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Speaker 1: of Indiana, Okay, when the Pacers went to the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 2: Very disappointing season. Didn't go the way we wanted it

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Speaker 1: And yesterday she explained that the season essentially came down

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Speaker 3: To our fans, my sisters and I want to extend

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Speaker 3: our heartfelt gratitude for your loyalty and support as always,

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Speaker 3: We are all pissed. Every season is unique, and this

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Speaker 1: there were other opportunities, for example, and DeForest Buckner's been

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Speaker 1: a great player. Don't come me wrong, but you traded

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Speaker 1: for DeForest Buckner to have him come play and win

433
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Speaker 1: one playoff game. And for that year, Justin Herbert was available.

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Speaker 1: I'm just throwing out a name, but there have been

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Speaker 1: other years or other players that were available, and they

436
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Speaker 1: kept kicking the can by. If you remember when they

437
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Speaker 1: got Matt Ryan, it was like the eleventh hour. Literally

438
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Speaker 1: they turned the lights on at the bar at three

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Speaker 1: forty five and it was like, oh, there's one guy

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Speaker 1: over there. Okay, great, what do you got going on?

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Speaker 1: So they just they waited so long. Joining us now

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Speaker 1: in the Java House, peel a poor guest line. Jake

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Speaker 1: twenty five is the discount code for twenty five percent

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Speaker 1: off the fabulous, amazingly smooth Colombian coffee, the Wrangler Energy

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Speaker 1: or the Liquid Science Hydration beverages at Java House. Java

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Speaker 1: House Dot com Zach Kiefer joins us on the program. Zach,

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Speaker 1: let's begin with this. What was your reaction to I

448
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Speaker 1: guess you know, I will say the press conference of

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Speaker 1: Carli Orsa Gordon, but more so just the explanation on

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Speaker 1: the decision to retain Chris Ballard and Schansdyke.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Jake, if I could be totally blunt, we'll start here.

452
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Speaker 4: You've got to give her credit for talking, for talking

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Speaker 4: so soon after the season, for explaining to the fans

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Speaker 4: why she made the decision she did. She's still a

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Speaker 4: new owner, and all that is relevant here. But I

456
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Speaker 4: walked the way away from yesterday. If I'm a Colts fan,

457
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 4: really discouraged. It did not answer the questions that I

458
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Speaker 4: have that they have. It just did not advance the

459
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Speaker 4: conversation at all. Look, and these are her decisions. She

460
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Speaker 4: can make whatever decision she wants. She can keep Chris,

461
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Speaker 4: but she can keep Shane Stiking. But I just felt

462
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Speaker 4: like I never got an answer why, and her rationale

463
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Speaker 4: add up to me. It felt like Chris Ballard was

464
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Speaker 4: being evaluated for one season of work, not nine seasons,

465
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Speaker 4: and really for eight games of that season, not the

466
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Speaker 4: final nine. And I understand injuries were a part of

467
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Speaker 4: what happened. You talked about and everybody's talked about it.

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Speaker 4: But she sat up there and said that injuries will

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Speaker 4: never be an excuse. Everything she decided and everything she

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Speaker 4: elaborated on made me feel like the injuries were absolutely

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Speaker 4: part of the equation. And the other issue I had was,

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Speaker 4: you know, are these guys tied together?

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Speaker 5: You know, what are the stakes for twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 4: She didn't answer those, Like I just I just felt

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Speaker 4: confused at the point where it's like, well, if they're

476
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Speaker 4: not tied together, like you know, if the urgency is higher,

477
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Speaker 4: which I heard five or six times, like why wasn't

478
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Speaker 4: it high this season? And I just felt if I'm

479
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Speaker 4: a cult sayan watching that.

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Speaker 5: This this franchise is in a sorry state. It just

481
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Speaker 5: really is.

482
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Speaker 4: Mediocrity has become the norm. It's become tolerated, and seven

483
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Speaker 4: game stretches that are really good are now celebrated. And

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Speaker 4: I just couldn't help but think, you know, and this

485
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Speaker 4: is not a fair comparison. I understand that, But when

486
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Speaker 4: Jim Mersey sat up there at that podium, you knew

487
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Speaker 4: where he stood. He was off thanked to a fault

488
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Speaker 4: and he wouldn't have put up.

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Speaker 5: With this injury excuse.

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Speaker 4: And I just don't feel like I just don't feel

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Speaker 4: like I got a reasonable explanation of why these decisions

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Speaker 4: were made.

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Speaker 1: Zach, let me ask you a question that maybe we

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Speaker 1: don't even know the answer to this, But I'm curious

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Speaker 1: if you have heard this even be speculated. I guess,

496
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Speaker 1: and it's understandable what I'm about to say. Is it

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Speaker 1: possible that Carli Orsa Gordon couldn't per se say this?

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Speaker 1: But is it possible that the reason that Chris Ballard

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Speaker 1: and Shane Steichen were retained is because there's safety for

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Speaker 1: her in familiarity, because right now there are bigger business

501
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Speaker 1: fish to fry in terms of getting everything aligned in

502
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Speaker 1: the state taxes and you know, all of the things

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Speaker 1: that go into a transfer of power. That simply it's

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Speaker 1: not necessarily that she didn't want to make a move.

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Speaker 1: She just can't do that right now because there are

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Speaker 1: other priorities that are taking place, which sounds absurd, I realize,

507
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Speaker 1: But is there the possibility that's in play.

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Speaker 4: The estate situation is real, But let me be totally

509
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Speaker 4: clear here that cannot come in the way of any

510
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Speaker 4: football decisions. And I believe it was Kevin Bowen that

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Speaker 4: asked her about the financial situation and whether that's factored

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Speaker 4: into the decisions, and she said, you know, nothing is

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Speaker 4: get in the way of us making the best decisions

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Speaker 4: for this team.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to hold her to that. I'm going to

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Speaker 5: believe her in that front.

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Speaker 4: But the reality is, I mean, they this is a

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Speaker 4: comfort this is a comfortable decision.

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Speaker 5: This is the easy decision to run it back.

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Speaker 4: And it's probably not the best thing for her to

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Speaker 4: sit up there and say, you know, why are we

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Speaker 4: going to fire Chris right now? If we're going to

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Speaker 4: bring in another GM and then Shane's not going to

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Speaker 4: be his guy. It's very clear that she's very high

525
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Speaker 4: on Shane Stike and she called him a bright.

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Speaker 5: Young coach.

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Speaker 4: She believes in his ability to call an offense. I

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Speaker 4: think he's proven that now. The rest of the job

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Speaker 4: is very important as well, and that's being a head coach.

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Speaker 4: There are certainly questions about that asked for.

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Speaker 5: Ballard, and I wrote this.

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Speaker 4: This morning with my colleague Jordan rod Rieg, who's been

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Speaker 4: in town to talk to a lot of IT executives

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Speaker 4: as well as Carli Ertha Gordon for a profile that

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Speaker 4: ran last week. The reality that it's impossible to dance

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Speaker 4: around is there is comfort with Chris Ballot. He has

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Speaker 4: been a mentor and a supporter to Carli Erth Gordon

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Speaker 4: throughout this time. It was him and Frank right that

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Speaker 4: I encourage her to go down on the field and

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Speaker 4: find out what was really going on before she took

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Speaker 4: over for her father, so you know, he's more than

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Speaker 4: an employee to them. Now. My stance would be, you

543
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Speaker 4: need to make this decision with your head, not your heart.

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Speaker 4: That's what her dad would tell her to do. But

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Speaker 4: the reality is, you know, Chris told her and her

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Speaker 4: sisters in the last year, do not ever let our

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Speaker 4: relationship get in the way of doing what's best for

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Speaker 4: this organization, essentially saying, if you need to get rid

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Speaker 4: of me, get rid of me. I understand. And the

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Speaker 4: reality is she's not ready to do that. I just

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Speaker 4: walked away from yesterday without a fairly good understanding of why,

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Speaker 4: because they were good for eight games. It just feels like,

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Speaker 4: and I know you were talking about this a minute ago, Jake,

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Speaker 4: it just feels like you're going to be having the

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Speaker 4: same conversation twelve months from now? Doesn't that the Sands

556
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Speaker 4: base is so pissed off?

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Speaker 1: Zach? Here's the thing, and I'm not Zach Keefer is

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Speaker 1: our guest, by the way, from the Athletic. He has

559
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Speaker 1: a column up right now about all of this up

560
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Speaker 1: at the Athletic and of course longtime writer for the

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Speaker 1: Colts now with the NFL in totality, he is not

562
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Speaker 1: on helium, but he is on the Java house Peel

563
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: and poor guest line, Zach. Doesn't it feel like there is?

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Speaker 1: And when I say we're going to be right back

565
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Speaker 1: in this situation a year from now, that is not

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Speaker 1: me being negative, Nancy, or you know, pessimistic, Pete. I'm

567
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Speaker 1: being realistic Rick. Here the body of work would indicate

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Speaker 1: that that's exactly. There's nothing to tell me otherwise. Right.

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Speaker 4: How much stock do you put into the first aid.

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Speaker 5: Games of the season.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing.

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Speaker 5: Does Carly ERSA.

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Speaker 4: Gordon put a lot of stock in the first eight

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Speaker 4: games of the season.

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Speaker 1: I mean she went with an eight week sample size

576
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Speaker 1: as opposed to an eight year one.

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Speaker 5: Correct, it's certainly felt like that yesterday.

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Speaker 1: The other side of it would be this, and that

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Speaker 1: is the quarterbacking situation, Zach. Quarterback is the most important

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Speaker 1: position in sports, and I know that Daniel Jones did

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Speaker 1: play well, but then he had the injury. We have,

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Speaker 1: so there's two things in play here. I just feel

583
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Speaker 1: like we are pinning things on hoping for two different

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Speaker 1: things to come through. The first being that Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: comes back at one hundred percent and the second is

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Speaker 1: that he comes back at one hundred percent. And as

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Speaker 1: a cult, he's a free agent now I think, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't think people are knocking down his door, but

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Speaker 1: do from the people you have talked to, is there

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Speaker 1: enough evidence that with this injury he can come back

591
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Speaker 1: and be one hundred percent of what he was?

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Speaker 4: The quarterback conversation is so interesting when I talk to

593
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Speaker 4: people around in the league. So let's be completely objective here.

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Speaker 4: Chris and nicolets deserve credit for signing Daniel Jones in

595
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Speaker 4: the spring. I don't know, it's hard because nobody wanted

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Speaker 4: Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 5: That's just not true.

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Speaker 4: Like good quarterbacks, and he's a good quarterback, I'm a

599
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Speaker 4: great one. Good quarterbacks are hard to get and they

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Speaker 4: got him over the line. And by that, I mean

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Speaker 4: you know they got the deal done. They had missed

602
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Speaker 4: on a couple of free agents in years past, simply

603
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Speaker 4: because at the eleventh hour a number team offered a

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Speaker 4: little bit more money. Ballard learned his lesson and he

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Speaker 4: got the quarterback in. This is my opinion, but I

606
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Speaker 4: don't think I'm wrong. They knew he was going to

607
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Speaker 4: be the guy the whole time. They knew he was

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Speaker 4: going to be the guy the whole time. Shane, I

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Speaker 4: don't believe wants to have Anthony Richardson run his system anymore.

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Speaker 4: So the reality is they deserve credit for bringing Daniel

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Speaker 4: Jones in. He played great. Even if he played well

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Speaker 4: and they were five and three, it would have been

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Speaker 4: a good signing. What really screwed this team over any

614
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Speaker 4: Richardson's freak injury. I mean, that is absurd that this

615
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 4: kid gets hurt stretching in the locker room before a game.

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Speaker 5: I've never even hurt of that.

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Speaker 4: And that's where this season really spirals, because if Jones

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Speaker 4: gets hurt, you know, in Week eleven or whatever it

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Speaker 4: was against the Jaguars, then you go to the kid

620
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Speaker 4: and you say, this is your chance, this is your moment,

621
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Speaker 4: Like you lost the starting job in August. Now prove

622
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Speaker 4: that you were worth this pick. Prove that you were

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Speaker 4: worth the investment. That's what I wanted to see, That's

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Speaker 4: what Chris Baaliman wanted to see. But we never got

625
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Speaker 4: that shot because of Richardson's injury, which led to, you know,

626
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Speaker 4: to Philip Rivers and all that. So the fault with Ballard,

627
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Speaker 4: in my opinion, is as soon as Richardson gets hurt,

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Speaker 4: you don't have a viable backup other than Riley Leonard,

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Speaker 4: who gets hurt as well. So it really was a

630
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Speaker 4: perfect storm to hurt them at the quarterback position. But

631
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Speaker 4: to spin it forward, I don't think Jones is just

632
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Speaker 4: going to pick up where he laft off next season.

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Speaker 4: Every piece of evidence we've ever seen with quarterbacks coming

634
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Speaker 4: off this injury tells us he's not. So that's the reality.

635
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Speaker 4: I don't think Richardson is back next year. I don't

636
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Speaker 4: think that's totally Frize totally sure lettered back. He played

637
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Speaker 4: pretty well. But the reality is, if you think you're

638
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Speaker 4: just going to roll out of bed September fifth next

639
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 4: year for the opener or whenever it is and pick

640
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 4: up where you left off, where Jonathan Taylor was an

641
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 4: MVP and this team was rolling.

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Speaker 5: It just doesn't work like that.

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Speaker 4: And you mentioned this a minute ago, Jacksonville's coming, Like

644
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Speaker 4: Jacksonville is really good and they got a really young coach.

645
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Speaker 4: Houston has the best defense in football, and it made

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Speaker 4: the playoffs three years in a row with Emiko Ryans.

647
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Speaker 4: The Cults are nothing more than an afterthought in the

648
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Speaker 4: AFC South. That's where they're at. This is a team

649
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 4: that won the AFC South nine of the first thirteen

650
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 4: years the division existed.

651
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Speaker 5: Remember those days, I do.

652
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Speaker 4: They haven't won it in eleven years, and there's no

653
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Speaker 4: guarantee their force in the division next year.

654
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Speaker 1: Zach, like I mentioned man in totality, the unfortunate thing,

655
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: and I hate having to say it, but the reality is,

656
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: statistically speaking, this is a franchise that has been in

657
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: a tunnel. Except for when Peyton Manning and Andrew luck

658
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: respective we had a flashlight in a lantern, and other

659
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 1: than that, for the most part you found an occasional

660
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: candle and that was about it. But we shall see

661
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: where it goes from here. The Athletic and Zach Kiefer

662
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: will have it all covered, of course, as well as

663
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: the rest of the NFL. Throughout the playoffs, Zach appreciated

664
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Speaker 1: as always. Man, thanks for having me Jacos Zach Keifer

665
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: joining us on the Java House Peel and Poor guest

666
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: line when we come back. I do have a question

667
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Speaker 1: about Indiana and notably and how it relates to Purdue

668
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 1: basketball in Indiana football. I'm talking about the basketball program.

669
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Speaker 1: I'll explain next. Okay, I'm going to ask for everybody's

670
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Speaker 1: cooperation with a group project. Did you ever do a

671
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: group project in college?

672
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 6: Eddie College?

673
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Speaker 1: Yeah? What did Tyrese Haliburton say after he got the

674
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: gold medal the Olympics. It's like being in the group

675
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: project and you have to do anything. You still got

676
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Speaker 1: the A. I was not that person. You were the

677
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: lead guy in the group project. Yeah, okay, I'm going

678
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: to ask for everybody's participation in this project, and in

679
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Speaker 1: addition to that, also ask for one more time, just

680
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: simply an explanation and a request for or an appreciation

681
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: of gratitude for your patients. We've joked about it from

682
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: time to time in terms of the helium aspect of

683
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: our guests on the radio when we have them on

684
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Speaker 1: the guest line. And this again goes back to and

685
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: really kind of at the fault of no one, but

686
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: just as an explanation for people. Because we are now

687
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: we are in a new building and a beautiful new studio,

688
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: some of the fiber optics and other such things have

689
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: led to their still target shooting some areas where and

690
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, the bandwidth the stuff's all beyond my

691
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: intellectual capabilities. So that's why I trust the guys and

692
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: gals that are doing this sort of a thing. But

693
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: the bolstering of the bandwidth that leads to the clarity

694
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Speaker 1: on the phone line, depending on how many other people

695
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: are within the area, it can restrict or limit that

696
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Speaker 1: as I understand it, and my understanding is vague at best,

697
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: but we kind of never know from one to the

698
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Speaker 1: next when that's going to pop up, that sound effect aspect,

699
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: and it is something that our engineers are working on diligently,

700
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Speaker 1: and I think we are coming to a head on

701
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Speaker 1: when that gets itself sorted out. But that x me

702
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: because a couple of people ask me like, does he

703
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: sound different? And that's the reasoning for that. So the

704
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 1: other night I am flipping the channels and I land

705
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: on I mean, I knew that it was on the

706
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Speaker 1: Indiana Washington game. And it is not my desire or

707
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: intention to constantly sit here and tell you about how

708
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: great things used to be. But I'm about to do

709
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: that right now. Purdue is I believe, the best team

710
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: in college basketball. They're certainly one of And I know

711
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: that Arizona's unbeaten. I know that Michigan is unbeaten. I

712
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: know that Iowa State's unbeaten. I know that Nebraska is unbeaten.

713
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: And I know that Vanderbilt and Miami of Ohio are unbeaten.

714
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: But in terms of just cohesiveness, playing style, consistency, number

715
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: of ways they can beat you produce as good as anybody,

716
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:43,959
Speaker 1: and you could, certainly you would think that Purdue, having

717
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: the success that it's had as a basketball program further

718
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: emphasizes for Indiana the necessity to get back to the

719
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: Indiana that Indiana fans consistently think they are. And it's

720
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: a hard pill to swallow. It's a hard pill to

721
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: swallow to think about the fact that when I sat

722
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: there before they put up banner nineteen eighty seven, and

723
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: I sat there in the eighty six eighty seven season

724
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: watching Indiana play the eighty five eighty six season. First game,

725
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: I went to an assembly hall and I looked at

726
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,479
Speaker 1: the banners and there was the nineteen fifty three banner,

727
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, that was a long time ago.

728
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: Those were like black and white photos and video doesn't

729
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: even exist from those days anymore, because that was thirty

730
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: three years ago, and it's hard to believe that it's

731
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: been that long plus another five years since Indiana's most

732
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: recent banner. And I think now people are starting to

733
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Speaker 1: realize that this is a program that is in the

734
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: upper echelon, not in today but historically. But Indiana still

735
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: a basketball school. Indiana still by claim a place where

736
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Speaker 1: the elite go. And you had the firing of Bob

737
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 1: Knight a quarter century ago. There's not a single student

738
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Speaker 1: in Indiana unless they're on my plan and they've been

739
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: there for twenty three years that remembers when Bob Knight

740
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: coached in Indiana, or was alive when Bob Knight coached

741
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: it in Indiana. Hard to believe. And there have been

742
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: other programs that have risen up since then, Gonzaga prime example,

743
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: Butler obviously two final fours. When you look though at

744
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: Indiana and you think about the decline of the Indiana

745
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: basketball program, you ask yourself. Was Indiana broken as a

746
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: program by Mike Davis? Was Indiana broken as a program

747
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: by the shadiness and the wrongdoing of Kelvin Sampson. Was

748
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: Indiana broken as a program by the bad hire of

749
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: Archie Miller? Was Indiana broken as a program by the

750
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: eccentricities of Tom Crean and you know, the rotation of

751
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: roster and then some swinging missus and recruiting. Or was

752
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 1: Indiana if you're looking at the coach that finally broke

753
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 1: its basketball program, is at Kurt Signetti. Because I saw

754
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: that game against Washington, and I saw the statistic that

755
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: seventy two thousand people from Indiana were at the Rose Bowl,

756
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: which is fabulous and awesome and exciting. But how many

757
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: of those seventy two thousand even knew that Indiana had

758
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: a basketball game this week against Washington at Assembly Hall.

759
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: There weren't ten thousand people there. And you can tell

760
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: me that it's because it's winter breaking students art on campus.

761
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: You can tell me that it's because the you know,

762
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: people are waiting for the Big ten to get in

763
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: full swing and they're not used to Washington as a

764
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: Big Ten opponent. You can tell me that it's because

765
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: they're not as familiar with the roster because you have

766
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: a new coach in Darren Debrees. And I will tell

767
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: you it's because the epicenter and the focus of the

768
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: fan base right now is on football, and Indiana fans

769
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: for the very first time are understanding and recognizing what

770
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: most college athletic programs know, and that is that it

771
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: is really fun to have a good football program and

772
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 1: a good football team. And it's almost a bigger party

773
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: in celebration because football you wait all week for it,

774
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: and then you tailgate and you hang out and you

775
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: grill out. The weather's beautiful for the first sixty percent

776
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: of the season, and you go to the game and

777
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: then you go to the bars and everything else. And

778
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: for basketball, you drive down in spitting rain, twenty degree weather,

779
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: hoping that Chuck Krab afterwards and I know it's now

780
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: Jeremy Gray doesn't say attention. Snow has fallen and the

781
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: Indiana State Police reminds you to please drive carefully when

782
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 1: leaving the Assembly hall, which was a great winter tradition.

783
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: But Indiana Basketball now think about most schools. Most schools

784
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: are football schools. They're only a handful that are basketball on.

785
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: Duke is a basketball school. Carolina is a basketball school,

786
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: but they hire Bill Belichick for football because they're trying

787
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: and that was a disaster, but you know, they're trying

788
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: to be a football school. And Indiana Kansas is a

789
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: basketball school. They had that big fat guy that like

790
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: got them to the BCS and then he was like

791
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: wiping poo on towels and throwing at guys or something,

792
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: and I don't know what went on there, but there

793
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: was some sort of allegation, not saying it's factual, but

794
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: that was the something along those lines. Kentucky's a basketball school,

795
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: but even then, they're making changes for their coaches in

796
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: football because being a football school is cool and it's

797
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: fun and it's lucrative. And yes, two years does not

798
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: a culture change make. But is it possible now that

799
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: you Indiana fans, even though you don't want to admit

800
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: it at cocktail parties, is it possible that deep down

801
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: you find that all of your emotional investment and a

802
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: lot of your interest is now so highper focused on

803
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: football that you've kind of forgotten about the basketball team.

804
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: Because to have ten thousand or fewer at Assembly Hall

805
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 1: is something I never thought i'd see, and it's odd

806
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: to me but perhaps coincidental that it's happening at the

807
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: same time of something else I would see, which is

808
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: Indiana as the marquee program in college football. Stephen Holder

809
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: joins us next one o'clock hour underway in Indianapolis. How

810
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: are you for that matter, it's the one o'clock hour

811
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: everywhere in the Eastern time zone. My name is Jake Querry.

812
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: Eddie Garrison, the other voice you hear on this program.

813
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 1: We had a long meeting with a bunch of marketing

814
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: people that after a while decided that the name of

815
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: the program originally is Querry and Company. That company consists

816
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: of those of you that participate, and that includes our

817
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: next guest, who joins us on the Java House Peel

818
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,959
Speaker 1: and Port guest line. You read his work at ESPA.

819
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: You also see him on ESPN, which I frighteningly did

820
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: one day when I was enjoying a beer after work

821
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Speaker 1: with my buddy Jeff Hester, and we looked up and

822
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Speaker 1: I'm like, WHOA, there's Holder on television. Steven Holder joins

823
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: us on the program. Now, Steven, I'm going to begin

824
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Speaker 1: with this yesterday's press conference with Carli ERSA Gordon, and

825
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 1: we can decipher that if you'd like. But I think

826
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: that people and I do understand this. I think a

827
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: true measure of the lack of patience that people have

828
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: with the franchise comes off in sometimes a lack of

829
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: understanding as to the decorum of a press conference, because

830
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: I think people are under the assumption that it is

831
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: some sort of duty and responsibility to go in And yes,

832
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: difficult questions are hard questions, or uncomfortable questions are fair game.

833
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 1: But I don't think that it needs to be under

834
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: some sort of tenor or tone of pitchfork. And it

835
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: almost feels like we, the media were taken strays. That's

836
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: part of the territory. I get it, But what did

837
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: you overall think about just the measure and then the

838
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,720
Speaker 1: digestion of that press conference yesterday?

839
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Speaker 7: Okay, so this is a good topic. I think that

840
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 7: a couple things. I will start with the approach to

841
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 7: press conferences. Generally, I think it at the job of

842
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 7: the media to channel anybody's anger or anything like that. Right,

843
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 7: that's we're there to ascertain information as best we can,

844
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 7: and the best way to ascertain information is to act

845
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 7: like a normal human being, you know, and to talk

846
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 7: to people the way you would talk to anybody.

847
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: Right, So that's the first thing.

848
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Speaker 7: And demanding answers, well, there's no demanding anyway, right, it's

849
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 7: asking questions.

850
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: It's just that, right.

851
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 7: I mean, if you don't get the answer you want,

852
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 7: it doesn't mean that you bang your fist on the table.

853
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 7: You just you try to ask it in different ways,

854
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 7: you try at different angles. All of that happened if

855
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 7: you want watch that press conference. A lot of what

856
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 7: was happening was Carly trying to clarify what exactly was

857
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 7: being asked of her, and then us on the other

858
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 7: end of that trying to ask the question in a

859
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 7: different manner so that it's clearer, and you know, so

860
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 7: it's it's a lot of sausage making, to be honest,

861
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Speaker 7: And that's why I always tell people don't watch press

862
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 7: conferences expecting it to be some kind of like must

863
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:27,479
Speaker 7: see TV.

864
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: It's usually boring.

865
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 7: Because it's not intended to be that.

866
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 5: Right.

867
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 7: It's a conversation, it's an exchange, and it's not always

868
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 7: that interesting anyway. And then so quickly the other part

869
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 7: of it is that I think Carly was being intentionally

870
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 7: vague because she does not like painting herself into a

871
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 7: corner and in doing so, though, what happens is when

872
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 7: you're vague, you I.

873
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: Think she did answer a lot of the questions in.

874
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 7: A roundabout way, but the problem with that is people

875
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 7: digest it, don't digest it properly, and all they hear

876
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 7: is if you're talking, and sir, you do pick up

877
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 7: on the answers if you really break it down and

878
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 7: go through the transcript of it, as I do as

879
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 7: a reporter.

880
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: But the average person.

881
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 7: Isn't going to do that. But it's in my stories

882
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 7: if you want to read them, knock yourself.

883
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: Out, okay. ESPN dot Com, by the way, you can

884
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 1: where you can read Steven's stories. Stephen Holder, our guest

885
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: Java House, Peel and poor guest Line Stephen. One of

886
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: the things that I was able to take away from

887
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: that press conference, and then I want you to tell

888
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: me and we do this regularly for those that don't know,

889
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: Steven and I have on four occasions, I think four

890
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: occasions we have actually hung out socially outside of work circumstances, okay.

891
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: And in those four occasions I often asked Steven a

892
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: question and that I'm like, all right, true or false

893
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: or am I crazy? Whatever else? This is going to

894
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: be one of those I took from that press conference.

895
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson's time as a cult is done. Your thoughts.

896
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 7: I thought that before the press conference, and I still

897
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 7: think that now, and and so I think if I recall,

898
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 7: her answer was something like, you know, all defer to

899
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 7: Chris Ballard, I think, but I think he's the here's

900
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 7: the reality on Anthony Richardson. I don't think it's going

901
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 7: to be a Carly Earth's a decision, per se. I

902
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 7: do believe her that she will defer largely, which is

903
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 7: what you want your owner to do for the most part.

904
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 7: I don't know people hate Chris Ballard, but I mean

905
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 7: you also don't want owners telling people what to do

906
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 7: when it comes to the roster, right. I don't think

907
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 7: that's the approach either. However, when it comes to Anthony Richardson,

908
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 7: I just go back to the twenty twenty four season.

909
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 7: I mean they benched him. I mean, you know what

910
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 7: I'm saying. They mentioned him in the middle of his

911
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 7: of his second season, which is his first season, where

912
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 7: he was, you know, hopefully going to start most of

913
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 7: the season and they benched him in the middle of

914
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 7: that and then proceeded after that to go get someone to.

915
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: Take the job the following year.

916
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 7: I mean, it's over, you know what I mean, Like

917
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 7: I keep telling people this, Like I know a lot

918
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 7: of people out there are intrigued still by Anthony Richardson

919
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 7: as am I I think there's something.

920
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: There still, but that's not the point.

921
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 7: I mean, just open your eyes, pay attention as a fan,

922
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 7: Like I don't know for a fact that they're going

923
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 7: to be trading him, but like, there's not a there's

924
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 7: no momentum toward Anthony Richardson having a future here. It's

925
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 7: very obvious they are committed to Daniel Jones. They could

926
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 7: not be more clear. I think the best outcome for

927
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 7: everybody if he probably gets moved. But you know, we'll

928
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 7: see if it happens. But but that's where this is trending.

929
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: Okay, when you look at it, Steven and Anthony Richardson.

930
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: Let's say that the Colts trade him for a fifth rounder,

931
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: you know, whatever it might be, and he's going to

932
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: end up in you know, let's say I'm just going

933
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 1: to throw three teams off the top of my head here, Okay, Arizona,

934
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: Kansas City's decide to take him as a backup, and

935
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: the Raiders. I'm just going to throw those three out

936
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: there realistically, and we do see you and I were

937
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: talking about this the other night as a matter of fact.

938
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: You know, Alex Smith was a was a really serviceable

939
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: and nice quarterback for Kansas City and Washington. Alex Smith

940
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: was a good player, but he was measured in San

941
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: Francisco on being the top player selected in the draft,

942
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: and that changes expectation for a guy. When it's all

943
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: said and done and Anthony Richardson goes somewhere else, and

944
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 1: let's say he does finally get kind of a fair

945
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: shake or time and there's less spotlight on him, you

946
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: anticipate that he will have in totality the career trajectory

947
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: and success level of what quarterback that we have seen before.

948
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 7: H Well, I'll start before I don't have an answer

949
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 7: top my head though. Before I go on, I'll say

950
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 7: you made a good point there, and it's this, Once

951
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 7: you kind of beyond that first contract or your first

952
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 7: team or just well you know, whether your situation changes,

953
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 7: what have you, your draft status doesn't matter anymore. No

954
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 7: one will give a damn where he was drafted. When

955
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 7: he moves on to Team X, and it doesn't. I'm

956
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 7: not saying he'll succeed there. I have no idea, but

957
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 7: I'm all I'm saying is he won't be judged there

958
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 7: by his draft status. He'll be judged by, Oh, we

959
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 7: paid them, you know, five llion dollars to come compete

960
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 7: for a job, you know what I mean? So who

961
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 7: cares where he was drafted. It wasn't their draft pick.

962
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 7: They don't care. Those fans don't care. So that is

963
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 7: actually a good thing for him. I think it It

964
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 7: eliminates that layer of pressure that you always have to

965
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 7: live up to when you're the team's highly drafted quarterback.

966
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 7: I think that's a real thing, and it is a

967
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 7: tough thing to live up to. And he's still a

968
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 7: young guy, and I think he struggled with that, you know,

969
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 7: in his first couple of years. That's a difficult thing.

970
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 7: And in terms of your question the comparable quarterback, this

971
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 7: is hard because he just hasn't played enough. But I

972
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 7: think that he could be hmm, trying to think of

973
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 7: a good example. Uh, I mean, there may be this

974
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 7: is not a great example, maybe, but I look at

975
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 7: what mac Jones.

976
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: Did this year.

977
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 7: Okay, and he he was obviously not the guy in

978
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 7: New England, but he goes he goes to San Francisco.

979
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 7: He's got a good offensive coach, and he didn't have

980
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 7: the pressure of having to be the franchise quarterback. And

981
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 7: then he was called upon and everybody's like, well, wait

982
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,919
Speaker 7: a minute, this guy can play and and maybe maybe

983
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 7: he can do something like that in time. And so

984
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 7: mac Jones whenever. I don't know what his contract situation

985
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 7: off the top of my head, but let let's say

986
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 7: he signed a one year deal this year. Well, well

987
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 7: if he's a free agent at the end of the year,

988
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 7: well he's going to get now a fresh look and

989
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 7: people will look at him differently.

990
00:56:59,080 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: Right.

991
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 7: So I do think there's an opportunity potent like that

992
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 7: for Anthony Richardson if in fact he gets moved somewhere

993
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 7: and he ended up competing for a job or back

994
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 7: to somebody up.

995
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: You've seen those commercials, Steven, and I think it might

996
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: be for a candy where it takes the NFL players

997
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: and they're like little kids and it does their little

998
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: kid voice. Do you know what I'm talking about? Eddie

999
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: helped me out here? What products I do?

1000
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 4: Uh?

1001
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 7: It's not snickers, right, I don't know, Eddie.

1002
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: Let me let me let me wake up Eddie Garrison here,

1003
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: hang on, say Eddie with us. Yeah, I'm here, Okay.

1004
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: What candy is that that? It's like a commercial where

1005
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: they have two kids. Usually it's like NFL players and

1006
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: it gives the kid version of them talking and it

1007
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: changes their voice and the kid voices airheads? Is it airheads?

1008
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: That might be right either way, Steven. That's what you

1009
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: sound like right now? You okay with that?

1010
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 7: That's what I sound like. I knew, Yeah, I know

1011
00:57:53,680 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 7: that's where this was going. Well, hey, that's what I

1012
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 7: get for saying yes, it's coming off.

1013
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: Okay, for that reason, For that reason, as to spare

1014
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: you sounding like, you know, a juvenile here because you're

1015
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: you know, obviously not that I do want to give

1016
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: you before we let you go here, just the opportunity to,

1017
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: I guess, in totality give me this. And that is

1018
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: your overall thoughts yesterday on the press conference itself, the

1019
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: tone or the tenor of it, where you thought it

1020
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: did or did not explain things, and just what you

1021
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: would say to fans that are still restless.

1022
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 7: Yeah. Look, I would say that if you were hoping

1023
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 7: to get if you were hoping to get the answers

1024
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 7: you want, or let me put it this way, if

1025
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 7: you were hoping to come away from a press conference

1026
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 7: satisfied and with all of your questions answered. You know,

1027
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 7: if you are someone who was not in favor of

1028
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 7: what she did, well, that was never gonna happen. It

1029
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,919
Speaker 7: just it was never gonna happen. I would I would

1030
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 7: say the best thing Carly Ersay Gordon did yesterday was

1031
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 7: getting from the microphone. Everything else that happened. I'm not

1032
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 7: saying it's inconsequential, but I think it's it matters less.

1033
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 7: And here's why, Because I think the accountability of showing

1034
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 7: up and taking the questions, even if you don't like

1035
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 7: the answers, the accountability of getting there and getting in

1036
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 7: front of that fire and squad, that is important. And

1037
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 7: she didn't do that. And I give her a lot

1038
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 7: of credit because it's very clear there watching her like

1039
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 7: it's not her favorite thing in the world, right, this

1040
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 7: is not this is not the thing that she wakes

1041
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 7: up in the morning hoping to do. I have never

1042
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 7: gotten a call from Carly ersay and have her say, hey,

1043
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 7: I got to tell you, and this is on the record,

1044
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 7: Jim irsay did that all the time? Right, So that's

1045
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 7: never gonna happen Carly, at least not the Carly that

1046
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 7: I know, not currently. So you have to understand the

1047
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 7: context of who you're dealing with. And then the other

1048
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 7: thing I would say is this, I get the anger.

1049
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 8: I mean, it is a long time.

1050
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 7: I have heard from people around the league, some people

1051
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 7: who work in the league asking me similar questions, like

1052
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 7: what the hell is going on over there? But I

1053
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 7: would say this, I'll give her this. I think it

1054
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 7: took more courage.

1055
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: This is not a goal star.

1056
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 7: I'm just putting this out. I think it took more

1057
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 7: courage to do what they did as opposed to firing them,

1058
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 7: because that was the thing everybody wanted. They actually are

1059
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 7: taking a gamble and saying we think the guy who

1060
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 7: hasn't been good enough is going to figure this out,

1061
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 7: and the quarterbacks who's hurt is going to find his

1062
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 7: way back, and the coach we're not sure about, we

1063
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 7: think he's the guy. That's what they're saying. So you've

1064
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 7: got to have a lot of gumption to be able

1065
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 7: to say all those things and stand on business and

1066
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 7: go forward with it. And that's what they're doing. So

1067
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,439
Speaker 7: we will see. Time will tell and the arbiter will

1068
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 7: be next year's rect.

1069
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: Okay, speaking of gumption, can I just get you to

1070
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: say this on the way out, Steven? You might need

1071
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: to read it, write it down. Simply say I'm Stephen Holder.

1072
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: I don't like Eddie's Gummies, but I do love my

1073
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: gummy bears. Can we just get you to say that

1074
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a weekly thing?

1075
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 8: By the way, hopefully not.

1076
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Speaker 7: I'm Stevenholder. I don't like Eddie's Gummies, but I like

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01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 7: my gummies.

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Speaker 1: Right, no, no, no, no, no, no no no. I'm

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Speaker 1: Stephen Holder. I don't like Eddie's Gummies, but I do

1080
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:33,479
Speaker 1: love my gummy Bears.

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Speaker 7: Okay, I'm Stephen Holder. I don't like Eddie's Gummies, but

1082
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 7: I do like my Gummy Bears. I have no idea

1083
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 7: what the point of this is, but I think it's

1084
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 7: just for Jake's entertainment. But I'm glad to serve.

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Speaker 1: Listen, what I'm doing here is I'm trying to make

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01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: chicken salad out of proverbial chicken wire on the Internet. Steven,

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01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: We appreciate it as always Man Steven Holder from ESPA

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01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: dot com. We are scheduled to have Scott Agnes later

1089
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: in the program, but we might have to go to

1090
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: an alternate source to see whether or not we can

1091
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: get Scott on the show. I agree with what Stephen

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01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: said and the fact that yesterday I'm aware of it,

1093
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: you know, the press conference. It is unfair to say

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01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: that we anticipated or needed some sort of definitive anger

1095
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: out of Carli Ersee Gordon. And the reality is a

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01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: couple of things. Number One, we have not seen her

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01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: in that setting before. We don't know what her thought

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01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: process is. What we know is that she clearly is

1099
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: an owner that has interest in what goes on as

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01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: to how the sausage is made. To use the quote

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01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: from her father, because jim Irsay was one that you know,

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01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: if you remember what did he say? I like, so

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01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: you know, I don't I know how the sausage is

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01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: made when he was talking about the inner workings of

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01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 1: a football team. And jim Irsay is one that started

1106
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: out in the tower room. Frankly, he was around the

1107
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: NFL from the time that he was a kid with

1108
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: his father. He played collegiately played the game of football

1109
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 1: at SMU. You know Carli Ersa Gordon. For those that

1110
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: don't know her background, she was born in Dallas because

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01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: her father was at SMU. At the time of her birth,

1112
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: she was either three or four years old, but it

1113
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: was in the year of her turning four that the

1114
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: Colts moved to Indianapolis, and so she then moved to Indianapolis.

1115
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: She went to Park Tutor. She and her sister spent

1116
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,959
Speaker 1: a lot of time at Hillcrest Country Club running the pool,

1117
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: you know, running around like any kid, my point being,

1118
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: And then in college went away very intelligent, was working

1119
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: on a master's in psychology, didn't complete that degree, but

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01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: was taking classes towards a master's in psychology, and then

1121
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: came back and began working for the family business. And

1122
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: the family business happened to be the Indianapolis Colts. And

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01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: in that capacity, I think that people of a great

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01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:47,439
Speaker 1: drive and of a great intelligence want to make sure

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Speaker 1: that they know all aspects of the business. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I'll give you a good example. I'll never forget. I

1127
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: have a cousin who owns a business, an engineering company.

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Speaker 1: His father started it, and my cousin went to Purdue,

1129
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: and when he got out of Purdue, I mean, the

1130
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: natural thought would be that he would get out of

1131
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: school and immediately go work for my uncle's company that

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01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: has a building named for it on the Purdue campus. Okay,

1133
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: and my cousin, upon graduating from Perdue moved to San Jose, California.

1134
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 1: And a couple of years after that, I mean, you know,

1135
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: I was working at the cigar store. I didn't have

1136
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 1: much money, but I'm like, I've got a cousin that

1137
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: lives in the Bay Area, what you know, a place

1138
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: to stay if I can get a discount flight out

1139
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: to the Bay Area. I've never been to San Francisco

1140
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: and San Jose. I'd like to go out and see it.

1141
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 1: So I went out to go visit my cousin, and

1142
01:05:55,800 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: all I knew was that he had a read from Purdue,

1143
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: and that his dad owned a big time engineering company

1144
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, and that my cousin was now working for

1145
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: an engineering company in San Jose, Perdue a leading engineering school.

1146
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: So I assumed that when I got there that I

1147
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: was going to go into his office and see, you know,

1148
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: and I'd see his ties hanging in the closet and

1149
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 1: when I got to his place in San Jose, I

1150
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: walked in and the first thing that I noticed was

1151
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: a dirt covered pair of construction boots sitting on the mat.

1152
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you're doing yard work or what. He's like, No,

1153
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 1: i'd wear those to work.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: He's like, listen in the morning. You know, you're welcome

1156
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: to take my car and go to San Francisco, whatever.

1157
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 1: But I got to get up at five, I got

1158
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: to be at work at six thirty. The construction site.

1159
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: A construction site, what are you talking about? And he

1160
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: had his pencil and his hard hat and his combat

1161
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: but you know, his work boots and the whole deal.

1162
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 1: Because his dad said, look, you're not just going to

1163
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: come work for the family business. You've got to learn

1164
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: the ground level of the family business. And I always

1165
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: greatly admired that he went out and worked for years

1166
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 1: doing that and worked at every aspect of a business

1167
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: and a company before then eventually going in working for

1168
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 1: his dad's company, where again did he started outside the

1169
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: boardroom and again had to work his way up. But

1170
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: he now had the foundation of all of those things.

1171
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: In the case of Carli Ursa Gordon, is it unorthodox

1172
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 1: to see her on the sidelines wearing the headset. Yes,

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01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: it's unusual. We haven't seen that before. And there's probably

1174
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: also a filter by which we unfairly critique that because

1175
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 1: we're also not used to seeing a female owner. You

1176
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 1: see him in movies. You saw it with the Rams, ironically,

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01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 1: the franchise that was traded with her grandfather in ownership,

1178
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 1: when Carol Rosebloom had the franchise of the of the

1179
01:07:54,960 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 1: Colts and they swapped franchises, and then eventually Georgia Frontier

1180
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: had the Rams and I lived in Saint Louis when

1181
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: Georgia Frontier was the owner of the Rams before the

1182
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 1: Cronkeys took over, and she was critiqued by people as

1183
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 1: being this flamboyant, you know, Lovey Howell type character on

1184
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,600
Speaker 1: the sidelines that was more worried about the glitz and

1185
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: glamour than winning an NFL Super Bowl. And guess what,

1186
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: they won the Super Bowl, and she bought many Lombardes

1187
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 1: for everybody on the staff and huge rings and was

1188
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 1: as generous as could be. And then suddenly, because they won,

1189
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:39,560
Speaker 1: she was a great owner. And in the case of

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01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 1: Carl ERSA. Gordon, the reality is whether we want to

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01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: admit it or not. Subconsciously, I do think that there's

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01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:46,720
Speaker 1: a different level in the way that we digest or

1193
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: interpret or assume her grasp and her understanding of running

1194
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 1: a franchise. Part of that is gender associated. More of

1195
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: that is just age associated. Owners are supposed to be

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01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 1: seventy year old guys that have seen it all or

1197
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 1: women that have seen it all. And so there was

1198
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 1: a lot of expectation, be it fair or not, about

1199
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: what people wanted to or expected to hear yesterday, and

1200
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 1: at the very least what they wanted and expected to

1201
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 1: hear was certainty, conviction, and strength of this is I

1202
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: am I'm in charge now and this is unacceptable to

1203
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: me now. I have made the decision to bring back

1204
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: Chris Ballad and Shane Steichen, and the reason why is

1205
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: because when I have been evaluating and assessing where we

1206
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: go from here, it is my belief that there is

1207
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 1: enough in the foundation that that is the stronger alternative

1208
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 1: for now than to make a change at this point

1209
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 1: given the roster that we have. However, I have told

1210
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 1: Chris and Shane and they are emphatically under the understanding

1211
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 1: that this needs to turn around. And this is the

1212
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 1: most important year that there can be to say and

1213
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: sit up there and say there's an urgency. Now, there's

1214
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 1: an urgency. Now what.

1215
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 7: What do you mean?

1216
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 1: There's an urgency now? The urgency just began when I

1217
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: bought my season tickets ten years ago. I would have

1218
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 1: liked to have known that then. I would have liked

1219
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 1: to have known when I bought season tickets in twenty eighteen.

1220
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: Don't worry in the twenty twenty sixth season. There's an

1221
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 1: urgency that begins then. That's why people are poed, That's

1222
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 1: why people are disappointed, That's why people are frustrated. And

1223
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: I understand all of it. It was her first time

1224
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: to really show leadership in front of the fans, and

1225
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 1: I think fans felt like she fell short in that regard.

1226
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 1: And that's an unfair critique, perhaps because this is new

1227
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 1: to her. I get it. But in terms of the

1228
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 1: wearing the headsets and the unorthodox things, I think it

1229
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: goes back to the reality is this. The reality is

1230
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 1: that she is a young woman that wanted to blaze

1231
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 1: her own path, one would assume, and went about from

1232
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: an education and an entrepreneurial I can't even say that word,

1233
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:30,560
Speaker 1: but from a business standpoint, a direction away from the

1234
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 1: game of football, because she probably was under the understanding

1235
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 1: or the assumption that football was going to be like

1236
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: the second career for her, because she was not going

1237
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 1: to be thrust into this limelight until late into her

1238
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 1: fifties or early sixties. And unfortunately her father was ill

1239
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: for a while there and then passed. And so yes,

1240
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 1: she did and was within the franchise, probably an earlier

1241
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: time than even she expected. But I don't think that

1242
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 1: she anticipated that this would be that the now would

1243
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: be there, but for her to say, like the urgency, now,

1244
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: there's an urgency again, just something that comes over time

1245
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 1: with immedia training. But the bottom line is this. The

1246
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 1: bottom line is it's a franchise that's stuck in mediocrity.

1247
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 1: It's a franchise that is being led by somebody that

1248
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 1: doesn't give them a clear path to lead you to

1249
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 1: believe that that mediocrity is going to change. And it's

1250
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 1: a franchise that, once again, as we talk about proactive

1251
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: versus reactive, appears to be slow on reaction with no proactiveness.

1252
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 1: And in addition to that, seemingly it is a franchise

1253
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: that did not have a plan be. And the reason

1254
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 1: they're in the situation they're in now is because more

1255
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,680
Speaker 1: often than not, either don't have a plan B or

1256
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 1: the plan by they come up with is the wrong one.

1257
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: And that's the disappointment of it. And that's why people

1258
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: are upset. And yesterday, going into it, I was simply

1259
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:05,720
Speaker 1: telling you what I was assuming was her reasoning for

1260
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:10,120
Speaker 1: bringing back Stikeen and Ballard. And where I think people

1261
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 1: are additionally upset is I don't think they have any

1262
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: more clear understanding of that reasoning than they did going

1263
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:24,599
Speaker 1: into the press conference. It's a great song. Great song.

1264
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: Jake Queer here along with Eddie Garrison Querying Company on

1265
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:33,759
Speaker 1: ninety three five and one seven five the Fan thanks

1266
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 1: to Cluster Truck for lunch. Once again, Eddie, I realized,

1267
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 1: and you kind of go with your typically you go

1268
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: with what the Korean barbecue, right, the.

1269
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 6: Korean barbecue salmon, or the barbecue smoked pork, mac and cheese,

1270
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 6: And which did.

1271
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 4: You go with?

1272
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 1: This time? I went with the mac and cheese, and

1273
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,479
Speaker 1: they brought us some fabulous cookies. Right.

1274
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 6: I also do the barbecue chicken strips as well from

1275
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 6: time to time, because those are so good. Yeah, Receie's

1276
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 6: Peanut butter Cups cluster.

1277
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 1: Truck, by the way, is the beauty of it. Not

1278
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:08,599
Speaker 1: only are they like really quick with getting the food

1279
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 1: to you, but they don't start making it till you

1280
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 1: order it. So you order it, it goes right to

1281
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 1: a local kitchen, made right there and then on its

1282
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 1: way to you. People like when I do that sound effect,

1283
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 1: which I find od I would like to point out

1284
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 1: that one of our engineers in the building, Cam is

1285
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 1: a diehard Ohio State fan. And this guy you want

1286
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 1: to talk about, you know, having himself a pair. He

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01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 1: is dressed completely. Is there an Ohio State pep rally

1288
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: today of which I'm unfamiliar? He's decked out completely in

1289
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:44,920
Speaker 1: his Ohio State Buckeye gear. Cam, is there? Are you

1290
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: headed to something? Is that basketball season? What are we

1291
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:51,560
Speaker 1: doing here? What am I missing? Are you wearing the

1292
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 1: snow hat? People? Nothing? I figured it out. You're wearing

1293
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 1: the snow hat because the playoffs are still ongoing and

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01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 1: Ohio State's left out in the cold, right Is that

1295
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 1: what it is? Cherryep. We'll go with that one, Okay,

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01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 1: fair enough? The Indiana Oregon matchup, Yes, it is going

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01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 1: to be tough for Indiana to be to Oregon, because

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01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 1: it's always difficult to be a team twice. And yes,

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01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 1: Kurt Signetti has said that these two teams have morphed

1300
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 1: into completely different teams from what they were at the

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01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: beginning of the year. I understand all of that, and

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01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 1: I didn't think, you know, a year ago, you all

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01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:41,559
Speaker 1: heard it myself included I said it, well, that Indiana

1304
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:43,600
Speaker 1: story was pretty nice. I mean, that was neat the

1305
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 1: way that they had that great year and at Kurt

1306
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 1: Signetti something. But then they went in against Notre Dame

1307
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:53,560
Speaker 1: and you know, he got a little bit conservative and

1308
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, they could have beaten him fifty to three

1309
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 1: in the end, didn't really belong. It was a cool story,

1310
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: but they kind of got lucky. And those two games

1311
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 1: they played against no tournament Ohio State, they got beaten both.

1312
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 1: So next year's gonna be I mean, they got to

1313
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: go to Oregon, they got to go to Penn State.

1314
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: Pilou's three games, and I was I didn't think they'd

1315
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 1: lose three, but I certainly thought Oregon, for example, was

1316
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 1: going to be a tough one. And they go and

1317
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:25,599
Speaker 1: they play Oregon and they win in Eugene, and then

1318
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 1: they have the they turn around against Iowa and they

1319
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 1: snatch victory from the jaws of defeat, and they go

1320
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: to Happy Valley where Penn State's season had completely gone

1321
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 1: the way of the Hindenburg and they need that play

1322
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 1: and that drive at the end from Mendoza to Omar Cooper.

1323
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 1: And then they go in against Ohio State, and I

1324
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 1: think Ohio State is fantastic, and I'm thinking to myself,

1325
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 1: I have a worry here that Ohio State's going to

1326
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 1: turn up the wick and Indiana's going to find out

1327
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:05,719
Speaker 1: that Ohio State is a seventeen point better team than Indiana.

1328
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:14,719
Speaker 1: And they go out in that game and you realize, gosh,

1329
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 1: Indiana's front four is nasty, and Indiana's quarterback is better

1330
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 1: than Ohio State's. Ohio State's got the three best receivers

1331
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:35,560
Speaker 1: on the field, but they're not throwing to them, and

1332
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 1: Ohio State's trying to run the football and Indiana's just

1333
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 1: make him play after play. And it was at that time,

1334
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 1: and yes, I was late to the party. The invitation

1335
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 1: said seven PM, and I walked in the door at

1336
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 1: eight thirty. I was late to the party. In recognizing

1337
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 1: and fully being convened of what this Indiana team has

1338
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:06,679
Speaker 1: done and who they are because and it's very easy

1339
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:10,640
Speaker 1: to get caught up in and it's very easy to

1340
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 1: get swept away by recruiting rankings and pregame rankings and

1341
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 1: point spreads in all of that. But it doesn't matter

1342
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 1: that Elijah Surrat was unranked coming out of high school

1343
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: and went to James Madison. It doesn't matter that Aiden

1344
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:34,759
Speaker 1: Fisher basically the same. It doesn't matter that Charlie Becker

1345
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 1: was like the four hundred and ninety ninth recruit in

1346
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 1: the country or whatever and was the thirty eighth best

1347
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 1: prospect in the state of Tennessee. None of that matters.

1348
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:48,799
Speaker 1: What matters is what happens once they get to Indiana

1349
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 1: and the way that they've been developed. And you don't

1350
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: win games on the ranking that you had coming out

1351
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:02,640
Speaker 1: of high school. If you did, Romeo Langford would have

1352
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 1: been winning Big ten titles. And I mean he was

1353
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 1: the great. I mean Romeo Langford when he announced that

1354
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 1: he was going to Indiana, had fat guys in sweatpants

1355
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 1: wrapped around the high school waiting for his autograph, and

1356
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 1: his minister up there speaking for thirty minutes and his

1357
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: principal speaking and his dad walking around with an arm

1358
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 1: sleeve and whatever else, and everybody going goga because it

1359
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:27,560
Speaker 1: was a slam dunk that he was going to be

1360
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,640
Speaker 1: the greatest player ever to played Indiana, because he was

1361
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 1: a number two recruit and a five star and aj geiton.

1362
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: At the time that he announced that he was going

1363
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,560
Speaker 1: to Indiana out of Peoria, like two people and his

1364
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 1: mailman knew about it and Braden Smith. People were like, yeah,

1365
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: Braiden Prdue got Braden Smith great whatever, Like you know,

1366
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 1: nice player, and I know he was a mister basketball,

1367
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: but like you know, he's a smaller guy, undersized. Okay,

1368
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:57,599
Speaker 1: it's about development. It's about what you become and who

1369
01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 1: you are as a college player. So my long winded,

1370
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 1: gratuitous route is to say this, I am past the

1371
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: point of doubting Indiana, and I'm late to the party, man,

1372
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 1: and I'm the first two a minute. Mock me, ridicule me,

1373
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 1: laugh at me, tell me I'm wrong. All you want, fine,

1374
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 1: I'll take it. Not to say that I thought they

1375
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 1: were going to lose every game that they've won. But

1376
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:20,599
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is I am late to the party

1377
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 1: of simply saying you are a fool. If you want

1378
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 1: to say that Indiana is going to struggle against Oregon

1379
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:31,720
Speaker 1: because Oregon has a precise passing game that is quick

1380
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 1: release and fast. Fine. If you want to say that

1381
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 1: Oregon has an advantage because they have more speed at

1382
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 1: critical positions. Fine. If you want to say that Oregon

1383
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,800
Speaker 1: has advantage over Indiana because psychologically it's difficult to beat

1384
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 1: a team twice, have that. But if you want to

1385
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 1: say that Indiana is not going to win this game

1386
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 1: because they're Indiana and Oregon's been there before, then I

1387
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:59,639
Speaker 1: got news for you. I got basement land in Florida.

1388
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 1: I'd love to sell you. You have to be past

1389
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 1: the point of doubting this Indiana team. You have to

1390
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 1: and you have to buy into the fact that there

1391
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 1: is just something about this season with Indiana and Kurt

1392
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 1: Signetti a preparation. And I know that I've been saying this,

1393
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say you're gonna hear me say it

1394
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 1: all week. We've been talking about two football teams on

1395
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 1: this radio station and on this show for the last month,

1396
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 1: one of which is where they are now because they're

1397
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 1: always prepared for what's around the corner, and the other

1398
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 1: of which is in the situation they're in because they're

1399
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 1: always hit by surprises when no one else is shocked.

1400
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 1: And for the Colts standpoint, I go back again to

1401
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 1: the Ed Norton analogy. The whole time, you're thinking, it's

1402
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 1: the sweet innocent kid that occasionally loses time and then

1403
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 1: the bad side comes out. But at what point are

1404
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 1: we going to say that this franchise actually might be

1405
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 1: the bad Ed Norton and that it was all a

1406
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 1: ruse to make you think that there's a sweet, lovable

1407
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:22,679
Speaker 1: innocence there. And from the IU standpoint, we have thought

1408
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 1: forever that it's been nothing but a punchline. And now

1409
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 1: guess what, they're the punchers and get used to it,

1410
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:34,640
Speaker 1: because so long as Kurt Signetti is there, they have preparation,

1411
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 1: they have understanding of task, and they are prepared for

1412
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 1: what's happening next. And I don't know that last year

1413
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 1: they were, to be honest with you, I mean, I

1414
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 1: do think that he aired in the way that he

1415
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 1: conducted himself in the pregame before the Notre Dame game,

1416
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:52,600
Speaker 1: if we're being fair, I thought that he aired in

1417
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 1: going on college game day and having that bravada. I

1418
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:59,600
Speaker 1: think that he I truly think this. I think Signetti

1419
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:05,599
Speaker 1: went on that college game day set in South Bend

1420
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,600
Speaker 1: and saw McAfee on the stage and thought he was

1421
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 1: still in the mantra or the character of the Pat

1422
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 1: McAfee show and went with that level of you know, bravada.

1423
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,719
Speaker 1: And that's when Saban was like, hey man, you shouldn't

1424
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 1: be saying these things right now. The game is an

1425
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 1: hour and a half from kickoff, and you know, he

1426
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 1: was like, we just go out there and we just

1427
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 1: beat people's button, you know, and all that. I thought

1428
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:34,440
Speaker 1: he aired there, and I think he miscalculated and mistimed

1429
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 1: the moment and they went out and Notre Dame handled

1430
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 1: him pretty easily. But I think he learned from that

1431
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 1: and has not hit a wrong note since. And yes

1432
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 1: he is a coach of elite level record, but like

1433
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 1: anybody else, you learn through your errors. And I think

1434
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 1: he aired there, and I don't know what other errors.

1435
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 1: Now there are two amend for because what they've done

1436
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 1: in the transfer portal, what they did to Ohio State,

1437
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:04,440
Speaker 1: what they did to Oregon, what they did to Alabama,

1438
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 1: Indiana has arguably the three most impressive wins of the

1439
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:17,800
Speaker 1: college football season. They do. I'd also like to know this,

1440
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:23,839
Speaker 1: and I did this yesterday around this time. This time yesterday,

1441
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:30,720
Speaker 1: we were anticipating the press conference for the Colts. We've

1442
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:35,600
Speaker 1: now seen it. We've now had time to ingest and

1443
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 1: then digest it. And I feel like sometimes I maybe

1444
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:44,800
Speaker 1: even unfairly speak for all of you. Now, you're not

1445
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 1: going to sound like Mickey Mouse. I don't think. You're

1446
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:50,799
Speaker 1: not going to sound like you're in the Gummy Bear commercial.

1447
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:55,639
Speaker 1: I don't think. But if you're willing to run that risk,

1448
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:58,839
Speaker 1: I'd like to know what you thought about yesterday's presser

1449
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 1: so that I'm not speaking for you. The telephone number

1450
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,679
Speaker 1: is two three nine ten seventy. You can also text

1451
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 1: me either at the station text two three nine ten

1452
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 1: seventy to the show, or at my number, which is

1453
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 1: five two three ninety two eighty eight five two three

1454
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 1: ninety two eight eight. Couple of show announcements and those

1455
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 1: comments from you next Eddie, you, Billy Joel guy. You

1456
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 1: know I like some of his hits. This is one

1457
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:36,719
Speaker 1: of them. Two three nine ten seventy is the telephone number.

1458
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:40,680
Speaker 1: I would like to know people's thoughts yesterday. I do

1459
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 1: think that I mean selfishly, I guess in the sake

1460
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 1: of fairness or transparency. You know, I had several people

1461
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 1: that thought that I was not hard enough on the

1462
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 1: Colts yesterday. And as I mentioned off the top of

1463
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 1: the show, and I'll mention it again just as an explanation,

1464
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:09,759
Speaker 1: yesterday at two twenty ish, we were under the assumption

1465
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 1: that the press conference for the CEO and owner of

1466
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:17,720
Speaker 1: the Colts would take place at two thirty. So we

1467
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 1: came back and I'm looking, you know, and I'm going

1468
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 1: to listen what I'm about to say. I love I

1469
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:28,720
Speaker 1: love this. I'm not saying this as a woe is

1470
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 1: me thing at all. I enjoy it, and it is

1471
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:37,719
Speaker 1: truthfully a compliment or kind of almost an adrenaline rush

1472
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 1: to be the one that has the responsibility of what

1473
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 1: I'm about to say. But I know that we're waiting

1474
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 1: on this press conference to take place, and so I

1475
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:47,800
Speaker 1: know that I've got to fill a little bit of

1476
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 1: time until tap dance as we call it in the business,

1477
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 1: till the press conference starts. And I'm looking at it

1478
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, I mean, what is going on?

1479
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 1: Like there's no we're getting no indication on when this

1480
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:02,560
Speaker 1: is actually going to happen, So leading up to it,

1481
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:04,799
Speaker 1: knowing that I'm going to throw to it at any minute,

1482
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, let me just introduce what it is

1483
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 1: that we're about to hear from. And so in that capacity,

1484
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 1: even though I had said yesterday at the beginning of

1485
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 1: the show, I said, I will spell this out from

1486
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 1: both sides, what I think the Colts should do, and

1487
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 1: then in addition to that, I will tell you what

1488
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 1: I think the Colt's line of thinking is. Because we

1489
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 1: now know that Chris Ballard and Chainsdyke and are coming back,

1490
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 1: that's all we knew was that they're coming back. We

1491
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:36,679
Speaker 1: didn't know if they'd been like signed to a longer term.

1492
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 1: We didn't know if they were told you're on the

1493
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,640
Speaker 1: control chair. We didn't know, if you know, if they

1494
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:43,640
Speaker 1: were being told during the last year in contract. And

1495
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:45,879
Speaker 1: then that's that we had no idea. We had assumption

1496
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 1: that it was all was you know, kumbay ah, but

1497
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:54,679
Speaker 1: we didn't know. So I came on and just said,

1498
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 1: what we know is that Chris Ballard and Schainsdyke and

1499
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 1: will return as the general manager and coach of the

1500
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts, respectively, and then I said, I think I've

1501
01:28:07,479 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 1: shared my thought on what they should have done, which

1502
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:12,559
Speaker 1: is I thought they needed to change the general manager.

1503
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 1: Follow that up with but this would be my assumed

1504
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 1: reason that will be explained perhaps on why they decided

1505
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 1: to go in this direction. And one of the things

1506
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 1: that I've pointed out was the possibility that they didn't

1507
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 1: have a choice about making a change at this time

1508
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 1: because there are business or operational things that need to

1509
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 1: be executed that took away from the time necessary to

1510
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:52,639
Speaker 1: get into the nuances of the on field football aspect

1511
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:56,360
Speaker 1: of it, and that would be unfortunate, and that would

1512
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 1: be to an extent not something I mean in excuse

1513
01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 1: me the wrong word, maybe understandable, but frustrating. And I

1514
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 1: was simply laying out that possible hypothesis, still looking at

1515
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 1: the clock, like are we doing this press conference or

1516
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:13,639
Speaker 1: not having no idea where we were going, And several

1517
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 1: people thought that I was not hard enough on the

1518
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 1: Colts at that time. Now that we heard the press conference,

1519
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 1: and now that we finally went to it, I think

1520
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 1: everybody knows where I stand on it. This from my

1521
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 1: text message Jake, my opinion about Carli ersay, plain and simple.

1522
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,599
Speaker 1: She knows how an NFL organization works, but she does

1523
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 1: not know how winning football decisions work. She's like that

1524
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 1: new fantasy football team owner and a league full of

1525
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:48,880
Speaker 1: grizzled veterans. That from David on the east side, Jake,

1526
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:52,679
Speaker 1: I have to believe the decision to retain Chris Ballard

1527
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 1: was due to looking at eight games of an easy

1528
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 1: schedule instead of eight years of mediocrity. The Colts only

1529
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,120
Speaker 1: won two games all ye year against teams with winning

1530
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 1: records this year, and of those two wins came as

1531
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 1: a gift from the Broncos on a penalty after the

1532
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 1: Colts had lost due to Shane's decision to run out

1533
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:10,560
Speaker 1: the clock and try a sixty yard field goal. The

1534
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:13,799
Speaker 1: Colts remained a mediocre team with a mediocre general manager.

1535
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 1: Keep in mind of the six games they won and

1536
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:22,680
Speaker 1: that eight game stretch of those games, how many of

1537
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 1: them even have their head coach or their general manager

1538
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 1: back or both?

1539
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 4: Right?

1540
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,720
Speaker 1: They got fat off bad teams. Yes, Eddie, we have

1541
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:36,439
Speaker 1: a new letter. What's that? We have a new letter

1542
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 1: from Colts ownership to its fans.

1543
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:38,640
Speaker 4: Oh?

1544
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:43,760
Speaker 6: Really, yes, and it's two screenshots worthy.

1545
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 1: Okay, do you happen to have by chance the breaking

1546
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 1: news sounder. This just in from the Indianapolis Colts. I

1547
01:30:56,520 --> 01:31:00,600
Speaker 1: will read it right before us. Dear Colts fans like you,

1548
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 1: you're without a doubt frustrated with the final results. Me sorry,

1549
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 1: I already screwed up the reading of this. Let me

1550
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:11,719
Speaker 1: go to the higher image Eddie. This from the Indianapolis Colts,

1551
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 1: a letter from ownership Deer Colts fans like you, we are,

1552
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 1: without a doubt frustrated with the final results of the season.

1553
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:22,600
Speaker 1: Until we win, consistently claimed the division and reached the playoffs,

1554
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:25,280
Speaker 1: we're not meeting the high standard we all expect of

1555
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:28,799
Speaker 1: our team. At the same time, there were many moments

1556
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:31,360
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five that led us to believe we

1557
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 1: can achieve sustained success. That's why we're confident about the

1558
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 1: blueprint Chris Ballard and Shane Stike and created last year,

1559
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 1: and why we're confident they can build on the progress

1560
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:47,360
Speaker 1: we saw early on this past season. Last offseason, our

1561
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:51,960
Speaker 1: dad challenged our entire organization to fix the issues preventing

1562
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 1: us from reaching the playoffs. Chris and his team responded

1563
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 1: by taking a different approach to building the roster. We

1564
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:01,880
Speaker 1: were aggressive in free agency. We acquired a quarterback who

1565
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 1: helped lead our offense to historic start. We found talent

1566
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 1: in the draft, and we traded our premiere. We traded

1567
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:14,559
Speaker 1: for a premiere cornerback. That is page one of two.

1568
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 1: It goes on to say the philosophy paid immediate dividends,

1569
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 1: but our fast start to the season makes missing the

1570
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:25,760
Speaker 1: playoffs sting even more. It also gave us a look

1571
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 1: at what's possible when we have the right components in place.

1572
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 1: Replicating that success and extending it throughout the season and

1573
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 1: into the playoffs will be our goal. We know many

1574
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:41,679
Speaker 1: fans want change now, and we hear respect and understand

1575
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:45,719
Speaker 1: the frustration. But make no mistake, the urgency to succeed

1576
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:48,800
Speaker 1: and win has never been higher, and we believe we

1577
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 1: can compete for the division and a playoff berth next

1578
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 1: season and into the future. In the meantime, thank you

1579
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 1: for supporting the Horseshoe through what has been a challenging

1580
01:32:57,479 --> 01:32:59,880
Speaker 1: year on and off the field. We wish you all

1581
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:05,519
Speaker 1: a wonderful and prosperous twenty twenty six. Sincerely, carli Ers,

1582
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 1: Gordon Casey, Foyt, and Kaylin Jackson end quote. Now, I

1583
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 1: get it, but I don't think that people are going

1584
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:25,000
Speaker 1: to feel confident in that, because that is to say

1585
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:32,240
Speaker 1: that you are assessing the totality of the Chris Ballard

1586
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 1: era based on changes from the first ten games, and

1587
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 1: you appear to be omitting that of the rest of

1588
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:51,519
Speaker 1: the time seventy seventy eight and one, and we are

1589
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 1: all just Gerbils spinning on the same treadmill. That's what

1590
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 1: it feels like. We're just on that wheel. And I

1591
01:33:57,680 --> 01:34:01,000
Speaker 1: am confident in saying I hope I'm wrong. I absolutely

1592
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 1: hope I'm wrong, But I'm confident in saying that we

1593
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:08,880
Speaker 1: are going to be having this same conversation next year, because,

1594
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 1: as I said yesterday, to most people by this time,

1595
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:15,240
Speaker 1: and maybe we've got like two more days left of

1596
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 1: saying it. But when you see people right now this

1597
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:19,479
Speaker 1: week for the first time, you say happy New Year,

1598
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:23,240
Speaker 1: but you don't on West fifty sixth, because it ain't

1599
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:27,360
Speaker 1: a happy new year. There is no new year, because

1600
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:31,760
Speaker 1: it's the same as last and it's the same as

1601
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:34,559
Speaker 1: the year before that, and the same as the year

1602
01:34:34,600 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 1: before that, and the same as the year before that.

1603
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 1: And you had the opportunity to measure and judge and

1604
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 1: critique over a one hundred and forty nine game stretch,

1605
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 1: and you opted for ten. And you can say to

1606
01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:01,559
Speaker 1: me till the cows come home that the injuries were

1607
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:04,760
Speaker 1: the culprit. But the biggest injury to the Colts was

1608
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:07,839
Speaker 1: at the quarterback position. And they have mentioned the quarterback

1609
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:11,759
Speaker 1: in that statement. They mentioned Sauce Gardner indirectly, but outside

1610
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 1: of that, the one change that's made in that statement

1611
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 1: was quarterback. We got a quarterback that did great things,

1612
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:20,280
Speaker 1: a quarterback now who's coming off of a ruptured achilles

1613
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:23,719
Speaker 1: that isn't signed for next year. You have two different

1614
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 1: variables in play that you're hoping fall into place so

1615
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:29,680
Speaker 1: that you can sustain and pick up where you left off.

1616
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:31,560
Speaker 1: And where you left off was beating a bunch of

1617
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:35,519
Speaker 1: really bad teams. And where you left off was going

1618
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:38,080
Speaker 1: into a situation where, yes, you were eight and two,

1619
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 1: but you hadn't played the media your schedule yet, you

1620
01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:42,120
Speaker 1: hadn't played a team that blitz the hell out of

1621
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:44,519
Speaker 1: you and completely confused your quarterback at that point, and

1622
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:46,759
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the turnovers started to creep themselves

1623
01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 1: back up. You hadn't done any of those things just yet.

1624
01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:55,559
Speaker 1: And you can sit here and say that it came

1625
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:58,040
Speaker 1: down to the fact that we no longer had that quarterback.

1626
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:00,880
Speaker 1: But it's your general manager, not me, not Eddie Garrison,

1627
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:03,759
Speaker 1: not jameev not Kevin Bowen, not James Boyden, not Jeff Rickard,

1628
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:06,800
Speaker 1: nobody else in this town. It's the general manager who

1629
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:10,000
Speaker 1: has said it comes down to being about more than

1630
01:36:10,040 --> 01:36:12,519
Speaker 1: one person. If it's about more than one person, and

1631
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:14,320
Speaker 1: he said that when Ander Luck was on the roster,

1632
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:17,360
Speaker 1: don't think our success is directly linked to ANDERW. Luck

1633
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 1: because it's about more than that on the roster. And

1634
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:21,679
Speaker 1: he said last year when everybody was asking questions about

1635
01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:24,720
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson, guys, you know we got other guys on

1636
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:27,120
Speaker 1: this roster. And then the nervous laughter right and the

1637
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:29,639
Speaker 1: blink of the eyes. He said that, So you can't

1638
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:33,000
Speaker 1: turn around and tell me that your utter failure, disappointment

1639
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:35,960
Speaker 1: and leaving everybody thirsting for more is based on the

1640
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:39,759
Speaker 1: fact that one player went down. It's a hogwash excuse,

1641
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:42,680
Speaker 1: it's a BS excuse. And people in this town have

1642
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:45,400
Speaker 1: heard way too much, way too long of the same

1643
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 1: story over and over and over and the only thing

1644
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:50,040
Speaker 1: that's different from one year to the next is the excuse.

1645
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:55,479
Speaker 1: What's your excuse going to be next year. That's how

1646
01:36:55,560 --> 01:37:03,560
Speaker 1: people feel. I hate saying this, but it seems to

1647
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:06,160
Speaker 1: me the only reason you would send that press release

1648
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:08,800
Speaker 1: or that letter to fans out today is if you

1649
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:17,000
Speaker 1: know that yesterday's press conference didn't take you basically said

1650
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:21,880
Speaker 1: all that yesterday, unless it was just hey, let's do

1651
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:30,880
Speaker 1: this in summary. But it actually I guess I can

1652
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:33,600
Speaker 1: say this word because Carli Ersa Gordon used it in

1653
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 1: the press conference. It makes me. I don't think you

1654
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:40,439
Speaker 1: can say by FCC rule that you can't say this

1655
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:46,839
Speaker 1: blanks you off, but it does make me, I'll say peeved.

1656
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:54,519
Speaker 1: I think it's an insult. I think it's an insult

1657
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:59,160
Speaker 1: to people who pay their hard earned money, all that

1658
01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:05,560
Speaker 1: people want, all that people want when you pay the

1659
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:09,400
Speaker 1: money that people pay for tickets, when you invest the

1660
01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:15,880
Speaker 1: emotions that you invest in a football team, and more so, yes,

1661
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:18,760
Speaker 1: are the Colts held to a higher standard. Yes, you

1662
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:23,639
Speaker 1: know why they play and at the time of its

1663
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:28,200
Speaker 1: development in the most publicly subsidized building in the United States,

1664
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:35,040
Speaker 1: and when you have that sort of a tax windfall

1665
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:42,240
Speaker 1: that comes your way, then yes, And I know people

1666
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:44,080
Speaker 1: can tell me till the cows come home that you

1667
01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:47,720
Speaker 1: know the money comes from a different revenue source or

1668
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:49,880
Speaker 1: the taxes, well, no, jake you or moron, because the

1669
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:53,320
Speaker 1: taxes that go into you know, the hospitality taxes are

1670
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:56,160
Speaker 1: different than the taxes that pay for roads and schools.

1671
01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:04,559
Speaker 1: I get it. But when you have finances that are

1672
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:08,080
Speaker 1: there or the ability to generate them in certain areas,

1673
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:10,120
Speaker 1: and you have certain areas of this city that are

1674
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:14,519
Speaker 1: crumbling before your eyes, then all people expect and all

1675
01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:19,680
Speaker 1: people want, is that you're giving your best effort and

1676
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:24,200
Speaker 1: doing what is the absolute best to give people return

1677
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:29,280
Speaker 1: on their investment. And when you invest money in something,

1678
01:39:29,439 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 1: you expect the money to grow. When you check your

1679
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:35,439
Speaker 1: four oh one K after nine years, you expect the

1680
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:38,719
Speaker 1: balance to be higher than it was than where you started.

1681
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:44,880
Speaker 1: And for the most part, for the last nine years,

1682
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:51,160
Speaker 1: it's been crap. Uh playoff win a playoff game at home,

1683
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:57,920
Speaker 1: and just a bunch of crap and the same sorry

1684
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:04,599
Speaker 1: ass excuse every year. Sorry, it's gonna fall flat with people.

1685
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:12,720
Speaker 1: It's gonna get people peeved, it's gonna get people frustrated

1686
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:17,639
Speaker 1: and upset and somebody asked me, well, Jake, if Ballard

1687
01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:20,479
Speaker 1: is seventy seventy eight and one, why are people upset

1688
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:22,360
Speaker 1: by that? And they're not upset that the Pacers are

1689
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:25,080
Speaker 1: six and thirty. And it is true. I've been out

1690
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:27,439
Speaker 1: of Pacer games and I was highly I couldn't believe it.

1691
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 1: Last week I looked up and I'm like, this place

1692
01:40:29,439 --> 01:40:32,160
Speaker 1: is like packed. They're playing San Antonio. Whimby probably has

1693
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:34,160
Speaker 1: a lot to do with that, but I do think

1694
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:37,880
Speaker 1: it's because the Pacers have exhibited two things, not always,

1695
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:42,800
Speaker 1: not always, trust me, there were pitchforks out after the brawl,

1696
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:45,799
Speaker 1: and you got guys like Tremaine Folks and Britton Johnson

1697
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:48,760
Speaker 1: out there playing, and there were times where they were

1698
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:53,719
Speaker 1: just sitting there, sinking in the quicksand for years, Troy

1699
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:56,760
Speaker 1: Murphy and Mike Dunlevy and trying to make things work.

1700
01:40:56,880 --> 01:40:59,800
Speaker 1: I trust me. There was plenty of frustration over that franchise,

1701
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:05,720
Speaker 1: but of late in the recent installment of it, a

1702
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:08,920
Speaker 1: half away from winning the NBA title. And in addition

1703
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:12,840
Speaker 1: to that, you have a franchise that when it came

1704
01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:15,439
Speaker 1: down to it and they were stuck in mediocrity, they

1705
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:19,280
Speaker 1: were not afraid. They were not afraid to make a

1706
01:41:19,439 --> 01:41:22,840
Speaker 1: change and go out and get Halliburton and trade some

1707
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:25,400
Speaker 1: bonus and rock the apple cart. They weren't afraid to

1708
01:41:25,479 --> 01:41:28,040
Speaker 1: do it. They didn't sit around and just keep rehashing

1709
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:29,840
Speaker 1: the same thing over and over and then saying the

1710
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:34,840
Speaker 1: same sorry, excuse. Now, as it stands, right now, at

1711
01:41:34,840 --> 01:41:37,320
Speaker 1: six and thirty, they are getting the benefit of the

1712
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:40,200
Speaker 1: doubt because they earned that benefit of the doubt because

1713
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:44,960
Speaker 1: they had said initially, here's what we're doing, and now

1714
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:46,960
Speaker 1: they said at six and thirty, and yeah, it sucks,

1715
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:50,960
Speaker 1: it does, but at least there's tangible evidence for it,

1716
01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:54,560
Speaker 1: because Halliburton's out and Toppin's out, and Nie Smith was

1717
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:56,680
Speaker 1: out for a long time and nim Hart was out

1718
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:59,320
Speaker 1: for a long time and McConnell's been out and you're

1719
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:02,840
Speaker 1: starting center left. But I don't see the Pacers sitting

1720
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:05,439
Speaker 1: around saying over and over, well, you know, we're assessing this,

1721
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:09,160
Speaker 1: because no, they know the situation. Now, if if next

1722
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:12,360
Speaker 1: year there's six and thirty again and they say, well

1723
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 1: it's because we had guys get hurt, then people are

1724
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:17,680
Speaker 1: gonna be upset about it. People aren't upset because the

1725
01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:20,559
Speaker 1: Colts just went on a seven game skid to close

1726
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:23,280
Speaker 1: out the year. People are upset because they did the

1727
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:26,160
Speaker 1: same thing they've been doing for nine years, and now

1728
01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:29,120
Speaker 1: they're trying to get fans to believe that they're doing

1729
01:42:29,160 --> 01:42:33,280
Speaker 1: it a different way. Scott Agnus joins us now Java

1730
01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:36,800
Speaker 1: House peeling poor guest line. Scott, I'll begin with this,

1731
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:39,759
Speaker 1: Tony Bradley. Yesterday we found out waved by the Pacers.

1732
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:40,680
Speaker 1: Did that surprise you?

1733
01:42:42,040 --> 01:42:44,960
Speaker 8: It did not, Jake, because the upcoming deadline, he'd have

1734
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:47,960
Speaker 8: to be waived by tomorrow or else his contract is

1735
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:51,320
Speaker 8: guaranteed for the rest of the season. Before this move, Jake,

1736
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:54,040
Speaker 8: they had no available roster spots, not a ton of

1737
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:57,559
Speaker 8: cash to work with. This gives them greater flexibility should

1738
01:42:57,600 --> 01:42:59,439
Speaker 8: the front office choose to do something here at the

1739
01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:00,920
Speaker 8: trade deadlae line over the next month.

1740
01:43:01,280 --> 01:43:05,720
Speaker 1: Okay, when you talk about that move itself, and I

1741
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:07,519
Speaker 1: know we're talking about a guy in Tony Bradley that

1742
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:10,519
Speaker 1: was never although he did get minutes for them in

1743
01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:13,280
Speaker 1: the playoffs. I think they liked his rebounding. He was

1744
01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:16,160
Speaker 1: not a mainline player. I get that. But when you

1745
01:43:16,240 --> 01:43:18,439
Speaker 1: say that it didn't surprise you because the deadline was

1746
01:43:18,479 --> 01:43:22,479
Speaker 1: coming up anyway. This is because they are overware. In

1747
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:24,960
Speaker 1: other words, what was the reason why they had to

1748
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:25,400
Speaker 1: make room.

1749
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:32,080
Speaker 8: They do not necessarily, but it gives you remember last

1750
01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:34,720
Speaker 8: year they decided to make some trades and ultimately they

1751
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:38,599
Speaker 8: had to guarantee I think James they had already guaranteed

1752
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:42,479
Speaker 8: James Wiseman's contract, then they had to move on from that. Basically,

1753
01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:46,880
Speaker 8: it's a situation here where one you're not sure if

1754
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:49,360
Speaker 8: Tony Bradley's for sure a part of your rotation anyway.

1755
01:43:49,439 --> 01:43:51,120
Speaker 8: Right now he's kind of had to be because of

1756
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:54,960
Speaker 8: injuries and not having a stable position there at center spot.

1757
01:43:55,400 --> 01:43:58,479
Speaker 8: But more to the point here is it allows you

1758
01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:00,960
Speaker 8: to figure out what you want to do at the

1759
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:03,720
Speaker 8: trade deadline without locking in his contract. You can still

1760
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:05,720
Speaker 8: bring him back later in the year. You could bring

1761
01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:09,680
Speaker 8: him back as soon as he clears waivers. So I

1762
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:12,120
Speaker 8: think this is an opportune move for a guy that

1763
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:15,840
Speaker 8: is down your depth chart, who's not completely healthy with

1764
01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:18,560
Speaker 8: a fracture to the tip of his right thumb, and

1765
01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:21,800
Speaker 8: right now Pacers have to do everything to position themselves

1766
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:23,479
Speaker 8: to potentially make moves.

1767
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:25,840
Speaker 1: In my opinion, Okay, let me ask you this. The

1768
01:44:25,960 --> 01:44:29,960
Speaker 1: situation with Ben Mathern thumb injury, and I'm not sure

1769
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:34,360
Speaker 1: how long he's going to be out, But does this

1770
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:38,600
Speaker 1: impact the trade value of Ben Mathen because I am convinced,

1771
01:44:39,080 --> 01:44:42,640
Speaker 1: Scott convinced. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but

1772
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:45,280
Speaker 1: I'm convinced the Pacers are going to try to move him.

1773
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:46,040
Speaker 1: Tell me I'm wrong.

1774
01:44:48,240 --> 01:44:51,400
Speaker 8: No, I don't think you're necessarily wrong here, because they

1775
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:55,080
Speaker 8: have to make a decision. It would be opportunistic for

1776
01:44:55,160 --> 01:44:57,439
Speaker 8: them to make a decision now if they have clarity

1777
01:44:57,520 --> 01:44:59,640
Speaker 8: on what they want to do, meaning are they going

1778
01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:01,479
Speaker 8: to be willing to pay him this summer? Now he

1779
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:05,120
Speaker 8: is a restricted free agent, which does allow the Pacers

1780
01:45:05,160 --> 01:45:07,720
Speaker 8: to match any other offer that is out there. Keep

1781
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:11,040
Speaker 8: that in mind, Yet, at the same time, you do

1782
01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:14,000
Speaker 8: the Pacers view him part of the future and does

1783
01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:16,720
Speaker 8: he fit in well? And is he happy? Does he

1784
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:18,720
Speaker 8: want to continue here? They have to factor all those

1785
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:22,080
Speaker 8: decisions in because what you don't want to do is

1786
01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:25,080
Speaker 8: lose him a lottery pick that you don't get many

1787
01:45:25,120 --> 01:45:28,280
Speaker 8: shots at for nothing. And if you choose not to

1788
01:45:28,360 --> 01:45:31,240
Speaker 8: match a deal this summer and you don't work with

1789
01:45:31,320 --> 01:45:33,280
Speaker 8: a partner, that's willing to do a sign and trade

1790
01:45:33,320 --> 01:45:36,360
Speaker 8: like Milwaukee and the Pacers did for Malcolm Brogden years ago,

1791
01:45:36,760 --> 01:45:39,000
Speaker 8: then you risk putting yourself in that spot, much like

1792
01:45:39,120 --> 01:45:42,200
Speaker 8: Miles Turner this summer. Now he was an unrestricted free agent,

1793
01:45:42,479 --> 01:45:44,879
Speaker 8: but the Pacers got nothing for him in free agency.

1794
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:47,960
Speaker 1: Do you believe the Pacers see I'm going to give

1795
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:49,680
Speaker 1: you a multiple choice here, Scott A.

1796
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:50,160
Speaker 4: B and C.

1797
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:53,280
Speaker 1: Scott Agnes, my guest Fieldhouse Files where you read his work,

1798
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:55,920
Speaker 1: Joba House, Peel and Board guest line where he is

1799
01:45:56,640 --> 01:46:01,040
Speaker 1: so the replacement for Miles Turner and you look at

1800
01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:04,880
Speaker 1: what an important piece he was to the Pacers offense

1801
01:46:05,200 --> 01:46:09,240
Speaker 1: during the NBA Finals and their playoff run the finals.

1802
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:11,640
Speaker 1: Perhaps you could say that it was not there and

1803
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:14,960
Speaker 1: that's what hurt them, But you get my point. Do

1804
01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:18,320
Speaker 1: you believe that the Pacers see Miles Turner's replacement as

1805
01:46:18,479 --> 01:46:22,960
Speaker 1: a currently on the roster B, someone they will acquire

1806
01:46:23,200 --> 01:46:25,479
Speaker 1: with the high pick that they're going to have, or

1807
01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:29,080
Speaker 1: C someone they acquire based on trade with.

1808
01:46:29,320 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 8: For Ben Mathern, I think it would oh with Ben

1809
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:35,360
Speaker 8: mad I thought you're going to say in the draft,

1810
01:46:37,479 --> 01:46:40,600
Speaker 8: so option A is on the roster B is they

1811
01:46:40,720 --> 01:46:43,240
Speaker 8: use the draft pick to draft the center. C Is

1812
01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:47,200
Speaker 8: they trade Matherin straight up for a center A CATCHA

1813
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:50,600
Speaker 8: I would say, sees the one that stands out to me.

1814
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 8: And obviously it would make sense because you would have

1815
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:57,760
Speaker 8: a lot of value with Matherin for sure, But I

1816
01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:00,439
Speaker 8: think a most likely area where they would to upgrade

1817
01:47:00,479 --> 01:47:04,080
Speaker 8: that position for a ready made team going into next year, Right, Jake,

1818
01:47:04,120 --> 01:47:05,960
Speaker 8: That's what we have to assume. Coming off last year,

1819
01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:09,240
Speaker 8: you get Halli Burton back after this achilles injury that

1820
01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:11,640
Speaker 8: he's now twenty six removed from. To me, you need

1821
01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:14,840
Speaker 8: an upgrade that's ready to go now versus you know,

1822
01:47:14,920 --> 01:47:17,720
Speaker 8: if you're drafting on you might take three or four years.

1823
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:20,040
Speaker 8: So I'm absolutely doing it via trade.

1824
01:47:20,120 --> 01:47:22,080
Speaker 1: I would say, because I have thought this and I

1825
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:27,040
Speaker 1: will until the draft, I mean until we know I'm

1826
01:47:27,120 --> 01:47:30,920
Speaker 1: convinced of this, Scott, I think the game plan. Now,

1827
01:47:31,320 --> 01:47:34,320
Speaker 1: you know, plans and execution of plans are two different things.

1828
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:37,799
Speaker 1: Takes two to tango, right. But I'm under the assumption

1829
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:42,840
Speaker 1: that the Pacers are looking at it saying we are

1830
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:46,280
Speaker 1: going to flip Benedict Mathern at the trade deadline for

1831
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:51,960
Speaker 1: a big for an athletic shop, blocking running big, and

1832
01:47:52,120 --> 01:47:56,280
Speaker 1: then in the draft we will use our selection, presumably

1833
01:47:56,320 --> 01:47:59,640
Speaker 1: a top five pick for a wing that comes off

1834
01:47:59,680 --> 01:48:02,320
Speaker 1: the bench for us allah the role last year of

1835
01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:06,320
Speaker 1: Benedict Mathern. And and then you bring back topping Nan

1836
01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:09,439
Speaker 1: nem Hard Halliburton, and you feel like you are as

1837
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:12,120
Speaker 1: close to you can as you can be to replicating

1838
01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:13,839
Speaker 1: running back what got you to the finals.

1839
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:17,080
Speaker 8: You agree, I think that seems reasonable. Yeah, for sure.

1840
01:48:17,439 --> 01:48:20,400
Speaker 8: The challenges obviously with the center spot and with Matherin,

1841
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:22,640
Speaker 8: you have to if you're trying to do that all

1842
01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:25,800
Speaker 8: in one, you have to ideally make sure you know,

1843
01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:28,000
Speaker 8: find that big and then see if that team would

1844
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:30,519
Speaker 8: covet and have the money to make it work. With

1845
01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:34,599
Speaker 8: Mathern in particular, which certainly complicates things. Although right now

1846
01:48:34,680 --> 01:48:38,479
Speaker 8: Matherin coming off his rookie deal much more affordable, but

1847
01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:41,559
Speaker 8: makes you wonder the player you're probably going to acquire

1848
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:43,920
Speaker 8: is getting paid much more than that right now, So

1849
01:48:44,040 --> 01:48:46,479
Speaker 8: that complicates a little bit if you focus on the

1850
01:48:46,520 --> 01:48:47,400
Speaker 8: Matheren aspect.

1851
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:51,400
Speaker 1: Now, do you do you think Matheren has trade value?

1852
01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:54,000
Speaker 1: I do absolutely.

1853
01:48:54,439 --> 01:48:57,040
Speaker 8: When healthy, He's a guy that can get you twenty

1854
01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:58,880
Speaker 8: points per game. He's a guy that gets to the

1855
01:48:58,920 --> 01:49:04,080
Speaker 8: free throw line. He's showed improvement, in my opinion, defensively

1856
01:49:04,520 --> 01:49:06,400
Speaker 8: this season, where I think the first year he just

1857
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:08,760
Speaker 8: didn't even take an interest in it because probably he's

1858
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:11,400
Speaker 8: never had to being the best guy on his team.

1859
01:49:11,960 --> 01:49:14,920
Speaker 8: Now it seems like he's doing what the coaching staff

1860
01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:17,800
Speaker 8: has been instructed to him defensively and even offensively in

1861
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:20,960
Speaker 8: talking about maybe attacking and setting up a teammate for

1862
01:49:21,120 --> 01:49:24,840
Speaker 8: the better shot, those sorts of things. What I'm most

1863
01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:27,439
Speaker 8: interested in Jake Gear is what it's going to cost

1864
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:34,360
Speaker 8: the team, because I would suggest it's probably much more

1865
01:49:34,439 --> 01:49:37,639
Speaker 8: affordable and probably under thirty million would be my guess

1866
01:49:38,120 --> 01:49:40,120
Speaker 8: going into this free agency. But you know, if you're

1867
01:49:40,160 --> 01:49:42,320
Speaker 8: the player, you're trying to max out all you can get,

1868
01:49:42,439 --> 01:49:46,240
Speaker 8: you're wanting a max type level deal ideally going into

1869
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:49,519
Speaker 8: your first shot at free agency here. And so that's

1870
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:52,200
Speaker 8: also then where the other side where Matherin and is represented,

1871
01:49:52,240 --> 01:49:55,320
Speaker 8: would have to have understanding of what's the pacers at

1872
01:49:55,760 --> 01:49:57,960
Speaker 8: and can they even afford you? Are they willing to

1873
01:49:58,040 --> 01:50:00,439
Speaker 8: go into the tax to then afford you. So there's

1874
01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:04,320
Speaker 8: a lot of elements in play here beyond just you know,

1875
01:50:04,680 --> 01:50:07,360
Speaker 8: is he healthy? What are are you willing to continue

1876
01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:09,400
Speaker 8: on with him? Do you want to? Can you make

1877
01:50:09,479 --> 01:50:12,120
Speaker 8: it work with your current financial situation? We talked about

1878
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:14,679
Speaker 8: the luxury tax with Miles. That will come into play

1879
01:50:14,720 --> 01:50:15,799
Speaker 8: with matherin Scott.

1880
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:18,759
Speaker 1: You like a Pinia Colada? You ever drink a Pina Colada?

1881
01:50:19,439 --> 01:50:21,720
Speaker 1: I have, yes, I like a Pinia colada, right, I

1882
01:50:21,800 --> 01:50:23,479
Speaker 1: mean some people like you order a Penia colada, they

1883
01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:24,960
Speaker 1: look at you funny. But if you're you know, you're

1884
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:27,360
Speaker 1: in Florida, you're on the beach. You know that the

1885
01:50:27,400 --> 01:50:30,200
Speaker 1: elements are Pinia colada is great. Right, it's refreshing, taste good.

1886
01:50:30,240 --> 01:50:33,120
Speaker 1: I love that coconut taste. Uh. It feels to me

1887
01:50:34,920 --> 01:50:39,599
Speaker 1: like Ben Mathern is rum. If you're making a pina colada,

1888
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:43,559
Speaker 1: it's an incredibly important ingredient. And everybody likes rum. Who

1889
01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:46,840
Speaker 1: doesn't like rum? Rum's great? But the pacers offense is

1890
01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:50,040
Speaker 1: an old fashion and an old fashion doesn't require rum.

1891
01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:52,760
Speaker 1: But if the old fashion is out and you got

1892
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:54,479
Speaker 1: to go to the Pinia kalada, fine, you're glad you

1893
01:50:54,520 --> 01:50:57,200
Speaker 1: have the rum around, but it's not. In other words,

1894
01:50:57,280 --> 01:51:00,880
Speaker 1: his style of play to me and where he benefits you.

1895
01:51:02,360 --> 01:51:05,320
Speaker 1: Is an ingredient in a cocktail that is different than

1896
01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:09,200
Speaker 1: the priority cocktail of the pacers. Is that overstating it?

1897
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:12,880
Speaker 8: No, I think that's that's really good. I was going

1898
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:16,040
Speaker 8: in a different direction in that I only really crave

1899
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:18,080
Speaker 8: a pinacolada when you're on the beach down in Florida,

1900
01:51:18,439 --> 01:51:20,120
Speaker 8: and so if you're in the right setting, with the

1901
01:51:20,200 --> 01:51:24,800
Speaker 8: right situation, you crave that. I think both were can

1902
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:27,920
Speaker 8: just find there. Yeah, I think that's a situation and

1903
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:30,960
Speaker 8: a consideration I think this team has had to have

1904
01:51:31,160 --> 01:51:34,040
Speaker 8: since they've drafted him, and because how much do you

1905
01:51:34,280 --> 01:51:37,720
Speaker 8: force a player to fit within your flow, yet at

1906
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:41,360
Speaker 8: the same time you want to maximize their playing style

1907
01:51:41,439 --> 01:51:44,840
Speaker 8: and maximize their game and let them be them now.

1908
01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:47,439
Speaker 8: I think part of that has to be earned, certainly,

1909
01:51:47,520 --> 01:51:49,720
Speaker 8: and Matheren hadn't made it an All Star appearance. He's

1910
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:52,919
Speaker 8: done a Rising Stars, but that's more of a status

1911
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:55,479
Speaker 8: that you reach when you're in all NBA All Star

1912
01:51:55,600 --> 01:52:00,640
Speaker 8: type talent. He's not there, certainly, not yet. And these

1913
01:52:00,680 --> 01:52:02,920
Speaker 8: are all discussions that that front office has to be

1914
01:52:03,040 --> 01:52:05,519
Speaker 8: having here, led by I think Rick Carlisle, who's the

1915
01:52:05,560 --> 01:52:08,280
Speaker 8: one deciding win and how much to play him, and

1916
01:52:08,680 --> 01:52:13,120
Speaker 8: this season was pivotal here, or is pivotal because he

1917
01:52:13,240 --> 01:52:15,280
Speaker 8: has that starting role, and that's been one of the

1918
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:17,759
Speaker 8: big conversations. Can he do it in the starting lineup?

1919
01:52:17,800 --> 01:52:19,640
Speaker 8: Does he have to come off the bench? Can he

1920
01:52:19,720 --> 01:52:22,240
Speaker 8: replicate the same thing like he's done off the bench,

1921
01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:25,040
Speaker 8: And so at least they're getting more answers there. But

1922
01:52:25,560 --> 01:52:27,800
Speaker 8: this turf toe, let's be honest here, this is going

1923
01:52:27,880 --> 01:52:30,519
Speaker 8: to bother him. I believe the rest of the season.

1924
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:32,920
Speaker 8: It's something you didn't need to take months off. We

1925
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:36,439
Speaker 8: saw Miles Turner deal with something similar Jake, and it

1926
01:52:36,560 --> 01:52:38,360
Speaker 8: was a time when the Pacers were rebuilding, so he

1927
01:52:38,479 --> 01:52:40,599
Speaker 8: took he didn't play the final month and a half

1928
01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:43,240
Speaker 8: of the season whatever that was three years ago. And

1929
01:52:43,320 --> 01:52:45,160
Speaker 8: then this right thumb thing. This is something he's been

1930
01:52:45,200 --> 01:52:47,439
Speaker 8: dealing with for about a month at least to my knowledge,

1931
01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:50,200
Speaker 8: and so that's in large part while why his numbers

1932
01:52:50,240 --> 01:52:52,639
Speaker 8: are down. And so I do appreciate in this down

1933
01:52:52,720 --> 01:52:56,120
Speaker 8: year that they are giving him now time to get healthy,

1934
01:52:56,200 --> 01:52:58,400
Speaker 8: because that's got to be that's got to be the

1935
01:52:58,520 --> 01:53:01,000
Speaker 8: number one priority here in a retooling year.

1936
01:53:01,160 --> 01:53:03,599
Speaker 1: Scott, did you go to the Rose Bowl? I did, yes,

1937
01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:07,240
Speaker 1: thoughts impressions. I know the weather wasn't great, but it

1938
01:53:07,320 --> 01:53:09,360
Speaker 1: cleared up at least by the time. You know, you've

1939
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:13,479
Speaker 1: been to Pasadena before. I'm sure. But I saw seventy

1940
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:17,000
Speaker 1: two thousand were there, which would mean eighty percent Indiana fans.

1941
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:19,519
Speaker 1: As that seemed like a high number. Does that seem accurate?

1942
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:22,280
Speaker 8: I thought I saw them announced ninety thousand. I could no, No,

1943
01:53:22,600 --> 01:53:26,840
Speaker 8: seventy two thousand from Indiana. Oh yeah, that's probably right.

1944
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:30,360
Speaker 8: I would I've said all along about seventy five percent rough, Okay,

1945
01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:33,599
Speaker 8: so that's right there. It was hard to tell, except

1946
01:53:33,640 --> 01:53:35,360
Speaker 8: what really helped, I will say is in the fourth

1947
01:53:35,439 --> 01:53:40,160
Speaker 8: quarter when those Alabama fans started leaving. And then you know,

1948
01:53:40,240 --> 01:53:42,800
Speaker 8: I had a friend that's worked those games for many

1949
01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:45,519
Speaker 8: years now, and she was like, y know, our producers

1950
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:47,920
Speaker 8: were saying, we've never seen this many fans stay for

1951
01:53:48,040 --> 01:53:51,599
Speaker 8: the postgame ceremony. Nobody none of the IU fans left

1952
01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:51,880
Speaker 8: at all.

1953
01:53:52,120 --> 01:53:54,640
Speaker 1: Well, Indiana fans didn't know that you're supposed to leave

1954
01:53:54,640 --> 01:53:56,360
Speaker 1: before the post game because they've never been involved in

1955
01:53:56,400 --> 01:53:58,800
Speaker 1: that before. Right, there's no dress rehearsal. So then all

1956
01:53:58,840 --> 01:54:00,960
Speaker 1: I ah, I stick around, Okay, let me ask you

1957
01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:03,800
Speaker 1: this a couple of things. Number one, Alabama fans cool,

1958
01:54:03,880 --> 01:54:09,120
Speaker 1: not cool, not around. I had no interaction with Alabama fans,

1959
01:54:09,160 --> 01:54:09,920
Speaker 1: so I have no opinion.

1960
01:54:10,160 --> 01:54:15,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, I will say walking around downtown LA beforehand and

1961
01:54:15,439 --> 01:54:18,719
Speaker 8: then Pasadena both on the day after as well, because

1962
01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:20,719
Speaker 8: made a point to get back up there. I learned

1963
01:54:20,720 --> 01:54:22,120
Speaker 8: all this here in the last week. But they have

1964
01:54:22,200 --> 01:54:25,200
Speaker 8: this thing called Floatfest, and all the floats are stationary,

1965
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:27,240
Speaker 8: but they're on display, so if you didn't see them

1966
01:54:27,280 --> 01:54:30,760
Speaker 8: on the therefore the parade, you can go and see

1967
01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:33,720
Speaker 8: them the next day there. I had no interaction with

1968
01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:36,600
Speaker 8: Alabama fans. That's how dominant it was as we all

1969
01:54:36,680 --> 01:54:39,760
Speaker 8: predicted going into this weekend for IU fans.

1970
01:54:39,800 --> 01:54:44,360
Speaker 1: Okay. Secondly, this was the first or repeated or return

1971
01:54:44,640 --> 01:54:46,800
Speaker 1: trip to the Rose Bowl for you. And I don't

1972
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:48,160
Speaker 1: mean the bowl game. I mean the stadium.

1973
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:51,760
Speaker 8: First time to Pasadena, first time to the Rose Bowl.

1974
01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:55,200
Speaker 1: Okay, my experience at the Rose Bowl. And I talked

1975
01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:56,760
Speaker 1: about this on the radio, so I want you to

1976
01:54:56,840 --> 01:54:59,240
Speaker 1: basically tell me if I'm off my rocker and gave

1977
01:54:59,240 --> 01:55:02,800
Speaker 1: people bad advice. I said, it's a fabulous venue, it's historic,

1978
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:05,920
Speaker 1: it's beautiful, it's iconic all of that, it's terribly uncomfortable.

1979
01:55:07,320 --> 01:55:10,040
Speaker 8: Comfortable in terms of what seats like.

1980
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:12,320
Speaker 1: The seats are made for everybody to be five foot

1981
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:13,720
Speaker 1: nine and one hundred and five pounds.

1982
01:55:14,760 --> 01:55:16,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's a little bit of that, although I will say,

1983
01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:19,120
Speaker 8: if you're not in the end zone, you have chair

1984
01:55:19,200 --> 01:55:22,400
Speaker 8: back seats, which I didn't realize here till leading into it.

1985
01:55:22,520 --> 01:55:24,560
Speaker 8: I thought it was kind of like Notre Dame where

1986
01:55:24,640 --> 01:55:27,320
Speaker 8: it was just, you know, flat and you better take

1987
01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:31,040
Speaker 8: a cushion. Yeah, it has that old school feel with

1988
01:55:31,440 --> 01:55:34,600
Speaker 8: smaller dimensions to me, and this is known going into

1989
01:55:34,680 --> 01:55:37,720
Speaker 8: it is the biggest issue is getting in, but especially

1990
01:55:37,800 --> 01:55:41,280
Speaker 8: getting out. Jacob. We interacted with this old couple I

1991
01:55:41,360 --> 01:55:45,320
Speaker 8: mean must have been eighty years old and they this

1992
01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:47,840
Speaker 8: was after a day after but they were in line

1993
01:55:47,880 --> 01:55:50,800
Speaker 8: along with all of us for the shuttle where they

1994
01:55:50,920 --> 01:55:52,440
Speaker 8: heard it's going to be at least an hour till

1995
01:55:52,440 --> 01:55:54,000
Speaker 8: you get even to the front of the line to

1996
01:55:54,080 --> 01:55:56,280
Speaker 8: get on the bus, or you can go right here.

1997
01:55:56,360 --> 01:55:59,000
Speaker 8: It's a mile and a half walk. They did the walk,

1998
01:55:59,240 --> 01:56:02,320
Speaker 8: they got lost, there's no one around, it's dark. Fortunately,

1999
01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:04,520
Speaker 8: some local couple picked them up and dropped them off

2000
01:56:05,080 --> 01:56:07,879
Speaker 8: at a local station. But the only issue, only complaint

2001
01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:10,680
Speaker 8: I have, and it was known, is it is terrible

2002
01:56:10,760 --> 01:56:12,560
Speaker 8: getting in and out, and so it took about two

2003
01:56:12,600 --> 01:56:13,320
Speaker 8: hours to get back.

2004
01:56:13,480 --> 01:56:15,800
Speaker 1: I mean it's in a beautiful neighborhood, which is the

2005
01:56:15,880 --> 01:56:18,040
Speaker 1: one saving grace there, right, So it's not like it's

2006
01:56:18,080 --> 01:56:20,440
Speaker 1: in a dangerous part of town. But it is the

2007
01:56:20,520 --> 01:56:22,800
Speaker 1: one thing about California to me that's so weird is

2008
01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:25,720
Speaker 1: how dark it gets. Like I know, they just don't

2009
01:56:25,720 --> 01:56:27,400
Speaker 1: have the street lights whatever else. Then you know they

2010
01:56:27,400 --> 01:56:29,240
Speaker 1: are all saving energies out there. They're granolas, But I

2011
01:56:29,280 --> 01:56:31,680
Speaker 1: mean I gas when it gets dark, man, it is

2012
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:34,800
Speaker 1: dark all right. Pacers caps tonight, Gambridge, field House, field

2013
01:56:34,840 --> 01:56:37,480
Speaker 1: House files where Scott Agnes will have all of the coverage.

2014
01:56:37,640 --> 01:56:38,920
Speaker 1: Appreciate it, Scott, Happy new.

2015
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:40,280
Speaker 8: Year, Happy new Year, Jake.

2016
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:43,000
Speaker 1: Thanks again Scott Agnes joining us on the program. If

2017
01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:45,600
Speaker 1: you are just joining us on the show, where have

2018
01:56:45,640 --> 01:56:49,720
Speaker 1: you been? Thank you? Eddie. The owners of the Indianapolis

2019
01:56:49,800 --> 01:56:54,280
Speaker 1: Colts all three ur said daughters issuing a statement today

2020
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:57,640
Speaker 1: that basically was a statement of summary of what was

2021
01:56:57,720 --> 01:57:01,120
Speaker 1: said yesterday. And I think that to me is the

2022
01:57:01,200 --> 01:57:12,960
Speaker 1: part that is the most peculiar because unless they felt

2023
01:57:13,120 --> 01:57:19,240
Speaker 1: like that press conference just didn't stick. And certainly if

2024
01:57:19,320 --> 01:57:22,640
Speaker 1: they read the comments and listened to the radio or

2025
01:57:22,760 --> 01:57:29,120
Speaker 1: looked on social media, it didn't stick. You know what

2026
01:57:29,200 --> 01:57:32,880
Speaker 1: I mean, simply didn't stick. Hey, Jake, this is from Mark.

2027
01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:36,600
Speaker 1: Somebody once told me hope is not a strategy. Before

2028
01:57:36,680 --> 01:57:39,960
Speaker 1: this past season, we had not much confidence in Richardson

2029
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:42,360
Speaker 1: as our Colts quarterback, which is why the Colts went

2030
01:57:42,520 --> 01:57:45,240
Speaker 1: looking and settled on Daniel Jones, who had a less

2031
01:57:45,280 --> 01:57:48,320
Speaker 1: than stellar resume, and at the time, the discussion was

2032
01:57:48,360 --> 01:57:50,600
Speaker 1: that Jones would be competing for the job, not projected

2033
01:57:50,640 --> 01:57:53,680
Speaker 1: as a starter. Did anyone, including Ballard know that Daniel

2034
01:57:53,720 --> 01:57:56,160
Speaker 1: Jones would morph into what he did? I think not.

2035
01:57:56,960 --> 01:58:00,280
Speaker 1: The Colts got fortunate with Daniel Jones. I war at

2036
01:58:00,320 --> 01:58:02,520
Speaker 1: the Colts looking for a quarterback when Richardson got hurt

2037
01:58:02,560 --> 01:58:05,040
Speaker 1: the first time when he was running the ball I

2038
01:58:05,200 --> 01:58:07,520
Speaker 1: understand that some picks work out better than expected, like

2039
01:58:07,600 --> 01:58:10,120
Speaker 1: Brock Purdy, but someone on the forty nine Ers staff

2040
01:58:10,320 --> 01:58:12,840
Speaker 1: had to have known that he was worth drafting. Have

2041
01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:15,480
Speaker 1: we heard from anyone on the Colt staff that they

2042
01:58:15,560 --> 01:58:18,360
Speaker 1: believe in Riley Leonard being a year older who was

2043
01:58:18,440 --> 01:58:21,000
Speaker 1: taken in Round six in twenty twenty five. I think

2044
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:24,400
Speaker 1: they believe in Riley Leonard as the backup because they

2045
01:58:24,480 --> 01:58:30,640
Speaker 1: believe in Daniel Jones. And that's the thing. Thank you

2046
01:58:30,720 --> 01:58:35,440
Speaker 1: for the text. Mark. The question is are you hoping

2047
01:58:35,800 --> 01:58:40,520
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is for the future what we saw through

2048
01:58:40,640 --> 01:58:45,960
Speaker 1: the first ten games because or pre injury. I go

2049
01:58:46,120 --> 01:58:51,920
Speaker 1: back to he was phenomenal Daniel Jones, and I'm calling

2050
01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:55,040
Speaker 1: for the guy. Daniel Jones was effective.

2051
01:58:55,600 --> 01:58:56,080
Speaker 4: He was.

2052
01:58:58,120 --> 01:59:02,959
Speaker 1: Seemingly an extension of Shane Steichen and what Stikeen had designed,

2053
01:59:03,160 --> 01:59:06,040
Speaker 1: and for Shane Steichen to be a quarterback whisperer, I

2054
01:59:06,120 --> 01:59:09,960
Speaker 1: think we saw it with Daniel Jones. Now it's a

2055
01:59:10,000 --> 01:59:12,440
Speaker 1: little peculiar to me, and we haven't gotten into this

2056
01:59:12,520 --> 01:59:14,360
Speaker 1: a lot because it's kind of watered under the bridge.

2057
01:59:15,760 --> 01:59:20,520
Speaker 1: But the way that Riley Leonard looked, and I know

2058
01:59:20,640 --> 01:59:22,760
Speaker 1: the second half he was going against third stringers, I

2059
01:59:22,920 --> 01:59:24,960
Speaker 1: get it. But even in the first half at that

2060
01:59:25,120 --> 01:59:28,920
Speaker 1: time when Texans, when the Houston Texans were seemingly going

2061
01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:30,320
Speaker 1: into a game knowing they had to get a win

2062
01:59:31,960 --> 01:59:34,120
Speaker 1: by halftime, they knew the Jacksonville result and so it

2063
01:59:34,200 --> 01:59:36,720
Speaker 1: was a moot point. But Houston going into that game

2064
01:59:37,760 --> 01:59:43,000
Speaker 1: seemingly was all pushed in and Riley Leonard looked pretty effective,

2065
01:59:44,080 --> 01:59:47,600
Speaker 1: which makes you wonder. And Philip Rivers was not the

2066
01:59:47,720 --> 01:59:51,240
Speaker 1: reason that the Colts lost the games they did. It

2067
01:59:51,360 --> 01:59:54,240
Speaker 1: was the defense against San Francisco and it was just

2068
01:59:54,320 --> 01:59:57,160
Speaker 1: kind of quirky stuff against Seattle. So Philip Burs wasn't

2069
01:59:57,160 --> 01:59:59,160
Speaker 1: the problem. Don't get me wrong there. But what I'm

2070
01:59:59,200 --> 02:00:02,240
Speaker 1: saying is, if you have a guy that did show

2071
02:00:02,320 --> 02:00:05,040
Speaker 1: you something, that was drafted and is on your roster

2072
02:00:05,200 --> 02:00:09,040
Speaker 1: and more importantly, is part of your future plan, and

2073
02:00:09,200 --> 02:00:11,960
Speaker 1: yet you weren't confident putting him in a game that mattered,

2074
02:00:13,280 --> 02:00:15,520
Speaker 1: then what gives you the confidence that you have the

2075
02:00:15,680 --> 02:00:20,400
Speaker 1: ability to see talent and develop it. But maybe that

2076
02:00:20,520 --> 02:00:23,440
Speaker 1: did awaken him enough where they say, Okay, Riley Leonard

2077
02:00:23,560 --> 02:00:25,120
Speaker 1: is not the guy that is going to be a

2078
02:00:25,240 --> 02:00:27,680
Speaker 1: starting quarterback for us in the future, but he is

2079
02:00:27,800 --> 02:00:30,240
Speaker 1: a guy that we can use as a depth piece

2080
02:00:30,800 --> 02:00:34,800
Speaker 1: moving forward, and that makes Richardson even that much more expendable. Now,

2081
02:00:35,280 --> 02:00:38,720
Speaker 1: if Daniel Jones is not able to play effectively in

2082
02:00:38,840 --> 02:00:43,000
Speaker 1: week one or two, does Riley Leonard become your short

2083
02:00:43,120 --> 02:00:47,520
Speaker 1: term starter or do you wait? And I believe this

2084
02:00:47,600 --> 02:00:51,120
Speaker 1: will happen. Do you wait until the end of the

2085
02:00:51,200 --> 02:00:56,280
Speaker 1: training camps for a quarterback release and then you sign

2086
02:00:56,360 --> 02:01:01,120
Speaker 1: yourself a Jake Browning, a Joe Flacco, you know somebody

2087
02:01:01,200 --> 02:01:06,200
Speaker 1: that's an eleventh hour release that has NFL multiple games

2088
02:01:06,320 --> 02:01:11,520
Speaker 1: start experience and is the football equivalent of Micah Potter

2089
02:01:11,640 --> 02:01:15,560
Speaker 1: for the Pacers, Garrison Matthews for the Pacers, a guy

2090
02:01:15,640 --> 02:01:17,320
Speaker 1: that you know is a short term rental. But you

2091
02:01:17,400 --> 02:01:21,680
Speaker 1: put him in there, and then you have Leonard simply

2092
02:01:21,880 --> 02:01:27,120
Speaker 1: as your end of game quarterback or your mid season,

2093
02:01:27,360 --> 02:01:31,880
Speaker 1: one game, donut tire quarterback, or you continue to have

2094
02:01:32,160 --> 02:01:34,720
Speaker 1: Leonard as say, your emergency quarterback, et cetera, while you

2095
02:01:34,840 --> 02:01:36,800
Speaker 1: allow him to develop and because you're still not ready

2096
02:01:36,840 --> 02:01:41,080
Speaker 1: for him to be the consistent number two. Jamv's in

2097
02:01:41,120 --> 02:01:42,880
Speaker 1: the building. We'll find out what he's got going on.

2098
02:01:43,000 --> 02:01:44,640
Speaker 1: We'll do it as part of the crossover, brought to

2099
02:01:44,640 --> 02:01:46,720
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2100
02:01:46,800 --> 02:01:49,560
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2101
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Speaker 1: one the telephone number for that quick show announce. But

2102
02:01:52,320 --> 02:01:54,200
Speaker 1: I want to let you know Thursday I mentioned Anthony

2103
02:01:54,240 --> 02:01:57,000
Speaker 1: Thompson will join us one o'clock. Former IU great and

2104
02:01:57,080 --> 02:01:59,480
Speaker 1: also work in the athletic department. That will be on Thursday,

2105
02:01:59,560 --> 02:02:02,360
Speaker 1: Dave REDV On Friday it as we really ramp up

2106
02:02:02,440 --> 02:02:06,360
Speaker 1: kind of our pregame coverage for Indiana. Also on Thursday

2107
02:02:06,520 --> 02:02:10,960
Speaker 1: from five until seven albeit Axles Garage on Carrollton nine

2108
02:02:11,040 --> 02:02:12,600
Speaker 1: hundred north or nine oh one I believe it is

2109
02:02:12,640 --> 02:02:15,120
Speaker 1: North Carrollton but over off mass Have as part of

2110
02:02:15,200 --> 02:02:18,240
Speaker 1: our mic Ultra Mini Hoops Challenge, would love to see you.

2111
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2112
02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:23,760
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2114
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2116
02:02:31,640 --> 02:02:35,200
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2117
02:02:35,240 --> 02:02:37,960
Speaker 1: to Milwaukee to see the Blue and Gold and the

2118
02:02:38,080 --> 02:02:43,800
Speaker 1: Bucks coming up in February courtesy of Micultra. You know,

2119
02:02:43,960 --> 02:02:50,920
Speaker 1: there's always been the urban legend that zz Top was

2120
02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:55,400
Speaker 1: named after two brands of rolling papers, Zigzag and Top Papers.

2121
02:02:57,120 --> 02:02:58,840
Speaker 1: I have no idea if that's true or not. I

2122
02:02:58,880 --> 02:03:02,560
Speaker 1: think it's probably not true. I think it's been debunked,

2123
02:03:02,760 --> 02:03:08,840
Speaker 1: but I've always enjoyed that urban legend. Hey, Jake, this

2124
02:03:09,000 --> 02:03:13,280
Speaker 1: from Joe White. Do you know if Carli Ursay Gordon

2125
02:03:13,400 --> 02:03:16,400
Speaker 1: obviously married has And by the way, I did see

2126
02:03:16,440 --> 02:03:18,840
Speaker 1: somebody that said that carl Ursay is only there because

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Speaker 1: she married into money. I mean, even if you're somebody

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Speaker 1: that people expects to say dumb things like research a

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Speaker 1: little bit before you say something that's stupid. She is

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Speaker 1: the daughter, not the not that it matters, but she

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Speaker 1: didn't marry into money. Jake, do you know if Carli

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Speaker 1: Ersay Gordon has a relationship with a football guy that

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Speaker 1: she can confide in, bounce ideas off of, get advice from.

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Speaker 1: And by relationship I realize he means like a trusted

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Speaker 1: personal friendship, business relationship. Yeah, she works in a building

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Speaker 1: of them. I mean honestly, and I get what Joe's asking,

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if outside of it's a very

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Speaker 1: fair question of you know, is there somebody that a

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Speaker 1: close friend of her father's, you know, maybe like a

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Speaker 1: Tony Dungeee. I would imagine Tony Dungee as somebody that

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Speaker 1: she could call. That's the first name that came to mind.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea what her relationship was you know

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Speaker 1: one thing about her Bill Poullion, Yeah, another name that

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Speaker 1: you would think that she you know someone like that, right?

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Speaker 1: She strikes me as and I don't know her. None

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Speaker 1: of us do, which is why yesterday's press conference I

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Speaker 1: thought was so important and I felt bad for her

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Speaker 1: in this sense. You can have all the money in

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Speaker 1: the world, you can have all the you know, expertise

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Speaker 1: on any line of work in the world, but speaking

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Speaker 1: in front of people is hard. My number one fear

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Speaker 1: in life is public speed. My number one fear. I

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Speaker 1: I get up before and I've had to do it

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Speaker 1: many a time. Am seeing events or doing you know,

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Speaker 1: things like that.

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Speaker 7: I it.

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Speaker 1: I don't sleep the night before, but I speak for

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Speaker 1: a little sleep. Huh. You sleep from fair fair point.

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Speaker 1: But I and I did not sleep well at all

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Speaker 1: on Sunday night. It was awful. But what I'm getting

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Speaker 1: at is, you know, the the reality being that most people,

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Speaker 1: that's a very nerve racking situation and she's not used

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Speaker 1: to doing that. And I did feel bad because I

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Speaker 1: think she was in that situation pretty nervous. You know,

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Speaker 1: you noticed how many times with almost every question she

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Speaker 1: asked for the question to be repeated or for it

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Speaker 1: to be clarified. And I think it's because it did

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Speaker 1: kind of feel like a presidential debate where you knew

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Speaker 1: that the person up there had rehearsed or been going

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Speaker 1: over like what answers they're supposed to give in the situation,

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Speaker 1: and it kind of felt like she was going through

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Speaker 1: it trying to anticipate what answers she was supposed to

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Speaker 1: give in that situation. And I just don't think that

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Speaker 1: any of it stuck with people. People were wanting an

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Speaker 1: explanation that made them feel better about why Chris Ballard

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Speaker 1: is being brought back. And I am all for giving

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Speaker 1: people the proper length of time to let stuff develop.

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Speaker 1: I am all for or benefit of doubt. I'm all

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Speaker 1: for second chances. This is the same thing over and

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Speaker 1: over again, for like the fifth time, honestly. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know that Andrew luck retired, Okay, great, fine, Even

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Speaker 1: with that, You go out and you select Carson Wentz

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't work out, and so you get another

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Speaker 1: opportunity and you go with and I don't even hell,

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Speaker 1: it's been so many quarterbacks, I don't remember the order

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Speaker 1: of them. You go with Philip Rivers, and you thought

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Speaker 1: you were gonna get two years and you only get one,

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Speaker 1: even though you got the second one like six years later,

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Speaker 1: for a third of it, you go with. You know,

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Speaker 1: the Matt Ryan one might be the most egregious of

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Speaker 1: all because if you recall they signed Matt Ryan. Can

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Speaker 1: you look up Eddie the eight that they of when

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Speaker 1: they announced they were signing Matt Ryan. I mean it

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Speaker 1: had to have been if if the training came, if

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Speaker 1: they reported to camp in like late July August, they

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Speaker 1: had to have signed Matt Ryan in like April or May.

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Speaker 1: I mean it literally you were thinking what is going

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Speaker 1: to happen here? And then it just fell into their

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Speaker 1: lap and Matt Ryan comes out, and then you realized,

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Speaker 1: oh gosh, there was a very clear and definitive reason

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Speaker 1: why this guy was available. He has cooked, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he was done done.

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Speaker 6: So they had the introductory press conference of March twenty seconds.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I look how long after he was signed

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Speaker 1: A month before that in April? A month after you mean,

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Speaker 1: oh you said so may so may he was signing

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Speaker 1: may hold on either way. My point being, it was

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Speaker 1: literally like they'd gone through the That's my point, they'd

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Speaker 1: gone through the draft they'd gone through and it was

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Speaker 1: like they still don't have a quarterback, and then they

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Speaker 1: ended up Matt Ryan was like this miracle thing. And

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Speaker 1: we can sit here and say, as people said to

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Speaker 1: me with Richardson, the most important draft pick that you

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Speaker 1: had to make was Anthony Richardson. The most important, the

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Speaker 1: most important thing that you had to do was get

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Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. The most important thing of any general manager,

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Speaker 1: if it's on their timeline, is if they have to

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Speaker 1: select a franchise quarterback. And they kicked the can and

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Speaker 1: they went with Matt Ryan, and they went with Philip Rivers,

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Speaker 1: and they went with all these veterans, and they did

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Speaker 1: things like trading away a first round pick for the

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Speaker 1: Forrest Buckner. Very good player, don't get me wrong, very

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Speaker 1: good player played in a playoff game right in his

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Speaker 1: time in Indianapolis, which may not be coming to an end.

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Speaker 1: But that year when they traded that first pick, could

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Speaker 1: have used that on Justin Herbert. That would have been nice, right,

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Speaker 1: didn't like Jordan Love. Didn't like Jordan Love. Sam Bradford.

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Speaker 1: When Sam Bradford was it Detroit, Chris Ballard's like if

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Speaker 1: Sam Bradford's great, Why like, why did he win more

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Speaker 1: games in Detroit? Kept kicking the can on the quarterback

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Speaker 1: and then when it came down to it, yes, you

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Speaker 1: could sit here and say, well, yeah, but when he

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Speaker 1: selected Anthony Richardson, only Will Levis was available, you make availability.

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Speaker 1: The Houston Texans are getting ready to go into the

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Speaker 1: playoffs as a sneaky AFC favorite, perhaps with a stud

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Speaker 1: defense and a good quarterback. Maybe not great, but a

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Speaker 1: good solid quarterback in CJ. Stroud, ball placement specialist by

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Speaker 1: his own terms. And CJ. Stroud was available. Because the

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Speaker 1: Houston Texans traded with Arizona and moved up. They made

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Speaker 1: their own fate, They made their own destiny. They sought

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Speaker 1: it out. They were proactive, and the cults are always

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Speaker 1: too late reactive, And every single thing that Chris Ballard

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Speaker 1: has been in charge of, more often than not, he's

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Speaker 1: had to then go and do a make good on

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Speaker 1: it and be reactive. Had to react to Josh McDaniel's

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Speaker 1: backing out of the job, had to react to Philip

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Speaker 1: Rivers not giving them a second year. Had to react

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Speaker 1: to Matt Ryan not being able to play, had to

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Speaker 1: react to Daniel Jones going down, which again. I understand

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Speaker 1: that this year the season might have been derailed by that,

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Speaker 1: but you can't pin that as your excuse when you

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Speaker 1: told me at the other book end of your career

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Speaker 1: that a team is about more than one player. If

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Speaker 1: a team is about more than one player when it

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Speaker 1: comes to success, you can't pin the failure of a

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Speaker 1: team on one player going down. That's my thing. And

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Speaker 1: I think people now have been sold the same bill

2258
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Speaker 1: of goods, the same bs, They've been smelling the same smoke,

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Speaker 1: and finally learned this saint barbecue in the backyard. It's

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Speaker 1: an incense stick. And people in this town are smarter

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Speaker 1: than that. They finally now are over it because they've

2262
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Speaker 1: been hearing the same excuse every single year. And the

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Speaker 1: definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and

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Speaker 1: over and expecting a different result. And it just feels

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Speaker 1: like I hope I'm wrong, and I will absolutely stand

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Speaker 1: from the mountaintops. We don't have mountains in Indiana, but

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Speaker 1: if we did, if you're drive and you're looking at

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02:12:23,520 --> 02:12:25,480
Speaker 1: the clouds on the horizon, you can pretend it's mountains.

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Speaker 1: I will stand from the mountaintops and tell you I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: If a year from now we're not having the same conversation,

2271
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Speaker 1: but it feels like we are because what evidence do

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Speaker 1: we have that it's going to be different? Seventy seventy

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Speaker 1: eight and one bottom line, h JMV with a crossover

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Speaker 1: will find out what he's got cooking next