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Speaker 2: I tell you Wally would be the only character in
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Speaker 3: Radio in his guard Point FM.
Speaker 2: That's really Nate that he three five and one oh
Speaker 2: seven five the fan. Hi walk you back, Yeah, Tony Cassan,
Speaker 2: I this morning talking Coats might have saw Carl Showbiz
Speaker 2: put that bad boy up there.
Speaker 1: You know it was interesting too.
Speaker 2: I brought up the passing at the age of eighty
Speaker 2: three of the legendary Tommy John. Mark Boyle, the voice
Speaker 2: of the Pacers, sent this out talking about because Tommy
Speaker 2: John was at Gertzmeyer but played at Gertzmeyer and Tara
Speaker 2: HOAt after Slick Leonard.
Speaker 1: Was there, and Mark had sent me this.
Speaker 2: Slick once told me that when he played high school
Speaker 2: basketball at Tara HOAt very young, Tommy John was the
Speaker 2: team mascot. That is true Tommy John. Because somebody he
Speaker 2: had just asked me on the text line if Slick
Speaker 2: Leonard and Tommy John played on the same high school
Speaker 2: team in tarret Hate, and they did not. Tommy was
Speaker 2: younger than Slick, And as Mark Boyle had said to
Speaker 2: me a little bit earlier on X, Tommy John was
Speaker 2: younger and was the mascot. But Tommy John was an
Speaker 2: exceptional basketball player, and as I mentioned, and this was
Speaker 2: courtesy of my good friend John Callahan down in Bloomington
Speaker 2: who grew up in Bedford. In nineteen sixty one, Tommy
Speaker 2: John put up forty seven against Bedford High School, losing
Speaker 2: to Bedford, but also being recruited at the time by
Speaker 2: Kentucky and Adolph Rupp, and Tommy John obviously decided to
Speaker 2: play professional baseball. And then everything for everybody changed in
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy four with the invention and the pioneering with
Speaker 2: doctor Frank job and Tommy John surgery. Fairly unbelievable, is
Speaker 2: what it is, the late great Tommy John. And you
Speaker 2: guys were asking when he was on the show, he
Speaker 2: was on the show. I want to say five years ago.
Speaker 2: I also believe if you remember, it was that time
Speaker 2: when there was no sports going on and we're in COVID,
Speaker 2: I think it was in the spring of twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: and he was on the show.
Speaker 1: Just exceptional stuff back then.
Speaker 2: And we were sad to see Tommy John pass away
Speaker 2: that that was announced at the age of eighty three
Speaker 2: over the weekend, and how much of the Colts not
Speaker 2: signing a wide receiver is because ownership is cheap.
Speaker 1: I would not like to think in that fashion.
Speaker 2: I would like to think that it's more of just
Speaker 2: the thought process of those that are putting together the team.
Speaker 2: I would also like to think that maybe if your
Speaker 2: for example, everybody's focus has been on Keenan Allen and
Speaker 2: who knows. I saw over the weekend where they brought
Speaker 2: in what's the guy's name, equanomous, Saint Brown it's a
Speaker 2: Monro's yes, and the one that's not that good, that
Speaker 2: Saint Brown, that's not that good. Josh Reynolds I think
Speaker 2: was another one if I remember him correctly. Once upon
Speaker 2: a time he put up his best numbers. Was it
Speaker 2: Tampa with the Buccaneers for rentals?
Speaker 4: I think it was.
Speaker 2: In Detroit. So they brought in three wide receivers. And
Speaker 2: who knows. They may not be thinking about like the
Speaker 2: rest of the world is thinking about with Keenan Allen.
Speaker 2: But Keenan Allen may be saying, I've been doing this
Speaker 2: for a long time. I don't need to prove myself
Speaker 2: and Jackie Brown with the early to middle stages of
Speaker 2: training camp.
Speaker 1: Now, I know that's what you.
Speaker 2: But and there's also I know financial and I don't
Speaker 2: know why finances would even play a role right here,
Speaker 2: but there are financial situations that you can concidestep two.
Speaker 2: The longer that you wait in this it would just
Speaker 2: to me, regardless of your thought you need one anyway.
Speaker 2: Tony Kass brought up to me this morning, well are
Speaker 2: they going to keep an extra tight end? Is that
Speaker 2: extra tight end going to be will Mallory?
Speaker 1: That to me doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: The wide receiver position is beyond premium and you look
Speaker 2: at it right now. Nothing against those dudes, But is
Speaker 2: there a worse wide receiving group? Especially with Pierce in
Speaker 2: the situation and which he's in, it doesn't sound like
Speaker 2: all of a sudden he's going to hop back up
Speaker 2: and be good.
Speaker 1: To go even for week number one.
Speaker 2: Is there a wide receiving group in the NFL that
Speaker 2: we would consider just buy eyeballing right now, worse than
Speaker 2: the one that the Colts have anybody. I'm not trying
Speaker 2: to be a jackass about it, but the truth is
Speaker 2: is there. You have to find somebody else, and you
Speaker 2: have to find somebody else that is significant.
Speaker 1: There's certainly more significant than what you have.
Speaker 2: I know, they see and they know. But I also
Speaker 2: know this. And this is not me trying to be
Speaker 2: again at jackass. But how many times in the past
Speaker 2: have we or you as a fan been accurate and
Speaker 2: it not worked out for the organization. They have long
Speaker 2: since lost the trust of well, we're around this all
Speaker 2: the time. We're much smarter than you, guys. Sometimes you
Speaker 2: haven't been. It's just you ask anybody, and this is
Speaker 2: what they need. And I would like to say it
Speaker 2: seems obvious, but it more than just seems obvious, It
Speaker 2: is obvious.
Speaker 1: You have to.
Speaker 2: You have to a yes practice.
Speaker 4: On Saturday, John I went up to park and drop
Speaker 4: light Graham Pike, excuse me, and I went up there
Speaker 4: and there was a play in the corner of the
Speaker 4: end zone. Daniel threw it to Josh Downs.
Speaker 1: Josh Town's what.
Speaker 4: I can't remember who the corner was that he went
Speaker 4: up with, but like a jump ball in the corner
Speaker 4: of the end zone and they kind of got physical,
Speaker 4: and I think it was supposed to just kind of
Speaker 4: be a light practice there on Saturday, and the corner
Speaker 4: landed on Josh Downs's ankle and he was limping off,
Speaker 4: and in that moment, I'm thinking to myself like, well,
Speaker 4: Alec Pearce isn't practicing Josh downs?
Speaker 1: Is it so?
Speaker 4: And it just takes you to like, Okay, if we
Speaker 4: get to September and October when these games star mattering
Speaker 4: and plays like that are happening ten times a Sundanes
Speaker 4: are what is going to happen here.
Speaker 2: To a team that historically and notoriously is consistently compromised
Speaker 2: due to Angelina. Yeah, that's not lost on anybody right now,
Speaker 2: and especially financially. It would seem to me that you
Speaker 2: would be knowing what you know. And there are half
Speaker 2: twos across the board this year. I mean, the lay
Speaker 2: of the land has been presented, there are half twos
Speaker 2: levels in which you must reach this season. Why you
Speaker 2: would not go all in? I heard before Kevin and
Speaker 2: James came on this morning. I heard whatever ESPN morning
Speaker 2: show programming that is talk about how, hey, the cults
Speaker 2: are all in really in what capacity? Only because Carly
Speaker 2: Orsay Gordon has said that. But does it appear to
Speaker 2: you as if they are. Does it appear to you
Speaker 2: with the work that they have done and the off
Speaker 2: season that they are You had to have a quarterback,
Speaker 2: so you got to bring back Daniel Jones because you
Speaker 2: don't believe in any of the other two at that level.
Speaker 2: Now you brought back your best wide receiver. Now you
Speaker 2: let your other wide receiver, you know, go. You had
Speaker 2: to give them up to Pittsburgh. And you know, obviously
Speaker 2: we'll see because a lot of people suggest Michael Pittman
Speaker 2: Junior didn't produce at the level in which he was
Speaker 2: going to be paid. So that was something you had
Speaker 2: to compromise. But as I've always said, at the very
Speaker 2: least he was somebody go all right, Michael Pittman Jr.
Speaker 2: We have to account for that guy who you're accounting
Speaker 2: for here. You look around the NFL, is there a
Speaker 2: team that has a worse or and it's just eyeballing
Speaker 2: it a worse by the eyeball test wide receiving situation
Speaker 2: than the Colts right now.
Speaker 1: And then.
Speaker 2: You know, I saw the video that James put out
Speaker 2: from Shane Steichen talking about Alec Pierce.
Speaker 1: Ali Peer's gonna be good to go for week number one.
Speaker 1: You count on that.
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like it's all in, as that morning
Speaker 2: show proclaimed all in, They're all in. Well you're all
Speaker 2: in because that's what your owner says, but it's not
Speaker 2: like the actions have dictated. Yeah, this is a have
Speaker 2: to quick when we'll come back. If you're on hold,
Speaker 2: I'll get to your Top of the Hour, Ted Bishop's
Speaker 2: going to join us. I mentioned tomorrow Rick Venturi and
Speaker 2: Charles R. Buckle on the show along with Greg Rakestraw.
Speaker 2: We have a preseason game two on Saturday to Tales
Speaker 2: coming up. For that, We're going to be live on
Speaker 2: Thursday at Colt's Camp, drop Light Grand Park, Westfield. That's
Speaker 2: the joint gatherings with the Atlanta Falcons. DeForrest Buckner joins
Speaker 2: us coming up on Thursday too. Meantime, Ted Bishop, Top
Speaker 2: of the Hour, The life of one great left handed pitcher,
Speaker 2: Tommy John from Taro, Indiana. Ted Bishop, about that four
Speaker 2: o'clock hour, Stephen Holder, more on the Colts and a
Speaker 2: lot of the things I'm talking about right now, five
Speaker 2: o'clock hour. This is ninety three five one oh seven
Speaker 2: five the fan meantime of the Endymore Automotive Group Hotline.
Speaker 2: He is the former PGA of America Prez and he
Speaker 2: is presently and still the awesome pro down at the
Speaker 2: Legends in Franklin. He is a friend of the show.
Speaker 2: He is Ted Bishop, who joins us. Now, Hello, Ted,
Speaker 2: how are you pal?
Speaker 3: And good GMB.
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you, is this the final hurrah
Speaker 2: for live golf this weekend here?
Speaker 5: I think it very well could be. It'll be interesting.
Speaker 5: Supposedly they've got some kind of source of funding, but
Speaker 5: we'll see.
Speaker 2: I kind of wondered that this is going to be
Speaker 2: because they put a lot more money into this event,
Speaker 2: and it's got people wondering if maybe this is going
Speaker 2: to be it after that particular Westfield event this week.
Speaker 2: I guess yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, honestly, I'm even kind of surprised that this
Speaker 5: event's taken place.
Speaker 2: Really, did you have questions leading up to it whether
Speaker 2: or not it was going to happen?
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 5: I would if you would have asked me a month ago,
Speaker 5: I would have said, it's probably not going to happen.
Speaker 1: What are the biggest issues with this from what you see?
Speaker 5: Well, I think that there has not been really a
Speaker 5: lot of fan interest relative to the amount of money
Speaker 5: that's involved in the person I think the formats have been,
Speaker 5: you know, a real issue. I just I don't know
Speaker 5: for me personally, I haven't seen one shot of live golf, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, living either to watch. I don't even know where
Speaker 1: to find it, to be honest with I don't know where.
Speaker 2: To find it.
Speaker 3: That's the problem.
Speaker 2: And Tim, Yeah, And the other thing is it seems
Speaker 2: like that they wanted to go all in on this
Speaker 2: like happy Gilmore form of golf that yeah, didn't go
Speaker 2: off in any interest whatsoever.
Speaker 5: Now And I think that really one of the fundamental
Speaker 5: problems that you have, and this is true even with
Speaker 5: the PGA Tour right now, John, is that so many
Speaker 5: people would rather play golf than watch it on TV.
Speaker 5: And that's the first time in a long time, and
Speaker 5: we've talked about that before.
Speaker 3: That that's been the case.
Speaker 5: But people would rather be recreating than spectating.
Speaker 2: You know what's weird about that is if there is
Speaker 2: any sport out there that can take advantage of the
Speaker 2: just incredible technology that we have that we have seen
Speaker 2: implemented on all forms, especially football, would be that of
Speaker 2: golf because they can bring that right into your living room.
Speaker 2: Yet still it's such a long time consuming event. It's
Speaker 2: rough to get people to hang around for the required time.
Speaker 3: You know, it is.
Speaker 5: And I remember back when I was doing a lot
Speaker 5: of things with golf. There would be occasionally somebody would
Speaker 5: say that and watch on golf on TV because it
Speaker 5: was like watching somebody fish And honestly, how what it
Speaker 5: does for me right now?
Speaker 2: Like Da, Well, what do you think golf needs? Like
Speaker 2: in general? A rejuvenation of sorts?
Speaker 3: Here?
Speaker 1: Is there anything you have in your mind?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: I think they need star power.
Speaker 5: And in all due respect to Scheffler, he's a great player.
Speaker 5: He's the best player out there right now. But they
Speaker 5: need star power like they had with Tiger Woods, Arnold
Speaker 5: Palmer and Jack Nicklas, so on and so forth. And
Speaker 5: I just I don't think that that's.
Speaker 3: Going to happen in our lifetime.
Speaker 5: So it's going to be interesting to see what happens
Speaker 5: going forward.
Speaker 2: It is incredible to see whom is selected to be
Speaker 2: that star power. Ten I'll give you a great example.
Speaker 2: So Friday, I'm at Pivot Bar and balcony. I didn't
Speaker 2: have child because this is after the show. I didn't
Speaker 2: have time to say this. I haven't said it yet,
Speaker 2: but this is before the feat and the Wings played
Speaker 2: and we were giving away with Hurst and Lamontes the
Speaker 2: law firm. Here we're giving away gas cards for those
Speaker 2: that came the furthest away ted on the balcony alone
Speaker 2: listening to this show. We had people that are there
Speaker 2: from New Jersey, Florida, Boston and this is just all
Speaker 2: of the balcony next to us, Philadelphia, Chicago, and we
Speaker 2: had a dude and his wife and the guy was
Speaker 2: a mountain climber slash prosecutor in Fairbanks, Alaska, and he
Speaker 2: had come all the way here to see that. So
Speaker 2: the Fever reach and I guess who the general public
Speaker 2: decide to be those that what you're talking about, those
Speaker 2: maidenline folks. It is incredible, but clearly Caitlin Clark and
Speaker 2: the Fever would be that by what I discovered on Friday,
Speaker 2: I knew that it was popular. I had no idea
Speaker 2: that people came. You know, we had a Twin Falls, Idaho,
Speaker 2: had no idea people came from that far out to
Speaker 2: witness that. And that's kind of what you're talking about
Speaker 2: in the form of golf right here.
Speaker 5: You know what, I'll say A funny story that you
Speaker 5: mentioned that for the August sixth game.
Speaker 3: Barry Hyde, who works for the Washerman Agency in New York.
Speaker 3: He's Tom Watson's agent.
Speaker 5: He reached out to me to see if there was
Speaker 5: any way that I could get him two Fever tickets
Speaker 5: for that game. Now here's a guy that with Washerman
Speaker 5: Sports who can get tickets for anything. But he had
Speaker 5: he had a niece and a nephew that were going
Speaker 5: to be in Indianapolis, and I reached out they are
Speaker 5: a good friend, Susie Fisher, and got him the tickets.
Speaker 5: But they came from New York City to see this
Speaker 5: Fever game because they wanted to see Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 2: It's seriously, I've seen very few things like it now. Honestly, Ted,
Speaker 2: I knew that it was that big, but I had
Speaker 2: no idea just those people for a random Friday game.
Speaker 2: I know you had Paige Becker's on the other side too,
Speaker 2: but it was absolutely incredible. The links in which these
Speaker 2: people came and drove in or flew in to get
Speaker 2: to that game, absolutely incredible, no doubt. Hey, by the way, too,
Speaker 2: you mentioned Susie. We got to mention, don did you
Speaker 2: see over the weekend are living a legend going into
Speaker 2: the Indiana the Indiana Historical Society. I saw that the
Speaker 2: Historical Society gave him an award.
Speaker 1: He was all.
Speaker 2: Tuxedoed up and everything going back to Friday.
Speaker 5: No, I actually I forgot all about that. I do
Speaker 5: remember when the announcement came out and I told him,
Speaker 5: I said, you know, you really reached a milestone of
Speaker 5: age when you're getting read by the Indiana Storical Society.
Speaker 2: You know what, Ted, you know what really pisses I
Speaker 2: tell him this all the time too, I said, it
Speaker 2: really pisses me off because he looks he looks like
Speaker 2: he hasn't aged a year.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: And he's all tuxedo and a pier and looking great
Speaker 2: right now. And he's got Peyton Manning Larry Bird to
Speaker 2: Mika Catching's Bill Poleon. You know, among those that are
Speaker 2: a part of the living, living legend of Indiana by
Speaker 2: the Indiana Historical Society, that is one hell of an
Speaker 2: honor right there.
Speaker 3: For Don Well, he is truly a living legend.
Speaker 5: And as you know, and everybody that knows youre pare
Speaker 5: at the legends. He's he's known for being an extremely
Speaker 5: nice guy. On top of being the.
Speaker 2: Voice, yeah yeah, he also he also buys all the
Speaker 2: beer for me at our table on Friday nights, which
Speaker 2: is really nice. I appreciate that too, Ted Bishop, who
Speaker 2: is down legends. The reason why I want to bring
Speaker 2: you on is, if I remember correctly, it was over COVID,
Speaker 2: there was no sports going on, and you put now
Speaker 2: the late Tommy John on with me. He was an
Speaker 2: incredible conversation the first time he'd ever been on this show.
Speaker 2: And from Tera Hot, Indiana, I know that you were
Speaker 2: really close to him. He passed away over the weekend.
Speaker 2: What's Tommy John and his legend mean to you, Ted.
Speaker 5: Well, I want to go back to the first time
Speaker 5: I met him, John, and it was in nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 5: I was doing some moonlighting work for the Lynton Daily
Speaker 5: Citizen on the side when I was running the golf
Speaker 5: course down there, and the legendary Tom Wreck at the
Speaker 5: Terretoe Tribune Star got me set up to do an
Speaker 5: interview with Tommy John when the Dodgers were in Cincinnati
Speaker 5: the last week of the season before the playoffs started,
Speaker 5: and obviously the Dodgers were going to go to the
Speaker 5: postseason and go to the World Series. So I had
Speaker 5: never met Tommy John, but I went down there at
Speaker 5: the age of twenty four, and after the game was
Speaker 5: over with went into the Dodger clubhouse and Tommy was
Speaker 5: stark naked in a whirlpool drinking a glass of red wine.
Speaker 5: And the clubhouse guy took me over and did the introductions,
Speaker 5: and you know, I did this interview with him. And
Speaker 5: while we were doing the interview, Bill Russell, the Dodger shortstop,
Speaker 5: came over and John had evidently been in the whirlpool
Speaker 5: for a while and he said, Tommy, gets your ass
Speaker 5: out of there. He said, you know, it's my time,
Speaker 5: and Tommy looked up at him and he grinned and
Speaker 5: he said, Russ. He said, I'm going to finish talking
Speaker 5: to my friend Ted here, who he'd never met before,
Speaker 5: and I'm going to finish this glass of wine. And
Speaker 5: he said when that's done, he said.
Speaker 3: It's all yours.
Speaker 5: And it was a few years later when he retired.
Speaker 5: He called me at the golf course in Lynton and
Speaker 5: he asked me if he could play in the Phil
Speaker 5: Harris Tournament. And I said, are you kidding? Absolutely, and
Speaker 5: he said, well, there's one condition. He said, I want
Speaker 5: to bring my dad. And he said I want to
Speaker 5: play with my dad. And I said, well that's that's
Speaker 5: an easy ass, so you can definitely do that, So
Speaker 5: I don't know. For the next eight or nine years
Speaker 5: that I ran that tournament, he came to Winton and
Speaker 5: he played with his dad every year, and he was
Speaker 5: here for our grand opening at the Legends. Bob Lamey,
Speaker 5: the great announcer for the Colts, was a huge Yankees
Speaker 5: fan like I am, and he wanted spring training tickets
Speaker 5: one year, which are impossible to get at Legends Field.
Speaker 5: So I called Tommy. Tommy got Bob the this, you know,
Speaker 5: the spring season tickets. I mean, he was he was
Speaker 5: a great friend. And I thought the the statement that
Speaker 5: the Yankees released last week where he was quoted as
Speaker 5: saying that his dad had said something to him like,
Speaker 5: you know when it Saul said and done, You're just
Speaker 5: going to be Tommy Jones from Tarahoe, Indiana, and and
Speaker 5: he never really lost sight of that. And I mean
Speaker 5: he had a tremendous career. I mean, you know that
Speaker 5: as well as I do. Should be in the Hall
Speaker 5: of Fame, without question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree, Ted Bishop with the life and
Speaker 2: knowing Tommy John who passed away at the age of
Speaker 2: eighty three this weekend. Ted's on the Andy Moore Automotive
Speaker 2: Group potline and just you know, beyond the pioneering of
Speaker 2: the Tommy John surgery alone as a multi decade player.
Speaker 2: He started in the sixties, I believe with the Indians,
Speaker 2: to the White Sox, to the Dodgers, to the Yankees.
Speaker 2: But we're talking one, two, three, what eighty nine with
Speaker 2: the A's when I think he called it quits right there,
Speaker 2: that is one hell of an incredible career.
Speaker 3: Well it was. I mean, you know, I think so
Speaker 3: you ask yourself, why is the guy not in the
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame?
Speaker 5: And you know, I heard I saw an interesting interview
Speaker 5: yesterday where they ran it on the MLB network and
Speaker 5: Tommy John said that when Jim Cott went in the
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame, Jim Cott called him to apologize. And
Speaker 5: Tommy said, what do you what do you call him
Speaker 5: to apologize for? He should be happy, And he said,
Speaker 5: I can't believe that I'm going in to the Hall
Speaker 5: of Game before you do. And I think, you know,
Speaker 5: the guy won two hundred.
Speaker 3: And eighty eight games.
Speaker 5: I think they always held the two hundred and thirty
Speaker 5: one losses that he had against him. But you have
Speaker 5: to consider he had a three point three four lifetime
Speaker 5: era and toy put it into perspective. I mean he
Speaker 5: played pitched for some bad teams in his career. I
Speaker 5: mean when he was with the White Sox, John he
Speaker 5: was eighty two and eighty in eight years, but he
Speaker 5: had a two point nine to five era. I mean
Speaker 5: his numbers are unbelievable. Three time twenty game winner, four
Speaker 5: time All Star, like you said, a twenty six year career,
Speaker 5: and you know he started like I think it was
Speaker 5: three hundred and eighty five games that he pitched after
Speaker 5: he had Tommy John surgery.
Speaker 3: Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is Ted Bishop joins us.
Speaker 2: My friend John Callahan down in Wilmington sent me this
Speaker 2: note over the weekend, and I was unaware. I knew
Speaker 2: that he was a high level athlete at Terre Hote
Speaker 2: Gertzmeyer back in the sixties, and he came obviously after
Speaker 2: the late Slick Leonard as well. I think he was
Speaker 2: a mascot as a Slick letter told Mark Boyle mascot
Speaker 2: for gertz Meyer whenever Slick was a player Gertzmeyer. But
Speaker 2: Tommy John in nineteen sixty one scored forty seven against
Speaker 2: Bedford High School and was being recruited by Adolph Rupp
Speaker 2: at Kentucky but then ultimately chose to play as he
Speaker 2: did professional baseball. But he was every bit as good
Speaker 2: as basketball player back then.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a fact. I mean he's told me that
Speaker 5: story many times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an Adolph Rupp And I think he told
Speaker 2: us that too when he was he was on here.
Speaker 1: I the first time that you met him was that with.
Speaker 2: The when you were doing that interview of him for
Speaker 2: the Daily Citizen.
Speaker 1: Was that the first time was.
Speaker 3: I mean I'd never met him before that that was it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it really is incredible. And then the what
Speaker 2: he touched as far as you know, baseball teams and
Speaker 2: the era in what she played, it's in continues. His
Speaker 2: name is one that will never ever go away because
Speaker 2: in terms of baseball you hear his name about every
Speaker 2: other week nowadays, you just really do. And the people
Speaker 2: have careers now that they never would have.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Obviously, doctor Frank Job in nineteen seventy four had a
Speaker 2: lot to do with that as the guy that pioneered
Speaker 2: the procedure himself, But you know the guy that had
Speaker 2: the career thereafter is that of Tommy John Well.
Speaker 3: He is and when he had that surgery. You know,
Speaker 3: he told me this that, you know, Joe.
Speaker 5: He was done, he was done pitching, I mean, his
Speaker 5: career was over with. And yeah, really the surgery was
Speaker 5: kind of a last ditch effort at the time, and
Speaker 5: Job told him that the odds of him returning to
Speaker 5: pitch were one hundred to one against. And he's like, well,
Speaker 5: I got nothing to lose, I'm gonna go ahead and
Speaker 5: do it. And obviously the rest was history. And it's
Speaker 5: you know, it's one thing for a journeyman player to
Speaker 5: go through a surgery like that and then really streamline
Speaker 5: what happens in baseball for the rest of time. But again,
Speaker 5: getting back to the Hall of Fame situation, I mean,
Speaker 5: here's a guy that won two hundred and eighty eight games.
Speaker 3: The only two guys.
Speaker 5: That have won more games than Tommy John that are
Speaker 5: not in the Hall of Fame are Roger Clemens for
Speaker 5: obvious reasons. And the name of the next guy escapes
Speaker 5: me because he was a guy that pitched in the
Speaker 5: early days of the game, before there.
Speaker 3: Was even a mound. So you know, it's well, you
Speaker 3: he'll be in now.
Speaker 2: You mentioned Jim Cott to eighty three, which is less
Speaker 2: Bert blyleven is in at to eighty seven, Robert Roberts
Speaker 2: is entered two eighty six, Foggy Jenkins at two eighty four. Uh,
Speaker 2: Mike Mussina, I think right is two seventy more modern days,
Speaker 2: certainly right there, Jim Palmer's two sixty eight, Bob Feller
Speaker 2: two sixty six. So you've got guys in this, and
Speaker 2: we can go further down the list as well with
Speaker 2: those types. But you know, there are guys with less
Speaker 2: wins that are in right now, certainly than Tommy John Well.
Speaker 5: I just think that the duration of his career, it's
Speaker 5: almost like the twenty six years that he pitched worked
Speaker 5: against him in the minds of some people. Becauesn't work
Speaker 5: as that mentality might be if you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: You know, okay, Well he had two hundred and eighty
Speaker 5: eight wins, but he pitched for twenty six years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean seriously, he told you know, John,
Speaker 3: he told me a story.
Speaker 5: I gave me a statistic and I've I've looked tried
Speaker 5: to look it up today before this interview about how
Speaker 5: many of his seven hundred starts he it's into the
Speaker 5: eighth inning, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's completely different era baseball Ted because
Speaker 2: you know you basically you went all the way.
Speaker 1: I mean you did. It's nothing like it is today.
Speaker 5: But uh, you know, an incredible career, but a you know,
Speaker 5: really a great guy in a classic.
Speaker 3: Hoosier for sure.
Speaker 2: I brought this up a little bit earlier. Ted Bishop
Speaker 2: down in Franklin at the Legends. He is the golf
Speaker 2: pro and obviously used to be the pro over at
Speaker 2: the Phil Harris and Lytton Indiana.
Speaker 1: How many times did did he be a part of the.
Speaker 2: Phil Harris Classic over the summers that you were a
Speaker 2: part of it too?
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously say eight or nine times for sure.
Speaker 2: Wow, that that will go down as one of the
Speaker 2: greatest golf tournaments of all time. You realize that, right,
Speaker 2: especially in the state of India, I mean the state
Speaker 2: of Indiana had there was was there anything else in
Speaker 2: the state like then and now like it?
Speaker 1: It's incredible.
Speaker 5: The only thing that was going on that was even
Speaker 5: remotely like it was the Matt Anthony's up in Fort Wayne.
Speaker 3: But as you know, because you grew up.
Speaker 5: In that area, the thing that different differentiated that tournament
Speaker 5: was we had six hundred players in two days. We
Speaker 5: had four one hundred and fifty players, shotguns, starts. Every
Speaker 5: team had a celebrity, I mean the baseball players, the
Speaker 5: football players we had, I mean there were some big
Speaker 5: names obviously, entertainers, astronauts. I mean it was a phenomenal weekend.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: How long did did? What year?
Speaker 2: I guess I should ask this, what year did Phil
Speaker 2: Harris get that started?
Speaker 3: There?
Speaker 5: We started it in nineteen seventy nine. Wow, and Bill
Speaker 5: he came back until the year that he passed away,
Speaker 5: which seems to me was about nineteen ninety three or
Speaker 5: ninety four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And just I've mentioned this a little bit earlier
Speaker 2: to the younger audience. They may not get it, but
Speaker 2: it was a who's who stage and screen going back
Speaker 2: to the fifties and the sixties.
Speaker 3: It was Yeah, No, it was well, you know.
Speaker 5: Everybody, even the younger generation today, they remember the movie
Speaker 5: Jungle Book and you know Phil Harris, he had a
Speaker 5: gold record for the song bar Necessities.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's incredible. Think about that, and people probably don't.
Speaker 2: Now that's why we're educating them on this. But I
Speaker 2: brought that up a little bit earlier with Tommy John
Speaker 2: in mine because you know, everybody would obviously remember that
Speaker 2: of Bob Knight, and I know Bob Knight was a
Speaker 2: part of that for a number of years as well,
Speaker 2: the lay great Indiana coach. But wow, it was just
Speaker 2: it was something back then. It really was. Yep, it
Speaker 2: was all right, hell things going down in Franklin for
Speaker 2: you too, you guys stand dry.
Speaker 5: You know what, We're very fortunate compared to what a
Speaker 5: lot of people are dealing with. But yeah, we're hanging
Speaker 5: in there and looking forward to good weather this week
Speaker 5: and hopefully get things going again.
Speaker 2: That is Ted Bischip done in Franklin, and if you
Speaker 2: want to play some golf, go down there to just
Speaker 2: an incredible course and have a great time. And tell
Speaker 2: Ted that we sing legends down in Franklin also the
Speaker 2: host back in April of what was a incredible fan
Speaker 2: golf outing. Man, I can't thank you enough for everything
Speaker 2: you do, and thanks for you know, looking back at
Speaker 2: somebody you knew very well and Tommy John. I thought, well,
Speaker 2: I was thinking over the weekend. You know, obviously you
Speaker 2: hooked me up with Tommy John about five years ago,
Speaker 2: and I thought maybe I should get you on to
Speaker 2: talk up just exactly what people may not know about
Speaker 2: him as an athlete, because it was more than just
Speaker 2: the Tommy Todd surgery itself.
Speaker 5: Well it was, and it's been interesting to listen to
Speaker 5: a lot of interviews. I just watched when the Bucky
Speaker 5: Dent did a few minutes ago, and just the respect
Speaker 5: and admiration that all his teammates had for him, particularly
Speaker 5: with the Yankees, but obviously the Dodgers and any of
Speaker 5: the teams that he played for.
Speaker 3: I mean, he really was. He was a great guy.
Speaker 2: Ted.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you man. We'll be in touch again really soon.
Speaker 2: And if you see our good friend Don Fisher before
Speaker 2: I do, congratulate him on that honor this past weekend.
Speaker 1: That was something oh I absolutely will all right, Thanks Ted.
Speaker 2: Thanks that's Ted Bishop of the Legends down in Franklin
Speaker 2: on the Andy Morron at one Off Group potlined. Caleb's
Speaker 2: over there, John right here, by the way. We need
Speaker 2: to bring up Caleb going to the Is it the
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Open? What is it called the Masters? It is
Speaker 2: called the Cincinnati Open.
Speaker 1: You had it right, the Cincinnati Open.
Speaker 2: You saw play tennis yesterday back in the day prior
Speaker 2: to the US Open. You had lead ups, and Indy
Speaker 2: was always in a matchup, a battle, if you will,
Speaker 2: for that top layer of talent with Cincinnati. Now Indy
Speaker 2: has disappeared. Yeah, yeah, I will say this, John.
Speaker 4: I know this isn't a tennis show any means, but
Speaker 4: it's it's pretty fun.
Speaker 2: It's my first time ever watching it. And who'd you
Speaker 2: see yesterday in Cincinnati Cocoa Golf and.
Speaker 4: Then the number one player in the world, Arena Sabolenka,
Speaker 4: So that was pretty cool.
Speaker 2: And he also played hoop with us yesterday at Center
Speaker 2: Grove Central before you went to Cincinnati, and he went
Speaker 2: all stinky and sweaty and be ol ridden.
Speaker 4: Hey, and I was thinking about that because you made
Speaker 4: fun of me right before I left. I was like, hey,
Speaker 4: we were outside all day and it was hot and
Speaker 4: interesting cologna. Yeah, but it didn't matter because once I
Speaker 4: got there it was the same thing.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, everybody had bo just like you. You're all good.
Speaker 2: That'd be fun right there. Yeah. Hey, there was a
Speaker 2: time and I blank you not And we could talk
Speaker 2: about this with Greg when he joins US tomorrow. Greg
Speaker 2: Reigsdraw did radio play by play on the former nine
Speaker 2: to fifty Sports station with the late Bud Collins, who
Speaker 2: was one of the if not the most noted tennis
Speaker 2: experts and analysts on the planet and maybe of all time.
Speaker 2: It was Greg and Bud Collins doing tennis play by
Speaker 2: play on the radio, which I have no I still
Speaker 2: like Greg could do anything play by play on the radio,
Speaker 2: but it was shocking. I got what he and Bud
Speaker 2: Collins doing it. It was incredible. The Thomas Rhett and
Speaker 2: Disco Lines concerts at Live Golf Indie, which is going
Speaker 2: to be hosted coming up this week in Westfield, the
Speaker 2: concerts have been canceled. Live Golf made that announcement quote
Speaker 2: due to unavoidable changes in the entertainment program. That doesn't
Speaker 2: sound great. So Thomas Rhat and Disco Lines, we're headlining
Speaker 2: the concert at Live this week. Caleb canceled.
Speaker 6: That's a bummer.
Speaker 2: Cancel is Amber. So we talked to Ted Bishop about
Speaker 2: this a little bit earlier. He was surprised that the
Speaker 2: tournament was going to go off. Gonna makes you wonder
Speaker 2: if it is. And certainly it looks like it's going
Speaker 2: to be the last tournament this season and maybe the
Speaker 2: last of all time.
Speaker 1: Is that what people were saying right now to.
Speaker 2: The rumor, but Ted did say that there's funding. There's
Speaker 2: funding they're gonna find. Supposedly, I need to find some
Speaker 2: funding too. Yeah. I think we all need to find funding.
Speaker 2: Can anybody find us funding on the Andy Moore Automotive
Speaker 2: Group hotline. We'll be up there with him coming up
Speaker 2: on Thursday for the first time a drop light at
Speaker 2: Grant Park that is one of the joint get togethers
Speaker 2: with the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 1: Coming up on Saturday.
Speaker 2: At his preseason game two with the Falcons from ESPN,
Speaker 2: Stephen Holder joins us.
Speaker 1: Hello, Steve even, how are you?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 6: There we go? Sorry, I was muted that is.
Speaker 2: Right there, So yeah, you to put me on you.
Speaker 2: I gotta mute this of it. I got to either
Speaker 2: come on or this guy's got to shut up, or
Speaker 2: something's got to happen.
Speaker 6: No, oh, good good. I went to that Cincinnati Open
Speaker 6: last year for the first time. By the way, uh
Speaker 6: the tennis tournament. It was a good time. A friend
Speaker 6: of mine in Cincinnati had does the whole like, I
Speaker 6: guess they call it a season ticket. Yeah, big tennis fan.
Speaker 6: And so I went and spent a day. I did
Speaker 6: the day session and part of the night session and
Speaker 6: if you if you like tennis, and I get it's
Speaker 6: a little bit of a niche sport, but if you
Speaker 6: like tennis, even if you don't, but if you like tennis,
Speaker 6: you have to go because it's all the heavy hitters play.
Speaker 6: It's a big deal. So I did not know that
Speaker 6: upon or prior to going, but I saw basically the
Speaker 6: top three or four players in the world.
Speaker 2: I'm men and women, and that's what Caleb did yesterday,
Speaker 2: And I for one would love it if there would
Speaker 2: be a resurgence in tennis interest as it was when
Speaker 2: I was growing up. I just I don't know if
Speaker 2: that's going to be in the cards. But when I
Speaker 2: was growing up, I mean, now, we knew the top
Speaker 2: twenty men and women, and I'd scrambled to give you
Speaker 2: like five in both groups right now.
Speaker 6: And it's really I think it's really boiled down to
Speaker 6: a very simple explanation, because I I'm with you. I
Speaker 6: remember being home in the summer from school and I'm
Speaker 6: watching all of Wimbledon, I'm watching the French Open, all
Speaker 6: that stuff, and it was a big deal to you,
Speaker 6: and I knew all the top players, and I think
Speaker 6: the simple explanation is just that, particularly on the men's side,
Speaker 6: you had a lot of American men and they were good,
Speaker 6: you know, the likes of Peak Sampers and guys like that,
Speaker 6: and I was, I mean, I was an avid follower
Speaker 6: back then. I can't say that today, and you know,
Speaker 6: things change, but I do think that's part of it.
Speaker 6: That's a really big part of it.
Speaker 2: I think I would love to know this if I
Speaker 2: were to just lobbed this question out there, what is
Speaker 2: the greatest because this is all the Cincinnati Open and
Speaker 2: what used to be here in Indy was a precursor
Speaker 2: or lead up tournaments in preparation for the US Open
Speaker 2: in Queens, which is coming up at the end of
Speaker 2: this month in early September. I guess, but what is
Speaker 2: the greatest US Open tennis memory all time? For anybody?
Speaker 2: What would be the first thing I would guess this.
Speaker 2: I would guess it would be in nineteen ninety one
Speaker 2: and Jimmy Conners and Aaron Cricket.
Speaker 1: That would be my guess.
Speaker 2: And I think that stands the reason as to why
Speaker 2: maybe a lot of people would suggest it's out of side,
Speaker 2: out of mind, because we have to go back to
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety one I bet a lot of people, especially
Speaker 2: in my age demographic, would reference that as their fondest
Speaker 2: memory of all time of that tournament.
Speaker 6: Right, I mean, well, that tells you all you need
Speaker 6: to know. I mean, that was like three generations ago, right,
Speaker 6: I mean not quite, but it was a long time ago, right,
Speaker 6: I mean nineteen ninety one. I was in like the
Speaker 6: tenth grade, you know what I mean. So what are
Speaker 6: we talking about, you know? And so yeah, I mean
Speaker 6: there's a whole, like a whole generation of kids that
Speaker 6: have come along after you and me that never you know,
Speaker 6: it was never even in there in their thought process,
Speaker 6: you know, because there was just no there was no
Speaker 6: one close to home for them to root for, and
Speaker 6: that that kind of needs to change, you know. I saw,
Speaker 6: I think I saw it was it Ben Shelton out
Speaker 6: there last year, and so like he had a big
Speaker 6: crowd cheering for him, and like that was a hot ticket,
Speaker 6: you know, to get in get a seat for his match,
Speaker 6: you know. But you know he's kind of like just
Speaker 6: on the outside of like the really elite players, you know,
Speaker 6: so you need you need a home team guy, you know.
Speaker 6: That's why I think it boils.
Speaker 2: Down to, Yeah, his he has a link to Carmelts
Speaker 2: Ben Shelton, does I think his his mom I think
Speaker 2: grew up in Carmel, Did she not? I believe Been
Speaker 2: Shelton the player did. Can you, hey, Caleb when you
Speaker 2: look that up? I believe that, and that that should
Speaker 2: be something that you would think we'd be talking about
Speaker 2: a lot around here. But that just kind of shows
Speaker 2: you where Tennis is in the grand scheme of things.
Speaker 2: I guess that is what I thought. I thought that
Speaker 2: his mom was from Carmel originally.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, anyway, hopefully maybe he's maybe he can figure it out.
Speaker 6: We'll see.
Speaker 2: Stephen Holder of ESPN is with us, speaking of figuring
Speaker 2: things out. Is this a comfortable slash confident place the
Speaker 2: Colts are in with their wide receiving group right now?
Speaker 2: I know they brought a trio in at some point
Speaker 2: in the past forty eight hours or so, check them
Speaker 2: out and then then then send them on their way.
Speaker 2: Are they comfortable with the way this is going? Would
Speaker 2: they be comfortable and going with an extra tight end
Speaker 2: starting the season? And where are we with the thought
Speaker 2: of participation of like Pierce in week number one? Just
Speaker 2: kind of a really a couple of questions right here
Speaker 2: regarding the wide receivers of the colt to start the season.
Speaker 6: So I think as to your first question in terms
Speaker 6: of what is their comfort level with the wide receivers?
Speaker 6: Are they comfortable with their current wide receivers? I would
Speaker 6: say they are more comfortable than they were maybe when
Speaker 6: camp started. Okay, and that's also true of me just
Speaker 6: observing them. I see a scenario where, okay, there are
Speaker 6: that trio of guys does have some playmaking ability. We're
Speaker 6: not talking about the first option and out when the
Speaker 6: trio being you know, the likes of Ashton Doing, you know,
Speaker 6: Lakwan Treadwill, Nick Westbrookakine collectively, you can get some plays
Speaker 6: from that trio, right The problem is I won't trust
Speaker 6: it on a play to play basis. You know, I
Speaker 6: think over the course of three weeks of training camp,
Speaker 6: yes they've all made some plays, but can they do
Speaker 6: it at the moment of truth, you know, when with
Speaker 6: a game on the line. Not that they're the first
Speaker 6: option in that situation, but I'm just saying, you know,
Speaker 6: if they are called upon in that situation, do you
Speaker 6: count on those guys? Can you count on those guys?
Speaker 6: Any of those guys to make the play that you need,
Speaker 6: and I don't think that's a position I want to
Speaker 6: be in ideally, right, So I guess in terms of
Speaker 6: feeling comfortable, as I said, more comfortable because they've they've
Speaker 6: all stepped up at different times in camp. But I
Speaker 6: don't know that that's the end all be all. I
Speaker 6: do think so a couple other things you mentioned personnel,
Speaker 6: will they use the tight end more? I think yes, absolutely.
Speaker 6: You will probably see a little more of the two
Speaker 6: tight end sets. You may even see some three tight
Speaker 6: end sets, you know, with one wide receiver in a
Speaker 6: running back you might. You know, you might see them
Speaker 6: be more involved in the passing game. You know, we
Speaker 6: will see. But the big question, though is the one
Speaker 6: you mentioned last, and that is Alec Pierce. And whereas
Speaker 6: he yesterday was one month out from opening day, so
Speaker 6: we are now three weeks and six days out today
Speaker 6: from opening day. That is a fair amount of time,
Speaker 6: but he's got to get back soon. I don't think
Speaker 6: you can drag this out another couple of weeks and
Speaker 6: feel good about it, Like if he's not going to
Speaker 6: be out there this week, I don't anticipate any of that.
Speaker 6: So I think you're talking about next week at the earliest.
Speaker 6: After this preseason game, they get back to practice. I
Speaker 6: believe a week from today. I would love to see
Speaker 6: him out there on next Monday, but I certainly can't
Speaker 6: guarantee it.
Speaker 2: You do you think he'll play in weight number one?
Speaker 6: I don't have reason to say otherwise right now, But
Speaker 6: time is ticking. I think a month to go. A
Speaker 6: month is a long time, okay, Like like, there are
Speaker 6: a lot of injuries you can come back from in
Speaker 6: a month.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 6: The difference here is that this is a long term thing,
Speaker 6: so it's harder to gauge, right. I mean, if you
Speaker 6: if you spraying an ankle, they're going to tell you, you know,
Speaker 6: two to four weeks or something, right, you can narrow
Speaker 6: it down a little bit because it's not a severe
Speaker 6: in injury. This is a surgery that required many months
Speaker 6: of recovery, so it's harder to pin down the recovery timeline.
Speaker 6: He's he is coming up on five months, and it
Speaker 6: was a four to six month recovery. If he takes
Speaker 6: six months, well damn it, they're in trouble, okay, because
Speaker 6: that takes you in the week one. If he can
Speaker 6: do five and a half months. They can probably figure
Speaker 6: this out, but it really just boils down to how
Speaker 6: close he is. They say he's close, What does close mean?
Speaker 6: You know what I mean, when we're talking about a
Speaker 6: six month deal? What does close mean? Does close mean
Speaker 6: next week? Does it mean next month? That's the thing
Speaker 6: that's really hard to really determine right.
Speaker 2: Now, tes Stevenholder of ESPN, ESPN dot Com colts. Of course,
Speaker 2: a couple of days off, get back at at the
Speaker 2: joint practices with the Falcons leading up to Saturday and
Speaker 2: that matchup preseason Game two with the Falcons at Lucas
Speaker 2: Oil Stadium. So I get the sense that they didn't
Speaker 2: like any of the guys at wide receiver they brought
Speaker 2: in so far. Is that true?
Speaker 6: It would appear, I think, Listen, they would have to
Speaker 6: not only be a better option than what they have,
Speaker 6: but also be equipped to quickly pick up the system
Speaker 6: and be comfortable in it and productive in it. And
Speaker 6: that's a lot to ask, you know, for guys that
Speaker 6: are just kind of guys, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: And so excuse me, I didn't anticipate they would make
Speaker 6: a move there, but I think they've They've had a
Speaker 6: couple of guys get banged up and they know, you
Speaker 6: know that they have to be ready to make a
Speaker 6: move if called upon, just for for depth purposes. So, uh,
Speaker 6: that's what I think you're seeing there. You're also seeing
Speaker 6: maybe a reaction to the preseason and and maybe guys
Speaker 6: who did or did not make enough plays in camp
Speaker 6: in this first preseason game, and so you've got to
Speaker 6: consider your options even when it comes to the practice squad.
Speaker 6: So you just you just need to know what's out there.
Speaker 6: So I think that's what that was. And I would
Speaker 6: lastly just say, Keenan Allen, I haven't turned the page
Speaker 6: on that yet, so I would say keep that book
Speaker 6: open into the side, so I don't.
Speaker 2: And with that in mind, obviously he's a guy that
Speaker 2: has has done a lot and we've seen that he's
Speaker 2: got that on his resume. Is this coming down to
Speaker 2: a dude that doesn't need this this layer, this level
Speaker 2: of training camp? Is it something monetarily they're trying to
Speaker 2: side step until the start of the season. Are they unsure?
Speaker 2: Why would that not? Because to me, I view this
Speaker 2: category as something you're going to have to do, you
Speaker 2: need to do now, it's going to have to happen
Speaker 2: at that position sooner rather than later. Why has there
Speaker 2: not been any interest and or any sort of movement
Speaker 2: regarding Keenan Allen. Why would that make sense?
Speaker 6: Well, I wouldn't say there's been no interest there. They
Speaker 6: definitely have talked, that's for sure. Now, why hasn't it happened?
Speaker 3: Certainly? Right?
Speaker 6: A fair question. I would say what you said earlier
Speaker 6: about there being a feeling that maybe he doesn't need
Speaker 6: a full training camp. I think that's probably accurate. I
Speaker 6: don't know how the Colts feel about it, but it
Speaker 6: does appear that Keenan Allen feels that way. I would think, so,
Speaker 6: you know, we'll see what happens. I think I think
Speaker 6: that that is a position that just about everybody involved
Speaker 6: feels that way to some degree. Right, that we can
Speaker 6: we can do this right before the season and it
Speaker 6: could still work. That doesn't mean they're going to do it.
Speaker 6: I don't know. All I'm saying is I think his
Speaker 6: absence in training camp is not a disincentive to sign him.
Speaker 6: Does that make sense? Yeah, it could still happen, for sure,
Speaker 6: but again, consistent evaluation going on there. I don't know
Speaker 6: how long they want to keep evaluating I think this
Speaker 6: is your last week of evaluation, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I thought there was something monetarily involved too, if they
Speaker 2: were apparent the roster this way, that you have to
Speaker 2: pay more money than you would if they weren't a pont.
Speaker 6: No, I don't think. I don't think money's a factor here,
Speaker 6: Not to my knowledge, I don't think money is a factor.
Speaker 6: I just think it's about, you know, does he want
Speaker 6: to do it? You know, do the Colts definitely want
Speaker 6: to go down this road? You know, those kinds of things.
Speaker 6: I would just say, though, you know, they talk about
Speaker 6: wanting to take a look a longer look at this
Speaker 6: wide receiver group personally, as I just said, I think
Speaker 6: this is the last week for really looking at these guys.
Speaker 6: I'm not saying like next week doesn't matter at all,
Speaker 6: but it certainly matters a lot less. You got two
Speaker 6: joint practices against the Falcons, like you're going to see
Speaker 6: these guys go up against first team defenders from another team,
Speaker 6: and then the preseason game. You won't get starters there,
Speaker 6: You'll have the backups play. Next week. You might get
Speaker 6: a little bit of a dress rehearsal, but I mean,
Speaker 6: at this point, coming out of this weekend, You've got
Speaker 6: to know most of your fifty three. I feel like,
Speaker 6: So that's kind of where I'm at with it.
Speaker 1: What do you think Anthony Richardson Senior would ever have.
Speaker 2: To do to change the notion of his head coach?
Speaker 2: Because obviously in yeah, I don't blame him because that's
Speaker 2: what you witnessed as the coach. But what would he
Speaker 2: have to do or do something consistently to change the
Speaker 2: notion that the head coach has on him right now
Speaker 2: just in general of his quarterback?
Speaker 6: Well, he for now he I think he's doing the
Speaker 6: only thing he can do right now, which is just
Speaker 6: you know, show show something I thought he did. I
Speaker 6: really liked what he did in the preseason game. I
Speaker 6: mean there's always going to be some Anthony Richard Richardson isms, Okay,
Speaker 6: in every game he plays, even when he plays well, right,
Speaker 6: and so the fumble, it's like, all right, man, you
Speaker 6: did so much good, you know, and still you managed
Speaker 6: to to kind of get yourself a little bit of
Speaker 6: you know, a demerit if you will. So I just
Speaker 6: think he's doing the only thing he can do, which
Speaker 6: is to kind of put some points on the board,
Speaker 6: you know, and figuratively and you know literally right, and
Speaker 6: and I think in a bigger sense, the answer to
Speaker 6: your question is, if he's falled upon this year, he
Speaker 6: has to come through. Really, this is really that simple.
Speaker 6: If he's called upon to play this year, and god knows,
Speaker 6: the odds are in favor of it happening, right, Okay,
Speaker 6: can we just like just go ahead and say it, right,
Speaker 6: the odds are in favor of it happening. Daniel Jones
Speaker 6: injury history is ugly. It's ugly, and I and I
Speaker 6: think the world of Daniel Jones, but we got to
Speaker 6: call it what it is, right this the guy rarely
Speaker 6: plays a full season. So if and when Anthony Richardson
Speaker 6: has called upon and they haven't named in the number
Speaker 6: two quarterback, but when that happens and he's called upon
Speaker 6: the play, he has to come through. And I think
Speaker 6: that is how you begin to change the narrative both
Speaker 6: outside the building and inside the building with your own coach.
Speaker 2: So Steven and it was Rick Venturi brought this up
Speaker 2: on the pregame huddle and we kind of got into it,
Speaker 2: not got into it, but we got into this subject
Speaker 2: matter because he had thought Richardson he would like to
Speaker 2: see him be utilized in a bit of the form
Speaker 2: of a Hill has with the Saints. And I've often
Speaker 2: wondered this too, and I thought Rick made a good
Speaker 2: point as to why you you have this type of talent,
Speaker 2: but obviously you have a lot of things that have
Speaker 2: held him back from being that starter as we have witnessed.
Speaker 2: And you have the the king of gamesmanship as a
Speaker 2: coach in Gadgetry as an offensive coach. Why has he
Speaker 2: not been utilized or why could he not be or
Speaker 2: why does there not seem to be any interest in
Speaker 2: Richardson Senior being utilized in that capacity?
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I had this this very conversation with Rick,
Speaker 6: and I tend to agree with him. I think that
Speaker 6: if he's going to be on your roster, and you,
Speaker 6: by now, if you're the Colts, you've paid him. I think, like,
Speaker 6: I don't remember the number, but it's like almost thirty
Speaker 6: million dollars, right, So what are we doing? You know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, like, let's get something out of it? Right,
Speaker 6: So I'm totally in favor of that. I think he
Speaker 6: not only could do it, but I think he would
Speaker 6: add a wrinkle that teams have to prepare for, and
Speaker 6: Shane loves that kind of thing. I also think that
Speaker 6: when Richardson is on the field, the difference it makes
Speaker 6: for Jonathan Taylor is huge. Now, Jonathan Taylor had a
Speaker 6: great season last year without Anthony Richardson, So I'm not
Speaker 6: saying that his success depends on this. But think about
Speaker 6: short yardage situations. You get into a you know, and
Speaker 6: this is where Shane loves to push the envelope and
Speaker 6: at least show that he's going to go for it
Speaker 6: right on fourth downs. You think about a fourth down
Speaker 6: situation where third and short situation, you bring Anthony Richardson
Speaker 6: into the game, you got Jonathan Taylor behind him, it's
Speaker 6: third and short. If I'm the defense, this could be
Speaker 6: read option, This could be just a straight you know,
Speaker 6: running back dive. This could be I mean, it could
Speaker 6: be anything, right and so, I mean he could roll
Speaker 6: out and and throw it. You could talk about, you know,
Speaker 6: putting the defense on its heels. I think that has
Speaker 6: a lot of potential and it's got to be something
Speaker 6: there at least thinking about you would think.
Speaker 2: Well, he runs all that gadgetary with Tyler Warren. I
Speaker 2: just he just he seems to me like he's the
Speaker 2: king of that stuff. Yeah, I thought maybe you would
Speaker 2: utilize it. It just doesn't seem like he has has
Speaker 2: any interest whatsoever in doing that.
Speaker 6: With Richardson so far hasn't been the case. I would say,
Speaker 6: you saw it back with Jacoby Brissette when Andrew luck
Speaker 6: got healthy. You saw Frank Reich find ways to utilize
Speaker 6: Jacoby Brissette, who, by the way, is probably like twenty
Speaker 6: percent the athlete that Anthony Richardson is. Okay, and I
Speaker 6: love Jacoby, but like, let's be honest, right, Jacoby was
Speaker 6: big and powerful, and he was good at the QB
Speaker 6: sneaks and that kind of thing. But the potential and
Speaker 6: the possibilities with Anthony Richardson in those situations are far
Speaker 6: greater than they were with Jacobe Brissett, and they used
Speaker 6: that option I thought, you know, pretty regularly. So different
Speaker 6: coaching staff obviously, but I'm just saying, as a point
Speaker 6: of comparison, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: What is up with the Charvarius ward Back situation?
Speaker 6: Oh God, hopefully not much. No one's given a lot
Speaker 6: of clarity about it, which is I'm not saying, yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm not saying like he's he's done I have no idea,
Speaker 6: but I would love somebody to be like, hey, you know,
Speaker 6: call off the dogs. He's okay, this is not serious.
Speaker 6: And I just wish someone would say that, and they
Speaker 6: have not so far. It's just that, you know, we're
Speaker 6: monitoring him, we're evaluating him now, you know, Devil's advocate, Okay,
Speaker 6: he is so important to this whole thing, and and
Speaker 6: I think his situation is so delicate right after last year.
Speaker 6: Yes that if he's got a broken nail, he's not
Speaker 6: going to be out there, right. I mean, you have
Speaker 6: to assume that even if he's ninety five percent and
Speaker 6: we're a month out from the season, you probably tell
Speaker 6: him take a couple more days, big guy, you know,
Speaker 6: So I understand being I would be, I would be
Speaker 6: in favor of being unbelievably cautious, overly cautious with him.
Speaker 6: That being said, I just would like to have some
Speaker 6: peace of mind, or hear some peace of mind that
Speaker 6: this is not going to be a long term thing.
Speaker 6: I mean, he is a thirty year old corner and
Speaker 6: you know that's when things start to crop up and
Speaker 6: they don't heal us quickly and so age it's not
Speaker 6: on the concussions, but also age is something we can't
Speaker 6: completely overlook there as well.
Speaker 2: The one thing that concerns me more than anything else,
Speaker 2: and it is completely understandable, is what he has been
Speaker 2: through and the fact that he had, according to him
Speaker 2: for a various ward, he had a foot out the door.
Speaker 2: He had a foot into retirement. That is always a
Speaker 2: concern because it has often been said and measured that
Speaker 2: if you've had a foot in retirement, then your entire
Speaker 2: body is and it makes it easier to make that
Speaker 2: decision the next time it swings around that that among
Speaker 2: just what he has gone through, and again understandably so
Speaker 2: is one of my major concerns.
Speaker 6: I mean, look, I don't know, I think you're being
Speaker 6: a little dramatic. I mean, have you ever seen a
Speaker 6: guy retire in training camp?
Speaker 2: I well, too soon? Yeah, thanks, thanks, yeah.
Speaker 6: But no, I mean I get it, and I'm not
Speaker 6: to be flipping about you know, Mooney's situation certainly, like
Speaker 6: I mean, a tragic situation two years ago with his daughter,
Speaker 6: But you know, I think this is that's that's still
Speaker 6: a factor. But this is also I think his his
Speaker 6: circumstances right now are mostly about like do you still
Speaker 6: want to do this? Do you still love this? And
Speaker 6: and the thought of walking away from it apparently reinforced
Speaker 6: to him that he does. And I was heartened the
Speaker 6: last time I talked to him, the way he talked about,
Speaker 6: you know, his his appreciation and his zeal for being
Speaker 6: out there. It made me feel like, all right, he's
Speaker 6: really into this now, right. And and he mentioned how,
Speaker 6: you know, when he started his offseason workouts on his own,
Speaker 6: his private workouts, how you know, he was working out
Speaker 6: with other NFL players and younger players and running circles
Speaker 6: around him.
Speaker 3: And I believe him.
Speaker 6: You know, he looks good out there when he's healthy,
Speaker 6: and so he really got sort of like energized by that.
Speaker 6: So he mentally he has been in a really good place. Okay,
Speaker 6: but you know, those these little things, these little setbacks,
Speaker 6: you know, they're they're not good for for that mental state,
Speaker 6: you would imagine, you know, So hopefully nothing serious.
Speaker 2: Stephen Holder of esp and ESPN dot Com Talking Colts
Speaker 2: will be up at Droplight at Grant Park, Westfield coming
Speaker 2: up on Thursday for this show, and DeForest Buckner will
Speaker 2: join us. This question is not about Deforce Buckner, however,
Speaker 2: it is about defensive line and Kayden Curry. I'm biased.
Speaker 2: I want to see him and I want to see
Speaker 2: him thrive. I was really excited the way that he played.
Speaker 2: And the one thing Stephen that I brought up is
Speaker 2: in comparison to that of Fernando Mendoza, they both in
Speaker 2: situations look like they did when they played at the
Speaker 2: highest levels in college. What was the colt's impression on
Speaker 2: the debut of Curry from what you've heard, Well, I.
Speaker 6: Mean, I think that's a huge step for him, right,
Speaker 6: And you know, the question for Curry, I think was
Speaker 6: he is he quick enough and and sort of you know,
Speaker 6: athletic enough to win on the edge. And then the
Speaker 6: other question was if you move him inside, is he
Speaker 6: big enough and strong enough to win in there? And
Speaker 6: you know, he ends up a lot or guys like him,
Speaker 6: they end up being a tweener, right, which is you know,
Speaker 6: you know, no one wants to ever be there, right.
Speaker 6: But I think what he did was he at least
Speaker 6: demonstrated that, like there's a role that he could potentially fill,
Speaker 6: and it's it's a third down pass rush role. And
Speaker 6: if you can achieve that, now he's still not there, right,
Speaker 6: He's got to do it against you know, the second
Speaker 6: the first and second deef excuse me, first and second offenses.
Speaker 6: He's kind of mostly been second team, third team so far.
Speaker 6: But if he if he can show that he warrants
Speaker 6: some opportunity against better competition, and then he does it
Speaker 6: again against that better competition, well, now you're cooking with gas.
Speaker 6: So I think that, to me is the question, and
Speaker 6: that has to be the next step. If you're the Colts,
Speaker 6: now you've got to find out. Okay, he did it
Speaker 6: against those backup, well, give him a chance, right, Let's
Speaker 6: see if he can go do it against the big boys,
Speaker 6: and that's going to be the next step in the
Speaker 6: progression for him. But I think you it gave them
Speaker 6: a vision for what he can be and what he
Speaker 6: can do, because you know, we talk a lot about
Speaker 6: what guys can't do good coaches, and Shane has I
Speaker 6: talked to him about this. He's like, you know, good
Speaker 6: coaching is finding out what someone can do, which you know, frankly,
Speaker 6: that kind of relates back to the Anthony Richardson conversation.
Speaker 6: I suppose, right, But anyhow, I digress, But I think
Speaker 6: that's what they got to do here. I love the
Speaker 6: idea of getting him more reps against better competition, and
Speaker 6: let's see if he can do it. If he can't
Speaker 6: do it, maybe he goes to the practice squad and
Speaker 6: we try again next year. Right, but let him try.
Speaker 6: And they need it, They need all the contributions they
Speaker 6: can get up front right now.
Speaker 2: So, Steven Older of ESPN and ESPN dot com, I
Speaker 2: will see you up at drop Light Grand Park coming
Speaker 2: up on Thursday. Man, thanks as always for hopping on here.
Speaker 6: All right, you got it, Stephen Holder
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