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Speaker 3: I know we have a lot to get into. Let's

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Speaker 3: get get right into.

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Speaker 2: This is a total gun guy story.

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Speaker 3: This stray bullet that fell from the sky injuring someone

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Speaker 3: Year's Day here in Indiana? Was that it in Monsey?

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Speaker 2: No, it's here in the Southwest. Yeah, I heard it.

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Speaker 1: I swear to God, I heard all these morons firing gunshots.

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Speaker 2: Because you know me, I'm a fireworks guy.

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Speaker 4: It's on the near southwest side. I think right off

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Speaker 4: be a knucklehead and go out and shoot guns in

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Speaker 4: you're very likely to get prosecuted for a crime. It's

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Speaker 4: called criminal recklessness with a deadly weapon, which is the

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Speaker 2: You should be prosecuted.

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Speaker 1: But it's Maryon County, so you might get a sticker

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Speaker 4: But then also you could hurt someone. And someone was

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Speaker 4: And the guy, the guy looked at me like I

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Speaker 4: And he goes, no, he does endanger anyone. He goes,

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Speaker 4: those bullets burn up on re entry.

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Speaker 4: And killed him. And so that can absolutely happen. And

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Speaker 4: So it's just a stupid idea. You guys try to

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Speaker 3: By the way, before we move forward here Hammer, I

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Speaker 3: in the room turn Little Velocity starring Charlie Sheen. If

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Speaker 3: you remember as the show, he's the skydiver. Yeah, what's

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Speaker 3: Back to my Now, ask me anything you want about

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I have to go back to my cheesy,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, okay, all right, I got you.

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Speaker 1: The last thing about this story about the numb nuts

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Speaker 4: Well that and it influences legislation as well. I'll guarantee

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he wouldn't have shot this gun in the air

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Speaker 4: And so that's why I'm always going to be pretty

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Speaker 4: harsh on knuckle headed gun owners. Exactly to your point.

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Speaker 1: It's Monday Gun Day here on the Hammer in Nigel Show.

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Speaker 1: Got you joined me right before the end of last year,

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Speaker 1: and we talked about how the crime trends were promising. Right,

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Speaker 1: same time, justifiable homicides were up. Right, And again these

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and listen, we haven't seen the final numbers yet

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Speaker 1: And the numbers have dropped, at least here in Indiana.

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Speaker 4: more and more people that are buying guns well good,

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Speaker 4: more and more people realize the need that they also

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Speaker 4: need to be trained as well. Exactly again to your.

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Speaker 1: Point Monday Gun Day with Guy Relford here and Guy,

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Speaker 1: I think this falls into the purview.

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Speaker 2: Of your expertise.

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Speaker 1: There were guns involved when the United States took Maduro

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Speaker 1: and so many people were going to social media saying

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Speaker 1: Trump's got to get congressional authority all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: everybody's a constitutional expert on social media. I'll defer to

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Speaker 1: is a lawyer here, what do you think.

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Speaker 4: Well, I actually posted yesterday on my feedbook feedbook Facebook

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Speaker 4: discussion of the constitutional authority for Trump to do what

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Speaker 4: he did. And listen, there's no question that Article one

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Speaker 4: of the Constant says very clearly that Congress has exclusive authority,

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Speaker 4: exclusive power to declare war. Right. I mean, there's no

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Speaker 4: non debate about that. At the same time, Article two,

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Speaker 4: section two, clause one says that the president is commander

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Speaker 4: has been always interpreted to mean he can deploy troops,

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Speaker 4: he can take actions involving the military for the national security,

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Speaker 4: and so those two things bump up against each other

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Speaker 4: when the question becomes can the president send US military

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Speaker 4: to engage in hostile activities in a foreign land without

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Speaker 4: congressional authority? And listen since the time of Thomas Jefferson,

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Speaker 4: Because in a great comment to my post on Facebook,

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Speaker 4: Christy Stutsman, former representative, and I love this comment. It

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Speaker 4: was so smart I wish i'd included it in my

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Speaker 4: original post. She said, well, I think Thomas Jefferson knows

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Speaker 4: something about the Constitution, having Osay written a big part

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Speaker 4: of it. He had a yeah, and sent the very

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Speaker 4: first deployment of Marines to Tripoli to combat the pirates

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Speaker 4: during his presidency without prior congressional approval. Yes, once that uh,

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Speaker 4: have a war here and then asked for authority. But

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Speaker 4: in terms of the initial deployment and the initial use

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Speaker 4: approval beforehand, sent the marines. And since then, what have

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Speaker 4: we've seen? You go all the way back to to

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Speaker 4: and the Vietnam War. Were those? Were those good ideas?

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Speaker 4: By the way, that's not that's not the question we're

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Speaker 4: discussing here. The Bay of Pigs a good idea. No,

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Speaker 4: of course it was a horrible idea. But Democrat president

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Speaker 4: Republican president, one after the other, for years and for

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Speaker 4: generations have interpreted the Constitution to say, yes, short of

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Speaker 4: the national security. It's been Did anybody complain when Obama

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Speaker 4: essentially invaded Libya and Wilmar Kadaffi got killed? No? Or

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Speaker 4: when Obama sent Seal Team six to kill Usama bin

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Speaker 4: Laden No? And those we're the same things we're talking

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Speaker 4: about here. So presidents of both parties have done it

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Speaker 4: for years, for generations, and there's authority in Article two,

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Speaker 4: Section two, Clause one. As commander in chief, the president

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Speaker 4: can do exactly that short of actually involving the US

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Speaker 4: in a war.

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Speaker 2: Where can we find you at Guy.

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Speaker 4: Ralford on Twitter or x The best way to find

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Speaker 4: me at Guy Ralford.

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Speaker 2: Guy, You're the best. Appreciate you.

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Speaker 4: Thanks guys,