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Speaker 2: And Mike C Town Yo and of course Kenneth B
Speaker 2: and how you doing? Man? Hello?
Speaker 3: And you now tune into the frames per Second Podcast?
Speaker 3: And in this episode, we are continuing on with our
Speaker 3: weekly recaps of the hit HBO Max original series coming
Speaker 3: from the Game of Thrones universe titled House of the Dragon,
Speaker 3: with this recap being dedicated to episode well, season three,
Speaker 3: episode seven titled The Dragon in Winter. We got a
Speaker 3: lot to discuss, as y'all know, this is my favorite
Speaker 3: episode of a season, the penn ultimate episode. But I
Speaker 3: got to start off with a person who wasn't with
Speaker 3: us in the last recap. Mike definitely wanted to get
Speaker 3: your thoughts on last episode and what you thought about
Speaker 3: this episode, of course, so I'll start off with you.
Speaker 2: Last week's was great. I thought, I really really enjoyed it.
Speaker 5: I especially enjoyed seeing Christian Cole spitch ass get done up.
Speaker 5: That ship was lovely. I wasn't expecting that at all.
Speaker 5: I literally said, oh when the first arrow hit that ship,
Speaker 5: I was shit, that's a way to go out like
Speaker 5: a little simp.
Speaker 2: And he's holding her a little little rat. That was
Speaker 2: what it was, Mike, It was. It was.
Speaker 3: It was that because I thought I was he was
Speaker 3: gonna go out like a g when he pulled it out, like,
Speaker 3: at least he going out like a g bro. He
Speaker 3: was already talking about some fight me two on one
Speaker 3: with my hand tied behind my back.
Speaker 2: I was like, nigga, get the fuck shot up in
Speaker 2: the eye.
Speaker 5: So I was like, this is a lovely way to
Speaker 5: start an episode, and then it was an awful way
Speaker 5: to end it because my boy, my boy got stashed up.
Speaker 5: But no, last week's was great and this week's was great.
Speaker 5: I'm here. This is shaping up now. The only thing
Speaker 5: that concerns me is we have one episode left, so
Speaker 5: that means we're going to be left on a huge cliffhanger,
Speaker 5: which I don't really like, but it is what it is.
Speaker 3: I want to bring that point up again later on
Speaker 3: because I don't think it'll be that huge of a
Speaker 3: cliffhanger for how much went down this episode.
Speaker 2: But Lou, I want to get your overall thoughts on
Speaker 2: this episode.
Speaker 6: Good episode man, Like you said the last two weeks
Speaker 6: for good set up episodes, I feel like a lot
Speaker 6: of payoffs came in this episode. Also, it's set up
Speaker 6: for good for the season finale. Some of the things
Speaker 6: that we've been guessing at we've gotten to see play out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought this is a good episode. Now you agree, Yeah, it.
Speaker 7: Was a good episode.
Speaker 8: I think what you said we talked about, like the
Speaker 8: fact that we only have one more left and there's
Speaker 8: still so many different little subplots that need to come together.
Speaker 7: I think that I was left a little I don't
Speaker 7: know if anxious is the.
Speaker 8: Right word, underwhelmed is the right word, but I was
Speaker 8: just kind of like, how are they gonna close this
Speaker 8: season out?
Speaker 7: But other than that, I thought it was really good.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Are you in agreement as far as like thinking that
Speaker 3: there's gonna be a big, huge cliffhanger even though we
Speaker 3: all know we have a fourth season that I think
Speaker 3: is the final season to come, so of course we
Speaker 3: still have to have things for that stuff to happen.
Speaker 2: But with this season, do you think they'll stick the laning.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it'll be a big cliff hanger, but
Speaker 9: for some reason, I think it'll be a satisfying cliffhanger.
Speaker 7: So I think I'm more along with Spike, like the
Speaker 7: setup paid off to.
Speaker 9: Right now, and I think it's gonna close really well
Speaker 9: without it, you know what I'm saying, with good anticipation
Speaker 9: for the next season, especially if this is going to
Speaker 9: be the last season.
Speaker 7: So I'm not I don't mind us getting.
Speaker 9: To a to a place where it's like, dang, I
Speaker 9: can't wait to see what happened next, as long as
Speaker 9: it's not annoyingly like that. I don't think it will be.
Speaker 9: I think I think I think it'll be a solid,
Speaker 9: a solid season closer.
Speaker 2: What are you all over our thoughts? Cam?
Speaker 1: I'm ready, man, I'm ready for next week. I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be really good. I think this episode did
Speaker 1: a good job of building up anticipation for me.
Speaker 2: So I thought this was.
Speaker 1: Really really great and they did a good job of
Speaker 1: setting the board.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed this episode too. I thought this definitely was
Speaker 3: like a wake up call to a lot of characters.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of them got cussed out, either
Speaker 3: politely or just blatantly in this episode.
Speaker 2: And we'll get to it.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna break this this recap up into like
Speaker 3: sections of like let's just talk about how everything went
Speaker 3: down to each section to cover it all. So we
Speaker 3: start off this episode with us viewing Helene and one
Speaker 3: of her coke dreams. But then she's woken up, like
Speaker 3: really quickly by Rania, who interrogates her about, you know,
Speaker 3: being a dreamer. Quote unquote, Mike, what did you think
Speaker 3: about this opening scene?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Kicking off with a dream is fine. The dreams were
Speaker 5: kind of weird. I don't I'm hoping y'all can explain
Speaker 5: what they meant, because the only thing I got is
Speaker 5: that Helena asked about to die.
Speaker 2: But I don't know that's right.
Speaker 5: But I mean, yeah, it was. It was a nice
Speaker 5: way to kick it off. I'm just not sure what
Speaker 5: those dreams meant.
Speaker 3: And you're talking about all the dreams too, right with
Speaker 3: her on the dragon, her giving birth, and her being
Speaker 3: at that farm when the winter's the birth.
Speaker 5: One was kind of self explanatory. But being on that
Speaker 5: farm feeding chickens and shit. I was like, I don't understand,
Speaker 5: what what are we doing right now? And then it
Speaker 5: was like the sun was going down in the background.
Speaker 5: It was like a weird color. I just think she's
Speaker 5: about to die.
Speaker 2: Well, you remember she said that earlier in the seasons,
Speaker 2: that's what she wanted to do.
Speaker 5: There was no gosh, I don't remember. You have to
Speaker 5: that's what we need you for. Man, I don't remember
Speaker 5: it all.
Speaker 2: So what happened?
Speaker 6: She said that that was one of her dreams. When
Speaker 6: I asked what she wanted to do, like go be
Speaker 6: on a farm and raise chickens. Of course she said
Speaker 6: that specific right. Still to your point, you're right, like,
Speaker 6: I don't know what it means, but it's clearly stating
Speaker 6: at something because she said this earlier this season about
Speaker 6: wanting to feed the chickens and stuff.
Speaker 3: Okay, Lou, how did you take Brenera in the beginning
Speaker 3: of this episode? Well, in what sense as far as
Speaker 3: her interrogating Elena and how aggressive she was.
Speaker 6: Stupid like she's been the whole season, like she trying
Speaker 6: to get something from her, but she pressing her in
Speaker 6: a man like ain't no out of there to play good? Cop,
Speaker 6: Like she's just being a bad cop and you're trying
Speaker 6: to get information from her.
Speaker 2: She's not gonna give it to you.
Speaker 6: She think you crazy, like you literally came here through
Speaker 6: her family off the throne. Now you got her held hostage.
Speaker 6: You're trying to take her kid, or her at least
Speaker 6: her mom telling you gonna take her kid. And you
Speaker 6: can't even figure out a way to be like peaceful
Speaker 6: enough for her to be manipulated into telling you what
Speaker 6: she's thinking, like.
Speaker 2: You just full force go with it. So it's stupid
Speaker 2: on right here. As far.
Speaker 3: You feel like she woke up later like ghost did Tarik.
Speaker 9: Nah for sure, Like yeah, it was a little annoying,
Speaker 9: like she just has no no.
Speaker 7: Real like.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, she has no tack man. So it's just
Speaker 9: like you're just like just frustrated with it. And I've
Speaker 9: never been this frustrated with her. Always liked the personally.
Speaker 7: But now yeah, they are, they are making.
Speaker 9: Her out to be just the just the fuck up
Speaker 9: all those As far as the dreams and stuff, I
Speaker 9: thought the winter is coming thing was pretty pretty self
Speaker 9: explanatory when you say the sun was going down and
Speaker 9: the snows.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm used to it, Nick, I'm used to it.
Speaker 2: They both got me like that yesterday. Nick. It's not
Speaker 2: I know, because.
Speaker 7: I don't know the baby one that you said, I don't.
Speaker 7: I don't.
Speaker 9: That's the one that I didn't know, the baby one,
Speaker 9: but I did. I did figure that the last one
Speaker 9: was more about the winner's common type of thing.
Speaker 5: So yeah, well, the baby one, I assume it's just
Speaker 5: she's afraid that when she gives birth, they're gonna kill
Speaker 5: the baby.
Speaker 2: That one was easy for me.
Speaker 5: It was the other stuff that it was the chicken
Speaker 5: thing that I just didn't understand.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 5: I wasn't think about the weather part, the winter. I
Speaker 5: didn't even I thought it was ash.
Speaker 3: With my stupid ass, so I thought like it was
Speaker 3: the dragons like the ash.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I thought it was. I didn't even
Speaker 5: realize it was winter. Jill Rod said it because she
Speaker 5: didn't looked cold.
Speaker 6: Yeah, either, because the same thing happened to daddy when
Speaker 6: she was somewhere and she had those visitors. It was
Speaker 6: ash falling down and people thought it was snow.
Speaker 2: There you go, see, I'm not that dumb.
Speaker 7: Rode.
Speaker 3: Did you do you feel like Grena is starting to
Speaker 3: show her true self or has she been altered like
Speaker 3: Helena mentioned in that scene.
Speaker 7: I think both can be true.
Speaker 8: I think that her situation is amplifying who she has kind.
Speaker 7: Of been all along.
Speaker 8: I feel that I kind of echo Rod, like I'm
Speaker 8: I'm teamer Nira, I've been team Raniera, and this episode
Speaker 8: was the first time I was like, damn, I think
Speaker 8: she might have got it wrong all this time, like
Speaker 8: like even down to jays and and him not wanting
Speaker 8: her to get the bastards to ride the dragon. I'm like, damn,
Speaker 8: I feel like you should have been listening to these
Speaker 8: other folks this whole time there, and it's now all
Speaker 8: starting to fall apart in front of your face, and
Speaker 8: you losing it and trying to shape these dreams out
Speaker 8: of slow ass and like, what are you doing when
Speaker 8: you losing it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I think she was desperate.
Speaker 9: I think a lot of decisions that she makes out
Speaker 9: of desperation, and it's clouding, clouding her choices.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's.
Speaker 6: The state that they've had her in all seasons, and
Speaker 6: I just don't like it. I don't think that she's
Speaker 6: been there the previous two seasons that we've been watching
Speaker 6: is but this season in particular, like every episode, I
Speaker 6: feel like we talked about just her level of angst
Speaker 6: and desperation and like she's just doing stuff off the custom.
Speaker 6: It just don't it don't seem right. It don't seem
Speaker 6: like she's gonna win this way He's.
Speaker 9: I think I think my thing with Grenier is that
Speaker 9: I have like empathy for it because I keep thinking
Speaker 9: about how she's lost children and this whole thing. I
Speaker 9: think we forget that she that she that she lost
Speaker 9: his children, and she's she's, uh, she's responding off of
Speaker 9: emotion because of that. So she's just so that just
Speaker 9: feeling like something was taken from her, for like the
Speaker 9: throne was just taken from hers. So I think all
Speaker 9: of those things coupled together is like kind of altering
Speaker 9: her decisions.
Speaker 5: Do you ever wonder how much she actually cares that
Speaker 5: she lost her kids. I was, I haven't really questioned
Speaker 5: that until this episode. I was like, I don't know
Speaker 5: how much she really cares about that. It seems like
Speaker 5: she cares more about revenge for losing her kids and
Speaker 5: getting the thrown back.
Speaker 6: And I think that speaks to a little bit last week, Mike,
Speaker 6: when we were talking about you I know you weren't
Speaker 6: here when her son came back and they were telling
Speaker 6: her age such and such as back.
Speaker 2: I think it was it's Jeoffrey. Yes, Jeoffrey's back and
Speaker 2: he wants to see you. She didn't care. I won't
Speaker 2: say she didn't care.
Speaker 3: I just think it's like she just lost so much
Speaker 3: she doesn't want to She's scared to get attached to them.
Speaker 3: I think right now, Nay, I don't know if you
Speaker 3: agree with this point, but like her justification for all
Speaker 3: the things she's done is the fact, like this is
Speaker 3: this all has to mean something like I can't have
Speaker 3: their death mean nothing.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think it's a combination between revenge and just being
Speaker 3: right as far as like my dad told me, I
Speaker 3: was the heir, I have the bloodline, I am a
Speaker 3: targe area, and I was able to get the kings land,
Speaker 3: like I have to justify the fact that I'm supposed
Speaker 3: to be here because everybody, because I've been planning to
Speaker 3: be here my whole life, no matter what I've lost,
Speaker 3: I have to prove that I'm here.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think, and I think you can even go
Speaker 8: back further, like this all started with her mother's death
Speaker 8: like her mother died giving in it, trying to get
Speaker 8: birth to an air to the throne.
Speaker 7: So she's trying to make all of this makes sense.
Speaker 8: And I think that, yeah, to your point, I don't
Speaker 8: think it's so much that she doesn't care about the
Speaker 8: fact that she's lost children. It's just, you know how people
Speaker 8: be so hurt that they just become angry and just
Speaker 8: bitter people. I think that's where she is. She's been
Speaker 8: driven by the vengeance because she is so hurt by
Speaker 8: all of the losses.
Speaker 3: She's in the work and Ken, I forgot the last
Speaker 3: episode she pricked her finger on the throne and Lou,
Speaker 3: I think that's an omen for like some bad stuff
Speaker 3: is about happen.
Speaker 6: You mean the throne not accepting your ruler ship. You
Speaker 6: sul just pricked Jeoffrey all the time, and it was
Speaker 6: somebody else, might have been the Mad King.
Speaker 2: You ever, Saiah's got he got pricked and mad King
Speaker 2: got pricked as well. I don't remember Jeoffrey, I believe Spike,
Speaker 2: but I don't remember that. Can Did you see what
Speaker 2: Helena was sewing in bed? No?
Speaker 1: You know, and maybe at some point Ranera will fear
Speaker 1: that that out, But I doubt it. I think she's
Speaker 1: trying to force answers out her for her out of
Speaker 1: clear frustration, and she just fat up and I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna send her over the edge.
Speaker 2: And we we.
Speaker 1: I think we got a preview of that earlier when
Speaker 1: she was trying to shake the ship out of Elena
Speaker 1: until she got that kung fu grip and then she.
Speaker 2: Kind of let go and walked away.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I think that's I think that's what
Speaker 1: I think Elena, I mean, not Elena, but Ranera is
Speaker 1: turning and.
Speaker 2: We'll see where it goes.
Speaker 1: But she's being forced into this person that she clearly
Speaker 1: does not want to be.
Speaker 2: But it's almost like she's left no other choice.
Speaker 1: And the other thing I was trying to figure out
Speaker 1: is like, does does Elena have a dragon already?
Speaker 2: Yeah? She did. Frustrated, she don't want to she never
Speaker 2: wrote it. Yeah, she don't want to ride herself. She
Speaker 2: liked Ranier a dad. Is that why she said that
Speaker 2: slow extra cars?
Speaker 6: Yeah, don't don't have no she has no practice in
Speaker 6: riding her drag. You asked him just now, did he
Speaker 6: pay attention to the thing that she was making it
Speaker 6: a big Yeah. The tapestry. How realistic y'all think it
Speaker 6: ain't nobody paid attentions.
Speaker 5: I think it's very realistic because she is yeah, well
Speaker 5: well that and just Ranera is not. Ever, she never
Speaker 5: slows down enough to think about shit like and and
Speaker 5: I think Allison thinks she's crazy.
Speaker 2: She's probably not really looking at it like that.
Speaker 5: And plus, I mean to be honest, if it's the same,
Speaker 5: if it's the same tapestry that we're seeing every day
Speaker 5: or every episode or whatever, that shit is confusing as
Speaker 5: fuck to me. Anyway, I can't follow it. Stop doing that.
Speaker 5: I can see your face now, your camera over you
Speaker 5: given you've given him all the looks.
Speaker 3: Of the teacher, like a teacher trying to got a kids.
Speaker 2: It was like she had a pole baby sign.
Speaker 6: It was like it was like she was holding up
Speaker 6: the pole baby sign.
Speaker 7: That's not what it was.
Speaker 2: So that you got to answer, you figured it out.
Speaker 8: My question was I was gonna ask, is that supposed
Speaker 8: Is that supposed to be alluding to the fact that
Speaker 8: it's Aiming's baby.
Speaker 5: I thought she said it was, did she didn't they
Speaker 5: say that episode before last?
Speaker 7: I don't think we know what daddy is.
Speaker 5: The baby daddy is the burnt up Oh, I get
Speaker 5: aiming and agon mixed up? Which one is the burnt
Speaker 5: up face? Say?
Speaker 2: Did she? I thought?
Speaker 4: I'm assuming that the tapestry is like aiming in in the.
Speaker 10: Mom But I think the tapestry is her hm trying
Speaker 10: to convey the events that she's seeing in her dreams
Speaker 10: and they're happening beforehand and it's right there.
Speaker 6: And people can have access to them and see them,
Speaker 6: but nobody knows what the fuck they are. Yes, that's crazy,
Speaker 6: that's crazy.
Speaker 3: But the crazy thing is I think Allison is aware
Speaker 3: that she can see the future. But I think it's
Speaker 3: just like again, you just don't want to look exactly,
Speaker 3: just like Banier. It's like it's not a you asked
Speaker 3: the question, you get an answer. It's like you really
Speaker 3: got to like just read the room, no pun intended,
Speaker 3: Like you have to really just follow and just try
Speaker 3: to put the pieces together. Because what Ranier was like,
Speaker 3: all right, so what's up with aim and where he at?
Speaker 2: All?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: What about the White Wolves and some other ship? And
Speaker 2: Helena is like nigga.
Speaker 6: I don't say exactly what it seems like someone, but
Speaker 6: I guess either Mike or and they said that no
Speaker 6: one's really paying enough attention to her to be like,
Speaker 6: what is this that you're doing? What does this mean?
Speaker 6: What does this mean? What does this mean? Everybody talking
Speaker 6: riddles because she talking riddles? Can't something got to her?
Speaker 5: But everything on the show is a riddle, though, Like
Speaker 5: everything is a damn riddle. Like they listen to this
Speaker 5: song of Ice and Fire ship. That shit's a fucking riddle.
Speaker 5: So it's like, why wouldn't they listen to Helena or
Speaker 5: at least give it a shot.
Speaker 11: Yeah, just the lack of interest in her is is
Speaker 11: pretty telling to me, especially now that you have someone
Speaker 11: who is paying attention to her and nar and she's
Speaker 11: just like trying to force it out of versus like
Speaker 11: having a genuine observation, which I feel like a lot
Speaker 11: of Game of Thrones characters would have, because.
Speaker 7: She's desperate for answer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she needs the answers now. She can't wait.
Speaker 5: I mean they're on that, so okay, so she's she's
Speaker 5: making the tapestry, so every week we're seeing the tapestry
Speaker 5: in real time.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah on the opening credits, So I'm.
Speaker 5: Kind of, yeah, this doesn't really make any sense that
Speaker 5: they wouldn't look at the tapestry.
Speaker 2: She has to be spending hell of time. What else
Speaker 2: does she do?
Speaker 6: She don't think nothing else that somebody at some point
Speaker 6: would be like, well, what are you doing right there?
Speaker 5: At least that's what I would think. They deserve what
Speaker 5: they get if they're not paying attention.
Speaker 2: Like that, y'all know, y'all got and damn, well, won't
Speaker 2: be looking at that. Damn I'd have been looking at that.
Speaker 2: Damn if I'm there.
Speaker 6: Hen, that's the only thing she do can every scene?
Speaker 6: She got that in her hand, Yep.
Speaker 4: But y'all, yeah, I don't. I think that's pretty true
Speaker 4: to life.
Speaker 8: Like it's like you can have like a kid whatever,
Speaker 8: shut the kid up and keep them from act.
Speaker 7: That's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 8: And in the point, you know they point, leave them
Speaker 8: alone and keep them moving.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But when she when she, I forget, who said, oh,
Speaker 2: she's a dreamer? Like? Is that that I think it
Speaker 2: was that I looked at like a.
Speaker 5: Dreamer is an actual thing in Game of Thrones, correct
Speaker 5: me from wrong, Spike. So it kind of means that
Speaker 5: they are they can see the future, put to a
Speaker 5: certain degree.
Speaker 2: So the second she said, oh, she must be a dreamer.
Speaker 5: She should have immediately went and said, okay, let me
Speaker 5: see these pictures you've been drawn. Let me go see
Speaker 5: what you've been putting together. It's just Ranera's not thinking.
Speaker 5: I get why other people like Damon and them wouldn't
Speaker 5: think about this, But Ranera, if you're so desperate, why
Speaker 5: wouldn't you be like, well, let me see what you
Speaker 5: got on this damn tapageing.
Speaker 2: What questions the.
Speaker 9: Question she's asking her like she's the only one that's
Speaker 9: literally asking her questions no one else was asking. Remember
Speaker 9: it was a complaint of ours at first, like man,
Speaker 9: ain't nobody paying attention to her? But now Banera's actually like, yo, no, okay, yeah,
Speaker 9: I know you know some shit like tell me instead
Speaker 9: of looking at the Temple Street.
Speaker 7: She's just like tell me, and when and when.
Speaker 2: She rushed it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think both of y'all are right, because she's
Speaker 6: like she knows it, like Rod saying, but to Mike's point,
Speaker 6: she like trying to rush it out and like it
Speaker 6: don't work that way, and she should know that based
Speaker 6: off her whole thing to want to be the princess
Speaker 6: and the little thing that's on the dagger that got
Speaker 6: the writing on there with her, Like the whole premise
Speaker 6: of her being Queen was when her dad told her, like,
Speaker 6: you got to be here when the White Walkers come.
Speaker 6: So you would think that she would be very sensitive
Speaker 6: to Helena's dreams versus trying to rush them out.
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Speaker 3: Well, speaking to somebody who's being sensitive of other things.
Speaker 3: We see that Aimin's physical therapy isn't going as well
Speaker 3: as he expected.
Speaker 2: We went to the next scene. Yeah, exactly, we see
Speaker 2: some uh some other things go down.
Speaker 3: Uh. I think we can discuss in the sensitive matter
Speaker 3: now I'm gonna start with you because I.
Speaker 2: Was curious to think.
Speaker 3: What was your takeaway from the scene when Aimin is
Speaker 3: dreaming about his mother returning to him.
Speaker 4: I'm so glad that it was a dream, but I
Speaker 4: still could have.
Speaker 7: Done without that.
Speaker 2: They didn't.
Speaker 3: They went, they went far. They they they almost didn't
Speaker 3: like passions.
Speaker 8: I was taking. I literally was like, no screen. I
Speaker 8: was very taken aback. I mean, I knew he had
Speaker 8: my issues, but and I mean we knew that, Like
Speaker 8: they could have showed that without showing it. But I
Speaker 8: know Rod asked Me's like, so she ain't a witch.
Speaker 8: I still don't think that happened.
Speaker 2: Now. That was Rod.
Speaker 3: That was a because at first I was just like, oh,
Speaker 3: they no, they're not gonna do it because Alison. Remember
Speaker 3: the last time he put pushed up on Alison, she
Speaker 3: was kind of like, what the fuck is you doing?
Speaker 3: Like my son, But this one she was like, I
Speaker 3: couldn't tell her she was playing along because that's the
Speaker 3: role she had to do to get close to him
Speaker 3: or whatever. But either, like they said, it was still crazy.
Speaker 3: But what was your thoughts on how that scene played out?
Speaker 1: Me?
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, same way.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 7: I was like, oh, my goodness.
Speaker 9: But I said, oh, she didn't wish when I realized
Speaker 9: it was more him, like kind of visualizing her as
Speaker 9: as as his mom. It was more so him and
Speaker 9: not her. Put like she thought that. Yeah, yeah, she
Speaker 9: thought he was looking at her, but now he's like,
Speaker 9: I got my mama, And yeah that was crazy, but yeah,
Speaker 9: I was doing like that like that.
Speaker 7: I can't actually was you?
Speaker 2: Was you surprised that he wanted to put a baby
Speaker 2: in there?
Speaker 7: Man, I'm not surprised.
Speaker 2: I mean we didn't say that. She said that though.
Speaker 2: That was.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, that was crazy.
Speaker 2: But y'all remember the same thing having a Damon when
Speaker 2: he was there. Yeah, he was sucking his mama. Mm hmm,
Speaker 2: it was mom. It was I didn't realize that, damn
Speaker 2: the all motherfuckers.
Speaker 6: So I said to say, it must be something it
Speaker 6: was his MoMA, It must be something she doing. Yeah,
Speaker 6: like it's something they doing there, like even though he
Speaker 6: had that experience. We had that experience with Damon the
Speaker 6: last time. But yeah, I think it was something with
Speaker 6: the castle more so than it is with them individually.
Speaker 9: I'm definitely leaning more towards y'all man. With the wish thing.
Speaker 9: I never thought about it. Uni, y'all brought it to
Speaker 9: our attention, so I'm definitely.
Speaker 2: Well, do you think she is or no? I still
Speaker 2: don't think she's a wish, though.
Speaker 9: More towards that she's not, Like I never had the
Speaker 9: thought until y'all said that, but now I'm leading more
Speaker 9: towards that she's not.
Speaker 3: Mike, you think it was an illusion from the witch
Speaker 3: or the castle.
Speaker 5: I still do think she's a witch, but I don't
Speaker 5: think that she did anything in this scene because she
Speaker 5: said right after that, she said like, what did you see?
Speaker 5: Tell me what you saw? She so clearly she didn't
Speaker 5: do it right. But the thing is, this didn't This
Speaker 5: didn't get me. I could tell the second it happened,
Speaker 5: like this is a dream because it was too simple
Speaker 5: and Alison is too like prudish to just give it
Speaker 5: up that easy, really quick, but fear one thing. But
Speaker 5: she and this she just laid down, was just like Okay,
Speaker 5: I didn't think start i'mdoing his pants?
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I was like, no, this is fake, this
Speaker 2: is fake.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I think it took me till they till she started
Speaker 8: doing all of that, I was like, oh no, But
Speaker 8: initially I was like, I know she ain't this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think she got that in her. She
Speaker 6: doesn't that and yet to your point too, now that's
Speaker 6: what kind of was. I was like, nah, she even
Speaker 6: though we know what she's going there to do, she
Speaker 6: ain't like this this could to be able to do it, which.
Speaker 3: Is why, which is why for me can Once I
Speaker 3: realized it was fake, I still realized that it was
Speaker 3: still real to him as far as his intentions, like
Speaker 3: what he was willing to do with her, And I'm like, bro,
Speaker 3: this this is crazy.
Speaker 2: He is like.
Speaker 3: That's insane, Like he wanted to get his mom pregnant.
Speaker 3: Like why do you keep saying that that's what she said,
Speaker 3: That's what she.
Speaker 2: She said that he didn't say that. She was like
Speaker 2: put a baby in that's what he wanted to do.
Speaker 2: Bro O here like all right, like Mike said, right now,
Speaker 2: did he was? That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: I don't think it was just him having a vision though.
Speaker 6: I think it had something to do with where he is,
Speaker 6: hence the damon having the same dream less.
Speaker 3: Before he got there, he was already kissing on his moles.
Speaker 3: Bro So it's not like it's not like coming out
Speaker 3: of nowhere. The reason why we the reason why we
Speaker 3: discarded Damon and stuff because we never seen anything with
Speaker 3: him being in factuated with his mom. So that's why
Speaker 3: we just chalked it off as a weird dream. But
Speaker 3: with him, it's like, oh no, that's true intention. That's
Speaker 3: why I'm like, I'm asking Ken. I'm like, Bro, like
Speaker 3: he only pulled out because it was the Witch.
Speaker 6: Two things can be true. I think two things can
Speaker 6: be true. No, he won a son brothers fike.
Speaker 2: I oh he with an uncle son?
Speaker 3: Bro was disgusting enough haters, Yeah, can do you think
Speaker 3: it's gonna end well with the Witch? Because she she's
Speaker 3: like begging to be a targarian, like almost too heavy,
Speaker 3: like like heavy hand.
Speaker 1: It's like all right, bro, he kind of like, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure, I really have no idea. They clearly have
Speaker 1: this this sort of thing that we saw later on
Speaker 1: where she's vying for his.
Speaker 2: Soul attention.
Speaker 1: But the mama popped up, and you know, mama's can
Speaker 1: sometimes in some relationship get in the way.
Speaker 13: Hey y'all love face be like, hey, hey, as the
Speaker 13: as the resident mother of this crew, I was thinking
Speaker 13: about what your thoughts was at that dinner that awkward
Speaker 13: didn't see with them three.
Speaker 8: Me from she looks dusty, what are we doing in
Speaker 8: this dusty ass castle?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 7: Why are you here?
Speaker 2: Son?
Speaker 3: And what I know about what most mamas don't like
Speaker 3: is when their son is theday a woman and she's
Speaker 3: answering more questions that when you're that, you're directed towards
Speaker 3: the son.
Speaker 7: She is his girlfriend.
Speaker 8: Don't have such a hard time because I'm not talking
Speaker 8: to you, young lady.
Speaker 7: I asked my son a question. Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, immediately knows that she has too much power, which
Speaker 8: with aiming is odd, right, normally, like aiming is like
Speaker 8: he's the wild card, Like nobody's really been able to
Speaker 8: keep him in line really like that to the point
Speaker 8: where she's been scared of him.
Speaker 4: So to see this other woman like be able to come.
Speaker 8: In and kind of have him like like on her strings,
Speaker 8: like puppet mastering him is weird. So I think Alison
Speaker 8: immediately know something right. That's what the same way Alice
Speaker 8: know something right with Alice.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah.
Speaker 3: Can I think they're very similar in age at least
Speaker 3: that's not I mean, all witches look older than what
Speaker 3: they probably are, but.
Speaker 2: Still, yeah, that's probably what it is.
Speaker 14: Didn't oh yeah, yeah, yeah, hey very much had the
Speaker 14: best disguise I was.
Speaker 3: I was going to ask you, m The relationship that
Speaker 3: was described between Aiming and the witch was surprising to
Speaker 3: me because Aiming was like, listen, we about to go
Speaker 3: get married next week. I'm about to stay here and
Speaker 3: here that I was like, I was like.
Speaker 7: Some eggs, and he was like, oh.
Speaker 2: I think that. I think eggs were just well the thing.
Speaker 5: Well, then I'm not gonna get to the ex part
Speaker 5: because I'm a little confused by the ex part.
Speaker 2: But the other stuff.
Speaker 5: I really do think she puts some kind of spell
Speaker 5: on him, because why would he want to just stay
Speaker 5: at heron hall.
Speaker 7: Spell?
Speaker 2: That's the magic stuff, Hey, mama, ain't it? Ain't she said?
Speaker 2: It feels like the womb, like like I'm trying to
Speaker 2: he said at home backwards he felt at home again.
Speaker 2: I'll go where you wouldn't, Mike.
Speaker 6: And I think the major thing in this turn had
Speaker 6: to do with the eggs, because he feels like that
Speaker 6: will make him more powerful than right here.
Speaker 2: If she's if she.
Speaker 6: Has these these drag dragon eggs, and I guess they
Speaker 6: have to be I don't know how dragon eggs hatch,
Speaker 6: but maybe they have to be in a relationship him
Speaker 6: in the witch and when they have sex, the eggs hatch.
Speaker 2: I could see.
Speaker 6: Damon, excuse me, aiming being who he is and wanting
Speaker 6: power and thinking that Raanira has her power from having
Speaker 6: five big dragons. That well, I got eggs for dragons
Speaker 6: right here. I'll just sit here, let the dragons grow,
Speaker 6: and then I'm gonna come take kings landy.
Speaker 2: But how long does that take? Because I can't remember.
Speaker 6: That's a really good point. I mean it took Danny
Speaker 6: with seven years to her dragons.
Speaker 2: Got that beat.
Speaker 5: See, he can't wait seven years for those dragons to
Speaker 5: hatch and then get adult for him to go take
Speaker 5: the throne.
Speaker 8: He'll sneak up on him.
Speaker 3: Hey, Rob, did you find it funny with Alison? I
Speaker 3: mean the Witch was like, Yo, Mama can't stay with us.
Speaker 3: All these plans I got Alu Jabama.
Speaker 7: Right still has because she's not a witch.
Speaker 2: Though I know right that, just so that does sounds
Speaker 2: like any kind of couple, like you.
Speaker 3: Know what, the wife don't like this mother, She's gonna
Speaker 3: show y'all next episode.
Speaker 9: Can stay with us. I know some women like that.
Speaker 9: But though how did she know that? She says she
Speaker 9: has a cloud around her.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. You you you can just say whatever.
Speaker 7: We say that all the time like that.
Speaker 8: She she like, yeah, no, it's a lot of people
Speaker 8: like I don't like her body.
Speaker 4: Always got some ship the same.
Speaker 7: I love your wonderful in laws.
Speaker 6: However, not everybody is in laws. What the what's the
Speaker 6: word around I can't be intuition. That's the word the
Speaker 6: women use. Intuition.
Speaker 2: Does she see a road block? That's what.
Speaker 7: She don't like me, Your mama don't like me. She
Speaker 7: messing up my plane.
Speaker 3: Well she was right kid, Yeah, but she was right kid,
Speaker 3: because Allison tried to get her with that crunk juice.
Speaker 2: It didn't work because he I mean, I thought it wasn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't know if it was a mistake for him
Speaker 3: to kill that guard that she that Allison came with.
Speaker 2: But it made sense because he was like, whatever, you
Speaker 2: don't know him.
Speaker 3: But the fact that she when she grabbed a knife
Speaker 3: out of his uh, from him, you know, from his person,
Speaker 3: I was like, she's not skilled enough to kill him
Speaker 3: with a knife. But then she saw those barriers, like
Speaker 3: oh yeah, she gonna poison a nigga. Did you think
Speaker 3: that she would go through with it after Amen was
Speaker 3: telling her like, actually, I'm the one to try to
Speaker 3: kill a god, you know, and I feel really bad
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was trying to get out of that castle.
Speaker 1: She saw him kill that guy in cold blood. I
Speaker 1: think that guy was supposed to kill him, and once
Speaker 1: he was dead, there was nobody to kill him. So
Speaker 1: she she had to abort and and get out of
Speaker 1: the castle. So she decided to just put him to sleep.
Speaker 1: I thought I thought it was some type of poison
Speaker 1: at first, and that was gonna be her way of
Speaker 1: doing it. But I guess night Shade is some sleepy
Speaker 1: juice or whatever. And then uh and Alice poison. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it is a poison.
Speaker 7: Yeah, everybody came in the kitchen.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, But she didn't give him enough to kill him. Then, well,
Speaker 2: it would probably take a little bit. It probably wouldn't.
Speaker 7: He wasn't there with Alice.
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, she got to probably give him something else
Speaker 6: to turn it around.
Speaker 2: She had to give him a light dose then.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I did think that was kind of stupid for her
Speaker 8: to just like drug him and while he's still wabbling around,
Speaker 8: like I thought her job was to kill him. Well,
Speaker 8: I didn't understand, especially knowing that there's somebody else in
Speaker 8: the castle with him, why she did that and bounced
Speaker 8: like that. I would have done that and then maybe
Speaker 8: stab them and then I hide.
Speaker 4: But I didn't get her point. I was like, Alison's
Speaker 4: at her job.
Speaker 6: I think they did that they so they could do
Speaker 6: like what either Nick or Ken said, as far as
Speaker 6: the finale for next season, that's gonna be something that
Speaker 6: they can land softly on what we won't be pressing
Speaker 6: him as much at the end of the season, and
Speaker 6: I think she'll find out at the end of the
Speaker 6: next episode that he's still alive, which is why they
Speaker 6: did it that way.
Speaker 1: I definitely think that's a terrible job. Your job was
Speaker 1: to kill Yeah, But I.
Speaker 6: Think from a writing standpoint and the show standpoint, they're
Speaker 6: trying to find, especially with as much backlass as they
Speaker 6: got last season, how they ended it and what they
Speaker 6: ended it on.
Speaker 2: I don't think they want those big cliffhangers.
Speaker 6: A cliffhanger like this where she finds out at the
Speaker 6: end of the episode that he's still alive. We not
Speaker 6: too pissed about that as fans, and it ain't that
Speaker 6: much that you hanging on to for the next season.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just if then I'm going back to
Speaker 1: where they were saying, if you were there to kill him,
Speaker 1: you got this night shade, you put it in this
Speaker 1: You're mak him some tea so special juice whatever she
Speaker 1: called it.
Speaker 2: He drinks it.
Speaker 1: You didn't put enough to put him out to where
Speaker 1: you can complete the job. You have the knife, he
Speaker 1: passes out and then you can slit his throat and
Speaker 1: then leave. But instead it's just enough for him to
Speaker 1: get up and stumble. So either so, I'm just confused
Speaker 1: about the execution of how she went about doing it.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 5: What makes y'all think Allison has it in her to
Speaker 5: slit anybody's throat or stab anybody. That's not even in
Speaker 5: her character. She can't do that. So was she did
Speaker 5: the best she could, which was bad. She's bad at
Speaker 5: her job. She's terrible at her job. She gave him
Speaker 5: some poison and then she ran away. This is exactly
Speaker 5: what I would expect out of Allison.
Speaker 1: I guess my thinking is that if, like, well, maybe
Speaker 1: she didn't know how much to put in the in
Speaker 1: the t then right, it's just the people. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to make this makes sense because I'm struggling
Speaker 1: with it. So she probably just exactly.
Speaker 2: Said, I don't even think it's that deep of a thought.
Speaker 6: I think it's just it's nick always say they're trying
Speaker 6: to kick the can down the road, just trying to
Speaker 6: kick the can on this.
Speaker 8: It just feels obvious because like, what is your plan
Speaker 8: when you lead a castle but you're gonna go back
Speaker 8: and sell Romara, Like.
Speaker 7: What what are you doing? For real? Like you're playing here,
Speaker 7: But this is on par with her character, it's.
Speaker 8: On part with her character to leave the castle in
Speaker 8: the middle of the night and trek through the woods
Speaker 8: to go back to Kings.
Speaker 9: Supposed to supposed to do, to do one job and
Speaker 9: it turns out another way. It happened with a gun,
Speaker 9: it happened.
Speaker 2: It happened with an invasion. Everything that's true.
Speaker 6: But Toy's point to like, you just gonna leave in
Speaker 6: the middle of night where you're going and he's dead.
Speaker 2: You don't know he's dead.
Speaker 7: Then that goes back to doesn't wait on confirmation.
Speaker 3: Ever ever, But that's that's that's all ran for one,
Speaker 3: giving her this big ass plan to execute with little
Speaker 3: experience on how to do it, and to not giving
Speaker 3: her proper backup or proper plan B to say, like,
Speaker 3: all right, we needed somebody to check on this, to
Speaker 3: make sure if you're if.
Speaker 2: You were near it, she's the reason that you're sitting
Speaker 2: on the throne.
Speaker 6: The plan that she came to you with is the
Speaker 6: plan that got you in kings landed and got you
Speaker 6: where you are now.
Speaker 2: So you kind of got to listen to it and.
Speaker 7: Like and like.
Speaker 2: But but, like Ranera said, what if I reaped from that?
Speaker 2: But she.
Speaker 9: Thought she was going to get there on though she
Speaker 9: got slicing the niggas block, she didn't get there because
Speaker 9: she actually took out her sons and they wasn't there
Speaker 9: when she arrived.
Speaker 7: Her sons just left.
Speaker 1: Both you that she just gave him. I think she
Speaker 1: just gave him enough to put him asleep. I don't
Speaker 1: think she was trying to pause.
Speaker 3: You don't think she's trying to actually kill them. You
Speaker 3: think she's trying to be still a good mama. And
Speaker 3: on that I thought she was just trying Yep, we're
Speaker 3: not good moment. I think once the guy was dead,
Speaker 3: she needed to leave the castle to get back to safety.
Speaker 3: Were still got to go back to Nierer though, what safety?
Speaker 3: She's not in danger at the castle, so what's the
Speaker 3: point of leaving. What's the point of putting it to
Speaker 3: sleep and taking off.
Speaker 2: To get That doesn't make any sense. Like she's not
Speaker 2: in danger. Like nobody in that castle is gonna hurt
Speaker 2: her that she knows of, So why nobody's gonna hurt
Speaker 2: her kids either?
Speaker 5: So why would she be afraid to the point where
Speaker 5: she's gonna put the sun to sleep and then sneak
Speaker 5: out in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: That doesn't make any sense. I think to kill him,
Speaker 2: But she's just bad at it. She don't know what
Speaker 2: she's doing.
Speaker 1: I think when that guy did, when that guy was dead,
Speaker 1: she was just trying to get out of there.
Speaker 2: So we'll see, I don't know. We all got to
Speaker 2: agree to disagree until next week. Yeah, we're gonna find out.
Speaker 3: We didn't see that the army that Christian Cole tried
Speaker 3: to stop is almost a day away from Tumbleton and
Speaker 3: twenty k deep from what they said as a as
Speaker 3: a trophy. But we hear that Ormond has a plan
Speaker 3: up his sleeve or peace on the board. How he
Speaker 3: says for how from how he stated on how to see, uh,
Speaker 3: I guess how they can win. And then we see
Speaker 3: that Lord Corlis is a part of that because he's
Speaker 3: a prisoner. He got taken caps, so he isn't dead
Speaker 3: and so he's just locked up.
Speaker 2: Number five, Mike, what did you think about Lord Corliss
Speaker 2: in this.
Speaker 3: Scene while they're eating dinner together and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: He's still on business, man, I fuck with Corliss, Fuck
Speaker 5: with Corlss heavy. I was already sad enough. What happened?
Speaker 1: Wine?
Speaker 2: Sorry you said stood on business anyway?
Speaker 5: Yes, he stood on business. He was like, I'm not
Speaker 5: about to sell out Ranera. Even though he doesn't even
Speaker 5: funk with her, He's still just like she has my word,
Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not breaking my word.
Speaker 4: I'm not drinking your wine, I'm not eating your food.
Speaker 2: Right. Smart man, he was smart.
Speaker 3: He was like a smart young college student at a party.
Speaker 2: You don't know nobody yet, ain't put none of my drink.
Speaker 2: And I ain't like how they were talking to him either.
Speaker 2: But you know he was fed up, like early was,
Speaker 2: take me back to myself, right, let me go back
Speaker 2: to myself. This bullshit in front of me, Bro, I'm
Speaker 2: not listening to this ship chicken fat by Heim here
Speaker 2: trying to torture.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Man, they bet not kill
Speaker 5: correlas Bron.
Speaker 7: You think we don't make it?
Speaker 2: Huh? What do you think is gonna make it? I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't make those kinds of predictions. I'm
Speaker 2: not nick.
Speaker 5: When I watched this show, I just sit back because
Speaker 5: I don't know anybody could die. I didn't expect Christian
Speaker 5: Colden died last episode.
Speaker 2: So and I don't know. I don't I don't know either.
Speaker 2: I ain't read this.
Speaker 3: I heard some things a little, so I'm gonna keep
Speaker 3: it to myself. I accidentally heard some things. I ain't
Speaker 3: gonna say nothing. Oh what was you saying?
Speaker 2: No, Roight?
Speaker 9: Oh was interesting with the with the son, his son
Speaker 9: and how he was looking at the whole situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said about Darren Darren Targan. Yeah, yeah, like
Speaker 2: what he.
Speaker 7: Saying, observer, He wasn't It wasn't much you had.
Speaker 9: He just had the Allison faces, like he just had
Speaker 9: faces about like how everything was going on?
Speaker 4: How is this supposed to help us out?
Speaker 7: Something?
Speaker 6: He asked him? He was giving callers the plan. When
Speaker 6: I say he, I mean Orman was Ormond. He was
Speaker 6: giving Ormond uh Ormon was giving callers a plan. And
Speaker 6: then dude was like. Damon was like, well, why how
Speaker 6: did that make sense? That that's bad strategy? Like they
Speaker 6: don't even do anything for what we're trying to get
Speaker 6: accomplished here on our side.
Speaker 2: And he didn't have asked for.
Speaker 3: It because to me rose his eyes because to me
Speaker 3: little it seemed like Ormond was based saying like, I'm
Speaker 3: trying to get these other alliances with me, so when
Speaker 3: I'm able to.
Speaker 2: Rule, I already got that stuff intact.
Speaker 3: And Darren is like, nigga, we got twenty k soldiers
Speaker 3: them at the door, what the hell I gotta do?
Speaker 3: Like you're thinking about tomorrow when we focused on fighting today,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So I think that's what he knows. He don't got
Speaker 2: no soldiers.
Speaker 3: Really, he don't got no That's why he was like,
Speaker 3: what is like, what what is any of this doing?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this ain't doing nothing for me?
Speaker 8: Yeah, Darren like, I ain't gonna be no kid. This
Speaker 8: is this, y'all play army. I got time to this.
Speaker 2: The fact going off with that kid did you see that.
Speaker 3: You remember the scene that Darren had right after this
Speaker 3: with g Wayne and he was basically, know, bitch and
Speaker 3: the g ain't about all the ship or I'm been doing.
Speaker 3: What did you take away from that conversation because I
Speaker 3: felt like it was it was interesting because I while
Speaker 3: I like their relationship between g.
Speaker 2: Wayne and Darren, I don't think it's gonna end well.
Speaker 1: Maybe not, but it sounded to me like Darren was
Speaker 1: realizing that he does have power and because he kind
Speaker 1: of threw out that I'm the king, I could just
Speaker 1: do this or that, you know, and probably was just
Speaker 1: trying to kind of, you know, get some sort of
Speaker 1: feedback on whether or not that would be feasible or
Speaker 1: good idea, and doesn't sound like Guin was really on
Speaker 1: board with it. But for him, he spoke back to
Speaker 1: him at the table, so we've seen that now, so
Speaker 1: he's speaking up more.
Speaker 2: And then he went on and was like, man, well
Speaker 2: I'm the king real for real.
Speaker 1: So at that point, so now I'm like, well, at
Speaker 1: some point, oh, and then that's what by was like, Well,
Speaker 1: you know, you can just get on your dragon and dip.
Speaker 1: And if he dipped, then you know he is a
Speaker 1: coward what's his name, lose Orman, lose all the power,
Speaker 1: And that's when he said, yeah, who wants to follow
Speaker 1: a king that leads his men?
Speaker 2: So he's trying to sort all of this shit.
Speaker 7: Out, you ask my question.
Speaker 6: He even did it from the other perspective of not
Speaker 6: him different but the men. Him telling the men that
Speaker 6: they don't have to fight, and then it being like,
Speaker 6: well what men, what soldiers would not want to fight
Speaker 6: for their key? So I like how they did it
Speaker 6: from both ways and how they're showing that he is
Speaker 6: for the first half many episodes of the season, they
Speaker 6: try to may act like that he was just a
Speaker 6: puppet and he's I like how this episode we just
Speaker 6: got one episode left, and how I don't think they're
Speaker 6: going to leave us with any like just teasers or
Speaker 6: these clippingers, because they've done a careful job of setting
Speaker 6: up these characters, even with this election. The seventh episode
Speaker 6: from this character is like, I'm interested to see regardless
Speaker 6: of how the next episode ends, how he plays out
Speaker 6: next season.
Speaker 2: So I think they did a really good job.
Speaker 3: With them because Mike, in my what I took away
Speaker 3: the most from the scene was like, I think I
Speaker 3: know what he said. He was like, man, to be honest, bro,
Speaker 3: Renera can have all this shit, like I don't want
Speaker 3: like they dropping me up for all this stuff, like
Speaker 3: but I don't even want none of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think we I think we all kind of knew
Speaker 5: that that he's not interested in this. He's just he's
Speaker 5: scared to tell buddy that he doesn't want to do it.
Speaker 5: And I think he probably also knows he has nowhere
Speaker 5: else to go if he doesn't do this. So I
Speaker 5: thought I thought the conversation between him and GWayne was
Speaker 5: actually really interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, real quick, quick fast forward.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you this, Rode, cause this reminded
Speaker 2: me of a scene and pay the full.
Speaker 3: Well, we see because Corlis is locked up, we see
Speaker 3: Orman said Alan the figure with the ring on it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he was looking salt tea. Well, we go
Speaker 3: touch on it. But that was the that was the
Speaker 3: first thing I was thinking of it. I was like, damn, bro,
Speaker 3: they chopping him up limb by limb.
Speaker 7: Now, yeah, I knew. I knew exactly what that was.
Speaker 7: When I saw that box, I said, I.
Speaker 2: Think mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 5: When he pulled the knife out, it was like, oh,
Speaker 5: he's gonna cut his finger off. I thought it was
Speaker 5: his finger or his tongue, one of the two. His tongue, yeah,
Speaker 5: because I thought they were gonna cut his tongue off
Speaker 5: on some like you don't want to talk so cool,
Speaker 5: I'll cut your tongue out of it.
Speaker 2: Doesn't make any sense. It just came in my brain.
Speaker 7: Yeah, she's trying with them and make him think that
Speaker 7: he did say something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be true.
Speaker 3: We didn't see Damon go back to the I forget
Speaker 3: the lady's name, but I think she's in the veil,
Speaker 3: the woman who liked the witch her twin. He goes
Speaker 3: to her and begs for her to be like, listen,
Speaker 3: I know my daughter is out here roaming around and.
Speaker 2: She's supposed to I thought she was gonna lock her up,
Speaker 2: but you didn't.
Speaker 3: Let me go get her before you tell the queen,
Speaker 3: give me a day to go find her. And while
Speaker 3: he's doing that, we see that Adam and Baylor are
Speaker 3: continuing on to find Sheep Sailor on their own, but
Speaker 3: they have a little quick conversation first, and Adam gets
Speaker 3: a chance to explain why he wants to have that
Speaker 3: last name of Olirium nay, what did you think about between.
Speaker 7: Keep it to gazzer? Why are you opening your mouth?
Speaker 8: You know caused the risk between brothers and didn't even
Speaker 8: realize it. And why do you think that this nigga
Speaker 8: want to marry you just because you gave him some
Speaker 8: all of a sudden like that?
Speaker 2: I mean, god, what makes you think he don't? Right?
Speaker 2: I'm looking at him and look at her, but.
Speaker 4: She poor, poor poor What's what Adam Allan?
Speaker 7: I don't know which one is with that?
Speaker 3: That Alan is the one who got Baylor. Adam was
Speaker 3: the one who was salty, his head blessed.
Speaker 7: Feeling so bad.
Speaker 2: He was sick.
Speaker 7: Why would I talk to my brother? Yeah?
Speaker 4: She got to keep it together, loose up sense ships.
Speaker 2: Right, he was sick.
Speaker 3: Boy, he thought he had a good reason, like listen,
Speaker 3: let me get this last name, I can slide up
Speaker 3: with you.
Speaker 2: And so she's like, oh, you'd be like your brother did?
Speaker 2: That was crazy that.
Speaker 3: You think that's gonna you think that's gonna cause a
Speaker 3: big rifk between the brothers, right, I mean yes?
Speaker 7: And then you know you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: It's gonna cause a problem because Adam Allen, whichever one
Speaker 8: the Baar hadn one.
Speaker 4: He's on the court with Bremia. He is like heading
Speaker 4: again charge of the other battlefield.
Speaker 7: And it's the girl.
Speaker 8: This dude thought he got a dragon that came up
Speaker 8: and he really don't have nothing but a dragon, damn.
Speaker 9: So all the bastard is gonna turn out to worthless.
Speaker 4: John like call that one, like they're all gonna turn
Speaker 4: on him.
Speaker 8: So yeah, I think that's going to be another piece
Speaker 8: that causes Milli Vanilli to turn on Raniera because he
Speaker 8: hasn't gotten anything. He can't get the girl. He wants
Speaker 8: his brother and got all the power. The brother even
Speaker 8: got his daddy's recognition before he.
Speaker 9: Did Hammer having problems with his wife, y'all, he's gonna
Speaker 9: be out mm hmm, having problems with it.
Speaker 2: So she could go, she could go up three dragons
Speaker 2: down three dragons. That's what it.
Speaker 7: Seemed like, shaping up to be like that. Yep, that's unfortunately, y'all.
Speaker 2: He said, what but she sort of favorite arena to y'all.
Speaker 2: So no, yeah, they stop.
Speaker 6: Stop, no, no, at the end of the season. At
Speaker 6: the end of the season, if she's gotten all three
Speaker 6: of those dragons, that ain't gonna be no big cliffhanger, right,
Speaker 6: I don't think those three dragons have switched sides, like
Speaker 6: if that's where they leave us at the end of
Speaker 6: the next episode, where, of course we'll speculating now.
Speaker 2: But Hugh, my guy with the wife and him right
Speaker 2: here now.
Speaker 6: Because of this relationship situation all through the bass of
Speaker 6: dragons switched to tam Green.
Speaker 5: I don't know that all of them are gonna switch
Speaker 5: by the end of the next episode, because the guy you.
Speaker 2: I'm asking you, wouldn't be mad if there was a cliffhanger, right, No,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna be mad regardless. I don't really love
Speaker 5: cliffhangers in general. But I'm not gonna be mad regardless
Speaker 5: because I know it's only one more season. But I
Speaker 5: also know that it's probably gonna take them two years
Speaker 5: before we get the last sea reason. But I don't think.
Speaker 5: I don't think all three of them are going to
Speaker 5: leave by the end of thee I think definitely the
Speaker 5: little wishy, washy white one, he's definitely gonna go, that's obvious.
Speaker 5: And the guy that has his wife in the city,
Speaker 5: I don't know if they've shown any real reason for
Speaker 5: him to leave. Yet even though Rener hadn't done shit
Speaker 5: for him, she didn't hurt.
Speaker 6: Him either, right, not really right, well, indirectly she did
Speaker 6: because his family is going through that, and his wife
Speaker 6: is blaming him for leaving them, leaving their family by
Speaker 6: by themselves and her fault.
Speaker 2: That's not Raniero's fault, exactly, that's his fault.
Speaker 6: No, No, I ain't saying it's his fault or Rania's fault.
Speaker 6: He may blame Ranera for her reaction his wife to him.
Speaker 5: I think they're going to try to give better reasons
Speaker 5: for the audience to understand why this would happen. Like,
Speaker 5: I completely understand why olf I got. I get him
Speaker 5: because he didn't really ask for that much. The only
Speaker 5: thing that would make me see the other the black
Speaker 5: dude taking his dragon and bouncing. Actually, no, I can't
Speaker 5: see why he would do that because his dad I
Speaker 5: loved that girl, but that, But that wouldn't have anything
Speaker 5: to do with Ranera and this dude. This dude has
Speaker 5: your dad kidnapped and chopped his finger off, So why
Speaker 5: would you leave and go work for him?
Speaker 7: That's that's true. That's true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that that was the reason why I was
Speaker 3: like I was curious to know, like how this relationship
Speaker 3: with like not getting on with Bayla would impact Adam,
Speaker 3: because I think the fact I know that, I know
Speaker 3: they're trying to switch, like you said, they're trying to
Speaker 3: switch the three bastards against her now, But it's like
Speaker 3: he don't really have a real issue with team He
Speaker 3: doesn't have a real issue with Team Black enough to
Speaker 3: switch to go to Team Green.
Speaker 7: Like that's what.
Speaker 2: Good point?
Speaker 6: But I think the finger means something else then we
Speaker 6: think it means. I don't think the finger means that
Speaker 6: we got your dad and we holding him hostage. I
Speaker 6: think the finger is a sign for him telling his son, hey,
Speaker 6: look it's time switch sides.
Speaker 2: What I think he can send a rave and he
Speaker 2: got to send a finger for that. That's what I
Speaker 2: think misheard. Why leave the ring on the finger to
Speaker 2: make sure it's your daddy? Is that he is at
Speaker 2: the flooding in your.
Speaker 5: Face, like look your little ring all that Like that
Speaker 5: don't mean ship to me, be like, oh it's Tomas,
Speaker 5: switch side, send him my finger.
Speaker 2: Write me a letter, bro.
Speaker 6: And that as being motivation though, motivation for what I
Speaker 6: feel like that that if I'm sending if that finger
Speaker 6: is being sent from Corelers to his son. I don't
Speaker 6: think that it's being sent as we got your daddy,
Speaker 6: you need to do what we say. I think it's
Speaker 6: being said as this is a conversation to him and
Speaker 6: his daddy and then had before when if you received
Speaker 6: this in the mail, it's time to do the.
Speaker 2: So you think you think?
Speaker 5: You think Ormond pulled the knife out and Corla said,
Speaker 5: that's a nice sharp knife. Cut my finger off, pretended
Speaker 5: to my son.
Speaker 2: No, I don't it happened that way. I think it
Speaker 2: happened as too. Well.
Speaker 6: If I me and my son have had this conversation,
Speaker 6: give me that knife. I'm going to send him my
Speaker 6: finger based off the conversation that we add. Here, here's
Speaker 6: my finger. You know what to do next. Where did
Speaker 6: you read this theory?
Speaker 2: I don't know what is somewhere.
Speaker 5: I will say that it's a terrible theory that makes no.
Speaker 2: Sense until it happens.
Speaker 3: Until it happens, Like Mike said, they could just say
Speaker 3: he could have sent a raven. And I think the
Speaker 3: reason why there's the ring on the fingers, so he knows.
Speaker 3: But the ring is on the finger, so he knows
Speaker 3: that is his daddy, you can't send the no black finger,
Speaker 3: that could be anybody.
Speaker 6: To be clear, it ain't that many black people wish.
Speaker 6: I think that many black fingers you could see.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I just think there was more to it than him
Speaker 6: just sending that finger and them supposing to respond with, oh,
Speaker 6: y'all got my dad.
Speaker 2: I don't think that that was the thing.
Speaker 5: He looked terrified when he opened the box. He looked terrified.
Speaker 5: He had opened the box.
Speaker 6: Because of what he gotta do, because of the discussion,
Speaker 6: the discussions that they had.
Speaker 2: If you receive this finger, you gotta get off YouTube man.
Speaker 3: The second of all, second of all lou him and
Speaker 3: is that he just repaired their relationship. They ain't had
Speaker 3: no They don't have no bond to have no deep
Speaker 3: like succession plans set up for like how that's going.
Speaker 5: If it was if it was some ship like oh,
Speaker 5: if you get this in the mail, that means switch sides,
Speaker 5: cut a lock off, that would be just as telling
Speaker 5: as the finger. Cut one of my dreads off, wrap
Speaker 5: it around the ring and send that. Why would he
Speaker 5: say cut my finger off.
Speaker 7: That doesn't make.
Speaker 2: That's terrible, that would make any sense. Well, we also
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: It's one of the We get another episode of these
Speaker 3: useless ass council meetings where we see the Master of
Speaker 3: the Coin is fed up and he figured it out.
Speaker 3: Louis was like, y'all gotta be at some damn patsy
Speaker 3: for the damn realm, and everybody got real quiet and
Speaker 3: start drinking their tea. But we quickly see as Adam
Speaker 3: and Baylor come in saying they found sheep stealer and
Speaker 3: possibly it's rider h moving on real quick. But before
Speaker 3: we move on anything else, Rod, did you find it
Speaker 3: funny with the Master of coin had to say in
Speaker 3: the beating, yeah, saying when he held his hand up
Speaker 3: like he was like, he was like, it seems like
Speaker 3: y'all set me up here to be a scapegoat because
Speaker 3: y'all not listening to anything I say. I said, y'all
Speaker 3: keep on asking for money. I'm saying, let's put a
Speaker 3: tax in. No one's listening to me. All the money
Speaker 3: that we do got is going quickly out out the
Speaker 3: crib like what, like, what's going on? Like he was
Speaker 3: basically asking for an audience and no one's giving it
Speaker 3: to him right right.
Speaker 9: I don't know why I didn't pay attention to him
Speaker 9: more so than the lady that was next to him.
Speaker 3: Right, she said, I'll go happily. Yeah, but I thought
Speaker 3: that was funny. But lou, what were your thoughts on
Speaker 3: Massiria uh this episode and how heavy handed she was
Speaker 3: trying to turn the queen against Damon?
Speaker 2: She was heavy hands, all right, Yeah, she was really
Speaker 2: she was really a heavy handed kid. I don't know.
Speaker 6: This came off as obvious, man like, even when Reniero
Speaker 6: was questioning her at the end of the episode, like yeah,
Speaker 6: just like you try to do this or just like
Speaker 6: it was this, I felt like that was the right
Speaker 6: uh action to take us as if you was watching
Speaker 6: this and seeing her respond to this, like, Nigga, you
Speaker 6: ain't the end all be all, Like you can't. I
Speaker 6: can't trust everything that you say because you've had good
Speaker 6: merit for one season, half a season or whatever it
Speaker 6: may be. So yeah, I like the fact that she
Speaker 6: was trying to the gray worm take this and move
Speaker 6: into her place as this master of whispers that she
Speaker 6: wants to be. But I also like to how they
Speaker 6: played it out on screen as to where she's nowhere
Speaker 6: near experienced enough to fool anybody. In this position, everybody's
Speaker 6: very clear at what she's doing.
Speaker 2: Damon is clear. Near her is clear.
Speaker 6: Everybody, even the workers in the in the in the castle,
Speaker 6: know what she's doing. Everybody know exactly what she's doing.
Speaker 6: And she's not really good at her job.
Speaker 4: Her little whole friend.
Speaker 15: I was gonna get to that. He not you, not you?
Speaker 7: She right?
Speaker 2: I love how she was like.
Speaker 3: Remember but since she was showing around the castle like yeah,
Speaker 3: this is my this is my room right here, I can.
Speaker 2: Take it to the.
Speaker 3: Here's the iron throne. Don't sit on it. And then
Speaker 3: her girlfriend was like, nigga, you think you would?
Speaker 2: She was like what she?
Speaker 3: I like how they be talking in like these old
Speaker 3: school biblical tours. She was like, what power is truth
Speaker 3: to you? But she was like what what? What power
Speaker 3: do you think you had? And she talking about some
Speaker 3: she talking about from ya still, I can do more
Speaker 3: for the streets here than I can do outside.
Speaker 2: They see you as the street You just came to them.
Speaker 4: That was like some real new money, tight tight arrogance
Speaker 4: had man. Yeah, bless her heart. She got read for
Speaker 4: filth and then.
Speaker 8: After she read her essentially she played into exactly what
Speaker 8: the girl said like well, I guess this really is
Speaker 8: all I'm good for.
Speaker 7: I guess so heart.
Speaker 2: Got you what the ghetto boys said.
Speaker 3: Now, her friend ain't like how she was standing up
Speaker 3: on that uh that the tall step looking down on
Speaker 3: She's like, you got you got on this gucci out
Speaker 3: for that.
Speaker 2: It takes me a whole year to get you know.
Speaker 2: We were at the like you with us. Yeah, that was funny.
Speaker 3: Another funny scene was we later see uh, Damon fine
Speaker 3: Ranera uh it tries the reason with her once again,
Speaker 3: but we but we see it's too late.
Speaker 7: Yes, hit the couch.
Speaker 3: It's too late because we see Nara and Adam come
Speaker 3: through with their dragons and confront everybody.
Speaker 2: Mike, what was your thoughts on this scene? This was sad.
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I don't. I don't. I didn't
Speaker 2: like seeing sheep stealer done like.
Speaker 5: I didn't like seeing any of them get all bit
Speaker 5: up like that, because this show does too good of
Speaker 5: a doubt making these these animals look real. So it
Speaker 5: was sad, but I knew that was gonna happen, and
Speaker 5: this was this was just like some Tyler Perry as drama.
Speaker 5: Like I don't know how Damon thought he was gonna
Speaker 5: get out of this. He was talking about run like
Speaker 5: they saw her. What do you mean run, Mike?
Speaker 2: I was I thought. I thought, when he's said, where
Speaker 2: you in a field, bro Field, where is he gonna
Speaker 2: run through? Mike?
Speaker 3: When he said told her to run, I'm thinking, like
Speaker 3: he's gonna try to stop Adam because Adam was like
Speaker 3: honking her down. Oh, He's like he's gonna tackle he
Speaker 3: he just let her. I'm like, so you thought she
Speaker 3: was gonna beat.
Speaker 1: Them all foot, running away like like Larry's like that, bro,
Speaker 1: I'll run anybody like that.
Speaker 2: She run away like Forrest Gump in high school, like
Speaker 2: come on.
Speaker 6: Like hey, Damon tried to dirt Dirt was down and
Speaker 6: he tried to walk up with so much authority, and
Speaker 6: he was so mad and then the dragon just roared
Speaker 6: and knocked him down like.
Speaker 2: A little person. I know.
Speaker 6: He was so pissed off about this, because you know
Speaker 6: how you feel when you mad or something you trip
Speaker 6: or you fall and you hit something, like god damn it.
Speaker 7: He did.
Speaker 2: He laid up for a minute like god damn. Yeah.
Speaker 2: This scene this scene was was really good. This was
Speaker 2: I think this was the best scene in the episode.
Speaker 2: Like it was really.
Speaker 5: When they jumped Sheep Stealer, yeah, man, I was fucked up. Man,
Speaker 5: they had to because she still was sheep still took
Speaker 5: care of Whenara's dragon I could take this one that.
Speaker 3: Because you know what they say, they stronger than most,
Speaker 3: those slow dragons, stronger than most.
Speaker 6: That's right, that's what her dragons. I heard all that
Speaker 6: ship you was talking? Man, what's something now?
Speaker 2: Did feel bad?
Speaker 3: Even though what's the name Renee goofy ass in the
Speaker 3: background screaming no, get off.
Speaker 2: For him, let him?
Speaker 8: No mean, you don't mean stop jumping him, stop jumping?
Speaker 2: So is he is he? I can't think he did,
Speaker 2: because we don't see him. He just he just he
Speaker 2: pulled off.
Speaker 5: But that's why Damon's stupid? Why why do you keep
Speaker 5: making these mistakes? Like I just don't understand why he
Speaker 5: let sheep Stealer live. I just don't get I get it.
Speaker 5: He didn't want to hurt his daughter, but at this point,
Speaker 5: fuck it your.
Speaker 2: Daughter is I don't know if that was his choice.
Speaker 2: I don't think that was his choice. How was it
Speaker 2: not his choice? He was? He stumbled away and Damon's
Speaker 2: dragon was right there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought Damon was gonna like end it because
Speaker 3: he did he tell the dragon to killer.
Speaker 8: I thought he go, yeah, like maybe she got so
Speaker 8: many licks, and so it was like they just both
Speaker 8: kind of went their separate ways.
Speaker 1: And when Damon fell down, they wouldn't take care of Damon.
Speaker 1: It went to go get Damon.
Speaker 2: No, y'all know, Damon let sheep Stealer live. He didn't hurt.
Speaker 6: No, Sheep still got out of there like he broke.
Speaker 6: He got out of there like.
Speaker 2: He did.
Speaker 5: And then after they tumbled a bit, they stopped and
Speaker 5: then he said I'll take care of all this or whatever.
Speaker 2: Sheep Stealer just walked away. He didn't dip. He walked
Speaker 2: over the hill and then stopped. No, there was well
Speaker 2: you're talking about.
Speaker 1: After that was a little bit of fight, yes, and
Speaker 1: then when Damon fell down, he was getting up, and
Speaker 1: that's when, yeah, I know what you're talking about, because
Speaker 1: I saw Sheep still a walk off, and I was
Speaker 1: surprised that the other dragon then follow him and go
Speaker 1: kill him. So I don't know if he thought that
Speaker 1: sheep Stiller was mortally wounded and wasn't gonna live or
Speaker 1: Damon and both of them had enough.
Speaker 2: The camera zoom in on Damon's face.
Speaker 5: Damon looked around and then that it changed to a
Speaker 5: different scene. Damon did not say, cracksis go finish him off.
Speaker 5: It wouldn't have been that hard because she's stealing. Was
Speaker 5: fucked up and he couldn't even w Damon could have
Speaker 5: killed him at that point.
Speaker 1: He had Damon, Damon had done with dragons. She's still
Speaker 1: high behind them, Damn trees.
Speaker 2: This I don't know Damon's Damon's making bad decisions. I
Speaker 2: don't know why he She still ain't ain't to be
Speaker 2: fun with though, Bro, he got he got the slow
Speaker 2: people shrink. He can't real dragons, he can't real dragon.
Speaker 6: He was he was, he was, he was because I'm
Speaker 6: looking at it, I'm looking at it now like he
Speaker 6: was even when Damon dipped off, like he gave him
Speaker 6: a little claws to the neck, like, man, you can't
Speaker 6: fuck with me, bro, Yeah, if you dragging, if you
Speaker 6: keep Damon dragon. When he was leaving, he put the
Speaker 6: claws in his neck, and everything was like you ain't
Speaker 6: about this life?
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, yeah, she still.
Speaker 2: She still yeah yeah on some street ship. But earth.
Speaker 5: Right, this is gonna come back and bite Damon. The
Speaker 5: ass because this is once again he was supposed to
Speaker 5: finish something and he didn't.
Speaker 3: Which is why, which is why I think you bring
Speaker 3: up a great point, Mike, because after Ranera brings Raina home,
Speaker 3: we see her and Damon have a good conversation after that.
Speaker 2: But before I get to that question, right, you got
Speaker 2: something to say.
Speaker 9: I think he might have spared she's still because he
Speaker 9: knows Raina really wants No.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's yeah, that's what you said. But yeah, I agree,
Speaker 5: that's what I'm looking at the scene now. He told
Speaker 5: him to kill him and he's on his nick.
Speaker 2: Yes, after keep.
Speaker 6: Watching, I miss what you said after that, Man, what
Speaker 6: were you saying happened after that?
Speaker 5: Then sheep Stealer just kind of stumbles off, and Damon
Speaker 5: doesn't go after him to kill him. He could have
Speaker 5: easily went and killed him. He could have took a
Speaker 5: sword and killed sheep Stealer at that point, but he didn't.
Speaker 5: And I think, just like Roger said, and just like
Speaker 5: I said before, I think it's because he doesn't want
Speaker 5: to hurt his daughter anymore. That's the only thing that
Speaker 5: makes any sense. That's her crackhead boyfriend, and he feels
Speaker 5: bad because she's been through so much and he's just like,
Speaker 5: I don't want to do this last thing to her.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he empathizes with it because he wanted to drag
Speaker 9: it when he was younger too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what we learned about in that transaction. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but Mike, I'm curious to get your thoughts on Damon
Speaker 3: and Ronera's relationship after not only this scene, but her
Speaker 3: finding out. Like, I think they were in the bedroom
Speaker 3: at night talking and he was like, hey, I didn't
Speaker 3: I didn't betray you.
Speaker 2: I was trying to take my daughter. Wait, I don't remember.
Speaker 2: I thought.
Speaker 5: I thought he came in the room and he said something.
Speaker 5: She was like, you need to go somewhere else. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that was at the end, but he was basically saying.
Speaker 8: He came in and she had her little attend with
Speaker 8: her and she was going to go.
Speaker 5: She like you rightious, It's cool. Yeah, Damon fucked up.
Speaker 5: He's gonna have to do a whole lot of apologizing.
Speaker 5: Do you think she ever gonna forgive him? I think
Speaker 5: I think she. I think he's on the outs now.
Speaker 5: I don't think him.
Speaker 7: I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't think Nara has an option.
Speaker 5: She's gonna have to forgive him because she don't have
Speaker 5: no other damon without him.
Speaker 6: She's not that smart, mic, I mean really, I don't
Speaker 6: think that she understands that he is the best asset
Speaker 6: to her team. And he's going to try to cut
Speaker 6: him out because of this. That's going to be detrimental
Speaker 6: to her.
Speaker 2: You probably, I think I think this is a low
Speaker 2: blow name because she ain't with him.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, Remember remember the table and her listening
Speaker 6: to him. I think are going to be different. He's
Speaker 6: going to be able to sit there because she don't
Speaker 6: want to look dumb. But she ain't never gonna listen
Speaker 6: to nothing anyway.
Speaker 7: She was trying to justify when she was talking to
Speaker 7: White World.
Speaker 3: She was, but she was saying it in a way
Speaker 3: where it was like she's trying to justify to her.
Speaker 2: So she can so you can't sho on me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, well more so, I think so she can
Speaker 3: be at peace with having been in the same room
Speaker 3: with him.
Speaker 2: But remember in that scene when she was talking to
Speaker 2: Day but she was like.
Speaker 16: Cut out, something were like something was buzzing in my ear, Michael, Mike.
Speaker 2: Mike almost flipped the whole table.
Speaker 17: Rod and reached for status ros said, whoa, whoa. I
Speaker 17: heard in my ear, remember that, Mike, And it was
Speaker 17: genuine too. It was it wasn't no, it was genuine.
Speaker 17: Rob was really concerned.
Speaker 2: He was like, you know, you didn't that door behind
Speaker 2: I know?
Speaker 18: Oh my god, twist the chair up, laughing in.
Speaker 2: His said who out of me? I'm sorry, Nick, You're good.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna ask about well, I was just gonna.
Speaker 3: I was basically saying, oh my god, I feel like
Speaker 3: I feel like Ranera saying that to Massario. It was
Speaker 3: about like her justifying being in the same room moving
Speaker 3: forward with Damon, even though in that scene she spoke
Speaker 3: with Damon, she was really upset, saying like, I had
Speaker 3: this skull in my room because I thought it was
Speaker 3: the skull of the dead person, that the death of
Speaker 3: the rider that killed my son, and to think it
Speaker 3: was fake and that she the way she threw it
Speaker 3: in the fire, and how angry she was, it was
Speaker 3: just kind of like I'm done with you, because Ma
Speaker 3: Sarah was right, like you have to ask yourself that
Speaker 3: question now that in her head, like what is Damon
Speaker 3: willing to do or like willing not to tell you,
Speaker 3: or like how deceitful was he willing to be when
Speaker 3: he lied about the death, like who was the killer
Speaker 3: of your son?
Speaker 7: So, but it wasn't this, It wasn't the CEO. And
Speaker 7: that's what he was saying.
Speaker 2: It was a lie. He lied to her. He did lie.
Speaker 4: It wasn't it was absolutely was he killed.
Speaker 8: It was a person tried to pass it off like
Speaker 8: it was his like it was it was right or
Speaker 8: whatever the girl, because he didn't want to kill his
Speaker 8: daughter the intention, but he was deceit.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 7: He hitted me up to seed.
Speaker 3: And in my opinion, they he had no reason to
Speaker 3: lite because they just brought her home like he said
Speaker 3: they was gonna do that. They could have brought this
Speaker 3: like when he found her, he could have brought her home,
Speaker 3: like listen, she messed up, but this is my daughter.
Speaker 2: You can't kill her. We're gonna have to find another way,
Speaker 2: because that's what they're gonna do now.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And even if she didn't, even if he didn't
Speaker 8: bring her home, he still could because she didn't.
Speaker 7: Want to go because she knew what would have been waiting.
Speaker 7: So even if he didn't.
Speaker 4: Bring her home, he still could have sat near it.
Speaker 7: Down and been like look, it's a situation.
Speaker 4: What you want me to do because it's my baby.
Speaker 7: You never understood why he didn't just her.
Speaker 8: And that's what Raniero said, like, who do you think
Speaker 8: I am? Like, look at how she's treating Alison and
Speaker 8: Helena and her own siblings, Like she wasn't gonna kill
Speaker 8: the Denaire Daniel whatever the boy name is when she
Speaker 8: thought it was like looking he's been treating other people,
Speaker 8: You really think I would have come after your kid
Speaker 8: like that, Like that's my stepdaughter, Like you really thought
Speaker 8: that's how I would have handled her?
Speaker 4: Like who do you think I am?
Speaker 1: I'm with you, Rod, I think I don't think it's over.
Speaker 1: I think she just hurt. Yeah now yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think that she's.
Speaker 2: Trying to.
Speaker 1: Sort through the deceitfulness of Damon by rationalizing why he
Speaker 1: did it. And she may, uh, you know, think about
Speaker 1: maybe put herself in that situation when he had a
Speaker 1: good reason for lying to her. And I think she
Speaker 1: understands that. It's just how she's gonna sort through all
Speaker 1: these different emotions she has knowing that that happened and
Speaker 1: now seeing that the one person because she said she
Speaker 1: thought it was some that she can hate and it's
Speaker 1: not it's this whole.
Speaker 2: It's like it's family. How's she gonna deal with that ship?
Speaker 3: And we know that Bailey ain't gonna leave her out
Speaker 3: to dry because she came into the room like, look,
Speaker 3: baby girl, like we're gonna you're gonna start a new again.
Speaker 7: Get it together.
Speaker 9: We're gonna get you together, We're gonna clean you up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got this nigga name Alan.
Speaker 3: You can have his brother say, we can make we
Speaker 3: can make Western Rose great again.
Speaker 2: No, No, the other one might take her though.
Speaker 3: No, Adam, Adam, Adam looking at uh, he looking at
Speaker 3: Beyonce and he seeing Salade saying, I'm just saying, is
Speaker 3: beautiful too, But ain't.
Speaker 13: It ain't me?
Speaker 2: A who would you think the taste? Right? God, I'm
Speaker 2: just saying.
Speaker 3: We did see Lord larriis Agon and Thailand Lanister on
Speaker 3: their way to a ship to get to another place,
Speaker 3: but then they noticed the road that they're going on
Speaker 3: is leading to another army that's loyal to the Queen Ken.
Speaker 3: What did you think of the scene with Lord Laris
Speaker 3: and Thailand Lanister when they were trying to decide which
Speaker 3: one to stay, which once should go.
Speaker 2: Larius ain't ship.
Speaker 1: He knows he ain't ship, and the king even though
Speaker 1: he ain't ship, and he acknowledges his faults, and he
Speaker 1: was like, look, I'm a cripple, what you What am
Speaker 1: I going to really do out here?
Speaker 2: He said, So I'm gonna leave.
Speaker 1: If but I'll stay if the king you know, want
Speaker 1: me to stay what you know, but I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: be able to help. And the king you know, let
Speaker 1: him go and he was like, all right, bounce. He
Speaker 1: wrapped him up and then he was out and made
Speaker 1: complete sense.
Speaker 2: He's right, I can't. I can't really do ship.
Speaker 3: He was, but he was trying to suce it up
Speaker 3: and can He was like, oh yeah, I'm gonna make
Speaker 3: sure they sing songs about you.
Speaker 1: He's got he got you, He's he got He's a
Speaker 1: mouth piece.
Speaker 2: Nick, he can he can talk, man, That's what it's
Speaker 2: his job. Bro. So he knew that that's all he wanted.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to once you give me my passage,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say all the things you want to hear
Speaker 1: so you'll know that you did not die in vain.
Speaker 7: It was still some.
Speaker 9: Because because my thing is like, sure, you're you're crippled,
Speaker 9: You're a crippled man, but none of y'all are gonna
Speaker 9: be a go up against his army.
Speaker 7: So it don't matter.
Speaker 9: Don't it don't matter you the strongest guy in the group,
Speaker 9: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 7: All of y'all are gonna die.
Speaker 2: He was, but he was.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's emphasising he looking at it right like, I
Speaker 5: ain't gonna die.
Speaker 2: They right might because I got an excuse I already like.
Speaker 6: I feel like the reason that I like Laura's character
Speaker 6: is because he didn't built this shit out every different
Speaker 6: way that you can do it, any kind of simulations
Speaker 6: that you got, any kind of different scenarios.
Speaker 2: He didnet did all of them.
Speaker 6: So even in this scenario when he like, hey, you
Speaker 6: know what, y'all go over there, y'all do that thing,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna stay over here and I'm gonna do my
Speaker 6: thing and I'm gonna, I promise you, I'm gonna survive
Speaker 6: more so than y'all will.
Speaker 2: I like that about his character.
Speaker 6: I think that brings an element to the show that
Speaker 6: we haven't seen before, even with Game of Thrones adding
Speaker 6: into this world as to what it's one character is like, Nah,
Speaker 6: I ain't fucking with it. I'm gonna do this ole
Speaker 6: thing that I figured out by myself, and I'm gonna
Speaker 6: make it versus time with y'all.
Speaker 2: And he didn't.
Speaker 1: He kind of talk Thailand whatever his name is, inter
Speaker 1: Stain didn't he kind of convinced him to stay or
Speaker 1: talk to.
Speaker 2: You. Run if you want to. They gonna get you anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so he was like, all right, well you're right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna god and stay and fight and not Leader King.
Speaker 2: No, that wasn't his stance. Yeah, it wouldn't. I you right,
Speaker 2: it wasn't it. I wouldn't. It definitely wasn't that. Mike.
Speaker 3: Do you think that Clarius was being a bitch ass
Speaker 3: nigga or was he keeping it a bean and just
Speaker 3: saying like, look, I can't even if we had a
Speaker 3: good army, I couldn't help with the fight.
Speaker 5: I think he was keeping it the bean by being
Speaker 5: a bitch. There was there was nothing he could really do.
Speaker 5: But I mean, but also, I mean, you don't need
Speaker 5: a foot to shoot an arrow.
Speaker 2: Like he can go in the hill.
Speaker 5: And shoot an arrow, but he has stability, stability, he
Speaker 5: can stay on the horse and shoe. He he was
Speaker 5: using the excuse to leave. He was gonna leave regardless.
Speaker 2: But that's his character though, that's him.
Speaker 8: I know.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying this was a different person or he
Speaker 2: used this crippled privilege.
Speaker 6: Hey, you got to sometimes can Yeah, And that last
Speaker 6: parking spot right.
Speaker 2: There, I got a little I got a little tag.
Speaker 2: I can put it right there my rib and I'm
Speaker 2: tired and everything.
Speaker 7: You know, shade fight, I ain't got a.
Speaker 3: Park right now, to your point, to your point, whoever
Speaker 3: brought it up, he could he could have at least
Speaker 3: offered like, yeah, I could. I could be in the
Speaker 3: at the top of the hill with arrows because that
Speaker 3: foot does work as a kickstaid again.
Speaker 2: He can stay up right. Oh god, But.
Speaker 3: I thought this, this sequencing of scenes was actually the
Speaker 3: best part of this episode. I don't know if you agree,
Speaker 3: name because Agon was brave as hell, and the scene
Speaker 3: he was talking cash it because when we see at
Speaker 3: night the army approaches Thailand and Agon he goes and said, listen,
Speaker 3: bro I'm not running no more like I'm standing whatever
Speaker 3: toes I have left standing off and he made a
Speaker 3: whole speech and everything, and then we see I don't
Speaker 3: know who predicted I think most of us talked about it.
Speaker 3: The dragon wasn't dead came back.
Speaker 5: I tried to tell y'all, bro, I try to tell
Speaker 5: y'all what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Spike. I did say the drag was alive. You said
Speaker 2: dragon was dead. I was the only person here to
Speaker 2: say that dragon was alive. I was the only person
Speaker 2: here to say that dragon was alive. You will live, Spike.
Speaker 8: Watch it, he did. I think just about everybody said it.
Speaker 8: I know, I know you Mike, and Ran said.
Speaker 2: That the dragon was a live right see see I remember.
Speaker 9: But did you think about it?
Speaker 7: I will say I can see myself big half and halfway.
Speaker 7: I definitely said that coming back, and I was so wrong.
Speaker 6: I knew once they wasted a scene on him talking
Speaker 6: about he's alive and.
Speaker 2: Something, Yeah he's alive, because they wouldn't have did think
Speaker 2: you wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't think you were right. So they put it
Speaker 1: in the in the previews review. I was like, ship
Speaker 1: to see.
Speaker 2: Last week the previews are great, Mike, go watch the previews. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: before the episode starts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the recap, recap, recap, I got you and
Speaker 1: they put when they put them up in the recap,
Speaker 1: I was like, ship, this motherfucker might be alive.
Speaker 2: They would they were, They wouldn't do that. But there
Speaker 2: that jumped up came around the corner, like his damn twin.
Speaker 19: You could have said on camera, what the I hope
Speaker 19: he's boring something.
Speaker 2: I thought you were pissing, Spike. It sounds at the
Speaker 2: beginning of and Juice, So then what the fuck?
Speaker 3: But not did you think? But I thought was braved
Speaker 3: this episode. I was surprised killed that.
Speaker 8: Nigga and got some bolls. He was like, I can
Speaker 8: kill people too. Yeah, I don't I think that. I
Speaker 8: think the truth be told. I don't think it's that he.
Speaker 7: Killed that man.
Speaker 4: I think it's Larry's reading him fulfilth the way he
Speaker 4: did a.
Speaker 8: Couple episode back and telling him like you ain't you
Speaker 8: really ain't ship. So now he's like, well, if it's
Speaker 8: if I'm gonna go out, let me go out.
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't want that to be my legacy.
Speaker 7: So I'm gonna go out with some kind of valor,
Speaker 7: with some kind of honor.
Speaker 8: So I mean, I do not want to see no
Speaker 8: arc with like I know we talked about this and
Speaker 8: like some sort of character arc and character development of this.
Speaker 7: Of a guy, I'm not really here for it.
Speaker 8: However, it was kind of dope the way the dragon
Speaker 8: came and barn everything up. I mean they I saw
Speaker 8: like me going around, like when they say you and
Speaker 8: your pet started to look alike and they both got
Speaker 8: the So, I mean, I thought it was it was
Speaker 8: the second best scene of this episode.
Speaker 9: It's really good writing because I was just saying, man,
Speaker 9: why would they just kill him already? And then for
Speaker 9: them to do that and kind of make you change
Speaker 9: your tune a little bit on him and like, wait
Speaker 9: a minute, it might be something here, you know what
Speaker 9: I mean, especially with a with a jack though dragon,
Speaker 9: you know what I mean? Like, so I don't know,
Speaker 9: Like I was thinking, like, damn, I did not like
Speaker 9: this guy, and I'm still don't quite like him, but
Speaker 9: I am I'm a little bit interested. Again, it did
Speaker 9: piqued my interest to see what they do with this.
Speaker 9: So yeah, I just left this scene thinking like, no,
Speaker 9: this is good ass.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, Rod, I got a question for you, since
Speaker 3: you liked this saying so much, how dangerous is a
Speaker 3: dragon that can't fly?
Speaker 7: He can't fly? You don't think you can fly?
Speaker 2: I don't think you can fly? He had to fly,
Speaker 2: because how's we have gotten there? He walked? He you
Speaker 2: think he drag You think that dragon fly? Yeah? That
Speaker 2: dragon can't fly? He can? I think he healed up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he came. He came out there.
Speaker 6: He looked like Vi Sias but aesthetically he's fucked up,
Speaker 6: but he can definitely fly.
Speaker 2: And he's pissed now too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he had those bombs around him and stuff
Speaker 3: like that picking out of him, and ship.
Speaker 2: Looked. Yeah, they came up.
Speaker 7: That's what is.
Speaker 4: How do you know how he looks like?
Speaker 2: Good? Point? He heard anybody talking about it?
Speaker 17: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Could that be quarts? If he can't fly?
Speaker 2: He can fly? I like it. If you couldn't, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that'd be dope. How's he gonna get around?
Speaker 2: He's even why even bringing back from the dead.
Speaker 3: Do you think the dragon is useless if he can't fly? Yes, now, Lizard.
Speaker 1: Us in this episode, everybody in that army was stupid
Speaker 1: as hell because they heard and.
Speaker 2: Saw that damn dragon. They didn't run and they asked
Speaker 2: him run. Well they got.
Speaker 9: They run up and got done up. But any other case,
Speaker 9: that's not going to be the case, you know what
Speaker 9: I'm saying, Like, like he would have to travel to
Speaker 9: get to someone like that. That's that's not how that works.
Speaker 6: It's the only time that that's gonna work where you
Speaker 6: can walk up and burn people on fire as a dragon.
Speaker 2: Any other time you gotta fly up.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think I think a god.
Speaker 3: I think how different where he at where you gotta be.
Speaker 3: I think the dragon symbolizes a goon struggle too. They
Speaker 3: both they both limited, They both limited but still powerful.
Speaker 2: No, I agree that they are both limited but still powerful.
Speaker 6: There's still got to be a way that that dragon
Speaker 6: and a gon can It's hurt power without the normal
Speaker 6: means what we know them for.
Speaker 2: Maybe he can't fly that fast or I'll say.
Speaker 7: That, I'll give him that, but to not fly at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he can fly. He can definitely fly.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it may be a little shaky, a little shaky flight.
Speaker 2: But yeah he might lean to one five.
Speaker 9: Right, They gotta spend time.
Speaker 3: We didn't see Na Massia have an the conversation at
Speaker 3: night after she learned about dam miss the seat, but
Speaker 3: now Nera questions she's questioning everybody and including Massarah's true intentions. Mike,
Speaker 3: what did you think of this conversation, especially after seeing
Speaker 3: everything that Massarah went through this episode, do you think
Speaker 3: she's setting herself up for failure?
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I think this show has been a lot
Speaker 5: about people not listening to the people around them.
Speaker 2: And when the other I guess you can call her hooker.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it feels weird.
Speaker 5: But when the other lady came and told her, like, look,
Speaker 5: everybody near they see you as a whore, I don't
Speaker 5: know why it's not clicking. So then she's still going
Speaker 5: to Ranera talking like she's valuable. You're yeah, you're valuable
Speaker 5: for now. But the second Ranera wins, she has no
Speaker 5: use for you.
Speaker 3: And my thing was, I thought it was a mistake
Speaker 3: for Massa to even sleep with Ranera, just because she's
Speaker 3: proven the point of her friend again that like they're
Speaker 3: all like, are they really seeing you as just like
Speaker 3: someone they like to talk to before they had sex.
Speaker 3: Because the way hey, lou ray Ren there laid back
Speaker 3: like a nigga who was about to get his dick suck.
Speaker 2: Yeap she did with that she did.
Speaker 6: Yep, you know what, God, the gods liked me, like
Speaker 6: what yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: She laid back with no no, all nonverbal.
Speaker 1: Like yeah she was she was laying it on thick
Speaker 1: though she was She was definitely laying on thick.
Speaker 2: But I like that though, Kim, because it was.
Speaker 6: One sense of her not really understanding if Raniera knew
Speaker 6: that she had the secret that she was holding from
Speaker 6: Alison and the baby, and it was also another.
Speaker 2: Persona in the sense of.
Speaker 6: I'm just trying to do this so I can get
Speaker 6: in good. I like the way that they wrote that, Yeah,
Speaker 6: she got in here.
Speaker 1: No, I agree, huh none, Okay, now, I agree. I
Speaker 1: think it's it's definitely that that conversation really struck a
Speaker 1: chord with her, and I think she realized that that's
Speaker 1: what she's there for, and she's going to do her
Speaker 1: duty and stay around for that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 7: I think I'm with Kem. I agree.
Speaker 4: She's she's starting to treat Branera the way she treated
Speaker 4: Damn and understanding that even though even though Ranera may
Speaker 4: think it's more.
Speaker 7: Than what it is, it's really not.
Speaker 8: So let me manipulate the what I know will keep
Speaker 8: me around.
Speaker 2: Oh that's what y'all think. I think I think it
Speaker 2: was a mistake doing that, but I think that's what
Speaker 2: it is. Yeah, I don't think it's gonna work.
Speaker 5: But maybe she's desperate too at this point.
Speaker 2: M hmm. You said that's what y'all think. What do
Speaker 2: you think, Mike, I'll bet I mean I wasn't thinking
Speaker 2: that she was manipulating Ranera.
Speaker 5: I think she genuinely likes Ranera, and she genuinely thinks
Speaker 5: Vernera likes her and thinks that she's valuable.
Speaker 2: I think that she's just she's I think she's being
Speaker 2: kind of naive in this in this moment. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: I read it totally differently.
Speaker 6: I think that she thinks Ranera is naive and that
Speaker 6: she can get over on her doing these type of
Speaker 6: things that she's doing to her.
Speaker 5: And see that's the case, then why did the other
Speaker 5: hooker tell her? You realize everybody here just sees you
Speaker 5: as a whore. And she looked she looked hurt.
Speaker 2: When she heard that. She was like, dang, they do huh.
Speaker 5: The truth, the truth, but exactly the truth hurts. But
Speaker 5: if she already knew that, then it wouldn't have hurt.
Speaker 5: If she she.
Speaker 7: She already knew it.
Speaker 8: I think hearing her friends say that, and then especially
Speaker 8: seeing the way Ramier did not believe that Damon would
Speaker 8: do that. It made her realize, oh, Ship's right.
Speaker 7: Okay, she's right.
Speaker 4: And if that's the case, let me solidify my position.
Speaker 2: And that your best.
Speaker 3: I think she actually thought that she worked herself out
Speaker 3: of that position of just being seen as that thought.
Speaker 3: I think she thought that she god okay.
Speaker 8: Yes, because at the end of the day she kicked
Speaker 8: Damon out the room and then went them as serious.
Speaker 5: But that's what That's why I thought that Syria thought
Speaker 5: she really did value her.
Speaker 2: But okay, I get what you'll say. We didn't move
Speaker 2: on to that.
Speaker 3: I guess the most interesting part of this episode how
Speaker 3: it closes out where we finally get to see who
Speaker 3: Ormond was talking about as far as his peace on
Speaker 3: the board, and we learned that Olof is the secret
Speaker 3: mold that he has inside of King's landing, Ken, what
Speaker 3: did you think of Olof in this episode?
Speaker 2: With this conversation with.
Speaker 1: Ormond completely caught me off guard because I did not
Speaker 1: see this coming. I think I do have a question
Speaker 1: was has he been the spot this whole time or
Speaker 1: is he turning him now?
Speaker 2: After the slap.
Speaker 5: From from they've been talking for a minute because that
Speaker 5: he said, remember last time they've been talking for a minute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. This was the first conversation. I don't
Speaker 2: think he's a spy though. I think that.
Speaker 5: I think that that that after that that pop in
Speaker 5: the mouth, I think Ormond kind of started talking to
Speaker 5: him then and he's been trying Yeah, yeah, I think
Speaker 5: he's been trying to do something over for a minute.
Speaker 7: That ship was funny. He's like, man, hey, man, the
Speaker 7: street's talking. Man, I heard you got slapped up in this.
Speaker 2: I heard you popping off like that. Bro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think it's I don't know, I can't
Speaker 3: pinpoint the exact time.
Speaker 2: I think it maybe before the slap that he's been
Speaker 2: talking to him.
Speaker 3: I think the slap was just I think the slap
Speaker 3: was just more of the confirmation that needed to really
Speaker 3: buy into what Ormond was doing. But I think it
Speaker 3: was before the slap because it seemed like between their
Speaker 3: last conversation and when they met up just then was
Speaker 3: the slap. So it was like, that's why he was like,
Speaker 3: I heard from the last time we talked, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I heard you got And the reason the reason why
Speaker 1: I was asking was that I was who I was
Speaker 1: thinking about.
Speaker 2: The gold clothes and how all of them were murdered.
Speaker 1: That's what I was wanting to get that close to
Speaker 1: them outside of unless it was somebody that.
Speaker 3: I was thinking who given that, I was saying, who
Speaker 3: give him that information of where they would be at?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the killing nobody.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, he just said that.
Speaker 2: For Yeah, I never thought about that until you just
Speaker 2: said it.
Speaker 9: And I could play into like why he was disrespecting
Speaker 9: the gold close in the industry that when I was
Speaker 9: confused about.
Speaker 7: That, I'm like, why would he speak to them that way?
Speaker 7: You're right, mm hmm mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: And then like rout to your point as far as
Speaker 3: like how he's been acting. Obviously he's always wanted the castle.
Speaker 3: He wanted the crib as well. When Ormond offered him, Like, hey, bro,
Speaker 3: I got the master of the scenes locked up. You
Speaker 3: could take his whole kingdom, Bros. Like I've been asking
Speaker 3: for a house and you're giving me a whole You
Speaker 3: give me the whole block. Like he can't say no
Speaker 3: to that, He said, you.
Speaker 7: Tell him everything he wanted to. He like, man, a
Speaker 7: man should should be able to enjoy his Uh, what say.
Speaker 9: Spoiled? I forgotten word to you. But I thought I
Speaker 9: was like, man, he really laying it all thick man?
Speaker 3: It was to me it was lou It was the
Speaker 3: way that looked like he looked at the camera. Your
Speaker 3: He's a goofy person, but this one was kind of
Speaker 3: creepy when he was like, nah, I want them, I
Speaker 3: want them to burn and he just smiled.
Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, this this he's insane because.
Speaker 6: I felt like he thought that everything that he felt
Speaker 6: like he was lied to y'all betrayed me.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 6: It really was yeah, yeah, all the ship that I
Speaker 6: thought I signed up for, it wasn't this y'all trying
Speaker 6: to get me to go do this thing that I
Speaker 6: don't even give a fuck about. What I do give
Speaker 6: a fuck about is having a castle and having these
Speaker 6: things that come with being high born, and y'all telling
Speaker 6: me that, oh, I can't help you.
Speaker 2: So yeah, of course he's gonna flip. Yep. But can
Speaker 2: you trust Ormond to come through on what he's saying too?
Speaker 6: But look, it don't even matter if I can trust you,
Speaker 6: if you can come through, Kenny, you're telling me what
Speaker 6: I want to hear exactly, versus Rania and the people
Speaker 6: on her side are telling me stuff that, like, I
Speaker 6: didn't even sign up for this. I don't want a dragon.
Speaker 6: I don't care about any of this. None of this
Speaker 6: shit matters to me. But if you're telling me I
Speaker 6: can get a castle, I can get some hot chick
Speaker 6: that's going to be my queen at this castle, then yes,
Speaker 6: I want to do this. But if you're telling me, oh,
Speaker 6: ride dragons for me and go to the wars for
Speaker 6: me and kill people from me, no, I don't want
Speaker 6: to do that.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, bron, I'll just.
Speaker 7: Say that's what he signed up for, though he knew
Speaker 7: that's what he signed up for.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he thought he was going to be getting something
Speaker 5: out of it, and he's gotten nothing. And that's what
Speaker 5: I was gonna say in response to, like, can he
Speaker 5: trust Orman to come through?
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter because right now I don't.
Speaker 5: Have shit shit, And just like Spike said, I don't
Speaker 5: have shit right now. But at least this dude's telling
Speaker 5: me I am gonna have something. Ranera's just being like,
Speaker 5: get the fuck out my face. You can't even go
Speaker 5: have a be with your friends. Shut up and just
Speaker 5: wait for me to tell you what to do next.
Speaker 2: And he's empowering him too, he was.
Speaker 3: I think he was like complimenting him, like you're gonna
Speaker 3: be able to show who the true person that you
Speaker 3: are and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Like he's building him up. Everybody over there.
Speaker 3: In King's Land has been breaking him down, either by
Speaker 3: his physical restrictions from Ranera or by mental limitations, with
Speaker 3: Damon saying like, bro, you ain't shit.
Speaker 2: You lucky to be here.
Speaker 5: Ormand is giving him like that type of game, because
Speaker 5: like when someone's trying to take your girl and tell
Speaker 5: him the girl, oh get man, ain't doing shit for
Speaker 5: you anyway, Just come over here. He's he's telling him
Speaker 5: exactly what he needs to be telling him in that moment.
Speaker 5: That's something that Ormond is good at, and that's something
Speaker 5: Rinera is terrible at.
Speaker 3: Oh so you're talking about the same dirty back in
Speaker 3: that Peter Parker did.
Speaker 2: To Zadiya in The Brand New Day. I don't think
Speaker 2: he dirty back information he didn't have for it.
Speaker 3: Hey, that's still dirty back in one on one, but
Speaker 3: that's on the review. But but yeah, n do you
Speaker 3: feel like it was justified and switching his side, like
Speaker 3: switching side like this justified?
Speaker 8: No, nigga, you went to riding dragons in the middle
Speaker 8: of a war. It's like going to sign up for
Speaker 8: the army and being mad, you gotta fight, so nigga,
Speaker 8: you gotta wait till the war is over before you
Speaker 8: get your reward. I don't know, so no, I mean,
Speaker 8: but it's it's in Olof's character, like, this is not
Speaker 8: this isn't super surprising to me.
Speaker 7: We all saw this kind of coming. So no, it's not.
Speaker 7: It's not. It's as expected. Do I think it's justified?
Speaker 4: Not necessarily, but it's it's as expected.
Speaker 3: I think for me, it's like, at least with the
Speaker 3: army you get army benefits and he ain't got none
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 2: So I get I. Yes, that's the only other way
Speaker 2: I could think about it.
Speaker 3: But the question that I'm now asking myself that y'all
Speaker 3: brought up in a different way, was like, can Orman
Speaker 3: trust Ulof?
Speaker 2: Because as much as Ulof.
Speaker 3: Is like riding form and giving them all this information, Now,
Speaker 3: if he's able to be switched to switch sides based
Speaker 3: off of just like material things, I feel like something. Again,
Speaker 3: A lot of things can happen, but I feel like
Speaker 3: they it's interesting that he's trusting him with all this
Speaker 3: information as far as like where he's at, what he's
Speaker 3: up to. Ulof can easily tell somebody else this and
Speaker 3: it can go a different way.
Speaker 2: True. True, Can you trust him?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Whenever we've seen isn't smart enough to
Speaker 1: use him as a double agent. But if presented with
Speaker 1: the opportunity to switch sides, he probably would switch to
Speaker 1: preserve himself.
Speaker 2: I can see that, Yeah.
Speaker 4: But I think the Orman is smart enough to identify that.
Speaker 4: If I could split him so easily, he could also
Speaker 4: easily be flipped. So I don't think is gonna be
Speaker 4: around very long.
Speaker 3: That's unfortunate. Easy come, easy go. Any other thoughts on
Speaker 3: this episode?
Speaker 7: Super solid?
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: All right, well those are our thoughts on this episode
Speaker 3: of House of the Dragon. Please let us know what
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Speaker 3: you on the season finale next week out peace.
Speaker 2: Nice