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<v Speaker 1>The ride with JMV.

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<v Speaker 2>I tell you Wally would be the only character in

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<v Speaker 2>Mayfield High with ant FM.

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<v Speaker 3>Radio in his guard Point FM.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really Nate that he three five and one oh

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<v Speaker 2>seven five the fan. Hi walk you back, Yeah, Tony Cassan,

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<v Speaker 2>I this morning talking Coats might have saw Carl Showbiz

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<v Speaker 2>put that bad boy up there.

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<v Speaker 1>You know it was interesting too.

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<v Speaker 2>I brought up the passing at the age of eighty

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<v Speaker 2>three of the legendary Tommy John. Mark Boyle, the voice

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<v Speaker 2>of the Pacers, sent this out talking about because Tommy

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<v Speaker 2>John was at Gertzmeyer but played at Gertzmeyer and Tara

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<v Speaker 2>HOAt after Slick Leonard.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there, and Mark had sent me this.

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<v Speaker 2>Slick once told me that when he played high school

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<v Speaker 2>basketball at Tara HOAt very young, Tommy John was the

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<v Speaker 2>team mascot. That is true Tommy John. Because somebody he

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<v Speaker 2>had just asked me on the text line if Slick

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<v Speaker 2>Leonard and Tommy John played on the same high school

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<v Speaker 2>team in tarret Hate, and they did not. Tommy was

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<v Speaker 2>younger than Slick, And as Mark Boyle had said to

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<v Speaker 2>me a little bit earlier on X, Tommy John was

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<v Speaker 2>younger and was the mascot. But Tommy John was an

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<v Speaker 2>exceptional basketball player, and as I mentioned, and this was

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<v Speaker 2>courtesy of my good friend John Callahan down in Bloomington

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<v Speaker 2>who grew up in Bedford. In nineteen sixty one, Tommy

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<v Speaker 2>John put up forty seven against Bedford High School, losing

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<v Speaker 2>to Bedford, but also being recruited at the time by

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<v Speaker 2>Kentucky and Adolph Rupp, and Tommy John obviously decided to

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<v Speaker 2>play professional baseball. And then everything for everybody changed in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy four with the invention and the pioneering with

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Frank job and Tommy John surgery. Fairly unbelievable, is

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<v Speaker 2>what it is, the late great Tommy John. And you

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<v Speaker 2>guys were asking when he was on the show, he

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<v Speaker 2>was on the show. I want to say five years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>I also believe if you remember, it was that time

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<v Speaker 2>when there was no sports going on and we're in COVID,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was in the spring of twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Just exceptional stuff back then.

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<v Speaker 2>And we were sad to see Tommy John pass away

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<v Speaker 2>that that was announced at the age of eighty three

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<v Speaker 2>over the weekend, and how much of the Colts not

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<v Speaker 2>signing a wide receiver is because ownership is cheap.

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<v Speaker 1>I would not like to think in that fashion.

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to think that it's more of just

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<v Speaker 2>the thought process of those that are putting together the team.

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<v Speaker 2>I would also like to think that maybe if your

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<v Speaker 2>for example, everybody's focus has been on Keenan Allen and

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<v Speaker 2>who knows. I saw over the weekend where they brought

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<v Speaker 2>in what's the guy's name, equanomous, Saint Brown it's a

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<v Speaker 2>Monro's yes, and the one that's not that good, that

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<v Speaker 2>Saint Brown, that's not that good. Josh Reynolds I think

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<v Speaker 2>was another one if I remember him correctly. Once upon

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<v Speaker 2>a time he put up his best numbers. Was it

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<v Speaker 2>Tampa with the Buccaneers for rentals?

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<v Speaker 4>I think it was.

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<v Speaker 2>In Detroit. So they brought in three wide receivers. And

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<v Speaker 2>who knows. They may not be thinking about like the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the world is thinking about with Keenan Allen.

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<v Speaker 2>But Keenan Allen may be saying, I've been doing this

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<v Speaker 2>for a long time. I don't need to prove myself

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<v Speaker 2>and Jackie Brown with the early to middle stages of

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<v Speaker 2>training camp.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I know that's what you.

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<v Speaker 2>But and there's also I know financial and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know why finances would even play a role right here,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are financial situations that you can concidestep two.

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<v Speaker 2>The longer that you wait in this it would just

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<v Speaker 2>to me, regardless of your thought you need one anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Kass brought up to me this morning, well are

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<v Speaker 2>they going to keep an extra tight end? Is that

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<v Speaker 2>extra tight end going to be will Mallory?

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<v Speaker 1>That to me doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 2>The wide receiver position is beyond premium and you look

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<v Speaker 2>at it right now. Nothing against those dudes, But is

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<v Speaker 2>there a worse wide receiving group? Especially with Pierce in

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<v Speaker 2>the situation and which he's in, it doesn't sound like

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden he's going to hop back up

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<v Speaker 2>and be good.

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<v Speaker 1>To go even for week number one.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there a wide receiving group in the NFL that

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<v Speaker 2>we would consider just buy eyeballing right now, worse than

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<v Speaker 2>the one that the Colts have anybody. I'm not trying

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<v Speaker 2>to be a jackass about it, but the truth is

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<v Speaker 2>is there. You have to find somebody else, and you

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<v Speaker 2>have to find somebody else that is significant.

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<v Speaker 1>There's certainly more significant than what you have.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, they see and they know. But I also

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<v Speaker 2>know this. And this is not me trying to be

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<v Speaker 2>again at jackass. But how many times in the past

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<v Speaker 2>have we or you as a fan been accurate and

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<v Speaker 2>it not worked out for the organization. They have long

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<v Speaker 2>since lost the trust of well, we're around this all

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<v Speaker 2>the time. We're much smarter than you, guys. Sometimes you

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<v Speaker 2>haven't been. It's just you ask anybody, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>what they need. And I would like to say it

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<v Speaker 2>seems obvious, but it more than just seems obvious, It

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<v Speaker 2>is obvious.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to a yes practice.

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<v Speaker 4>On Saturday, John I went up to park and drop

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<v Speaker 4>light Graham Pike, excuse me, and I went up there

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<v Speaker 4>and there was a play in the corner of the

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<v Speaker 4>end zone. Daniel threw it to Josh Downs.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Town's what.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't remember who the corner was that he went

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<v Speaker 4>up with, but like a jump ball in the corner

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<v Speaker 4>of the end zone and they kind of got physical,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think it was supposed to just kind of

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<v Speaker 4>be a light practice there on Saturday, and the corner

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<v Speaker 4>landed on Josh Downs's ankle and he was limping off,

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<v Speaker 4>and in that moment, I'm thinking to myself like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>Alec Pearce isn't practicing Josh downs?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it so?

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<v Speaker 4>And it just takes you to like, Okay, if we

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<v Speaker 4>get to September and October when these games star mattering

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<v Speaker 4>and plays like that are happening ten times a Sundanes

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<v Speaker 4>are what is going to happen here.

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<v Speaker 2>To a team that historically and notoriously is consistently compromised

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<v Speaker 2>due to Angelina. Yeah, that's not lost on anybody right now,

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<v Speaker 2>and especially financially. It would seem to me that you

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<v Speaker 2>would be knowing what you know. And there are half

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<v Speaker 2>twos across the board this year. I mean, the lay

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<v Speaker 2>of the land has been presented, there are half twos

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<v Speaker 2>levels in which you must reach this season. Why you

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<v Speaker 2>would not go all in? I heard before Kevin and

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<v Speaker 2>James came on this morning. I heard whatever ESPN morning

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<v Speaker 2>show programming that is talk about how, hey, the cults

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<v Speaker 2>are all in really in what capacity? Only because Carly

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<v Speaker 2>Orsay Gordon has said that. But does it appear to

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<v Speaker 2>you as if they are. Does it appear to you

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<v Speaker 2>with the work that they have done and the off

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<v Speaker 2>season that they are You had to have a quarterback,

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<v Speaker 2>so you got to bring back Daniel Jones because you

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<v Speaker 2>don't believe in any of the other two at that level.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you brought back your best wide receiver. Now you

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<v Speaker 2>let your other wide receiver, you know, go. You had

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<v Speaker 2>to give them up to Pittsburgh. And you know, obviously

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see because a lot of people suggest Michael Pittman

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<v Speaker 2>Junior didn't produce at the level in which he was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be paid. So that was something you had

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<v Speaker 2>to compromise. But as I've always said, at the very

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<v Speaker 2>least he was somebody go all right, Michael Pittman Jr.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to account for that guy who you're accounting

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<v Speaker 2>for here. You look around the NFL, is there a

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<v Speaker 2>team that has a worse or and it's just eyeballing

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<v Speaker 2>it a worse by the eyeball test wide receiving situation

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<v Speaker 2>than the Colts right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And then.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I saw the video that James put out

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<v Speaker 2>from Shane Steichen talking about Alec Pierce.

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<v Speaker 1>Ali Peer's gonna be good to go for week number one.

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<v Speaker 1>You count on that.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't seem like it's all in, as that morning

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<v Speaker 2>show proclaimed all in, They're all in. Well you're all

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<v Speaker 2>in because that's what your owner says, but it's not

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<v Speaker 2>like the actions have dictated. Yeah, this is a have

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<v Speaker 2>to quick when we'll come back. If you're on hold,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get to your Top of the Hour, Ted Bishop's

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<v Speaker 2>going to join us. I mentioned tomorrow Rick Venturi and

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<v Speaker 2>Charles R. Buckle on the show along with Greg Rakestraw.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a preseason game two on Saturday to Tales

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<v Speaker 2>coming up. For that, We're going to be live on

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<v Speaker 2>Thursday at Colt's Camp, drop Light Grand Park, Westfield. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the joint gatherings with the Atlanta Falcons. DeForrest Buckner joins

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<v Speaker 2>us coming up on Thursday too. Meantime, Ted Bishop, Top

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<v Speaker 2>of the Hour, The life of one great left handed pitcher,

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<v Speaker 2>Tommy John from Taro, Indiana. Ted Bishop, about that four

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock hour, Stephen Holder, more on the Colts and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the things I'm talking about right now, five

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock hour. This is ninety three five one oh seven

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<v Speaker 2>five the fan meantime of the Endymore Automotive Group Hotline.

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<v Speaker 2>He is the former PGA of America Prez and he

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<v Speaker 2>is presently and still the awesome pro down at the

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<v Speaker 2>Legends in Franklin. He is a friend of the show.

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<v Speaker 2>He is Ted Bishop, who joins us. Now, Hello, Ted,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you pal?

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<v Speaker 3>And good GMB.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to ask you, is this the final hurrah

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<v Speaker 2>for live golf this weekend here?

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<v Speaker 5>I think it very well could be. It'll be interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>Supposedly they've got some kind of source of funding, but

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<v Speaker 5>we'll see.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of wondered that this is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>because they put a lot more money into this event,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's got people wondering if maybe this is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be it after that particular Westfield event this week.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, honestly, I'm even kind of surprised that this

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<v Speaker 5>event's taken place.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, did you have questions leading up to it whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not it was going to happen?

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<v Speaker 3>I did.

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<v Speaker 5>I would if you would have asked me a month ago,

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<v Speaker 5>I would have said, it's probably not going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>What are the biggest issues with this from what you see?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I think that there has not been really a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of fan interest relative to the amount of money

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<v Speaker 5>that's involved in the person I think the formats have been,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, a real issue. I just I don't know

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<v Speaker 5>for me personally, I haven't seen one shot of live golf, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, living either to watch. I don't even know where

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<v Speaker 1>to find it, to be honest with I don't know where.

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<v Speaker 2>To find it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>And Tim, Yeah, And the other thing is it seems

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<v Speaker 2>like that they wanted to go all in on this

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<v Speaker 2>like happy Gilmore form of golf that yeah, didn't go

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<v Speaker 2>off in any interest whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 5>Now And I think that really one of the fundamental

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<v Speaker 5>problems that you have, and this is true even with

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<v Speaker 5>the PGA Tour right now, John, is that so many

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<v Speaker 5>people would rather play golf than watch it on TV.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's the first time in a long time, and

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<v Speaker 5>we've talked about that before.

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<v Speaker 3>That that's been the case.

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<v Speaker 5>But people would rather be recreating than spectating.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what's weird about that is if there is

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<v Speaker 2>any sport out there that can take advantage of the

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<v Speaker 2>just incredible technology that we have that we have seen

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<v Speaker 2>implemented on all forms, especially football, would be that of

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<v Speaker 2>golf because they can bring that right into your living room.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet still it's such a long time consuming event. It's

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<v Speaker 2>rough to get people to hang around for the required time.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it is.

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<v Speaker 5>And I remember back when I was doing a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of things with golf. There would be occasionally somebody would

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<v Speaker 5>say that and watch on golf on TV because it

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<v Speaker 5>was like watching somebody fish And honestly, how what it

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<v Speaker 5>does for me right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Like Da, Well, what do you think golf needs? Like

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<v Speaker 2>in general? A rejuvenation of sorts?

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<v Speaker 3>Here?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there anything you have in your mind?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 3>I think they need star power.

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<v Speaker 5>And in all due respect to Scheffler, he's a great player.

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<v Speaker 5>He's the best player out there right now. But they

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<v Speaker 5>need star power like they had with Tiger Woods, Arnold

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<v Speaker 5>Palmer and Jack Nicklas, so on and so forth. And

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<v Speaker 5>I just I don't think that that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to happen in our lifetime.

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<v Speaker 5>So it's going to be interesting to see what happens

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<v Speaker 5>going forward.

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<v Speaker 2>It is incredible to see whom is selected to be

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<v Speaker 2>that star power. Ten I'll give you a great example.

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<v Speaker 2>So Friday, I'm at Pivot Bar and balcony. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have child because this is after the show. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have time to say this. I haven't said it yet,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is before the feat and the Wings played

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<v Speaker 2>and we were giving away with Hurst and Lamontes the

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<v Speaker 2>law firm. Here we're giving away gas cards for those

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<v Speaker 2>that came the furthest away ted on the balcony alone

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<v Speaker 2>listening to this show. We had people that are there

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<v Speaker 2>from New Jersey, Florida, Boston and this is just all

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<v Speaker 2>of the balcony next to us, Philadelphia, Chicago, and we

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<v Speaker 2>had a dude and his wife and the guy was

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<v Speaker 2>a mountain climber slash prosecutor in Fairbanks, Alaska, and he

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<v Speaker 2>had come all the way here to see that. So

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<v Speaker 2>the Fever reach and I guess who the general public

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<v Speaker 2>decide to be those that what you're talking about, those

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<v Speaker 2>maidenline folks. It is incredible, but clearly Caitlin Clark and

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<v Speaker 2>the Fever would be that by what I discovered on Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew that it was popular. I had no idea

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<v Speaker 2>that people came. You know, we had a Twin Falls, Idaho,

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<v Speaker 2>had no idea people came from that far out to

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<v Speaker 2>witness that. And that's kind of what you're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>in the form of golf right here.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what, I'll say A funny story that you

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<v Speaker 5>mentioned that for the August sixth game.

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<v Speaker 3>Barry Hyde, who works for the Washerman Agency in New York.

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<v Speaker 3>He's Tom Watson's agent.

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<v Speaker 5>He reached out to me to see if there was

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<v Speaker 5>any way that I could get him two Fever tickets

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<v Speaker 5>for that game. Now here's a guy that with Washerman

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<v Speaker 5>Sports who can get tickets for anything. But he had

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<v Speaker 5>he had a niece and a nephew that were going

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<v Speaker 5>to be in Indianapolis, and I reached out they are

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<v Speaker 5>a good friend, Susie Fisher, and got him the tickets.

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<v Speaker 5>But they came from New York City to see this

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<v Speaker 5>Fever game because they wanted to see Caitlin Clark.

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<v Speaker 2>It's seriously, I've seen very few things like it now. Honestly, Ted,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew that it was that big, but I had

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<v Speaker 2>no idea just those people for a random Friday game.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you had Paige Becker's on the other side too,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was absolutely incredible. The links in which these

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<v Speaker 2>people came and drove in or flew in to get

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<v Speaker 2>to that game, absolutely incredible, no doubt. Hey, by the way, too,

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned Susie. We got to mention, don did you

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<v Speaker 2>see over the weekend are living a legend going into

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<v Speaker 2>the Indiana the Indiana Historical Society. I saw that the

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<v Speaker 2>Historical Society gave him an award.

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<v Speaker 1>He was all.

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<v Speaker 2>Tuxedoed up and everything going back to Friday.

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<v Speaker 5>No, I actually I forgot all about that. I do

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<v Speaker 5>remember when the announcement came out and I told him,

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<v Speaker 5>I said, you know, you really reached a milestone of

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<v Speaker 5>age when you're getting read by the Indiana Storical Society.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, Ted, you know what really pisses I

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<v Speaker 2>tell him this all the time too, I said, it

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<v Speaker 2>really pisses me off because he looks he looks like

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<v Speaker 2>he hasn't aged a year.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's all tuxedo and a pier and looking great

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<v Speaker 2>right now. And he's got Peyton Manning Larry Bird to

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<v Speaker 2>Mika Catching's Bill Poleon. You know, among those that are

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<v Speaker 2>a part of the living, living legend of Indiana by

0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:25.719
<v Speaker 2>the Indiana Historical Society, that is one hell of an

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<v Speaker 2>honor right there.

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<v Speaker 3>For Don Well, he is truly a living legend.

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<v Speaker 5>And as you know, and everybody that knows youre pare

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<v Speaker 5>at the legends. He's he's known for being an extremely

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<v Speaker 5>nice guy. On top of being the.

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<v Speaker 2>Voice, yeah yeah, he also he also buys all the

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<v Speaker 2>beer for me at our table on Friday nights, which

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<v Speaker 2>is really nice. I appreciate that too, Ted Bishop, who

0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:50.680
<v Speaker 2>is down legends. The reason why I want to bring

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<v Speaker 2>you on is, if I remember correctly, it was over COVID,

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<v Speaker 2>there was no sports going on, and you put now

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<v Speaker 2>the late Tommy John on with me. He was an

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<v Speaker 2>incredible conversation the first time he'd ever been on this show.

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<v Speaker 2>And from Tera Hot, Indiana, I know that you were

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<v Speaker 2>really close to him. He passed away over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>What's Tommy John and his legend mean to you, Ted.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I want to go back to the first time

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<v Speaker 5>I met him, John, and it was in nineteen seventy eight.

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<v Speaker 5>I was doing some moonlighting work for the Lynton Daily

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<v Speaker 5>Citizen on the side when I was running the golf

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<v Speaker 5>course down there, and the legendary Tom Wreck at the

0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:36.879
<v Speaker 5>Terretoe Tribune Star got me set up to do an

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<v Speaker 5>interview with Tommy John when the Dodgers were in Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 5>the last week of the season before the playoffs started,

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<v Speaker 5>and obviously the Dodgers were going to go to the

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<v Speaker 5>postseason and go to the World Series. So I had

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<v Speaker 5>never met Tommy John, but I went down there at

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<v Speaker 5>the age of twenty four, and after the game was

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<v Speaker 5>over with went into the Dodger clubhouse and Tommy was

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<v Speaker 5>stark naked in a whirlpool drinking a glass of red wine.

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<v Speaker 5>And the clubhouse guy took me over and did the introductions,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, I did this interview with him. And

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<v Speaker 5>while we were doing the interview, Bill Russell, the Dodger shortstop,

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<v Speaker 5>came over and John had evidently been in the whirlpool

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<v Speaker 5>for a while and he said, Tommy, gets your ass

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<v Speaker 5>out of there. He said, you know, it's my time,

0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:29.679
<v Speaker 5>and Tommy looked up at him and he grinned and

0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:32.439
<v Speaker 5>he said, Russ. He said, I'm going to finish talking

0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:34.880
<v Speaker 5>to my friend Ted here, who he'd never met before,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm going to finish this glass of wine. And

0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:39.000
<v Speaker 5>he said when that's done, he said.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all yours.

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<v Speaker 5>And it was a few years later when he retired.

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<v Speaker 5>He called me at the golf course in Lynton and

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<v Speaker 5>he asked me if he could play in the Phil

0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:54.879
<v Speaker 5>Harris Tournament. And I said, are you kidding? Absolutely, and

0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:58.400
<v Speaker 5>he said, well, there's one condition. He said, I want

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<v Speaker 5>to bring my dad. And he said I want to

0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:03.080
<v Speaker 5>play with my dad. And I said, well that's that's

0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:05.520
<v Speaker 5>an easy ass, so you can definitely do that, So

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know. For the next eight or nine years

0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:12.879
<v Speaker 5>that I ran that tournament, he came to Winton and

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<v Speaker 5>he played with his dad every year, and he was

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<v Speaker 5>here for our grand opening at the Legends. Bob Lamey,

0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:25.480
<v Speaker 5>the great announcer for the Colts, was a huge Yankees

0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:28.720
<v Speaker 5>fan like I am, and he wanted spring training tickets

0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:31.920
<v Speaker 5>one year, which are impossible to get at Legends Field.

0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:35.919
<v Speaker 5>So I called Tommy. Tommy got Bob the this, you know,

0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:39.240
<v Speaker 5>the spring season tickets. I mean, he was he was

0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:42.280
<v Speaker 5>a great friend. And I thought the the statement that

0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:46.320
<v Speaker 5>the Yankees released last week where he was quoted as

0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:49.520
<v Speaker 5>saying that his dad had said something to him like,

0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:52.159
<v Speaker 5>you know when it Saul said and done, You're just

0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:55.879
<v Speaker 5>going to be Tommy Jones from Tarahoe, Indiana, and and

0:21:56.359 --> 0:21:59.560
<v Speaker 5>he never really lost sight of that. And I mean

0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:01.840
<v Speaker 5>he had a tremendous career. I mean, you know that

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<v Speaker 5>as well as I do. Should be in the Hall

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<v Speaker 5>of Fame, without question.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I completely agree, Ted Bishop with the life and

0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:11.840
<v Speaker 2>knowing Tommy John who passed away at the age of

0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:15.480
<v Speaker 2>eighty three this weekend. Ted's on the Andy Moore Automotive

0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Group potline and just you know, beyond the pioneering of

0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:25.240
<v Speaker 2>the Tommy John surgery alone as a multi decade player.

0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:28.480
<v Speaker 2>He started in the sixties, I believe with the Indians,

0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:32.000
<v Speaker 2>to the White Sox, to the Dodgers, to the Yankees.

0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:37.119
<v Speaker 2>But we're talking one, two, three, what eighty nine with

0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:40.399
<v Speaker 2>the A's when I think he called it quits right there,

0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:42.840
<v Speaker 2>that is one hell of an incredible career.

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<v Speaker 3>Well it was. I mean, you know, I think so

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<v Speaker 3>you ask yourself, why is the guy not in the

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<v Speaker 3>Hall of Fame?

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, I heard I saw an interesting interview

0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:56.640
<v Speaker 5>yesterday where they ran it on the MLB network and

0:22:57.160 --> 0:22:59.600
<v Speaker 5>Tommy John said that when Jim Cott went in the

0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:03.399
<v Speaker 5>Hall of Fame, Jim Cott called him to apologize. And

0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:05.480
<v Speaker 5>Tommy said, what do you what do you call him

0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:07.680
<v Speaker 5>to apologize for? He should be happy, And he said,

0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:10.240
<v Speaker 5>I can't believe that I'm going in to the Hall

0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:12.879
<v Speaker 5>of Game before you do. And I think, you know,

0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:14.240
<v Speaker 5>the guy won two hundred.

0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:14.920
<v Speaker 3>And eighty eight games.

0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:17.680
<v Speaker 5>I think they always held the two hundred and thirty

0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:20.280
<v Speaker 5>one losses that he had against him. But you have

0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:24.119
<v Speaker 5>to consider he had a three point three four lifetime

0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:26.840
<v Speaker 5>era and toy put it into perspective. I mean he

0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:30.119
<v Speaker 5>played pitched for some bad teams in his career. I

0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:32.840
<v Speaker 5>mean when he was with the White Sox, John he

0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:35.840
<v Speaker 5>was eighty two and eighty in eight years, but he

0:23:35.880 --> 0:23:38.560
<v Speaker 5>had a two point nine to five era. I mean

0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:42.280
<v Speaker 5>his numbers are unbelievable. Three time twenty game winner, four

0:23:42.359 --> 0:23:46.000
<v Speaker 5>time All Star, like you said, a twenty six year career,

0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:49.040
<v Speaker 5>and you know he started like I think it was

0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:52.720
<v Speaker 5>three hundred and eighty five games that he pitched after

0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:54.280
<v Speaker 5>he had Tommy John surgery.

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<v Speaker 3>Unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is Ted Bishop joins us.

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<v Speaker 2>My friend John Callahan down in Wilmington sent me this

0:24:02.160 --> 0:24:05.439
<v Speaker 2>note over the weekend, and I was unaware. I knew

0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:09.320
<v Speaker 2>that he was a high level athlete at Terre Hote

0:24:09.359 --> 0:24:12.760
<v Speaker 2>Gertzmeyer back in the sixties, and he came obviously after

0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:14.960
<v Speaker 2>the late Slick Leonard as well. I think he was

0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:19.639
<v Speaker 2>a mascot as a Slick letter told Mark Boyle mascot

0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:23.720
<v Speaker 2>for gertz Meyer whenever Slick was a player Gertzmeyer. But

0:24:23.800 --> 0:24:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Tommy John in nineteen sixty one scored forty seven against

0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:32.040
<v Speaker 2>Bedford High School and was being recruited by Adolph Rupp

0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:36.479
<v Speaker 2>at Kentucky but then ultimately chose to play as he

0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:40.080
<v Speaker 2>did professional baseball. But he was every bit as good

0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:41.720
<v Speaker 2>as basketball player back then.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's a fact. I mean he's told me that

0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:47.000
<v Speaker 5>story many times.

0:24:47.240 --> 0:24:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's an Adolph Rupp And I think he told

0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:53.120
<v Speaker 2>us that too when he was he was on here.

0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:57.200
<v Speaker 1>I the first time that you met him was that with.

0:24:57.119 --> 0:24:59.520
<v Speaker 2>The when you were doing that interview of him for

0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:01.080
<v Speaker 2>the Daily Citizen.

0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Was that the first time was.

0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:05.120
<v Speaker 3>I mean I'd never met him before that that was it?

0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:08.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it really is incredible. And then the what

0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:12.600
<v Speaker 2>he touched as far as you know, baseball teams and

0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:17.680
<v Speaker 2>the era in what she played, it's in continues. His

0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:21.840
<v Speaker 2>name is one that will never ever go away because

0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:26.160
<v Speaker 2>in terms of baseball you hear his name about every

0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:29.399
<v Speaker 2>other week nowadays, you just really do. And the people

0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:31.520
<v Speaker 2>have careers now that they never would have.

0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:31.840
<v Speaker 3>Now.

0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:36.520
<v Speaker 2>Obviously, doctor Frank Job in nineteen seventy four had a

0:25:36.560 --> 0:25:40.320
<v Speaker 2>lot to do with that as the guy that pioneered

0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:44.320
<v Speaker 2>the procedure himself, But you know the guy that had

0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:48.840
<v Speaker 2>the career thereafter is that of Tommy John Well.

0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:50.800
<v Speaker 3>He is and when he had that surgery. You know,

0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:53.880
<v Speaker 3>he told me this that, you know, Joe.

0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:56.760
<v Speaker 5>He was done, he was done pitching, I mean, his

0:25:56.800 --> 0:26:00.720
<v Speaker 5>career was over with. And yeah, really the surgery was

0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:02.960
<v Speaker 5>kind of a last ditch effort at the time, and

0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:06.600
<v Speaker 5>Job told him that the odds of him returning to

0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:10.679
<v Speaker 5>pitch were one hundred to one against. And he's like, well,

0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:12.399
<v Speaker 5>I got nothing to lose, I'm gonna go ahead and

0:26:12.400 --> 0:26:16.600
<v Speaker 5>do it. And obviously the rest was history. And it's

0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:19.199
<v Speaker 5>you know, it's one thing for a journeyman player to

0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:22.679
<v Speaker 5>go through a surgery like that and then really streamline

0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:26.600
<v Speaker 5>what happens in baseball for the rest of time. But again,

0:26:26.720 --> 0:26:28.919
<v Speaker 5>getting back to the Hall of Fame situation, I mean,

0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:32.200
<v Speaker 5>here's a guy that won two hundred and eighty eight games.

0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:33.480
<v Speaker 3>The only two guys.

0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:35.440
<v Speaker 5>That have won more games than Tommy John that are

0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:38.200
<v Speaker 5>not in the Hall of Fame are Roger Clemens for

0:26:38.320 --> 0:26:42.040
<v Speaker 5>obvious reasons. And the name of the next guy escapes

0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:44.439
<v Speaker 5>me because he was a guy that pitched in the

0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:46.159
<v Speaker 5>early days of the game, before there.

0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:50.199
<v Speaker 3>Was even a mound. So you know, it's well, you

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:51.600
<v Speaker 3>he'll be in now.

0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:55.639
<v Speaker 2>You mentioned Jim Cott to eighty three, which is less

0:26:56.240 --> 0:26:59.640
<v Speaker 2>Bert blyleven is in at to eighty seven, Robert Roberts

0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:04.320
<v Speaker 2>is entered two eighty six, Foggy Jenkins at two eighty four. Uh,

0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Mike Mussina, I think right is two seventy more modern days,

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:10.720
<v Speaker 2>certainly right there, Jim Palmer's two sixty eight, Bob Feller

0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:15.280
<v Speaker 2>two sixty six. So you've got guys in this, and

0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:18.000
<v Speaker 2>we can go further down the list as well with

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:21.359
<v Speaker 2>those types. But you know, there are guys with less

0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:25.560
<v Speaker 2>wins that are in right now, certainly than Tommy John Well.

0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:29.360
<v Speaker 5>I just think that the duration of his career, it's

0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:33.240
<v Speaker 5>almost like the twenty six years that he pitched worked

0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:36.480
<v Speaker 5>against him in the minds of some people. Becauesn't work

0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:39.160
<v Speaker 5>as that mentality might be if you understand what I'm saying.

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:42.360
<v Speaker 5>You know, okay, Well he had two hundred and eighty

0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:45.000
<v Speaker 5>eight wins, but he pitched for twenty six years.

0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:48.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I mean seriously, he told you know, John,

0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:49.879
<v Speaker 3>he told me a story.

0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:53.160
<v Speaker 5>I gave me a statistic and I've I've looked tried

0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:56.520
<v Speaker 5>to look it up today before this interview about how

0:27:56.560 --> 0:28:01.119
<v Speaker 5>many of his seven hundred starts he it's into the

0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:03.720
<v Speaker 5>eighth inning, it's unbelievable.

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:08.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's it's completely different era baseball Ted because

0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:13.399
<v Speaker 2>you know you basically you went all the way.

0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:14.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean you did. It's nothing like it is today.

0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:19.399
<v Speaker 5>But uh, you know, an incredible career, but a you know,

0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:22.160
<v Speaker 5>really a great guy in a classic.

0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:22.680
<v Speaker 3>Hoosier for sure.

0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:25.040
<v Speaker 2>I brought this up a little bit earlier. Ted Bishop

0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:27.240
<v Speaker 2>down in Franklin at the Legends. He is the golf

0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:29.960
<v Speaker 2>pro and obviously used to be the pro over at

0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 2>the Phil Harris and Lytton Indiana.

0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:35.360
<v Speaker 1>How many times did did he be a part of the.

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:38.360
<v Speaker 2>Phil Harris Classic over the summers that you were a

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:38.959
<v Speaker 2>part of it too?

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:41.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, obviously say eight or nine times for sure.

0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that that will go down as one of the

0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:48.320
<v Speaker 2>greatest golf tournaments of all time. You realize that, right,

0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:50.080
<v Speaker 2>especially in the state of India, I mean the state

0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:52.840
<v Speaker 2>of Indiana had there was was there anything else in

0:28:52.880 --> 0:28:55.760
<v Speaker 2>the state like then and now like it?

0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:56.600
<v Speaker 1>It's incredible.

0:28:57.640 --> 0:28:59.360
<v Speaker 5>The only thing that was going on that was even

0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 5>remotely like it was the Matt Anthony's up in Fort Wayne.

0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 3>But as you know, because you grew up.

0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:08.240
<v Speaker 5>In that area, the thing that different differentiated that tournament

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:11.280
<v Speaker 5>was we had six hundred players in two days. We

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:14.840
<v Speaker 5>had four one hundred and fifty players, shotguns, starts. Every

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:18.400
<v Speaker 5>team had a celebrity, I mean the baseball players, the

0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 5>football players we had, I mean there were some big

0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:28.240
<v Speaker 5>names obviously, entertainers, astronauts. I mean it was a phenomenal weekend.

0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:29.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:31.800
<v Speaker 1>How long did did? What year?

0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:34.240
<v Speaker 2>I guess I should ask this, what year did Phil

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Harris get that started?

0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:36.200
<v Speaker 3>There?

0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:41.000
<v Speaker 5>We started it in nineteen seventy nine. Wow, and Bill

0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:46.280
<v Speaker 5>he came back until the year that he passed away,

0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 5>which seems to me was about nineteen ninety three or

0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:50.360
<v Speaker 5>ninety four.

0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And just I've mentioned this a little bit earlier

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:58.400
<v Speaker 2>to the younger audience. They may not get it, but

0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 2>it was a who's who stage and screen going back

0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:06.720
<v Speaker 2>to the fifties and the sixties.

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:09.800
<v Speaker 3>It was Yeah, No, it was well, you know.

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:15.720
<v Speaker 5>Everybody, even the younger generation today, they remember the movie

0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:19.000
<v Speaker 5>Jungle Book and you know Phil Harris, he had a

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:21.360
<v Speaker 5>gold record for the song bar Necessities.

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:25.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's incredible. Think about that, and people probably don't.

0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:29.640
<v Speaker 2>Now that's why we're educating them on this. But I

0:30:30.200 --> 0:30:32.200
<v Speaker 2>brought that up a little bit earlier with Tommy John

0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:35.480
<v Speaker 2>in mine because you know, everybody would obviously remember that

0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:37.000
<v Speaker 2>of Bob Knight, and I know Bob Knight was a

0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:38.760
<v Speaker 2>part of that for a number of years as well,

0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 2>the lay great Indiana coach. But wow, it was just

0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:45.320
<v Speaker 2>it was something back then. It really was. Yep, it

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 2>was all right, hell things going down in Franklin for

0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:48.520
<v Speaker 2>you too, you guys stand dry.

0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:52.200
<v Speaker 5>You know what, We're very fortunate compared to what a

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:55.320
<v Speaker 5>lot of people are dealing with. But yeah, we're hanging

0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:59.480
<v Speaker 5>in there and looking forward to good weather this week

0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:01.000
<v Speaker 5>and hopefully get things going again.

0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 2>That is Ted Bischip done in Franklin, and if you

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:07.479
<v Speaker 2>want to play some golf, go down there to just

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:11.160
<v Speaker 2>an incredible course and have a great time. And tell

0:31:11.200 --> 0:31:15.680
<v Speaker 2>Ted that we sing legends down in Franklin also the

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:19.720
<v Speaker 2>host back in April of what was a incredible fan

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:22.080
<v Speaker 2>golf outing. Man, I can't thank you enough for everything

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:25.239
<v Speaker 2>you do, and thanks for you know, looking back at

0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:27.880
<v Speaker 2>somebody you knew very well and Tommy John. I thought, well,

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:30.600
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking over the weekend. You know, obviously you

0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:33.080
<v Speaker 2>hooked me up with Tommy John about five years ago,

0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:34.720
<v Speaker 2>and I thought maybe I should get you on to

0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:39.800
<v Speaker 2>talk up just exactly what people may not know about

0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:43.000
<v Speaker 2>him as an athlete, because it was more than just

0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:44.720
<v Speaker 2>the Tommy Todd surgery itself.

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:48.440
<v Speaker 5>Well it was, and it's been interesting to listen to

0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:51.760
<v Speaker 5>a lot of interviews. I just watched when the Bucky

0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:55.520
<v Speaker 5>Dent did a few minutes ago, and just the respect

0:31:55.600 --> 0:32:00.000
<v Speaker 5>and admiration that all his teammates had for him, particularly

0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:03.360
<v Speaker 5>with the Yankees, but obviously the Dodgers and any of

0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:04.560
<v Speaker 5>the teams that he played for.

0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:07.320
<v Speaker 3>I mean, he really was. He was a great guy.

0:32:07.880 --> 0:32:08.080
<v Speaker 2>Ted.

0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:10.760
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you man. We'll be in touch again really soon.

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:13.640
<v Speaker 2>And if you see our good friend Don Fisher before

0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 2>I do, congratulate him on that honor this past weekend.

0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:20.000
<v Speaker 1>That was something oh I absolutely will all right, Thanks Ted.

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Thanks that's Ted Bishop of the Legends down in Franklin

0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 2>on the Andy Morron at one Off Group potlined. Caleb's

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 2>over there, John right here, by the way. We need

0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:33.719
<v Speaker 2>to bring up Caleb going to the Is it the

0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:37.360
<v Speaker 2>Cincinnati Open? What is it called the Masters? It is

0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:38.560
<v Speaker 2>called the Cincinnati Open.

0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:40.440
<v Speaker 1>You had it right, the Cincinnati Open.

0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:44.000
<v Speaker 2>You saw play tennis yesterday back in the day prior

0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:47.440
<v Speaker 2>to the US Open. You had lead ups, and Indy

0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:51.440
<v Speaker 2>was always in a matchup, a battle, if you will,

0:32:51.520 --> 0:32:54.960
<v Speaker 2>for that top layer of talent with Cincinnati. Now Indy

0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:58.280
<v Speaker 2>has disappeared. Yeah, yeah, I will say this, John.

0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:00.680
<v Speaker 4>I know this isn't a tennis show any means, but

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 4>it's it's pretty fun.

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:03.880
<v Speaker 2>It's my first time ever watching it. And who'd you

0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:06.440
<v Speaker 2>see yesterday in Cincinnati Cocoa Golf and.

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:08.560
<v Speaker 4>Then the number one player in the world, Arena Sabolenka,

0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:10.240
<v Speaker 4>So that was pretty cool.

0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:12.920
<v Speaker 2>And he also played hoop with us yesterday at Center

0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 2>Grove Central before you went to Cincinnati, and he went

0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:17.720
<v Speaker 2>all stinky and sweaty and be ol ridden.

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:20.000
<v Speaker 4>Hey, and I was thinking about that because you made

0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 4>fun of me right before I left. I was like, hey,

0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:24.040
<v Speaker 4>we were outside all day and it was hot and

0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:27.560
<v Speaker 4>interesting cologna. Yeah, but it didn't matter because once I

0:33:27.600 --> 0:33:28.720
<v Speaker 4>got there it was the same thing.

0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, everybody had bo just like you. You're all good.

0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:36.520
<v Speaker 2>That'd be fun right there. Yeah. Hey, there was a

0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:39.720
<v Speaker 2>time and I blank you not And we could talk

0:33:39.760 --> 0:33:42.600
<v Speaker 2>about this with Greg when he joins US tomorrow. Greg

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:47.520
<v Speaker 2>Reigsdraw did radio play by play on the former nine

0:33:47.520 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 2>to fifty Sports station with the late Bud Collins, who

0:33:55.160 --> 0:34:01.160
<v Speaker 2>was one of the if not the most noted tennis

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:06.400
<v Speaker 2>experts and analysts on the planet and maybe of all time.

0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:13.439
<v Speaker 2>It was Greg and Bud Collins doing tennis play by

0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:17.240
<v Speaker 2>play on the radio, which I have no I still

0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 2>like Greg could do anything play by play on the radio,

0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:23.959
<v Speaker 2>but it was shocking. I got what he and Bud

0:34:24.000 --> 0:34:29.319
<v Speaker 2>Collins doing it. It was incredible. The Thomas Rhett and

0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Disco Lines concerts at Live Golf Indie, which is going

0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:40.040
<v Speaker 2>to be hosted coming up this week in Westfield, the

0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:47.160
<v Speaker 2>concerts have been canceled. Live Golf made that announcement quote

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:55.800
<v Speaker 2>due to unavoidable changes in the entertainment program. That doesn't

0:34:55.800 --> 0:35:03.960
<v Speaker 2>sound great. So Thomas Rhat and Disco Lines, we're headlining

0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:09.000
<v Speaker 2>the concert at Live this week. Caleb canceled.

0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:10.080
<v Speaker 6>That's a bummer.

0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:13.600
<v Speaker 2>Cancel is Amber. So we talked to Ted Bishop about

0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:15.960
<v Speaker 2>this a little bit earlier. He was surprised that the

0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:19.000
<v Speaker 2>tournament was going to go off. Gonna makes you wonder

0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:22.799
<v Speaker 2>if it is. And certainly it looks like it's going

0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 2>to be the last tournament this season and maybe the

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:26.640
<v Speaker 2>last of all time.

0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Is that what people were saying right now to.

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:32.239
<v Speaker 2>The rumor, but Ted did say that there's funding. There's

0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:35.560
<v Speaker 2>funding they're gonna find. Supposedly, I need to find some

0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:38.440
<v Speaker 2>funding too. Yeah. I think we all need to find funding.

0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:43.120
<v Speaker 2>Can anybody find us funding on the Andy Moore Automotive

0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Group hotline. We'll be up there with him coming up

0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:48.120
<v Speaker 2>on Thursday for the first time a drop light at

0:35:48.160 --> 0:35:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Grant Park that is one of the joint get togethers

0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:52.440
<v Speaker 2>with the Atlanta Falcons.

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 1>Coming up on Saturday.

0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:57.360
<v Speaker 2>At his preseason game two with the Falcons from ESPN,

0:35:58.080 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 2>Stephen Holder joins us.

0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Hello, Steve even, how are you?

0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:04.399
<v Speaker 3>Oh?

0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:06.440
<v Speaker 6>There we go? Sorry, I was muted that is.

0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Right there, So yeah, you to put me on you.

0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:12.439
<v Speaker 2>I gotta mute this of it. I got to either

0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:14.319
<v Speaker 2>come on or this guy's got to shut up, or

0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:15.280
<v Speaker 2>something's got to happen.

0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:18.839
<v Speaker 6>No, oh, good good. I went to that Cincinnati Open

0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:22.120
<v Speaker 6>last year for the first time. By the way, uh

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:25.720
<v Speaker 6>the tennis tournament. It was a good time. A friend

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:29.960
<v Speaker 6>of mine in Cincinnati had does the whole like, I

0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:32.520
<v Speaker 6>guess they call it a season ticket. Yeah, big tennis fan.

0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 6>And so I went and spent a day. I did

0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:37.360
<v Speaker 6>the day session and part of the night session and

0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:41.200
<v Speaker 6>if you if you like tennis, and I get it's

0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:42.640
<v Speaker 6>a little bit of a niche sport, but if you

0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:45.200
<v Speaker 6>like tennis, even if you don't, but if you like tennis,

0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 6>you have to go because it's all the heavy hitters play.

0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 6>It's a big deal. So I did not know that

0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:56.120
<v Speaker 6>upon or prior to going, but I saw basically the

0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:57.640
<v Speaker 6>top three or four players in the world.

0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:00.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm men and women, and that's what Caleb did yesterday,

0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 2>And I for one would love it if there would

0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:07.680
<v Speaker 2>be a resurgence in tennis interest as it was when

0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:09.920
<v Speaker 2>I was growing up. I just I don't know if

0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:12.279
<v Speaker 2>that's going to be in the cards. But when I

0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:15.479
<v Speaker 2>was growing up, I mean, now, we knew the top

0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:18.880
<v Speaker 2>twenty men and women, and I'd scrambled to give you

0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:21.080
<v Speaker 2>like five in both groups right now.

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:23.920
<v Speaker 6>And it's really I think it's really boiled down to

0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:27.400
<v Speaker 6>a very simple explanation, because I I'm with you. I

0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:30.120
<v Speaker 6>remember being home in the summer from school and I'm

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:33.319
<v Speaker 6>watching all of Wimbledon, I'm watching the French Open, all

0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:34.920
<v Speaker 6>that stuff, and it was a big deal to you,

0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:37.239
<v Speaker 6>and I knew all the top players, and I think

0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:41.000
<v Speaker 6>the simple explanation is just that, particularly on the men's side,

0:37:41.560 --> 0:37:45.040
<v Speaker 6>you had a lot of American men and they were good,

0:37:45.280 --> 0:37:48.359
<v Speaker 6>you know, the likes of Peak Sampers and guys like that,

0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:51.240
<v Speaker 6>and I was, I mean, I was an avid follower

0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:54.759
<v Speaker 6>back then. I can't say that today, and you know,

0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 6>things change, but I do think that's part of it.

0:37:57.200 --> 0:37:58.560
<v Speaker 6>That's a really big part of it.

0:37:58.560 --> 0:38:00.680
<v Speaker 2>I think I would love to know this if I

0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:04.359
<v Speaker 2>were to just lobbed this question out there, what is

0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:08.560
<v Speaker 2>the greatest because this is all the Cincinnati Open and

0:38:08.600 --> 0:38:11.239
<v Speaker 2>what used to be here in Indy was a precursor

0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:14.520
<v Speaker 2>or lead up tournaments in preparation for the US Open

0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:17.360
<v Speaker 2>in Queens, which is coming up at the end of

0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:20.560
<v Speaker 2>this month in early September. I guess, but what is

0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:27.279
<v Speaker 2>the greatest US Open tennis memory all time? For anybody?

0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:30.560
<v Speaker 2>What would be the first thing I would guess this.

0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:34.000
<v Speaker 2>I would guess it would be in nineteen ninety one

0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:37.320
<v Speaker 2>and Jimmy Conners and Aaron Cricket.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be my guess.

0:38:39.320 --> 0:38:41.920
<v Speaker 2>And I think that stands the reason as to why

0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 2>maybe a lot of people would suggest it's out of side,

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:49.000
<v Speaker 2>out of mind, because we have to go back to

0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:51.520
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety one I bet a lot of people, especially

0:38:51.520 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 2>in my age demographic, would reference that as their fondest

0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:57.120
<v Speaker 2>memory of all time of that tournament.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, I mean, well, that tells you all you need

0:38:59.040 --> 0:39:01.719
<v Speaker 6>to know. I mean, that was like three generations ago, right,

0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:05.600
<v Speaker 6>I mean not quite, but it was a long time ago, right,

0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:09.960
<v Speaker 6>I mean nineteen ninety one. I was in like the

0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:12.560
<v Speaker 6>tenth grade, you know what I mean. So what are

0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:15.600
<v Speaker 6>we talking about, you know? And so yeah, I mean

0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:19.239
<v Speaker 6>there's a whole, like a whole generation of kids that

0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:22.239
<v Speaker 6>have come along after you and me that never you know,

0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:25.440
<v Speaker 6>it was never even in there in their thought process,

0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:27.160
<v Speaker 6>you know, because there was just no there was no

0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:29.680
<v Speaker 6>one close to home for them to root for, and

0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:33.359
<v Speaker 6>that that kind of needs to change, you know. I saw,

0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:38.200
<v Speaker 6>I think I saw it was it Ben Shelton out

0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:40.520
<v Speaker 6>there last year, and so like he had a big

0:39:40.600 --> 0:39:43.000
<v Speaker 6>crowd cheering for him, and like that was a hot ticket,

0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:45.440
<v Speaker 6>you know, to get in get a seat for his match,

0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:48.080
<v Speaker 6>you know. But you know he's kind of like just

0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:51.160
<v Speaker 6>on the outside of like the really elite players, you know,

0:39:51.320 --> 0:39:54.960
<v Speaker 6>so you need you need a home team guy, you know.

0:39:55.080 --> 0:39:56.440
<v Speaker 6>That's why I think it boils.

0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Down to, Yeah, his he has a link to Carmelts

0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Ben Shelton, does I think his his mom I think

0:40:04.040 --> 0:40:06.719
<v Speaker 2>grew up in Carmel, Did she not? I believe Been

0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:09.320
<v Speaker 2>Shelton the player did. Can you, hey, Caleb when you

0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:11.640
<v Speaker 2>look that up? I believe that, and that that should

0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:13.760
<v Speaker 2>be something that you would think we'd be talking about

0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:16.000
<v Speaker 2>a lot around here. But that just kind of shows

0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:18.520
<v Speaker 2>you where Tennis is in the grand scheme of things.

0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:21.719
<v Speaker 2>I guess that is what I thought. I thought that

0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:24.360
<v Speaker 2>his mom was from Carmel originally.

0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:26.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:40:26.800 --> 0:40:30.960
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, anyway, hopefully maybe he's maybe he can figure it out.

0:40:31.040 --> 0:40:31.439
<v Speaker 6>We'll see.

0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Stephen Holder of ESPN is with us, speaking of figuring

0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:39.600
<v Speaker 2>things out. Is this a comfortable slash confident place the

0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Colts are in with their wide receiving group right now?

0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:45.799
<v Speaker 2>I know they brought a trio in at some point

0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:47.719
<v Speaker 2>in the past forty eight hours or so, check them

0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:49.840
<v Speaker 2>out and then then then send them on their way.

0:40:50.080 --> 0:40:52.080
<v Speaker 2>Are they comfortable with the way this is going? Would

0:40:52.080 --> 0:40:54.319
<v Speaker 2>they be comfortable and going with an extra tight end

0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:58.200
<v Speaker 2>starting the season? And where are we with the thought

0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:02.200
<v Speaker 2>of participation of like Pierce in week number one? Just

0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:04.959
<v Speaker 2>kind of a really a couple of questions right here

0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:08.600
<v Speaker 2>regarding the wide receivers of the colt to start the season.

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:12.640
<v Speaker 6>So I think as to your first question in terms

0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:14.760
<v Speaker 6>of what is their comfort level with the wide receivers?

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 6>Are they comfortable with their current wide receivers? I would

0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:22.160
<v Speaker 6>say they are more comfortable than they were maybe when

0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:26.160
<v Speaker 6>camp started. Okay, and that's also true of me just

0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:30.719
<v Speaker 6>observing them. I see a scenario where, okay, there are

0:41:30.800 --> 0:41:35.439
<v Speaker 6>that trio of guys does have some playmaking ability. We're

0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:37.600
<v Speaker 6>not talking about the first option and out when the

0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:41.000
<v Speaker 6>trio being you know, the likes of Ashton Doing, you know,

0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:47.920
<v Speaker 6>Lakwan Treadwill, Nick Westbrookakine collectively, you can get some plays

0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:52.480
<v Speaker 6>from that trio, right The problem is I won't trust

0:41:52.480 --> 0:41:54.799
<v Speaker 6>it on a play to play basis. You know, I

0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:57.560
<v Speaker 6>think over the course of three weeks of training camp,

0:41:57.640 --> 0:42:00.640
<v Speaker 6>yes they've all made some plays, but can they do

0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:02.920
<v Speaker 6>it at the moment of truth, you know, when with

0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 6>a game on the line. Not that they're the first

0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:07.440
<v Speaker 6>option in that situation, but I'm just saying, you know,

0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:10.600
<v Speaker 6>if they are called upon in that situation, do you

0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:13.000
<v Speaker 6>count on those guys? Can you count on those guys?

0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:15.920
<v Speaker 6>Any of those guys to make the play that you need,

0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:20.160
<v Speaker 6>and I don't think that's a position I want to

0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:25.399
<v Speaker 6>be in ideally, right, So I guess in terms of

0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:30.120
<v Speaker 6>feeling comfortable, as I said, more comfortable because they've they've

0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:32.759
<v Speaker 6>all stepped up at different times in camp. But I

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:35.480
<v Speaker 6>don't know that that's the end all be all. I

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:38.280
<v Speaker 6>do think so a couple other things you mentioned personnel,

0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:44.960
<v Speaker 6>will they use the tight end more? I think yes, absolutely.

0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:49.800
<v Speaker 6>You will probably see a little more of the two

0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:53.279
<v Speaker 6>tight end sets. You may even see some three tight

0:42:53.400 --> 0:42:56.160
<v Speaker 6>end sets, you know, with one wide receiver in a

0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:59.759
<v Speaker 6>running back you might. You know, you might see them

0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:02.920
<v Speaker 6>be more involved in the passing game. You know, we

0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:06.759
<v Speaker 6>will see. But the big question, though is the one

0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:10.040
<v Speaker 6>you mentioned last, and that is Alec Pierce. And whereas

0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:15.759
<v Speaker 6>he yesterday was one month out from opening day, so

0:43:15.880 --> 0:43:20.200
<v Speaker 6>we are now three weeks and six days out today

0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:24.160
<v Speaker 6>from opening day. That is a fair amount of time,

0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:28.399
<v Speaker 6>but he's got to get back soon. I don't think

0:43:28.440 --> 0:43:30.880
<v Speaker 6>you can drag this out another couple of weeks and

0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:33.200
<v Speaker 6>feel good about it, Like if he's not going to

0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:36.480
<v Speaker 6>be out there this week, I don't anticipate any of that.

0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:39.719
<v Speaker 6>So I think you're talking about next week at the earliest.

0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:43.040
<v Speaker 6>After this preseason game, they get back to practice. I

0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:45.719
<v Speaker 6>believe a week from today. I would love to see

0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:49.600
<v Speaker 6>him out there on next Monday, but I certainly can't

0:43:49.600 --> 0:43:50.120
<v Speaker 6>guarantee it.

0:43:50.280 --> 0:43:53.800
<v Speaker 2>You do you think he'll play in weight number one?

0:43:54.800 --> 0:44:00.160
<v Speaker 6>I don't have reason to say otherwise right now, But

0:44:00.640 --> 0:44:03.040
<v Speaker 6>time is ticking. I think a month to go. A

0:44:03.080 --> 0:44:06.359
<v Speaker 6>month is a long time, okay, Like like, there are

0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:08.200
<v Speaker 6>a lot of injuries you can come back from in

0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:08.640
<v Speaker 6>a month.

0:44:08.880 --> 0:44:09.200
<v Speaker 3>Now.

0:44:10.000 --> 0:44:13.000
<v Speaker 6>The difference here is that this is a long term thing,

0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:15.440
<v Speaker 6>so it's harder to gauge, right. I mean, if you

0:44:15.800 --> 0:44:19.520
<v Speaker 6>if you spraying an ankle, they're going to tell you, you know,

0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:23.920
<v Speaker 6>two to four weeks or something, right, you can narrow

0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:25.560
<v Speaker 6>it down a little bit because it's not a severe

0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:29.080
<v Speaker 6>in injury. This is a surgery that required many months

0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:33.000
<v Speaker 6>of recovery, so it's harder to pin down the recovery timeline.

0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:36.440
<v Speaker 6>He's he is coming up on five months, and it

0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:39.240
<v Speaker 6>was a four to six month recovery. If he takes

0:44:39.280 --> 0:44:42.720
<v Speaker 6>six months, well damn it, they're in trouble, okay, because

0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:45.000
<v Speaker 6>that takes you in the week one. If he can

0:44:45.080 --> 0:44:47.640
<v Speaker 6>do five and a half months. They can probably figure

0:44:47.680 --> 0:44:50.239
<v Speaker 6>this out, but it really just boils down to how

0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:54.160
<v Speaker 6>close he is. They say he's close, What does close mean?

0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:56.200
<v Speaker 6>You know what I mean, when we're talking about a

0:44:56.280 --> 0:44:59.319
<v Speaker 6>six month deal? What does close mean? Does close mean

0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:03.000
<v Speaker 6>next week? Does it mean next month? That's the thing

0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:05.439
<v Speaker 6>that's really hard to really determine right.

0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Now, tes Stevenholder of ESPN, ESPN dot Com colts. Of course,

0:45:09.000 --> 0:45:10.759
<v Speaker 2>a couple of days off, get back at at the

0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:14.200
<v Speaker 2>joint practices with the Falcons leading up to Saturday and

0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:17.360
<v Speaker 2>that matchup preseason Game two with the Falcons at Lucas

0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Oil Stadium. So I get the sense that they didn't

0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:22.439
<v Speaker 2>like any of the guys at wide receiver they brought

0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:23.800
<v Speaker 2>in so far. Is that true?

0:45:25.239 --> 0:45:29.200
<v Speaker 6>It would appear, I think, Listen, they would have to

0:45:29.640 --> 0:45:32.399
<v Speaker 6>not only be a better option than what they have,

0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:37.560
<v Speaker 6>but also be equipped to quickly pick up the system

0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:40.279
<v Speaker 6>and be comfortable in it and productive in it. And

0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:43.279
<v Speaker 6>that's a lot to ask, you know, for guys that

0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:45.000
<v Speaker 6>are just kind of guys, you know what I mean.

0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:49.440
<v Speaker 6>And so excuse me, I didn't anticipate they would make

0:45:49.480 --> 0:45:52.840
<v Speaker 6>a move there, but I think they've They've had a

0:45:52.880 --> 0:45:56.360
<v Speaker 6>couple of guys get banged up and they know, you

0:45:56.400 --> 0:45:58.719
<v Speaker 6>know that they have to be ready to make a

0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:03.279
<v Speaker 6>move if called upon, just for for depth purposes. So, uh,

0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:06.080
<v Speaker 6>that's what I think you're seeing there. You're also seeing

0:46:06.120 --> 0:46:11.040
<v Speaker 6>maybe a reaction to the preseason and and maybe guys

0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:15.360
<v Speaker 6>who did or did not make enough plays in camp

0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:18.480
<v Speaker 6>in this first preseason game, and so you've got to

0:46:18.520 --> 0:46:21.080
<v Speaker 6>consider your options even when it comes to the practice squad.

0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:23.200
<v Speaker 6>So you just you just need to know what's out there.

0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:25.160
<v Speaker 6>So I think that's what that was. And I would

0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:29.120
<v Speaker 6>lastly just say, Keenan Allen, I haven't turned the page

0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:32.600
<v Speaker 6>on that yet, so I would say keep that book

0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:36.040
<v Speaker 6>open into the side, so I don't.

0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:39.200
<v Speaker 2>And with that in mind, obviously he's a guy that

0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:42.759
<v Speaker 2>has has done a lot and we've seen that he's

0:46:42.800 --> 0:46:46.600
<v Speaker 2>got that on his resume. Is this coming down to

0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:51.480
<v Speaker 2>a dude that doesn't need this this layer, this level

0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:55.120
<v Speaker 2>of training camp? Is it something monetarily they're trying to

0:46:55.239 --> 0:46:58.560
<v Speaker 2>side step until the start of the season. Are they unsure?

0:46:59.440 --> 0:47:03.080
<v Speaker 2>Why would that not? Because to me, I view this

0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:06.640
<v Speaker 2>category as something you're going to have to do, you

0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:08.520
<v Speaker 2>need to do now, it's going to have to happen

0:47:08.640 --> 0:47:12.640
<v Speaker 2>at that position sooner rather than later. Why has there

0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:15.960
<v Speaker 2>not been any interest and or any sort of movement

0:47:16.200 --> 0:47:18.680
<v Speaker 2>regarding Keenan Allen. Why would that make sense?

0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:23.080
<v Speaker 6>Well, I wouldn't say there's been no interest there. They

0:47:23.120 --> 0:47:27.120
<v Speaker 6>definitely have talked, that's for sure. Now, why hasn't it happened?

0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:28.279
<v Speaker 3>Certainly? Right?

0:47:28.360 --> 0:47:31.960
<v Speaker 6>A fair question. I would say what you said earlier

0:47:32.040 --> 0:47:36.640
<v Speaker 6>about there being a feeling that maybe he doesn't need

0:47:36.680 --> 0:47:40.800
<v Speaker 6>a full training camp. I think that's probably accurate. I

0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:42.560
<v Speaker 6>don't know how the Colts feel about it, but it

0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:47.520
<v Speaker 6>does appear that Keenan Allen feels that way. I would think, so,

0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:51.239
<v Speaker 6>you know, we'll see what happens. I think I think

0:47:51.320 --> 0:47:56.759
<v Speaker 6>that that is a position that just about everybody involved

0:47:57.000 --> 0:48:01.439
<v Speaker 6>feels that way to some degree. Right, that we can

0:48:01.640 --> 0:48:03.640
<v Speaker 6>we can do this right before the season and it

0:48:03.680 --> 0:48:07.120
<v Speaker 6>could still work. That doesn't mean they're going to do it.

0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:10.640
<v Speaker 6>I don't know. All I'm saying is I think his

0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:16.040
<v Speaker 6>absence in training camp is not a disincentive to sign him.

0:48:16.320 --> 0:48:20.080
<v Speaker 6>Does that make sense? Yeah, it could still happen, for sure,

0:48:20.719 --> 0:48:25.880
<v Speaker 6>but again, consistent evaluation going on there. I don't know

0:48:25.920 --> 0:48:28.480
<v Speaker 6>how long they want to keep evaluating I think this

0:48:28.520 --> 0:48:32.359
<v Speaker 6>is your last week of evaluation, you know what I mean.

0:48:32.440 --> 0:48:35.080
<v Speaker 2>I thought there was something monetarily involved too, if they

0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:37.080
<v Speaker 2>were apparent the roster this way, that you have to

0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:39.520
<v Speaker 2>pay more money than you would if they weren't a pont.

0:48:39.680 --> 0:48:43.600
<v Speaker 6>No, I don't think. I don't think money's a factor here,

0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:47.520
<v Speaker 6>Not to my knowledge, I don't think money is a factor.

0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:51.560
<v Speaker 6>I just think it's about, you know, does he want

0:48:51.600 --> 0:48:54.399
<v Speaker 6>to do it? You know, do the Colts definitely want

0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:57.240
<v Speaker 6>to go down this road? You know, those kinds of things.

0:48:58.680 --> 0:49:01.160
<v Speaker 6>I would just say, though, you know, they talk about

0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:03.839
<v Speaker 6>wanting to take a look a longer look at this

0:49:03.880 --> 0:49:07.439
<v Speaker 6>wide receiver group personally, as I just said, I think

0:49:07.480 --> 0:49:10.480
<v Speaker 6>this is the last week for really looking at these guys.

0:49:10.760 --> 0:49:13.239
<v Speaker 6>I'm not saying like next week doesn't matter at all,

0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:15.600
<v Speaker 6>but it certainly matters a lot less. You got two

0:49:15.719 --> 0:49:18.640
<v Speaker 6>joint practices against the Falcons, like you're going to see

0:49:18.680 --> 0:49:22.640
<v Speaker 6>these guys go up against first team defenders from another team,

0:49:23.040 --> 0:49:25.799
<v Speaker 6>and then the preseason game. You won't get starters there,

0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:28.960
<v Speaker 6>You'll have the backups play. Next week. You might get

0:49:28.960 --> 0:49:31.279
<v Speaker 6>a little bit of a dress rehearsal, but I mean,

0:49:31.719 --> 0:49:34.680
<v Speaker 6>at this point, coming out of this weekend, You've got

0:49:34.680 --> 0:49:37.040
<v Speaker 6>to know most of your fifty three. I feel like,

0:49:37.239 --> 0:49:38.879
<v Speaker 6>So that's kind of where I'm at with it.

0:49:39.040 --> 0:49:41.359
<v Speaker 1>What do you think Anthony Richardson Senior would ever have.

0:49:41.360 --> 0:49:44.720
<v Speaker 2>To do to change the notion of his head coach?

0:49:45.320 --> 0:49:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Because obviously in yeah, I don't blame him because that's

0:49:49.880 --> 0:49:52.520
<v Speaker 2>what you witnessed as the coach. But what would he

0:49:52.600 --> 0:49:55.759
<v Speaker 2>have to do or do something consistently to change the

0:49:55.800 --> 0:49:58.839
<v Speaker 2>notion that the head coach has on him right now

0:49:58.920 --> 0:50:01.240
<v Speaker 2>just in general of his quarterback?

0:50:02.440 --> 0:50:04.719
<v Speaker 6>Well, he for now he I think he's doing the

0:50:04.760 --> 0:50:07.040
<v Speaker 6>only thing he can do right now, which is just

0:50:07.719 --> 0:50:11.600
<v Speaker 6>you know, show show something I thought he did. I

0:50:11.600 --> 0:50:13.719
<v Speaker 6>really liked what he did in the preseason game. I

0:50:13.760 --> 0:50:19.760
<v Speaker 6>mean there's always going to be some Anthony Richard Richardson isms, Okay,

0:50:19.760 --> 0:50:22.520
<v Speaker 6>in every game he plays, even when he plays well, right,

0:50:22.680 --> 0:50:25.640
<v Speaker 6>and so the fumble, it's like, all right, man, you

0:50:25.719 --> 0:50:29.280
<v Speaker 6>did so much good, you know, and still you managed

0:50:29.320 --> 0:50:31.560
<v Speaker 6>to to kind of get yourself a little bit of

0:50:31.960 --> 0:50:36.680
<v Speaker 6>you know, a demerit if you will. So I just

0:50:36.719 --> 0:50:39.240
<v Speaker 6>think he's doing the only thing he can do, which

0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:42.840
<v Speaker 6>is to kind of put some points on the board,

0:50:42.920 --> 0:50:48.240
<v Speaker 6>you know, and figuratively and you know literally right, and

0:50:48.239 --> 0:50:51.719
<v Speaker 6>and I think in a bigger sense, the answer to

0:50:51.760 --> 0:50:54.319
<v Speaker 6>your question is, if he's falled upon this year, he

0:50:54.360 --> 0:50:58.080
<v Speaker 6>has to come through. Really, this is really that simple.

0:50:58.120 --> 0:51:01.800
<v Speaker 6>If he's called upon to play this year, and god knows,

0:51:02.480 --> 0:51:06.680
<v Speaker 6>the odds are in favor of it happening, right, Okay,

0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:08.719
<v Speaker 6>can we just like just go ahead and say it, right,

0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:12.640
<v Speaker 6>the odds are in favor of it happening. Daniel Jones

0:51:12.960 --> 0:51:17.560
<v Speaker 6>injury history is ugly. It's ugly, and I and I

0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:21.200
<v Speaker 6>think the world of Daniel Jones, but we got to

0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:23.880
<v Speaker 6>call it what it is, right this the guy rarely

0:51:23.880 --> 0:51:27.480
<v Speaker 6>plays a full season. So if and when Anthony Richardson

0:51:27.520 --> 0:51:29.279
<v Speaker 6>has called upon and they haven't named in the number

0:51:29.280 --> 0:51:32.960
<v Speaker 6>two quarterback, but when that happens and he's called upon

0:51:32.960 --> 0:51:34.640
<v Speaker 6>the play, he has to come through. And I think

0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:38.960
<v Speaker 6>that is how you begin to change the narrative both

0:51:39.400 --> 0:51:42.160
<v Speaker 6>outside the building and inside the building with your own coach.

0:51:42.440 --> 0:51:45.840
<v Speaker 2>So Steven and it was Rick Venturi brought this up

0:51:45.960 --> 0:51:50.480
<v Speaker 2>on the pregame huddle and we kind of got into it,

0:51:50.040 --> 0:51:53.160
<v Speaker 2>not got into it, but we got into this subject

0:51:53.200 --> 0:51:56.840
<v Speaker 2>matter because he had thought Richardson he would like to

0:51:56.840 --> 0:51:59.360
<v Speaker 2>see him be utilized in a bit of the form

0:51:59.680 --> 0:52:04.400
<v Speaker 2>of a Hill has with the Saints. And I've often

0:52:04.440 --> 0:52:06.279
<v Speaker 2>wondered this too, and I thought Rick made a good

0:52:06.280 --> 0:52:10.080
<v Speaker 2>point as to why you you have this type of talent,

0:52:10.760 --> 0:52:13.040
<v Speaker 2>but obviously you have a lot of things that have

0:52:13.120 --> 0:52:16.440
<v Speaker 2>held him back from being that starter as we have witnessed.

0:52:16.800 --> 0:52:20.000
<v Speaker 2>And you have the the king of gamesmanship as a

0:52:20.040 --> 0:52:24.440
<v Speaker 2>coach in Gadgetry as an offensive coach. Why has he

0:52:24.520 --> 0:52:27.839
<v Speaker 2>not been utilized or why could he not be or

0:52:27.880 --> 0:52:30.600
<v Speaker 2>why does there not seem to be any interest in

0:52:30.760 --> 0:52:33.839
<v Speaker 2>Richardson Senior being utilized in that capacity?

0:52:35.000 --> 0:52:38.600
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, So I had this this very conversation with Rick,

0:52:38.640 --> 0:52:41.399
<v Speaker 6>and I tend to agree with him. I think that

0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:44.000
<v Speaker 6>if he's going to be on your roster, and you,

0:52:44.120 --> 0:52:48.120
<v Speaker 6>by now, if you're the Colts, you've paid him. I think, like,

0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:52.160
<v Speaker 6>I don't remember the number, but it's like almost thirty

0:52:52.200 --> 0:52:57.000
<v Speaker 6>million dollars, right, So what are we doing? You know

0:52:57.040 --> 0:52:59.680
<v Speaker 6>what I'm saying, like, let's get something out of it? Right,

0:52:59.760 --> 0:53:02.520
<v Speaker 6>So I'm totally in favor of that. I think he

0:53:02.719 --> 0:53:05.080
<v Speaker 6>not only could do it, but I think he would

0:53:05.080 --> 0:53:08.200
<v Speaker 6>add a wrinkle that teams have to prepare for, and

0:53:08.239 --> 0:53:11.600
<v Speaker 6>Shane loves that kind of thing. I also think that

0:53:12.960 --> 0:53:17.040
<v Speaker 6>when Richardson is on the field, the difference it makes

0:53:17.040 --> 0:53:20.120
<v Speaker 6>for Jonathan Taylor is huge. Now, Jonathan Taylor had a

0:53:20.120 --> 0:53:23.400
<v Speaker 6>great season last year without Anthony Richardson, So I'm not

0:53:23.480 --> 0:53:27.239
<v Speaker 6>saying that his success depends on this. But think about

0:53:27.280 --> 0:53:30.799
<v Speaker 6>short yardage situations. You get into a you know, and

0:53:30.840 --> 0:53:34.279
<v Speaker 6>this is where Shane loves to push the envelope and

0:53:35.000 --> 0:53:37.279
<v Speaker 6>at least show that he's going to go for it

0:53:37.400 --> 0:53:40.359
<v Speaker 6>right on fourth downs. You think about a fourth down

0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:44.400
<v Speaker 6>situation where third and short situation, you bring Anthony Richardson

0:53:44.400 --> 0:53:47.719
<v Speaker 6>into the game, you got Jonathan Taylor behind him, it's

0:53:47.760 --> 0:53:51.400
<v Speaker 6>third and short. If I'm the defense, this could be

0:53:51.480 --> 0:53:54.200
<v Speaker 6>read option, This could be just a straight you know,

0:53:54.320 --> 0:53:56.640
<v Speaker 6>running back dive. This could be I mean, it could

0:53:56.680 --> 0:53:59.319
<v Speaker 6>be anything, right and so, I mean he could roll

0:53:59.320 --> 0:54:03.600
<v Speaker 6>out and and throw it. You could talk about, you know,

0:54:03.640 --> 0:54:07.399
<v Speaker 6>putting the defense on its heels. I think that has

0:54:07.440 --> 0:54:10.840
<v Speaker 6>a lot of potential and it's got to be something

0:54:10.840 --> 0:54:13.080
<v Speaker 6>there at least thinking about you would think.

0:54:12.960 --> 0:54:16.799
<v Speaker 2>Well, he runs all that gadgetary with Tyler Warren. I

0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:20.799
<v Speaker 2>just he just he seems to me like he's the

0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:23.759
<v Speaker 2>king of that stuff. Yeah, I thought maybe you would

0:54:23.840 --> 0:54:27.080
<v Speaker 2>utilize it. It just doesn't seem like he has has

0:54:27.160 --> 0:54:28.799
<v Speaker 2>any interest whatsoever in doing that.

0:54:28.840 --> 0:54:33.720
<v Speaker 6>With Richardson so far hasn't been the case. I would say,

0:54:34.200 --> 0:54:39.120
<v Speaker 6>you saw it back with Jacoby Brissette when Andrew luck

0:54:39.200 --> 0:54:43.360
<v Speaker 6>got healthy. You saw Frank Reich find ways to utilize

0:54:43.440 --> 0:54:47.560
<v Speaker 6>Jacoby Brissette, who, by the way, is probably like twenty

0:54:47.600 --> 0:54:51.680
<v Speaker 6>percent the athlete that Anthony Richardson is. Okay, and I

0:54:51.760 --> 0:54:55.480
<v Speaker 6>love Jacoby, but like, let's be honest, right, Jacoby was

0:54:55.840 --> 0:54:58.480
<v Speaker 6>big and powerful, and he was good at the QB

0:54:58.600 --> 0:55:02.400
<v Speaker 6>sneaks and that kind of thing. But the potential and

0:55:02.440 --> 0:55:07.480
<v Speaker 6>the possibilities with Anthony Richardson in those situations are far

0:55:07.520 --> 0:55:11.040
<v Speaker 6>greater than they were with Jacobe Brissett, and they used

0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:14.400
<v Speaker 6>that option I thought, you know, pretty regularly. So different

0:55:14.400 --> 0:55:16.839
<v Speaker 6>coaching staff obviously, but I'm just saying, as a point

0:55:16.880 --> 0:55:17.960
<v Speaker 6>of comparison, I agree with you.

0:55:18.200 --> 0:55:20.920
<v Speaker 1>What is up with the Charvarius ward Back situation?

0:55:21.560 --> 0:55:28.160
<v Speaker 6>Oh God, hopefully not much. No one's given a lot

0:55:28.200 --> 0:55:31.600
<v Speaker 6>of clarity about it, which is I'm not saying, yeah,

0:55:31.640 --> 0:55:35.240
<v Speaker 6>I'm not saying like he's he's done I have no idea,

0:55:35.320 --> 0:55:38.799
<v Speaker 6>but I would love somebody to be like, hey, you know,

0:55:38.920 --> 0:55:42.480
<v Speaker 6>call off the dogs. He's okay, this is not serious.

0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:44.680
<v Speaker 6>And I just wish someone would say that, and they

0:55:44.719 --> 0:55:48.920
<v Speaker 6>have not so far. It's just that, you know, we're

0:55:49.000 --> 0:55:55.120
<v Speaker 6>monitoring him, we're evaluating him now, you know, Devil's advocate, Okay,

0:55:55.760 --> 0:55:59.279
<v Speaker 6>he is so important to this whole thing, and and

0:55:59.320 --> 0:56:03.839
<v Speaker 6>I think his situation is so delicate right after last year.

0:56:03.960 --> 0:56:07.759
<v Speaker 6>Yes that if he's got a broken nail, he's not

0:56:07.840 --> 0:56:09.719
<v Speaker 6>going to be out there, right. I mean, you have

0:56:09.800 --> 0:56:14.359
<v Speaker 6>to assume that even if he's ninety five percent and

0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:17.160
<v Speaker 6>we're a month out from the season, you probably tell

0:56:17.239 --> 0:56:19.719
<v Speaker 6>him take a couple more days, big guy, you know,

0:56:19.880 --> 0:56:23.160
<v Speaker 6>So I understand being I would be, I would be

0:56:23.200 --> 0:56:28.920
<v Speaker 6>in favor of being unbelievably cautious, overly cautious with him.

0:56:29.239 --> 0:56:31.880
<v Speaker 6>That being said, I just would like to have some

0:56:31.920 --> 0:56:34.520
<v Speaker 6>peace of mind, or hear some peace of mind that

0:56:34.680 --> 0:56:36.200
<v Speaker 6>this is not going to be a long term thing.

0:56:36.920 --> 0:56:39.839
<v Speaker 6>I mean, he is a thirty year old corner and

0:56:40.880 --> 0:56:43.160
<v Speaker 6>you know that's when things start to crop up and

0:56:43.200 --> 0:56:46.319
<v Speaker 6>they don't heal us quickly and so age it's not

0:56:46.360 --> 0:56:49.480
<v Speaker 6>on the concussions, but also age is something we can't

0:56:49.560 --> 0:56:51.080
<v Speaker 6>completely overlook there as well.

0:56:52.040 --> 0:56:54.800
<v Speaker 2>The one thing that concerns me more than anything else,

0:56:55.040 --> 0:56:59.600
<v Speaker 2>and it is completely understandable, is what he has been

0:56:59.680 --> 0:57:03.439
<v Speaker 2>through and the fact that he had, according to him

0:57:03.680 --> 0:57:06.080
<v Speaker 2>for a various ward, he had a foot out the door.

0:57:06.800 --> 0:57:10.520
<v Speaker 2>He had a foot into retirement. That is always a

0:57:10.560 --> 0:57:13.960
<v Speaker 2>concern because it has often been said and measured that

0:57:14.040 --> 0:57:17.280
<v Speaker 2>if you've had a foot in retirement, then your entire

0:57:17.320 --> 0:57:19.520
<v Speaker 2>body is and it makes it easier to make that

0:57:19.680 --> 0:57:23.840
<v Speaker 2>decision the next time it swings around that that among

0:57:24.160 --> 0:57:27.200
<v Speaker 2>just what he has gone through, and again understandably so

0:57:28.280 --> 0:57:30.160
<v Speaker 2>is one of my major concerns.

0:57:30.800 --> 0:57:33.080
<v Speaker 6>I mean, look, I don't know, I think you're being

0:57:33.120 --> 0:57:34.880
<v Speaker 6>a little dramatic. I mean, have you ever seen a

0:57:34.920 --> 0:57:36.520
<v Speaker 6>guy retire in training camp?

0:57:38.120 --> 0:57:44.200
<v Speaker 2>I well, too soon? Yeah, thanks, thanks, yeah.

0:57:43.280 --> 0:57:44.960
<v Speaker 6>But no, I mean I get it, and I'm not

0:57:45.000 --> 0:57:48.320
<v Speaker 6>to be flipping about you know, Mooney's situation certainly, like

0:57:48.360 --> 0:57:51.280
<v Speaker 6>I mean, a tragic situation two years ago with his daughter,

0:57:51.960 --> 0:57:55.200
<v Speaker 6>But you know, I think this is that's that's still

0:57:55.240 --> 0:57:58.440
<v Speaker 6>a factor. But this is also I think his his

0:57:58.480 --> 0:58:02.200
<v Speaker 6>circumstances right now are mostly about like do you still

0:58:02.240 --> 0:58:06.040
<v Speaker 6>want to do this? Do you still love this? And

0:58:06.040 --> 0:58:09.400
<v Speaker 6>and the thought of walking away from it apparently reinforced

0:58:09.440 --> 0:58:13.480
<v Speaker 6>to him that he does. And I was heartened the

0:58:13.560 --> 0:58:17.200
<v Speaker 6>last time I talked to him, the way he talked about,

0:58:17.680 --> 0:58:21.960
<v Speaker 6>you know, his his appreciation and his zeal for being

0:58:22.000 --> 0:58:24.840
<v Speaker 6>out there. It made me feel like, all right, he's

0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:28.040
<v Speaker 6>really into this now, right. And and he mentioned how,

0:58:28.640 --> 0:58:31.400
<v Speaker 6>you know, when he started his offseason workouts on his own,

0:58:31.480 --> 0:58:35.280
<v Speaker 6>his private workouts, how you know, he was working out

0:58:35.280 --> 0:58:39.720
<v Speaker 6>with other NFL players and younger players and running circles

0:58:39.720 --> 0:58:40.160
<v Speaker 6>around him.

0:58:40.320 --> 0:58:41.240
<v Speaker 3>And I believe him.

0:58:41.280 --> 0:58:43.080
<v Speaker 6>You know, he looks good out there when he's healthy,

0:58:43.520 --> 0:58:46.680
<v Speaker 6>and so he really got sort of like energized by that.

0:58:46.760 --> 0:58:51.080
<v Speaker 6>So he mentally he has been in a really good place. Okay,

0:58:51.760 --> 0:58:55.640
<v Speaker 6>but you know, those these little things, these little setbacks,

0:58:55.680 --> 0:58:58.440
<v Speaker 6>you know, they're they're not good for for that mental state,

0:58:58.480 --> 0:59:02.200
<v Speaker 6>you would imagine, you know, So hopefully nothing serious.

0:59:02.800 --> 0:59:05.720
<v Speaker 2>Stephen Holder of esp and ESPN dot Com Talking Colts

0:59:05.760 --> 0:59:09.320
<v Speaker 2>will be up at Droplight at Grant Park, Westfield coming

0:59:09.400 --> 0:59:12.240
<v Speaker 2>up on Thursday for this show, and DeForest Buckner will

0:59:12.320 --> 0:59:16.000
<v Speaker 2>join us. This question is not about Deforce Buckner, however,

0:59:16.120 --> 0:59:21.680
<v Speaker 2>it is about defensive line and Kayden Curry. I'm biased.

0:59:21.760 --> 0:59:23.280
<v Speaker 2>I want to see him and I want to see

0:59:23.320 --> 0:59:27.680
<v Speaker 2>him thrive. I was really excited the way that he played.

0:59:27.760 --> 0:59:29.920
<v Speaker 2>And the one thing Stephen that I brought up is

0:59:30.360 --> 0:59:34.280
<v Speaker 2>in comparison to that of Fernando Mendoza, they both in

0:59:34.480 --> 0:59:37.840
<v Speaker 2>situations look like they did when they played at the

0:59:37.960 --> 0:59:42.440
<v Speaker 2>highest levels in college. What was the colt's impression on

0:59:42.560 --> 0:59:47.000
<v Speaker 2>the debut of Curry from what you've heard, Well, I.

0:59:46.920 --> 0:59:49.400
<v Speaker 6>Mean, I think that's a huge step for him, right,

0:59:49.680 --> 0:59:54.160
<v Speaker 6>And you know, the question for Curry, I think was

0:59:54.640 --> 0:59:58.160
<v Speaker 6>he is he quick enough and and sort of you know,

0:59:58.800 --> 1:00:01.880
<v Speaker 6>athletic enough to win on the edge. And then the

1:00:01.920 --> 1:00:03.960
<v Speaker 6>other question was if you move him inside, is he

1:00:04.000 --> 1:00:07.600
<v Speaker 6>big enough and strong enough to win in there? And

1:00:07.800 --> 1:00:10.280
<v Speaker 6>you know, he ends up a lot or guys like him,

1:00:10.480 --> 1:00:13.440
<v Speaker 6>they end up being a tweener, right, which is you know,

1:00:13.720 --> 1:00:15.800
<v Speaker 6>you know, no one wants to ever be there, right.

1:00:16.640 --> 1:00:19.720
<v Speaker 6>But I think what he did was he at least

1:00:19.720 --> 1:00:23.200
<v Speaker 6>demonstrated that, like there's a role that he could potentially fill,

1:00:23.920 --> 1:00:26.920
<v Speaker 6>and it's it's a third down pass rush role. And

1:00:27.280 --> 1:00:30.120
<v Speaker 6>if you can achieve that, now he's still not there, right,

1:00:30.160 --> 1:00:32.800
<v Speaker 6>He's got to do it against you know, the second

1:00:32.880 --> 1:00:37.000
<v Speaker 6>the first and second deef excuse me, first and second offenses.

1:00:37.360 --> 1:00:40.280
<v Speaker 6>He's kind of mostly been second team, third team so far.

1:00:40.600 --> 1:00:43.560
<v Speaker 6>But if he if he can show that he warrants

1:00:43.600 --> 1:00:47.880
<v Speaker 6>some opportunity against better competition, and then he does it

1:00:47.920 --> 1:00:51.640
<v Speaker 6>again against that better competition, well, now you're cooking with gas.

1:00:51.680 --> 1:00:54.000
<v Speaker 6>So I think that, to me is the question, and

1:00:54.040 --> 1:00:55.800
<v Speaker 6>that has to be the next step. If you're the Colts,

1:00:56.280 --> 1:00:59.000
<v Speaker 6>now you've got to find out. Okay, he did it

1:00:59.040 --> 1:01:03.200
<v Speaker 6>against those backup, well, give him a chance, right, Let's

1:01:03.200 --> 1:01:05.440
<v Speaker 6>see if he can go do it against the big boys,

1:01:05.800 --> 1:01:07.840
<v Speaker 6>and that's going to be the next step in the

1:01:07.840 --> 1:01:11.360
<v Speaker 6>progression for him. But I think you it gave them

1:01:11.920 --> 1:01:14.680
<v Speaker 6>a vision for what he can be and what he

1:01:14.720 --> 1:01:17.000
<v Speaker 6>can do, because you know, we talk a lot about

1:01:17.040 --> 1:01:21.240
<v Speaker 6>what guys can't do good coaches, and Shane has I

1:01:21.320 --> 1:01:23.720
<v Speaker 6>talked to him about this. He's like, you know, good

1:01:23.760 --> 1:01:28.200
<v Speaker 6>coaching is finding out what someone can do, which you know, frankly,

1:01:28.360 --> 1:01:30.720
<v Speaker 6>that kind of relates back to the Anthony Richardson conversation.

1:01:30.800 --> 1:01:35.439
<v Speaker 6>I suppose, right, But anyhow, I digress, But I think

1:01:35.520 --> 1:01:37.640
<v Speaker 6>that's what they got to do here. I love the

1:01:37.760 --> 1:01:42.680
<v Speaker 6>idea of getting him more reps against better competition, and

1:01:42.800 --> 1:01:44.280
<v Speaker 6>let's see if he can do it. If he can't

1:01:44.320 --> 1:01:46.120
<v Speaker 6>do it, maybe he goes to the practice squad and

1:01:46.160 --> 1:01:49.040
<v Speaker 6>we try again next year. Right, but let him try.

1:01:49.640 --> 1:01:52.600
<v Speaker 6>And they need it, They need all the contributions they

1:01:52.600 --> 1:01:53.760
<v Speaker 6>can get up front right now.

1:01:54.320 --> 1:01:56.960
<v Speaker 2>So, Steven Older of ESPN and ESPN dot com, I

1:01:57.000 --> 1:01:59.800
<v Speaker 2>will see you up at drop Light Grand Park coming

1:01:59.880 --> 1:02:02.520
<v Speaker 2>up on Thursday. Man, thanks as always for hopping on here.

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<v Speaker 6>All right, you got it, Stephen Holder

1:02:04.880 --> 1:02:07.040
<v Speaker 2>Of ESPN on ESPN dot com some the Andy Moore

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