1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: Lie from val Hartland and the Crossroads of America. 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 2: It's Tony Katz today. 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: So I think it is very very acceptable to say 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: that when the President says that he's been speaking with 5 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: the Iranians, it's all right to ask, well, who are 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: you talking with? Because well, the Iranians say that they're 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: not talking, but the Iranians lie about everything. They could 8 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,639 Speaker 1: just be engaged in a propaganda war because they don't 9 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: want their people to know that they're negotiating with the 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: Great Satan. Then again, maybe Donald Trump isn't speaking with anybody. 11 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 1: And when the US and the Israelis say that they're 12 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: coming up with a plan that could end this war soon, 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: maybe it is to calm the oil markets. One thing 14 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,639 Speaker 1: I can say about this administration is that they are 15 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: not afraid of the propaganda. 16 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: They're not afraid of the misdirection. 17 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: But if a conversation's happening, with whom is it happening? 18 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: Because there doesn't seem to be anybody in charge yet 19 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: the bombs still drop from Iran, hitting Tel Aviv injuring six, 20 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: Tony Katz, Tony Katz. 21 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 2: Today, Good to be here, Good to be with you. 22 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: Major Mike Lyons joins me right now, retired United States 23 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: Army military analyst works with West Points. And I think 24 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: that this has taken a lot of people, you know, 25 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: the people who hate Trump and hate all this and 26 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: think that we're destined to lose and nothing can be 27 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: in Iran and we're just terrible. You know, people like 28 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: Senator Chris Murphy and others, they'll take any moment to 29 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: disparage President. 30 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: Trump, and so I pay no attention to them. 31 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: But for the rest of us who are looking at 32 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: this objectively, who in the world is the president or 33 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: the administration speaking to when we have killed the leadership, 34 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: You've got a moj Batah Kamani who in some kind 35 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: of mental of not physical distress, the son who is 36 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: a going to take over as the new Iatola who 37 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: nobody is seen. Basically they're being run by Iotola auto 38 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: pen Who in the world are we negotiating with as 39 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: you see it. 40 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 3: So it's been reported that's the head of parliament right 41 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 3: now in Iran, But the IRGC is running everything right now. 42 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 4: They have to be. 43 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 3: This is you know, they've been running the regime for 44 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 3: forty seven years and this is kind of a classic 45 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:29,679 Speaker 3: Stalinist You know, Communist Marxism type of organization that they're 46 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 3: actually running, and it's cloaked in this Islamic fanaticism. Frankly, 47 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 3: I think the you know we are you know, anybody 48 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 3: who's alive right now in Iran is a relive for 49 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 3: a reason. I think we've talked about regime compliance before 50 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 3: because it's going to be difficult to change the whole regime. 51 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 3: Ali Johnny, the guy that was killed last week, was 52 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 3: maybe the last one they thought was going to be compliant, 53 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 3: and he decided to get out on on the internet 54 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 3: and say that he wasn't going to be and then 55 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 3: next thing you know, he's dead. So you know they're 56 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 3: going down the list of israel Is well inside their 57 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 3: intel community. But I still think this war is going 58 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 3: to go on for weeks, a lot longer than a 59 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 3: lot people think it's not over any time soon. The 60 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 3: president is trying to assuage the markets and say it's 61 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 3: going to be over soon, but I think that you know, 62 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 3: he's extended these deadlines. 63 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: Now. 64 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 3: He went from a very dangerous forty eight hours that 65 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 3: would have ended last night to now five days from now, which, oh, 66 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 3: by the way, is when the Jaysock package arrives from 67 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 3: Fort Bragg and the Marines will also be on station. 68 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: Really quickly describe the Jaysock package to everybody. 69 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it looks, you know, from reports and from 70 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 3: what's been seen on manifests, seventy fifth Rangers, Delta and 71 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 3: the Fifthcessial Forces Group, looks like they're on planes and 72 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 3: they're heading to the Middle East. The eighty second Airborne 73 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 3: there as well, probably twenty five hundred to three thousand 74 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 3: troops to go along with the twenty five hundred that 75 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 3: already exists in the Marines. There we had about that 76 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 3: many in Syria that was there under no authorization of 77 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 3: use of military force. I mean, I was surprised when 78 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 3: that happened, you know, well after we were out of 79 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: Iraq in the late let's say, you know, twenty seventeen, 80 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 3: twenty eighteen. So again I've always said we're likely going 81 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 3: to put some troops inside of Iran at some point, 82 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 3: not large formations, not the first Armored Division, not three 83 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 3: hundred main battle tanks. But the President in order to 84 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 3: get what I'm calling a visual signal victory as part 85 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 3: of his visible leverage policy, is he's going to have 86 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 3: to show all Americans that we're winning or we have one, 87 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 3: and you know the only way to do that, frankly, 88 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 3: is put US flags planted somewhere inside of Iran. 89 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: Now, JAYSOK, we should be clear stands for Joint Special 90 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: Operations Command talking to major my clients retired United States 91 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: Army military analyst. Before we get into the possibility of 92 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: some levels of troops on the ground, whether that be 93 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: carg Islands or elsewhere. We know the USS Tripoli is 94 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: now there, while the geralds Ford has been pulled out 95 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: because of a fire on board that has headed out 96 00:04:58,400 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: to create. 97 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: For for repairs. 98 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: We go back to this idea of who they're talking to, 99 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: and you bring up the idea of regime compliance. Regime 100 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: compliance means that there's still some level of the regime 101 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: in control and in power, which says to the Iranian people, hey, 102 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: you know all that talk about you rising up and 103 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: as Benjamin Attanyahu, the Prime Minister of Israel said, creating 104 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: the conditions so you can control your own destiny and 105 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: take back your power that doesn't exist. That's all just 106 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: mouthpiece nonsense here. So how does regime compliance get President 107 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: Trump to be able to turn to the American people 108 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: never mind the world community and say success told you 109 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: just that easy. 110 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's going to have to be done 111 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 4: in pockets. 112 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 3: With ninety million people spread across a very large country, 113 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 3: Iran is going to have to build itself up in 114 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 3: small areas, in small regions as well. The bus siege 115 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 3: that the civilian army in Iran think like kind of 116 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 3: like a homeland security plus the local police force that 117 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 3: organization has to turn on the IRGC, who has their 118 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 3: thumb and fingerprints everywhere and their shadows everywhere. That if 119 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 3: that happens, then perhaps you'll get you'll get some level 120 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 3: of compliance inside some of the small little cities until 121 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 3: it finally gets into Tehran because we don't want a 122 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 3: civil war, We don't want necessarily that to happen. But 123 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 3: I but I do think that you know, with the 124 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 3: regime compliance, we've seen it happen in the past. 125 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 4: You know, it's happened in Venezuela. 126 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 3: Fundamentally we took out the main guy, but that regime 127 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 3: is still in place, and we've seen it in places 128 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 3: like Northern Ireland for example. So again it's it's possible 129 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 3: if you look at history. You know, the Iranians, though 130 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 3: the IRGC is a special kind of fanaticism when it 131 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 3: comes to what they're doing, and it might be a 132 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 3: lot more difficult, which which just means it's going to 133 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 3: take a little bit long longer. 134 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: And I'm also somebody who looks at Venezuela and says, 135 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: you can't tell me that Elsa Rodriguez has all of 136 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: a sudden turned into the good guy when she's as 137 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: much of a hardline and are certainly bought into Maduro's nonsense. 138 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: The hugoshaves nonsense as Nicholas Maduro. And so you still 139 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: don't have what you could have there, although life has 140 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: greatly improved as opposed to Iran, where the text messages 141 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: go out, if you protest, we will kill you. That 142 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: is what the IRGC is sending. So now we get 143 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: back to the idea of how the US is maneuvering 144 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: the USS Tripoli. You have other amphibious warships heading to 145 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: the area. 146 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: Four thousand marines. 147 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to go out on a limb, having no 148 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: military expertise whatsoever, but having the ability to read a book. 149 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: Four thousand marines could take carg Island in about seventeen 150 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: and a half minutes and fifteen of those minutes would 151 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: be like, hey, look cool, we're on Carg Island. That 152 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like a massive undertaking for the Marines and 153 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: for the assets they would have. 154 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 2: Around the island. 155 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: This is where the oil is for the Iranians, where 156 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: it comes in and out and gives them their hard currency. 157 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 2: Is that step number one. 158 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 3: I think that would be a very difficult mission for 159 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 3: the Marines. I think that there was a lot of 160 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 3: things that could go wrong. That would be a D 161 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 3: Day kind of invasion. I think we've hit some of 162 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 3: the military targets there, but there's dug in resources. I'm 163 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 3: sure inside of Carg Island again, IRGC elements that are there, 164 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 3: and we have to do everything in this in this 165 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 3: world under zero casualty operation. I think it'd be very, 166 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 3: very difficult. So I don't necessarily see Marines storming the 167 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 3: beach there. I see them eventually getting there. But I 168 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 3: do see again, go back to Jaysok, that Joint Special 169 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 3: Ops Command is the really the elite soldiers we have 170 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 3: in our country. Think Israeli commandos back from the seventies, 171 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 3: that's you know, a pretty good cadre of folks there. 172 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 3: They likely fast rope in like you saw in Mogadishu. 173 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 3: You saw in that more of an air assault, perhaps 174 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 3: even airborne operation. Get in on the island and then 175 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 3: overwhelm those forces quickly and then provide a path because 176 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 3: the Marines will likely still try to come in from 177 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,119 Speaker 3: the beach and that'll be a great photo opportunity for them. 178 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 3: And you heard Lindsay Graham call it an Eugma moment again, 179 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 3: but I think, I think again, that's the visual that 180 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 3: they're looking for. But to just to say it will 181 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 3: happen easily, I think is a little bit of a 182 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 3: bridge too far, and we'll continue to have to soften 183 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 3: that place up for many, many weeks before we do that. 184 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: I think talking to Major Mike Lyons, retired to the 185 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: United States Army military analyst, and it's always a good 186 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: reminder that I think we can take one quickly doesn't 187 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: mean that that's the reality. It's certainly not the way 188 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: one should plan. And you are correct that we do 189 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: live in a society that will only accept zero casualties, 190 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: which leads people to the idea of is this worth 191 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: it right? That brings us to the idea of what 192 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: is winning now? Again, I have stated, and you've heard 193 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: me talk about this, if the regime in anyway stay is, 194 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: I don't know what we were doing here. Has there 195 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: been a conversation and does the military accept this conversation 196 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: as the idea of there are certain things that could 197 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: be happening, a degradation of Iranian capability that would be 198 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: considered Okay, we don't have to worry about this for 199 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: another twenty five years, or another seventeen years, another thirty 200 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: teen years, or another eight years. Does that exist? Is 201 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: that the way they're playing the game right now? 202 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 3: I think we're already going in that direction. But I 203 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 3: don't think that's going to be good enough for Donald Trump. 204 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 3: I think he wants that visual signal. He wants it's 205 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 3: something we can see. The military can tell them that 206 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 3: we've set them back twenty five years their ballistic missile capabilities, nuclear. 207 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 4: Sites and the like. 208 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 3: But until we put people on the ground there that 209 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 3: actually have recovered the enriched uranium, for example, half a 210 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 3: ton of that, which is again not going in the 211 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 3: back of a special ops helicopter someplace. That's going to 212 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 3: be a big op to do that. I think he's 213 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 3: going to have He wants a visual and the upside. 214 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:53,599 Speaker 3: Though Saudi Arabia's now involved guitars uae Oman, the Arab States. 215 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 4: Have now turned against Iran. I think that's a it's 216 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 4: a big change. 217 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 3: It's one thing about fighting a war and another thing 218 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 3: about waging a war. And the United States, you don't 219 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 3: want to fight us in a war because we'll beach 220 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 3: up one side down the other. And I think that's 221 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: been true in history, you go back to even Vietnam. 222 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 3: But the waging war aspect, I think that this administration 223 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 3: is getting right. I think it's fine that we threaten 224 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 3: their electrical grid. I think it's absolutely fine that we 225 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 3: try to take over there the refinement facilities. I think 226 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 3: that's absolutely fine. That's how you wage war against another country. 227 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 3: That's what it's all about. And now i'd like to 228 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 3: see a little more congressional involvement with this, but I'm 229 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 3: not sure that there's enough in Congress that will ever 230 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 3: get by this concept of Donald Trump doing this. But again, 231 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 3: all these problems from the last fifty years are getting 232 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 3: settled right now, and that's what we need to do. 233 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 3: And again I see Trump in this administration waging war 234 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 3: and not just fighting the war, and I think that 235 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 3: from the military perspective, it's going to continue. 236 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: You've had Saudi Arabia guitar the UAE expelling Iranian diplomats. 237 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: They've made their decision. The question is does that decision 238 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: continue to be made. Is there is there a feel 239 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: that there is a long term strategy now amongst Midiast 240 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: nations to no matter what comes, marginalize Iran, do away 241 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: with Iran's influence and their desires to be a hegemonic power, 242 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: and say we will work amongst ourselves to create tomorrow 243 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: where they're not in charge, We're in charge. And does 244 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: that involve Israel in any way? 245 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 3: Well, I think Israel gets involved on the on the 246 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 3: capitalism side, on the market side, but not necessarily on 247 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 3: the alliance side. 248 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 4: Let's let's put it that way. 249 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 3: I mean, these air nations are thick from a cultural perspective. 250 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 3: Although Iran's Iranians are different, they're Persians. They don't necessarily 251 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 3: consider themselves Arab, and the Arab countries really had to 252 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 3: get along with them just from proximity. 253 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 4: I mean it's you know, the. 254 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 3: Distance from Iran to Kuwait, for example, in Saudi Arabia 255 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 3: and those desalization points as well within artillery range, ballistic 256 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 3: missile range and the like, so they've had to get 257 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 3: along with them for necessity. Now they've also tolerated the 258 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 3: Iranians controlling the Straits of Romotzas for as long as 259 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 3: they have, and the rest of the world has as well, 260 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 3: which again is another thing I don't understand why the 261 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 3: rest of the world isn't getting on board with that, 262 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 3: because the Iranians, you know, should not have that kind 263 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 3: of power to control that. 264 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 4: And you're going to see a very big push by. 265 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 3: Those Arab nations to move products and services they can 266 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 3: through pipelines and over roads and avoid that geographic obstacle. 267 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 3: Really is what it's become. I think when this is 268 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 3: when this is over, the Saudis are already have a 269 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 3: pipeline built that goes to the Red Sea. It goes 270 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 3: goes west. I guess they get about seven million barrels 271 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 3: a day through there, but it's not the thirteen million 272 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 3: that they try to ship daily through the Persian Gulf. 273 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 4: So you're going to see the. 274 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 3: World Everything has changed in the Arab world because of this, 275 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 3: and now that it's tipped over where those Arab nations 276 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,719 Speaker 3: are against the Iranians that that means regime change from 277 00:13:58,040 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 3: their mind is coming to. 278 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 1: It's changed the Arab world for us, for the United States. 279 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: But now we bring up this question of Israel. Can 280 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: is Israel going to a bide by some deal that 281 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: Trump says, Okay, that's the deal. 282 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 2: Right. 283 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: The first rule of trump Ism is that Trump wins, 284 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: and the second rule of trump Ism is that a 285 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: deal can always be made as long as that adheres 286 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: to the first rule of trump Ism. So Trump can 287 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: make a deal that Netanyahu or the Israelis don't like. 288 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: Are they prepared to say, well, this is as far 289 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: as we're going to go, Because if you ask the Israelis, 290 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: they want an Iranian regime that in no way exists 291 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: and they want no more uh Islamic power in that 292 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: in that area, in that country. Are they Are they 293 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: on board for the well, this is as far as 294 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: we're going to go and that's gonna be that. Or 295 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: will they're bombing of Park Servan or of a southern 296 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: Lebanon and Hesbela continue. 297 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're going to continue going after hez Blood. That's 298 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 3: the only proxy that the Iranians are even remotely attached 299 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 3: to it. 300 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 4: This point. 301 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 3: But you saw the Lebanese government now I believe it 302 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 3: was trying to remove the Iranian ministries. Lebanon, what again 303 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 3: a disaster of a country taken over by Hesbalah and 304 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 3: you know, neighbor of Israel, clearly an enemy of the 305 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 3: Israeli States. So again Israel's taking care of all family 306 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 3: business right now, going after them. 307 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 4: But Tony, what would that deal look like? 308 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 3: What would the United States is not going to agree 309 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 3: to anything that I don't think Israel wouldn't think as 310 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 3: good as well it didn't obviously Israel didn't like the JCPOA, 311 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 3: but Obama didn't care what Israel thought, and that was 312 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 3: that's turned out to be a complete disaster if that 313 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 3: if that had gone through, when the Trump administration didn't 314 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 3: pull that off the table, because we see the Iranians 315 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 3: are just liars anyway. 316 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 4: But what would that look like? 317 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 3: I think Israel will be very satisfied because the United 318 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 3: States will be satisfied because you mentioned Trump's rule number one, 319 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 3: Trump wins, but also in Trump's world, in so many ways, 320 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 3: somebody else loses, and that's that's going to be part 321 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 3: of the visual of the United States winning. 322 00:15:58,920 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 4: Is going to be somebody else lose. 323 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 3: Trump would love another US battleship Missouri moment where we 324 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 3: bring the Iranian, you know, whoever a person is signs 325 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 3: the surrender statement on the USS Eisenhower or someplace and 326 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 3: with ten with a thousand sailors overlooking that person, a 327 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 3: very small person, like we did against the Japanese. So 328 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 3: it's not only Trump wins, but someone's going to lose, 329 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 3: and in this case that's. 330 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 4: Going to be a run. 331 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 3: I don't see how it was real given that what 332 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 3: with the United States has demanded for right now, we're 333 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 3: not going to give up in any of those things, 334 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 3: which means really unconditional surrender. 335 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: Trump wants to be on the boat when Emperor hero 336 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: Hido shows up to say we give Yeah. 337 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 4: I think so. 338 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 3: I think that would be the moment they'll they'll find 339 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 3: us to find the shortest Iranian that they can to 340 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 3: do it to make it look even worse. 341 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: So there is something to be said about a visual sir. 342 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: It's it is pretty important stuff. I just don't think 343 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: that moment's coming. Major Mike Lyons, United States Army, a 344 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: major retired a military analyst. I appreciate you taking the 345 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: time to be with us. More is coming up on 346 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz Today. Are we all 347 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: in agreement that there are way too many podcasts? There's 348 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: just too many? 349 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: And I'd say this as a guy who does podcasts. 350 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 2: Tony Katz, Tony Katz Today, good to be with you. 351 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: How does one rise above the din? How does one, 352 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: you know, reach audience? How do you make that happen? 353 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: Is it a marketing spend that has to happen? Is 354 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: it just happenstance or luck? I don't know, but there 355 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: are now little stories and reports of people saying, you know. 356 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: What, I gave this a shot. I'm out of this 357 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 2: business and all of it. 358 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: You know, when you're on the radio side, radio is 359 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: the one that has to deal with this because the 360 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: listening went to online and it's not in radio, and 361 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: so radio adjusts and deals with some of the struggles. 362 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: Even though I think we're still the single most important 363 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: medium out there. You want to talk about immediacy, no 364 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: one can give it to you like like radio. Yes, 365 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: I'm for the home team, but I'm also a believer 366 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: for sure. 367 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 2: I bring this up because there is a podcast that. 368 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: I never heard of it and they might have nine 369 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: billion followers for all I know. It's called the Him 370 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: and Her Show. I did not know this thing existed. 371 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about the BBC comedy. There's a 372 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: podcast and it says Him and Her and this is 373 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: Robert F. 374 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 2: Kennedy Junior on the show saying this. 375 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 5: I'm not partisan person, but I want to think just 376 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 5: that I've found out from people in my agency was they. 377 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 4: Were ordered but during by the Biden White House. 378 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 5: Not to do program integriy, in other words, not to 379 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 5: enforce against fraud. And they said they were told, we 380 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 5: want to focus on only enrollment and getting more and 381 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 5: more people into the system. 382 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 2: The wait, if they caught somebody doing fraud, prosecute that. 383 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, they were not. Even the fraudulent claims that came 384 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 5: in that they knew were fraudulent, they. 385 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: Were paid, so they never looked in fraud. They never 386 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: looked into it. They never checked into it, they never 387 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: looked at it. They allowed it to take place. Well, 388 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: it makes sense because for the leftist, the success of 389 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: a program is not how many people get off of it, 390 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: but how many people they put on it, which is 391 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: why the program never goes away. It's a very different 392 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: view than you have, and that the political right has. 393 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: It's a real difference. They viewed success by how many 394 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: people they put on a program, not how many people 395 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: don't need it anymore. They never looked at the fraud. 396 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: And now you know what happened in Minnesota and California 397 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: and North Carolina and probably every state in the country. 398 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today. I think 399 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 2: John Cleese is right. 400 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: It's kind of amazing he hasn't ended up in jail 401 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: for his statement on X recognizing that Islam is a 402 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,719 Speaker 1: political system, not a religion. And the people who scream 403 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: islamaphobia were completely full of crap. Tony Kats, Tony Kats today, 404 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: Good to be here, Good to be with you. Oh 405 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: that's gonna get me in trouble with a lot of 406 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: people whatever. 407 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 2: Whatever. 408 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: Islamophobia is a nonsense term created because somehow they didn't 409 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: want to scream racist Islamophobia. A fear of Islam, a 410 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: fear of Islamists. Absolutely, But any time there's a rational 411 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: argument to be made about look at what these Islamists 412 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: are doing, Look at what these terrorists are doing, look 413 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: at the connection points. 414 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: It's all you're an islamophobe. 415 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: Stop talking outrageous leftists who won't accept reality. 416 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 2: You're gonna get killed too. 417 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: If the Islamist has their way, you will never ever, ever, ever, 418 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: ever be safe ever. And there is no society where 419 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 1: the Islamist has been able to succeed where people who 420 00:20:58,400 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: are not Muslim are safe. 421 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 2: Zero. 422 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: Their batting average is zero in terms of people being 423 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: saved if they're not Muslim in Islami societies. 424 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 2: Zero. 425 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: The total number of Jews in Islamic societies is zero. 426 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: How do you think that is because the total number 427 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: of any group in Islamic societies is zero because it's 428 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: not allowed, because the political system does not allow it. 429 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 2: Now I get. 430 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: Heat for that, calling it a political system not a religion. 431 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: It's fine. I stand in the company of Christopher Hitchens 432 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: and others, and that's the company I want to keep. 433 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 2: It is what it is. Now. 434 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: Am I here to tell you that every Muslim is 435 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: a bad person? 436 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Positively? 437 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 6: Not? 438 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: That is an insane thought. Am I here to tell 439 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,959 Speaker 1: you that all Islamists are bad people? Yes, anybody who 440 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: wants a caliphate, anybody who wants you to pay the jijia, 441 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: the tax for being a non Muslim. Anybody who thinks 442 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: that public beheadings like we've seen in the UK is valuable. 443 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 2: Anybody who believes in honor killings. 444 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: Anybody who believes that somehow they should be on top 445 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: and everybody else should be subjugated, not live their lives subjugated. 446 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 1: Those are not people I'm in league with, and anybody 447 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: who supports them is out of their head. This all 448 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: starts with a statement put out by the absolutely ridiculous 449 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: and I argue bigoted mayor of London City con talking 450 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: about how British Muslims are scared. 451 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 7: I'm a born and raised London I've lived anywhere else really, 452 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 7: and I've been there for ten years. And I've hosted 453 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 7: events in Dravaga Square for Jewish friends and colleagues of Hanukah. 454 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 7: I've hosted events in Drivers Square for Christian president colleagues. 455 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 7: Events are Eastern, the passion of Christ. Events at Christmas 456 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 7: we have hymns and carols when we like the Christmas Tree. 457 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 7: We have events Devali for Hindu friends and Fesaki for 458 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 7: sekh Londoners. And I'm heartbroken, I'm sad, I'm angry, and 459 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 7: i can understand why many British Muslims are scared by 460 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 7: somebody who is so senior, who wants to be the 461 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 7: Lord Chancellor saying what he said, but worryingly his leader, 462 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 7: somebody who wants to be the Prime Minister Cami badno thinking. 463 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 7: It is British, British values to single out Muslims. It 464 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 7: is British values to respect each other. Yes, we're a 465 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 7: Christian country, but you know, Christianity teaches us to love 466 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 7: that neighbor. It doesn't say love like a Christian neighbor, 467 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 7: love thy labor. I learn about Christianity. It teaches us 468 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 7: we all to keep for our brother and sister who 469 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 7: teach us about the good Samaritan. What is so objectionable 470 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 7: to the Conservative Party about Muslim celebrates in their religion 471 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 7: in the way that we do. 472 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: If we want to be honest about what we're seeing 473 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 1: across the UK regarding Islamists, you can realize the serious 474 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: danger involved. 475 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 2: Now some people are afraid of this conversation. We cannot be. 476 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 2: But let's go back to. 477 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: Sadik Khan, the Mayor of London, saying that British Muslims. 478 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 2: Are scared, scared of what this takes place. 479 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: After the Jewish community in London, where the anti Semitism 480 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: is rampant, they had ambulances set ablaze. That's the headline 481 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: from Reuters for Jewish community. Ambulances were set ablaze in 482 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: North London on Monday, what British Prime Minister Kirstormer called 483 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: a people shocking anti Semitic arson attack. 484 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 2: Why are Muslims afraid? What's being lit on fire of Muslims? 485 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 2: Why is it? 486 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: And this is what god sad points to. If you 487 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: don't know, Gad said over a million followers on Twitter x. 488 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 2: A thinker. I don't know if I'd agree with. 489 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: Him on everything, but I don't know everything he's ever said, 490 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: but I do follow him on the socials, and he wrote, Indeed, 491 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: whatever Jews are attacked, typically by Muslims, it is important 492 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: to redouble our efforts to fight against Islamophobia. 493 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 2: That is always what happens, that the argument does always, 494 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 2: Oh it's islamophobia. Oh we're scared. Oh good lord. 495 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: Norm MacDonald tweeted about this in one of the most 496 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,479 Speaker 1: famous posts Norm MacDonald may have ever put up. 497 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:00,160 Speaker 2: We're talking about. 498 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: Them, and he wrote back in twenty sixteen, twenty sixteen. 499 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 2: What terrifies me is. 500 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: If Isis were to detonate a nuclear device and kill 501 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: fifty million Americans, imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims. The 502 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: argument is always, well, oh, you can't say that because 503 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 1: these people are peaceful. You can't say that because they 504 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: didn't do anything wrong. Not every Muslim did something wrong. 505 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: It's crazed. But the idea that there is a problem 506 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: with radical Islam, and there is a problem with Islamist 507 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: and the problem is real, we can't say so because, oh, 508 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: then Muslims are afraid. 509 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 2: Stop it, Stop it. 510 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: It's a nonsense argument meant to get people to stop noticing. 511 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:52,479 Speaker 1: We're not going to stop noticing there's a problem, and 512 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: there are not enough people stating that Islam needs a 513 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: serious reformation and enlightenment if you will. But if you 514 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: have ten percent of two billion radicalized, that's two hundred million. 515 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: That is a danger. This brings us back to John 516 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: Cleese of Monty Python fame, who, responding to Gad Sad wrote, 517 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: does this silly little man not understand that Islam is 518 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: a very aggressive belief system, threatening death to anyone who 519 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: does not convert to Islam. 520 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 2: The Buddhist, the. 521 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,239 Speaker 1: Taoists, the Scottish Presbyterians, the Hindus and the Sikhs and 522 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: the Confucians and the Catholics don't go around shouting about 523 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: beheading people they disagree with. Is this too much for 524 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: your tiny little brain to take in? And then he says, oh, 525 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: the doorbell rang the police. I assume because in Britain, 526 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: if you even notice the issue with Islamists, you get arrested. 527 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 2: They can go about. 528 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:59,719 Speaker 1: Killing people, which does indeed happen, threatening people, intimidating it 529 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: does does indeed happen. We're not gonna pretend that it doesn't. 530 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 1: I don't care what name I get called. 531 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 2: The facts or the facts or the facts or the facts. 532 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 2: They are what they are. 533 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: And if you notice these things in Britain, you're the 534 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: one who goes to jail for your social media posts 535 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: saying hey, I noticed this thing. It is a backwards 536 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: country now, devoid the ravages of thought, to quote a 537 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 1: film made by his Monty Python brethren, devoid of any 538 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: honest conversation that Sadie Coon can go screw, he can 539 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: pound sand I don't want to hear it. Where are 540 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: Muslims to stand up and say this is not acceptable? 541 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: We don't want this life and as long as they 542 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: are in the main silence. While there are countless examples 543 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: of imams and others saying we will be the dominant power. 544 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 2: We must be. We are superior to all others. 545 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: We must do away with the infidel, we must crush them, 546 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: we must change them. You have people going door to 547 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: door saying in Michigan, stop selling beer and stop selling alcohol. 548 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: This is against the will of a law, and this 549 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: is shameful and huld. We live in a pluralist society 550 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: in the United States, and we want to keep the 551 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: pluralist society. I'm not interested in someone who thinks that 552 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: their religion should be our politics, because after all, it's 553 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: not a religion, it's a political system to begin with. 554 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: I'm not interested in living their life because in their 555 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: life I die, so do my kids. And since everyone 556 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: knows that to be true, what the hell are we doing? 557 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: John Cleese is right. I can live with all of 558 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: these other groups without issue, because while they. 559 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 2: May disagree with me, they may not even like me, 560 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 2: they're not trying to kill me. 561 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to kill them because I may 562 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: not like them. Only the Islamist is trying to kill everybody. 563 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: These are the facts and denying them is just silly. 564 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: And so when Trump goes about saying, you know, the 565 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: Left is the greatest enemy America has. If the argument, 566 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: and I can see why why people are bothered by that, 567 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: But if the argument very well is that the left 568 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: is now in this very un American place, and to 569 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: this subject inspecific, the left refuses to note the violence 570 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: and the danger of the Islamist and thus gives them 571 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: safe harbor and safe passage, and excuses their behavior by screaming, well, islamophobia, 572 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: then yes, the American left is a great danger. Now 573 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: you say to me, how dare you say that? But 574 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: I've been saying it about British culture for years. I 575 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: am the first person you ever heard say that Prince William, 576 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: the son of King Charles, will be the last king 577 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: of England. Now, some people will argue that's actually gonna 578 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: be Prince George William and Kate's son. I don't think 579 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: it will get that far. Prince William will be the 580 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: last King of England. Prince Charles, Sorry, King Charles is 581 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: a coward. And we should be clear that Queen Elizabeth, 582 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: while having done a tremendous. 583 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 2: Amount for the royal family and for Britain as a whole. 584 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: Did not take on the Islamist threat the way she 585 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: should have. She kicked the can down the road to 586 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: a son who is not qualified to do it better 587 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: than Andrew, but not willing to fight. That's obvious. And 588 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: if Prince William thinks at this rate his son will 589 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: ascend him to the throne, he's out of his mind. 590 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: The Church of England will fall. I've been saying. 591 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 2: This for years. 592 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: Did we think that it was just going to be England? 593 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: What kind of foolhardy madness is this? Of course it 594 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: wasn't just going to be England. We have France, we 595 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: have major swaths of Europe except those countries that said 596 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: we're not taking any of this crap. This unfettered mass 597 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: immigration of Islamists, not people looking for a better life, 598 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: people looking. 599 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 2: To dominate your life. 600 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: And when you bring people in unfettered, and when you 601 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: bring people in unchecked, and when you don't demand a 602 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: connection to the culture they are coming to. You think 603 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: that what's happening in Minnesota with Somali nationals is just 604 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: hunh I reject that. 605 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 2: And someone's gonna say me, how dare you that is 606 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 2: so big a than? No, it is not. 607 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: It is a wrecking of what we demand as a society, 608 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: and we didn't demand it. That's somehow demanding the American 609 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: way of life, and you do it the way we 610 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: do it is. 611 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 2: Wrong and it is not. Can we be open? Can 612 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 2: we be welcoming? Can we be pluralist? You bet? But 613 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 2: are there rules and the rules have to be followed? 614 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 2: You bet? 615 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: And do we have to be honest about those who 616 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: engage in systems that are detrimental I'm sorry, contra to 617 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: the American way of life and to the existence and 618 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: the survival Western civilization. Yes, and the Islamist is contra 619 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: to the American way of life and to Western civilization, 620 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: just like it is to the British way of life. 621 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 2: And John Claes is correct. And I am. 622 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: Surprised they haven't thrown them in jail yet for being honest. 623 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: While Sadik Khan goes to another in a long list 624 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: of I can't believe they're attacking us. London has to 625 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: vote better, London has to fight better. So does the 626 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: United States. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz. Today, 627 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: John Cornyn really, really, really really wants to win the 628 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: primary to be the continuing Senator from Texas. 629 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 2: I mean this on Fox News and Senator when it 630 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 2: comes to what's happening with the war in Iran. 631 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 6: Soon they're going to put a bill in front of 632 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,760 Speaker 6: you to say we need probably two hundred billion dollars 633 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 6: more roughly to fund the war. 634 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 2: How do you feel. 635 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 6: About that, Well, it's cheaper than it's cheaper than indeed, 636 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 6: nuclear rised Iran and eliminating the number one state sponsor 637 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 6: of terrorism along with their proxies. There is a whole 638 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,280 Speaker 6: lot cheaper than fighting a regional war with the nuclear 639 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 6: armed Iran and continuing the unrest we've seen since the 640 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 6: Iranian revolution in nineteen seventy nine. 641 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 2: So that is correct. That is an accurate assessment. 642 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to believe connects with people in Texas. 643 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 2: This is our absolutely the correct answer. 644 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: It is cheaper. It is cheaper to take out the 645 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: regime now. But I'll say it again for the people 646 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: in the cheap seats us making this move on Iran, 647 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: which I'm fine with, and I'm fine with calling it 648 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: regime change. 649 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 2: I'm fine with all of it. 650 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: I don't think there should be any question to what 651 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: it is we're dealing with. 652 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 2: We should never lie to each other. 653 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: We should all be on the same page and then 654 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: discuss whether we agree to disagree. But if we're not 655 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: going to remove the regime in full, I don't know 656 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: what we did. We delayed them, Well, sometimes delaying them 657 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:39,399 Speaker 1: is enough. I don't think that's the case here. We 658 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: can end the regime if we're not, what are we doing. 659 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: We're for all intents and purposes, ending the regime as 660 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: well as money still going to flow to Iran, and 661 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: they're still going to have some kind of power structure, 662 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: and they're still gonna be able to oppress the people, 663 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: which will allow them, of course to continue with the 664 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: funding of terrorism. Then what the hell did we do? 665 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: Means my top question. Find everything at Tony Katts dot 666 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: com tomorrow. 667 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 2: Everyone take care