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Speaker 1: show on ninety three five and one oh seven five

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Speaker 2: Well, the good thing is, James, what you missed the

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Speaker 2: really cold weather in the snow while you were gone.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a little bit nicer today. So you

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Speaker 2: got that working in your favorite come But what was

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Speaker 2: the What was the November weather like over in Berlin?

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Speaker 3: It wasn't too bad to me, I want to say

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Speaker 3: it was about forty eight to maybe fifty five, like

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Speaker 3: fifty five during the day, maybe forty high forties that night.

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Speaker 3: But I was walking a lot. Somebody was always moving,

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Speaker 3: got a lot of steps in in Berlin. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I had no complaints about the weather at all. I

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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about the coltson and what we

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Speaker 2: seen in the first half of the season. Look at

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Speaker 2: it collectively. They were a steam rolling offense up until

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Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh game, and obviously they got stonewall by that

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Speaker 2: defensive front. They lost that game. They had some problems

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Speaker 2: and Daniel Jones the last couple of games now had

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Speaker 2: some problems holding on to the football. Where's this offense

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Speaker 2: at as they get ready to start the second half

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Speaker 2: of the season a week for Sunday in Kansas City.

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Speaker 4: Where do you think it is? Because I feel like.

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Speaker 3: I'm confident in their ability to score because even like

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Speaker 3: a bad game kind of with the Falcons until the

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Speaker 3: very end with the walk off JT touchdown, you end

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Speaker 3: up with thirty one points on the scoreboard. So I

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Speaker 3: feel like they can roull out of bed and probably

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Speaker 3: get you about twenty seven to thirty. But like I said,

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Speaker 3: in that offensive line, I don't know if I feel

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Speaker 3: the way Shane Steiken feels when he said he doesn't

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Speaker 3: think it's like a big his level. He was act

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Speaker 3: his level of concern about the offensive line. He said,

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Speaker 3: there's not a high level of concern me. There is

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Speaker 3: because I just think that that's the one thing that

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Speaker 3: could rattle Daniel Jones in this version we've seen of him,

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Speaker 3: is this fear that he's going to get hit, and

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Speaker 3: so we've seen some of the old ways sorry to

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Speaker 3: pop back up over the last couple of games. Now,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to completely to dismiss or we're witnessing

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Speaker 3: At the end of that game against the Falcons, had

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Speaker 3: the bloody mouth, and he's probably gonna be a mean

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Speaker 3: because of that because it look like lipstick the way

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Speaker 3: the guy was trying to.

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Speaker 4: You know, get hisself together.

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Speaker 3: But he's sort of when it mattered to the most,

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Speaker 3: is just that you don't want to continue to put

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Speaker 3: your quarterback in those businits that have to be clutch

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Speaker 3: or you know, kind of superhuman lates to mitigate some

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Speaker 3: of the other things that perhaps, you know, I think

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Speaker 3: bigger red flags for you. So that's me. It's probably

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Speaker 3: what stands out, Jeff. But you know what do you

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Speaker 2: I think they're going to see a lot more stacked

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Speaker 2: boxes right now. They're going to force Daniel Jones to

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Speaker 2: kind of prove himself all over again like he did

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Speaker 2: the first five, six, seven weeks of the season. They're

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Speaker 2: Jonvin Taylor is the guy that can really kill you

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Speaker 2: really account for him. They still have a tremendous group

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Speaker 2: always there for Michael Pittman junior, Josh Downs gets his

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Speaker 2: they found success. I worry a little bit. I said

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Speaker 2: I'm starting to get a little concerned. In an era

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Speaker 2: seeing routinely sixty sixty three yard, seventy yards sixty eight

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Speaker 2: point in time. Those are the concerns I have. What's

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Speaker 2: looks good. I thought Zira Franklin had a nice performance

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Speaker 2: the full gamut because Kansas City is operating on just

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Speaker 2: about full cylinder right now. You've got Patrick Mahomes, he's

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Speaker 2: got Rashi Rice, Travis Kelcey is still getting things done.

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Speaker 2: They don't have the greatest running game, but their offensive

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Speaker 2: Kansas City might have one of the top three defenses

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Speaker 4: They might for sure.

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Speaker 3: I think this is going to be a test, and

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Speaker 3: like I said in my story after the game, you

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Speaker 3: feel a lot better going into the buy with the

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Speaker 3: So I think you give yourself a bit of a

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Speaker 4: You're gonna lose.

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Speaker 3: But it's a big matchup and it's one that I

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Speaker 3: don't think you can necessarily pencil on as a w

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Speaker 3: on paper, you got to show up in and actually

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Speaker 3: take it to the defending three time AFC champions. But

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Speaker 3: the other thing I wanted to point out, which I

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Speaker 3: but Alec Pierce Mark, how much you're paying that guy?

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Speaker 3: Because I feel like, boy, as much as we've talked

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Speaker 3: see the checkbook, you know, getting another zero added to him.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, a little more guaranteed money for MEI Mitchell or not?

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Speaker 4: Here is insurance for you?

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Speaker 3: I mean who was better right now as far as

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Speaker 5: Then Ale Pearce he's your deep threat. He's pretty reliable. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I mean they have some financial decisions to make on

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Speaker 2: I was talking to a former general manager I talked

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Speaker 2: and he's starting to raise the eyebrows of people within

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Speaker 2: the NFL. And this person actually said, look, he's not

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Speaker 2: But this isn't a talent well no, But my point is.

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Speaker 3: Christ he does have talent. We'll say, first team All pros. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but them dudes.

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Speaker 2: But my point is you have a legitimate guide that

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Speaker 2: is probably gonna he can make a huge difference in

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Speaker 2: develop as a wide receiver.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: We got a someone on the Payliss Looker's hotline who

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Speaker 3: would like to weigh in.

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Speaker 4: Mark is Dave.

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Speaker 3: Bring Dave on, let's hear what he has to say

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Speaker 3: about these tweet twenty five colts.

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Speaker 4: Dave, you're on.

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Speaker 6: Good morning, gentlemen, Good morning, gentlemen.

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Speaker 5: How are you from you?

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Speaker 1: So? You know, there's been a lot of talk about

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Speaker 6: Last couple of weeks, and granted they got their butt

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Speaker 6: kicked by Pittsburgh, But my concern right now is Daniel

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Speaker 6: Jones and has he gotten in his own head. He's

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Speaker 6: throwing interceptions, he's not getting the ball at as quick

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Speaker 6: as he was the first eight weeks of the season,

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Speaker 6: and he's short arming stuff. He's he's missing receivers badly,

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Speaker 6: and so I'm wondering what happened. I mean, have the

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Speaker 6: do we have another issue there? And hopefully this bye

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Speaker 4: All right, Well, thanks Dave for the question.

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Speaker 3: I do think that right there is a response that

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Speaker 3: I've gotten from a lot of cold hands. It's not like,

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Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I no longer believe in my team,

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Speaker 3: but oh boy, are we going to see some downward

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Speaker 3: can we correct it before then?

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Speaker 4: I would say two things. I do think that Daniel.

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Speaker 3: I think he deserves credit for his ability to move

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Speaker 3: the ball against the Falcons. They had one of the

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Speaker 3: moved the ball pretty well. The interception you'd like to

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Speaker 3: got to keep two hands on it. So probably a

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Speaker 3: mixture of both, Dave, where you know it is partly

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Speaker 3: Daniel's fault. I can't absolve him when you have seven

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Speaker 3: turnovers the two games. You don't get up ask for

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Speaker 3: more time to work with, which I don't think he's getting.

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Speaker 3: And because of that, he's missing some of the other

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Speaker 3: things that he was just hitting, you know, as easy

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Speaker 3: things that they can certainly clean up I think in

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Speaker 3: that regard, and they told me, well, look, we'll look

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Speaker 2: Day. Appreciate the phone call, Thanks very much. Check iting

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Speaker 2: on the fan text line right now. Two three, nine

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Speaker 2: some questions the Quentin Nelson, Bernard Ryeman, Braden Smith. When

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Speaker 2: Mitchell messed up with the Rams game, his name was

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Speaker 2: in the news. When Josh Downs fumbled on football or

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones fumbling the fall security, that's news, But we

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Speaker 2: only say offensive line one hundred million dollar tackle, Hall

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Speaker 2: of Famer guard and at right tackling Braden Smith. These

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Speaker 2: guys need to be held responsible by name just as

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Speaker 2: much as everybody else. And I think they'd probably tell you,

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Speaker 2: maybe they did after the game. They've got to be better, James.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a.

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Speaker 3: Good point, justin makes I will say, and I'll have

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Speaker 3: to have I'll have to actually look back at the

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Speaker 3: tape this week myself to identify, Okay, who is doing

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Speaker 3: what on each pass, play, run play, things like that.

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Speaker 3: So personally, I try to assign too much blame to

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Speaker 3: specific offensive linemunless I've seen the tape myself. And also

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Speaker 3: sometimes I don't even know what I'm watching, Like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: were you supposed to you know, slide left or right?

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Speaker 3: You know, those things are a little bit above my

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Speaker 3: hopefully to kind of explain why we're seeing some of

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Speaker 2: Having said that, I think al Michaels is already he's

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Speaker 2: You got there much earlier than I did. James, I was.

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Speaker 5: The one thing I've been doing, I'm like, where's that

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Speaker 1: Jeff, it's great to talk to you. I will certainly

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Speaker 4: Mikey says that about everybody comes on the show. Man,

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Speaker 1: gonna share. Hey, the guys, I went last night to

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Speaker 1: TPG Paints Arena and I saw Paul McCartney rock and

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Speaker 1: roll for two hours, nearly two and a half well

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Speaker 1: more than two and a half hours, more than two

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Speaker 1: and a half hours. So if he can do that

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Speaker 1: at eighty three or eighty four, I can. I can

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Speaker 1: handle admitting that I'm cooping for a while.

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Speaker 2: James and Kevin trying to push me out the door already.

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Speaker 2: They're ready to go. Man, the young guys want their

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Speaker 2: o their spot. It's good. I'm good with it. But

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Speaker 2: now it's great to have you here. And hey, Purdue

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Speaker 2: had the number one preseason ranking. They went back to

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Speaker 2: number two. You know, they had the preseason loss to

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Speaker 2: Kentucky and whatever. But how good really, you've been watching

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Speaker 2: college basketballs, we've just established for a long time up

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Speaker 2: close in personal, how good could this team be this year?

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Speaker 1: Oh? I think they can be terrific. I certainly think

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Speaker 1: they're final for good. I've always questioned whether or not

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Speaker 1: they have quite the degree of NBA level challenge that

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Speaker 1: almost inevitably you will have on a national champion. My

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Speaker 1: favorite stat, or my most reliable stat in college basketball

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Speaker 1: is that every team since nineteen eighty seven, and of

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Speaker 1: course since basically since nineteen eighty eight, the last exception

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Speaker 1: was in nineteen eighty seven and indianafl's will be Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was US has had a number one draft choice

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Speaker 1: at least one in their rotation, and usually it's more

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Speaker 1: than one. And so that was that. That was always

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Speaker 1: my my my concern about whether or not this Purdue

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Speaker 1: team can win it. But one you can redefine that expectation.

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Speaker 1: It was done in eighty seven, it could be done again.

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Speaker 1: But also if Braden Smith goes out and has the

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Speaker 1: kind of year he's capable of having there there there

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Speaker 1: may be someone towards you know, in the in the

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Speaker 1: in the twenties that'll say, hey, that guy can that

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Speaker 1: guy can make our team better. Even if he even

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Speaker 1: if he never starts, he'll make our team better. And

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Speaker 1: who's to say he can't start. So I I that's

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Speaker 1: that's that's the kind of team you're looking at a

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Speaker 1: team that those are your concerns. You know, do they

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Speaker 1: have a pro They certainly have enough talent to be

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Speaker 1: a Big Ten champion, to be a Final four team,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll see whether or not those last couple

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Speaker 1: of games, if they get they can conquer those.

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Speaker 2: Mike.

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Speaker 4: One thing I do want to follow up in regard

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Speaker 4: to what you just said about Purdue, do you that

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Speaker 4: they're athletic enough.

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Speaker 3: I know they lost a bit of that with Miles Covid,

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Speaker 3: who also had a poster dunk the other day, and

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Speaker 3: then Cam Heidie as well.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, they did lose that. And Miles was

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Speaker 1: certainly that kind of player, and I'd always hoped, after

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Speaker 1: seeing him very early in his career, maybe a second

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Speaker 1: or third game at Purdue, that he would develop into

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Speaker 1: that player. It just didn't quite click. And I don't

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Speaker 1: know how much of that as being somewhat blocked by

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Speaker 1: Fletcher Lawyer. I think he did have enough opportunity, and

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Speaker 1: so did Cam Heidi have enough opportunity that they could

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Speaker 1: could have broken through last year, but never quite were

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Speaker 1: able to do that. I think that the dynamism part

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Speaker 1: is there with Jakari Harris and c. J. Cox. I

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Speaker 1: think Brayden himself is dynamic. He's as quick as any

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Speaker 1: player on the floor. And then then the question becomes upfront, though,

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Speaker 1: whether or not they're quick enough to be a significant defense,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's I think that's one of the

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Speaker 1: questions that goes into you know, sort of dovetails with

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Speaker 1: that with that enough pros conversation.

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Speaker 2: Mike, of course, he's Sporting News Bigton Network joining us

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Speaker 2: here in the pay Less Lickers hotline this morning, college

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Speaker 2: basketball is here. What do we make so far of

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Speaker 2: Indiana and Darrin Devrie is really turning over an entire roster,

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Speaker 2: new coaching staff, new coach knew everything. They certainly run

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Speaker 2: the ball, they certainly are jacketed up from three. I

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Speaker 2: know they got the tough part of their schedule has

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Speaker 2: not even really started. But what do we make of

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Speaker 2: them in early returns?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the thing that I like best about

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Speaker 1: what they're doing, and I think that this is a

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Speaker 1: mistake that's often made when new coaches take over, especially

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Speaker 1: if they have to go out with a fresh roster,

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Speaker 1: and that is you set the expectation of here's who

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Speaker 1: we're going to be at our best. We're going to

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Speaker 1: play like this, and even if we don't win, we're

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Speaker 1: going to play like this. This was a mistake that

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Speaker 1: I thought was made at Louisville in the earlier part

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Speaker 1: of this decade, where there was no line drawn, even

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Speaker 1: though they actually didn't have, you know, at the level

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Speaker 1: of talent you needed to compete in the acc they

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Speaker 1: looked at it somewhat like, well, when we get our

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Speaker 1: guys and we get better, then we'll be And then

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Speaker 1: you can't do that. You have to say, you have

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Speaker 1: to play this hard, you have to play this way,

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Speaker 1: you have to you have to conform to our expectations

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Speaker 1: and all of that. And I think that's the best

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Speaker 1: thing that Darren has done since he's gotten to Indiana.

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Speaker 1: He said, this is going to be our style of play,

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Speaker 1: and they recruited to that to a degree, but they've

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Speaker 1: also more so coached it because you could you could

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Speaker 1: certainly allow players to play as they wish or with

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Speaker 1: the level of intensity they wish, and he's not allowed that.

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Speaker 1: I think it's helped to have his son on the

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Speaker 1: team because his son has played for him in in

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Speaker 1: five different years at three different schools, and those from

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Speaker 1: place to place to place. That that's the standard, that

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Speaker 1: particular style, that open style, that that ball movement style,

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Speaker 1: the the you know, the willingness to take threes, the

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Speaker 1: eagerness to take threes is always what's emphasized. But that

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Speaker 1: there there's a lot of ball movement, a lot of

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Speaker 1: intricate player movement involved with this Hoosiers offense. And as

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Speaker 1: I said, I do think that having a player who's

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Speaker 1: been through. It doesn't necessarily have to be his son,

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Speaker 1: but having someone who's played that style for five years

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Speaker 1: and is really talented been very helpful.

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Speaker 4: Mike to that point. And I can certainly agree with

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Speaker 4: you there.

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Speaker 3: I remember watching Tucker at Drake and they had some

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Speaker 3: great teams over in the NVC. But how would you

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Speaker 3: define overall success for this IU team, because you know

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Speaker 3: the expectations are always going to be high in Bloomington,

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Speaker 3: But granted it is Darren Deree's first year with the program,

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Speaker 3: so how would you look at Okay, this is enough

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Speaker 3: to say they're aheaded in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I think the minimum standard is what I just said.

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Speaker 1: That they that they enforce their style, and obviously some

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Speaker 1: of this is impacted by health player health. You want

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Speaker 1: to stay whole, have an abundance of players. It's hard

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Speaker 1: to maintain the style that they're playing if your rotation

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Speaker 1: gets shortened by injuries. But right now they have just

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Speaker 1: about their full compliment of players. They have a couple

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Speaker 1: of guys down, but they still are able to play

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Speaker 1: about eight guys and so they are able to enforce

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Speaker 1: that style. I know they're going to be even better

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Speaker 1: when they get fully healthy. But I think that's the

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Speaker 1: number one component of this when you're in your first year,

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Speaker 1: and I think if you demand more than that just

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Speaker 1: because it's a transfer portal era and some teams get

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Speaker 1: better than that, I think that's a mistake because you're

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Speaker 1: not always going to get exactly who you want in

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Speaker 1: these circumstances, especially in your first year. Especially some teams

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Speaker 1: their connections to their former rosters or such that they

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Speaker 1: can bring a lot of them along. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think Kurtzgetty's an example of that. It he brought a

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Speaker 1: lot of those JM you guys and they were very

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Speaker 1: successful first year. And sometimes that works. But I look

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Speaker 1: from a competitive standpoint, a results standpoint, I think if

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Speaker 1: you finish in the top half of the big ten,

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Speaker 1: you've done fine. And I'm not saying that's the least

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Speaker 1: they can do, but I'm saying, if you've done that

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Speaker 1: with this group, you've done unfine. And I also think

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Speaker 1: that if you do that, then you are going to

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Speaker 1: be competitive for a spot in the NCAA tournament. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: guarantee that they're going to get nine. It doesn't get

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Speaker 1: guarantee they're only going to get nine. They might get more.

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Speaker 1: But I think if you are in the upper half

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Speaker 1: of this league, you've you've had a really good year

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Speaker 1: in the first time around, and then to you want

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Speaker 1: to go through the fall and get good players to sign,

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Speaker 1: and you want to then go back into the portal

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Speaker 1: and get guys who are going to make even better.

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Speaker 1: And I think that one of the things that I've seen.

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Speaker 1: We saw it over the summer with the names, but

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Speaker 1: now we've seen some of the guys on the floor,

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Speaker 1: and I think that you have to be open, especially

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Speaker 1: given the playing style at Indiana, I think you have

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Speaker 1: to be open to looking overseas and seeing if there's

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Speaker 1: help there.

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Speaker 2: Mike, of course, he Sporting News Big ten Network joining

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Speaker 2: us on the payless Lickers hotline. I want to talk

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Speaker 2: about Big easton Butler real quick. They're three and oho.

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Speaker 2: They haven't hit their part of the schedule yet either,

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Speaker 2: but man exceptional night shooting last night they shot seventeen

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Speaker 2: of thirty six from three point range against Chicago State.

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Speaker 2: What's likely to happen for coach Mada this year.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a tough one to call. It's helpful that

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Speaker 1: he does have some experience there and so you look

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Speaker 1: at that and you think that that gives them a chance.

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Speaker 1: I think it's also helpful that some of the teams

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Speaker 1: in the Big East look like they've taken a step back.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Xavier would be the most obvious example of that,

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Speaker 1: and so it's hard to it's really hard to read it,

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Speaker 1: but I think that in their exhibitions, they played proficiently.

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Speaker 1: They looked comfortable with each other. With the way that

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Speaker 1: bad wants to play, I think it's going to take

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Speaker 1: a little time and see them get into some of

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Speaker 1: the more challenging games in their schedule. And it starts

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Speaker 1: on Saturday at SMU. I think that that's a challenging

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Speaker 1: game South Carolina Virginia. That's three high major games right

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Speaker 1: in a row, and so I think that those games

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Speaker 1: will help us get a better picture of who they are.

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Speaker 1: Virginia has improved a lot. Last year. They were in

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Speaker 1: an interim situation and the season really got away from them.

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Speaker 1: But they you know, they've they hired Ryan Odum and

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Speaker 1: he's a terrific coach and he'll do a nice job there.

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Speaker 1: So I think that I think that Butler will be

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Speaker 1: better this year. That's what that's the hint that they've

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Speaker 1: given me, and watching them over and in watching them

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Speaker 1: some over the first you know, the exhibition time and

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Speaker 1: then the first week or so of the season, I

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Speaker 1: think they will be better. But how much better and

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Speaker 1: where that takes them, I think a lot of that

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Speaker 1: will be decided really before they even get to the

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Speaker 1: Big East.

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Speaker 2: Mike, I know you're in Pittsburgh. I know you're a

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Speaker 2: Steelers guy and on behalf of Mark Dyton. He loves

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Speaker 2: to hate watch Aaron Rodgers. How'd you feel about that

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Speaker 2: game the other night?

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure he had quite a Sunday night because

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Speaker 1: that was that that really was the first time in

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Speaker 1: any way that Aaron Rodgers let that team down. He's

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Speaker 1: I was not a fan of the signing at the

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Speaker 1: time until until Sunday night. He hadn't really done anything

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Speaker 1: that you could criticize. He'd been a really good leader,

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Speaker 1: he'd been a really good citizen. For lack of a

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Speaker 1: better term, he been. I guess maybe it'd be better

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Speaker 1: to say he'd been a really good stealer. Uh, he hadn't.

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Speaker 1: He'd basically kept everything, all the stuff that he was

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Speaker 1: doing earlier in the decade, on the on the on

653
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: the radio slash TV show. He'd put all that aside,

654
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: wasn't making appearances on that show any longer except for

655
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: the periodic ones. Uh and, and he had just focused

656
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: on being a Steeler. And then Sunday night he just

657
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: what it was that got to him, I don't know,

658
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: but he was poor. And they can't afford many of those.

659
00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that they can afford any

660
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: of You can be slightly below the line and still

661
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: win an NFL game, but you can't be, you know,

662
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: scraping the scraping the bottom and expect to be just

663
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: about anybody in the NFL.

664
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: Well, you've made Mark stay. So there we go.

665
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 5: Do you want Mike Tomlin gone? There's there's some like

666
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 5: a smattering of Steelers fans that are off the Mike

667
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 5: Tomlins scattering.

668
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: There's way more than smattering, I think if they're certainly,

669
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: if it's only a smattering, it's a very loud smattering,

670
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: because they like they live in this fantasy world where

671
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: the Jets, Giants, Raiders. Those teams don't exist. Cowboys, they

672
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: absolutely don't exist. The only teams that exist to them

673
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: are the nineteen seventies and two thousand Steelers and maybe

674
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs. That's it. Those are the only

675
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: teams on the planet. You're you're one of them, or

676
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: you know, or you're terrible. That's that's it.

677
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 7: Uh.

678
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: And I just I will ever understand how you can't

679
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: look at what you're seeing and see that in a

680
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: lot of like almost annually, but in a lot of circumstances,

681
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: he's taking teams that shouldn't be where they are to

682
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: where they are. I sometimes think that fans would rather

683
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: be bad than be good to very good. And I

684
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: can't understand that because they've had a baseball team here

685
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: that's gotten off the deck once literally for one three

686
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: year period in thirty five years, and they complain about

687
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: that all the time. Well, that's an alternative to winning,

688
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: to having winning seasons every year since two thousand and four.

689
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: It really is. It could happen. You could go like

690
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: the Raiders, and I think the Raiders last make their

691
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: last playoff appearance in like two thousand and two or

692
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: something like that. You could be them. But they here,

693
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: they hear some of the people seem to think that

694
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: you change coaches and you're automatically going to be the

695
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: seventy Steelers again, always.

696
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, buddy. You Just like I said,

697
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: Mark's got aig Go smile on his face for the

698
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: rest of the day now, So I got that going on.

699
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Speaker 1: Good luck to the Colts the rest of the way.

700
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: It's time to talk a little bit more about the

701
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 2: Colts and the AFC, and we bring in our next guest,

702
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: Stacy Dales works at NFL Network and Stacy, if I'm

703
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 2: not mistaken, I believe you were in Berlin this past week,

704
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:20,959
Speaker 2: were you not?

705
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, good morning, guys. I was what a great trip

706
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 7: it was to Berlin, and certainly, I mean if he

707
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 7: didn't think Jonathan Taylor was in the running for MVP,

708
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 7: go back and watch that game on Sunday.

709
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Speaker 3: Stacy, I believe it was you in the postgame interview

710
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 3: and correct me if I'm wrong. Was that you and

711
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: JT and then Chris Ballat came and kissed him.

712
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Speaker 7: You are one hundred percent correct that that happened. That happened.

713
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 7: I actually I got to go back today and get

714
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Speaker 7: that clip and post it because I'm interviewing Jonathan Taylor

715
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 7: after he has two hundred and eighty six scrimmage yards. Okay,

716
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 7: so that's a career high for this young man. And

717
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 7: Chris Ballard steps in and we captured him actually on

718
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 7: our on the overhead camera and it was really cool.

719
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 7: Gives them a big kiss on the cheek. I think

720
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Speaker 7: even Jonathan.

721
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: Was surprised by it.

722
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Speaker 7: I certainly was, but we had to keep it moving.

723
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Speaker 4: Did you guys know what a profession.

724
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: Stacy Dale joining us on the Payless Liquors Hotline right now.

725
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 2: Talk about the Colts and they're standing as they go

726
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 2: into their bye week. They're eight and two, and a

727
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 2: little bit of our aggression maybe for the offense in

728
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh game, and they pulled it out against Atlanta.

729
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 2: But overall league wide, what are you hearing and seeing

730
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 2: about the Colts? The just the perception of where they

731
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: are and who they are.

732
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Speaker 7: I think when you find a way to win in

733
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 7: the NFL, as we saw on Sunday, and you're a

734
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 7: good team, your target in many respects. I mean I

735
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 7: was in Pittsburgh as well with the Colts, and you

736
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 7: have to find ways to win in this league. And

737
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 7: they did it on Sunday. They did it in a

738
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Speaker 7: you know, when you travel to any of these international

739
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 7: sites and you win, it's a big deal. And I

740
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 7: think if you're the Colts and you're staring down right now,

741
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 7: they're eight and two, they're the number one seed in

742
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 7: the AFC. They hold the head to head tiebreaker over

743
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 7: the eight and two Broncos. They hold the conference win

744
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 7: lost tiebreaker over the eight and two Patriots. Like I'm

745
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 7: a believer, you know, you know, spending time in production

746
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 7: meetings with Shane Steichen and Danny Jones and Zayer Franklin.

747
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 7: The culture is special, Jonathan Taylor. The culture is really special.

748
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 7: I've covered this team for a long time, guys, and

749
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 7: this is probably the best culture that I've felt. You know,

750
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 7: just if you walk in the locker room and you

751
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 7: feel something special, this team has it again.

752
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 3: We have Stacey Dale's, the NFL New Works Senior national

753
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 3: reporter here on the Palis Solica's hotline. You can also

754
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 3: catch the Commanders in Dolphins game, which is also overseas

755
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 3: in Madrid on Sunday at nine thirty am Eastern Time

756
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 3: from Legit exclusively on NFL Network and is available to

757
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: stream as well on NFL Plus and all your devices. Stacy,

758
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 3: the one thing I think has changed the most when

759
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 3: it comes to this team is Obviously, quarterback Daniel Jones

760
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 3: is playing some of the best football of his career.

761
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 3: A little bit of shaky, I guess, the last couple

762
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: of some of the turnover issues, But overall, what has

763
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 3: been your impression of his career resurgence here in Indianapolis,

764
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 3: considering how bleaked things looked just months ago, six or

765
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 3: seven months ago leaving New York.

766
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, the team believes in them. I mean, you're right

767
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 7: to your point. Seven giveaways over the last two weeks

768
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 7: is substantial. But and I don't know what's going on

769
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 7: up front. I mean, this is a really good offensive line.

770
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 7: But in my conversations, including you know, with Chris Ballard

771
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 7: and carly erse Gordon and Shane Steiken, like they they are,

772
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 7: they feel very comfortable with their quarterback right now. And

773
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 7: one of the things, guys, in my production meetings last

774
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 7: week that I took away from my conversations with Shane Stiken,

775
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 7: I asked him, are you doing anything? Because he was

776
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 7: a quarterback, so he played the position when he played,

777
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 7: and he works very well with quarterbacks. So you talk

778
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 7: about quarterback whispers, however you want to paraphrase it or

779
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 7: describe it, And you know, I said, are you doing

780
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 7: anything different with Daniel Jones? Like what's unique about this relationship?

781
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 7: And he told me that we can have next level conversations.

782
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 7: I wanted to get this in so badly in our

783
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 7: broadcast when I was on the sideline. But what he

784
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 7: meant by that was sometimes you can sit down with

785
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 7: a quarterback and you can watch the tape. Right, you

786
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 7: can put the tape on and what do you see?

787
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 7: You're sitting with your quarterback as the play caller in

788
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 7: you know, in terms of Shane Steiken, and they can

789
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 7: actually have those conversations without sitting down and watching the tape.

790
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 7: So there's an visual part of it and then there's

791
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 7: an audio part of it and they can just talk

792
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 7: football and see the game the same way. So I

793
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 7: thought that was really special. I haven't heard a lot

794
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 7: of play callers say that to me, and so I

795
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 7: think they're big believers in Danny Jones in Indy.

796
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 2: What do you think the addition of Sauce Gardner to

797
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 2: that secondary and they're getting Shavaria's ward back pretty quickly

798
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 2: here too, What do you think that the moves they've

799
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 2: made and what they can do down the stretch here?

800
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 7: Mooney getting Mooney back was huge next week it should

801
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 7: be after the buye, right, So second concussion against Arizona.

802
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 7: So what I learned about, you know, just the defensive backfield.

803
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 7: Really after that Arizona game, guys, the Colts were shopping

804
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 7: for a cornerback. So you know, you lose, as you

805
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 7: mentioned Tarvarius Word after that Arizona game with his second concussion,

806
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 7: and now you're on the hunt. So they had been

807
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 7: looking for or a cornerback all the way back to

808
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 7: that time frame. And really it was about four weeks

809
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 7: ago that they started targeting soft Gardener. So essentially the

810
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 7: Jets were not shopping him. They were not like trying

811
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 7: to get rid of soft Gardener. But that's how strongly

812
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 7: Chris Ballard the Colts felt about going and getting As

813
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 7: Carl Er say, Gordon told me, when you have a

814
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 7: good fire, going pour more gasoline on it. That's why

815
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 7: they went and got soft Gardener to pour gasoline on

816
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 7: this fire. So to answer your question, this is massive.

817
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 7: I think he was exposed a little bit because Drake

818
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 7: London was all over the formation on Sunday in Germany,

819
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 7: and you know, he's gonna need a little bit of time.

820
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 7: He's gonna need a little bit of time. They told

821
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 7: me going into the game, Fellas that like he was

822
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 7: one hundred percent. I mean his first walk through, they

823
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 7: had a seventy play walkthrough in his first practice as

824
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 7: a cult and he he ever made a mistake, loud

825
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 7: and Rumo told me. But I think there were a

826
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 7: few mistakes, a few issues this past Sunday.

827
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Speaker 1: He'll get up to speed.

828
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 7: He's really smart, he's really intelligent, great football documen. It's

829
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 7: a huge move and I think with Mooney coming back

830
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 7: like this is going to be one of the best

831
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 7: secondaries in football.

832
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 3: So Stacey, and again thanks for joining us, making time

833
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: for us on the Palosicas Hotline. We have these of course,

834
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 3: senior NFL network reporter with us traveling all across the

835
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 3: world doing great work.

836
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 4: And you know, going back to JT.

837
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, a few years ago, he's going through the contract

838
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 3: dispute with Jim Irse quite frankly, it was very public

839
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 3: and very in your face, and then you look up

840
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 3: a few years later and he's argably the best player

841
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 3: in the sport. So how realistic do you think it

842
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: is for him to become the first NFL MVP at

843
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 3: running back since Adrian Peterson in twenty twelve, well after.

844
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Speaker 7: I saw Sae Kawan Berkley, you know, last year and

845
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 7: then not getting.

846
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 6: Dude.

847
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 7: I mean, come on, man, Like, if you ain't a quarterback,

848
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 7: it's a tough slope for you. But I think what

849
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 7: Jonathan Taylor is doing right now, here's what I love

850
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 7: about him six years in the NFL. We saw his

851
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 7: illustrious season back in twenty one. I mean, he's already

852
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,959
Speaker 7: eclipsed a thousand rush yards. I mentioned that he had

853
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 7: a career high two eighty six scrimmage yards. He's doing

854
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 7: it in so many ways. But the thing that really

855
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 7: impresses me about him is in our meetings with him

856
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 7: last week, I mean, Kurt Warner asked him, like, what

857
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 7: do you want to be remembered for?

858
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 5: What do you want to be known for?

859
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 7: And he said dependable. I want to be known for

860
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 7: my dependability. If a teammate needs me, I'm there for him.

861
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 7: If a play is.

862
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: Called, I get the job done.

863
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 7: And like that could not have been more true in

864
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 7: Journey his second career game with two hundred plus rush yards,

865
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 7: three plus rushing touchdowns, and and that's second to himself.

866
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 7: Like he's really special and the way he prepares, the

867
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 7: way he goes about his business. He's team first. He

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Speaker 7: is really extraordinary. I'm not surprised that Chris Ballard jumped

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Speaker 7: in on our interview and gave him a big, big

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Speaker 7: because guys, I mean, like I I'm I'm blown away

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Speaker 7: sometimes by some of these players in the league. And

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Speaker 7: last year it was Saquon. This year it's Jonathan Taylor.

873
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 7: He's so stout, he has his body ready, he's uh,

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Speaker 7: he's just the quintessential teammate. And you know, I remember

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Speaker 7: that dispute by I was at training camp when he

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00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 7: was walking around. Do you guys remember when he was

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Speaker 7: walking around and he has like.

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Speaker 3: Hoodie over his joe Stacey was. We would look in

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Speaker 3: and kind of see as is the hoodie a blue?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly like I I was there following him around

881
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 7: and like he was so solid and it's just sullen,

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Speaker 7: and it was like, I, I don't know how they

883
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 7: going to figure this thing out. I think anytime you're

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Speaker 7: drafted in the second round in the NFL and you're

885
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 7: that good, you have a notorious chip on your shoulder,

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Speaker 7: and I think Jonathan Taylor plays like that.

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Speaker 2: Stacey Dale's I'm just gonna remind people, like before we

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Speaker 2: come in outstanding NFL reporter and broadcaster, people forgetting she

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00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 2: was an All Star in the WNBA and was an

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Speaker 2: All American at Oklahoma in basketball. I'm going to ask

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00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: you this kind of out of left field, and I

892
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 2: know you haven't played close attentions because you're not covering it.

893
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 2: But we miss Caitlin Clark the second half of the

894
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Speaker 2: season because of an injury here in Indiana with the Fever.

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Speaker 2: We had Kelsey Mitchell who had an amazing season, and

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Speaker 2: they still came within one game of going to the

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Speaker 2: WNBA finals. How good is this team set up to

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Speaker 2: be moving forward? I know there's a lot of work

899
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Speaker 2: stoppage and things like that, but from the outside looking in,

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Speaker 2: what do you see as a former pro basketball player?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well I do follow the Fever. They're my favorite.

902
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Speaker 7: Like I can't thanks for bringing this up because Stephanie

903
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 7: White actually coached me in Chicago first season when I

904
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Speaker 7: played for the Sky and what she did with that

905
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Speaker 7: team without Caitlin and so and Lex and just what

906
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Speaker 7: the Kelsey first of all, like, if I could go

907
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Speaker 7: back in time, if you put a time machine on me,

908
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Speaker 7: and you said, Stace, can you go play for a team.

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Speaker 7: I am going to the Indiana Fever.

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Speaker 1: I am like.

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00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 7: Talking to my agent. I'm begging to get me there.

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Speaker 7: I don't care what it costs, what the cost is

913
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Speaker 7: for me to take a pay cut, whatever it is, Like,

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Speaker 7: I want to go play on that team because, first

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Speaker 7: of all, like I've never seen anything like Caitlin Clark. Okay,

916
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Speaker 7: I played, I played against the best of the best,

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Speaker 7: Diana Tarassi, Sue Byrd, Lisa Leslie. I mean, the list

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Speaker 7: goes on. Tamika Catching's greatest competitor I've ever faced. You

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Speaker 7: guys know her well, they're an indie. Kitlin Clark is extraordinary.

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Speaker 1: She is.

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Speaker 7: When you talk about, you know, generational talents, the only

922
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Speaker 7: time you should bring that term up is when somebody

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Speaker 7: actually changes the landscape of whatever it is. And Michael

924
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 7: Jordan did that. Everybody wanted to play like him after that.

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Speaker 7: Now all the kids coming up want.

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Speaker 1: To play like Kitlin.

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Speaker 7: They're starting to shoot threes from forty feet.

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Speaker 3: And I was.

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Speaker 7: Always taught as a kid when you play basketball, like

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Speaker 7: get to get to the close, get as close as

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Speaker 7: the best as you can, because the percentage goes up,

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Speaker 7: so like, if you're gonna shoot a three, make sure

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Speaker 7: your toes are on the three point line. No, these

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Speaker 7: kids now are changing the way they play and the

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Speaker 7: way they train because of Kitlin Clark and then the

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Speaker 7: whole nucleus surrounding. Like to have Pippen and Jordan, like

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Speaker 7: Kelsey and Caitlin is ultra special. I think that team

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Speaker 7: is going to be sensational next season, and I can't

939
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Speaker 7: wait to follow it and watch it.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a lot of fun. Well, hey, can

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Speaker 2: we check back in with you later on? This football

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Speaker 2: season has been enjoy.

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Speaker 7: To tell any time, guys, I would be so privileged

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Speaker 7: to join you.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll talk to you again soon, and travels

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Speaker 2: safe for all your travels there, We'll be looking for

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Speaker 2: you again on NFL Network.

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Speaker 1: You got it, Thanks guys,