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Speaker 1: Grant Rising, family, and thanks for making us part of

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Speaker 1: your morning ritual. Later, civil rights icon William Acossa Rix

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Speaker 1: will check into our classroom. Now. Willie was one of

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Speaker 1: the prominent civil rights activists back in the day, and

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Speaker 1: he actually coined the term black power and march with

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Speaker 1: doctor King Kwameter Ray, John Lewis and other members of Snake.

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Speaker 1: But before we hear from Willie, Ricks, economist and author

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Speaker 1: speak with economists doctor Julian Malvaux. She's's gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: the nation's economy where it stands in its possible direction.

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Speaker 1: You know, Donald Trump says we're doing well in the economy.

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Speaker 1: So we'll hear what uh, doctor Malvaux. Doctor Malvaux, by

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Speaker 1: the ways, mit graduate. So she's a nose slatter when

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Speaker 1: it comes to economy. Also, we're gonna hear from attorney

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Speaker 1: and author Delhi. Oh God, he's going to draw us

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Speaker 1: live from London to discuss his book. His book is

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Speaker 1: Tyler Slave Ship called Jesus Momentality. Detroit based activist Dennis

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Speaker 1: Boatwright will check in. But first let's get Vin to

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Speaker 1: open the classroom doors. This morning, Grand rising, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising, indeed, brother Carl Nelson, My man, my man,

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Speaker 2: it's the eleventh of December and Thursday all over the world.

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Speaker 2: Well like, okay, they're parts of the world that's already

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Speaker 2: a Friday.

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Speaker 3: I think. Either way, it's too past the hour of

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Speaker 3: six am.

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Speaker 2: And you got to get a pretty early in the

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Speaker 2: morning to be a part of the Carl Nelson Joe University.

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Speaker 3: So it's officially open.

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Speaker 2: As I dropped the gavel and say, how you feeling.

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Speaker 1: Carl Nelson, how you feel I'm still learning, Kevin, I'm

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Speaker 1: still learning.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course, that's one of the atomic habits.

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Speaker 3: You see.

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Speaker 2: I like to quote book titles sometimes, and James Claire

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Speaker 2: wrote a book called Atomic Habits, and in that book

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Speaker 2: it mentions tiny habits such as being a perpetual student

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Speaker 2: can lead to greatness.

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Speaker 3: And so here we are with that.

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Speaker 1: Great because if he recalls Kevin yesterday, Malcolm's daughter Yes

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Speaker 1: said that that's what her dad was. It's all about learning,

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Speaker 1: she says, you always learned. I'm surprised. Well, I shouldn't

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Speaker 1: say I was surprised, but I was taken back when

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Speaker 1: she mentioned that that's what dad. What she got from

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Speaker 1: her mom and dad about learning, always learning. You got

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Speaker 1: to always be open.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what makes it atomic. See, and Adam

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Speaker 2: is a small little thing like a mustard seed. And

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Speaker 2: yet when it explodes, then you know, it impresses everyone,

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Speaker 2: the environment, the country, if you will. And so I

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Speaker 2: could go on and on and on with such philosophical things.

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Speaker 2: Let's get this message from the White House. You were

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Speaker 2: talking about the president's take on the economy. Well, he

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Speaker 2: delivered a message. Since taking office, President Donald J. Trump

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Speaker 2: has made substantial progress reversing the inflation and cost of

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Speaker 2: living disaster he inherited from the recklessness of the Biden administration.

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Speaker 2: Now remember this is straight from the White House website. Now, okay,

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Speaker 2: so President Trump is also clear there is still important

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Speaker 2: of lower costs. While Democrats attempt to con Americans into

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Speaker 2: believing they're the champions of affordability, the reality is that

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Speaker 2: the Democrats created the problem and President Trump is stopping

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Speaker 2: at nothing to fix it. On inflation, he says that

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Speaker 2: he tamed Biden's inflation crisis and is working to bring

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Speaker 2: it down further. Under Biden, inflation average nearly five percent

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Speaker 1: Economy starts at Cheulan Malvaux. Is she only how to

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Speaker 1: break down those numbers?

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Speaker 1: And everything is blaming on Biden. What he saw, though, Kenn,

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Speaker 1: He saw the affordabilding. This is why New York Meyrill

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Speaker 3: By President Donald J. Trump.

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Speaker 2: His name is right there, biggest all daytime, and it

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Speaker 1: They don't have to give it the whole test because

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Speaker 1: it's you know, people know. Now, come on, he's going

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Speaker 1: the gas prices. To Kevin, the Saudis, The Saudis and

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Speaker 1: So that's why the prices. They kept the prices on high.

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Speaker 1: But what else is happening.

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Speaker 3: In other news?

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Speaker 2: According to see Ann Politics, three separate US strengths on

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Speaker 2: intense scrutiny. In recent weeks. The contrast and treatment has happened,

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Speaker 2: According to defense officials, what all that means is they

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Speaker 3: Meetings to explain the attack.

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Speaker 2: the White House said Bradley was ultimately the official who

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Speaker 2: And Bradley told the lawmakers he ordered a second strike

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Speaker 2: of the vessel remained afloat because it's still held cocaine,

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Speaker 3: Still yet to be proven.

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Speaker 2: The survivors could hypothetically have floated to safety, been rescued,

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Speaker 2: and carried on with trafficking the drugs. Man, this is

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Speaker 3: What do you think about.

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Speaker 1: That, Kyle, right, because we haven't seen, you know, any

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Speaker 1: the bodies of those those people were you know contacted. Hey,

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Speaker 2: But anyway, well, Sarah Harrison, the former Associated General Counsel

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Speaker 2: The second time the military foundc of average after an

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Speaker 3: You, Carl. That's the way it is.

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Speaker 2: On the eleventh of December, Oh, one last story, though,

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Speaker 2: the US seized his sanctioned oil tanker off the coast

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Speaker 3: Quote from the President.

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Speaker 2: We've just seized the tanker on the coast of Venezuela,

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Speaker 2: a large tanker, very large, largest one ever actually, And

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Speaker 2: other things are happening, said President Trump, who has been

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Speaker 2: pressuring Venezuelan President Nicholas Maduro to step down.

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Speaker 3: Help us make sense of.

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Speaker 1: This, Carl, just to tell me how to make sense

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Speaker 1: of that. You know, obviously they want the oil. Now

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Speaker 1: They want regime change in Venezuela. And the oil was

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Speaker 1: it's all adding up. Yeah, if those of you have

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Speaker 1: when Mark from Anaheim told us all this was going

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Speaker 1: heard from Hi quite a big Kevin. He's just sitting

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Speaker 3: That's why. Hey.

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Speaker 2: Look, but the Venezuelan government, in a statement, accused the

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Speaker 2: it's way way too much. Your guest is standing behind Carl.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 4: Grand Rising, and thanks for having me on your show.

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Speaker 1: And Dennis, we have a ritual for first time guest.

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Speaker 4: And what we have been doing for the last few

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Speaker 1: All Right, Dannis, you say we're an inflection point here

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this, how much of this

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Speaker 1: And I thought, right there, Dennis, so I gotta step

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Speaker 6: And Dennis sport right, grand Rick, grand Rick, I'm calling

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Speaker 4: particularly African Americans. So we have been doing our job.

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Speaker 4: So what you can do is, yes, there's going to

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Speaker 4: be changed, but there are many alternatives. Because because of

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Speaker 4: Africa is rise Pauler, it's going to give you leverage

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Speaker 4: over here in the United States because you are a

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Speaker 4: person of African as sense, and many people are gonna

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Speaker 4: want to come to you if you established diplomatic ties

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Speaker 4: with Africa.

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Speaker 7: Right now, let.

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Speaker 1: Me join me here twenty nine minutes away from the

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Speaker 1: top of Monte. Thank you for your calling, and that's

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Speaker 1: what Monte was implying. I'm glad you went there with

447
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Speaker 1: Bricks because Bricks is now moving to remove the United

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Speaker 1: States currency, the usd the dollar as the world's reserve

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Speaker 1: currency because that was peg to oil. So now they're

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Speaker 1: trying to come within a digital currency because some people

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Speaker 1: thought it was going to be the Chinese yan or

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Speaker 1: some other currency, but they've come up with a digital currency.

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Speaker 1: How is all this playing into this geopolitical shift that

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Speaker 1: we're seeing right now? Is this why Donald Trump we

455
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Speaker 1: talked about what's going on in Venezuela, and Kevin mentioned

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Speaker 1: that earlier US troops have seized a Venezuelan vessel off

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Speaker 1: the coast of Venezuela. It was oiled heading for Cuba,

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Speaker 1: another one of the prior states of Para states for

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Speaker 1: the United States. How does this affect what we'd hear

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Speaker 1: in this country. Do blacks and the Blacks and to

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Speaker 1: Aspa for a matter, are would you spectators? Is there

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Speaker 1: a role for us to play in.

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Speaker 4: All of this, well, Greg Cressen, Carl, there's a big

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Speaker 4: role that we could play, and just something significant. Last Thursday,

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Speaker 4: I believe the State Department put out National Security Strategy,

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Speaker 4: and in that strategy, it is very clear that United

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Speaker 4: States intends to reduce its military and economic and political

468
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Speaker 4: footprint throughout the world and pivot towards the Western hemisphere.

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Speaker 4: They're doing that because they realize that they have overstretched themselves.

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Speaker 4: So what we see in Venezuela is nothing but United

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Speaker 4: States grand standing and a reluctantly and a bitterness to

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Speaker 4: face the reality that United States dollar is declining and

473
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Speaker 4: there's nothing they can do about it. When you look

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Speaker 4: at bricks and its tremendous impact and it's challenge to

475
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Speaker 4: the US dollar, you will see that there is a

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Speaker 4: strong correlation between countries that are joining BRICKS and the

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Speaker 4: US hostility Donald Trump's hostility. Forts Just take a look

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Speaker 4: at the Venezuela just put their their application in some

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Speaker 4: months ago to join the Bricks. We also see Iran

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Speaker 4: is a member of Bricks. We also see of South

481
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Speaker 4: Africa is a member of bricks. And what did we

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Speaker 4: see this year? We see Donald Trump prevented he didn't

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Speaker 4: want to attend the bricks in South Africa under the

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Speaker 4: false pretext that the Africans, the South Africans are oppressing

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Speaker 4: the white Africans in South Africa. So we see that

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Speaker 4: there's a correlation between Donald Trump's behavior towards global soft

487
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Speaker 4: countries is because of these countries are slowly gravitating towards bricks,

488
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Speaker 4: which means that people are withdrawing their money from the

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Speaker 4: IMF and World Bank and deposit it in the brincks

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Speaker 4: central banks. So we have a global shift that is

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Speaker 4: going on that unfortunately, you know, for the United States,

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Speaker 4: it's it's going to hurt them. So we have a

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump who doesn't have a foreign policy, He doesn't

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Speaker 4: have a legitimate, competent cabinet to be able to mitigate

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Speaker 4: some of the damage. So I tell people of African descent.

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Speaker 8: It is our time.

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Speaker 5: It is our time.

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Speaker 4: And for example, and I was told to bring this

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Speaker 4: up by doctor Arthur Lewis out of Harlem University. I

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Speaker 4: gave him a shout out, but I'm gonna tell you

501
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Speaker 4: this African Americans built the United States with our own hands.

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Speaker 7: We built this.

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Speaker 4: And you realize when you understand that there was not

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Speaker 4: an influx of European immigrants to the United States till

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Speaker 4: around the eighteen sixties, that is, after Washington, d C. Philadelphia.

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Speaker 4: All of these cities were already created by black people.

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Speaker 4: So what I'm saying is the same skill set and

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Speaker 4: the same people who built the United States will also

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Speaker 4: be able to rebuild it when it declined. And also

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Speaker 4: because of our skills set, we can also do the

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Speaker 4: same thing on the continent of Africa. We can build

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Speaker 4: over there in the same way we have this in

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Speaker 4: the United States.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Hold, I thought it could come from t each question.

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Speaker 1: A tweeter sent this in for you, Dennis. He says,

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Speaker 1: Russia depends on Venezuela's oil. Are they working with the

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Speaker 1: Americans or or will they side with Venezuela. And people

518
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Speaker 1: are wondering what China's going to do? Brother, this is

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Speaker 1: Venezuela proxy. So you know, we'll come up on break.

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Speaker 1: We got to check the news, last news in our

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Speaker 1: different cities. When we come back, I'll let you I'll

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Speaker 1: let you respond to that tweet. Family, just waking up

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Speaker 1: twenty four minutes away from the top they are. You

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Speaker 1: can join us. Our conversation is with Dennis boat right.

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Speaker 1: Dennis and a new guest here. He's also the director

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Speaker 1: of the Center for Pan African Studies located in Detroit.

527
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Speaker 1: You got a question for him, reach out to us

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Speaker 1: at eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight

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Speaker 1: seventy six, and we're taking calls after the news. Trafficking weather,

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Speaker 1: that's next and grand rising family. Thanks are waking up

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Speaker 1: with us on this Thursday morning at seventeen minutes away

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Speaker 1: from the top of the hour. I guess it's Dennis

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Speaker 1: boat Right. Dennis is the director of the Center for

534
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Speaker 1: Pan African Studies in Detroit, says we're reaching an inflection

535
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Speaker 1: point right now, a geopolitical shift and Africans in the diaspora.

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Speaker 1: We've got to take advantage of the shift. What are

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Speaker 1: your thoughts? She can reach him at eight hundred four

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Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six before we go back

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Speaker 1: to Dennis. So I'll just remind you coming up late

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Speaker 1: this morning, we're gonna speak with a civil rights icon.

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Speaker 1: That will be William Acossa Rick. Some of you know

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Speaker 1: that is remember of Snakey March with Doctor King, Kwame, Terray,

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Speaker 1: John Lewis, Marion Barry, all those folks who were in

544
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Speaker 1: snake when it started. Also, he's the one who coined

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Speaker 1: the phrase black power, that stokely when he was then

546
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Speaker 1: called stokey. Now quamitray or what was qualmitary if you

547
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Speaker 1: will popularized it. Before we hear from him, we're gonna

548
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Speaker 1: speak with doctor Julian Malveaux. She's an economist and she's

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Speaker 1: gonna tell us if what Donald Trump says true of

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Speaker 1: the economy is doing fine. She's going to issue a

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Speaker 1: report card for the year. And before we speak with

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Speaker 1: doctor Malvaul that we're going to we're gonna be joined

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Speaker 1: from London in you guess. He's an author and an attorney.

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Speaker 1: He's written a book called a slave Ship called Jesus.

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Speaker 1: So hell. Got to remind you tomorrow's Friday, so you

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Speaker 1: can join us on our open Phone Friday program. This

557
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Speaker 1: says where we give you a chance to free your

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Speaker 1: mind on he's just think for yourself. You can stop

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Speaker 1: constan at six am right here in Baltimore on ten

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Speaker 1: ten wilb or if you're in the DMV area, we're

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Speaker 1: on fourteen fifty. W oll please don't wait to the

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Speaker 1: last minute. I keep saying this every frid because so

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Speaker 1: many folks who try to get through and they wait

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Speaker 1: to the last minute, and we don't get to hear

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Speaker 1: from the We love to hear from all of you. Oh,

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Speaker 1: by the way, today in Black history in nineteen sixty four.

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Speaker 1: So you know the name Sam Cook. If you don't,

568
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Speaker 1: if you might know Michael Teddy and all these other groups.

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Speaker 1: Are some of these rappers that are around Sam was

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Speaker 1: Sam was a total music control then all of them

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Speaker 1: wrapped together. Those folks of that generation though, who shot

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Speaker 1: to death in south central Los Angeles in a motel

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Speaker 1: on figaroa street from my La peeps anyway, eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. I

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Speaker 1: speak to Dennis Boat right, Dennis, the tweet that I

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Speaker 1: mentioned before we left for the news update, I'll read

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Speaker 1: it again for you. It says Russia depends on Venezuela's oil.

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Speaker 1: Are they working with the Americans or will they side

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Speaker 1: with Venezuela? And I'm gonna throw in here, what's China?

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Speaker 1: What do you think China is going to do with

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Speaker 1: this attack.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a great question, and you know asking this question,

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Speaker 4: I just want to reiterate that. You know, the Breton

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Speaker 4: Woods system gave United States a windfall for over eighty years,

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Speaker 4: so what we have is we have bricks now is

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Speaker 4: really challenging that system. So my point is is that

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Speaker 4: Russia as well as China has a steak in Venezuelan

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Speaker 4: production of Venezuelan oil, not only just because they are

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Speaker 4: excuse me, they are a member of bricks, but just

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Speaker 4: this year a private Chinese firm started producing oil in

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Speaker 4: a in Venezuela. And we also know that Singapore has

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Speaker 4: also decided to invest in Venezuelan oil. So we have

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Speaker 4: a lot of things at stake. But to answer your question,

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Speaker 4: many countries because are becoming more courageous as in the past,

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Speaker 4: because they realized that what this is, this pivot, this

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Speaker 4: reducing the US footprints you know, throughout the world and

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Speaker 4: pivoting towards the Western hemisphere, is nothing other than a

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Speaker 4: disguised Monroe doctrine, but only this time as many countries

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Speaker 4: are not afraid and part of the bricks. Let just

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Speaker 4: give you an example of what side Venezuela is on

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Speaker 4: their shifting obviously towards China and Russia. Who are the

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Speaker 4: the the the the main the leaders of establishing bricks

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Speaker 4: And I bring this up to say that you brought

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Speaker 4: up who who there who Venezuela siding with. I just

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Speaker 4: like to bring up that even India, India was threatened

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Speaker 4: by high tariffs from the United States. However, uh India,

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Speaker 4: India has decided to start slanting towards the China Russian

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Speaker 4: orbit despite the threats that they receiving from United States

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Speaker 4: because India said that, you know, you know, United States

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Speaker 4: acques India of buying oil from Russia in spite of

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Speaker 4: the sanctions on Russia in India under the leadership with

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Speaker 4: Modi pretty much says, so what, We're going to buy

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Speaker 4: aill that's at a cheaper price from Russia and they

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Speaker 4: continue to do that. So what I'm saying is Venezuela

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Speaker 4: has decided and it's pretty clear that they are siding

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Speaker 4: with a system, which is Brits that's going to allow

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Speaker 4: them to advance their economy.

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Speaker 1: And hold that's all right there. Twelve away from the

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Speaker 1: tough air brother change joined us from DC. Has a

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Speaker 1: question for you, Dennis grand rising brother Dennis boat right.

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Speaker 9: I'm sorry, can you hear me?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we can hear Go ahead, Okay.

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Speaker 9: I'm really enjoying your uh, the talk that you're talking

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Speaker 9: about the geopolitical and it is so correct.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 9: Just the r County Jamboy Quad just came back with

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Speaker 9: from Beikina Fossil with a group of seven hundred UH

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Speaker 9: Americans and diasporan Uh. They went there, of course for

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Speaker 9: residency and to help out and UH invest. But the

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Speaker 9: point that you're making about geo geopolitical ship is real.

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Speaker 9: You just mentioned about India. India is a part of bricks,

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Speaker 9: so they can easily just ignore Donald Trump's threat. Bricks

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Speaker 9: is backed by gold and all kind of precious mineral,

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Speaker 9: whereas the.

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Speaker 4: Dollar is backed by nothing.

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Speaker 10: And they're uh.

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Speaker 9: And now China is also back in Venezuela, as you

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Speaker 9: so aptly put it. And it's hard to fight against

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Speaker 9: your banker. And that's the problem that the United States

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Speaker 9: is going to be facing in the near future. Thank

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Speaker 9: you so much for what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: J Before you go, let me ask you this question.

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Speaker 1: You said fight against your banker. Do you think the

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Speaker 1: United States is broke bankrupt?

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Speaker 4: Oh? The United States is a debtor nation. They've broke.

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Speaker 9: They've been broke for a long time. But the only

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Speaker 9: thing they had going for them was the dollar, which

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Speaker 9: was backed by the bayonet, by the gun. Okay, but

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Speaker 9: with this geopolitical shift in the world, Oh.

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Speaker 1: It seems like we lost brother Shay. But but Danny

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Speaker 1: want you want to respond to what he just said.

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Speaker 1: He's correct, you're saying to the United States styllars back by

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Speaker 1: the good will of the American people or the or

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Speaker 1: the American people might if you're American military, your thoughts.

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Speaker 4: Standish, yes, exactly. And the caller was spot on on

656
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Speaker 4: that in United States currency is not by back by

657
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Speaker 4: goal and pretty much United States just prints out his money.

658
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Speaker 4: And that's what's part of the Bretton Woods arrangement. Some

659
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Speaker 4: people called it an exorbitant privilege in that United States

660
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Speaker 4: has all of these countries' currencies pegged to the US dollar,

661
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Speaker 4: which gives United States an enormous that enormous advantage over people.

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Speaker 4: But just just look at the bricks in terms of numbers.

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Speaker 4: Over half of the world population is under some type

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Speaker 4: of bricks configuration, which means that what this means in

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty five is that with thirty of global GDP

666
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Speaker 4: is controlled by bricks, and that number could be even

667
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Speaker 4: higher and it's shrinking. So what people are doing is

668
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Speaker 4: people are running away from the United States currency systems.

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Speaker 4: Just look a look at their currency. Look at the IMF,

670
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Speaker 4: which you know, an American had created during World War Two.

671
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Speaker 4: The IMF and the war break. Just look at that.

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Speaker 4: Every country of the global soft and in Africa are

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Speaker 4: in severe acute yet because of IMF rules and regulations.

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Speaker 4: So what people are doing is they're needing the IMF

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Speaker 4: in order to give their country some briefing room because

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Speaker 4: IMF is.

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Speaker 1: Just explain what the IMF is for some of our

678
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Speaker 1: families who don't understand what you're saying.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the IMF is that international monetary forms, and you

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Speaker 4: also have the world back in. These two institutions were

681
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Speaker 4: created during the Bretton Wood Conference in nineteen forty four,

682
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Speaker 4: which was convened in New Hampshire in the United States.

683
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Speaker 4: So what these things, Among other things, they control the

684
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Speaker 4: US dollar and world currency because for example, what's so zip.

685
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Speaker 4: You know, what's important about Venezuela oil is that major

686
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Speaker 4: commodities of the world are traded in US dollars we're

687
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Speaker 4: talking about oil, we're talking about gold, we're talking about agriculture,

688
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 4: we're talking about wheat, we're talking about precious metal like cobalt, lithia, hometown.

689
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Speaker 4: All of these things are being traded flyer the US dollar.

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Speaker 1: So all right, let me jump in here too, Dannis.

691
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Speaker 1: Me let me give some more clarification to the family

692
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: who probably do't understand what you're talking about or do

693
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Speaker 1: not know all what you're saying about. The IMF and

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Speaker 1: the World Bank, those are Those are the bankers that

695
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Speaker 1: these many of the third world nations as they call

696
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Speaker 1: them or second world nations go to borrow money, and

697
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: some of them have mortgage their their minerals, their gold

698
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Speaker 1: and diamonds for these loans, examinant loans that they have

699
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Speaker 1: to pay back. And this is where this is, This

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Speaker 1: is where there's a hell nations. Maybe you can chime

701
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Speaker 1: in on this because they're not using they're not going

702
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Speaker 1: to the IMF or the World Bank to get money

703
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Speaker 1: to fund the building out their countries, the infrastructure of

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Speaker 1: their country. So I'll let you respond to that way, Dennis.

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Speaker 1: And we've got still got a bunch of folks want

706
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Speaker 1: to talk to you.

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Speaker 4: Yes, mister Nelson, those are great, fantastic questions you've brought up,

708
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Speaker 4: But I just stated, just to give you example of

709
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Speaker 4: the debt traps that the IMF creates. A country like

710
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Speaker 4: Kenya has paid thirty percent of his GDP in order

711
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 4: to reservice loans that they got from IMF. And that

712
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 4: was one of the same complaints that Iberhem Carri, the

713
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 4: leader of Bertino Fossil had. He was saying that his

714
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Speaker 4: country that were so much in debt with the IMF

715
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Speaker 4: that they were able to do projects for investment to

716
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Speaker 4: help the general population. So the IMF is now known

717
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Speaker 4: as a debt track, and I just want to bring

718
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Speaker 4: this up before you get to the next question. Is

719
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Speaker 4: that if you compare the alliances of health state membership

720
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Speaker 4: their progress in the last two or three years, and

721
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Speaker 4: you compare them to other African countries, including Ghana and

722
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Speaker 4: Nigeria who are mired in IMF, that you would see

723
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Speaker 4: them there's a big difference. There's a big difference. So

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Speaker 4: the IMF. Breaking away from the IMF means you're breaking

725
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Speaker 4: away from the US dollar.

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Speaker 1: Well put five away from the top. Bob's checking in

727
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Speaker 1: from Buffalo. He's online three grand rising, Bobby, are on

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Speaker 1: with Dennis boat Right, love family.

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Speaker 10: There's something in the Bible about not being a debt

730
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Speaker 10: or I'm not sure exactly because I'm not a Bible scholar,

731
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Speaker 10: but us being in the belly of this beast called

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Speaker 10: the United States of America, how can we what can

733
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Speaker 10: we do to avert the negative impacts of the falling dollar?

734
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Speaker 4: And with the debt of.

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Speaker 10: The United States being held by people like China, the

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Speaker 10: only thing kept that keeps US afloat is the military

737
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Speaker 10: might of this country. That China or other countries can't

738
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Speaker 10: come and collect on the debt that is held the

739
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Speaker 10: US that is held by them. Is there basic question?

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Speaker 10: What can we do being in this beast, being in

741
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Speaker 10: the belly of the beast, to avert the negative impacts

742
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Speaker 10: of the fall of the United States?

743
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Speaker 1: All right, thanks Bob, Thanks your question. Dennis, we got

744
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: to step aside and get caught up with this trafficing

745
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: weather not different cities. I'll let you respond to Bob's

746
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: question on the return family. You two can get in

747
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: all this conversation with Dennis boat Right. Dennis is the

748
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Speaker 1: director of the for the Center for Pan African Studies

749
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Speaker 1: in Detroit. You can reach him at eight hundred four

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Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six, and well take

751
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Speaker 1: a phone calls after the trafficking weather. The snaxt and

752
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Speaker 1: Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on this

753
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Speaker 1: Thursday morning. I guess is Dennis Boat right. Dennis is

754
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Speaker 1: the director for the Center for Pan African Studies in Detroit,

755
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Speaker 1: and Mama tell you we're going to go to London.

756
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Speaker 1: Attorney and author Delhi o Gun is going to join us.

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Speaker 1: He's written a book called a Slave Ship called Jesus.

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Speaker 1: But before we go to Delhi, Dennis, can you respond

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Speaker 1: to Bob's question in Buffalo?

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Speaker 4: Yes, he had. Bob had a great question. I just

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00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 4: want to reiterate that the decline of the you excuse me,

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Speaker 4: the decline of the US dollar is not necessarily bad

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Speaker 4: for African Americans. As I said before, Africa is on

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Speaker 4: the rise, and they contain all of the natural resource

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Speaker 4: that the world needs in order to industrialize, as well

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Speaker 4: as the function. For example, we wouldn't be able to

767
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Speaker 4: have these cell phones or these laptops that we're looking

768
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Speaker 4: at and talking on now had it not been for

769
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Speaker 4: the cobalt in the Congo. So what African Americans need

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Speaker 4: to be doing in order to maximize the opportunities presented

771
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Speaker 4: to them during this geopolitical shift. Number one, we need

772
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Speaker 4: to start businesses in Africa. We also need to invest

773
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Speaker 4: in African startups as well as in the sectors of infrastructure,

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Speaker 4: real estate. We need to start building logistics, hippy and

775
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Speaker 4: trade companies. And also we need to start partner with

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Speaker 4: African governments and entrepreneurs on technology, agriculture, any energy project

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Speaker 4: as well as in stell. So this is an opportunity.

778
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Speaker 4: This is not something for us to be worried about

779
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Speaker 4: or weary about.

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Speaker 1: Africa, Dennis, because I want to get one more call

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Speaker 1: you before we go to Daily in London. A brother

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Speaker 1: calling from Brooklyn in New York City, the b K

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Speaker 1: Grand Rising brother Escol. I hope I'm announcing your name correctly.

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Speaker 1: It's online too, Kevin.

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Speaker 5: And good morning, brother Carl. How are you.

786
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Speaker 1: I'm still learning?

787
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Speaker 4: All right?

788
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 5: Well, let's get ready. Let's dig into it. The more

789
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 5: we always learning, So that's a good thing. Uh So, Yes,

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Speaker 5: I wanted to kind of piggyback or venie back, as

791
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Speaker 5: my vegan brothers and sisters might say, with this. What's

792
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Speaker 5: in it for African Americans. But before I get into

793
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Speaker 5: my before I get to my question for dinnis I

794
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Speaker 5: want to say this, the language that we use and

795
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Speaker 5: how we are mentally prepared is going to be a

796
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Speaker 5: big uh is going to be a big boost to

797
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Speaker 5: moving us to where we need to go. So I

798
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Speaker 5: wanted to say when Dennis was saying the global South,

799
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Speaker 5: that there is no such thing as the global South.

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Speaker 5: Back you know, when we were I'm in my fifties now,

801
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 5: when we were going to school, what did they take

802
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 5: They called Africa what the third world? Africa and the

803
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 5: rest of the world where the majority of people's are

804
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 5: was called the third world, and Europe was called the

805
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 5: first world. They never said what the second world is,

806
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 5: but they had a first world in the third world.

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Speaker 5: And now the terminology is a Kindagentler terminology, and they

808
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 5: used the term global south, but Africa is not the

809
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 5: global south. Africa and Central South of America are the

810
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 5: global center of the world. And we have to come

811
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Speaker 5: from that viewpoint. When we viewed the mother of where

812
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Speaker 5: we came from. Africa is the global center of the world.

813
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 5: And in much that same way as it the global

814
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Speaker 5: center on the actual map, it's the global center of

815
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Speaker 5: the world's economy, and the European world has been misusing

816
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 5: Africa for well over four hundred years, and now it's

817
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Speaker 5: time for African peoples to rise up and take back

818
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Speaker 5: what is theirs by right, What is theirs by birth,

819
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Speaker 5: what is theirs by citizenship is the African continent. And

820
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Speaker 5: everybody else is going to Africa, but us children here

821
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 5: in America are being dissuade from being from going to Africa.

822
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Speaker 5: Africa has one of the brow's youngest populations, and it's

823
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Speaker 5: going to be a big consumer base and is going

824
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Speaker 5: to be eventually a big manufacturer base if we follow

825
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Speaker 5: the past of our brothers and sisters like Trejore and

826
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Speaker 5: Goyte Innciani. And so what Dennist is trying to do

827
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Speaker 5: is he's trying to show us that we need to

828
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Speaker 5: get our minds right, that we need to be prepared,

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Speaker 5: We need to get ourselves mentally prepared. Yes, we can

830
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Speaker 5: invest in that, but first we got to get our

831
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Speaker 5: mind right as Africans. And so part of that getting

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Speaker 5: our minds right is that language. Now my question to Dennist, though,

833
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 5: to expound on that, is because they're forced is out

834
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Speaker 5: there that are trying to dissuade us from connecting to Africa.

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Speaker 5: And I heard Dennis lecture before, and he's talked about

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Speaker 5: a memorandum forty six. So if Dennis, if you can

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Speaker 5: talk about that mirandom forty six and why it's so

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Speaker 5: important for us in this especially in this moment when

839
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Speaker 5: they're people trying to tell us that we are American

840
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Speaker 5: descendants of slaves.

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Speaker 1: Up.

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Speaker 5: The slaves did not come from somewhere, even those who

843
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Speaker 5: were there here before as indigenous Americans, came from Africa.

844
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Speaker 5: And so there's an African connection, no matter how you

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Speaker 5: put it. And so I would like you to talk

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Speaker 5: about that memorandum forty six and why it's so important

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Speaker 5: when we look at the political and social media climate

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Speaker 5: that we're under right now.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you brother. Hey Dennis, can you give

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Speaker 1: us a short version because we got to move on

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Speaker 1: with another guest on deck.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know, great question. You know, the rise

853
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Speaker 4: of the lions of the Health States, we notice that

854
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Speaker 4: there is a simultaneous rise of black antip African personalities

855
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Speaker 4: and groups in the United States that are trying to

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Speaker 4: dissuade us from even thinking about or even engaging in Africa.

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Speaker 4: I say this to say this ties into what Memorandom

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Speaker 4: forty six was put out by the National Security Council

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Speaker 4: in nineteen seventy eight, which explicitly said it mandated the

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Speaker 4: FBI and CI and other intelligence organizations to fund and

861
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Speaker 4: create anti black organizations that will foster mistrust and hostility

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Speaker 4: specifically between Africans and African Americas, so that we will

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Speaker 4: not agree or who operate on any initiative.

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Speaker 1: Wow and listen, we're going to cut that. We will

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Speaker 1: pick it up next time. I'm probably on that particular

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Speaker 1: subject because there is a there is a condre of

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Speaker 1: anti black. They say they black, but they can then

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Speaker 1: we know the agents. But I'm just wondering if it's

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Speaker 1: worth a discussion because you know, and brother called from Brooklyn,

870
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Speaker 1: he knows, and most people know and discredit them. So

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Speaker 1: it may be feudal what they're doing, but they're getting

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Speaker 1: garning a lot of attension on the internet. Jennis to

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining us this morning. But how can

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Speaker 1: folks reach you?

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Speaker 4: Yes, folks can reach me, especially if they want to

876
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Speaker 4: buy my book, my forthcoming book, The Rise of the

877
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Speaker 4: Lions of a Health State. You can reach me at

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Speaker 4: www dot Center for PanAfrican Studies dot org or call

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Speaker 4: me my office at three one three four three one

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Speaker 4: three seventh zero four.

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Speaker 1: All right, Jennis, thank you, thank you for your fault

882
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Speaker 1: you shared with us this morning.

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Speaker 4: Thank you Carl for having me on the show. And

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Speaker 4: it's a pledger.

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Speaker 11: And I love you.

886
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Speaker 4: For especially speaking up for doctor Frescis Creswell see one

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Speaker 4: of my favorite persons.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, doctor Wilson Dots, the homicide co host called

889
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: it so many times. I told her, you know, if

890
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 1: we're going left and we should go right, just pick

891
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Speaker 1: up the phone and call us and set us straight.

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Speaker 1: And she always did. Thanks Dennis, and thank you for

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Speaker 1: remember doctor Francis gres Welson for us.

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Speaker 4: You're welcome.

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Speaker 1: All right, family, ten half the top down. Let's go

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Speaker 1: across the pond to London attorney and author Deli old

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Speaker 1: Gunn Grand Rising, my brother, Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 12: Good afternoon, Carl, and good afternoon Africans in America.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, we want to hear from you because you

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Speaker 1: wrote a book called a slave Shape called Jesus Be before

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Speaker 1: you die. Tell us a little bit about your background.

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Speaker 12: Yes, I'm born in Nigeria, was migrated to the United

903
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Speaker 12: Kingdom at the age of seven, where I began transitioning

904
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Speaker 12: out of my identity and culture until that places was

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Speaker 12: rested around about the age of eighteen, when I turned

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Speaker 12: back and wanted to understand the African story. My education

907
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Speaker 12: took me into law where I'm a com merciall dispute lawyer,

908
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Speaker 12: trial lawyer, arbitration lawyer. But my passion is the history

909
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Speaker 12: of our peoples and that's what led me to the

910
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Speaker 12: study of the slavery and slave trade question because I

911
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Speaker 12: was uncomfortable with the narrative, the prevailing narrative, especially aspects

912
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Speaker 12: that were dividing the Africans in Africa and the Africans

913
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Speaker 12: in the Caribbean and the Africans in America. And what

914
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Speaker 12: I sought to do in the book is trying to

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Speaker 12: bring us back together again. That's why I refer to

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Speaker 12: not Basians or Jamaicans. I refer to Africans in Jamaica,

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Speaker 12: Africans in Barbados, Africans in America, Africans in Haiti.

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Speaker 1: That's what we are, and we're Africans. The peanut black African. Yeah,

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00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: recommended your book. A slave shep called Jesus. So we

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00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 1: want to hear about that. But before we talk about

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Speaker 1: the book, what is it? Was it something specific that

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Speaker 1: changed you that you recommement your decisions to Wow, something's

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Speaker 1: not right here.

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Speaker 13: What was it?

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Speaker 1: Or was it a series of events?

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Speaker 14: What was it?

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Speaker 1: Delhi?

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Speaker 12: Well, it's you know, as a thinking person, you're always

929
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Speaker 12: thinking about the way of the shape of the world,

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Speaker 12: and you're looking at the events and the reportage and

931
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Speaker 12: the dominant narrative, and it was all negatives surrounding us

932
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Speaker 12: and our people are now continent and our homeland, and

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Speaker 12: as I said, I wasn't comfortable with that. The Africans

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Speaker 12: that I was interacting with, the Africans in Jamaica, many

935
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Speaker 12: of them in London. Here, I knew that we were

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Speaker 12: made of better stuff and I couldn't reconcile the narrative

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Speaker 12: with our reality. And that's what made me curious to

938
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Speaker 12: investigate it, because you can't solve a problem until you

939
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Speaker 12: understand it. But understanding that requires diligence and research, and

940
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Speaker 12: that became my mission. If the books weren't out there

941
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Speaker 12: to explain why thins were the way they were, I

942
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Speaker 12: saw it as my responsibility to put the story together.

943
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Speaker 12: And I was assisted in that exercise by virtue of

944
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Speaker 12: my occupation. As you know, as a trial lawyer, you're

945
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Speaker 12: used to people coming to court and promising to tell

946
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Speaker 12: the truth and nothing but the truth. But you know

947
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Speaker 12: that the real story is somewhere in between, and it

948
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Speaker 12: requires a little bit of questioning, a little bit of

949
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Speaker 12: skepticism and interrogation. And once I got the story, I

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Speaker 12: educated myself. Then I took it as my responsibility to

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Speaker 12: share the knowledge.

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Speaker 1: Family. Just John as a thirteen at the top of

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Speaker 1: that with Deli or Gunny's an attorney as author relies

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Speaker 1: in London. By the way, we've got quite a few

955
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Speaker 1: listeners in the UK, Deli, We've got folks listening to us,

956
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Speaker 1: say in Croydon or East London, in mars Side, Era

957
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Speaker 1: of Manchester. We've also got a listener in Wales. But

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Speaker 1: I can't announce that you know Welsh names and a

959
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Speaker 1: lot of consonants, so I can't for I'm not even

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Speaker 1: going to try, but shout out to all of them.

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Speaker 1: Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. Family,

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Speaker 1: I want to speak to attorney and author Deli or

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Speaker 1: gun You can reach us out by that number. And

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00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: he's written a book called slaves, a slave ship called Jesus.

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Speaker 1: How did that? How did that? You can conceive this idea?

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Speaker 12: DELI Well, this is how it happened. As I said,

967
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Speaker 12: I was educating myself on the reality of the slavery

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Speaker 12: and slave trade story. And then, of course of the research,

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Speaker 12: I came across these facts that a ship called the

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Speaker 12: Jesus of lou Beg and that wasn't a leone. I

971
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Speaker 12: now came across another one called the Grace of God,

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Speaker 12: and that showed questions in my mind, because I was

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Speaker 12: raised as a Christian and my mother is the head

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Speaker 12: of a Christian church in London here and I became

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Speaker 12: curious as to what is going on? Why are these

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Speaker 12: ships indulging in this evil enterprise being given holy names?

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Speaker 12: And by the way, for your listeners, I thought I

978
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Speaker 12: had seen it all until very recently I discovered that

979
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Speaker 12: there was another ship titled named John the Baptist. And

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Speaker 12: guess who was the owner of these ships. It was

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Speaker 12: the head of the Church of England. Because this was

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Speaker 12: happening just after the Reformation, you know, when England broke

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Speaker 12: away from Catholicism and the King Henry the Eighth established

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Speaker 12: the Church of England, and to discover that it was

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Speaker 12: his daughter Elizabeth that was the owner of these ships,

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Speaker 12: and that this was her contribution in a joint venture

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Speaker 12: enterprise with a gentleman called John Hawkins, who's regarded as

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Speaker 12: the pioneer of the English slave trade. That told me

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Speaker 12: that there's a story there. And the more I investigated,

990
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Speaker 12: the more I realized that only smoked people really need

991
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Speaker 12: to understand the reality of this evil enterprise and the

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Speaker 12: true story. And so there was a debate within the

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Speaker 12: family when we were deciding how I should tie to

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Speaker 12: the books, and I knew that it had to be.

995
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 12: It had to be that we had to tell it

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Speaker 12: as it is. It's not us who named the ship

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Speaker 12: the Jesus of Lubec, it was they, And we are

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Speaker 12: a responsibility to those who perished in the trade and

999
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 12: those who are still afflicted by the aftermath of that

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Speaker 12: enterprise to really expose what really happened.

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Speaker 1: And thank you for doing the book sixteen at the

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Speaker 1: top of the we've got to step aside for a

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Speaker 1: few moments and we'll come back though with Delli tell us,

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00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,040
Speaker 1: did this shake your faith because you said you you

1005
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Speaker 1: grew up as a Christian that's for many of us.

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01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: You know, we adopted whatever religion that our parents have,

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Speaker 1: and even that the political stances, what our parents have,

1008
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: and we sometimes even what their occupations. We grove to

1009
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: what our parents did and showed us. So I want

1010
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: to find out when we get back there, if this

1011
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: did shook your faith? Are you're still a Christian now?

1012
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: You find out that what Christian Christians did to us

1013
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: in the book that you wrote, A Slave Ship called Jesus. Family,

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01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: you want to join this conversation of our guest these

1015
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: callings from London. His name is delhi oh Gun has

1016
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Speaker 1: written the book, as I mentioned, the Slave Ship called Jesus.

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01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: You can reach us at eight hundred four or five

1018
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone

1019
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks to staying with

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Speaker 1: us on this Thursday morning. I guess is a gun.

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01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: Deli is an attorney, he's also an author. Is based

1022
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: in London. That's where he's calling for us this morning.

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01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: He's written a book called A Slave Ship called Jesus.

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01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: And before we left with the break, my question to

1025
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: him as this book, this research that he did into

1026
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: this book affected his faith because he mentioned that he

1027
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: was he grew up born and grew up as a Christian.

1028
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: So Delli has this and made you think twice about

1029
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: you being a Christian.

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Speaker 12: Not really Carl in this sense, because I've always approached.

1031
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 12: I'm a fast thinker and a slower believer. So whenever

1032
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 12: anybody asked me to believe anything, I've always got the

1033
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 12: breaks on. And it's reason that's always at the forefront.

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01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 12: So especially since my surname Uguin is the god of

1035
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 12: war in the traditional europe faith is the god of justice.

1036
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 12: So you could see that if as I approached and

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01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 12: I was introduced to Christianity, I always had the breaks

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01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 12: on because I had a sense of something else, a

1039
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 12: different belief system. Now, so by the age of sixteen,

1040
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 12: long before I started reading up on the slavery and

1041
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 12: the slave trade, I had already made up my mind

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01:01:56,360 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 12: that my relationship with Christianity was purely into actual rather

1043
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 12: than one of faith. I wasn't a believer. The narratives

1044
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 12: just didn't hang with me. Some of the narratives that

1045
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 12: I came across. Now what the book did or what

1046
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 12: the research did. When I discovered these aspects, it was

1047
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 12: to confirm my position, my thinking that faith is one

1048
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 12: of those things that can either be used for good

1049
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 12: or it can be used for bad. It's like a knife.

1050
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 12: It can be used constructively or it can be used destructively.

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01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 12: So it's not intrinsically bad, but as it is demonstrated

1052
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 12: by the naming of these ships, because you've got to

1053
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 12: stand back and think, what were these guys doing when

1054
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 12: they had so many ships of different names? You know,

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01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 12: ime example, the Queen Elizabeth I, how many ships does

1056
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 12: she have? Why was it that it had to be

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01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 12: the one that Jesus of Lubec, the John, the Baptists

1058
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 12: that were deployed, and that because they were When Columbus

1059
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Speaker 12: arrived in eighty on Santa Maria was the name of

1060
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 12: his ship. He told the indigenous patients that they had

1061
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 12: come from heaven. So it seems to have been an

1062
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 12: extension of that evil deception that they were using these

1063
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Speaker 12: names to perpetrate these evil enterprises. So my faith, it

1064
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 12: wasn't that that disconnected me with Christianity. My connection with

1065
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 12: Christianity had since the age of sixteen, been purely intellectual.

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Speaker 12: In the same way as I relate to Islam, I'll

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01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 12: I read anything I'll read the Koran and I'll read

1068
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 12: the Bible, but I read without prejudice, but also also

1069
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 12: always with the intellectual filter on.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha twenty three at the top there with Delia joined

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01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 1: us from London his book Esolation called Jesus, and Delli

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01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: tell us about your friends, you circle. You're in a circle,

1073
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: and because you're in an attorney so you deal with

1074
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:07,919
Speaker 1: a lot of people and your family that you wrote

1075
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: a book called a slave ship called Jesus. How did

1076
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: they react is this? Do they say, man, why did

1077
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: you touch that? Why don't you should have left that alone?

1078
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 1: You could have written a different book? Or did they

1079
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 1: shun you? What was their reaction towards you when when

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Speaker 1: the book came out?

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Speaker 12: I guess the best one is my mother, the head

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Speaker 12: of the church, head of the Koban church, raised as

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Speaker 12: a Christian from the Greco. Her father also was a

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Speaker 12: you know, a lay preacher in his religi, etc. So

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Speaker 12: her initial reaction was I'm not taking that book. It

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Speaker 12: took some time for her to realize that this is

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Speaker 12: not an attack on the faith or Christianity. It's an expose,

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Speaker 12: a an exposure of how evil minds were misusing the

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Speaker 12: faith in the conduct of an evil enterprise, and it's

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Speaker 12: in the interests of Christians to actually know what was

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Speaker 12: done in their name. You know, sometimes you're going to

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Speaker 12: protest to say, not in my name, but this is

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Speaker 12: what's been done in the name of those who the

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Speaker 12: Christians revere.

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Speaker 5: And they need to know.

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Speaker 1: They need to know about it, and your thoughts on

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Speaker 1: the cargo though they obviously it's a slave ship, the

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Speaker 1: cargo ancestors we're being used. Is this sort of the

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Speaker 1: way for those who's who are involved in the trash

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Speaker 1: and legs slave trade to sort of, you know, sort

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01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 1: of shay, it's cool, it's okay, because we're doing this.

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Speaker 1: The name of Jesus you get by drift.

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Speaker 12: There was an because yes, there was an element of

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Speaker 12: that amongst the slavers that they. I mean, for example,

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Speaker 12: the guy who wrote the song Amazing Grace, John Newton,

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Speaker 12: and he wrote another song, How Sweet the Name of

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Speaker 12: Jesus Is, But he wrote those songs at that time

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Speaker 12: while he was still involved in the trade. In fact,

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Speaker 12: How Sweet the Name of Jesus was written while he

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01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 12: was on a slave expedition, slaving expedition, So in their

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01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 12: minds they convinced themselves that it was righteous, and they

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Speaker 12: may have been assisted in their thinking by the fact

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Speaker 12: that the enterprise, as I explained in the book, the

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Speaker 12: whole slavery and specifically the enslaving of Africans was actually

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Speaker 12: ordained and blessed by the head of the Catholic Church,

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Speaker 12: the Pope. Paper bar was issued directing them to enslave

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Speaker 12: in perpetuity. So if the authority is coming from the

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Speaker 12: very top of the church in the case of the Catholics,

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Speaker 12: the Pope in the case of the Church of England,

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Speaker 12: or the Anglican Faith from the Queen, it was the

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Speaker 12: head of the church. So the slavers were comfortable in

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Speaker 12: the knowledge that this was a blessed enterprise, a God

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Speaker 12: ordained activity, and so yes, there is that element there.

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Speaker 12: But there was no comfort, of course to our people,

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Speaker 12: largely because anyway, our people were largely shut out from

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Speaker 12: the faith during the dominant years of the enterprise. It

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Speaker 12: was only towards the end, as the trade was to

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Speaker 12: be abolished eighteen oh seven, when they needed they needed

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Speaker 12: missionaries who could cope with the climate in West Africa,

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Speaker 12: and who could they turn to, because of course their

1131
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 12: own people were dying off you know, malaria, etc. So

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Speaker 12: what did they do. They turned to the enslaved Africans

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Speaker 12: in the Americas, in the Caribbean and turn them into missionaries.

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Speaker 12: And so this this is how the faith was used

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Speaker 12: and abused.

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Speaker 1: Would you say twenty seven out the top of our

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Speaker 1: fascinating study by and put it chronicle in a book

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Speaker 1: called a slave ship called Jesus. His name is Daily.

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Speaker 1: A gun has joined us from London. He's an attorney

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Speaker 1: and also the author of the book You want to

1141
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: reach him family, got a question? Hit us up at

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy

1143
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Speaker 1: six Daily? Is this the reason why so many in

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Speaker 1: our in the black communities just across the Americas, not

1145
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 1: just in the United States, but in the Caribbean, in

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Speaker 1: South America as well, a sort of used religion as

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Speaker 1: a sort of a clutch. You know, we seem to

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Speaker 1: be more religious than other groups. Is this was this

1149
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 1: all this part of what started in the enslavement of

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Speaker 1: our ancestors.

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Speaker 12: Yes, I think you can trace it to that, because

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01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 12: it's in the midst of death opiration. People look for solace,

1153
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 12: and they look for help, and they look for support

1154
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 12: from any directions it comes, and faith and hope is

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01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 12: the easiest thing to spell, especially to those who in despair.

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01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 12: You can imagine the condition of people on those plantations.

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01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:24,679
Speaker 12: And so when it came around eighteen oh seven, as

1158
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 12: the abolition of the trade was now in prospect and

1159
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 12: they were now being introduced to the Bible, because bear

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01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 12: in mind, during the trade, the one thing they never

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01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,679
Speaker 12: taught the Africans was how to read, because they knew

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01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 12: that that would empowered them. And even in eighteen oh seven,

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01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 12: when abolition of the trade was about to happen, they

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01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 12: made sure that the version of the Bible that was

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01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 12: produced was a slave Bible, and they extracted those parts

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01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 12: of the conventional bide that might empower the thinking of

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Speaker 12: the Africans. And so coming back to your point, in despair,

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Speaker 12: one looks for hope and you look for it anywhere.

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01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 12: And the Bible and the scripture offered them solace, offered them, comfort,

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01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 12: offered them reassurance that blessed the meek, for Na should

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01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 12: inherit the earth. And so it made them. It was

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01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 12: a deliberate strategy to tone down and abate the anger

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01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 12: and that our people's were feeling and that's become a

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01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 12: legacy of that and it's carried on since then. You know,

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01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 12: the worst the light of governance in Africa. You find

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01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 12: that people in despair will look to the heavens. You know,

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01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:53,640
Speaker 12: it seems as if the earthly instruments aren't working and

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01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 12: you look for an extra terrestrial solution.

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Speaker 1: Up there. We got a tree question. But I got

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Speaker 1: to ask you this found family just checking in. I

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01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 1: guess is daily a gun. He's written a book called

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01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 1: a slave Ship called Jesus. He's checking in from London

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Speaker 1: this morning. And my question to you is this how

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Speaker 1: they control us is in your thoughts? They use religion

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01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 1: to control us in your thoughts?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 12: Absolutely, Religion. As I said, it's an instrument and depends

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01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:28,600
Speaker 12: like a knife. You can use it constructively or you

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01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 12: can use it negatively. And then the narrative is how

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01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 12: most people are controlled because communication, that's what we're doing

1191
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 12: right now. Communication is the art of influence, and so

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01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 12: the narrative is what controls the situation. And part of

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01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 12: the narrative that they pushed out, which I was very

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Speaker 12: keen to address in the book, is the narrative that

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Speaker 12: it was Africans who were selling their own people. Now

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01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 12: you can imagine how deadly that is if that's true.

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01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 12: But it's not, because, as I explained in them, what

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Speaker 12: was actually happening was that they were kidnapping. They were

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Speaker 12: kidnapping our people's That's why they had to pass the law.

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Speaker 12: You know, people don't know about it is in seventeen

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Speaker 12: forty ninety English Parliament past the law prohibiting the kidnapping

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01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 12: of Africans. Now, if there was a free market and

1203
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 12: Africans were selling their own people, why are they going

1204
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 12: to have to pass the law, And this is seventeen

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Speaker 12: forty nine, and they entered the trade in fifteen sixty.

1206
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 12: Why are you passing the law hav many hundreds of

1207
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 12: years down the road prohibiting the kidnapping of Africans. And

1208
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 12: that's part of how the strategy to keep us down.

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01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 12: You keep pass hating ourselves, not just hating each other,

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01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 12: but hating ourselves personally because it demeans, doesn't it If

1211
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 12: you feel that you're of a people whose moral standards

1212
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 12: were so low that they could actually sell you, think

1213
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 12: what that does to your confidence? Because confidence is everything.

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01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 12: With confidence, you can rule the world, absolutely you can.

1215
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:12,639
Speaker 12: But without confidence you can't do anything. So it's like crippling.

1216
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 12: You cripple the person once you take their confidence away.

1217
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,679
Speaker 12: And the purpose of my writing is to restore that confidence.

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01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 12: And before just to mention this other aspect of restoring confidence.

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01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 12: The big story in the book is about abolition, the

1220
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 12: real story of abolition, because they will you know, narrative,

1221
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 12: as I said, is powerful, and they're not going to

1222
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 12: write the narratives that will empower our people. It is

1223
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:36,600
Speaker 12: down to us to do the research and tell the

1224
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 12: true story. And the true story of abolition, as I

1225
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 12: explained in the book, is that it was the Africans

1226
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 12: in Haiti, starting with the Africans in America, who put

1227
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,719
Speaker 12: their lives on the line and fought for their freedom.

1228
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 12: Now that story is not told, but it's told in

1229
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:53,719
Speaker 12: the book.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you did that. Twenty six away from the top,

1231
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 1: they have family or I I got a tweet for you.

1232
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 1: Deli has joined us from London. This book is called

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01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 1: a slave. You've called Jesus. We'll let you know how

1234
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 1: you can get the book before he leaves. But my

1235
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 1: question to you again that the narrative that you talk

1236
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 1: about they tell our people that you know We're going

1237
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 1: to die and go to heaven in Jesus name. But

1238
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 1: what for the other folks, enslavers? Heaven is right here

1239
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 1: on earth. They're enjoyed, they get all the spoils. But

1240
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 1: they tell our people we got to suffer and then

1241
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,680
Speaker 1: once we die we will be we'll go into the

1242
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 1: land of glory. Can you address that issue for us

1243
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: at Delhi?

1244
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 12: Well, that's all That's what control is all about.

1245
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 6: It.

1246
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:37,680
Speaker 12: It's in the midst of scarcity or the perception of scarcity.

1247
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 12: The powerful uh will find the tools to make sure

1248
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 12: that they hog whatever is available. And what better than

1249
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:52,679
Speaker 12: to say, the meek show inherit here. So you become

1250
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:59,599
Speaker 12: comfortable with your condition. You are not competing, You're you're

1251
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 12: in for competition or to insist on your fair share

1252
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 12: is diminished by the narratives that don't worry. The more

1253
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 12: humble you are, the better your future. Just wait for

1254
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 12: your enjoyment, and in the meantime they are busy and enjoying.

1255
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 12: Twenty four to seven, Yeah, I.

1256
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 1: Got a couple of tweets for you, Delli. Twenty five

1257
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 1: away from the Top. Yeah, this one's from Leroy down

1258
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 1: in Louisiana, says ask him about how does he feel

1259
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 1: about the Trump administration and Trump supporters who want to

1260
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 1: turn the United States into a complete white Christian nation,

1261
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 1: and will that have any negative fact upon other religion

1262
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:40,719
Speaker 1: religious perspectives in this country.

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Speaker 12: Well, I mean, the Trump factor is interesting because there

1264
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 12: are somethings he does right. I know, most things he

1265
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 12: winds people up and gets to back up, But there

1266
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:59,640
Speaker 12: are somethings he gets right. You see, I prefer a

1267
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 12: hate who advertises his hatred or at least is disrespect

1268
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 12: for me from a distance. I can see it coming

1269
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 12: and you can position yourself to respond to it, as

1270
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 12: opposed to the ones who pretend to love you get

1271
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 12: close to you, because they're the ones who are going

1272
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 12: to do you much more damage. Now, the positive in

1273
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 12: Trump's comments recently is when he pinpointed the genocide, the

1274
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:32,560
Speaker 12: Christian genocide that's taking place in Nigeria and now the

1275
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,640
Speaker 12: Bidens do a Bamas, etc. They will never put their

1276
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,680
Speaker 12: finger on there is because Trump is just pursuing his

1277
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 12: own agenda. He doesn't play by the rule book. So

1278
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:46,640
Speaker 12: these audience is the Christian Christian community in America, and

1279
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 12: he knows that he's going to score the Brownie points

1280
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 12: by being able to pinpoint this issue. But it's real.

1281
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 12: It's real because when and this is part of the

1282
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 12: legacy of the slave because one of the things I

1283
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 12: explained in the book is that slavery led straight to

1284
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 12: colonization because under the guise of cleaning up their mess

1285
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 12: and abolishing slavery, that is what the British and the

1286
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 12: French used as a cover story to now grab effectively

1287
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 12: the whole of Africa and in raise and council the

1288
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 12: original identities, our real nations Yoruba, Ibo, houser Jo, etc.

1289
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 12: In the case of Nigeria, they're actually in Nigeria. They're

1290
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 12: three hundred and seventy one a regional, self governing nations

1291
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 12: that were now lumped together and called Nigeria, all speaking

1292
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 12: English language. That's the only way we can interact with

1293
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 12: each other, whereas our original languages are still there. So

1294
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:02,640
Speaker 12: and a keep of what they did in order to

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Speaker 12: arrest our developments was to amalgamate a Christian half with

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Speaker 12: an Islamic half. That was deliberate, that was on purpose,

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Speaker 12: And that's what Trump has put his finger. So I

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Speaker 12: don't hold I thought.

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Speaker 1: Right there, we gotta step aside and take the news

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Speaker 1: in our different cities. When we come back to Olectics

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Speaker 1: and finished talking about that and don't tell us do

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Speaker 1: you think that if Donald Trump is sincere concerned about

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Speaker 1: Christian Nigerians or it's just just political expedience, he's making

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Speaker 1: a move. Family YouTube can join our conversation with our

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Speaker 1: guests Daily Gunish colonists from London. He's written a book

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Speaker 1: called a slave Ship called Jesus. What are your thoughts?

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Speaker 1: Reach out to us at eight hundred four or five

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Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we take calls after

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Speaker 1: the news update that's next and Grand Rising Family, thanks

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Speaker 1: for staying with us on this Thursday morning with our

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Speaker 1: guests and Daily our gun Delhi's and authors and attorneys

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Speaker 1: based in London, England. It's written a book called a

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Speaker 1: slave Ship called Jesus. Before we go back to let

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Speaker 1: me just remind you come up later this morning. We're

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Speaker 1: going to hear from civil rights icon Willie Rix. So

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Speaker 1: some of you know that he was part of the

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Speaker 1: civil rights group of the Snake in March with Doctor King,

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Speaker 1: also Stokely Carmichael Okwameterray and also John Lewis, Marion Barry

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Speaker 1: all part of Snake East, partly in fact, he was

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Speaker 1: one who coined the phrase black power. So he's gonna

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Speaker 1: be here, and we're gonna talk politics with him. Before

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Speaker 1: we do that, though, we're gonna speak with economists doctor

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Speaker 1: Julian Malveaux. Doctor Malvaux is gonna give us an issue

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Speaker 1: of report card on the nation's economy. Donald Trump says,

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Speaker 1: we're doing fine. I will hear what doctor Malva. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, she's an MIT graduate, so she's no

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Speaker 1: slash when it comes to the economy. And Tomorrow's Friday,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna give you a chance to free your mind.

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Speaker 1: That means think for yourself. Join us on our open

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Speaker 1: Phone Friday program again promptly at six am Eastern Time,

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Speaker 1: right here in Baltimore on ten ten w LB in

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Speaker 1: the Washington, DC metropolitan here the DMV. We're on fourteen

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Speaker 1: fifteen w L. All right, DEALI I'm gonna let you

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Speaker 1: finish your response, and I got to tweet, somewhat tweet

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Speaker 1: the question for you.

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Speaker 12: Yeah. I was making point that the problem is not

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Speaker 12: the spotlight that he's put on the Christian genocide that's

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Speaker 12: taking place in parts of Nigeria. The real issue is

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Speaker 12: the president of Nigeria and the leadership of Nigeria and

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Speaker 12: their neglect of the issue. So we shouldn't be jumping

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Speaker 12: down Trump's throat. Whatever his motivation. Yes, he may not

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Speaker 12: be losing sleep over the death of how many Africans, etc.

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Speaker 12: But at least he's shown more concern, more interest in

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Speaker 12: the issue than those who are supposed to have responsibility

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Speaker 12: for dealing with it.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha thirty away from the topic, Della Tweeter says, So

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Speaker 1: this is Lisa says, what if any reaction for the

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Speaker 1: preachers in the UK to your book.

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Speaker 12: The preachers in the UK, Uh, Well, it has been

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Speaker 12: seen at a high level.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 12: I'm thinking of the title of one of the one

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Speaker 12: of the There's a church in Clapham who were the

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Speaker 12: original abolitionist movement, and I know that the head of

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Speaker 12: that church has received it, but there's been no response

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Speaker 12: yet they line on the lob because of course it's embarrasseding.

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Speaker 12: You can imagine this is the Church of England and

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Speaker 12: this was the head of the church, Queen Elizabeth, who

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Speaker 12: was leading the way in the abuse of the name

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Speaker 12: of Jesus and other holy names. And so yet it's

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Speaker 12: not surprising that they're not jumping for joy at the moment.

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Speaker 1: So you're saying that the slave trade being slavers go

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Speaker 1: all the way to the to the king and the Queen,

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Speaker 1: the monarchy in the UK.

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Speaker 12: In Britain, oh absolutely, I mean it's a man as

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Speaker 12: I said, it is not just in Britain, but most

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Speaker 12: definitely this was the trade started. The first expeditions was

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Speaker 12: fifteen sixty two by John Hawkins. His second expedition, the

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Speaker 12: Queen of England, who was the head of the Church

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Speaker 12: of England at the time. She was a joint venture

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Speaker 12: partner in that exercise and she made a return of

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Speaker 12: sixty percent on that venture. And she was there again

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Speaker 12: in the future ventures. And so yes, the blood runs

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Speaker 12: right onto the hands of the royal family. And likewise

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Speaker 12: it was the pope on the Catholic side that issued

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Speaker 12: the papal blessing and sanctioned for the enterprises. Because the Indians,

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Speaker 12: you see how the acthoms started being enslaved. Far from

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Speaker 12: the narrative that we were selling our own people and

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Speaker 12: we had a slave trade going on. What happened was

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Speaker 12: that the native Indian in Haiti in the Caribbean, in

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Speaker 12: the Americas, they were the ones being enslaved first in

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Speaker 12: their own lands by these European intruders. But they were

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Speaker 12: dying off the diseases that the European intruders were afflicting

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Speaker 12: them with, together with the sorrow of enslavement in your

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Speaker 12: very own land, that was causing a high rate of

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Speaker 12: mortality amongst the Native Indians. And it was it was

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Speaker 12: a fellow got a sainthood afterwards, Saint Bartholomew, who are

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Speaker 12: appealed to the Pope to intervene to spare the native Indians,

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Speaker 12: and that's when they directed that the Africans are available.

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Speaker 12: So that's how we got roped in.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow. And there's an island in the Caribbean named

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Speaker 1: after him, Saint Barts, so they just called St.

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Speaker 3: Barts.

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Speaker 12: That's correctly, that's right, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 12: Yes, he was regarded as the protector of the Indians,

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Speaker 12: and it was in the quest to protect the Indians

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Speaker 12: who were being decimated, jenocided in the process, being worked

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Speaker 12: to death together with the diseases. Except that's when they

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Speaker 12: now said leave the Indians alone, you can take the

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Speaker 12: African And so yes, it goes right up to the

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Speaker 12: very top.

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Speaker 1: Turn away from the top of our family. I guess

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Speaker 1: this attorney and author Deli A. Gun has written a

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Speaker 1: book called a slation called Jesus is Checking in with

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Speaker 1: Us from London and nine away from the top of

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Speaker 1: the are My question to you though, you mentioned that

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Speaker 1: this goes all the way up the top to the

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Speaker 1: royal family and also the Pope signed off on this.

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Speaker 1: Was there any collusion did you know? Did your research

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Speaker 1: show where those groups met with each other and decide, Hey,

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Speaker 1: we're going to go to Africa and we're going to

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Speaker 1: pick up some folks and sell them on the other

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Speaker 1: side of the Atlantic Ocean. Did that come up in

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Speaker 1: your research? Did you find anything? Oh?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Because bear in mind the whole of Europe,

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01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 12: including Britain, originally was Catholic and so everybody was under

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Speaker 12: the command of the Pope. He was like the emperor

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Speaker 12: of the whole world, so everybody obeyed his dictat It

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01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 12: was only later when Henry Yates needed his divorce, and

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01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 12: Catholicism you couldn't get a divorce, so that's what triggered

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Speaker 12: his establishment of his own church, the Church of England.

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Speaker 12: So there was there was there was collusion all the

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Speaker 12: way through. No doubt about it. And the reason why

1425
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Speaker 12: this narrative is becoming so central now is this big

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Speaker 12: players are now jumping in. I've observed that Elon Musk

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Speaker 12: on his ex platform has gone on the front foot

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Speaker 12: to start arguing that what's the big deal about the

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Speaker 12: African slave trade and enslavement. There's always been slavery, That's

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Speaker 12: that's the argument he's been pushing that slavery has been

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Speaker 12: around since the beginning of time. But as the as

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Speaker 12: the rejoinder, here's the answer. It's like farming. Farming has

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Speaker 12: been around since the beginning of time, but there's farming

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Speaker 12: with a hoe and there's farming like monsanto. They're not

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Speaker 12: the same thing. The what the the the slave enslavement,

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Speaker 12: even in the Arab worlds was very different because, uh,

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Speaker 12: the enslaved were taken into the society, into the community.

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Speaker 12: They were largely domestic helpless. Whereas the plantation slavery, which

1439
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:45,680
Speaker 12: is a transatlantic one that was industrial and commercial, that

1440
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:54,280
Speaker 12: was working the enslaved systematically to death. That was extreme brutalization.

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Speaker 12: That was never a hallmark of the original historic slavery

1442
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Speaker 12: that the world knew. So it's almost that we needed

1443
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 12: a different word or what happened slavery is almost disrespecting

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01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 12: and insulting those earlier practitioners. When we're talking about the

1445
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:19,600
Speaker 12: plantation slavery, the Transatlantic one, this is pure evil. This

1446
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 12: is something completely different. So it's a nonsense where mask

1447
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 12: Is on his platform is going around saying well, slavery

1448
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 12: has been around since time immemorial. Farming and farming are

1449
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:36,560
Speaker 12: very very different things. Slavery as it was, which was

1450
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 12: largely domestic, the enslaved, even in the Roman times, could

1451
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Speaker 12: always become somebody in the society. It was not racial.

1452
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 12: This one was racial. This one was first the Indians

1453
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:54,680
Speaker 12: almost to the point of being wiped out, and then

1454
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 12: at that point switching to the Africans. It was racial,

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01:27:58,120 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 12: and that's what makes it so different.

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Speaker 1: Six away from the top there with Delia Gunnis book

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Speaker 1: is called a slation called Jesus. You mentioned the Arab

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Speaker 1: Did you talk about the Arab Arab role in the

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Speaker 1: slave trade as.

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Speaker 12: Well, Deli, Yes, absolutely, because the Arab slave trade, the

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Speaker 12: trans Saharan one, is much older than the Transatlantic one,

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Speaker 12: much older, but it was different for this reason. They

1463
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 12: did not have new lands that they were colonizing. You

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Speaker 12: see in the case of the transatlantic one, it was

1465
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 12: double jeopardy. First of all, they took lands belonging to

1466
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Speaker 12: the Native Indians, the Haiti, the Jamaica, the Barbadas, and

1467
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Speaker 12: the Americas. They took the lands from those people's jennacided

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Speaker 12: them in the course of the early part of the trade.

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Speaker 12: And then add another layer, which is now they had

1470
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Speaker 12: these lands that they needed to populate with labor, and

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Speaker 12: that's when they came for our people, the people of Africa.

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Speaker 12: And now added that extra layer. The Arabs didn't have

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Speaker 12: lands that they had colonized. The only place that they

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01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 12: could take whoever they were enslaving to was into Arabia

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01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 12: tef and they were part of the society. And there's

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Speaker 12: a limit that provides a constraint on the level of

1477
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 12: mistreatment that you can inflict in open society. It's a

1478
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Speaker 12: bit like you know, plantation slavery Transatlantic one. The nearest

1479
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 12: equivalent is if you think about Guantanamo Bay. There's a

1480
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 12: difference between you treat the way you treat prisoners out

1481
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 12: of sight in grant Alamo Bay and those were imprisoned

1482
01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:45,280
Speaker 12: in mainland and America out of sight, out of mind,

1483
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 12: no rules no limits, no boundary.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha, listen, we got to check the traffic and within

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01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 1: our differences. I wanted you to stay stick around for

1486
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes more because I got a tweet

1487
01:29:57,439 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 1: question for it, and I'm going to read the tweet

1488
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:00,559
Speaker 1: question now that you think about and then you can

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01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:03,439
Speaker 1: respond when we get back. Tweeter says, if they use

1490
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Speaker 1: religion to control us, isn't it dangerous for us not

1491
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 1: to believe in the White Jesus? Was all I guess

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01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 1: the tweeter is saying. Is all this part of a plan?

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01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 1: Let me read again. I guess I'm messing up in

1494
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:18,600
Speaker 1: the If they use religion to control is it so?

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01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:23,559
Speaker 1: Isn't dangerous? Isn't it dangerous for us not to believe

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01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:25,519
Speaker 1: in the White Jesus? Let you respond to that. I

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01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 1: hope you got it. The sald's convoluted to me. But anyway,

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01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 1: three minutes away from the top, they have families. I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: you've got a step aside. Get caught up with the

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Speaker 1: lady's traffic, weather and our different cities. We'll come back

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01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 1: with Deadly Gun's response is written a book. It's called

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01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 1: a slave ship called Jesus. You want to speak to him.

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01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 1: Reach out to us at eight hundred four five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take your phone calls

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Speaker 1: after the news, after the traffic and weather that's next,

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Speaker 1: and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on

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Speaker 1: this Thursday morning. I guess is a daily a gun.

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01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 1: He's calling us from London. He's written a book called

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01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:55,280
Speaker 1: the Slave Ship called Jesus. It's an attorney as well.

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Speaker 1: Before we left, though, I had a question for him,

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Speaker 1: and the tweeter retool the question because as it's fumbling

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Speaker 1: all over, I think there's some auto correction going there.

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Speaker 1: So the question now is now that we know they

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Speaker 1: use religion worldwide to control us, how can we save ourselves?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 12: Great, great question. I think the key to it is

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01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 12: this is to treat religion as a potentially potentially dangerous products.

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01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:32,720
Speaker 12: It can use the right way. It can be very

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01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:37,680
Speaker 12: very helpful, and can be supportive, and can be inspirational

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01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:41,720
Speaker 12: and empowered, but at the same time, it can be

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Speaker 12: poisonous and we've got to be we've got to be

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Speaker 12: mindful of that. And my own view is that because

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01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 12: these books, both the Bible and the Qur'an, these are

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01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 12: books of really sophisticated literature, and what's happening and what

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01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:02,679
Speaker 12: historically what has happened is that those very sophisticated books,

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01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 12: which are difficult to understand their true meaning, the true message,

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01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 12: they've been put into people's hands from a very very

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01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:15,280
Speaker 12: young age. They actually almost should be carrying health warnings

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01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 12: a bit like cigarette packs. You know, it could give

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01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 12: you pleasure, but it could damage you. And both the

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01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:26,640
Speaker 12: Quran and the Bible ought to carry health aulings to

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01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:30,680
Speaker 12: say handle with care. Because you speak to some of

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01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 12: the pastors and say, look, I can I how does

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Speaker 12: this make sense that a bear came out of the

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01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:42,400
Speaker 12: woods because children were calling Elijah, body, go up, body,

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Speaker 12: go up boardy and he points the staff at them,

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Speaker 12: and the bear comes out of the woods and tears

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Speaker 12: these children into pieces. And how can I relate that?

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01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 12: How does a young person relate that to the world

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01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 12: that they live in. And what they'll tell you is

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01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:03,200
Speaker 12: that or it needs sort of the Holy Spirit. You

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01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 12: need to read it with the Holy Spirit in order

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01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:09,320
Speaker 12: to understand what the true message of that is well,

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01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 12: in which case it needs to be wrapped. And this

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01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 12: is true of the Koran as well, where their passages

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01:33:16,640 --> 01:33:20,520
Speaker 12: in the Qur'an which is directing the killing of the infidels.

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Speaker 12: And of course the believers will come and try and

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Speaker 12: explain in the way and dilute the the literal message.

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Speaker 12: And this is why I say that both books ought

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01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:36,280
Speaker 12: to be come with a wrapper. Beware, be careful, and

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01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:38,800
Speaker 12: that's the only way we can save ourselves if you

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01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 12: keep the brakes on. The greatest gifts that our creator

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01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:48,519
Speaker 12: gave us is our power to think and to think

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Speaker 12: through and filter, because the mind is the filter for

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01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:55,400
Speaker 12: all poison that's aimed at us in whatever form it comes,

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Speaker 12: and provided we'll keep the filter switched on whenever we're

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Speaker 12: reading anything. Then, truly, you, though you walk in the

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Speaker 12: value of death, I fear no evil because the brain

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01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:11,920
Speaker 12: is always switched on to really filter and dilute the

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01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:16,840
Speaker 12: message that's coming through anything else. It's like radiation is

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Speaker 12: a full exposure, and he'll kill you.

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Speaker 1: Wow, thank you, Deli, thank you, Mamma Tellia, Julian, doctor

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Speaker 1: Julian Manu man. But let's take a call real quick

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Speaker 1: for you from Baltimore, Kareem and Baltimore is a quick

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01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:33,240
Speaker 1: question for you, Kaream, can you make it real quick

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Speaker 1: for Dahli are going.

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Speaker 15: Yes, I just wanted to ask if he ever heard

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Speaker 15: of a book called The Scourge of Spain. It's about

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Speaker 15: John Hardy Hawkin and how he enslaved Africans in Africa.

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Speaker 15: It's a good book, The Purge of Spain, The Scourge

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Speaker 15: of Spain. That's the name of the book.

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Speaker 12: The Girch The Scourge of Spain. No, I haven't, but

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01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:02,200
Speaker 12: I was slightly correct narrative because what he did at

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01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 12: Hawkins he kidnapped. On his first trip, he kidnapped a

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Speaker 12: boatload of Africans on the coast of sier Leo. It

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01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:12,880
Speaker 12: was about three hundred of them.

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Speaker 11: He kidnapped them.

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Speaker 12: But what he did he sailed off to them and

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Speaker 12: sold them in. He sold them in Haiti. So in

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01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:24,799
Speaker 12: his early expedition he wasn't actually running any plantation or anything.

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Speaker 12: He was just kidnapping and selling. Yes, but that book, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, thanks Carey. I wanted to come a park real quick.

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Speaker 1: Your question for Delhi.

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Speaker 11: My question is could you talk about the Royal African

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Speaker 11: Company in their relationship to slavery. The Royal Abitan Company

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01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:52,680
Speaker 11: heard of that.

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Speaker 12: Right, that's right, Yes, it was formed by the It

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01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:04,679
Speaker 12: was formed by the King of England. It was around

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Speaker 12: about sixteen sixteen sixty three is how it started, and

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Speaker 12: its full title was the Company of Royal Adventurers of

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Speaker 12: England Trade into Africa, and that's when they received the

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Speaker 12: Royal Charter and it was headed by the Duke of

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Speaker 12: York who was a future King of England. He became

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01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:33,400
Speaker 12: King James, King James the Second. Now, so this is

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Speaker 12: the evidence that the trade had sanctioned all the way

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Speaker 12: to the very top of England, right up to the

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Speaker 12: King and the Duke of York. This was a corporate

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Speaker 12: venture and it was in seventeen I mentioned this earlier,

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Speaker 12: seventeen forty nine that they passed the Act Trade into

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Speaker 12: Africa Act that prohibited the kidnapping of Africans for enslavement.

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Speaker 12: And it was in seventeen fifty two that the Royal

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Speaker 12: Africa Company was dissolved. So it had a royal charter

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01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 12: if you're looking for if you had any doubts about

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01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 12: whether this enterprise was blessed by the Royal family, was

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Speaker 12: approved by them. The principal company, and that company was

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Speaker 12: the one that was transporting Africans to the Americans because

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Speaker 12: the original American settlers, you know, the ones who came

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Speaker 12: on a mayflower, et cetera. They actually didn't want participation

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Speaker 12: in the slave trade. They wanted a white America. It

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Speaker 12: was the They wanted an industrial economy rather than the

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01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:58,640
Speaker 12: slave plantation economy. It was the English king that was

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Speaker 12: James the second, that was insisting on transporting Africans and

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Speaker 12: this was the company that was used, and the numbers

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01:38:08,479 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 12: just escalated because they wanted to What they were seeking

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01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:17,680
Speaker 12: to create in America was a slave plantation economy on

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Speaker 12: the model of Barbados, on the model of Jamaica, et cetera.

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Speaker 14: So that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Deli a gun call us from London, Delhi. How

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01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:30,160
Speaker 1: can folks get your book? And family? The book is

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Speaker 1: called a Slave You called Jesus. How can we pick

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01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:33,240
Speaker 1: up the bookuet on the States?

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01:38:34,360 --> 01:38:36,960
Speaker 12: It's only via Amazon. Unfortunately, we're trying to get it

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01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:40,479
Speaker 12: into the bookshops there, but it's on Amazon dot com.

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01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:42,160
Speaker 12: That's where you.

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Speaker 1: Get it, all right, brave brother. So I want to

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Speaker 1: thank you for doing that book. A bunch of folks

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Speaker 1: more question but they were always usually they wait to

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Speaker 1: the last minute. But I thank you again for joining us.

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Speaker 12: Thanks so much, Car, Thank you Africans in America.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. Deli. Deli organ is an author, is

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Speaker 1: also an attorney in London, has written the book and

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01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:05,600
Speaker 1: family do your research on The book is called a

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01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:08,479
Speaker 1: slave ship called Jesus. This book is uh. Tony Brader

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01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:10,920
Speaker 1: recommended us that we get Deli on there and shared

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01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:13,479
Speaker 1: all this information with your family, So I'll leave it

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Speaker 1: right there. Ten after the top of the doctor Julian Malveaux,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being so patient with us this morning.

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Speaker 1: Grand rising, great rising to you, Carl, doctor Malveaux. We're

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01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:26,960
Speaker 1: coming to what's the end of the year. Donald Trump

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01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:29,400
Speaker 1: says the economy is doing fine. If you had to

1641
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:34,160
Speaker 1: grave the economy and the Trump administration's uh administration of

1642
01:39:34,280 --> 01:39:36,240
Speaker 1: the economy, what would you do? What grade would you

1643
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:36,599
Speaker 1: give them?

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01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:38,560
Speaker 6: A D?

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01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 13: A simple D, maybe a D minus. But I'm trying

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01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:44,919
Speaker 13: to be slightly generous.

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01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:46,800
Speaker 16: Yeah.

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01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:50,000
Speaker 13: No, the economy is not doing well. You know, the

1649
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:55,040
Speaker 13: macro numbers look okay, okay, but just staying at a

1650
01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:58,479
Speaker 13: grocery store talk to somebody. Yesterday, I had a walked

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01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:01,800
Speaker 13: up the street to get a haircut and was walking

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01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:05,360
Speaker 13: back down Fourteenth Street. I was approached by at least

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01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:10,120
Speaker 13: three people, a couple who just wanted, you know, a handout.

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01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:12,640
Speaker 13: Do you have the extra money? I don't understand the

1655
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:16,880
Speaker 13: concept of extra money, but anyway, you know, brother say

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01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:18,920
Speaker 13: he's docs, do you have any extra He recognized me.

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01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:21,639
Speaker 13: I gave him five. You know, we talked for a minute.

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01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:24,880
Speaker 13: He was talking about how challenging it is. But that's

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01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 13: that's my micro of reflection. Talk to anybody anywhere, unless

1660
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:35,639
Speaker 13: you're in the high in the mid six figures, maybe

1661
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:40,080
Speaker 13: the low six figures, you're you're you're stealing something. So

1662
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:42,280
Speaker 13: I don't know where Trump he doesn't go to the

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01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:47,160
Speaker 13: grocery store, obviously, but I don't know where he gets

1664
01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:50,760
Speaker 13: his information from. So but but we do though that

1665
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:52,320
Speaker 13: he doesn't get information from anywhere.

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01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:53,120
Speaker 14: He just makes it up.

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01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:56,400
Speaker 13: And so he says the economy is doing well. The

1668
01:40:56,560 --> 01:41:00,320
Speaker 13: numbers don't show that. I think the yes to day,

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01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:05,600
Speaker 13: the drop in the inflationary not the inflatiaray, but the

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01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:08,960
Speaker 13: drop and the interest rate from the SAD was a

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01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:15,200
Speaker 13: desperation move because half of them march marks the beat.

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Speaker 5: Of a Trump drummer.

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Speaker 13: It's a desperation move.

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Speaker 4: Is not going to fix anything, and it's really very challenging.

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Speaker 13: To look at what's going on and look at how

1676
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:31,800
Speaker 13: people are living, and look at what people are experiencing.

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01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:36,599
Speaker 13: You we can talk all the numbers we want. Nothing

1678
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:42,080
Speaker 13: can replace individual experiences. At about sixty percent, that's most

1679
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:45,080
Speaker 13: of us, Carl, about sixty percent of all Americans are

1680
01:41:45,120 --> 01:41:47,000
Speaker 13: saying and don't trust this economy.

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01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:52,519
Speaker 1: And doctor Manveaux family just rolling with us. I guess

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01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:56,760
Speaker 1: is doctor Julian Malveaux. She's economists, the MIT trained economists.

1683
01:41:56,760 --> 01:41:58,719
Speaker 1: I should say she's one of the best in the business.

1684
01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:01,439
Speaker 1: And analyzing the money thirteen half the top day you

1685
01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:02,880
Speaker 1: want to speak to our reach out to us at

1686
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:05,320
Speaker 1: eight hundred and four or five zero seventy eight is

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01:42:05,400 --> 01:42:08,320
Speaker 1: seventy six, doctor Malvo? How can they come to these

1688
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 1: numbers when the government has not released any of you know,

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01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:15,760
Speaker 1: economic figures in such quite some time because of the

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Speaker 1: I guess the government's shut down. We don't know what

1691
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:19,560
Speaker 1: the employment rate is, we don't know what's going on

1692
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:22,400
Speaker 1: the other factors that come. Wall Street doesn't know how

1693
01:42:22,760 --> 01:42:25,479
Speaker 1: to budget code going into the new year. So how

1694
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:28,880
Speaker 1: how difficult is them for us to understand? For them?

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01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:31,760
Speaker 1: The Trump administrations, You say that comedy is doing well

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01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:35,000
Speaker 1: when they can't prove it. Yeah, I usually use they

1697
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:35,560
Speaker 1: can't prove it.

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01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:38,479
Speaker 13: You know, they can't prove it. They you know, they're

1699
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:42,439
Speaker 13: full of nonsense. As you know, there are alternative measures.

1700
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:46,760
Speaker 4: The federal data is the best data, or has been

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01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:47,680
Speaker 4: in the past.

1702
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:52,320
Speaker 13: But you also have data from term Society of Human

1703
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:57,439
Speaker 13: Resource Management. They collect numbers from various employers. We're hearing

1704
01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 13: about people like Amazon and others or laying people off

1705
01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:05,919
Speaker 13: because of AI. So we were getting other information besides

1706
01:43:06,040 --> 01:43:10,720
Speaker 13: the official documentation, and that other information we're getting is

1707
01:43:10,840 --> 01:43:14,080
Speaker 13: not good. What we're hearing is people across the board

1708
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:17,280
Speaker 13: saying they're laying people off. So while we don't have

1709
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:20,240
Speaker 13: the government data, what we know is that people are

1710
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:23,360
Speaker 13: girding themselves for layoffs. The other thing called we have

1711
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:27,200
Speaker 13: to bear in mind is that the government shutdown, which

1712
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:30,040
Speaker 13: was the longest we've had, may have just been a

1713
01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:34,000
Speaker 13: prelude to the next shutdown. In other words, if everything

1714
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:37,120
Speaker 13: is not worked out by January thirtieth, we may shut

1715
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:40,680
Speaker 13: down again. Now I'm not predicting that or hoping for that,

1716
01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:44,320
Speaker 13: but it's a clear possibility. It's a fifty to fifty

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Speaker 13: possibility that government will shut down again unless they do something.

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Speaker 13: And the third thing, Carl is you and I have discussed,

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Speaker 13: as many have discussed, is a whole healthcare situation. Last evening,

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Speaker 13: of course, Congress meant they're trying to figure out a

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Speaker 13: short term solution. But when they open government again, they

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Speaker 13: said there would be some solution. Many Democrats, but not

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Speaker 13: enough Republicans are saying, let's just hold the over Obama

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Speaker 13: subsidies for another year so that people don't have to

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Speaker 13: be scrambling and tripping, and let's have these people sit

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Speaker 13: down and have a Cojing conversation so something can happen

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Speaker 13: in another year. So we have those pressures, many pressures

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Speaker 13: hitting on the economy.

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts about Obamacare? Is it going to go away?

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Speaker 1: Is it going to extend it? Is it going to

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Speaker 1: be modified?

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Speaker 13: We don't know.

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Speaker 14: What we do know is that.

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Speaker 13: Obamacare subsidies for big help for a lot of people.

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Speaker 13: Democrats has always played a short game. So what happened

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Speaker 13: is they said, well, they'll expire at the end of

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Speaker 13: twenty twenty five. So that's where we are now, the

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Speaker 13: end of twenty twenty five. What does that mean. It

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01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:03,880
Speaker 13: means that people are.

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Speaker 4: Going to see.

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Speaker 13: Ten to thirty percent, if not more, increases in their

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Speaker 13: health insurance premiums. I got mine yesterday. They're not high

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Speaker 13: high high. That's my Medicare advantage program. But there everything

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Speaker 13: I have is ten dollars more a month. Okay, everything

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01:45:28,240 --> 01:45:29,920
Speaker 13: I have is ten dollars more month. I haven't really

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Speaker 13: gone through to analyze it, but that's a high end

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Speaker 13: plan at ten dollars more month. What are other people seeing?

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Speaker 13: So we don't know. Again, A Foon promised the Democrats

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Speaker 13: Schumer that there will be a conversation before the end

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Speaker 13: of the year about what's happening with hell insurance. But see,

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01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:56,519
Speaker 13: a conversation is not a solution. And they're scheduled to

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Speaker 13: leave carl on Friday, November twelfth, is supposed to be

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Speaker 13: the last day of legislative deliberations. Now that may not

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Speaker 13: be the case. They may say over they often do.

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Speaker 13: But let's just be clear. We're in crunch time.

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Speaker 9: We're in crunch time, all right, and hold that thought

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Speaker 9: right there.

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Speaker 1: Seventeen after the top of our sister Serta, he's got

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Speaker 1: a question for USh out in California, but we got

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Speaker 1: to step aside for a few moments. I let her

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Speaker 1: pose a question. On the other side, Family, YouTube can

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Speaker 1: join our conversation with doctor Julian Malvaul. She's an economist.

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Speaker 1: You can reach us an eight hundred four or five

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Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your phone

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Speaker 1: calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for staying with

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Speaker 1: us on this Thursday morning. I guess she's economist, doctor

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Speaker 1: Julian Malvaux. M I T grat and you've probably seen

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Speaker 1: us amongst the talking heads discussing the economy and our

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Speaker 1: community and what she does. She's telling us what the

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Speaker 1: economy is really doing for our community anyway, Dr Malvaux.

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Speaker 1: Sister Serrita's called from California has a question for issues

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Speaker 1: online too, Grand Rising, Sister Serrita, you're on with doctor

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Speaker 1: Julianna Malvaux.

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Speaker 17: Grand Rising, Carl, thank you for taking my call. Keep

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Speaker 17: it short. I just wanted to end good morning to

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Speaker 17: you guys. I just wanted to know do you think

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Speaker 17: it is wise to open up a business, and if so,

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Speaker 17: do you believe that it should be an LLC or

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Speaker 17: a nonprofit. I was speaking to someone who said better

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Speaker 17: they would be better to do a nonprofit, but I

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Speaker 17: would like to get your input on that, and I'll

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Speaker 17: take my comments off the air.

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Speaker 13: Thank you so much, Thank you system for your call.

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Speaker 13: The question, the answer is that it depends on what

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Speaker 13: your goals are and what kind of screwtiny you're prepared

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Speaker 13: to deal with. If you are going to be a

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Speaker 13: nonprofit as in a five oh one C three, the

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Speaker 13: question is why. Certainly as a nonprofit, there are things

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Speaker 13: you can do. You can pay yourself, you can do

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Speaker 13: other things, but what are your goals? An LLC is

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Speaker 13: a limit liability corporation. Their plus does and cons there.

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Speaker 13: I would advise you to talk to a tax person

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Speaker 13: to see about that. But unless your goals are purely philanthropic,

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Speaker 13: I don't advise necessarily a five or one C three.

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Speaker 13: I mean, yeah, if you are purely philanthropic, you're doing education,

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Speaker 13: doing health whatever.

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Speaker 15: That is.

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Speaker 13: Nonprofit do nonprofit so you're trying to make a profit,

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Speaker 13: understand that your profits will be scrutinized from a tax perspective.

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Speaker 13: A talk to your tax advisor and move ahead with

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Speaker 13: due diligence.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes a question, Doctor Malvo at twenty three minutes,

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Speaker 1: I thank your sistance. Area twenty three minutes after top

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Speaker 1: how come these all these millionaires is billionius they pay

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Speaker 1: zero tax? What is it they know that we don't know?

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Speaker 1: And almost now we've got thinking about you know, right

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Speaker 1: after the holidays, it's taxis and we're thinking about taxes.

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Speaker 1: You can to do our taxes a week. Many times

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Speaker 1: we have to pay if we don't have a lot

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Speaker 1: of right is the fact that they have a lot

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Speaker 1: of write offs that data they think about with zero

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Speaker 1: taxes and then millionaires and billionaires, what are we doing wrong?

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Speaker 13: Well, they do have a lot of write offs that

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Speaker 13: they do document them. Many of them also give give

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Speaker 13: major contributions and maybe as sister mentioned, they have foundations

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Speaker 13: and others that they direct money to. Again, the best

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Speaker 13: bet is to have a great tax advisor. Anything we

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Speaker 13: say on this line, Carl, we love our people. You

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Speaker 13: don't want to put our people in jeopardy, so I

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Speaker 13: would not. I don't give people tax advice and that

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Speaker 13: kind of advice, you know, because it comes at you

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Speaker 13: all the time and no one knows the particularities of

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01:49:46,040 --> 01:49:51,920
Speaker 13: your situation. Sit down with somebody who's going to help

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Speaker 13: you go through your numbers and make sure that you're

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Speaker 13: making the right decisions.

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Speaker 1: All right, twenty five, the topic A tweet question for you.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Man tweeted says, this administration has caused harm to

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Speaker 1: black women. My husband and I survive on two paychecks.

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Speaker 1: Many of our sisters are being laid off and losing

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Speaker 1: six figure jobs in the thousands. How can we fight back?

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Speaker 13: We have to have plan BC, D and E around

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Speaker 13: how we maintain ourselves. And I'm struggling with this personally myself.

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Speaker 13: I lost six figures of contracts when that man came

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Speaker 13: into office, and I'm still trying to scramble to recover

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Speaker 13: some of that. But we have to have a plan

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Speaker 13: BCD and E, which means how else are you going

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Speaker 13: to have income streams? And that's what sisters who have

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Speaker 13: lost six figure federal jobs, what are your other income streams?

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Speaker 13: The second question is what can you do cut back

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Speaker 13: on I mean, yeah, you would live in large once

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Speaker 13: upon a time. You might not be living large now,

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Speaker 13: but that doesn't mean you have to be living low.

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Speaker 13: It means that you have to figure out what your

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Speaker 13: other income streams are. And the third thing is what's

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Speaker 13: your plan b CD raft about reinventing yourself? What do

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01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:11,519
Speaker 13: you need to do to you're out of the federal job.

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01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:14,240
Speaker 13: You're out of a good federal job. The companies that

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Speaker 13: you used to work with are not out there anymore

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Speaker 13: looking for you. So what else can you do? And

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Speaker 13: those are the initial and essential dilemmas.

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Speaker 1: All right, let me follow up on that at Dr Melvo.

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Speaker 1: Is this a temporary situation or or is this the real?

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Speaker 14: Uh?

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Speaker 1: This is the new situation we're dealing with now.

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Speaker 13: It's both. Even if federal stuff is resolved, it's gonna

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Speaker 13: take It's not gonna happen overnight. So in a very

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01:51:47,400 --> 01:51:51,200
Speaker 13: short run, you were the head of DEI at yaddada.

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Speaker 13: You're not gonna be that next year. That's just real.

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Speaker 13: Some of this it will pay time to recover. By

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01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:04,040
Speaker 13: the time it recovers, somebody might be the head of THEI,

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01:52:04,360 --> 01:52:08,479
Speaker 13: might not be you. They may have gone younger or

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01:52:08,600 --> 01:52:13,200
Speaker 13: in a different direction. So basically, just do you boo.

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01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:18,040
Speaker 13: You've got to figure it out. In the permanent situation,

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01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:21,040
Speaker 13: much of this will be restored, but the question is

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Speaker 13: how it will be restored and what it means. We

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01:52:24,479 --> 01:52:28,280
Speaker 13: are basically this man has come, and not only into

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Speaker 13: federal government but into general society. My grandmother used to

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Speaker 13: have a comment comment called a bull in a China closet.

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01:52:37,800 --> 01:52:40,680
Speaker 13: This total disruption, that was his goal. Go back and

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01:52:40,720 --> 01:52:44,799
Speaker 13: look at project twenty twenty five, and then Mother Jones

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Speaker 13: has a cover twenty twenty six. We see it right now.

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Speaker 13: In education, one of Carl. One of the things that

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Speaker 13: is really startling is what they've done to nursing professionals.

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Speaker 13: So nursing is no longer a profession according to this administration,

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Speaker 13: which means that people are pursuing advanced degrees in nursing

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Speaker 13: now have limited federal financial aid available to them, less

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Speaker 13: than they had a year ago. That's disruptive. Thirteen percent

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Speaker 13: of all of our nurses are black women, so that's

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Speaker 13: very disruptive. But we're going to see disruption and we're

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Speaker 13: going to get through it, and it's going to be challenging,

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Speaker 13: and we're.

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Speaker 4: Going to get to it.

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Speaker 1: Twenty eight after tough egg more, folks want to talk

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Speaker 1: to Dr Malvaux Lisa first these online threes calling from Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: Grand Rising Lee. Your question for doctor Malvaux.

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Speaker 18: Yes, Grand Rising, and again thank you for all that

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Speaker 18: you do. My question is what are your thoughts on

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Speaker 18: the implementation that the administration is saying they're going to

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Speaker 18: do where they're going to have IRS reps coming to

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Speaker 18: people's houses and knocking on their doors and getting information

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Speaker 18: from them because one they didn't file their taxi with

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Speaker 18: his discrepancy.

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Speaker 13: This administration has been abusive and disruptive, and I would

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01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:13,080
Speaker 13: say to people, if you know you have discrepancies or challenges,

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01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:17,840
Speaker 13: actually past professional right away. If someone comes to your door,

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01:54:17,880 --> 01:54:20,160
Speaker 13: you don't have to let him in. You do not

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01:54:20,280 --> 01:54:21,600
Speaker 13: have to let him in, but you do have to

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01:54:21,640 --> 01:54:24,600
Speaker 13: be protected. This is frightening, but it's no different than

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Speaker 13: what's happening with Ice, with others.

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Speaker 4: This administration's goal is to be disruptive.

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Speaker 1: Gotie, thankfully. Thirty minutes at the top there, Charles the

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Speaker 1: thirties called listener from Washington DC's online four Grand Rising. Charles,

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Speaker 1: your question for doctor.

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Speaker 19: Melvaux Hotel brother Carl, doctor Marvel.

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Speaker 5: I have a comment in question.

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Speaker 19: My comment is I think it would be kind of

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Speaker 19: unspared to say the said Trump has them in their pockets,

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Speaker 19: because I had the opportunity to listen to Jerome Pal's

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Speaker 19: interview after or the announcement, and he clearly stated the

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Speaker 19: labor market is in trouble regardless of what numbers you're hearing,

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Speaker 19: and he said, and even the numbers you're hearing, they

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Speaker 19: expect that they will come back and make an adjustment downward.

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Speaker 19: So he basically said, don't trust the administration. My question

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Speaker 19: to you is are you familiar with the phrase plutonomy

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Speaker 19: And I think it's very important with that phrase because

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Speaker 19: it talks about how an elite class in a country

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Speaker 19: basically will account for all of the expenditures and basically

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Speaker 19: you don't need the other people involved. For example, where

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Speaker 19: recently they said ten percent of the population accounted for

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Speaker 19: over fifty percent of the expenditures, and it looks like

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Speaker 19: the country is moving towards where seventy expenditures are counted

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Speaker 19: for an elite class. So therefore you don't have to

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01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:10,840
Speaker 19: have jobs for people. It doesn't matter if people are

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01:56:10,920 --> 01:56:15,000
Speaker 19: spending money. So if you can comment on that plutonomy

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Speaker 19: and how it is being factored in in the way

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Speaker 19: things are done, and I'll listen and take your comment

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Speaker 19: off the air.

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Speaker 13: Well, thank you for a great question. It's a really

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Speaker 13: important question. A plutonomy is an economy where growth is

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Speaker 13: driven by the wealthy, where everybody else is essentially just there,

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Speaker 13: but luxury goods. Basically, the rich consume a disproportionate amount

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Speaker 13: of goods. The rest of us are suckers. Quite frankly,

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Speaker 13: my brothers and I've been writing about this, and Carl,

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Speaker 13: if you give me a small moment of self promotion,

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Speaker 13: I have a new newsletter called the Malvoe Monitor, and

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Speaker 13: you can get it by doing Malville Monitor at gmail

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Speaker 13: dot com. The last two issues have been about consumer

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Speaker 13: spending and about the ways that we basically fund our

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Speaker 13: own oppression. And the plutonomy thing is part of it

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Speaker 13: because the wealthy spin, the rest of us spin too,

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Speaker 13: but we're hooked into creative consumption. In other words, how

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Speaker 13: many people get turned off turned on? Rather they get

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Speaker 13: an email fifty percent off. Which you don't understand is

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Speaker 13: that fifty percent off still is making somebody a profit.

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Speaker 13: And so Brothermand's question, I forgot his name, and I

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Speaker 13: apologized her for forgetting your name. But basically, the plutonomy

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Speaker 13: is an economy driven by the wealthy. But the other

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Speaker 13: piece of that is predatory capitalism that also allows the

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Speaker 13: wealthy to extract from the rest of us. So if

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Speaker 13: we're not getting the luxury goods that the wealthy get,

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Speaker 13: we want to imitate them, so we don't get a

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Speaker 13: pride of bag. We get a fake pride of bag

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Speaker 13: and somebody make a lot of money from that. So

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Speaker 13: it's a very important concept and it really does focus

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Speaker 13: on the wealthy driving the economy, which is what we're

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Speaker 13: seeing now. The Trump cabinet is majority billionaires. Where did

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Speaker 13: they get that money from us? So it's a good

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Speaker 13: it's a good phrase to remember, and I'm gonna lift.

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Speaker 4: It up in my next newsletter.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, my brother.

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Speaker 1: All right, as Charles going from Washington, d C. Eight

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Speaker 1: hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six. Money Mike's

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Speaker 1: joining us from Baltimore is online too, Grand Rising Money Mike.

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Speaker 1: Your question for doctor Malfax.

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Speaker 7: Good morning, Carl, Good morning, doctor Merrilviaue. How a y'all

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Speaker 7: doing this morning? Great Gray rising, Gray browsing, Doctor Merlelvaux.

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Speaker 7: You touched on two things and you're really hitting on

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Speaker 7: all cylinders this morning. Uh when Carl as the question

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Speaker 7: why to the rich don't pay taxes? Well, first of all, Car,

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Speaker 7: this country was based on a business, and nobody has

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Speaker 7: really talked to us, doctor Melville about opening up your

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Speaker 7: home your own home based business. Multiple streams of income.

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Speaker 7: You know you talked about we're consumers. What do you

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Speaker 7: do with red bottom shoes except walk on them? You

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Speaker 7: know what.

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Speaker 17: Time?

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Speaker 7: I mean, you're gonna stuff the bottoms up? What sense

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Speaker 7: does that make to spend money or something that doesn't

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Speaker 7: produce anything for you except to impress people who really

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Speaker 7: don't get a done about you. So I'm saying that

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Speaker 7: if you understand a home based business, they're a tax deductions.

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Speaker 7: You can write off a portion of your mortgage. You

1983
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Speaker 7: can write off your cell phone for you, your children.

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Speaker 7: You can put your cars in your children's name, you

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Speaker 7: can put your children on the payroll. That is how

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Speaker 7: business works in this country. So all of those expenses

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Speaker 7: that you and can be written off, and they understand

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Speaker 7: the task code. We don't even promote business, even from

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Speaker 7: our leaders, so called leader doctor Mault. Why is there

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Speaker 7: we promote voting, but we don't promote owning your own

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Speaker 7: hole based business. Why is that?

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Speaker 13: I can't give you the answer to that, but I

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Speaker 13: will tell you that you're absolutely right. There's some financial

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Speaker 13: strategies that our civil rights organizations and others should be promoting,

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Speaker 13: and should be promoting them aggressively and we don't see

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Speaker 13: that happening, So you're absolutely right, we need to understand more.

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Speaker 13: I mean, this is a predatory capitalist of that is exploited,

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Speaker 13: and many of us, myself included, decried that system. But

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Speaker 13: we also have to understand if you don't play the game,

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Speaker 13: you ain't gonna win. So even as we decry the system,

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Speaker 13: we might want to look at the ways that we

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Speaker 13: can benefit from it.

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Speaker 7: Well, I'm gonna end with this, doctor maulbro At age seventeen.

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Speaker 7: I understand the gang. I understood that voting. You can vote,

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Speaker 7: but you gotta pay politicians in this country. So I'm

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Speaker 7: not a Democrat nor Republican. I'm a capitalist, Okay, I'm serious.

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Speaker 7: I mean I make money. That's what I'm about. I'm

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Speaker 7: about money because it allows me to protect my family.

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Speaker 7: You know, when young boys were being locked up didn't

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Speaker 7: have legal representation, I said, I'm gonna afford a lawyer

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Speaker 7: for my family, not just my immediate family, but also

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Speaker 7: the other members of my family. So you know, we

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Speaker 7: got to get into money. If we don't, we're gonna

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Speaker 7: suffer in this country. As Paul, have a good district.

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Speaker 13: Thank you for your cause. I appreciate you. You're absolutely right.

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Speaker 13: I mean, one of the ways that we see the

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Speaker 13: spit break down is when somebody is arrested. People who

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Speaker 13: have wealth can bail their people out. People who do

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Speaker 13: not have wealth often have someone languishing in a jail

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Speaker 13: from months. And I have many close personal friends who

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Speaker 13: have had that experience, didn't have the money to get out.

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Speaker 13: Eventually found not guilty, but what happened to that six seven,

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Speaker 13: eight months of their life? And that's a difference between

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Speaker 13: having wealth, which is access and not having it. So

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Speaker 13: thank you for your call and for your thoughts.

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Speaker 1: All right, hold, I thought right there, Dr Malvaulx. We

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Speaker 1: got to step aside for a few moments. When we

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Speaker 1: come back, though, I call. I wanted to know what

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Speaker 1: is the impact in the black community of MIT grads

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Speaker 1: and where do we find them. I'll let you respond

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Speaker 1: to that when we get back. Family, you two can

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Speaker 1: join our conversation. We're talking about money with top economists

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Speaker 1: doctor Julian and malvau. You can reach your eight hundred

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Speaker 1: four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll

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Speaker 1: take your phone calls next and grand Rising family, thanks

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Speaker 1: for sticking with us on this Thursday morning, I guess

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Speaker 1: is doctor Julian Malvau. Before we go back to doctor

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Speaker 1: Malvod's to remind you. Coming later this morning, we'll speak

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Speaker 1: with Willie Rix William mccassa, Dotter Rix. He is civil

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Speaker 1: rights I County mart with doctor King, kwameed for Ray,

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Speaker 1: John Lewis, all the other members of SNAKY was there.

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Speaker 1: In fact, he's the expression who coined the phrase black power.

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Speaker 1: And you know, stokely Kwame Terray made that famous phrase famous.

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Speaker 1: So he's going to be joining us later this morning,

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Speaker 1: and tomorrow's Friday, So we're going to give you a

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Speaker 1: chance to free your mind. All that means you just

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Speaker 1: think for yourself and join us for our open phone

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Speaker 1: Friday program again promptly at six a m. Eastern time

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Speaker 1: right here in Baltimore on ten ten w LB and

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Speaker 1: in the DMV the Washington DC Metropolitan Era on fourteen

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Speaker 1: fifty w L. Doctor malvel the caller called into the

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Speaker 1: studio wanted to know what is the impact of the

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Speaker 1: black community of MIT grads and where do we find them?

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Speaker 13: We are all over the place, you know, we are

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Speaker 13: all over the place. We've got a lot of entrepreneurs

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Speaker 13: who are m I T. T.

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Speaker 4: Grads.

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Speaker 13: You've got you know, PSG economists like me and others

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Speaker 13: got folks in the sciences, some of the sisters and

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Speaker 13: the sciences are just amazing.

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Speaker 8: So you MI T.

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Speaker 13: Makes a difference. Now, I won't say it's the best

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Speaker 13: place in the world. I always tell people I wish

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Speaker 13: I had gone to an HBCU undergrad. I might be

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Speaker 13: a nicer person. White people taught me how to fight.

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Speaker 13: As a freshman, I was accused of plagiarism from a

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Speaker 13: white girl who sat behind me. So somehow I had

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Speaker 13: eyes in the back of my head at Boston College.

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Speaker 13: And that's a long story. I'll write about it whenever

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Speaker 13: I write a memoir. But but we're everywhere. There's some

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Speaker 13: amazing patent attorneys locally. I think Phil Hampton, patent attorney

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Speaker 13: who does amazing work. They're just so many we we

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Speaker 13: you know, black folks who do excellence make a difference

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Speaker 13: across the board. And those of us who endured M

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Speaker 13: I T. And I say endured make a difference across

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Speaker 13: the board.

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Speaker 1: I think implication because yeah, well we shoe people like

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Speaker 1: yourself M I T. Grading. But you're working for us,

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Speaker 1: you we are looking to that for black folks. And

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Speaker 1: I think the implication of the question is where are

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Speaker 1: all these super smart folks working for other folks? How

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Speaker 1: can we bring them into the fold?

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Speaker 13: Well, I think that, you know, we have to be everywhere,

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Speaker 13: and some of us are explicitly working for us. Others

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Speaker 13: are implicitly working for us. I don't blame anybody who

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Speaker 13: does not, you know, put a Black Lives Matter benner

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Speaker 13: outside their house or inside their office. We have to

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Speaker 13: I assume, I have to assume the best of black

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Speaker 13: people that when I do that, I assume that most

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Speaker 13: of us, but not all of us, but not all

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Speaker 13: of us, both of us do care about our people. Now,

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Speaker 13: I can give you names of colleagues who are serious

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Speaker 13: times that one would be like Glenn Lowry went to

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Speaker 13: work for Ronald Reagan as until he knocked the black

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Speaker 13: girl down up fight the steps with his foot. No,

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Speaker 13: I'm not even going to go there. Everybody brown ain't down.

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Speaker 13: That's true in my t grads and everybody else.

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Speaker 14: Let me hear it at that.

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Speaker 1: All right, I got a tweak question for you. Fifteen

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Speaker 1: away from the top of that, says Dr Malva. Is

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Speaker 1: America losing its status as the world leader. If so,

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Speaker 1: what country is stepping up?

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Speaker 19: Oh?

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Speaker 13: Absolutely, we lost. We were already already losing our status.

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Speaker 13: I wrote a piece of years ago called the End

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Speaker 13: of Imminence about the fact that if we didn't pay

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Speaker 13: attention to developing countries, to the brick countries, or that

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Speaker 13: that was in a term then to thom of other things,

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Speaker 13: that we essentially would no longer be the world leader.

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Speaker 13: Now that Orange man, he's accelerated that he's done stupid

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Speaker 13: things that no other president would do, taking an oil

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Speaker 13: tanker in Venezuela. Excuse me, are you trying to have

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Speaker 13: a war? Calling people as whole countries, calling Somali people garbage?

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Speaker 13: Do you launch all the pomp and circumstance it came

2115
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Speaker 13: with being the United States America, this above it all

2116
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Speaker 13: country that was able to essentially bring people together. Now

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Speaker 13: he will tell you that he has solved wars and

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Speaker 13: done this and done that, and we would say, to

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Speaker 13: what end and at what cost? So, yes, we are

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Speaker 13: we have we're losing our eminence.

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Speaker 1: So how do we position ourselves? I'm talking about black

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Speaker 1: people here in this country and in the diaspora. How

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Speaker 1: do we position you? Because we talked about this earlier

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Speaker 1: this morning with a Danny spot right out of Detroit

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Speaker 1: is the director of the Center for Pan African Studies

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Speaker 1: in Detroit. How do we position our people, you know,

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Speaker 1: to take advantage of what's going on now?

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Speaker 13: We have to be engaged with the African continent, with

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Speaker 13: the diaspora. I think we look at people like Bread

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Speaker 13: I didn't hear the interview, and I'll get some information

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Speaker 13: from you about it later, but also posts like mail

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Speaker 13: Flip with the for Africa. But we need to be engaged.

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Speaker 13: So many of us are not engaged with our idea

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Speaker 13: sport presence, and there are opportunities. They are economic opportunities,

2135
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Speaker 13: there are other opportunities. So we need to be engaged

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Speaker 13: in what else there is out there. We cannot look

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Speaker 13: intward and say, well, we have enough problem. I've hear

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Speaker 13: people all the times say why are you so worried

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Speaker 13: about Africa?

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Speaker 14: What about us?

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Speaker 13: We're connected, So I will tell anyone who listened started reading,

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Speaker 13: looks up belt Foot. He's brilliant and he has relationships

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Speaker 13: with many of the African countries. But he's not the

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Speaker 13: only one. But he's great. So just start thinking about

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Speaker 13: how you might engage there also trade opportunities that are possibilities.

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Speaker 13: So we need to be globally focused, not locally focused.

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Speaker 1: Speaking about locally focused twelve minutes away from the top

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Speaker 1: ben Doctor mount Vaux, we show some Theriselle's come in

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Speaker 1: from Miami and from Georgia where Democrats showed, I guess

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Speaker 1: showed some strength. How do you see what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Are we are we witnessing the turning of the tide

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Speaker 1: here when it comes to the Mega group.

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Speaker 13: Let's not count on that too soon, but it's certainly

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Speaker 13: within the realm of possibility. Here's what we do know.

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Speaker 13: We know that back in November, both in Virginia and

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Speaker 13: New Jersey, we saw Democratic women earning governorships there, earning governorships.

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Speaker 13: In Miami, we see a woman, first time in thirty

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Speaker 13: years coming in as mayor.

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Speaker 4: What will she do?

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Speaker 13: And certainly we see some judicial elections in Georgia raising

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Speaker 13: the same questions. But these are very small victories and

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Speaker 13: a greater scope. The big issue is going to be

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Speaker 13: what happens now here just a few months from now,

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Speaker 13: twenty twenty six. That's gonna be the issue. Can we

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Speaker 13: turn that around? And I don't think that Democrats, I'm

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Speaker 13: you know I'm a Democrat. I'm a yellow dog Democrat,

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Speaker 13: which I hate to say, which means that the Democrat

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Speaker 13: was a yellow dog. I'd still vote for it, but

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Speaker 13: I've become a disillusion about some of the Democratic moves.

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Speaker 13: I'm excited about Jasuine Crockett running in Texas, but I don't.

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Speaker 14: Know if she can win.

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Speaker 13: To be honest, Texas is like not red as blood red.

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Speaker 13: So you have this amazing, brilliant black woman running for

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Speaker 13: the Senate, but can she win.

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Speaker 4: Democrats have not.

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Speaker 13: Told their story in ways that people can embrace. That's

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Speaker 13: the challenge for Democrats. Now, Spamberger did it it and

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Speaker 13: in New Jersey, Mickey Cheryl, I believe did it. They

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Speaker 13: told the right story.

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Speaker 4: It was a very centrist story.

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Speaker 13: And the big question for a lot of people do

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Speaker 13: Democrats have to come off the edgine into the Senator?

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Speaker 13: And I don't know, brother mom Dommy turned it out

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Speaker 13: in New York, but I don't. Let's not take two

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Speaker 13: or three data points and come to a conclusion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the common issue with those racist that it

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Speaker 1: was affordability. And Donald Trumps picked up on that and

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Speaker 1: he's basically hitting the campaign trail is the chief of Staffs.

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Speaker 1: And that's what he's going to be doing for the

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Speaker 1: next few months because he thinks that twenty twenty six

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Speaker 1: is going to be a referendum on him, so he's

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Speaker 1: going to basically try to pain himself as the affordability president.

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts on that.

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Speaker 13: Well, what's at the fool thing of the person who

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Speaker 13: lives in the house that enslaved people built, he said,

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Speaker 13: Democrats talking about affordability is like buying Clyde some some

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Speaker 13: slipping something that in a moment of cogency, because he

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Speaker 13: doesn't have many and the moment of coaching, he put

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Speaker 13: out there, whatever, affordability is the issue, whether you're a

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Speaker 13: dem or an R.

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Speaker 4: If you go to the grocery store.

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Speaker 18: You're feeling it.

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Speaker 13: If you're in the bottom sixty percent, Carl, the bottom

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Speaker 13: sixty percent means more than half of us, you're feeling it.

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Speaker 4: You go to the grocery store.

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Speaker 13: If people want to talk about eggs and eggs prices

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Speaker 13: or down, whatever, No, look at the whole market, pack basket,

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Speaker 13: look at what everything is costing. Some stuff goes up,

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Speaker 13: some stuff goes back. With the buy mind is most

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Speaker 13: people are paying more for grocery and that's that's the

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Speaker 13: affordability story. The other piece of a carl that, regretfully

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Speaker 13: I must just share for a moment is a whole

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Speaker 13: issue of housing costs. And owners are getting hit, you.

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Speaker 14: Know, with.

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Speaker 13: Rising property taxes of other things. Renters are getting hit.

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Speaker 13: Corporate America is purchasing single family homes, and what that

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Speaker 13: essentially means is that everybody's being squeezed on housing. So

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Speaker 13: groceries are one thing, and you can play with groceries.

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Speaker 13: You don't have to have steak, you can have chicken

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Speaker 13: blah blah, but you can't really play with housing. And

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Speaker 13: so our seniors, our African American singers are among the

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Speaker 13: most squeezed in this housing crisis.

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Speaker 4: So we have to be very mindful of that.

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Speaker 1: Got youa ed away from the top of that, Dr Malveaux,

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Speaker 1: this recent FED rate cut. Do you think it is

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Speaker 1: cut deep enough to stimulate the economy where we can

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Speaker 1: actually feel it?

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Speaker 14: No, No, I don't.

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Speaker 13: I think it's it's surface, it's small. I do think

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Speaker 13: if you're looking for a mortgage, you might get a break.

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Speaker 13: How many people are looking for a mortgage right now,

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Speaker 13: But if you're looking for a mortgage, you might get

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Speaker 13: a break. There are some people who will get breaks,

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Speaker 13: but not a lot of people. The small rate cut

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Speaker 13: is a small rate cut. I think the Fed played

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Speaker 13: it very, very cautiously, and there was the set within

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Speaker 13: them that man who lives in a house that enslaved

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Speaker 13: people built, lived like he said double the cut that

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Speaker 13: they did, okay, And others said we shouldn't do anything.

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Speaker 4: So you don't have a united said.

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Speaker 13: And that's probably at this point a good thing, but

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Speaker 13: it's a challenging thing for me.

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Speaker 1: And I got to ask you this question stix away

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Speaker 1: from the top alf faunidly. I guess they start to

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Speaker 1: Julian Melfol, she's an economist. MI t talk to malth

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Speaker 1: vote because you mentioned earlier about Donald Trump seizing these

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Speaker 1: tankers off Venezuela's coast. If the full scale war breaks out,

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Speaker 1: what does that mean for the economy?

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Speaker 14: Oh?

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Speaker 13: It tanks it.

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Speaker 4: Oh question, it tanks it.

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Speaker 13: The album is I don't even want to say, but

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Speaker 13: this is the worst thing he could do. Venezuela is

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Speaker 13: not a powerless country. They have troops, they have weapons.

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Speaker 13: They can't beat us in a war. But who will

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Speaker 13: you basically conscript for this war when we be acting

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Speaker 13: black men and women as troops to go into a

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Speaker 13: country where most of the people.

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Speaker 14: Look like us.

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Speaker 13: But I've been to Venezuela twice, pull a lot of

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Speaker 13: black people. There, a lot of poverty there. They don't

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Speaker 13: like their administration. I would say that they're not down

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Speaker 13: with their administration, but they're not down with war either,

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Speaker 13: because they already have food challenges and other challenges, and

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Speaker 13: war will exacerbate all of that. I don't understand what

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02:15:49,680 --> 02:15:53,080
Speaker 13: this man is thinking. Well, though I do understand he ain't.

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Speaker 13: But the bottom line on this is a war with

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Speaker 13: Venezuela will expand to a world war.

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Speaker 14: They have many.

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Speaker 13: European allies and we have many European allies. How will

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Speaker 13: that play out. I'm not a military strategist. I don't know,

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Speaker 13: but I do know what It won't be good for

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Speaker 13: the United States.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you said we have many and many European allies.

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Speaker 1: I think that's in question because he attacked them as

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Speaker 1: well verbally and they're not supporting in fact that some

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Speaker 1: European countries are not sharing intelligence with the United States

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Speaker 1: because of this.

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Speaker 13: No, absolutely, I mean the UK has said they're not,

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Speaker 13: many have not. We had you're absolutely right. Thank you

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Speaker 13: for correcting me. We had many European allies. Right now

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Speaker 13: when we have the hot.

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Speaker 1: Monkey mess, listen, we come up on a break and

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Speaker 1: when we come back though, how much of this what

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Speaker 1: you see going on on the political landscape is an

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Speaker 1: attempt to obscure what's going on with Epstein five? Do

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Speaker 1: you think this could be there? Why all of this

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Speaker 1: is the Donald Trump's making all these moves. I'll let

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Speaker 1: you respond to that when we get back. Family, you

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Speaker 1: want to join this conversation. I guess she's an economist.

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Speaker 1: The name is doctor Julian Malfoy. You've seen her before,

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Speaker 1: She's been all over tears. We're one of these talking heads,

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Speaker 1: one of the smartest sisters we have in our community.

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Speaker 1: You can reach her at eight hundred four or five

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Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six and we would take a

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Speaker 1: break so we assess stations can identify themselves down the

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Speaker 1: line and we'll come back with your questions next and

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Speaker 1: ground rising. Family, Thanks for sticking with us on this

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Speaker 1: Thursday money. I guess this economist doctor Julian and Malfo,

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Speaker 1: doctor Malvau. Before we left the bet, my question to you,

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Speaker 1: how much of this what we've seen that from coming

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Speaker 1: out of the Trump administration has to do with the

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Speaker 1: fact that he's trying to hide the fact what's going

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Speaker 1: on with Epstein files.

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Speaker 13: Well, I think there's a large quarty. But I think

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Speaker 13: also if you go back and look at Project twenty

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Speaker 13: twenty five, which you will fund, is that they promised.

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Speaker 4: Disruption and that's what they've delivered.

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Speaker 13: Everybody has said out everybody, but many people have said

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Speaker 13: that this president is not in the files. But the

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Speaker 13: question is who adjacent to him? Is are there members

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Speaker 13: of his cabinet who might be also complicit in trafficking

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Speaker 13: teenage girls? Are their financiers that he's associated with, who

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Speaker 13: are so? So he doesn't have to be in there.

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Speaker 13: You don't have to see him with his draws down

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Speaker 13: with a child. What you have to understand is what's

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Speaker 13: adjacent to him. So I think the fact that they

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Speaker 13: pushed back so hard about saying they don't want to

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Speaker 13: know this, they don't want to see this, it's not right.

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Speaker 13: That suggests that there's something to hide, you know, that's

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Speaker 13: that's a bottom rus that's something to be all right.

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Speaker 1: Willie rix Stivil Rights icons on Deck we'll get to

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Speaker 1: a momentary. I've got to ask you this before I'll

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Speaker 1: let you go, though, Doctor Malvaux, we're coming up with

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Speaker 1: the Obamacare. The healthcare issue is still in a band,

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Speaker 1: so we don't know which way it's going to go.

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Speaker 1: Some Republicans, you know, they're from their constituency telling them, hey,

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Speaker 1: we need the healthcare. And the Republicans have been saying

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Speaker 1: that they they have a what do you call it

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Speaker 1: making some of a plan a concept? No, he said,

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Speaker 1: he has a concept of a plan. First question, what

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Speaker 1: took them so long to even come up with a plan.

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Speaker 1: What's holding it back? If they've got a better plan,

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Speaker 1: why don't they put out on the table. And if

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Speaker 1: they allow the Obama Care plan to expire and the

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Speaker 1: rates explode, how's that going to impact that them politically

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Speaker 1: going forward?

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Speaker 13: Well, if they allow these to expire, And as I

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Speaker 13: said earlier, or maybe Aschager.

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Speaker 14: So what else?

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Speaker 13: I'm looking at my own You know, I'm on Medicare

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Speaker 13: because I'm over seventy and they just told me what

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Speaker 13: my supplemental is. Everything I get is up by not

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Speaker 13: a lot, but about five percent. Everything is up by

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Speaker 13: at least one hundred dollars you know from, And what

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Speaker 13: that means for folks who are not as well advantaged

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Speaker 13: as I am is that that there will be economic disruption.

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Speaker 13: That's just how it is now. The Obamacare subsidies, if

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Speaker 13: they're able to say, let's just extend it four year

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Speaker 13: and fight it out, that's good. Our health care system,

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Speaker 13: CARL has always been poorly organized. We spend one out

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Speaker 13: of seven dollars out of seven GV dollars on our

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Speaker 13: health care system, and still you have people who can

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Speaker 13: get moove lifts while others can't get basic demo care.

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Speaker 13: So the system is broken. Nobody has a courage to

2356
02:20:36,879 --> 02:20:39,840
Speaker 13: fix it because when you try to fix it, somebody's

2357
02:20:39,879 --> 02:20:42,760
Speaker 13: gonna get hurt. The bottom line is, when you start,

2358
02:20:42,879 --> 02:20:44,600
Speaker 13: you take the pot and you figure out how you're

2359
02:20:44,600 --> 02:20:47,080
Speaker 13: gonna divide it up, someone's gonna get hurt. But we

2360
02:20:47,120 --> 02:20:50,360
Speaker 13: can look at other countries and look at the entitlements

2361
02:20:50,400 --> 02:20:53,680
Speaker 13: that they have for health care so that people don't die.

2362
02:20:53,800 --> 02:20:58,760
Speaker 13: We have fifty thousand people a year car dying because

2363
02:20:58,800 --> 02:21:04,120
Speaker 13: they don't have health care dying. It can't get to

2364
02:21:04,280 --> 02:21:09,400
Speaker 13: the doctors, they don't have the appropriate coverage. You know,

2365
02:21:09,840 --> 02:21:12,920
Speaker 13: I'm going to docta today because my author is kicking me.

2366
02:21:13,200 --> 02:21:16,440
Speaker 13: You know, Arthur and Tiger had a freeway and Arthur

2367
02:21:16,520 --> 02:21:20,480
Speaker 13: won as Arthur ritis and Tiger. Mom don't think I'm

2368
02:21:20,520 --> 02:21:23,400
Speaker 13: that big of a freak, but it's taken me a

2369
02:21:23,480 --> 02:21:25,800
Speaker 13: month to get into the doctor. And I have good

2370
02:21:25,840 --> 02:21:28,680
Speaker 13: health care, but it's taking a month. So if you

2371
02:21:28,760 --> 02:21:31,200
Speaker 13: don't have good health care, what does it mean? So

2372
02:21:32,440 --> 02:21:36,920
Speaker 13: this is gonna reverberate and whether you are damn or

2373
02:21:37,080 --> 02:21:41,200
Speaker 13: are if you have health issues, especially if you're a senior,

2374
02:21:41,840 --> 02:21:43,080
Speaker 13: it's gonna hit you at the polls.

2375
02:21:44,600 --> 02:21:45,240
Speaker 14: And we have a.

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02:21:46,879 --> 02:21:50,920
Speaker 13: Midterm election coming out. Now back to the original question

2377
02:21:50,959 --> 02:21:55,840
Speaker 13: about Epstein et cetera. These people are disruptors. The disruption

2378
02:21:56,760 --> 02:22:00,560
Speaker 13: is not just about Epstein. It's about all the friodness

2379
02:22:00,600 --> 02:22:04,280
Speaker 13: that's occurred. What's just happened with the Department of Education

2380
02:22:04,520 --> 02:22:08,119
Speaker 13: and nursing, What's just happened with the Department of Education

2381
02:22:08,240 --> 02:22:11,200
Speaker 13: and student loans. They just want us to be going

2382
02:22:11,280 --> 02:22:13,119
Speaker 13: in circles. You know that song back in the day

2383
02:22:13,360 --> 02:22:16,560
Speaker 13: got me going round and around we go. This is

2384
02:22:16,600 --> 02:22:20,920
Speaker 13: what's going on, and none of us Democrats or others

2385
02:22:21,000 --> 02:22:25,000
Speaker 13: have gone Laser's focus and laid it out in the

2386
02:22:25,080 --> 02:22:30,280
Speaker 13: appropriate way so they can get away with obscation. That's

2387
02:22:30,320 --> 02:22:32,680
Speaker 13: what they've been doing. Just throw everything at the wall.

2388
02:22:33,280 --> 02:22:35,520
Speaker 13: Watch us react to what's on the wall without looking

2389
02:22:35,560 --> 02:22:38,600
Speaker 13: at the systemic issues that are taking place in our economy.

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Speaker 1: Dr Malvo, thank you for sharing your thoughts this morning.

2391
02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:44,880
Speaker 1: How can we get compet You say you've got a

2392
02:22:45,120 --> 02:22:48,400
Speaker 1: letter out or a newspaper out, a new.

2393
02:22:48,360 --> 02:22:52,760
Speaker 13: Newsletter called my Malville Monitor is Malville Monitor at gmail

2394
02:22:52,840 --> 02:22:55,760
Speaker 13: dot com. It has my weekly column and there's a

2395
02:22:55,800 --> 02:22:57,960
Speaker 13: bunch of my thoughts and you know, much of the

2396
02:22:58,720 --> 02:23:02,720
Speaker 13: aviation that I put out there always, of course, Julie

2397
02:23:02,920 --> 02:23:06,560
Speaker 13: Malva at aol dot com is just my direct line.

2398
02:23:06,600 --> 02:23:09,160
Speaker 13: I don't mind hearing from people directly. Takes me a

2399
02:23:09,200 --> 02:23:11,000
Speaker 13: while to get back to you, but I do get back,

2400
02:23:12,959 --> 02:23:15,760
Speaker 13: and then all the you know, Facebook tiktoks out of

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02:23:15,840 --> 02:23:20,240
Speaker 13: the doctor j last word Julie Malvaux on Facebook.

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Speaker 1: Pawa all right, thank you, Dr Malvaux, thank you for

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02:23:24,560 --> 02:23:25,560
Speaker 1: sharing your thoughts.

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02:23:25,400 --> 02:23:27,760
Speaker 13: And Carl, I appreciate you. I appreciate you, and I

2405
02:23:27,840 --> 02:23:29,520
Speaker 13: appreciate the opportunities to be with you.

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02:23:30,320 --> 02:23:33,039
Speaker 1: All right, family, that's doctor Julian Malvau and we appreciate

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02:23:33,800 --> 02:23:35,680
Speaker 1: all the information you share with us. So we're also

2408
02:23:35,840 --> 02:23:38,200
Speaker 1: trying to find our brilliant scholars. That dodtr Malvoy has

2409
02:23:38,240 --> 02:23:41,640
Speaker 1: one of them. As I mentioned, she graduated from MIT.

2410
02:23:42,320 --> 02:23:44,879
Speaker 1: He gotta have some smarts to get into the Mit family.

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02:23:44,920 --> 02:23:47,560
Speaker 1: That's one of the hardest colleges to get in in

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02:23:47,680 --> 02:23:50,640
Speaker 1: the world. Eight hundred and four or five zero seventy

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02:23:50,680 --> 02:23:52,520
Speaker 1: eight seventy six. Keep that number, honey, you needed for

2414
02:23:52,560 --> 02:23:55,720
Speaker 1: our next guest, who happens to be brother William macassa

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02:23:55,879 --> 02:23:59,280
Speaker 1: do Rix, Brother Willie Rix grand Rising, Welcome back to

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02:23:59,360 --> 02:23:59,800
Speaker 1: the program.

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02:24:00,760 --> 02:24:03,920
Speaker 14: Thank you Berry Kansas. Brother.

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02:24:04,120 --> 02:24:06,119
Speaker 1: Really let me Rick, let me ask you this question.

2419
02:24:06,200 --> 02:24:09,880
Speaker 1: Though you're seeing right now a lot of the what

2420
02:24:10,080 --> 02:24:12,800
Speaker 1: you guys fought for in the sixties. You you know,

2421
02:24:13,000 --> 02:24:16,200
Speaker 1: you you see some of your colleagues got killed, an

2422
02:24:16,600 --> 02:24:20,600
Speaker 1: injured name shot the whole nine yards and what we've

2423
02:24:20,640 --> 02:24:22,920
Speaker 1: seen and it didn't just start with this administration, but

2424
02:24:23,000 --> 02:24:25,440
Speaker 1: we see the little pidel they've been chipping away at

2425
02:24:25,480 --> 02:24:27,320
Speaker 1: those games. How does that make you feel?

2426
02:24:29,120 --> 02:24:33,080
Speaker 14: Well? The fight contenders and hating nothing change matter fact.

2427
02:24:33,160 --> 02:24:35,360
Speaker 14: These folks are who they've been all the time. We

2428
02:24:35,560 --> 02:24:40,040
Speaker 14: just got more needy to see some of it. That

2429
02:24:40,200 --> 02:24:43,760
Speaker 14: these people are the same that we see the slaves,

2430
02:24:44,320 --> 02:24:46,400
Speaker 14: and they can do what they want to do to us,

2431
02:24:46,440 --> 02:24:47,840
Speaker 14: and they're doing it to the world.

2432
02:24:50,000 --> 02:24:54,040
Speaker 1: But we're seeing a sort of an awakening in the

2433
02:24:54,200 --> 02:24:56,720
Speaker 1: African community, in the black community. What's going on in

2434
02:24:56,760 --> 02:24:58,920
Speaker 1: this hell? I know you got you went there recently?

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02:24:59,040 --> 02:25:01,560
Speaker 1: Can you share I think it was Pikino Fashion one

2436
02:25:01,560 --> 02:25:03,240
Speaker 1: of the countries you went to. Can you share your

2437
02:25:03,280 --> 02:25:03,840
Speaker 1: trip with us?

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02:25:05,440 --> 02:25:08,959
Speaker 14: Yes? But you know we Africans, Africans, our land, Africans,

2439
02:25:09,000 --> 02:25:13,160
Speaker 14: the riches land in the world, full of natural resources, diamonds,

2440
02:25:13,240 --> 02:25:16,320
Speaker 14: gold and everything, make everything and take to make computers

2441
02:25:16,360 --> 02:25:19,280
Speaker 14: with everything, and take the bill of cart with The

2442
02:25:19,440 --> 02:25:23,200
Speaker 14: whole system of the West is built on what they

2443
02:25:23,280 --> 02:25:25,400
Speaker 14: take out of Africa. Matter of fact, the whole systems

2444
02:25:25,440 --> 02:25:27,720
Speaker 14: in the world is build on what they take out

2445
02:25:27,760 --> 02:25:31,119
Speaker 14: of Africa. And that they took us out of Africa.

2446
02:25:31,760 --> 02:25:34,520
Speaker 14: And uh, that's what they've been doing. Uh, And that's

2447
02:25:34,560 --> 02:25:37,000
Speaker 14: why they look so rich and got all these fine

2448
02:25:37,080 --> 02:25:40,920
Speaker 14: everythings around the world, the finest billings or whatever. But

2449
02:25:41,040 --> 02:25:43,840
Speaker 14: they had to rape Africa in order to get it

2450
02:25:44,200 --> 02:25:47,360
Speaker 14: and leave the African starving to death. All they had

2451
02:25:47,400 --> 02:25:53,519
Speaker 14: to use slavery worldwide, slavery or commit genocide on people worldwide.

2452
02:25:53,520 --> 02:25:55,960
Speaker 14: And it's what they've been doing. And they continue to

2453
02:25:56,000 --> 02:25:58,880
Speaker 14: make the biggest bombs in the world, and they have

2454
02:25:59,080 --> 02:26:02,640
Speaker 14: no shortage money when they come to making bombs and

2455
02:26:03,560 --> 02:26:06,920
Speaker 14: killing people around the world. These are warmombers. And that

2456
02:26:08,120 --> 02:26:12,480
Speaker 14: I was able to go to Bekina Fossa. But I

2457
02:26:12,640 --> 02:26:14,960
Speaker 14: go back in history. I was able to work with

2458
02:26:15,080 --> 02:26:19,280
Speaker 14: South Africa fifty years ago. I was able to work

2459
02:26:19,320 --> 02:26:27,119
Speaker 14: with Angola, Mozambique, Zimbabwe, Ginnabisau and other countries fighting against

2460
02:26:27,680 --> 02:26:31,520
Speaker 14: what they're doing right now. So the people in Zimbabwe

2461
02:26:31,680 --> 02:26:35,040
Speaker 14: had to pick up guns and fight Robert Mugardy. Those

2462
02:26:35,360 --> 02:26:37,560
Speaker 14: people in ain't Gola had to pick up guns and

2463
02:26:37,680 --> 02:26:39,880
Speaker 14: fight to get them out their diamond mines, they get

2464
02:26:39,920 --> 02:26:42,240
Speaker 14: them off their land, to get them out their off

2465
02:26:42,360 --> 02:26:46,640
Speaker 14: fields and to stop mass genocide and murder. And matter

2466
02:26:46,640 --> 02:26:50,880
Speaker 14: of fact, we come from a system where Leopol in

2467
02:26:50,959 --> 02:26:55,560
Speaker 14: the Congo killed more Africans than any more Black people

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02:26:55,879 --> 02:26:59,160
Speaker 14: than anybody else in the world, me and tending me

2469
02:26:59,360 --> 02:27:03,760
Speaker 14: fifty million whatever. And they were so brutal to us

2470
02:27:04,320 --> 02:27:07,280
Speaker 14: that they if we worked for them, they would cut

2471
02:27:07,320 --> 02:27:11,520
Speaker 14: our hands off, cut our feet off. I'll cut your

2472
02:27:11,520 --> 02:27:15,000
Speaker 14: whole family's hands and feet off, cut their ears off

2473
02:27:15,360 --> 02:27:17,840
Speaker 14: if they didn't work hard enough. Just think if you

2474
02:27:17,959 --> 02:27:21,720
Speaker 14: go out and work all day long, twelve fifteen hours

2475
02:27:21,760 --> 02:27:24,240
Speaker 14: a day, and come back and they say, well, you

2476
02:27:24,320 --> 02:27:27,640
Speaker 14: suppose about two hundred pounds of gold to us, or

2477
02:27:27,680 --> 02:27:30,720
Speaker 14: two hundred pounds of rubber or whatever, and you don't

2478
02:27:30,760 --> 02:27:35,320
Speaker 14: bring but one hundred pounds, one hundred and fifty pounds.

2479
02:27:36,600 --> 02:27:38,840
Speaker 14: That boy was cutting your ears off, you cutting your

2480
02:27:38,879 --> 02:27:41,200
Speaker 14: hands off, cutting your feet off, or cutting your whole

2481
02:27:41,320 --> 02:27:44,080
Speaker 14: families hands and feet off. You can go on internet

2482
02:27:44,080 --> 02:27:46,520
Speaker 14: and look up Leo for in the car go and

2483
02:27:46,640 --> 02:27:50,280
Speaker 14: see thousands of kids with their hands and feet cut off.

2484
02:27:50,840 --> 02:27:54,119
Speaker 14: And this is what the attitude that they have done

2485
02:27:54,640 --> 02:27:59,320
Speaker 14: to us around the world. So now a few when

2486
02:27:59,320 --> 02:28:04,400
Speaker 14: we fought in that gold in Mozambique, Zimbabwe, Mississippi, and Alabama, Georgia,

2487
02:28:04,800 --> 02:28:08,320
Speaker 14: the Caribbean is everywhere. Uh, the same thing was happening.

2488
02:28:08,680 --> 02:28:10,840
Speaker 14: So we were able to push him back a little

2489
02:28:10,879 --> 02:28:15,039
Speaker 14: bit in the sixties, but down they're coming back even

2490
02:28:15,160 --> 02:28:18,360
Speaker 14: strong and more killers and murderers. Because you can see

2491
02:28:18,440 --> 02:28:22,000
Speaker 14: genocide in the Congo right now. You can see genocide

2492
02:28:22,040 --> 02:28:27,560
Speaker 14: in in Uh in many places in the world. And

2493
02:28:27,680 --> 02:28:30,440
Speaker 14: that place that we used to be proud of, Uh,

2494
02:28:30,760 --> 02:28:33,480
Speaker 14: they're bombing it now and just bombing in our existence.

2495
02:28:34,040 --> 02:28:40,480
Speaker 14: So some young men in Kina, Foxa, Niger and Mali

2496
02:28:41,200 --> 02:28:44,000
Speaker 14: and my and my maleid especially that's a place where

2497
02:28:44,000 --> 02:28:45,000
Speaker 14: all that gold was.

2498
02:28:45,280 --> 02:28:45,400
Speaker 6: Uh.

2499
02:28:45,800 --> 02:28:47,840
Speaker 14: The richest man ever lived in the world was and

2500
02:28:48,400 --> 02:28:51,840
Speaker 14: was Marsa Musa or they had because the whole country

2501
02:28:51,959 --> 02:28:55,800
Speaker 14: had gold, and that they would give gold away. And

2502
02:28:56,000 --> 02:29:00,280
Speaker 14: they bobbed them to Mali and killed them. And and

2503
02:29:00,520 --> 02:29:03,760
Speaker 14: now the people in Mali had been suffering a long

2504
02:29:03,959 --> 02:29:09,360
Speaker 14: long time. And so the reisly Uh Marlee died you

2505
02:29:09,680 --> 02:29:14,360
Speaker 14: and became a Fasso. They united and they ran the

2506
02:29:14,520 --> 02:29:17,119
Speaker 14: French out. They ran the United States out, and ran

2507
02:29:17,200 --> 02:29:19,800
Speaker 14: all these big companies out. And now you got a

2508
02:29:19,920 --> 02:29:24,080
Speaker 14: country that got from young presidents and they got an

2509
02:29:24,200 --> 02:29:28,160
Speaker 14: armist Uh and they have a matter of fact, Mali

2510
02:29:28,320 --> 02:29:31,560
Speaker 14: had a president named Odibo Keta Uh and in the

2511
02:29:31,680 --> 02:29:34,879
Speaker 14: sixties he was just like the young president you got

2512
02:29:34,920 --> 02:29:38,400
Speaker 14: in Mali now, trying to unite Africa. And he came

2513
02:29:38,480 --> 02:29:42,440
Speaker 14: back home and the French they assassinated and killed him.

2514
02:29:42,800 --> 02:29:45,080
Speaker 14: And then they put in power who they wanted in

2515
02:29:45,640 --> 02:29:48,080
Speaker 14: where they could continue to take the gold and diamonds

2516
02:29:48,120 --> 02:29:51,520
Speaker 14: out and send it to Europe. And then in In

2517
02:29:51,680 --> 02:29:55,960
Speaker 14: became a fosso they had a president named Thomas Chicagi

2518
02:29:56,480 --> 02:29:59,640
Speaker 14: and Thomas Kai was a firing president young man, and

2519
02:29:59,760 --> 02:30:04,160
Speaker 14: he had taken the richness and began to build houses

2520
02:30:04,280 --> 02:30:06,440
Speaker 14: in school and put your children in school, and do

2521
02:30:06,560 --> 02:30:09,120
Speaker 14: for the children, and let him drink a clean drop

2522
02:30:09,200 --> 02:30:11,680
Speaker 14: of water trying to get toilets forum, but they never

2523
02:30:11,800 --> 02:30:14,720
Speaker 14: had trying to give him some medical care which had

2524
02:30:14,840 --> 02:30:17,440
Speaker 14: never had to watch him die if they didn't have it.

2525
02:30:17,879 --> 02:30:19,760
Speaker 14: And that he began to try to help his people,

2526
02:30:20,280 --> 02:30:23,000
Speaker 14: and the prince paid the Uncle Tom, his best friend,

2527
02:30:23,680 --> 02:30:27,440
Speaker 14: paid him and encouraged him to help him. And one

2528
02:30:27,520 --> 02:30:31,400
Speaker 14: day he was having a meeting his uncle Tom friends

2529
02:30:31,520 --> 02:30:34,600
Speaker 14: showed up and started shooting and killed about twelve of

2530
02:30:35,160 --> 02:30:38,800
Speaker 14: his cabinet members and killed Thomas Sakari. And I was

2531
02:30:38,800 --> 02:30:40,280
Speaker 14: a matter of fact, when I was there, I was

2532
02:30:40,360 --> 02:30:44,640
Speaker 14: at a big beautiful statue of Thomas ICII and holding

2533
02:30:44,680 --> 02:30:49,560
Speaker 14: the black power fits up and that. But he was murdered.

2534
02:30:49,959 --> 02:30:54,280
Speaker 14: But they went out throughout Africa murdering leaders, murdering like

2535
02:30:54,400 --> 02:30:58,720
Speaker 14: kwamikooman little moon in the Congo, and all the people

2536
02:30:58,760 --> 02:31:02,120
Speaker 14: that murdered in South Africa, and they continued to do

2537
02:31:02,200 --> 02:31:04,720
Speaker 14: it like the murdered Martin Luther King and Malcolm X

2538
02:31:04,920 --> 02:31:07,760
Speaker 14: and Mayorgar Evans and the lists go on and on

2539
02:31:08,080 --> 02:31:11,680
Speaker 14: into thousands and millions that they have killed and murdered.

2540
02:31:12,120 --> 02:31:15,760
Speaker 14: So but Kina Passo, Uh, they got a president's i'm

2541
02:31:16,160 --> 02:31:20,080
Speaker 14: uh and and pre president of the United and they

2542
02:31:20,160 --> 02:31:23,320
Speaker 14: got a country that they're now trying to use the

2543
02:31:23,440 --> 02:31:26,600
Speaker 14: natural resauce and be a cold factory and indust fish

2544
02:31:27,000 --> 02:31:31,760
Speaker 14: and give the people uh likes water housing, put all

2545
02:31:31,840 --> 02:31:34,879
Speaker 14: the children back in school, build schools for the children,

2546
02:31:35,400 --> 02:31:39,000
Speaker 14: and those kinds of things. But uh, the United States

2547
02:31:39,080 --> 02:31:42,760
Speaker 14: and France they've tried to kill him over twenty times.

2548
02:31:43,160 --> 02:31:46,400
Speaker 14: And Russias in a one hundred thousand troops just to

2549
02:31:46,520 --> 02:31:48,840
Speaker 14: protect them and gave them all kinds of drolls and

2550
02:31:49,400 --> 02:31:53,480
Speaker 14: tanks and Ak party seven weapons and all that. And

2551
02:31:53,640 --> 02:31:56,560
Speaker 14: I was able to be there to witness that. And

2552
02:31:56,680 --> 02:32:00,160
Speaker 14: it's a beautiful thing. The country's very very be a

2553
02:32:00,400 --> 02:32:03,360
Speaker 14: large country and it's got a lot of people in it,

2554
02:32:03,840 --> 02:32:06,560
Speaker 14: and that they're looking good and that they're giving the

2555
02:32:06,600 --> 02:32:09,800
Speaker 14: people houses. Uh letting people come back over there and

2556
02:32:09,879 --> 02:32:12,680
Speaker 14: get houses very cheap. And the people over there, when

2557
02:32:12,680 --> 02:32:15,120
Speaker 14: you get house, you're not in debt. You get a

2558
02:32:15,200 --> 02:32:18,240
Speaker 14: house with even the people that build houses, they make

2559
02:32:18,320 --> 02:32:20,840
Speaker 14: sure it's paid for the day you move, the day

2560
02:32:20,879 --> 02:32:23,840
Speaker 14: you finished building it. It's your house and you have

2561
02:32:24,120 --> 02:32:26,480
Speaker 14: no debt to pay. And they want to give people

2562
02:32:26,959 --> 02:32:31,000
Speaker 14: free life, free gas, free water, and medicine and Cuba

2563
02:32:31,640 --> 02:32:35,560
Speaker 14: and uh, other nations like Venezuela, they went there, they

2564
02:32:35,640 --> 02:32:38,400
Speaker 14: helped them too, and they helpen to be a medical

2565
02:32:38,520 --> 02:32:44,160
Speaker 14: centers and build hospitals just the community and these things

2566
02:32:44,200 --> 02:32:44,600
Speaker 14: are free.

2567
02:32:45,080 --> 02:32:48,760
Speaker 1: And that right there, Willie thought, right there, we got

2568
02:32:48,840 --> 02:32:51,200
Speaker 1: to step aside a few ons and we come back here.

2569
02:32:51,280 --> 02:32:54,160
Speaker 1: The revolutionary fights that you've been in across the country,

2570
02:32:54,160 --> 02:32:56,920
Speaker 1: across the world, but state side, let's rull it back

2571
02:32:56,959 --> 02:33:00,520
Speaker 1: to the sixties. Was there an effort to be more

2572
02:33:00,840 --> 02:33:04,120
Speaker 1: on the revolutionary side, more aggressive side? And if so,

2573
02:33:04,440 --> 02:33:08,000
Speaker 1: was it doctor King's influence while you guys never really

2574
02:33:08,080 --> 02:33:10,120
Speaker 1: took it to that level. I'll let you respond to

2575
02:33:10,160 --> 02:33:11,440
Speaker 1: that when we get back. And we got some folks

2576
02:33:11,480 --> 02:33:13,800
Speaker 1: got questions for you as well. Eight hundred four or

2577
02:33:13,840 --> 02:33:16,600
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six. We got an icon

2578
02:33:16,680 --> 02:33:19,360
Speaker 1: with us this morning. His name is Willy Mocassa Wicks.

2579
02:33:19,480 --> 02:33:23,160
Speaker 1: I mentioned in mantre, doctor King Stokey Carmichael, Kwame Terray,

2580
02:33:24,040 --> 02:33:25,959
Speaker 1: Marrying Barry, all the members of Snake. He was there,

2581
02:33:26,000 --> 02:33:29,120
Speaker 1: the snakest guy who coined the phrase black power. You

2582
02:33:29,160 --> 02:33:31,000
Speaker 1: want to speak to him eight hundred four or five

2583
02:33:31,120 --> 02:33:34,080
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll take your phone

2584
02:33:34,120 --> 02:33:36,960
Speaker 1: calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for sticking with

2585
02:33:37,080 --> 02:33:39,360
Speaker 1: us on this Thursday morning. We have a living legend

2586
02:33:39,440 --> 02:33:41,480
Speaker 1: with us this morning. His name is Willy Ricks. As

2587
02:33:41,520 --> 02:33:43,800
Speaker 1: I mentioned, most of the folks were in Snake back

2588
02:33:43,840 --> 02:33:46,440
Speaker 1: in the sixties. They've moved on, but now Willy is

2589
02:33:46,440 --> 02:33:48,520
Speaker 1: still with us and he's here to tell the story.

2590
02:33:48,680 --> 02:33:51,080
Speaker 1: And my question to her before before I left to break,

2591
02:33:51,160 --> 02:33:53,160
Speaker 1: my question to him was the fact it was all

2592
02:33:53,200 --> 02:33:56,199
Speaker 1: of those revolutionary ties he talked about. It was involved

2593
02:33:56,320 --> 02:33:59,160
Speaker 1: on the African continent. Yes, so they faced the same

2594
02:33:59,240 --> 02:34:02,240
Speaker 1: thing that our well, our people facing the sixties. But

2595
02:34:02,320 --> 02:34:06,840
Speaker 1: in the sixties we didn't respond aggressively or militarily to

2596
02:34:07,240 --> 02:34:10,360
Speaker 1: the to what we were facing. I guess my base

2597
02:34:10,440 --> 02:34:12,680
Speaker 1: of my question was that because of doctor King's influence.

2598
02:34:14,160 --> 02:34:19,960
Speaker 14: Uh, No matter of fact, H Trav Brown snick Uh

2599
02:34:20,320 --> 02:34:23,160
Speaker 14: we snick created the Black Panther Party. We had to

2600
02:34:23,160 --> 02:34:27,000
Speaker 14: pick up guns in Alabama to protect ourselves. You remember

2601
02:34:27,080 --> 02:34:32,200
Speaker 14: they killed Mega heavy three civilized workers by Juluzo Uh

2602
02:34:32,600 --> 02:34:34,720
Speaker 14: and you could name does the people that they killed,

2603
02:34:34,840 --> 02:34:39,879
Speaker 14: burnt down churches, burnt down schools, And we were under

2604
02:34:39,920 --> 02:34:43,720
Speaker 14: attack and Doctor King's life was threatened from the men

2605
02:34:43,800 --> 02:34:47,400
Speaker 14: in each start uh speaking up and that it was

2606
02:34:47,400 --> 02:34:50,360
Speaker 14: a snick that kept calling it out. We called we

2607
02:34:50,640 --> 02:34:54,280
Speaker 14: joined in with South Africa, we went against the war

2608
02:34:54,320 --> 02:34:57,480
Speaker 14: in Vietnam, and we called out what the United States

2609
02:34:57,600 --> 02:35:00,520
Speaker 14: was doing around the world. It was Malcolm X that said,

2610
02:35:00,879 --> 02:35:03,400
Speaker 14: you can't understand what they're doing in Washington, d c.

2611
02:35:05,160 --> 02:35:08,279
Speaker 14: To our people, or what they're doing in Mississippi or Alabama,

2612
02:35:08,400 --> 02:35:10,960
Speaker 14: Georgia unless you understand what they're doing in Africa and

2613
02:35:11,040 --> 02:35:16,320
Speaker 14: the caribbe is in Vietnam and other places around the world.

2614
02:35:16,440 --> 02:35:18,879
Speaker 14: So you have to have a world view. And when

2615
02:35:18,920 --> 02:35:20,920
Speaker 14: you have a world view, you will see a system

2616
02:35:21,040 --> 02:35:26,200
Speaker 14: called imperialism, which is militaryism, and they're killing and exterminating

2617
02:35:26,240 --> 02:35:31,160
Speaker 14: people around the world, and that Snick kept educating King.

2618
02:35:31,280 --> 02:35:33,800
Speaker 14: It was Snick that spoke out against the war in Vietnam.

2619
02:35:34,400 --> 02:35:37,160
Speaker 14: It was Snick that organized the Black Panther Party. It

2620
02:35:37,280 --> 02:35:39,720
Speaker 14: was Snick that had leaders like Stoke to Cormack or

2621
02:35:39,879 --> 02:35:44,120
Speaker 14: h Trap Brown, Jim Forman that was speaking out and pushing.

2622
02:35:44,520 --> 02:35:47,680
Speaker 14: It was Snick that educated doctor King to what was

2623
02:35:47,720 --> 02:35:51,400
Speaker 14: happening and began to pour doctor King away from what

2624
02:35:51,640 --> 02:35:55,240
Speaker 14: Malcolm X called the Big Six that kept him on

2625
02:35:55,360 --> 02:35:57,920
Speaker 14: a weak position and not telling the truth. And it

2626
02:35:58,080 --> 02:36:02,600
Speaker 14: was Snick that people when they started burning down Detroit

2627
02:36:02,760 --> 02:36:05,200
Speaker 14: in these cities, it was Snick and curaged them to

2628
02:36:05,280 --> 02:36:08,200
Speaker 14: burn them to fight and even join them in the fight.

2629
02:36:08,720 --> 02:36:11,920
Speaker 14: And that doctor Kean first held back on it. But

2630
02:36:12,080 --> 02:36:16,160
Speaker 14: it was doctor Keene now become a Snick educated doctor Keny.

2631
02:36:16,800 --> 02:36:20,680
Speaker 14: We educated by actions. One time, we had the whole

2632
02:36:20,840 --> 02:36:23,640
Speaker 14: United States on fire because they were fighting, because they

2633
02:36:23,680 --> 02:36:26,040
Speaker 14: were oppressed, and they were being killed and murdered and

2634
02:36:26,200 --> 02:36:29,760
Speaker 14: home starving and tired of their oppression. And there was

2635
02:36:29,879 --> 02:36:32,000
Speaker 14: Snick that was on the front line with that, and

2636
02:36:32,080 --> 02:36:35,160
Speaker 14: they had That's why they jailed Rach Trapp Brown, That's

2637
02:36:35,200 --> 02:36:38,280
Speaker 14: why they went in Soaker and many other of our

2638
02:36:38,360 --> 02:36:41,720
Speaker 14: leaders But when doctor King began to call them out

2639
02:36:42,080 --> 02:36:44,680
Speaker 14: and call America the greatest terrorists in the world, the

2640
02:36:44,760 --> 02:36:48,720
Speaker 14: greatest comportrade of violence in the world. America starving people

2641
02:36:48,800 --> 02:36:52,400
Speaker 14: to death, sending people to bed home gard right here

2642
02:36:52,440 --> 02:36:55,360
Speaker 14: in the United States, putting people under the bridges, now

2643
02:36:57,320 --> 02:37:00,560
Speaker 14: filling the jails and prisons with our children. They got

2644
02:37:00,600 --> 02:37:03,560
Speaker 14: the military in our communities and our beating our people

2645
02:37:04,000 --> 02:37:07,440
Speaker 14: and doing whatever they want to do, committing terrorism. And

2646
02:37:07,600 --> 02:37:10,280
Speaker 14: that's what they do. And when doctor King came to

2647
02:37:10,480 --> 02:37:14,360
Speaker 14: reality it and got an understanding of it, he began

2648
02:37:14,480 --> 02:37:16,760
Speaker 14: to call it out and tell the truth. And that's

2649
02:37:16,760 --> 02:37:19,040
Speaker 14: when the FBI and the CIA said, we got to

2650
02:37:19,160 --> 02:37:23,480
Speaker 14: kill Martin Luther King because he would sound like a

2651
02:37:23,640 --> 02:37:28,400
Speaker 14: Malcolm X Marcus Garvin. And these men are truth tellers,

2652
02:37:28,480 --> 02:37:32,800
Speaker 14: and they're exposing the United States. They're exposing the Democratic Party,

2653
02:37:33,120 --> 02:37:36,520
Speaker 14: they're exposed in the Republican Board, they're exposing the United

2654
02:37:36,560 --> 02:37:39,120
Speaker 14: States government. And they said, we got to kill him.

2655
02:37:39,320 --> 02:37:41,520
Speaker 14: And that's why they murdered Martin Luther King. I hate

2656
02:37:41,640 --> 02:37:44,200
Speaker 14: let's win him. That morning they killed him when he

2657
02:37:44,360 --> 02:37:46,640
Speaker 14: was going back on his way back to Memphis. At

2658
02:37:47,080 --> 02:37:49,040
Speaker 14: I sit down in the restaurroom we hate, and he

2659
02:37:49,080 --> 02:37:51,520
Speaker 14: asked me to go win him by an assignment. And

2660
02:37:51,680 --> 02:37:54,160
Speaker 14: in Memphis. When he got to Memphis, the young black

2661
02:37:54,200 --> 02:37:58,199
Speaker 14: people a group called the Invaders and the most mobilized

2662
02:37:58,240 --> 02:38:02,240
Speaker 14: by Black Power movement, and they were marching and they

2663
02:38:02,280 --> 02:38:05,280
Speaker 14: were throwing bricks. But the United States Government and the

2664
02:38:05,520 --> 02:38:09,680
Speaker 14: Army and the Army intelligence they got in the march

2665
02:38:10,040 --> 02:38:14,160
Speaker 14: and and had and began to agitate and throw bricks

2666
02:38:14,520 --> 02:38:18,000
Speaker 14: and and and encourage the police to attack. It was

2667
02:38:18,080 --> 02:38:21,600
Speaker 14: the United States Government, the Army, the Navy, and all

2668
02:38:21,680 --> 02:38:25,959
Speaker 14: of them was uh In meffit to kill Martin Luther King.

2669
02:38:26,360 --> 02:38:30,280
Speaker 14: So the United States Government they plotted to kill Martin

2670
02:38:30,360 --> 02:38:32,640
Speaker 14: Luther King, and they shot him in the mouth. And

2671
02:38:32,720 --> 02:38:35,840
Speaker 14: by the month a little bit of more month before

2672
02:38:35,879 --> 02:38:38,080
Speaker 14: they killed I told him, Martin, they out to get you.

2673
02:38:38,320 --> 02:38:40,560
Speaker 14: And now I could see it because they had killed

2674
02:38:40,720 --> 02:38:43,199
Speaker 14: so many people. They were just going to our houses

2675
02:38:43,480 --> 02:38:46,240
Speaker 14: shooting us down and kicking our dose down and going

2676
02:38:46,320 --> 02:38:49,480
Speaker 14: in shooting us just like they did Fred Hampton uh

2677
02:38:49,600 --> 02:38:52,800
Speaker 14: Mark Clark in Chicago. But they was doing it around

2678
02:38:52,840 --> 02:38:55,440
Speaker 14: the country, and we began to call it out. And

2679
02:38:55,560 --> 02:38:58,520
Speaker 14: when we called it out, we were targets. And that

2680
02:38:58,680 --> 02:39:01,760
Speaker 14: we spoke out against the war in Vietnam and began

2681
02:39:01,920 --> 02:39:06,440
Speaker 14: to use the word imperialism and colonialism and say, these

2682
02:39:06,520 --> 02:39:09,120
Speaker 14: people go into places dropping bombs on people. If you

2683
02:39:09,200 --> 02:39:13,720
Speaker 14: got natural resources, dropping bombs on you and killing tiars

2684
02:39:13,800 --> 02:39:17,320
Speaker 14: the thousand people to get your natural resources. And this

2685
02:39:17,400 --> 02:39:19,040
Speaker 14: is what they did in the Congo, this is what

2686
02:39:19,160 --> 02:39:21,160
Speaker 14: they did in Vietnam. This is what they're doing around

2687
02:39:21,200 --> 02:39:24,200
Speaker 14: the world. So we began to call it out. We

2688
02:39:24,320 --> 02:39:26,720
Speaker 14: spoke out against the war in Vietnam. Matter of fact,

2689
02:39:27,120 --> 02:39:34,080
Speaker 14: on March sixth. On January sixth, nineteen six six, we

2690
02:39:34,200 --> 02:39:37,280
Speaker 14: spoke out against the war in Vietnam. We opposed to war,

2691
02:39:37,680 --> 02:39:40,480
Speaker 14: and they went at Julian Bond, who was an officer

2692
02:39:40,640 --> 02:39:44,120
Speaker 14: in the legislative. They kicked him out, and you spoke

2693
02:39:44,160 --> 02:39:46,960
Speaker 14: out against the war in Vietnam, put them off the legislature,

2694
02:39:48,280 --> 02:39:51,560
Speaker 14: and they began to attack us and put Snick Pep

2695
02:39:51,640 --> 02:39:54,840
Speaker 14: in prison for picking against the war in Vietnam. And

2696
02:39:54,920 --> 02:39:57,520
Speaker 14: when we spoke out against the war in Vietnam, we

2697
02:39:57,680 --> 02:40:00,240
Speaker 14: asked doctor Kam to speak out against it, and he

2698
02:40:00,879 --> 02:40:04,320
Speaker 14: later was forced to speak out because tens of thousands

2699
02:40:04,360 --> 02:40:07,880
Speaker 14: of people black people, brown people, red, pretty Yellow people

2700
02:40:08,400 --> 02:40:11,680
Speaker 14: was out in the streets, five millions of people opposing

2701
02:40:11,720 --> 02:40:14,360
Speaker 14: the war in Vietnam, saying what they were doing in

2702
02:40:14,520 --> 02:40:18,720
Speaker 14: Vietnam was disgraceful and wrong, and we was against the war.

2703
02:40:19,120 --> 02:40:25,800
Speaker 14: And when Doctor King on March April fourth, nineteen six

2704
02:40:25,920 --> 02:40:28,800
Speaker 14: or seven, spoke out against the war in Vietnam, and

2705
02:40:28,879 --> 02:40:31,440
Speaker 14: when he spoke out against the war in Vietnam, he

2706
02:40:31,520 --> 02:40:34,520
Speaker 14: spoke out wild post the war in Vietnam. And when

2707
02:40:34,520 --> 02:40:38,879
Speaker 14: he made that speech that was written by Vincent Hardy,

2708
02:40:39,280 --> 02:40:42,520
Speaker 14: but he made a speech and condemned America and called

2709
02:40:42,640 --> 02:40:45,640
Speaker 14: America the greatest terrorists and the greatest perpetrator of violence

2710
02:40:45,760 --> 02:40:48,280
Speaker 14: in the world. You're dropping bombs all over the world.

2711
02:40:48,720 --> 02:40:54,160
Speaker 14: And he recognized that when we had told him about Palestine,

2712
02:40:54,520 --> 02:40:58,119
Speaker 14: how they killed went to Palestine. The Zionists went to Palestine,

2713
02:40:58,240 --> 02:41:02,320
Speaker 14: killed the Palestinian people and claimed that land. And today

2714
02:41:02,840 --> 02:41:06,560
Speaker 14: we see forty years, sixty years, seventy years later, they

2715
02:41:06,640 --> 02:41:10,160
Speaker 14: still killing the Palestinians. And just recently they killed on

2716
02:41:10,720 --> 02:41:14,920
Speaker 14: over one hundred thousand Palestinians, probably fifty thousand men, women

2717
02:41:15,040 --> 02:41:18,520
Speaker 14: and babies, women and children and babies. And this is

2718
02:41:18,560 --> 02:41:20,840
Speaker 14: what they're doing. And all those bombs coming from the

2719
02:41:21,000 --> 02:41:28,360
Speaker 14: United States, the United States, the Democrat and Republicans, Obama, Clinton,

2720
02:41:29,480 --> 02:41:34,039
Speaker 14: all of them killing the people in Palestani, committed genocide

2721
02:41:34,080 --> 02:41:37,160
Speaker 14: on the people in Palisan, and all the news media

2722
02:41:37,320 --> 02:41:39,160
Speaker 14: come it up because all of them are in the

2723
02:41:39,240 --> 02:41:43,600
Speaker 14: bed with Zionism, Democrats and Republicans and they act like

2724
02:41:43,720 --> 02:41:47,400
Speaker 14: as normal as okay. And now we see that war

2725
02:41:47,560 --> 02:41:50,840
Speaker 14: machine going to other places in the world. And they've

2726
02:41:50,879 --> 02:41:55,560
Speaker 14: been bombing Yamen for years and years. By of fact,

2727
02:41:55,560 --> 02:41:58,640
Speaker 14: they even killed the American citizens when they killed the Lockey,

2728
02:41:59,000 --> 02:42:02,720
Speaker 14: when they assassinated him. Obama assassinated him and then to

2729
02:42:02,840 --> 02:42:05,600
Speaker 14: make sure his son was fifteen, didn't say nothing about it.

2730
02:42:05,959 --> 02:42:08,879
Speaker 14: He was sitting in the cafe eaton and they dropped

2731
02:42:08,920 --> 02:42:11,440
Speaker 14: bombs on the cafe just to kill the son. And

2732
02:42:11,600 --> 02:42:13,240
Speaker 14: this is what they're doing. And then when you go

2733
02:42:13,320 --> 02:42:16,240
Speaker 14: to Somalia, they've been dropping bombs on somebody for the

2734
02:42:16,360 --> 02:42:20,240
Speaker 14: last twenty thirty years. They've been dropping bombs into Sudan.

2735
02:42:20,920 --> 02:42:23,120
Speaker 14: One of the things Obama did, the last thing he

2736
02:42:23,240 --> 02:42:26,160
Speaker 14: did when he was president, he dropped bombs on somebody,

2737
02:42:26,320 --> 02:42:32,160
Speaker 14: tons of bombs on Somalia, on Sudan, killing thousands of people.

2738
02:42:32,520 --> 02:42:36,200
Speaker 14: And then you saw that Clinton buying Obama. They went

2739
02:42:36,280 --> 02:42:39,959
Speaker 14: to Libya, a rich country for the all. They went

2740
02:42:40,000 --> 02:42:44,119
Speaker 14: to Libya and killed tens of thousands of people twenty

2741
02:42:44,240 --> 02:42:46,920
Speaker 14: thirty forty fifty one hundred thighs and they're still dropping

2742
02:42:46,959 --> 02:42:50,320
Speaker 14: bombs on Libya. And they went from the richest nation

2743
02:42:50,480 --> 02:42:52,800
Speaker 14: and wanted the richest nations in the world to wonder

2744
02:42:52,879 --> 02:42:54,920
Speaker 14: for his nation in the world. And they dropped so

2745
02:42:55,000 --> 02:42:57,240
Speaker 14: many bombs on the Libya glo up all the cities

2746
02:42:57,280 --> 02:43:00,600
Speaker 14: and stuff that they had thousands of black people running

2747
02:43:00,680 --> 02:43:04,440
Speaker 14: from bomb fire everywhere, running from bomb jumping into the

2748
02:43:04,520 --> 02:43:07,680
Speaker 14: ocean trying to get away from the American bombs and

2749
02:43:07,760 --> 02:43:10,840
Speaker 14: stuff like that. And now we see America dropping bombs

2750
02:43:10,879 --> 02:43:17,720
Speaker 14: throughout Africa, and they dropping bombs in Venezuela as we

2751
02:43:17,879 --> 02:43:18,800
Speaker 14: see right now.

2752
02:43:19,400 --> 02:43:20,720
Speaker 1: All right, hold on, all right, They got a bunch

2753
02:43:20,720 --> 02:43:22,800
Speaker 1: of folks want to talk to you, Willy, twenty nine

2754
02:43:22,840 --> 02:43:25,280
Speaker 1: minutes away for the top of our family. This is

2755
02:43:25,320 --> 02:43:28,640
Speaker 1: a real treat here because again he's probably the last

2756
02:43:28,720 --> 02:43:30,760
Speaker 1: of the sixties icons that are still with us, and

2757
02:43:30,879 --> 02:43:33,080
Speaker 1: he's here to tell the story. Now you can speak

2758
02:43:33,080 --> 02:43:35,440
Speaker 1: to him at eight hundred and four five zero seventy

2759
02:43:35,480 --> 02:43:39,400
Speaker 1: eight seventy six, Brother Ross Jomas calling from Buffalo's Online one,

2760
02:43:39,480 --> 02:43:42,200
Speaker 1: Grand Rising, Ross Joma, your question for Willie Race.

2761
02:43:43,560 --> 02:43:44,440
Speaker 8: Yes, Grand Rising.

2762
02:43:44,560 --> 02:43:44,800
Speaker 3: Thanks.

2763
02:43:45,080 --> 02:43:48,039
Speaker 8: We had a chance to talk briefly when you were

2764
02:43:48,080 --> 02:43:52,840
Speaker 8: in Burkina Fasso was sister only Mansa and that group there.

2765
02:43:53,600 --> 02:43:56,240
Speaker 8: Krole just said that you're one of the ones who

2766
02:43:56,320 --> 02:43:58,720
Speaker 8: were in the sixties and at the same time you're

2767
02:43:58,800 --> 02:44:03,640
Speaker 8: watching this renewal of African growth and resistance. Can you

2768
02:44:03,720 --> 02:44:08,400
Speaker 8: talk about the importance of simultaneously studying what happened in

2769
02:44:08,480 --> 02:44:12,760
Speaker 8: the sixties in America and also what happened in the sixties,

2770
02:44:12,920 --> 02:44:16,600
Speaker 8: especially in Africa, and how important it is for us

2771
02:44:16,680 --> 02:44:20,520
Speaker 8: to know what methods were used against all of us

2772
02:44:21,080 --> 02:44:24,039
Speaker 8: to keep us apart. When Howy Slats came to America,

2773
02:44:24,160 --> 02:44:27,200
Speaker 8: he was saying how important it is that everybody in

2774
02:44:27,320 --> 02:44:31,039
Speaker 8: Africa is watching the struggle that African Americans are going through,

2775
02:44:31,120 --> 02:44:33,160
Speaker 8: and that our struggle is one and the same. Can

2776
02:44:33,240 --> 02:44:35,040
Speaker 8: you talk about that in the twenty first century and

2777
02:44:35,080 --> 02:44:37,520
Speaker 8: how important that is for us to know that right now?

2778
02:44:38,879 --> 02:44:39,080
Speaker 12: Yeah?

2779
02:44:39,120 --> 02:44:42,320
Speaker 14: Well, thanks African you made it very clear you said

2780
02:44:42,360 --> 02:44:44,760
Speaker 14: our struggle is one and the same and that they

2781
02:44:44,840 --> 02:44:47,080
Speaker 14: put us on slave shifts and scattered us all over

2782
02:44:47,160 --> 02:44:50,039
Speaker 14: the world and made slaves out of that. We continue

2783
02:44:50,040 --> 02:44:52,840
Speaker 14: to be in that condition wherever we are in the world,

2784
02:44:53,240 --> 02:44:55,640
Speaker 14: and that we can never find freedom until we take

2785
02:44:55,720 --> 02:44:59,039
Speaker 14: Africa back. Africa is your land and a free Africa,

2786
02:44:59,160 --> 02:45:02,480
Speaker 14: free United st socialist Africa. Socialism too got to be

2787
02:45:02,520 --> 02:45:06,160
Speaker 14: the economic system socialist apple. That means you share all

2788
02:45:06,240 --> 02:45:09,440
Speaker 14: the rist to give everybody life, gas, water, housing and

2789
02:45:09,520 --> 02:45:12,000
Speaker 14: all the things that they need with our money. Money

2790
02:45:12,000 --> 02:45:14,760
Speaker 14: ain't nothing but paper. Do do paper with their enemies

2791
02:45:14,800 --> 02:45:17,280
Speaker 14: pitch on it. And that we don't need money, we

2792
02:45:17,440 --> 02:45:19,880
Speaker 14: need we got the natural resource and regional people in

2793
02:45:19,920 --> 02:45:24,640
Speaker 14: the world, and that all our deathinies are tied together Africa.

2794
02:45:24,959 --> 02:45:28,959
Speaker 14: So the same thing that's happening in Africa, it's happening

2795
02:45:29,000 --> 02:45:31,000
Speaker 14: to us right here in the United States, right in

2796
02:45:31,120 --> 02:45:34,560
Speaker 14: the Caribbeans, are in the South Pacific and all over

2797
02:45:34,640 --> 02:45:37,000
Speaker 14: the world where we are. And that's what we mean

2798
02:45:37,080 --> 02:45:40,240
Speaker 14: by pan Afaganism is that we build a Pan Africans

2799
02:45:40,400 --> 02:45:44,320
Speaker 14: organization like organizations in Kuma try to build all African

2800
02:45:44,400 --> 02:45:48,160
Speaker 14: people's revolutionary Party. Well, we began to add the logically

2801
02:45:48,680 --> 02:45:50,840
Speaker 14: educate our people, get all this white stuff out of

2802
02:45:50,879 --> 02:45:53,200
Speaker 14: their head, brainwash, stuff crazy and stuff out of their

2803
02:45:53,240 --> 02:45:55,400
Speaker 14: head that these white folks can put in their heads

2804
02:45:55,480 --> 02:45:59,840
Speaker 14: in the schools and institutions and created all these dumb

2805
02:46:00,240 --> 02:46:03,480
Speaker 14: that's called themselves doctors and doctor that all of course

2806
02:46:03,520 --> 02:46:06,280
Speaker 14: they memorize. A few pages of the white Man hit

2807
02:46:06,360 --> 02:46:09,160
Speaker 14: still come from Sony. The white man told me, and

2808
02:46:09,240 --> 02:46:11,480
Speaker 14: he called them doctors if they memorized.

2809
02:46:11,560 --> 02:46:11,960
Speaker 4: But they ain't.

2810
02:46:12,000 --> 02:46:15,480
Speaker 14: No, they ain't did nothing to bring on confuting and dumbness.

2811
02:46:15,800 --> 02:46:18,080
Speaker 14: And that we need to freedom fighters who out here

2812
02:46:18,080 --> 02:46:21,600
Speaker 14: in the streets fighting, organizing and educating our people. And

2813
02:46:21,680 --> 02:46:24,600
Speaker 14: that what we're saying is that those diamonds and gold

2814
02:46:24,680 --> 02:46:27,520
Speaker 14: and all the silver and coffin, pearl and cobo, I

2815
02:46:27,640 --> 02:46:31,160
Speaker 14: mean it's billions or tons of it, mountains of gold,

2816
02:46:31,640 --> 02:46:35,760
Speaker 14: and we come together as the African people unite worldwide,

2817
02:46:36,240 --> 02:46:38,440
Speaker 14: I mean all of us. Well, can you in deep

2818
02:46:38,520 --> 02:46:42,360
Speaker 14: Sea or Alabama, or the Congo, or South Africa or

2819
02:46:42,440 --> 02:46:46,200
Speaker 14: the South pacifica the Caribbeans, wherever you are, we are

2820
02:46:46,480 --> 02:46:51,520
Speaker 14: one African people. We have one African land that belonged

2821
02:46:51,560 --> 02:46:54,680
Speaker 14: to us. It's a rich land and we must come together,

2822
02:46:55,240 --> 02:46:59,080
Speaker 14: build our organization and take that land and that we

2823
02:46:59,240 --> 02:47:02,640
Speaker 14: must everyone one of us must now look for organization

2824
02:47:02,840 --> 02:47:06,640
Speaker 14: and come into those organizations and prepare to fight. We

2825
02:47:06,840 --> 02:47:10,160
Speaker 14: need to build a worldwide army. But before you can

2826
02:47:10,240 --> 02:47:13,960
Speaker 14: have an army, you gotta have an organization, and we

2827
02:47:14,120 --> 02:47:17,280
Speaker 14: gotta work for unity. Matter of fact, when they fought

2828
02:47:17,360 --> 02:47:21,720
Speaker 14: in in Ukraine or not Ukraine, that other country up

2829
02:47:22,840 --> 02:47:25,320
Speaker 14: and they saw the United States getting beat out and

2830
02:47:25,520 --> 02:47:28,680
Speaker 14: running for their lives, they drop bombs on the country

2831
02:47:28,760 --> 02:47:32,440
Speaker 14: for twenty something years. But the minute that the people

2832
02:47:32,720 --> 02:47:37,560
Speaker 14: united and say we are united, the United States start running,

2833
02:47:37,720 --> 02:47:40,240
Speaker 14: just like they got run out of Vietnam. You saw

2834
02:47:40,320 --> 02:47:43,279
Speaker 14: the United States running and the Uncle Tom's running behind.

2835
02:47:43,800 --> 02:47:45,920
Speaker 14: And this is what we have to do. If we're

2836
02:47:45,959 --> 02:47:49,040
Speaker 14: going to free Africa. We all people living in the

2837
02:47:49,160 --> 02:47:53,039
Speaker 14: United States, living in the Caribbeans. You can't do nothing

2838
02:47:53,120 --> 02:47:57,320
Speaker 14: here until you work to take back your land. Africa.

2839
02:47:57,760 --> 02:48:00,680
Speaker 14: These people are here, don't give a damn about you.

2840
02:48:00,879 --> 02:48:03,160
Speaker 14: The Democrats don't give a damn about you. They're a

2841
02:48:03,200 --> 02:48:06,320
Speaker 14: bunch of lives and cooked and doing the same things.

2842
02:48:06,720 --> 02:48:09,080
Speaker 14: The Republicans don't give a damn about you. And we

2843
02:48:09,160 --> 02:48:11,760
Speaker 14: need to get out their damn party. Stop running behind

2844
02:48:11,840 --> 02:48:15,039
Speaker 14: that because you ain't getting nothing, and they ain't gonna

2845
02:48:15,080 --> 02:48:18,320
Speaker 14: do nothing for you. They're they're cooks and gangsters, and

2846
02:48:18,400 --> 02:48:20,760
Speaker 14: that all of them ain't nothing but murder us. And

2847
02:48:20,879 --> 02:48:25,120
Speaker 14: the Democrats murdered Martin, Luther Katon and and Malcolm, and

2848
02:48:25,240 --> 02:48:27,480
Speaker 14: that we need to realize that they kill us, and

2849
02:48:27,520 --> 02:48:30,480
Speaker 14: they're doing it all over the world, and so high

2850
02:48:30,520 --> 02:48:34,400
Speaker 14: fighters for Africa. We call it pan Africanism, the total

2851
02:48:34,520 --> 02:48:39,759
Speaker 14: liberation and unification of Africa under the All African scientific

2852
02:48:40,040 --> 02:48:44,240
Speaker 14: Socialist government. And otherwise we say in revolution, we got

2853
02:48:44,320 --> 02:48:46,720
Speaker 14: to run them off our land. The only way you

2854
02:48:46,840 --> 02:48:49,120
Speaker 14: got them out of Vietnam they picked up guns and

2855
02:48:49,200 --> 02:48:51,360
Speaker 14: they ran them out. The only way you got them

2856
02:48:51,400 --> 02:48:53,520
Speaker 14: out of Cuba, they picked up guns and they ran

2857
02:48:53,600 --> 02:48:55,680
Speaker 14: them out. The only way we're gonna get them off

2858
02:48:55,800 --> 02:49:00,480
Speaker 14: our land continent of Africa. We got to organized you night,

2859
02:49:01,040 --> 02:49:03,520
Speaker 14: pick up our weapons and run them out. And that

2860
02:49:03,640 --> 02:49:05,640
Speaker 14: we need to stop playing with you ninast sake. It

2861
02:49:05,680 --> 02:49:08,640
Speaker 14: ain't no one man, It ain't Trump. Trump is a

2862
02:49:08,720 --> 02:49:11,400
Speaker 14: double back the rest of them, but all of them

2863
02:49:11,480 --> 02:49:15,240
Speaker 14: the same, all of them working for imperialism, all of

2864
02:49:15,360 --> 02:49:19,560
Speaker 14: them working for colonialism, neo colonialism, all of them quitting

2865
02:49:19,600 --> 02:49:23,600
Speaker 14: these Uncle Tom, that kill and murder our people for

2866
02:49:24,160 --> 02:49:25,800
Speaker 14: this system, and we need to.

2867
02:49:27,280 --> 02:49:34,240
Speaker 1: Take yeah, old shell break. Really twenty three minutes away

2868
02:49:34,280 --> 02:49:36,000
Speaker 1: from the top. Our family gonna take a final break.

2869
02:49:36,080 --> 02:49:38,039
Speaker 1: I guess is Willie Rix, and he's on fire as

2870
02:49:38,160 --> 02:49:41,000
Speaker 1: usual icon from the sixties I mentioned in March. With

2871
02:49:41,240 --> 02:49:44,000
Speaker 1: many of our civil rights illumerats, he's about the last

2872
02:49:44,000 --> 02:49:45,760
Speaker 1: one that is left. So please pay attention to what

2873
02:49:45,840 --> 02:49:47,720
Speaker 1: he's saying. You want to speak to him eight hundred

2874
02:49:47,800 --> 02:49:50,400
Speaker 1: four five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take

2875
02:49:50,400 --> 02:49:53,360
Speaker 1: the phone calls next and Grand Rising Family, thanks to

2876
02:49:53,400 --> 02:49:55,600
Speaker 1: staying with us on this Thursday morning. I guess there

2877
02:49:55,640 --> 02:49:58,440
Speaker 1: is Willie Rix. WILLI is one of the original civil

2878
02:49:58,520 --> 02:50:00,800
Speaker 1: rights fighters back in the sixties still with us. Most

2879
02:50:00,840 --> 02:50:03,920
Speaker 1: of those are gone, so please listen carefully what he's

2880
02:50:03,959 --> 02:50:05,720
Speaker 1: asked to share with us this morning. Before we go

2881
02:50:05,800 --> 02:50:07,720
Speaker 1: back to me, let me just remind you tomorrow morning

2882
02:50:07,760 --> 02:50:09,680
Speaker 1: it's going to be an open phone Friday. It's the

2883
02:50:09,720 --> 02:50:11,280
Speaker 1: name of the program. We'll give you a chance to

2884
02:50:11,360 --> 02:50:13,200
Speaker 1: free your mind and all that means is to think

2885
02:50:13,240 --> 02:50:15,320
Speaker 1: for yourself, you know, leave the talking points behind and

2886
02:50:15,440 --> 02:50:17,200
Speaker 1: just join us. And when we hear from you, there's

2887
02:50:17,240 --> 02:50:19,000
Speaker 1: something going on in your community you want to share

2888
02:50:19,040 --> 02:50:21,040
Speaker 1: with us, reach out to us at eight hundred four

2889
02:50:21,120 --> 02:50:24,080
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seven six We again promptly

2890
02:50:24,120 --> 02:50:26,480
Speaker 1: at six am Eastern time right here in Baltimore on

2891
02:50:26,600 --> 02:50:30,680
Speaker 1: ten ten WLB. Also at the DMV on fourteen fifty WL.

2892
02:50:30,760 --> 02:50:32,360
Speaker 1: Don't waited the last minute. A lot of folks wad

2893
02:50:32,360 --> 02:50:33,640
Speaker 1: to the last minute, and we never get a chance

2894
02:50:33,680 --> 02:50:35,760
Speaker 1: to hear from them. All right, if you can shut

2895
02:50:35,840 --> 02:50:37,400
Speaker 1: up on the answers, I appreciate you got some folks

2896
02:50:37,400 --> 02:50:39,560
Speaker 1: want to talk to you. Craig's calling from the district

2897
02:50:39,720 --> 02:50:41,920
Speaker 1: is online. Two has a question for you, Grand Rising Craig,

2898
02:50:41,959 --> 02:50:42,959
Speaker 1: you around with Willy Rix.

2899
02:50:45,080 --> 02:50:46,720
Speaker 16: First of all, I want to thank his brother for

2900
02:50:46,800 --> 02:50:50,200
Speaker 16: still being around to speak truth to power to our

2901
02:50:50,280 --> 02:50:52,520
Speaker 16: people because we need to hear that's just like this,

2902
02:50:53,120 --> 02:50:55,440
Speaker 16: like this brother that you have on right now. The

2903
02:50:55,600 --> 02:50:59,320
Speaker 16: problem that we have right now is no slavery, and

2904
02:50:59,640 --> 02:51:02,560
Speaker 16: a lot of black people still believe that you know

2905
02:51:02,760 --> 02:51:05,320
Speaker 16: that white people are going to save us, especially in

2906
02:51:05,400 --> 02:51:08,320
Speaker 16: white liberals and white progressives, white the servants is to

2907
02:51:08,440 --> 02:51:10,760
Speaker 16: their point, they're out front how racist they are.

2908
02:51:11,160 --> 02:51:11,280
Speaker 7: Now.

2909
02:51:11,400 --> 02:51:14,520
Speaker 16: Everything that this brother is saying is accurate. But to me,

2910
02:51:14,840 --> 02:51:17,400
Speaker 16: the real problem is the metal slavery that we have

2911
02:51:18,080 --> 02:51:20,680
Speaker 16: in this country right now. Now, this brother, as you

2912
02:51:20,760 --> 02:51:23,240
Speaker 16: speaking truth to power. You got a lot of black

2913
02:51:23,280 --> 02:51:26,480
Speaker 16: people right now are married to their white partners, and

2914
02:51:26,560 --> 02:51:29,400
Speaker 16: I'm quite sure that their white partners is listening to

2915
02:51:29,560 --> 02:51:32,440
Speaker 16: everything this brother's saying right now and just didn't back

2916
02:51:32,560 --> 02:51:36,080
Speaker 16: laugh because they got their black servants didn't side by

2917
02:51:36,200 --> 02:51:39,039
Speaker 16: side with them. Until we can break our people out

2918
02:51:39,080 --> 02:51:42,080
Speaker 16: of this metal slavery that these white people are going

2919
02:51:42,200 --> 02:51:44,160
Speaker 16: to save us, we're going to still have this problem.

2920
02:51:44,440 --> 02:51:47,000
Speaker 16: Metal slavery is the best is the problem. Look at

2921
02:51:47,040 --> 02:51:49,000
Speaker 16: the conquests of the planning of the Apes, when black

2922
02:51:49,040 --> 02:51:51,520
Speaker 16: people had a chance to liberate themselves, they didn't do it.

2923
02:51:51,800 --> 02:51:54,560
Speaker 16: So until we break black people out of this metal slavery,

2924
02:51:54,640 --> 02:51:56,200
Speaker 16: I don't see what we're going to do. We have

2925
02:51:56,320 --> 02:51:58,520
Speaker 16: to break them out and we need that message. So

2926
02:51:58,800 --> 02:52:01,400
Speaker 16: do what you do, brother, you and I like to

2927
02:52:01,440 --> 02:52:02,440
Speaker 16: hear your comments. Peace.

2928
02:52:04,240 --> 02:52:06,520
Speaker 14: Yeah, thank you very much. And I agree that we

2929
02:52:06,680 --> 02:52:08,840
Speaker 14: have to break out of middle slavery. And but just

2930
02:52:09,000 --> 02:52:12,080
Speaker 14: middle slavery come to all kinds of people, not just

2931
02:52:12,200 --> 02:52:14,200
Speaker 14: black people. It's coming from all kind of people. We

2932
02:52:14,280 --> 02:52:16,520
Speaker 14: have to deal with people. But how they think and

2933
02:52:16,640 --> 02:52:18,880
Speaker 14: how they view the world, and that tell you who

2934
02:52:18,959 --> 02:52:22,080
Speaker 14: your friends are. So I'm saying that we need ideology,

2935
02:52:22,080 --> 02:52:25,520
Speaker 14: and ideology means ideals, and they put these ideas in

2936
02:52:25,680 --> 02:52:29,480
Speaker 14: our heads through these sell phones, through the television, and

2937
02:52:29,600 --> 02:52:32,959
Speaker 14: through all their other propaganda machine. We don't have control

2938
02:52:33,160 --> 02:52:35,879
Speaker 14: of our minds and our faults. And all the people

2939
02:52:35,920 --> 02:52:38,200
Speaker 14: that tried to come to us, like doctor King and

2940
02:52:38,440 --> 02:52:40,960
Speaker 14: began to tell us the truth of Malcolm Ic, they

2941
02:52:41,040 --> 02:52:43,840
Speaker 14: tell us the truth, they assassinate them because one thing

2942
02:52:43,959 --> 02:52:46,840
Speaker 14: that they're afraid of is our people learning the truth

2943
02:52:47,120 --> 02:52:50,120
Speaker 14: and seeing what's happening. That's why God and all of

2944
02:52:50,160 --> 02:52:53,480
Speaker 14: them taught us that we are Africans, we belong to Africa,

2945
02:52:53,560 --> 02:52:57,760
Speaker 14: would never be free, and to Africa free. And Marcus,

2946
02:52:57,800 --> 02:53:02,800
Speaker 14: God also made it them that not only there are

2947
02:53:02,920 --> 02:53:07,400
Speaker 14: black people who think this way and become slave. We

2948
02:53:07,520 --> 02:53:11,560
Speaker 14: call them neo colonists. And they got black armies stretched

2949
02:53:11,600 --> 02:53:14,320
Speaker 14: out throughout the world, and black people in the army

2950
02:53:14,920 --> 02:53:18,840
Speaker 14: right here in our schools, in our institutions, getting our

2951
02:53:18,959 --> 02:53:21,160
Speaker 14: children and putting them in the army. Little girls, that

2952
02:53:21,360 --> 02:53:24,360
Speaker 14: boy twelve, fifteen, twenty years old, putting them in the

2953
02:53:24,520 --> 02:53:26,880
Speaker 14: army and ready to put them on the front line.

2954
02:53:27,000 --> 02:53:33,720
Speaker 14: Regisend them to Bugina Possa, resisend them to Venezuela to

2955
02:53:33,879 --> 02:53:37,359
Speaker 14: kill the people in Venezuela and other people in centers

2956
02:53:37,400 --> 02:53:40,600
Speaker 14: South of America Caribbean. They're doing that and our children

2957
02:53:40,640 --> 02:53:42,280
Speaker 14: on the front line. Talking to a little girl the

2958
02:53:42,320 --> 02:53:45,320
Speaker 14: other day, Gail fourteen, fifteen years old, and I said, yeh,

2959
02:53:45,360 --> 02:53:47,800
Speaker 14: let me send you to Cuba to go to medical school.

2960
02:53:47,800 --> 02:53:49,520
Speaker 14: You know, you can go to medical school and coup

2961
02:53:49,560 --> 02:53:52,039
Speaker 14: I recruit for. You can go to medical school in Cuba.

2962
02:53:52,080 --> 02:53:54,200
Speaker 14: Don't pay no money. Become a doctor where you can

2963
02:53:54,280 --> 02:53:56,360
Speaker 14: help your people. She said, no, I'm not going in,

2964
02:53:56,440 --> 02:53:58,440
Speaker 14: and I'm going into the army of the alf Force

2965
02:53:58,600 --> 02:54:01,840
Speaker 14: or something. I said, why, that's masks, you killing, murdering

2966
02:54:01,879 --> 02:54:04,760
Speaker 14: them whatever? Follow United States. She said, I'm going now,

2967
02:54:04,760 --> 02:54:07,240
Speaker 14: I'm fighting for the flag. So they got these Uncle

2968
02:54:07,320 --> 02:54:11,959
Speaker 14: Tom's at our schools teaching our children. On Howard University's campus,

2969
02:54:12,200 --> 02:54:16,000
Speaker 14: you see military boys and girls walking around those military suits,

2970
02:54:16,280 --> 02:54:18,959
Speaker 14: and they're ready to kill black people and brown people

2971
02:54:19,000 --> 02:54:21,520
Speaker 14: and yellow people who have white people to for the

2972
02:54:21,760 --> 02:54:25,120
Speaker 14: for America and fighting paralysm. So these people exist and

2973
02:54:25,240 --> 02:54:27,360
Speaker 14: that we have to understand it. And just like we

2974
02:54:27,480 --> 02:54:30,840
Speaker 14: fought against them it was in Vietnam, now it's we

2975
02:54:30,920 --> 02:54:34,360
Speaker 14: gotta protect Venezuela, we gotta technical ride, we gotta protect

2976
02:54:34,440 --> 02:54:36,960
Speaker 14: Cuba and all of that. They're dropping bombs in the

2977
02:54:37,200 --> 02:54:40,040
Speaker 14: country right now. I'm for be going to Venezuela in

2978
02:54:40,120 --> 02:54:43,440
Speaker 14: the next couple of days and that now I can't

2979
02:54:43,480 --> 02:54:46,720
Speaker 14: just fly to Veniceuela. I gotta go through Mexico in

2980
02:54:46,879 --> 02:54:48,960
Speaker 14: order to get to Venezuela because they put them no

2981
02:54:49,160 --> 02:54:52,240
Speaker 14: flights on that United States put up on the control

2982
02:54:52,360 --> 02:54:55,080
Speaker 14: band That stuff is United State. Nobody else said I

2983
02:54:55,160 --> 02:54:58,600
Speaker 14: had oh bandon, I'm going to I went to heft

2984
02:54:58,600 --> 02:55:00,800
Speaker 14: the Beldam. He's fight against you nine st egs hip

2985
02:55:01,160 --> 02:55:06,160
Speaker 14: and go the Mozambique, Zimbabwe and anyway else. I've been

2986
02:55:06,200 --> 02:55:09,440
Speaker 14: fighting for Palestine. Some of us still scared to speak

2987
02:55:09,480 --> 02:55:12,440
Speaker 14: up a post that they committing genocide on the people

2988
02:55:12,480 --> 02:55:16,400
Speaker 14: in Palastan and the dropping bombs are on eleven nine

2989
02:55:16,560 --> 02:55:21,680
Speaker 14: and and Yemen and then Somalia and minimize it.

2990
02:55:22,160 --> 02:55:23,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I want to get in a couple more

2991
02:55:23,520 --> 02:55:25,120
Speaker 1: folks want to talk to you. Got a bunch of us,

2992
02:55:26,000 --> 02:55:28,800
Speaker 1: all right, Thanks greg eight hundred and four or five

2993
02:55:28,920 --> 02:55:31,280
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six thirteen away from On top

2994
02:55:31,280 --> 02:55:34,120
Speaker 1: of that, Sister Kashiba is calling from Silver Spring and Maryland.

2995
02:55:34,440 --> 02:55:37,280
Speaker 1: She's online three Grand Rising, Sister Kashiba, A question for

2996
02:55:37,400 --> 02:55:38,240
Speaker 1: Willie Ricks.

2997
02:55:39,720 --> 02:55:45,080
Speaker 20: Grand Rising, Curl and your guests wild I have there

2998
02:55:45,120 --> 02:55:50,000
Speaker 20: haven't been anybody within the last thirty forty years to

2999
02:55:50,320 --> 02:55:55,880
Speaker 20: encapsulate all the cruelty and the damage to black people

3000
02:55:56,040 --> 02:56:00,840
Speaker 20: and the world that this man has brought out. Whatever party,

3001
02:56:01,160 --> 02:56:05,160
Speaker 20: whatever party you're organizing, I want to join. I mean,

3002
02:56:05,800 --> 02:56:08,440
Speaker 20: I'm over eighty years old, but I want to you

3003
02:56:08,680 --> 02:56:14,119
Speaker 20: part of what you're saying because you're you know, there's nobody,

3004
02:56:14,920 --> 02:56:18,240
Speaker 20: none of our leaders, so called leaders are talking the

3005
02:56:18,320 --> 02:56:22,520
Speaker 20: way you talk. You know, it's I mean, it's I mean,

3006
02:56:22,680 --> 02:56:26,480
Speaker 20: my mouth is open. I'm fabergasted. But thank you so much.

3007
02:56:27,200 --> 02:56:31,080
Speaker 20: Organize whatever you're going to organize. I want to we

3008
02:56:31,280 --> 02:56:33,959
Speaker 20: old people because we went through the Civil rights movement.

3009
02:56:34,360 --> 02:56:38,880
Speaker 20: We know how things what needs to be done. We

3010
02:56:39,080 --> 02:56:41,760
Speaker 20: have to get off our rocking chairs and our sofas,

3011
02:56:42,520 --> 02:56:45,160
Speaker 20: and we have to bring our children along.

3012
02:56:46,920 --> 02:56:48,160
Speaker 4: Thank you for all you do.

3013
02:56:48,800 --> 02:56:49,959
Speaker 20: That's all humans say.

3014
02:56:50,640 --> 02:56:53,320
Speaker 14: Thank you, and I agree with you, and that there's

3015
02:56:53,360 --> 02:56:59,720
Speaker 14: the information Organization aap RP. You can google aap RP

3016
02:57:00,520 --> 02:57:03,480
Speaker 14: A a p r P, and on that website, it's

3017
02:57:03,480 --> 02:57:06,080
Speaker 14: an organization you can join, but now only there's a

3018
02:57:06,160 --> 02:57:08,920
Speaker 14: lot of information and history on it. You'll see people

3019
02:57:09,040 --> 02:57:13,680
Speaker 14: like Marcus Garvin, Malcolm and Quimein Crewman Secreture and people

3020
02:57:13,720 --> 02:57:16,840
Speaker 14: who dead and go on, and you'll see revolutionaries who're

3021
02:57:16,840 --> 02:57:20,080
Speaker 14: picking up guns weapons and fighting right now. So these

3022
02:57:20,560 --> 02:57:24,240
Speaker 14: things exist. Google a A p r P and those

3023
02:57:24,320 --> 02:57:27,880
Speaker 14: of you can google Bakina Fossil, b u r k

3024
02:57:28,160 --> 02:57:31,160
Speaker 14: I e n A b u r k I n A.

3025
02:57:31,600 --> 02:57:34,880
Speaker 14: And my name is Mukkassler m u k A s

3026
02:57:35,080 --> 02:57:37,800
Speaker 14: A d A d A. You can google my name.

3027
02:57:38,120 --> 02:57:40,040
Speaker 14: I was in the organization called s A n c

3028
02:57:40,240 --> 02:57:42,560
Speaker 14: C and I've also been part of the A A

3029
02:57:42,720 --> 02:57:46,200
Speaker 14: p r P All African People Revolutionary Party. So we

3030
02:57:46,320 --> 02:57:50,520
Speaker 14: definitely need information. Anybody that's questions, Yeah, I.

3031
02:57:50,520 --> 02:57:52,440
Speaker 1: Got a question for you, because if if somebody just

3032
02:57:52,600 --> 02:57:54,240
Speaker 1: hung up and I got a tweet question for you,

3033
02:57:54,440 --> 02:57:57,800
Speaker 1: answer treet question says Willy Rix and William Macossa Ricks.

3034
02:57:58,160 --> 02:58:01,160
Speaker 1: Why why? What advice do you have for these young

3035
02:58:01,200 --> 02:58:03,240
Speaker 1: black people who say they have arrived and this is

3036
02:58:03,360 --> 02:58:05,920
Speaker 1: not their fight. Many not willing to die for freedom

3037
02:58:05,920 --> 02:58:06,760
Speaker 1: the way you guys did.

3038
02:58:08,200 --> 02:58:10,879
Speaker 14: Well, they ain't got no choice because the enemies coming

3039
02:58:10,920 --> 02:58:14,200
Speaker 14: at them and they killing them. They got all our

3040
02:58:14,320 --> 02:58:18,080
Speaker 14: children in jails and prison, They drugging our children, They

3041
02:58:18,200 --> 02:58:21,680
Speaker 14: taking our houses. They putting us under these bridges, starving

3042
02:58:21,800 --> 02:58:23,880
Speaker 14: us to death, making them well, we can't afford to

3043
02:58:23,959 --> 02:58:26,080
Speaker 14: eat the apples, send us out on the streets or

3044
02:58:26,160 --> 02:58:31,760
Speaker 14: schools hungry. They got their prison, school, prison, industrial complex,

3045
02:58:32,080 --> 02:58:34,400
Speaker 14: taking children out of school of a certain age, put

3046
02:58:34,440 --> 02:58:37,800
Speaker 14: them directly into prison and watch them be beat killed,

3047
02:58:37,920 --> 02:58:41,360
Speaker 14: rape and whatever. So this country's committing these crimes and

3048
02:58:41,440 --> 02:58:43,840
Speaker 14: it's full of it. And we ain't got no choice

3049
02:58:44,240 --> 02:58:47,520
Speaker 14: but to fighting, but to get organized. And that that's

3050
02:58:47,560 --> 02:58:50,000
Speaker 14: what happened in the sixties. We had to go out

3051
02:58:50,040 --> 02:58:52,520
Speaker 14: and get organized, and we just saw the people that

3052
02:58:52,680 --> 02:58:55,640
Speaker 14: spoke our many of them was killed. I got shot

3053
02:58:56,040 --> 02:58:59,240
Speaker 14: and and shot in the stomach and the head. Ones

3054
02:58:59,320 --> 02:59:03,360
Speaker 14: had different times, and that my godmother who tried to

3055
02:59:03,400 --> 02:59:06,320
Speaker 14: support us. In Natural, Mississippi, a white man came to

3056
02:59:06,360 --> 02:59:08,640
Speaker 14: the house and drew gas on and burn up and

3057
02:59:08,800 --> 02:59:13,199
Speaker 14: my mother. In Tennessee, they threading her life and did everything,

3058
02:59:13,360 --> 02:59:15,520
Speaker 14: tried to kill my family members and all that. But

3059
02:59:15,680 --> 02:59:18,320
Speaker 14: that's good. You're gonna die anyway, so why not die

3060
02:59:18,440 --> 02:59:21,640
Speaker 14: fighting for the freedom, liberation and unification of your people.

3061
02:59:21,959 --> 02:59:24,800
Speaker 14: And this is what Fidel Castro. We have to look

3062
02:59:24,879 --> 02:59:29,680
Speaker 14: to Cuba, look to Venezuela, support the Venezuela against the

3063
02:59:29,800 --> 02:59:33,560
Speaker 14: United States, create anti war movements. These people ain't nothing

3064
02:59:33,640 --> 02:59:36,720
Speaker 14: but warmongers, and they're dropping bombs all over the world.

3065
02:59:37,040 --> 02:59:39,440
Speaker 14: They can't find one hundred dollars to help feed a

3066
02:59:39,560 --> 02:59:42,600
Speaker 14: Hongry person under bred, but they can find hundreds of

3067
02:59:42,680 --> 02:59:46,240
Speaker 14: billions of dollars to drop bombs in different for Ukraine

3068
02:59:46,320 --> 02:59:49,240
Speaker 14: and anywhere else in the world. But they can't find

3069
02:59:49,640 --> 02:59:54,360
Speaker 14: money for food, clothes, education, medicine. They got a debate

3070
02:59:55,040 --> 02:59:57,320
Speaker 14: how to get some money for people to sick and

3071
02:59:57,440 --> 03:00:00,320
Speaker 14: need help or need medicine, but they have no debate

3072
03:00:00,640 --> 03:00:03,600
Speaker 14: on making a bomb that cost fifty million dollars one

3073
03:00:03,680 --> 03:00:06,840
Speaker 14: hundred million dollars and dropping bombs around the world. So

3074
03:00:06,959 --> 03:00:09,680
Speaker 14: these people are crooked. Our job. You can't look to

3075
03:00:09,760 --> 03:00:12,240
Speaker 14: the white man, can't look to America, you can't look

3076
03:00:12,320 --> 03:00:16,040
Speaker 14: to imperialism, to other democrats, other Republicans. We got to

3077
03:00:16,200 --> 03:00:19,480
Speaker 14: take Africa. No matter where you live in the world,

3078
03:00:19,800 --> 03:00:23,160
Speaker 14: we got to take Africa. Don't say black people in America.

3079
03:00:23,200 --> 03:00:26,480
Speaker 14: That don't mean nothing. We are Africans and we're all

3080
03:00:26,680 --> 03:00:30,080
Speaker 14: in the world together and we have a land that's rich,

3081
03:00:30,200 --> 03:00:33,480
Speaker 14: full of diamonds and go. Everything is there. Our cultures,

3082
03:00:33,520 --> 03:00:36,800
Speaker 14: that our histories, they are our identities there. Our future

3083
03:00:36,840 --> 03:00:39,600
Speaker 14: is there and we got to take it. And these

3084
03:00:39,680 --> 03:00:43,400
Speaker 14: people are crooked all that companies and industries that matter,

3085
03:00:43,520 --> 03:00:46,480
Speaker 14: but rapiers and robs and murdered. They this is how

3086
03:00:46,560 --> 03:00:48,960
Speaker 14: they survived. This is how they get what they got.

3087
03:00:49,320 --> 03:00:52,240
Speaker 14: You got to be come together and take back what

3088
03:00:52,400 --> 03:00:52,760
Speaker 14: you want.

3089
03:00:52,959 --> 03:00:53,520
Speaker 5: I heard that.

3090
03:00:53,640 --> 03:00:56,600
Speaker 14: Bomb on the appetizing on that ten of our people.

3091
03:00:56,640 --> 03:00:58,520
Speaker 14: To get in our arm and to help your family.

3092
03:00:58,680 --> 03:01:00,960
Speaker 14: You ain't helping your family by going there getting in

3093
03:01:01,040 --> 03:01:04,200
Speaker 14: the army. You helping your family when you oppose the war,

3094
03:01:04,520 --> 03:01:06,960
Speaker 14: When you apposed what they're doing in Venezuela, when you

3095
03:01:07,080 --> 03:01:10,160
Speaker 14: opposed what they're doing in Nicarago, when you oppose what

3096
03:01:10,240 --> 03:01:14,840
Speaker 14: they're doing in Africa in the Congo and dropping bombs

3097
03:01:14,959 --> 03:01:17,320
Speaker 14: all them country, you a posed. You just helping your

3098
03:01:17,400 --> 03:01:20,120
Speaker 14: people when you step up for Palestine, tell them to

3099
03:01:20,160 --> 03:01:23,320
Speaker 14: stop killing the pack people in Palestine. That land belonged

3100
03:01:23,400 --> 03:01:26,960
Speaker 14: to the Palestine, from the river to the sea. Palestine

3101
03:01:27,120 --> 03:01:29,640
Speaker 14: must be free and we have to help Palastine. We

3102
03:01:29,800 --> 03:01:33,160
Speaker 14: see in genocide right now, we see them dropping bombed.

3103
03:01:33,200 --> 03:01:36,560
Speaker 14: Then now they've got partnered our rand. Then you now say,

3104
03:01:36,680 --> 03:01:39,760
Speaker 14: going back to that pirate stuff, they're just pirate. A

3105
03:01:39,879 --> 03:01:43,800
Speaker 14: ship in the coming out of Venezuela full of awe.

3106
03:01:44,160 --> 03:01:46,600
Speaker 14: The pirates jumped on the ship and took it yesterday.

3107
03:01:46,920 --> 03:01:49,760
Speaker 14: So these people ain't changed that all. We are at war,

3108
03:01:50,120 --> 03:01:52,879
Speaker 14: and you've been at war for over five hundred years,

3109
03:01:53,240 --> 03:01:56,760
Speaker 14: and you never win. You're never unless you fighting for Africa.

3110
03:01:57,160 --> 03:02:00,680
Speaker 14: Unless you're fighting for your lands, fighting for your own nation,

3111
03:02:01,160 --> 03:02:03,800
Speaker 14: then you're nothing but a slave and you'll never get

3112
03:02:03,879 --> 03:02:06,920
Speaker 14: free until you take back what belonged to you. We

3113
03:02:07,200 --> 03:02:10,920
Speaker 14: are African people. We're not American. We're not Democrats, we're

3114
03:02:11,040 --> 03:02:14,959
Speaker 14: not a Republican, We're not none of that. We are African.

3115
03:02:15,320 --> 03:02:18,680
Speaker 14: These damn Republican. All these other folks don't give nothing

3116
03:02:18,720 --> 03:02:22,240
Speaker 14: about you. They don't care about money. They all work

3117
03:02:22,320 --> 03:02:25,520
Speaker 14: for the same people, They got the same boss man,

3118
03:02:26,000 --> 03:02:27,879
Speaker 14: and all of them ain't gonna do nothing but get

3119
03:02:27,959 --> 03:02:30,600
Speaker 14: in power and drop bombs. And all the time they

3120
03:02:30,720 --> 03:02:34,480
Speaker 14: criticize each other, is who gonna drop the bombs? Who

3121
03:02:34,640 --> 03:02:38,800
Speaker 14: gonna steal the money? Brother's gonna be Democrats of Republicans

3122
03:02:39,000 --> 03:02:42,119
Speaker 14: who gonna take other folks laying. But all of them

3123
03:02:42,200 --> 03:02:45,840
Speaker 14: do the same things. And you got black people who've

3124
03:02:46,240 --> 03:02:49,600
Speaker 14: been brainwashed by that. Do we call them neo cloning?

3125
03:02:49,760 --> 03:02:52,480
Speaker 14: Some of them just brainwashed, Uncle Tom. Some of them

3126
03:02:52,560 --> 03:02:55,800
Speaker 14: got armies, like in Africa, they got arms like in

3127
03:02:59,040 --> 03:03:02,600
Speaker 14: getting it South. They went one election and then the

3128
03:03:02,840 --> 03:03:05,320
Speaker 14: army come in and kill them and won't let them

3129
03:03:05,360 --> 03:03:07,480
Speaker 14: have the election. And matter of fact, one of the

3130
03:03:07,600 --> 03:03:11,360
Speaker 14: generals say that people just want election. The arm and

3131
03:03:11,400 --> 03:03:14,080
Speaker 14: the other part of the president had people to go

3132
03:03:14,200 --> 03:03:16,000
Speaker 14: cut his head off and throw it in the river.

3133
03:03:16,160 --> 03:03:18,720
Speaker 14: This happened last week. And this what they're doing. The

3134
03:03:18,840 --> 03:03:24,039
Speaker 14: young man went to one country in Africa and they

3135
03:03:24,120 --> 03:03:27,879
Speaker 14: ran the office. Won this cook men in officers nineteen

3136
03:03:28,000 --> 03:03:30,480
Speaker 14: in the simness. He had to go out there and

3137
03:03:30,560 --> 03:03:33,080
Speaker 14: put the president in jail who won, and put the

3138
03:03:33,120 --> 03:03:35,480
Speaker 14: people in jail who want with them, And now they're

3139
03:03:35,520 --> 03:03:38,320
Speaker 14: in jail and they killed them in jail. So they

3140
03:03:38,400 --> 03:03:41,200
Speaker 14: got people that they ain't worry about nothing but themselves

3141
03:03:41,320 --> 03:03:44,360
Speaker 14: and money for themselves. And we got diamonds and go, well,

3142
03:03:44,400 --> 03:03:46,840
Speaker 14: we want money for money. Ain't nothing but paper with

3143
03:03:47,000 --> 03:03:50,280
Speaker 14: the enemy's picture of the eye. Fighters for Africa. We

3144
03:03:50,440 --> 03:03:53,040
Speaker 14: need to love having people that love our people and

3145
03:03:53,160 --> 03:03:55,560
Speaker 14: really want to do something for them and really want

3146
03:03:55,640 --> 03:03:59,600
Speaker 14: to change the social economic condition. And like my brother said, yes,

3147
03:04:00,000 --> 03:04:02,280
Speaker 14: our children ain't these schools and they kicking them on

3148
03:04:02,360 --> 03:04:05,120
Speaker 14: that stuff. They ain't putting no proof in school. They

3149
03:04:05,160 --> 03:04:07,920
Speaker 14: don't put no history in school. They ain't putting nothing

3150
03:04:07,959 --> 03:04:10,640
Speaker 14: in there about Africa and letting you hear people like

3151
03:04:10,840 --> 03:04:14,640
Speaker 14: Malcolm X and Marcus Garvia, Siku too, Reil Kwame and Kuma.

3152
03:04:14,879 --> 03:04:17,840
Speaker 14: They ain't let you hear nothing about Gone Mally Sung Hayes,

3153
03:04:17,879 --> 03:04:21,400
Speaker 14: Zimbabwe and all the great kingdoms we build in Africa.

3154
03:04:21,640 --> 03:04:24,760
Speaker 14: They don't want you to know about Egypt and Kimmi

3155
03:04:25,720 --> 03:04:28,720
Speaker 14: and our set and the great Pyramids and all the

3156
03:04:28,800 --> 03:04:31,800
Speaker 14: things that we did, and how these crazy foods and

3157
03:04:31,920 --> 03:04:34,440
Speaker 14: went to all the great kingdoms in the world and

3158
03:04:34,560 --> 03:04:37,520
Speaker 14: burnt them down, tore them down, killed all the people

3159
03:04:37,560 --> 03:04:40,320
Speaker 14: around it. And now you see them Arabs standing up

3160
03:04:40,360 --> 03:04:43,200
Speaker 14: in Egypt trying to teach you about pyramids, Sonday. They

3161
03:04:43,200 --> 03:04:44,840
Speaker 14: don't know nothing about you, be able to peer up

3162
03:04:44,840 --> 03:04:47,680
Speaker 14: this thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago and

3163
03:04:47,800 --> 03:04:51,000
Speaker 14: be of great civilization. And now these bombs coming out

3164
03:04:51,080 --> 03:04:54,360
Speaker 14: the caves going there killing you, committing genocide, or you're

3165
03:04:54,400 --> 03:04:58,280
Speaker 14: now standing in our great kingdoms and institutions to teach

3166
03:04:58,400 --> 03:05:02,560
Speaker 14: us the lie and don't want us to know the

3167
03:05:02,680 --> 03:05:06,040
Speaker 14: real truth about ourselves, the truth about African people and

3168
03:05:06,120 --> 03:05:08,640
Speaker 14: how great we'll be it, and how great you are,

3169
03:05:08,720 --> 03:05:11,080
Speaker 14: and how great you're gonna be. The more you learn

3170
03:05:11,160 --> 03:05:13,680
Speaker 14: about Africa, the more you learn about your culture, the

3171
03:05:13,800 --> 03:05:16,440
Speaker 14: more you join organization and work for the liberation to

3172
03:05:16,560 --> 03:05:18,240
Speaker 14: your people, the stronger you be.

3173
03:05:18,959 --> 03:05:21,640
Speaker 1: All right, hold that thought right there, William maccassa dot

3174
03:05:21,720 --> 03:05:24,160
Speaker 1: I Ricks And that's it for the day. Thank you

3175
03:05:24,240 --> 03:05:26,119
Speaker 1: for what you do. Thank you what you did back

3176
03:05:26,160 --> 03:05:28,480
Speaker 1: in the sixties, what you continue to do. And we'll

3177
03:05:28,520 --> 03:05:30,000
Speaker 1: talk later because I got to get your son on

3178
03:05:30,120 --> 03:05:35,000
Speaker 1: to share his thoughts as well. Thank you, Willy Ricks.

3179
03:05:35,720 --> 03:05:40,360
Speaker 1: I found that Forday, that was some real talk. Classes dismissed.

3180
03:05:40,400 --> 03:05:43,440
Speaker 1: Stay strong, stay positive, please stay healthy. We'll see you

3181
03:05:43,440 --> 03:05:44,520
Speaker 1: tomorrow morning, six o'clock.

3182
03:05:44,600 --> 03:05:44,840
Speaker 3: Right here.

3183
03:05:44,920 --> 03:05:48,520
Speaker 1: In Baltimore on ten ten WLB. Also the DMV I'm

3184
03:05:48,560 --> 03:05:50,519
Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen WL