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Speaker 1: we're halfway through the work week. Later, chematologist and author

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Speaker 1: Tony will preview Tuesday's forty day ascension celebration for doctor

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Speaker 1: prestigious award from his hometown of Chicago, also share insights

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Speaker 1: commemoration of Bloody Sunday. But to get a starting momentarily,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to speak with the Central Florida Investigative

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Speaker 1: reporter Jeff Gallop and pastor Oliver Wells. But first let's

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Speaker 1: get Kevin opened the classroom doors on this Wednesday morning,

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Speaker 1: Grand Rising, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising, indeed Count Nelson, And I'm telling you it

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Speaker 2: is a wonderful Wednesday after staying up late watching a

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Speaker 2: two hour a two hour State of the Union?

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Speaker 3: Is the Union that bad? But before we go.

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Speaker 1: There, how you feeling I'm still learning? Kevin? I'm still learning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they say there's no telling how many miles. You

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Speaker 2: have to run if you're chasing a dream. I think

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Speaker 2: that the president is chasing something.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: If you anybody that had a chance to watch, I

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Speaker 3: That shows you I'm dedicated. Girl.

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Speaker 1: There you are, Hey, Kevin, Donald Trump will be proud

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Speaker 3: Probably he's a very good listener.

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Speaker 1: But you know what he thinks. It's kind of like

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Speaker 1: when when you're having a debate, you speak the longest

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Speaker 1: thinks that's a psychological effect. But you know, but who

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Speaker 1: Was he Stevie? Whose son?

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Speaker 3: It was James Brown?

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Speaker 1: It was James Brown?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, knife, you just kidding, right, man?

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Speaker 2: And if anybody personified that it was last night and

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Speaker 2: watching him speak and you know, turning his head, I

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Speaker 2: recap of what okay. Last night. He gave the Legion

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Speaker 3: Of some of those awards.

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Speaker 2: But you know, he talked about the terroriffs a lot

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Speaker 1: No, he's got to walk that fin line because he

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Speaker 1: That's when he gets into trouble when when he fears

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Speaker 2: He never said, right, and something about trump our ex.

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Speaker 2: It's a rate payer protection.

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Speaker 1: But he's still he's still he had well twelve years

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Speaker 2: He reiterated his call to bar private equity from gobbling

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Speaker 3: It was interesting speech.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but five members of the hockey team did not

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Speaker 3: It was a fantastic move.

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Speaker 2: Well, he he said that he's got a thing called

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Speaker 2: And uh, I mean, you know it was a two

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Speaker 1: they don't hold back when it comes to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: ranting Donald Trump gives unhinged state of the Union, full

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Speaker 1: Think about what he did.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to talk real quick about Fritz Hollered.

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Speaker 2: Was he at the table, bill your own table and

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Speaker 2: he was the first African American coach in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: And I keep the story brief because your guests are

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Speaker 2: standing by, and that's the way it is. On the

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Speaker 2: twenty five February, thanks for your time.

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Speaker 1: All right, Thanks Kevin, all right, family, thirteen minutes at

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Speaker 1: the top of the l As mentioned, we have an

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter from central Florida, Jeff Gallipuli's Grand Rising, Jeff.

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Speaker 5: Grand Resident, good morning from Florida.

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Speaker 1: All right, and Pastor Oliver Wells, Pastor Wells, Grand Rising,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the program.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, welcome, welcome to you.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, a nice and warm in Florida. Jeff,

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Speaker 1: before we get into you know, we're talking about legacy

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Speaker 1: van Jesse Jackson, just give us a short summation. Did

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Speaker 4: View, Yes, I did.

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Speaker 5: Will I watched the let's say, the first hour of.

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, but fellas, let's let's talk about Reverend

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Speaker 1: Thanks for waking up with us on this Wednesday morning

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Speaker 1: Reverend Jesse Jackson and Pastor Wells. I understand you're a

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Speaker 1: Grammy Award winning musician. Before you tell us about meeting,

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Speaker 6: My background is that I've done music, and thanks for asking,

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Speaker 6: I've been involved with a blessed to be involved with

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Speaker 1: And we'll do a favorite name drops some for us.

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Speaker 1: Some of the people you've name drop, name drop.

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Speaker 8: Go ahead, Okay, Well I've I've worked with a whole

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Speaker 6: I've done. I've been able to God's been good. I've

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Speaker 1: Wow, So so this was you. You You've been around

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Speaker 6: No, listen, I was unaware of when I walked I

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Speaker 4: To me, all right.

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Speaker 1: Twenty five at the top. They are Jeff and Jeff.

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Speaker 1: You've met Reverend Jackson. Like most I guess just about

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Speaker 1: every reporter is worth his salt has met Reverend Jackson.

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Speaker 1: You know, he just knows everybody. But you what do

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Speaker 7: Well, the first time I met him, I was a

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Speaker 4: A few three famed them and were looking at.

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Speaker 1: Ask you this, Jeff, because you've met a lot of

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Speaker 7: You met, well, some of the folks that have met,

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Speaker 7: Lot of different things, you know, I've met a lot

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Speaker 4: My fault, all right.

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Speaker 1: Oh that sorry. The thirty minutes after the top of

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Speaker 1: He's an investigative reporter. Hears you're talking about news and

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Speaker 1: Oliver Wells. As a youngster, he got a chance to

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Speaker 6: Well, my father, well he had known them, and this

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Speaker 6: King had just been assassinated, and Ralph, Reverend Ralph David

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Speaker 6: Abernet came to know pretty well in Atlanta when I

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Speaker 6: got theft. Reverend abernatfew had been chosen as the leader

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Speaker 6: of SCLC and of course, we know that Jesse moved

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Speaker 6: at that time to create a push people united to

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Speaker 6: save humanity. So it was a lot of by meeting

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Speaker 6: these icons that my father had already known because of

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Speaker 6: his time in Nashville, Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: Twenty eight minutes away from the top there, I founidly

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Speaker 1: just joined us. So that was a voice of Pastor

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Speaker 1: Oliver Wells. And also we got investigative reporter Jeff Gallop.

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Speaker 1: You've heard Jeff before, It's been hon it before, pasted

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Speaker 1: Oliver Wells first time were discussing the legacy of Reverend

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Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson. Jeff, how would you sum up the Reverend

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Speaker 1: Jackson's legacy?

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Speaker 7: He had an amazing life. This was someone who touched

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Speaker 7: literally millions of people, you know, with his presidential run,

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Speaker 7: that which don't no doubt you know, got most Americans

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Speaker 7: acclimated to the idea that a black candidate could run

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Speaker 7: for president in a serious fashion. Right, You'd always had,

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Speaker 7: you know, Shirley chishom Ran. But there was very the

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Speaker 7: chances for Jesse Jackson to come up and say, hey,

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Speaker 7: I want to become president. People took that, for whatever reason,

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Speaker 7: even more seriously because of his rhetorical style, his impact

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Speaker 7: on the nation and internationally as well. Right not to

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Speaker 7: mention the fact that this was someone who stepped outside

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Speaker 7: of civil rights and pursued the release of hostages in

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Speaker 7: areas like Syria or you know, overseas, and he dealt

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Speaker 7: with international leaders as well. So his legacy, although somewhat

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Speaker 7: complex in some areas, is I would think solid is

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Speaker 7: any American icon that we've seen.

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Speaker 1: So, how do you think America will remember Jesse Jackson?

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Speaker 7: Well, we'll, we'll, we'll see. I think right now, you know,

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Speaker 7: he's going to be laying lying in state in South Carolina.

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Speaker 7: He the memorial is going to be I think next

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Speaker 7: week it's it's I think it's it's.

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Speaker 4: It's it's set.

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Speaker 7: You know, historians like to give folks about fifty years

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Speaker 7: and then they start seeing if that that person's story

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Speaker 7: still resonates with with historians, And I think I worry

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Speaker 7: about Jesse Jackson's legacy in that part.

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Speaker 1: How about you, Pastor Wells, how do you think his

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Speaker 1: legacy will be the defining moment of Reverend Jesse Jackson's legacy.

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Speaker 6: Uh, I think I'm with Jeff on this. His legacy

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Speaker 6: in h in America should be secure if it's not

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Speaker 6: re characterized by individuals that want to really paint him

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Speaker 6: and portray him as something other than what he was.

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Speaker 6: Jesse Jackson was huge his Uh. His rhetoric was challenging

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Speaker 6: and engaging and persuasive. And when he talked, uh, he

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Speaker 6: he was absolutely challenging and so uh it was hard

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Speaker 6: to refute what he would say. Uh. He had fact figures, statistics.

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Speaker 6: He Jesse Jackson was as prepared, not just from a

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Speaker 6: politicians standpoint, but from a preacher's standpoint. He was prepared

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Speaker 6: to do the work that he did, and he touched millions.

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Speaker 6: I'm with Jeff on that millions of lives and uh,

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Speaker 6: and if America will accept him as he is, uh,

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Speaker 6: he will have a huge inspirational, encouraging place in this

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Speaker 6: nation's history. However, this nation is known to make something

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Speaker 6: other than those that they see, but it takes the

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Speaker 6: people to hold on to the legacy and to the

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Speaker 6: knowledge of who that person was and what that person did.

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Speaker 1: Great point, Listen, we got to step aside and get

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Speaker 1: caught up with a Ladies news family just joining us.

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Speaker 1: I guess they just heard Pastor Oliver Wells also investigative

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Speaker 1: reporter Jeff Gallop from Central Florida. They'll be discussing the

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Speaker 1: legacy of Reverend Jesse Jackson. What are your thoughts? You

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Speaker 1: want to get in on this conversation, reach out to us.

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Speaker 1: Our telephone number is eight hundred four or five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six, and we'll takeing phone calls after

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Speaker 1: we check the news, trafficing weather in our different cities.

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Speaker 1: That's next and Grant Rising family, Welcome to Wednesday. Just

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Speaker 1: getting up on this hump day. That means we're having

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Speaker 1: through the work week. Our guests are investigative reporter Jeff Gallup.

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Speaker 1: You've heard him here before. He is out of Central Florida.

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Speaker 1: Also Pastor Oliver Wells. Pastor Wells is also a musician,

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Speaker 1: a Grammy Award musician as well. I'm discussing the legacy

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Speaker 1: of Reverend Jesse Jackson. Before we go back there, let

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Speaker 1: me just remind you. Later this morning, we're gonna speak

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Speaker 1: with author and chematologists Brother Tony Browner. And also we're

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Speaker 1: gonna speak a sister fire Rose Touay. She's going to

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Speaker 1: update us on the jubilee commemoration of Bloody Sunday that's

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Speaker 1: coming up next month and tomorrow we're will be joined

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Speaker 1: by the Master Teacher himself, ashra Quasi, and also historian

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Speaker 1: Michael Motep will be here. So if you're in Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: make sure your radios locked in tight on ten ten

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Speaker 1: WLB or if you're in a DMV from fourteen fifteen WL.

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Speaker 1: All Right, fellows, have got a question for both of you. Man,

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Speaker 1: the loss of Jesse Jackson's huge loss to the movement,

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Speaker 1: who do you think is prepared to step in and

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Speaker 1: fight for black people? Pastor Wells, I'm going to give

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Speaker 1: you the first shout at that. Who do you see

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Speaker 1: stepping forward? And do we need somebody to step forward?

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Speaker 4: M I do.

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Speaker 6: I do believe that you need uh credible individuals to forward? Uh.

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Speaker 6: I just do know that at this point, uh, we're

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Speaker 6: so divided in our faults uh as as black people,

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Speaker 6: and then we have a lot of different challenges before

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Speaker 6: uh so Uh. Of course, the one individual that comes

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Speaker 6: to my mind that I feel is uniquely prepared to

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Speaker 6: handle this is the past of New Births Baptist Church

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Speaker 6: in Atlanta, Georgia. However, I'm not even gonna call his

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Speaker 6: name and really just that he's the only person. Because

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Speaker 6: what we need now are leaders, people who are willing

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Speaker 6: to sacrifice themselves for this unique role. And it's not

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Speaker 6: just one person. Uh, it needs to be numerous individuals.

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Speaker 6: And that's that's what we had in the sixties that

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Speaker 6: we don't have really, uh don't have those the same

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Speaker 6: level of voices. And if we have the level of voices,

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Speaker 6: they don't have the same level of commitment. So uh so,

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Speaker 6: because when you take on this role, as you talk

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Speaker 6: about Jesse Jackson stepping up, when you talk about that,

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Speaker 6: you talk about a different a different level of engagement.

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Speaker 6: So I think we need different voice.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's an astudent analysis. Pastor Wells, thank you for that. Jeff.

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Speaker 1: As a reporter, do you agree with what Pastor Wells

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Speaker 1: Wells just said or do you see somebody out there

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Speaker 1: that you've been covering, that you've been reading about, that

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Speaker 1: will take up the mantle from Reverend Jackson and you'll

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Speaker 1: propel us to the next level.

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Speaker 7: Well, number one, I think I don't think anyone can

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Speaker 7: step into those shoes too easily at this point. And

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Speaker 7: then the other observation that I would make is that

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Speaker 7: we've shifted from the pulpit to the political and you're

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Speaker 7: seeing more political leaders show up. I don't know that

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Speaker 7: they will satisfy the need for what the people are

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Speaker 7: looking for when it comes to civil rights and to

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Speaker 7: fight for justice. You do have political folks like Barack Obama,

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Speaker 7: you know, former president of Barack Obama. You have folks

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Speaker 7: like Jasmine Crocket who's running right now for Senate. Now

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Speaker 7: in the polkit you do have some younger leaders, and

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Speaker 7: that's always important. Jamal Brian I agree with Reverend Wells

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Speaker 7: that Jamal Brian has been outspoken, and you do also

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Speaker 7: have folks like Otis Moss, I believe it's in Chicago

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Speaker 7: who's also done some good work in terms of speaking

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Speaker 7: about some of these issues as well. But to his point, sacrifice.

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Speaker 7: You know, when doctor King was assassinated, he died, broke

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Speaker 7: a lot of the civil rights leaders who came along

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Speaker 7: with him. Although some did profit, a lot of them

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Speaker 7: were financially strapped. You know, they sacrificed everything to get

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Speaker 7: out to march, to walk, to be beaten for the

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Speaker 7: right of people to vote. So is that commitment here today?

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Speaker 7: We are very divided as a people, as a community,

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Speaker 7: as a nation. You know, so I don't know. No

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Speaker 7: one really stands out like a Jesse Jackson at this point.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's another great analysis. Thanks Jev Pastor. Though people

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Speaker 1: say the pulpit is remaining the pulpit and leave politics alone,

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Speaker 1: but you're also a musician, do you believe in that

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Speaker 1: that you should just stay with the congregation and not

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Speaker 1: getting to politics and not getting into the music industry

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Speaker 1: like yourself.

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Speaker 6: Listen, I believe, Carl, I have a firm belief that

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Speaker 6: that the pulpit is really no good unless you're reaching

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Speaker 6: the public sphere and you're really able to affect.

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Speaker 4: Public life.

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Speaker 6: That's one of the reasons that I talked about or

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Speaker 6: mentioned Jamal Brian didn't call it his name because I

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Speaker 6: was almost hesitant to do so. But a new birth

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Speaker 6: has a history of reaching reaching the public. List of

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Speaker 6: these ministries, whoever they are, whoever the person is, all right,

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Speaker 6: they have to have one foot I do believe this.

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Speaker 6: They need to have one foot uh in uh in

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Speaker 6: uh the spiritual, whether it be the pulpit or not,

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Speaker 6: they have to. They need to have a church background

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Speaker 6: that undergirds of what their what their rhetoric and their

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Speaker 6: theology would have been when engaging the public, because here's

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Speaker 6: the thing. A person is no good in public unless

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Speaker 6: they're any good in private on their knees. And so

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Speaker 6: what we need are people that have a moral conscience,

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Speaker 6: a moral center and so uh yeah, I'm I'm believe

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Speaker 6: in that. You got to have somebody uh that and

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Speaker 6: really addresses both.

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Speaker 1: All right, ten away from the top of a hour

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Speaker 1: with they just say the voice of Pastor Oliver Wells

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Speaker 1: family just checking in. And also Jeff Galp is with us,

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Speaker 1: and Jeff you've heard him before, his investigative reporter. Pastor

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Speaker 1: Wells is going to ask you this question though you're

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Speaker 1: going to represent the entire Black Church now because it's

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Speaker 1: in portions of our community are really critical of the

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Speaker 1: Black Church. They say they don't do enough for us,

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Speaker 1: and they only open up on Sundays and only take

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Speaker 1: up a collection. I'm sure you've heard the critique before.

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Speaker 1: Your response, my response.

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Speaker 6: Very clearly with that is that the Black Church does

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Speaker 6: more with less than any of the any of the

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Speaker 6: notable church that you can that you could bring up.

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Speaker 8: We have a whole lot.

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Speaker 6: Of individuals who have criticism. But at the same time, uh,

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Speaker 6: when you see some of these other people groups and

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Speaker 6: the churches that they have they have listen, they have

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Speaker 6: a whole lot more to work with than what we do.

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Speaker 6: The God himself is behind what happens to the Black church.

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Speaker 6: And dare I say this that the future of this country,

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Speaker 6: and I would dare say of the world depends on

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Speaker 6: the activity of black people across the globe, because the

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Speaker 6: world itself will rise and fall with the spiritual activity

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Speaker 6: of black people on this globe.

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Speaker 1: Away from the top down right, Pastor Jeff, before I

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Speaker 1: go to you, just someone just sent me a notice

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Speaker 1: that the Word Network, the Gospel Network, they're going to

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Speaker 1: broadcast the Reverend Jackson's funeral service, so they're gonna do

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Speaker 1: it live. And I got to ask your question, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: about the fact that he tried to get you know,

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Speaker 1: the president to lower the flags and having you know,

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Speaker 1: buried of lane lying state, if you will, and he

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Speaker 1: was refused. Was that big of a deal because some

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Speaker 1: people thought he should have been be able to delie

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Speaker 1: and stay in the rotunda and all this stuff. So

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Speaker 1: people say, we don't need their val validation. We're always

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Speaker 1: seeking white people's validation. We can we can lift up

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Speaker 1: the Reverend Jackson in our own way, What are your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on all of that.

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Speaker 7: Well, what I would say is this, we're a nation

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Speaker 7: of three hundred and forty million people were diverse. We

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Speaker 7: we fight for this country from all communities.

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Speaker 4: People are in.

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Speaker 7: The military, they work in government, and it's not a

655
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Speaker 7: bad thing just reading history to recognize the contributions of

656
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Speaker 7: your citizens, whether you agree with them always or not.

657
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 7: In this particular case, I think Jesse Jackson has served.

658
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 7: He served this country not in the military, but in

659
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Speaker 7: the realm of civil rights and the dogg at pursuit

660
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 7: of justice. He ran for president, he rescued hostages, he

661
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 7: did all of these different things, touched millions, counseled presidents. Right,

662
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Speaker 7: So some folks were put off by the fact that,

663
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Speaker 7: you know, you didn't have the flag's lord, you won't

664
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Speaker 7: have him lying in state. So the other side of

665
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 7: that is that there are people in the community who

666
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 7: would say, we don't need any more validation. Jesse Jackson

667
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 7: himself probably would rise and say it's all right because

668
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 7: I have a validation in heaven or something to that effect.

669
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Speaker 7: You know, I don't want to put words in his mouth,

670
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 7: but there are two ways to look at it, and

671
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 7: I think the nation probably at this point, is looking

672
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 7: to be united, not necessarily in rhetoric, but in action

673
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Speaker 7: as well.

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Speaker 1: Well, you watched the speech last night. Did was his

675
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: name mentioned at all?

676
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Speaker 7: I didn't hear a number of names. Jeffrey Epstein, I

677
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 7: didn't hear that name. I didn't hear the name of

678
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Speaker 7: Jesse Jackson. I didn't hear others. But but you know,

679
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 7: that's okay because the speech is written to promote a

680
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 7: particular political viewpoint. But we have a lot of issues

681
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 7: that we're facing right now, and I think we don't

682
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 7: have a We don't have the voices out there who

683
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 7: are calling for unity as strong as say a Jesse Jackson.

684
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Speaker 7: You know you mentioned, you mentioned the sacrifice. Back in

685
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 7: the day, there was a rabbi by the name of

686
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Speaker 7: Abraham Heschel who was best friends with doctor Martin Luther King,

687
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Speaker 7: And he said one of the things that made doctor

688
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 7: King different was that he had a prophet's voice. He

689
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 7: could go to the street and say the word of God,

690
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 7: and then he could go to the White House and

691
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 7: say the word of God and not differentiate between the two.

692
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Speaker 7: The word of God was simply the word of God.

693
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 7: You didn't pair back or par back. You know that

694
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Speaker 7: impact that you were trying to tell the president, Hey,

695
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 7: this is right, this is wrong. You didn't he didn't

696
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 7: hold back. You don't have that today. And if there

697
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 7: was a prophet's voice, they probably would call out and say,

698
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 7: do the right thing. Whether it's so Jeffrey Epstein, or

699
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 7: whether it's Witches Jackson, whether it's with the unemployed or whoever,

700
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Speaker 7: do the right thing.

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Speaker 1: Was it a missed opportunity, Jeff.

702
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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 7: All I would say is you know this again, this

704
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 7: is a nation of millions, and every politician you know,

705
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 7: they have their particular goals and values. I think you

706
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 7: have to kind of listen and see what people are

707
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 7: talking about. I think this would have been a great

708
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 7: opportunity to reach out, but for whatever reason, it wasn't taken.

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Speaker 1: All right, all that aught right there. We got to

710
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: check the traffic and weather and out different cities. We

711
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: come back though past the wells. I got a question

712
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: for you. You can think about it doing the break.

713
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: What is needed to heal this country and more specifically,

714
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 1: what is needed to bring the black people, black people

715
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: folks together? What's needed to unite us? Can the church

716
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: do it. I'll let you respond to that when we

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Speaker 1: get back. Family, just checking in. It's four minutes away

718
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: from the top of the hour. I guess we just heard.

719
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Speaker 1: Jeff Gallopy's an investigative reporter out of Central Florida. Along

720
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Speaker 1: we've passed to Oliver Wells as a preacher there in

721
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: that part of the country. You got questions for them,

722
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred and four five

723
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Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone

724
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: calls after we check the traffic and weather. That's next

725
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: and grand rising family, just waking up. I guess the

726
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: Jeff Gallopy's an investigative reporter from Central Florida. Here, Jeff

727
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: usually reporting on stories that he's working on in the

728
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: newspaper down there. And also we have Pastor Oliver Wells

729
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: is a pastor in the same era as Jeff and

730
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Speaker 1: Pastor well As. You mentioned that the country is divided,

731
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Speaker 1: especially the Black community dividing. What can the Black church again,

732
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Speaker 1: I'm putting you on the spot to speak for the

733
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Speaker 1: entire Black clergy. What can the Black church do to

734
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Speaker 1: to bridge that gap to bring us together?

735
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Speaker 6: Well, the Black church can get together. First a Carl

736
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 6: before you look, I was questioning in my mind who

737
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Speaker 6: you were talking about being unified. But if you're talking

738
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 6: about the Black community, it's the Black church that needs

739
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 6: to become unified first. It's hard for us to uh

740
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Speaker 6: to talk about the business bringing others together when Black

741
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 6: clergy really aren't on the same footing. The diversity and

742
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 6: unity are two different things. It's all right to be

743
00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 6: diverse in what we believe, but we cannot make the

744
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 6: impact or have the impact that we need to make

745
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 6: unless or have unless we're unified. Uh in uh some

746
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 6: very basic critical things we you know, our theology need

747
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 6: to be of such well we recognize uh that uh

748
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 6: there are things that we know that are happening. Uh

749
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 6: injustices that are happening that we just can't allow to

750
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 6: go on without speaking to and so uh, I believe

751
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 6: our unity is necessary. And I'm talking about the church

752
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 6: and our voiceless ness is a problem. We we we

753
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 6: have to have a voice. The reason that otis Malls

754
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 6: and uh and U Jamal Bryant, the reason that they

755
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 6: are notables right now is because they're willing to use

756
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 6: their voice. The problem that there's a problem in UH

757
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 6: in the black church, because everybody wants to complain, but

758
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 6: nobody wants to stand up and say what they know

759
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 6: uh needs to be said. And so I think we're

760
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Speaker 6: talking about uh the you know, if we're talking about

761
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 6: the idea that you mentioned, UH, the church it Chelsea

762
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 6: needs to get together and when that happens that we

763
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 6: can deal with some of the other issues.

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Speaker 1: Do you see Do you see that happening though at all?

765
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 1: Do you see any movement? Are you hearing any movement?

766
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 6: Oh, I'm hearing a movement. My good friend who is

767
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 6: mourning today the passing his wife, doctor Jim Forbes. Doctor

768
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 6: Forbes and I are great friends. We talk all the time,

769
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Speaker 6: and I'm mentioning his name because he said to me,

770
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 6: we've discussed this very thing, this very topic, and of

771
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 6: course we've discussed what it's going to take for a

772
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Speaker 6: Maria UH to come to its senses, and of course

773
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Speaker 6: we we agree that the church would have to have

774
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 6: a prominent part in it, h because the church recognizes

775
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:37,439
Speaker 6: the sanctity of life. And I'm not talking about all

776
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 6: of this, uh, the stuff that are white evangelicals want

777
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 6: to bring up and white nationalists bring up. I'm not

778
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 6: talking about those issues. I'm talking about life that we

779
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 6: know all light. Uh, what's happening to two black people

780
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 6: on this planet? And so I think it's important. Uh.

781
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 6: And dcor Porton said this, uh that that America can't

782
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Speaker 6: be addressed until the church comes together to do what

783
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 6: we're supposed to do, and so that that's very important.

784
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 6: I am seeing some some activity, but it's in the

785
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:25,240
Speaker 6: younger clergy, but in that rank. In those ranks, again,

786
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 6: it's necessary to find those individuals or see those individuals

787
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Speaker 6: that are not sold out to capitalistic h concerns.

788
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Speaker 1: But well, I said what they Yeah, well said Pastor

789
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Speaker 1: Wells a family just checking in. That's Pastor Oliver Wells

790
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: is from Central Florida. Is a passed down there. We're

791
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Speaker 1: discussing the legacy of Reverend Jesse Jackson along with investigative

792
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Speaker 1: reporter Jeff Gallop. Jeff, from your point standpoint, is the

793
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Speaker 1: Church of the the thing, the only person who could

794
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: put the bring us back together?

795
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Speaker 7: Well, uh, you know, I was raised in the church

796
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 7: and that was where we got a lot of our

797
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 7: primary messages about you know, who we were, you know,

798
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 7: the theology, the culture, this idea of social justice. What

799
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Speaker 7: I would tell you is that what I've seen, and

800
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 7: having covered religion for three decades, I see even in

801
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 7: the evangelical church, you know, in the in the major churches,

802
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 7: you see a spin off of people. Churches are losing

803
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 7: younger people day by day. Some are coming back, but

804
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 7: for the most part, they're losing a lot of younger people.

805
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 7: Issues have divided the congregations of God, if you will.

806
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 7: You know, from the Catholic Church all the way down

807
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 7: to the corner church. I don't see from my observation

808
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 7: that the church is at the center of the community

809
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 7: anymore as as a leading voice. You don't see it.

810
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 7: You don't see that. In fact, we have you know,

811
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 7: maybe outside voices, if you will, who are coming in

812
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 7: and denigrating the church the theology. Right you You mentioned

813
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 7: Pastor Jamal Bryant. There was a pastor who showed up

814
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 7: with his wife a few weeks ago and they basically

815
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 7: denigrated that congregation, said it was more or less a

816
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 7: false church, right And you're hearing those kinds of notions

817
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 7: out there with outside voices, and believe it or not,

818
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 7: there are some younger black people, black youth who are

819
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 7: picking that up. The same thing with social justice they're hearing.

820
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 7: You have people who are attacking the legacies of doctor

821
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 7: Martin Luther King, and no doubt we'll attack the legacy

822
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Speaker 7: of Jesse Jackson.

823
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Speaker 5: That's right.

824
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Speaker 7: And so you know, you have those outside voices, you

825
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 7: have the internal strife that's happening in the church. So

826
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Speaker 7: it is spinning off. There is no no core exactly

827
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Speaker 7: that you can say, is you know, leading the black

828
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 7: community at this point, which is unfortunate.

829
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Speaker 5: I don't know if that will change, or however how

830
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 5: it will change, or or what it will take.

831
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Speaker 4: But that is my observation, all right.

832
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Speaker 1: And I've got a tweet that somebody said, you guys

833
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: didn't mention Pastor Barber, one of the clergy. He's on

834
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 1: the ground. He steal do us the Poor People's March

835
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Speaker 1: in Washington, d C.

836
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Speaker 7: And he is is he's extremely influential. I tend to

837
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 7: as as someone who's as a journalist, I tend to

838
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 7: look at you know, you look at the folks who've

839
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 7: done the work, and you're looking at the folks who

840
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 7: are coming up to do the work. He definitely has

841
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 7: done the work. He's still doing the work, no doubt.

842
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 7: I don't definitely don't mean to leave any of any

843
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 7: folks like that out.

844
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Speaker 1: And Pastor Wells, does the preachers now need to change

845
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: your style of trying to figure out a different way

846
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: to reach these young generations because they're they're they're almost

847
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 1: foreign to us, you know. They what their style, the

848
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: what their language, what they wear. It's it's a little

849
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,919
Speaker 1: different from when we were growing up. Does the church

850
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: need to and some people see that the church is

851
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 1: just stuck in a certain way. Does a church need

852
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: to move to to to get these young people to,

853
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: you know, come to church more and be engaged in

854
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: church more.

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00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 6: Well, I think I think here's what I know. You

856
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 6: you change methods all right in order to meet meet

857
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 6: the needs of people. And definitely our methods need to change,

858
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 6: we need to do that. But what doesn't change is

859
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 6: the authenticity and the relevance of the message.

860
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 4: Uh.

861
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 6: The message doesn't change because of what needs to be

862
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 6: preached and what needs to be heard is the same. Uh.

863
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 6: And so it's it's not I think, yeah, there's some

864
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 6: some things that we need to change. Uh, our presentation,

865
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 6: some of it needs to stay the same. Some of

866
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 6: the very things that that are being talked against are

867
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 6: our help for us to be able to get the

868
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 6: message in the hearts of people. But whatever is necessary

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Speaker 6: with our presentations, one thing that does not change is

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Speaker 6: the message and uh and our authenticity to be able

871
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Speaker 6: to present it.

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Speaker 1: Jeff, you want to add something to that.

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Speaker 7: I think that's that's extremely accurate. That's that's the point,

874
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 7: isn't it. You know, Uh, the word, the the the

875
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 7: scriptures that informed us as youth, that I heard in

876
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 7: the pulpit. You know, care for the oppressed, you know,

877
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 7: don't treat the stranger in a in a in a

878
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 7: bad way. Remember that everybody is under one law, you know,

879
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 7: human to human love one another. I hear people in

880
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 7: today's church. You know who, in my estimation who may

881
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 7: have gotten away from that message?

882
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 6: Right?

883
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 7: Who teach about the person of say Jesus Christ, but

884
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 7: not Jesus right. They want they want Jesus, but they

885
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 7: don't want the Christ. They don't want the leader, they

886
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 7: don't want the king per se to teach them and

887
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 7: tell them about the love portion of the scripture, and

888
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 7: of course in the Older Testament or the Hebrew scriptures,

889
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 7: love is the underpinning of everything. You know, when you're

890
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 7: talking about God and his formation of this people and

891
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 7: the acceptance of other people into that fold. It seems

892
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 7: to me that maybe we have gotten away from that word,

893
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 7: but that that message has to remain in order for

894
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 7: this country to probably stay unified.

895
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Speaker 4: We have to do it.

896
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 7: We have to find common ground.

897
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 4: Uh and uh.

898
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 7: You know, one church teaching one thing and another one

899
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 7: teaching something drastically different doesn't help the situation, and a

900
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 7: youth culture that's divided, that doesn't help the situation. So

901
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 7: how do we market that word back to the people.

902
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 7: How do we get back to those scriptures that taught us,

903
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 7: as you know, as a nation right and and corrected

904
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 7: us as we went along the way. The reason we're

905
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 7: here today is because we were corrected as a nation right.

906
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 7: Doctor King came out and he spoke, The nation responded

907
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 7: as best could, and there have been some changes. So

908
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 7: I don't know that that's where we are today.

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00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: All right, Thank you fellas, Thank you for joining us

910
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: this morning. Pastor Oliver Wells. If people want to follow

911
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: you as your church online, how can they reach you?

912
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: Do you have an email address?

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00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 6: I do have an email address the church I serve

914
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 6: as Christ the King Baptist Church. The email is Pastor Wells,

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Speaker 6: past Or R. W. E. L. S at c t

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Speaker 6: K Life dot org. Pastor well at ct K Life

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Speaker 6: dot or org.

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Speaker 1: All right, Jeff, how can folks reach you?

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Speaker 7: You can reach me at Florida Today dot com. That's

920
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 7: Florida Today dot com. And you can also email me

921
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 7: at j as in Jeff D's and David Gallup at

922
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 7: Florida Today dot com. And look forward to hearing from

923
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 7: some of your listeners and follow us as we follow

924
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 7: the artemis to launch.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, we got to talk about that when

926
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: next time. Jeff, thank you. Family's Jeff Gallup, investigative reporter

927
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Speaker 1: at Central Florida. Question of Florida Today. That's the precursor

928
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,439
Speaker 1: to USA Today. By the way, they started at Florida Today,

929
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: then they start USA Today afterwards. Also, Pastor Oliver Wells,

930
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: he's from in that neck of the woods down there

931
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Speaker 1: in Central Florida. Thank you, fellows, Thank you for helping us,

932
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: you know, talk about the legacy of the Reverend Jesse Jackson.

933
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us this morning.

934
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Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you.

935
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: All right, family, let's move on to fifteen A the

936
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Speaker 1: top there. Our attorney Fire Rose to raise with us

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00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: this morning, Grand Rising attorney Fire rose to Ray, welcome

938
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: back to the program.

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Speaker 6: To hear your voice. Brother, thank I want to be

940
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 6: in DC this morning.

941
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: We need people like you and your your husband, Hank.

942
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: How are you guys doing, because we haven't spoken to

943
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: you in a minute.

944
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 6: What I'm doing extraordinarily will to be over eighty years old.

945
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 6: Thank you say it for eighty four and I'm almost

946
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 6: eighty one and we're still strong.

947
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: And it's still still leading the line too. That's that's

948
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: this is incredible in Alabama. But tell us about the

949
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 1: jubilee commemoration of Bloody Sunday.

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Speaker 6: You know I heard your last speaker speak of Jesse Jackson.

951
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 6: Jesse Jackson never missed a jubilee. He was here in

952
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 6: sixty five, he was here last year in a wheelchair.

953
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 6: And Jesse said everybody of consciousness should make the pilgrimage

954
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 6: to Selma because it was in Selmon on office to

955
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 6: sixty nineteen sixty five that made America a democracy for

956
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 6: the first time. And it was bought about because of

957
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 6: the blood of people who died on a day that

958
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 6: became known as Bloody Sunday. I take that back. No

959
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 6: one died that day, but because of the blood that

960
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 6: was shed before and after that day, and the blood

961
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 6: that was shed on that day after the death, the

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01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 6: brutal killing of Jimily Jackson by state troopers, and people

963
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 6: were so upset and so sick and tired of being

964
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 6: sick and tired that they said, let's take his dead

965
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 6: body and laid at the feet of George Wallace. Well,

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01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 6: they decided not to lay his body, but to march

967
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Speaker 6: from Severn Montgomery. And we knew that that history could

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Speaker 6: not be forgotten. You know, SEOC would do a march

969
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 6: every five years. There were those of us who said, no,

970
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 6: it's important that our children and future generations know that

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Speaker 6: it was Selma that finally made this country a democracy.

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01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 6: But the culmin nation took place in Selma. But people

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01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 6: were fighting and people were struggling in Mississippi, louis Anna, Georgia.

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Speaker 6: But it was on that bridge, on bloody Sunday that

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Speaker 6: the nation and the world realized the America democracy.

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Speaker 1: Right hold, I thought, right there, Attorney fire eight Rose,

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Speaker 1: we got to take a short break here. When you

978
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: come back, I'll let you pick up the story and

979
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: please tell a family about Jimmy Lee Jackson. Because a

980
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: lot of people don't know. That's why the Marchess who

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01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,479
Speaker 1: already started. I know Dick Gregory mentioned it quite a bit,

982
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Speaker 1: but it seems to be a forgotten voice in the

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01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: history of Bloody Sunday. Family. You want to get in

984
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: on this conversation with Attorney fire Roase Ray, reach out

985
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight

986
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: seventy six and we'll take your phone calls. Next all right,

987
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: twenty one minutes off the top of the are Attorney

988
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:10,959
Speaker 1: of fire ros To Ray tell us about that song

989
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: before we go on to Attorney fire Rose.

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Speaker 6: I set you the song, play our boots on the Bridge.

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01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 6: I'm in parissed.

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01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: No, that's okay, that was cool too.

993
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 6: No, that's my voice. That's something we're gonna sing during

994
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 6: the march. At the end of the march next Sunday, everybody,

995
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 6: I won't crossing that bridge singing no kings, but I'm

996
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 6: gonna send you you look closely, because you have all

997
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 6: boots on the bridge. I'll leak you to play it. Well,

998
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 6: let me go back to Jimmie Jackson Birt. You mentioned

999
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 6: Dick Gregory. Dick greg Rig up to the time he died,

1000
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 6: was always here along with Jesse Jackson and now Dick

1001
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 6: Gregory's son is the president of the Jibilee board that

1002
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 6: have to coordinate that march every year. Jimmy Lee Jackson

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01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 6: was a young man. It's interesting because he was a

1004
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 6: Veteran's amazing how many veterans they have killed and that

1005
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 6: we don't know about. For example, Ed Brooks was the

1006
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 6: veteran in Montgomery who was killed at the bus before

1007
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 6: at Rosa Parks. Jimmy Lee Jackson was a veteran who

1008
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 6: was in Marria. Couldn't vote frand father nobody could vote,

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Speaker 6: and there was a night march on Fosters by sec

1010
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 6: and during that night march he was killed by state troopers.

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01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 6: And the history keeps repeating himself. Calm. Just two or

1012
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 6: three weeks ago that two young white people were killed

1013
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 6: in Minnesota by so called ice law enforcement officials. And

1014
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 6: each time that happens, it triggers a movement when people

1015
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 6: become so fed up. And that's what happened in Mary

1016
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 6: and people just got fed up with the murder, the killings.

1017
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 6: A man being dragged to death and Marion's some years later,

1018
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 6: and they decided to carry his dead body to Montgomery

1019
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 6: and someone said, no, let's not carry's dead body, but

1020
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 6: less march to Salma and Montgomery. And you're right. You

1021
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 6: hear so little about Jimmy Lee Jackson because black lives

1022
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 6: didn't matter as much then and they don't matter as

1023
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 6: much then.

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01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: All right, Family twenty four Off the top of their

1025
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 1: Attorney Fire Rose Therese. I guess she and her husband

1026
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: Hank Sanders, the movies and shakers in the civil rights

1027
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 1: woman in Selma. They've been doing it for for decades now,

1028
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: and you know they didn't have to do it, but

1029
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: she's still on the front line. And what she's sharing

1030
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Speaker 1: with us this morning is the anniversary of the Jubilee

1031
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,479
Speaker 1: of Commemoration of Bloody Sunday. It's going to take place

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01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: next month. And Jimmy Lee Jackson. That's why I want

1033
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: you to do to mention because I did not know until

1034
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: Dick Gregory told me years ago that it all starred

1035
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: because of Jimmy Lee Jackson. As I know, many people talk,

1036
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: they think of they know what started the march, Why

1037
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: you guys wanted to march across the bridge at Edmund

1038
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: Pettis Bridge. You know the other thing too, Attorney Fire

1039
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 1: Rose Ray, they was talking about changing the name of

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01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: Edmund Petti's book Bridge to that of one of the

1041
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: persons who got beat on Bloody Sunday, John Lewis.

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Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, no, that would be inappropriate. The

1043
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 6: bridge name should be changed because Edmund Pedis was the

1044
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 6: grand dragon of the kluklas Lan. But too many people died,

1045
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 6: like Jimmy Lee Jackson. Too many people died in Mississippi.

1046
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 6: If anything, it should be called the Bridge to Freedom.

1047
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 6: It should not be named after one person because on

1048
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 6: that same day that John Lewis was beaten, Amelia Boucher

1049
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 6: was nearly killed. She was marching near the front of

1050
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 6: the march with Marie Foster, these women that been working

1051
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 6: for voting rights and Selmas sister the thirties. Missus Baunton

1052
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 6: and her husband came to Selma in the thirties from Tuskegee. C. J.

1053
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 6: Adams started the Dallas County Voters League another name unknown

1054
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 6: in history. I was jail unfairly twice, but he kept

1055
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 6: fighting for voting rights, started the first NAACP chapter in Alabama.

1056
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 6: He organized the Dallas County Voters League that invited doctor

1057
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 6: King and John Lewis to come into Selma. So no,

1058
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 6: if the bridge is going to be renamed, name it

1059
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 6: the Bridge to Freedom. If there's a single name, name

1060
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 6: it Jimmy Lee Jackson.

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01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: Right, Because again I did not know that all these

1062
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: years are going by and here knowing about Bloody Sunday,

1063
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 1: but not knowing what really started, what was a catalyst

1064
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: within the the death of Jimmy Lee Jackson. Let me

1065
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 1: ask you, so, Toney Rose Terray, the Supreme Court has

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01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: on its desk in its docket right now a plan

1067
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 1: that may scuttle portions of the Voting Rights Actor. I

1068
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 1: want you to get your thoughts about that.

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01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 6: No, it will eliminate the Voter Rights Act as far

1070
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 6: as I'm concerned. You know, with the vote of Clarence

1071
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 6: Thomas a betrayal of the race. In twenty thirteen, Section five,

1072
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Speaker 6: which was the critical part of the Voter Rights Act

1073
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 6: was eliminated Section two case coming down in Louisiana. Now,

1074
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 6: if they got that, say goodbye. And when you have

1075
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 6: a president that is now saying, then not only will

1076
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 6: we gut it, but we're going to take away your

1077
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 6: right to vote because basically we're going to require you

1078
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:32,439
Speaker 6: to have a first certificate and a ID and if

1079
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 6: doesn't work, we're gonna have some federal troops there to

1080
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 6: intimidate you, just like they did in the early part

1081
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 6: of the century. And after the Civil War, after the

1082
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 6: era of reconstruction ended, How did they take away our

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01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 6: right to vote? Because after all, the fifteenth of midmicate

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01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 6: black men the right to vote. Nineteenth a mimic gay women.

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01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 6: But they used violence, and they use aaw enforcement so

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01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 6: called law enforcement troops to keep us from the ballot box.

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Speaker 6: And you be amazed the number of veterans that will

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01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 6: killed trying to vote. So we are repeating that history. Brother,

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01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 6: if we an'll stand up and fight. So the Jewbilee

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01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 6: is not just a commemoration. We're not just remembering what

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01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 6: happened to Jimmy Lee and how we got the right

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01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,600
Speaker 6: to vote, how this country became a democracy. They know

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01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 6: that this country became a democracy because finally all people,

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01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 6: all citizens, were given the right to vote. They know

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01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 6: that this country is brown and then blackening, and in

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01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 6: twenty years the majority of voters will be black and brown.

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01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 6: Therefore it's necessary to make a dictatorship. And what really

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01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 6: bothers me is that there's so little unity in the

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01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 6: black community at a critical time like this. I don't

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01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 6: know about Washington, but in Selmal not enough unity. Do

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01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 6: you have a group called Faith in Politics that are

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01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 6: coming to seem with some Black congress people. They're not

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01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 6: going to march with us on Sunday, They're morch and

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01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 6: soply on Saturday. This type of disunity is feeding this

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01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 6: monster called the dictatorship. So the Jubilee is about educating people.

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01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 6: This is a five day event. We just don't march

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01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 6: on Sunday. We have all kinds of workshops, and not

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01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,480
Speaker 6: just on civil rights. One of the most powerful workshops

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01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 6: we have is that Friday, Tony Browny, one of your guests,

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01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 6: came a Sahili.

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Speaker 4: All these.

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01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 6: Professors and authors would come and will are still coming

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01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 6: to teach our teachers how to infuse this into your curriculum.

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01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 6: Our children don't know nothing about Bloody Sunday. They don't

1115
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 6: know nothing about slavery, and they certainly don't know nothing

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01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 6: about ancient Africa and the contributions about people to civilization.

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01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 6: And because we don't know, guess what supremacy, White supremacy

1118
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 6: still ring supreme until we end white supremacy in our minds.

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01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 6: This is not a battle to change the of white folk.

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01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 6: This is the battle to change the minds of black folk.

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Speaker 6: Until we eliminated the myth in our own minds that

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01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 6: white people are superior, white supremacy will reign supreme and

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01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 6: justice Tanny. As he said in the dred Scott decision,

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01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 6: black people have no rights that white people are bound

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01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 6: to respect. And until we respect our humanity, we will

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01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 6: continue to fight for our rights in this country.

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Speaker 1: I didn't mean to go on that loan South No,

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Speaker 1: no problem, no, no, you said it right correctly. Thirty

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01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: minutes after the top of our family the voice you

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01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: hear his attorney Fire Rose Torae. She's one of the

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01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 1: leaders of the Jubilee Commemoration of Bloody Sunday that's going

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01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 1: to take place the next month. All that you said, though,

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01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 1: attorney for Higher Raise Rose, how do we get our

1134
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:50,560
Speaker 1: people to know that everybody should know the name of

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01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 1: Jimmy Lee Jackson. I mean when I when I first heard,

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01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: because I've heard of like I mentioned, I heard a

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01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: Bloody Sunday. Until did Gregory told me about Jimmy Lee Jackson,

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01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: I did not know that that was the case. That

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01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 1: is why the march across the avan Petti's Bridge. But

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01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 1: all the stuff that you just mentioned, how do we

1141
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 1: get that information to all our people across the country

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01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 1: and probably globally as well.

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01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 6: Can I ask you a question why people don't know

1144
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 6: the name of Ed Brooks. Ed Brooks was a veteran,

1145
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 6: came home in Montgomery, got on the bus, paid his

1146
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 6: fifteen cent, told to get out to go to the back.

1147
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 6: He said, no, give me back my fifteen cent. They

1148
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 6: killed him. I love Rosa Parks and everything she stood for,

1149
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 6: But why is it they chose to make her the

1150
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 6: she wrote, instead of Ed Brooks. She gave up hero liberty.

1151
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 6: Ed Brooks gave up his life. Claudette Covid, We just

1152
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 6: we just sent her home. Why is it they kept

1153
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 6: her name out of the history books until we in

1154
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 6: Selva we were going to the first honor. We have

1155
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 6: allowed our old press to define who should be honored

1156
01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 6: and who should be forgotten. And until we take on

1157
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 6: the responsibility of teaching our own, teaching our own in

1158
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:09,480
Speaker 6: our schools, in our churches, and our sarartis and our fraternities,

1159
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 6: just do it. Black History Month, you know, Cardige Woodson

1160
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 6: said it much better than I can. In is book

1161
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 6: The Miseducation of the Negro. He said, it is not

1162
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 6: the lynsion of the neck, but the lynsion of the

1163
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 6: mind that is the greatest threat to black freedom and

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01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 6: black liberation. And we'll still lynching the minds of our

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01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:35,799
Speaker 6: children because we refuse to teach them not just Black history,

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01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 6: but the truth about American history. So many of our

1167
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 6: people celebrate July fourth and not June tenth, because we

1168
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:49,759
Speaker 6: truly believe we were free on July fourth. We don't

1169
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 6: know about Frederick Douglass and his famous words, what to

1170
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 6: your slave is your fourth of July a day more

1171
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 6: than any day of the year to remind me of

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01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 6: the savagery of slavery. There's not a nation on earth

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01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 6: that is more cruel and barbaric than the United States

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01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 6: of America. What if our people knew that they would

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01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 6: be cooking barbecue on June teenth, not July fourth. But

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01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 6: going back to the Juwilack, because I don't know how,

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01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 6: I don't have much time. We have over thirty events,

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01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 6: and many of them are educational. We give Black history contests.

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01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 6: We give the winning team of these dollars. If you

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01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:30,919
Speaker 6: can just answer these questions about Jimmy Le Jackson, C J. Adams,

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01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 6: the Courageous Eight, those ministers who stood up against oppression.

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01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 6: That's why we have the Black History Contest, we have

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01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 6: essay contests. We march those children across the bridge and

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01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 6: tell them the story of Jimi Y Jackson. We bring

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01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 6: teachers into the college and we have people like I

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01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 6: said Tony, to tell them the history so they can

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01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 6: infuse it into their classrooms. And guess what we found out.

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01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,839
Speaker 6: We found out that once the children and the teachers

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01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 6: know that history, it makes a marvelous difference. Example, in

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01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:06,640
Speaker 6: the same county where Jimmy Lee Jackson was killed, Perry County,

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01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 6: John Hurt, the superintendent of their school hurt, Tony Browner hurt.

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01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 6: Dr White say, you know that makes sense. I'm gonna

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01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 6: put this history in my school. This is not an exaggeration.

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01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:22,440
Speaker 6: Within a year and a half, their test scores, swords

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01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:25,640
Speaker 6: and the discipline problems went down. You see, this is

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01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 6: the new way of This is the new overseal. The

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01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 6: new overseer is not a person. It's our policy. The

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01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 6: policy is keep that history away from them black children

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01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 6: and them black parents, and we can keep them mentally

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01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 6: enslaved forever. So we have to break the change of

1201
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 6: mental slavery and knowledge the Bible. You have some preachers

1202
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 6: on the people are suffering from a lack of knowledge.

1203
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:53,799
Speaker 6: We have to give that knowledge. That's why I write music,

1204
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 6: I write plays, I write songs. And every one must

1205
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 6: use their pull upis their Sunday school. Listen, there's so

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01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 6: roorty meetings to teach that history by any means necessary.

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01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 1: All right, hold that thought right there. Attorney fire Rose

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01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 1: Toray from Gawlins, from Alabama, twenty five minutes away from

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01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 1: the top there. Brother Gregor was checking in from Charlotte.

1210
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 1: He's online one grand rising brother Gregory Or on the

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01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 1: attorney fire rails Ray.

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01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 10: Yes, grand rising brother carl Grand Rising Attorney fire Rose Terray.

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01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,520
Speaker 6: I was listening to a p and Charlotte.

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01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 10: Yes, ma'am HBCU. I'm gonna graduate myself of another HBCU,

1215
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 10: the University of Virgin Islands in Saint Thomas. So great

1216
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:39,600
Speaker 10: you did that about Jonathan C.

1217
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 5: Smith.

1218
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am.

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01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 10: I was listening to the conversation between yourself and brother

1220
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:49,680
Speaker 10: Caul and you mentioned the dred Scott decision. And one

1221
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 10: of the things that I've been researching is an executive

1222
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:59,679
Speaker 10: order issued by President Trump earlier this year regarding birth

1223
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 10: right citizenship. And when I read the actual executive order,

1224
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 10: it contained true legal references. First it referenced the Fourteenth Amendment,

1225
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 10: and secondly, they surprisingly referenced the dread Scott decision. And

1226
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 10: I say it surprisingly because they're paying this as something

1227
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 10: for the Latinos. But you know, as an attorney, when

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01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,719
Speaker 10: you mentioned the dread Scott decision, you are talking about

1229
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 10: black people. So as you and a brother called discussed

1230
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 10: of the Supreme Court step by step over the last

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01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 10: couple of years, the eliminated section one, other Voting Rights Act,

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01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 10: the eliminated section three, Section four, and section five, and

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01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:49,520
Speaker 10: now we're hanging by a thread waiting on a decision

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01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 10: by section two. Exactly, Yes, spam, But my main question is,

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01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 10: after they are finished with that Voting Rights Act, do

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01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 10: you think that they're headed to try to dismantle the

1237
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 10: Fourteenth Amendment. The simony is starting with birthright citizenship, which

1238
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 10: is Fourteenth Amendment Section one. And how do you think

1239
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 10: if that ruling that the arguments are due to be

1240
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:18,719
Speaker 10: argued at the Supreme Court in April and a final

1241
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 10: decision will be announced by Chief Justice John Roberts in

1242
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 10: July of twenty twenty six, and I wanted to get

1243
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:29,759
Speaker 10: your opinion as an attorney, should we as black people

1244
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 10: be very concerned about a decision talking about birthright citizenship,

1245
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 10: which is the foundation of what put our people under

1246
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:42,639
Speaker 10: the protections of the United States Constitution. Could you explain

1247
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 10: your opinion, ma'am?

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01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 1: Can I tell you what hold on a councilor we're

1249
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 1: going to take a short break here. We gotta check

1250
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 1: the news trafficking with them, and brother Greg, if you

1251
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 1: have a follow up, stay with us as well. Twenty

1252
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:52,600
Speaker 1: three minutes away from the top of there, I with

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01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 1: Attorney of Fire Rose Terrade, who thought off guying the

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01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 1: discussion about the jubilee commemoration of Bloody Senate that's going

1255
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 1: to take place next month. What are your thoughts? Family?

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01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 1: You two can join our conversation. Like brother Greg, we

1257
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 1: just reach out to us at eight hundred four five

1258
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone

1259
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 1: calls after we check the news, traffic and weather. That's

1260
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 1: next and Grand Rising family, thanks for joining us on

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01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 1: this Wednesday, a hump day that means we're halfway through

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01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 1: the work week with our guest attorney fire Rose to Ray.

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01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 1: Before we go back to her the lemon, just remind

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01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 1: you come up. Later this morning we speak with Tony

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01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 1: Browner to Tony's a chematologist. We're going to discuss the

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01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 1: forty day ascension celebration for Charles Finch, and tomorrow the

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01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 1: Master Teacher Astroquasi will be with us along with his

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01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 1: story and Michael m o Tip. Let me just say

1269
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 1: this about I forgot to mention that you know, this

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01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 1: is the fire Rose Toray. She she was Alabama's first

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01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 1: black judge, black female judge. She's also been arrested multiple

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01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: times for protesting SELMA and she also served as the

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01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 1: leading attorney for our black farmers in their fight. Attorney

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01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,520
Speaker 1: fire Rose Toray brother Gregor's question about the birthright citizenship,

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01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 1: you want to respond.

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01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 6: It's as quickly as I can. Every immigrant born in

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01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:06,639
Speaker 6: America should think those two hundred thousand black soldiers, forty

1278
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 6: thousand of which died to end the Civil War and

1279
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 6: to end legal slavery. Because out of that victory came

1280
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 6: the Fourteenth Amendment to Process of Law, equal protection, but

1281
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 6: also birthright citizenship that means if your child is born here,

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01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 6: you are citizen. And now their effort is a part

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01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 6: of that scheme to make America white again, to make

1284
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 6: America total dictatorship. In my humble opinion, you have to

1285
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 6: take away birthright citizenship. And so it's a disguised it's

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01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 6: not directed just at the immigrants coming into this country.

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01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:49,479
Speaker 6: And it reminds me also of the reason why they

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01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 6: are detaining so many so called immigrants and building these

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01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 6: concentration camps. Let's call them for what they are, they

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01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 6: call them detention. They don't need all the detention centers

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01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 6: for the so called immigrants, they need them for black

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01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 6: and brown people because they are not enough prisons there

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Speaker 6: to fill them up with all the black people and

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Speaker 6: brown people they intend to incurse rates. But getting back

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Speaker 6: to you, essential, it is su part of the overall

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Speaker 6: scheme to take away of the birthright citizenship. But it's

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Speaker 6: amazing to me because Trump is married to an immigrant,

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Speaker 6: many of them, the vice president is married to an immigrant.

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Speaker 6: They just approved for immigrants to come here from South

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Speaker 6: Africa if they are white. So it's very important that

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Speaker 6: we understand the overall scheme of what they're doing. The

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Speaker 6: ultimate goal is to make this country a dictatorship, and

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Speaker 6: it's people just don't want to accept that. But that's

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Speaker 6: the ultimate goal. So taking away birthright citizenship is just

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Speaker 6: a step in that direction.

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Speaker 10: Follow yes, sir, thank you.

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Speaker 6: Brother.

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Speaker 10: Call When I talk about this is to an attorney.

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Speaker 10: Some people say, well, brother Gregory, why are you concerned

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Speaker 10: about this. This is twenty twenty six, the dread Scott

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Speaker 10: decision birth right citizenship that was one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 10: years ago. And I said, that's the exact point. That

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Speaker 10: is a law that has been in place that has

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Speaker 10: protected black people for over one hundred and fifty years,

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Speaker 10: and here we have the most extreme conservative Republicans, President Trump, trying.

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Speaker 5: To change it. That's a big story.

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Speaker 10: But mainly President Trump is the same man who did

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Speaker 10: the Obama monkey video, He did an Obama prison video,

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Speaker 10: and has been reported allegedly that he called an African

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Speaker 10: American Kwame Jackson, who was on his show. But nword,

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Speaker 10: and I say, you got to connect to dot, connect

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Speaker 10: to dot from the man who did all that to

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Speaker 10: He is the same man who has written an executive

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Speaker 10: order that is at the United States Supreme Court that

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Speaker 10: can overturn the first right that our people ever received,

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Speaker 10: which is birthright citizenship. And my main question, ma'am, is

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Speaker 10: before July twenty twenty six. Right now, all babies under

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Speaker 10: that birthright citizenship law are citizens at birth. But what

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Speaker 10: I'm seeing when I research this is the Supreme Court

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Speaker 10: makes a change and says that after July twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 10: it's not just you have to be born here. Maybe

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Speaker 10: you have to have documentation of your parents, maybe you

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Speaker 10: have to have some type of verification, and with Trump,

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Speaker 10: you might even have to have some type of renumeration

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Speaker 10: where you have to pay to become a citizen. So

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Speaker 10: I wanted to ask you, did you see if the

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Speaker 10: Supreme Court to some degree nullifies or lessons the power

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Speaker 10: of birthright citizenship, that we could be in a situation.

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Speaker 6: I don't think that. I don't think that's the words

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Speaker 6: decision by the Court. I think that birthright citizenship is

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Speaker 6: mainly referencing people immigrants who are coming here currently and

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Speaker 6: their children are born here and their children are citizenships.

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Speaker 6: I don't think that is so much directed at Black

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Speaker 6: people who are citizens here now, because we've been citizens

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Speaker 6: here legally since that the Fourteenth Amendment was passed. My

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Speaker 6: greatest fear is not the abandonment of that in terms

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Speaker 6: of black people. That's a problem now, but it's a

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Speaker 6: problem for people who are new immigrants that are coming

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Speaker 6: here who there are a lot of people who come

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Speaker 6: here and they have children born here so they can

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Speaker 6: establish citizenship. To me, the greatest threat is what he's

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Speaker 6: trying to do with voting rights and what he's trying

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Speaker 6: to do with ban in black history and ban in

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Speaker 6: voting rights. To me, that is the greatest threat. And

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Speaker 6: the Fourteenth Amendment requirement of due process of law and

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Speaker 6: equal protection of the law, because when you eliminate the

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Speaker 6: right to do process, which they're doing now, that's what

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Speaker 6: Ice is doing, or risk and people without hearings equal

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Speaker 6: protection of the law there denying people equal protection of law.

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Speaker 6: Those are the two clauses in the fourteenth Amendment that

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Speaker 6: causes me the greatest concern. Well, by the way that

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Speaker 6: we do have legal workshops. Let me tell you the

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Speaker 6: Jubilie is a panorama of the events. We have legal workshops.

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Speaker 6: We have a mock trial to educate our people about

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Speaker 6: the dangers that's embedded in the law. Because there's one

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Speaker 6: law that has never been appealed, and that's the law

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Speaker 6: of circumvention. So that's why white supremacy is still a

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Speaker 6: part of the low defacto. And until we deal with

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Speaker 6: white supremacy, that will continue to use every means necessary

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Speaker 6: to deny rights.

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Speaker 10: And one quick last question, ma'am. If the Supreme Court

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Speaker 10: makes a change and it's ruling in July, will that

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Speaker 10: change apply only to the Latano babies or was the

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Speaker 10: change by the Supreme Court apply to all babies, including

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Speaker 10: African American bab babies.

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Speaker 6: And I think it's really directed as much as of

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Speaker 6: Haiti Africa. Oh yes, no, it will. As a matter

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Speaker 6: of fact, let's see what's going to happen. It will

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Speaker 6: not apply to the European babies. They will find exceptions

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Speaker 6: to that the way they implement it. So it's mainly

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Speaker 6: wow all there. They'll found a way, just like they

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Speaker 6: have found a way for white South Africans to come here,

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Speaker 6: even though they banned other countries in Africa from coming here.

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Speaker 6: So that is directly our director to Haiti and Caribbean countries,

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Speaker 6: in African countries and Latino countries. Yes, that's what that

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Speaker 6: is directed. Tom.

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Speaker 10: Well, thank you very much, Attorney.

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Speaker 6: Thank you go a call.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you, brother Gregory. You said at the

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Speaker 1: Jubilee commemoration, you're going to have workshops if you're going

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Speaker 1: to do one on voter suppression, because you mentioned earlier

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Speaker 1: now that the one the want to change the rule,

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Speaker 1: you have to prove that you you're you have your

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Speaker 1: birth entigumais you know I heard that some folks, especially elderly,

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Speaker 1: they weren't born in the hospital. They were born I'm

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Speaker 1: at home. They don't have necessarily have a perth certificate

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Speaker 1: or the way to find it after all fifty sixty

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Speaker 1: years to find a birth certificate. Is this part of

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Speaker 1: the voter suppression is this is what's gonna be taught

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Speaker 1: that you believe form a voter suppression.

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Speaker 6: Number one, many women are married, and unlike me, they

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Speaker 6: take the names of their husbands right, so their new

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Speaker 6: names will not be on that certificate. And usually you

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Speaker 6: have to pay a fee. A lot of people like

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Speaker 6: I was born in North Carolina, I have to pay

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Speaker 6: a fee to get my birth certificate. To get a passport,

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01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 6: how many people may say you could have a passport,

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01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:34,839
Speaker 6: how many people have a passport. Let's not just require

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Speaker 6: the birth certificate, but also visual id so no to me,

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Speaker 6: I think the word suppression is just too now. This

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Speaker 6: is voter elimination. This is worse than the Grand Palmic

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Speaker 6: laws that was used to keep us from the ballot

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Speaker 6: box for years. We're in serious trouble and we don't

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Speaker 6: know it. And I'm thinking of that German philosopher. I

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Speaker 6: can't think of his name. But they said they came

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Speaker 6: for the trade unionists, and I wasn't a trade unionist,

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Speaker 6: so I said nothing. They came for the Gypsies, they

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Speaker 6: came for the Africans. There were Africans in Nazi Germany.

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Speaker 6: And when they came for me, there was no one

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Speaker 6: there to speak for me. I'm telling you, brother, most

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Speaker 6: of my brothers and sisters in neighborhoods live in normal lives.

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01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 6: They don't have no idea what's going down. And when

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Speaker 6: they gave Trump almost unlimited authority to do whatever he

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01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:37,719
Speaker 6: wants to, immunity officers absolute immunity, so they could kill

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Speaker 6: with immunity, so they could imprison people with immunity, so

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01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:46,720
Speaker 6: they could remove our street from the street books with immunity.

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01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 6: We are a very dangerous crossroads in this country, and

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01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 6: we have to sound alarm every chance we get. We

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01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 6: don't just celebrate the right to vote in Black history

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Speaker 6: doing the jubilee. We try to do it every day.

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Speaker 6: I have a radio program. It's not there's not a

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Speaker 6: lot of viewers. We don't have to have a lot

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Speaker 6: of viewers. I encourage people use your Facebook to teach,

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01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 6: or use your Sunday school, use your church. Every parent

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01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 6: should find at least one day a week to read

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Speaker 6: to their children. And they just shouldn't read about slavery.

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01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 6: They should get tony browners, but go all the way

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Speaker 6: back to ancient Africa. A lot of our children, at

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Speaker 6: least our history started in slavery. They have no idea.

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01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 6: I took some children to the museum. We have an

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Speaker 6: Ancient African museum that deals with ancient Africa, enslavement, the

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Speaker 6: civil War, all through all the way up to the

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Speaker 6: national to the right to vote. I took some children

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01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 6: from the youth center there and conserrating young people. They

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01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 6: told me they thought that Egypt was in Europe and

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01:28:57,560 --> 01:29:03,880
Speaker 6: that the buildness of the Pe. So until we correct

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01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 6: the narrative, until we recognize the wisdom of Carnegie Woodson

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01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 6: when he said it is the lension of the nick.

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01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:16,639
Speaker 6: Now it's the lension of the mind that the neck

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01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:21,640
Speaker 6: that is the greatest danger to our liberation. White supremacy

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01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:24,600
Speaker 6: has never ended. We passed the Civil Rights Law, it

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01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 6: did not end white supremacy. The passage of the thirteenth, fourteenth,

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01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 6: and fifteenth Amendment did not end white supremacy. The passage

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01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 6: of the voting Rights at did not end white supremacy.

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01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:40,400
Speaker 6: Until we end white supremacy. And I'm not talking about

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01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 6: the law. I'm talking about until we end white supremacy

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01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 6: in the minds of our people, we will continually fight

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Speaker 6: to its just to survive in this country.

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Speaker 1: Well, hold up through right there, a council, we gotta

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01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:54,639
Speaker 1: take a short break. We got to take the trafficking

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Speaker 1: weather again in our different cities when we come back. Now,

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01:29:57,120 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 1: can we black folks, can we change white sup premacy?

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01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 1: Or is he going to be after white folks. They're

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01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:04,600
Speaker 1: going to have to do it on their own, on

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01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 1: their own real issue. I want to get your thoughts

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01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 1: on that. Family YouTube can get in all this conversation

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01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 1: with Attorney fire Rose Torray reach out to us at

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Speaker 1: eight hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six and

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Speaker 1: we'll take your phone calls. After this, we check the

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Speaker 1: trafficking weather in our different cities. That's next and Grand

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Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks are staying with us on this Wednesday

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Speaker 1: morning with our guest attorney fire Array Toray. She's what

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Speaker 1: became Alabama's first black female judge. She's been arresting several times.

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Speaker 1: And also the lad attorney actually for the black farmers

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01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 1: who are fighting for their rights. He's real this this

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Speaker 1: morning before we left for the traffic update, the attorney

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Speaker 1: fire Rose. You told us that the problem is the

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01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 1: system of racism, white supremacy. Can black people change that

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Speaker 1: system or is it going to be up to whites.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, white people cannot change the system. It is sort

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01:30:53,160 --> 01:31:00,960
Speaker 6: of disadvantaged capitalism with bail. This might sound radical, but

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01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:05,920
Speaker 6: I will say it anyway. We have to use the

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Speaker 6: same tactics, but in a creative way to demand the

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Speaker 6: end of white supremacy that we used against our presser.

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Speaker 6: It will require us to protest our own schools. It

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Speaker 6: will require us to vote against our black elected officials

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Speaker 6: who are unconsciously maintaining white supremacy through their policies. It

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Speaker 6: will require us to boycott churches that have ministers who

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Speaker 6: will not incorporate the teaching of black history into their

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Speaker 6: Sunday schools, into their ministry. It will require us to

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Speaker 6: abandon sororities and fraternities and clubs who will not incorporate

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Speaker 6: and enthuse the teaching of black history into their national conventions,

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Speaker 6: and instead of spending millions in white hotels, it will

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Speaker 6: require us to boycot them if they don't find ways

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01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 6: to use black colleges for their conventions. It will require

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Speaker 6: a total mindset because white supremacy cannot be maintained if

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Speaker 6: children are not taught from birth to believe they are inferior.

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Speaker 6: You have to teach the children they are inferior. You

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01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 6: have to convince the parent that it is beneficial to

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01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:39,519
Speaker 6: teach the children who they are and the truths about

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Speaker 6: America and the truth about their African heritage. It's mental

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01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:49,240
Speaker 6: slavery that must end. You can pass a law to

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01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 6: end legal slavery, you cannot pass a law in mental slavery.

1504
01:32:56,800 --> 01:33:00,519
Speaker 6: Apology wish and I keep repeating what he said. The

1505
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:05,760
Speaker 6: greatest danger the black liberation, it's the lynchon of the mind.

1506
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:09,200
Speaker 6: And how do you see the lynchion of mind? You

1507
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:12,920
Speaker 6: can't do it by in the voting booth. You can't

1508
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:15,920
Speaker 6: vote it away. You can't march it ay and you're

1509
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:20,320
Speaker 6: marching against Walmart or some white institution. You have to

1510
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 6: march against black brand institutions to demand that they teach

1511
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:28,760
Speaker 6: the history. And my humble opinion, that is the only way,

1512
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:32,600
Speaker 6: a one of the major ways we get end white supremacy.

1513
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:36,479
Speaker 6: This generation has been so americanized. I don't know if

1514
01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:40,439
Speaker 6: we can succeed, but we must begin. There's an African proverb,

1515
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 6: the journey of a thousand miles began with the first step.

1516
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:51,120
Speaker 6: And we started a school in Selmam started over thirty

1517
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 6: years ago and my mother ran that school until she died.

1518
01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:59,599
Speaker 6: We started teaching children to read at three years old,

1519
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 6: suscessfully four years old, teaching them black history when they

1520
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:09,719
Speaker 6: were batist. We have to do that in every daycare center,

1521
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:13,120
Speaker 6: every school. It may take fifty years, but if we

1522
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:17,519
Speaker 6: don't start, if we don't start, I do believe in

1523
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:20,800
Speaker 6: fifty years, there will be no democracy. There will not

1524
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:25,519
Speaker 6: be any Black people in this country except those who

1525
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:28,599
Speaker 6: are on a different kind of plantation, because we're no

1526
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:32,160
Speaker 6: longer needed. Brother. We were needed in the seventeenth of

1527
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 6: the sixteenth century. They were too lazy to grow the cotton.

1528
01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:38,759
Speaker 6: They were too lazy to work in those tobacco fields.

1529
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:42,599
Speaker 6: We're no longer needed now they even have ai white folks,

1530
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:46,160
Speaker 6: or not even needed. The average white worker will not

1531
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 6: be needed in another decade. So this is survival mode.

1532
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:56,639
Speaker 6: We have no other choice but to teach our children

1533
01:34:56,680 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 6: in history. And if we have to protest barcott black

1534
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 6: institutions to do it, if we have to boycott that

1535
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 6: Black college to say, look, you put this, you put

1536
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:11,439
Speaker 6: this black history in every class, not just in English,

1537
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 6: not just in physically it but in size you excuse it,

1538
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:18,439
Speaker 6: in every course in your college. If we have to

1539
01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:21,080
Speaker 6: boycott one Black college at a time to do it,

1540
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:23,840
Speaker 6: I know it sounds wickle, but that's what it's going

1541
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 6: to take.

1542
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:28,040
Speaker 1: In my humble opinion, I got you eight after the top.

1543
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 1: I don't bring in one of your friends, Attorney Rose, Terra,

1544
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,479
Speaker 1: Tony Browner, Grand Rising, welcome to the program. Hang on

1545
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:36,719
Speaker 1: with Attorney fire Rose.

1546
01:35:38,120 --> 01:35:39,680
Speaker 6: I would like to say this before I leave it.

1547
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 6: The theme of our jubilie this year is all boots

1548
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:45,360
Speaker 6: on the bridge, and that's the song I meant to

1549
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:48,879
Speaker 6: send to you and I wish between now and jewilieve

1550
01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:51,479
Speaker 6: you would play. It's very well done, it's professionally done,

1551
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 6: and we believe that all boots are needed on the

1552
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:57,839
Speaker 6: bridge too in white supremacy, to protect our voting rights,

1553
01:35:57,880 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 6: to protect our citizenship rights, to end massive incarceration, to

1554
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:05,519
Speaker 6: end this band on black history, because let me say this,

1555
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:10,879
Speaker 6: when you banned the people, when you ban the story

1556
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:14,439
Speaker 6: about the books, when you ban black history, you ban

1557
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:17,840
Speaker 6: the people in the books. So ultimately the goal is

1558
01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:21,800
Speaker 6: to ban black people. I know it sounds red, but

1559
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:23,320
Speaker 6: we're no moment necessary.

1560
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a useless Eaters brother Tonya there.

1561
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:32,000
Speaker 4: Yes, I am Carl. Good morning, Carl, Good morning, Sister

1562
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:33,760
Speaker 4: Fire Rose, how are you my brother?

1563
01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:37,519
Speaker 6: Good morning, good morning. I'm going to hang up. I

1564
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 6: can't get your station.

1565
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:42,120
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, don't no, please don't hang up. Don't

1566
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:44,680
Speaker 4: hang up, because okay, I got it. I wanted to

1567
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:48,280
Speaker 4: ask you a couple of questions because I've known Fire

1568
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:51,439
Speaker 4: for almost twenty years. She would bring me down to

1569
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:54,360
Speaker 4: the bridge crossing Jubilee, and I've got the chance to

1570
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:57,640
Speaker 4: know her and her husband, Hank, and their family and

1571
01:36:57,720 --> 01:37:00,400
Speaker 4: just see all the hard work that this is that does.

1572
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:03,720
Speaker 4: She's very modest and she's not going to tell you

1573
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:06,040
Speaker 4: all the things that she does behind the scenes. But

1574
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:09,839
Speaker 4: I've been with her long enough to want to coax

1575
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:12,479
Speaker 4: her to share a couple of stories with you all.

1576
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:17,240
Speaker 4: See you were talking. She was talking about the school

1577
01:37:17,320 --> 01:37:20,280
Speaker 4: that she started, and then her mother ran tell them

1578
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:23,799
Speaker 4: about the camp that you had, the twenty first century

1579
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:27,920
Speaker 4: leadership camp that you had, and then how the Klan

1580
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:31,240
Speaker 4: burned your camp to the ground. Share that story with

1581
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 4: the listeners, please.

1582
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 6: It was back in the eighties. I guess we knew

1583
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 6: that the history was not being taught in the school

1584
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:43,080
Speaker 6: and that we didn't have a generation of Snick and

1585
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:46,680
Speaker 6: Black Panthers young people coming up. So we started the

1586
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:49,360
Speaker 6: camp and we were lucky enough at that first camp

1587
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:52,200
Speaker 6: to have John Lewis and one of the Black Panthers,

1588
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:55,840
Speaker 6: Ricky Rix, and they became exposed to that history. They

1589
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:58,679
Speaker 6: got to meet Rosa posts Claude at COVID and many

1590
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:01,760
Speaker 6: of the people Jessin Jackson. They get to got to

1591
01:38:01,800 --> 01:38:05,840
Speaker 6: know those stories. We called it a community focused leadership camp,

1592
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 6: and out of that camp came some very great leaders

1593
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:12,080
Speaker 6: that are known and unknown. The founder of the Knee too.

1594
01:38:12,120 --> 01:38:16,160
Speaker 6: Movement came out of there. Black Voters, Matters, Tasha Brown,

1595
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:19,639
Speaker 6: A lot of young people you don't know by name,

1596
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:24,639
Speaker 6: came out of those camps. And unfortunately we're not having

1597
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 6: those camps to the degree we used to have them

1598
01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:29,840
Speaker 6: because people have giving up on young people. Can I

1599
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:32,559
Speaker 6: still try to have those camps, but people are afraid

1600
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:34,840
Speaker 6: of children and they said, well I can't come to

1601
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:37,640
Speaker 6: that camp, something bad might happen. But those camps have

1602
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:41,599
Speaker 6: been very valuable, and Tony, we're still case Tony, you've

1603
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:44,400
Speaker 6: come to those camps. You talked those children about ancient Africa.

1604
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:48,960
Speaker 6: We actually took children to South Africa. We took them

1605
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:53,880
Speaker 6: to timbuktoo. We showed them the genius of Timbuctoo amed Baba,

1606
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:58,120
Speaker 6: the university where our European scholars came from all over

1607
01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:01,519
Speaker 6: the world to teach under that under that scholar. And

1608
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:07,080
Speaker 6: so Boomber from from Cynical, she still brings a generation

1609
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:10,760
Speaker 6: of young people to the jubilee. She started the twenty

1610
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:15,200
Speaker 6: first century our camp in in Cynical. So yes, that

1611
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:17,880
Speaker 6: was very important work, Tony, thank you for bringing it up.

1612
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:21,280
Speaker 4: Look, but I want I wanted you to to talk

1613
01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:27,439
Speaker 4: about how that camp was burned by white quote in Alabama, Yes,

1614
01:39:27,479 --> 01:39:29,559
Speaker 4: who are fearful of what you are producing?

1615
01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:35,400
Speaker 6: It was it was right after Obama came here. He

1616
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:38,760
Speaker 6: had he had he had just announced for this presidency.

1617
01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:43,040
Speaker 6: And they didn't brun it to the groundar they destroyed it.

1618
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:46,080
Speaker 6: That school that's still there. It's been my dream to

1619
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:48,680
Speaker 6: restore it. I've not been able to do it. And

1620
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:51,679
Speaker 6: we called the fbible what did they do? Even though

1621
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:55,559
Speaker 6: there was writing all over the camp Nigga rose, you know,

1622
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:59,080
Speaker 6: go back to Africa, all these crazy things, they left

1623
01:39:59,439 --> 01:40:02,040
Speaker 6: signs of who they were. But the FBI said, oh,

1624
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:05,040
Speaker 6: we just think that was Negros pretending to be white supremacists.

1625
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:08,679
Speaker 6: And so that that's what the FBI told me. Literally.

1626
01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:11,800
Speaker 6: So we have not been able to restore that camp.

1627
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 6: So now we have our camps at the local college.

1628
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:19,439
Speaker 6: But we definitely need every Going back to your earlier question,

1629
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:25,120
Speaker 6: every organization should have a community focused leadership program where

1630
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:27,920
Speaker 6: our children are exposed not just to black history, but

1631
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:34,120
Speaker 6: the struggles of resistance that have bothered us. For next question, Tony.

1632
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:36,439
Speaker 4: All right, well, my next question is you and your husband,

1633
01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:41,599
Speaker 4: Hey have a radio station. And when I first started

1634
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:45,920
Speaker 4: coming down to sell many years ago your I mentioned

1635
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,360
Speaker 4: to you that your format is similar to w L

1636
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:51,479
Speaker 4: and that it's talk radio. You have people on who

1637
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:54,799
Speaker 4: are raised in the consciousness. And if I'm not mistaken,

1638
01:40:54,920 --> 01:41:00,200
Speaker 4: dietting the Klan or White supremacists destroy your antenna, your

1639
01:41:00,240 --> 01:41:04,400
Speaker 4: broadcast antenna a couple of times, if I'm not mistaken, correct.

1640
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:07,559
Speaker 6: Yes, But the major damage came with a storm and

1641
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:10,679
Speaker 6: we have not been able to get back on. Well

1642
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:14,479
Speaker 6: that's not true. We came back on yesterday, but very limited.

1643
01:41:14,479 --> 01:41:17,519
Speaker 6: And that station is so important to getting information out

1644
01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:20,439
Speaker 6: because most of the stations around here are so commercial

1645
01:41:20,439 --> 01:41:23,120
Speaker 6: they don't tell the truth. But the major damage came

1646
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:28,599
Speaker 6: to our camp site. The damage to the radio was

1647
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:32,400
Speaker 6: not critical. The storm is what destroyed our radio station,

1648
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:37,519
Speaker 6: and we were not insured. We were not insured, all right.

1649
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:42,439
Speaker 4: So my last question or last issue I want you

1650
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 4: to speak to was during the fiftieth anniversary of the

1651
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:52,719
Speaker 4: bridge crossing j You believe Obama was there with his wife,

1652
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:55,799
Speaker 4: his mother in law, their family, and they marched across

1653
01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 4: the m. Pettis Bridge and there's this incredible photograph of

1654
01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:04,400
Speaker 4: them pushing Adam A. Sandford and Melia Boynton in wheelchairs.

1655
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:08,720
Speaker 4: Across the bridge, and there was a huge billboard at

1656
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:13,520
Speaker 4: the foot of the bridge that welcomed Obama to Selma.

1657
01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:17,599
Speaker 4: On the other side of that billboard, on the other

1658
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:21,519
Speaker 4: side of that billboard the local chapter of the ku

1659
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:27,160
Speaker 4: Klux Plan Prince a forty foot wire message UH with

1660
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:31,320
Speaker 4: an image of Nathan Bedford Forrest with the founder of

1661
01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:35,640
Speaker 4: the KKK, with with the statement keep the scare in

1662
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:42,640
Speaker 4: the scare in them. That was and and and you know,

1663
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:45,400
Speaker 4: I saw that, and I took pictures of the billboard,

1664
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:49,559
Speaker 4: and there were thousands of reporters there from all over

1665
01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:54,320
Speaker 4: the world, and none of them touched on that important

1666
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:58,559
Speaker 4: message of how deep racism of white supremacy is in

1667
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:00,680
Speaker 4: the United States and the fact that we have not

1668
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:04,479
Speaker 4: we really have not moved the needle from nineteen sixty

1669
01:43:04,479 --> 01:43:06,919
Speaker 4: five when Bloody Sunday occurred.

1670
01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:12,320
Speaker 6: You know, Tony tried my best to have it removed.

1671
01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:13,639
Speaker 4: It was on five of property.

1672
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:16,360
Speaker 6: But what bothered me is now just the trest didn't

1673
01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:19,799
Speaker 6: cover it, the leaders who crossed that bridge didn't speak

1674
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:24,640
Speaker 6: out against it. And even today in Selma, and this

1675
01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:28,280
Speaker 6: is sad, we have an all black counter commission because

1676
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:30,719
Speaker 6: of jim Andy Jackson and people who suffered so much.

1677
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:35,160
Speaker 6: But then all Black counter Commission hired as its attorney,

1678
01:43:36,120 --> 01:43:40,280
Speaker 6: the white man who represents those people, the daughters the

1679
01:43:40,280 --> 01:43:43,800
Speaker 6: Confederates who said load the guns up and killed them all.

1680
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 6: That's that white supremacy, that internal white supremacy that is

1681
01:43:48,200 --> 01:43:51,120
Speaker 6: holding us back. But if you would send me a

1682
01:43:51,160 --> 01:43:54,240
Speaker 6: picture that I would love to see it, because I've

1683
01:43:54,280 --> 01:43:56,080
Speaker 6: lost it. And there was I don't know if you

1684
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:58,720
Speaker 6: ever went to the cemetery, but with my efforts to

1685
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:03,479
Speaker 6: try to stop monument to Nathan B. Forrest in the

1686
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:08,519
Speaker 6: public cemetery, they actually put images of me as a

1687
01:44:08,600 --> 01:44:12,200
Speaker 6: domestic terrorist, trying to invite people to do me boling

1688
01:44:12,240 --> 01:44:14,880
Speaker 6: harmers you know, since I'm a woman, and not that

1689
01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:17,759
Speaker 6: effect that my life was saved. I was just chilled.

1690
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:23,640
Speaker 6: But again, still dealing with this awesome, awesome enemy of

1691
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:26,879
Speaker 6: white supremacy because people in Selma didn't seem to mine.

1692
01:44:27,120 --> 01:44:30,519
Speaker 6: Only a few of us protested it, but you didn't

1693
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:33,599
Speaker 6: even have the national leaders speaking out against it, and

1694
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:37,800
Speaker 6: we still have that problem. That sign is no longer there,

1695
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:40,840
Speaker 6: but that monument to Nathan B. Thomas is still in

1696
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:41,560
Speaker 6: the cemetery.

1697
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:46,920
Speaker 4: But I forgive you because she's eighty one years old

1698
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:49,599
Speaker 4: and as brilliant as you are, you do forget there.

1699
01:44:49,640 --> 01:44:53,160
Speaker 4: But we went to the cemetery together and walked around there,

1700
01:44:55,160 --> 01:45:01,200
Speaker 4: and they're a host of Confederate sol and generals and

1701
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:04,960
Speaker 4: KKK members buried in that cemetery. Yeah, we have a

1702
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:09,560
Speaker 4: bust of Nathan Bedford Force as a centerpiece in that cemetery,

1703
01:45:09,640 --> 01:45:12,160
Speaker 4: right and Heart of Righting Heart of sem and even

1704
01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:16,160
Speaker 4: Edmund Pettish, the man who the bridge is named after.

1705
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:18,720
Speaker 4: He is a clan member. He got his grave in

1706
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:19,920
Speaker 4: that cemetery as well.

1707
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:24,000
Speaker 6: Yes, Uh, this the point I was trying to make.

1708
01:45:26,200 --> 01:45:32,680
Speaker 6: We fought hard to keep those monuments and we were successful.

1709
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:38,760
Speaker 6: But and majeorged Black City Council gained the acre of

1710
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:42,559
Speaker 6: land to the daughters of Consederates, so now it cannot

1711
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:46,559
Speaker 6: be removed. When we were protesting, it was on public properties.

1712
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:46,880
Speaker 7: On it.

1713
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:51,120
Speaker 1: Right, I'll tell you what attorney fire rolls hold that

1714
01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:52,920
Speaker 1: foot the story right there. Have we got to take

1715
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:55,760
Speaker 1: a short break. I'll let you fascination discussion between you

1716
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:58,479
Speaker 1: and Tony Browner seventeen after the top. They have family.

1717
01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:01,080
Speaker 1: You two can get in on this Commas reach out

1718
01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:03,840
Speaker 1: to us at eight hundred four five zero seventy eight

1719
01:46:04,160 --> 01:46:07,000
Speaker 1: seventy six, and we'll ticket phone calls next and Grand

1720
01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:09,639
Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on this Wednesday morning.

1721
01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:11,400
Speaker 1: It's a hump day. That means we're halfway through the

1722
01:46:11,439 --> 01:46:15,840
Speaker 1: work week. Guests Attorney Faye Rose, Torey and also chemutologist

1723
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:18,840
Speaker 1: Tony Browner. I'm just getting a lot of response from

1724
01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:21,040
Speaker 1: the tweets from people who listen to the conversation. Well,

1725
01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:22,800
Speaker 1: I'll just read one once says I can listen to

1726
01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:25,280
Speaker 1: this queen mother all day. I wish he had all

1727
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:28,240
Speaker 1: four hours on your show this morning, and thank you

1728
01:46:28,280 --> 01:46:30,479
Speaker 1: for putting it on. So this is what I'm getting,

1729
01:46:30,479 --> 01:46:34,240
Speaker 1: and people amazed at some of the information. Attorney fire Rose,

1730
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:36,880
Speaker 1: they never heard this information before. So I'm gonna let

1731
01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:39,000
Speaker 1: you talk because I know Tony has another question for you.

1732
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:41,439
Speaker 1: I'm glad he cans here to pull out this information

1733
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:44,400
Speaker 1: out from between your ears here because you need to

1734
01:46:44,439 --> 01:46:49,600
Speaker 1: share this with our folks. Tony the follow up question, sure.

1735
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:52,320
Speaker 4: Now doing the break. I texted both you and fire

1736
01:46:52,439 --> 01:46:56,120
Speaker 4: Rolls pictures that you asked me, so the pictures of

1737
01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:59,200
Speaker 4: the Billboard with Nathan Bedford for as the founder of

1738
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:03,439
Speaker 4: the KKK that billboard. I sent you that picture. I

1739
01:47:03,479 --> 01:47:05,439
Speaker 4: sent you the photograph from the other side of the

1740
01:47:05,439 --> 01:47:09,439
Speaker 4: billboard where Selma welcomes Rock Obama and you to the

1741
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:12,320
Speaker 4: Bridge Crossing Jubilee, so you can see the contrast. I

1742
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:16,719
Speaker 4: sent the photograph of the statue of Nathan Bedford Ford

1743
01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:20,120
Speaker 4: to send the Confederate Cemetery. I also sent you the

1744
01:47:20,120 --> 01:47:24,479
Speaker 4: photograph of Edmond Pettis's grave, who was a KKK member,

1745
01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:28,240
Speaker 4: who was a Member of Congress elected from the state

1746
01:47:28,280 --> 01:47:32,479
Speaker 4: of Alabama. And then also on that same year there

1747
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:36,599
Speaker 4: was the I guess it was twenty fifteen, there was

1748
01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:42,040
Speaker 4: the fiftieth anniversary of the Bridge Crossing Jubilee. I was

1749
01:47:42,120 --> 01:47:46,040
Speaker 4: down there with Landon Roz, Jeffreyes and thousands of other people.

1750
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:50,400
Speaker 4: And the night before the march. The night before the march,

1751
01:47:50,439 --> 01:47:53,559
Speaker 4: I had gone over to have breakfast with the daughter

1752
01:47:53,560 --> 01:47:56,439
Speaker 4: in law of party Covid And when I walked and

1753
01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:59,439
Speaker 4: it's right around the corner from where from Brown Chapel,

1754
01:47:59,479 --> 01:48:01,519
Speaker 4: from where you again in the march. As I was

1755
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:06,240
Speaker 4: walking down the neighborhood, I found these flyers that had

1756
01:48:06,280 --> 01:48:09,360
Speaker 4: been passed out to all the houses in the community

1757
01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:12,880
Speaker 4: by the KKK, and the fire said, I sent you

1758
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:16,320
Speaker 4: a copy that saved our land joined the clan. So

1759
01:48:16,360 --> 01:48:21,200
Speaker 4: the plan was out distributing these flyers in Selma and

1760
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:26,120
Speaker 4: in Montgomery the night before the fiftieth anniversary. So white

1761
01:48:26,160 --> 01:48:30,040
Speaker 4: supremacy is not going to go anywhere until we destroy it,

1762
01:48:30,479 --> 01:48:32,960
Speaker 4: and we begin the process of the destruction of white

1763
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:38,240
Speaker 4: supremacy by destroying every concept of white superiority in our minds.

1764
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:42,519
Speaker 4: That's what doctor gil Saying was reinforcing every time she

1765
01:48:42,560 --> 01:48:43,360
Speaker 4: came on your show.

1766
01:48:43,439 --> 01:48:43,639
Speaker 10: Call.

1767
01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:47,479
Speaker 4: That's that's the biggest problem that we have to confront,

1768
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:50,880
Speaker 4: and it exists in our minds more so than anyplace else.

1769
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:55,560
Speaker 6: It cannot.

1770
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:58,080
Speaker 4: I just worked to say, I want to give you

1771
01:48:58,120 --> 01:49:03,080
Speaker 4: a hank your props because you are the youngest Occideennarians.

1772
01:49:03,200 --> 01:49:07,679
Speaker 4: I know you're busier than people who are half your age.

1773
01:49:08,040 --> 01:49:12,720
Speaker 4: You've taken on more responsibility, you made more sacrifices as

1774
01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:16,000
Speaker 4: a couple. You all have made more sacrifices than any

1775
01:49:16,040 --> 01:49:19,200
Speaker 4: people that I know. And you continue to give, you

1776
01:49:19,240 --> 01:49:22,720
Speaker 4: continue to give, and I love you and appreciate you

1777
01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:25,719
Speaker 4: and hat for all that you have done and continue

1778
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:27,160
Speaker 4: to do for us.

1779
01:49:28,160 --> 01:49:30,080
Speaker 6: And that's back to you, my brother, you have been

1780
01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:33,439
Speaker 6: so faithful. Whenever we needed you you we didn't have

1781
01:49:33,479 --> 01:49:36,599
Speaker 6: to put out a checkbook. You came, then your daughter came,

1782
01:49:37,080 --> 01:49:39,559
Speaker 6: and you don't know. You have just enlightened so many

1783
01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:46,640
Speaker 6: people to our history. I support homeless shelter here and

1784
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:49,320
Speaker 6: I had to take your book my only book. He said,

1785
01:49:50,120 --> 01:49:52,920
Speaker 6: do you have anything about Tony Browner? I need to

1786
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:55,760
Speaker 6: know something about Tony Browner. And so you have had

1787
01:49:55,800 --> 01:49:59,200
Speaker 6: an impact on our schools. It's just that we got

1788
01:49:59,240 --> 01:50:02,040
Speaker 6: to do more. And I think that in order to

1789
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:04,680
Speaker 6: do more, Tony, what do you think this is too radical? Say,

1790
01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:06,360
Speaker 6: we're going to have to start bought cotton and shrow

1791
01:50:06,439 --> 01:50:09,920
Speaker 6: testers against the own black institutions in order for them

1792
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:12,960
Speaker 6: to yield. I would think they're going to.

1793
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:18,960
Speaker 4: You're absolutely right, and to your point earlier about our

1794
01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:22,400
Speaker 4: organizations need to stop spending their money in white hotels

1795
01:50:22,439 --> 01:50:25,880
Speaker 4: and come to HBCUs. I'm pleased to announce that the

1796
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:32,040
Speaker 4: National Association of Black Psychologists is doing that. They're having

1797
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:36,880
Speaker 4: their twenty twenty six conference at Morgan State University, and

1798
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:41,800
Speaker 4: they have committed themselves to hold all future conferences at

1799
01:50:41,840 --> 01:50:44,559
Speaker 4: an HBCU and they're no longer going to give them

1800
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:49,760
Speaker 4: money to white businesses, and it's every organization that we're

1801
01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:53,720
Speaker 4: a member of, the fraternity, sororities and what have you,

1802
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:56,880
Speaker 4: did the same thing. We would hit white people in

1803
01:50:56,960 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 4: the pocketbook because that's the only thing that they will

1804
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:03,960
Speaker 4: respond to. Money is their god. And when we threaten

1805
01:51:04,520 --> 01:51:08,439
Speaker 4: their livelihood, their wealth, they would sit down and listen.

1806
01:51:08,439 --> 01:51:11,240
Speaker 4: They will come to a table. They may do it angrily,

1807
01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:13,719
Speaker 4: but they would sit down and listen because they want

1808
01:51:13,720 --> 01:51:16,400
Speaker 4: our money. We hold the power. We just have to

1809
01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:20,680
Speaker 4: realize that we do hold the power and be courageous

1810
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:26,160
Speaker 4: enough and to follow your suggestion, are radical enough in

1811
01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:29,640
Speaker 4: order to do the things that we've always had the

1812
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:30,519
Speaker 4: capacity to do.

1813
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:33,320
Speaker 6: Let me think it tell you something else that's going

1814
01:51:33,360 --> 01:51:36,479
Speaker 6: to be radical. I'm a member of Sargin right, and

1815
01:51:36,680 --> 01:51:39,840
Speaker 6: I became an active because this is what I said.

1816
01:51:40,439 --> 01:51:41,560
Speaker 6: We're not Greeks.

1817
01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:45,280
Speaker 5: Why are we called Greek sachs.

1818
01:51:46,680 --> 01:51:49,880
Speaker 6: We have a history of being some of the first

1819
01:51:50,280 --> 01:51:54,840
Speaker 6: writers of the alphabet. Why are we still calling ourselves Greece?

1820
01:51:54,960 --> 01:51:57,720
Speaker 6: To me, that is a part of the scheme of

1821
01:51:57,760 --> 01:52:00,720
Speaker 6: white supremacy. It's how we name myself. So how we

1822
01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:03,160
Speaker 6: name our organizations, how we name my children, how we

1823
01:52:03,240 --> 01:52:07,000
Speaker 6: name my institutions, so we're still calling ourselves Greeks. When

1824
01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:11,200
Speaker 6: the Greeks conquered Egypt and changed the names of the

1825
01:52:11,320 --> 01:52:14,759
Speaker 6: country and many of the things in Egypt, I wish

1826
01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:19,200
Speaker 6: I had ceased to my being active in my sorority,

1827
01:52:19,240 --> 01:52:21,080
Speaker 6: because I could have been there as an Africa. That's

1828
01:52:21,080 --> 01:52:24,240
Speaker 6: a mistake I made, because I would have advocated that

1829
01:52:24,280 --> 01:52:27,559
Speaker 6: they changed the name of these Greek organizations because they're

1830
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:30,920
Speaker 6: not Greeks.

1831
01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:35,040
Speaker 1: All right, let's right, there worn't cut out for you.

1832
01:52:35,080 --> 01:52:38,160
Speaker 6: See, white supremaciy has to be dismantled wherever it occurs.

1833
01:52:38,160 --> 01:52:42,519
Speaker 6: Sometimes so it's unconscious. It's so insidious. It's like air.

1834
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:46,080
Speaker 6: It's into everything. It's into our rap music, it's into

1835
01:52:46,160 --> 01:52:49,080
Speaker 6: the movies that we watch. Uh, it's into the culture.

1836
01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:52,400
Speaker 6: And therefore we have to be conscious of it. And

1837
01:52:52,439 --> 01:52:56,960
Speaker 6: I think, what would be great, Tony. It's for it's

1838
01:52:57,320 --> 01:53:00,719
Speaker 6: for our scholars and our activists to come together because

1839
01:53:00,720 --> 01:53:05,000
Speaker 6: we're so separated, you know, our civil rights organizations, of

1840
01:53:05,320 --> 01:53:08,599
Speaker 6: our great so called Greek organizations, our churches to come

1841
01:53:08,640 --> 01:53:12,240
Speaker 6: together and come up with a on how you dismantle

1842
01:53:12,680 --> 01:53:16,360
Speaker 6: this beast coal white supremacy. One brick at a time.

1843
01:53:17,000 --> 01:53:20,679
Speaker 6: I don't think we've done that collectively, and that's one

1844
01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:23,320
Speaker 6: thing that JU really tries to do to try to

1845
01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:26,800
Speaker 6: do it collectively. We tried to broaden and not well,

1846
01:53:26,840 --> 01:53:32,080
Speaker 6: it's not just a educational summit, but how do we

1847
01:53:32,120 --> 01:53:36,000
Speaker 6: come together. We are meeting also this year with brown people,

1848
01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:40,639
Speaker 6: the Latino people, because we realize the divisions between us,

1849
01:53:40,840 --> 01:53:44,559
Speaker 6: and we realize that they want all of us to

1850
01:53:44,680 --> 01:53:48,800
Speaker 6: be eliminated from this country, and we have to have

1851
01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:51,600
Speaker 6: a strategy to work together. That's the thing that we

1852
01:53:51,720 --> 01:53:54,559
Speaker 6: added this year to this year's you Believe, and we

1853
01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:55,840
Speaker 6: are very excited about that.

1854
01:53:57,680 --> 01:53:59,519
Speaker 1: Let me jump you here for a second at Tiny

1855
01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:02,600
Speaker 1: Fire because a questions from people tweeting me, did you

1856
01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:04,880
Speaker 1: believe going to be streamed? Because if folks can't make

1857
01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:06,640
Speaker 1: it to sell them, can they watch it online?

1858
01:54:08,040 --> 01:54:11,080
Speaker 6: You know, our sisters in Africa couldn't come, they're so

1859
01:54:11,200 --> 01:54:14,320
Speaker 6: free to come because of these policies with a Trump,

1860
01:54:14,840 --> 01:54:17,080
Speaker 6: they're not coming this year, and they're trying to find

1861
01:54:17,120 --> 01:54:21,719
Speaker 6: ways to stream it to Africa. So let me see

1862
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:24,000
Speaker 6: if they could also find a way to stream it

1863
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:28,479
Speaker 6: in America. I think that's an excellent idea. I know Koomberg,

1864
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:31,280
Speaker 6: you know koomber Tony. She comes every year with a

1865
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:35,080
Speaker 6: beautiful delegation. But she's coming. She's actually a fred She's

1866
01:54:35,120 --> 01:54:37,960
Speaker 6: not a fearful woman. But with these new policies with

1867
01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:40,320
Speaker 6: Trump that she could be caught in this country and

1868
01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:43,520
Speaker 6: not put in one of those concentration camps. But I

1869
01:54:43,560 --> 01:54:46,080
Speaker 6: will talk to her about the possibility of streaming it.

1870
01:54:46,360 --> 01:54:49,640
Speaker 6: She's now trying to stream it to Africa, to countries

1871
01:54:49,680 --> 01:54:51,760
Speaker 6: in Africa. I'll look into that. I don't know that

1872
01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:54,800
Speaker 6: much about technology, so I'm not sure it can be done.

1873
01:54:55,240 --> 01:54:56,520
Speaker 6: But I tell you what I want you to do,

1874
01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:58,200
Speaker 6: and you got as you're gonna do it. I sent

1875
01:54:58,280 --> 01:55:01,400
Speaker 6: you the wrong tape I need to play on your

1876
01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:04,920
Speaker 6: show one day before the jubilee, all boots on the bridge.

1877
01:55:05,080 --> 01:55:10,520
Speaker 6: Believe me. It captures the theme of our jubilee this year.

1878
01:55:10,720 --> 01:55:13,440
Speaker 6: For example, there's one line in it that says, you

1879
01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:17,240
Speaker 6: can't ban our history if you ban me. If they

1880
01:55:17,400 --> 01:55:21,680
Speaker 6: ban you, they'll ban me, you know. So it's like

1881
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:24,600
Speaker 6: a singing rap, but it captures the essence of what

1882
01:55:24,640 --> 01:55:26,000
Speaker 6: this jubilee is about.

1883
01:55:26,840 --> 01:55:28,920
Speaker 1: All right, say to us and we will play for you.

1884
01:55:29,760 --> 01:55:33,240
Speaker 1: Thank you, Yeah, you said with the wrong one. But

1885
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:36,880
Speaker 1: that's okay, Attorney fireoalls so Ray, thank you, thank you

1886
01:55:36,920 --> 01:55:38,920
Speaker 1: for all these stories, and thank you again and thank

1887
01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:42,400
Speaker 1: you Tony for pulling those stories out of her. Wow, folks,

1888
01:55:42,840 --> 01:55:44,080
Speaker 1: messmerized website.

1889
01:55:44,160 --> 01:55:46,520
Speaker 6: I need to leave the website with you. It makes

1890
01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:50,160
Speaker 6: not the Jubilee. Tell them Jubilee dot com. Sell Jubilee

1891
01:55:50,200 --> 01:55:52,640
Speaker 6: dot com. They could get the full schedule. Sell mo

1892
01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:54,160
Speaker 6: Jubilee dot com.

1893
01:55:54,600 --> 01:55:57,400
Speaker 1: All right, thank you Tony fire Roads, and say hi

1894
01:55:57,480 --> 01:55:58,600
Speaker 1: to hang for us as well.

1895
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:03,560
Speaker 4: I sure will he Tony, Okay, okay, take care, bye bye.

1896
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:08,160
Speaker 1: All right, there we go family, the Tony Browners, I

1897
01:56:08,160 --> 01:56:10,840
Speaker 1: guess right now. Thank you Tony for helping us out

1898
01:56:10,840 --> 01:56:13,280
Speaker 1: there with the Tony fire Rose. Torrey learned a lot

1899
01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:15,720
Speaker 1: because did you know those questions you're asking. What I

1900
01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:18,080
Speaker 1: didn't know was that the klan is still active as

1901
01:56:18,120 --> 01:56:20,560
Speaker 1: we speak, is you know when they talked about the Cookoksklan,

1902
01:56:20,600 --> 01:56:23,000
Speaker 1: we talked we think about fifties, sixties. You know, we're

1903
01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:25,760
Speaker 1: talking about twenty twenty six, twenty twenty five. The clan

1904
01:56:25,880 --> 01:56:28,480
Speaker 1: is still doing their thing and we don't know about it.

1905
01:56:28,600 --> 01:56:30,400
Speaker 1: I think if you're pulling those questions out forever.

1906
01:56:31,200 --> 01:56:33,880
Speaker 4: Oh, no problem, man. And as I said, I've had

1907
01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:38,640
Speaker 4: the pleasure of coming down to Selma for the jubilee.

1908
01:56:39,800 --> 01:56:43,280
Speaker 4: Well over fifteen years. I would come down, my daughter

1909
01:56:43,400 --> 01:56:49,120
Speaker 4: Lances would come down, and we actually had a program

1910
01:56:49,200 --> 01:56:53,760
Speaker 4: in place in Perry County, which is a neighboring school district,

1911
01:56:53,760 --> 01:56:57,960
Speaker 4: where the superintendent of the school system was in one

1912
01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:02,000
Speaker 4: of our educational events and he was so taken with

1913
01:57:02,080 --> 01:57:05,400
Speaker 4: the history that we were sharing that he allowed us

1914
01:57:05,480 --> 01:57:10,560
Speaker 4: to develop and implement a afric the Center curriculum in

1915
01:57:10,640 --> 01:57:13,000
Speaker 4: all of the high schools in his county. Now, granted

1916
01:57:13,000 --> 01:57:16,000
Speaker 4: it's a small county, but we came down and for

1917
01:57:16,040 --> 01:57:21,200
Speaker 4: several years we did programs. We had the timelines scroll

1918
01:57:21,680 --> 01:57:25,040
Speaker 4: that I've been working with my colleague from the UK, Paul.

1919
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:32,040
Speaker 4: We had timelines in every classroom in that county, every classroom,

1920
01:57:32,280 --> 01:57:35,640
Speaker 4: and then they had a huge twenty five foot long

1921
01:57:35,680 --> 01:57:40,800
Speaker 4: timeline in the lobby of the four schools in that county. So,

1922
01:57:41,400 --> 01:57:46,160
Speaker 4: you know, with fire Roses, guidance and assistants and her

1923
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Speaker 4: ever nagging presence because she was were folks down, we

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Speaker 4: were able to make some serious progress. We were able

1925
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Speaker 4: to see a quantitative improvement in the performance of the

1926
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Speaker 4: students who are who are involved in our program. But

1927
01:58:04,520 --> 01:58:09,440
Speaker 4: you know, Negroes came along and undermined a lot of

1928
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Speaker 4: that major work. So I've seen the firsthand by coming

1929
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Speaker 4: down to Selma. One of our biggest impediments to fighting

1930
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Speaker 4: racism and white supremacy are Negroes who fear that they

1931
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Speaker 4: can't live without white folks. They can't live without white

1932
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Speaker 4: history and white culture and and all the propaganda that

1933
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Speaker 4: they've internalized all their lives. And I've seen them turn

1934
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Speaker 4: on fire roads, I've seen them turning on her husband.

1935
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Speaker 4: It's it's sad and it's frightening.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

1937
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Speaker 4: But the reality is, uh, the Sanders keep on pushing.

1938
01:58:48,640 --> 01:58:52,839
Speaker 4: I mean, they have more determination, more grit, more courage

1939
01:58:52,960 --> 01:58:56,520
Speaker 4: than any any couple that I know. And they are

1940
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Speaker 4: living legends, man. So hats off to them for everything

1941
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Speaker 4: that they had done they continue to do.

1942
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Speaker 1: All right. Twenty six away from the top of Bob

1943
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Speaker 1: and Buffalo has a question for you. Tony's online too,

1944
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Speaker 1: Grand Rising Bob a question for Tony Browner.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, blessed Love. I'm sorry I couldn't catch the back

1946
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Speaker 9: and forth. I really enjoyed the back and forth between

1947
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Speaker 9: the three of you. I really enjoyed that. A couple

1948
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Speaker 9: of comments. One, I'm a member of a Greek letter organization,

1949
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Speaker 9: not a Greek organization when alpha first of all, and yes, sir,

1950
01:59:36,040 --> 01:59:37,800
Speaker 9: but I wish there was a way we can replace

1951
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Speaker 9: those letters with just like the sister said, but at

1952
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Speaker 9: least we can call ourselves Greek letter organizations. They're not

1953
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Speaker 9: Greek organizations. First of all, that would clarify some of

1954
01:59:48,120 --> 01:59:52,960
Speaker 9: the confusion. But the other thing is stop calling it

1955
01:59:53,360 --> 02:00:00,240
Speaker 9: white supremacy. Call it what it is, Europeon domination. And

1956
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Speaker 9: we got to end the European domination that has existed

1957
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Speaker 9: upon this planet. And the third comment I wanted to

1958
02:00:08,120 --> 02:00:11,400
Speaker 9: make was about the Edmund Pettis Bridge. I think we

1959
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Speaker 9: should have a movement to place John Lewis's name above

1960
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Speaker 9: Edmund Pettis's name, so we can conquer the image of

1961
02:00:19,800 --> 02:00:23,040
Speaker 9: Edmund Pettis and let them know that John Lewis has

1962
02:00:23,080 --> 02:00:31,600
Speaker 9: overcome the supremacy. Don't call supremacy European domination. That Edmund

1963
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Speaker 9: Pettis that name. I think we should keep that name historically,

1964
02:00:35,240 --> 02:00:38,960
Speaker 9: but add John Lewis's name on top of it, and

1965
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Speaker 9: thank you for what you do with the third good Marshall.

1966
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Speaker 4: Well, thank you brother, and then look, don't go. Don't go,

1967
02:00:45,160 --> 02:00:49,000
Speaker 4: because you're giving me a great opportunity for us to dialogue.

1968
02:00:49,040 --> 02:00:50,960
Speaker 4: I'm a member of the Alpha Phi Opera plays the

1969
02:00:50,960 --> 02:00:54,360
Speaker 4: Beta Chapter Howard University in nineteen seventy two. I didn't

1970
02:00:54,360 --> 02:00:57,000
Speaker 4: know anything about fraternities when I got involved in. What

1971
02:00:57,440 --> 02:01:00,760
Speaker 4: the fraternity has meant for me is good. I was

1972
02:01:00,800 --> 02:01:04,320
Speaker 4: an only child, I had eleven brothers and and so,

1973
02:01:04,480 --> 02:01:08,040
Speaker 4: and I stepped away from the fraternity because I didn't

1974
02:01:08,040 --> 02:01:10,920
Speaker 4: see them doing the things that that we should have

1975
02:01:10,960 --> 02:01:14,320
Speaker 4: been doing as black men to help our black community.

1976
02:01:14,480 --> 02:01:16,960
Speaker 4: And I also felt that there should have been more

1977
02:01:17,040 --> 02:01:20,840
Speaker 4: emphasis place on knowing the history. We call ourselves sphincsmen,

1978
02:01:21,120 --> 02:01:24,960
Speaker 4: but we don't know the history. So so you know,

1979
02:01:25,120 --> 02:01:29,360
Speaker 4: I have, I have my my differences. That I work

1980
02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:32,320
Speaker 4: with people who I can work with, and it's about

1981
02:01:32,400 --> 02:01:36,440
Speaker 4: having conversation and dialogue and being able to find neutral

1982
02:01:36,720 --> 02:01:38,120
Speaker 4: ground where you can work together.

1983
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Speaker 6: UH.

1984
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Speaker 4: For you can demonstrate to other young people our capacity

1985
02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:45,040
Speaker 4: to work together and to build bridges that they can

1986
02:01:45,080 --> 02:01:49,720
Speaker 4: cross over with regards to with regards to the every

1987
02:01:49,720 --> 02:01:53,680
Speaker 4: Petits Bridge UH and renaming it or adding John Lewis's

1988
02:01:53,800 --> 02:01:56,320
Speaker 4: name to it. Let me make this suggestion because they're

1989
02:01:56,480 --> 02:01:59,600
Speaker 4: they're things. They are things that the public doesn't know

1990
02:02:01,320 --> 02:02:06,400
Speaker 4: about public personalities, and now's not the place to discuss

1991
02:02:06,480 --> 02:02:07,560
Speaker 4: this in public.

1992
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Speaker 1: But I'll tell you, well, hold that thought right there,

1993
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Speaker 1: brother Tony, we got to step aside for a few moments.

1994
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Speaker 1: I'll let you finish your thought on the other side.

1995
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Speaker 1: And Bob, of course it was Tony once you stay

1996
02:02:15,280 --> 02:02:17,400
Speaker 1: so stick around. Family. You two can get in on

1997
02:02:17,400 --> 02:02:19,600
Speaker 1: this discussion. Reach out to us at eight hundred four

1998
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Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take

1999
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Speaker 1: your phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for

2000
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Speaker 1: staying with us on this Wednesday morning. It's a hun day.

2001
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Speaker 1: We're halfway through the work week with our guess, the chemutologist,

2002
02:02:30,680 --> 02:02:33,560
Speaker 1: Tony Browner. At some point, Tony's gonna give us, you know,

2003
02:02:33,720 --> 02:02:36,520
Speaker 1: the at least share with us what the forty day

2004
02:02:36,680 --> 02:02:39,560
Speaker 1: ascension celebration is for doctor Charles Finch that's going to

2005
02:02:39,600 --> 02:02:42,200
Speaker 1: take place on Thursday. Because so much wonder what happens

2006
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Speaker 1: when we when we make our transition. Tony's going to

2007
02:02:45,240 --> 02:02:47,560
Speaker 1: bring that to the forefront for us. But Tony I'll

2008
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Speaker 1: let you finish your response to Bob in Buffalo.

2009
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Speaker 4: Sure well, Bob. The other point that I wanted to

2010
02:02:53,520 --> 02:02:59,360
Speaker 4: comment on was regarding your suggestion that John Lewis's name

2011
02:02:59,440 --> 02:03:03,160
Speaker 4: he placed the of Edmund Pettis's name at the bridge.

2012
02:03:03,520 --> 02:03:08,280
Speaker 4: And if you heard what sister fire had recommended, that

2013
02:03:09,360 --> 02:03:14,640
Speaker 4: we really should look at other people who may not

2014
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Speaker 4: be as well known, whose spirit is important to acknowledge.

2015
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Speaker 4: She mentioned the suggestion that Jimmy Lee Jackson's name be

2016
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Speaker 4: placed on that bridge, as well as Amelia Boynton. And

2017
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Speaker 4: just to give you all some perspective, Amelia Boyntons, as

2018
02:03:35,360 --> 02:03:38,000
Speaker 4: Fire Roa said, was the woman. She and her husband

2019
02:03:38,040 --> 02:03:42,480
Speaker 4: had moved to Selma from from Tuskegee. Her husband was

2020
02:03:42,520 --> 02:03:46,760
Speaker 4: an insurance salesman, had developed a thriving business, and when

2021
02:03:46,760 --> 02:03:50,480
Speaker 4: they saw what was happening in Selma, it was Amelia

2022
02:03:50,560 --> 02:03:54,280
Speaker 4: Boynton who wrote a letter to doctor King inviting him

2023
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Speaker 4: to come to Selma. So had it not been for

2024
02:03:56,760 --> 02:04:02,360
Speaker 4: her bloody Sunday with not be noted in the history books.

2025
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Speaker 4: This woman, when I met her, she was over one

2026
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Speaker 4: hundred years old and her mind was sharp as attack.

2027
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Speaker 4: And as I mentioned, you see Barack Obama and his

2028
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Speaker 4: family pushing two elders across the Edmond Pettits Bridge. One

2029
02:04:17,280 --> 02:04:22,480
Speaker 4: was Amelia Boynton and the other was Adelaide Sandford, the

2030
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Speaker 4: first African American border regents for the state of New York.

2031
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Speaker 4: So there are people whose names have been left out

2032
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Speaker 4: of the history who deserve to be acknowledged for the

2033
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Speaker 4: work that they've done. That's not to take anything away

2034
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Speaker 4: from John Lewis, but we also need to acknowledge those

2035
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Speaker 4: unnamed sisters and brothers who deserve a lot of the credits.

2036
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Speaker 4: So we need to and we also need to find

2037
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Speaker 4: ways to have these sources of discussions so that we

2038
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Speaker 4: can talk behind closed doors and make certain agreements so

2039
02:04:55,560 --> 02:04:57,480
Speaker 4: that when we come out in public, we can speak

2040
02:04:57,480 --> 02:05:00,960
Speaker 4: with the unified voice. That's what so critically important, and

2041
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Speaker 4: also too regarding your want to your desire to avoid

2042
02:05:07,080 --> 02:05:11,320
Speaker 4: using the term of white supremacy. I've had long conversations

2043
02:05:11,320 --> 02:05:15,400
Speaker 4: with doctor Wilson about that, and part of this campaign

2044
02:05:15,880 --> 02:05:19,640
Speaker 4: to challenge this beast is we have to meet people

2045
02:05:19,640 --> 02:05:24,240
Speaker 4: where they are and then slowly begin to move them

2046
02:05:24,440 --> 02:05:29,920
Speaker 4: to a different place. Everyone everyone understands the words racism

2047
02:05:30,040 --> 02:05:33,160
Speaker 4: or white supremacy, So I find that to be a

2048
02:05:33,240 --> 02:05:37,720
Speaker 4: convenient conversation starter, a door opener, if you will to

2049
02:05:37,800 --> 02:05:40,560
Speaker 4: begin to educate those who are ready to be educated

2050
02:05:40,840 --> 02:05:44,400
Speaker 4: and then move them into another direction where they can

2051
02:05:44,480 --> 02:05:50,040
Speaker 4: change their thought process, change their speech, change their language

2052
02:05:50,320 --> 02:05:54,600
Speaker 4: to represent transformation of consciousness. But listen, Bob. Also, let

2053
02:05:54,600 --> 02:05:58,520
Speaker 4: me give you my email address, brouderfile at yahoo dot com,

2054
02:05:58,880 --> 02:06:02,840
Speaker 4: Brouder file and Yahoo dot caram, so we can have

2055
02:06:02,920 --> 02:06:05,960
Speaker 4: a conversation off are ye.

2056
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Speaker 9: A couple of things. When you mentioned Adamie Extuvenson's name,

2057
02:06:09,760 --> 02:06:11,880
Speaker 9: I heard her voice in my mind, the power of

2058
02:06:11,960 --> 02:06:15,040
Speaker 9: us calling the name of our answer. I heard her

2059
02:06:15,120 --> 02:06:18,840
Speaker 9: voice as you called her name, and I was asking

2060
02:06:18,880 --> 02:06:23,400
Speaker 9: about crossing the burning sands and the power of storytelling

2061
02:06:23,600 --> 02:06:27,520
Speaker 9: or myths telling, or knowing how to see through the

2062
02:06:27,680 --> 02:06:31,280
Speaker 9: terminologies and the story of hiram a this if you

2063
02:06:31,280 --> 02:06:35,240
Speaker 9: can talk about the power of the organizations that we

2064
02:06:35,400 --> 02:06:38,160
Speaker 9: have that tell these stories but don't tell the story

2065
02:06:38,160 --> 02:06:39,000
Speaker 9: behind the story.

2066
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Speaker 4: Let me say this about this using an understanding myth,

2067
02:06:45,280 --> 02:06:48,480
Speaker 4: the power of myth. I would recommend anyone see the

2068
02:06:48,760 --> 02:06:50,600
Speaker 4: I think it was a fourth part or sixth part

2069
02:06:51,280 --> 02:06:55,000
Speaker 4: television interview that Bill Morier's head with Joseph Campbell. The

2070
02:06:55,080 --> 02:06:58,360
Speaker 4: series was called The Power of Myth. And this white

2071
02:06:58,360 --> 02:07:02,640
Speaker 4: guy Joseph Campbell, a white guy with an African soul.

2072
02:07:03,000 --> 02:07:06,000
Speaker 4: I mean he lays it out. He's telling truth in

2073
02:07:06,120 --> 02:07:09,320
Speaker 4: such a way that everybody can receive it. And myths

2074
02:07:09,360 --> 02:07:16,200
Speaker 4: are way of transferring traditions, knowledge, wisdom and power throughout

2075
02:07:16,240 --> 02:07:20,880
Speaker 4: the ages. Myths are layered. Myths are not true, but

2076
02:07:21,000 --> 02:07:28,000
Speaker 4: they contain truth and just says with fraternity sororities, signing organizations,

2077
02:07:28,280 --> 02:07:32,560
Speaker 4: many organizations, they're founded on myths and the myths are layered.

2078
02:07:33,200 --> 02:07:38,640
Speaker 4: And so with Nasonry, for example, I would dare say

2079
02:07:38,800 --> 02:07:43,840
Speaker 4: that that of others in the Masonic Lodge only know

2080
02:07:43,920 --> 02:07:46,600
Speaker 4: the myths on a lower level, on the third degree level.

2081
02:07:47,360 --> 02:07:52,160
Speaker 4: There's there's a profound difference in consciousness between those who

2082
02:07:52,240 --> 02:07:56,080
Speaker 4: at the third degree where they are mastermations, and those

2083
02:07:56,120 --> 02:07:58,840
Speaker 4: who have the thirtieth degree or the thirty third degree.

2084
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:04,080
Speaker 4: When you raise your consciousness, the myths take on a

2085
02:08:04,120 --> 02:08:07,080
Speaker 4: deeper and more profound meaning. But you have to be

2086
02:08:07,160 --> 02:08:10,120
Speaker 4: willing to be engaged in the process. Nobody's gonna give

2087
02:08:10,160 --> 02:08:12,600
Speaker 4: you anything just because you ask for it. You have

2088
02:08:12,680 --> 02:08:15,720
Speaker 4: to prove your worthiness.

2089
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Speaker 1: All right, and thank you again, Bob for those questions.

2090
02:08:19,200 --> 02:08:22,000
Speaker 1: Thirteen away from the top there, Melvin is in Baltimore.

2091
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Speaker 1: That's another question for you, Tony. It's on line four,

2092
02:08:24,720 --> 02:08:25,640
Speaker 1: Grand Rising, Melvin.

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Speaker 11: You're on with Tony Browner, Grand Rising everyone. My question

2094
02:08:32,320 --> 02:08:36,960
Speaker 11: is a couple a couple of points, mister Browner, could

2095
02:08:37,000 --> 02:08:41,839
Speaker 11: you uh spell and pronounce your name? I think a crotch.

2096
02:08:42,840 --> 02:08:47,160
Speaker 11: Out of respect for in our community, I'm referring to

2097
02:08:47,200 --> 02:08:52,760
Speaker 11: you by your chosen new name. Also, your timeline was

2098
02:08:52,880 --> 02:08:56,720
Speaker 11: very inspirational. I saw it online. I'm gonna get me

2099
02:08:56,760 --> 02:09:02,360
Speaker 11: a copy. I plan to do some work tutoring children

2100
02:09:02,640 --> 02:09:08,360
Speaker 11: and I will use that during my one of my sessions.

2101
02:09:08,960 --> 02:09:13,000
Speaker 11: And also, could you let me know what the appropriate

2102
02:09:14,120 --> 02:09:22,480
Speaker 11: some appropriate Black history for children? Eleven? Thank you? Fifth too,

2103
02:09:23,400 --> 02:09:28,160
Speaker 11: kindergarten to fifth grade appropriate marterial material to teach black

2104
02:09:28,280 --> 02:09:32,240
Speaker 11: history during a tutoring session to teach them how to read.

2105
02:09:35,160 --> 02:09:38,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a that's a lot, Melbourne. To answer your

2106
02:09:38,800 --> 02:09:43,240
Speaker 4: questions as succinctly as I can. That the name that

2107
02:09:43,400 --> 02:09:47,680
Speaker 4: has been given to me by h Nana and soon

2108
02:09:47,760 --> 02:09:53,040
Speaker 4: to be ancestor Charles Fence and ancestor Patricia Newton Karak

2109
02:09:53,440 --> 02:09:55,560
Speaker 4: They were the first two people to start calling me

2110
02:09:55,640 --> 02:09:59,520
Speaker 4: karak k a r a k h k A r

2111
02:09:59,600 --> 02:10:05,240
Speaker 4: a k which is a shortened version of the name Karakamn.

2112
02:10:05,600 --> 02:10:12,160
Speaker 4: Karakamn Karakamn was is the name of the priest whose

2113
02:10:12,320 --> 02:10:16,920
Speaker 4: tomb I invested fifteen years in my life excavating and

2114
02:10:17,000 --> 02:10:21,520
Speaker 4: restoring on the west bank of Luxur, Egypt. Karakamen was

2115
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Speaker 4: a Kushite priest, the son of Schabaka, the third king

2116
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Speaker 4: of the twenty fifth dynasty. Karakamen was a priest of

2117
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Speaker 4: our men at Karnak Temple on the east bank of

2118
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Speaker 4: the Nile River. And you know, with regards to with

2119
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Speaker 4: regards to that name, you know Charles French who is

2120
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Speaker 4: also known by the name Wagan finds Uh and sister

2121
02:10:46,880 --> 02:10:49,920
Speaker 4: doctor Patricia Newton who was also known by the name

2122
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Speaker 4: sek Met. Both of them had come to Egypt and

2123
02:10:54,160 --> 02:10:58,320
Speaker 4: visited the excavation site that was the work that was

2124
02:10:58,360 --> 02:11:01,480
Speaker 4: done through the as of Restoration project it and they

2125
02:11:01,520 --> 02:11:07,200
Speaker 4: both started calling me karak or Karaka men the second

2126
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Speaker 4: because of the similarities between a image of him in

2127
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Speaker 4: his tomb and me. And when they first started calling

2128
02:11:19,120 --> 02:11:23,200
Speaker 4: me karak you know, I was kind of humbled by it,

2129
02:11:23,240 --> 02:11:25,880
Speaker 4: but I thought, you know, it's kind of egotistical for

2130
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Speaker 4: me to take on that name. But Y'arles Finch wore

2131
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Speaker 4: me down when he started talking about how ancestors returned

2132
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Speaker 4: and are reborn and other people to continue their work.

2133
02:11:41,440 --> 02:11:43,720
Speaker 4: And it was Charles who, over the course of maybe

2134
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Speaker 4: four or five years, said, you are Korak, the spirit

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Speaker 4: of Karaka men. You come back to restore your tool.

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Speaker 4: Said nobody else could do this, nobody else has done

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Speaker 4: this before. And so over time man I came to

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02:11:59,680 --> 02:12:04,040
Speaker 4: understand the perspective that he possessed. That took me a

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02:12:04,080 --> 02:12:07,680
Speaker 4: while to really grow into one of the names that

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Speaker 4: Charles Finch. Doctor Charles Frinch is known by is wagan

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02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:16,680
Speaker 4: Fi and that name was given to him by the

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02:12:16,800 --> 02:12:21,160
Speaker 4: Surrey people in Senegal. And he said that he had

2143
02:12:21,200 --> 02:12:26,360
Speaker 4: been traveling to Senegal working with indigenous healers for over

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02:12:26,440 --> 02:12:29,680
Speaker 4: a decade and once they got to know him. He

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02:12:29,720 --> 02:12:32,840
Speaker 4: said he was sitting down under a tree one afternoon

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02:12:33,120 --> 02:12:36,240
Speaker 4: and the elders in that community were looking at him

2147
02:12:36,440 --> 02:12:38,640
Speaker 4: and talking and plunging at him and talking, and then

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02:12:38,680 --> 02:12:42,360
Speaker 4: they said, come here, come here, and they told him

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Speaker 4: that he is Charles Finch. Is the return of the

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Speaker 4: spirit of wagan Phi. What goan Phi was a chief

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02:12:51,600 --> 02:12:56,200
Speaker 4: of that community who lived I believe in the fifteenth century, right,

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Speaker 4: and he was humbled by that and he took on

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02:13:00,640 --> 02:13:03,840
Speaker 4: that name. So those of us who knew him, you know, personally,

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02:13:04,160 --> 02:13:07,000
Speaker 4: would address him as well gone five. Now what does

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02:13:07,040 --> 02:13:13,080
Speaker 4: all of this mean? In now value culture as well

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02:13:13,120 --> 02:13:19,000
Speaker 4: as traditional African culture, there is an understanding that spirit

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02:13:19,280 --> 02:13:22,840
Speaker 4: is eternal and the body is temporary, and when a

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02:13:22,920 --> 02:13:26,520
Speaker 4: body dies, when a person dies, this spirit returns to

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02:13:26,640 --> 02:13:30,800
Speaker 4: the ancestral realm and that spirit or the soul of

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02:13:30,920 --> 02:13:34,360
Speaker 4: that spirit is evaluated, and this is where you get

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Speaker 4: the wing of the soul concept and chemists, and then

2162
02:13:37,680 --> 02:13:41,200
Speaker 4: a judgment is made as to the quality of life

2163
02:13:41,360 --> 02:13:47,000
Speaker 4: that that soul lives in its last incarnation, and that

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02:13:47,200 --> 02:13:51,640
Speaker 4: then determines the quality of life that soul will experience.

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Speaker 4: And it makes incarnation so very deep within the mythology,

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02:13:57,800 --> 02:14:03,040
Speaker 4: the customs, the traditions of African society as well as

2167
02:14:03,320 --> 02:14:09,440
Speaker 4: many other indigenous societies. Is this understanding that ancestors return, right,

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02:14:09,680 --> 02:14:12,520
Speaker 4: that ancestors return, and it's the role of the elders

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02:14:12,520 --> 02:14:18,200
Speaker 4: in the community to look at where and when those

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02:14:18,240 --> 02:14:22,640
Speaker 4: ancestors return in the children or the young adults. And

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02:14:22,760 --> 02:14:28,280
Speaker 4: once they identify what ancestral spirit is now expressing itself

2172
02:14:28,480 --> 02:14:33,160
Speaker 4: through a person, then knowing the history of that ancestor spirit,

2173
02:14:33,240 --> 02:14:37,280
Speaker 4: they know what to call them. They know what their

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02:14:37,320 --> 02:14:40,600
Speaker 4: personal tendencies are going to be, They know what educational

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02:14:40,680 --> 02:14:43,480
Speaker 4: tract to put them on in order to continue the

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Speaker 4: advancement of that soul in this particular lifetime, so that

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Speaker 4: when that body dies and that soul goes through the

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02:14:53,600 --> 02:14:58,280
Speaker 4: process of preparing to return, that that soul can be

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02:14:59,720 --> 02:15:03,320
Speaker 4: can be elevated such that when it comes back, it

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02:15:03,360 --> 02:15:07,560
Speaker 4: can add more value to the community. So these processes

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02:15:07,680 --> 02:15:11,920
Speaker 4: were understood by African people throughout the continent, and that

2182
02:15:12,080 --> 02:15:15,839
Speaker 4: is where our power comes from. So what our presidence

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02:15:15,880 --> 02:15:18,200
Speaker 4: had to do, our colonizers had to do with ours

2184
02:15:18,640 --> 02:15:21,080
Speaker 4: and the slavers had to do, was to erase that

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02:15:21,320 --> 02:15:24,160
Speaker 4: memory and then present it as something that was paying,

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02:15:24,480 --> 02:15:27,480
Speaker 4: something that was anti religious, something that will condemn you

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02:15:27,560 --> 02:15:30,640
Speaker 4: to hell, such that they could disconnect us from the

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02:15:30,680 --> 02:15:35,200
Speaker 4: source of our real power. But for those who understand

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02:15:36,440 --> 02:15:40,680
Speaker 4: how old these traditions are, it gives us an opportunity

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02:15:40,800 --> 02:15:43,920
Speaker 4: to enlighten those who are willing to listen, and that's

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Speaker 4: what we're going to be doing tomorrow with our forty

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Speaker 4: Days sension to Charles Finch. But to answer your last question,

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Speaker 4: what I would say is that when you're talking with children,

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Speaker 4: they're their hosts of children's books out here that talk

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02:15:56,600 --> 02:16:01,280
Speaker 4: about African and African American history and culture. There's several

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02:16:01,320 --> 02:16:07,000
Speaker 4: books wonderfully illustrated by Tom Feelings by Leo and Diane

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02:16:07,040 --> 02:16:11,800
Speaker 4: Dillon that are excellent books to use to introduce our

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Speaker 4: children to Africa, to African and African American literature. You

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Speaker 4: can start there, but it's also good to take adult

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02:16:20,720 --> 02:16:25,800
Speaker 4: books and just break the stories down and have conversations

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02:16:25,840 --> 02:16:30,640
Speaker 4: with children's storytelling our with children and be creative, be imaginative.

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02:16:30,880 --> 02:16:33,200
Speaker 4: You don't think of what the Grim brothers did with

2203
02:16:33,280 --> 02:16:37,959
Speaker 4: Grim fairy tales. They just took stories that reflected aspects

2204
02:16:38,040 --> 02:16:42,160
Speaker 4: of their culture and created myths or stories around them

2205
02:16:42,280 --> 02:16:45,039
Speaker 4: and send them to their children. So we have the

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02:16:45,080 --> 02:16:48,280
Speaker 4: capacity to do the same thing. We have to allow

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02:16:48,320 --> 02:16:52,640
Speaker 4: ourselves the creativity to do it, and you'll see how

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02:16:53,520 --> 02:16:57,720
Speaker 4: transformative that commitment will be in the lives of the

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Speaker 4: children that you're talking about. So I appreciate your question, Melvine.

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks Melvin. Hey, Tony, we got to step

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02:17:04,920 --> 02:17:07,400
Speaker 1: ouside so our stations can identify themselves down the line

2212
02:17:07,400 --> 02:17:10,199
Speaker 1: when we come back, though, tell us about this reincarnation

2213
02:17:10,760 --> 02:17:13,440
Speaker 1: that means that we were here before, and so how

2214
02:17:13,480 --> 02:17:15,240
Speaker 1: do we Is there a way to determine who we

2215
02:17:15,280 --> 02:17:18,000
Speaker 1: work with our souls that everyone listening to us now

2216
02:17:18,040 --> 02:17:21,039
Speaker 1: is here before following your logic? Is there any way

2217
02:17:21,080 --> 02:17:23,480
Speaker 1: to tell where that soul was, where it came from,

2218
02:17:23,520 --> 02:17:25,720
Speaker 1: who sold you we have now? If you can explain

2219
02:17:25,760 --> 02:17:28,000
Speaker 1: to that, I appreciate it. Family, and you two can

2220
02:17:28,040 --> 02:17:31,119
Speaker 1: speak to our guests, and Tony karak Browder reach out

2221
02:17:31,160 --> 02:17:33,040
Speaker 1: to us at eight hundred and four or five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls

2223
02:17:36,120 --> 02:17:38,720
Speaker 1: next and Grant Rising family, thanks for rolling with us

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02:17:38,720 --> 02:17:41,480
Speaker 1: on this Thursday Wednesday morning. Pardon me, I'm ahead of

2225
02:17:41,520 --> 02:17:45,400
Speaker 1: the game here with Tony Karaka Browder. Tony is an

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Speaker 1: author and a chemtologist. Before we left for the break though,

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Speaker 1: Tony was telling us about the fact that our souls

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02:17:51,200 --> 02:17:54,560
Speaker 1: we're sort of reincarnation, if you will, and you've probably

2229
02:17:54,600 --> 02:17:57,600
Speaker 1: heard the old folks say, look at the challenge say

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02:17:57,600 --> 02:18:00,400
Speaker 1: he's an old soul or she's an old soul. Well, Tony,

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02:18:00,480 --> 02:18:02,960
Speaker 1: what happens is, how do we determine whose soul were

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02:18:03,000 --> 02:18:06,760
Speaker 1: we before? Since all of ausden, you know, supposedly living

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02:18:06,800 --> 02:18:09,160
Speaker 1: with somebody soul inside of us, So how do we

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02:18:09,200 --> 02:18:10,640
Speaker 1: determine who that soul was?

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02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:14,080
Speaker 4: Sure? Sure? So let let me just give you a

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02:18:14,160 --> 02:18:19,640
Speaker 4: framework for for my explanation. In the West we call

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02:18:19,720 --> 02:18:23,880
Speaker 4: a reincarnation UH. And the concepts of reincarnation that most

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02:18:23,920 --> 02:18:26,240
Speaker 4: of us are familiar with, our concepts to come out

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02:18:26,240 --> 02:18:29,960
Speaker 4: of out of India, East India, among the Hindu and

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Speaker 4: the Buddhist cultures, UH, their core understanding I was going

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02:18:35,640 --> 02:18:38,120
Speaker 4: to say core belief, but they know this to be true,

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02:18:38,640 --> 02:18:43,039
Speaker 4: that our souls come back into new bodies. So the

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02:18:43,040 --> 02:18:47,199
Speaker 4: word reincarnation means to return into the flesh. The souls

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02:18:47,280 --> 02:18:52,199
Speaker 4: returned into the flesh uh. In Kimi in the Nile Valley,

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02:18:52,879 --> 02:18:57,640
Speaker 4: they had a turn called the Rahimi Messiu Rahimi Messau

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02:18:57,760 --> 02:19:01,320
Speaker 4: the return of the birth, in other words, the process

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02:19:01,640 --> 02:19:05,960
Speaker 4: of a soul being born again in another physical body.

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02:19:06,280 --> 02:19:10,160
Speaker 4: So these concepts are not new, Carl. They are thousands

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Speaker 4: and thousands of years old and they speak to the

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Speaker 4: immortality of the soul and the temperate nature of the body,

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Speaker 4: the flesh. So the body is temporary, it only serves

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02:19:24,240 --> 02:19:27,720
Speaker 4: us for a lifetime and then we return to the earth.

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02:19:28,000 --> 02:19:31,959
Speaker 4: But the soul, which is eternal. The soul is fused

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02:19:32,320 --> 02:19:37,480
Speaker 4: and fueled by the spirit, which gives it the capacity

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Speaker 4: to live and to express itself in a physical world.

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Speaker 4: So there's just understanding that souls come back, and specifically

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02:19:49,560 --> 02:19:54,320
Speaker 4: souls come back along generational lines, and so in Kimic

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02:19:54,520 --> 02:19:58,680
Speaker 4: you will find this idea was expressed where every time

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02:19:58,720 --> 02:20:02,080
Speaker 4: a king a scended to the throne, that king would

2260
02:20:02,120 --> 02:20:05,879
Speaker 4: take on a Herou name, because that king would be

2261
02:20:05,959 --> 02:20:11,200
Speaker 4: considered the re embodiment of the spirit of Herou. And

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02:20:11,240 --> 02:20:14,640
Speaker 4: who was Heru was the son of God. Heru was

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02:20:14,680 --> 02:20:19,240
Speaker 4: the son of the first resurrected Savior in the recorded

2264
02:20:19,360 --> 02:20:23,720
Speaker 4: history of mankind. These are African stories and African concepts.

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Speaker 4: So we also find that in many instances when a

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Speaker 4: king or a so called pharaoh gave birth to a

2267
02:20:30,879 --> 02:20:36,400
Speaker 4: male child, that child was typically named after the king's

2268
02:20:36,480 --> 02:20:41,000
Speaker 4: father and oftentimes not the king himself. Why, because of

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02:20:41,040 --> 02:20:44,480
Speaker 4: their understanding that these souls would come back, they would

2270
02:20:44,480 --> 02:20:47,800
Speaker 4: skip a generation and come back. So this is a

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02:20:47,920 --> 02:20:53,160
Speaker 4: very much a part of East African culture. And I

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Speaker 4: found out just recently that among the Europa there is

2273
02:20:57,280 --> 02:21:05,879
Speaker 4: a similar tradition. Within the Europa, they understand that the

2274
02:21:05,879 --> 02:21:13,360
Speaker 4: return of souls follows uh a genetic family line, and

2275
02:21:13,440 --> 02:21:18,000
Speaker 4: so all the ancestors of one family continue to return

2276
02:21:18,520 --> 02:21:25,640
Speaker 4: along that family line. So there there are UH some

2277
02:21:25,920 --> 02:21:32,280
Speaker 4: urban names UH. I think Babatunde is one which means

2278
02:21:32,320 --> 02:21:37,400
Speaker 4: the return of the father, uh the return of the grandfather,

2279
02:21:37,959 --> 02:21:45,360
Speaker 4: and and so in among the the people in Bikina Fossil,

2280
02:21:45,600 --> 02:21:49,360
Speaker 4: the gard of people in Bikina Fossil. Maladma so Mae

2281
02:21:49,360 --> 02:21:51,760
Speaker 4: has written about this as well as his late wife

2282
02:21:52,040 --> 02:21:54,800
Speaker 4: so both us May. In a book called The Spirit

2283
02:21:54,959 --> 02:21:59,879
Speaker 4: of Intimacy, there is a chapter about the Hearing Rich

2284
02:22:00,760 --> 02:22:04,160
Speaker 4: where when a woman is pregnant, she goes to see

2285
02:22:04,360 --> 02:22:08,840
Speaker 4: a spiritual healer, a spiritual healer to get a reading,

2286
02:22:09,480 --> 02:22:16,520
Speaker 4: and that person then communicates through a process that is

2287
02:22:16,840 --> 02:22:21,800
Speaker 4: a well kept secret, communicates with the soul within the

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02:22:21,840 --> 02:22:25,600
Speaker 4: fetus of the child in the womb to find out

2289
02:22:25,680 --> 02:22:31,480
Speaker 4: which ancestor is returning, and they share that information with

2290
02:22:31,560 --> 02:22:35,400
Speaker 4: the mother and so the mother now knows the sex

2291
02:22:35,560 --> 02:22:39,199
Speaker 4: of that child, they know what to name that child

2292
02:22:39,320 --> 02:22:43,600
Speaker 4: in order to help that returning so continue on its

2293
02:22:43,959 --> 02:22:47,120
Speaker 4: advancement in the physical plane. And then they go one

2294
02:22:47,160 --> 02:22:50,440
Speaker 4: step further where they would take an object that belonged

2295
02:22:50,440 --> 02:22:53,680
Speaker 4: to that ancestor and they would buried at a certain

2296
02:22:53,720 --> 02:22:57,200
Speaker 4: location on their compound. And when that child reaches a

2297
02:22:57,200 --> 02:23:00,480
Speaker 4: certain age, it's part of that child's right of past assets.

2298
02:23:00,879 --> 02:23:05,959
Speaker 4: That child has to find that object, and the onearthing

2299
02:23:06,040 --> 02:23:11,600
Speaker 4: of that object is confirmation of the return of the

2300
02:23:11,720 --> 02:23:15,000
Speaker 4: ancestor in the body of that child. So there were

2301
02:23:15,200 --> 02:23:19,560
Speaker 4: systems in place. There was there were methodologies that had

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02:23:19,560 --> 02:23:25,600
Speaker 4: been passed out for generations to affirm this process. Now

2303
02:23:25,720 --> 02:23:29,480
Speaker 4: think about this with regards to the Bible. You have

2304
02:23:30,120 --> 02:23:36,199
Speaker 4: the genealogy of Abraham and Adam and Eve and Noah,

2305
02:23:36,560 --> 02:23:38,360
Speaker 4: so and so we got so, and so, we got so,

2306
02:23:38,440 --> 02:23:40,000
Speaker 4: and so, we got so, and so, we got so

2307
02:23:40,040 --> 02:23:41,800
Speaker 4: and so, we got so and so. Why do you

2308
02:23:41,840 --> 02:23:46,480
Speaker 4: have that genealogical record to track the souls that you

2309
02:23:46,640 --> 02:23:50,040
Speaker 4: know that are coming back, that are returning along those

2310
02:23:50,040 --> 02:23:53,720
Speaker 4: family lines. So this is not something new. This is

2311
02:23:53,760 --> 02:23:57,320
Speaker 4: something that has been practiced for thousands and thousands of years,

2312
02:23:57,680 --> 02:24:01,279
Speaker 4: but specifically, there was a point in time and history

2313
02:24:01,600 --> 02:24:07,280
Speaker 4: where all references to reincarnation or the rehemi is sioux

2314
02:24:07,879 --> 02:24:13,200
Speaker 4: were written out of religious texts in order to shift

2315
02:24:13,200 --> 02:24:17,199
Speaker 4: the narrative and to convince people that they only lived

2316
02:24:17,240 --> 02:24:19,959
Speaker 4: once they were born in san and that they only

2317
02:24:20,000 --> 02:24:24,080
Speaker 4: lived once and your salvation for eternal life would come

2318
02:24:24,160 --> 02:24:26,840
Speaker 4: by doing X, Y and z, And so we can

2319
02:24:26,879 --> 02:24:31,440
Speaker 4: state specifically the time frame in five fifty a d

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02:24:32,160 --> 02:24:38,800
Speaker 4: was when Justinian, who is the ruler of the Christian

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02:24:38,840 --> 02:24:47,720
Speaker 4: Empire in the East, visiting posed the last temple in Egypt.

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02:24:47,800 --> 02:24:53,880
Speaker 4: It was Theodosius around three fifty who issued Theodosius was

2323
02:24:53,959 --> 02:24:59,560
Speaker 4: another Christian emperor who saw the threat that the ancient

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02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:03,400
Speaker 4: spiritual traditions in Kimmit. He saw the threat that it

2325
02:25:03,520 --> 02:25:08,000
Speaker 4: posed to the new religion known as Christianity, and so

2326
02:25:08,080 --> 02:25:11,360
Speaker 4: he ordered the closing of all of the temples in

2327
02:25:11,440 --> 02:25:14,879
Speaker 4: Kimmit so that people could not read the text and

2328
02:25:15,040 --> 02:25:20,760
Speaker 4: realized that all Christianity was was a poor imitation of

2329
02:25:21,240 --> 02:25:24,840
Speaker 4: ancient African principles that had existed for thousands of years.

2330
02:25:25,080 --> 02:25:28,080
Speaker 4: And so it was Justinian who closed the last temple

2331
02:25:28,280 --> 02:25:32,520
Speaker 4: in in the Temple in Selee in five fifty AD,

2332
02:25:33,160 --> 02:25:36,039
Speaker 4: and so the ability to read metaeta was lost for

2333
02:25:36,080 --> 02:25:42,279
Speaker 4: almost thirteen hundred years. And it was Justinian's wife Theodora

2334
02:25:43,040 --> 02:25:49,959
Speaker 4: who convinced him to remove all references to reincarnation in

2335
02:25:50,000 --> 02:25:54,640
Speaker 4: the Christian Bible. So, prior to five fifty, in the

2336
02:25:54,760 --> 02:25:59,879
Speaker 4: ancient Christian teachings, reincarnation was something that was openly this

2337
02:26:00,200 --> 02:26:03,240
Speaker 4: us that it was banned after five fifty Most people

2338
02:26:03,240 --> 02:26:07,040
Speaker 4: don't know this because we all have been miseducated. And

2339
02:26:07,080 --> 02:26:11,480
Speaker 4: the reason behind miss education is to instill a sense

2340
02:26:11,520 --> 02:26:15,840
Speaker 4: of fear, profound sense of ignorance, so that we can

2341
02:26:15,879 --> 02:26:20,080
Speaker 4: be controlled by a small handful of people who profit

2342
02:26:20,440 --> 02:26:24,120
Speaker 4: from fear and ignorance. And we're witnessing that right now

2343
02:26:24,360 --> 02:26:29,320
Speaker 4: on steroids with this current administration who is using fear, ignorance,

2344
02:26:29,560 --> 02:26:35,600
Speaker 4: and religion as a means to justify the inhumane treatment

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Speaker 4: of American citizens and immigrants, all for the sake of

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Speaker 4: money and power.

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Speaker 1: All right, ten after the tough brother ton help us

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Speaker 1: out now with So we're gonna talk about Tomorrow's is

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Speaker 1: gonna be the forty day ascension celebration for doctor Charles Finch.

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Speaker 1: Since the forty days since his passed, So what happens

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Speaker 1: to his soul after you passed originally? And then what

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Speaker 1: happens you know, do you have to go to the

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Speaker 1: pearly gates as they say that that little story about

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Speaker 1: in Saint Peter, and you rasted, what did you do?

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Speaker 1: And you're judge there is not the case is too is?

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Speaker 1: Our answer is how do they how did they come

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Speaker 1: up with forty days first? Where it can be ten

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Speaker 1: days or twenty days? Explain that to all of us.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well, we'll numbers have profound significance because numbers correspond

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Speaker 4: to certain celestial events that are tied to religious celebrations.

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Speaker 4: Last week we had Lent. We had a fat Tuesday

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Speaker 4: before Lent, forty days are fasting for Christians. We have

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Speaker 4: Ramadan where Muslims fast to strengthen their spiritual resolve. And

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Speaker 4: so Ramadan and Easter are two holy days that are

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Speaker 4: not fixed. They're tied to the moon, the appearance of

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Speaker 4: the new moon, and so Easter, as we know, is

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Speaker 4: a movable feast. East is always the first Sunday after

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Speaker 4: the first full moon after the spring equinox, the first

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Speaker 4: Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox,

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Speaker 4: and so what that means is, in ancient times, people

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Speaker 4: look to the stars, they look to the heavens in

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Speaker 4: order to get guidance on how to conduct their affairs

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Speaker 4: here on planet Earth. And so numbers played a significant

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Speaker 4: role in the happenings of certain events. So, since the

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Speaker 4: majority of the people listening to this program happened to

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Speaker 4: be Christians, let me give you some Christian references for

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Speaker 4: the significance of the number forty. Jesus, there were forty

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Speaker 4: days between Jesus's resurrection and his ascension in heaven. It

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Speaker 4: was forty days that Jesus fasted and had battles with

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Speaker 4: the devil, was tested by the devil. It was said

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Speaker 4: that Moses. Moses spent forty days on Mount Sinai to

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Speaker 4: receive the law of the ten marriage. It was said

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Speaker 4: that Moses lived in the house of the Pharaoh for

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Speaker 4: forty years before he gained the insight to fight for

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Speaker 4: his freedom. It was said that Moses led his people

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Speaker 4: through the wilderness for forty years. Noah, in the Ark,

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Speaker 4: it reigned for forty days and forty nine. So forty

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Speaker 4: is a number that turns up quite a bit within Christianity,

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Speaker 4: forty is a number in that context that represents a foundation,

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Speaker 4: a new beginning. And so when we look at the

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Speaker 4: forty day ritual, what we could say is that that

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Speaker 4: number represents the end of a soul's journey to revaluate

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Speaker 4: their lives. And so what we have in Kimmit is

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Speaker 4: an image that I'm sure many of your listeners have

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Speaker 4: seen or heard about. It's the scene of the weaning

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Speaker 4: of the soul of the deceased. This is an image

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Speaker 4: that is associated with a tradition that is well over

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Speaker 4: eight to ten thousand years old. It preceded Judaism, it

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Speaker 4: preceded Christianity, it preceded is now and so I share

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Speaker 4: this with you because chronology is so important. We have

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Speaker 4: to be able to put things into their correct historical

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Speaker 4: context so that we understand the origins of things. And

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Speaker 4: if we understand the origin of a thing, then all

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02:30:47,920 --> 02:30:49,680
Speaker 4: we have to look at. All we have to do

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Speaker 4: is then look at how people took aspects of an

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Speaker 4: original thing and use it to create their own story. Right,

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Speaker 4: and so we have the sceing. The most important element

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Speaker 4: within the scene of the wing of the soul is

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Speaker 4: where the soul of the person of the deceased. We

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Speaker 4: see him or her dressed in white. And there's a couple.

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Speaker 4: There's two papriacies that wonderfully depict this scene. Is the

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Speaker 4: propriaus of any or the papyrus of whoever. So you

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Speaker 4: see the soul of the person is dressed in white

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02:31:25,040 --> 02:31:28,400
Speaker 4: because white is the color associated with death, and the

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02:31:28,440 --> 02:31:31,080
Speaker 4: person is leading to the hall of the devil Mayot

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Speaker 4: by Impu, who is also known by his Greek name Anubis.

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Speaker 4: And Anubis then is also saying adjusting the balance on

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Speaker 4: the scale so that this person's heart can be weighed.

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Speaker 4: It is the scale of my aart. My represents the

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Speaker 4: principles of truth, justice, righteousness, balance, harmony, order of reciprocity.

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Speaker 4: My aunt is a female representation of creation.

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Speaker 6: My ad is.

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Speaker 4: Once you really understand the story and the symbolism behind

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Speaker 4: the story, my aunt is the grandmother of God. Let

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Speaker 4: me repeat that, once you understand the simbolism behind these stories,

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02:32:13,600 --> 02:32:16,520
Speaker 4: you will see that my aunt, which is the very

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Speaker 4: first depiction of a person with wings what we now

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Speaker 4: call an angel, my aunt is the mother of the

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02:32:25,360 --> 02:32:30,119
Speaker 4: spiritual being that we call God. Now I can take

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02:32:30,160 --> 02:32:32,920
Speaker 4: you to Egypt and I can show you this representation

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02:32:33,080 --> 02:32:35,360
Speaker 4: so that you see I'm not just talking out of

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Speaker 4: my head. I can document everything that I say, and

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02:32:39,240 --> 02:32:42,120
Speaker 4: I only talk about what I know, and I reference

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02:32:42,160 --> 02:32:46,119
Speaker 4: my facts so that you can check it out for yourself.

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Speaker 4: So my heart is the principles of my are the

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02:32:50,959 --> 02:32:54,320
Speaker 4: principles that every person has to live up to throughout

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02:32:54,320 --> 02:32:58,480
Speaker 4: their lives. So this was information that was in bred

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02:32:58,680 --> 02:33:01,039
Speaker 4: in people from the womb to the tomb. And so

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02:33:01,200 --> 02:33:03,600
Speaker 4: because every person who lived knew that they were going

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Speaker 4: to die, and they knew that on the day of judgment,

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02:33:06,440 --> 02:33:09,920
Speaker 4: they had to have their heart, which represented the seat

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02:33:10,040 --> 02:33:13,080
Speaker 4: of the soul, had to be weighed opposite the feather

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02:33:13,120 --> 02:33:16,720
Speaker 4: of my eye on the scale of my od, where

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Speaker 4: the heart of the id is on the left side

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02:33:19,840 --> 02:33:21,920
Speaker 4: of the balance and the feather of May is on

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Speaker 4: the right side. So during this scene of the wing

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Speaker 4: of the soul, one had to declare your innocence by

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Speaker 4: reciting the forty two declarations of innocence. I have not stolen,

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Speaker 4: I've not arrived, I've not defrauded offerings. I've not committed murder,

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02:33:36,480 --> 02:33:39,279
Speaker 4: not committed adultery. I've not polluted myself. I've not polluted

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Speaker 4: to land, I've not spoken ill of God. It is

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Speaker 4: from the forty two declarations of innocence that Hebrews and

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02:33:47,000 --> 02:33:56,039
Speaker 4: Christians evolved the Ten Commandments. So there's thirty two declarations

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Speaker 4: of innocence there were left out of the tank commandments

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Speaker 4: and as a profound difference between the declaration of businesses

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Speaker 4: and a commandment. So when a soul recites to forty

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Speaker 4: two declarations of businesses, and if this declaration is true,

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Speaker 4: if the person has lived up to all of the

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Speaker 4: things that they have declared, they have as they stand

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Speaker 4: before God and all of the agels. I hear the

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Speaker 4: commercial break coming over.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, yeah, I'll let you finish that, because

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Speaker 1: this is the important part right here. This is the

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Speaker 1: meat on the bones family seventeen after the top day

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Speaker 1: out with Tony Karaka Browner, and you had some questions

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Speaker 1: about that transition, reach out to us at eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll

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Speaker 1: take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks

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Speaker 1: for staying with us on this Wednesday morning with our guest,

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02:34:46,480 --> 02:34:49,400
Speaker 1: the Tony Karak Browder and the brother Tony's given us

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Speaker 1: a preview of tomorrow's forty day Ascension celebration for doctor

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Speaker 1: Charles Finch, and we explained why the forty days, and

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Speaker 1: now we're the day of reckoning. So brother Tony, i'lllet

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Speaker 1: you finish that, sure.

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Speaker 4: So to recap what I was saying about, the most

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02:35:05,280 --> 02:35:08,440
Speaker 4: important scene in a person's incarnation, the waning of the

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Speaker 4: soul where they have to declare their innocence to God

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02:35:14,959 --> 02:35:18,720
Speaker 4: and the Netru and the various manifestations or representatives of

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Speaker 4: the Creator who are witnessing this event. This testimonial profound testimonial.

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Speaker 4: And so if the person has lived a righteous life

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02:35:30,000 --> 02:35:34,320
Speaker 4: and is telling the truth at this very important scene

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Speaker 4: in their life, then the scales balance out. And it

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02:35:38,800 --> 02:35:42,160
Speaker 4: was said that the heart is as light as a feather.

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Speaker 4: This is where that concept comes from. We've heard that

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Speaker 4: term before, but most people never knew the origins of

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02:35:49,160 --> 02:35:53,000
Speaker 4: this term. It refers to an ancient African spiritual tradition

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Speaker 4: that refers to the evaluation of the soul of the deceased.

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02:35:59,000 --> 02:36:02,920
Speaker 4: And all of these activities are recorded in the Book

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Speaker 4: of Judgment by Jihuti. So earlier, Carl, you may reference

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Speaker 4: to Peter at the Pearly Gates with his book to

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02:36:09,520 --> 02:36:12,360
Speaker 4: see who's been naughty and nice and all that. Well,

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02:36:12,600 --> 02:36:15,760
Speaker 4: all of these concepts began in the Nile Valley with

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Speaker 4: African people whose personalities were changed by Europeans to European people.

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Speaker 4: And then once the person has been declared my Hereu

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02:36:29,280 --> 02:36:33,400
Speaker 4: or true a voice, they have lived a righteous life

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02:36:33,640 --> 02:36:38,000
Speaker 4: and it's been validated by the creative spirit itself. Then

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Speaker 4: that person, that vindicated person, the soul, that vindicated person

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Speaker 4: is led by Herou, the son of the resurrected God.

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Speaker 4: Heru then takes that person by the hand and walks

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Speaker 4: that person to his father Asar, who is seated on

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Speaker 4: the throne of judgment. And it is that scene that

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Speaker 4: is is in it in the Bible. I think it's

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Speaker 4: John fourteen six. No one comes to the Father except

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Speaker 4: through me, and we see a Sar sitting on the

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Speaker 4: throne of judgment who receives this vindicated soul and then

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02:37:14,640 --> 02:37:19,119
Speaker 4: allows this person to rest in the ancestor realm as

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02:37:19,160 --> 02:37:22,840
Speaker 4: they now prepare for their next incarnation, and the cycle

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Speaker 4: starts again. So it's so critically important for our people

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02:37:27,720 --> 02:37:34,400
Speaker 4: to understand where these concepts first began. The first concept

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02:37:34,440 --> 02:37:38,120
Speaker 4: of God, the first concept of salvation, the first concept

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02:37:38,200 --> 02:37:41,760
Speaker 4: of a soul, the first concept of declarations of innicus,

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02:37:41,920 --> 02:37:46,080
Speaker 4: the first concepts of the son of God. All of

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02:37:46,120 --> 02:37:50,160
Speaker 4: these concepts are African concepts that develop in the Nile

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02:37:50,320 --> 02:37:57,000
Speaker 4: Valley in cush in Ethiopia before they emerge in Chemic

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02:37:57,200 --> 02:38:00,879
Speaker 4: or Egypt. So we got to go back into to

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02:38:00,959 --> 02:38:04,200
Speaker 4: really understand the genius and the greatness of who we

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02:38:04,240 --> 02:38:07,880
Speaker 4: are as a people. And then it was later, thousands

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02:38:07,920 --> 02:38:13,000
Speaker 4: of years later, the strangers came into Kimmic to study

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02:38:13,560 --> 02:38:17,120
Speaker 4: the greatness that African people had developed. And while they

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02:38:17,160 --> 02:38:20,520
Speaker 4: were there in k they saw these spiritual traditions, did

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02:38:20,560 --> 02:38:24,240
Speaker 4: not understand them fully, but they saw that there was

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02:38:24,240 --> 02:38:27,520
Speaker 4: some power there, and they took a piece of the

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02:38:27,560 --> 02:38:32,600
Speaker 4: spiritual tradition and went back to their homeland and created Judaism.

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02:38:32,879 --> 02:38:36,560
Speaker 4: Others came in and took another piece of these spiritual

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02:38:36,560 --> 02:38:40,960
Speaker 4: traditions and created Christianity. Others came in and took another

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02:38:41,120 --> 02:38:47,600
Speaker 4: piece and created Islam. And any person who is going

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02:38:47,720 --> 02:38:52,200
Speaker 4: to a theological institution who studies the history of religion

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02:38:52,720 --> 02:38:56,320
Speaker 4: will be taught this information. So I'm not sharing anything

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02:38:56,800 --> 02:38:59,640
Speaker 4: that is new, I'm not sharing anything that is forbidden.

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02:39:00,000 --> 02:39:02,520
Speaker 4: The information is out there. One just has to have

2531
02:39:02,680 --> 02:39:05,320
Speaker 4: a willingness to seek it out. And so the other

2532
02:39:05,400 --> 02:39:08,480
Speaker 4: part of the story that's important for what we're going

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02:39:08,520 --> 02:39:13,000
Speaker 4: to be doing tomorrow to commemorate the ascension of the

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Speaker 4: soul of Charles Sence into ancestorhood, is that it's centers

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02:39:17,640 --> 02:39:20,520
Speaker 4: around the story of a Sar. As I said, the

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02:39:20,560 --> 02:39:23,360
Speaker 4: person declares their innocence and has led to a sar

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02:39:23,440 --> 02:39:25,959
Speaker 4: who is sitting on the throne of judgment us. The

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Speaker 4: story of a Sarro is the first story in recorded history.

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02:39:29,480 --> 02:39:32,920
Speaker 4: It's a story that evolved out of myths, and all

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02:39:33,120 --> 02:39:37,920
Speaker 4: religions evolved out of myths. I was talking with Bob

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02:39:37,959 --> 02:39:41,320
Speaker 4: earlier about the power of myth and how they shape

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02:39:41,320 --> 02:39:44,120
Speaker 4: and influence our lives. So the story of a Sar

2543
02:39:44,360 --> 02:39:48,040
Speaker 4: is the first story of a person who died and

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02:39:48,160 --> 02:39:52,200
Speaker 4: who was resurrected. It is the prototype for the story

2545
02:39:52,240 --> 02:39:57,600
Speaker 4: of Jesus. And this story is the foundational story of Chemic.

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02:39:58,920 --> 02:40:02,760
Speaker 4: We now know that it originated. It was brought into

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02:40:02,800 --> 02:40:07,840
Speaker 4: Kmmics from cush and as highly Guarima shared with me

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02:40:09,040 --> 02:40:13,200
Speaker 4: well over fifteen years or so ago, that story actually

2549
02:40:13,240 --> 02:40:17,520
Speaker 4: originated in Ethiopia. And so what we have within this story,

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02:40:17,560 --> 02:40:22,440
Speaker 4: within this mythology is a person who united two lands,

2551
02:40:22,560 --> 02:40:27,400
Speaker 4: was the first, created the first nation state, and lifted

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02:40:27,440 --> 02:40:30,760
Speaker 4: the consciousness of African people out of darkness, gave them

2553
02:40:30,800 --> 02:40:35,640
Speaker 4: spiritual traditions which devolved into religion, gave them the capacity

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02:40:35,680 --> 02:40:39,360
Speaker 4: to read, to write, and reason, and then organized the

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02:40:39,440 --> 02:40:43,480
Speaker 4: first nation state, and which led to the development of

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02:40:43,600 --> 02:40:47,760
Speaker 4: civil servants who helped to maintain that state, that nation.

2557
02:40:48,200 --> 02:40:51,640
Speaker 4: All of these are African creations that began first in

2558
02:40:51,680 --> 02:40:54,600
Speaker 4: the Nile Valley, and so everyone who was born in

2559
02:40:54,600 --> 02:40:59,800
Speaker 4: this environment was taught that your presence here is a

2560
02:41:00,080 --> 02:41:04,640
Speaker 4: continuation of the lives that you lived before, and that

2561
02:41:04,720 --> 02:41:09,000
Speaker 4: they were taught my aunt the value the importance of

2562
02:41:09,200 --> 02:41:13,800
Speaker 4: living in harmony with your environment, the air, the water,

2563
02:41:13,840 --> 02:41:16,000
Speaker 4: and the earth. You would talk to respect the earth

2564
02:41:16,080 --> 02:41:18,400
Speaker 4: and not to pollute it. You would take to respect

2565
02:41:18,440 --> 02:41:23,080
Speaker 4: other human beings who are also spiritual beings having a

2566
02:41:23,200 --> 02:41:29,119
Speaker 4: human experience. So there was this interconnectedness between everything, and

2567
02:41:29,160 --> 02:41:33,760
Speaker 4: that's what made Temmit the light of the world. That's

2568
02:41:33,800 --> 02:41:39,320
Speaker 4: what allowed these people to develop this systems of government

2569
02:41:39,400 --> 02:41:43,280
Speaker 4: and science and law and education that made them the

2570
02:41:43,440 --> 02:41:49,119
Speaker 4: envy of the world, which prompted people who lacked this

2571
02:41:49,240 --> 02:41:54,959
Speaker 4: level of intellectual development to travel there to learn sciences

2572
02:41:55,080 --> 02:41:58,959
Speaker 4: and philosophy and medicine and history and culture. So the

2573
02:41:59,000 --> 02:42:04,320
Speaker 4: story of us was murdered and dismembered, his wife a

2574
02:42:04,440 --> 02:42:08,640
Speaker 4: set spent seventy days searching for the pieces of her

2575
02:42:08,720 --> 02:42:13,800
Speaker 4: husband's body, finding the pieces, and then reassembling or remembering

2576
02:42:13,840 --> 02:42:17,280
Speaker 4: her husband and wrapping his body in bantages, thus creating

2577
02:42:17,320 --> 02:42:21,840
Speaker 4: the first mummy in history. And it took her seventy

2578
02:42:21,920 --> 02:42:24,440
Speaker 4: days to do all of this before she was able

2579
02:42:24,440 --> 02:42:28,520
Speaker 4: to bury her husband. So seventy days became the time

2580
02:42:28,600 --> 02:42:32,400
Speaker 4: frame for the process of mummification and kimm it for

2581
02:42:32,480 --> 02:42:38,280
Speaker 4: over three thousand years, and a crucial part of that

2582
02:42:38,360 --> 02:42:43,040
Speaker 4: person's journey was the last forty days when they reviewed

2583
02:42:43,080 --> 02:42:46,520
Speaker 4: their life, and then on that fortieth day where they

2584
02:42:46,720 --> 02:42:49,400
Speaker 4: went their soul went into the Hall of mob where

2585
02:42:49,400 --> 02:42:52,000
Speaker 4: they were found true of voice, and it was only

2586
02:42:52,320 --> 02:42:57,000
Speaker 4: after that that they would officially become an ancestor and

2587
02:42:57,120 --> 02:43:01,640
Speaker 4: libations could be poured for them. So Tomorrow, February the

2588
02:43:01,879 --> 02:43:05,680
Speaker 4: twenty sixth is the fortieth day since the passing of

2589
02:43:05,800 --> 02:43:12,200
Speaker 4: Charles Sumner. Since on January seventeenth, between twenty sixth and

2590
02:43:12,320 --> 02:43:16,359
Speaker 4: the day that he is ascended and becomes an ancestor

2591
02:43:17,040 --> 02:43:23,039
Speaker 4: is the day after his seventy eighth birthday. So today

2592
02:43:23,120 --> 02:43:26,760
Speaker 4: is the seventy eighth birthday of Charles since and tomorrow

2593
02:43:26,840 --> 02:43:30,959
Speaker 4: he will be born again as an ancestor. And so

2594
02:43:31,040 --> 02:43:32,879
Speaker 4: the ceremony that we're going to be doing at the

2595
02:43:32,879 --> 02:43:37,080
Speaker 4: Third and Marshall Center at six o'clock tomorrow is a

2596
02:43:37,120 --> 02:43:41,080
Speaker 4: ceremony where a number of people of different faiths and

2597
02:43:41,120 --> 02:43:46,480
Speaker 4: different practices. We got Viacan Yuruba, we have Christians who

2598
02:43:46,520 --> 02:43:50,000
Speaker 4: are all participating in this ceremony to show the spiritual

2599
02:43:50,120 --> 02:43:55,119
Speaker 4: unity of African people who will regained their consciousness. It

2600
02:43:55,240 --> 02:43:59,600
Speaker 4: really doesn't matter for God you pay to as long

2601
02:43:59,640 --> 02:44:05,200
Speaker 4: as you are understand that the power behind prayer and

2602
02:44:05,240 --> 02:44:08,600
Speaker 4: the power of acknowledging it force far greater than yourself,

2603
02:44:09,000 --> 02:44:12,560
Speaker 4: and your capacity and desire to do good for other people,

2604
02:44:12,640 --> 02:44:15,800
Speaker 4: to good do good for mankind, to respect the environment.

2605
02:44:16,120 --> 02:44:18,720
Speaker 4: That's really what this process is all about. So we

2606
02:44:18,840 --> 02:44:24,039
Speaker 4: will be live streaming this event tomorrow. Call and our

2607
02:44:24,120 --> 02:44:28,480
Speaker 4: posts on my Facebook page where people can get the

2608
02:44:28,520 --> 02:44:30,880
Speaker 4: link to do that, and I sent you that link

2609
02:44:30,920 --> 02:44:32,960
Speaker 4: as well, so you can post it as well, so

2610
02:44:33,000 --> 02:44:37,760
Speaker 4: that people who want to witness this event can do so.

2611
02:44:38,120 --> 02:44:41,720
Speaker 4: We've done this many times. We've done it for Fastest

2612
02:44:41,720 --> 02:44:45,520
Speaker 4: Press Welson, We've done it for Renoko Rashidi. We've done

2613
02:44:45,560 --> 02:44:49,640
Speaker 4: it for Patricia Newton and other of our chiros and

2614
02:44:49,680 --> 02:44:52,160
Speaker 4: heroes in the DC community. This is something that we

2615
02:44:52,200 --> 02:44:57,400
Speaker 4: are obligated to do because this renews our connection with

2616
02:44:57,680 --> 02:45:02,199
Speaker 4: souls that as living beings, meant the world to us.

2617
02:45:02,440 --> 02:45:06,520
Speaker 4: And as long as we honor, remember, and honor our ancestors,

2618
02:45:07,040 --> 02:45:12,600
Speaker 4: we make them accessible to us. And everything that any

2619
02:45:12,640 --> 02:45:16,959
Speaker 4: person does, they do, anything that they do of greatness,

2620
02:45:17,480 --> 02:45:22,720
Speaker 4: is done via a source of inspiration. Inspiration having been

2621
02:45:22,959 --> 02:45:28,960
Speaker 4: inspirited by the soul of an ancestor who gives you

2622
02:45:29,000 --> 02:45:32,959
Speaker 4: the courage, gives you the idea, gives you the creativity

2623
02:45:33,760 --> 02:45:37,320
Speaker 4: to bring something out of the spiritual realm and be

2624
02:45:37,360 --> 02:45:42,480
Speaker 4: able to express it in the physical domain. That's who

2625
02:45:42,480 --> 02:45:47,960
Speaker 4: we are as spiritual beings having a human experience. That's

2626
02:45:48,040 --> 02:45:51,680
Speaker 4: what the earthly pain is for. And for those people

2627
02:45:51,720 --> 02:45:55,360
Speaker 4: who know that and who understand that, it gives them

2628
02:45:55,400 --> 02:45:59,200
Speaker 4: an opportunity to be able to bring the best of

2629
02:45:59,680 --> 02:46:02,840
Speaker 4: the ancient times into the present moment so that we

2630
02:46:02,879 --> 02:46:07,040
Speaker 4: can build a future that they and we will ultimately inherit.

2631
02:46:07,280 --> 02:46:10,959
Speaker 4: So it's a process that ties all the ends together.

2632
02:46:11,360 --> 02:46:15,240
Speaker 4: It makes the circle complete and gives people something to

2633
02:46:15,360 --> 02:46:18,920
Speaker 4: live for because you know, you understand that you're going

2634
02:46:19,000 --> 02:46:19,760
Speaker 4: to live again.

2635
02:46:20,760 --> 02:46:22,520
Speaker 1: All right, hold that thought right there, brother Tony. I

2636
02:46:22,520 --> 02:46:24,000
Speaker 1: got a bunch of folks who want to talk to you,

2637
02:46:24,520 --> 02:46:26,920
Speaker 1: uh twenty eight away from the top day. I always

2638
02:46:26,920 --> 02:46:29,720
Speaker 1: start with brother g DC's on line five grand rising.

2639
02:46:29,800 --> 02:46:34,280
Speaker 1: Brother g. Your question for Tony Browner, Yes, the.

2640
02:46:34,360 --> 02:46:37,600
Speaker 12: Brown for your years studying Kimmen and in study the

2641
02:46:37,680 --> 02:46:42,640
Speaker 12: Medina tur the second Rioting or the uh Baker text.

2642
02:46:43,160 --> 02:46:46,160
Speaker 12: Is there anything in the medan the tour that predicts

2643
02:46:46,320 --> 02:46:49,440
Speaker 12: our four hundred years sojourn in this country or I

2644
02:46:49,600 --> 02:46:54,039
Speaker 12: offer that's the first question. The second question is what

2645
02:46:54,320 --> 02:46:58,440
Speaker 12: books you suggest people read that translate.

2646
02:46:57,920 --> 02:47:00,320
Speaker 6: The Medinatur in book form for us to read.

2647
02:47:02,920 --> 02:47:07,080
Speaker 4: Okay, two good questions. My line of Kringer was on

2648
02:47:07,560 --> 02:47:12,720
Speaker 4: Carl Show recently and he referred he's done some incredible

2649
02:47:12,760 --> 02:47:15,880
Speaker 4: scholarly work, so I will refer you to his work.

2650
02:47:16,120 --> 02:47:19,320
Speaker 4: I would also refer you to the work of Tea

2651
02:47:19,360 --> 02:47:23,760
Speaker 4: Philo Binga African philosophy, the Pyonic period that is an

2652
02:47:23,800 --> 02:47:26,879
Speaker 4: excellent work. I understand that doctor Abinga has a new

2653
02:47:26,879 --> 02:47:30,879
Speaker 4: publication coming out, and hopefully that book will be printed

2654
02:47:30,879 --> 02:47:33,320
Speaker 4: in English so that we can do a deeper dive

2655
02:47:33,600 --> 02:47:38,959
Speaker 4: into into our history. And I'm now our valley history.

2656
02:47:40,160 --> 02:47:43,080
Speaker 4: So those are the references that I would suggest. And

2657
02:47:43,360 --> 02:47:46,680
Speaker 4: I forgot your first question. Reseat your first question, please,

2658
02:47:48,160 --> 02:47:52,160
Speaker 4: I think he hung up. I'm sorry I didn't. I

2659
02:47:52,160 --> 02:47:53,800
Speaker 4: didn't jot it down. I forget.

2660
02:47:53,879 --> 02:47:56,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's move on there, because we've got

2661
02:47:56,680 --> 02:47:58,959
Speaker 1: a bunch of folks got questions for you, brother Tony,

2662
02:47:59,720 --> 02:48:03,280
Speaker 1: and and also brother give. If you call back and

2663
02:48:03,320 --> 02:48:06,440
Speaker 1: give it the question to Kevin, will we get Tony

2664
02:48:06,480 --> 02:48:09,279
Speaker 1: answered for you. Billa Callis is calling from Waldorf, Maryland

2665
02:48:09,360 --> 02:48:11,200
Speaker 1: on line too, though at twenty six away from the

2666
02:48:11,240 --> 02:48:14,039
Speaker 1: top of the hour, Brill carlis your question for Tony Browner?

2667
02:48:15,200 --> 02:48:19,440
Speaker 13: Yeah, grand rising out there. Brother, you have put forth

2668
02:48:19,520 --> 02:48:23,320
Speaker 13: a ton of information that is most valuable to our community.

2669
02:48:24,920 --> 02:48:28,720
Speaker 13: I wanted to just to make an additional comment and

2670
02:48:29,720 --> 02:48:33,640
Speaker 13: reference to the the embrace of the Greeks and the

2671
02:48:33,680 --> 02:48:39,560
Speaker 13: Greek mythology, and it's sort of a Stockholm syndrome without

2672
02:48:39,800 --> 02:48:44,959
Speaker 13: within some of our community. According to Sigmund Freud in

2673
02:48:45,000 --> 02:48:53,160
Speaker 13: his book UH Moses at Mono Mono the Theism Uh,

2674
02:48:53,640 --> 02:48:57,760
Speaker 13: the Greeks were responsible in some measure for the creation

2675
02:48:57,920 --> 02:49:03,440
Speaker 13: of racism to what they call follow genetics. And I

2676
02:49:03,480 --> 02:49:07,560
Speaker 13: wanted to find out if you have done any study

2677
02:49:07,600 --> 02:49:11,480
Speaker 13: in that regard. And we know they destroyed all the

2678
02:49:12,280 --> 02:49:15,640
Speaker 13: knowledge that they couldn't steal from us and so forth.

2679
02:49:15,760 --> 02:49:19,879
Speaker 13: So UH that that is my comment, my dear brother,

2680
02:49:19,920 --> 02:49:21,400
Speaker 13: and I appreciate you, Thank.

2681
02:49:21,200 --> 02:49:24,520
Speaker 4: You all right, thank you, Carlos, and I appreciate you

2682
02:49:24,600 --> 02:49:30,720
Speaker 4: calling in to Carl's show UH frequently and asking good questions.

2683
02:49:32,400 --> 02:49:34,879
Speaker 4: A couple of things, Moses and Monotheism was written by

2684
02:49:34,920 --> 02:49:38,040
Speaker 4: Sigma Freud Uh the signat Floud when he wrote that book,

2685
02:49:38,560 --> 02:49:41,600
Speaker 4: insisted that it only be published after his death because

2686
02:49:41,640 --> 02:49:44,600
Speaker 4: he knew he would catch here. And what Sigma Freud

2687
02:49:44,680 --> 02:49:52,280
Speaker 4: did was to acknowledge the African origins of Moses, that

2688
02:49:52,320 --> 02:49:55,680
Speaker 4: Moses was an Egyptian and that the story was based

2689
02:49:55,760 --> 02:49:58,560
Speaker 4: on myth. But Freud, being the Jew that he was,

2690
02:49:58,959 --> 02:50:01,480
Speaker 4: knew that he would get into trouble by some people

2691
02:50:02,200 --> 02:50:04,760
Speaker 4: from some people in this community for revealing this is

2692
02:50:04,879 --> 02:50:08,440
Speaker 4: soorical truth. And we should also understand about signa Freud

2693
02:50:08,560 --> 02:50:12,560
Speaker 4: was that signal Freud had a profound interest in comedic

2694
02:50:12,680 --> 02:50:18,279
Speaker 4: history and culture and mythology. There are several famous photographs

2695
02:50:18,280 --> 02:50:23,440
Speaker 4: of Freud's desk in his office, and he's got chemetic symbols,

2696
02:50:23,440 --> 02:50:27,840
Speaker 4: comedic meturu asarrow set Herou on his desk. He's got

2697
02:50:27,879 --> 02:50:33,120
Speaker 4: a painting, a lithographic print of Abu Simbel above the

2698
02:50:34,360 --> 02:50:36,720
Speaker 4: so forth where he would have his patients lie down

2699
02:50:36,840 --> 02:50:40,120
Speaker 4: so that he could diagnose their illnesses. So Freud was

2700
02:50:40,240 --> 02:50:44,600
Speaker 4: steeked into the teachings that I'm sharing with you all today.

2701
02:50:44,600 --> 02:50:48,680
Speaker 4: So this is not new information. And there is a

2702
02:50:48,800 --> 02:50:53,800
Speaker 4: Jewish attorney and egyptologist, his name Escasely right now. He

2703
02:50:53,879 --> 02:50:58,400
Speaker 4: wrote one hundred and one Myths of the Bible, and

2704
02:50:58,480 --> 02:51:02,600
Speaker 4: he's done an excellent job at advancing the work of

2705
02:51:03,280 --> 02:51:08,440
Speaker 4: of Freud with Moses and Monotheism. Now, the other question

2706
02:51:09,040 --> 02:51:11,640
Speaker 4: was about the Greeks, And just let me just say

2707
02:51:11,640 --> 02:51:17,040
Speaker 4: this to clarify a couple of things. If if you

2708
02:51:17,160 --> 02:51:21,440
Speaker 4: really read what the Greeks said about Kimmit, the Greeks

2709
02:51:21,480 --> 02:51:29,119
Speaker 4: openly acknowledged the African origins of religion, the Askan origins

2710
02:51:29,400 --> 02:51:32,720
Speaker 4: of speech, the Askan origins of the gods the Greek said.

2711
02:51:32,800 --> 02:51:34,680
Speaker 4: Homer said, all of the gods the Greek said to

2712
02:51:34,720 --> 02:51:37,240
Speaker 4: return to Ethiopia once a year to renew their powers.

2713
02:51:37,280 --> 02:51:40,000
Speaker 4: It needs to become mortal. So the Greeks were very

2714
02:51:40,160 --> 02:51:43,640
Speaker 4: open about their coming to Kimmit to sit at the

2715
02:51:43,720 --> 02:51:48,199
Speaker 4: seat of African masters. They acknowledged this. It was only

2716
02:51:48,320 --> 02:51:52,640
Speaker 4: during the eighteenth, seventeenth and eighteenth and nineteenth century, excuse me,

2717
02:51:53,120 --> 02:51:58,600
Speaker 4: when racist European scholars decided to use Greco Roman history

2718
02:51:58,600 --> 02:52:02,360
Speaker 4: and culture as a means to promote this false construct

2719
02:52:02,680 --> 02:52:03,760
Speaker 4: of white supremacy.

2720
02:52:04,200 --> 02:52:05,800
Speaker 1: And all I thought, right there, brother Tony, we got

2721
02:52:05,840 --> 02:52:07,600
Speaker 1: to step aside for a few moments. I'll let you

2722
02:52:07,840 --> 02:52:10,040
Speaker 1: finish on the other side, twenty two away from the top,

2723
02:52:10,080 --> 02:52:12,640
Speaker 1: aur faunily with our guests that Tony Karak Brouter got

2724
02:52:12,640 --> 02:52:14,280
Speaker 1: a question for him. Reach out to us at eight

2725
02:52:14,360 --> 02:52:17,720
Speaker 1: hundred for five zero seventy eight seventy six and will

2726
02:52:17,760 --> 02:52:20,480
Speaker 1: take a phone calls next and grand Rising family, thanks

2727
02:52:20,520 --> 02:52:22,760
Speaker 1: for rolling with us on this Wednesday morning at seventeen

2728
02:52:22,760 --> 02:52:24,600
Speaker 1: away from the top. They I with, I guess Tony

2729
02:52:24,680 --> 02:52:27,959
Speaker 1: Karak Browder, Tony, i'm'na let you finish up. Responding to

2730
02:52:28,080 --> 02:52:30,600
Speaker 1: Brother Caus's question, also brother g Callback, and I have

2731
02:52:30,680 --> 02:52:32,960
Speaker 1: this question for you as well.

2732
02:52:33,120 --> 02:52:37,320
Speaker 4: Okay, good Well. To finish up with Carlos, I would

2733
02:52:37,400 --> 02:52:42,560
Speaker 4: recommend a book written by Frank Snowden, professor at Howard University.

2734
02:52:42,920 --> 02:52:47,080
Speaker 4: Book is titled Before Color Prejudice and what it does

2735
02:52:47,320 --> 02:52:50,560
Speaker 4: is to look at Greek history and its book is

2736
02:52:50,600 --> 02:52:54,959
Speaker 4: a classic. It looks at Greek history and talks about

2737
02:52:54,959 --> 02:52:58,280
Speaker 4: the role of black people in Greek history. So, the

2738
02:52:58,360 --> 02:53:02,240
Speaker 4: Greece had been given a bad name primarily because of

2739
02:53:03,440 --> 02:53:07,720
Speaker 4: seventeenth and eighteenth century white racists from Germany and France

2740
02:53:07,800 --> 02:53:12,240
Speaker 4: and England who propagated this myth of white superiority, and

2741
02:53:12,320 --> 02:53:16,000
Speaker 4: they focused on reco Roman culture and civilization as the

2742
02:53:16,080 --> 02:53:19,840
Speaker 4: beginning of the rise of the superior people. But the

2743
02:53:19,879 --> 02:53:25,080
Speaker 4: Greeks themselves did not lay plain to all of the

2744
02:53:25,160 --> 02:53:28,040
Speaker 4: things that have been attributed to them by people who

2745
02:53:28,160 --> 02:53:33,040
Speaker 4: lived centuries or millennia later. And the Greeks, like any

2746
02:53:33,120 --> 02:53:38,000
Speaker 4: other people, believed in nationalism befinding Kimmit. The people of

2747
02:53:38,080 --> 02:53:43,360
Speaker 4: Kimmitt believed the Kimmot was God's land, the beloved land,

2748
02:53:43,400 --> 02:53:47,480
Speaker 4: and that out the area outside of Kimmic was isspect

2749
02:53:47,560 --> 02:53:51,600
Speaker 4: the area of the region of confusion and evil and disorder.

2750
02:53:52,080 --> 02:53:55,200
Speaker 4: So they understood that my eye existed within Kimmit, which

2751
02:53:55,200 --> 02:53:58,760
Speaker 4: is why they fought so hard to keep foreigners and

2752
02:53:58,800 --> 02:54:03,600
Speaker 4: barbarians out. So they had an insulent society. And it's

2753
02:54:03,680 --> 02:54:07,080
Speaker 4: kind of common practice for people to believe that their home,

2754
02:54:07,480 --> 02:54:11,080
Speaker 4: their community, their team, is the best team. But it's

2755
02:54:11,120 --> 02:54:17,240
Speaker 4: only later when people distort those natural tendencies. And I

2756
02:54:17,400 --> 02:54:21,000
Speaker 4: used them as a means of suppressing other people. So

2757
02:54:21,040 --> 02:54:23,320
Speaker 4: so Carl, what was Jeez's first question?

2758
02:54:24,520 --> 02:54:26,879
Speaker 1: He says, is there anything in the sacred writings that

2759
02:54:26,959 --> 02:54:30,560
Speaker 1: predicted the my offa and a four hundred years sojourn?

2760
02:54:31,840 --> 02:54:36,320
Speaker 4: Sure, Now, I have not found anything that addresses that

2761
02:54:36,440 --> 02:54:42,400
Speaker 4: issue specifically, but I did find I did find something

2762
02:54:43,959 --> 02:54:49,240
Speaker 4: that suggests that these priests and Kimmit, particularly priests of

2763
02:54:49,320 --> 02:54:53,200
Speaker 4: the twenty fifth dynasty, who studied the past, and through

2764
02:54:53,240 --> 02:54:56,160
Speaker 4: the study of the past, that gave them the capacity

2765
02:54:56,320 --> 02:54:59,320
Speaker 4: to foresee or to predict what is going to be

2766
02:54:59,320 --> 02:55:02,400
Speaker 4: happening in the few And because the twenty fifth dynasty

2767
02:55:03,000 --> 02:55:05,879
Speaker 4: was all about reclaiming the land of their ancestors and

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02:55:05,920 --> 02:55:09,520
Speaker 4: protecting it from foreigners and they ultimately failed because of

2769
02:55:09,640 --> 02:55:14,920
Speaker 4: foreign invasion. They saw the fall, and there are a

2770
02:55:14,959 --> 02:55:18,360
Speaker 4: couple of tunes that I have witnessed. I've been fortunate

2771
02:55:18,440 --> 02:55:21,560
Speaker 4: to have seen in Egypt tunes. These are tones that

2772
02:55:21,640 --> 02:55:25,000
Speaker 4: will never be open to the public. And these tombs

2773
02:55:25,160 --> 02:55:30,800
Speaker 4: contain the sacred wisdom of Chemic going back at least

2774
02:55:30,840 --> 02:55:35,200
Speaker 4: two thousand years prior to the twenty fifth dynasties, so

2775
02:55:35,200 --> 02:55:38,400
Speaker 4: we're talking about the Old Kingdom. I referred to one

2776
02:55:38,440 --> 02:55:42,520
Speaker 4: of these tones as the comedic equivalent comedic slash Kushite

2777
02:55:42,560 --> 02:55:46,000
Speaker 4: equivalent of the Library of Congress. It's a repository of knowledge.

2778
02:55:46,080 --> 02:55:49,840
Speaker 4: And so I'm working on this book expanding this theory

2779
02:55:49,920 --> 02:55:54,080
Speaker 4: where these priests saw the fall, and in preparation for

2780
02:55:54,160 --> 02:55:57,960
Speaker 4: the fall, they parcel up some of their knowledge and

2781
02:55:58,080 --> 02:56:01,280
Speaker 4: sent it further west to West Africa for safe keeping.

2782
02:56:01,640 --> 02:56:04,640
Speaker 4: It was Charles Finch Well gone five who turned me

2783
02:56:04,720 --> 02:56:07,840
Speaker 4: on to a book written by a Google car Limb,

2784
02:56:07,959 --> 02:56:12,400
Speaker 4: a book called Passed from the Nile, which documents six

2785
02:56:12,560 --> 02:56:15,840
Speaker 4: migrations out of the Nile River Valley into the Niger

2786
02:56:15,959 --> 02:56:19,360
Speaker 4: River Valley that occurred over a period of almost a

2787
02:56:19,440 --> 02:56:24,000
Speaker 4: thousand years, where African priests and priestesses brought their cargo

2788
02:56:24,200 --> 02:56:26,480
Speaker 4: knowledge from the East to the west and it helped

2789
02:56:26,520 --> 02:56:34,720
Speaker 4: to jumpstart certain traditions and Ghana, Senegal, Gambia, the Ivory Coast, Cameroon, Nigeria,

2790
02:56:36,160 --> 02:56:41,800
Speaker 4: and Mali, so we can now trace the migration of African.

2791
02:56:46,200 --> 02:56:51,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're jumping in and out on us.

2792
02:56:52,080 --> 02:56:55,400
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Okay, I'll try to be stationed there. I'm

2793
02:56:55,400 --> 02:57:00,760
Speaker 4: actually having this conversation with you from Toronto, Canada. I'm

2794
02:57:00,800 --> 02:57:03,680
Speaker 4: in time to do a couple of presentations, so I'll

2795
02:57:03,680 --> 02:57:08,760
Speaker 4: stay closer to my phone. But I found evidence of

2796
02:57:09,440 --> 02:57:14,240
Speaker 4: twenty fifth Dynasty pre preparing for the fall, and there's

2797
02:57:14,280 --> 02:57:16,640
Speaker 4: some other things that I'm working on, so just stay tuned.

2798
02:57:16,920 --> 02:57:20,760
Speaker 4: I'll be sharing more information in the coming months about

2799
02:57:22,000 --> 02:57:27,520
Speaker 4: how I think our ancestors have prepared to preserve certain

2800
02:57:27,560 --> 02:57:33,000
Speaker 4: information so that when they return as us, we will

2801
02:57:33,040 --> 02:57:36,760
Speaker 4: be able to dig up these memories of the past,

2802
02:57:37,320 --> 02:57:41,959
Speaker 4: interpret this information, and make it available to those what

2803
02:57:42,080 --> 02:57:44,360
Speaker 4: they desire to want to know this information.

2804
02:57:45,560 --> 02:57:47,760
Speaker 1: All right, twelve away from the top of all let's

2805
02:57:47,800 --> 02:57:50,120
Speaker 1: keep growing this. Go to Brentwood. Richard's waiting for us.

2806
02:57:50,120 --> 02:57:53,160
Speaker 1: He's online three grant rising. Richard, You're on with Tony Browning.

2807
02:57:53,680 --> 02:57:56,640
Speaker 14: Good morning, gentlemen. Quick question, first, mister brother, how do

2808
02:57:56,640 --> 02:57:57,680
Speaker 14: you spell your last name?

2809
02:57:59,040 --> 02:58:02,000
Speaker 4: Last name is b R O W d e R

2810
02:58:02,200 --> 02:58:05,320
Speaker 4: browder eyebrow, shoulder file.

2811
02:58:05,720 --> 02:58:08,959
Speaker 14: Yeah at a file at Yahoo Yahoo.

2812
02:58:09,879 --> 02:58:12,160
Speaker 4: Yes, prouder file at yahoo dot com.

2813
02:58:12,280 --> 02:58:15,680
Speaker 14: Yes, sir, perfect, Okay, great, going forward. I did to

2814
02:58:15,800 --> 02:58:19,480
Speaker 14: a call, I mean, Kevin, I had a question concerning reincarnation,

2815
02:58:19,640 --> 02:58:23,640
Speaker 14: but that's kind of falling down the total pof right now. Uh,

2816
02:58:23,840 --> 02:58:26,879
Speaker 14: you spoke of my heart and speaking about the Mother

2817
02:58:26,959 --> 02:58:30,920
Speaker 14: of God. I don't see how God could ever have

2818
02:58:30,959 --> 02:58:35,280
Speaker 14: had a mother. As he expresses himself in this Book

2819
02:58:35,280 --> 02:58:39,280
Speaker 14: of Michael, he speaks he's from everlasting to everlasting. There

2820
02:58:39,360 --> 02:58:42,280
Speaker 14: was never a time when he was not. So uh,

2821
02:58:42,400 --> 02:58:45,160
Speaker 14: I don't I don't see how that kind of holds

2822
02:58:45,240 --> 02:58:45,920
Speaker 14: up completely.

2823
02:58:46,280 --> 02:58:48,840
Speaker 4: Let me clarify that for you, all right, clarify for you.

2824
02:58:49,440 --> 02:58:52,680
Speaker 4: Most of the perceptions of God that we have are

2825
02:58:52,840 --> 02:58:55,200
Speaker 4: associated with the sun. The son is one of the

2826
02:58:55,240 --> 02:59:00,680
Speaker 4: oldest symbols for God. So I'm speaking metaphorically about metaphorical

2827
02:59:00,760 --> 02:59:05,120
Speaker 4: and metaphysical concepts. Right, God is the concept? Right, God

2828
02:59:05,160 --> 02:59:10,120
Speaker 4: is a concept? And well, but we're not going to

2829
02:59:10,160 --> 02:59:13,040
Speaker 4: debate that now because we don't have the time. Appreciate

2830
02:59:13,080 --> 02:59:16,400
Speaker 4: you don't have the time. But let's you know, just

2831
02:59:16,400 --> 02:59:19,039
Speaker 4: just follow follow my logic so that you can understand

2832
02:59:19,720 --> 02:59:22,320
Speaker 4: carry I said what I said now time no, no, no,

2833
02:59:22,480 --> 02:59:26,680
Speaker 4: we'll do it. We'll do it. So the the Karl

2834
02:59:26,760 --> 02:59:29,320
Speaker 4: opens his show and Greece his guests with the phrase

2835
02:59:29,400 --> 02:59:33,000
Speaker 4: grand rising, Grand Rising. So grand rising is the rising

2836
02:59:33,080 --> 02:59:35,480
Speaker 4: of the sun, which is the symbol of the representation

2837
02:59:35,560 --> 02:59:38,119
Speaker 4: of God and Kimmid. The name of the sun when

2838
02:59:38,120 --> 02:59:40,200
Speaker 4: it rose in the morning was keppera kep prai is

2839
02:59:40,240 --> 02:59:42,840
Speaker 4: the word that means rebirth or renewal. When the sun

2840
02:59:42,920 --> 02:59:46,840
Speaker 4: reached its highest point in this movement across the sky

2841
02:59:46,959 --> 02:59:49,920
Speaker 4: at high noon, it was known as ray, and ray

2842
02:59:50,040 --> 02:59:53,080
Speaker 4: represents the Creator on high. When the sun set in

2843
02:59:53,120 --> 02:59:56,080
Speaker 4: the west, it was known as our men. And our

2844
02:59:56,120 --> 02:59:59,439
Speaker 4: men is an African word that represents the unseen presence

2845
02:59:59,720 --> 03:00:03,240
Speaker 4: of Almighty. So as God was depicted in the Nile Valley,

2846
03:00:03,320 --> 03:00:06,200
Speaker 4: God was a concept God with the principal God was

2847
03:00:06,240 --> 03:00:09,360
Speaker 4: a force that was represented in nature by the Sun,

2848
03:00:09,720 --> 03:00:12,680
Speaker 4: which is the source of its responsible for all life

2849
03:00:12,959 --> 03:00:16,480
Speaker 4: on planet Earth. So in that context, there are scenes

2850
03:00:16,520 --> 03:00:19,160
Speaker 4: in the tomb of Rameses the fifth and a couple

2851
03:00:19,160 --> 03:00:24,680
Speaker 4: of other Rameses Kings where we see Newt giving birth

2852
03:00:24,800 --> 03:00:27,920
Speaker 4: to the son Nut giving birth to the son. So

2853
03:00:27,959 --> 03:00:31,160
Speaker 4: in that symbolic representation, Newt is the mother of God.

2854
03:00:31,840 --> 03:00:35,840
Speaker 4: And if you study the genealogy of the Netrude, then

2855
03:00:36,040 --> 03:00:39,280
Speaker 4: not is the mother of Newt. Hence my aunt is

2856
03:00:39,320 --> 03:00:43,520
Speaker 4: the grandmother of God. That's the context in which I was.

2857
03:00:43,600 --> 03:00:45,840
Speaker 4: I was presenting that information.

2858
03:00:47,400 --> 03:00:49,240
Speaker 1: All right, I think he hung up. I thank you

2859
03:00:49,280 --> 03:00:53,560
Speaker 1: for your call though, So, brother Tony, tomorrow with what's

2860
03:00:53,560 --> 03:00:56,960
Speaker 1: going to take place for the ascension celebration or commemoration

2861
03:00:57,080 --> 03:01:04,720
Speaker 1: for our shells nam Doctor finch Way gone five.

2862
03:01:04,920 --> 03:01:08,720
Speaker 4: Well, we're going to begin with the drum possession and

2863
03:01:09,400 --> 03:01:14,760
Speaker 4: again using the drums as a means to draw attention

2864
03:01:14,920 --> 03:01:18,120
Speaker 4: from the audience and to also draw attention from the ancestors.

2865
03:01:18,560 --> 03:01:22,240
Speaker 4: We'll have the libation, I'll do a brief welcome, and

2866
03:01:22,360 --> 03:01:25,000
Speaker 4: then we'll have several people in our program who will

2867
03:01:25,080 --> 03:01:28,800
Speaker 4: explain to the audience, those present and those who are

2868
03:01:28,879 --> 03:01:32,560
Speaker 4: viewing the stream of this activity. We'll discuss what is

2869
03:01:32,600 --> 03:01:36,200
Speaker 4: a forty day ascension. We'll have someone else discuss why

2870
03:01:36,400 --> 03:01:41,360
Speaker 4: we elevate the ancestors. We'll have a brief video clip

2871
03:01:41,640 --> 03:01:45,440
Speaker 4: with words from doctor French talking about giving us his

2872
03:01:46,120 --> 03:01:49,800
Speaker 4: philosophy about all of these teachings, and then we'll have

2873
03:01:50,080 --> 03:01:54,240
Speaker 4: short We'll also have one of the adoptee's sisters discussed

2874
03:01:54,360 --> 03:01:57,760
Speaker 4: the altar. Why we're using an altar and altars go

2875
03:01:57,920 --> 03:02:00,560
Speaker 4: all the way back to the Nile Valley, places where

2876
03:02:00,600 --> 03:02:04,520
Speaker 4: libations report, places where ancestors were acknowledged. And then we'll

2877
03:02:04,600 --> 03:02:09,400
Speaker 4: have four five different presentations from people who knew doctor

2878
03:02:09,440 --> 03:02:12,000
Speaker 4: Finch and work with him. One will talk about his

2879
03:02:12,160 --> 03:02:15,400
Speaker 4: personal character and ethics. Another would be a physician who

2880
03:02:15,440 --> 03:02:19,200
Speaker 4: will talk about his medical research. Will have another talk

2881
03:02:19,240 --> 03:02:22,720
Speaker 4: about his intellectual curiosity and his work with various people

2882
03:02:22,720 --> 03:02:26,240
Speaker 4: within the community. There would be a presentation discussing his

2883
03:02:26,480 --> 03:02:30,760
Speaker 4: cultural foundation and how doctor Finch as a medically trained

2884
03:02:30,840 --> 03:02:36,359
Speaker 4: physician was also equally stated in Indigenous and West African

2885
03:02:36,480 --> 03:02:42,240
Speaker 4: healing modalities. Then there would be a presentation on Fence's

2886
03:02:42,520 --> 03:02:48,000
Speaker 4: evolving spiritual evolution and how he grew out of certain

2887
03:02:48,080 --> 03:02:51,800
Speaker 4: concepts and into other concepts. There'll be a tribute from

2888
03:02:52,240 --> 03:02:57,080
Speaker 4: an organization that doctor Finch helped to found, the JED Collective,

2889
03:02:57,480 --> 03:03:00,720
Speaker 4: and then there'll be another short video clip doctor Finch

2890
03:03:01,080 --> 03:03:05,920
Speaker 4: giving us instructions for the future. There will be another

2891
03:03:06,400 --> 03:03:08,840
Speaker 4: tribute to Fence, and then we've got a couple of

2892
03:03:09,440 --> 03:03:14,440
Speaker 4: musical tributes. We will actually then elevate the image of

2893
03:03:15,160 --> 03:03:20,680
Speaker 4: Finch on this altar. There's a photograph of Fence that

2894
03:03:20,760 --> 03:03:23,520
Speaker 4: will begin on the floor, and with each presentation we

2895
03:03:23,600 --> 03:03:27,279
Speaker 4: will elevate it to the next level until we elevate

2896
03:03:27,360 --> 03:03:29,840
Speaker 4: his picture to the highest level on the altar, where

2897
03:03:29,879 --> 03:03:33,400
Speaker 4: we can then acknowledge by the Fence as an ancestor

2898
03:03:33,760 --> 03:03:37,120
Speaker 4: and be able to welcome him into the ancestor realm,

2899
03:03:37,240 --> 03:03:40,520
Speaker 4: where we know he'll be greeted by his two brothers,

2900
03:03:40,640 --> 03:03:45,040
Speaker 4: his parents, Patricia Newton, Francis Ralsey. I've in certain of

2901
03:03:45,080 --> 03:03:48,320
Speaker 4: Anoka Rashidi and all of the great scholars and thinkers

2902
03:03:48,360 --> 03:03:52,160
Speaker 4: who have preceded him in this journey. And one of

2903
03:03:52,280 --> 03:03:56,080
Speaker 4: the important things that I want those who will be

2904
03:03:56,400 --> 03:03:59,200
Speaker 4: in attendance for this activity, and it's going to be

2905
03:03:59,280 --> 03:04:01,840
Speaker 4: held at the third the Marshall Center, eighteen sixteen twelve

2906
03:04:01,840 --> 03:04:04,960
Speaker 4: Street Northwest Spreading open to the public. It will also

2907
03:04:05,040 --> 03:04:08,000
Speaker 4: be live stream. But one of the most important takeaways

2908
03:04:08,160 --> 03:04:11,080
Speaker 4: is that I want our people to understand the depth

2909
03:04:11,640 --> 03:04:14,720
Speaker 4: of African spirituality. I want us to understand how we

2910
03:04:15,360 --> 03:04:20,160
Speaker 4: revere and acknowledge our ancestors, because everybody is going to

2911
03:04:20,160 --> 03:04:23,720
Speaker 4: be an ancestor at some point in time. These activities

2912
03:04:23,920 --> 03:04:28,640
Speaker 4: affirm our humanity. They also affirm our connection with those

2913
03:04:28,680 --> 03:04:32,199
Speaker 4: who are no longer here. It completes the circle of life.

2914
03:04:32,720 --> 03:04:37,400
Speaker 4: So we're going to invite all the listeners to WL

2915
03:04:37,600 --> 03:04:42,280
Speaker 4: Carl Nelson Show to tune in. And this is our

2916
03:04:42,360 --> 03:04:50,359
Speaker 4: way of honoring a man who was a tireless researcher, worker,

2917
03:04:50,879 --> 03:04:55,000
Speaker 4: who cares so deeply about African people, who cared about

2918
03:04:55,040 --> 03:04:57,960
Speaker 4: our physical well being as well as our spiritual well being.

2919
03:04:58,400 --> 03:05:00,800
Speaker 4: And this is what we do to of those people

2920
03:05:00,879 --> 03:05:01,920
Speaker 4: that we love and cherish.

2921
03:05:02,680 --> 03:05:04,119
Speaker 1: And what time is this again, Tony?

2922
03:05:05,480 --> 03:05:08,120
Speaker 4: The event is from six to eight pm at the

2923
03:05:08,160 --> 03:05:12,360
Speaker 4: third Goood Marshall Center, eighteen sixteen twelve Street Northwest. I'll

2924
03:05:12,480 --> 03:05:15,920
Speaker 4: post streaming information on my Facebook page, so you can

2925
03:05:15,959 --> 03:05:19,160
Speaker 4: go to Tony Browner on Facebook or Anthony brown on Facebook.

2926
03:05:19,360 --> 03:05:23,160
Speaker 4: It's going to be streamed live on my YouTube channel,

2927
03:05:23,240 --> 03:05:26,760
Speaker 4: So if you go to YouTube and type in my name,

2928
03:05:27,120 --> 03:05:30,400
Speaker 4: we should find the link as well. And we invite

2929
03:05:30,440 --> 03:05:39,320
Speaker 4: people to watch and to understand on another level information

2930
03:05:39,560 --> 03:05:42,720
Speaker 4: that has been withheld from us in order to keep

2931
03:05:42,840 --> 03:05:48,560
Speaker 4: us mentally contain, mentally confined in the world that doesn't

2932
03:05:48,840 --> 03:05:52,440
Speaker 4: value our lives or our spirit. And this is the

2933
03:05:52,520 --> 03:05:58,080
Speaker 4: way during our African Heritage Month, this is the way

2934
03:05:58,200 --> 03:06:02,560
Speaker 4: that we can actually practice our heritage traditions that have

2935
03:06:02,720 --> 03:06:08,080
Speaker 4: been practiced in the Asking community for thousands and thousands

2936
03:06:08,120 --> 03:06:11,080
Speaker 4: of years. And last thing, so that e BIT is

2937
03:06:11,160 --> 03:06:14,720
Speaker 4: on Thursday, and right around the corner the next day

2938
03:06:14,720 --> 03:06:18,040
Speaker 4: at the Lincoln Theater is Heili Grima's premier of his

2939
03:06:18,200 --> 03:06:23,760
Speaker 4: film Black Lions Italian Wolves, which is about the Italian's

2940
03:06:23,800 --> 03:06:28,880
Speaker 4: efforts to colonize Ethiopia. So this is going to be

2941
03:06:28,920 --> 03:06:32,359
Speaker 4: a down pack weekend. Saturday ASALA is having its annual

2942
03:06:32,800 --> 03:06:36,240
Speaker 4: Black History Month celebration. So we do it good in DC,

2943
03:06:36,440 --> 03:06:39,160
Speaker 4: we do it strong in DC. And I'm proud to

2944
03:06:39,200 --> 03:06:41,920
Speaker 4: be a part of the community that is fostered my

2945
03:06:42,160 --> 03:06:45,480
Speaker 4: development for five decades.

2946
03:06:46,160 --> 03:06:48,200
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, brother Tony, thank you for sharing

2947
03:06:48,240 --> 03:06:51,640
Speaker 1: that with us. Family, that's it classes this mess. Stay strong,

2948
03:06:51,760 --> 03:06:54,240
Speaker 1: stay positive, please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning

2949
03:06:54,320 --> 03:06:57,600
Speaker 1: right here, six o'clock on ten ten wlb in Baltimore

2950
03:06:57,879 --> 03:07:00,440
Speaker 1: and fourteen fifty WL in the DMV