1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Okay, you know the rules on this show Casey, I 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: do know the rules, and that is on our program. 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: I actually took this stance long before I was here 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: at WIBC. I refuse to say anything about someone in 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: death that I did not say about them in life, 6 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: because I think that makes you an absolutely complete hypocrite, 7 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: and I refused to do that to you, our very 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: valuable audience. So when somebody passes away of prominence of note, 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: we try to tell you what they did. 10 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 2: We offer an opinion on that. 11 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: Now, I'm not saying that we come on here and 12 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 1: we take victory laps or anything like that or anything inappropriate. 13 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: But I think would be a massive disservice when a 14 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: public figure passes away for us not to offer opinions 15 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: on the thing that person did which made them a 16 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: public figure. 17 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: So you're talking about former Vice President Dick Cheney passing away. 18 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 3: He was eighty four years old. It happened last night 19 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 3: due to complications from pneumonia, cardiac and vascular disease. 20 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 2: Now, I think it's fair. 21 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: That's a fair approach, right, Because some people get mad 22 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: at me, like, oh, you can't speak ill of the dead. 23 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: Well, if this person's name were Dick. 24 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: Smith, we wouldn't be talking about them or talking about 25 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: them because they did something that had When we talk about. 26 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 2: People who have passed away an. 27 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: Impact of some sort on society as a collective which 28 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: makes them worthy of using this valuable airtime to talk 29 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: about and it wouldn't it make us disingenuous or me? 30 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: You're very nice, but wouldn't it make me disingenuous or 31 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: a hypocrite after years of saying one thing that when 32 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: they pass away, to go, oh, I didn't mean any 33 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: of that. 34 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 2: It was all great, right, I mean, I don't think that. 35 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 2: I think that's I think you're doing the audience a disservice. 36 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you have to present both sides and 37 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 3: the reality. 38 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: With Dick Cheney as he is best known to the 39 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: public because he was vice president under George W. Bush, 40 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: and Dick Cheney was one of the leading advocates and 41 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: architects of a disastrous foreign policy that profoundly impacted my generation. 42 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: People I knew, people, I was friends with, people I 43 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: went to high school with. And I think it's pretty 44 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: hard and I'm not in any way impugning the service 45 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: or demeaning the service of the people who went their heroes, 46 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: the people who fought in Iraq in Afghanistan. Those people 47 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 1: have courage. The average person can't even begin to understand 48 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: or appreciate. We salute them, we thank them. They did 49 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,839 Speaker 1: nothing but what they were called to do. That being 50 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: said in the average person would have a hard time 51 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: looking at how Iraq or Afghanistan went or ended and go. 52 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: Dick Cheney really did society a great service by having 53 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: us go into those countries and stay there forever. 54 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 3: He was the key architect on the War on Terror, 55 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 3: and he did advocate for military action in Afghanistan and Iraq, 56 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 3: and he was a de facto president, really transforming the 57 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 3: vice presidency. 58 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: Sure, and Dick Cheney was phenomenally talented at spending other 59 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: people's money to send other people's kids to fight and 60 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: die in wars in which you saw no clear benefit 61 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: to the American people. However, it did enrich a lot 62 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: of people that Dick Cheney was very good friends with 63 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: and close political allies with. That's who got out great 64 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: out of the Bush Cheney years. The American economy collapsed. 65 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: We saw thousands of people come home in body bags. 66 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: We saw tens of thousands of people maimed and mentally destroyed. 67 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: But you know who got great were the military industrial complex. 68 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: That's who got great out of the Bush Cheney years. 69 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: And Dick Cheney was the leading advocate for that. So 70 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: I refuse if we're going to do some obituary on 71 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: Dick Cheney not to mention that that's what the guy 72 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,119 Speaker 1: is best known for, because a lot of my friends 73 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: came back very different people than what they went in as, 74 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: and they'll tell you to this day it doesn't seem 75 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: like we got a lot out of that. 76 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. So, Dick Cheney, he served as the White House 77 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: Chief of Staff under Ford. He spent a decade in 78 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 3: the House of Representatives. He was the Secretary of Defense 79 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: under H. W. Bush, and then he served as Vice 80 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 3: President under George W. 81 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: Bush, And he did play that. 82 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 3: Prominent role in shaping US foreign policy and also national security. 83 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 3: Promoted claims for a long time that Saddam Hussein possessed 84 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 3: weapons of mass destruction, which were later disproven. 85 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: Well, and not only were they disproven, it appears very 86 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: clear that the United States, I don't know if manipulated 87 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: is the correct word, but certainly looked with at best 88 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: rose colored glasses they had a desired result, and they 89 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: were going it was like, right, show me the man, 90 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: I'll show you the crime. They wanted to go into 91 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: Iraq and they were going to do whatever they could 92 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: to go into Iraq. 93 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 2: And so despite the fact. 94 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: That Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with nine to eleven, 95 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: while the Bush and Cheney administration remained friends with Saudi Arabia, 96 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: who absolutely had something to do with nine to eleven, 97 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: who absolutely those guys, many of them were from Saudi Arabia, 98 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: and they did nothing, nothing about Saudi Arabian. To this day, 99 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: our country remains allied with Saudi Arabia and they've had 100 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: zero punishment for their role in nine to eleven. They 101 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: did choose to go into this country for no clear 102 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: apparent reason, had nothing to do with the war on Terror. 103 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: They never found those nuclear weapons, and then once they 104 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: got rid of the guy, say whatever you want about 105 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: Saddam Hussein, certainly warranted. 106 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: But in that area of the world, strong. 107 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,119 Speaker 1: Men, as we found, based on the destabilization that happened 108 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: after Gaddafi et cetera, keep control of other bad actors 109 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: and basically hell on Earth God unleashed after they took 110 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: down Saddam Hussein. Because the US military are not professional babysitters. 111 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 3: He does leave a legacy that is deeply polarizing and 112 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 3: has changed over the years. Because I recall being home 113 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 3: on maternity leave right right after nine to eleven making 114 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 3: w shaped sugar cooking. Oh wow, you were that, Yes, yeah, sure, 115 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 3: and being very happy that Dick Cheney was in the 116 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 3: position that he was in. Now, with time, sure you 117 00:05:58,680 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 3: see a different sign. 118 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: And this is what these people do. They use, these 119 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: government officials do. They use fear, and they use intimidation 120 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: into getting you to believe or do whatever they want. 121 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 1: I mean, when you talk about Cheney, I think you 122 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: also cannot talk about while we're talking about this foreign 123 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: impact the US soldiers, the cost all of that. Domestically, 124 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: we are a much freer society than when Dick Cheney 125 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: and George W. 126 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 2: Bush took office. 127 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: Things like the Patriot Act, the massive expansion of government's 128 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: role in the airline industry. There's none of that that 129 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: you look at and go, we're all so much safer 130 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: because that was done. But yet we certainly have fewer 131 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: liberties and freedoms, much fewer liberties and freedoms. I remember 132 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: the one like the Patriot Act when people started kind 133 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: of getting wisest because you're right, Casey, you're totally spot on. 134 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: They did they being the Bush administration, Cheney and Bush 135 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: did a phenomenal job of basically saying you're only safe 136 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: because of us. You're lucky you're not in a mushroom 137 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: cloud right now. And one of the things they did 138 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: that was really rotten is they trying to ruin anybody 139 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: who spoke up and was like, I don't know, Soadame 140 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: Mussein really didn't have anything to do with nine to eleven, 141 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: isn't really threatening us, kind of just keeps to himself. 142 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: Bad guy totally does hainous things, totally. But if we're 143 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: going to take out every bad guy who does hainous 144 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: things in the Middle East, going to be a long endeavor, right, 145 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: And like the people like the Dixie Chicks got their 146 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: careers ruined for a period of time because they said 147 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: the thing that Americans mostly say now, which is that 148 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: Iraq War seemed like a very bad idea. 149 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 3: Well, it was used as an opportunity to get a 150 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 3: mission done that they wanted. 151 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: Sure, So I think the legacy of Dick Cheney and 152 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: then the guy could be. It was a complete ass 153 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: After he was out of elected office. He couldn't stand 154 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, which fine. 155 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 3: He initially endorsed Donald Trump in twenty sixteen, but then 156 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 3: later became quickly right critic. 157 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, so look, we don't sugarcoat it here. He certainly 158 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: served his country in the sense that he was a 159 00:07:54,240 --> 00:08:01,119 Speaker 1: US rep. You laid out his cabinet level countrys or 160 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: raising his hand to serve the country. He obviously served 161 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: as vice president. But we are not going to sugarcoat 162 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: it on this show about who this guy was, the 163 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: choices he made, that what appears to be the very 164 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: horrible choices he made in his elected and appointed life, 165 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: because that is why we're talking about him, because he 166 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: was in those positions and having lived through this and 167 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: see my friends live through this and come back with 168 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: the physical and mental ramifications of the decisions that he 169 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: and George W. Bush made, I refused to sugarcoat anything 170 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: about this guy well, and. 171 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 3: His legacy lived on through his daughter as well, Liz Cheney, 172 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 3: a prominent never Trumper who. 173 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: Was every bit the rotten son of a gun that 174 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: he was. 175 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: On steroids, right, I mean, sometimes I don't think there's 176 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: gonna be many people getting mad at me today about 177 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: my commentary on the Cheney's because I think most people, 178 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: certainly once the daughter got involved, wised up to who 179 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: they were and what they were doing. And I just 180 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: think people look at that and go, what a rurable 181 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: period of time for our country from which, and this 182 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: is the thing we have largely never recovered from the 183 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: certainly nine to eleven, which was the goal of nine 184 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: to eleven by that account, and I say this all 185 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: the time, and people get mad at me. By by 186 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: all accounts, for the terrorists, nine to eleven was a 187 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: resounding success. 188 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 2: Not because of the thing that they did. 189 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: That was they pulled that off, and they were very 190 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: happy about that, but their goal was to take down 191 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: the American way of life. And when you look at 192 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: all the liberties and freedoms that were evaporated because of 193 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: nine to eleven and the crippling financial effect it had 194 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 1: in terms of all the money that has been spent, 195 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: all the debt that has been added, all the delusion 196 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: of the dollar that's taken place over the past twenty 197 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: five years, I think those terrorists, if you'd have told 198 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: them what the outcome was going to be, would have 199 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: said to them, mission accomplished. 200 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 3: Dick Cheney, a longtime Republican, ended his life ended in 201 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 3: a rift with the Republican Party. I mean, he endorsed 202 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 3: Kamala Harris in the last election, and that should. 203 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 1: Tell you everything you need to know about the guy, 204 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: about what a petty, rotten dude he was. So we 205 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: give you a little different take on this show. But 206 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: we believe in being honest with you, and we believe 207 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: that we would be total hypocrites if we didn't tell 208 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: you in death what we thought of them in life. 209 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: And so it's impossible for me not to mention those 210 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: things when we talk about the death of Dick Cheney, 211 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: because that's why he was a prominent person, the decisions 212 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: he made.