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Speaker 1: Brandy Gordon was on the call last night.

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Speaker 2: Of course, no stranger to the Indianapolis audience, was on

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Speaker 2: the call last night on Peacock for Purdue and Michigan State.

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Speaker 2: The Spartan's getting a tight one over the Boilers. And

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Speaker 2: when Brandon is not putting together his own one shining

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Speaker 2: Moment video from his apartment, he joins us on the program, Brandon,

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Speaker 2: how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm good man, it's been a while.

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Speaker 4: How you doing.

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Speaker 2: You know what, no complaints, man, It's that time of

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Speaker 2: year right where I don't care where you are, and

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Speaker 2: I know that if I'm not mistaken, at least the

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Speaker 2: last time that we talked, Brandon, you were living in

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Speaker 2: warmer climate than Indianapolis. But you can start to feel

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Speaker 2: spring in the air, and that means that you start

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Speaker 2: thinking about March Madness a little bit. And you saw

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Speaker 2: two teams last night between Michigan State and Purdue that

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Speaker 2: have expectation for certain when it comes to that tournament.

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Speaker 2: But let's begin with the Purdue side of things. I

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Speaker 2: think that we thought we would see And it feels

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Speaker 2: losses and has been ranked in the top ten or

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Speaker 2: fifteen for the majority of the season. But it feels

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Speaker 2: like there's just one cylinder that's misfiring for them, and

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Speaker 2: I can't necessarily pinpoint what it is.

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Speaker 1: Am I wrong?

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Speaker 3: No, I think you're right. There's just that times feel,

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Speaker 3: is lacking. Now, I'm not just saying this to kind

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Speaker 3: of backtrack and save face. Do I still think this

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Speaker 3: is a team that can make the Final four? Absolutely? Now,

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying they will, but can they of course?

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Speaker 3: But I just don't know that this is a team

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Speaker 3: be at the start of the season. For all of

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Speaker 3: Braden Smith's amazing qualities, I don't know if they have

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Speaker 3: that guy right now that, in a tight game like

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Speaker 3: last night, with ninety seconds to go, fulls the huddle

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Speaker 3: together and says, let's go this is pretty basketball, this

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Speaker 3: is our home court.

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Speaker 1: Let's get this done now.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they do. It just seems like we don't see

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Speaker 3: it out there on the court. And I'm not saying

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Speaker 3: Braden Smith's not a leader. Matt Painter says he's a leader.

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Speaker 3: But I saw Jeremy Fears last night for Michigan State

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Speaker 3: we're winning this basketball game. Could you could kind of

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Speaker 3: see that That's what he was saying across the court.

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Speaker 3: And again, I'm not sitting here saying Jeremy Fears's is

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Speaker 3: the better point guard.

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Speaker 1: He's not.

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Speaker 3: Braiden Smith's unbelievable. But I just wonder at times if

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Speaker 3: put up or shut up. And that remains to be seen.

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Speaker 3: Last night, obviously, Michigan State was able to get it done.

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Speaker 3: I still believe in Purdue, and I think Matt Painter's

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Speaker 3: as good a coach as there is in America. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think we're all kind of asking that same question

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Speaker 1: Brandon.

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Speaker 2: One of the things you know, you see, if you

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Speaker 2: the last we'll say five years, how many college teams

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Speaker 2: Just gosh, just spitball a number one hundred and fifty.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean in person doing live game seventy five.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so seventy five still a lot, right.

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Speaker 2: I would imagine that what you see with Purdue is

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Speaker 2: that at some point though, Brandon, is there the possibility

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Speaker 3: At the same time, that's an interesting thought. I don't

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying the players shouldn't be paid. I'm

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Speaker 3: these guys have gotten, like a Braden Smith, does he

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Speaker 3: But does it change the dynamic in a locker room

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Speaker 3: Purdue does have that, but I just don't know what

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Speaker 3: that again, that nil era, that money that's being paid,

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Speaker 3: still too early in this new world of college basketball

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Speaker 2: And you know, Brandon, the reality is you also in

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Speaker 2: today's world, and Purdue has done a remarkable job of

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Speaker 2: also when you add pieces in, that takes a rejail process.

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Speaker 2: But let's get to what Michigan State last night. When

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Speaker 2: that more about what Michigan State did execute what Purdue

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Speaker 3: I think it was more about what Michigan States did.

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Speaker 3: And really, you know, Jeremy Fear's statline didn't blow you away.

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Speaker 3: I think he had twelve points and six assists. But

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Speaker 3: I and Tom Izzo said this after on our broadcast.

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Speaker 3: He controlled the game. He really did. When the ball

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Speaker 3: I look, I think Michigan State is a strange team.

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Speaker 3: A lot of time ZZ those teams, you know, they

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Speaker 3: don't win pretty. It's never really been his identity. They defend,

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Speaker 3: their games just feel like root canals. They're just going

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Speaker 3: and that's what they did last night. It's a team

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Speaker 3: them making a deep run. They certainly have the pieces.

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Speaker 3: They don't hit a lot of threes, but because they've

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Speaker 3: Fletcher Lawyer, and I know everyone has opinions on Fletcher Lawyer,

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Speaker 3: and you look at his game by game, and one

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Speaker 2: A two part question to wrap it all here, Brandon,

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Speaker 2: would be this, I'd like to know the team that

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Speaker 2: So I'm not saying this, you know, it would be

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Speaker 2: I guess just overall the team that you saw and

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Speaker 2: They are so mega talented they're going to be in

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Speaker 3: I think I'll start with the ladder, and I think

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Speaker 3: it's Michigan.

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Speaker 1: I just think Michigan is.

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Speaker 3: So darn good the way that they were winning games early,

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Speaker 3: seen at times that they have weaknesses and can get exposed. Yes,

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Speaker 3: But to me, top to bottom, the highest ceiling belongs

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Speaker 2: think it was after the helmet have you had sent

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00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,919
Speaker 2: out the tweet announcing that the Colts were, you know,

436
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 2: removing him from the starting position. And I remember at

437
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 2: that time sending a tweet and I was probably premature

438
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 2: that said it's over, because to me at that point

439
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 2: that it was over.

440
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:17,880
Speaker 1: They were done.

441
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 2: And I think he did get more opportunity beyond that.

442
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 2: But do you think the Colts were almost out on

443
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 2: him even before they officially, you know, due to the injury,

444
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,639
Speaker 2: had him on the sideline.

445
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think to tap out definitely was a huge,

446
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:43,199
Speaker 4: huge point. You know, I would point if there was

447
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 4: any last hope, you know that uh, that Baltimore game

448
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,119
Speaker 4: in the preseason, you know, this past year when you know,

449
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 4: he misidentifies the blitzer off the edge and boom he

450
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 4: sacked and suffers the finger injury. And yeah, albeat just

451
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 4: in the preseason. But here he is getting hurt again.

452
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 4: Here he is you know, probably more import for the

453
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,679
Speaker 4: sake of like evaluating the football player him misidentifying a

454
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 4: preseason pressure. Uh, you know that would be probably another time.

455
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 4: So and then really just I mean, obviously the orbital

456
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 4: fracture was the ultimate nail, the costing because you know,

457
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 4: if you play this this twenty twenty five season, out

458
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 4: in the manner that we just watched it and the

459
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 4: only thing you change is a resistance band doesn't snap

460
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 4: and hit him in the eye. Well, then he gets well,

461
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 4: I don't know if he stays healthy, but he's your

462
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 4: starting quarterback for the final four games of the season,

463
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Speaker 4: So you know, could you imagine you know, him A

464
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 4: getting that sample size B. Let's just say he looked

465
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 4: like Riley Leonard in those four starts, Like if he

466
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 4: just showed you know, you would say Leonard, what but

467
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 4: B effort? You know, B plus I. I don't know

468
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 4: how you want to grade him if you would have

469
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 4: said that about Richardson. You know, in that amount of

470
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Speaker 4: playing time, are we getting to what we have got

471
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Speaker 4: to right now with the trader request and seemingly the

472
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 4: marriage being over with, or would there be a little

473
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 4: bit more of a well, you know, if Daniel Jones

474
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 4: isn't going to recover fully by September you know, tenth,

475
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 4: then you know, maybe we do start Anthony for the

476
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 4: first few games of the season. If Daniel's gonna look

477
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 4: like he did with a fibula in terms of a movement,

478
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 4: you know, type of quarterback or lack thereof, for the

479
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 4: first month of the season. But yeah, you go back

480
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 4: to the tap out, you know, and if you think

481
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,120
Speaker 4: about that game in general, I know, he really struggled

482
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 4: throwing it early in terms of a completion. I think

483
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 4: there were some drops there, but he had the huge

484
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 4: pick six right before half as well. In that game.

485
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 4: You know, he actually came back and he had probably

486
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 4: his finest moments as a pro post Benching, to come

487
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 4: back in New York, to come back against New England.

488
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 4: I mean, those who are fourth quarter dare I say

489
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 4: clutch drives, clutch moments from Richardson. But then again, he's

490
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 4: got the game in Denver and then he suffers that

491
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 4: back injury, which is probably not one we talk about

492
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 4: that much, but you know, he had the back to

493
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 4: end I guess that would be the twenty fourth season,

494
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 4: which once again took him out off the field, and

495
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 4: the ability to have a couple of starts there at

496
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 4: the end of that season. But yeah, I mean hindsight,

497
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 4: of course, very twenty twenty. But yeah, you were very

498
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 4: spot on with that.

499
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Speaker 2: I feel the more that I've thought about it, Kevin,

500
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: and I'm not absolving Anthony Richardson a blame here. Okay,

501
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 2: maybe some of the learning points or the lights, you know,

502
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 2: saying with the neon lights saying hey, you know, start

503
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 2: learning here never clicked.

504
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 1: On as they should.

505
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 2: But I think the Colts are as much to blame

506
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 2: for the failure of the Anthony Richardson saga as anyone,

507
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 2: because they simply spoiled and coddled him too early and

508
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 2: didn't recognize that he was someone that was going to

509
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 2: need to be pushed early. They didn't decide to push

510
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 2: him and make him start working for it until it

511
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: was too late.

512
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Speaker 4: Your thoughts, Yeah, I think when you slice up the pie,

513
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 4: you can, hell, you get make argument. You could evenly

514
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 4: spice it out to scouting, coaching and player, you know,

515
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 4: the player we've kind of gone over. I think there

516
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 4: was a clear kind of lack of lack of general

517
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 4: maturity in regards to, you know, again what it means

518
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 4: to play quarterback in the NFL, you know, coaching wise,

519
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 4: I think some of it that also falls into the

520
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 4: coaching boat. But again, handed him the starting keys as

521
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,959
Speaker 4: early as you did. I mean, hell, they named him

522
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 4: a captain before he had ever played in the NFL.

523
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 4: I mean, if you really have questions about you know,

524
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 4: some of these leadership, whatever qualities, work ethic. You know,

525
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 4: you hear all these coaches talk so high and mighty

526
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 4: about you know, the letter C on your chests and

527
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 4: all that. Well, that seems to be a bit of

528
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 4: a misrepresentation of it. And then I go back to scouting,

529
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 4: because you know, whether you thought the accuracy could have

530
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 4: been corrected, whether you thought the maturity was higher than

531
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 4: it really was, there was clearly a misevaluation in that.

532
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 4: And this is where the draft process gets it difficult.

533
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 4: But it also is something to where you know, you

534
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 4: had reached a point in time as a franchise where

535
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 4: you had you had to draft a quarterback, like I mean,

536
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 4: you had tried the band aid thing and you had

537
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 4: failed at it so frequently that you know you're in

538
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 4: a position to draft the young quarterback. So you know,

539
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 4: I think if your Jim mersay, if you're you know,

540
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 4: Chris Ballard in that instance, you said your scouting department,

541
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 4: all right, let's look at these four guys, because at

542
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 4: the time there were generally four being discussed, Bryce Young, CJ. Strout,

543
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson, Will Levis, and then you rank those four obviously,

544
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 4: and then you sitting there with the fourth overall pick.

545
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 4: You have to decide, all right, how do we rank them?

546
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 4: Are we content with getting the the the third of

547
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 4: the fourth or in this position, they were actually content

548
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 4: with getting the fourth of the fourth. You know, they

549
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 4: didn't trade up to number three, which ended up actually

550
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:06,239
Speaker 4: being Houston trading back up there. And because Chicago, you know,

551
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 4: clearly was open for business. You know they have the

552
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 4: number one overall pick originally in Carolina. Of course, you

553
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 4: know comes straight up to get Bryce Young. So you

554
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 4: know that is a point in time as the franchise

555
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 4: where again, scouting wise, I think you have to look

556
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 4: at and say, okay, yes there are these four quarterbacks,

557
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 4: but there's a huge drop off after the first one

558
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 4: or the first two in the instance, looking back on

559
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 4: the class, that's kind of what it looks like. There's

560
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 4: a huge drop offs after the first two, and so

561
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 4: trading up will be it expensive, clearly was necessary when

562
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 4: you look back on that twenty twenty three draft.

563
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 2: Class, Kevin the the combine itself this week, did you

564
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: get a gauge? And maybe we'll never know this, do

565
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 2: you believe that Bernanda Mendoza is going to be the

566
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: number one pick to the Raiders because he has clearly

567
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 2: thought of as the best player in this draft and

568
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: a generational quarterback, which is what you want when you're

569
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: taking one number one overall. Or is it simply that

570
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: the Raiders are on the clock and need a quarterback

571
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: and Mendoza is the one first round worthy quarterback in

572
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 2: this draft, and so it's the perfect storm for Mendoza.

573
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: It's funny that you bring that up.

574
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 4: I've heard you asked this, I think of a guest

575
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 4: or two, and it actually kind of spurred a little

576
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 4: bit of a conversation we had this week with some

577
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 4: of the draft people. We had on So we had

578
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 4: Dane Bugler, as I mentioned, from The Athletic on Wednesday.

579
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 4: We had Field Yates from ESPN on today, or I

580
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 4: guess we had Bugler on Thursday, and then we had

581
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 4: Field Yates on today. So I go back to Dan

582
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 4: Bugler's conversation with us. He thinks if arch Manning was

583
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 4: in this draft class, there would be a very legit

584
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 4: debate on who would go number one overall. And then

585
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 4: we had Field Yates on today and Field says something

586
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 4: to the effect of Mendoza's the biggest slam dump to

587
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 4: go number one overall in probably over a decade, and

588
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 4: I think he actually went back maybe to that Luck

589
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 4: diraft there. But again, even then with RT three's presence,

590
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 4: maybe you debated that a little bit more So. I

591
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 4: think it's interesting because you know, obviously in this year's

592
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 4: draft class without Arch Manning, there's a clear, clear drought

593
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 4: from one to two. I think Mendoza's a really really nice,

594
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 4: you know, whatever number one quarterback in a class. You know,

595
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 4: do I think he's whatever Burrow or Luck or you know,

596
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 4: even Lawrence to a No, I don't think he's that.

597
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 4: And you know when you look at Arch, you know,

598
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 4: yes he had a nice end of the season, but

599
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 4: obviously he did not live up to the year one

600
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 4: hyps that a lot of people thought.

601
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: Is Arch Manning in that discussion of his name, is

602
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: Arch Bowen?

603
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Damus pretty honest is saying probably not.

604
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 4: But you know, you're you're probably gonna bet on.

605
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: You know, I get it again for a reason.

606
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's kind of a fascinating hypothetical to think about.

607
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 4: You know, if you look at the years that two

608
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 4: just had, I mean, they don't even you know, pale

609
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 4: in comparison to each other. And this is the difficulty

610
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 4: of the giraffe. I mean, just look at I mean,

611
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 4: you know the Heisman Trophy more than anybody in terms

612
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 4: of the history of it. I mean, how many Heisman

613
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 4: Trophy quarterbacks just gone on to have just nothing burgers

614
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 4: in terms of their NFL careers. You know, it's just

615
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 4: kind of wild. And I do think Mendoza, while the

616
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 4: offensive line probably has some questions, I might everything he

617
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 4: walks into it actually a decent spot. Yes, it's a

618
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 4: tough division, but you're giving them a top ten, pick

619
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 4: a top fifteen, pick a tight end, and you know,

620
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 4: an offen to bind the head coach that you know,

621
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 4: just helped throw the Rex Sam Arnold's career, So you know,

622
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 4: that's a nice place to start. I get it's the

623
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 4: Raiders and there's a negative connotation that comes with that,

624
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,959
Speaker 4: but you know, I do think there are a lot

625
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 4: of promising elements to what he's walking into around him offensively, you.

626
00:30:54,240 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: Know, the Kevin Mendoza in the way that it's interesting.

627
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: I see Mendoza's ceiling is like Jared Goff, and I

628
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: don't say that because they both played at cal Right

629
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: and I see the floor for him as like a

630
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins and but Mendoza and I don't mean to

631
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: sound too overly like X's and o's guy here, but

632
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: you tell me if I miss reading this Mendoza and

633
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 2: the way that Indiana offense went, the way that offense ran.

634
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: The thing to me that was so impressive was how

635
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: quickly he could get the ball out. But for that reason,

636
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: I wonder, or I worry if he never had to

637
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: go through the depth of read or progression and the

638
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: amount of time that he will have to in the NFL.

639
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: Is that me simply like listening to way too much

640
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: analytical speak.

641
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 4: No, I mean I think you're probably, you know, deep

642
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 4: into the Hey, let's evaluate for Nando Mendoza, raiders scouts

643
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 4: and you know, after heaping praise on him for twenty minutes,

644
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 4: then now it's time to talk about the you know,

645
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 4: one or two minute questions. You do have them. I mean,

646
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 4: we didn't see it a lot at Indiana, but I

647
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 4: do think when there was some duress around him, you know,

648
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 4: like ninety nine point nine percent of quarterbacks, obviously there

649
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 4: were some questions. You know, certainly the National title game

650
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Speaker 4: was not a banner game for him throwing the football,

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Speaker 4: you know, and you know, he obviously made some big

652
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Speaker 4: plays in the fourth quarter and some of that was

653
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Speaker 4: with his legs and that's part of playing quarterback as well.

654
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Speaker 4: But you know, that would be a question again, going

655
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Speaker 4: back to what I was saying about raiders off atsive line,

656
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 4: you obviously have some concern there. And you know, when

657
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 4: you're in a division and you look at the Broncos

658
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 4: pass rush, and you look at the Chargers pass rush,

659
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Speaker 4: and you look at even what Kansas City has produced

660
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Speaker 4: at times, you know that will be a definite question

661
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 4: for him of it's not as clean around him. And

662
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 4: the advantages that Indiana walked into clearly quite often in

663
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Speaker 4: his one year there, you know that's obviously not going

664
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Speaker 4: to be the case at an NFL level. So yeah,

665
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 4: those gonna be probably some of the questions that you do.

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Speaker 1: Have, Kevin. Lastly, I'm curious, did you go up?

667
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: I know Caleb from here went up to go see

668
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Speaker 2: Notre Dame and Duke in South Bend.

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Speaker 1: Did you go.

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Speaker 4: No, just a bummer to miss that one. Really really

671
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 4: ashamed not to be there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Chris Howard and Change styke In were late talkers on Tuesday,

674
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 4: or else I would have been their front center.

675
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Speaker 1: Could have left early and beat traffic.

676
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, and indeed, yeah, a little different than great

677
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 4: Rake Shaw and I staying for double overtime. I'll never

678
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 4: forget the look on Rake's face when the horn went

679
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 4: off to indicate a second overtime, and I felt like,

680
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Speaker 4: I don't know if I've asked anyone this in my

681
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 4: life since my parents at a young age. And I

682
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 4: had to look at Rake and say, do you think

683
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 4: we could stay for one more? And you know, great

684
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 4: looks at his thirty six year old stepson and very

685
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 4: very reluctantly said.

686
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Speaker 2: Yes, Hey, Kevin, I'm lastly, you know, with the and

687
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: great work at the Combine all week obviously, and I

688
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 2: know that the combine carries over to the weekend and

689
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: then you're gonna be out there doing those things. But

690
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: you know, I'm curious for me personally, the day or

691
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 2: the week after the Indy five hundred is a combination

692
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: of a deep breath but also kind of like this

693
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 2: letdown because it's just been this energy ride of you

694
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 2: know what I mean, adrenaline for like ten straight days.

695
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: Do you feel the same when the combine leaves.

696
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Speaker 4: No, I mean I like the combine more than a

697
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 4: lot of others in our media industry. But yeah, I'm

698
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 4: not going to compare one second to the to the

699
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 4: month of May, and and what's the electure. I look

700
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Speaker 4: at the combine and the weather speaking to me today.

701
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 4: I just look at it as it's one step closer

702
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 4: to spring, and it's one step closer to us not

703
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 4: having to debate the same things we've debated for the

704
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Speaker 4: last month. I mean, that's and I mean I'm being

705
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 4: totally honest with it of like, Okay, here's the combine.

706
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 4: Oh wow, next week, Oh, franchise tag deadlines too. Oh,

707
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 4: the next week it's freegency. Oh wow, the next week's

708
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 4: March madness. It's like, let's go.

709
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 3: Oh.

710
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 4: Two weeks later is the Masters? Oh now the NFL Draft,

711
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 4: like and then it's a month of May. I mean,

712
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 4: I feel and the PACER's unfortunate situation are is contributing

713
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 4: to it at least for me, Like I'm just ready

714
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 4: to kind of start getting things into a little bit

715
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 4: more real gear, if you will, like again actual answers, So.

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Speaker 2: Kevin, I'm telling you though, man, last night and last

717
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: night I'm at the game and.

718
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: It amazes me.

719
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Speaker 2: At one point I looked up, it's mid fourth, They're

720
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 2: down twenty eight, and no one had left. There had

721
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 2: to be seventeen thousand people there last night. It's crazy.

722
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I felt that way, and I was, I

723
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Speaker 4: don't know, May Sunday was more of kind of a

724
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Speaker 4: kid to night because it was a five o'clock tip,

725
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 4: But you know, it felt like Sunday's crowd was kind

726
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 4: of like that as well.

727
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't.

728
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 4: Think we're in I don't know. I don't think everyone's

729
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 4: there for LaMelo ball A, Brandon Miller, and Tom Kinnipple,

730
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 4: although with how they played last night, and I can see why. Yeah,

731
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 4: I mean, the crowds continue to be great for him,

732
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Speaker 4: and I would assume, you know, Sunday would be similar

733
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Speaker 4: for him.

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Speaker 1: All right, Kevin enjoy the weekend.

735
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Speaker 2: We will continue to look for the coverage and be

736
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: listening next week as well on the Fan Morning Show

737
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: seven until ten each and every morning with James Boyd,

738
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: Jeff Ricker and Kevin bow And appreciate.

739
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Speaker 1: It, Kevin, guys seeing it.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Bowen joining us on the program, joining us now

741
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 2: on the program. He is on the Java House Colbrew

742
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Speaker 2: Coffee guest Line and get a reminder. Download the Java

743
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746
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747
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Speaker 2: percent off of your order when you are there. Ralphrief

748
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: joining us on the program. Ralph, I wanted to begin

749
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 2: with this, and I'm I'm warning you. Okay, I'm warning you,

750
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: and you can feel free. You and I have known

751
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: each other for a while now, and you've always been

752
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: candid and honest, which is appreciated. I'm gonna ask you

753
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 2: a question in this conversation that I'm fully prepared for

754
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 2: you to tell me is not only the dumbest question

755
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: that you've ever been asked, but the dumbest question that

756
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: I've ever asked in this illustrious career. Okay, so I'm

757
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: warning you right now that ahead of time, but I

758
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: wanted to get your thoughts on this. We have seen

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00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 2: now two players in the NBA, one being Dejonte Murray

760
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: in New Orleans, who is a similar style of play

761
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: of Tyre's Halibert. Now he had an achilles injury in

762
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Speaker 2: January of last year, so some thirteen months ago, and

763
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Speaker 2: he has now returned to full competition. And then you

764
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Speaker 2: have Jason Tatum and Boston that had his at the

765
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Speaker 2: end of or when was Tatum's injury exactly, Eddie, wasn't it?

766
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Speaker 1: It's probably like a month before Tyrese.

767
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Speaker 2: Okay, and he has now returned to some simulations of

768
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: five on five. That gives me hope and optimism. But

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Speaker 2: I'm curious from your standpoint, can we even read into

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Speaker 2: that or is it literally every case is different.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's good to be with you, Jake, and and yes,

772
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 5: certainly every case is different, like fingerprints, people's biology and

773
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 5: everything else is a little bit different. However, you can

774
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 5: certainly map what's going on with Murray with New Orleans

775
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 5: and and Tatum with the Celtics to say, hey, Tyrese

776
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 5: should really be in a good position from a basketball

777
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 5: readiness by the time camp opens in the in the

778
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Speaker 5: in the early fall. So yeah, thirteen months for Tyrese

779
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 5: would be the end of July, and so I think

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Speaker 5: he all things indicate that he'll he'll be in that

781
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 5: team same time frame as Murray.

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Speaker 2: When the achilles I'm assuming Ralph Ralph Reed. By the way,

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Speaker 2: my guest executive Reef Executive Performance Solutions is the company

784
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Speaker 2: Ralph Reef dot com. That's R E I F F

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Speaker 2: Ralph Reef dot com, Ralph. The the Achilles is. You know,

786
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: we've seen more of these lately, it would seem maybe

787
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: we're just more in tune to it. But it is

788
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 2: such an important It goes without saying ligament or tendon

789
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 2: if you will, in the back of one's foot. Once

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Speaker 2: it heals, is there is there risk of again complication

791
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: or does it heal even stronger if you will? Does

792
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: that make sense what I'm asking?

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00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, it does. And the structure itself when it heals back,

794
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 5: the body has a tendency to over heal or overcompensate.

795
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 5: So so the area of the of the ligament if

796
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 5: it becomes somewhat thicker, and and that doesn't necessarily mean

797
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 5: it's stronger, because a lot of that sickness comes from

798
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Speaker 5: scar tissue that really doesn't add anything from a performance standpoint.

799
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Speaker 5: It's just extra layers of glue. And so yeah, it

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Speaker 5: does come back or grow back stronger from the standpoint

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Speaker 5: of the amount of tissue that's there.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now, I'm going to brace myself. Here are you

803
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Speaker 2: sitting down, Ralph? Just out of curiosity?

804
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Speaker 5: I am.

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Speaker 1: You're not driving a car right now?

806
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Speaker 5: Are you no good in a safe position?

807
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Speaker 2: You might want to go straight into a bridge abutment?

808
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Speaker 2: When I asked this one, okay, So I was when

809
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Speaker 2: I turned fifty. You know, I get the notification from whoever. Hey,

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Speaker 2: you know it's time to think about the get your

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Speaker 2: shot for the shingles vaccine. And I oh, okay, And

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Speaker 2: I think I've I had heard of shingles maybe once

813
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Speaker 2: or twice or whatever else. And then I became more

814
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Speaker 2: familiar with that because it's kind of on the radar.

815
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Speaker 2: And what I know is this, and my understanding would

816
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: be vague at best, but my understanding is that shingles,

817
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Speaker 2: which is the same virus that creates the chicken pox,

818
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Speaker 2: that when you get shingles, it attacks different nerves within

819
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Speaker 2: one's body and therefore it is very, very painful. And

820
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Speaker 2: so I thought, okay, And then I read that Tyrese

821
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Speaker 2: Haliburton has shingles, and I immediately thought to myself, if

822
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Speaker 2: this is an illness that compromises and or in my mind,

823
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 2: attacks nerve endings, does that mean that it also finds

824
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Speaker 2: some sort of vulnerability in areas that are trying to

825
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Speaker 2: repair itself, and because they're bad guys, they go after

826
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Speaker 2: that as well. So my question became, does Tyrese Haliburton

827
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Speaker 2: having shingles in any way potentially negatively impact the timeline

828
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Speaker 2: of his body being able to repair his achilles? And

829
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Speaker 2: I thought I should ask Ralph that except for that

830
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Speaker 2: one's attendant and then we're talking about nerves, and now

831
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Speaker 2: I look like an idiot.

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Speaker 5: Well, your question to me just indicates that you have

833
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Speaker 5: a very active brain.

834
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Speaker 2: Can I write this down as an official diagnosis?

835
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Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 1: BAB, I suffer from BAB. Very active brain, Yes.

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Speaker 5: Very active brain sitting around thinking what all could go

838
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Speaker 5: on in sports? Well, so the easy answer is we

839
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Speaker 5: we in the United States don't get too wound up

840
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Speaker 5: about illness. You know, everything gets caught up in the muscular,

841
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 5: skeletal or concussions when it comes to sports injuries. And

842
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 5: we can map out, as we've done on this segment

843
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,959
Speaker 5: since August, we can map out all kinds of protocols

844
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Speaker 5: and timelines and so forth. But illness, we just don't

845
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Speaker 5: talk about this unless it's a COVID pandemic or something

846
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 5: of that nature, or or when your your face of

847
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 5: your franchise has shingles and he's twenty five years old.

848
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Speaker 5: The average age, as you mentioned, at age fifty is

849
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Speaker 5: when the Center for Disease Control and the World Health

850
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Speaker 5: Organization everybody says that we should prevent shingles with with

851
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Speaker 5: some type of antibodies and so forth, and so this

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00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 5: is this is unusual, but not crazy rare the shingles element.

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Speaker 5: Does it take away from his rehabilitation? Absolutely, one hundred percent.

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00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 5: I can't imagine he's doing much right now and just

855
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 5: trying to manage pain. And any listeners out there who've

856
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 5: had shingles or somebody that they know has had shingles,

857
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 5: it's extremely unpleasant. And so does it take away from

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Speaker 5: the timeline? I, in my opinion, yes it does.

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Speaker 1: Jake, Okay, does it? I'm gonna use it. I hate

860
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Speaker 1: to use this word, Ralph.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, Ralph, let me begin by saying,

862
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Speaker 2: selfishly speaking, thank you for saying that that's not the

863
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,959
Speaker 2: dumbest question that I've ever asked on the radio, because

864
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Speaker 2: I've asked some whoppers in my day. So I'm just

865
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: going to chalk it up to very active brain.

866
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, but there you go.

867
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: But so I'm curious though when you say that it

868
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: could impact him, because obviously it is taking you know,

869
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 2: in other words, he's been studying for a geometry exam

870
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: now for ten months and then all of a sudden,

871
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: without knowing it, boom, he gets hit with an English assignment,

872
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: and so that takes away from what he can study

873
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: in geometry. But is there any possibility that the virus

874
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: itself would immediately recognize, oh wow, here we have a

875
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 2: we have a tendon that's not one hundred percent. Let's

876
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: go and see if we can't move in there as

877
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 2: well and become dwellers within that tendon.

878
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: That's not going to be the case, correct, Now, this.

879
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 5: Is going to stay within the nervous system, and it

880
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 5: primarily stays the virus stays pretty close to the spinal column,

881
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 5: and most of the inflammation that people get with shingles

882
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 5: is through a nerve route or an area that comes

883
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 5: out of the spine, and so his achilles should not

884
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 5: be affected by this, you know, the virus extending to

885
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 5: that area and creating some type of internal infection or

886
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 5: something of that nature. That that is not a possibility.

887
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 5: What what it does though, is you know sort of

888
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 5: think of, hey, I'm doing fine and and all of

889
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 5: a sudden, I've got I've got flu and man, I

890
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 5: just don't have much energy. And so that's the way

891
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 5: his body is right now, is everything's been focused on

892
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 5: the Achilles tendon and and now the body, the biology

893
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 5: of the body has to really divert the energies back

894
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 5: to the shingles and what it really sets back. And

895
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 5: there's always two ways of looking at this. And I

896
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 5: have no idea of his daily routine, but I have

897
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 5: to imagine because of where he is as an athlete,

898
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 5: he's probably been very, very aggressive, very compliant, but very

899
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 5: active in activity. So one thing to think about this,

900
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,879
Speaker 5: you know, sort of a silver lining could be that

901
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 5: he's forced to take some rest. And that's that's one

902
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 5: way of looking at this. But I think I think

903
00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 5: there's more downside to this setback, uh than there is upside.

904
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 5: And you know, there's I said this is it's rare,

905
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 5: but it's not unheard of. There's the factors of why

906
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 5: why does something like this happen? And it's not just well,

907
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 5: let's just toss it away as a childhood infection that

908
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 5: was laying dormant, and it just he just rolled the

909
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 5: bad luck roulette wheel. Stress is a big deal in

910
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 5: this and that's why during COVID there are extraordinarily high

911
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 5: number of cases of shingles during COVID because people were worried.

912
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 5: You know, you get COVID and you wonder if you're

913
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 5: going to live, and so there's an amount of stress,

914
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 5: mental stress that goes along with this. And I have

915
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 5: a that's what all the indications would say is that

916
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 5: here's a guy who's been away from his team. You know,

917
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 5: they haven't won much this year. You know, he could

918
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 5: just be carrying that stress mentally at a low level,

919
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 5: even though gosh, he's an outgoing, smiling kind of guy

920
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 5: and a great bench guy from my observation. But you know,

921
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 5: the secrets that we all keep right about what our

922
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 5: mental state of mind is, and so those kinds of things.

923
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 5: One way of looking at this, those of us in

924
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 5: healthcare would say, is this a red flag that this

925
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 5: particular athlete is not handling this as well as the

926
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 5: Albert appearance might tell all of us. And so something

927
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 5: from a stress standpoint triggered the reactivation of this virus,

928
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 5: and those are the things that a healthcare team would

929
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 5: look at to just make sure they can try to

930
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 5: take care of it so it doesn't reoccur over the

931
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 5: course of his career.

932
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 2: And that was the other question I had, and I

933
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 2: realized that you're, you know, an athletic skeletal trainer, not

934
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 2: necessarily an epidemiologist per se. But when one has shingles

935
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 2: and thenally their body wards it off, are you done

936
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 2: then with it? Or does it just go back to

937
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: dormancy until it decides to come out and play again.

938
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 5: From my understanding of it, it's one of those things

939
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 5: that it's a neighbor that just stays there and you

940
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 5: don't know when they're going to open the door and

941
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 5: walk out, and so it's lazy dormancy.

942
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: You know.

943
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 2: I've actually had several people out next door to that

944
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 2: felt that way about me. To be honest with you,

945
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: it's my very active brain that comes into play, right.

946
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 2: They just never know what I'm going to pop in.

947
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: That's where things go right. Ralph appreciate the time as always.

948
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: You're headed down for watching a little racing this weekend,

949
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 2: are you not.

950
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, heading to Saint Pete, IndyCar here we go.

951
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 2: I love it all right, Well listen, enjoy the race.

952
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 2: There we go, Eddie, Yes, all right, that'll be here

953
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: before we know We walked along Pitt Roads before we

954
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 2: know it out at sixteenth to Georgetown. Ralph, appreciate the

955
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: time and perspective as always. Yes, Eddie, Ralph, have.

956
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 6: A quick question before you actually have you ever contributed

957
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 6: to the medical testing got the combine? Because I've always

958
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 6: been fascinated with this because one of the big sticking

959
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 6: points that we always hear about is the benefit of

960
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 6: Indianapolis as well. They have this uncanny ability to get

961
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 6: these medical testing results turned over to prospects, to scouts, teams,

962
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 6: et cetera within such a time, aman A.

963
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: Have you ever been a part of it in b

964
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: if not? How do they go about it so quickly?

965
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was a part of it one year when

966
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 5: I was at Butler before my Saint Vincent Day's And

967
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 5: it's an extraordinary symphony of a lot of characters. They

968
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 5: use MRIs all over the region and imaging and so forth,

969
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 5: but it's truly the folks that at IU Health that

970
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 5: really drive this machine. And there there it's a commitment

971
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 5: all the way up to the CEO to make sure

972
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 5: that that equipment is available and the quick turnarounds the

973
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 5: data that's involved. You just think of the massive transfer

974
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 5: of data and information and getting people from point A

975
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 5: to point B and running those machines around the clock.

976
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 5: It's an extraordinarily well oiled machine. To overuse that cliche,

977
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 5: but that's over and over again. Everybody within the healthcare

978
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 5: community in all sports just sort of marvels at what

979
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 5: Indianapolis's medical community. And again, I You Health is really

980
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 5: the center of the heartbeat of that whole operation.

981
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 2: And you know, Ralph, I've asked this before, but because

982
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 2: of all of the variety of different outstanding health groups

983
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 2: that we have in central Indiana, right, I mean we

984
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 2: obviously I can speak to the level of care that

985
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 2: Franciscan Health provides. We work with them very closely. Do

986
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 2: you have ascension I you Health. IU Health is very

987
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: close to downtown. To go back to that, is it

988
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: a group effort in terms of where all the different

989
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 2: athletes are being examined, of kind of an all hands

990
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 2: on deck, all star team of all of the different

991
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 2: resources we have here.

992
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 5: Well, there's there's a team that's that does it year

993
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 5: over year and and yes, they they come from different employers,

994
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 5: a lot of technicians, you know, X ray technicians, imagy texts,

995
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 5: that really are the ones who who make it all happen.

996
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 5: And but but to the collaboration, You've got to remember,

997
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 5: there's very few industries that are as competitive as major

998
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 5: healthcare industry, so they don't they don't like to share much.

999
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 5: And uh, but but the people who work within those

1000
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 5: brands love to collaborate and love to help. And so

1001
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 5: it's uh, a lot of athletic trainers, e mts, paramedics, physicians, techts,

1002
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 5: it's data analyst, medical records operations. Uh, it's it's quite

1003
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 5: an army of people.

1004
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 2: Ralph appreciate the time, has always enjoyed. It's sunny here today,

1005
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 2: but it's not gonna be that way all weekend, so

1006
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 2: you'll be in, you know, soaking it all in in

1007
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 2: Saint Pete and we look forward.

1008
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: To talking to you again.

1009
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 5: Okay, take care of Ralph free

1010
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 1: For our friend joining us on the program.