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Speaker 1: Thanks for starting your Tuesday with us again. Later, movie

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Speaker 1: maker Rick Mathis will preview his latest project, a personal

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Speaker 1: Brush with Death, a docu series titled Heartbeat. Before Rick

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Speaker 1: an advocate for men's mental health. A moment early DC

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Speaker 1: actress din Real Mohammad will check him. But first, let's

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Speaker 1: get Kevin to open to this classroom.

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Speaker 2: Doors Hes and Kevin Grand Rising, indeed, Carl Nelson, Happy

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Speaker 2: Black History Month. And you know, I just love to

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Speaker 2: celebrate Black History Month, even though Morgan Freeman says he doesn't.

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Speaker 1: You know, never mind, let's leave with the man alone,

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Speaker 1: let him sleep. How you feeling. I'm still learning. I

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Speaker 1: didn't know that one. I'm still learning Kevin and unlearning

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Speaker 1: at the same time.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Still, yeah, let's just do it goes hand in hand.

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Speaker 2: Sure, it's all a part of growth.

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Speaker 1: And see that's now you're using logic nearly full. Will

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Speaker 1: be proud of you, Kevin, I'm serious.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we'll poured one out for the maestro.

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Speaker 1: Right and by the way, his son's going to be

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, all right, then that's a good one to

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Speaker 2: mark our calendars. Four and uh man, it's the third

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Speaker 2: new year twenty six And the House panel advances funding

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Speaker 2: funding package eight to four along party lines. You think

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what they're doing is doing it slowly.

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Speaker 1: They've already said that some of the ice SAgs. One

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Speaker 2: They say it was a razor thin GOP majority, which

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Speaker 2: And you think that this whole uh body camera thing

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Speaker 1: And I think because neither side wants to shut down.

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Speaker 2: I tell you, man, it's considered the finest performing arts

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Speaker 2: Right right, the contractors for the people that clean up

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Speaker 2: But your question, I heard your question. Wouldn't Congress have

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Speaker 2: The Kennedy Center's charter stipulates that it's a living memorial

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Speaker 2: If you can't have that way, he'll just close it.

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Speaker 2: How can you close a memorial? Isn't that like shutting

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Speaker 1: Not only that, the people who were going to make

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Speaker 2: And I don't remember who is directing the orchestra now,

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Speaker 2: Trump calls on Republicans to nationalize future elections, and he

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Speaker 2: Right well, on the final note, get out your way

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Speaker 2: At first it was analog. Because of Jesse Eugenie Russell,

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Speaker 2: these great smartphones. And there's more to come from this

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Speaker 2: intelligent black man. When we participate, we dominate. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: thank you Kevin for spotlighting the brother with the change

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Speaker 2: of the analog to digital in our cell phones. Twelve

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Speaker 2: Salama Lak and grand rising, my brother, welcome back to

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Speaker 4: Why let a salami a bother? How you doing this morning?

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Speaker 1: I'm still learning, man, just learned one of my brothers

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Speaker 4: We all of us is student. But it doesn't surprise

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Speaker 4: Well, well, Donald Trump is a damn liar and I'm

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Speaker 4: you hear me talk about the government informants in religious uniforms.

436
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Speaker 1: Yeah, butfle you go there any further? Are you saying,

437
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: let me jump in for a second, brother, directly? Are

438
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Speaker 1: you saying that the crime has not been reduced by

439
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Speaker 1: the federal troops there? Now you know marshing through the

440
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Speaker 1: state the streets of Washington, DC, He's saying that has

441
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Speaker 1: not reduced the crime crime rate in the city.

442
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Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely. I'm out there every night when I get

443
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Speaker 4: off this show, brother, around nine o'clock, I'm gonna go out.

444
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Speaker 4: I'm out and we outsee him. You crisis management, We

445
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 4: deal with these crisis. We try to stay out of

446
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Speaker 4: the politics. And the reason that we try to stay

447
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 4: out of the politics is this called whether it's the

448
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Speaker 4: Democratic Party or the Republican Party, one is riding that

449
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 4: ass and one is kicking our ass. But the weight

450
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Speaker 4: of us, the weight of it is on us. Anyway,

451
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Speaker 4: It's not gonna take whether it was Biden, Obama, Trump,

452
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Speaker 4: It don't make a difference to you in that White House.

453
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Speaker 4: Brun ain't no policy or police won't save us. And

454
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 4: because they're trying to message that, you hear me convey

455
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 4: it's dangerous. You know what I'm saying, Come on with it.

456
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 4: And this is why I think the honor woman is

457
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Speaker 4: the Louis Ferika, because one thing about our brothers. If

458
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Speaker 4: you want to talk that talk, then you have to

459
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Speaker 4: walk that walk. And if you ain't gonna walk that walk,

460
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Speaker 4: they don't talk that talk. Hell or not. The crime

461
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Speaker 4: is not going down these little feathers in Washington, d C.

462
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Speaker 4: They have gotten off the streets and they going into

463
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Speaker 4: the buildings where them people ain't going in. All them

464
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Speaker 4: people are doing is walking around Washington, DC. They're not

465
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Speaker 4: going up in them complex because if they go in

466
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Speaker 4: them complex they ain't coming up there. I'm just gonna

467
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Speaker 4: say straight up to speaking street. If they go up

468
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Speaker 4: in the complexes, they ain't coming out of there.

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Speaker 1: All right. Let me jump in here at thirty after

470
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Speaker 1: the top there, direl. Could it be the has the

471
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Speaker 1: cold weather impacted the illegal behavior on the streets of

472
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Speaker 1: DC because it's really cold out there. And let me

473
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Speaker 1: just shout out young brothers out there who are helping

474
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Speaker 1: our seniors who have homes that needs shoveling. There's like

475
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Speaker 1: an ice and snow in the driveways. Thank you, young brothers,

476
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Speaker 1: because I understand a group of young brothers are doing

477
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Speaker 1: that all across the district. So thank you for doing that.

478
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Speaker 1: But Darrell, has the weather impacted the crime in the district?

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Speaker 4: That's the negative. It's cold every year called the first

480
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Speaker 4: floor of bas just set perservation and one thing, one

481
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 4: bomb got back to the original man, which is these

482
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Speaker 4: young people ancestors in Bloodline, they know how to survive.

483
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Speaker 4: All they're doing is pulling back up off the streets

484
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Speaker 4: and going into the little complexes and they're going to

485
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Speaker 4: continue to do what they have to do. That's why

486
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 4: we have to provide the jobs and That's why I

487
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 4: talk about provide you jobs. They get them off the street,

488
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Speaker 4: They get them out of harm's way. They don't know

489
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Speaker 4: what's going on around them. Brother, That's why you to walk.

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Speaker 4: You can't hide in your bubbles. Brother, you can't beat

491
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 4: bubble leaders. You have to come out of the bubble

492
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 4: and get in some trouble. See that we're hiding in

493
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Speaker 4: the bubble because we don't want to get in no trouble.

494
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Speaker 4: And this is why I use the term or nothing.

495
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Speaker 4: I'm in a lot of trouble in Washington, DC. Call

496
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Speaker 4: I'm in a whole lot of trouble. Brother.

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Speaker 1: But I said, now, why is that, brother, diaryel why

498
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Speaker 1: is that? Why are you in trouble in the district?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm coming Untraditionally when I talk about them damn grants,

500
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Speaker 4: majority of probably ninety of the funds in Washington, DC

501
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 4: is given to organizations or people that chasing these politicians

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Speaker 4: in grants. So now that Trump then cut them grants off,

503
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 4: they outright on these phones, social media, teut on in

504
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Speaker 4: each other. How did he get the two million dollars?

505
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 4: They be ordered it whether it's in the month, whether

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Speaker 4: it's in the church. See and This is the sad

507
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 4: thing about it. For me, I'm saying, you want somepo

508
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Speaker 4: and to and kept. I kept to help your damn people.

509
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Speaker 4: But she a big Trump for some money. And this

510
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 4: is what he brilliantly done. He took that one point

511
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Speaker 4: one billion dollars out of the economy, knowing because DC

512
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 4: is not the state. He took the funds, and he

513
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 4: made the leaders turn on each other, and he made

514
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Speaker 4: the people turn on each other. So the lord Nigga

515
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Speaker 4: pennies as the honorable minus the lords faerkon which say,

516
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Speaker 4: everybody is arguing about the Nigga pennies. So the for

517
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Speaker 4: one case, that's what the majority of the money. Last

518
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 4: time I was on your show, I talked to the

519
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Speaker 4: clergy from ward seven and Ward eight. The church called

520
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 4: me on the Saturday for breakfast. I waited in our listens.

521
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Speaker 4: I wanted to know why the what you want to

522
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 4: call me to see them? You think it's so powerfible

523
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,959
Speaker 4: because these young killers, we're providing mental health treatment, jobs

524
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 4: and housing. They want to work called there's nobody on

525
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 4: the planet can tell me that. They don't want to change.

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00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 4: They want an opportunity, but they don't want nobody playing

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Speaker 4: with them. And this is why for me I heard

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Speaker 4: the honorblemans, the Louis Ferri Khan say, if the Muslims

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Speaker 4: but some alive, you would die like you are. And

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Speaker 4: I would say, thank you a lot because you were

531
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Speaker 4: throwing nothing on top of the earth and let the

532
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Speaker 4: worms eat your ass. And I'm saying the same thing. Child,

533
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 4: in your damn building and what your damn people die?

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Speaker 1: Right, Let's let's switch up. Yeah, let's let's let's let's

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Speaker 1: let's leave that. Put that to the side. Help us,

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Speaker 1: help us help you reduce the crime rate in in Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. How can we help you reduce the crime

538
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: rate because you started off by going to the local schools,

539
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: because that's where some of the school the action was

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Speaker 1: with with some of our young youngsters coming out of

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Speaker 1: class each and every day and getting in you illegal activities.

542
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Speaker 1: And you were there starting to stamp it, and you

543
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Speaker 1: were making you say you were going to go to

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Speaker 1: all the schools. I think you went to Dunbard any

545
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Speaker 1: other schools on your list that you've visited so far.

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Speaker 4: Without five years ago, brother, we have amplified this kind

547
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Speaker 4: of work based on the reality and as the Holy

548
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 4: Karan teachers in chapter thirteen, verse eleven, that ah my

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Speaker 4: God changed not the condition of his people today, changed themselves.

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Speaker 4: This upcoming Saturday is a brother Muslim brother named Wassella.

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Speaker 4: He asked me to come over eighth Street, twelfth and

552
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Speaker 4: eighth Street, all those on clothes. So we're going to

553
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Speaker 4: do another stop to killing event this Saturday for seven

554
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Speaker 4: hours from club to seven April the fourth, the day

555
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Speaker 4: that our dear brother Martinludi King was assassinated. I'm already

556
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 4: putting it together. Brother. By Friday, I will have the

557
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 4: flyer out. I'm might have an all youth stopped the

558
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 4: killing program. Nothing but youth. All adults get the hell

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Speaker 4: out of the way. Let these youth speak and support.

560
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 4: So no, I'm not getting no support, brother, because the

561
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Speaker 4: one thing about me, I don't need no money.

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Speaker 5: Brother.

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00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 4: I'm not no horr, I'm not no prostitute. So the

564
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 4: thing for me is I'm not giving you a platform

565
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 4: of what we're building because we up there every day.

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00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 4: It's like Carl you on the radio on your show,

567
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 4: and then your producer action for the check sometime to

568
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 4: get paged. You putting in the work, but they want

569
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 4: to pay, so I mean, what do you do? Are

570
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 4: you doing that for money? Because your motive in intent

571
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 4: is being tested. So whether we get a dime or not,

572
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 4: we're still raising the money. Car we haven't got a grant,

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Speaker 4: were still all of this four or five major events.

574
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 4: I was with Dougie Fresh last month. I was blessed

575
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Speaker 4: to do security for Ducky Fresh at the Hip Hop

576
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 4: Gogo Awards and Curtis Blows and I was blessed to

577
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Speaker 4: secure them for four years, I mean for four days.

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Speaker 4: And me and Dougie had a person conversation. You say, brother,

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Speaker 4: I'm hearing about the work that you're doing in d C.

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00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 4: How can I help? I seen Mike Epps. Can they

581
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 4: help you? How can I help?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 4: And I'm not going to tell on the radio. Uh, child,

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Speaker 4: I asked for his help because I didn't ask him

585
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 4: for no money, man, And this is the key. People

586
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 4: will help. But the thing for me even dealing with

587
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 4: when you say how can we help help? The way

588
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 4: that you can help him? One way that you can help,

589
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 4: But don't leave your dam to put it time. That's

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00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 4: so curious to.

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Speaker 3: See.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I tell you what, brother, your phone Your phone's

593
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: going south on us. So and we got to take

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00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: a break, so I'll tell you what. You fix that

595
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: phone for us or have Kevin call you back on

596
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: another line while we look at the news. Family just

597
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: waking up. Brother Darrel Mohammad is I guess he's finding

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Speaker 1: a crime in Washington, DC. He's been on a crusade

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00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: for years now to stop the crime and they started

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Speaker 1: with our young people. He was visiting all the local

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Speaker 1: schools in the district and trying to get our young

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Speaker 1: people straight. But now he needs some help in doing that.

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Speaker 1: He's got a couple of events coming up as well,

604
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: if you want to join him, and you've got questions

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Speaker 1: about his events and how you can help and reduce

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Speaker 1: the crime rate, because you can use this and duplicate

607
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: this and take it to any city that's listening to us,

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00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: you know, and get involved because you know this is

609
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: our problem and we're the only ones who can solve

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00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: our problem. But you can reach Brother Diarrell at eight

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Speaker 1: hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and

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Speaker 1: we'll takeing phone calls after we check the ladies' news.

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Speaker 1: Trafficking weather in a different cities. That's next and Grand

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Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks for starting your Tuesday with us and

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Speaker 1: our guests and Diyarrell Muhammed. He's an activist in Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. And he's he's planning to cut the crime rate.

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Speaker 1: That's what he's doing. He's moving into our schools and

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Speaker 1: he started with the school districts, school district around Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. And trying to tamp down the crime rate there.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump claims that the crime rate is done down

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Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. And people can walk around without

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Speaker 1: being harassed. That's what Donald Trump's and he's taking the

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Speaker 1: credit for it. So we want to see how Diarrel

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Speaker 1: Muhammed feel about that before we go back to let

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Speaker 1: me just remind you come up. Later this morning, we're

626
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Speaker 1: gonna speak with movie maker Rick Mathis is doing a

627
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: new series this after Brush with Near Death, so he's

628
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Speaker 1: going to share that with us. Also, Attorney the Warrior,

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Speaker 1: Attorney Jay Wendell Gordon will analyze you and the rest

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Speaker 1: of a couple of journalists. And before we hear from

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Speaker 1: Jay Wendell Gordon, though, we're going to speak with with

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Speaker 1: a young man by the name of his personal Charles Johnson.

633
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: By the way, that's his name. A personal tragedy turned

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Speaker 1: into becoming an advocate for men's mental health. Later this week,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna hear from Grell, doctor James Small, also Nearly

636
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Speaker 1: Fuller son, Mark will Joys, and another Mark, markom Anaheim

637
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: will come out of exile to check in as well.

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00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: So if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep

639
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: your radio locked in tight on ten ten WLB, or

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00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: if you're listening to us in the DMV here of course,

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Speaker 1: we're on fourteen fifty WL. So, brother Darrelle, what can

642
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: we do? How can we help you reduce the crime

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00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: rate in Washington, DC? And you say that the crime

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00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: rate has not changed, even though Donald Trump is boasting

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Speaker 1: that the crime rate has dropped in the district and

646
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: now people are free go to restaurants and you know,

647
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: stroll around at night without being hassled. Or is it

648
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: just certain parts of DC that the crime rate has

649
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Speaker 1: dropped or is it all over?

650
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 4: The last time I was ill on the show, I

651
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 4: touched briefly about what Congress said in the investigation that

652
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 4: Mara Bowsa was manipulating the crime data. Remember that very

653
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 4: very because a lot of politics is going on now.

654
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 4: And then notice, you know, whenever he does something is

655
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 4: the greatest. Whenever he does it, it's the greatest. And

656
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 4: I can tell you, brother, they took that one point

657
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 4: one bion dollars and they started with the foods, damns

658
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 4: and at least last and I left. It's off the

659
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 4: chain out here. Brothers and sisters are going up in

660
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 4: them stores and they think that they can go there

661
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 4: and take it. They're taking it. And a lot of

662
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 4: these white folks that came into the city is that it's

663
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 4: not Washingtonian's what they not doing is reporting those crimes

664
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 4: because they live in the neighborhoods and they scared the death.

665
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 4: They're not even calling the police. See. So there's a

666
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 4: lot of shenanigans and chicanery is going on around these politics.

667
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 4: And this is why I hit it and get up

668
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 4: off of it. That ain't happening. It ain't enough job

669
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 4: for our youth in this city. It's not enough job

670
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 4: for these as they were called, returning citizens that's coming

671
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 4: out of jail. Doesn't have enough job for them. And

672
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 4: of course, when it comes down to some of our

673
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 4: learned people, with all the people that were SIU out

674
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 4: of the federal government, they're working in restaurants and everything

675
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 4: with manister degree, that's the reality out here. I need

676
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 4: the politics of it because I did with it. Don't

677
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 4: like to spend a lot of time on it because

678
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 4: if I can educate the reality in what I'm dealing with.

679
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 4: That's why I keep saying, you got to come out

680
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 4: of the street. See, so it's not that he's banishing.

681
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 4: We got to come out here. People need help. So

682
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 4: when you say how can people help, they don't even

683
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 4: help me. It's all right because I depend on all

684
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 4: my government. I have a spirity, go get it, say righteously.

685
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 4: So I'm a fire somebody to help me even when

686
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 4: it comes down to the politics the things that I'm

687
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 4: speaking about. They want to help me, but I refuse

688
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 4: because I'm not a prostitute. Brou I'm not taking your

689
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 4: money and turning the blind eye. Where you getting millions

690
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 4: of dollars that you're stealing supposed to go to the

691
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 4: people or to help people with job training and jobs

692
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 4: and they're not getting it. Then you look at the songs.

693
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 4: You got a brand new ranger over things like that.

694
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 4: So the thing for me and I touch on the

695
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 4: Honorable Minister Louis fay Khan, our duty and responsibility is

696
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 4: to shape public's opinion. That's our dude and responsibility. So

697
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 4: now I can't turn the blind I'm not because for me,

698
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 4: I'm not selling down people out like that. That's why

699
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 4: I talk about some of the trouble in terms of

700
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 4: be in because what you're doing is highlighting a hypocrisy.

701
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 4: So the condition in our community is not gonna change

702
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 4: unless that's part of what you have to deal with.

703
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 4: And that's why I talk about strong leadership. It takes

704
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 4: strong leadership to deal with the condition of how people

705
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 4: would all compromising. So the thing for me called whether

706
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 4: the people support me or not. I haven't got one grant.

707
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 4: I'm doing four or five major events every year because

708
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 4: the community going to have to learn how to support

709
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 4: the community. Again, you write call from the last conversation

710
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 4: I think it was ninety days ago. Is not always money.

711
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's just a relationship.

712
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: Called asking this brother Dyrrel twelve minutes away from the

713
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: top of the aisle. You mentioned the jobs is jobs?

714
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: The answer is employment. If our young people have jobs,

715
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: will that reduce the crime rate?

716
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 3: Is? So?

717
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: Should we figure out how to create jobs for them? Then?

718
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: Is your thoughts.

719
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 3: Of it?

720
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 4: Yes, it will because the crime that you're reading about,

721
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 4: all the shooting on the bus. They don't have nothing

722
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 4: to do. You see, they challenging DC Police Department. They're

723
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 4: challenging them because they got these assault rifles, and these

724
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,760
Speaker 4: people are in terms of law enforcement, they got regular glocks.

725
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 4: They ain't trying to see these young young brothers because

726
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 4: they got deaf in their eyes. I see it every day.

727
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 4: Last time I was under your show, it touched me

728
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 4: so deeply. I just mentioned to you, I don't know

729
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 4: if I'm making their home or man talk. It's that

730
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 4: dangerous brou I don't know if I'm making it home.

731
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 4: Every day I get in my house and I think, already, God,

732
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 4: and it's crazy, the honorable minutes, the little faircule that

733
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 4: I can go out, go out there and attempt to

734
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 4: make a difference, because it's not going to change unless

735
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 4: some of us go there and help our people. So

736
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 4: we can't sit back and keep having conversations and particificating

737
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 4: about a mythical solution to what the hell of problem is.

738
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 4: And I'm mentioning this every time on your show is

739
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 4: like a doctor diagnosing the patient that he haven't seen.

740
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 4: How there you gonna tell me what's going on or

741
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 4: how could I explain to the audience in yourself what's

742
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 4: going on in the street from my home is impossible.

743
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 4: So everybody's podcast, this podcast, that this fond is dangerous

744
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 4: because a lot of us has got so lazy that

745
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 4: we're on podcast. We got something to say, but you

746
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 4: want to go to some people that need to hear it.

747
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 4: That's what I'm talking about.

748
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: Right there, because I got a tweet question. Interesting tweet

749
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: question because because I know you've been targeting the young

750
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Speaker 1: people who are involved in legal activities on the streets

751
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: of Washington, d C. The tweeter says, brother Darrel, where

752
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: are the parents of these young people? Why do we

753
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: accept them kicking the can down the road and looking

754
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: for the public to raise their children? Why blame the politicians?

755
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: Shouldn't you be blaming the parents.

756
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 4: Well, when you talk about the destruction of the black family, man,

757
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 4: when you talk about the destruction of the black family

758
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 4: and how crack destroyed many and my generation, and how

759
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 4: they have now suck an sets and these other drugs,

760
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 4: h synthetic drugs that destroying the mind of our babies.

761
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 4: Now we have been legalized Washington, DC, and it's sad

762
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 4: for me. Man, you can't go on the bus, you

763
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 4: can't go in the store without eleven, twelve and thirteen

764
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 4: years old smelling like weed. That's not by coincidence. So

765
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 4: we keep talking about parents. Yeah, even then they got parents.

766
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 4: These This is a different kind of young people. And

767
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 4: that's why I think the honorable Minutes of Louis Ferricon

768
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 4: for me. I don't know about nobody else, because one

769
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 4: thing I learned listening to that man. He say, Unfortunately,

770
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 4: no matter how much we teach our youth, sometimes life

771
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 4: just has to teach them. And I'm one of them.

772
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 4: I shit that statement. Life had to teach me. I

773
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 4: come up in the middle class home bounce. I'm from Maryland,

774
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 4: New Canton nineteen seventy through nineteen seventy three. We was

775
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 4: the first black family that moved between the landover New Carleton.

776
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 4: I'm sixty seven years old and white folks calling me

777
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 4: all kind of in words, and I'm the hell was this?

778
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 4: I remember in seventy seven, I mean seventy six, when

779
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 4: Rooks came out. I had to ask my mom and

780
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 4: fac kid, I'm looking at Rooth's correction. You know I

781
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 4: ain't in the conscience of ten years old. So these

782
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 4: days just charmatized whether they got a mama or daddy.

783
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 4: And remember mom and daddy is not don't know how

784
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 4: to really be a mom and daddy because plant parenthood,

785
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 4: they didn't planned the print of this house. But now

786
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 4: they are here. So now that they are here, we

787
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 4: got to step in the ones that know. That's the reality.

788
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: Is what is the answer is it? Is it the

789
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: parents who we need to reach to have conversations with

790
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: or should we be out there trying to create some

791
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: jobs for the youngsters.

792
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 3: Well it's a holistic approach.

793
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 4: We have to more so than anything to established relationship

794
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 4: but our brothers and sisters as parents and at the

795
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 4: same time create John's This is the twenty first century.

796
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 4: So it's not like even when I was a child.

797
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 4: The things not only did they want. Even when it

798
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 4: comes down to jobs, you can't give nobody no twenty

799
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 4: twenty five dollars in this economy. That's why all of

800
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 4: our people, even the parents, is over the landover there.

801
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 4: They're moving, all black people because at the end of

802
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 4: the day, we don't have the money to stay in Washington, DC.

803
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 4: So it's the clocktail of things This is not just

804
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 4: one thing when it comes to dealing with our people.

805
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 3: See.

806
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 4: So the thing about it is you would know things

807
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 4: like that doctor would diagnose if you go out, you

808
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 4: will know. This is how I can help, because we

809
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 4: can to allow people to keep a lazy dependent on

810
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 4: government to do what us where we can do for self.

811
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Speaker 4: That's why I'm most someone Jemhammad say the Muslim program,

812
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 4: we got a bunch some program. They ain't Muslim from

813
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 4: the traditional religious perspective. We got a program. And that's

814
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 4: why I mentioned the Honorable Minister Lewis Farcon beyond woman's

815
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 4: Louis Furriclon represents our people, our people, whether you're in

816
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 4: the nation or not, whether you're conscious or not, whether

817
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 4: you he Brew Israelite, it ain't have nothing to do

818
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 4: with the religious aspect of it. You're a black man

819
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 4: in America, you're a black woman in America. And one

820
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 4: thing about it. You can't be a black man in

821
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,959
Speaker 4: America or a black woman in America. And you see

822
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 4: the suffering of your people. And I remember watching takes

823
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 4: in nineteen sixty three, in nineteen sixty four with them brothers.

824
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 4: They just couldn't stand it when they was putting the

825
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 4: water holes on them. Brothers and sisters, they were coming

826
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 4: above the walls. Wagan, brother, we don't have that spirit

827
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 4: of liberation no more. And it's the thing with a

828
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 4: lot of us. I keep talking about crisis management. It's

829
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 4: picking up people's helping, but it's not enough. So now

830
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 4: dealing with the politics of it. The midterms is this

831
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 4: year there's gonna be a whole lot of politics. And

832
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 4: that's why I talk about leaderships. You see good shepherd,

833
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 4: as the honor bul Minister Louis Fary Khan taught us.

834
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 4: He said, Washington, you call your shepherd because even your

835
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 4: shadow leaves you in the dark. So we have if

836
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 4: nothing else, will represent our people. Telling with the condition

837
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 4: in which the tweeter tweet it, well, you know.

838
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: What, five away from the top, there were compound break real.

839
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,959
Speaker 1: But let me address this issue that you mentioned about

840
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: the politicians at the mid terms, because it's gonna be

841
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: the political landscape is going to change in Washington, d C.

842
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: There's so many open seats on all levels, from the

843
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: Mayor's office all the way down. You are you going

844
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,959
Speaker 1: to engage with some of these candidates who are running

845
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: for officers to do something about the crime rate.

846
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 4: Well, dagream every day, doctor J Kendrick McDuffie. All of

847
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 4: them got from this weight We're in the street, brother,

848
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 4: and I'm not playing with nobody. Vote, no vote, say

849
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 4: I ain't. No vote will get us out of the condition.

850
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 4: I'm round all of them in DC. I'm real, Ray Boze,

851
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 4: I'm round all of them. Call them this weighty?

852
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: And what are they saying, Darrel? Do they see it

853
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: as a problem like you see it? You see it

854
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: as a major problem. Do they see it as a

855
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: major problem?

856
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, they see as a major it. But what the

857
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 4: politics of it is? If you got five percent of

858
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 4: people that can change the bank a bite lane. So

859
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 4: we don't have nothing to give our politicians. We don't

860
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 4: have no money to fund their campaigns. That's why don't

861
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 4: give them on no politics, seez.

862
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 3: And this is the thing.

863
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 4: I was away with a brother yesterday that Mary browsa

864
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 4: give millions of dollars to millions And we had a

865
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 4: conversation because the last four weeks some of the people

866
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 4: that wanted to continue to donate it, they didn't donate

867
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 4: this time because they didn't want to be ordered it.

868
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 4: That's why I talked about this phone. Where did he

869
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 4: get the money from? See? And this is what I'm saying.

870
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 4: We got to stop all of this and jealously didn't

871
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 4: be of one another. We're not gonna be able to

872
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 4: get nothing done. So you're really really trying to get

873
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 4: the brother ordered it too, because he won't give you

874
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 4: some of the money, you know. So it's that kind

875
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 4: of stuff amongst us that it's hard to compromise with

876
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 4: because I'm not talking tomizing with it. That's what I'll

877
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 4: be talking about on the radio on your show'd to

878
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 4: deal with this stuff in Washington, DC. So when you

879
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 4: say hocking and people help, okay, you can help by

880
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 4: supporting those that you know that can earn your trust.

881
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 4: You just don't trust you trust, but verified. We have

882
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 4: to earn one another's trust because there's the honorable not

883
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 4: to Muhammad Tadas. You can turn devil overnight and you

884
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 4: can hold throw.

885
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: Right there, Brother Diaryl because we got to check the

886
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: traffic and weather in a different cities. When we come back,

887
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: I'll let you finish up. Family. Youtubo can join us

888
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: on this conversation with Brother Diarrel Muhammed. As I mentioned,

889
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: he's on is on a crusade now for years, trying

890
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: to reduce the crime rate in Washington, DC's working with

891
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: our young people in the streets. What are your thoughts.

892
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: Do you have any ideas how we can reduce the

893
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: crime rate. Reach out to us at eight hundred four

894
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take

895
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: your phone calls after we take the traffic and weather

896
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: in a different cities. That's an next and Grand Rising family,

897
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: thanks of waking up with us on this Tuesday morning.

898
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: I guess there's brother Diarrel Mohammad out of Washington, DC.

899
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: He's uh as I mentioned, he's on a crusade to

900
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: reduce the crime weight in the district and coming up shortly,

901
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna speak with the Charles Johnson. He's got an

902
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: interesting story he wants to share with us. Well, Brother

903
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: Dyrel is out there in the streets of the district

904
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: talking to our young people, it says jobs as part

905
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: of the solution, and also having conversations with the parents

906
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: of these young people. But Sister Shana is checking in

907
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 1: from Baltimore, has a question or comment for Brother Darrel.

908
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 1: Grand Rising. Sister Shena, you're with Darrel Mohammad.

909
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 6: Grand rising to you both. Thank you so much for

910
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 6: taking my call. I would just like to comment and

911
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 6: ask the question that the Honorable Lewis farkhon. I believe

912
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 6: that he taught us with thea Milliamre March our power

913
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 6: that can help us economically and heal our trauma. But

914
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 6: the gap needs to me it needs to be bridged

915
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 6: from those who have the economics to those who are

916
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 6: dealing with the trauma to help us heal by giving

917
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 6: to those institutions such as yours and those many of

918
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 6: those here in.

919
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 7: Baltimore to help us do the work, because we cannot

920
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 7: be successful without economics in changing our young people lives

921
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 7: or adults because you know, it's so many people that

922
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 7: are dealing with trauma that financially they can't do abcdal E,

923
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 7: which is creating the criminal element.

924
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: Is there a question there is that the question is

925
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: Sister Shina?

926
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I wonder him respond.

927
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, thank you for your call, Brother Dyrell.

928
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: Your response to what sister Shina just.

929
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 4: Said, Yeah, she absolutely she absolutely right, my brother, because

930
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 4: traumatize people, traumatize people, and as a people, brother, we

931
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 4: have been traumatized and this is why the stress level

932
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 4: of us is so high. It's even in our children. So,

933
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 4: as she said, we got to get a home to

934
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 4: this mental health issues that we have as a family,

935
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 4: as a people, because it's hard to live in this country.

936
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 4: That's one thing. And like she just said, it's gonna

937
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 4: take finance. Everything takes finance. By the call to thing

938
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 4: about it is who cares enough? Because the our honorable

939
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 4: Minister Louis Firecaon told us pulled our resources we have

940
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 4: in the midst of the black Man economic program. We'll

941
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 4: spend treatmions of dollars, millions of dollars on tennis shoes

942
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 4: and alcohol and cigarettes and immterial things, on material things.

943
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,479
Speaker 4: When it comes down to self improvement, we just won't

944
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 4: do it. And this is why I talked about giving

945
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 4: our youth, for giving our people information, to give us

946
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 4: a chance. We don't even want to read no more.

947
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 4: You see, there's only through reading that we can enhance

948
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 4: our intelligence. It's so easy now with the telephone, you

949
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 4: could do what you want. You ain't even have to

950
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 4: read nothing. And this is the thing that they have

951
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 4: taken away, the natural aspects. As sister was saying or

952
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 4: alluding to even traumatizing. I watch a lot of times

953
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 4: brouh so many accidents, car accidents because we're on the phone,

954
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 4: can't get the phone down. So and when you even

955
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 4: listen to what's going on on social media. But it's

956
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 4: so sad when you go on Facebook and these platforms,

957
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 4: the conversation that we're having with one another. We have

958
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 4: to get on there and degrade one another to the

959
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 4: point that it becomes a sesspool. Now that you can't

960
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 4: even go on social media just to see what's going

961
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 4: on as a light person, as a conscious person without

962
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 4: trying to filter through it, not understanding that we're being traumatized.

963
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 4: You watch the news, nobody did nothing good. There's always

964
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 4: something bad transpind regardless of wit cham. So we have

965
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 4: to learn how to pull back from all of that.

966
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 4: Just somebody, like sister said, somebody have to start from

967
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 4: the perspective of how to do it process. It's easy

968
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 4: to talk about what is the process. So a lot

969
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 4: of us in the Nation of Islam going to get

970
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 4: the dynamics scientology, so many of us has ordered us

971
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 4: now because the things that transpired in our life now

972
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 4: remember calling it the twenty three years that they're fifteen

973
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 4: years in solitary confinement, don't you know for me to

974
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 4: resist and save my mind inside a sale twenty three

975
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 4: hours a day and coming home the way that I

976
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 4: came home, people looking at me crazy.

977
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: So I r you know at a time here brother,

978
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: and for your personal success, will applaud you. But we

979
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: still want to figure out how before I let you go,

980
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: how can folks help you because you're out, you've been

981
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 1: out and you've been trying to reduce the crime rate

982
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. How can folks reach you if

983
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: they want to help you in your crusade.

984
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 4: Well, they can reach me by calling this number two

985
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 4: oh two two seven four zero four to four.

986
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 5: Women.

987
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 4: Let me slow it down one time, cause I learned

988
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 4: from you two O two through seven for zero four

989
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 4: four one.

990
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: Thank you all right, and thank you Darren. I'm thank

991
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: you for the work that you do, man, because somebody's

992
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: got to do something about especially working with our young people.

993
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 1: So I appreciate what you do for us in Washington, DC.

994
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 4: It's picking up brother. Anytime you see Joe J. Cole

995
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 4: and they talking about f the streets like that, brother

996
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 4: is a paradamn shift. Now with this hip hop and

997
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 4: people poured twenty one Savage back. He was with Jake

998
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 4: Cole saying, f the streets the answer street poured them

999
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 4: back together. You can see is a war going on.

1000
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 4: Is a struggle going on even with hip hop because

1001
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 4: they selling porson. So the good angels in the nature

1002
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 4: of him to say, Okay, I'm gonna stop making this

1003
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 4: music like that. I know these young brothers hearing and

1004
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 4: they killed him one another. Then somebody got to him.

1005
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 4: Now he's saying, ah, okay, keep making my music. That's

1006
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 4: what's going on. Is the struggle now. Who want to win?

1007
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 3: That's the key.

1008
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 4: So we got to support those that's in the struggle.

1009
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: Sir, Thank you, brother Direl, and thank you for the

1010
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: work that you do. All right, family, let's move on.

1011
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: Eight minutes after topw Charles Johnson is joining us and

1012
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: Grand Rising.

1013
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 8: Charles.

1014
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,439
Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome to the program.

1015
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 4: Brother Carl. It's so good to be with you this morning.

1016
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

1017
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 9: First of all, I just want to thank you for

1018
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 9: just being a soldier on the front lines for our

1019
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 9: people for so long. Whether so it's them to be

1020
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 9: here with you in your audience this morning.

1021
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: Well, you're a nationally recognized mental health advocate. But you

1022
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: you took a route to get there. So Charles, give

1023
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: us a little bit out of your background and what happened.

1024
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, yes, sir, yes, sir. So you know I always

1025
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 9: start by just letting people know I was fortunate enough

1026
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 9: called to meet a woman absolutely changed my links when

1027
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 9: we talk about my wife here talking about women. That

1028
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 9: was Sunshine for sign of five, you know, spoke five languages,

1029
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 9: She had a policy license, you know, travel the world.

1030
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 9: And you know, I'll tell you straight shoes out of

1031
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 9: my league. And so I always want to be a dad.

1032
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 9: So we welcomed our first son in April in September

1033
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 9: twenty fourteen. Shortly after that, we decided we wanted to

1034
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 9: grow our family, and so we welcomed our We were

1035
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 9: respecting our son, Langston in April of twenty sixteen, and

1036
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 9: so we walked into Cedar Sinai Hospital in Los Angeles, California,

1037
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 9: for the birth of our son on April twelfth of

1038
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 9: twenty sixteen. Expected Carl to be the happiest day of

1039
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 9: our lives, and we walked straight into a nightmare.

1040
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 3: We went in.

1041
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 9: It was supposed to be a routine scheduled experience session

1042
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 9: at our doctor's recommendation. It's important to understand we went

1043
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 9: around two o'clock in the afternoon. Our son was born

1044
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 9: perfectly healthy, ten fingers, ten toes, and you know, the

1045
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 9: same thing we had prayed for, everything we had helped for.

1046
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 9: After that, Shortly after that, they took us back to recovery,

1047
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 9: which is normal in the necessarian section, and that's when

1048
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 9: things took a turn for the Wakira was their resting.

1049
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 9: Carl I began to notice blood in her fully cast

1050
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 9: by her bedside, and so I bought that to the

1051
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 9: attention of the doctors and the nurses at Puter Sinai.

1052
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,240
Speaker 9: They came in, they examined her physically, they ran some tests,

1053
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 9: and very importantly, they ordered the set scan stat and

1054
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 9: for an interest of time this morning, what took place

1055
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 9: over the next ten hours, nearly ten years later, is

1056
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 9: still hard for me to comprehend. My wife was allowed

1057
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 9: to bleed internally for more than ten hours, while myself

1058
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 9: and my family begged and pleaded for the hospital to

1059
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 9: take action, for them to do something, for them to

1060
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 9: dodate her pain, for them to address our concerns, and

1061
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 9: I pleased for help fell on deaf ears. Keep in mind,

1062
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 9: carus I mentionally went in at two o'clock for that delivery.

1063
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 9: It wasn't until after midnight that they finally took her

1064
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 9: back to surgery to address the concerns. And after she'd

1065
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 9: been there been bleeding internally for ten hours, and when

1066
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 9: they took her back into surgery and they opened her up,

1067
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 9: her heart stopped immediately. She found she had three leaders

1068
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 9: of blood in her absinence. We were talking about woman

1069
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 9: that was barely one hundred pounds. They worked on her

1070
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 9: for some time, but they were unable to save her.

1071
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 9: And so when my wife went into that operating room,

1072
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 9: that was the last time I saw her alive. We

1073
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 9: don't want everybody to understand this before you move on.

1074
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: Man, that's a story that you just shared with us.

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00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: Did they ignore your request, because you know, if that doctors,

1076
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: so they figure they know everything when it comes to

1077
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: with surgery and all of that. And you're just a guy,

1078
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: You're just a regular pressure. You didn't go to med school.

1079
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: Is that what they ignored it? Or was it something else?

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00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 9: So you know, and I'm so glad you brought that

1081
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 9: question up. Is that I think they're layers. But I

1082
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 9: think that the reality of the situation, I'm gonna say,

1083
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 9: I'm gonna say it plaining if my wife had been white,

1084
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 9: she would be with her sons today. The reality of

1085
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 9: the situation is far too often in these situations, the

1086
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 9: greatest factor that African American mothers are facing is not

1087
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 9: racist racism. And what I earned after this happened, because

1088
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 9: I'll be honest with you, Carl, when this first happened,

1089
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 9: I thought that this was an anomaly. I'm thinking, this

1090
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 9: doesn't happen to women that are healthy, have access to

1091
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 9: quality care, have a husband that is there, did not

1092
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 9: leave her side for a minute, right. I thought that

1093
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 9: we had, honest to God, Carl, I can say with

1094
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 9: all convictions that I truly thought we had done everything right.

1095
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 9: But it wasn't enough to make sure that she walked out.

1096
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 9: But what happened in the days after here is passing.

1097
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 9: I began to hear these other stories, Carl, of other

1098
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 9: families that had had these horrific birth experiences, other mothers

1099
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 9: that had experienced of stetrim violence, other families that unfortunately

1100
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 9: had made that ultimate sacrifice just trying to give the

1101
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 9: gift of right and That's why I begin to the

1102
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 9: research for myself. When I came to understand what I

1103
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 9: know that you understand, brother, and I know that a

1104
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 9: lot of your listeners may understand, but some of you

1105
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 9: may not. Is that right here in the United States,

1106
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 9: we lead the industrialized world and mothers dying. And Chopper,

1107
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 9: let me say that again. It is more dangerous to

1108
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 9: give birth in the United States than it is in Haiti,

1109
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 9: than it is in many parts of Africa, than it

1110
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 9: is in many parts of South and Central America, cities

1111
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 9: that we consider third world nations. But when we take

1112
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 9: a look even deeper, and this is what I need

1113
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 9: our community to understand, is that black women are dying

1114
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 9: four than five times more often as their Caucasian counterparts.

1115
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 4: And so I didn't know. I was shocked by this,

1116
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 4: right and I was, I was, I was right there, child.

1117
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: Why Why are our sisters dying more than the other?

1118
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 3: Great question?

1119
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 4: Great question?

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Speaker 9: And what it really comes down to, it is the

1121
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 9: inability of a system that was never designed for us

1122
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 9: to see us and validate us as as really human.

1123
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 9: There is even going all the way back to the likes,

1124
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 9: and you know, we could go down the history line

1125
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 9: and we talk about the likes of Jay Mary and

1126
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 9: Sims was the God's father of stetrics in this country

1127
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 9: who perspected his sutical techniques on enslaved black women without anesthesia. Right,

1128
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 9: they are still today in modern day textbooks, there are

1129
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 9: clinicians are being taught that black people and black women

1130
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 9: particularly have higher pain tolerance. And so there are other

1131
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 9: things we there are things like cardiomyopathy and other issues.

1132
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 9: The bottom line, I spend almost every day fighting this

1133
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 9: fight and in support of other families. And when I

1134
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 9: hear the stories of other mothers that are lost, we

1135
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 9: hear the same thing over again.

1136
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Speaker 10: Carl.

1137
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: It is it is for a second child, for seconds

1138
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: up on a break man. We can't do a drive

1139
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,479
Speaker 1: by on this one. Why is it that they feel

1140
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: that our sisters have a have a higher threshold of pain?

1141
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: Is this something coming from that some some remnants of

1142
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: slavery or something that they beat us.

1143
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 3: Yes, it is rooted, Yes it is.

1144
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 9: There is literally modern day textbooks that have been in

1145
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 9: medical schools in the past years literally profess that black

1146
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 9: skin is thicker and that black people have higher pain. Commers,

1147
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 9: this is the modern American medical system, Carl. This is

1148
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 9: hidden in plain sight. This is what clinicians have been taught.

1149
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 9: Then you couple that with bias, right, and when there's

1150
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 9: a disconnect, Even people who are well attentioned have we

1151
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 9: call implicit bias, meaning that these are unintentional biases, but

1152
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 9: they don't even register that. When a woman that comes

1153
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 9: in there, who present a certain way, who may be

1154
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 9: from their community, expresses pain, their empathy unintentionally kicks in

1155
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 9: in a way that it doesn't for our people. Does

1156
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 9: that makes sense, and so they are more prone to

1157
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 9: assist her, to validate her concerns, to give her comfort,

1158
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 9: to intervene, when oftentimes when it is our women and

1159
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,919
Speaker 9: it's our community, it is, oh, you know what, let's

1160
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 9: just wait and see, right it is it's not that bad.

1161
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: Well yeah, all I thought, childes because this is really deep, right,

1162
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: what you're saying right here, And it's all on different

1163
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: levels too. Part of the problem is they can identify

1164
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: with a white person, whether it be a person who

1165
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: commits a crime or do just anything anything white, they

1166
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: can identify with that person, so they feel that's their child,

1167
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: that's his sister, their daughter, But when they see us,

1168
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: they can't identify with us. So we're different. They think

1169
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: we're different. So I want you to I want you

1170
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: to discuss that when we get back. We got to

1171
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: take a short break. It's seventeen minutes after the top.

1172
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:33,919
Speaker 1: They have family brother Charles Johnson with us are telling

1173
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: his story and this is this is just a tip

1174
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: of the story. Family. You know, they'll tell you what

1175
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: this did to him and made him an advocate for

1176
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: men's mental health. You want to get us in on

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01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: this discussion, reach out to us at eight hundred four

1178
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll taking

1179
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for starting

1180
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: your Tuesday with us. Are twenty minutes after the top.

1181
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: That with Charles Johnson. Charles is becoming an international and

1182
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 1: nationally known a motivational speaker, and it all started with

1183
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 1: a personal tragedy with his wife. And he shared that

1184
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: with us how his wife was treated going after childbirth

1185
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 1: because some in the medical of people at Cedar Sinai

1186
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles just really didn't believe that she was

1187
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 1: she was that sick, and you know, he was telling

1188
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: her that she was bleeding internal bleeding and they sort

1189
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: of ignored him. And again we talked about some of

1190
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: these clinicians. They think that, uh, that us black people

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01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: have a high threshold for pain. I'm just wondering if

1192
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: that is coming from somewhere in Slavery. How they beat

1193
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: us so badly and we still hear so it may

1194
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 1: be something in their in their psyche that believes that way.

1195
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: But even so, they treat us differently. And that's what

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01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: I was saying before the break, Charles, because they don't

1197
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: see they they could not identify with with your wife.

1198
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: They don't identify with me where they see me, or

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01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: they don't don't identify with black people. When when the

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01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: young man shot up the school, shout out the church

1201
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: in in in South Carolina, they want and got him

1202
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: some hamburgers. Do you think they have done that to

1203
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: a brother because they saw him as their nephew, you know,

1204
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: or their son. They don't see they see us differently.

1205
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: So I just wanted the family understand what's going on here.

1206
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: But Charles, please continue, Yes.

1207
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 9: Sir, So, yeah, you're right, and I think you're right.

1208
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 9: This is a deep conversation, Carl and it does go back,

1209
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 9: you know, to when we first got to this country.

1210
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 9: And understand that as I was mentioning before the break,

1211
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 9: is that you know, what we see in the maternal

1212
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 9: health system is the type of the iceberg of what

1213
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 9: we see across healthcare in the United States. We talk

1214
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 9: about health care disparities, and I want people to know,

1215
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 9: and it's very important for our listeners to understand, is

1216
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 9: that we talk about these statistics about black women dying.

1217
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 9: You know, they would have you believe that these women

1218
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 9: were losing oftentimes carl or we're losing them because they

1219
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 9: don't have access to care. These women that are poor,

1220
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 9: that aren't diligent about their prenatal care and are at

1221
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 9: quote unquo or these are mothers that are high risk.

1222
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:06,960
Speaker 9: But actually, first of all, I want to be clear

1223
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 9: that however a mother shows up to give birth, whatever

1224
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 9: her economic status is, whatever her background is, she deserves

1225
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 9: dignity and respect. But what I want people to understand is,

1226
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 9: if we look closer, there's actually that of it shows

1227
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 9: that black women with college with a college education, with

1228
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 9: a graduate and postgraduate degrees are actually dying rates higher

1229
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 9: than white women who are living below the poverty line.

1230
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 9: Let that sink him for a second. So what we

1231
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 9: have to understand is that there is nothing, and they

1232
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 9: wrong with these sisters that is causing them to die

1233
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 9: because they are black. Because racism, as you know, Carl,

1234
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 9: is not a biological condition. It's simply a social construct. Right,

1235
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 9: So we have to take a look at what it is.

1236
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 9: Is that is that we have to make sure that

1237
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 9: we armed and empower families with the tools resources they

1238
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 9: need to make sure that they understand how to go

1239
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 9: into not just birthing situations, but any medical situation, informed

1240
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,439
Speaker 9: and empowered to support their loved ones.

1241
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: All right, tell us how this what happened that that

1242
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 1: tragedy with your wife, How that turned you into become

1243
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: a spokespress, a national and sports for men's mental health.

1244
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: How did that trigger them?

1245
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 9: Yes, sir so, Yes, sir so. For me, when this happened,

1246
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 9: like I said, I didn't know. I was shocked that

1247
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 9: this was going on, right. I was thinking to myself,

1248
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 9: how are we losing this many women? And how is

1249
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 9: it that seems like this is America's dirty little secret.

1250
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 9: So I didn't know what I could do, but I

1251
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 9: felt like I had to do something. I felt like

1252
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 9: I owed it to cure and importantly, Carl, I felt

1253
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 9: like I owed it to my sons right, and so

1254
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 9: I began to share cure story publicly, hoping to raise awareness,

1255
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 9: and her story, along with the story of a lot

1256
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 9: of other sisters that we've lost, have become the catalyst

1257
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 9: for what I call them a rental health revolution. So

1258
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 9: we founded an organization called Four Care of Four Moms

1259
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 9: in honor of my wife care, but also in honor

1260
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 9: of every other mother that has made that ultimate sacrifice

1261
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 9: and has lost her life giving birth. And so we

1262
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 9: have a clear mission, and it is to eradicate the

1263
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 9: maternal mortality crisis in the United States. And we have

1264
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 9: a clear goal of zero preventable deaths from pregnancy and

1265
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 9: pregnancy related causes by the year twenty thirty. And so

1266
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 9: we do this by three distinct ways, three distinct kind

1267
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 9: of institutional pillars. It's education, advocacy, and education advocacy, and legislation.

1268
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 9: And so we've passed federal legislation and state legislation to

1269
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 9: improve frontal health outcomes. We work to educate providers on

1270
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 9: how to address those biases, how to show up, how

1271
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 9: to be able to see the humanity in your parents,

1272
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, in your patients, how to build patient trust.

1273
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 9: And then we also fight to make sure that we

1274
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 9: support families that have been impacted by mothers. You know,

1275
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 9: every day we reach out to families that have lost

1276
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 9: mothers giving birth. We provide them with resources and support

1277
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 9: them in any way we can, and very importantly the

1278
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 9: mental health aspect, making sure that we're supporting brothers and

1279
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 9: make sure they are captain and having the resources they

1280
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 9: need to re establish themselves and move forward, because you

1281
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 9: can imagine these our men and families whose worlds have

1282
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 9: been turned upside down. And I also want to talk

1283
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 9: a little bit more about the very important role of

1284
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 9: how we're going to fix this, in the role that

1285
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,759
Speaker 9: that fathers and men are going to play and turning

1286
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Speaker 9: this around.

1287
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: All right, before we go to that, your son he

1288
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: heard the story. How old is your son first? And

1289
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: what impact has fan had on him?

1290
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, man, it's you know, I tell the

1291
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 9: story of coming anytime I talk about my kids, it

1292
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 9: always makes me emotional.

1293
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 5: Man.

1294
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 9: So my boys, I actually have two sons, So we

1295
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 9: had my boys, I had a son after we had

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01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 9: a son at the time. So my boys are out

1297
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 9: nine and eleven, Carl and so my son that was

1298
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 9: born that day, his name is Langston and man, he

1299
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 9: is just he's he's such an incredible kid, and you know,

1300
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 9: he's strong, he's kind. You know, he came to this

1301
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 9: world fighting, and but you know, it's it's tough. He

1302
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 9: understands that he was cheated, right, He understands that his

1303
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,639
Speaker 9: mother should be here. He understands that his mother should

1304
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 9: be screaming at his soccer games, right, that should be

1305
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 9: at his school plays, right, this should be his birthday party.

1306
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 3: And so it's tough. I'll be very transparent. It's tough.

1307
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, But let me jump in and ask you, Charles,

1308
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. Does does he feel any

1309
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: responsibility for his mother not being there?

1310
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 11: And no, no, no, no good.

1311
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 9: That's one of the things that I worked very hard

1312
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 9: to make that clear, and that to be I'm glad

1313
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 9: you brought that U because I'm glad we're having a

1314
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 9: very transparent conversation about that. That always has been one

1315
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 9: of my greatest fears, right, is that is that he

1316
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 9: would feel some sort of responsibility. And so that's a

1317
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 9: delicate conversation. But we'll also always gave good that this

1318
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 9: is nothing that was ever your fault, That this is

1319
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 9: people that we trusted with your mother that made some mistakes, right,

1320
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 9: and you know that's not your responsibility. That's my responsibility

1321
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 9: to make sure that they're accountable.

1322
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 12: Right.

1323
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 3: Your responsibility is to live a life that your mother's

1324
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 3: proud of.

1325
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: Wow, that's good because because you know, I could see

1326
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 1: how we could take it that way growing up. And

1327
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: he mentioned missing mom and soccer games and recitals and

1328
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and I said, wow, if it wasn't

1329
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 1: for me, mom would be here or the other children,

1330
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't for you, man, you know, and then make

1331
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 1: it tease that way. So I'm glad you gave him

1332
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 1: some help, because if not, they should have got some

1333
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 1: some sort of counseling. But for yourself, did you did

1334
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: you have to have counseling after this?

1335
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 4: Oh?

1336
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:54,639
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, yes, sir. Yeah.

1337
01:10:54,760 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 9: No for me, you know, therapy has been critical component

1338
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 9: of me moving forward and still to this day it's

1339
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:08,879
Speaker 9: ten years, man, I'm still still working. It's an ongoing process.

1340
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 9: And I think for me also, having this finding purpose

1341
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 9: in this fight gives me a way to direct a

1342
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 9: lot of those feelings, those feelings that are dark, those

1343
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 9: feeling is that a pain and regret of anger, right

1344
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 9: of loss. But I'm able to channel those into something

1345
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 9: that I can see tangible results in. Right, there's so

1346
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 9: many things called about my life that I wish were different,

1347
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 9: that I are beyond my control. But the things that

1348
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 9: I can control and that I can see tangible results

1349
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:40,680
Speaker 9: in are my sons and this work to make our

1350
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:42,599
Speaker 9: country a better, safer place for mothers and babies.

1351
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 1: Thirty minutes, I have the top of that family just

1352
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 1: checking in. I guess, as Charles Johnson having a discussion here,

1353
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:50,919
Speaker 1: have we turned a personal tragedy into becoming an advocate

1354
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:55,759
Speaker 1: for me's mental health? So, Charles being transparent, as you mentioned,

1355
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 1: what were some of the issues that you had, you know,

1356
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 1: going forward after the tragedy, you know that you had

1357
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 1: to seek counseling.

1358
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 9: I mean, you know, I just just anger, man. I

1359
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 9: think that for me, I dealt with every day, even

1360
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 9: still often that I replay what happened that day and

1361
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 9: I think what could I have done differently? I think, well,

1362
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 9: you know, because we had just relocated to Los Angeles,

1363
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 9: and I think, you know, what if we had stayed

1364
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 9: in Atlanta, you know, did I miss something when I

1365
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 9: was choosing these doctors?

1366
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 4: Should I have.

1367
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 9: Grabbed one of the doctors by their college. I've slammed

1368
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 9: my hands on the nursing station, but I wanted to

1369
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 9: also understand we talk about this, we have to have

1370
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 9: a transparent conversation about the lived experiences of black people,

1371
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 9: and particularly black men in these types of situations when

1372
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 9: you're advocating for a love and whether it's with law enforcement,

1373
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 9: whether it's in the medical system. Because the reality of

1374
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 9: the situation is Carl as a black father in a

1375
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,640
Speaker 9: situation where I was advocating for my wife and I

1376
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 9: was begging and pleading the staff to help, I didn't

1377
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 9: have the same latitude that a white father would. Does

1378
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 9: that make sense Because the moment that I raised my voice,

1379
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 9: the moment that I slammed my fist on the nursing station,

1380
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 9: I become I'm no longer a concerned husband. I'm a threat,

1381
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,400
Speaker 9: right and as angry and frustratings are was and I'll

1382
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 9: share this, I haven't really shared this a lot publicly.

1383
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 9: You want to know what my wife kept on telling

1384
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 9: me when when her condition was deteriorating, and when she

1385
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 9: was when she was in so much pain. You know,

1386
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 9: she kept telling me. She kept telling me, baby, please

1387
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 9: stay calm, because even at her most vulnerable point. She

1388
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 9: was concerned for me as a black man in that

1389
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 9: hospital because she knew what would happen. And I'm not

1390
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 9: We've spent you don't know me well, but you know

1391
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 9: me well enough to know that I'm not.

1392
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 4: I'm not.

1393
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 9: I'm not a meek person, right, I'm very you know,

1394
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:51,440
Speaker 9: I'm very intent. I'm very deliberate about the way I communicate,

1395
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 9: particularly around the people that I love. And the only

1396
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:57,680
Speaker 9: thing that I that I can think that could have

1397
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 9: been worse than what happened that day is had I

1398
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 9: been arrested or detained and then my wife passed and

1399
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 9: I wasn't I wasn't there.

1400
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 1: And hold of though, right there, Charles, because we understand

1401
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: what you didn't want to be. It's twenty eight minutes

1402
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:14,560
Speaker 1: away from the top there by the way family, and

1403
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: Charles Johnson is I guess. Charles is sharing with us

1404
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 1: how a personal tragedy turned him to becoming an advocate

1405
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 1: for men's mental health. And this is how it all started.

1406
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 1: At the time, when you were pleading for them to

1407
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 1: help your wife, you understood that if you took it

1408
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: to another level, you'd be the angry black man you'd be.

1409
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 1: You know, just going nuts in at the nursing station

1410
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,680
Speaker 1: and looking for a doctor and let him to take

1411
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:41,600
Speaker 1: your Why do you ever regret that you didn't go

1412
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 1: that step?

1413
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 9: Further though, I do, I think I do think if

1414
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:50,600
Speaker 9: I had. Now, let's be clear, I was not, you know,

1415
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 9: meek by any sense. I was persistent. I was, you know, relentless.

1416
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 9: I was going, hey, look where's going on? I need

1417
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 9: my question. Somebody needs to answer my questions?

1418
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 3: Right? But I wonder if, you know, if there was

1419
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 3: something else I could have done. Right.

1420
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 9: But what I realized is now that I am, I

1421
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 9: spent so much time in the system, and I understand

1422
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 9: what could have been done. I didn't need response. I

1423
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 9: needed the tools and the language, and the understanding of

1424
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 9: how to advocate, the understanding of how to escalate, the

1425
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 9: understanding of how to demand a second opinion, right, the

1426
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 9: understanding of what language. And so that's one of the

1427
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 9: things that we do now is we make sure that

1428
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 9: we arm families and particularly fathers, with the tools they

1429
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 9: need to advocate for their family if and when something

1430
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 9: goes wrong.

1431
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 1: Wow, So what when you were going there, when you

1432
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:49,560
Speaker 1: were at that station, obviously you thought you could have

1433
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 1: escalate could have escalated, and did your wife know that

1434
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 1: you were thinking about, you know, not going postal, but

1435
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 1: close to it to get them at least get some

1436
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 1: get somebody's attentions, take care.

1437
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:03,680
Speaker 9: Because she because nobody knows you better than your wife, right,

1438
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 9: And that's what she kept on saying to me, baby,

1439
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 9: Please stay calm, right, please stay calm, because she knew

1440
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 9: that if I had gone off, that what it would

1441
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 9: turn into, right, what would happen? And then she would

1442
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 9: have been there alone. And so she is the same, baby,

1443
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 9: please stay called. And so there's also this thing called

1444
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 9: it's this psychological thing, is it is? When you're asking

1445
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 9: for these things, they're telling you, oh, yes, sir, we're

1446
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 9: it's coming, it's coming, it's coming. So it's this game

1447
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 9: of institutional dismissal and denials, if that makes sense. So

1448
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 9: when you're asking for something, when you're asking for and

1449
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 9: they're telling you, oh, yes, oh we're gonna we're gonna

1450
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 9: call and check on that, let me follow up, and

1451
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 9: you're and you're saying okay, but after a while you're seeing,

1452
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,599
Speaker 9: wait a minute, big person never came, and you're going

1453
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 9: in you're asking, and then you go back out in

1454
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 9: the hall and the person you talk to is no

1455
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:00,560
Speaker 9: longer there, and then it's somebody else that you know

1456
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 9: what I'm saying.

1457
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 3: So it's this.

1458
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 9: It was this game of this sessial and the now

1459
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 9: that took place for ten hours. And you know, like

1460
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 9: I said, I was adamant, you know I was. I

1461
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 9: was assertive.

1462
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 3: But the only thing that I was not that I

1463
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 3: you know, I wasn't physical. You know, I was not

1464
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 3: what I would call irate, but I you know, I.

1465
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this because we're come by

1466
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 1: to break chads. This is interesting. This this, this, this

1467
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: is scenario. Did you share with us at nursing station? Now,

1468
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 1: just about every nursing nurse hospital in this country, you know,

1469
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:39,679
Speaker 1: they've got black nurses. Were any of the nurses sisters

1470
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 1: out there? Did they were they compassionately? Did they agree

1471
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 1: with you? Did they try to work with you? Or

1472
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 1: all their all their other from other races?

1473
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, there was one nurse, So there's interestance. So then

1474
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 9: you have you have you have multiple layers at work.

1475
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 9: Ass So we had when we first arrived, we had

1476
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 9: a sister and a Caucasian nurse that were very kind,

1477
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 9: and you know, instantly I fell in love with Kira.

1478
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 9: But then there was a shift change, right and after

1479
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 9: that shift change, there was you know, we had one

1480
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 9: African American nurse, but she was more of I think

1481
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 9: what they call like the charge nurse, So she wasn't

1482
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 9: our nurse. She came in and stuck her head in.

1483
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 3: From time to time.

1484
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 9: But another aspect of this that I haven't shared a

1485
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,639
Speaker 9: lot publicly to take into account is that Cedar Sinai

1486
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 9: is a teaching hospital. So this is one of the

1487
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 9: most disrespectful parts of what happened to us. Is at

1488
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 9: a certain point when when there's condition began to deteriorate,

1489
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 9: they begin to bring students around just to observe her

1490
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 9: her deteriorating condition. So imagine that you're sitting there in pain,

1491
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 9: and you're sitting there holding your wife's hand, is trying

1492
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:54,600
Speaker 9: to keep her comfortable, and then people come in and

1493
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 9: white boats and don't even introduce themselves, and they start

1494
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 9: talking about her and just observing her. When you see this,

1495
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 9: what's going on with blood pressure? This is what's going on.

1496
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 9: These are the problems. You're saying, Hey, but you don't

1497
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 9: know if they're doctors, you don't know who they are.

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01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 9: But they're students just coming to observe her. Once again,

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01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 9: this goes back to just that lack of empathy and compassion.

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01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 9: And then I'm saying to them, hey, look I need

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01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 9: I need some help. We asked forty five minutes ago

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01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 9: what was going on, and I never got an answer,

1503
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 9: and they're saying, oh, okay, well get it. But I'm

1504
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 9: not understanding that they weren't doctors. They're just students with

1505
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 9: their teacher, just observing. It's so layered, man, and it's

1506
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:33,560
Speaker 9: so unfortunate, and it still makes me just like it

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01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 9: makes my blood boil early in the.

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01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 1: Morning, I'm getting yeah, and so folks are probably feeling

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01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 1: that passion and that pain. Charles, But hold, I thought

1510
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:44,400
Speaker 1: for a second, we got to step asund and get

1511
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:46,640
Speaker 1: caught up with the ladies, news, trafficking weather in that

1512
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 1: different cities. It's twenty three minutes away from the top day. Family.

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01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 1: You want to get in on this conversation with Charles Johnson,

1514
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: who turned this tragedy, as he just told you, into

1515
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 1: a movement into moving for men's mental health. What are

1516
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 1: your thoughts? Reach out to us at eight hundred four

1517
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take

1518
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 1: your calls right after you check the news, trafficking weather

1519
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 1: in our different cities. That's next a Grand Rising family.

1520
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: Thanks for saying that's interesting. Conversation with Charles Johnson. And

1521
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 1: Charles is shared with the tragedy that his wife's death

1522
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,839
Speaker 1: during childbirth and he turned that pain into a purpose,

1523
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: and that purpose is to become an advocate for men's

1524
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 1: mental health. We're getting into that more momentarily, but let

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01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 1: me just remind you. Coming up later this morning, we're

1526
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 1: gonna speak with movie maker Rick Mathis and he's got

1527
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 1: another a story he wants to share with us. He

1528
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 1: came with a near death situation and he turned into

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01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 1: a docu series. And before him, we're going to speak

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01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:39,639
Speaker 1: with attorney j Wendall Gordon. He's known as the Warrior

1531
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 1: Attorney in Baltimore. And late this week you're gonna hear

1532
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: from Grill Doctor James Small will be with us. Also

1533
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:48,799
Speaker 1: Nearly fuller Son Mark will be here and also another

1534
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 1: Mark and Mark from Anaheim will come out of exile

1535
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 1: and it'll join us as well. So if you are

1536
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 1: in Baltimore, make sure you keep you out of that

1537
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: radio locked in tight on ten ten WLB or family

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01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:01,639
Speaker 1: DMV family. We're on fourteen fifty d L. All right, Charles,

1539
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 1: let's go back. Tell us how you changed, how you

1540
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 1: turn this to a positive, this negative into the to

1541
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 1: COVID of your family that you some of that you'll

1542
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 1: never forget, but you've made you turned it from lemiting

1543
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 1: to lemonade. How do you do that?

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01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:16,599
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:18,640
Speaker 9: Absolutely call thank you for that. And so for me,

1546
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:21,840
Speaker 9: all of there's nothing we can do to bring here back.

1547
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:24,760
Speaker 9: The highest honor we can pay her is to do

1548
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 9: everything we can to make sure we send other mothers

1549
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 9: home with their precious babies. And so through this work, man,

1550
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 9: that's what we're dedicated to doing, is making sure that

1551
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 9: every family of the United States has a safe, dignified

1552
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 9: birthing experience. So we do that through passing federal legislation.

1553
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 9: I've had the opportunity to testify before Congress twice. We

1554
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:51,759
Speaker 9: currently next week will be reintroducing a package of bills

1555
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 9: called the Mom the Bus, which is a package of

1556
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 9: thirteen bills that we're looking for passing bipartisan fashion in

1557
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 9: this political climate. Because here's the thing is, even in

1558
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 9: a political climate that's so divisive, surely everybody can believe

1559
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 9: that everybody can can agree fact that America should be

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01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:13,679
Speaker 9: saved for mothers and babies. And if we're failing mothers

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01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 9: and babies, you know, how can we ever profess that

1562
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 9: our country is great?

1563
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 12: Right?

1564
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 3: And so we do that.

1565
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 9: We work to make sure that families are educated and empowered.

1566
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 9: We've developed a lot of we've developed curriculums for medical

1567
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 9: schools to address those biases, to address those problems. We

1568
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 9: work with clinicians inside of hospitals. But very importantly, one

1569
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 9: of the things that I want to share with your audience,

1570
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 9: one of the things programs that we're most excited about

1571
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 9: is a program we found it called for Cure for Dads,

1572
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 9: and especially that because well there's a lot of emphasis

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01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 9: placed on resources and tools and support for mothers and babies,

1574
01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:57,600
Speaker 9: as they're rightfully should be the important aspect of this

1575
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 9: it's left out of these conversations when we talk about solutions,

1576
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 9: is the role that fathers can play card, right, And

1577
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 9: so that's why I want people to understand is that

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01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 9: if we're going to drastically improve maternal outcomes, particularly for

1579
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 9: black women, we want to arm and empower a new

1580
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 9: generation of fathers with the tools and resources they need

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01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 9: to support and be that rightful advocate and critical part

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01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 9: of the care team, not just an observer that isn't

1583
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 9: a visitor. He is a part of that care team

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01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:33,680
Speaker 9: and he should be respected treated as such right and

1585
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 9: so we empower. We've developed a free app. It's free

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01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 9: for everybody to download. It's literally called four Cure four

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01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 9: Dads in the app store, and it takes fathers through

1588
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 9: everything they need to know preconception.

1589
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 3: How do they.

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01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:49,600
Speaker 9: Understand their own health and how does that inform the

1591
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 9: health of the child things, and how they support their

1592
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 9: partner or wife throughout every stage of her pregnancy, and

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01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 9: then how do they support her after she comes home

1594
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:03,959
Speaker 9: from the hospital. How do they recognize post part of depression,

1595
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 9: how do they support it, how do they recognize pre

1596
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,560
Speaker 9: post birth warning signs? And so we're really excited about this.

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01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 9: We also convene in person cohorts across the country and

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01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 9: we help fathers show up and take their rightful place

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01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 9: as that at the head of the family, as that

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01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 9: support system.

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01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:25,639
Speaker 1: And I asked this question ten away from the top

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01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: of the out there because I'll just say that you

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01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:30,599
Speaker 1: are you getting a lot of support from black men,

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01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 1: because you know that that there's rumor out there, a

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01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 1: myth I should say that black men don't care about

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01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 1: our children. We don't care about our other you know,

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01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 1: our wives or girlfriends. You know, we just hit it

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01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 1: miss and we keep on moving. And that's that's the

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01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 1: myth fit's out there. But you're just spelling that mythis

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01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 1: on what you cared about your wife and your children?

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01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 1: Are you getting? You're getting, you know, reports from mother

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01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:54,639
Speaker 1: brothers out there who support what you're doing.

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01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 9: Man, Carly, I literally got goosebumps because you hit it

1614
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 9: right on the head. It is a It is one

1615
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 9: of the biggest mispropagated myths in our society. Statistics show

1616
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 9: that Black fathers are actually more involved than any other race.

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01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 9: Right We read to our children at higher rate than

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01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:16,719
Speaker 9: any other race. Black fathers want to be there. Black

1619
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 9: fathers want to be involved. Black fathers are showing up.

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01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 9: And I'll tell you right now, I am sitting outside

1621
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 9: of the Hotel Koalie in Atlanta, Georgia. Or we are

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01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:29,799
Speaker 9: convening today a conference in Atlanta, Georgia called Love for Dads.

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01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 9: We have almost three hundred fathers and fatherhood coordinators from

1624
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:36,599
Speaker 9: all over the country who have flown here to learn

1625
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 9: from one another, to take resources, tools, best practices back

1626
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 9: to their community on how they can empower fathers. So

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01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 9: I'm so excited with the response that we've gotten. I

1628
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 9: want people to know that the fathers aren't coming, that

1629
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 9: the fathers are here. We are determined to make sure

1630
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 9: that our families are not just surviving, but that we

1631
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:58,839
Speaker 9: are thriving. At the end of the day, we understand

1632
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 9: that we are done putting our faith in systems. We

1633
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 9: are putting our faith in each other. And so I

1634
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 9: could not be more thrilled with the response that we're

1635
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 9: getting from fathers. This tool has been something that has

1636
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 9: been shaped for dads by dad and we're just growing

1637
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 9: and we're building community and we're supporting one another in

1638
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 9: tremendous ways.

1639
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 4: Man.

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01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:22,560
Speaker 9: And please do not believe the hype. Those of you

1641
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:24,840
Speaker 9: all who have been the product of a black father,

1642
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:28,560
Speaker 9: who have seen black fathers at work, understand that we

1643
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 9: show up and we show out and you're going to

1644
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 9: continue to see that.

1645
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 1: Nine away from the top. Uh, we got some listeners

1646
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 1: down in Atlanta. Is it still is? Can they join

1647
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 1: today if they show up?

1648
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1649
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 9: Miss and show up. I would I would advise them.

1650
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 9: You can go to our social media for here for

1651
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:48,639
Speaker 9: moms the number four k I R the number four

1652
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 9: again m O M S H four here four moms

1653
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 9: dot com. You can register. It is free to attend.

1654
01:26:56,200 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 9: We have we have a few spaces available. Please register

1655
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 9: and follow us and keep up with us. We'd love

1656
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 9: to have you all right.

1657
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 1: Eight away from the topic, Mark's joining us from Baltimo

1658
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 1: has a question for it was online one grand rise

1659
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:10,799
Speaker 1: in Margayo. I'm with Charles Johnson.

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01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 13: Yes, good morning, gentlemen, a very important subject. I have

1661
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 13: noticed that in some families, if there is no father

1662
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:24,879
Speaker 13: available or whatever the situation is, sometimes the grandparents involve

1663
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 13: and helping to raise the child. Sometimes aunts and uncles

1664
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 13: sometimes are more extended family members and all that. Do

1665
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 13: you have a particular program for grandparents and those are

1666
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:38,880
Speaker 13: the aunts and uncles that would be helpful to as well,

1667
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 13: because we recognize but it's not always if you don't

1668
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:43,760
Speaker 13: have the partner, and it's the mother's not capable by

1669
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 13: yourself raising the child or children alone, they have to

1670
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 13: have help with in the extended families. So do you

1671
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 13: have something for the extended family members to participate in.

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01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 9: That is a phenomenal question. Thank you so much for

1673
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 9: bringing that because we do want to recognize respect that

1674
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:01,719
Speaker 9: there are a different family dynamics, right and then sometimes,

1675
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:03,640
Speaker 9: like I said, for whatever reason, that father is not

1676
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 9: available and that critical support person does come from a

1677
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:10,719
Speaker 9: friend or a grandparent or monther. So with that being said,

1678
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 9: all of the tools that we develop forefathers can be

1679
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 9: applied by a support person other than the father as well.

1680
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 9: So these same tools, these resources, these techniques that are

1681
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 9: available at our website, that are available on the app

1682
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 9: are widely adoptable. Even though we have focused that those

1683
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:36,960
Speaker 9: tools for fathers, we want to be inclusive of everybody

1684
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 9: and anybody that is willing to show up and support

1685
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 9: that mother. So thank you so much for bringing that up.

1686
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:43,320
Speaker 9: And we want to send a special shout out and

1687
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 9: salute to whoever that that that that care person is

1688
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 9: that's showing up for that family. We appreciate you and

1689
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 9: we value you, so we want to make sure that

1690
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 9: you have those tools as well. Thank you for that question.

1691
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 1: And Charles stick Away from the time and ChEls, how

1692
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 1: can you get this message across How can we amplify

1693
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 1: what you're doing for the rest.

1694
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 9: Of the josy to see now. Thank you so much,

1695
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 9: so please keep up with us on social media. But

1696
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:13,760
Speaker 9: very importantly, have these conversations. Go to the app store

1697
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 9: right now. If you know a father, whether who's just

1698
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 9: had a child, who may be having a child, who

1699
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:20,680
Speaker 9: maybe think about it again, download the app and then

1700
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 9: you know, you can click those three buttons at the

1701
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:24,680
Speaker 9: top and just share it. If you would do me

1702
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 9: a favor, share it. Download the app and share the

1703
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 9: link to the app with five fathers in your community.

1704
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 4: That would go a long way.

1705
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 9: Keep on this and also very importantly, we just got

1706
01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 9: to have these conversations right understanding the risks associated with

1707
01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 9: black women, but very importantly understanding how to empower one

1708
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:44,720
Speaker 9: another with the tools to make sure that we don't

1709
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 9: just survive. I want to be clear, we want to thrive, right.

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Speaker 9: We want every family to have the safe, dignified birthing

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Speaker 9: experience they deserve, and we believe that by empowering families

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01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:58,640
Speaker 9: with the knowledge and tools, we can make sure that

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Speaker 9: they get it all right.

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Speaker 1: Five way for that Tom and now we're gonna attorney.

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01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 1: Come on, miss in excess, I'd be remissed if I

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01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:06,679
Speaker 1: didn't ask you this, did you take legal action against

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01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 1: he to Sinai for what happened?

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Speaker 9: Yes, sir, that's a great question. One of the things

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01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:14,600
Speaker 9: that I'm most proud of it. So for me, you know,

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01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 9: we talk about legal action. Oftentimes people think about, you know,

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01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:23,439
Speaker 9: monetary conversation. So for me, there's nothing that you can

1722
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 9: you can't put a price on something that's priceless. And

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01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:30,640
Speaker 9: so for me, it was all about far beyond accountability

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01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:34,600
Speaker 9: for us, but justice that would change the system. And

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01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 9: so not only did we were we able to bring

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01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:40,719
Speaker 9: an action against them, we actually were able to bring

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01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:45,160
Speaker 9: something that's unprecedented, which is a federal civil rights lawsuit

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01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 9: against Cedar Sinai. And you can you can read about this,

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01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 9: you can research it. And so this is one of

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01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:53,720
Speaker 9: the first times ever that a system of that magnitude

1731
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 9: has been held accountable and have been investigated not just

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01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 9: for a cure's death, but they're treating of people of

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01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 9: color across the board. And so we're continuing to push

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01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:08,320
Speaker 9: step forward. We're continuing to work to hold not just

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01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 9: your Sinai, but systems across the board understanding that if

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01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 9: they're not taking action to address these disparities in the

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01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:20,760
Speaker 9: treatment of people of color. They are complicit in these deaths.

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01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 9: They are complicit in these things, and if you are

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01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 9: going to violate these civil rights, then you should not

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01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 9: receive federal funding. You get where I'm going with this car.

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01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:36,320
Speaker 9: So we are taking this far beyond just accountability for

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01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:39,040
Speaker 9: the deaths of these mothers. We are holding them accountable

1743
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:41,760
Speaker 9: and making sure that if they are not able to

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01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:46,080
Speaker 9: meet a standard of care, that our federal government, our

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01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 9: taxpayer dollars, should not fund these institutions.

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01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 1: All right, Hold that though, right, Dan, We got to

1747
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:52,680
Speaker 1: check the traffic, and we're out different cities. When we

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01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 1: come back, I want to find a couple of things.

1749
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:55,240
Speaker 1: I want to find out if you're going to write

1750
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:57,519
Speaker 1: a book about what happened. And two, when you took

1751
01:31:57,560 --> 01:32:00,840
Speaker 1: this you testified twice before Congress. Did you get any

1752
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:03,559
Speaker 1: pushback or any any of thigs? The lawmakers were kind

1753
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 1: of silent looking the other way when they heard your story.

1754
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:08,759
Speaker 1: What you share that with a family when we get back, family,

1755
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:10,719
Speaker 1: you two can get in all this discussion with Charles

1756
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:12,760
Speaker 1: Johnson to reach out to us at eight hundred four

1757
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:15,559
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take

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01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 1: a phone calls after we check the trafficing weather in

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01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:20,000
Speaker 1: a different cities. That's next and Grand Rising family, thanks

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01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:21,800
Speaker 1: for rolling with us on this Tuesday morning with our

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01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 1: guest at Charles Johnson. And Charles is sharing his story

1762
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 1: how a tragedy losing his wife in child's birth and

1763
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 1: now that turned him to become an advocate for men's

1764
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:34,040
Speaker 1: mental health and all that he had to go through

1765
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:35,960
Speaker 1: and his family go through, and he still says he's

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01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:38,240
Speaker 1: still going through it. What are your thoughts? Eight hundred

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01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:41,720
Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. Sister Kashiba's

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01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 1: calling from Silver Spring and Maryland has a question for

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01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:47,640
Speaker 1: Charles Grand Rising. Sister Kashiba, you're on with Charles Johnson.

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01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:55,240
Speaker 14: Grand Rising, Carl to you and your guests. This is

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01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 14: an excellent, excellent.

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01:32:59,520 --> 01:32:59,880
Speaker 5: Program.

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Speaker 14: This has a lot to do with well, actually I'll

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01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:06,120
Speaker 14: go to my question. My question has to do with

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01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:10,680
Speaker 14: making changes in the training in the medical school. What

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01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:17,720
Speaker 14: what who is making ways or or talking to the

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01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 14: A m A or any other medical training program to

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01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:27,759
Speaker 14: make changes in the way in which people of color

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01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:31,360
Speaker 14: are treated. I don't know what you can do about

1780
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 14: maybe inside the head of a racist doctor or someone

1781
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 14: who's had no training at all regarding a person of

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01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 14: color and has what kind of what measures can be

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01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:49,839
Speaker 14: taking taken to improve their training?

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Speaker 9: That's my question. Sure, just see a good morning, Thank

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01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 9: you for your question, and I'm gonna I think that's

1786
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 9: a very one question. I'm gonna I'm gonna answer with

1787
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:02,320
Speaker 9: what we're doing, and I'm going to tell you what

1788
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:05,680
Speaker 9: I think this solution is particularly for racist right. So

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01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 9: first and foremost, we have developed a curriculum specifically for

1790
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:14,920
Speaker 9: medical students. We've done this in partnership with several medical

1791
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 9: schools and we're working throughout the country to expand it.

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01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:21,800
Speaker 9: We've worked with IVY schools like Columbia, and we work

1793
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:26,920
Speaker 9: with our HBCU medical schools like Mahari and Morehouse and

1794
01:34:27,160 --> 01:34:29,720
Speaker 9: Charles drew Out in California, and so we're continuing to

1795
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 9: expand and scale those because I do think we have

1796
01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:34,000
Speaker 9: to work it from two sides. We have to meet

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01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 9: these minds and shape them when they are young and

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01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 9: have these issues of bias, empathy and compassion at the

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01:34:42,160 --> 01:34:45,320
Speaker 9: forefront of their mind before they even go into their practice. Now,

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01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:49,679
Speaker 9: we also have to work with existing clinicians and help

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01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 9: them who have been in this system and who have

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01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:55,360
Speaker 9: been I don't want to call it radicalized, but they

1803
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:59,440
Speaker 9: have been conditioned by a system that is not designed

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01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:02,200
Speaker 9: for people of color. And so I spend a lot

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01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:05,080
Speaker 9: of time. I've developed tools, and I go into hospitals,

1806
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 9: I go into healthcare systems to work with those But

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01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 9: let me tell you, let me address your question. Let

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01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 9: me address it head on to how do we address

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01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 9: a racist how do we address somebody that is hardened

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01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 9: and may have biases, Because at the end of the day,

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01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:22,080
Speaker 9: people are people. And so here's my solution for that

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01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:26,160
Speaker 9: is that if we want to fix these issues around

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01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 9: black and white in this country when it comes to medicine,

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01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:32,000
Speaker 9: you know we do, sister peebook, we tie it to green.

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01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:33,800
Speaker 9: And let me tell you what I mean by that

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01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:36,160
Speaker 9: is that one of the next things that I'm going

1817
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:40,360
Speaker 9: to be working on is building a fundamental standard of

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01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:44,960
Speaker 9: care for all people, particularly people of color. And the

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01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:49,280
Speaker 9: bottom line is that if doctors and hospitals are not

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01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:54,000
Speaker 9: able to meet that standard of care, equitable care right,

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01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:56,120
Speaker 9: because there's metrics, we can measure this, we can measure

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01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:58,559
Speaker 9: the bias, we can measure pacient's satisfaction. We can measure

1823
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:01,760
Speaker 9: their ability to do these things. Then guess what, but

1824
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:04,800
Speaker 9: they don't get paid and watch how quickly this turns around.

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01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:08,720
Speaker 9: So if they're not able to meet this, then it's

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01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 9: tied to their payment. It's called healthcare payment reform. And

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01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 9: so you might say, oh, Charles, that sounds radical. Missed that.

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01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:17,439
Speaker 9: And third, but here's the thing. If y'all remember in

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01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:19,720
Speaker 9: the late earlies and early in the late eighties and

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01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:23,320
Speaker 9: early nineties, when white men were dropping dead at alarming

1831
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 9: rates of cardiovascular disease. Right, guess how they fixed this

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01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:31,840
Speaker 9: with payment reform. They perform with payment reform. They tied

1833
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 9: performance to payment and we don't hear about that nearly

1834
01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:37,160
Speaker 9: as much. So they've already set a standard of it.

1835
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:41,200
Speaker 9: And so we can tie it to patient safety, we

1836
01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 9: can tie it to equitable care. And that's how we

1837
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:48,240
Speaker 9: will turn this thing around quickly. Is it going to

1838
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:50,719
Speaker 9: be a tough fight, And you know, Brota Carl mentioned

1839
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:56,280
Speaker 9: some of these professional organizations. Some politicians may give pushback,

1840
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:58,840
Speaker 9: but I think that is something that can be done.

1841
01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 9: And that's how we can affect buildings. And we guess

1842
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:04,160
Speaker 9: what we take race out of it. We affect your

1843
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 9: pockets and we're gonna make sure we get that equable care.

1844
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 9: So you have to if you're gonna either gonna leave

1845
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 9: your biases a home or it's gonna hurt your pockets.

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01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 1: Gotcha, ch'all and an interest of time, how can folks

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01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:14,960
Speaker 1: reach you?

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01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:15,720
Speaker 3: Uh?

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01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:18,479
Speaker 1: Because my question we got the attorney Jay Wendell Gordon

1850
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:20,640
Speaker 1: on that before we go to him, though, are you

1851
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 1: gonna do it? Write a book about this? Because I

1852
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:25,280
Speaker 1: see this is so interesting this you should figure way

1853
01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:27,600
Speaker 1: how to You're in LA so you know all the

1854
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:30,120
Speaker 1: movie makers are out there and probably get somebody. We

1855
01:37:30,200 --> 01:37:32,880
Speaker 1: got a movie maker coming up after Attorney Gordon as well.

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01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:37,880
Speaker 1: Rick mathis you was thinking about expanding to the media

1857
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:39,280
Speaker 1: coverage of what you've done.

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01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:43,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm opening and wherever whatever diastes fit for the

1859
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:46,320
Speaker 9: next steps this journey, I'm open to it. I've definitely

1860
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:49,240
Speaker 9: been encouraged to do a book. I've honestly been so

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01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:51,559
Speaker 9: busy raising my boys and fighting this fight that I haven't,

1862
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:54,599
Speaker 9: you know, really dedicated to time to make it happen.

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01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:56,160
Speaker 9: But it's something that's coming. I think that you'll see

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01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:58,679
Speaker 9: a book for me somewhere in the next eighteen months.

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01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:03,640
Speaker 9: There have been some conversations about, you know, put perhaps

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01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 9: a scripted project around this, but for me, called the

1867
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 9: job's not done. And you know, once we once we

1868
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:13,640
Speaker 9: get this and once we fix this, then we can

1869
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:16,080
Speaker 9: talk about, you know, telling the story. But for me,

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01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:18,560
Speaker 9: every day the story is still being written. I just

1871
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:21,960
Speaker 9: appreciate that's that's how praise that that that that you

1872
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:23,200
Speaker 9: think so highly of the work.

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01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:23,479
Speaker 3: That we're doing.

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Speaker 9: And so we just want to We just want to

1875
01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:28,439
Speaker 9: make here proud. We want to make you know our

1876
01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:30,840
Speaker 9: country better and safer for mothers and babies.

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01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:33,120
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, Charles. Before I'll let you go,

1878
01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:35,479
Speaker 1: how can folks reachie if they want more information about

1879
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:36,639
Speaker 1: for care for moms.

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01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:39,960
Speaker 9: Yes, sir, thank you so much. First off, thank you

1881
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:41,760
Speaker 9: for having me. Thank you to all your callers this morning.

1882
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:43,479
Speaker 9: I'm so grateful to spend this time with you. I

1883
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:45,000
Speaker 9: know we had a lot that we didn't eve get discuss.

1884
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:48,200
Speaker 9: So I'm looking forward to being back and so you can.

1885
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:50,439
Speaker 9: You can follow me at the number four K I

1886
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:53,400
Speaker 9: R A the number four M O M S. If

1887
01:38:53,439 --> 01:38:56,120
Speaker 9: you heard the interview this morning and shoot me a DM.

1888
01:38:56,160 --> 01:38:59,240
Speaker 9: We'd love to hear from you, and you can download

1889
01:38:59,280 --> 01:39:01,559
Speaker 9: the app four here or four dads the number four

1890
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:05,479
Speaker 9: KR the number four dads. Please share that with five

1891
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 9: dads in your community. And we're excited about where we're

1892
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 9: taking this and how we're going to fede in power

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01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:13,400
Speaker 9: and support our families.

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01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 1: All right, thank you for the work that you've done

1895
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:18,040
Speaker 1: for us so far, Charles, and I know, as you said,

1896
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:19,920
Speaker 1: the journey is not finished, but thank you for what

1897
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:21,800
Speaker 1: you're doing keep us in the loop. Of course, we

1898
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 1: didn't get to a lot of what we wanted to

1899
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:27,240
Speaker 1: talk about because we're so fix stated on the tragedy

1900
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:29,680
Speaker 1: instead of what you're actually doing. So for sure we'll

1901
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:31,840
Speaker 1: have you come back and then share with a family

1902
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:32,679
Speaker 1: of what you are doing.

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01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:36,160
Speaker 9: But I'm looking forward to it. Everybody, have a blessed date.

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01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:37,000
Speaker 9: Thank you so much, Carl.

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01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:38,400
Speaker 4: We appreciate you, all right.

1906
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:41,639
Speaker 1: And that's Charles Johnson family who turned a tragedy into

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01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:45,479
Speaker 1: into a motivation speaker is now one of the most

1908
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:49,080
Speaker 1: known motivation speakers across the country. For all, this came

1909
01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 1: out of a tragedy of childbirth and his wife losing

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01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 1: her life for delivering their son eight hundred and four

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Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight to seventy six year. Need

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01:39:56,720 --> 01:39:58,880
Speaker 1: that for our next guest, who is the Warrior lawyer

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01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:02,519
Speaker 1: from Baltimore. J Gordon Jay Wyent of Gordon Grand Rising Brother,

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01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:03,719
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 3: Good morning.

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01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:06,439
Speaker 4: Can you hear me very well?

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01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:08,360
Speaker 1: We can hear you loud and clear.

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Speaker 3: Oh, excellent, excellent, Good morning, Good morning to the listeners.

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01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:14,200
Speaker 1: It's been a while, Yeah, it's been a minute. Yeah,

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01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:16,840
Speaker 1: but we keeping tabs on you because we know when

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01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:18,880
Speaker 1: it comes to legal issues, you're the person we need

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Speaker 1: to talk to. And let me ask you this though,

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Speaker 1: one of the big stories that we saw in the

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Speaker 1: news was Don Lemon and also also Georgia Ford. We

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Speaker 1: got to mention there was two of them that got arrested.

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Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts of that when you

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Speaker 1: heard of their arrest of how do you see the charges?

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Speaker 3: Well, when I was to answer the first question, when

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Speaker 3: I heard of the arrest, it was deeply troubling because

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Speaker 3: it seems like it's something right out of a playbook

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Speaker 3: from things that we've seen in history. But actually when

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Speaker 3: I had an opportunity to read the charges, I felt

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Speaker 3: a little more relieved because the charges seem to be

1934
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Speaker 3: extremely stretched and strained just to integrate fort In Lemon

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Speaker 3: into what was taking place at the churches.

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Speaker 4: And so I think that the.

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Speaker 3: Outcome is going to be favorable to Don Lennon and Missport. However,

1938
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Speaker 3: there's an old adage and law enforcement that says you

1939
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Speaker 3: may beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride.

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Speaker 3: So they've already been through the ride, but I expect

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Speaker 3: them to beat the rap.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead.

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Speaker 3: I was just going to tell the ladies and gentlemen

1944
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Speaker 3: what he's been charged with. He's been charged with conspiracy

1945
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Speaker 3: to violate the religious religious rights of the congrants at

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Speaker 3: the church. And he's also been charged with what's called

1947
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Speaker 3: Place Act violation, which basically is a freedom of freedom

1948
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Speaker 3: of access to clinical entrances, and it's usually that law

1949
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:51,360
Speaker 3: was active to address abortion clinics and people having access

1950
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Speaker 3: to abortion clinics, but it also did include religious warship access,

1951
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Speaker 3: and so they charged them with that. But the way

1952
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Speaker 3: they put the case together, it doesn't seem it's going

1953
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Speaker 3: to go very far.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because they claimed they were part of the group

1955
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Speaker 1: that the storm the church and disrupted the church service.

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Speaker 1: And they say that Lenin and they didn't say about Missport,

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Speaker 1: but they say Lenin was was outside, uh, colluding with

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Speaker 1: the protesters. He met with them, and he was part

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Speaker 1: of their their group that went in together. Does this

1960
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Speaker 1: does this? Is this make it easier for them to

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Speaker 1: charge him?

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Speaker 4: Then?

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Speaker 1: If so, if that did happen, well, I.

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Speaker 3: Think it's a stress for them to use their words

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Speaker 3: to to characterize his conduct as such. He was merely

1966
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Speaker 3: present as a news gatherer, uh, not as a participant,

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01:42:40,200 --> 01:42:43,400
Speaker 3: but as a journalism and being a journalist is not

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01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:49,840
Speaker 3: a conspiracy. Being present is not is not equivalent to

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Speaker 3: commit the crime.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And nothing that he did if you look at the

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Speaker 3: interviews that he conducted to look at his footage, look

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01:42:57,479 --> 01:43:00,760
Speaker 3: at how they're characterizing it in the indictment, Nothing that

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01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:06,520
Speaker 3: he did impeded or intimidated or interfered with anyone's religious

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Speaker 3: or worship experience. Again, he was there asking questions, as

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Speaker 3: journalists do. Obviously, he's talking to those who had the

1977
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Speaker 3: most information to offer with the pactive situation that's taking place.

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Speaker 3: But there's no there's no real evidence, even the way

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01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:27,439
Speaker 3: they drafted the indict and there's no real evidence that

1980
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:30,280
Speaker 3: he conlluded or conspired with them. He wanted to know

1981
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:32,160
Speaker 3: where it was going to be, and he fell to

1982
01:43:32,240 --> 01:43:35,320
Speaker 3: disclose to the public where it was going to be.

1983
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Speaker 3: So they said, well, he's colluded. He's part of the

1984
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:40,840
Speaker 3: conspiracy because he didn't tell us, he didn't broadcast where,

1985
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:45,760
Speaker 3: what time, and when this protests are supposed to take place.

1986
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:48,160
Speaker 3: But even the language that they use, they called the

1987
01:43:48,200 --> 01:43:52,360
Speaker 3: protesters agitators. You know, they say they stormed or attacked

1988
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:54,920
Speaker 3: the church. There's no storming or attacking the church. They

1989
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:59,840
Speaker 3: did go into the church and they did protest within

1990
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Speaker 3: side the church, and they'll have their issues to deal with.

1991
01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:04,280
Speaker 3: But in terms of the journalists, they were just their

1992
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:07,360
Speaker 3: news gathering. So you know, they threw Don lemon in

1993
01:44:07,439 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 3: so they'd have a trophy piece or a big name

1994
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:12,960
Speaker 3: to associate with the arrest. But all of this stuff,

1995
01:44:13,479 --> 01:44:18,840
Speaker 3: it really reads like a state court, district court prosecution

1996
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Speaker 3: type of situation as opposed to federal court. It really

1997
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Speaker 3: reads very very sophomore.

1998
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Speaker 1: If you ask me, my family fourteen af the top,

1999
01:44:30,040 --> 01:44:32,120
Speaker 1: they were just checking in. I guess it's Jay Waydell Gordon.

2000
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:35,479
Speaker 1: He's the Warrior attorney out of Baltimore. You got a

2001
01:44:35,560 --> 01:44:37,960
Speaker 1: question about what happened you saw the arrest of Don Lennim.

2002
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:40,600
Speaker 1: It was major news and run through all the newscasts,

2003
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:44,479
Speaker 1: all made national news that he was arrested, and you,

2004
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:47,200
Speaker 1: to your point, that was probably the reason why he

2005
01:44:47,439 --> 01:44:50,680
Speaker 1: was arrested. I have a tweeter says I read well.

2006
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:53,800
Speaker 1: Lemon volunteered to turn himself in, but they insisted on

2007
01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:58,120
Speaker 1: the public spectacle by sending over eleven agents to a

2008
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Speaker 1: public hotel where they were aggressive. None of the agents

2009
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Speaker 1: actually had a warrant to show him. I don't gonna

2010
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:07,439
Speaker 1: if you're familiar with that part of the John Lemon's arrest,

2011
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Speaker 1: I am where he was.

2012
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Speaker 3: At the Grammys in California. Yeah, and I understand that

2013
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:15,960
Speaker 3: several agents made the arrest where you know, but we've

2014
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Speaker 3: seen this before time and time again. When they want

2015
01:45:18,240 --> 01:45:22,040
Speaker 3: the so called perp walk, they want to see him publicly,

2016
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Speaker 3: they want the spectacle of it, because I don't think

2017
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Speaker 3: they're going to get much more than what they got

2018
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Speaker 3: during the time of the arrest. It was very intimidated.

2019
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Speaker 3: It sends a chilling It sends a message to other

2020
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Speaker 3: journalists who endeavored to engage in the same type of conduct,

2021
01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:41,519
Speaker 3: and it has a chilling effect on speech but again,

2022
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:46,920
Speaker 3: you know, Don Lemon was not involved in consparience, consperience

2023
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:51,520
Speaker 3: conspiring to put this protest together. He was a journalist

2024
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Speaker 3: covering the event. And at the end of the day,

2025
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Speaker 3: I think the jury's going to see that reporting is

2026
01:45:58,520 --> 01:46:03,080
Speaker 3: not rioting, is not participation, and they have to prove

2027
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Speaker 3: what he did. That's what the crowd did, but what

2028
01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:09,960
Speaker 3: Don Lemon did, because if you cannot prove that he

2029
01:46:10,160 --> 01:46:12,680
Speaker 3: was involved in the conspiracy, then you have to look

2030
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Speaker 3: at the overt acts or what individual acts had done,

2031
01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:18,960
Speaker 3: women commit And I don't think you're gonna get very

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01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:19,479
Speaker 3: far with that.

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Speaker 1: So you're saying counselor even if Don met with the

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01:46:23,640 --> 01:46:27,880
Speaker 1: protesses before they went into the church, that's not collusion

2035
01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:30,280
Speaker 1: because they've told him what they were going to do.

2036
01:46:32,280 --> 01:46:34,760
Speaker 1: Are they saying that he should have, you know, exposed

2037
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Speaker 1: them or something, Or even even if he had a

2038
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:38,600
Speaker 1: conversation they told they're going to the church, and he

2039
01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:41,120
Speaker 1: probably followed them or was with them when they went in,

2040
01:46:41,479 --> 01:46:43,439
Speaker 1: that's he's not He's not still not part of them,

2041
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Speaker 1: Is that what you said? Saying?

2042
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just the mere present. Reporting again is not rioting.

2043
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Speaker 3: Reporters will meet with sources and get information to who what,

2044
01:46:54,360 --> 01:46:59,000
Speaker 3: when wearing why, and so that's routine journalism. And for

2045
01:46:59,200 --> 01:47:03,280
Speaker 3: him to go where these events are going to take place, well,

2046
01:47:03,320 --> 01:47:06,320
Speaker 3: the reporter has a source of information and he's going

2047
01:47:06,439 --> 01:47:10,559
Speaker 3: to again report on the news based upon that source

2048
01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:13,679
Speaker 3: of information. That doesn't make him a conspiratory. If that's

2049
01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:16,720
Speaker 3: the case, then any time you see reporters at any

2050
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:21,679
Speaker 3: event that where some type of protests erupts they're from

2051
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:24,160
Speaker 3: they could be charged in conspiracy. I mean, the way

2052
01:47:24,200 --> 01:47:28,040
Speaker 3: they use the law is really absurd. But we know

2053
01:47:28,160 --> 01:47:32,920
Speaker 3: why this is all targeted. This is political. This is

2054
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:36,760
Speaker 3: to send messages that if you speak out against this

2055
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Speaker 3: government that there will be swift consequences. And again, even

2056
01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:43,280
Speaker 3: though you unite beat the rap, you won't beat the

2057
01:47:43,439 --> 01:47:46,360
Speaker 3: ride because they got controlled. They have controlled over the ride,

2058
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Speaker 3: of course, have control over the wrap.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha hold that tho? All right, then, Jane and Pasta

2060
01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:52,560
Speaker 1: wants you to talk to you, but we got to

2061
01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 1: step aside for a few moments. When we come back,

2062
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Speaker 1: I'll let you speak to Jane. And then also a

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01:47:56,240 --> 01:48:00,720
Speaker 1: question for you, abound sources. Are reporters like my we

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01:48:01,000 --> 01:48:03,559
Speaker 1: obligated to if we're asked by the police or by

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01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:05,880
Speaker 1: the courts to turn over our sources. I want to

2066
01:48:05,920 --> 01:48:08,000
Speaker 1: hear that answer. Family YouTube can get in on this

2067
01:48:08,120 --> 01:48:11,040
Speaker 1: conversation with a Warrior lawyer, Jay Wendall Gordon out of Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: Reach out to us at eight hundred four or five

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01:48:13,400 --> 01:48:16,360
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone

2070
01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:19,040
Speaker 1: calls next a grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with

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Speaker 1: us on this Tuesday morning with our guster at the

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01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:24,320
Speaker 1: Warrior Attorney Jay Wendall Gordon out of Baltimore, discussing the

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Speaker 1: rest of Don Lemon and Georgia Fort. And now many

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Speaker 1: of you know about Don Lemon because Georgia Fort is

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Speaker 1: also a journalist as well. She's an award winning journalist.

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Speaker 1: She was one of the two journalists were in the

2077
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Speaker 1: courtroom when Derek Chauvin was sentenced. He remember Derek chauvin'

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Speaker 1: is a guy who put his kneel on the neck

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Speaker 1: of one of our brothers. But the question is, before

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Speaker 1: we speak with Gene Attorney Gordon would have made a

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01:48:49,200 --> 01:48:52,400
Speaker 1: difference if Don Lemmon is still a CNN or the

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01:48:52,479 --> 01:48:57,559
Speaker 1: sister who was with a more recognized network affiliation. Could

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01:48:57,560 --> 01:48:59,920
Speaker 1: they just say, well, these folks are not journalists, these

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Speaker 1: people with some microphones. And how do you see that?

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't think that that the arrest hens upon

2086
01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:09,480
Speaker 3: who he was working for, whether he was working for himself.

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Speaker 3: I think that it was targeted for John Lemon and

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Speaker 3: Georgia Fort trimarily because, in my opinion, because they were

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Speaker 3: the black reporters were out there, because there were tons

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Speaker 3: of people out there, and the ones that seem to

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01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:27,280
Speaker 3: have gotten arrested were the black ones. But that's that's

2092
01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:29,479
Speaker 3: the story for another day. But you asked me whether

2093
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:32,719
Speaker 3: or not a reporter is required to disclose it sources,

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01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:36,520
Speaker 3: and I would say that reporters have a qualified reporters

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01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:40,160
Speaker 3: privilege under the First Amendment, and so that law protects

2096
01:49:40,280 --> 01:49:45,519
Speaker 3: confidential sources, unpublished notes, and news gathering materials. So again

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01:49:45,600 --> 01:49:50,200
Speaker 3: with Don Lemmon, Matt Cosen the details of the protests,

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01:49:50,720 --> 01:49:53,920
Speaker 3: that does not make him up a conspiracy. And so

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01:49:55,320 --> 01:49:58,080
Speaker 3: in terms of that question, yeah, you know he's not

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Speaker 3: required to do that as he's brought path in it shelf.

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Speaker 3: So you know, again, as you read the indictment, it

2102
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Speaker 3: really stretches the truth even by its own reading. And

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Speaker 3: that's why one of the magistrates fell to find problem

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01:50:12,520 --> 01:50:15,519
Speaker 3: cause the first time came out. But I guess if

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01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:17,880
Speaker 3: they changed the word, changed the titles of the people,

2106
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:22,000
Speaker 3: instead of calling them protesters, call them call them agitators,

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Speaker 3: instead of saying that it's protest, was a pact on

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Speaker 3: religious freedoms, and then you probably get pass the problem

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Speaker 3: because they but in order to prove their case, they

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Speaker 3: have to prove specifically what Darn Lemon was doing. And

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Speaker 3: again his mayor presence is not enough. They are element

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Speaker 3: by element space act challenges that have been based Defensi's

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Speaker 3: focuses on whether any one that whether Leomen use any

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Speaker 3: personal threats or for us of physical obstruction, and whether

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Speaker 3: he had the require intent to interrupt or interfere with

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Speaker 3: the religious worship. And that's where it's going to boil down,

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Speaker 3: and that's where the line is going to be drawn

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Speaker 3: or what I say, as I would say the battleground

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Speaker 3: for all of these, all these questions could be decided

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Speaker 3: by the jury.

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Speaker 1: And so well, you know, let me because because is

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Speaker 1: that why the Feds took over, Because is that a

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Speaker 1: fed federal statue or a local statue where with the

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Speaker 1: local assist now he didn't do and he didn't violate

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Speaker 1: any of our laws. Is that why the FEDS jumped in?

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Speaker 3: Well, the fairs have they charged him o under eighteen Usc.

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Speaker 3: Two forty one, where they said that there was an

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Speaker 3: agreement or a conspiracy to interfere with the rights of

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01:51:37,640 --> 01:51:40,519
Speaker 3: others during their religious worship. And they also charged them

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Speaker 3: with the freedom of access into the clinical into clinical interests. Again,

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Speaker 3: that was often a clinic related type of crime or

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01:51:51,240 --> 01:51:54,080
Speaker 3: clinic related interference when people were going in for abortions.

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Speaker 3: But it also applies to the religious worship and access

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Speaker 3: to certain servant stances.

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Speaker 4: But again, and the.

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Speaker 3: Defense theme is that presence is not participation and journalism

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Speaker 3: is not being a part of the conspiracy. And so

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Speaker 3: that's where it's gonna boil down to. And then if

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Speaker 3: you get that, then you have to show what exactly

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Speaker 3: be done to do How did he interfere, how did

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Speaker 3: he threatened with force or the threat of force, uh

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Speaker 3: to interfere with someone's religious warship.

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Speaker 4: So that's where it stands right now.

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Speaker 1: Got you twenty five after the top that with Jay Wendall,

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Speaker 1: Gordon James calling us from Pikesville has a question for you.

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Speaker 1: It's online. One Grand rising, Genie, your question for J.

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Speaker 11: Wendall Gordon grand Rosing. Okay, my question is centered around

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Speaker 11: and you just mentioned that the First Amendment and also

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Speaker 11: the Eleventh Amendment the Supreme Court having h so you know,

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Speaker 11: any matters pertaining to the Supreme Court, you know comes

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Speaker 11: under the jurisdiction of I guess not only the word

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Speaker 11: jurisdiction is proper, but you know trolls under the the

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Speaker 11: Supreme Court.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 11: A journal My question to you, sir, is what is

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Speaker 11: a journalist? I think that's the greater question as I

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Speaker 11: understand that I'm in I consider myself a journalist. I

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Speaker 11: have a podcast. I got into it with a doctor

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Speaker 11: Ki's whitehead and reference to her content because like right now,

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Speaker 11: I just hit the record button button and I might

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Speaker 11: use this content for a podcast and I'll be reporting

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Speaker 11: on it.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 11: What is the definition of a journalist? And do you

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Speaker 11: need any particular license or a degree or anything to

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Speaker 11: be a journalist? Because I feel that it's covered under

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Speaker 11: the First Amendment, you know, freedom of speech.

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Speaker 1: That's a good question. Go ahead, Doc.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about the legal definition of a journalist,

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Speaker 3: but a journalist is a citizen who's entitled to the

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Speaker 3: same right under the Constitution as anybody else. Now, journalists

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Speaker 3: have credentials at time, maybe easy to determine who is

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Speaker 3: indeed a true journalist by education, experience, knowledge, training and

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Speaker 3: so and still, but in terms of a journalists, anybody

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Speaker 3: could be in that church engaged in the same type

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Speaker 3: of conduct as Don Lenntt without having those so called

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Speaker 3: credentials that are respected but not required to engage in

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Speaker 3: news gathering. So yeah, anybody could have done it, and

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Speaker 3: probably Don Lennon. And the part was some other no

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Speaker 3: name podcasters who were actually in the church at the

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Speaker 3: same time as Don Lennard, but he's with a high

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Speaker 3: profile one, so he's the one who they chose to

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Speaker 3: loved make an example of. But anybody could have done

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Speaker 3: what they were doing, whether inside the church or outside

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Speaker 3: the church. The government's aspect of the case, and their

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Speaker 3: strongest point they feel like the location matters is like

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Speaker 3: their argument is that this wasn't a sidewalk or public

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Speaker 3: class a demonstration. This was actually something that took place

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Speaker 3: inside the church doing a worship service, and that, in

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Speaker 3: their opinion, heightens their religious freedom argument that this isn't

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Speaker 3: about you know, this isn't about journalism, it's about religious freedom.

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Speaker 3: We also argue that the disruption, that the disruption is undisputed.

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Speaker 3: They don't have to prove necessarily anybody's ideology, only that

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Speaker 3: the service was partially disrupted and worshippers' rights were affected,

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Speaker 3: and so that kind of fits into the statute. But

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Speaker 3: in terms of what men did, I don't think it

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Speaker 3: fits very well. Participation versus observation is going to be

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Speaker 3: key to the fight. The government says that men across

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Speaker 3: the line, that he entered restricted space and moved with protesters,

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Speaker 3: remained after their disruption, and they argue that that's the conduct,

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Speaker 3: and it's not just passive reporting, but that's over conduct,

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Speaker 3: that's action on his part, and that his intent can

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Speaker 3: intent can be in to interfere with the religious activities

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Speaker 3: given with the did you consider his actions, the timing,

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Speaker 3: the proximity, and coordination with others if you can prove

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Speaker 3: that there was some type of coordination, and then there

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Speaker 3: are also there's digital and video evidence that may like

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Speaker 3: the help the government with what they're trying to do.

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Speaker 3: And their last and final argument would probably be that

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Speaker 3: the First Amendment protects speech is not unlawful conduct, even

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Speaker 3: for journalists. In other words, being a journalist doesn't give

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Speaker 3: you a path to disrupt someone's religious or worship activities.

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, again you look at the

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Speaker 3: fact Levy was there reporting. He wasn't interfering, he wasn't disrupting,

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Speaker 3: he wasn't championing. He wasn't, you know, obstructing interests or

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Speaker 3: people's ability to move around the church. Now, he did

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Speaker 3: try to conduct interviews, but that's not an obstruction. He

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Speaker 3: didn't force people to give an interview. You know, he

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Speaker 3: might put a mic in somebody's face, that that's not obstructing,

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Speaker 3: and he might ask questions that that's not obstructing. So

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Speaker 3: everything that he did, according to what we've seen and

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Speaker 3: even according to what we've read in the indictment, if

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Speaker 3: you read it with the third eye, you understand that

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Speaker 3: all of his activities was newsgathering. And even with Georgia Fort,

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Speaker 3: they made one argument that there was a vehicle full

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Speaker 3: of parishioners who were trying to lead and judge interview

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Speaker 3: one of the leaders of the protest outside, and they

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Speaker 3: said that she was trying to interview one of the

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Speaker 3: leaders of the protests outside while the leader of the

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Speaker 3: protests was blocking one of the interests for the vehicle

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Speaker 3: to leave the church. So that's how they got Georgia

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Speaker 3: fort in it. And again, very specious allegation, very paltry facts,

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Speaker 3: and quite frankly, it's not going to go much further.

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Speaker 12: Than it is.

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Speaker 3: And even if it does get to a jury, I

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Speaker 3: expect that there'll be a swift acquittal for both men

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Speaker 3: and court. The other protest their challenges may be a

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Speaker 3: little more difficult, but they may see some d at

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Speaker 3: the end of the tunnel as well.

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Speaker 1: All right, thirty minutes at the top there, and Gene,

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Speaker 1: let me just add that this is a huge discussion

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Speaker 1: amongst journalists as well, because many of the folks, I say,

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Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of the people you see on television

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Speaker 1: doing what they call journalism are not journalists. Never went

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Speaker 1: to Jay school, never even took a journalism class. Some

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Speaker 1: of it went to law schools. Some of just you know,

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Speaker 1: people off the street, you know, And they say the journals,

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Speaker 1: they're doing the work of a journalist, but not being

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Speaker 1: they're not journalists. And they and many of them really

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Speaker 1: don't even describe themselves as journalists. They say they're news personalities.

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Speaker 1: There's something so you can't hold them to the same

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Speaker 1: level that you hold a journalist too. So that's the

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Speaker 1: way they get around that. So I just wanted Geane

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Speaker 1: to know that because this is a used discussion amongst

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Speaker 1: journalists on these journalism sites about who is a journalist.

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Speaker 1: Everybody with the microphone says they're a journalists. But did

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Speaker 1: you go to JA school? Did you have do you

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Speaker 1: attend any journalism classes? Because many of them if they did,

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't be behaving in the way they did it

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Speaker 1: because you're not bigger than the news. That's the first

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Speaker 1: thing they'll tell you in your journalism class. The news

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Speaker 1: is more important than you, and you've got some of

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Speaker 1: these folks are more important than That's why they call

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Speaker 1: themselves news personaliss. Anyway, let me get off my soapbox.

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Speaker 1: Twenty nine minutes away from the top, Dare Manissa's checking

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Speaker 1: in from Charlotte. She's online two Grand Rising. Manisha, your

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Speaker 1: question for Jay Wendell Gordon.

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Speaker 15: Yes, I wanted to know. I know that the government

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Speaker 15: case is kind of flawed here, but I also wanted

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Speaker 15: to know the legal provacations, that Don Lennon will get

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Speaker 15: acquitted and that these charges will be dropped. I mean

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Speaker 15: to violating somebody's First Amendment rights and absolutely wrong. Now,

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Speaker 15: should have should these protest has been in the church? Yeah,

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Speaker 15: they probably shouldn't have been there, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 15: they probably shouldn't have been there. But at the same time,

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Speaker 15: like if the man, if donal Leman, is doing his job,

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Speaker 15: why is he being arrested for it? I mean, it's

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Speaker 15: what is the legal cop the case of this whole

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Speaker 15: case gets thrown out. Thank you for taking my call.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great question. Again, what the government that's

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Speaker 3: focused is focusing on is the location that it was

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Speaker 3: inside the church and not on the public slidewalk or

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Speaker 3: on public plaza. They actually went into the church to engage.

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Speaker 3: They're focused on the disruption, which is clearly undisputed. Uh,

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Speaker 3: They're focusing on well, the key, the key battleground is

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Speaker 3: whether or not document was actually participating in the protests

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Speaker 3: or merely observing the protest. Now someone asks what it

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Speaker 3: is a journalist. A journalist is basically someone who regularly gathers, prepares,

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Speaker 3: because photographs, at its reports, or publishes information concerning matters

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Speaker 3: of public interest, for disseminations to the public for broadcast

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Speaker 3: to the public. So anybody can be a journalist, you

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Speaker 3: could be a self proclaimed journalist. You're just another citizen

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Speaker 3: who's just getting information for them for public desinmination. And

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Speaker 3: that's what that's what was occurring in this case. So

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Speaker 3: far did a crime to be present to interview the

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Speaker 3: activities taking place at a protest, and that's what happened here.

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Speaker 3: But what's really interesting if you look on remend Jamal

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Speaker 3: Bryant's newbirth website or his Instagram page, you'll see that

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Speaker 3: there was a pastor that flew in from out of

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Speaker 3: town to do the same thing at Newburgh's church, and

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Speaker 3: nobody's saying anything about it. That someone came in, they

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Speaker 3: came into the church, was condemning everybody who was in

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Speaker 3: that church that held interrupting the service, the worship service,

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Speaker 3: and doing everything they could to interfere with people's religious rights.

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Speaker 3: But Tam Bonner, who said that she's going to she

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Speaker 3: wasn't going to tolerate this type of activity, has tolerated

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Speaker 3: from the white man who's gone down into Jamal Bryant's

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Speaker 3: church and engaged in what some would consider the same activity,

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Speaker 3: and not as a journalist, but as we use their

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Speaker 3: language as an agitator because that's what he was down

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Speaker 3: there and they want to take So you all need

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Speaker 3: to look that up too. And so you can just

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Speaker 3: do a comparison analysis to see what this prosecution of

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Speaker 3: Don Lemon and Georgia Forts all about and has really

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Speaker 3: nothing to do with interfering with the worship services that

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Speaker 3: the government claims would not be tolerated by anyone. It

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Speaker 3: has more to do with Don Lemon being one of

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Speaker 3: the detractors of the President of the United States and

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Speaker 3: Georgia Fort, who has been very well known for her

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Speaker 3: journalism during the show Them case. I believe it was

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Speaker 3: George Ford's case, George Floyd's case. And so these are

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Speaker 3: big you know, they're big game hunting as we thought,

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Speaker 3: this big game for the government to come, you know,

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Speaker 3: with with the with the mantal pieces that come from

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Speaker 3: the heads of these two generalists. So they're trying to

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Speaker 3: get them, but I think they under standard they're not

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Speaker 3: going to get them in the long run. Even if

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Speaker 3: it makes its way to the jury. I feel like

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Speaker 3: a jury would summarily have quit. But if it doesn't

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Speaker 3: get dismissed pre trial, all right.

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Speaker 1: Twenty five away from the topic and Jay, way to

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Speaker 1: go on. You didn't have to go that far because

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Speaker 1: we can look at what's the ice rains are going

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Speaker 1: into churches now they are they arresting those these these

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Speaker 1: ice agents with their covered faces and snatching people out

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Speaker 1: of the churches. Why shouldn't anybody addressing that issue.

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Speaker 3: Well, that is an excellent point. That is an excellent point.

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Speaker 3: They quite frankly, I didn't think of you got the

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Speaker 3: agents actually violating the same laws that they're trying to

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Speaker 3: prosecute hung liming for us, and sometimes they're just staked

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Speaker 3: out outside and the uniform enough is speech and is

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Speaker 3: threatening enough. In fact, a uniform officer is the first

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Speaker 3: level of force that is interpreted by the public. An

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Speaker 3: officer comes up to you, you know, how to get

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Speaker 3: you gather yourself and straighten out your behavior because he's

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Speaker 3: dressed in a uniform. So, yeah, that's an excellent point

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Speaker 3: on top of some of the other points that have

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Speaker 3: been raised. You know, I keep on this call and

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Speaker 3: I've heard elsewhere a privilege against it because of who

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Speaker 3: they are. But nonetheless it does cause you to think

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Speaker 3: about these things.

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Speaker 1: Right, hold up the right there, Council, we step aside

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Speaker 1: for a few months. We'll come back Jay and Detroit

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Speaker 1: and Ronney, North Carolina. They have questions for your family.

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Speaker 1: YouTube can join this discussion to reach out to us

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Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight to

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Speaker 1: seventy six and the ticket phone calls next. Thank Ryan Rising,

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Speaker 1: family staying with us on this Tuesday morning here with

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Speaker 1: our guest Jay Wendell Gordon. Before we go back to

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Speaker 1: attorney Jay Wendell Gordon, let me just remind you come

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Speaker 1: up later this morning. We speak with movie maker Rick

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Speaker 1: matthis He's going to preview his latest project. It's a

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Speaker 1: it's a personal issue for for Ricky, a bresh with

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Speaker 1: death and he turned it into you know, we turned

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Speaker 1: it into a documentary series. It's called Heartbeats. So we're

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Speaker 1: gonna hear that from Rick later this morning, and later

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Speaker 1: this week we're gonna hear from one of our Griells,

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Speaker 1: Professor James Small will be here along with Neely full

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Speaker 1: of sun Mark and also another Mark from Anaheim is

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Speaker 1: going to come out of exile and join us as well.

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Speaker 1: So if you are in Baltimore, make sure the Greatest

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Speaker 1: locked in real tight on ten ten WLB or if

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Speaker 1: you're in the DMV family. We're on fourteen fifty. Wol

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Speaker 1: So mention before we left for the break, Jane detroych

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Speaker 1: waiting for us as a question for j Wendell Gordon's

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Speaker 1: online one Grand Rising, Jay, you're on with j Wendell Gordon.

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Speaker 12: Yes, Grand Rising, Carl grand Rising to your guests, I

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Speaker 12: want to go back to the question that you asked

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Speaker 12: the guests the attorney earlier about what it made a

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Speaker 12: difference if Don Lemon was working for CNN or one

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Speaker 12: of the major news outlets, and I think it would

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Speaker 12: have made a difference because I think part of the

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Speaker 12: attack is not only ratio and political, but it's also

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Speaker 12: against independent media, especially with people that were previously affiliated

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Speaker 12: with mainstream media. It's an attack on an in their

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Speaker 12: voice because if he was working for CNN, and most

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Speaker 12: of those major media outlets have like a filter on

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Speaker 12: what you can ask, and you know political machinations, you

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Speaker 12: know where they basically try to play it down the

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Speaker 12: middle for the most part, and other than Fox and

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Speaker 12: you know some of the so called left leaning but

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Speaker 12: they still play it. You know, those other ones pay

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Speaker 12: it down the middle, ABC, NBC. And also it's a

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Speaker 12: personal attack on the person independent because if he was

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Speaker 12: working for one of the major media outlets, they'd be

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Speaker 12: obligated to pay for his legal fees and things like that.

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Speaker 12: So it's an economic thing too to because mainstream media

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Speaker 12: is kind of losing its its audience to the Internet,

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Speaker 12: social media and individual platforms. So I think that's another

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Speaker 12: aspect of this also where it can't be filtered or

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Speaker 12: controlled as much as it's a mainstream media. So what

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Speaker 12: does your guests think about that that particular element?

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Speaker 3: Also, you know, I have to I have to agree

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Speaker 3: with you to a certain extent. My position hasn't changed

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Speaker 3: as much, although I do consider and agree with your

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Speaker 3: position as well. So I guess I'm on the fence

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Speaker 3: because if he was working for Fox and asking Fox

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Speaker 3: types of questions, then he probably wouldn't be here. But

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Speaker 3: I believe, I do believe that, you know, given the

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Speaker 3: reputation of CNN and how they've been chanced to as

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Speaker 3: by the President, I don't know if that would have

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Speaker 3: made much of the difference. But I can't slip in

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Speaker 3: and say that you're call because you could be right.

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Speaker 3: I could be right. Well, both of us could be wrong.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't that's our opinion.

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Speaker 12: Well it wasn't so much.

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Speaker 4: I think you have a that's a very.

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Speaker 3: Very reasonable opinion and just like anybody else. And so yeah,

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Speaker 3: you could be right too, right, we both could be

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Speaker 3: wrong or.

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Speaker 4: One of the others.

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Speaker 12: No, I think we're both right. And you know everything

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Speaker 12: that you persists you know earlier, so you know, I

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Speaker 12: agree with that. I was just bringing on that additional element,

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Speaker 12: you know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And let me just say this, Jay, before you know,

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Speaker 1: you talked about the changing landscape on media. They've canceled

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Speaker 1: the Sherry Shepherd show. She just took over. Uh you

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Speaker 1: remember recently after three years of her show. Is at

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Speaker 1: the end of the year. That's the end of her show.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, Jay, thank you for your call. Ja Wendell

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Speaker 1: Gordon's I guess family is an attorney. Ron's reaching out

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Speaker 1: to us from North Carolina is online too, Grand Rising Ron,

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Speaker 1: you're on my attorney, Ja Wendell Gordon, Yes.

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Speaker 16: Grand Rising call and Grand Rising Attorning Gordon. Jay asked

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Speaker 16: my first question about the economic being interests. I'm mistaken

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Speaker 16: that this is being that these are independent media individuals

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Speaker 16: that the government was attacking them knowing that like if

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Speaker 16: Donald stem up to CNN. You know, CNN would be

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Speaker 16: covering his legal fiells. But if it's just him that

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Speaker 16: this will be affect him more economically going through these hoops,

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Speaker 16: and you know Dren it would if he was still CNN.

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Speaker 16: But I have another question though, can can Don and

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Speaker 16: these other journalists through the federal government for wrongful prosecution

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Speaker 16: when it's.

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Speaker 3: All sudden done, if the case is dismissed pre trial

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Speaker 3: or if there's a Americans, if there's an acquittal of

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Speaker 3: all counts there because of business and qualified immunity. Immunity,

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Speaker 3: you really probably can't see the officers or the prosecute.

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Speaker 3: Def you can't see the prosecute. You can try that,

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02:09:48,680 --> 02:09:51,400
Speaker 3: you're not gonna get anywhere for bringing the charges, but

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Speaker 3: you might be able to shoot the officers who may

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Speaker 3: be able to ask because it's wrongful. Maybe vialiated this

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Speaker 3: Fourth Amendment right, So if you can find some Fourth

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Speaker 3: Amendment violation, so you may be able to sue the officers.

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Speaker 3: But if not, no, you won't. It's very difficult to

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Speaker 3: sue a federal officer engaged in federal law enforcement activities

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02:10:14,240 --> 02:10:18,520
Speaker 3: because of the Bison's case UH, which is a case

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Speaker 3: that's in the ire of all civil rights attorneys when

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Speaker 3: it comes to the types of misconduct that federal officers

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Speaker 3: get away with, including lying to the grand jury.

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Speaker 4: They get away with that.

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Speaker 3: They're new from prosecution for things like that, so the

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Speaker 3: only thing they can really be arrested for is like,

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Speaker 3: I mean, not the rest of the sue for it

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Speaker 3: was like Fourth Amendment violation, I mean clear Fourth Amendment violation.

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Speaker 3: So with a warrant, uh, And that usually applies to

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Speaker 3: warrant less arrests, warrant less of warrant less arrests. But

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Speaker 3: when you have a warrant, his recourse is very minimal.

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Speaker 4: It's at all. Okay, thanks, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Thirteen away from the top they are building. Bill Gooden

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Speaker 1: in Baltimore has a question for is online for Grand

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Speaker 1: Rise and Billy with attorney J. Wendell Gordon.

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Speaker 8: Hey, Bill, thank you for having having my favorite attorney

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Speaker 8: on area. And I'm so happy he's there because when

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Speaker 8: the here's a question that I've been asking people and

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Speaker 8: some people have been dodging it, you know, and the

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Speaker 8: Declaration of Independence when they wrote that when the government

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Speaker 8: does not acting the entry of the masters, then we

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Speaker 8: not only have a duty, but an obligation to overthrow

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Speaker 8: the government. Right, What was the reason that they put

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Speaker 8: that clause in there for? And when and when should

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Speaker 8: it coming to effect?

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Speaker 3: He ain't getting me to get into all of that.

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02:11:38,040 --> 02:11:43,040
Speaker 3: But it's been there, Yes I did. It's there. It's

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Speaker 3: in there. And when it gets to the point where

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Speaker 3: where the politic where the product gig kid is blown up.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think they're there yet, but some people may.

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Speaker 4: So it's in there.

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Speaker 3: That's all I can tell you. When we get to

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Speaker 3: that point. I don't know if they're gonna take it

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Speaker 3: on a case by case basis, but it's there, sposed.

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Speaker 8: Could you just susplain why isn't that?

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02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:04,400
Speaker 3: Why is it?

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Speaker 4: Why? While we are not there yet?

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Speaker 8: I mean, now, why they put that clause in the

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Speaker 8: Declaration of independence?

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Speaker 3: What was the purpose for it? Because you're supposed to

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Speaker 3: be governed for the people, in by the people, you

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02:12:17,280 --> 02:12:22,520
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And so the founding like called

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Speaker 3: founding father, people who helped found this country, who put

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Speaker 3: together the organization of this country. We're concerned that government

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02:12:29,360 --> 02:12:32,400
Speaker 3: could become too powerful, and it's part of the checks

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Speaker 3: and balances on our government and not in the original

2505
02:12:36,760 --> 02:12:39,920
Speaker 3: sense in terms of judiciary, executive and legislative branches, but

2506
02:12:40,120 --> 02:12:43,480
Speaker 3: just being sure that government doesn't become all too powerful

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Speaker 3: and it's always going to be about the people.

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Speaker 8: Well, look, I sortainly appreciate you tackling that some man.

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Speaker 8: You know, I will be calling them Friday to call

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Speaker 8: outside of finish this conversation. So I really appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you. Bill's trying to get you to

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Speaker 1: say something. I thank you, counsel.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because yeah, they've got to.

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Speaker 1: Be careful what you say these days. Right ten away

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Speaker 1: from the top there, Angela's in Washington, d C. Has

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Speaker 1: a question for you, Attorney Jay Wendell Gordon. She's online, fine,

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02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:18,520
Speaker 1: grand rising.

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Speaker 17: Angela, grand Rising, mister Nelson and mister Gordon. What I

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Speaker 17: want to say first is that this case against Don

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02:13:27,360 --> 02:13:30,880
Speaker 17: Lemon is so flimsy. I don't have any doubt it's

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Speaker 17: going to be thrown out. But it really shows the

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Speaker 17: incompetence at the head of the Justice Department that they

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Speaker 17: would even bring a case like this, right Like.

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Speaker 3: That's what I was saying before. It reads like something

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Speaker 3: that should be in the District Court of Baltimore City

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Speaker 3: as opposed to the federal court of any state right.

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Speaker 17: So my question is.

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Speaker 10: With with all these cases that Trump has brought against

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Speaker 10: different broadcast networks that aren't cheesy, you know, is he

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Speaker 10: trying to go for like something like state media or something.

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Speaker 3: He's just trying I think he's just trying to impose

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Speaker 3: his will on people. I think it's part of his narcissism.

2533
02:14:19,760 --> 02:14:22,320
Speaker 3: He thinks he's far more popular than he really is.

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Speaker 3: But he also tries to drain people. For instance, like

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Speaker 3: the college just talk about Don Lemmon's ability to defend

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Speaker 3: himself if he had worked for CNN and have an

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Speaker 3: actual dissense, you have to deviding their lawyers. Obviously a

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Speaker 3: bigger news organization that have access to, you know, more lawyers,

2539
02:14:39,760 --> 02:14:42,640
Speaker 3: but Don Lemon does have a lawyer to even the

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Speaker 3: playing field, although it's going to cost him probably a

2541
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Speaker 3: nice little penny. But I think they just try to

2542
02:14:47,960 --> 02:14:51,480
Speaker 3: drain people. Sometimes people file suit's not necessarily to win them,

2543
02:14:51,560 --> 02:14:53,400
Speaker 3: but just to drain you, just to put you through

2544
02:14:53,440 --> 02:14:56,240
Speaker 3: something that you have some anxieties and sleepless nights and

2545
02:14:56,320 --> 02:14:58,600
Speaker 3: things like that. They know they're going to lose, but

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02:14:58,680 --> 02:15:00,640
Speaker 3: they also know that you have to be find yourself

2547
02:15:00,680 --> 02:15:02,440
Speaker 3: and it's going to cost you. And when you see

2548
02:15:02,480 --> 02:15:05,880
Speaker 3: that all the time, and in state prosecutions, sometimes you

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02:15:05,960 --> 02:15:08,440
Speaker 3: see cases that go to court and say this case

2550
02:15:08,600 --> 02:15:10,800
Speaker 3: was terrible, even if you sat on the jersey, just

2551
02:15:11,080 --> 02:15:13,280
Speaker 3: this case should have never been here. When you say

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Speaker 3: this case would have never been here, those folks mee

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02:15:15,920 --> 02:15:18,520
Speaker 3: their case should have never been there. But they had

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02:15:19,040 --> 02:15:21,160
Speaker 3: a right to do it. They had just enough facts

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Speaker 3: to statisfy probable cause. Man, you know, just because you

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02:15:24,360 --> 02:15:26,600
Speaker 3: satisfy a probable cause does not mean that you're going

2557
02:15:26,640 --> 02:15:29,000
Speaker 3: to secure a conviction by any stretch. I mean, you

2558
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Speaker 3: still have to prove your case beyond a reasonable doubts,

2559
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Speaker 3: and probable cause is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

2560
02:15:34,520 --> 02:15:37,480
Speaker 3: But probable cause might get somebody locked up until their

2561
02:15:37,520 --> 02:15:41,240
Speaker 3: trial date when you're actually having it had it dismissed,

2562
02:15:41,280 --> 02:15:44,400
Speaker 3: which may take forty five days, six days, six months.

2563
02:15:45,000 --> 02:15:47,920
Speaker 3: Probable cause may may lead you to have to spend

2564
02:15:48,040 --> 02:15:51,080
Speaker 3: thousands and thousands of dollars on legal seas before you

2565
02:15:51,160 --> 02:15:53,760
Speaker 3: get your chase dismissed. So a lot of times you

2566
02:15:53,880 --> 02:15:57,000
Speaker 3: might beat the rap that you won't beat the ride

2567
02:15:57,080 --> 02:16:01,280
Speaker 3: because they control the ride. The wrap the judicious system

2568
02:16:01,320 --> 02:16:04,280
Speaker 3: controls the right law enforcement controls.

2569
02:16:05,920 --> 02:16:09,040
Speaker 1: Thank you all right, thank you Angela and Jay wal Good.

2570
02:16:09,080 --> 02:16:10,280
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get you in trouble, but I

2571
02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:12,320
Speaker 1: got to answer this question. Now that Donald Trump is

2572
02:16:12,360 --> 02:16:14,960
Speaker 1: suing the government for ten billion dollars, he says they

2573
02:16:15,080 --> 02:16:20,920
Speaker 1: leaked to his irs forms to the public. Is that possible?

2574
02:16:21,000 --> 02:16:23,240
Speaker 1: Can he sue a government that he represents. The people

2575
02:16:23,600 --> 02:16:26,320
Speaker 1: who is suing he appointed them. They're the ones that

2576
02:16:26,320 --> 02:16:28,120
Speaker 1: are gonna, you know, decide whether or not he gets

2577
02:16:28,120 --> 02:16:30,600
Speaker 1: his ten billion dollars of our taxpayers money. And again,

2578
02:16:30,600 --> 02:16:31,760
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get you in trouble. I just

2579
02:16:31,800 --> 02:16:32,840
Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on that.

2580
02:16:33,120 --> 02:16:34,360
Speaker 4: No, my thoughts on it is.

2581
02:16:36,040 --> 02:16:38,360
Speaker 3: Crazy the things that he's got in the ways of

2582
02:16:38,480 --> 02:16:45,160
Speaker 3: dust bar. He got compensated for some investigation to the

2583
02:16:45,240 --> 02:16:48,320
Speaker 3: team of hundreds of millions of dollars already. So Donald

2584
02:16:48,360 --> 02:16:50,960
Speaker 3: Trump is just building our government. And I'm not even

2585
02:16:51,000 --> 02:16:53,119
Speaker 3: afraid to say it. The fact that he would even

2586
02:16:53,240 --> 02:16:56,360
Speaker 3: think that, Heed, what is your harm? Even if you

2587
02:16:56,400 --> 02:16:58,680
Speaker 3: attach your term's words posed, how is it harm? He

2588
02:16:58,760 --> 02:17:01,640
Speaker 3: still became president, still up there acting like the pools.

2589
02:17:02,200 --> 02:17:05,920
Speaker 3: Nothing has nothing, anybody has done to him, says he's

2590
02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:09,520
Speaker 3: taken office, actually since he's run for election, has harmed him.

2591
02:17:09,640 --> 02:17:13,080
Speaker 3: So him being the person who he is, ten billion

2592
02:17:13,120 --> 02:17:16,320
Speaker 3: dollars is just ridiculous. It wasn't even worth that. And

2593
02:17:16,440 --> 02:17:19,720
Speaker 3: then what has he how has he been harmed by

2594
02:17:19,840 --> 02:17:22,480
Speaker 3: any of it? And this the releasing of his touching

2595
02:17:22,600 --> 02:17:26,160
Speaker 3: terms when not a couple of years ago. I know,

2596
02:17:26,280 --> 02:17:29,080
Speaker 3: the guy just got sentenced recently, but that release was

2597
02:17:29,120 --> 02:17:31,280
Speaker 3: a couple of years. Everybody's even forgotten about it. So

2598
02:17:32,640 --> 02:17:35,400
Speaker 3: if he gets ten billion of the taxpayer dollars when

2599
02:17:35,400 --> 02:17:38,240
Speaker 3: he gets out of office, this is vicious, vicious. The

2600
02:17:38,480 --> 02:17:41,680
Speaker 3: some people either going to jail or being fired left

2601
02:17:41,720 --> 02:17:45,200
Speaker 3: the night because whoever would have proven that? That's just crazy.

2602
02:17:45,760 --> 02:17:50,400
Speaker 3: That's just crazy with this administration, It's been crazy, right

2603
02:17:50,520 --> 02:17:51,040
Speaker 3: is that?

2604
02:17:51,160 --> 02:17:53,240
Speaker 1: The same thing with with with what he's doing in

2605
02:17:53,320 --> 02:17:55,080
Speaker 1: Georgia going to you know, he's saying that he won

2606
02:17:55,160 --> 02:17:58,080
Speaker 1: the election, election is over, even if he did find

2607
02:17:58,240 --> 02:18:01,320
Speaker 1: Malfisian in the in the report of other votes. What

2608
02:18:01,480 --> 02:18:02,320
Speaker 1: good is that going to do?

2609
02:18:02,480 --> 02:18:02,600
Speaker 3: Now?

2610
02:18:03,000 --> 02:18:05,519
Speaker 1: Why do you think it's still you know, and he's always.

2611
02:18:05,360 --> 02:18:09,200
Speaker 3: Good to tamper with future elections, That's what I think.

2612
02:18:09,560 --> 02:18:11,720
Speaker 3: I think he's getting that information, they're gonna fly into

2613
02:18:11,840 --> 02:18:15,520
Speaker 3: some AI system and they're gonna tamper with our future elections.

2614
02:18:16,200 --> 02:18:19,320
Speaker 3: And Georgia is one of those states that control election outcomes.

2615
02:18:20,320 --> 02:18:22,959
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's important that you just said that, because

2616
02:18:22,959 --> 02:18:25,200
Speaker 1: he's already said he wants the Republicans to take over

2617
02:18:25,240 --> 02:18:28,000
Speaker 1: the elections to monitor in the election, especially in the

2618
02:18:28,040 --> 02:18:30,200
Speaker 1: blue states. He's already said that.

2619
02:18:30,520 --> 02:18:34,760
Speaker 18: So maybe that's part of a dangerous, diabolical plan to

2620
02:18:34,920 --> 02:18:39,400
Speaker 18: maintain power, and part of his plans probably not to

2621
02:18:40,879 --> 02:18:43,280
Speaker 18: not to turn over the seat of the president.

2622
02:18:44,520 --> 02:18:47,800
Speaker 3: Everything he's doing, even trying to foment a civil war,

2623
02:18:48,600 --> 02:18:54,760
Speaker 3: is all in that same vein to maintain power, to

2624
02:18:55,040 --> 02:18:57,320
Speaker 3: not have some of the elections go forward, so that

2625
02:18:57,440 --> 02:19:00,280
Speaker 3: he can remain in the office, you know, off of

2626
02:19:00,360 --> 02:19:03,560
Speaker 3: martial law, whatever the case may be. I do have

2627
02:19:03,720 --> 02:19:06,480
Speaker 3: it jumped off yet, but he's got he's got three

2628
02:19:06,520 --> 02:19:07,000
Speaker 3: more years.

2629
02:19:08,640 --> 02:19:08,840
Speaker 1: Wow.

2630
02:19:10,200 --> 02:19:11,480
Speaker 3: Further the country.

2631
02:19:12,480 --> 02:19:15,120
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this counselor Trevor Noah made it

2632
02:19:15,440 --> 02:19:18,240
Speaker 1: crack down him at the Grammys, and he's threatening to

2633
02:19:18,440 --> 02:19:22,200
Speaker 1: sue Trevor Noah and sue the Grammys and sue CBS.

2634
02:19:23,120 --> 02:19:25,400
Speaker 1: Does he have any grounds for a lawsuit and I'll

2635
02:19:25,400 --> 02:19:28,119
Speaker 1: tell you what hold response looking at the clock. Well,

2636
02:19:28,520 --> 02:19:29,720
Speaker 1: I don't know where you want to you have more

2637
02:19:29,800 --> 02:19:32,480
Speaker 1: detailed responsor hold that thought right there, counselor. We got

2638
02:19:32,600 --> 02:19:34,080
Speaker 1: we got to check the trafficing weather and when we

2639
02:19:34,120 --> 02:19:36,800
Speaker 1: come back, I'll let you give the full response. Four

2640
02:19:36,840 --> 02:19:38,720
Speaker 1: minutes away from the top of our family, Oh, we

2641
02:19:38,800 --> 02:19:41,560
Speaker 1: gotta take a break to our stations, can identify them

2642
02:19:41,600 --> 02:19:43,879
Speaker 1: since down the line no traffical weather. But hey, we'll

2643
02:19:43,920 --> 02:19:47,520
Speaker 1: take you calls in four minutes. Next and Grand Ri

2644
02:19:47,640 --> 02:19:49,600
Speaker 1: saying family, thanks for rolling with us on this Tuesday

2645
02:19:49,640 --> 02:19:52,520
Speaker 1: morning with our guess the warrior turning from Baltimore, JA

2646
02:19:52,600 --> 02:19:54,360
Speaker 1: Wendall Gordon. Before we let him go, I got to

2647
02:19:54,400 --> 02:19:57,520
Speaker 1: ask this question Trevor Noah at the Grammys. You know,

2648
02:19:57,600 --> 02:20:00,920
Speaker 1: in his monologue he cracked on Donald Trump, and you

2649
02:20:01,040 --> 02:20:03,680
Speaker 1: say that the Donald Trump, Donald Trump is threatening to

2650
02:20:03,720 --> 02:20:06,880
Speaker 1: sue him for Slanta. You're saying that Trump has no

2651
02:20:07,040 --> 02:20:08,000
Speaker 1: case why.

2652
02:20:08,320 --> 02:20:10,840
Speaker 3: Where he has very little taste And of course I'm

2653
02:20:10,879 --> 02:20:17,400
Speaker 3: consistently held a satire, comedy, hyperboleigue jokes, definitely political comedy

2654
02:20:17,480 --> 02:20:21,160
Speaker 3: are protected opinion and in our not statements of facts.

2655
02:20:21,680 --> 02:20:22,520
Speaker 4: Trump would have to.

2656
02:20:22,600 --> 02:20:25,840
Speaker 3: Prove that the statement was false. It was about Trump.

2657
02:20:25,920 --> 02:20:28,520
Speaker 3: It was published the third party, which is easy. However,

2658
02:20:28,879 --> 02:20:32,960
Speaker 3: the actual malice because of who Trump is. He is

2659
02:20:33,040 --> 02:20:37,440
Speaker 3: a public figure, so the constitutional bar is very very high.

2660
02:20:37,640 --> 02:20:39,800
Speaker 3: They have to show a knowledge of falsity or a

2661
02:20:39,920 --> 02:20:43,160
Speaker 3: reckless disregard for the truth. And more importantly, they have

2662
02:20:43,240 --> 02:20:47,200
Speaker 3: to show that it caused represent reputational harm. Again, harm

2663
02:20:47,280 --> 02:20:51,000
Speaker 3: to his reputation where is It's nowhere to be found.

2664
02:20:51,040 --> 02:20:53,360
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what. If he did troot sue Trevor,

2665
02:20:54,000 --> 02:20:57,560
Speaker 3: then the Epstein files definitely come into play during discovery

2666
02:20:57,640 --> 02:21:00,760
Speaker 3: because that way, you know, whoever the lawyers, they would

2667
02:21:00,760 --> 02:21:03,080
Speaker 3: get access to the files and they can go through

2668
02:21:03,240 --> 02:21:05,800
Speaker 3: all of it. And so he doesn't want to sue

2669
02:21:05,879 --> 02:21:08,960
Speaker 3: anybody that would cause him to have to have the

2670
02:21:09,040 --> 02:21:13,280
Speaker 3: files disclosed because discovery in this case would require the

2671
02:21:13,320 --> 02:21:16,720
Speaker 3: disclosure of the files based upon the subject of the

2672
02:21:17,760 --> 02:21:20,840
Speaker 3: comedy routine. So at the end of the day, again

2673
02:21:21,200 --> 02:21:23,840
Speaker 3: it's just Trump being a blow hard. But if he

2674
02:21:23,959 --> 02:21:26,040
Speaker 3: did try to do it, he set himself up for

2675
02:21:27,240 --> 02:21:30,560
Speaker 3: making sure that the Epsteam files were disclosed and brought

2676
02:21:31,040 --> 02:21:33,480
Speaker 3: in the public because once it's a lawsuit is a

2677
02:21:33,520 --> 02:21:37,560
Speaker 3: public that's a public act. And all the evidence that

2678
02:21:37,800 --> 02:21:41,800
Speaker 3: comes from discovery could ultimately end up in the public's domain,

2679
02:21:42,160 --> 02:21:46,320
Speaker 3: so he wouldn't want to do that. It would be unsuccessful.

2680
02:21:47,320 --> 02:21:50,240
Speaker 1: What you just said is what the BBC's report, because

2681
02:21:50,600 --> 02:21:53,360
Speaker 1: they he threatened to sue the BBC for billions of dollars,

2682
02:21:53,400 --> 02:21:55,320
Speaker 1: and they said, bring it on. We'd love to get

2683
02:21:55,360 --> 02:21:58,200
Speaker 1: you onto off. We'd love to do discovery and find

2684
02:21:58,240 --> 02:21:59,840
Speaker 1: because we know we can find a whole bunch of

2685
02:22:00,000 --> 02:22:02,640
Speaker 1: stuff about yourselves and bring it on. So he's been

2686
02:22:02,720 --> 02:22:05,280
Speaker 1: quiet about suing the BBC because they do the same.

2687
02:22:05,440 --> 02:22:09,240
Speaker 1: He to ABC, Capitulated, NBC, CBS, they all just wrote

2688
02:22:09,280 --> 02:22:11,480
Speaker 1: him a check. But the bb says, now you know,

2689
02:22:11,600 --> 02:22:14,080
Speaker 1: we'll we'll bring you on, we'll take the we'll have

2690
02:22:14,560 --> 02:22:16,600
Speaker 1: the trial in the US as well. You don't have

2691
02:22:16,640 --> 02:22:19,080
Speaker 1: to come to London. We'll do it in Washington, DC

2692
02:22:19,520 --> 02:22:22,440
Speaker 1: and we'll go through most So and then we haven't

2693
02:22:22,480 --> 02:22:24,760
Speaker 1: heard anything more about that that threat from Donald Trump.

2694
02:22:25,440 --> 02:22:27,520
Speaker 3: Trump is a blow hard in some respects, but he'll

2695
02:22:27,560 --> 02:22:29,840
Speaker 3: try to pick on the little kid, you know. But

2696
02:22:30,360 --> 02:22:33,840
Speaker 3: Trevor has enough cloud to get some of these organizations

2697
02:22:33,920 --> 02:22:36,800
Speaker 3: to assist them in his defense as friends of the

2698
02:22:36,879 --> 02:22:40,360
Speaker 3: court and Uh, everybody wants to steam file for the

2699
02:22:40,440 --> 02:22:44,040
Speaker 3: minute he sues somebody for a Liz defamation or a

2700
02:22:44,160 --> 02:22:49,480
Speaker 3: slander in the form of slander or libel or false light. Yeah,

2701
02:22:49,680 --> 02:22:51,840
Speaker 3: you open the flood gates for discovery. And once you

2702
02:22:51,920 --> 02:22:54,720
Speaker 3: open the floodgates for discovery, the judges aren't going to

2703
02:22:54,840 --> 02:22:57,600
Speaker 3: keep you from getting access to the information that we

2704
02:22:57,760 --> 02:23:03,440
Speaker 3: all know this to it. When access comes along, then

2705
02:23:03,600 --> 02:23:06,200
Speaker 3: everything that comes with access comes along, because it's the

2706
02:23:06,280 --> 02:23:10,720
Speaker 3: public case that makes his way to a public form.

2707
02:23:11,840 --> 02:23:13,200
Speaker 1: Right before we let you go there, I got to

2708
02:23:13,240 --> 02:23:15,240
Speaker 1: ask you about the so called squeegee kid. Uh, and

2709
02:23:15,320 --> 02:23:16,960
Speaker 1: I just like calling him back. I know he's a

2710
02:23:17,040 --> 02:23:19,120
Speaker 1: young man in the family. If you don't know, Jay,

2711
02:23:19,160 --> 02:23:22,880
Speaker 1: when Gordon represented this young man who was accusing an

2712
02:23:22,879 --> 02:23:25,760
Speaker 1: altercation in Baltimore, downtown Baltimore, it's one of the so

2713
02:23:25,879 --> 02:23:28,560
Speaker 1: called squeegee kids. Again, I hate that term. There's a

2714
02:23:28,600 --> 02:23:31,440
Speaker 1: young folks who are out there cleaning windows, you know,

2715
02:23:31,720 --> 02:23:34,120
Speaker 1: for cars when they stop at the intersections. And he

2716
02:23:34,280 --> 02:23:35,640
Speaker 1: was convicted. So how's he doing?

2717
02:23:35,680 --> 02:23:39,200
Speaker 3: Though the last time I spoke to him probably was

2718
02:23:39,520 --> 02:23:44,960
Speaker 3: in the summertime. They were in the process of actually

2719
02:23:45,280 --> 02:23:49,000
Speaker 3: moving him to a different jail, And to be honest

2720
02:23:49,040 --> 02:23:52,080
Speaker 3: with you, I don't think I've spoken to him since

2721
02:23:52,280 --> 02:23:56,440
Speaker 3: he's been moved, so I have to look out to him.

2722
02:23:56,480 --> 02:23:57,880
Speaker 3: But the time that I spoke to him, he was

2723
02:23:57,959 --> 02:24:00,280
Speaker 3: doing okay. He was just looking forward to coming home.

2724
02:24:00,959 --> 02:24:02,720
Speaker 3: He has a renewed that the purpose.

2725
02:24:03,000 --> 02:24:03,120
Speaker 4: Uh.

2726
02:24:03,520 --> 02:24:05,680
Speaker 3: He went in as a boy and he'll come out

2727
02:24:05,760 --> 02:24:09,440
Speaker 3: as a man. And Uh, he just wants to get

2728
02:24:09,520 --> 02:24:12,680
Speaker 3: things back to where they should be. He has a

2729
02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:16,760
Speaker 3: great outlook on life. It hasn't them his spirit at all.

2730
02:24:17,520 --> 02:24:17,640
Speaker 4: Uh.

2731
02:24:17,800 --> 02:24:19,640
Speaker 3: And he just wants to get back to the community

2732
02:24:19,879 --> 02:24:22,959
Speaker 3: and prove that he can be a productive citizen, notwithstanding

2733
02:24:24,040 --> 02:24:27,600
Speaker 3: the incident that caused him much tragedy in his life,

2734
02:24:28,560 --> 02:24:31,080
Speaker 3: you know, in the midst of him trying to defend

2735
02:24:31,200 --> 02:24:36,120
Speaker 3: himself and his friends. But here we are, so I

2736
02:24:36,200 --> 02:24:38,240
Speaker 3: couldn't be embourissed every time I talk to him. But

2737
02:24:38,280 --> 02:24:39,240
Speaker 3: I haven't talked to him.

2738
02:24:39,320 --> 02:24:42,720
Speaker 1: You know, why Please do that now? Yes, yeah, please

2739
02:24:42,760 --> 02:24:45,560
Speaker 1: do that. But did they try him as an adult?

2740
02:24:45,600 --> 02:24:47,800
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to figure out was he still as

2741
02:24:47,840 --> 02:24:48,400
Speaker 1: a juvenile?

2742
02:24:50,360 --> 02:24:56,760
Speaker 3: No, he's he's used the age of majority now, so yeah,

2743
02:24:57,760 --> 02:25:00,840
Speaker 3: he's an adult now. So they moved him to a

2744
02:25:00,920 --> 02:25:05,480
Speaker 3: new facility to another facility, and so he's dealing with

2745
02:25:06,280 --> 02:25:09,680
Speaker 3: what's going on out there. But you know, I don't

2746
02:25:09,720 --> 02:25:12,160
Speaker 3: expect him to do the full sentence. I expect him

2747
02:25:12,160 --> 02:25:15,080
Speaker 3: to get some kind of early release. As I said,

2748
02:25:15,120 --> 02:25:18,000
Speaker 3: he's got his head on straight. He really always did.

2749
02:25:18,080 --> 02:25:21,600
Speaker 3: He's always a smart man, smart young man, but a

2750
02:25:21,720 --> 02:25:24,440
Speaker 3: smart child that has grown to be a young man.

2751
02:25:25,720 --> 02:25:28,280
Speaker 3: He needed some guidance in his younger years, but that's

2752
02:25:28,280 --> 02:25:31,600
Speaker 3: about it. Like give me child, you know, firm guidance.

2753
02:25:31,760 --> 02:25:34,360
Speaker 3: But now he sees the world for what it is,

2754
02:25:34,520 --> 02:25:36,600
Speaker 3: and you know he's just looking forward to return to

2755
02:25:36,680 --> 02:25:39,640
Speaker 3: the community and making something of himself.

2756
02:25:41,280 --> 02:25:43,160
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, thank you for sharing the thoughts you

2757
02:25:43,400 --> 02:25:45,199
Speaker 1: and thank you for working with that young man because

2758
02:25:45,520 --> 02:25:48,920
Speaker 1: you probably just basically saved his life representing him because

2759
02:25:49,240 --> 02:25:51,119
Speaker 1: he was sort of a father figure for him when

2760
02:25:51,160 --> 02:25:53,320
Speaker 1: you took over the case. Jay Win Gordon said, I

2761
02:25:53,320 --> 02:25:54,480
Speaker 1: want to thank you for that as well.

2762
02:25:55,280 --> 02:25:56,800
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say as a father figure. He

2763
02:25:56,879 --> 02:25:59,840
Speaker 3: has a father, but I definitely am a concerned black

2764
02:26:00,080 --> 02:26:03,680
Speaker 3: man for a black child who's become a black man. Definitely,

2765
02:26:03,879 --> 02:26:07,080
Speaker 3: And we do maintain our contact. Although we haven't spoken well,

2766
02:26:08,200 --> 02:26:11,000
Speaker 3: we will we will make contact. We talk to each

2767
02:26:11,040 --> 02:26:14,560
Speaker 3: other fairly, fairly enough, all.

2768
02:26:14,520 --> 02:26:16,360
Speaker 1: Right, tell me to stay up though when you talk

2769
02:26:16,400 --> 02:26:19,880
Speaker 1: to him. Caunselor definitely all right. The courage for sure,

2770
02:26:21,040 --> 02:26:22,920
Speaker 1: and thank you for sharing your thoughts this morning.

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02:26:23,800 --> 02:26:25,920
Speaker 3: I appreciate your phone call. It's great coming to you

2772
02:26:26,080 --> 02:26:28,720
Speaker 3: and speaking with the listening audience. It's been a while,

2773
02:26:28,760 --> 02:26:30,720
Speaker 3: but I'll be happy to come back anytime you call.

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02:26:31,720 --> 02:26:34,880
Speaker 1: Gotcha, Thank you, sir as Jay Wendell Gordon family. He's

2775
02:26:34,920 --> 02:26:37,640
Speaker 1: the warrior lawyer out of Baltimore. He's got legal issues.

2776
02:26:37,680 --> 02:26:40,040
Speaker 1: That's the man you turned to eight hundred and four

2777
02:26:40,080 --> 02:26:42,160
Speaker 1: or five yeerod seventy eight seven six. Keep that on

2778
02:26:42,240 --> 02:26:44,039
Speaker 1: the handy your needed for our next guest, the movie

2779
02:26:44,080 --> 02:26:47,600
Speaker 1: maker Rick Mathis, Rick grand Rising, Welcome back to the program.

2780
02:26:48,720 --> 02:26:51,200
Speaker 5: Great is man. Definitely pleasure to be here with you,

2781
02:26:52,000 --> 02:26:55,000
Speaker 5: Partnell to you and the amazing staff that you have

2782
02:26:55,200 --> 02:26:56,680
Speaker 5: and team that is ted of working with you.

2783
02:26:56,840 --> 02:26:56,960
Speaker 13: Man.

2784
02:26:57,040 --> 02:26:58,120
Speaker 5: Definitely pleasure to be here.

2785
02:26:58,160 --> 02:27:02,080
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me done some incredible movies in your day,

2786
02:27:02,120 --> 02:27:05,440
Speaker 1: but now this latest project is sort of a personal

2787
02:27:05,760 --> 02:27:06,960
Speaker 1: Can you share that with us, Rick?

2788
02:27:08,720 --> 02:27:12,959
Speaker 5: Yes, again, I'm responsible for creating films like the film

2789
02:27:13,000 --> 02:27:18,160
Speaker 5: Black Friday, which dealt with finance, financial literacy, and we

2790
02:27:18,320 --> 02:27:21,960
Speaker 5: produced that over ten years ago, and even Lamarn Arrington

2791
02:27:22,040 --> 02:27:26,320
Speaker 5: Senior story just telling you know, bio picks of you know,

2792
02:27:26,440 --> 02:27:28,720
Speaker 5: heroes that are in our community that have gone on

2793
02:27:28,920 --> 02:27:34,000
Speaker 5: to do great things. But in this film, the Heartbeat

2794
02:27:34,040 --> 02:27:39,240
Speaker 5: docu series, I turned the camera on myself. About a

2795
02:27:39,360 --> 02:27:43,879
Speaker 5: year or so ago, I experienced the widow Maker. And now,

2796
02:27:43,959 --> 02:27:46,440
Speaker 5: for those who don't know, the widow Maker is a

2797
02:27:46,560 --> 02:27:49,920
Speaker 5: heart attack that kills nine out of ten people instantly,

2798
02:27:50,959 --> 02:27:54,840
Speaker 5: and it's so silent and so sudden that it could

2799
02:27:54,920 --> 02:27:59,840
Speaker 5: easily be written off as something else. For me, I

2800
02:28:00,040 --> 02:28:02,080
Speaker 5: wrote it off as food poison. I thought I had

2801
02:28:02,120 --> 02:28:06,160
Speaker 5: got a food poisoning, but it could easily be written

2802
02:28:06,240 --> 02:28:09,000
Speaker 5: off as a bad cough, like a code or a flu.

2803
02:28:09,680 --> 02:28:12,920
Speaker 5: One guy in the film said he had lower back pain.

2804
02:28:14,000 --> 02:28:14,920
Speaker 4: Another gentleman in.

2805
02:28:14,920 --> 02:28:17,840
Speaker 5: The film said he had a pain behind his knee,

2806
02:28:18,400 --> 02:28:22,520
Speaker 5: So it could easily be written off as something that

2807
02:28:24,360 --> 02:28:28,000
Speaker 5: is something else. You know, and most people are not

2808
02:28:28,120 --> 02:28:32,279
Speaker 5: aware that every forty seconds someone has a heart attack

2809
02:28:32,360 --> 02:28:35,800
Speaker 5: in the US, and that's a stat given by the

2810
02:28:35,879 --> 02:28:39,920
Speaker 5: American Heart Association. Every forty second someone has a heart attack.

2811
02:28:40,400 --> 02:28:43,400
Speaker 5: You know, there are about eight hundred and five thousand

2812
02:28:44,000 --> 02:28:47,640
Speaker 5: heart attacks per year in the US, So just to

2813
02:28:47,760 --> 02:28:50,400
Speaker 5: kind of share some different stats with you on how

2814
02:28:50,560 --> 02:28:54,360
Speaker 5: serious this is. And with this being heart health month,

2815
02:28:54,440 --> 02:28:57,560
Speaker 5: February is Heart health month, so with this being a

2816
02:28:57,640 --> 02:28:59,960
Speaker 5: heart health month, you know more people are going to

2817
02:29:00,080 --> 02:29:02,720
Speaker 5: be talking about heart disease and things of that nature,

2818
02:29:03,040 --> 02:29:06,680
Speaker 5: which is the number one killer. Heart disease is the

2819
02:29:06,800 --> 02:29:10,000
Speaker 5: number one killer, but it doesn't get nearly as much

2820
02:29:10,120 --> 02:29:15,080
Speaker 5: attention as cancer or some of the other illnesses that

2821
02:29:15,240 --> 02:29:17,880
Speaker 5: plague our community. So with this film, I really just

2822
02:29:17,959 --> 02:29:21,200
Speaker 5: want to bring attention to that. Because I turned the

2823
02:29:21,240 --> 02:29:24,760
Speaker 5: camera on and started recording the moment I stepped into

2824
02:29:25,280 --> 02:29:29,320
Speaker 5: the emergency room, so we have original footage of the doctors,

2825
02:29:29,400 --> 02:29:35,360
Speaker 5: the nurses, the nurse practitioners, and people like that. So

2826
02:29:35,480 --> 02:29:39,040
Speaker 5: you get a real firsthand account with this film.

2827
02:29:41,120 --> 02:29:43,560
Speaker 1: And Rick, at what point did you figure that you know,

2828
02:29:43,800 --> 02:29:46,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna flip the camera around you usually the cameras

2829
02:29:46,480 --> 02:29:48,920
Speaker 1: usually in the other direction. At one point? Did was

2830
02:29:48,959 --> 02:29:52,520
Speaker 1: it instantaneously that you've you know, when you've entered the hospital,

2831
02:29:52,600 --> 02:29:54,880
Speaker 1: or was it when you're feeling the pains? Can you

2832
02:29:54,920 --> 02:29:55,600
Speaker 1: share that with us.

2833
02:29:56,920 --> 02:30:02,080
Speaker 5: Sure, Well, this film is what I call a inspirational

2834
02:30:02,400 --> 02:30:07,160
Speaker 5: romantic drama on heart disease. So you really have to

2835
02:30:07,240 --> 02:30:12,600
Speaker 5: watch the docuseries because in this film it's layered with

2836
02:30:12,879 --> 02:30:15,400
Speaker 5: some drama. So you know, most of the time when

2837
02:30:15,440 --> 02:30:20,320
Speaker 5: you watch a docu series or a documentary on heart disease,

2838
02:30:20,600 --> 02:30:23,840
Speaker 5: you know, it's slow, it's kind of bland, you know,

2839
02:30:24,480 --> 02:30:27,760
Speaker 5: and let me teach you this. Let me show you

2840
02:30:27,879 --> 02:30:30,840
Speaker 5: what the warning signs, let me show you what the

2841
02:30:30,959 --> 02:30:33,720
Speaker 5: risk factors are. So with this film, I didn't want

2842
02:30:33,760 --> 02:30:38,480
Speaker 5: to do that because it was it's so many layers

2843
02:30:39,040 --> 02:30:42,600
Speaker 5: to this film that we will produce into a movie.

2844
02:30:43,200 --> 02:30:46,400
Speaker 5: But I mean, it's just fascinating. So the thing that

2845
02:30:46,560 --> 02:30:49,920
Speaker 5: made me turn the camera on are the things that

2846
02:30:50,240 --> 02:30:54,800
Speaker 5: happened prior to me going into the hospital and saying, WHOA,

2847
02:30:55,640 --> 02:30:57,280
Speaker 5: I need to go to the hospital because I need

2848
02:30:57,360 --> 02:31:00,400
Speaker 5: to find out exactly what's going on. I bring you

2849
02:31:00,520 --> 02:31:07,000
Speaker 5: full speed Thanksgiving. On my deceased mother's birthday, I woke

2850
02:31:07,080 --> 02:31:10,000
Speaker 5: up and I had a severe headache. This is a

2851
02:31:10,040 --> 02:31:13,840
Speaker 5: headache that I had never experienced before. The room was

2852
02:31:13,920 --> 02:31:17,000
Speaker 5: flashing and I was like, what the heck is going

2853
02:31:17,080 --> 02:31:20,279
Speaker 5: I'm on so I thought it was food poisoning because

2854
02:31:20,320 --> 02:31:24,200
Speaker 5: I got nauseated and then I started vomiting. So I

2855
02:31:24,440 --> 02:31:26,600
Speaker 5: was like, man, I must have got food poisoning from

2856
02:31:26,640 --> 02:31:30,640
Speaker 5: the Chinese food I had the night before. So I'm thinking, man,

2857
02:31:30,800 --> 02:31:32,959
Speaker 5: I ate something and I got food poison But I've

2858
02:31:33,000 --> 02:31:36,720
Speaker 5: never had food poison I've never really been sick. So

2859
02:31:37,879 --> 02:31:40,080
Speaker 5: I go home because I'm out of town at a hotel.

2860
02:31:40,200 --> 02:31:45,240
Speaker 5: So I go home, return back to Atlanta, and I

2861
02:31:45,400 --> 02:31:48,680
Speaker 5: rest on Sunday. This was over the weekend, and then Monday,

2862
02:31:48,720 --> 02:31:51,480
Speaker 5: I did a drawn shoot because I'm a certified drone pilot.

2863
02:31:52,280 --> 02:31:54,480
Speaker 5: And after I did the drawing shoot, it was like

2864
02:31:54,600 --> 02:31:58,160
Speaker 5: my energy was just zapped. So I said, wow, I

2865
02:31:58,280 --> 02:32:01,760
Speaker 5: must exerted too much energy. I'll go home and.

2866
02:32:01,840 --> 02:32:02,480
Speaker 3: Go to sleep.

2867
02:32:03,120 --> 02:32:06,240
Speaker 5: So that's what I did. I think I went in ate,

2868
02:32:06,320 --> 02:32:10,480
Speaker 5: you know, some food or something and and went to sleep.

2869
02:32:10,959 --> 02:32:11,160
Speaker 4: Well.

2870
02:32:11,200 --> 02:32:13,520
Speaker 5: I woke up the next day, which was Tuesday morning,

2871
02:32:13,560 --> 02:32:16,520
Speaker 5: at four o'clock in the morning, and my right foot

2872
02:32:17,120 --> 02:32:21,280
Speaker 5: was noam and I was like, whoa, my right foot now,

2873
02:32:21,440 --> 02:32:24,760
Speaker 5: what is this? And I'm talking about it felt like rubber.

2874
02:32:26,520 --> 02:32:29,920
Speaker 5: So when that happened, I said, I need to go

2875
02:32:30,080 --> 02:32:30,800
Speaker 5: to the hospital.

2876
02:32:30,879 --> 02:32:30,959
Speaker 3: Now.

2877
02:32:31,040 --> 02:32:36,879
Speaker 5: The thing that made me say let's turn the cameras

2878
02:32:36,920 --> 02:32:39,560
Speaker 5: on is because then you have to watch the docu

2879
02:32:39,680 --> 02:32:40,280
Speaker 5: series for this.

2880
02:32:41,360 --> 02:32:41,840
Speaker 11: Prior to.

2881
02:32:44,160 --> 02:32:47,600
Speaker 5: This particular food poisoning and my foot going, let's say

2882
02:32:47,600 --> 02:32:51,920
Speaker 5: about eight nine months prior to I had got a

2883
02:32:52,280 --> 02:32:55,600
Speaker 5: I had met a spiritual teacher. I had met someone

2884
02:32:55,720 --> 02:32:58,800
Speaker 5: who was on a phone call with Sophia Stewart, you know,

2885
02:32:58,879 --> 02:33:02,040
Speaker 5: the black lady that wrote the Matrix, And we was

2886
02:33:02,120 --> 02:33:06,240
Speaker 5: having like an insultary call and a lady came on

2887
02:33:06,440 --> 02:33:10,199
Speaker 5: and she just started reading me and telling me, Wow,

2888
02:33:10,879 --> 02:33:14,240
Speaker 5: this is what's going on with you. And it was

2889
02:33:14,320 --> 02:33:18,640
Speaker 5: everything for my mother passing to me just really needing

2890
02:33:18,760 --> 02:33:22,840
Speaker 5: to spend time with myself and stop you know, dating

2891
02:33:23,120 --> 02:33:25,080
Speaker 5: you know this woman, that woman, because that's kind of

2892
02:33:25,120 --> 02:33:26,960
Speaker 5: what I was doing at the time, because I was

2893
02:33:27,160 --> 02:33:30,400
Speaker 5: going through grief, you know, with the death of my mom.

2894
02:33:30,480 --> 02:33:33,880
Speaker 5: And it was like a year later. So one day,

2895
02:33:33,920 --> 02:33:35,680
Speaker 5: out of the blue, she calls and she tells me,

2896
02:33:35,840 --> 02:33:38,800
Speaker 5: she said, Rick, I just got a spiritual download. She says,

2897
02:33:39,440 --> 02:33:44,520
Speaker 5: the woman that you're seeing. If you don't stop seeing her,

2898
02:33:44,800 --> 02:33:48,240
Speaker 5: somebody could end up dead. And this is like eight

2899
02:33:48,320 --> 02:33:51,800
Speaker 5: months before the heart attack happened. And I don't, you know,

2900
02:33:52,600 --> 02:33:56,160
Speaker 5: want to focus more so on that on that side. Today,

2901
02:33:56,160 --> 02:33:58,320
Speaker 5: I want to focus more on the heart disease. But

2902
02:33:58,480 --> 02:34:00,200
Speaker 5: since you asked, I just wanted to kind of give

2903
02:34:00,200 --> 02:34:03,000
Speaker 5: you the backstory. But we really lay all of this

2904
02:34:03,160 --> 02:34:06,400
Speaker 5: out in the film. So that was eight months prior

2905
02:34:06,480 --> 02:34:08,560
Speaker 5: to the heart attack. So I already had kind of

2906
02:34:08,680 --> 02:34:12,000
Speaker 5: some concerns in the back of my mind, like what's

2907
02:34:12,040 --> 02:34:14,840
Speaker 5: really going on with your health rate? So I say, hey,

2908
02:34:15,000 --> 02:34:17,080
Speaker 5: I told you know the young lady that was with me.

2909
02:34:17,520 --> 02:34:21,039
Speaker 5: I say, document everything you know, from what the doctors

2910
02:34:21,040 --> 02:34:24,199
Speaker 5: are saying, what the nurses are saying. So we started

2911
02:34:24,280 --> 02:34:29,360
Speaker 5: recording this documentary the moment I entered my hospital, which

2912
02:34:29,360 --> 02:34:32,680
Speaker 5: is the same hospital that Jamie Fox was in as well.

2913
02:34:32,959 --> 02:34:36,240
Speaker 5: So that's really what made me say, hey, I got

2914
02:34:36,360 --> 02:34:37,960
Speaker 5: a document what's going on?

2915
02:34:39,320 --> 02:34:40,840
Speaker 1: But I got to ask you this, Did you break

2916
02:34:40,879 --> 02:34:43,160
Speaker 1: up with that young lady after what that premonition?

2917
02:34:45,280 --> 02:34:48,280
Speaker 5: Of course, you know, I thought I had.

2918
02:34:48,440 --> 02:34:49,360
Speaker 4: I thought I was clear.

2919
02:34:49,480 --> 02:34:52,120
Speaker 5: So I ended up breaking up with her, you know,

2920
02:34:52,320 --> 02:34:56,080
Speaker 5: like it may And I thought I was clear. I

2921
02:34:56,120 --> 02:35:01,879
Speaker 5: thought I ain't had no way. In November nowhere, boom,

2922
02:35:02,760 --> 02:35:06,760
Speaker 5: blood clots all over my body. One of the blood

2923
02:35:06,800 --> 02:35:10,640
Speaker 5: clots was lies into main artery, which is the widow maker,

2924
02:35:10,800 --> 02:35:14,240
Speaker 5: the artery that gives oxygen and blood flow to a

2925
02:35:14,320 --> 02:35:19,160
Speaker 5: majority of your body. That artery was one hundred percent block.

2926
02:35:20,360 --> 02:35:23,000
Speaker 5: So I had blood clots literally all over my body.

2927
02:35:23,520 --> 02:35:26,160
Speaker 5: One of the blood clots broke off and went to

2928
02:35:26,440 --> 02:35:29,600
Speaker 5: the smaller veins in my foot, which is what made

2929
02:35:30,200 --> 02:35:33,120
Speaker 5: my right foot go non And that is when the

2930
02:35:33,200 --> 02:35:36,600
Speaker 5: alarm went off to say, hey, something is wrong here.

2931
02:35:36,680 --> 02:35:39,280
Speaker 5: You need to get to the hospital, because you know,

2932
02:35:39,400 --> 02:35:41,040
Speaker 5: if it wasn't for that, I could have died in

2933
02:35:41,120 --> 02:35:44,200
Speaker 5: my sleep. You know, I could have it wasn't that

2934
02:35:44,400 --> 02:35:47,000
Speaker 5: severe what my right foot went. Now, I could have

2935
02:35:47,080 --> 02:35:49,320
Speaker 5: laid back down and said, okay, it's just kind of

2936
02:35:49,360 --> 02:35:51,720
Speaker 5: nominal a little bit. I'm gonna take some medicine and

2937
02:35:51,800 --> 02:35:55,800
Speaker 5: go back to sleep, and never woke up. So that

2938
02:35:56,080 --> 02:35:58,760
Speaker 5: was the thing that made me say we got to

2939
02:35:58,840 --> 02:36:02,280
Speaker 5: go to the hospital, and this is more severe than

2940
02:36:02,360 --> 02:36:05,360
Speaker 5: you think. So yeah, so the blood clots. You know,

2941
02:36:05,640 --> 02:36:09,040
Speaker 5: as you're hearing the film, the hematology is sending my

2942
02:36:09,120 --> 02:36:11,240
Speaker 5: blood work to the lab and he's saying, you know,

2943
02:36:11,360 --> 02:36:14,760
Speaker 5: we don't know what it is. You know, you don't

2944
02:36:14,800 --> 02:36:19,080
Speaker 5: have family history of blood clots or things of that nature.

2945
02:36:20,200 --> 02:36:23,080
Speaker 5: So we're still trying to figure out what it is.

2946
02:36:23,400 --> 02:36:25,080
Speaker 5: So it's an a typical situation.

2947
02:36:28,080 --> 02:36:31,160
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm just thundered just hearing you say that, Rick,

2948
02:36:31,160 --> 02:36:33,600
Speaker 1: because you know it could what you basically tell us,

2949
02:36:33,600 --> 02:36:36,080
Speaker 1: it could happen to any one of us the same situation,

2950
02:36:36,240 --> 02:36:39,120
Speaker 1: and we sort of blow it off because you know,

2951
02:36:40,040 --> 02:36:42,640
Speaker 1: especially mad, you know, we're macho and all that. So,

2952
02:36:42,840 --> 02:36:46,000
Speaker 1: you know, little headache. Even though it's intense, it's not

2953
02:36:46,080 --> 02:36:47,760
Speaker 1: a big deal. But listen, we come up on break,

2954
02:36:47,800 --> 02:36:49,520
Speaker 1: whant to come back? Though I wanted the question I

2955
02:36:49,560 --> 02:36:51,840
Speaker 1: got to ask you, do you have regular checkups and

2956
02:36:51,879 --> 02:36:54,959
Speaker 1: medical checkups? You will see the doctor redically regularly, because

2957
02:36:54,959 --> 02:36:57,120
Speaker 1: you know that's the thing that brothers don't do. Let

2958
02:36:57,160 --> 02:36:59,000
Speaker 1: me just tell a fan I did mine yesterday, so

2959
02:37:00,040 --> 02:37:02,959
Speaker 1: deep conversation with my adapted too. So, but I want

2960
02:37:03,000 --> 02:37:05,240
Speaker 1: to hear for you if you do that regularly, and

2961
02:37:05,360 --> 02:37:07,240
Speaker 1: if you do, what did it? Have caught it? So

2962
02:37:07,400 --> 02:37:09,240
Speaker 1: I'll let you explain that when we get back. Family

2963
02:37:09,280 --> 02:37:11,560
Speaker 1: YouTube can join our conversation with our guest. He's a

2964
02:37:11,600 --> 02:37:13,920
Speaker 1: movie maker. You've seen a lot of his movies, his documentaries,

2965
02:37:14,080 --> 02:37:16,240
Speaker 1: James Rick Matthews. He works out of Atlanta. What are

2966
02:37:16,280 --> 02:37:18,320
Speaker 1: your thoughts? Check in with us at eight hundred and

2967
02:37:18,360 --> 02:37:22,000
Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy six ticket won't

2968
02:37:22,040 --> 02:37:24,600
Speaker 1: calls next a Grand Rising family. I'm just sticking with

2969
02:37:24,720 --> 02:37:26,680
Speaker 1: us on this Tuesday morning with that guest movie maker,

2970
02:37:27,120 --> 02:37:29,040
Speaker 1: Rick Mathis. You've probably seen one of his movies, A

2971
02:37:29,480 --> 02:37:32,400
Speaker 1: Contradiction A Question of Faith, and also did another movie

2972
02:37:32,560 --> 02:37:35,240
Speaker 1: as well, another great movie as well, and he's done

2973
02:37:35,360 --> 02:37:38,840
Speaker 1: several documentaries. Did that movie with you? Did that move

2974
02:37:38,879 --> 02:37:41,080
Speaker 1: with Jeremiah Kamar the contradictional question?

2975
02:37:41,440 --> 02:37:41,640
Speaker 11: Yeah?

2976
02:37:42,000 --> 02:37:47,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Contradiction was the name of it.

2977
02:37:48,160 --> 02:37:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's been on here now. Yeah, well

2978
02:37:54,400 --> 02:37:56,680
Speaker 1: you know he's been with us with quite some time too,

2979
02:37:56,800 --> 02:37:59,640
Speaker 1: talking about the movies. So you know, he's gidding that

2980
02:38:00,200 --> 02:38:02,680
Speaker 1: you've been out there and Black Friday and it did

2981
02:38:02,800 --> 02:38:04,840
Speaker 1: documentary you do. I think it did one with Tony

2982
02:38:04,879 --> 02:38:05,480
Speaker 1: Browner as well.

2983
02:38:06,800 --> 02:38:08,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was featured in Black Friday Tony Browner.

2984
02:38:09,120 --> 02:38:12,320
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, So the question I asked you this

2985
02:38:12,360 --> 02:38:15,240
Speaker 1: because a family just checking in Ricks mentioned he's a

2986
02:38:15,320 --> 02:38:19,520
Speaker 1: movie maker, and Rick, he turned what was looking like

2987
02:38:19,760 --> 02:38:22,120
Speaker 1: was going to be a personal tragedy into into another

2988
02:38:22,200 --> 02:38:27,360
Speaker 1: one of his movies, and it's called Heartbeat. So Rick,

2989
02:38:28,120 --> 02:38:31,480
Speaker 1: explain to us the symptoms that you have, because we've

2990
02:38:31,480 --> 02:38:33,840
Speaker 1: got people out there now are probably having the same symptoms.

2991
02:38:33,879 --> 02:38:36,600
Speaker 1: They got a headache of a serious migrant that said, Okay,

2992
02:38:36,600 --> 02:38:39,520
Speaker 1: I've had migraines before. I've had headaches before. You know,

2993
02:38:39,600 --> 02:38:42,080
Speaker 1: it goes laid down or take a tile on or something,

2994
02:38:42,120 --> 02:38:44,920
Speaker 1: and then then it'll blow off and I'm good the

2995
02:38:45,000 --> 02:38:47,040
Speaker 1: next day. Did you go through that or did you

2996
02:38:47,480 --> 02:38:49,840
Speaker 1: immediately feel this is kind of strange.

2997
02:38:51,080 --> 02:38:54,720
Speaker 5: Well, here's the thing for me, Carl. So I've been

2998
02:38:54,840 --> 02:38:58,520
Speaker 5: vegetarian for over twenty five years and I rubbed five

2999
02:38:58,640 --> 02:39:04,039
Speaker 5: miles three or four times a week. Right, So when

3000
02:39:05,360 --> 02:39:10,840
Speaker 5: so when this incident happened, I never had any I

3001
02:39:10,959 --> 02:39:14,800
Speaker 5: never had a headache, I never had chest pain. I

3002
02:39:14,920 --> 02:39:19,640
Speaker 5: never had any of the symptoms that most people have.

3003
02:39:20,520 --> 02:39:24,760
Speaker 5: And the only thing because when it first happened, I say, well,

3004
02:39:24,840 --> 02:39:27,560
Speaker 5: when did I have the heart attack? Because I go

3005
02:39:27,680 --> 02:39:32,160
Speaker 5: into the hospital. My leg at this time is like

3006
02:39:33,240 --> 02:39:35,560
Speaker 5: I felt like a thousand needles was now in my

3007
02:39:35,640 --> 02:39:38,280
Speaker 5: leg because the pain is coming up my leg. So

3008
02:39:38,440 --> 02:39:41,640
Speaker 5: my foot is rougher. I can't feel anything on it,

3009
02:39:42,120 --> 02:39:45,480
Speaker 5: but it felt like a thousand needles were in my leg.

3010
02:39:46,240 --> 02:39:47,880
Speaker 5: And so I go into the hospital and say, hey,

3011
02:39:47,920 --> 02:39:50,760
Speaker 5: I think I'm dehydrated from food poisoning.

3012
02:39:51,280 --> 02:39:51,440
Speaker 3: You know.

3013
02:39:51,520 --> 02:39:54,720
Speaker 5: I think I just need some fluids, you know, can

3014
02:39:55,320 --> 02:39:58,000
Speaker 5: you know, you give me some fluids. And so the

3015
02:39:59,040 --> 02:40:01,040
Speaker 5: receptionist said, okay, yeah, we're going to check you in.

3016
02:40:01,600 --> 02:40:03,560
Speaker 5: Are you having any chest pain? And at the time, no,

3017
02:40:03,640 --> 02:40:06,720
Speaker 5: I wasn't having any chest pain. And she said, well,

3018
02:40:07,200 --> 02:40:08,640
Speaker 5: the first thing we're going to do is we're going

3019
02:40:08,680 --> 02:40:11,879
Speaker 5: to X ray your chests because they know the symptoms.

3020
02:40:12,800 --> 02:40:15,680
Speaker 5: So I said, okay, we just want to rule that out.

3021
02:40:16,959 --> 02:40:19,480
Speaker 5: I go and get the X ray of my chest.

3022
02:40:20,760 --> 02:40:23,720
Speaker 5: They send me back in the waiting area. Two to

3023
02:40:23,840 --> 02:40:27,840
Speaker 5: three minutes later, I get three doctors rushing out to me.

3024
02:40:28,200 --> 02:40:31,680
Speaker 5: Patient mathis and so I said, wow, that was quick.

3025
02:40:32,160 --> 02:40:35,800
Speaker 5: So as we're walking in the back, they say, cold stimmy,

3026
02:40:35,920 --> 02:40:40,520
Speaker 5: patient Mathis. Cold stemmy patient Mathist, and I'm like, cold stimmy,

3027
02:40:40,600 --> 02:40:44,199
Speaker 5: what is that? So cold stimmy means we got fifteen

3028
02:40:44,320 --> 02:40:47,800
Speaker 5: minutes to get this patient in surgery or this patient

3029
02:40:47,840 --> 02:40:51,560
Speaker 5: could be dead. So I didn't learn that I had

3030
02:40:51,600 --> 02:40:54,320
Speaker 5: had a heart attack until I got back in the

3031
02:40:54,959 --> 02:40:57,720
Speaker 5: in the room, in the hospital room, and they told me,

3032
02:40:57,760 --> 02:41:00,320
Speaker 5: they say, well, how you feeling, mister mathis So I

3033
02:41:00,360 --> 02:41:02,800
Speaker 5: feel fine. I just you know, my leg just has

3034
02:41:02,920 --> 02:41:06,400
Speaker 5: this pain, this thriving pain, feel like you know, a

3035
02:41:06,480 --> 02:41:09,840
Speaker 5: thousand needles in it. Where they say, well, you just

3036
02:41:09,959 --> 02:41:13,520
Speaker 5: had a heart attack. And not only did you have

3037
02:41:13,640 --> 02:41:15,920
Speaker 5: a heart attack, you had the worst one you are

3038
02:41:16,000 --> 02:41:19,200
Speaker 5: experiencing the widow maker. They said, we need you to

3039
02:41:19,280 --> 02:41:21,360
Speaker 5: take off those clothes. We got to take you into

3040
02:41:21,480 --> 02:41:26,480
Speaker 5: surgery immediately. So this is someone who goes from never

3041
02:41:26,640 --> 02:41:31,440
Speaker 5: being in the hospital to walking into the emergency room

3042
02:41:31,959 --> 02:41:35,000
Speaker 5: and going straight into surgery because they need to remove

3043
02:41:35,080 --> 02:41:37,880
Speaker 5: the clock from my heart. They need to remove the

3044
02:41:38,000 --> 02:41:42,039
Speaker 5: clot that is blocking blood flow to my foot because

3045
02:41:42,080 --> 02:41:44,480
Speaker 5: I was in jeopardy of losing the foot. You know,

3046
02:41:44,640 --> 02:41:48,360
Speaker 5: had it gone for you know, hours, then my foot

3047
02:41:48,400 --> 02:41:51,280
Speaker 5: would have been gone. They would not have been able

3048
02:41:51,360 --> 02:41:55,280
Speaker 5: to revive it. So to answer your question, no, I

3049
02:41:55,440 --> 02:42:00,760
Speaker 5: did not have any real symptoms that say, hey, you

3050
02:42:00,920 --> 02:42:04,560
Speaker 5: have heart disease. Because that's the thing about heart disease

3051
02:42:04,800 --> 02:42:09,039
Speaker 5: and heart attacks. You can easily write it off as

3052
02:42:09,160 --> 02:42:12,520
Speaker 5: something else. You could easily write it off as Oh,

3053
02:42:12,600 --> 02:42:15,640
Speaker 5: it's just this. Oh, it's just that. There's one young

3054
02:42:15,720 --> 02:42:18,840
Speaker 5: lady in the film Maryam. She had to go to

3055
02:42:18,959 --> 02:42:25,120
Speaker 5: the doctor four times because she kept getting misdiagnosed. The

3056
02:42:25,200 --> 02:42:27,800
Speaker 5: first two times she went to the hospital, they said, oh,

3057
02:42:27,879 --> 02:42:30,760
Speaker 5: you're young, and she thirty five years old. When she

3058
02:42:30,879 --> 02:42:34,360
Speaker 5: experienced heart failure right after giving birth to her fourth child.

3059
02:42:34,800 --> 02:42:37,320
Speaker 5: They said, oh, you're young, you're healthy, there's nothing wrong

3060
02:42:37,400 --> 02:42:40,920
Speaker 5: with you. So she went four times. The first two

3061
02:42:40,959 --> 02:42:43,640
Speaker 5: times they sent her home. The third time she went,

3062
02:42:44,120 --> 02:42:50,200
Speaker 5: they diagnosed her with pneumonia. So she was taking medication

3063
02:42:50,400 --> 02:42:56,000
Speaker 5: for pneumonia, but wasn't getting any better, and so she said,

3064
02:42:56,560 --> 02:42:58,280
Speaker 5: woke up one morning she said, I knew if I

3065
02:42:58,360 --> 02:43:01,400
Speaker 5: didn't get this right today, I might not be here.

3066
02:43:02,480 --> 02:43:06,680
Speaker 5: So she called the medical people on the back of

3067
02:43:06,800 --> 02:43:10,560
Speaker 5: her car, the insurance car, and she said, I need

3068
02:43:10,640 --> 02:43:13,359
Speaker 5: to be seen today. So it was during the holidays,

3069
02:43:13,520 --> 02:43:16,160
Speaker 5: just like you know with me. It was around Thanksgiving

3070
02:43:16,800 --> 02:43:20,640
Speaker 5: and they said, well, we don't have an opening until

3071
02:43:20,680 --> 02:43:24,560
Speaker 5: next week. She said, no, I need to be seen today.

3072
02:43:24,879 --> 02:43:27,240
Speaker 5: And that's one thing like when you know something that's

3073
02:43:27,280 --> 02:43:30,200
Speaker 5: going on with your body, you have to be an

3074
02:43:30,360 --> 02:43:34,640
Speaker 5: advocate because they will send you home with a prescription

3075
02:43:35,040 --> 02:43:38,760
Speaker 5: a pain peel and say that's what it is. And

3076
02:43:38,879 --> 02:43:41,360
Speaker 5: then you go home and you lay down and then,

3077
02:43:41,440 --> 02:43:46,240
Speaker 5: like I often say, you wake up dead. Because several

3078
02:43:46,320 --> 02:43:50,920
Speaker 5: people oftentimes die in their sleep from heart disease. So

3079
02:43:51,080 --> 02:43:54,680
Speaker 5: when you ask what are the precursors, what are the

3080
02:43:54,760 --> 02:44:01,000
Speaker 5: things that happen, it could easily be misdiagnosed as something

3081
02:44:01,120 --> 02:44:06,440
Speaker 5: else because women especially have a fifty percent higher chance

3082
02:44:06,560 --> 02:44:12,760
Speaker 5: of receiving a wrongful diagnosis versus men when experiencing a

3083
02:44:12,840 --> 02:44:17,480
Speaker 5: heart attack or after they've experienced, you know, a heart attack,

3084
02:44:17,520 --> 02:44:20,840
Speaker 5: and that's from the World Health Organization. That's the stat

3085
02:44:20,920 --> 02:44:26,039
Speaker 5: from them, because it could be anything. Because women it's

3086
02:44:26,160 --> 02:44:30,160
Speaker 5: more subtle, you know, as one of the family practitioners said,

3087
02:44:30,560 --> 02:44:33,080
Speaker 5: when they have heart disease or they have, you know,

3088
02:44:33,240 --> 02:44:36,119
Speaker 5: something going on with their heart is typically more subtle.

3089
02:44:36,600 --> 02:44:36,720
Speaker 4: You know.

3090
02:44:36,840 --> 02:44:39,080
Speaker 5: One of the symptoms is, you know, you have this

3091
02:44:39,280 --> 02:44:42,480
Speaker 5: pain down your left arm. That could be a pain

3092
02:44:42,600 --> 02:44:45,040
Speaker 5: in your lower back. It could be a cough. One

3093
02:44:45,080 --> 02:44:47,640
Speaker 5: of the guys in the film had a severe cough

3094
02:44:49,240 --> 02:44:51,160
Speaker 5: and he was telling his wife, baby, I'm just gonna

3095
02:44:51,200 --> 02:44:53,800
Speaker 5: drink some tea, some ginger tea and go lay down

3096
02:44:53,840 --> 02:44:58,400
Speaker 5: against some rest and he did that and he woke

3097
02:44:58,520 --> 02:45:02,760
Speaker 5: up two in the morning or something like that, and

3098
02:45:02,920 --> 02:45:05,760
Speaker 5: he was had this coughing. He was walking down the

3099
02:45:05,840 --> 02:45:08,520
Speaker 5: hall to his wife's room because he had slept in

3100
02:45:08,560 --> 02:45:10,960
Speaker 5: another room because he didn't want to disturb her with

3101
02:45:11,120 --> 02:45:13,680
Speaker 5: the cough, and she was meeting him in the hallway.

3102
02:45:13,800 --> 02:45:17,000
Speaker 5: He just fell in her arms and she said, I'm calling,

3103
02:45:17,360 --> 02:45:22,800
Speaker 5: you know, the ambulance now. So it's not something that's glaring,

3104
02:45:24,280 --> 02:45:29,280
Speaker 5: you know, but it's the number one killer amongst any

3105
02:45:29,360 --> 02:45:29,640
Speaker 5: of the.

3106
02:45:29,760 --> 02:45:30,760
Speaker 11: Diseases that we have.

3107
02:45:31,320 --> 02:45:35,039
Speaker 5: It even beats cancer. But it doesn't get nearly as

3108
02:45:35,160 --> 02:45:39,959
Speaker 5: much attention as cancer because oftentimes when people find out

3109
02:45:40,040 --> 02:45:44,680
Speaker 5: it's too late, they're dead. But whereas cancer cancer, you know,

3110
02:45:44,800 --> 02:45:47,440
Speaker 5: you find out about cancer and then it's you know,

3111
02:45:47,600 --> 02:45:50,800
Speaker 5: you take medicine to go through stage three, stage four.

3112
02:45:51,440 --> 02:45:53,840
Speaker 5: It goes through these stages, so you're able to become

3113
02:45:53,879 --> 02:45:57,560
Speaker 5: an advocate for it. And that's why I'm so motivated

3114
02:45:58,120 --> 02:46:02,840
Speaker 5: and so passionate about this particular subject, because you know,

3115
02:46:03,000 --> 02:46:05,560
Speaker 5: it's a silent killer. I don't know if you've been

3116
02:46:05,640 --> 02:46:09,240
Speaker 5: keeping up with media. In the media, a young lady

3117
02:46:09,280 --> 02:46:11,920
Speaker 5: by the name of Mickey Lee just passed from cardiac risk.

3118
02:46:12,280 --> 02:46:14,960
Speaker 5: She was thirty five years old. She was on the

3119
02:46:15,360 --> 02:46:19,000
Speaker 5: reality show Brothers thirty five years old. I had just

3120
02:46:19,240 --> 02:46:21,440
Speaker 5: did a photo shoot with this lady. I had really

3121
02:46:21,560 --> 02:46:23,720
Speaker 5: just met her, and I knew her for like thirty

3122
02:46:23,760 --> 02:46:27,440
Speaker 5: eight or forty five days. She had a heart attack

3123
02:46:27,959 --> 02:46:32,560
Speaker 5: a couple of days before Christmas. I had just seen

3124
02:46:32,640 --> 02:46:36,400
Speaker 5: a Wednesday at this Christmas party. She had a heart attack.

3125
02:46:36,400 --> 02:46:40,519
Speaker 5: I want to say on Friday, on Christmas days she passed.

3126
02:46:43,440 --> 02:46:45,880
Speaker 1: Right there, thirty minutes after the Top Half family. Did

3127
02:46:45,879 --> 02:46:47,920
Speaker 1: you seeing the story about Rick Rick Matthews. He's a

3128
02:46:47,959 --> 02:46:51,400
Speaker 1: movie maker. There's a lot of documentaries as well. It's

3129
02:46:51,440 --> 02:46:54,680
Speaker 1: well known he's out there, but he came close to death.

3130
02:46:54,720 --> 02:46:56,760
Speaker 1: He's sharing us with this and Rick I got like

3131
02:46:56,959 --> 02:47:00,440
Speaker 1: five tweets from people all across the country and the

3132
02:47:00,600 --> 02:47:03,640
Speaker 1: question they're asking you, and I'll just read one. Unfortunately,

3133
02:47:03,720 --> 02:47:06,120
Speaker 1: the brother had trouble with the blood clots. Can you

3134
02:47:06,320 --> 02:47:09,000
Speaker 1: ask him? Did he take the jab? They all want

3135
02:47:09,040 --> 02:47:10,240
Speaker 1: to know, did he take the jab?

3136
02:47:11,640 --> 02:47:16,680
Speaker 5: I did not take the jab. I did not because

3137
02:47:16,720 --> 02:47:20,200
Speaker 5: I knew you're right. That's one of the issues, and

3138
02:47:20,360 --> 02:47:25,000
Speaker 5: that's the reason why you're going to see more more people,

3139
02:47:25,720 --> 02:47:29,640
Speaker 5: you know, coming up with these heart conditions, because you're right,

3140
02:47:29,840 --> 02:47:32,920
Speaker 5: that is one of the things that it does.

3141
02:47:33,440 --> 02:47:37,520
Speaker 1: But I didn't take it, yeah, because that's what we've

3142
02:47:37,520 --> 02:47:40,359
Speaker 1: been hearing all these reports of people have heart attacks

3143
02:47:40,640 --> 02:47:43,560
Speaker 1: at least no blood clots that they took the job.

3144
02:47:43,600 --> 02:47:46,039
Speaker 1: And it goes back to the JAB. So I'm glad

3145
02:47:46,080 --> 02:47:48,560
Speaker 1: you didn't take the JAB. But it's still but you still,

3146
02:47:48,800 --> 02:47:51,840
Speaker 1: you know, you still were impacted by this. So did

3147
02:47:51,879 --> 02:47:54,400
Speaker 1: they give you a reason why though? Because she says

3148
02:47:54,440 --> 02:47:59,000
Speaker 1: you're a vegetarian, your acting, you know, but it's still

3149
02:47:59,800 --> 02:48:00,560
Speaker 1: you were affected?

3150
02:48:00,959 --> 02:48:01,120
Speaker 3: Is it?

3151
02:48:01,240 --> 02:48:01,600
Speaker 4: It was it?

3152
02:48:01,840 --> 02:48:04,160
Speaker 1: Could you? Was it something in you in your family

3153
02:48:04,280 --> 02:48:07,000
Speaker 1: or something or what was it? What did doctors tell you?

3154
02:48:08,959 --> 02:48:11,400
Speaker 5: The doctors said, we don't know how this happened to you,

3155
02:48:11,680 --> 02:48:13,160
Speaker 5: and we don't know how you survive.

3156
02:48:14,959 --> 02:48:15,119
Speaker 6: Now.

3157
02:48:15,240 --> 02:48:20,560
Speaker 5: The thing that they later found out was because of

3158
02:48:20,640 --> 02:48:24,640
Speaker 5: the fact that I run five mials three times a week,

3159
02:48:25,560 --> 02:48:28,720
Speaker 5: my body started growing different pathways to get blood flow

3160
02:48:28,760 --> 02:48:37,640
Speaker 5: and oxygen around that blocked area. So it was like

3161
02:48:37,760 --> 02:48:41,480
Speaker 5: I had a mass that grew around my heart to

3162
02:48:41,560 --> 02:48:45,560
Speaker 5: get blood flow and oxygen to where it needed to go.

3163
02:48:46,560 --> 02:48:51,000
Speaker 5: Because I never experienced shortness of breath. I never experienced

3164
02:48:51,120 --> 02:48:54,640
Speaker 5: none of the the the warning signs that people have,

3165
02:48:55,600 --> 02:48:59,800
Speaker 5: uh fatigue a little. But if I was experiencing fatigue,

3166
02:48:59,800 --> 02:49:01,240
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, I just need to go wrong

3167
02:49:01,320 --> 02:49:04,080
Speaker 5: because you know I haven't run. My body's conditioned to

3168
02:49:04,200 --> 02:49:07,080
Speaker 5: run it. So if I'm not operating that just optimal

3169
02:49:08,080 --> 02:49:13,240
Speaker 5: thing here, then you know, did I get fatigued? That's

3170
02:49:13,280 --> 02:49:15,240
Speaker 5: my body saying hey, get back out here and wrong.

3171
02:49:15,840 --> 02:49:18,120
Speaker 5: But I don't know if you had a chance to

3172
02:49:18,160 --> 02:49:20,320
Speaker 5: watch the trailer. But in the trailer, I say, I

3173
02:49:20,440 --> 02:49:27,520
Speaker 5: can clude with what I wasn't poison. Yeah I did

3174
02:49:27,640 --> 02:49:29,280
Speaker 5: watch That's true thing that I can clude with.

3175
02:49:30,040 --> 02:49:33,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did watch the trail at rigause. It got me.

3176
02:49:33,959 --> 02:49:36,360
Speaker 1: That was that was something that you put out there

3177
02:49:36,360 --> 02:49:38,480
Speaker 1: in that trail. That that that But you know this

3178
02:49:38,640 --> 02:49:41,600
Speaker 1: is what you do. But Rick, so what do you

3179
02:49:41,680 --> 02:49:41,960
Speaker 1: what do you?

3180
02:49:42,240 --> 02:49:42,520
Speaker 3: What do you?

3181
02:49:43,240 --> 02:49:45,360
Speaker 1: What do you attribute it to? Though you know you

3182
02:49:45,520 --> 02:49:49,320
Speaker 1: rule out all those things and again you eating right, exercising,

3183
02:49:49,440 --> 02:49:51,000
Speaker 1: doing all the things you should do that it's not

3184
02:49:51,120 --> 02:49:53,800
Speaker 1: in your family. He didn't take the jab, So what

3185
02:49:54,040 --> 02:49:55,120
Speaker 1: was it? What did they tell you?

3186
02:49:57,200 --> 02:50:01,320
Speaker 5: Again, the doctors didn't know. I like, when you hit

3187
02:50:02,520 --> 02:50:06,560
Speaker 5: in this film, the doctors are like, the cardiologists said,

3188
02:50:07,080 --> 02:50:09,520
Speaker 5: you had these blood clots, and normally the blood clots

3189
02:50:09,560 --> 02:50:12,760
Speaker 5: come from plaque or cholesterol. But I don't know where

3190
02:50:12,760 --> 02:50:15,680
Speaker 5: these blood clots came from. They came from somewhere. That's

3191
02:50:16,000 --> 02:50:22,640
Speaker 5: the cardiologist. The blood doctor said, we sent your blood

3192
02:50:22,720 --> 02:50:24,800
Speaker 5: to the lab, you know, because I wanted them to

3193
02:50:24,879 --> 02:50:26,960
Speaker 5: help me try to figure out what was going on,

3194
02:50:27,959 --> 02:50:28,800
Speaker 5: and they didn't.

3195
02:50:28,600 --> 02:50:29,440
Speaker 4: Know what was going on.

3196
02:50:30,760 --> 02:50:32,640
Speaker 5: So the only thing that I can go back to

3197
02:50:33,080 --> 02:50:36,680
Speaker 5: is what my spiritual mom said. Sheila, who's featured in

3198
02:50:36,760 --> 02:50:39,840
Speaker 5: the film. We use AI to create a scene with

3199
02:50:39,920 --> 02:50:42,959
Speaker 5: her in the film. If you don't leave that woman,

3200
02:50:43,760 --> 02:50:44,840
Speaker 5: somebody could.

3201
02:50:44,800 --> 02:50:45,360
Speaker 4: End up dead.

3202
02:50:49,040 --> 02:50:50,600
Speaker 1: Wow, how's she doing?

3203
02:50:50,840 --> 02:50:51,200
Speaker 4: Did you know?

3204
02:50:52,720 --> 02:50:57,080
Speaker 5: I don't know. I stopped communicating with them. I blocked

3205
02:50:57,120 --> 02:50:57,560
Speaker 5: the number.

3206
02:50:57,720 --> 02:50:58,360
Speaker 3: I know.

3207
02:51:00,000 --> 02:51:02,920
Speaker 5: Because when somebody tell you something like that, who you

3208
02:51:03,120 --> 02:51:06,720
Speaker 5: don't know, but have read you like a book and

3209
02:51:06,840 --> 02:51:11,560
Speaker 5: tell you everything about you, you gotta listen. You have

3210
02:51:12,000 --> 02:51:12,560
Speaker 5: to listen.

3211
02:51:14,600 --> 02:51:15,360
Speaker 4: You have to listen.

3212
02:51:16,080 --> 02:51:20,080
Speaker 5: So it's some storylines in the film that you're gonna

3213
02:51:20,480 --> 02:51:23,720
Speaker 5: see and you're gonna hear. And at the end of

3214
02:51:23,760 --> 02:51:27,640
Speaker 5: the day, I'm really just asking questions as a journalist

3215
02:51:27,720 --> 02:51:31,039
Speaker 5: that I am. I'm a photo journalist to say, hey,

3216
02:51:31,120 --> 02:51:34,560
Speaker 5: tell me what you think it is. You know what

3217
02:51:34,560 --> 02:51:37,920
Speaker 5: I'm saying because I don't want to cue somebody, but

3218
02:51:38,160 --> 02:51:43,960
Speaker 5: all size point to foul play. This is somebody who

3219
02:51:44,560 --> 02:51:48,640
Speaker 5: has been vegetarian for over twenty five years, has never

3220
02:51:48,879 --> 02:51:51,360
Speaker 5: been in the hospital for no healment, not even a

3221
02:51:51,440 --> 02:51:56,200
Speaker 5: broken bob. Walk in the hospital and they call a

3222
02:51:56,320 --> 02:52:01,840
Speaker 5: cold stemmy because of blood clots in the body, and not.

3223
02:52:02,040 --> 02:52:02,880
Speaker 4: Just one or two.

3224
02:52:04,040 --> 02:52:09,840
Speaker 5: The hematologists said, these blood clocks touched every organ in

3225
02:52:10,000 --> 02:52:15,200
Speaker 5: your body. They had me on hepron. Hepron is one

3226
02:52:15,240 --> 02:52:17,840
Speaker 5: of the strongest blood dinners that you could be on.

3227
02:52:19,240 --> 02:52:21,880
Speaker 5: So when you see the film, you see me on

3228
02:52:22,000 --> 02:52:25,080
Speaker 5: the first day I did. I was in ICU and

3229
02:52:25,200 --> 02:52:27,920
Speaker 5: I was able to walk. You see me walking with

3230
02:52:28,120 --> 02:52:33,240
Speaker 5: a machine which is hepron around the hospital.

3231
02:52:37,360 --> 02:52:41,920
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm almost speech It's twenty four way from the top.

3232
02:52:42,000 --> 02:52:44,440
Speaker 1: Then with somebody calling the studio want to know what

3233
02:52:44,560 --> 02:52:48,320
Speaker 1: should a person without health insurance do with those symptoms

3234
02:52:48,440 --> 02:52:50,320
Speaker 1: because it say it's the tests are expensive. Do you

3235
02:52:50,360 --> 02:52:52,400
Speaker 1: have any help for that person? Rick?

3236
02:52:52,800 --> 02:52:57,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's an excellent question because in the film, in

3237
02:52:57,680 --> 02:53:03,120
Speaker 5: episode three, I talk about out Trump, and you know

3238
02:53:03,280 --> 02:53:08,000
Speaker 5: what's going on with health insurance and you know, raising premiums, uh,

3239
02:53:08,160 --> 02:53:11,680
Speaker 5: raising copays and things of that nature. So the thing

3240
02:53:11,800 --> 02:53:16,600
Speaker 5: that I would the death is going to the clinic

3241
02:53:17,480 --> 02:53:20,280
Speaker 5: and if you're experiencing you know, chest pain or some

3242
02:53:20,520 --> 02:53:23,480
Speaker 5: of the some of the things that I said, you

3243
02:53:23,560 --> 02:53:26,480
Speaker 5: know the call the pain behind your knee, the pain

3244
02:53:26,560 --> 02:53:29,080
Speaker 5: in your lower back, I would I would say, go

3245
02:53:29,240 --> 02:53:32,280
Speaker 5: to you know, the clinic and uh if you can

3246
02:53:32,360 --> 02:53:35,760
Speaker 5: get some of the uh A stress test ran on

3247
02:53:35,879 --> 02:53:39,160
Speaker 5: you as one of them, the EKG test, the echo

3248
02:53:39,280 --> 02:53:45,600
Speaker 5: cardiogram tests, the angiogram tests, any of those tests, you know,

3249
02:53:45,720 --> 02:53:51,199
Speaker 5: the calcium calcium score tests, any of these particular tests

3250
02:53:52,080 --> 02:53:54,240
Speaker 5: ran on you. That A check your A one C

3251
02:53:54,520 --> 02:53:59,400
Speaker 5: because diabetes is a precursor to heart disease, you know.

3252
02:53:59,640 --> 02:54:01,680
Speaker 5: And if if you can't, you know, if you can't

3253
02:54:01,720 --> 02:54:05,040
Speaker 5: get any help with that. The other thing that I

3254
02:54:05,080 --> 02:54:10,760
Speaker 5: would suggest is to get active, to walk as much

3255
02:54:10,800 --> 02:54:14,640
Speaker 5: as you can. You know, I like to do ten

3256
02:54:14,680 --> 02:54:18,119
Speaker 5: thousand steps at least three times a week, ten thousand.

3257
02:54:17,959 --> 02:54:20,440
Speaker 1: Rick Hold, I thought, right there, I'm looking at the clock.

3258
02:54:20,440 --> 02:54:21,880
Speaker 1: We gotta take our last break, but I'll let you

3259
02:54:21,920 --> 02:54:23,360
Speaker 1: finish it. That because this is just important, This is

3260
02:54:23,600 --> 02:54:25,560
Speaker 1: very very important. I want you to share that with

3261
02:54:25,640 --> 02:54:28,240
Speaker 1: the family. Twenty two minutes away from the tom Day family.

3262
02:54:28,520 --> 02:54:30,560
Speaker 1: I guess it's Rick Matthews. He's a movie maker. You've

3263
02:54:30,680 --> 02:54:33,880
Speaker 1: probably seen one of his movies as well. And this

3264
02:54:34,120 --> 02:54:35,959
Speaker 1: next movie you probably got to watch as well. It's

3265
02:54:35,959 --> 02:54:37,680
Speaker 1: called heart Attack, and this is what he's talking about.

3266
02:54:37,720 --> 02:54:41,440
Speaker 1: It's a personal story about him having a heart attack.

3267
02:54:41,520 --> 02:54:43,160
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? Eight hundred and four or five

3268
02:54:43,280 --> 02:54:46,480
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and I'm called speak to

3269
02:54:46,520 --> 02:54:48,720
Speaker 1: Rick and we'll take your phone calls next. Thank grand

3270
02:54:48,800 --> 02:54:50,960
Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on this Tuesday

3271
02:54:50,959 --> 02:54:53,240
Speaker 1: morning here with our guest movie maker, Rick Matthis and

3272
02:54:53,320 --> 02:54:57,160
Speaker 1: Rick his latest production one it's about himself. It's called Heartbeat,

3273
02:54:57,280 --> 02:55:01,160
Speaker 1: and it's a docu series. He came close to death

3274
02:55:01,240 --> 02:55:03,560
Speaker 1: with having a heart attack and he's sharing this with us.

3275
02:55:04,040 --> 02:55:04,160
Speaker 3: Rick.

3276
02:55:04,200 --> 02:55:05,600
Speaker 1: I'll let you finish your thought and I want to

3277
02:55:05,720 --> 02:55:07,560
Speaker 1: ask you about some of the folks are involved, because

3278
02:55:07,560 --> 02:55:10,520
Speaker 1: I see that doctor Tates down there. He's one of

3279
02:55:10,560 --> 02:55:13,480
Speaker 1: our regular guessta and I guess you also spoke with

3280
02:55:14,760 --> 02:55:17,760
Speaker 1: my racial speaker Les Brown and a save year old

3281
02:55:17,840 --> 02:55:20,240
Speaker 1: and also a thirty for your old mother as well.

3282
02:55:20,560 --> 02:55:22,000
Speaker 1: So I'll let you finish your thought then tell us

3283
02:55:22,000 --> 02:55:24,640
Speaker 1: about those those folks who are in this docu series.

3284
02:55:26,240 --> 02:55:29,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, so again, this is the Heartbeat docuseries. You can

3285
02:55:29,680 --> 02:55:34,680
Speaker 5: definitely go to a heartbeatdocuseriies dot com to watch the trailer.

3286
02:55:34,800 --> 02:55:37,000
Speaker 5: Because I want you to watch this trailer. I want

3287
02:55:37,040 --> 02:55:40,760
Speaker 5: you to share this trailer with your family members because

3288
02:55:40,800 --> 02:55:44,440
Speaker 5: it could literally save lives. You know, because once you

3289
02:55:45,040 --> 02:55:48,480
Speaker 5: are aware of what the warning times are and what

3290
02:55:48,680 --> 02:55:51,800
Speaker 5: the tests are to determine the condition of your heart,

3291
02:55:52,280 --> 02:55:55,320
Speaker 5: you know, I believe that you'll be proactive. You know,

3292
02:55:55,480 --> 02:56:00,600
Speaker 5: there's a staff that is from the National institut of Health.

3293
02:56:01,040 --> 02:56:04,480
Speaker 5: One hundred and fifty minutes a week of moderate activity

3294
02:56:04,959 --> 02:56:08,280
Speaker 5: puts you at lower risk of heart disease. Just one

3295
02:56:08,360 --> 02:56:11,840
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty thirty minutes a day for five days

3296
02:56:11,879 --> 02:56:14,280
Speaker 5: a week, if you just do that, that will put

3297
02:56:14,320 --> 02:56:17,360
Speaker 5: you at Lord. It's one of the most profound things

3298
02:56:17,440 --> 02:56:22,040
Speaker 5: that I learned while producing this film is that your

3299
02:56:22,160 --> 02:56:27,200
Speaker 5: calf muscles is considered your second heart Well. Why are

3300
02:56:27,240 --> 02:56:29,440
Speaker 5: your calf muscles to consider your second heartbreak?

3301
02:56:29,520 --> 02:56:29,880
Speaker 3: Methods?

3302
02:56:30,360 --> 02:56:34,960
Speaker 5: Well, the reason why is because half muscles do is

3303
02:56:35,080 --> 02:56:39,840
Speaker 5: it helps to put against gravity back up to your heart.

3304
02:56:41,240 --> 02:56:44,000
Speaker 5: So your calf muscles actually helped to pump blood. So

3305
02:56:44,160 --> 02:56:46,320
Speaker 5: the gentleman who was in the film who was complaining

3306
02:56:46,480 --> 02:56:50,800
Speaker 5: of a severe pain behind the knee, what was happening

3307
02:56:51,000 --> 02:56:55,680
Speaker 5: is that his calf muscles was overworking to compensate for

3308
02:56:56,360 --> 02:56:58,800
Speaker 5: his heart being so weak and the blockage that will

3309
02:56:58,840 --> 02:57:03,480
Speaker 5: have built up around his heart. So another solution is

3310
02:57:03,879 --> 02:57:09,040
Speaker 5: the Mediterranean style diet lowers your risk at about twenty

3311
02:57:09,120 --> 02:57:13,360
Speaker 5: eight percent of any major cardiovascular.

3312
02:57:12,959 --> 02:57:13,920
Speaker 4: Disease or event.

3313
02:57:14,440 --> 02:57:18,320
Speaker 5: So if you just incorporate that the Mediterranean diet, you know,

3314
02:57:18,440 --> 02:57:23,640
Speaker 5: these are things that you can easily do to assist

3315
02:57:23,760 --> 02:57:26,199
Speaker 5: your heart being active. One of the things I also

3316
02:57:26,320 --> 02:57:29,400
Speaker 5: learned is just if you're sit a lot, just raising

3317
02:57:29,560 --> 02:57:33,800
Speaker 5: your toes while you're sitting helps to activate those calf

3318
02:57:33,920 --> 02:57:37,160
Speaker 5: muscles and work those calf muscles to help pop blood

3319
02:57:37,280 --> 02:57:39,800
Speaker 5: back up to the heart so the heart doesn't have

3320
02:57:39,959 --> 02:57:42,800
Speaker 5: to work as hard. So those are just some simple

3321
02:57:42,920 --> 02:57:44,959
Speaker 5: solutions that we offer in the film.

3322
02:57:45,400 --> 02:57:46,920
Speaker 4: Now you ask who's.

3323
02:57:46,720 --> 02:57:50,320
Speaker 5: Featured in the film. Yes, Doctor Stephen Takes is in

3324
02:57:50,480 --> 02:57:54,000
Speaker 5: the film. You know he's visited Hens of Office and

3325
02:57:54,480 --> 02:58:00,720
Speaker 5: got some amazing, amazing footage doctor doctor Les Brown motivational

3326
02:58:00,800 --> 02:58:04,520
Speaker 5: speech here is is featured in the film. He's living

3327
02:58:04,600 --> 02:58:07,440
Speaker 5: with six stents in his heart right now, a lot

3328
02:58:07,480 --> 02:58:10,280
Speaker 5: of people know about, you know, his bout with cancer,

3329
02:58:10,760 --> 02:58:13,120
Speaker 5: but this is a man who has been living with

3330
02:58:13,280 --> 02:58:17,160
Speaker 5: six stints in his heart for twenty thirty years. You know,

3331
02:58:17,280 --> 02:58:22,000
Speaker 5: there's a thirty thirty four year old mom who experienced

3332
02:58:22,200 --> 02:58:25,280
Speaker 5: heart disease after giving birth, you know, to her fourth child.

3333
02:58:25,400 --> 02:58:32,039
Speaker 5: Because heart disease oftentimes happens after giving birth. Heart failure

3334
02:58:32,160 --> 02:58:35,880
Speaker 5: is what it's called. It happens after giving birth to

3335
02:58:35,959 --> 02:58:39,320
Speaker 5: a child. So if you you know, thinking well I'm

3336
02:58:39,360 --> 02:58:42,560
Speaker 5: young and this is for old people, I'm here to

3337
02:58:42,640 --> 02:58:44,960
Speaker 5: tell you as not. You know, we have a seven

3338
02:58:45,080 --> 02:58:48,400
Speaker 5: year old in the film that had open heart surgery

3339
02:58:48,440 --> 02:58:51,560
Speaker 5: at just seven days old. You know, she was born

3340
02:58:51,680 --> 02:58:55,560
Speaker 5: with two ventricles going to the right, so they had

3341
02:58:55,640 --> 02:58:59,920
Speaker 5: to do open heart surgery to repair one of those ventricles,

3342
02:59:00,080 --> 02:59:01,760
Speaker 5: make one go to the right and one go to

3343
02:59:01,840 --> 02:59:05,600
Speaker 5: the left. So it's some amazing stories. You know, that's

3344
02:59:05,720 --> 02:59:06,800
Speaker 5: that's in this film.

3345
02:59:07,240 --> 02:59:08,120
Speaker 4: And again you know.

3346
02:59:08,200 --> 02:59:11,760
Speaker 5: It's a Heartbeat Docy series dot com and follow me

3347
02:59:12,000 --> 02:59:15,920
Speaker 5: Rick matthis Rick without the K on all social media's platforms.

3348
02:59:15,959 --> 02:59:18,800
Speaker 5: That's Rick R I C math is M A T

3349
02:59:19,080 --> 02:59:19,600
Speaker 5: H I s.

3350
02:59:21,240 --> 02:59:23,600
Speaker 1: Rick twelve away from the top. He didn't share with us.

3351
02:59:23,640 --> 02:59:26,160
Speaker 1: So what was the actual procedure? What do they do

3352
02:59:26,320 --> 02:59:26,560
Speaker 1: for you?

3353
02:59:28,520 --> 02:59:31,080
Speaker 5: So for me, luckily I didn't have to get cracked open.

3354
02:59:31,600 --> 02:59:31,720
Speaker 3: Uh.

3355
02:59:31,840 --> 02:59:36,800
Speaker 5: They were able to go in through man, I'll tell

3356
02:59:36,800 --> 02:59:39,280
Speaker 5: you technology is so fascinating now. They were able to

3357
02:59:39,360 --> 02:59:41,840
Speaker 5: go in through one of the arteries in my leg,

3358
02:59:41,959 --> 02:59:47,600
Speaker 5: in my growing area and unclot the uh, the the

3359
02:59:47,680 --> 02:59:50,840
Speaker 5: blood clot that was in my leg and unclothed the

3360
02:59:50,959 --> 02:59:53,920
Speaker 5: one that was in uh in the main artery of

3361
02:59:54,040 --> 02:59:57,280
Speaker 5: my heart. So they can go in through your growing area.

3362
02:59:57,879 --> 03:00:00,879
Speaker 5: And then they went in through my wrists to check,

3363
03:00:01,280 --> 03:00:03,720
Speaker 5: you know. So they went back in, you know after

3364
03:00:03,920 --> 03:00:07,040
Speaker 5: I was in the hospital for about seven days, just

3365
03:00:07,160 --> 03:00:09,800
Speaker 5: to make sure, you know, all the blockage were still clear.

3366
03:00:10,480 --> 03:00:13,080
Speaker 5: And that's what happened, so I didn't have to get

3367
03:00:13,160 --> 03:00:17,560
Speaker 5: cracked up. And they simply it's called it angiogram, I believe,

3368
03:00:17,760 --> 03:00:19,720
Speaker 5: where they go in with the camera and they shoot

3369
03:00:19,840 --> 03:00:22,800
Speaker 5: die and you know, that's how they determine the blockage.

3370
03:00:22,879 --> 03:00:25,600
Speaker 5: But then it's a similar procedure when they go in

3371
03:00:25,720 --> 03:00:27,680
Speaker 5: and they suck the blood clod out.

3372
03:00:29,640 --> 03:00:32,800
Speaker 1: Well, are you allowed to go back and exercise now?

3373
03:00:32,840 --> 03:00:35,560
Speaker 1: Whether they recommending that or that, you got to take

3374
03:00:35,560 --> 03:00:36,440
Speaker 1: it easier for a while.

3375
03:00:37,520 --> 03:00:43,520
Speaker 5: So so again, Carl, believe it or not, I was

3376
03:00:43,600 --> 03:00:48,200
Speaker 5: out of the hospital on December the eighth, I want

3377
03:00:48,240 --> 03:00:50,480
Speaker 5: to say I was back in the gym. I need

3378
03:00:50,600 --> 03:00:54,640
Speaker 5: to pull up that video. I was back in the

3379
03:00:54,760 --> 03:01:00,600
Speaker 5: gym walking maybe a week later December fifteenth. By the

3380
03:01:00,680 --> 03:01:05,360
Speaker 5: top of January, I was back running three miles. Now

3381
03:01:05,360 --> 03:01:10,120
Speaker 5: I'm back up to five miles. Because again, running is

3382
03:01:10,200 --> 03:01:12,560
Speaker 5: the thing that saved my life. So when you watch

3383
03:01:12,640 --> 03:01:15,760
Speaker 5: the movie trailer, you see me running on the Beltline

3384
03:01:15,800 --> 03:01:19,120
Speaker 5: here in Atlanta. The Beltline is a trail twenty two

3385
03:01:19,200 --> 03:01:21,400
Speaker 5: mile loop that goes around the city of Atlanta that

3386
03:01:21,520 --> 03:01:24,640
Speaker 5: people actually go on and run and bike and skate

3387
03:01:24,879 --> 03:01:29,640
Speaker 5: and all of that. But you see me running. That's

3388
03:01:29,680 --> 03:01:32,560
Speaker 5: why I'm running in the film, because I was literally

3389
03:01:32,720 --> 03:01:37,120
Speaker 5: running for my life literally and didn't know it, didn't

3390
03:01:37,160 --> 03:01:40,880
Speaker 5: have thisightest clue. So again I go back to that,

3391
03:01:41,120 --> 03:01:43,360
Speaker 5: I have to run. I just did five miles yesterday

3392
03:01:43,400 --> 03:01:45,840
Speaker 5: in the gym. I have to run in order to

3393
03:01:45,879 --> 03:01:48,160
Speaker 5: stay alive. That's my theory and that's what I believe

3394
03:01:48,560 --> 03:01:52,800
Speaker 5: because when I'm not running, my body feels different, it

3395
03:01:52,879 --> 03:01:58,200
Speaker 5: feels totally different. So counter steps. I can't stress it enough.

3396
03:01:58,920 --> 03:02:03,400
Speaker 5: Two thousand steps equals one mile. Challenge yourself to do

3397
03:02:03,560 --> 03:02:07,360
Speaker 5: at least four to six thousand steps, you know, three

3398
03:02:07,400 --> 03:02:08,760
Speaker 5: to three to four times a week.

3399
03:02:10,680 --> 03:02:12,120
Speaker 1: So what are we telling? How many miles is that

3400
03:02:12,240 --> 03:02:12,520
Speaker 1: a week?

3401
03:02:14,440 --> 03:02:18,720
Speaker 5: So if you if you do, my goal is to

3402
03:02:18,840 --> 03:02:21,840
Speaker 5: do five miles a day, three times a week, so

3403
03:02:21,959 --> 03:02:26,480
Speaker 5: that's fifteen miles a week. And if you equate that

3404
03:02:26,680 --> 03:02:33,199
Speaker 5: to steps, that's so five thousand miles is ten thousand steps.

3405
03:02:33,360 --> 03:02:36,080
Speaker 5: I mean five miles is ten thousand steps, so that'll

3406
03:02:36,080 --> 03:02:37,640
Speaker 5: be thirty thousand steps in a week.

3407
03:02:39,760 --> 03:02:42,199
Speaker 1: And family, don't don't be put out by those numbers,

3408
03:02:42,200 --> 03:02:45,600
Speaker 1: even if you don't hit that mark, you know, as numbers.

3409
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we have to stay active. I once heard,

3410
03:02:51,200 --> 03:02:54,720
Speaker 5: you know, a wise man say anything that stagnant needs

3411
03:02:54,760 --> 03:02:57,640
Speaker 5: to be buried. The body is made to move, the

3412
03:02:57,760 --> 03:02:59,680
Speaker 5: body is made to be active.

3413
03:03:00,400 --> 03:03:04,199
Speaker 4: You have to be active, but you also have to eat.

3414
03:03:04,120 --> 03:03:07,840
Speaker 5: Right and detox the body as well, you know, So

3415
03:03:08,600 --> 03:03:11,120
Speaker 5: eat right, don't put a lot of I didn't have

3416
03:03:11,280 --> 03:03:15,920
Speaker 5: any cholesterol or plaque build up in my arteries because

3417
03:03:16,000 --> 03:03:19,960
Speaker 5: why I wasn't eating all the junk. I don't eat

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03:03:20,000 --> 03:03:20,880
Speaker 5: all of the junk.

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03:03:21,120 --> 03:03:21,280
Speaker 1: You know.

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03:03:21,360 --> 03:03:24,560
Speaker 5: I start my morning off typically with a bowl of oatmeal.

3421
03:03:25,640 --> 03:03:27,600
Speaker 5: You know, oatmeal is my friend. It's one of the

3422
03:03:27,640 --> 03:03:30,800
Speaker 5: favorite things you know that I love to eat. Because

3423
03:03:30,840 --> 03:03:35,119
Speaker 5: you don't want to overwork the heart. The cardiovascular doctor

3424
03:03:35,120 --> 03:03:38,600
Speaker 5: that is featured in the film, doctor William Cooper, said this,

3425
03:03:39,040 --> 03:03:42,560
Speaker 5: and this was so profound to me. He said, I've

3426
03:03:42,760 --> 03:03:48,960
Speaker 5: cured a lot of ended heart burned with open heart surgery.

3427
03:03:50,320 --> 03:03:53,880
Speaker 5: Now what does that mean, Rick Methis that means that

3428
03:03:54,200 --> 03:03:58,480
Speaker 5: one of the key indicator of heart disease is heart

3429
03:03:58,920 --> 03:04:04,640
Speaker 5: burned because your heart is literally overworking and it's burning.

3430
03:04:04,840 --> 03:04:09,080
Speaker 5: It's about to burn out. So therefore you have acid reflux.

3431
03:04:09,680 --> 03:04:14,199
Speaker 5: You have a severe case of heartburn. And that's something

3432
03:04:14,440 --> 03:04:18,480
Speaker 5: very simple that we don't think about. Oh I got

3433
03:04:18,520 --> 03:04:21,640
Speaker 5: this heartburn. I wings last night. That's why you don't

3434
03:04:21,720 --> 03:04:24,480
Speaker 5: have any heartburn. Or I ate something spicy, That's why

3435
03:04:24,520 --> 03:04:27,760
Speaker 5: I'm having a heartburn. No, you're having a heartburn because

3436
03:04:27,840 --> 03:04:32,200
Speaker 5: your heart is crying out for help and that's one

3437
03:04:32,240 --> 03:04:36,760
Speaker 5: of the symptoms severe heartburn, and sometimes it could be mild.

3438
03:04:36,840 --> 03:04:39,760
Speaker 5: It don't necessarily have to be severe, Like I had

3439
03:04:39,879 --> 03:04:44,240
Speaker 5: heartburn as well too. But I was just thinking, Hey,

3440
03:04:44,440 --> 03:04:48,160
Speaker 5: you know, I'm eating too much spicy food because I

3441
03:04:48,240 --> 03:04:52,480
Speaker 5: love spicy food. So as you can see, it could

3442
03:04:52,480 --> 03:04:56,959
Speaker 5: be something that you can easily write off as something else.

3443
03:04:58,480 --> 03:05:02,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope you're asking that, Yeah, Rick, because you

3444
03:05:02,600 --> 03:05:06,840
Speaker 1: you ate, right, you exercised, yet still you were close

3445
03:05:06,959 --> 03:05:11,560
Speaker 1: to meeting the window maker. What could he have done different?

3446
03:05:11,600 --> 03:05:13,000
Speaker 1: Do you have a scribe chance? What could I have

3447
03:05:13,120 --> 03:05:15,880
Speaker 1: done differently? Because you know other people are listening to

3448
03:05:16,000 --> 03:05:19,119
Speaker 1: us right now, they're still eating junk, They don't work out,

3449
03:05:19,400 --> 03:05:21,440
Speaker 1: They sit in front of the TV and a computer

3450
03:05:21,560 --> 03:05:24,080
Speaker 1: all day long. They don't They won't even take a walk.

3451
03:05:26,080 --> 03:05:28,880
Speaker 1: Did you did you think go ahead?

3452
03:05:30,280 --> 03:05:32,640
Speaker 5: Well, and that's the question that I asked, like, what

3453
03:05:32,760 --> 03:05:35,000
Speaker 5: else could I have done? Like this shouldn't have happened

3454
03:05:35,040 --> 03:05:39,640
Speaker 5: to me. Well, that's why I came to the conclusion

3455
03:05:40,400 --> 03:05:42,720
Speaker 5: that I acted in the trailer. Was it plaque or

3456
03:05:42,920 --> 03:05:43,720
Speaker 5: was it poison?

3457
03:05:46,400 --> 03:05:52,480
Speaker 19: Because by under you know, case studies and normal circumstances,

3458
03:05:53,160 --> 03:05:56,560
Speaker 19: this should not happen to a person that's doing everything

3459
03:05:56,720 --> 03:05:57,440
Speaker 19: to present it.

3460
03:05:59,400 --> 03:06:02,520
Speaker 5: My thoughts in my process. Hey, there must be some

3461
03:06:03,600 --> 03:06:10,200
Speaker 5: of the external factor that's playing into this. Is it

3462
03:06:10,320 --> 03:06:14,240
Speaker 5: plack or is it poison? Could have been arsenic, could

3463
03:06:14,280 --> 03:06:20,560
Speaker 5: have been carcinergen. Those things cause blood clots in nobody, don't.

3464
03:06:20,800 --> 03:06:23,000
Speaker 5: They don't have a smell, and they don't stay in

3465
03:06:23,040 --> 03:06:23,680
Speaker 5: the body long.

3466
03:06:26,840 --> 03:06:29,360
Speaker 1: Well, that's why so many people want to know if

3467
03:06:29,400 --> 03:06:30,320
Speaker 1: you took the jab.

3468
03:06:31,640 --> 03:06:35,119
Speaker 5: Mm hmm, yeah, exactly. But no, I was real adamant.

3469
03:06:35,200 --> 03:06:38,920
Speaker 5: I didn't even take a COVID test, let alone the JAB.

3470
03:06:39,400 --> 03:06:42,200
Speaker 5: I was very adamant about that. You're telling me that

3471
03:06:42,320 --> 03:06:45,440
Speaker 5: you got to stick something way up my nose, almost

3472
03:06:45,520 --> 03:06:49,240
Speaker 5: to my brain to determine if I'm sick when everything

3473
03:06:49,360 --> 03:06:52,240
Speaker 5: is in the blood. Doesn't make sense. I'm not doing it.

3474
03:06:54,160 --> 03:06:56,360
Speaker 1: Wow, what's the message you want to leave our listeners

3475
03:06:56,400 --> 03:06:57,480
Speaker 1: with this morning, rick.

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03:06:58,959 --> 03:07:03,160
Speaker 5: Man? The message is really a heart health awareness Again,

3477
03:07:03,280 --> 03:07:07,039
Speaker 5: this is heart health mark, right, So go get your

3478
03:07:07,120 --> 03:07:09,560
Speaker 5: heart check. You know, most people, when you ask them

3479
03:07:09,959 --> 03:07:11,920
Speaker 5: you know, what test can you take to determine the

3480
03:07:12,000 --> 03:07:16,800
Speaker 5: condition of your heart? Most people don't know. So I

3481
03:07:16,920 --> 03:07:20,280
Speaker 5: feel that this happened to me so that I could

3482
03:07:20,280 --> 03:07:22,560
Speaker 5: be a voice. Because I'm a filmmaker, I could get

3483
03:07:22,680 --> 03:07:25,840
Speaker 5: messages out. I could document a story and tell a

3484
03:07:26,000 --> 03:07:30,680
Speaker 5: story that we'll really be compelling and intrigue people, urge people,

3485
03:07:31,240 --> 03:07:33,600
Speaker 5: you know, to go get go get a health check,

3486
03:07:33,680 --> 03:07:35,760
Speaker 5: you know, go get their heart check, you know, go

3487
03:07:35,879 --> 03:07:38,480
Speaker 5: get an EKG go get a stress test, you know,

3488
03:07:38,600 --> 03:07:40,880
Speaker 5: go check your A one CS, you know. And the

3489
03:07:40,959 --> 03:07:43,480
Speaker 5: thing about it is a lot of these tests are

3490
03:07:43,600 --> 03:07:46,480
Speaker 5: out of pocket expenses. You could you know, you said,

3491
03:07:46,720 --> 03:07:49,160
Speaker 5: the caller said, well, what if I don't have insurance?

3492
03:07:49,600 --> 03:07:52,640
Speaker 5: You can have insurance and still have to pay out

3493
03:07:52,680 --> 03:07:56,240
Speaker 5: of pocket for some of these tests. That's the craziest

3494
03:07:56,280 --> 03:07:58,720
Speaker 5: thing to me. So I want to become an advocate

3495
03:07:58,879 --> 03:08:01,959
Speaker 5: where you know, we go to lobbyists and we say, hey,

3496
03:08:03,600 --> 03:08:07,400
Speaker 5: this should not be if you have insurance. This should

3497
03:08:07,400 --> 03:08:12,480
Speaker 5: be under your health plan. Under your insurance plan, you

3498
03:08:12,520 --> 03:08:15,800
Speaker 5: should be able to get these tests if there are concerns,

3499
03:08:16,360 --> 03:08:19,920
Speaker 5: you know, if you are having certain symptoms, if you

3500
03:08:20,000 --> 03:08:22,800
Speaker 5: know there are certain risk factors as well, you know

3501
03:08:22,920 --> 03:08:25,720
Speaker 5: that we talk about in the film. So these things

3502
03:08:25,720 --> 03:08:27,840
Speaker 5: should be covered under your insurance plan.

3503
03:08:28,640 --> 03:08:30,280
Speaker 1: Right, and Rick, we got to run out of here

3504
03:08:30,320 --> 03:08:32,960
Speaker 1: before we run that. How can folks see the trailer,

3505
03:08:33,200 --> 03:08:33,960
Speaker 1: what do they have to do?

3506
03:08:35,400 --> 03:08:39,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you can go to Heartbeatdocuseries dot com. That's

3507
03:08:39,600 --> 03:08:43,240
Speaker 5: Heartbeatdocuseries dot com. You can follow me on Instagram at

3508
03:08:43,360 --> 03:08:46,840
Speaker 5: Rick Mathis. We will be premiering the film in Atlanta

3509
03:08:46,959 --> 03:08:50,480
Speaker 5: at the Georgia World Congress Center on February the twenty

3510
03:08:50,560 --> 03:08:55,080
Speaker 5: first at six pm. We also will have an awards

3511
03:08:55,160 --> 03:08:59,440
Speaker 5: galer where we're giving out awards to people who have

3512
03:08:59,600 --> 03:09:02,959
Speaker 5: experience and our heart survivors heart heroes is.

3513
03:09:02,959 --> 03:09:06,440
Speaker 3: What we call its flat the opportunity.

3514
03:09:06,720 --> 03:09:09,320
Speaker 1: So we gotta let you go. Were flat out until

3515
03:09:09,440 --> 03:09:10,039
Speaker 1: we've done.

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Speaker 5: Your heartb Doctor Series dot com. Carl, I appreciate you

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Speaker 5: and your team. Man, thanks for having me on today