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Speaker 1: On the football side of things. You now know that

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Speaker 1: Joba House People and poor Guest line, he has the

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Speaker 1: voice of the Indiana Hoosiers, Don Fisher, joining us, Don,

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure first and foremost, because I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting at a chair yet.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to make a statement for you, Don,

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Speaker 2: Okay, Just don't tell me it's going to be one

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Speaker 3: It's not a prediction, I promise you. Okay, it's a fact.

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Speaker 3: It is a fact, Don.

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Speaker 1: The Indiana Hoosiers are not only undefeated in college football,

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Speaker 1: Football Conference. Now, I know that you've witnessed it. You've

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Speaker 1: seen it, You've been up close and personal. But Don,

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Speaker 2: Well, it seems that way, Jake, But I watched last

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Speaker 2: And the reason it doesn't is because I've watched him coach.

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Speaker 2: And I don't go beyond that point because I know

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Speaker 2: And all these guys that have been with him for

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Speaker 2: And that's why this doesn't seem that's surreal to me,

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Speaker 3: One of the things that happened late in the game,

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Speaker 1: To add to this, Okay, because again you've seen it.

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Speaker 1: I mean you're there, and the practices and other such things.

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Speaker 1: But for Mendoza, all of the Heisman talk and a

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Speaker 2: Well, and here's the thing about it, Jake, this is

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Speaker 1: Don From a football standpoint, against Ohio State, when you

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Speaker 2: Well, I just don't think they could survive any kind

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Speaker 2: don't know if our depth, if Indiana's depth is what

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Speaker 2: They've got really good defensive backs, They've got really good

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Speaker 1: Don do you like? You know Ohio State? The reality

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Speaker 1: But with that said, do you like Indiana defensively? Do

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know that anybody's got a better defensive

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Speaker 2: and I don't think Indiana has that at this point.

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Speaker 2: way you've liked, but I just don't see this football

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Speaker 2: It was punted to the wrong area of the field

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Speaker 2: It went on the right side, or the right side,

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Speaker 2: for a touchdown. And now you were in hurry up scatterbrain,

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Speaker 2: we got to make plays, and we got to make

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Speaker 3: Don Don Fisher was the killer.

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Speaker 1: Don Fisher is my guest on the job House, Peel

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Speaker 1: and Port guest line. He is the voice of the

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Speaker 1: Indiana Hoosiers, all right, Don. I remember years ago David

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Speaker 1: got to be a pretty good way to live.

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Speaker 1: This is along those same lines. This is the kind

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Speaker 2: And I don't think there'll be a big problem unless

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, you just walked right across Maryland.

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Speaker 2: Yep, Indiana Minnesota on Wednesday night, And of course we

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Speaker 1: Don, we appreciate the time, as always, start taking the

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Speaker 2: Just now, trust me, they've been I've got a full

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Speaker 3: So there you go, all right, Don appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, guys, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Java House, Peel and poor guest line. I'll read more

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Speaker 1: begin with this. The reality is that there were play

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Speaker 4: got to believe there will be kicker tryouts today tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: But in that scenario, if he kicks the extra point,

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Speaker 4: you can fix one thing. I'll fix the offense. Now

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Speaker 4: That's that's how brutal this league is. You know, hit

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Speaker 4: Well, right now it's uncertain. I was told that the

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Speaker 4: We talked to Shane Styching today to something.

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Speaker 1: My my concern is Smike Chapel's my guest Java House

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Speaker 1: up and mortgaged at least temporarily part of your future

431
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Speaker 1: to get and he has a calf strain, and then

432
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Speaker 1: I throw in the fact that his job is to

433
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: run backwards, not forward, but backwards, which is an abnormal

434
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Speaker 1: movement as it is on the calf. That gives me

435
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: huge pause, an area of concern because you have to

436
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 1: be conscientious of long term health, but at the same

437
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 1: time you've got to get short term payoffs. Am I

438
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: overthinking this?

439
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 4: No? No, But all of us say I'd go back

440
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 4: to Kenny Moore. But ever a guy has a calf injury,

441
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 4: I default to an achilles.

442
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 2: I just do.

443
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 4: And we thought that maybe with Kenny, and I thought

444
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 4: that was with sauce Gardener, although he said he said

445
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 4: he felt like he got shot in the calf, but

446
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,199
Speaker 4: it was higher on the calf. It wasn't down by

447
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 4: the ankle, which was encouraging. They are not going to

448
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 4: risk sauce Gardner short term or long term, just the

449
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 4: same way they didn't with Kenny Moore. If there was

450
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Speaker 4: a chance of Kenny Moore blowing his achilles with that

451
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 4: injury after missing three games, he still wouldn't be playing.

452
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Speaker 2: He wouldn't.

453
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Speaker 4: So but now I understand what you're saying, and this

454
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Speaker 4: is one you've invested a ton to first an ad

455
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Speaker 4: Mitchell who had a great game yesterday. By the way,

456
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 4: good for him. But yeah, it's if he if they

457
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,679
Speaker 4: are convinced and he is convinced that this is a

458
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 4: strayed cast, whatever that entails, and two weeks off, three

459
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 4: weeks off is what it takes, he'll be back. If

460
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Speaker 4: they think, you know, there's the achilles sort of is impacted,

461
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 4: then I don't know that he plays. But it's I

462
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 4: keep defaulting to kennymore and how they handle him not

463
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Speaker 4: putting him on I R and missing three games, and

464
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 4: this this feels like the same using my doctor shingle

465
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 4: I got from Bestrove High School. Uh So, but if

466
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 4: he can play, he'll play. But if he if there's

467
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Speaker 4: a chance that it is achilles related and they can

468
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 4: you know, if he goes there and blows out the

469
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Speaker 4: achilles in December, he doesn't play next year in all likelihood,

470
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Speaker 4: So yeah, I just don't think they would risk that

471
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Speaker 4: at all.

472
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Speaker 3: Mike.

473
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Speaker 1: When you look at and I'm going to go to

474
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Speaker 1: that fourth and one, and you know, Eddie and I

475
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: were discussing off air, and we can get into this,

476
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: I guess, and that is, you know, did they should

477
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: they have kicked, you know, taken the points? Is there

478
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: a you know, does that get into starting to worry

479
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,479
Speaker 1: about the kicker, et cetera. But in situations like you

480
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: saw yesterday, I thought it was symbolic. They had a

481
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Speaker 1: fourth and one, they elect to go for it, and

482
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 1: they they get cutesy, they try to do like a

483
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: direct snap to Tyler Warren. You know, when those plays work,

484
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 1: it's brilliant. When it doesn't work, it allows for two

485
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 1: knuckleheads to talk about it on the radio the next day.

486
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:43,239
Speaker 1: But when you've got a twenty million dollar guard and

487
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: a whatever he wants you should pay him running back,

488
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: why would you not just go to that bread and

489
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Speaker 1: butter every single short yardage situation possible.

490
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Speaker 4: Well, you get into Tende's and then the other team

491
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 4: says that they're going to give to JT. And if

492
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 4: you go, why do he gets he gets swarmed. And

493
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Speaker 4: if you go up the middle, like you said, behind

494
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 4: Ordolini and and and and Quentin, do you think you

495
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 4: can get a yard?

496
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Speaker 2: Uh?

497
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Speaker 4: And and there have been a lot of times that

498
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 4: Jay he has not got that yard.

499
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Speaker 2: You know.

500
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Speaker 4: The ideal thing is is to put Daniel Jones under

501
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 4: center and heaven Borough for a yard. But at that

502
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 4: what's that?

503
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Speaker 1: Not having Daniel Jones get tried for that yard in

504
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: that situation? Does that tell us what we need to

505
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: know about his leg which we already.

506
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 4: Knew probably probably?

507
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 2: Uh.

508
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Speaker 4: But but again I would think, like you said, if

509
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:43,479
Speaker 4: you've got this offensive line is as good as as

510
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 4: good as it should be, and the best running back

511
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 4: not completely run the best running back in the league,

512
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 4: you think you get a yard. But other teams, I've

513
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 4: seen too many instances where Jonathan Taylor has has not

514
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 4: gotten it.

515
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Speaker 6: Uh.

516
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Speaker 4: I didn't like how they I thought they got a

517
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 4: little bit cute with with with Tyler w Warren, you know,

518
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 4: and when it doesn't work, it's like, well do something else,

519
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 4: you idiot. Well it didn't work. But I wouldn't be

520
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 4: opposed at all for Tyler Warren to be in there

521
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 4: doing that. But then when you you flubbed the snap,

522
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 4: then then you know it just blows up on you.

523
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 4: So but that's that's that's another example of where things

524
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 4: that worked early in New Year. Not necessarily that play,

525
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 4: but their third down convert third down conversion rates like

526
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 4: ten percent off and all of a sudden, fourth downs

527
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 4: are adventurous over there. Yesterday five, well they five or thirteen,

528
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 4: three or thirteen on third downs and all two on

529
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Speaker 4: fourth downs. Whatever that's been when they've really made Hey,

530
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 4: they had at one stretch they had six straight three

531
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Speaker 4: and outs going back to case and then the two

532
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Speaker 4: here you know, all of a sudden, Rigoberto Sanchez is

533
00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 4: having a punt too much. So yeah, it's just they're off,

534
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 4: they're off. And injuries. I mean, keep in mind that

535
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 4: Tyler Warren was questionable going in the game with the

536
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Speaker 4: stomach virus. And then you've got a quarterback who's whatever

537
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 4: he is, eighty percent eighty five, I don't know what

538
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 4: he is, but he's not one hundred percent. Uh So,

539
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 4: But again, if they don't, like I say, when you

540
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 4: when you hold to two quality teams Casey and Tennessee,

541
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 4: uh to Houston to what they did offensively you win

542
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 4: those games. You have to win those games because because

543
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 4: your offense is that good and right now it's not

544
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 4: that the passing game isn't as deficient, the running game

545
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 4: isn't is a deficient and asking this defense to hold

546
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 4: the forward I can get. I can give good stats

547
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 4: on the defense, but a lot of them aren't good

548
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 4: because they're still my goodness pressure. You get two sacks

549
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 4: from guys who you have to check the program for

550
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 4: a first half of you know, pronouncer names, then who

551
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 4: the other guy is, wormly from the practice squad. They

552
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 4: just didn't get much pressure wise from Quity pay or

553
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 4: Latu Latu, and Stroud is just too good and Nico

554
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 4: Collins is too good if you can't make them speed

555
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 4: up what they're trying to do. And yesterday was part

556
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 4: of a result of that.

557
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: You know, one thing with Stroud that I don't know, Chap,

558
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: that I had really noticed before it is, you know,

559
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: I remember when he came out of the draft and C. J.

560
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: Stroud had said that, you know, I'm a ball placement

561
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: specialist was his quote. His ability to get the ball

562
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: on a laser really quickly. He doesn't need a lot

563
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: of time to square up and deliver. You know, he's

564
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: got some zip on it, which I don't know that

565
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 1: I had noticed that before, and I'm not saying Daniel

566
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: Jones doesn't. But again, my worry now is that Daniel

567
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: Jones has just simply because of the leg injury that

568
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: now the Colts, in the flip of a switch, became

569
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: too offensively predictable and too stale and too easy to defend.

570
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 3: Tell me I'm wrong.

571
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 4: Well, they've got to be, yeah, and they've got to

572
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 4: be able to stretch the field. I mean, you know,

573
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 4: at least take the deep shots occasionally to keep people

574
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 4: from crowd in the line, which then that hampers of

575
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 4: the run game. And you've got hard to be the

576
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 4: league's best deep thread. And in Alec Pierce, who is

577
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 4: quickly becoming their best receiver, he really is, uh yeah,

578
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 4: Like I say, it's not just it's it's the whack

579
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 4: him old thing on offenses. You know, you think you

580
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 4: got this fixed, and then and then this and then this.

581
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 4: You know, you're trying to plug so many holes in

582
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 4: the dike, and it's just not it's just not teasible

583
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 4: right now. So those guys getting paid a ton of

584
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 4: money Chris Ballad and Sikeing and all those guys, And

585
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 4: we knew from the start that the half of the

586
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 4: season was conducive to a great start seven and one,

587
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 4: eight and two, and they did that, and we knew

588
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 4: the second half of the season was going to be

589
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 4: a murderer's row. I would argue that going into the

590
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 4: last six games, yesterday was the easiest game with Houston.

591
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 4: You know, you got them coming in with a quarterback

592
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 4: hasn't played for three weeks, and you're home and you're

593
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 4: unbeating the home you know, you know, as we've all

594
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 4: noted that the last time they won in Jacksonville, Reggie

595
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 4: Wayne was playing for Crrying Out Loud and Darius Butler.

596
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 4: So they've got to find a way to win three games,

597
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 4: don't They have to win three or five? I think

598
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 4: I don't think ten and seven gets you in eleven

599
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 4: and six should. But they've gone from number one seed

600
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 4: and the best team, best record in the league to

601
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 4: right now they're a wild card.

602
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: And I saw it.

603
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 4: It's crazy how these playoff simulators are. They're still, i believe,

604
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 4: by the Athletics simulator, favored to win the NS or

605
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 4: the AC South and gosh, I wonder how they've got

606
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 4: the better off to win the sad.

607
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: Especially when you consider that, well, a lot of it's

608
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: going to depend on what happens between the cannibalization of

609
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: Jacksonville and Houston and their remaining games. But when you've

610
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: got to finish at Houston, that's where it becomes tough, right,

611
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: because if it comes down between those two, you got

612
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: to go there as opposed to hear and finish.

613
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 4: Jacksonville finishes with the Colts twice, and then they've got

614
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 4: Tennessee again, and then I believe they've got the Jets.

615
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 4: I've got to schedule. Now I don't. I don't have

616
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 4: their schedule, but I believe this took out the Jets

617
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 4: to play. There's in the Colts. You know, everybody they're

618
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 4: playing is either in the play or probably probably in

619
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 4: the playoffs.

620
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe Ady Mitchell gets the Colts in the playoffs

621
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: after all, maybe he goes for eight and one or

622
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: two against Jacksonville and helps out the Colts.

623
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: Right, Well, there you go, Okay.

624
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 4: And again lately they've not gotten any help from teams

625
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 4: at all on other games, so this is on them.

626
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 4: They're wavering, but they've got time to get it straightened out.

627
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 4: I just boy, I'm just I'm just a little nervous

628
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 4: whether they could get it done or not.

629
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 3: Okay, Chap.

630
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: Lastly, last week we talked about Defcon four and Defcon one,

631
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: and one of them you said was kiss your reer

632
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 1: in goodbye. That's def Con one, right. So I'm going

633
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: to read you a listener text. Let me finish the text,

634
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: and then when I do it, I want you to

635
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: tell me what def con this listener is living in?

636
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 3: You ready? I get Jake.

637
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: The reality is the Colts have built a culture on losing.

638
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: Ballard's a loser GM and the players, even the best ones,

639
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: are all complicit in the losing culture. Three of the

640
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: last four years. The Colts have controlled their own destiny

641
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: at some point in the last five or so games,

642
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: and some of those games were winning in and every

643
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: single time they lost. What a disaster, But in reality

644
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: it's the least surprising outcome you can imagine as a fan.

645
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: Players who choked in Jacksonville in twenty twenty one all

646
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: got second contracts. But they're all chokers. What level def

647
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: con is that Chap isn't dead?

648
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Speaker 4: Slim pickens riding the bomb clim Pickens right, that it was.

649
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, So that's zero point five is what

650
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 3: we're getting at.

651
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 4: Right, That's right. So yeah, and I understand that. And

652
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 4: these guys deserve every They don't deserve the benefit of

653
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 4: the doubt because they haven't earned it. And they have

654
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 4: had complete fourth and one a couple of years ago.

655
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 4: Go to Jacksonville and beat a crappy team or beat

656
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 4: the Raiders when you're here, and they didn't, and a

657
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 4: lot there's a good portion of the players still here.

658
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 4: So yeah, you know, you gotta do it. You got

659
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 4: to finish. And we've talked before. If this thing goes south,

660
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 4: all gloves are off on what happens. I mean, Carly

661
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 4: will have some monster monster decisions to make. So just

662
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 4: just find a way to where you can't win.

663
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: You know.

664
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 4: I thought they had a chance to win in Pittsburgh

665
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 4: where they never won, and they couldn't. And Pittsburgh's terrible.

666
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 4: Good lord, they're terrible. So I went on Sunday and

667
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 4: things a lot better. Uh, But yeah, I think I did.

668
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 4: I did I say it? They lost to Houston. It

669
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 4: was Deaf Con two and a half.

670
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 3: I think you said, yep, yep, unless you're this guy. Yeah,

671
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 3: Piggin's righting the bomb. Then zero point five.

672
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: All right, we'll see what happens obviously upcoming with Jacksonville.

673
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: It only gets bigger from there, and we'll talk to

674
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: Chap afterwards and see what defcom we're riding. Then, appreciate

675
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: the time as always, Mike.

676
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 4: You guys be willing to stay away from the panic button.

677
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 3: That's right, Appreciate it.

678
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: Mike Chappell joining us on the program, joining us now

679
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,959
Speaker 1: in the Joba House, Peel and poor guest line. Of course,

680
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: you hear them on this show with regular occasion, and

681
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: it's always an informative conversation. Ralph Reef is the foremost

682
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: leader in Indianapolis when it comes to athletic training and

683
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: joining me now Ralph Reef dot com his website, that's

684
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,479
Speaker 1: ore Eiff, Ralph.

685
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 3: Let's get right to this.

686
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: The when I saw Sauce Gardener go down, and I

687
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: want to be very specific and also give the disclaimer

688
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:12,439
Speaker 1: that we always give.

689
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 3: You know, you are not specifically the athletic trainer for

690
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 3: Sauce Gardner.

691
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: You're not looking at specifically his example, so we're speaking

692
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: in generalities.

693
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 3: But when I saw it.

694
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: My eye immediately looked over to the corner of the

695
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: end zone where I'm seeing Tyrese Haliburton there, and I'm

696
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 1: getting flashbacks in my mind because Haliburton was a calf strain,

697
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: and then obviously we saw that facilitate itself or grow

698
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: itself into the Achilles And I don't know if that's isolated.

699
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if one lends itself to the other.

700
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: And I want to get into all of that, but

701
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Speaker 1: let's begin with the Sauce Gardner injury. When you saw

702
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: it and then you heard calf strain more often than not,

703
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: that means what probably took place.

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00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 5: Well, good afternoon to you, Jake.

705
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 6: And to get to that injury, what it means from

706
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 6: what we're hearing and seeing is that that unit from

707
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 6: the back of the knee all the way down to

708
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 6: the bottom of the heel. While we describe it as

709
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 6: different things, you know, a couple of layers of the

710
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 6: calf muscle and achilles tendon, it's it's all one unit

711
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 6: that has to work together. And so he has, according

712
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 6: to reports, an injury to.

713
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 5: The upper portion of the lower leg, which.

714
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,720
Speaker 6: Would be in the meat of the calf muscle, and

715
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 6: so when I saw it, it was let's wait and see, right,

716
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 6: because they're all a little bit different. And but from

717
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 6: reports and and and there was some very things that

718
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 6: raised a red flag for me. Was what he said

719
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 6: about what he felt.

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Speaker 1: And if I'm not mistaken, and I'm paraphrasing here, Ralph,

721
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: he basically said that he felt like a heat.

722
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 3: Is that right, like.

723
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: A warmth in the back of the leg or like

724
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: what exactly what jumped out at the ears of Ralph reef.

725
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, he said I felt like I got shot in

726
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 6: the back of the leg. And that was reported by

727
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 6: a couple of outlets right after the game. And so

728
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 6: that to me, Jake, I hate to say it, but

729
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 6: it's very concerning to me. It is a very common

730
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Speaker 6: statement that people make when the lower leg is injured.

731
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Speaker 6: And oftentimes people will turn around and look and say, hey,

732
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 6: who kicked me or who hit me?

733
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Speaker 5: It might happen on the golf course.

734
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 6: I've seen it in a couple of football and basketball

735
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 6: officials running on the sideline during games, where all of

736
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 6: a sudden they'll stop and really question who kicked them.

737
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 6: And so from that, I'm going to assume he has

738
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 6: a significant care to the calf muscle. From from that

739
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 6: statement and also the fact that I think somebody within

740
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 6: the media reported that it was a high grade injury,

741
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 6: and so high grade is also muscle fibers have been torn.

742
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 6: You get this feeling of, Hey, I got kicked.

743
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 5: Somebody hit me with a golf club. I felt like

744
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 5: I got shot.

745
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 6: It's because that whole structure is under such great tension.

746
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 6: And and you were right. You know, early in your

747
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 6: show you talked about back pedaling and so forth, and yeah,

748
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 6: that that motion up and down of the ankle, push

749
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 6: off and landing and so forth, that calf structure, the

750
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 6: achilles tendon, is always under tension, and when that is released,

751
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 6: it pops.

752
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: Ralph, I'm going to ask it a really I'm almost

753
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: embarrassed because it's such a dumb question here, Okay, but

754
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: it would be my assumption that the human body is designed.

755
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: It's a machine, right, and it is designed. But the

756
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: machine is to move a certain way, which is more

757
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: often than not forward. And now you have a player

758
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 1: like Sauce Gardner whose job primarily is to run backward.

759
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: Does that compromise the way that the machine operates, or

760
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,439
Speaker 1: would his muscles be programmed through the workouts that he's

761
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: done to be able to withstand the trauma of moving

762
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: backwards versus forward?

763
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 3: Or is that.

764
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: Something that is constantly unnatural to the body, no matter

765
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: how natural you try to make it.

766
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 6: So I'll counter you a little bit and say, it's

767
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 6: not uncommon for that run backwards, okay, So, particularly at

768
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 6: the elite level.

769
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 5: They've been doing it all the lives, right.

770
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 6: And if you go watch a football practice, whether it's

771
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 6: a Warren Central High School or or University of Indianapolis

772
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 6: or with the Colts, your defensive backs and linebackers are

773
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 6: going to do a lot of backpedaling drill, and so yes,

774
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 6: the muscle structures, the neuromuscular system gets a custom to okay,

775
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 6: And so it's not an unusual movement.

776
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 3: Okay.

777
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: So therefore, in his situation, it's not like the human

778
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: body is saying, well, what do you expect? You're asking

779
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: me to do the opposite of what I'm programmed to do.

780
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: It can be programmed to do it that way, right,

781
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: So that's correct.

782
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 3: Okay.

783
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: Now, having said that, the one area in this town, Ralph,

784
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: as you know, Ralph Reef is my guest. By the way,

785
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: Reef Executive Performance Solutions. The organization Ralph Reef dot com,

786
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: r eiff dot Com is the website. The the reality

787
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: is I want to go back to and I hate

788
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: doing it, Ralph, but it's familiarity for us. When Tyrese

789
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: Haliburton had his calf strain, that's what it was initially

790
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: and then and we knew and I totally understand why

791
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: the Pacers and Haliburton, everybody else was out there in

792
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: Game seven. I mean, we all understand that the achilles

793
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: that we saw from Tyrese Haliburton that then sidelined him

794
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: for say a year, is that an issue that increases

795
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: in probability coming off of a calf strain.

796
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 6: The injury to that unit starting with a muscle injury

797
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 6: as you've described that there was like this initial injury,

798
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 6: and so let's say with Tyrese or in this case

799
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 6: with Sauce Gardner, it does predispose the rest of the

800
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 6: unit to have an injury of some sort. So the

801
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 6: rest of that unit on the back side of the

802
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 6: lower leg includes the Achilles tendon. And so when you

803
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 6: have a disruption to the normal function of the upper

804
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 6: portion of the lower leg, the lower portion takes on

805
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 6: more of that responsibility, and I believe in the Ralph

806
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 6: world of thought that that load eventually exceeds capability.

807
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: If you were looking at and I want to speak

808
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: again in generality here, Ralph okay, and I know that

809
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 1: every body is different, every muscle is different, every reaction

810
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: is different. More often than not, when you hear CAF

811
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: strain in your vast experience as an athletic trainer, that

812
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: lends you to believe what amount of time frame, generically speaking,

813
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: is a probable expectation that a player or an athlete

814
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: needs to rest and recover and not put himself back

815
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: on the field.

816
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 6: Well, I'm a big fan of biology, and it's been

817
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 6: proven over and over again research all those things.

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00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 5: That twenty one days from the onset of.

819
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 6: The injury, the body needs twenty one days as a

820
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 6: middle of the.

821
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 2: Bell curve to heal.

822
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 5: And so three weeks. Let's assume nothing else is wrong.

823
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 6: Let's assume that now we're speaking in terms of Sauce Gardener,

824
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 6: who's an elite athlete.

825
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 5: He's young, he's.

826
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 6: Relatively healthy, and he has the best professionals in the

827
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 6: world at his disposal, and so I would doubt very

828
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 6: much if this succeeds into the third week. So I

829
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 6: think that if and of course I'm stacking up all

830
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,959
Speaker 6: my ifs, right, if it's a tear of the upper

831
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 6: portion of the calf muscle, and based on everything we're

832
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 6: hearing and reading, and then if he's fully protected and

833
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 6: gets all kinds of you know, we talked about stem

834
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 6: cells a few weeks ago and all that kind of stuff.

835
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 6: So there's there's different products, different programming, different treatments that

836
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 6: can be used to fool the biology.

837
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 5: And speed it up a little bit. And so no

838
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 5: more than three weeks in my opinion, but.

839
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: We never know, right, Okay, So I want to go

840
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: back to and and Kenny Moore ed he points out

841
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: had the same he had a cap strain, missed three weeks.

842
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 1: I mean, to that point right on target therey. Yeah,

843
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: but I want to go back to when you said

844
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: that his description was of concern to you. Is that

845
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: because you believe that that description could in fact be

846
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: more than just a calf No.

847
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 6: No, it just tells me that it's it's not a

848
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 6: bump in the road. This is a significant muscle injury

849
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 6: that needs attention.

850
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, the other big question mark for the Colts

851
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: is obviously that of Daniel Jones. When and I think

852
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: the average person myself included, you know, like I had

853
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: somebody yesterday said to me like, how in the world

854
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: is this guy playing with a broken leg? And I'm like, well,

855
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: he has a fracture in his fibula, which, as I understand,

856
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: it could simply be that he has like a and

857
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: I know this sounds incredibly you know, a flake of

858
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: the bone that broke off in the fibula, you know,

859
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. When you heard that injury, that

860
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: typically would mean what and can that also be one

861
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: that then becomes a bigger issue?

862
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, So let's I'm going to talk to you a

863
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 6: little bit about the role of the fibula.

864
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 5: In the lower leg. So you got two big bones

865
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 5: below the knee.

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Speaker 6: The knee joint is made up by the surface of

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Speaker 6: the tibia, which is the really big bone in the

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Speaker 6: lower leg.

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Speaker 3: And so when you reach down to the which is

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Speaker 3: the shin like when you you know what I mean.

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Speaker 6: Exactly right, that's where is going. The shin bone is

872
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Speaker 6: the tibia, that's the big bone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Riding along in the sidecar of the motorcycle, the sidecar

875
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Speaker 6: is the fibula, all right, And the fibula is attaches

876
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Speaker 6: at the bottom, it creates that outside of the ankle,

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Speaker 6: but at the top it sort of floats, all right.

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Speaker 6: And so the fibula its primary purpose is it's a

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00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 6: control box, if you will. It's sort of a junction

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00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 6: box if you think electronically. So the fibula only takes

881
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Speaker 6: about fifteen percent of the body weight when you're standing

882
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Speaker 6: on it. The tibia does all the work what the

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Speaker 6: fibula does, and so there are lots of athletes who

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Speaker 6: participate with some injury to their fibula. The one that

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Speaker 6: immediately comes to my mind that no one would remember

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Speaker 6: this your track and field fan, but Mandyo Mitchell ran

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Speaker 6: the four by four hundred relay in the London Olympics

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Speaker 6: in twenty twelve with a fractured fibula. And he was

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Speaker 6: actually mentioned in Obama's speech after the Olympics for the team.

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00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 6: But he, Manio ran that complete race with a known

891
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Speaker 6: fibular fracture.

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Speaker 5: So for.

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Speaker 6: Our quarterback to be out there not surprised, here's why

894
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 6: he can't move. In between the fibula and the tibia

895
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 6: is a web of tissue and that web of tissue.

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Speaker 6: It's called the innerossius membrane. That is, it connects the

897
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 6: fibula to the tibia. But more importantly, the fibula has

898
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 6: about seven muscles that attached to it, So it's like

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Speaker 6: a differential gear in a car. When you go around

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00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 6: to turn, the differential sort of sways the torque from

901
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 6: the inside to the outside wheels and so forth. That's

902
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Speaker 6: what the innersius membrane does. It serves as the differential

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Speaker 6: of allowing torque to either go through the fibula or

904
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Speaker 6: go through the tibia. What muscles in the foot that

905
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Speaker 6: to control the action of the ankle and so for

906
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Speaker 6: him to follow through and really push off that left

907
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 6: leg or to make a rotation a spin out of

908
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 6: a tackle. It's excruciating discomfort, not so much from the fracture,

909
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 6: but because the innersius membrane has been injured as well,

910
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 6: and it has like zero blood flow through it, so

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00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 6: it heals really really slow. But it's I would say

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Speaker 6: that most of his pain and his lack of ability

913
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Speaker 6: to be agile at the level that we saw him

914
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Speaker 6: earlier pre injury is because of the discomfort and the

915
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 6: fact then that your neurologic system just goes ballistic crazy.

916
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 6: It can't figure out how to compensate and make everything

917
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 6: work and feel good.

918
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Speaker 5: And so Ralph, hopefully that's not too complicated.

919
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Speaker 1: No, it's great info. And so the question would be

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00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: for Daniel Jones, would this when you mentioned like the

921
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: excruciating pain that comes with it, and maybe it is

922
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: simply pain more than it is danger, right, But so

923
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: would that most likely present itself when he's trying to

924
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: cut and readirect or when he is simply trying to

925
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: straight line run and get away from something.

926
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Speaker 6: How about every time he stands on his tiptoes. Okay,

927
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 6: so every time he lifts his heel and gets into

928
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Speaker 6: planterflection or he's on the ball of his foot, that

929
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 6: inerasious memoran is screaming, it's just yeah. So then when

930
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 6: you add in the torque of rotation or quick movements,

931
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 6: that his brain is saying, hey, I need to do this,

932
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Speaker 6: and his leg's not following along.

933
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Speaker 5: And so I mean we can see it with.

934
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Speaker 6: Our naked eye on TV or in person. So imagine

935
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Speaker 6: the slowness that his body is responding to the signal

936
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Speaker 6: from the brain just because yeah, just because of probably

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Speaker 6: what is a somewhat minor crack in the fibula just

938
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Speaker 6: disrupts that interacious membrane, and thus you've sort of got

939
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 6: a flat footed quarterback.

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Speaker 2: You know.

941
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Speaker 1: I figured this out, Ralph over this conversation, Ralph Reef

942
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: my guest Java House Peel and poor guest line. When

943
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: it comes to the makeup of this program, what I've

944
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: figured out, Eddie is the tibia. He's the guy doing

945
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: all the work. He's the big front structure. I'm just

946
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: the fibula. I'm just the right along guy. I'm there

947
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 1: to basically just kind of ride along in the sidecar.

948
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 1: However I can be a huge pain. That's basically what

949
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: we've gotten out here, right.

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00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 5: I think you've capsulated it very well.

951
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 3: He's not on the he's not on the right track.

952
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 3: I'm the heartbeat of this operation here.

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00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 2: Come on.

954
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,359
Speaker 1: Well, but when it comes to leg you're the tibia, right,

955
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,720
Speaker 1: you know, Jack, I'm the most important muscle in the body.

956
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 3: What is the most important muscle in the body. That

957
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 3: would be the heart, would it not, Ralph?

958
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 5: It is in my body?

959
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 4: Yeah?

960
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 3: Okay, Well there you go. So Eddie, I guess that's right.

961
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 3: If you're the most important. Then you are the heart.

962
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 3: Uh Ralph.

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00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: Lastly, you know, I'm looking right here at ralphreef dot

964
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Speaker 1: com right and I'm looking at your photo. It looks

965
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: like you might have been in London or Toronto or

966
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: something on the photo that was taking of you and

967
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: then listening to your voice, and it dawned on me this.

968
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,479
Speaker 1: Do you ever find that when you're at Java house

969
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: or anywhere else and you're just out in public, that

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00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: people just want to come up and talk to you

971
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 1: because you just have this folks see presentation, Like your

972
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: entire period, your entire appearance in persona is that of

973
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: just like like this super nice dude. Do people Can

974
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: people just tell that about you, that you're a super

975
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 1: nice dude and they come up and just start talking

976
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Speaker 1: to you?

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Speaker 6: Uh, well, normally I need my wife to tell people

978
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 6: that I'm a nice guy. So but but you're right,

979
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 6: those pictures were that's a whole long story of those

980
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 6: pictures on my website were.

981
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 5: Actually taken in London. Long story, we won't get into it.

982
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 2: But it was a lot of fun.

983
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 6: And but job house man I bought I bought some

984
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 6: of the iced tea pods last week get ready for Thanksgiving.

985
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I'm out of them, already, out of I'm already.

986
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, i'll tell you what.

987
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 1: The mango black tea is outstanding, so too, just the

988
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: regular black tea and then the peach Don't even get

989
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: me started on the peach Ta fantastic. Eddie keeps stealing mine.

990
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah.

991
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: But I hope you had a good Thanksgiving, even without

992
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: the iced tea that you short sold or short bought.

993
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 3: I hope you did have a good Thanksgiving, Ralph.

994
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, we had an excellent time. Thank you very much.

995
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 3: Appreciate it as always, Ralph.

996
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: And like I said, I'm sure injuries will continue to

997
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: pop up, and if that's the case, we would love

998
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: to have you back on. But I appreciate the time

999
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: as always. My pleasure, Ralph Reef joining me again, Ralph

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Speaker 1: Reef dot com. Reef Executive Performance Solutions on the Java House,

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Speaker 1: Peel and Poor gast Line