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Speaker 1: Live from the Heartland and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 3: Well, hey there, everybody, Happy Thursday to one and all

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Speaker 3: April second. You know, somebody ought to do a sequel

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Speaker 3: to Groundhog Day, that is like all about April second,

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Speaker 3: April Foolsday, repeating all over again. Hi, I'm Andrew Langer.

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Speaker 3: I'm in for Tony Katz on Tony Katz today, laughing

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Speaker 3: because I sent Land in some bumpers that I put

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Speaker 3: together on so now we may get some use out

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Speaker 4: All.

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Speaker 2: We got to listen.

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Speaker 3: We've got a great show today. Lots of stuff going

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Speaker 3: on in the world. I even put it in and

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Speaker 3: my show prep. I do want to log some time

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Speaker 3: later on talking about this decision in Indiana.

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Speaker 2: Listen, way to go, guys.

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Speaker 3: Making it clear that we are not going to extend

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Speaker 3: commercial driver's licenses to illegal aliens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the way it should be.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna log some time talking today about the Supreme

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Speaker 3: Court's birthright citizen arguments yesterday, the good, the bad, and

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Speaker 3: the ugly. Obviously, going to spend some time talking about

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Speaker 3: the President's address last night. I may wind up spending

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Speaker 3: some time talking about Seapack. My trip to Seapac last

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Speaker 3: week saw our good friend Kira Davis out there, and

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Speaker 3: we got some great guests. We're going to be joined

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Speaker 3: in a little bit by my good buddy Jerry Rodgers,

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Speaker 3: the editor of Real Clear Policy and Real Clear Health.

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Speaker 3: You know, Jerry's always great to talk to him, get

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Speaker 3: for both religious freedom, I am freedom generally. Sarah is

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Speaker 3: somebody that I've known for a number of years now.

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Speaker 3: She was on a panel at Seapac last week. She's

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Speaker 3: going to join us. It was trading messages with her.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure she'll talk about this. Trading messages with her

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Speaker 3: last night as the Artemis launch.

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Speaker 2: Was going to happen, that she wasn't going to watch

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Speaker 3: And she's got a young son and I'm hoping, I'm

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Speaker 3: hoping that watching this launch yesterday got him hooked on

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Speaker 3: all this.

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Speaker 2: I'll share why in a moment. We're also going to

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Speaker 2: be joined by Josh McLeod.

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Speaker 3: He's the director of Federal Relations for the National Federation

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Speaker 3: of Independent Business NFIB dot com is the website the

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Speaker 3: nation's largest small Business Association. I am as an interest

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Speaker 3: full disclosure, I am an NFIB alumnus, so having very

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Speaker 3: excited to have Josh on to talk about taxes and

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Speaker 2: But listen, we got.

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Speaker 3: To start here. Let me explain for a moment, so

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Speaker 3: y'all know me. By the way, you can join the

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Speaker 3: conversation here. Message me on Twitter at Andrew Underscore Langer

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Speaker 3: on Twitter. I still call it Twitter, other folks call

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Speaker 3: That's Langer L A n G E R. Andrew Langer

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Speaker 3: Radio at gmail dot com. I do read stuff on

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Speaker 3: the air. I know a number of listeners have already

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Speaker 3: I remain a massive space buff. When I was a kid,

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Speaker 3: I realized.

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Speaker 3: I was probably going to be too tall, but but

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Speaker 3: set all of that aside, I also didn't quite have

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Speaker 3: Have written about it, I've spoken about it, talked about

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Speaker 3: private space flight. We're really on the precipice there, and

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Speaker 3: this return to the Moon is extraordinary to me. And again,

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Speaker 3: president who loves America. Now, this is not me offering

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Speaker 3: slavish devotion to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: But on the other hand, I am enormously grateful that

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Speaker 3: Let's play Here is a former astronaut by the name

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Speaker 3: of Jerry Leininger talking about Artemis and talking about talking

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Speaker 2: Let's play at number three.

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Speaker 5: It's just awesome. They got to be so excited and

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Speaker 5: ten years have worked in hard. God bless America. I mean,

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Speaker 5: the things with the Trump space policy is unreal. He

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Speaker 5: started in his first term and this is a fruition

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Speaker 6: And you know, America is great again that.

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Speaker 4: I'm so proud.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's just it. Yeah, you make the decision.

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Speaker 3: Here's what we're going to do. We're not going to

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Speaker 3: monkey around anymore with this stuff. If you've never seen it,

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Speaker 3: this highly enough. The late nineteen nineties after there was

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Speaker 3: I raised this because it opens The series opens with

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry Andrew Langer Radio at gmail dot com. All

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Speaker 3: This is Tony Kats today. I think it's going to

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Speaker 3: you've pulled Starman by David Bowie Landon I'm gonna be

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Speaker 3: happy camper. And if you haven't pulled Starman by David Bowie,

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Speaker 2: For this moment. Let's go ahead and play cut number

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Speaker 2: one far as twenty five injuries.

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Speaker 10: Four three two one looser ignition and lift off.

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Speaker 2: The crew of Artemis two, now bound for the Moon.

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Speaker 10: Humanity's next great voyage begins.

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Speaker 9: Good roll Pitch Roger, Roll Pitch.

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Speaker 10: Houston now controlling the flight of Integrity on the Artemists two.

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Speaker 10: Four three two one, who's your ignition? And lift off

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Speaker 10: the crew of Artemis two.

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Speaker 10: Humanity's next great voyage begins.

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Speaker 2: We had set there.

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Speaker 3: This is my point, Jerry, I'm starting to feel maybe

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Speaker 3: the cosmic tumblers are turning in place that it's not

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Speaker 3: going to be quite the bloodbath that I had been

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Speaker 3: anticipating come November. That there's so much that could go right.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot that could go wrong, but there's so

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Speaker 3: much that could go right. Where are you and all this.

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Speaker 14: Well, I'll tell you this, the gas prices do not

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Speaker 14: concern me at all, because there's still at the three

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Speaker 14: ninety average nationwide.

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Speaker 6: It's still a dollar.

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Speaker 14: And ten cents less than the five dollars under the

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Speaker 14: Biden administration.

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Speaker 9: And remember that was because of his war on energy,

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Speaker 9: his warr and fossil fuels.

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Speaker 14: We're at war with Iran that has been murdering Americans

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Speaker 14: for forty seven years.

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Speaker 9: I think the American people will forgive that.

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Speaker 14: The problem is is that we're reading and we're seeing

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Speaker 14: what's said in the mainstream legacy media. I'm telling you,

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Speaker 14: in all my lives of public policy, my life in

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Speaker 14: public policy, I have not ever witnessed the legacy media

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Speaker 14: and the Democratic Party rooting against America like they are

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Speaker 14: with Iran.

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Speaker 6: So I'm not so concerned.

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Speaker 9: About gas crisis.

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Speaker 14: I tell you what, though, I'm going to bring your

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Speaker 14: good mood down the fact that the Gop House has

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Speaker 14: caved on the DHS funding. I think that's the major

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Speaker 14: bad news that we can't this. The Republicans in Congress

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Speaker 14: are useless. We cannot pass the Save America Act. It

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Speaker 14: is an eighty twenty issue. There's a problem with Republicans

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Speaker 14: in the Congress, and I think that a lot of Americans,

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Speaker 14: MAGA and Republican and conservative, are going to say, what's

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Speaker 14: the point What's the point of voting in a midterm

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Speaker 14: when John Thune can't get an eighty twenty eighty twenty

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Speaker 14: issue over the finish line and here's the thing, right,

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Speaker 14: and it's going.

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Speaker 9: To happen when Democrats retake the House and send it.

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Speaker 14: Maybe not in twenty twenty six or two thousand, eventually

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Speaker 14: they're going to have the tricector. It happens every so often.

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Speaker 14: And when they have the tricector, the Democrats are going

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Speaker 14: to undo the filibuster, and they're going to put in

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Speaker 14: court packing. They're going to make Puerto Rico a state,

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Speaker 14: they're going to do Washington, DC estate, and they're going

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Speaker 14: to make themselves a perpetual majority. And I don't understand

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Speaker 14: why Democrats don't get that. At the very least, Andrew

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Speaker 14: have the talking filibuster in order to get the Save

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Speaker 14: America Act over the finish line. You know.

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Speaker 3: It's one of those things where I was at a

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Speaker 3: presentation a couple of weeks ago, Jerry just sort of

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Speaker 3: speaking of the doom on you, and I mean that

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Speaker 3: in doing under others as they would do unto you. First,

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Speaker 3: the idea of apparently you can undo the session of

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Speaker 3: land from DC to Virginia to create Alexandria and Arlington Counties.

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Speaker 3: Apparently that can be undone by executive order. And I'm like, go,

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Speaker 3: go ahead, and do it. As someone who lives in Virginia,

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Speaker 3: I would love to see that happen. Let's let's let's

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Speaker 3: get rid of all of those voters.

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Speaker 2: Have them allgo.

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Speaker 14: But the point is is that the Democrats, the Progressives,

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Speaker 14: they have the conviction they.

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Speaker 9: Put forward their ideas, as unpopular as they are. I

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Speaker 9: saw get it done.

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Speaker 3: I saw the meme it said Democrats care more about

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Speaker 3: destroying America than Republicans care about saving it, which is

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Speaker 3: or have the conviction to do this. Speaking of which,

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Speaker 3: and speaking of people who don't have the courage of

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Speaker 3: their convictions, I mean, sam Alito did some great work.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to play this clip later on yesterday, the

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Speaker 3: birthright citizenship issue, the president of the president, the Democrats

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Speaker 3: getting all apoplectic about the president taking his rightful seat.

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Speaker 3: He always has a seat up at the High Court

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Speaker 3: sitting there, Sean.

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Speaker 9: This shows you how how how ignorant we are.

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Speaker 14: There is forever there is a special place for the

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Speaker 14: president and other hiding of their dignitaries to witness the

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Speaker 14: Supreme Court proceedings.

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Speaker 9: Just because no president has done so doesn't mean.

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Speaker 14: That it's somehow uh tents amount to uh a violation

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Speaker 14: of separation of powers. It shows you how Trump's arrangement

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Speaker 14: syndrome is in the heads of everyone. But let me

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Speaker 14: say this, Andrew, because I think I know who you're going.

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Speaker 14: And Justice Justice Kagan, she she, in my mind, had

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Speaker 14: the best synopsis of what where I think this is going.

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Speaker 9: She said that your argument to this.

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Speaker 14: And to the social general, uh, your argument is based

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Speaker 14: upon uh tourism, birth tourism. You don't get to your

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Speaker 14: argument of the actual context of the fourteenth of the

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Speaker 14: fourteenth Amendment, the context during when it was passed into

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Speaker 14: fourteen steam pages, into your into your brief. In other words,

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Speaker 14: the administration made the wrong argument. They're going to lose this,

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Speaker 14: not because they're wrong on the law or wrong on

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Speaker 14: the constitution, because birthright citizenship is not allowed by the

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Speaker 14: fourteenth Amendment.

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Speaker 2: And I would go toe to toe with.

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Speaker 9: Anyone on this issue.

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Speaker 14: But the fact of the matter is the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 14: Justice Roberts will take a narrow view here and look

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Speaker 14: at the argument made. And this administration focused too much

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Speaker 14: on birth tourism, and that could be fixed with administrative fixes,

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Speaker 14: with regulations and with the law.

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Speaker 9: And so the Court is going to say, Nope, you

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Speaker 9: didn't you didn't make your points, and and and they're

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Speaker 9: going to lose.

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Speaker 3: And it's one of those things, Jerry, I will never

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Speaker 3: forget you and I were having coffee when the Obamacare

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Speaker 3: decision came down and they said that it's a it's

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Speaker 3: a tax, even though it had been argued differently. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's it's so funny because somebody pointed out that the

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Speaker 3: arguments that Justice Jackson was using yesterday are the opposite

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Speaker 3: of I'm sorry not with the argue the argument she

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Speaker 3: gave in her dissent about.

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Speaker 9: The free speech on the speech.

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Speaker 2: The free speech situation is the opposite.

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Speaker 9: Of the ones conversion therapy.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the conversion therapy is the opposite of of of

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Speaker 3: the transgender surgery situation. But I will never forget Jerry.

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Speaker 3: Myron Ebel, our colleague get the Competitive Enterprise Institute, said,

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Speaker 3: just you warn me when Justice Roberts was appointed he

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Speaker 3: is he is not one of us, and and that

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Speaker 3: that still comes back.

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Speaker 14: I mean that Roberts though, is he's a smart and

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Speaker 14: I think an honest man, you're right, is he a

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Speaker 14: is he a is he?

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Speaker 9: Is he a scully?

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Speaker 14: And no, But that's the problem this administration made again.

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Speaker 14: I'm angry with this administration. They made the wrong argument,

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Speaker 14: and that's the problem. The problem isn't the fourteenth Amendment

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Speaker 14: and should be interpreted differently. It should be that birth

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Speaker 14: birthright citizenship should be argued. They didn't argue birthright rightship.

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Speaker 14: They argued birth tourism. And that's why they're going to

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Speaker 14: lose right.

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Speaker 2: It can be fixed there, Jerry, how to folks, Well, they.

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Speaker 9: Might surprise us a five four decision that is so

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Speaker 9: narrow it does nothing right.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm more or just addresses the birth tourism issue,

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Speaker 3: which you know would be.

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Speaker 2: Would be okay. But but but you know, that's that

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Speaker 2: that that's that's right.

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Speaker 14: They'll they'll find a way ways to stop the community

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Speaker 14: because no, no, But the reason why this issue hasn't

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Speaker 14: been addressed is because no president has had the uh, the.

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Speaker 2: The testicular for the two role.

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Speaker 9: Yes, thank you to do it. And so what a

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Speaker 9: blown opportunity.

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Speaker 14: And frankly, I think this is why I am a

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Speaker 14: little upset and concerned about the midterms, because we keep on,

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Speaker 14: we say we the administration and Republicans of Congress keep

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Speaker 14: on making unforced errors.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's the it's the the stupid versus the evil Party,

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Speaker 3: and and and and all of that jazz snatching defeat

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Speaker 3: from the jaws of victory. Jerry, how do folks find

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Speaker 3: out more about the good work you're doing.

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Speaker 9: Real clear policy, real clear health.

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Speaker 14: Go there, go to X and go to at Jerry

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Speaker 14: Rodgers show, and uh and and hear all the wisdom

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Speaker 14: coming out of my out of my brain.

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Speaker 3: You're up early on a Sunday. Check out, Jerry. Thank

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Speaker 3: you very much, my friend. I'll talk to you later

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Speaker 3: on got bunch of buddy. Jerry is the guys that

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Speaker 3: you can listen. I talked to him, literally, talked to

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Speaker 3: him several times a day.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 3: Go on go on X, go on Facebook, and you'll

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Speaker 3: see pictures of me and Jerry from the weekend before

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Speaker 3: this past one up in Yonkers, New York for Saint

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Speaker 3: Patrick's Day. We had an epic, epic day for Saint

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Speaker 3: Patrick's Day. More on Artemis when we return. I am

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Speaker 3: Andrew Langer. This is Tony Kats today, and yes, the

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Speaker 3: Artemis two astronauts will be on the dark side of

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Speaker 3: the moon. Tremendously excited about this because if you don't

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Speaker 3: know this, by the way, it's fascinating again sort of

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Speaker 3: orbital mechanics on how that all works. The way the

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Speaker 3: moon rotates in I'm sorry, yeah, the way the Moon

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Speaker 3: rotates in in sync with the way it revolves around

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Speaker 3: the Earth, right, is such that it's constantly turning, so

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Speaker 3: that the one face is constantly facing the Earth. It's

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Speaker 3: really kind of kind of crazy that way, the way

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Speaker 3: that that works. In any case, I referenced this before.

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Speaker 3: At the beginning of every episode of From the Earth

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Speaker 3: to the Moon on HBO, they play an excerpt from

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Speaker 3: this speech by John F. Kennedy at Rice University announcing

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Speaker 3: why we're going to the Moon? Ahead, land and pulled this.

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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and hear it Landon.

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Speaker 11: There is no strife, no prejudice, no national conflict in

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Speaker 11: out of space. As yet it hazards a hospital to

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Speaker 11: us all its conquest, deserves the best of all mankind,

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Speaker 11: and it's opportunity for peaceful cooperation may never come again.

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Speaker 15: Yet.

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Speaker 2: But why, some say the moon? Why choose this as

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Speaker 2: our goal?

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Speaker 11: And they may well ask why climb the highest mountain

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Speaker 11: five thirty five years ago?

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Speaker 2: Fly the Atlantic?

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Speaker 6: Why does Rice play Texas?

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Speaker 16: We choose to go to the moon. We choose to

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Speaker 16: go to the moon. We choose to go to the

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Speaker 16: moon and this decay and do the other things not.

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Speaker 17: Because they are easy, but because they are hard, because

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Speaker 17: that goal will serve to organize and measure the best

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Speaker 17: of our energies and skills, because that.

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Speaker 16: Challenge is one that we're willing to accept. One we

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Speaker 16: are unwilling to postpone, and one we intend to win,

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Speaker 16: and the others too.

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Speaker 2: There we can end up there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's it. In a nutshell. Listen, I

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Speaker 3: make no bones about this. I am a sucker for

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Speaker 3: a master rhetortician, someone who can give a speech and

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Speaker 3: articulate an idea, someone who who thinks deeply about about issues.

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Speaker 2: And we'll listen.

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Speaker 3: We all know Kennedy had had his pre elections, et cetera,

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Speaker 3: et cetera. But the man was able to articulate an

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Speaker 3: idea to the American people.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't the same thing with FDR. Again, I disagree

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Speaker 2: with everything.

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Speaker 3: That FDR had to say. It's why I love Winston Churchill.

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Speaker 3: You know, I could listen to Winston Churchill for hours

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Speaker 3: on end, but at the end of the day, this

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Speaker 3: is why we choose to go to the moon and

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Speaker 3: do the other things, not because they are easy, but

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Speaker 3: because they are hard, because we are Americans and we

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Speaker 3: can do.

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Speaker 2: This because we got a great good.

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Speaker 3: Another couple hours coming up on Tony Katz Today, we

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Speaker 3: got Sarah Macon joining us. In the next hour, we

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Speaker 3: got Josh McLeod from the National Federation of Independent Business.

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Speaker 3: I want to hear from you at Andrew Underscore langer

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Speaker 3: on X. I am Andrew langer in for Tony Katz,

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Speaker 3: and this, of course is the wonderful Tony Cats Today.

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Speaker 1: Live from the Hartbiner and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today.

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Speaker 3: Hey there, everybody, I'm Andrew langer in for Tony Katz.

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Speaker 3: Here on Tony Katz Today, we're watching with baited breath

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Speaker 3: the breaking.

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Speaker 2: News that Pam Bondy is out. Attorney General. Pam Bondy

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Speaker 2: out right now. I've almost said Blanche.

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Speaker 3: Lincoln Todd Blanche possibly sitting in as Attorney General in

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Speaker 3: the interim. We don't have this confirmed yet. It's just

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Speaker 3: that's what they're saying. It would be really interesting if

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Speaker 3: the President had fired her last night while making this

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Speaker 3: speech and didn't make the announcement either before or after,

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Speaker 3: so as it comes in, we will continue to look

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Speaker 3: at this. Of course, Todd Blanche he's a deputy Attorney general.

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Speaker 3: He defended President Trump during his twenty twenty four criminal

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Speaker 3: trial of business fraud in New.

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Speaker 2: York, so we'll see what happens there.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting, right we'll get Sarah Makin's take on this

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Speaker 3: when she joins us in the latter part of this hour.

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Speaker 3: Right now, we're looking at the possibility of Bondi being

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Speaker 3: gone and Christy nom being gone. This is pretty pretty

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Speaker 3: serious stuff, major senior administration officials who are women apparently

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Speaker 3: being fired. So in any case, I want to go

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Speaker 3: here because the President did speak last night about this

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Speaker 3: war in Iran. We just had the conversation with Jerry

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Speaker 3: Rodgers about it, and you know, I again I talked

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Speaker 3: about my love of rhetorical flourishes. I like folks who can,

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Speaker 3: you know, put together a cojin sentence of ing and

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Speaker 3: being able to explain an idea. It's why I appreciated

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Speaker 3: Ted Cruz long before Ted Cruz ran for office. I

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Speaker 3: saw him give a couple of speeches. Then maybe that's me.

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Speaker 3: I know that the cheese may stand alone on that.

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Speaker 3: But you know, that's sort of where I go. You

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Speaker 3: can say, well, that's Andrew, that's evidence of you being establishmentarian.

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Speaker 3: But Jerry, I think is right insofar as the President

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Speaker 3: wasn't speaking to me necessarily, he was speaking to the

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Speaker 3: American people who aren't necessarily inside the bubble. And don't

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Speaker 3: consume this stuff, you know, twenty four to seven or

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Speaker 3: twenty three six as it is. But here is the

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Speaker 3: number six.

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Speaker 18: And it's very important that we keep this conflict in perspective.

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Speaker 18: American involvement in World War One lasted one year, seven

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Speaker 18: months and five days. World War two lasted four three years,

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Speaker 18: eight months and twenty five days. The Korean War lasted

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Speaker 18: for three years, one month, and two days. The Vietnam

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Speaker 18: War lasted for nineteen years, five months, and twenty nine days.

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Speaker 18: Iraq went on for eight years, eight months and twenty

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Speaker 18: eight days. We are in this military operation, so powerful,

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Speaker 18: so brilliant, against one of the most powerful countries for

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Speaker 18: thirty two days, and the country has been eviscerated and

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Speaker 18: essentially is really no longer a threat. They were the

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Speaker 18: bully of the Middle East, but they're the bully no longer.

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Speaker 18: This is a true investment in your children and your

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Speaker 18: grandchildren's future.

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Speaker 6: The whole world is watching.

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Speaker 18: And they can't leave the power, strength, and brilliants.

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Speaker 6: They just can't believe what they're saying.

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Speaker 18: They leave it to your imagine, but they can't believe

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Speaker 18: what they're seeing the brilliance of the United States military.

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Speaker 6: Tonight, every American can look.

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Speaker 18: Forward to a day when we are finally free from

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Speaker 18: the wickedness of Iranian aggression and the specter of nuclear

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Speaker 18: black Bill. Because of the actions we have taken, we

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Speaker 18: are on the cusp of ending irand sinister threat to America.

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Speaker 6: And the world. And I'll tell you, the world is watching.

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Speaker 6: And when we do, okay.

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Speaker 2: We can end it there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I mean, way went on, and I get this,

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Speaker 3: really not major. The US was really only involved in Vietnam,

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Speaker 3: you know, as far as troops and combat, you know,

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Speaker 3: for about ten years, nineteen sixty five to nineteen seventy five.

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Speaker 3: But that's neither here nor there at the end of

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Speaker 3: the day. But the reality is right, if we're going

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Speaker 3: to make the comparison here and the President talked a

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Speaker 3: little bit about about the folks that we've lost.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a moment.

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Speaker 3: But the issue of the number of people we've lost

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Speaker 3: visa v. The amount of time we've been engaged in

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Speaker 3: combat visa v. The successes that we had that we've

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Speaker 3: had in this. Never have we achieved so much in

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Speaker 3: so little time with so little loss of American military life.

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Speaker 3: And that's not to say that the thirteen who have

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Speaker 3: perished that's not a tragedy. Absolutely it is. But you know,

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Speaker 3: when we think about and we look at the folks

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Speaker 3: who are engaged in major detraction of this, it's a lot.

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Speaker 2: Better than it could have been.

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Speaker 3: Here the President talks about honoring the fallen and what

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Speaker 3: needs to be done.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to cut number seven.

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Speaker 18: And tonight, I'm pleased to say that these core strategic

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Speaker 18: objectives are nearing completion. As we celebrate this progress, we

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Speaker 18: think especially of the thirteen America and warriors who have

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Speaker 18: laid down their lives in this fight to prevent our

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Speaker 18: children from ever having.

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Speaker 6: To face a nuclear Iran. Twice this past.

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Speaker 18: Month, I've traveled to Dover Air Force Base and it's

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Speaker 18: been something I wanted to be with those heroes as

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Speaker 18: the return to Americans. When I was with them and

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Speaker 18: their families, their parents, their wives, husbands, we salute them,

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Speaker 18: and now we must honor them by completing the mission

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Speaker 18: for which they gave their lives. And every single one

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Speaker 18: of the people they loved one said, please please finish

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Speaker 18: the job, every one of them.

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Speaker 3: And that's what you do. You finished the job that

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Speaker 3: you've started. I'm going to get into the issue of

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Speaker 3: bouncing back, because, as I said, if you didn't hear

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Speaker 3: me earlier, I've offered up this thesis. I'm not as

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Speaker 3: eorish as I was before about the things that are happening.

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Speaker 3: I am a little bit more concerned about the gas

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Speaker 3: price issue than my colleague Jerry is.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a moment.

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Speaker 3: I do want to say this, because there were a

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Speaker 3: bunch of a bunch of folks who were out there cheerleading.

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Speaker 3: We'll hear from some of them who were not here.

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Speaker 3: Is Hannity, who was immediately on after the speech. We

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Speaker 3: watched it on Fox just because it was the easiest

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Speaker 3: thing to turn on there. I probably could have watched

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Speaker 3: that on Newsmax. By the way, I'm doing a lot

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Speaker 3: Max on Saturday two in the afternoon. Go and check

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Speaker 3: it out. Doing quite a bit of that lately. Here

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Speaker 3: is Hannity though on Fox News, talking about the case

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Speaker 3: that the President made. Right afterward, let's put cut number eleven.

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Speaker 19: He laid out in no uncertain terms, why America was

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Speaker 19: forced to obliterate Iran's regime and military first and foremost,

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Speaker 19: as President Trump has stated for years, Iran cannot be

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Speaker 19: allowed to build a nuclear weapon. He says was on

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Speaker 19: the cusp of multiple nuclear weapons, a terrorist regime chanting

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Speaker 19: death to America, death to Israel, the number one state

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Speaker 19: sponsor of terror, and that America obviously and obviously cannot

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Speaker 6: Make no mistake, this conflict is.

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Speaker 19: All about ending Iran's ability to threaten America. President didn't

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Speaker 19: give a specific timeline, but talked about the next two

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Speaker 19: to three weeks and this thing should be wrapped up

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Speaker 19: in terms of all military objectives.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So it's I mean, it's fascinating to me the spin

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Speaker 3: somebody purporting to be the Iranian government essentially saying that

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Speaker 3: all of this is predicated.

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Speaker 2: On a lie.

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Speaker 3: Right to hear the Iranians say it, They've never heard

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Speaker 3: of Israel.

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Speaker 2: They don't know what any of us are talking. I

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Speaker 2: don't know.

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Speaker 3: It's like Frankie Pantangely. If you've watched The Godfather part too,

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Speaker 3: Frankie Pantangily. He signs an affidavit, but then he goes

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Speaker 3: before Congress and Michael Corey and I know I worked

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Speaker 3: for his father in the olive oil import business, but

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Speaker 3: I don't know anything else about any of this other stuff.

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Speaker 3: You know, to hear the Iranians tell it, No, you know, no, No,

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Speaker 3: we're a peaceful, loving nation.

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Speaker 2: We know, we.

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Speaker 3: Don't know what we don't know what terrorism is. We

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Speaker 3: don't spend any money on terrorism. We're not we're not

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Speaker 3: building nuclear weapons. We're building we're building McDonald's is here, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: lots of them, lots and lots of big big men.

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Speaker 3: We're built. We're building Wegmans and Costco. That's that's what

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Speaker 3: we're doing, our own version of of of big box

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Speaker 3: retailers under these things. Listen, But I want to talk

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Speaker 3: about this issue of bouncing back because I am I

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Speaker 3: think we are creating the conditions where this can happen.

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Speaker 3: More on that in a moment. I'm Andrew langer In

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Speaker 3: for Tony. This is Tony Kats today. Oh you don't

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Speaker 3: want me to sing this, you know, it's kind of

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Speaker 3: hard not to when you hear Old Blue Eyes. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: Hi everybody, I'm Andrew lagger In for Tony Katz. Tony

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Speaker 3: Katz today. We're playing music having to do with with

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Speaker 3: space space travel. I'm going to be joined in a

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Speaker 3: couple of minutes by Sarah Macon, a good friend of mine,

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Speaker 3: talking about all all stuff that's going on in the news,

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Speaker 3: but also the things she's been up to in protecting

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Speaker 3: religious freedom, you know, promoting the fight backing instagression around

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Speaker 3: the world. There's a movie that she helped produce, so

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Speaker 3: we're going to get to hear from her in just

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Speaker 3: just a moment.

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Speaker 2: But I want to put up this.

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Speaker 3: Thesis that I had earlier, which is, I am I

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Speaker 3: am obviously deeply concerned by the price of gasoline, of

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Speaker 3: the pump, the price of oil fascinating to me. I've

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Speaker 3: watched bitcoin valuations change, you know, contrary to what the

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Speaker 3: so called experts and cryptocurrency told US. When the war started,

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Speaker 3: cryptocurrency took a ma major, major hit. One's supposed to

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Speaker 3: do that. One oil price is spiked, it's supposed to

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Speaker 3: do just the opposite.

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Speaker 2: But in any.

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Speaker 3: Case, the question is how does this impact the American

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Speaker 3: economy over the long term and can we bounce back

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Speaker 3: from this? Here is what the President had to say

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Speaker 3: last night. Let's go ahead and your cut number eight.

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Speaker 18: Many Americans have been concerned to see the recent rise

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Speaker 18: in gasoline prices.

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Speaker 6: Here at home.

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Speaker 18: This short term increase has been entirely the result of

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Speaker 18: the Iranian regime launching deranged terror attacks against commercial oil

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Speaker 18: tankers and neighboring countries that have nothing.

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Speaker 6: To do with the conflict.

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Speaker 18: This is yet more proof that Iran can never be

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Speaker 18: trusted with nuclear weapons.

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Speaker 6: They will use them, and they will use them quickly.

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Speaker 18: It would lead to decades of extortion, economic pain, and

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Speaker 18: instability worse than we can ever imagine. The United States

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Speaker 18: has never been better prepared economically to confront this through it.

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Speaker 2: And that's true. See.

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Speaker 3: See, that's the thing that I that I come back

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Speaker 3: to when I think a lot of us forget, is

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Speaker 3: that over the last year, a lot has been done

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Speaker 3: and we could talk about whether or not there's a

880
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 3: lot of what's good has been undone and again maybe

881
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 3: in the near term there has been some there's there's

882
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 3: a hit to the economy. I won't I won't doubt that.

883
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 3: I won't dispute that at all. But and for those

884
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 3: of you who don't know, if you if you don't

885
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 3: know anything about me, it's not just that I do

886
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 3: talk radio work, right, or the podcast that I do

887
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 3: with Jerrier, or or the podcast that I do the

888
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 3: public policy podcast that I do the Lunch Hour. By

889
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 3: the way, if you're not following me on x at

890
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 3: Andrew Underscore Langer, please do so. But I do public

891
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 3: policy work. I do it for a conservative public policy organization,

892
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 3: now largely regulatory policy, you know how, and healthcare policy

893
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 3: as well.

894
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: But but looking at what.

895
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Speaker 3: These executive branch agencies are doing, the proposals that they're

896
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Speaker 3: putting out there, many of which are truly deregulatory in action,

897
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 3: and they've had a tremendous impact.

898
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Speaker 2: And it's part of what was able, you know, why

899
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 2: we were.

900
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Speaker 3: Able to get back in many ways from the damage

901
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 3: that was caused by the shutdown. Once in twenty twenty,

902
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 3: once things started to open up again. People were able

903
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 3: to go back to work. There wasn't a long standing

904
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 3: there wasn't a long standing liability in our economy until

905
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 3: Joe Biden hit the gas pedal on regulations and things

906
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 3: started to ratchet down. And I'm not saying, let me

907
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 3: be really clear about this, I'm not saying that we

908
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: should exist in an environment.

909
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Speaker 2: In which there's no regulation.

910
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 3: But we can't can't can't, can't go on thinking that

911
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 3: regulations don't have a cost. That's the whole point of regulation.

912
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 3: It's to raise the cost of doing the wrong thing

913
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 3: so that it is less expensive in the long term

914
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 3: to do the right thing. So it has an impact. Right,

915
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 3: we had river catching on fire in the early nineteen seventies,

916
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 3: so we enacted a bunch of environmental laws, and some

917
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 3: can say we might have gone overboard. Rivers stopped catching

918
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 3: on fire. Our air has never been cleaner, our water

919
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 3: has never been cleaner, and that's true, guys. But there's

920
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 3: an impact on it. It means that manufacturing is going

921
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,240
Speaker 3: to go somewhere else. We're going to get the rust

922
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 3: belt in the East and the Upper Midwest.

923
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Speaker 2: That's the choice.

924
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 3: I was in an uber earlier this week, I've had

925
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Speaker 3: some new lights installed on my car. I have a used,

926
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Speaker 3: very used, very very lovingly used Toyota FJ Cruiser.

927
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Speaker 2: I think I can say that on the air. It's

928
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 2: not a problem.

929
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Speaker 3: It's twenty twelve, so it's a thirteen fourteen year old car.

930
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Speaker 3: It's got over you know, one hundred and twenty five

931
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Speaker 3: thousand miles on it.

932
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Speaker 2: I bought it used and I want.

933
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Speaker 3: Signing some extra lights for some of the driving that

934
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Speaker 3: I do in rural areas at night, you know. And

935
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Speaker 3: I'm making my second trip out there. We dropped the

936
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Speaker 3: car off. My wife was at work. I wanted to

937
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Speaker 3: go pick up the car earlier on in the day

938
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Speaker 3: when it was ready, and I'm explaining this to the

939
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Speaker 3: Uber driver, you know, was just talk asking me where

940
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Speaker 3: we're going, blah blah blah. And she's like, well, well,

941
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 3: why you know, I ordered these lights off of Amazon

942
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 3: the first time I ordered them, and they came from China.

943
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 3: They sent me to left side lights and these are

944
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Speaker 3: lights that go on the bumper of the FJ. And

945
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 3: she's like, well, why did you order them from China?

946
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, because nobody makes them here at home.

947
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 3: I didn't find ones that I liked here at home.

948
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Speaker 3: And then I began to explain to her the way

949
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Speaker 3: that these economies work and why China has the upper

950
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Speaker 3: hand when it comes to inexpensive manufacturing.

951
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Speaker 2: Of these goods and their.

952
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 3: Environmental record and all of those things. And I say

953
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 3: this because we're trying to create parody. Paar, I t

954
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Speaker 3: y parody. One of the things that was involved in

955
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 3: the first Trumpet minutes the first year of the second

956
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 3: Trump administration was a massive cut in regulations. The Biden

957
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Speaker 3: administration added roughly one point eight trillion dollars of regulation.

958
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 3: That's trillion with a T and peeling back on that

959
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 3: is going to take some time. The Trump administration has

960
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 3: started to do that for the first time. We had

961
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 3: a massive reduction about five percent of annual regulatory cost reductions,

962
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 3: you know, roughly two hundred and eleven billion dollars in

963
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 3: regulatory savings because of the activities. And they have to

964
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 3: do it in a systematic way. Let me let me

965
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 3: make that really clear. They can't go off and do

966
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 3: something capriciously. President Trump just can't come in and with

967
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 3: a stroke of a pensay everything that Biden did can

968
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 3: is undone. He could do that with executive orders, but

969
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 3: when it comes to these rules and regulations, there's a

970
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 3: process and it and what they want to do is

971
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 3: they want to insulate themselves from challenges down the road.

972
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 3: So it starts with soliciting the public for ideas. Actually

973
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Speaker 3: it started with those sort of looking at stuff and

974
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 3: looking at the bureaucracy itself, and then it's looking for

975
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 3: recommendations the big ticket items, and then it's looking for

976
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 3: other kinds of recommendations. The great thing is the public.

977
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 3: It's to come in on all of these things. I'm

978
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 3: filing guys on average about ten sets of comments a week,

979
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 3: which is huge. You know, if I can toot my

980
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 3: own horn, you know, it's saying that they could do

981
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 3: more here. They're doing something right there, maybe they ought

982
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 3: not to do something else elsewhere.

983
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 2: They'll give you an example.

984
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 3: Earlier this week, the EPA put out a proposal. They

985
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 3: want to settle a particular environmental lawsuit, and this settlement

986
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 3: will make it easier for other environmental groups to file lawsuits.

987
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 3: So I offered up my concern on this issue because

988
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 3: a lot of times what will happen is an environmental

989
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 3: group will will want a democratic administration to engage in

990
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 3: regulatory action. The agency will say, well, publicly we can't

991
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 3: do this, but why don't you sue us and will settle,

992
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:19,720
Speaker 3: And that way we can say, well, we were forced

993
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 3: to do this as a result of the lawsuit. And

994
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 3: we do some of that on our side, but not

995
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 3: nearly enough, because our side we understand the impact of regulations,

996
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 3: so we don't quite understand the process nearly as well

997
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 3: as as our friends.

998
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 2: I use that term loosely on the left.

999
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 3: The point is, when you cut regulatory costs by two

1000
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 3: hundred and eleven billion dollars, right when you cut red

1001
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 3: tape in that regard, it creates it has an impact

1002
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 3: on the opportunity cost, which is to say, every time

1003
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 3: you're forced to spend money on some government mandate, it's

1004
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 3: money you in your business can is unable to spend.

1005
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 3: You can't choose to spend that on something else, something

1006
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 3: more productive. And so for every dollar in regulatory costs,

1007
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 3: there's between no joke, guys, a one to nineteen dollars multiplier.

1008
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 3: So you know, if something adds a billion dollars in costs,

1009
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 3: it's really between two and ninety six billion in lost opportunity.

1010
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 3: So by that token, you know, two hundred and eleven billion.

1011
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 3: You never do math on the air. It's something like

1012
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 3: nearly half a trillion dollars and regained opportunity cost. That's

1013
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 3: what's going to help us to recover once this war

1014
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 3: is over, making it easier for people to do business.

1015
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 3: My good friend Sarah Macon. When we return, I'm Andrew Langer.

1016
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 3: This is Tony kats Today.

1017
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 2: Welcome back, everybody.

1018
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 3: I am Andrew Langer in four, Tony Katz on, Tony

1019
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 3: Katz today. Another David Bowie's not here space oddity, So

1020
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 3: glad I can join you when you can join me

1021
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 3: here joining all of us right now is my friend

1022
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:08,760
Speaker 3: Sarah Macon.

1023
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 2: So glad I could have her on. She is an.

1024
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 3: Activist, she is a a film producer. But looking at

1025
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 3: your IMDb page right now, Sarah. Sarah Macon is known

1026
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,280
Speaker 3: for a Faith under Siege and a Faith under Siege

1027
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 3: the series. I don't know if you know this, Sarah,

1028
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 3: but I also have an IMDb page.

1029
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 20: I feel like that's when you really know you've made it.

1030
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 9: Yes, not really.

1031
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 6: So.

1032
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 3: So Sarah is fresh off of her excellent appearance at

1033
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 3: the Conservative Political Action conference down in Dallas next week.

1034
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 3: Told some incredibly compelling stories. And I want to get

1035
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 3: into this with you, Sarah. I mean, you're and then

1036
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 3: I want to I want to talk to you about

1037
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 3: Artemis in a second.

1038
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 2: But let's let's start here.

1039
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 3: Let's start with the war on religious freedom and faith generally.

1040
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 3: Where do things stand and globally what are we doing

1041
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 3: to push back?

1042
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 8: Thank you, Andrew, and hello to your audience. I'm grateful

1043
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 8: for the opportunity to be on and and talk to

1044
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 8: you all. Yeah, I have the opportunity, and I give

1045
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 8: the SISS background so people know that I'm not just

1046
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 8: kind of talking out whatever I am posterior.

1047
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 9: We can say that I think I'm.

1048
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:24,919
Speaker 20: Not just talking out of my ass here.

1049
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 8: I had some experience in this world. I served as

1050
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 8: President Trump's senior director on the National Security Council and

1051
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 8: first administration, and his senior advisor on international religious freedom.

1052
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 20: And as you might remember.

1053
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 8: And hopefully your listeners might know, the President made a

1054
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 8: real made religious freedom and protecting it not just domestically

1055
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 8: but globally a priority.

1056
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 20: In his first administration.

1057
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 8: You know, if you look at the countries around the world,

1058
00:57:55,080 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 8: the regimes, the authoritarians, the dictators who use use persecuting

1059
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 8: religious minorities, whether they're Christians or Buddhists or Leaguers or

1060
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 8: whatever they are.

1061
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 20: They use that as a practic because they can't.

1062
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 6: Control religious communities.

1063
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 8: It's right, I mean, regardless of your faith, if it

1064
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,959
Speaker 8: is a truly deep held belief of yours, then you

1065
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 8: usually put your God above any dictator or authoritarian, right,

1066
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 8: And that's a that's a power problem.

1067
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 20: For you know, she or putin or you name it, right, right,

1068
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 20: So I got an opportunity, but.

1069
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 2: No, no, no, go ahead.

1070
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 3: I was just gonna I was just going to pop

1071
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 3: in and just say, I mean, it is a way

1072
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 3: of brave. People no longer have faith, then they no

1073
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 3: longer have hope, And people without hope are that much

1074
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 3: more easy to control, aren't they?

1075
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 20: I mean absolutely?

1076
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 8: And again, I mean I could go on and on

1077
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 8: with stories about whether it's the Buddhists right in China

1078
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 8: and the way that the CCP has controlled them for

1079
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,439
Speaker 8: so many years, right taking away their leaders at young

1080
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 8: ages and trying to scare the community right into into

1081
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 8: just you know, doing and following the CCP and falling

1082
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 8: in line, and so absolutely, and so I had this

1083
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 8: opportunity to sort of see this around the globes, right.

1084
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 8: But one of the areas that I had started seeing

1085
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 8: how Russia was using persecuting of religious minorities inside of Russia.

1086
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 20: I started to see that a bit and kind of

1087
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 20: looked into that.

1088
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 8: But when the Ukraine invasion happened and that war kicked in,

1089
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 8: I started to see that Russia was doing this now

1090
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 8: inside of Russian occupied territory in Ukraine, they were persecuting

1091
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 8: and putting down people of faith, in particular.

1092
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 20: Those who did not follow the Russian Orthodox Church.

1093
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 8: Right, we only want allowed church in Russia, right, So

1094
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 8: this isn't like New Russia has been doing this inside

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Speaker 8: their own borders for a very long time. Now they're

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Speaker 8: exporting it into Russian occupied Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: And the flip side being, of course that the Russian

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Speaker 3: Orthodox Church, I'm sorry, it's the Ukrainian Orthodox Church with

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Speaker 3: ties to Moscow in the Ukrainian borders is being used

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Speaker 3: by the Russian government as as an intelligence and military tool.

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Speaker 3: So I mean it's like it's a complete perversion of

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Speaker 3: faith in that regard, isn't it totally?

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Speaker 8: And I mean the guy who runs the Russian Orthodox Church,

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Speaker 8: and the part of that church that's still in Ukraine.

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Speaker 20: It's a guy named.

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Speaker 6: Kirol and kirol Is.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you know, I'm not going to claim to

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Speaker 8: know his heart, but I'm going to be based on

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Speaker 8: his actions and his words. Right, this guy is a

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Speaker 8: purely political actor. He is you know, he is tied

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Speaker 8: to the Kremlin. He is tied to Putin. He blesses the.

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Speaker 20: Bombs before they go into Ukraine.

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Speaker 8: He tells the soldiers, if you die fighting Ukraine, it's

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Speaker 8: a holy war.

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Speaker 20: First of all, he.

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Speaker 8: Calls it a holy war, and he says, if you die,

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Speaker 8: you will immediately go to Heaven and be blessed.

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Speaker 20: I mean, it's it's bananaus, right and right.

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Speaker 8: So that's that's you run too. That is in charge

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Speaker 8: of the Russian Orthodox Church. So this isn't it's not

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Speaker 8: an issue of people who happen to be Russian Orthodox there.

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Speaker 8: You know, they can be wonderful people. It's borcestership here

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Speaker 8: that's really troubling.

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Speaker 3: Right, Right, anytime, anytime the church is being used, any

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Speaker 3: church is being used for political ends, we've got a

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Speaker 3: We've got a real problem on our hands. The movie

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Speaker 3: of a Faith under Siege when it when it came out,

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Speaker 3: I know I was invited to at least one of

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Speaker 3: the screenings that was done in DC. Tell us where

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Speaker 3: it is and how folks can find that. I got

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Speaker 3: to I've got to ask you before we go about

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Speaker 3: about about Artemis and your son. But let's let's talk

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Speaker 3: about the movie for just a moment.

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Speaker 20: Thank you. Yeah, I'm grateful for this. The movie is

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Speaker 20: called a Faith under Siege.

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Speaker 8: You can find it at Faith under Siege dot com

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Speaker 8: and it is a sixty minute documentary where we interview

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Speaker 8: and go right to the front lines. We talk directly

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Speaker 8: to members of clergy, pastors, priests, faith leaders, evangelical pastors

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Speaker 8: in Ukraine who have been persecuted realists by the Russian

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Speaker 8: by the Russian troops both physically. They've been tortured, they've

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Speaker 8: now killed a conservative estimate it's forty nine.

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Speaker 20: Sorry evangelical or Protestant.

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Speaker 8: Leaders inside of Russian occupied Ukraine. They have bombed, shelled

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Speaker 8: and looted over six hundred and fifty churches inside Russian

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Speaker 8: occupied Ukraine. They are actively targeting them. They go so

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Speaker 8: far as to claim that these are all CIA spies

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Speaker 8: and Western plants, right because again they're not adhering to

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Speaker 8: Russian Orthodox Church, and so I encourage you to go

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Speaker 8: watch it. It is free, it's on YouTube. We have

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Speaker 8: a number of different shorts as well. We cover the

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Speaker 8: persecution of the Jewish community in Ukraine.

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Speaker 20: The Catholic community.

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Speaker 8: There are zero Catholic priests left in all of Russian

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Speaker 8: occupied Ukraine, either killed or driven.

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Speaker 9: Them all out.

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Speaker 3: Sarah, you're telling me that the Russians are per shooting

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Speaker 3: Jews in Ukraine. Am I am shocked to hear this,

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Speaker 3: given Russia shoo bus this record visa A.

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Speaker 8: Sorry, yes, now I hear you got a like I said,

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Speaker 8: a great mini doc again on YouTube, if you go

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Speaker 8: through our YouTube channel, Faith under Siege.

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Speaker 13: It's all free.

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Speaker 8: And I just want to I want to make this

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Speaker 8: clear for because I know that there's all kinds of

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Speaker 8: conspiracy things out there.

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Speaker 20: About Good's funding.

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Speaker 8: What right, because Russia spends two to three billion dollars

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Speaker 8: a year on propaganda, and again that's a conservative estimate.

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Speaker 20: This entire project, Faith under Siege.

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Speaker 8: And all of the documentaries and mini docs everything we

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Speaker 8: put out was funded by one man, an American citizen.

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Speaker 20: He lives in Colorado.

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Speaker 8: He had never been to Ukraine before he happens to

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Speaker 8: be a Christian.

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Speaker 20: He's a former marine.

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Speaker 8: He's an incredibly good man and I've gotten to know him.

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Speaker 8: And he had been invited there by a friend and

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Speaker 8: he didn't want to go. It was wartime, right, and

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Speaker 8: he's like businesses, farms and a life and kids. But

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Speaker 8: he went and when he went, what he saw was

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Speaker 8: this persecution of the church. And he was like, why

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Speaker 8: am I not seeing this anywhere? So he said, how

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Speaker 8: can I what can I do? And he took his

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Speaker 8: own money, his own treasure. He and his wife made

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Speaker 8: this decision and they figured out a way to hire

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Speaker 8: a film team, an incredibly good film team. I mean,

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Speaker 8: when you watch this documentary, you think you're watching something

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Speaker 8: like on you know. I mean, it's incredibly well done.

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Speaker 8: But it's one guy his own money. To who funded this.

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Speaker 8: There's no you know, shadowy Ukrainian whatever here, right, a

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Speaker 8: good American who wanted to get the news out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not to you just sort of you're not

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Speaker 3: going to sit there and you're going to wait a minute,

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Speaker 3: I don't understand who funded this. So you and I

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Speaker 3: were training messages last night as I was talking to

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Speaker 3: you about coming on with me today and I asked

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Speaker 3: you if you were, if you're watching the Artemus launch,

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Speaker 3: and you weren't, and I encourage you to do so.

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Speaker 3: You've got a son who watched it and he was enthralled,

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Speaker 3: wasn't he?

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Speaker 6: He was?

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Speaker 9: He totally was.

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Speaker 6: And I was silly to, you know, think that.

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Speaker 20: It wasn't important for him.

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Speaker 8: I mean, he's only three, but I you know, I'm

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Speaker 8: so grateful that we have amazing people to look up to,

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Speaker 8: like these astronauts.

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Speaker 20: There's you know, in particular. You know, I'm a I'm

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Speaker 20: a Christian and my faith.

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Speaker 8: Is important to me and I want that in my

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Speaker 8: son and to be able to stand there with him

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Speaker 8: and hold him and pray as we were counting down,

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Speaker 8: and just pray that the Lord would text them.

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Speaker 20: It was a beautiful moment.

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Speaker 8: And he loved the lift off and he was so excited,

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Speaker 8: and as he watched it go up, he just kept

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Speaker 8: looking at me, going, where did the space show go?

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Speaker 9: Mama?

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Speaker 6: Where did it go?

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01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 9: Where did it go?

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Speaker 20: And I was reminded just.

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Speaker 8: How big, how big, and how little we are, how

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01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 8: big this world and our and our universes, and how

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Speaker 8: little we are, but also how important. It is that

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Speaker 8: we speak of about things that are important, because if

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Speaker 8: we don't, it's a wasted life. Amen, and all of

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Speaker 8: that just in that little moment watching an artemis take off,

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Speaker 8: and we continue to.

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Speaker 20: Pray for them every day for their safety and success.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 3: I know what we're getting. We're getting your son for

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01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 3: his next birthday. We're going to get him a little artemiscapsule.

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Speaker 2: To play with. Our guest is Sarah Macon.

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Speaker 3: She's a former Senior Advisor to the President and the

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Speaker 3: Vice President of the United States. She's a film producer

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Speaker 3: now and an activist. You can find her on X

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Speaker 3: at DC sas D C SAS on X. Sarah, thank

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Speaker 3: you so ver much for joining us today.

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Speaker 6: Andrew, this was awesome.

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Speaker 20: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome.

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Speaker 3: You're welcome, and listen, guys, if you want a longer

1244
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Speaker 3: form conversation, we get more into depth. I'm going to

1245
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Speaker 3: sit down with Sarah next week on my lunch Hour,

1246
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 3: my Federal News Wire Lunch Hour podcast and really unpeel

1247
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Speaker 3: all of the work, the good work that she is doing.

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Speaker 3: But go and check her out at DC SAS D

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Speaker 3: c SaaS on X. I'm Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz.

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Speaker 3: This is Tony Kats today.

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry just now, I'm just captivated by the music

1253
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Speaker 3: land and Hi everybody, I'm Andrew Langer for Tony today.

1254
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Speaker 3: If you haven't pulled space trucking, pulled that as pull

1255
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 3: that as well. A little little deep purple cut there anyway,

1256
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Speaker 3: so we're back. I was so enjoyed talking to Sarah Macon,

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Speaker 3: and yes, I do have my own IMDb profile. Crazily enough,

1258
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Speaker 3: I was in both Atlas Shrug parts two and three.

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Speaker 2: I think only my Atlas.

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Speaker 3: Shrug Part three appearance is listed in my IMDb pro profile.

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Speaker 3: So strange, so bizarre. But Jack can go and go

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Speaker 3: and check that out. Listen, So let's let's go back here. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: the President gave a speech last night, and by the way,

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Speaker 3: we are waiting with baited breath to finally get confirmation

1265
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 3: about Pam Bondy getting fired. But if she goes right,

1266
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 3: we got Pambondy, you got Christy Nome and the possibility of.

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01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 2: A Tulsa Gabbard also being on her way out. I

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Speaker 2: would listen.

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Speaker 3: I would not mind seeing Sarah Macon as a director

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Speaker 3: of National Intelligence. But that's just me. I will float that.

1271
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 3: But so the president gave it speech last night. Here

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Speaker 3: is a supercut of late night hosts criticizing the speech

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01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 3: and Lawrence Jones pushing back, let's ahead play at number ten.

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Speaker 21: He makes clear in those statements that he makes tonight

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Speaker 21: that this is a war of his choosing.

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Speaker 6: We didn't have to be there, We just went to help.

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Speaker 6: How pooh why?

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Speaker 22: And there was been of an inherent contradiction in saying

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01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 22: that the objectives are very narrowly complete. It's almost over,

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Speaker 22: but we're going to attack Ron into the stone Age

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Speaker 22: over the next few weeks.

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Speaker 18: Trump is on course to get a thank you card

1283
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Speaker 18: from the Ayahtolas this year.

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Speaker 2: This speech was a disaster and then my up or down.

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Speaker 23: It was a big night on all the broadcast networks.

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Speaker 23: Donald Trump at nine o'clock gave a national primetime address.

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Speaker 23: It was concise, intelligent, and brought the nation together with

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Speaker 23: shared purpose.

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Speaker 2: April fools, Tom of these people. I just can't even

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Speaker 2: with these people. True. I think it's shameful right now.

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Speaker 24: We're the President doesn't deserve some credibiliy on it.

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Speaker 2: He earned the credibility.

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Speaker 24: We've had several military operations where we got in and

1294
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 24: got out seamless, no casualties at the time. Some of

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Speaker 24: our troops got injured, but they were flawless in a sense.

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Speaker 24: And so now we have the big one, the Big Chilada,

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Speaker 24: that has been a threat for forty seven years, and

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Speaker 24: you need to tell me you're not going to give

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Speaker 24: him any credibility on.

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Speaker 2: His operation, no, none whatsoever. They can't.

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Speaker 3: It is they are incapable of giving the president any

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Speaker 3: kind of kudos, with very few exceptions. But they the

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Speaker 3: folks who were out there, whether it's the colbears of

1304
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 3: the world or the talking heads on em Snow, you

1305
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 3: know it's funny. We're we're gonna play talking about this

1306
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 3: birthright citizenship. We'll played at the top of the next hour,

1307
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 3: got WHOOPI Goldberg talking about this idea that somehow break

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01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 3: breaks societal norms for the president to be there. Now,

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Speaker 3: they are incapable of giving the president credit where credit

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Speaker 3: is due.

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Speaker 2: And maybe that's my problem. Maybe maybe maybe I'm part

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Speaker 2: of the.

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Speaker 3: Problem because I try to call balls and strikes right,

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Speaker 3: I complain about certain things. Now, coming back to the

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Speaker 3: regulatory stuff, it's it's uh. It can be a conflict,

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Speaker 3: a discussion point. You know when here's my philosophy. When

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Speaker 3: your friends are empower friends quote unquote friends. It may

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Speaker 3: not be your actual friends. But when folks who are

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Speaker 3: on your team more or less are in power. There

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Speaker 3: are some folks who think you should turn around and

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Speaker 3: just pair it. Everything they say is the greatest thing

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Speaker 3: since sliced bread. Right, never ever criticize, And I'm someone

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Speaker 3: who says no, you should always be keeping them honest. Either,

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Speaker 3: if they're doing something and you want them to do more,

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Speaker 3: tell them that you want to do more. Don't pre negotiate,

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Speaker 3: don't negotiate against yourself, right, or when they're going to

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Speaker 3: do something patently stupid, or somewhere in between. I'll give

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Speaker 3: you a real quick example. The USDA put out a

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Speaker 3: request for comment on a pilot program. They want to

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Speaker 3: They want people to report on how much food waste

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Speaker 3: they're generating.

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Speaker 2: And I get it. I get what you want to do.

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Speaker 3: You want to make sure that our snap money, our

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Speaker 3: our food stamp money is being spent properly. I understand this,

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Speaker 3: But what I don't want is to give the Biden

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Speaker 3: administration give the Kamala Harris, the pe Budhage Edge, the

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Speaker 3: Gavenusom administration, the power to start peering in my garbage

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Speaker 3: can for whatever reason, whatever pretext.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe I'm the idiot for doing this.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'm not being helpful because I'm trying to call

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Speaker 3: balls and strikes, you know, with something I learned when

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Speaker 3: I when I worked at the National Federation of Independent

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Speaker 3: Businesses back back many many moons ago. In fact, joining

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Speaker 3: us from NFIB. Josh McLeod. He's the director of federal

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Speaker 3: Relations for NFIB. He'll be joining us the next hour.

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Speaker 3: I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony Katz.

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Speaker 1: Today line from the Heart Blind and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz Today. Well, hey there, everybody.

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Speaker 3: I am Andrew Langer in for Tony Katz today on

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Speaker 3: Tony Katz Today. I'll be back next week. It looks

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Speaker 3: like two guys so excited about this. I always love

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Speaker 3: spending some time with y'all.

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Speaker 2: Whenever I can.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's always always a good thing. By the way,

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Speaker 3: you like what you hear, I usually wait till the

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Speaker 3: third hour to tell you to check it out. Check

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Speaker 3: out the work that I'm doing for the Federal News

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Speaker 3: Wires lunch Hower. At the lunch Hour Pot, I do

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Speaker 3: a weekly deep dive into public policy for this outfit

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Speaker 3: called the Federal News Wire, and it's available on YouTube,

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Speaker 3: It's available on LinkedIn, it's available on.

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Speaker 2: Twitter x.

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Speaker 3: This week I sat down with a guy named Kevin

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Speaker 3: Kong to talk about nuclear power.

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Speaker 2: That was fun.

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Speaker 3: Last week it was Brian Blaize on healthcare issues. This

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Speaker 3: coming week it's a guy named Patrick McLaughlin from the

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Speaker 3: Hoover Institution talking about excuse me, the afore mentioned regulatory thing.

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Speaker 2: So go and go and check that out.

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Speaker 3: And if you're not following me on x AT, Andrew

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Speaker 3: Underscore Langer on x L A n g e Er

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Speaker 3: Andrew Langer Radio at gmail dot com is the best

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Speaker 3: way to reach me when I'm off the air. You

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Speaker 3: can drop me a note that way as well. In fact,

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Speaker 3: let me go and look at this.

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Speaker 2: I got a a request the other day.

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Speaker 3: Let me pull this up before we get into talking

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Speaker 3: about the birthright citizenship case. Got this from listener Christina.

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Speaker 3: She writes, do you also espouse the views of the

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Speaker 3: economist Robert Murphy? Wondering if you and Jerry can invite

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Speaker 3: him to do a podcast episode to save capitalism. That's

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Speaker 3: actually a really good idea. Jerry and I we need

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Speaker 3: to get back to recording more regularly. So I appreciate that, Christina.

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Speaker 3: I am very familiar with Robert Murphy's writings. He and

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Speaker 3: I are very much in line on a lot of things.

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Speaker 3: I tend to get a little bit more process oriented

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Speaker 3: when it comes to the regulatory state. You know, there

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Speaker 3: are steps we have to take, but you know, but

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Speaker 3: we're on the same page as terms of regulatory drag

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Speaker 3: and costs and in that way, so that works out.

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Speaker 2: That works out pretty well. So yeah, so we'll talk.

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Speaker 3: To Jerry, we'll work I'm getting them on all. Also

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Speaker 3: try to get him on maybe for my lunch hour podcast.

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Speaker 3: He'd be a good guest to get there as well.

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Speaker 2: Anyway. So yeah, we are waiting.

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Speaker 3: As I said, so I guess Pam Bondy is out,

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Speaker 3: which is not surprising. Kind of the is a little surprising,

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Speaker 3: but you know, we're, you know, fifteen months into this

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Speaker 3: new administration, shake ups are going to be happening. I'm

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Speaker 3: not tremendously surprised by this. So we'll see what happens next.

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Speaker 3: So yesterday, speaking of stunning things, yesterday was the moment

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Speaker 3: where the birthright citizen citizenship issue was being argued before

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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court. And you know, it was one of

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Speaker 3: those things the president. The president has a seat, guys

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Speaker 3: at the High Court. You know, listen in the same way.

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you this, when do you go see

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Speaker 3: a show, especially on Broadway, where you're going to see

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Speaker 3: a concert, there are seats that are consistently held back,

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Speaker 3: and sometimes they are given up at the last minute.

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Speaker 3: But the president has the right. I've never gone down

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Speaker 3: the sort of talked about the issues of rights versus powers.

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Speaker 3: But the president has the right to have a seat

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Speaker 3: at Supreme Court arguments. So there's nothing that's violative of

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Speaker 3: the separation of powers for him to be there. But

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Speaker 3: I guess, Whoopy Goldberg, it's not just that Whoopy Goldberg

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Speaker 3: was upset the president was going to be there. It

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Speaker 3: sounds like Whoopy Goldberg thought the President was going to

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Speaker 3: be personally arguing this case.

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Speaker 2: And to be fair, you know, it's twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Nothing would surprise me anymore, would not surprise me if

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Speaker 3: the president was trying to argue his own case.

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Speaker 2: Here's cut number fourteen.

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Speaker 25: I just have to get in to this because this

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Speaker 25: is unbelievable.

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Speaker 6: What's going on.

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Speaker 25: You know who is He's at the Supreme Court as

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Speaker 25: we speak, making his case for signing an executive order

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Speaker 25: that ends birthrights citizenship in America.

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Speaker 2: Oh, oh, my goodness. Oh, the president's at the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 3: Look, let's not remember that it was Barack Obama who

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Speaker 3: at a State of the Union excoriated the justices, threatened

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Speaker 3: the justices on the Obamacare decision.

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Speaker 2: And guess what they count out.

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Speaker 3: So you know this idea that the president was going

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Speaker 3: to somehow, the President was going to somehow count out

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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court by being there, as is his right

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Speaker 3: to do.

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Speaker 2: And I'm listening. I'm not saying.

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Speaker 3: That Barack Obama had the right to excoriate the Supreme

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Speaker 3: Court justices, but it certainly stretched the bounds of propriety.

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Speaker 2: To say the least.

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Speaker 3: But what's the issue. The issue is whether or not

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Speaker 3: you can simply show up at the United States in

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Speaker 3: our borders as a mom, like a mother, pregnant woman

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Speaker 3: shows up in the United States and just by right

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Speaker 3: of the fact that she reached the finish line crossed

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Speaker 3: the finish line, and is here when she gives birth

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Speaker 3: that that baby has the right to become an American citizen.

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Speaker 3: And Jonathan Turley I was on Laura Ingram last night

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Speaker 3: and he talked about it. Why this is an insane

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Speaker 3: way of looking at things. Let's go to cut number fifteen.

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Speaker 26: Jonathan, I was just thinking all morning long. The president

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Speaker 26: has not sat through an oral argument before, I don't believe,

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Speaker 26: and this one was for the ages. But what do

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Speaker 26: you think he probably thought, where's the common sense here?

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Speaker 21: Well, that was the second great question, whether the president

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Speaker 21: could sit absolutely silently as an argument went on that

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Speaker 21: he felt strongly about.

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Speaker 2: So we answered that question.

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Speaker 21: He was able to do that, But it must have

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Speaker 21: been hard at points, because I'm sure some of these

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Speaker 21: questions were maddening. The fact is the policy is maddening.

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Speaker 21: It's perfectly insane. That's why very few countries accept earthright citizenship.

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Speaker 21: And so the difficulty with this case is that it's

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Speaker 21: hard to really justify the policy when you look at

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Speaker 21: what's happening with you know, in China alone, hundreds of

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Speaker 21: these tourism sites are sending people over for the sole

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Speaker 21: purpose of having children here. Only a moronic nation would

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Speaker 21: allow that type of industry to flourish. None of our

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Speaker 21: allies do in Europe. But these justices really were grappling

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Speaker 21: with over one hundred years of precedent. The hilarious aspect

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Speaker 21: of this lord, and I'm sure you felt the same.

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Speaker 21: Way was to hear the liberal justices, who rarely allow

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Speaker 21: the language of the Constitution to stand in the way

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Speaker 21: of a preferred interpretation. But they seem to be channeling

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Speaker 21: Scalia today.

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Speaker 2: You know, talking about you know, we really have to

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Speaker 2: go back to that original intent.

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Speaker 21: And you know it's pretty clear this is the English rule,

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Speaker 21: and that obviously played to the conservative justices. But you know,

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Speaker 21: in my Supreme Court class and we talked about this case,

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Speaker 21: we presented it. I often ask my students in predicting

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Speaker 21: the outcome, whether we have a default case. Sometimes you

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Speaker 21: have a case where everything's in equal poise for justices,

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Speaker 21: and the question is where do they run home to?

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Speaker 21: And for conservatives, they tend to run home to this place.

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Speaker 21: They tend to follow the president, they tend not to

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Speaker 21: read too much into the language, and that's benefiting the

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Speaker 21: left here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, though that's very true.

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Speaker 3: It always gets down to this right at the end

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Speaker 3: of the day, when we talk about these issues of

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Speaker 3: consistency and star a decisives, I'll never forget it was

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Speaker 3: the Kilo case, the case about the use of eminent domain.

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Speaker 3: Take the power to take private property again, power not right,

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Speaker 3: the power of government to take private property for somebody

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Speaker 3: else's private use.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 3: The woman's who's at Kilo having her having her house

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Speaker 3: taken away by the City of New London, Connecticut for

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Speaker 3: the parking lot for a Pfizer headquarters building. Right, that's

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Speaker 3: what it was going to be used for. And the

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Speaker 3: justices retreated to their starry decisis. And because we had

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Speaker 3: one hundred about one hundred and twenty years at that

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Speaker 3: point of bad case law expanding the power of government

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Speaker 3: to do this, well, that's where the justices went to.

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Speaker 3: So listen, I want to pull back. We're going to

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Speaker 3: listen to some of the arguments here. We're going to

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Speaker 3: talk about those birthright citizenship rings.

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Speaker 2: I want to hear from you.

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Speaker 3: Andrew Langer radio at gmail dot com more message me

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Speaker 3: on x at Andrew Underscore Langer. I'm Andrew Langer in

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Speaker 3: for Tony Katz on Tony Katz today. Do you ever

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Speaker 3: see the movie Heavy Metal. Guys, this is used.

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Speaker 2: In Heavy Metal.

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Speaker 3: You have an eighties cartoon movie at dult cartoon movie. Anyway, guys,

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Speaker 3: Hi everybody, I'm Andrew Langer and for Tony Katz today

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Speaker 3: I got this. There's the statement from the President. Pam

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Speaker 3: Bodny is a great American patriot and loyal friend who

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Speaker 3: faithfully served as my Attorney General over the past year.

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Speaker 3: Pam did a tremendous job overseeing a massive crackdown in

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Speaker 3: crime across our country, with murders plummeting to their lowest

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01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 3: level since nineteen hundred. We love Pam and she will

1524
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 3: be transitioning to a much needed and important new job

1525
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 3: in the private sector to be announced at a date

1526
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 3: in the near future. And our Deputy Age and a

1527
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 3: very talented and respect to legal mind, Todd Blanche will

1528
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 3: step into service acting Attorney General. Thank you for your

1529
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 3: attention to this matter. Yes, he said it. Thank you

1530
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 3: for your attention to this matter, President Donald J.

1531
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 2: Trump.

1532
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 3: So so there you go, she's she's out, not fired,

1533
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 3: she's taken taken a new job. Yes to Once again,

1534
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 3: I'm reminded of of when Edwin Newman retired from NBC

1535
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:33,640
Speaker 3: News Saturday and a live sketch you had Joe Piscopo

1536
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 3: as Tom Snyder. Yeah, tell me more about this retiring

1537
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:40,759
Speaker 3: or firing or retiring Yep, Yes, yes, she's she's leaving

1538
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,679
Speaker 3: for a private sector job, which will be announced when

1539
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 3: we figured out who's going to do us a favor

1540
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:49,720
Speaker 3: and give her a private sector job. Anyway, So we're

1541
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 3: talking birthright citizenship here, and yeah, let's go down to

1542
01:22:56,040 --> 01:23:00,720
Speaker 3: the courts themselves and some of the crazy things that

1543
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 3: were that were said yesterday. I want to start with

1544
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 3: Justice Kintanji Brown Jackson, who is the weakest link in

1545
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 3: all of this. Let's go ahead and play cut number

1546
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 3: twenty one here.

1547
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:20,640
Speaker 15: I was thinking about this, and I think they there

1548
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 15: are various sources that say this.

1549
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 6: That you can have.

1550
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 15: You obviously have permanent allegiance based on being born in

1551
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:29,559
Speaker 15: whatever country you're from.

1552
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:31,560
Speaker 6: That's what everybody recognizes.

1553
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 15: But you also have local allegiance when you are on

1554
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 15: the soil of this other sovereign. And I was thinking,

1555
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:43,599
Speaker 15: you know, I'm i a US citizen and visiting Japan,

1556
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 15: and what it means is that, you know, if I

1557
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 15: steal someone's wallet in Japan, the Japanese authorities can arrest.

1558
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 6: Me and prosecute me.

1559
01:23:56,280 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 15: It's allegiance, meaning can they control you as a matter

1560
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 15: of law. I can also rely on them if my

1561
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 15: wallet is stolen to you know, under Japanese law, go

1562
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 15: and prosecute the person who has stolen it. So there's

1563
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:14,600
Speaker 15: this relationship based on even though I'm a temporary traveler,

1564
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:19,799
Speaker 15: I'm just on vacation in Japan, I'm still locally owing

1565
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 15: allegiance in that sense.

1566
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:26,600
Speaker 2: All right, that is that is insane.

1567
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sorry, guys, that is an insane bit

1568
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 3: of rambling there. I'm not going to even say that

1569
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 3: it's sort of a weirdly flawed reasoning. That is an

1570
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 3: insane level of logic. I mean, let's start on its face,

1571
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 3: which is okay, Let's assume for a moment that this

1572
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 3: was correct, and that Japan insists that on some kind

1573
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 3: of quote unquote allegiance to Japan in order for them

1574
01:24:55,560 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 3: to enforce their laws either for you or against you.

1575
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 3: You would ask any Japanese jurist, does your decision to

1576
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 3: allow Japan to prosecute somebody for stealing your wallet, or

1577
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 3: your decision to allow Japan to prosecute you for stealing

1578
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 3: someone else's wallet. Does that make you eligible for Japanese citizenry. No,

1579
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 3: in fact, just the opposite. I would dare say that

1580
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 3: if you were convicted of a crime in Japan and

1581
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 3: incarcerated in Japan as a foreigner, and you tried applying

1582
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 3: for citizenship, they would they would laugh about it. They

1583
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:37,680
Speaker 3: would say, no, no, no, no effing.

1584
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:39,680
Speaker 2: Way are we going to do this. If you were

1585
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:40,719
Speaker 2: a woman and you were.

1586
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 3: Convicted and your child had a baby, I'm sorry, and

1587
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 3: you had a baby in a Japanese prison or Japanese jail,

1588
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 3: that Japanese would say, there's no no way that they

1589
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 3: would let you that let that baby become Japanese. That's

1590
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 3: that is quite literally the definition of crazy talk, right.

1591
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 3: And then let's get to the issue of allegiance. You know,

1592
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 3: I think of the story of the kid, oh good lord,

1593
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 3: now I can't think of his name, who was visiting

1594
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 3: North Korea and he stole the poster and was convicted

1595
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 3: of of a crime. Now, the fact that he subjected

1596
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:32,560
Speaker 3: himself to uh to North Korean law, that does not

1597
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:36,799
Speaker 3: mean that he owed some kind of allegiance to North Korea.

1598
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 3: I mean that that that that is that is quite

1599
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 3: literally a crazy way of.

1600
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 2: Looking at things.

1601
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,640
Speaker 3: And then they got even worse with with for Katanji

1602
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 3: Brown Jackson, she went down this right, let's play cut

1603
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 3: number twenty two.

1604
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:56,880
Speaker 15: And who would not qualify under your rule?

1605
01:26:58,040 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 6: How does this work?

1606
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 15: Are you suggesting that when a baby is born people

1607
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 15: have to have documents present documents?

1608
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 6: Is this happening in the delivery room?

1609
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:13,880
Speaker 15: How are we determining when or whether a newborn child

1610
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 15: is a citizen of the United States under your rule?

1611
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 27: I think that's directly addressed in the SSA guidance that's

1612
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 27: citing in our brief.

1613
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 6: What SSA says is.

1614
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 27: There's currently a system where, for example, security social Security

1615
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 27: numbers are generated based on the birth certificate. They say

1616
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 27: this can still be for the vast majority of it.

1617
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 27: It's completely transparent. You will still get a.

1618
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:32,639
Speaker 20: You're not transparent.

1619
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:34,720
Speaker 15: I'm just talking about the particulars because now you say

1620
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:37,679
Speaker 15: your rule turns on whether the person intended to stay

1621
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:39,720
Speaker 15: in the United States. And I think Justice Barrett brought

1622
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 15: this up. So we're bringing pregnant women in for depositions.

1623
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:45,639
Speaker 15: What are we doing to figure this out?

1624
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:48,519
Speaker 2: No, as I pointed out earlier, the executive order. This

1625
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:52,799
Speaker 2: is getting too all right, stop full full stop, because.

1626
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 3: What she's asking about if you're not, if you're not

1627
01:27:55,040 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 3: following this crazy person's logic here. Literally, it's like it's

1628
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 3: like a bag of kittens. What's well, I don't remember

1629
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 3: what movie that's from, you know, it brings like a

1630
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 3: bag of kittens. I mean literally what this is. So

1631
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 3: what she's saying is right. The idea is that if

1632
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 3: if you are, you come here as a and again,

1633
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 3: this is why Jerry's right that we shouldn't have gone

1634
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:21,719
Speaker 3: down this rabbit hole. That that if you come here

1635
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 3: and have a baby here because you want the baby

1636
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 3: to be an American citizen, and then you leave, what

1637
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:30,640
Speaker 3: Justice Jackson is saying is, well, gonna we're gonna have

1638
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 3: them come back here for depositions to figure out what's

1639
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 3: going on. How about no, how about if you come

1640
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,559
Speaker 3: here and you have a baby and you go back,

1641
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 3: that baby does not get to be an American citizen.

1642
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 3: It's just that simple, by virtue of the fact that

1643
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:48,600
Speaker 3: they were born here. I don't know why that's so complicated,

1644
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 3: you know. Then then we get into the Thornier question.

1645
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 3: I don't think it's particularly Thorny. But if we're following

1646
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 3: Justice Jackson's logic of someone who is not president in

1647
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 3: the United States legally who has a baby here. Guess

1648
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:08,559
Speaker 3: what if you're not present in the United States legally

1649
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 3: and you have a baby here, that baby is not

1650
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 3: an American citizen either. That baby is a citizen of

1651
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 3: wherever the parents are citizens from. And I guess it

1652
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 3: gets complicated if the parents are from two different countries

1653
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 3: have two different citizenships. But that's not that's not that's

1654
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 3: not my problem. It should be any of our problems.

1655
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 3: That's the problem of the parents and ultimately the child themselves.

1656
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 3: Here's you know, it's funny. You know we talk about

1657
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:38,800
Speaker 3: the issue of of the dreamers. Right, I'm a little

1658
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 3: bit more sympathetic to the issue of the dreamers. These

1659
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:43,800
Speaker 3: are these are the kids whose parents came to the

1660
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 3: US illegally, they made the decision to come here.

1661
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 9: Uh.

1662
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 2: And then and then.

1663
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 3: You've got to figure out, you know, what to do

1664
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:52,640
Speaker 3: about these kids who've been raised and educated here, what

1665
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 3: they want to do. And it's they weren't born here,

1666
01:29:55,920 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 3: but they're here. Nevertheless, you don't you don't punish the kids, right,

1667
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 3: you don't hold the kid criminally liable if his parents

1668
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 3: or her parents decide that they didn't want to follow

1669
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:09,520
Speaker 3: the long come here illegally. But you certainly don't automatically

1670
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 3: give them citizenship. You find some other kind of a

1671
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 3: path here, You give them some kind of other status

1672
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:18,680
Speaker 3: that's under review. And guess what, Yeah, I know this

1673
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 3: becomes complicated. But what Justice Jackson is saying here is

1674
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:27,240
Speaker 3: is essentially this is the laziness excuse.

1675
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:30,640
Speaker 2: Oh it's complicated, man, disorganized.

1676
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:34,360
Speaker 3: I can't bring paperwork to the hospital here showing that

1677
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 3: I'm legally allowed to be here that.

1678
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 2: I'm a citizen in the United States. No, I can't.

1679
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:39,800
Speaker 2: Can't do that.

1680
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 3: It just just ran out of time. Man, It's so

1681
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 3: it's so complicated. But we just don't know what else

1682
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:50,479
Speaker 3: to do. How about when we're talking about regulation and

1683
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 3: the rule and the rule of law, one of the

1684
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 3: things that we can and should have rules and regulations

1685
01:30:56,120 --> 01:31:00,120
Speaker 3: surrounding is who gets to call themselves an American citizen here?

1686
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:02,600
Speaker 3: And listen, I get it right, guys. America is the

1687
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 3: greatest nation on earth. It's the most exceptional nation on earth.

1688
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:09,840
Speaker 3: For no other reason than anybody can come to America

1689
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 3: and become an American again, unlike going to Japan or

1690
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 3: South Korea or France or England. Right, you can migrate

1691
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 3: to France and you can eventually become a French citizen eventually,

1692
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:27,599
Speaker 3: but you'll never be considered French. Same thing with Japan.

1693
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:33,920
Speaker 3: You're never going to be considered Japanese. But this is

1694
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 3: the crazy kind of arguments. Oh my god, Justice Jackson,

1695
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 3: Holy cow boy, oh boy. Yeah, it's got a mind

1696
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 3: like I think it's low key right in the Avengers movie.

1697
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:47,559
Speaker 3: You know, his mind's a bag of kittens. I'll find

1698
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:49,200
Speaker 3: the right quote in a minute. This is when we

1699
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:51,760
Speaker 3: come back. We're gonna be joined by Josh McLeod from

1700
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:53,799
Speaker 3: the National Federation of ante Better Business.

1701
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony Kats today. You know,

1702
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:00,120
Speaker 2: it's so funny.

1703
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:02,719
Speaker 3: I heard this the other day as we were getting

1704
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 3: ready for the guess we're getting ready for the Ornements launch,

1705
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:08,559
Speaker 3: and all I can think about was, you know, a

1706
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 3: lah weird al making my own lyrics to this. You know,

1707
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 3: giant ships are what you take flying to the moon.

1708
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:17,799
Speaker 3: I hope my ship don't break flying to them, and anyway,

1709
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:20,320
Speaker 3: that kind of that's where my mind goes right to

1710
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 3: weird al Hey everybody, I'm Andrew Langer in for Tony

1711
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:27,040
Speaker 3: Kats today. I'll be back next week with Tony next

1712
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 3: Thursday and Friday. Joining us right now. Very excited to

1713
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 3: have him on. His name is Josh McLeod. He is

1714
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 3: the director of federal Relations for the National Federation of

1715
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:40,560
Speaker 3: Independent Business, the nation's largest small business independent business association.

1716
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 2: I was at NFIB from two to eight.

1717
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:47,839
Speaker 3: Got a lot of my start in regulations working for NFIB,

1718
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 3: and he got some great advice from then NFIB president.

1719
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:56,720
Speaker 3: I wrote the book The War on Small Business, And

1720
01:32:56,760 --> 01:33:00,240
Speaker 3: of course now I'm saying this and Jack Ferris, who

1721
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:03,200
Speaker 3: was NFIB president at the time, Uh, you know, just

1722
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 3: my days at NFIB were wonderful. Josh, let's let's start here, though,

1723
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:09,880
Speaker 3: as great an organization as it is.

1724
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:11,400
Speaker 2: Well, what's what's what are you?

1725
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:11,720
Speaker 9: What are you?

1726
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:13,800
Speaker 3: What's your perspective on the economy? I know we could

1727
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:15,640
Speaker 3: we could also talk to our your colleague, colleague, wait

1728
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:18,719
Speaker 3: about these things, but how are small businesses looking at what's.

1729
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:20,640
Speaker 2: Going on with the economy these days?

1730
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 4: Absolutely they remain optimistic. Good cross X and a large

1731
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 4: chunk of that is is due to the tax reconc

1732
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 4: Affiliation Bill that Congress passed last last summer.

1733
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:35,240
Speaker 9: And it's it's been a huge.

1734
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 4: Boon for small businesses. So we're we're grateful for Congress

1735
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 4: prioritizing that and making sure that the small business deduction

1736
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Speaker 4: is permanent.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and it and and it has to be.

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Speaker 3: And what's what's great about the work that you guys

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01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:50,880
Speaker 3: are doing is that you're pushing back. I was just

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01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:52,559
Speaker 3: talking about this issue. One of the things that you know,

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01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:55,280
Speaker 3: Jack Ferris uh then NFI be president, talked to me

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01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 3: about was the idea of you know, when you're when

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01:33:58,040 --> 01:33:59,960
Speaker 3: your friends are doing the right thing in the administration,

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01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:02,639
Speaker 3: and they can always be doing more, you should always

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01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:05,680
Speaker 3: be pushing them to do more. And I know you

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01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 3: guys are doing this. You guys are very active in

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01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 3: making sure that small businesses and independent businesses are being

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01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:15,960
Speaker 3: treated fairly. What some of the stuff you guys have

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Speaker 3: been working on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, one of the big issues that we're encountering now

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01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 4: is regarding the Corporate Transparency Act, and that law requires

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01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 4: that businesses under twenty employees and five million in revenue

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Speaker 4: register with the federal government. The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network

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Speaker 4: of Treasury, and thankfully President Trump came in and said,

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01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:40,280
Speaker 4: this is invasive, invasive, it's egregious, it's an economic menace

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Speaker 4: to small businesses and the exempted US businesses from it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll never forget.

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01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 3: I was off on the eastern shore of Maryland and

1759
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 3: you know, dealing with some status we'll call them Statust

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01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:56,879
Speaker 3: County commissioners who wanted to impose all kinds of paperwork

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01:34:56,920 --> 01:35:00,160
Speaker 3: burdens because they wanted to find out who who had

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Speaker 3: the business interest in the businesses that were being built

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01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:06,840
Speaker 3: in their community, as though they should.

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Speaker 2: Be able to pick and choose.

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Speaker 3: Which businesses to allow based upon who own them. This

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01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:14,640
Speaker 3: is what we're talking about here, right. It's part of

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01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:17,479
Speaker 3: this is they want to get to Kanzo. We understand

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Speaker 3: if it's a foreign business, and we want to make

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Speaker 3: sure that our national security isn't implicated.

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Speaker 2: But these things have a.

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Speaker 3: Disparate impact on America's smallest businesses. Let me ask you this, Josh,

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Speaker 3: and if I be average member size is now what

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Speaker 3: it's still ten employees? Ninety percent of your members have

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Speaker 3: twenty employees or less. Is that's still the case.

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Speaker 4: That's right, It's five to ten employees is kind of

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Speaker 4: our spot of members.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but and then talk about how both the laws

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01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 3: of the Congress passes, but also the regulations that the

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Speaker 3: administration puts out, how do they have a disparate impact

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Speaker 3: on these businesses.

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Speaker 4: I mean you think about to think about your mom

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01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:00,880
Speaker 4: and pop shop. They don't have a compliance officerian house,

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Speaker 4: they don't have anyone doing payroll for the small business owner.

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Speaker 9: It's all them.

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Speaker 4: And so something like this beneficial ownership mandate, it affects

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Speaker 4: thirty two point six million small businesses, and it's broader,

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01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:16,759
Speaker 4: to your point, it's broader than just the owner. Finson

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01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:21,000
Speaker 4: created these regulations that say, if you have substantial control

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Speaker 4: of the business, you also have profile. So that's substantial control.

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Speaker 4: That's someone who's the manager of a restaurant. They don't

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Speaker 4: have any equity stake in the business, but now they

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01:36:30,120 --> 01:36:34,960
Speaker 4: are required to register with the federal government. So there's

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Speaker 4: always encroaching tentacles of the government, and beneficial ownership is

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Speaker 4: just one example. And that's why we're fighting like crazy

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Speaker 4: in Congress to repeal this new mandate on small businesses.

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Speaker 3: So let me let me ask you this, because going

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Speaker 3: back to good Lord, it was three years ago, the

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Speaker 3: height of the Biden administration. You put out an op

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Speaker 3: ed talking about a white paper that NFI be put

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Speaker 3: out on the Regulatory flex Ability Act. And you and

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Speaker 3: I both know the Biden administration, you know, abused the

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Speaker 3: reg flex Act, you know, till the day until the

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Speaker 3: cows came home. I mean, it was just something that

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Speaker 3: they that they ignored. Trump administration doing better on this,

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Speaker 3: or we are we getting better options for America's smallest businesses.

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Speaker 6: It's been.

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Speaker 4: It's been quite the difference. And we're you're looking at

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Speaker 4: a one point eight trillion dollar regulatory impact from the

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Speaker 4: Biden administration, those new regulations, hundreds of millions of new

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Speaker 4: paperwork hours. It's been the exact opposite under the Trump administration.

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Speaker 4: And sorry for going back to the melt official ownership. Please,

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Speaker 4: it was a one hundred and twenty eight billion with

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Speaker 4: a b billion dollars savings to private businesses from the

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Speaker 4: US business Exemption that the Trump administration did. That's the

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Speaker 4: largest deregulatory action from twenty twenty five. And if we

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Speaker 4: aren't careful, future administration will simply rewrite that one hundred

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Speaker 4: and twenty eight billion dollars regulatory burning back into exis and.

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Speaker 2: That's direct regulatory cost.

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Speaker 3: As I was explaining earlier on in the show, and

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Speaker 3: I guess by the way, Josh mccloudy's a director of

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Speaker 3: federal relations for the National Federation of Independent Business. It

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Speaker 3: was talking about the issue of opportunity cost, right, because

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Speaker 3: it's not you know, it's not what it is what

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Speaker 3: it costs directly for the small business owner. But when

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Speaker 3: a small business owner has to pay somebody to do

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Speaker 3: paperwork or has to pay to put in some kind

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Speaker 3: of capital improvement because of a regulation, that's money that

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Speaker 3: they can't spend elsewhere in their business. And so you know,

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Speaker 3: if it's a two to one or ten to one,

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Speaker 3: you know, we're talking to a quarter of a trillion

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Speaker 3: dollars in regained opportunity to half a trillion dollars to whatever.

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Speaker 3: This is real money.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it.

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Speaker 6: Oh it is.

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Speaker 4: It is a huge, huge figure. It's hard to extrapolate

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Speaker 4: just how that trickles down to the small business owner.

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Speaker 4: But yes, they are hiring lawyers, they are hiring regulatory

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Speaker 4: experts to assist with these very complex regulatory issues, and

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01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:05,759
Speaker 4: that that is an opportunity costs one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can, you can, you can do it. So

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Speaker 3: it's so funny because I hadn't seen that the NFIB

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01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:14,080
Speaker 3: Research Foundation had updated their their paperwork numbers, and I

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Speaker 3: just sort of extrapolated from the numbers that I used

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Speaker 3: to have, and right now at least my estimates are

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01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:23,320
Speaker 3: showing paperwork costs small businesses about seventy two dollars per hour,

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01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:26,880
Speaker 3: and that's and that's huge, and we're trying to find

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Speaker 3: ways to bring that down. Let's talk about the Working

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01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:32,920
Speaker 3: Families tax cut. It's what our colleague Scott Holkinson had

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Speaker 3: sent to me. This is a twenty percent small business

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Speaker 3: tax deduction. Tell us more about that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so that came about. It's Section one ninety nine A.

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Speaker 4: We call it the twenty percent small Business deduction, but

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Speaker 4: it allows small businesses. Nine out of ten small businesses

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01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:51,559
Speaker 4: are passed throughs, and so it allows those pass through

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Speaker 4: businesses to take advantage of this twenty percent deduction. And

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Speaker 4: the results have been awesome. We hear every day from

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Speaker 4: members that are saying, reinvesting in our business. We're hiring

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Speaker 4: new people, we are offering health insurance for the first time,

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Speaker 4: We're sponsoring the local key ball team in our community.

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Speaker 4: It's just pouring money back into their big rights and

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Speaker 4: it's a really, really awesome thing. And if Congress had

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Speaker 4: not made this permanent, because it was set to expire

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Speaker 4: at then of twenty twenty five, that would have been

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Speaker 4: over thirty million small businesses facing a tax increase. So

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Speaker 4: same as Wow, it was a huge, huge, huge deal.

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Speaker 6: And it's.

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Speaker 9: Having that tax certainty.

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Speaker 6: As you know, for small businesses.

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Speaker 4: That they can plan and invest in, hire new people

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Speaker 4: is what they want.

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Speaker 2: That's it's it's good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Our guest, as I said Josh McLeod, the director of

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Speaker 3: federal relations for the National Federation of Independent Business, you know,

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Speaker 3: you give a brad up a big hug for me.

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01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:56,760
Speaker 2: That's milido, Hollywood. All of my former colleagues over there,

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01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:59,280
Speaker 2: give them a big hug for me. Will you do that? Definitely?

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Speaker 9: Will?

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Speaker 6: Hey?

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Speaker 4: Can I can I mention one more?

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Speaker 2: Of course?

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Speaker 4: So Congressman Mesmer has a bill to eliminate this federal

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Speaker 4: heat standard that would affect small businesses and we are

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Speaker 4: fighting that like crazy as well in Washington. So I

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Speaker 4: just want to show him some love for his leadership

1885
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Speaker 4: on that issue.

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Speaker 2: What's that what's the heat standard? What is this? Explains

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Speaker 2: to me?

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01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:27,240
Speaker 4: So it's it's brand new requirements for paid breaks if

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01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:30,120
Speaker 4: temperature reaches eighty or ninety degrees. There are a bunch

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Speaker 4: of new thresholds. A lot of states are moving this,

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01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:37,640
Speaker 4: but it basically turns your small businessman into a weather man.

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Speaker 9: That's right to keep.

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01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:43,720
Speaker 4: I think it's six months of records of your business and.

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01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:47,960
Speaker 9: Your temperature, and it's it's just we talked about.

1895
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:49,519
Speaker 6: That new red tape and costs.

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Speaker 4: This is one that that was proposed under the Biden

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Speaker 4: administration and we're trying to get the Trump administration to resin.

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Speaker 4: So we're fighting that one like crazy me a favorite.

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Speaker 3: Josh, I'm gonna I'm gonna have Scott connect us over

1900
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 3: over email. I'd love to love to help you with this.

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01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:08,720
Speaker 3: Get involved in it, because that's that's right right in

1902
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:11,160
Speaker 3: my wheelhouse to get this repealed.

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01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:12,200
Speaker 2: Josh Mcod.

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01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:13,519
Speaker 3: How do folks find out more about the good work

1905
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:14,840
Speaker 3: you guys are doing at n FIB.

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01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:20,160
Speaker 4: Just check us out on our website National Federation Dependent Business.

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01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:23,640
Speaker 4: We represent about three hundred thousand small businesses nationwide and

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01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:25,120
Speaker 4: we are the voice of small.

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Speaker 3: Business amen to that nfib dot com is the website

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Speaker 3: and at n FIB on on X.

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Speaker 2: Josh, thank you so very much.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for your time.

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Speaker 3: Take care as is that Josh McCloud, director of federal

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Speaker 3: Relations for the National Federation of Independent Business.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I worked there.

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Speaker 3: So wonderful time in my life. Taught me, taught me,

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Speaker 3: taught me how to be an advocate in DC, really

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Speaker 3: taught me a lot about about that willis and some

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Speaker 3: final thoughts about what's going on in the world. I'm

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01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:54,960
Speaker 3: Andrew Langer. This is Tony Kats today. All right, we

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Speaker 3: missed out Land and we missed out on Shame on

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Speaker 3: the Moon. Bye Bye, Bob Seeker and a Silver Bullet Fan.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to now go through all the songs were

1924
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Speaker 3: missed out. It's a limited amount of time. Hi everybody,

1925
01:43:07,400 --> 01:43:10,920
Speaker 3: I'm Andrew Langer here for Tony Katz. I'll be back

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Speaker 3: next week. So yeah, So, first of all, first of all,

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Speaker 3: we found the clip. This is this is this is

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Speaker 3: a great description of justice. You know, it's something here here.

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Speaker 3: Let's play it. Let's play it again. Let's go ahead

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Speaker 3: and play cut number twenty one there and let's hear

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Speaker 3: justice Jackson.

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Speaker 15: I was thinking about this, and I think they see

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Speaker 15: there are various sources that say this, but you can

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Speaker 15: have You obviously have permanent allegiance based on being born

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Speaker 15: in whatever country you're from. That's what everybody recognizes. But

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Speaker 15: you also have local allegiance when you are on the

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Speaker 15: soil of this other sovereign. And I was thinking, you know,

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Speaker 15: I'm I a US citizen and visiting Japan, and what

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Speaker 15: it means is that, you know, if I steal someone's

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Speaker 15: wallet in hand, the Japanese authorities can arrest me and

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Speaker 15: prosecute me. It's allegiance, meaning can they control you.

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Speaker 6: As a matter of law.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry again, it's no.

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Speaker 2: They will. They will send you back, that's what they

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Speaker 2: will do.

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Speaker 3: And it doesn't mean that you have any allegiance, so

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Speaker 3: they have any allegiance to you.

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Speaker 2: But but let's here's here's my reaction to that. That logic. Uh,

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Speaker 2: this is this is doctor Bruce Banner.

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Speaker 6: He really grows and he doesn't he look, he's going

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Speaker 6: to drag this out.

1952
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:39,479
Speaker 19: So for what's his play?

1953
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:42,800
Speaker 14: He has an army called the Chatari, the note of

1954
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:44,439
Speaker 14: ours God nor any world known.

1955
01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:47,280
Speaker 2: He means to lead them against your people.

1956
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:48,840
Speaker 6: They will win him the Earth.

1957
01:44:49,520 --> 01:44:51,439
Speaker 27: We're to a nice suspect for the testa duct an

1958
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:54,080
Speaker 27: army from outer space.

1959
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Speaker 6: So he's building another portal.

1960
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Speaker 8: That's what you need, Derek Celvic.

1961
01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:02,120
Speaker 6: For Celvic, he's an astrophysicist, he's a friend.

1962
01:45:02,479 --> 01:45:05,679
Speaker 11: Look, he has him under some kind of spell along

1963
01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:06,240
Speaker 11: with one of ours.

1964
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:07,920
Speaker 2: I want to know why Loki let us take him.

1965
01:45:08,280 --> 01:45:09,760
Speaker 6: He's not leading an army from here. I don't think

1966
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:12,080
Speaker 6: we should be focusing on Loki. That guy's brain is

1967
01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:14,599
Speaker 6: a bag full of cats. You can smell on him.

1968
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:18,960
Speaker 3: It can smell crazy on him. That's my reaction to

1969
01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:22,720
Speaker 3: Justice Jackson's logic. There By the way, it opened up

1970
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:27,360
Speaker 3: a whole discussion between me and Landon about Tom Hidleston.

1971
01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:30,479
Speaker 3: I happen to see Tom Hidleston in a play in

1972
01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:34,120
Speaker 3: the West End of London a year ago, just good Lord,

1973
01:45:34,200 --> 01:45:37,439
Speaker 3: just over a year ago, which was just fantastic. And

1974
01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:39,840
Speaker 3: then I realized that and told told the story and

1975
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:43,000
Speaker 3: Landing can listen to this, the story of my of

1976
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:47,200
Speaker 3: my meeting Dana Radcliffe Harry Potter on the air. So

1977
01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:50,120
Speaker 3: I gotta tell you. I love live theater. My wife

1978
01:45:50,160 --> 01:45:52,120
Speaker 3: and I love live theater. So we're gonna end the

1979
01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:56,320
Speaker 3: show today. By the way, we get to New York

1980
01:45:56,360 --> 01:45:59,200
Speaker 3: fairly regularly. Now, I know you can snicker all you want.

1981
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:02,000
Speaker 2: That's who we are. I love it. You just get

1982
01:46:02,040 --> 01:46:03,559
Speaker 2: immersed in all of these things.

1983
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Speaker 20: Uh.

1984
01:46:04,479 --> 01:46:08,040
Speaker 3: And we saw we went up again with Jerry Rodgers

1985
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:11,560
Speaker 3: to do a post Saint Patrick's Day festivities in the

1986
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:14,720
Speaker 3: town called Yonkers. And the night before we went down

1987
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:17,000
Speaker 3: into the into New York City and we saw this

1988
01:46:17,120 --> 01:46:23,759
Speaker 3: play called Every Brilliant Thing. Now, apparently Maritza Hargeta, Mariska

1989
01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:27,240
Speaker 3: hargita Man, she's gonna be taking over. I say that right, Land,

1990
01:46:27,240 --> 01:46:30,200
Speaker 3: and I said it wrong. Believe it's Marishka Marishka Hargitay

1991
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:31,720
Speaker 3: is going to be taking over in this role.

1992
01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:33,800
Speaker 2: But it's a fascinating thing. If you can see it

1993
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Speaker 2: with Daniel.

1994
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Speaker 3: Radcliffe in it, if you can get to New York

1995
01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:38,720
Speaker 3: to see it, and you're a Daniel Radcliffe Harry Potter fan,

1996
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:41,519
Speaker 3: I urge you because it is a one man show.

1997
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Speaker 2: And you go.

1998
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:47,559
Speaker 3: And he runs around for the half hour forty five

1999
01:46:47,560 --> 01:46:50,519
Speaker 3: minutes before the show, handing out little pieces of paper.

2000
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Speaker 2: The audience participates in this.

2001
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:58,200
Speaker 3: Basically, it's a show about the protagonist in the show

2002
01:46:58,760 --> 01:47:02,479
Speaker 3: is keeping track of life's little blessings, every brilliant thing,

2003
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:06,280
Speaker 3: and it starts with number one being ice cream, and

2004
01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:10,160
Speaker 3: it's something that the protagonist starts compiling when they are

2005
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:13,280
Speaker 3: seven years old and their puppy dies, and then it

2006
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:18,080
Speaker 3: sort of goes on through life. Got to there's a

2007
01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:20,880
Speaker 3: little bit more audience participation depending on who you are.

2008
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:24,760
Speaker 3: I got to yell out, you know, whatever was seven

2009
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:29,400
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy seven was knowing someone well enough that

2010
01:47:29,439 --> 01:47:31,959
Speaker 3: they come to you to check their teeth for broccoli,

2011
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Speaker 3: and you have to yell that out.

2012
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Speaker 2: Number seven hundred and seventy seven.

2013
01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:38,080
Speaker 3: I yelled that out, and then five minutes later, Daniel

2014
01:47:38,120 --> 01:47:40,000
Speaker 3: Radcliffe comes off the stage and comes to me so

2015
01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:42,559
Speaker 3: I could check his teeth for broccoli. It was so

2016
01:47:42,640 --> 01:47:46,360
Speaker 3: much fun it was. It sounds gimmicky, it really isn't.

2017
01:47:46,439 --> 01:47:50,759
Speaker 3: It was an incredibly moving play. Highly recommended. Highly recommend

2018
01:47:50,760 --> 01:47:52,400
Speaker 3: that if it winds up going on a tour.

2019
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Speaker 2: So listen. I am back next week Thursday and Friday

2020
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Speaker 2: in for Tony.

2021
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:57,920
Speaker 3: You like what you're hear. Check out my Federal News

2022
01:47:57,960 --> 01:48:01,320
Speaker 3: Wire Lunch Hour podcast. Monday's Up, I'll be with Patrick

2023
01:48:01,400 --> 01:48:05,400
Speaker 3: McLaughlin from the Hoover Institution, talking about regulatory costs.

2024
01:48:05,080 --> 01:48:06,160
Speaker 2: And what's going on there.

2025
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Speaker 3: Follow me on X at Andrew underscore Langer on X

2026
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Speaker 3: I want to thank landon Happy passover to Tony. Have

2027
01:48:14,920 --> 01:48:19,680
Speaker 3: a great weekend everybody, have fun and stay safe.