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Speaker 1: So the American Dream costs how much?

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Speaker 2: Five million dollars?

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Speaker 3: Now I'm out.

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Speaker 1: Now this is over.

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Speaker 2: Your lifetime and there are eight key components of the

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Speaker 2: American Dream. This is according to Investopedia.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's over your lifetime. Yeah, you make five million dollars.

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Speaker 3: I don't have to have five million.

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Speaker 2: No, not currently, but over your lifetime. It's actually five million,

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Speaker 2: forty three, three hundred and twenty three dollars to achieve

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Speaker 2: eight key components to achieve the American dream two point

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Speaker 2: eight million for US worker with a bachelor's degree. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's what they're saying. Oka coverage lifetime earnings.

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Speaker 3: What are the components? Wait wait wait I thought it

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Speaker 3: was five million.

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Speaker 2: Well it's five million. Average lifetime earnings is two point

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Speaker 2: eight So that's what they're saying. The cost of the

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Speaker 2: American Dream, it's out of reach.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, I give you.

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Speaker 2: We need five million.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So here's the news, and then the bad news

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Speaker 3: is you're not going.

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Speaker 1: To get it right.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, perfect, thank you, Casey.

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Speaker 2: So would you like to know the eight core components

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Speaker 2: of the American.

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Speaker 1: Dream totally and their cost? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So this is based on twenty years of retirement spending.

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Speaker 2: The number one component is retirement. You need one point

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Speaker 2: six million dollars to do that. It is the most

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Speaker 2: expensive component of the American dream.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 2: Home ownership nine hundred and fifty seven thousand dollars. This

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Speaker 2: includes a home purchase plus a thirty year mortgage with interest, insurance,

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Speaker 2: and taxes. And that number has gone up by about

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Speaker 2: thirty thousand dollars from last year.

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Speaker 3: Well that's a pretty decent home, though, I mean, because

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Speaker 3: what is it usually like you paid double in the house,

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Speaker 3: like over the lifetime with whatever your plan.

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Speaker 2: Is with your interest.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. You so if you're saying it's well, you're also

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Speaker 3: saying property taxes are included in that too. So I

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Speaker 3: mean that's a you know whatever. That would be a

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Speaker 3: three three, four hundred thousand dollars house. Okay, all right,

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Speaker 3: very good.

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Speaker 2: Owning new cars, two car household, replacing cars every ten years,

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Speaker 2: you need nine hundred thousand, three hundred and forty six dollars.

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Speaker 1: Wait, wait, replacing a car, two cars.

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Speaker 2: Two car household, and you replace the replace the cars

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Speaker 2: every ten years.

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Speaker 1: Every ten years, so.

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Speaker 2: For your lifetime, you'll spend nine hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: Okay, However, if we're in a two car houseold, that

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Speaker 3: means we're a two income household too, right, I mean,

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Speaker 3: why would I need two cars.

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Speaker 2: If you don't have two incomes, if two people not

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Speaker 2: leaving all the time.

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Speaker 3: Unless you're like me and you have one car that

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Speaker 3: barely works, then you need a car that actually.

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Speaker 2: Works, a lot of that has to do with marketing, though,

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Speaker 2: where people are all the time exposed to all the

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Speaker 2: fanciest and latest new car and you need this when

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Speaker 2: really you don't. The car you have is running fine.

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Speaker 3: Well that's you know. Look Okay, So there are like

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Speaker 3: there's car guy right who that's some And this is

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Speaker 3: in no way meant to be anyway negative. But there's

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Speaker 3: car guy who That's what they are. They're into cars.

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Speaker 3: That's their hobby.

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Speaker 1: Now, Like, do you have hobbies?

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Speaker 3: I mean baking but outside of radio? Like, do you

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Speaker 3: have a hot like things? You? I mean, I know

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Speaker 3: you enjoy hiking, et cetera, But do you have I've

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Speaker 3: never heard you to collect anything or no, I'm not

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Speaker 3: really a collector.

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Speaker 2: So I mean I used to do the scrap booking

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Speaker 2: when my daughter was young and that sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: Then you just figured out she won't appreciate us.

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Speaker 3: What's the point.

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Speaker 2: It costs a lot of money to do that.

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Speaker 3: That's why the journal is great, because oh you need

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Speaker 3: is a blank page paper, even if she doesn't appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: At least it costs me a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: But like, what if you were to say my hobby

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Speaker 3: is what would it be.

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Speaker 1: Pushing your buttons?

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Speaker 3: Well, I asked that because this is my hobby. So

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Speaker 3: like my hobby costs me zero dollars I make I'm

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Speaker 3: making money off of your hobby. So but it depends

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Speaker 3: on So my point is, car guy cars are his hobby,

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Speaker 3: your husband's case, bathroom's full of magazines, his hobby. Right,

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Speaker 3: But take car guy out of the equation because car

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Speaker 3: guy buys for fun because cars are his hobby. And

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Speaker 3: you know, new cars and different cars and whatever. You

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Speaker 3: do raise a great point in I wonder how many people,

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Speaker 3: well it's probably time to get a new car.

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Speaker 2: They're feeling pressure. Yeah, really, they don't need one.

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Speaker 3: My wife and I've had this conversation at least three

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Speaker 3: times since we've been together, and every time I told her, eh,

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Speaker 3: it ain't time to get a new car. Oh no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: I mean now my car is hanging on by a thread.

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Speaker 2: You need a new car, but.

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Speaker 3: No way, because I'm gonna achieve that American dream if

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Speaker 3: it kills me.

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Speaker 2: Casey, have you shopped around for cars? Do you have

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Speaker 2: any idea? Like how close to the process are you?

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Speaker 2: I know you need a new car.

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Speaker 3: I got guys, I got guys, you got somebody. When

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Speaker 3: it's time to execute, I will execute.

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Speaker 2: You're going to just take some recommendation.

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Speaker 3: Well, I do this with everything where I did a

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Speaker 3: little life hack here if you'd like to do this.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying this would necessarily work in your relationship,

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Speaker 3: but I am great at play. And what I mean

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Speaker 3: by that is my wife will tell me we need

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Speaker 3: to do something, and then I'll say, yeah, yea, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we'll do it next week. But she's got the ADHD,

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Speaker 3: so she'll get distracted by something and then move on

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Speaker 3: and yeah, and then by the time she comes back

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Speaker 3: to it in a fit of rage, you told me

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Speaker 3: you were gonna.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I'll do it next week.

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Speaker 3: And then so here's a well, a great example is

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Speaker 3: there's something I'm supposed to do for.

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Speaker 1: The past couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: I told her, we'll do it this week because I

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Speaker 3: don't want to spend the money on it, and we

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Speaker 3: don't need to spend the money on it yet. And

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Speaker 3: she had a work trip this week, so she's been gone,

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Speaker 3: so she's gotten back. She won't remember until the end

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Speaker 3: of the week, and then I'll say, well, we're gonna

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Speaker 3: have to wait till early next week before we do this.

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Speaker 2: You just reminded her, by the way, I am the

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Speaker 2: best person at saving money.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to saving money. Just put that off.

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Speaker 1: And financial stability.

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Speaker 3: Even though I've never made any actual money, I do

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Speaker 3: very well because I can live my life on about

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Speaker 2: Well, you're gonna have to get a new car eventually.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, No, I'm going to wait until you're

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Speaker 3: I'm hanging on by a by a thread, which could

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Speaker 3: be today. I think I need a new battery. I'm

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Speaker 3: hoping that it'll start and I have the ability to

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Speaker 3: get home because I got here's the predicament I ran into. Okay,

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Speaker 3: and this may be the worst thing ever, So, like

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Speaker 3: I said, my wife just got back from her work trip.

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Speaker 3: She has to go into work today. Some day she

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Speaker 3: gets to work from home, but she had to go

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Speaker 3: to work today. I know my dad plays golf on Thursdays.

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Speaker 3: So I go to start my car and it does

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Speaker 3: the oh and I saw the battery light, but then

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Speaker 2: Huh.

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Speaker 3: So it's like, okay, the battery's not gonna stop in

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Speaker 2: You're hoping that it recharged on your drive here, right.

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Speaker 3: Because it was like I can't. I can't tell her

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Speaker 3: and I'm gonna take her car. I'm not gonna screw

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Speaker 3: not gonna tell my dad that I need his car.

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Speaker 1: So what choice did I really am?

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Speaker 2: I just can roll the dice when you leave.

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Speaker 3: Today to see you know, it may it may not start,

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Speaker 3: but all I gotta do is make it once it.

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Speaker 2: Starts, right, Yeah, you'll get there as long as the.

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Speaker 1: Car starts, it won't stop, right.

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Speaker 3: I did take the long way to get to work

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Speaker 3: was later getting to work today, because it was like,

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Speaker 3: I want to be going thirty miles an hour when

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Speaker 3: something goes off the hinges.

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Speaker 2: Rather than the highway. Yeah, that's smart. This is Did

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Speaker 2: you back into the parking spot?

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Speaker 3: No should I well, if you might have to jump in,

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Speaker 3: I didn't even think about that.

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Speaker 3: Oh that was a bad move.

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Speaker 2: Well good luck.

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Speaker 3: I should have. Oh boy, I didn't even I think

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Speaker 3: I have some cables. I got the cables.

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Speaker 1: Oh I keep with that car. I keep everything with

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Speaker 1: me on my person. Keep some oil in there.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and the stuff to fill up your tires.

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Speaker 3: I told you that I have to chang that that

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Speaker 2: You just have some regular maintenance.

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Speaker 1: The oil.

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Speaker 3: There's something where it burns oil that's not good. But

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Speaker 3: as long as you put the oil in every like

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Speaker 3: two weeks, it runs like a champ. I've been doing

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Speaker 3: that for like three years now.

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Speaker 2: We need a car guy to come on and help recommend.

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Speaker 3: I need a car sponsor. That's what I need.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't cats have a car sponsor?

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Speaker 2: There you go? Yeah.

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Speaker 3: They always ask us that in nurse like what do

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Speaker 3: you need? And then we tell them what we need.

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Speaker 3: They never give us any of those people as sponsors.

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Speaker 3: I need a car sponsor. You need a dealer shop

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Speaker 3: at this the Fred Flintstone.

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Speaker 1: Car would be better than the car that I actually have.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 1: But the point of all this is I will achieve

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Speaker 1: that American dream.

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Speaker 2: You will, all right, and onto the eight components of

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Speaker 2: achieving the American dream raising two kids in college. This

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Speaker 2: includes the cost to raise children through the age of

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Speaker 2: eighteen plus tuition for a state public college.

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Speaker 1: Now you paid for your kid to go to college.

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Speaker 1: I did why.

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Speaker 2: Because I am the wall for her to push off of.

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Speaker 2: I wanted her to have a good start in life.

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Speaker 3: Sounds like you were the wall that she took a

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Speaker 3: sledgehammer too. You didn't feel like saying at fifteen, Hey,

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Speaker 3: this is around the corner. Responsibility starts here. You better

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Speaker 3: figure out what you're doing with this. Yeah, that's what

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Speaker 3: my parents did with me. And look at how great

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Speaker 3: I turned out. Not better at all?

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Speaker 2: Casey, well, I mean she does have that highly lucrative

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Speaker 2: It's what I do, It's what I chose to do

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Speaker 2: Paper route. You're you gonna start that?

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Speaker 3: Really?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: Who was kidding it?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: Who was doing a paper these days? No?

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Speaker 2: Now right, Okay, Well, it costs eight hundred and seventy

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Speaker 2: Four hundred and fourteen thousand. This is for a lifetime

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Speaker 1: By Is there another component? Oh yeah, Oh there's more.

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Speaker 3: Oh cheese, I've been just babbling like a cackling him.

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Speaker 2: Annual vacations one vacation per year over your lifetime one

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Speaker 2: vacation cost of two eight hundred and sixty seven dollars.

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Speaker 2: Owning pets will cost you nearly forty thousand dollars. This

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Speaker 2: Includes how much food, healthcare, and other expenses thirty nine

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, if you have a dog or a cat,

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Speaker 2: the final expense. And this is ridiculous, This one I

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Speaker 3: Backyard five hundred dollars.

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Speaker 1: That's when I went right.

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Speaker 2: I think backyard weddings, they're they're picking.

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Speaker 2: Who do we have coming up there?

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Speaker 3: She said, can't you at least let me have this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Nikki Kelly is going to join us next.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about this.

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Speaker 3: In light of this I ED I d C report

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Speaker 3: ask Nikki Kelly when that's coming out what she's hearing

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Speaker 2: She's going to join us next on ninety three w

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Speaker 2: ib manly will do and it tests.

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Speaker 1: For compensation.

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Speaker 3: You know, Casey, We've talked a lot on our show

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Speaker 3: Nicki Kelly, Hello, Hello, all right, So what have you

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Speaker 3: So what is the delay and when might we get

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Speaker 4: I think they're saying maybe late next week. It has

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Speaker 4: get the broad strokes of what they found. Now we're

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Speaker 4: told there's no criminal violations. I think a lot of

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Speaker 4: it seems like a lot of it is, yes, sort

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Speaker 3: So this is what I'm really struggling with as a

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Speaker 3: what happened here. And now ladies of the Indie Star

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Speaker 3: just talk about how this doesn't happen in the future.

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Speaker 3: These guys got all this money and nothing's going to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, see, I guess. But you know, there's certainly I

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Speaker 4: very helpful to the public. So you know, they're I

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Speaker 4: the future and make sure that conflicts are most more clear,

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Speaker 4: everyone knows who's representing who in certain things. They're going

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Speaker 2: and I recall when you came on this very program

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Speaker 2: any idea what that'll look like.

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Speaker 4: Well, yesterday at the IEDC meeting, they did announce some reforms,

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Speaker 4: they're changing. They're also shutting down the nonprofit foundation. They're

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Speaker 4: saying that the investments have to quote, stay in Indiana.

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Speaker 4: We'll see exactly how that's defined. But some of these entities,

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Speaker 4: you know, the money definitely went outside of the state.

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Speaker 4: And so those are a few of the things that

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Speaker 2: That's incredible, Rob, I mean, you just heard fabulous reporters

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Speaker 3: Yeah. We've been saying on this program for the years

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Speaker 3: the stuff they spend. The body on. Nicki Kelly the

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Speaker 3: H Okay. So, Nicki Kelly, is it going to get

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Speaker 3: any easier to figure out if we're getting any return

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Speaker 3: alluded to this and they're spot on, and I know

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Speaker 3: you guys have gone around around on this. It's almost

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean it's one thing when you give an

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Speaker 3: Niki Kelly from the Capitol Chronicle as our guest another

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Speaker 3: you guys, had this fabulous piece. We talked about it

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Speaker 4: What say you Yeah, I mean, basically, the way I

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Speaker 3: So this isn't a thing where people were coming to

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Speaker 3: mister Attorney General, can you back us up? It sounds

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he wanted it out there. Now. He says his

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Speaker 4: you know, we agree with most of the legal analysis

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Speaker 4: that they gave, but we are here in this community

448
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Speaker 4: and we get to judge whether there's a disruption. You

449
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Speaker 4: can't speculate on a disruption, and and our board members

450
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Speaker 4: are the ones who know the community, know what's happening

451
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Speaker 4: up here. They were basically saying, we'll handle this on

452
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Speaker 4: our own things.

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Speaker 3: Hey, speaking of Rokeita, you guys haven't done an article

454
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Speaker 3: on this, but I know you tweeted out about it.

455
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Speaker 3: There's some sort of apparent movement with his disciplinary case

456
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Speaker 3: with the from the Disciplinary Commission. What's going on with that?

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Speaker 4: Well, they were you know, incurridge by the Supreme Court

458
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Speaker 4: to try to mediate this and that you know, they

459
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Speaker 4: had a mediator as fined and we've known that. And

460
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Speaker 4: in the meantime, the Supreme Court had set certain deadlines

461
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Speaker 4: for exhibit lists and discovery and things like that to

462
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Speaker 4: prepare for a December hearing. And so basically both sides

463
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Speaker 4: came to the Supreme Court and have said that, you know,

464
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Speaker 4: apparently their conversations are quote fruitful or going well, so

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Speaker 4: they wanted to be able to delay a few of

466
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Speaker 4: those pre hearing deadlines. So I mean, I guess that's

467
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Speaker 4: you know, positive if both sides think those mediation sessions

468
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Speaker 4: are are working. But we still don't know, you know,

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Speaker 4: what that means or there's no none of the case

470
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Speaker 4: has been stopped yet, but apparently it's at least behind

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Speaker 4: behind closed doors. Once again, everything's buying closing. Of course,

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Speaker 4: things are going well for.

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Speaker 3: Them, But that's why you're one of the best in

474
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Speaker 3: the business. You take it from behind closed doors and

475
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Speaker 3: you put it out in the sunshine. Nikki Kelly from

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Speaker 3: the Indiana Capitol Chronicle, Thank you, Thank you guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Kendall and Casey on ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 3: What do you want to talk about?

479
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Speaker 2: I'm want to remind everybody about the two hour WIBC

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Speaker 2: radio documentary For the Love of Slick in the words

481
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Speaker 2: of Bob and Nancy Leonard. It's a audio special celebrating

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Speaker 2: the life and legacy of Bobby Slick Leonard and also

483
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Speaker 2: his wife, Nancy Leonard. You can find that at WIBC

484
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Speaker 2: dot com on the homepage and then just go to

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Speaker 2: the Specials tab to enjoy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So this this related to Nancy Leonard's passing yesterday. She

488
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Speaker 3: was ninety three, three years old, And obviously she is

489
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Speaker 3: best known as the wife of Slick Leonard, long time

490
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Speaker 3: Pacers coach, announcer, et cetera. And as a result of that,

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Speaker 3: she was etched into the legacy of Hoosiers everywhere. She

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Speaker 3: was an integral part of saving the saving the team

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Speaker 3: in the late seventies, the telethon that brought the kept

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Speaker 3: the Pacers in the city of Indianapolis. And you know,

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Speaker 3: obviously by Slick side through and through and even in

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Speaker 3: his passing, remained a fixture at Pacers games and events

497
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Speaker 3: and and so I think it was coincided with the

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Speaker 3: passing of Slick Leonard that the that the WIBC newsroom

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Speaker 3: had put together a documentary on the both of them.

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Speaker 3: And if you are a one, if you're a who's

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Speaker 3: your life or you would love this, but also if

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Speaker 3: you just happen to be a person that's interested in

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Speaker 3: the history of the city of Indianapolis, et cetera. I mean,

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Speaker 3: these people, the Leonards were so entrenched in what you

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Speaker 3: see today and because of the hard work they did

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Speaker 3: in the late seventies, certainly until the Simon family purchased

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Speaker 3: the Pacers in the early nineteen eighties, they're the reason

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Speaker 3: Pacers largely are still here in the city of Indianapolis.

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Speaker 3: It's a great documentary. Everbody should totally check it out

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Speaker 3: WIBC dot.

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Speaker 2: Com go to the specials tab. It says this tribute

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Speaker 2: offers an intimate look at the couple's extraordinary journey, their

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Speaker 2: impact on Indiana basketball, and their enduring love story. I've

514
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Speaker 2: got a couple food stories for you. This first one

515
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Speaker 2: involves Hershey. A federal judge dismissed a class action lawsuit

516
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Speaker 2: against Hershey, which claimed that the receis Halloween themed candies

517
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Speaker 2: misled their customer by showing spooky designs on the wrappers

518
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Speaker 2: that didn't actually appear on the actual chocolates.

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Speaker 3: Wait wait wait wait wait wait what wait a side,

520
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Speaker 3: somebody sued because the candy wasn't spooky enough, right, the.

521
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Speaker 2: Actual candy did not match what was on the package.

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Speaker 2: The judge said, eh, you suffered no economic injury. The

523
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Speaker 2: candy still tasted the same.

524
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Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa, who I feel like I missed a step here.

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Speaker 3: Somebody actually sued Hershey's because in the Halloween they always

526
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Speaker 3: make the spooky right, like the pumpkins.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Hershey cups are shaped like pumpkins. And the

528
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Speaker 2: person said, no, they're not scary. They're not spooky like

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Speaker 2: they are on the packs.

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Speaker 1: Well, they tried to say it was false advertising.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: Wow that's wild and they're actually that lawsuit. Actually, then

533
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Speaker 3: what went forward? What?

534
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Speaker 2: Yeah? The judge said, it's okay, you didn't suffer. The

535
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Speaker 2: candy still tasted the same. You may be disappointed, but

536
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Speaker 2: that's the end of it. The case targeted the peanut

537
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Speaker 2: butter pumpkins, the white ghosts, and the holiday shaped assortments.

538
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Speaker 2: They do it at Christmas as well with the snowmen

539
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Speaker 2: and stockings, and the guy who was suing said it

540
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Speaker 2: was deceptive advertising.

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Speaker 3: Okay, first of all, let's start with this. What's going

542
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Speaker 3: on in that guy's world where he gets the candies

543
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Speaker 3: and then he's like.

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Speaker 2: You didn't scare me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, these aren't spooky enough, These aren't This isn't scaring

546
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Speaker 3: me enough.

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Speaker 2: Who's I wanted to be scared more?

548
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Speaker 3: Who's ever gotten the candy at Halloween? Was like, I

549
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Speaker 3: am going to be disappointed if I'm not scared out

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Speaker 3: of my boxers.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't match.

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Speaker 2: And why would you want to be scared by your food?

553
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Speaker 2: Normally you don't want to be scared by your.

554
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Speaker 3: So they threw this out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, the judge said.

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Speaker 3: And good for the judge who said, you're you are

557
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Speaker 3: beyond ridiculous, sir, YEA, no soup for you.

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Speaker 2: He said that companies shouldn't profit from the misleading designs.

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Speaker 2: He plans to amend his complaint and go back again.

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Speaker 3: Oh he's not done.

561
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Speaker 2: No, he's not done. He's gonna try again. He's going

562
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Speaker 2: to rewrite it and see if he can finally win

563
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 2: some money against hershet Another food story for you, Convenience

564
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Speaker 2: stores are winning the breakfast battle. This is like the

565
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: wah wah, the sheets, the BUCkies, the Casey's General Store.

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Speaker 2: They're beating McDonald's in your favorite fast food location because

567
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Speaker 2: the traffic at the fast food joint is declining. However,

568
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Speaker 2: people are going into the convenience store because they have

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Speaker 2: the freshly prepared foods right there. What was that our

570
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Speaker 2: snacks and gas?

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Speaker 1: Wait?

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Speaker 3: Wait, wait, wasn't there an article the other day that

573
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Speaker 3: we were talking about the Casey's Pizza is like the

574
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Speaker 3: largest pizza yep chain in America.

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Speaker 2: Now yep, and now they're winning it breakfast.

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Speaker 3: Also, I wonder if that's because people just say, I

577
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Speaker 3: got to go in anyway, Right.

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Speaker 2: That's part of it, because not only can you get

579
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Speaker 2: your gas or anything else you need, they say, besides coffee,

580
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 2: they're buying their energy drinks, any fruit, granola, but also

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Speaker 2: the made to order breakfast sandwiches or in the case

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Speaker 2: of cases pizza.

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Speaker 3: Huh. That's crazy that we have like buying habits obviously

584
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 3: always change over time, but that's so crazy to me

585
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Speaker 3: that people are apparently, I guess, so pressed for time.

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Speaker 3: Although maybe because food has gotten so expensive, maybe the

587
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Speaker 3: gas station has been able to remain somewhat flat or

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Speaker 3: at least now competitive compared to the fast food joints

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Speaker 3: because of the spike and the rise of food that

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Speaker 3: people are like, well, if there's not that much difference

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Speaker 3: now now and it's passable, and it saves me a

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Speaker 3: trip to another parking lot, and you know that's ten

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Speaker 3: or fifteen because it really is.

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Speaker 1: It becomes ten or fifteen minutes out.

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Speaker 3: Of your day. You got to go across the street,

596
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 3: you got to get in the right lane, you got

597
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 3: to turn the right way, you gotta avoid the traffic.

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00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 3: Can buy a.

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Speaker 2: Breakfast sandwich at the gas station? Why don't you just

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Speaker 2: do that?

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Speaker 1: So interesting?

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00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: In the past three months, breakfast visits at the convenience

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Speaker 2: stores has risen nine percent. Fast food chains post COVID

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00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,719
Speaker 2: they've seen a one percent growth, but it's not at

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Speaker 2: the pace of the convenience stores.

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Speaker 3: So well, and how many times have we heard about

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Speaker 3: these fast food chains that are having major issues now

608
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Speaker 3: because of the price increases that they're starting to price

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Speaker 3: their customers out of I mean, let's face it, like

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00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 3: that little meal deal that McDonald's has where it's a

611
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 3: mcdouble and a chicken nugget and a fry and a

612
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 3: small soda for five bucks. It went up, by the way,

613
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 3: it's five point fifty now, of course it's not even

614
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Speaker 3: five dollars anymore. Yeah, it's kind of puny. It's kind

615
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: of puny.

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Speaker 2: Abdul's going to join us next.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he is saying for all those people doing a

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Speaker 3: victory lap over the Google appearing to fold their house

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Speaker 3: at least for now, at least for now in the

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Speaker 3: data center.

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Speaker 1: Not so fast. It could get worse.

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Speaker 2: It's ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 3: Well, it pains me to say this, Casey, what's that?

624
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Speaker 3: But if duel had an interesting point.

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Speaker 5: That must really hurt.

626
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Speaker 4: Right now.

627
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Speaker 5: I want some toms or an acid right now.

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Speaker 2: Somebody had a hotter take than him.

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Speaker 3: What wasn't so much? It's Kenel Casey over though, I'm

630
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Speaker 3: rob that's Casey. That's a that's a duel. You can

631
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Speaker 3: find him a dual. Keeps your bos over at indiepolitics

632
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 3: dot org. You said something in regards to this proposed

633
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 3: data center, the Google data center in Franklin Township, And

634
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Speaker 3: this thing is delayed for now. We don't know if

635
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Speaker 3: it's gonna be hold all together. But it's been, at

636
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 3: least for now delayed a couple of weeks. We'll figure

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00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 3: out exactly what's going on. And a lot of people

638
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 3: are very excited about this, and I think they have

639
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 3: a right to be. But you made an interesting point.

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00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 3: You said you better be careful what you wish for

641
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 3: because the next development could be even worse. Exactly.

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00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 5: Obviously, the Google data center was a controversial project. Now,

643
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 5: the folks in Franklin Township didn't want it, you know,

644
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 5: the noise of traffic, the whole nine yards. And I

645
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 5: get all that. However, my first point was number one,

646
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 5: your data on your phone's got to go somewhere. So

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Speaker 5: that's kind of point number one point number two, which

648
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 5: I thought, in a moment of non edible enhanced clarity

649
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Speaker 5: the day, you should do that more often. Yeah, I know,

650
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 5: tell me about the mine's on fire today. I thought

651
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 5: about It's like, wait a second. So let's say the

652
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Speaker 5: data center doesn't go there. Now the land the land

653
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 5: is currently rezoned as industrial BI could easily be changed

654
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Speaker 5: to residential the whole nine yard, that's right, And that

655
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 5: means that another that the landowner could basically sell the

656
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Speaker 5: land to a home developer. And I want to say

657
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Speaker 5: on that four hundred and something that not acre of land,

658
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 5: you can easily get at least two hundred three hundred homes.

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00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, buddy, I mean you think about a third

660
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Speaker 3: of an acre of property for the high density housing developments,

661
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 3: and some of them are a lot less, a lot

662
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 3: closer than that. It's called Brownsburg. Well you have right, yeah,

663
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 3: I mean that's why. So I just thought this was

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Speaker 3: interesting because I have now seen this in at least

665
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Speaker 3: one community with it where a data center has been proposed,

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Speaker 3: where they went to the residence and they said, look,

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Speaker 3: farmer Fred is selling his land one way or another.

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Speaker 3: You got three options. You got data center, you got warehouses,

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Speaker 3: you got high density housing development. And they laid them

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Speaker 3: out to the people and they were like, well, data

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Speaker 3: center seems the least obstructive of all the of all

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Speaker 3: the other options.

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Speaker 5: And then there's the fourth ops you can buy the

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Speaker 5: land yourselves.

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Speaker 3: Well, of course that's obviously not going to happen for

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Speaker 3: any regular person, but it is. It is sort of

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Speaker 3: the conundrum now, right of there are major, I think

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Speaker 3: we would agree rightful concerns about the data center, water electricity,

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Speaker 3: these incentives, the IEEDC being in the middle of it.

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Speaker 3: But if the guy I was gonna sell the land,

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Speaker 3: you're gonna have something there. It's not gonna be a

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Speaker 3: farm field forever, exactly.

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Speaker 5: And I always say the best way to get rid

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Speaker 5: of open field is move next door to it. It's

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Speaker 5: the best way to get of an open field. And

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Speaker 5: the thing is, think about it. You got the construction, uh,

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Speaker 5: you've got the traffic, you've got the congestion, you've got

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Speaker 5: the schools now because remember no, these are no family

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Speaker 5: homes because the family type environment, so the kids are

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Speaker 5: gonna need to go to school somewhere.

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Speaker 2: So is it your position that a data center would

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Speaker 2: be the lesser of the evils.

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Speaker 3: I don't think.

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Speaker 5: First of all, I don't think a data center is

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Speaker 5: evil at all. Okay, I've never thought that because, like

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Speaker 5: I said, the data's got to go somewhere now. Now,

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Speaker 5: somebody asked me the like, would you want a data

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Speaker 5: center no near your home? Like, well, if I had

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Speaker 5: FIGN is something not acres sure?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But the problem with the data centers, right, we

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Speaker 3: can agree it's not the data center. Like if Google

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Speaker 3: came in and said we're gonna put a billion dollar

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Speaker 3: building somewhere. Most people are like, Okay, that's cool. The

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Speaker 3: problem is all the freebies, which we don't even know

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Speaker 3: what it is because it's hit behind the ADC and

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Speaker 3: they get special abatements and the water and electricity, right,

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Speaker 3: they still have not You're guys at two hundred West Washington,

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Speaker 3: your friends got to do a much more Washington or

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Speaker 3: East Washington West Washington history. Yeah, yeah, right, they got

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Speaker 3: to do a much better job at one being transparent

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Speaker 3: and two laying out what the benefits to people are.

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Speaker 3: As do these people do in these projects, because right

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Speaker 3: now people don't see a lot of benefit to them

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Speaker 3: because of all these freebies and giveaways they're getting, and

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Speaker 3: there's these major concerns about utilities and natural resources.

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Speaker 5: I do think the tax debatements of the whole nine yard,

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Speaker 5: I think that is a fair discussion to have, and

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Speaker 5: I think that is fair and that that is a logical,

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Speaker 5: rational concern for anybody who wants to be a responsible taxpayer.

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Speaker 5: You want the economic development, yes, but do you want

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Speaker 5: the economic development to come at the risk of, you know,

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Speaker 5: people having to pay higher taxes. Let's water resources that

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Speaker 5: I get. However, I think with I think in this

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Speaker 5: situation here is something's going to go there is either

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Speaker 5: gonna be a data center or it's going to be

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Speaker 5: a bunch of homes. Which do you guys want? Which

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Speaker 5: do you prefer? Because it's not gonna say an open

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Speaker 5: field forever.

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Speaker 3: Abdul is our guest. You can find him over at

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Speaker 3: indiepolitics dot org. Okay, so Braun has come out and said, hey,

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Speaker 3: we're going to get on track with the i u

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Speaker 3: r C because the utility rates are a massive part

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Speaker 3: of the data center concerning We're going to point these

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Speaker 3: new people to the i u r C and their

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Speaker 3: mission is going to be to fight for the consumer,

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Speaker 3: fight for the rate pair. This seems a much different

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Speaker 3: tone than he was striking just a few months ago

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Speaker 3: when he was signing SMR bills that will definitely raise

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Speaker 3: everybody's utility rates. You're your eyes, You're always an eye

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Speaker 3: and ear on the ground. What what has changed here

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Speaker 3: was the public outcry just that bad.

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Speaker 5: I think I think part of was the public outcry.

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Speaker 5: And number two, if the project is going to go there,

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Speaker 5: you make sure all the eyes are dotted, all the

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Speaker 5: t's are crossed. And one of the folks on the

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Speaker 5: committee Dolling. Sure, I known Dolly for years. Her husbands

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Speaker 5: to be the head of DPW under Greg Ballats Hartman,

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Speaker 5: a public organs. So I've known Dolly for years and

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Speaker 5: I trust Dolly. And Dolly is also a Southsider who

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Speaker 5: lives south of I seventy and I trust her to

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Speaker 5: make sure that the taxpayers are protecting the right thing

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Speaker 5: is done.

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Speaker 3: All right, what are you working on now? What's going

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Speaker 3: on with the information?

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Speaker 5: Okay, well, well no, actually no, we're working actually on

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Speaker 5: data centers. We're gonna be doing some more talking about

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Speaker 5: the data center issue. And also well I'll be talking

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Speaker 5: to I guess it would be I don't know Jen

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Speaker 5: wier gen Z. A gen Z person is like a duel.

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Speaker 5: We're not all lazy, not al sue X are industrious.

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Speaker 3: So all right, find them at Indie politics dot org

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Speaker 3: and will keeps your boss.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: All right, Rob, that's going to do it for us today,

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Speaker 2: and that's going to do it for you for a

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Speaker 2: long weekend.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. I'll see in five days.

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Speaker 2: Okay, take a lot of yourself.

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Speaker 3: Don't ruin the show while I'm gone.

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Speaker 2: I'll do my best. You stay out of jail okay,

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Speaker 2: lock yourself in your house.

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Speaker 3: You have just so. You've set the bar solo Foray.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Rob, thank you Kevin, and thank you for

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Speaker 2: listening today. This has been Kendall and Casey on ninety

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Speaker 2: three w IBC