1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: There is no plan. 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 2: Are you sure about that? 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 3: No, there's no other way you can interpret that interview 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 3: this morning. Then there is no plan on how to 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 3: handle economic development in the state of Indiana. 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 4: So Governor Mike Brown was on this morning on WIBC 7 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 4: and he was talking about a lot of things, but 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 4: one of them was data centers, and we're going to 9 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 4: have a big conversation about that later this morning. 10 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: It's justly gonna be I mean, I'm so excited for this. 11 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 3: So coming up ten o'clock, James Briggs and Jacob Stewart 12 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 3: are the columnists for Indie Star and they have written 13 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 3: incredibly different opinion pieces on this proposed Google data center 14 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 3: in Franklin Township, which we'll get to that in a second, 15 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 3: because look, legalized bribery is such a strong word, casey, 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 3: But anyway, they're going to they're going to go back 17 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 3: and forth at each other on these airwaves on some 18 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 3: of the stuff they said in their columns. 19 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: About these express opposing views. 20 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, about these data centers. That's coming up at ten o'clock. 21 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 3: But first, so Braun, the Governor went on with Tony 22 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 3: Katz this morning, and I could spend the whole hour 23 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 3: talking about the interview. But one of the things that 24 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 3: you realize is there is no coherent strategy for economic 25 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 3: development in the state of Indiana. And that's why we 26 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 3: get such bad economic development policy. There is no concrete 27 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 3: or at least publicly espouse concrete here's what we're trying 28 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 3: to do, here's what we're trying to accomplish, here's how 29 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 3: we're going to do it. 30 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,479 Speaker 1: And one of the. 31 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 3: Things, like this is totally from a local level. When 32 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 3: I was a local elected official in our community, when 33 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: I got elected, the economic development policy was like the 34 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 3: Wild West, like they were just basically whatever the Economic 35 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 3: Development Commission wanted to do, and then they would kind 36 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 3: of just dare the council, who is a bunch of 37 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 3: largely uninformed people to veto the decision they made. And 38 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 3: I said, this is ridiculous. I said, there is no 39 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: reason for a lack of coherency or a lack of 40 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 3: a coherent, streamlined policy that when someone comes to your community, 41 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 3: here's what we have available. We're not budging off of this. 42 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 3: If you like it, great, If you don't, you can 43 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 3: go somewhere else. And the reality is, if you create 44 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 3: a tax climate that is beneficial to everyone. The people 45 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 3: will want to come here, the businesses should want to 46 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 3: come here. 47 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: But what we have instead, and that's what we did. 48 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 3: We said, look, we're going to cut the tax rate 49 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 3: across the board for everybody. We're going to have a 50 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 3: lowered tax rate for every single person, and that is 51 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 3: going to be the incentive driver for you to want 52 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 3: to come here. If you're a business, you'll be under 53 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 3: the three percent cap, regardless if you're a megacorp or 54 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 3: a mom and pop business, whatever you are. 55 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: And that worked. 56 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 3: The problem is in the state of Indiana and in 57 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 3: many of these communities, they just pick winners and losers. 58 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 3: They say, we like you, so we're going to roll 59 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 3: out or whatever you offer, whatever we think you bring 60 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 3: to the table. So we're gonna roll out all these 61 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 3: special incentives, and we're gonna do it through a shadow 62 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 3: quasi government operation, the Indian Economic Development Corporation, where it'll 63 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 3: take the media and government watchdogs months, if not years 64 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 3: to figure out what we've exactly offered. 65 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 2: Ue scrambled these eggs right, right. 66 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 3: And so if we like you, we'll give you hundreds 67 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 3: of millions of dollars in incentives. If we don't you 68 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 3: get nothing, but nobody knows what this is actually all 69 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 3: about or what they're trying to accomplish. And Mike Brawn, 70 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 3: even by his own standards, Casey, even by the very 71 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 3: low bar the governor dementia patient has set for himself, he. 72 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: May have hopped this. 73 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 3: Maybe the ull timost stupid thing I've ever heard and 74 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 3: elected officials say out loud, in which he basically told 75 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 3: Tony Katz, I don't care what the development is, just 76 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 3: bring it. 77 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: Just listen to this. 78 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 5: Indiana is gonna take it carefully. Where when there's something 79 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 5: new like this, I'm going to measure it based upon 80 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 5: what I told you. It's not a categorical yes or no. 81 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 5: We want to be open for business to anyone that 82 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 5: wants to come here and invests. 83 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: Boss says, no, you don't. 84 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 3: If that's the case, then why why don't we have dispensaryes, 85 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 3: marijuana dispensaries. 86 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: On every corner? 87 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 2: Good point. 88 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 3: Clearly, you don't want to be open to every single 89 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 3: business because you have a If the issue is money, 90 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 3: if these is a lack of revenue, you have hundreds 91 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 3: of millions of dollars at your disposal, which is repeatedly rejected. 92 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 3: Why because big Pharma in this state, who gives to 93 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 3: all of these politicians disgusting amounts up to these politicians. 94 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: They don't want it, doesn't want any part of it. 95 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 3: So bull Governor Demensia patient once again either lied out 96 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 3: of his ass or he's suffering from a serious head 97 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 3: injury where he doesn't understand what's going on. 98 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 5: Go. If it's going to have impact, that's not along 99 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 5: with high paying jobs. You got to bait many of 100 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 5: these out of the gate to where they don't even 101 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 5: get the benefit of local property tax revenue. It's got 102 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 5: to be more balanced than what's come out of the gate. 103 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 5: Of course, we want any investment to come here. 104 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: Possib powsive. No, you don't, No, you don't. 105 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 3: People, the public sentiment is overwhelmingly in support, certainly of 106 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 3: medical marijuana, certainly at the very least. But the public 107 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 3: sentiment pull after ball has showed full legalization. 108 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: It's a slam dunk. 109 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 3: Politicians never turn away from that sort of policy with 110 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 3: that sort of approval rating unless there's a large group 111 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 3: of donors and special interests who don't want it. 112 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: So don't tell me you're for all economic development. But 113 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: if you are. That's even more asinine than you're not well. 114 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 4: He talks about any high paying jobs these data centers. 115 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 4: They're not offering multitudes of high paying jobs, right. 116 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 3: And the problem is your Economic Development Corporation, mister Braun, 117 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 3: when you volunteered the previous word volun told themselves out 118 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 3: the door, and then you brought all your own people 119 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 3: in the first action they took keV, can you rewind 120 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 3: like I don't know, like ten seconds on that where 121 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 3: he's talking about the data centers and the problems with 122 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 3: the data center's talking about the abatements, et cetera. 123 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 5: You got to abate many of these out of the 124 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 5: gate to where they don't even get the benefit of 125 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 5: local property tax revenue. It's got to be more balanced 126 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 5: than what's come out of the gay pause. 127 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 3: The problem with that, mister Braun, Governor dementia patient is 128 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 3: your Economic Development. 129 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: Corporation, who you just appointed the board. 130 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 3: Their very first action was hundreds of millions of dollars 131 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 3: in incentives for these data centers. How do you on 132 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,559 Speaker 3: one hand layout which he's right what he's saying there. 133 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 3: The problem is his mouth is writing a check. His 134 00:06:55,400 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 3: actions don't cash. Like I've always made out to be 135 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 3: the crazy one. 136 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: I'm always made out. 137 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 3: To be the bad guy here, Casey Kevin, Okay, go ahead, 138 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 3: play the end of it. 139 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: I want to make sure we didn't miss anything. 140 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 5: Of course, we want any investment to come here, but 141 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 5: not if it's going to do things that have unintended 142 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 5: consequences or it doesn't make sense for local rule in 143 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 5: terms of what local government wants to do and the 144 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 5: citizens that raise their voice one way or the other. 145 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 4: Okay, he's only pointing out what local government wants. What 146 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 4: about what the people of the state want? What about 147 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 4: all the energy consumption? What about the water usage? What 148 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 4: about the character of the state? Right not paying attention 149 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 4: to those things? 150 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 3: And what he's not addressing or refusing to address, or 151 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 3: he's so uninformed about his own policies, is they would 152 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 3: not be coming here just based on a local property 153 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 3: tax abatement. They would not be doing that. That's part 154 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 3: of the equation they're getting those which is a huge incentive. 155 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 3: They're coming here based on real money or real abatement 156 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 3: coming from the State of Indiana. You, mister Braun, are 157 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 3: facilitating you, mister Braun, Your Indian Economic Development Corporation is 158 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 3: facilitating these people coming here if you were not giving 159 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 3: that away, which you can't blame that on Holcome anymore 160 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 3: because your people just did this. Your people, four of them, 161 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 3: gave the incentives away. So that's now on you. You 162 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 3: are bribe, legalized bribe, legalized bribery. 163 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: Right, these people to come here. 164 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 3: We will give you this stuff to come here, So 165 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 3: you can't lament the process when you have just done 166 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 3: the process. All right, real quick, I want to play 167 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 3: this because keV was pulling audio like a madman this morning. 168 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 3: He also was talking about this consumer advocate that is 169 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 3: lobbying and now in charge of lobbying on behalf of 170 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 3: the consumer so us. 171 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: The rate payers. 172 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 2: Abby Gray is her name, right, She was just. 173 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 1: Just appointed to this position and. 174 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 3: This she has come out, she being Abby Gray, the 175 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 3: new consumer advocate, has come out forcefully against the AEES 176 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 3: proposed rate increase and is arguing that their rate should 177 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 3: actually be lowered, not just veto the rate increase, but 178 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 3: actually lower the rates. Here's what he had to say 179 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 3: about her. 180 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 5: So, Abby Gray is a new counselor for consumers when 181 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 5: it comes to the rate payer side of the discussion. 182 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 5: She's got a lot of experience in it, and that 183 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 5: in her analysis, I think was what she thought. She's 184 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 5: in a position of independence there that the rate hikes 185 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 5: have been too commonplace without taking the other side of 186 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 5: the equation in the consideration. So her recommendation, it's not 187 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 5: a small decrease, but it is one, and I think 188 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 5: it's mostly to show that, hey, you're not a juggernaut 189 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 5: that gets everything you want without discussion, and yet we 190 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 5: need electric generation with the new demand out there for 191 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 5: demand for electricity was flat as a pancake. We only 192 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 5: produced twenty gigs in our entire state. 193 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: Okay, but family, I want to make sure I get 194 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: to this. 195 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 3: Forget to break the demand is because of you and 196 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 3: the government, mister Braun. You are creating this by by 197 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 3: giving people money to come here. Mister Braun, Yeah, you 198 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 3: are doing this. The state government is doing this. 199 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 4: Wait a minute, are you telling me that the government 200 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 4: just created a problem and then rose their hand and 201 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 4: said we know how to solve the problem that we created. 202 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 3: And the other problem, mister Braun, you have proven yourself 203 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 3: repeatedly unwilling to stand up to the Indiana General Assembly, 204 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 3: and so when you have glorified mafia figures like Ed Soliday, 205 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 3: State Rep. Who's in charge of utilities? Who's strong arming 206 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 3: local mayors? We had that was at Portage? Was that 207 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 3: where the mayor was from? That Austin Bonta guy take dinner. 208 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 3: You know he was strong arming him, basically saying, if 209 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 3: you speak out against the IURC again, I'm gonna do 210 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 3: what I can or these rate increases again, I'm gonna 211 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 3: do what I can to make sure your city doesn't 212 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 3: get any and funding. 213 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: Well, if, mister Braun, if you're not willing to. 214 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 3: Stand up to the General Assembly, which you've said very 215 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 3: specifically during the property text debate and very specifically as 216 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 3: it relates to redistricting, you're not willing to do that, 217 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 3: then why would anybody believe anything you say? Oh and 218 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 3: by the way, Abby Gray, the consumer advocate, she doesn't matter. 219 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: You know who matters the iu r C and you're controlling. 220 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 3: The new appointments and if you don't want any more ratingcreases, 221 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 3: you could very specifically say to anybody interviewing for that position, 222 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 3: how do you feel about rat increases? If the answer 223 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 3: is yes, they're out, you control everything. He acts like 224 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 3: he's an innocent victim in all of this and that 225 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 3: was so gross what he said on Tony Show this morning. 226 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: It is Kennell and Casey. It's ninety three WYBC. 227 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: Okay, you cannot you cannot expect. This is true in 228 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: all facets of life. 229 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 3: If you're gonna poke a big bear, that think the 230 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 3: big bearing will strike back eventually. As someone who spent 231 00:11:55,400 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 3: their entire adult life poking various sized bears, you just 232 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 3: got to accept that when you anger somewhat of power 233 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 3: or of influence or whatever, that they are going to 234 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 3: do everything in their power to crush you. And sadly, 235 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 3: I think our farmers are paying for what Donald Trump 236 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 3: is doing in the trade wars. 237 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, let's be specific. We're talking about soybean farmers. You've 238 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 4: seen soybean fields. 239 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: They're beautiful. How you're a fear of them, Casey? They're beautiful. 240 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, They're entering harvest season and they're going to be 241 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 4: struggling because the largest buyer of soybeans is who China? 242 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 2: Correct, and guess what, China does not. 243 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 4: Want American soybeans right now because of the tariffs. 244 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 245 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 3: So this is where we talk about and we come 246 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 3: back to the thing with Elon Musk to go full 247 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 3: cruggle with the Doge when Musk came in and we 248 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 3: had Mitch Daniels on and talked with him about this, 249 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 3: about how he reformed the State of Indiana. Just because 250 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 3: your cause is worthy doesn't mean you're going about it 251 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 3: in a worthy fashion. And what I mean by that 252 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 3: is people humans generally tend to consume bad news better 253 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 3: in incremental amounts. Now me, it's like I crave conflict. 254 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 3: So if you got something wrong with me, you just 255 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 3: put it out there, big boy. 256 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: Let's just have it out and be done with it. 257 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 3: But most people, you know what, you get more flat 258 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 3: what's the thing, You get more flies with honey than 259 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 3: you do vinegar bees or whatever. The saying is right, 260 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 3: And in the terms of the government reforms doesn't mean 261 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 3: all that stuff didn't need to be taken care of, 262 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 3: but you would have been far more effective showing people 263 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 3: small victories and over time building up so that people 264 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 3: can get used to the idea. They can understand Okay, 265 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 3: they took that away, Look it turns out we didn't 266 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 3: need it. And then you build, which is what Mitch 267 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 3: Daniels did in the State of Indiana when he was 268 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 3: in the. 269 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: Process of governmental reform. 270 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 3: The same thing is true with the tariffs, in which 271 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 3: you didn't get in this mess overnight and trying to 272 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 3: get out of it overnight. One it recoils portions of 273 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 3: the public who are. 274 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: Going to be paying more for things. 275 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 3: We've seen the prices of things continuing to increase, even 276 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 3: though Donald Trump ran on inflation. But it also alienates 277 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 3: the people that you are doing business with who do 278 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 3: have leverage over you. We act like this is we 279 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 3: have become so dependent on China for so many things, 280 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 3: or some of these other countries, but especially China that 281 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 3: you what, thought there wasn't going to be any blowback, 282 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 3: There wasn't going to be any pushback. And now China 283 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 3: is executing their leverage that they have, which they're always 284 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 3: going to do anyway. But incrementalism and building this up 285 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 3: as you know, a ten year plan or whatever would 286 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 3: have been a far better process in my mind than this, 287 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 3: because now you're seeing industries that are going to be directly, 288 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 3: directly impacted and in a major way. 289 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 290 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 4: So, China historically was the largest buyer of US soybeans, 291 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 4: and now they're sourcing them from South America instead. Thirty 292 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 4: percent of the soybean crop is typically exported, with China 293 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 4: being the main destination and now smaller mart we're going 294 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 4: to be dependent on smaller markets like Japan and South 295 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 4: Korea and even Colombia. And the bushel the ten dollars 296 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 4: per bushel last year, it's cut down to around eight 297 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 4: dollars and eighty cents this year, cutting into the farmer's profits. 298 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 2: But here's the thing to consider. 299 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 4: In the twenty four election, Donald Trump won about seventy 300 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 4: eight percent of the votes from farming dependent counties. And 301 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 4: now are they questioning that decision because it's directly affecting them. 302 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 5: Oh. 303 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 3: Look, if you're going to enter the world economy, you 304 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 3: have to accept there's going to be intense ramifications if 305 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 3: you try to. 306 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: Strong arm. 307 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 3: And I'm look, I'm not saying China doesn't need to 308 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 3: be put in its place, but you cannot if you're 309 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 3: going to do it all in. We'll try to do 310 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 3: it all in one swipe. Expect that there's not going 311 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 3: to be some pretty serious ramifications for doing that. It's 312 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 3: true with any facet of your existence. And that's why 313 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 3: from the beginning, whether it was DOGE or whether it 314 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 3: was the tariffs, I have advocated for a more measured, 315 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 3: long term approach that will over time solve the issue, 316 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 3: but without hopefully the sort of blowback that we're about 317 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 3: to see on things like farmers being able to sell 318 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 3: their soybeans to other countries. 319 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 4: It's not only affecting this year, though. You have to 320 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 4: consider what this is doing long term, because young farmers 321 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 4: are the most who are at risk because they lack 322 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 4: the net worth and working capital that older farmers have 323 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 4: to sustain them through the hard times, the financial strain. 324 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 2: It's making it really tough for them. 325 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 4: So I mean bankruptcy filings among farmers have soared in 326 00:16:58,960 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 4: twenty twenty five. 327 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 3: You just hit it out of the park with that casey, 328 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 3: And because what you're seeing is a new generation of 329 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 3: people taking over these long held family farms who between 330 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 3: the property taxes which weren't addressed in the property tax 331 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 3: bill with any sort of viability and things like this, 332 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 3: they just simply say, well, I could just sell this 333 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 3: and make it a housing development. 334 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 2: Or put a data center there, right exactly. 335 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 3: So, like all of these things are at play, and 336 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 3: when you keep making it harder for people to make 337 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 3: money in a profession, they're going to just leave the 338 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 3: profession and farming is absolutely no different. 339 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: And all right, let's take a break. 340 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 3: We were going to get into the Franklin Township Google 341 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 3: data center this segment, but I didn't feel like we 342 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 3: had enough time, so as well, you know what the 343 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 3: least fair part of every show is, And I think 344 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 3: we're seeing something play out, Casey. We'll talk about it 345 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:49,479 Speaker 3: when we come back. 346 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 2: It's Kennilly Casey on ninety three WIBC. 347 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 3: Okay, we're going to get to this Google stuff with 348 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 3: Franklin Township, but things keep happening that get in our way. 349 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 3: And the big news that is just breaking is that 350 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 3: Robert Redford has passed away at the age of eighty nine. Now, 351 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 3: before we get into him real quick, what I find 352 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 3: fascinating is so, I mean, the announcement just came down 353 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 3: and already there's just website after website after website with 354 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 3: very detailed bios. And so you obviously spend a lot 355 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 3: of time in the entertainment industry or on the TV 356 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 3: side of things. Do they just have these things in 357 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 3: the can for older people sometimes? 358 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 5: Really? 359 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like hey, Carl's saying thumb, Yeah, Carl spent time 360 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 3: in Hollywood. He knows, Carl said. Tony's producer said, yes, 361 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 3: they do have just these. That's kind of morbid, isn't it. Hey, 362 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 3: he's getting old. We think he's going to kick the 363 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 3: buckets soon. Get that bio on ice. 364 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 4: Well, when they get older and they haven't put out 365 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 4: new work, it's it's not like they have to keep 366 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 4: him updated. 367 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 2: You know, once they make it once maybe just one 368 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 2: or two bullet points. 369 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's why I got to keep putting out new. 370 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: I'm going to keep putting out new, new things, so 371 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: they have to keep updating my bio. 372 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 2: Uh huh, don't fade away, right. 373 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 4: Robert Redford golden boy, good looks, and of course he 374 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 4: was the founder of the Sundance Film Festival as well, 375 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 4: iconic movie star, and many people would consider Brad Pitt 376 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 4: the current Robert Redford. 377 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you think about from the late sixties, well 378 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 3: into the nineteen seventies, I mean one like he was 379 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 3: just on such a run there. 380 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: So it started started kind of with Butch. 381 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 3: Casting, the Sundance Kid, the sting, the way we were 382 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 3: all the President's men, and then you know in sports 383 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 3: fans will remember him from the natural he was in 384 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 3: the legend of Bagger Vance later in life. I mean, 385 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 3: the guy had a ton of mega hits as a 386 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 3: movie star, and then as a director he was highly 387 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 3: successful as well well. 388 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 4: And he was a champion of independent films, obviously with Sundance. 389 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 4: So I think that there are some big names that 390 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 4: could credit their success to him, like Quentin Tarantino and 391 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 4: the Cohen Brothers and Steve Soderberg as well. 392 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 3: Reading you know, because like I said, all of these 393 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 3: websites have bios, and I, you know, I sometimes enjoy 394 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 3: when somebody's passed away just comparing biographies like how did 395 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 3: one website write it versus another? And reading how they 396 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 3: kind of how did you paint this person's life versus 397 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 3: compared to because it's really an individual working for these 398 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 3: organizations that are you know, putting these things together. And 399 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 3: in the on the NPR one that this was interesting 400 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 3: at the very end of the article they were talking 401 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 3: about his sort of how compared to certainly other celebrities, 402 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 3: he lived a relatively laid back, you know, private existence, 403 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 3: and while he was a liberal, I don't think he 404 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 3: was overly bombastic or flamboyant in his approach to politics. 405 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 3: And I was reading this quote from him about the 406 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 3: sort of lifestyle and. 407 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: His thoughts on. 408 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 3: People's sort of fascination with celebrities, and he said this, 409 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 3: and I think this is spot on. He said, quote, 410 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 3: I think that people should be paying a lot more 411 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 3: attention to issues rather than who's the top ten this 412 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 3: or the top five, or who's the sexiest or the 413 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 3: most beautiful or this or that. And I think that's 414 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 3: absolutely right in the sense of people get so fascinated 415 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 3: with things that mean absolutely nothing and spend all this 416 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 3: time on things that in no way affect their actual existence, 417 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 3: and then won't put the least bit of effort or 418 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 3: time into things that have dramatic impact on your life 419 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 3: every single in. 420 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 4: Your daily life. Let's talk about some of his movies. 421 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 4: Can we all The President's Men? Nineteen seventy six he 422 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 4: played Bob Woodward, political thriller about the Watergate scandal. 423 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 2: Do you ever watch that one? 424 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 5: Oh? Yes? 425 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 4: How about the Sting? He played Johnny Hooker, con artist. 426 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 4: Of course, he co starred with Paul Newman in that one. 427 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 4: Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid The Way We Were 428 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 4: with barbar streisand or ordinary people as well, And he 429 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 4: was working, I mean his entire life up until just recently. 430 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: All right, before we get. 431 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 3: To the Google Data center, I did want to point 432 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 3: out you did something fabulous for me today. 433 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: I'm holding these up on YouTube chat. You can see this. 434 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is really important stuff. 435 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 3: Rop Casey has been for years bragging about her baking 436 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 3: prowess and uh, and I said. 437 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 4: Well, you shamed me the other day. I mentioned it 438 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 4: and you said, he never bring anything in for me. 439 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're totally invested in yourself and I've never 440 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 3: from my family. 441 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: But whatever, And today I'll get over it. 442 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 5: Lady. 443 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: It's you and your husband now there we No, I. 444 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 4: Baked a lot when he went to go see her 445 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 4: in Baltimore for yourself. 446 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 2: You know, it was for them to take oh to 447 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 2: tame to Baltimore. 448 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 5: Yeah. 449 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, regardless of who you claim to be doing 450 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 3: it for, you're never doing it for me. And today 451 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 3: you brought in some homemade cookies. I did, and I 452 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 3: can say that these are fabulous cookies. 453 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 2: Did you have one? 454 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 5: Oh? 455 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: Yes? 456 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 3: And because I am a selfless individual, keV here catch this. keV, 457 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 3: you may have one of those as well as Caleb, 458 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 3: who keV is training because that's. 459 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: What I am. 460 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 3: I always try to share my life and my good 461 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 3: fortune with the with the masses. 462 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 4: So the dude, Jim did just tell me my husband 463 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 4: he said that this batch of cookies wasn't as good 464 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 4: as my last patch, Like. 465 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 2: Whatever, this was kind of a Frankenstein batch. I mean 466 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 2: the rest the recipe. 467 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 4: Was fine, but I didn't have the exact amount of 468 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 4: chocolate chips. But I had a little bit of leftover 469 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 4: of the butter scotch chips. Oh, I see, so there's 470 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 4: a couple butterscotch in with the chocolate chip. 471 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 2: You know this is important, still, you I'm saving the 472 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 2: world with these cookies. 473 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 3: keV Caleb, you guys be nice. Be nicer to Casey 474 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 3: than her husband. 475 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 2: Was actually saving my own mental health woman. 476 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: But we'll let it go this time. 477 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 2: That's what that's what I do. I bake when I 478 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 2: just need to. 479 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: keV, what do you. 480 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 2: Say something else? It's very good. It's nice and soft. Yeah, 481 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 2: it's I think it's got the right amount of sugar 482 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 2: in it. 483 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 4: Cases cookies right there, Maybe we're onto something right, very good. 484 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 2: I want you to product. 485 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 3: Okay, let's take a break and then we will get 486 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 3: to the well legalized bribery is such a strong word, 487 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 3: but I don't know what else we would call it. 488 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 3: With Google trying to get this data center going. 489 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 4: Directly news, I mean, the school district said, yeah, we're 490 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 4: behind this, So are we gonna. 491 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 2: Talk about it coming out? 492 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 4: We'll talk about why it's Kendall and Casey it's ninety 493 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 4: three WYBC. 494 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 3: Okay, if you have an e gaming facility at your 495 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 3: school system, I don't think you get to complain about 496 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 3: lack of money. 497 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 2: Yeah you're doing okay. 498 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: So this is I did not know this. 499 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 3: The Franklin Township School System, I think it was their 500 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 3: superintendent was on our news gathering partners at WISH TV 501 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 3: earlier this year and was talking about an e gaming 502 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 3: facility that is now a part of the school system. 503 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: And you hear that, and then when you. 504 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 3: Tell, like what I told you, they have not one, 505 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 3: but two football fields now in Brownsburg with the turf 506 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 3: and the new blue cures, and think for the fieldhouse 507 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 3: the gym, th like you just look at this and 508 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 3: go You people are gross to ever and I mean 509 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 3: ever talk about a lack of money or resources available 510 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 3: to you. And yet the Franklin Township School System is 511 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 3: trying to stab every one of their citizens in the 512 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 3: back and cut some sort of deal with the devil. 513 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 3: In this case, the devil is the Google Google and 514 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 3: their and their dystopian data center, because they're claiming Senate 515 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 3: Bill one is taking revenue. 516 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: Away from that. 517 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 2: That's right. 518 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 4: So the Franklin Township Community School Corporation, they announced their 519 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 4: support for the Google Data Center project. 520 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 2: Listen to this, they said. 521 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 4: The state of Indiana has already recognized the strain on 522 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 4: homeowners through the passage of Sea one SB one, which 523 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 4: reduces property tax burdens for families. While that relief is 524 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 4: important for residents, it provides no mechanism for schools to 525 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 4: replace that revenue that is lost. 526 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: That was the premise of the whole thing. You people 527 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: have too much money. You've taken too much for too long. 528 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: They go on to say. 529 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 4: The only way a community can increase and expand that 530 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 4: revenue stream is by bringing in commercial development. 531 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 2: This project does exactly that. 532 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 3: Okay, here's the problem with all this. Number One, you 533 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 3: have an e gaming facility. An e gaming facility, what 534 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 3: that's where kids play Nintendo games? Is that right? That's 535 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 3: for kids to go play? Get keV you're the young 536 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 3: person that's an e gaming facility. That's where they teach 537 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 3: kids how to play Nintendo. 538 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: Is that right? 539 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 2: Something like that? 540 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 3: Like okay, so you have enough money to do that, 541 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 3: but not enough money to do the basics of education 542 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 3: without bringing in some dystopian data center that's going to 543 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 3: make the utilities rich and drain the pockets of your 544 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 3: tax base. Like that is so offensive for them to 545 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 3: allude to that. But this is the culture we have bred, Casey. 546 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 3: We have created this by repeatedly allowing the public education system, 547 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 3: unlike any other government entity, to use children as human 548 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 3: shields to get whatever the people in charge their grandiose 549 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 3: desire of the day. Maybe we have created this environment 550 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 3: in which this insanity, in which, like the Morsville superintendent 551 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 3: can say, well, I'm gonna have to shut off all 552 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 3: the lights in morsel Hey, the light's still on cinebil 553 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,479 Speaker 3: one past or the lights still on in Morrisville. Can 554 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 3: someone let me know if the Morsville school system still 555 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 3: has their lights on at this point. 556 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 2: Right somebody doing a drive by the school let us know. 557 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 3: Now, in this case, if I could talk to this guy, 558 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 3: the first thing I would ask him is what revenue 559 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 3: do you think you're going to be getting in the 560 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 3: immediate future when you factor in all the freebies that 561 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 3: are proposed to give away to these people, these people 562 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 3: being Google from the indian Economic Development Corporation and the 563 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 3: abatement that your local government is going to give them. 564 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: What is all this money? And if you are you. 565 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 3: So tight to the tight to are you so tight 566 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 3: on how you've managed and spent your money that it's 567 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 3: going to take a dystopian, lifeless bland data center in 568 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 3: order for you to be able to pay your bills? 569 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: Is that what you're telling me about your financial management? 570 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 3: Because I'm gonna come back to the eGaming center case. 571 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: I don't think you know. 572 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 3: I don't think that's a sink or a science lab 573 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 3: or a book, It's an e gaming center. And so 574 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 3: now Google has promised certain giveaways to the Franklin Township 575 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,479 Speaker 3: school System because they know this thing's going down. And 576 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,479 Speaker 3: there are sixteen counselors on the Indianapolis City County Council 577 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 3: who have said we're done with this. If they get fifteen, 578 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 3: the thing gets voted down. And so now Google is scrambling. 579 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 3: And what's the first thing they did go to the school. 580 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 3: They went to the school because they know that the schools, 581 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 3: unlike any other government entity, will not hesitate to use 582 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 3: a child as a human shield to get their desire. 583 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 3: That people run those school systems, not every school system, 584 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 3: but many of them, just like we're seeing Franklin Township 585 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 3: are gross disgusting people. 586 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 4: Okay, So they're going to vote on that on September 587 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 4: twenty second, and if approved, that facility will join Google's 588 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 4: global network of nearly two dozen data centers. I think 589 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 4: we need to just back up for just one second 590 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 4: and explain what data centers are. 591 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 2: We're hearing this word. It's being thrown around. 592 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 4: Heck, there's billboards outside of Chicago proclaiming how wonderful it 593 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 4: is that the data centers are coming. 594 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: Great, go there, all of them. 595 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 4: Go. 596 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 2: So what these are? 597 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 5: There? 598 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 4: Secure warehouse like facilities and they house servers to process 599 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 4: and store data, email, video streaming, cloud storage, artificial intelligence. 600 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 4: But another thing that they do is they play an 601 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 4: important part in national security. So my question is not 602 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 4: just the electricity and the water usage and changing up 603 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 4: the character of the land here in Indiana. What is 604 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 4: the plan for security of these data centers? 605 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 3: Great question and so coming up next segment, top of 606 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,719 Speaker 3: next hour, it's going to be a really fun segment. 607 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 3: So James Briggs and Jacob Stewart, who are the columnists 608 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 3: for The Indie Star, have vastly different views on this 609 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 3: specific project, but I think also data centers in general, 610 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 3: and they've written columns about this. And so we said, well, 611 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 3: these guys are both friends of our show, we have 612 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 3: them on our show, why don't we have them in 613 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 3: together and we'll just for once, people won't yell at me, 614 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 3: they'll yell at each other, and we'll just sort of narrate, 615 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 3: or not narrate, officiate the conversation. And so those guys 616 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 3: are going to join us next segment because look, this 617 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 3: is a super important deal. And one of the arguments 618 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 3: I think Briggs is going to make, which is true, 619 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 3: which we have made on this program, is they're not 620 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 3: going to go away. If Google in Franklin Township fails, 621 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 3: it's only Google is going to throw up their hands 622 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 3: and go, well, I guess we're done. 623 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: They're Google. They're one of those powerful corporations. 624 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 3: In the world with unlimited resources at their disposal. 625 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: They're going to try to go somewhere else. In central Indiana. 626 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 3: And this is where I get very frustrated with this, 627 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 3: because it would be one thing if these data centers, 628 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 3: these companies came in and said, Okay, we're gonna come in, 629 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 3: we're gonna pay a full freight, We're gonna pay our 630 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 3: full responsibilit our personal property taxes are our real property taxes, 631 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 3: all these things. From the get go, I would stub 632 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 3: major concerns about the electrical use and the water use and. 633 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: How we would resolve that. But they don't. 634 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 3: They come in with mass incentive incentives from the taxpayers. 635 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 3: When they don't, there's no reason to give it to them. 636 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 3: They need two things to operate. They need vast swaths 637 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 3: of land and they need water. 638 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 4: Well, and less than one third of data centers actually 639 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 4: track their water consumption. 640 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: Exactly my point. 641 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 3: Indiana has the two things that these data centers crave, 642 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 3: and they can't just go anywhere. And get why we're 643 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 3: giving these people a single incentive an abatement in the IDC. 644 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 3: Any of this stuff is beyond me because they only 645 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 3: can go so many places. They they can't just go 646 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 3: to Phoenix, Arizona, you know, unless they have some private 647 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 3: you know, water reserve or whatever they're they're looking for. 648 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 3: They can't they can't just go to New Mexico. Like 649 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 3: there are certain things they have to have in order 650 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 3: to operate, and they don't. 651 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: They don't have it everywhere, right. 652 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 4: One of the reasons that Indiana is so attractive to 653 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 4: for these data centers is because the cooler Midwest temperatures 654 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 4: and also the proximity to the Great Lakes, which they 655 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 4: they say will reduce their need for cooling energy and 656 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 4: trusive cooling. But you have to consider the local governments 657 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 4: are frequently signing non disclosure agreements with these tech firms, 658 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 4: which limits the public's knowledge of. 659 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 2: Their energy and water use. They don't even want you 660 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 2: to know how much they're using. 661 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 3: And let's face it, what are they doing here? What 662 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 3: is Google doing? They're not getting their way. I think 663 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 3: they're probably very surprised at the not just the public pushback, 664 00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 3: but that the lawmakers, the city county councilors have listened 665 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 3: and responded to that public pushback. So what are they doing. 666 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 3: They're going to the school system, They're cutting some side 667 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 3: deal with one individual government entity, not all the government entities, 668 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 3: one individual government entity and trying to say, can we 669 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 3: strong arm. Two counselors out out of this little press 670 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 3: release at the Franklin Township School System. So now, hey, 671 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 3: by the way, speaking of which, we're gonna have the 672 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 3: Avon School superintendent on with us on Thursday. 673 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about referendum. 674 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 3: That's going to be a fascinating conversation. I assume he 675 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 3: knows what he's getting in for, but good. 676 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: On him for one to come on. 677 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 3: All right, James Briggs, Jacob Stuer from Indi Star are 678 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 3: gonna be with us next to debate the Franklin Township 679 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 3: Google Data Center. 680 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: This is gonna be fascinating. 681 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 2: It's Kennel L. Casey. It's ninety three WIBC.