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Speaker 1: It shows that household clutter increases women's cortisol levels, the

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Speaker 1: stress hormone.

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Speaker 2: They talk about what it does for men's stress hormones

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Speaker 2: cortisol levels.

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Speaker 3: No, nothing, this is no change whatsoever. Well the men

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Speaker 3: men remain unaffected by clutter. So it's all about the

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Speaker 3: women in stress.

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Speaker 2: Women clutter stresses out women, and dudes are just like,

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Speaker 2: no big deal, I can live with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, this is giving women a disproportionate mental load.

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Speaker 1: They're constantly noticing clutter, They're constantly planning on how to

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Speaker 1: get rid of the clutter. They're constantly managing the household

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Speaker 1: tasks involving the clutter, and the clutter is making your

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Speaker 1: woman sick.

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Speaker 2: No, the women have a disproportionate load. They put that

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Speaker 2: on themselves.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe guys should just pick up after themselves, rid

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Speaker 1: of the clutter and not wait for someone else to.

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Speaker 3: Do it all the time.

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Speaker 2: Maybe the clutter is just fine being clutter. Maybe it's

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Speaker 2: okay if things just stay cluttered, things have their place.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you should put it away. Maybe it's fine if

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Speaker 2: it just sits out on the counter. Maybe my jacket

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Speaker 2: doesn't need to be hung.

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Speaker 3: Up, Maybe it does.

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Speaker 2: I'm fine either way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, clearly, according to the scientific study, you are fine

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Speaker 1: either way. But that jacket not being hung up is

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Speaker 1: causing someone else in your house a little bit of stress,

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Speaker 1: a little undue stress.

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Speaker 2: That sounds like a U problem, not a ME problem.

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Speaker 2: I'm okay with it, and apparently all guys are okay

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Speaker 2: with it.

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Speaker 1: So there is a three step approach to manage clutter

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Speaker 1: and stress. One they call shedding, where you're just supposed

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Speaker 1: to reduce the amount of possessions that you have next time,

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Speaker 1: throwing the jacket away.

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Speaker 3: Then where are you? You're cold with winter, coach.

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Speaker 2: No, then you're buying me a new jacket. That's what

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Speaker 2: it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The other one they say is preventing, create clear,

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Speaker 1: consistent homes for items, to make organizing automatic, like I said,

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Speaker 1: put it in its place, and finally adapting. You have

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Speaker 1: to oh no, this is oh no, you have to

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Speaker 1: accept that some clutter is there.

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Speaker 2: It is, thank you. I was just about to say,

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Speaker 2: this is the most female thing I've ever seen, working

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Speaker 2: themselves up over a situation, then coming up with a

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Speaker 2: list on how to manage that stress associated with the situation,

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Speaker 2: and then the final recommendation is it's not so big

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Speaker 2: a deal. Is that's so big a deal, which is

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Speaker 2: where the guys sit on this issue to start with,

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Speaker 2: Yet the women had to go through this entire circle

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Speaker 2: of stress and how do we fix the stress? And

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Speaker 2: at the end of it, it's, eh, it's okay, don't

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Speaker 2: worry about it. Just let it go.