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Speaker 1: afternoon to you. My name is Jake Query. Eddie Garrison,

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Speaker 1: the other voice that you hear on this program. You

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Speaker 2: Of course, I'm just saying, I'll give you I guess

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Speaker 2: Hey one minute thirty seconds, so I do the normal.

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Speaker 2: Hey you got a minute? So you're back from breaking?

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Speaker 2: Eddie goes, hey, Eddie, Mike well, he goes q R.

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Speaker 1: Yes, no, yes, he's hip to it. I you too, Now,

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Speaker 1: somebody did tell me this. You ready, They said, Jake,

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Speaker 2: So here you go. You ready? What am I doing

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Speaker 1: Every song that we shall play on the program today

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Speaker 1: It's supposed to be like fight Club. These women are

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Speaker 1: Why we want to revisit that again? You're out of

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Speaker 1: your mind. I wouldn't want him back. He acted like

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Speaker 1: an ass, He said questionable things. I get all that,

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Speaker 1: I get it all. But one thing we know about

440
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Speaker 1: sports is when you win, it's kumbaya. Everybody feels better.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into that over the course of today. Pat

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Speaker 1: Knight is out at Marion as the head basketball coach.

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Speaker 1: I talked to him last night after the Pacers game.

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Speaker 1: We were discussing it. I've known Pat a long time,

445
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Speaker 1: love Pat, and I said, hey, can you come on

446
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Speaker 1: tomorrow and talk about it? He said, I got nothing

447
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Speaker 1: to do. So he's going to join us at one o'clock.

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Speaker 1: And when we come back on the other side, is there,

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Speaker 1: in fact a little trickle of news coming out of

450
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Speaker 1: the NFL that might relate to the city of Indianapolis.

451
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Speaker 1: We'll get into that over the course of today as well.

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Speaker 1: And Scott Agnes other side here field House Files. It

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Speaker 1: is a Tuesday dis query.

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Speaker 2: Company on the fan.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Scott Agne is going to join us Fieldhouse Files

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Speaker 1: here just a second from now. Did you see Eddie

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Speaker 1: that We will get more into this by the way,

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Speaker 1: coming up in just a couple of minutes. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know how this came to be or why this

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Speaker 1: is a thing now. Maybe it's just a culture.

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Speaker 2: We live in.

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Speaker 1: But with the Hall of Fame voting now, there are

463
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Speaker 1: like these leaks that come out and so if you

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Speaker 1: look at the Contributor and Senior category, there were five nominees.

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Speaker 1: Robert Kraft, Bill Belichick, Ken Anderson, Roger Craig and ELC Greenwood.

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Speaker 1: Three of the five could get in, and we now

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Speaker 1: know that the two that are involved with the New

468
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Speaker 1: England Patriots are connected to the New England Patriots Robert Craft,

469
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Speaker 1: their owner, and for their former coach, Bill Belichick. Apparently

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Speaker 1: neither of them got in.

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Speaker 2: I didn't see that. Yeah, that would mean.

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Speaker 1: Theoretically or presumably, I don't know if that means that

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Speaker 1: three had to get in or only up to three

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Speaker 1: can get in. But I do know Elsie Greenwood is deceased,

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Speaker 1: the late great Elsie Greenwood of the Steelers. But I

476
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: know a guy in town, wonderful guy named Frank Davis

477
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Speaker 1: that's known el Season's college, that said Elsie green But

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Speaker 1: is a guy that just woke up and his entire

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Speaker 1: life he was consumed by football and being the best

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Speaker 1: player he could be. And if that's the case, it's

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Speaker 1: wonderful if he's in Roger Craig the high Whenever I

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Speaker 1: think of Roger Craig, I think of the fact that

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Speaker 1: when he used to run, his knees would go like

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Speaker 1: four feet off the ground. But the first and perhaps

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Speaker 1: only player at least the most recent I believe to

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Speaker 1: get a thousand yards receiving it in rushing the same season.

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Speaker 1: Wonderful player, kind of a short window, but wonderful player.

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Speaker 1: And then Ken Anderson to me, Kenny Anderson is the

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Speaker 1: one that I think he was a great player. I

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Speaker 1: don't know he's a Hall of Fame player. But what

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Speaker 1: does that mean for Reggie? Wayne and Adamantia will get

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Speaker 1: into that in just a little bit. But joining us

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Speaker 1: now in the fieldhouse or from field House files, I

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Speaker 1: should say on the Joba House, Peeling Port guest line,

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Speaker 1: regular program guest Scott Agnes, joining us, Scott, you heard

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Speaker 1: Rick Carlyle's comments yesterday about Ben Matheren and that is

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Speaker 1: and someone asked me this, and I will parlay the

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Speaker 1: question to you. When Rick Carlile was asked about Ben Matheren,

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Speaker 1: he was very favorable in talking about Ben Matheren yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Is that typical of Rick Carlyle when asked about a

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Speaker 1: player or does it feel more like that was Rick

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Speaker 1: Carlyle making a push and selling Ben matherin here as

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Speaker 1: the trade deadline approaches.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, on that front, Rick always puts up as players

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Speaker 6: even in bad losses, right, he'll go up there and

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Speaker 6: say it's all my fault, bad game plan, you know,

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Speaker 6: let's move on type of thing. So Number one, he's

508
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Speaker 6: always going to elevate his players, speak well of them.

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Speaker 6: But to your point, I have taken notice with my

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Speaker 6: ears extra elevated, listening closely, and the two guys that

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Speaker 6: I feel like he's gone above and beyond to credit

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Speaker 6: to emphasize, maybe to single out when not asked about them,

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Speaker 6: have been Jeris Walker and Benedict Mathern.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, okay, I want to begin with this Jeris Walker. Now,

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Speaker 1: it's eleventh hour stuff for sure, Scott, But and I

516
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Speaker 1: hope I'm not falling in love with fools gold. But

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Speaker 1: I've seen enough in the last literally three weeks to

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Speaker 1: a month to now sell me on the fact that

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Speaker 1: Jeris Walker is somebody I want to run with long term.

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Speaker 3: Your thoughts, yeah, I would agree with.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he's brought some consistencies stability to his game,

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Speaker 6: especially over the last two weeks. And it's not just

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Speaker 6: the off. We can point to the fact that he's

524
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Speaker 6: been in double figures the last half dozen games, But

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Speaker 6: for me, more so, it's his reads, it's his defensive coverages, it's,

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Speaker 6: you know, getting a couple of steals here and there. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: there's a lot on the bone that we haven't seen,

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Speaker 6: so I kind of feel the same way with you.

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Speaker 3: The other thing about him that I really like is.

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Speaker 2: Walker.

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Speaker 1: I think can defend multiple positions, and that's what I

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Speaker 1: like about him, Scott, I think the Jeris Walker for

533
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Speaker 1: so long, myself probably is the forefront of this. I

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Speaker 1: kept saying, like, when is the fog gonna lift? Because

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Speaker 1: I watched him offensively and it looked like the game

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Speaker 1: was moving too fast for him. And I think what

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Speaker 1: I wasn't paying enough attention to was the fact that

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Speaker 1: Jeris Walker can change things a little bit for you

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Speaker 1: because you can put him at like, any of three

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Speaker 1: different positions defensively, and he is going to be solid

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Speaker 1: at any of those three positions from a defensive standpoint,

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Speaker 1: and that allows you flexibility and versatility of your rotations

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Speaker 1: and sets defensively.

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Speaker 3: Do you agree with that?

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Speaker 2: I do. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: The defense we expected, and I was just surprised we

547
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Speaker 6: hadn't seen it as much. But the defense that was

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Speaker 6: the biggest thing coming into being an NBA players is versatility.

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Speaker 2: Defend.

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Speaker 6: The one through four can pick and pop actions to

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Speaker 6: take on bigger guys. He's got the size and length

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Speaker 6: that they've been missing and probably are still missing when

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Speaker 6: you consider modern day basketball with Toronto and Orlando and

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Speaker 6: some of the many teams they've seen here recently that

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Speaker 6: have those six to eight six y nine wings with

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Speaker 6: that athleticism and such. But I think the biggest thing

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Speaker 6: that has been beneficial Jake to Jaris is the consistency

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Speaker 6: within his role in lineups. I took notice right like

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Speaker 6: when he's playing his best basketball. I guess last night

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Speaker 6: was an exception, because Houston is so big that you

561
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Speaker 6: truly need a center in there. But Jarris had been

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Speaker 6: in that starting lineup. He had been with that same

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Speaker 6: group within the starting lineup, and then you saw a

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Speaker 6: consistent result, And so I think that's what he's been lacking.

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Speaker 6: It's am I playing tonight? If so, what role am

566
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Speaker 6: I going to get? Two minutes? Am I getting twelve minutes?

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Speaker 6: Who's injured tonight? And I think that's really been a

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Speaker 6: challenge for him, especially even you even go back to

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Speaker 6: last postseason when he was starting to contribute in the

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Speaker 6: Eastern Conference Finals, and I thought he absolutely would have

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Speaker 6: contributed in the NBA Finals and then suffered that setback

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Speaker 6: with the injury.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think Scott and I mentioned this about

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Speaker 1: a lot of players. Okay, we have had you and

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Speaker 1: I have had on this radio show this conversation about

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Speaker 1: a number of different people, and that is trying to

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Speaker 1: determine when there's a player that is suddenly getting regular reps.

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Speaker 1: Is that player getting regular reps because of necessity and

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Speaker 1: somebody needs to get the minutes right now or have

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Speaker 1: they broken past that of owing a skill set that's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: this is somebody that, even when they are fully healthy,

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Speaker 1: is going to be in rotation. So today's subject matter

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Speaker 1: of that inquiry is Johnny Furfey.

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Speaker 2: Go.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Johnny Furfey is broken into the rotation.

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Speaker 6: He would not be a starter though, like he has

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Speaker 6: consistently been here in recent weeks. Looking forecasting towards a

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Speaker 6: next season, maybe, but I definitely think he's earned a

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Speaker 6: spot in the rotation, especially because of his defense, I think,

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Speaker 6: and his rebounding, right, I mean rebounding absolutely. You know,

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Speaker 6: he the best rebounders on the team.

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Speaker 1: Now I didn't know this, Scott, Are you ready for

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Speaker 1: a degenerative Gambler?

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Speaker 2: Tip? Here, give it to me.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know this last time I'm at the game.

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Speaker 1: The guy sitting next to me not met him before,

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Speaker 1: A nice dude, and he says, yeah, I need at

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Speaker 1: least four rebounds for Johnny Furfey. I go, okay, why's that?

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Speaker 1: And he says, well, I wagered on it. But and

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Speaker 1: he said, but the Eddie. You tell me you're Eddie

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Speaker 1: or you a degenerate gambler or have you be?

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Speaker 2: Huh? I can be.

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Speaker 1: I know you and Jimmy used to get involved in

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Speaker 1: that from time to time. Right, you were like dynamite

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Speaker 1: and match when it came to that stuff. Right, sure, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So here's my question. So he was involved in some

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Speaker 1: sort of a gambling thing where you could wager on

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Speaker 1: Johnny Furfey getting at least four rebounds, and then for

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Speaker 1: every rebound after that there was bonus money involved.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting. Hadn't heard of that.

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Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I get two hundred if he gets four,

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Speaker 1: I get an extra fifty. If he gets five, then

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Speaker 1: I've got an and by the end of it, so

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Speaker 1: he's screaming, and there's nothing more annoying than sitting next

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Speaker 1: to that guy, because now all of a sudden, he's

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Speaker 1: sweating bullets with everything. But the point of the story here,

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Speaker 1: long winded, is Johnny Furfey. I think is somebody that

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Speaker 1: this guy, for example, was putting that prop bet on

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Speaker 1: because it almost feels like Scott that's his role right

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Speaker 1: now is to go in there and just keep possessions alive.

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Speaker 1: But he has a very good knack at it, right

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Speaker 1: it Could it be that that strictly is his role,

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Speaker 1: that he's almost like a Jeff Foster type at no

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Speaker 1: different position.

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Speaker 6: I think it is right now. I think he's going

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Speaker 6: to evolve into a lot more. I think he's just

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Speaker 6: twenty one in just starting to take off and get

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Speaker 6: comfortable within the pro game here, and so I think

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Speaker 6: the rebounding something that's been there, the hustle. You're right,

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Speaker 6: I think that is though his current role, but I

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Speaker 6: think he's found something. The Pacers have found something as

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Speaker 6: a team that just struggles as a whole and has

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Speaker 6: my entire time covering this team rebounding the ball.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's get to this first off, Did you

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Speaker 1: find it interesting as I do? Scott Miles Turner is

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Speaker 1: reportedly somebody that Milwaukee could be interested in moving on

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Speaker 1: from I have no idea the validity of that report.

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Speaker 2: Have you heard the same I.

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Speaker 6: Have not heard anything on the Miles Turner front just yet.

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Speaker 6: I think it's everybody right now. Jake is in wait

641
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 6: and see mode from a big fish standpoint to see

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Speaker 6: what's going to happen with Giannis if anything, and then

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00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 6: there will absolutely be a trickle down effect.

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Speaker 2: Scott on the Benedict Matherin front, I got thinking about

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00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: Toronto like the success they've had this year, and it

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Speaker 2: goes back to the trade deadline last year. They were

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Speaker 2: a team that wasn't you know, competing at all last

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Speaker 2: year for anything, and then they make the move at

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Speaker 2: the deadline to acquire Brandon Ingram and then they extend them.

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Speaker 2: So it was more of like a pre agency type

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Speaker 2: of thing. And I believe Tim Bontims of ESPN said

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Speaker 2: something similar along the lines of that many people expect

653
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Speaker 2: the Indiana Pacers to do something similar and dangle Benedict

654
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 2: Matherin out there. When I look at free agents specifically

655
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 2: at Center, the only two names that stick out to me,

656
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: and one of them has been linked to just being available.

657
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 2: Isaiah Hartenstein with the Oklahoma City Thunder and the nicola

658
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 2: Usovich with the Chicago Bulls. Do either of those players

659
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 2: make any sort of sense for the Pacers if either

660
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 2: team is willing to take Matherin in return, Yeah.

661
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 6: I think more so would be Hartenstein, although he's really

662
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 6: been battling injuries this year, has had limited contributions, and

663
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Speaker 6: so I will be curious to see what Oklahoma City decides,

664
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Speaker 6: whether it's at the trade deadline or just wait until

665
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 6: a free agency. I think he has one more year

666
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 6: under his contract, but to me, his contract was kind

667
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 6: of the baseline set for Miles Turner in my opinion,

668
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 6: right right around that twenty eight million dollar number, and

669
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 6: ultimately Miles is getting about twenty five. But he got

670
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 6: four years fully guaranteed, which was a year more than

671
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 6: the Pacers had originally offered for him. So I could

672
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 6: see a Hartenstein potentially Vucevic not not nearly as much

673
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 6: on that front, But pre agency has become a a

674
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Speaker 6: I think that's a lot more teams have undertaken in

675
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 6: the last probably three years. Is the one team the

676
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 6: outgoing team realizes either he's not part of what we're

677
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 6: trying to do anymore, or we don't have the cap

678
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 6: space where we're willing to pay him whatever number he wants.

679
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 6: So the team can go out, especially a smaller market

680
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 6: in Indiana, Milwaukee, for example, Memphis, whatever that has has

681
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 6: trouble courting major free agents or whatever, and so if

682
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 6: they can get them within team control, they can maybe

683
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 6: have their bird rights. That's an advantageous move going into

684
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Speaker 6: the summer when a player is a free agent.

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Speaker 1: Scott hypothetically, okay, give me, give me Scott Agnes's favorite

686
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: lunch spot. Give me a spot you love having lunch.

687
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 6: Let's just go the old staple with Chipotle.

688
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:23,760
Speaker 2: Okay, Chipotle.

689
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Speaker 1: So Ben Matherin calls you up and says, Scott, I

690
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 1: hear you like Chipotle.

691
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 2: I like Chipotle too.

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Speaker 1: So actually, in Ben Matherin's case, I always forget what

693
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: what has been is Ben Matheren Haitian?

694
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Speaker 2: Is that correct?

695
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 6: So yeah, yeah, he was born in Canada, but he

696
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 6: has Haitian.

697
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Speaker 2: That's what I mean. His family is okay, yeah.

698
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Speaker 1: So I you know, okay, So he says, let's go

699
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: to Chipotle. So you said perfect, great, and he says,

700
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Speaker 1: sounds good. How about Friday? The question is is Ben

701
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Speaker 1: Matheren going to be in Indianapolis? On Friday in order

702
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Speaker 1: to take you to Chipotle.

703
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 2: Classic.

704
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Speaker 6: I think right now, I don't see anything of major happening.

705
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 6: A lot can change here in these forty eight hours.

706
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 6: I think seems more likely the move would be for

707
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Speaker 6: them to utilize the rest of their cap space. They

708
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 6: we notably see how they have an empty spot that's

709
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 6: available to absorb a contract. They're about five and a

710
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 6: half million dollars under the cap space. They could utilize

711
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 6: that to add a draft pick or to take on

712
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Speaker 6: a contract for example. Those are the elements that Kevin

713
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 6: Pritchard and Chad Buchanan love doing, is to take back

714
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 6: those assets. With Matherin, I think there's there's constant conversations

715
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Speaker 6: with him, but I don't think there's a necessarily a

716
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Speaker 6: rush because he's a restricted free agent, and I think

717
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 6: it's one of those scenarios, in my opinion, where you

718
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 6: don't force anything here because you can always figure it

719
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Speaker 6: out later.

720
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Speaker 3: You can.

721
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Speaker 6: I mean, you would have a six month window where

722
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 6: you could not trade him, but Matherin's going to have value.

723
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 6: He could continue to add value to his spot. And

724
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Speaker 6: remember he's not healthy and has not been healthy all

725
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Speaker 6: season long and is still competing and playing out there

726
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 6: now through two injuries, so I think he's only going

727
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 6: to get better and add to his value moving forward.

728
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Speaker 6: But to simply answer your question, I think right now, yes,

729
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Speaker 6: he would be there with me first.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you think, But do you think if they

731
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Speaker 1: were to not move him before the deadline, are they

732
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Speaker 1: still actively considering a sign in trade with him? Would

733
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Speaker 1: they would they look for sign and trade before they

734
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Speaker 1: would look for long term deal.

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Speaker 6: I think the number one thing there, Jake would depend

736
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 6: on what the number is right, if it can work

737
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Speaker 6: within their salary cap frame. And right now, I think

738
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Speaker 6: he's wanting a larger number and is expecting a larger number.

739
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Speaker 6: Probably twenty to twenty five million is what you're looking at.

740
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Speaker 6: Josh Giddy, who is drafted in the same spot a

741
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 6: year before him, got twenty five million per year for

742
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Speaker 6: four years. I think that's probably what his hope would

743
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Speaker 6: be with that situation. I'm not sure the Pacers are

744
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 6: quite there with him, because let's forecast next year, what

745
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 6: does the lineup look like? Realistically, Jake, he's your six

746
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 6: man again, I think, and maybe that probably bothers him

747
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 6: a little bit. He likes more of a consistent role.

748
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 6: He likes being in that starting lineup, he likes being

749
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Speaker 6: in the closing lineup like we saw last night as well,

750
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Speaker 6: and so I think there's some things they would have

751
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 6: to sort out there. I don't assume he's gone. I

752
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 6: don't think that. I think that's a dangerous game to

753
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Speaker 6: get into. I think the Pacers have several options here,

754
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 6: and that's why you have to plan one and two

755
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 6: three years out. I think the biggest out underlying factor

756
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 6: in all this is the salary cap, the luxury tax

757
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 6: and what it looks like this upcoming year.

758
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Speaker 1: Pacers and Jazz Tonight at the field House, all the

759
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: coverage field House files from Scott Agnes as well.

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Speaker 3: Scott appreciate the time.

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Speaker 1: As always, you gotta thank you, Jake, Scott Agnes joining

762
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Speaker 1: us on the Java House, Peel and poor guest line,

763
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Speaker 1: Pat Knight out at Marion, that news coming out yesterday.

764
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Speaker 3: I talked to Pat last night.

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Speaker 1: He's going to join us and explain what all went

766
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Speaker 1: down there and his decision, his decision to move on

767
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: from Marion. That happens in twelve minutes. We have put

768
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Speaker 1: temporarily our Seattle Boston music theme for the show on

769
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Speaker 1: hold in order to of course play Elvis, which is

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Speaker 1: a must anytime our next guest joins the program. He,

771
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: of course, when he took the job, came on with us,

772
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: has been on a couple of times since I'm talking

773
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Speaker 1: about the head basketball coach at Marion University. And then

774
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Speaker 1: last night, as I'd mentioned, got word that Pat Knight

775
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Speaker 1: would resign that position. He joins us now on the

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Speaker 1: Java House Peel and poor guest line, Pat, I know

777
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Speaker 1: last night when we talked you, you know, the word

778
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: had just come out that you were going to end

779
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: your tenure at Marion. Where do things stand now in

780
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Speaker 1: terms of whether or not that has taken place or

781
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Speaker 1: you have had that conversation, et cetera.

782
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Speaker 5: Well, there's no conversation.

783
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Speaker 7: I mean, I mean, how the meeting ended, uh yesterday

784
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 7: during the day is pretty obvious that I quit so

785
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 7: and I'm it and it is my usual colorful self.

786
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 7: I let it be known and there was there should

787
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Speaker 7: have been no question about it. So it's I mean,

788
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 7: it was done after during the meeting when they, you know,

789
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 7: want me to fire my assistant coach at the end

790
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Speaker 7: of the season and refuse to do it and keep

791
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 7: harping on it, harping on it, and then you understand

792
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 7: and people's true colors come out, some red flags come out,

793
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 7: and it's like, as a coach, this is won't end good.

794
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 7: And so I just quit. Then you know, I'm not

795
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 7: gonna I'm the head coach. I'm not gonna fire my assistant.

796
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 7: And that did nothing, and so it was done immediately,

797
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 7: you know, when I left that meeting. Now they thought

798
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 7: I wasn't serious. What but obviously they know now because

799
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 7: you know, I've released it to the median stuff and

800
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 7: uh but yeah, no, it's stands the same. I'm done

801
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 7: coaching and there and I just refuse. I'm not going

802
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 7: to fire one of my assistants.

803
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 5: And no one really knows that.

804
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 7: They fired my part time guy. Just that makes ten

805
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 7: thousand dollars lives away. And I don't know if they're

806
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 7: upset because he went down at the games wherever, but

807
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 7: we just talked to him on the phone and emails

808
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 7: and stuff, and they just told him he was off

809
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 7: the payroll without you know, consulting me. You know, so

810
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 7: when the administrations for all the coaches out there, trust me,

811
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 7: if they start messing with your staff, start questioning X

812
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 7: and o's and players when they never go to practice

813
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 7: or are involved it is it is a major red flag.

814
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's go back to this.

815
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Speaker 1: You know, I know obviously for the season, the season

816
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: wasn't going as I'm sure you would have hoped or

817
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,479
Speaker 1: liked in me. And I don't mean I'm just going

818
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: off record. Maybe you looked at it and said, no,

819
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: we were actually you know, starting to develop something.

820
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Speaker 3: You know, so correct me if I'm wrong there.

821
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: But you had had a disappointing loss at Goshen, you

822
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: had been ejected from that game, and then after that

823
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: seemingly is when this meeting took place and everything came

824
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Speaker 1: to a head. So take me back kind of through

825
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: what like the last week looked like and how this

826
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: all eventually combusted.

827
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Speaker 5: Well what happens.

828
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 7: Is so no, I get thrown out of the game

829
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 7: for you know, first half, and the problem was after

830
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 7: the game it was mayhem, you know, take away the

831
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 7: referee and you know, I got my wife and I

832
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 7: got confronted by fans the stuff that was being said. Well,

833
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 7: a fight broke out during the handshake line. You know,

834
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 7: I'm not out there and everything and so you know,

835
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 7: and the other schools talking about, you know, we're gonna

836
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 7: send this commissioner and we're like, do it, you know,

837
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 7: because we had a.

838
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 5: Bunch of people to back everything.

839
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 7: Up, and that no security. I mean, I had parents

840
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 7: that were scared for their lives, you know, coming back

841
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 7: in the locker room. Had one father that had a

842
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 7: step in because fans started coming in trying to get

843
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 7: to our players and stuff.

844
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 5: It was Mayhem. But I'm not there.

845
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 7: I'm out. I'm in the back, you know, on the phone,

846
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 7: you know, because I'm not allowed out there. My wife

847
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 7: comes in scared to death and like, we got to

848
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 7: get out here. We got to this place is out

849
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 7: of control, and so it was Mayham. So finally we're

850
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 7: able to They're able to clear everything out, get to

851
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 7: the bus and so the whole deal is, so I

852
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 7: go in yesterday and there was no big deal about me,

853
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 7: uh getting the techtos. You know, I'm suspended for the

854
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 7: next game. But now my assistants.

855
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 5: Supposed to take over.

856
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 7: And I'm told, you know, your assistant coach cannot coach

857
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:39,959
Speaker 7: the game.

858
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 5: You ain't the fire him.

859
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 7: At the end of the year, he lost total control,

860
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 7: putting the blame on him really for what happened with

861
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 7: the mayhem and stuff and talking about video of this,

862
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,479
Speaker 7: pictures this. Then we find out no one's even seeing

863
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 7: the videos or pictures. No one's talked to our side, parents,

864
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 7: my wife, anybody. I mean, just you know, you don't

865
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 7: that on somebody won his fault and uh so that's

866
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 7: what really upset me. But then comes out the true stuff. Well,

867
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Speaker 7: you guys are the only one you know, I'll talk

868
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 7: about your record and this and that. That's what it

869
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 7: comes down to.

870
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 5: You know.

871
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 7: So I get it if we were if we had

872
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 7: a good record, nothing would have been set, you know.

873
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 7: But I'm not gonna let my sister get pinned for something.

874
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 7: And you haven't investigated or watched video or or seen

875
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 7: the pictures and stuff, and uh interviewed our people, like

876
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 7: you know, my wife's upset. She I mean, they want

877
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 7: a great experience for her. But I was talking to

878
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 7: you know, so it's like, you know, I don't need

879
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 7: the bs, you know, and I'm not going to fire

880
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 7: a guy that.

881
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 5: Didn't do anything.

882
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 7: And then my guys actually went over and discussed it,

883
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 7: and now he's gonna coach uh tomorrow. So that's how

884
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 7: that's how it happened. I mean so, but I don't

885
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 7: need that stuff in my life. You know, too old,

886
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 7: and it's just too many red flags from a coaching Standboy,

887
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 7: it's not gonna end well, you know when I don't

888
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 7: feel there's any support.

889
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 5: So that's why I quit.

890
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: Your assistant coach.

891
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 1: Who is now the interim head coach is Todd Howard, who,

892
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: of course was a head coach at i ep Y,

893
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: came up through the ranks at Louisville his coach to

894
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: the high school area. I know him on a personal level, admittedly,

895
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: pat not on a basketball level. On a personal level,

896
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: I know Todd Howard as being a very kind and

897
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: loyal guy. To be honest with you, from what I

898
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: know now, I'm not in practices. I don't know his

899
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 1: ex's and o's right, what is your overall? I guess

900
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: what would you say about Todd Howard now as he

901
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: takes over the interim position from the one that you vacated.

902
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 7: When, man, I mean, he came and saw me last night,

903
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 7: you know, and he's and you know I told him

904
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 7: coach these kids. You know, it's not the kids fault

905
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 7: to shoot. We love our kids, man, and coach him

906
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 7: up and they'll allow you to coach, you know, but

907
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 7: you know they want me to fire you the end

908
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 7: of the season. So but coach, you know, if to

909
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 7: allow you to coach, you know, coach the rest of

910
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 7: the year, I mean, because you know he's worried about

911
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 7: you don't want to be dismoiled. And that has nothing

912
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 7: to do with it. I mean, this is totally my decision.

913
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 7: And uh, when you when you tell me to fire

914
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 7: a guy and you already fired my part time guy

915
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 7: that didn't do anything, and you want me to fire

916
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 7: guy that best assistant I've ever seen man works his

917
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 7: butt off everything, and you know that's not how this operates.

918
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 7: And I don't need it, and you know it's not

919
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 7: you know, it's almost a guy in like this high school.

920
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 7: Let's listen to everybody whether this person says that person said,

921
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 7: you know, it's not it's just changed, uh too much,

922
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 7: And so yeah, I got no problem. Just quit on

923
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 7: the spot, I mean, you know, And and they think

924
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 7: you're going to just bow down, like yeah, I'll do that.

925
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 7: And some guys do that, you know, change their staff

926
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 7: and everything. And now not me, you know, I'll fall

927
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 7: on the sword.

928
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 5: So I quit.

929
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: Pat you obviously, Pat Knight is my guest a house

930
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: peel and poor guest.

931
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: Line.

932
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: You know, you have been around basketball your whole life,

933
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: and your father had a very close relationship, at least

934
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: from the outside looking at it, with Steve Downing. Steve

935
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: Downing who had played for him, Steve Downing who was

936
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: on your father's first Final four team, who went with

937
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: your dad to Texas Tech and ultimately became the athletic

938
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: director at Marion. And I would assume is the one

939
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: that you, along with the staff perhaps of the university,

940
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: that this all went down with. What does it do

941
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: with your relationship to Steve with Steve Downing? And did

942
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: it make it uncomfortable?

943
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 7: Uh no, I mean I understand he's an administrator, so

944
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 7: and he really became an administrator then. But you know,

945
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 7: it is what it is. You know, I stood up

946
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 7: and what I believe? You know, am I disappointed?

947
00:50:58,360 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 5: Yeah?

948
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 7: But he can say he's just point it. You know, Hey,

949
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 7: there's no love off there. I still love them. It's

950
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 7: it's business. But that doesn't change how I think about it.

951
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 7: I look, you know, someone tells me that stuff.

952
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 5: I don't care who you are.

953
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 7: I mean, it's not that that's not how this works.

954
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 7: And uh so yeah, it's an odd uh situation of

955
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 7: being but it's part of it. You know, when you

956
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 7: get the jobs you everything had come to that. No,

957
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 7: but when it does, that doesn't make it okay, you

958
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 7: know in my mind. So yeah, I'm not really concerned.

959
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 5: You know.

960
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 7: Uh, I still love them, you know, shit, I love

961
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm sorry about that.

962
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 5: I love Uh. I mean, where's your real fan?

963
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 7: I love Mary and you know, uh the President Elsner

964
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 7: and uh our CEO for it's I mean, shit, god

965
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 7: dang it.

966
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 5: I'm sorry. Uh.

967
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 7: It's a great place, you know, but I got to

968
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 7: stand up where I believe in.

969
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 5: You know, I wasn't playing on it, you know.

970
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 7: I just started to go in get I slap on

971
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 7: the wrists, suspension and uh go on with it, and

972
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 7: you know, had a good recruit class come in, get

973
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 7: after it next year. But I refuse when administration starts

974
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 7: getting involved in the basketball aspect of it, that that

975
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 7: is a red flag for any coach.

976
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: Was that a I'll use the term pat PTSD. In

977
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: other words, you've had experience with this before with administration,

978
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: and you know you can go back to the way

979
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: it ended with your father in Indiana and when you

980
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 1: were on the staff there, did those things creep into

981
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: your mind? Did you start to hear those things that

982
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: reminded you of other things you've been involved with that

983
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: you didn't want to go back to.

984
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 7: Oh definitely, That's why I was like done. And then

985
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 7: you know, my poor assistant, he kept caught, come back,

986
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 7: just come back, you know, come back tomorrow. You know

987
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 7: they I don't think, they don't believe that you really

988
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 7: meant it come out. I was like, those are red flags,

989
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 7: trust me, right, I know where this ends up. These

990
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 7: are red flags. I'm done. And that's why I made

991
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 7: the announcement last night to some people. So it's out

992
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 7: there like there's no you know, going back and uh yeah,

993
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 7: it is like he can't ask you like, whoa wait,

994
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 7: oh I know where this is going, Okay, show you

995
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 7: true colors.

996
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, here we go.

997
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 2: Pat.

998
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: From a coaching standpoint, the reality is this Pat Knight,

999
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: my guest on the Java House peel and poor guest

1000
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: line you know, And I'll go back and maybe I'm

1001
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm jeopardizing you know, professional objectivity here.

1002
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1003
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: But for those that don't know, I think most do

1004
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: you know, I knew you in college. We were neighbors

1005
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: in college, and you were you know, you were a

1006
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: guy with all of our group of friends that was

1007
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: just laid back, loyal to all of us. For certainly

1008
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: loyal to all of us. And you know, growing up

1009
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: in Indiana and knowing the giant that was Bob Knight,

1010
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: it was surreal for me from a friend's standpoint at

1011
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: times to kind of step back and be like, man,

1012
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: that's Knight's kid, you know, I mean it because you

1013
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: weren't that after a while, right, it was just you

1014
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: were just pat like part of the group. Oh and

1015
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: so with that from a coaching world standpoint, I know

1016
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: that being the son of Bob Knight afforded you opportunities,

1017
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: But did it also make coaching that much more challenging

1018
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: for you? And how did you handle all of the

1019
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: pressure and maybe unfair expectation that comes with being the

1020
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: son of one of the basketball's greatest minds.

1021
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, it's a negative and a positive positive

1022
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 7: opened up doors, but then a negative. It's like people

1023
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 7: can't separate the two, you know, And you know I'm

1024
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 7: just you know, fighting for my life, man, you know,

1025
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 7: But they can't separate too. So if you do something, oh,

1026
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 7: he's just like his dad, or why didn't you know

1027
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 7: his dad would do this?

1028
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 5: And that's and that's any kid that fallows his dad,

1029
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 5: I don't care if it's a business.

1030
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 7: You know, if you have a son he falls in

1031
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 7: to the media business, you know, he's going to be

1032
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 7: as good as you've done and be compa uh compared.

1033
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 7: You know, the smartest thing would have done. I'd have

1034
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 7: never gotten in a coaching but and you didn't even

1035
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 7: have to worry about that. But you know, I wanted

1036
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 7: to do it. Love basketball, and it's just part of it.

1037
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 7: And yeah, it it wears you out, you know. But

1038
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 7: it wore my dad out just being Bob Knight. I

1039
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 7: mean that was even worse than being Bob Knight's son.

1040
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 7: I mean he had you know, when.

1041
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 5: You're a legend. I saw how it wore him out

1042
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 5: just being who he was.

1043
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 7: And so it's tough. It's just a tough profession all around. Uh,

1044
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 7: no matter what your last name is, you know. So,

1045
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 7: but yeah, it was tough, but you just you kind

1046
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 7: of ignore it, but you have to admit that it

1047
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 7: wears you down.

1048
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 5: And and it's.

1049
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 7: Always a relief. If you can quit on your own

1050
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 7: terms or you get fired. Any coach will tell you

1051
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 7: it's actually a relief.

1052
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 5: To get out of there.

1053
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 2: Do you feel relieved today?

1054
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 7: Oh my god, I felt relief when I said what

1055
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 7: I did and walked out the door. When you can

1056
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 7: tell people what you think and quit on your own terms,

1057
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 7: it's unbelievable.

1058
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: Do you believe that you when you say your own terms?

1059
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: Do you believe that had you've written it out that

1060
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: it would have been on their terms? Do you think

1061
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: you would have made it to next year?

1062
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 5: Oh? Yeah, no, they want to be stayed. But I

1063
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 5: had a fire. I had to fire.

1064
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 7: You know, you can win, We know you can win,

1065
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 7: but you got to fire your assistant and and uh

1066
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 7: so you know, I mean the whole deal wash. You

1067
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 7: know it's going to take you, h two or three

1068
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 7: years get your player. It's the same everywhere, two or

1069
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 7: three years, get your players. Yeah, they tell you that,

1070
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 7: but then you know things aren't going well, you know,

1071
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 7: and there's stuff said.

1072
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 5: You know they'll pop off out of record.

1073
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 7: Well, guys, before you know, they won fifteen games for

1074
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 7: in It's like, oh okay, here, come, okay, I know

1075
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 7: where this is going. You know, there's no more. Hey,

1076
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 7: get guys in here, develop them, blah blah blah. You know,

1077
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 7: it's an instant coffee society. And I was hoping you

1078
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 7: get down a lower level. You know, it's not there,

1079
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 7: but now it's it's everywhere. And so that's why, you know,

1080
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 7: I had no problem.

1081
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 5: I mean, it was a relief when I walked out

1082
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 5: that door.

1083
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 2: Do you think you'll again coach someday or is it no?

1084
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 8: No?

1085
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 7: Please please just come not going. There's no way I

1086
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 7: should I shouldn't have done it, but it's great. I

1087
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 7: got back to Indianapolis, back home, and it's good for

1088
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 7: my wife, and.

1089
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 5: I gave it one more try, and I feel at peace.

1090
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 7: You know, it's just uh it's passed me by from

1091
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 7: a coach standpoint, just the personalities and it's a different

1092
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 7: ball game, you know. So yeah, I'm at peace.

1093
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 5: I'm good.

1094
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 7: But no, I you know, hopefully get back into the

1095
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 7: NBA scouting which I left and probably dumb for doing it,

1096
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 7: but uh, live in a great location, being Indie or

1097
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 7: century located, go cover many games. So and that's why

1098
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 7: I want to do anyway. I wanted to do this

1099
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 7: for four or five years, get it going, let my

1100
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 7: assistant take over and can get back into the NBA

1101
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 7: scouting and so that's what you know, I would like

1102
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 7: to do, get back into the NBA scouting deal for

1103
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 7: next season and get back to that.

1104
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: Having coached Pat and looking back at your coaching career,

1105
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: Pat Night, my guest, you know you had success. You know,

1106
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: you went to the NCAA Tournament with Lamar. You had

1107
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: failure at places through both of those things. What did

1108
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: coaching and doing it yourself teach you about your father

1109
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: that you never realized as a younger man.

1110
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 7: I mean, to be as successful as he was. I mean,

1111
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 7: it's amazing to keep it going that long, you know,

1112
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 7: and people took it, you know, took it for granted,

1113
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 7: you know, making all those forget about the three national

1114
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 7: championships that's unheard of to begin with, just but making

1115
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 7: it to the nca tournament, all those straight years, winning

1116
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 7: all those big ten champions I mean, just going through

1117
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 7: that pressure and to keep the energy up, you know,

1118
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 7: because I mean you're dealing with kids, you know, you

1119
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 7: got every day you gotta you know, push him, pull

1120
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 7: them along, yell at him, talk to him. I mean

1121
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 7: it is draining and to do it for all those years,

1122
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 7: Like I remember, I thought he should have retired years before,

1123
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 7: but he still got after it and the energy and

1124
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 7: guys would be like, you know, the younger guys like

1125
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 7: Bras Season, you know, how long has your dad been

1126
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 7: doing it? And I tell him, oh my gosh, I

1127
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 7: don't want to be doing it that long. How's he

1128
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 7: got the energy? And it's amazing that.

1129
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 5: Even when he retired, I.

1130
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 7: Mean, he could have kept going. I mean just the

1131
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 7: energy and just the work ethic and just the grind,

1132
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 7: just wanting to do it, do it, do it. And

1133
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 7: I actually I think that's what you know, you see

1134
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 7: a lot of these coaches now that have been affected

1135
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 7: by Alzheimer's. I think a lot could be said for

1136
00:59:55,240 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 7: the grind and the how the stress you put on

1137
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 7: yourself mentally just to keep it going like that has

1138
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 7: caused a lot of those problems.

1139
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: And the constant honestly, Pat, I mean this sincerely. You know,

1140
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: we don't know with Alzheimer's, right, it's an unknown frontier,

1141
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: but the constant, the brain constantly having to go twenty

1142
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: three and a half hours a day, right.

1143
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 7: Go, go go, And it's just like it's amazing. Yeah,

1144
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 7: I mean he was amazing, you know, being around him,

1145
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 7: and then and then hey, let's go, let's go hunting

1146
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 7: for three hours? What we just watched Tate? Can we

1147
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 7: take a break? I mean he was just and it

1148
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 7: wasn't just the basketball. I mean he was go, go, go,

1149
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 7: I mean constantly. And I think maybe the brain because

1150
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 7: Brad Stevens and I have talked about it, because you know,

1151
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 7: he's involved with the Alzheimer's deal, because his father in

1152
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 7: law and we we were talking about without scouting about

1153
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 7: there's got to be something with these coaches. It's like

1154
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 7: almost the brain just gets fried just from the constant go,

1155
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 7: the constant pressure, the constant you know, there's just no rest.

1156
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: What did it teach you about you? Not about your dad,

1157
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: but coach? What did what did coaching teach Pat Knight about?

1158
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 2: Pat Knight?

1159
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 5: Just?

1160
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 7: I think it taught me, you know that I think

1161
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 7: I've helped some kids. I think I think if you

1162
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 7: talk most guys I coach that you know, I helped

1163
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 7: them along the way. And the one is just a

1164
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 7: basketball standpoint, trying to like my dad did, try to

1165
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 7: make them in a minut you know, I stressed with

1166
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 7: the team this year. You know, this isn't just about

1167
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 7: the one loss on the court. This is you got

1168
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 7: a deal in real life society. You know, you get

1169
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 7: out of here, you screw up, you lose your job.

1170
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 7: You know, well, what are you.

1171
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 5: Going to do? Then? Can you handle it?

1172
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 7: You can't have uh mommy and daddy write a letter,

1173
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 7: you know, like like these kids do now in college

1174
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 7: or or high school, you know, tod ads and stuff

1175
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 7: complaining about this and that. I mean, you got to

1176
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 7: grow up, you know, this is college. You got to

1177
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 7: grow up. And I think I've been able to help

1178
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 7: some kids that way. You know, I never got any

1179
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,479
Speaker 7: stress in the record stuff, you know, because I wanted

1180
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 7: my day. I want my dad never pretended to be

1181
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 7: and all I ever won to I made its NANCA Tournament,

1182
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 7: the n I t and I think I was able

1183
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 7: to help some kids along, you know. I mean I

1184
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 7: still hear from some guys thanking me for everything I

1185
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 7: told them, and that's me. That's what coaches about. That's

1186
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 7: why I got back in it. I think I've even

1187
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 7: though the one is this year and a half, I

1188
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 7: think I helped some kids when I was married, and

1189
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 7: that's the best part.

1190
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: Pat Lastly, Pat Knight is my guest, the now former

1191
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: head basketball coach at Marion, also coached, of course at

1192
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: Texas Tech and Lamar also in the NBA. I guess

1193
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: G League would it be known as now? But the CBA?

1194
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 1: I guess is where you Wisconsin?

1195
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 5: Right?

1196
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 2: Was it the CBA League then.

1197
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, it'll be the they combined the two leagues. I

1198
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 7: was in IBA CBA into the G League.

1199
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: Ok So, so, Pat, you grew up obviously in Bloomington.

1200
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:57,439
Speaker 3: I mean everyone knows that.

1201
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: Okay, if I would have stopped up to you at

1202
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 1: the age of seventeen or eighteen, which would have been

1203
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: a more unlikely thing for you to envision that you

1204
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: would someday take over a big time Power five college

1205
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: basketball program for your dad as a head coach, or

1206
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: that Indiana University would be the home of the college

1207
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: football National champions Oh the football.

1208
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 7: I mean, like if we were talking about my dad

1209
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 7: would be so Jack. I mean we talked to he

1210
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 7: loved like Lee Corso. You know Bill Mallory, I mean

1211
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 7: he begged him not to get rid of coach Mallock

1212
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 7: because he's really the only guy, you know, to sustain

1213
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 7: the success. And there's no way. We talked about my dad,

1214
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 7: it always show him n He's like, man, whoever's a

1215
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 7: coach here, You're not going to out recruit Ohio State, Michigan.

1216
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 7: I mean, this is not going to happen in the Midwest.

1217
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 7: But that's what's so great. You know, people complain about, Yeah,

1218
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 7: there are problems with it, but the portal and Nil

1219
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 7: made it an even playing field and it was so cool.

1220
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 7: I never never would put money on that. I mean,

1221
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 7: that was that was a really cool thing for anybody

1222
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 7: not just grew up in Bloomington went to Indiana, but

1223
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 7: I think it was just cool for anybody that lives

1224
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 7: in the United States to see that happen.

1225
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:18,919
Speaker 2: You know, were you rooting for them?

1226
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 1: Because I know that you have a fractured relationship with

1227
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: Indiana University at the end, who did you?

1228
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,439
Speaker 3: I'm assuming just but I know that you went back.

1229
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: But you know because of the way that things went

1230
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: down with your dad from a coaching standpoint, Oh.

1231
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, but those people are gone, you know. I mean

1232
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 7: Scott Dolson baby said me, man, you know, come on,

1233
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 7: I'm not going to root again Scott Dolson, you know,

1234
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 7: and everybody's gone. You know how it is you're younger stuff.

1235
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 7: When it happens, yeah, you're gonna have You're gonna be

1236
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 7: upset and not like it. But no, no, shoot, I'm

1237
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 7: way past that.

1238
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 9: No.

1239
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 5: I root for coach to breathe. I mean.

1240
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 7: The football team. I want him to do well. I mean,

1241
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 7: I I love Indiana. I you know, I don't go

1242
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 7: down there because a lot and I'll go down to

1243
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 7: my mom and well stepmom. But the problem for me

1244
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 7: is it's not that I don't like Blueton. Everyone still

1245
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 7: thinks I'm that fifteen year old hell rage, you know,

1246
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 7: people bring up well back, I'm like, I'm fifty five

1247
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 7: years old.

1248
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 5: Yes I did some stupid things, but I didn't do

1249
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 5: it yesterday. Cut me a break.

1250
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:22,919
Speaker 7: So when I go down there, I like to visit

1251
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 7: quickly and get back out.

1252
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 5: But no, I you know, I root for him. And

1253
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 5: uh you know, like I'm going back.

1254
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 7: Down Monday for the Oregon game because they're honoring the

1255
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 7: seventy sixteen and Quinn and those guys asked if I'd

1256
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 7: come down just to represent my dad. So yeah, I mean,

1257
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 7: I'd do anything for Indiana and got no problem. And

1258
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 7: I root for the basketball team, the women's basketball I

1259
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 7: mean football. I mean, that's way way.

1260
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 5: In the past.

1261
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: By the way, Scott Dolson, baby sat you and you

1262
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: were you were nineteen at the time, right, isn't that right?

1263
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 5: When I was nineteen?

1264
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm saying I'm joking, saying when you were there,

1265
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,439
Speaker 1: Scott Dolson probably still was keeping you on the straight

1266
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: and arrow, right.

1267
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was twelve.

1268
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 7: No, I was probably I don't know, thirteen, twelve thirteen

1269
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 7: and he's and he won the only one that was problem.

1270
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 7: It was probably the main problem being a manager for

1271
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 7: my dad. You got stuck taking care of me down

1272
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 7: the road, you know, I mean, how would you like

1273
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 7: to be a manager? You got to put up with

1274
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 7: my dad's be a Oh by the way, you got

1275
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 7: a room with his messed up son, Pat.

1276
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 5: So.

1277
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 2: You got to know all the guys, right, Yeah.

1278
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 7: The managers were great, so you know, but I put

1279
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 7: him Yeah, yeah, I put him through a ringer.

1280
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 3: Well, Pat, I appreciate the time.

1281
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: As we get closer as the pacers, we'll see what

1282
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: happens with the pacer season and where you end up

1283
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: from a scouting standpoint. But love to have you back

1284
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 1: on maybe break down some pacer stuff as well, because

1285
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: I know you know that roster.

1286
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 7: Well yeah, I mean I hadn't been on it so long,

1287
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 7: so I was like, what can I do? And I

1288
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 7: was like, you know what, I'm just gonna quit and

1289
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 7: then maybe Jake will have me off.

1290
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 2: There you go.

1291
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 1: All right, Well, congratulations only Swart twice. We appreciate it.

1292
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,919
Speaker 1: All right, guys, all right, Pat night joining us on

1293
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 1: the program.

1294
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:13,479
Speaker 2: I would come back.

1295
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: I mentioned it earlier in terms of the colts and

1296
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame voting, there might be if you're

1297
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: reading tea leaves some indication the way this may go,

1298
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: and it could be good news bad news.

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01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 3: I'll explain and we'll hear from one of the voters next.

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01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: Now, Eddie, I would normally scold you because you did

1301
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 1: not stick with our musical theme of the day here, however,

1302
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 1: everybody wants to rule the world. Great song, and I

1303
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 1: guess if you rule the world, some would say that

1304
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 1: makes you a king, right or a champion or that.

1305
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 1: Before we get to some kind of breaking Pacers news here,

1306
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 1: let's talk about when I say the king, Peter King,

1307
01:07:54,600 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: And you know Peter King, I've always had a great

1308
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 1: deal of respect for him. Longtime NFL SI writer I

1309
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: think you could say kind of the dean, as we

1310
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: say Mike Chapples, the dean of sports writers in Central

1311
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: Indiana when it comes to the NFL.

1312
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 3: Peter King has always kind of been the.

1313
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: Face dean of the old school typewriter football journalist. And

1314
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 1: I felt bad for him to an extent. And I

1315
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 1: don't mean this in a condescending fashion at all. I

1316
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 1: mean it from a place of respect. But I recall

1317
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: late in his tenure when he did Monday Morning Quarterback,

1318
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: which was always a good read. But there was one

1319
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: time on social media towards the end of his career

1320
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 1: where he sent a thing that said, just got done

1321
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: doing six thousand words for this week's Monday Morning Quarterback.

1322
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 1: And I remember thinking to myself, that's not keeping up

1323
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: with the trend of what the consumer once And it

1324
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: just shows the evolution that of father time is undefeated,

1325
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 1: because I'm like, yeah, man, in today's day, people want

1326
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:12,600
Speaker 1: something in sixty words, not six thousand, right. But nonetheless,

1327
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 1: a not only a great writer and by all account

1328
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 1: a good guy, but a well respected one. He is

1329
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 1: clearly and obviously a voter for the Hall of Fame.

1330
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 1: Now as we are trying to figure out if you

1331
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 1: will whether or not Reggie Wayne, who is I believe

1332
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: in his sixth or seventh year of eligibility, or Adam

1333
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: Military are going to get into the Hall of Fame.

1334
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:42,959
Speaker 3: Those are the two who have service with the Colts.

1335
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, both of them, if they were to

1336
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: get in, would have the same name plate under their name,

1337
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts, New England Patriots.

1338
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:54,640
Speaker 3: In Reggie Wayne's.

1339
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:55,759
Speaker 1: Case, I don't know if it would say New England

1340
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 1: Patriots because he did not play a regular season game

1341
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:03,440
Speaker 1: with him, but he did he was signed by them.

1342
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: Either way, The reality is that there are only so

1343
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: many spots, and when you hear about Robert Kraft and

1344
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick not getting in this year, you think, well,

1345
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 1: that's good news for those two different category, different list

1346
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 1: from which the choice is being made. But Reggie Wayne

1347
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: is eligible this year along with Tory Holt, two wide

1348
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 1: receivers that I actually covered both of them because the

1349
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: only other team that I've covered in the NFL is

1350
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: the Saint Louis Rams when I lived and worked in

1351
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 1: Saint Louis and that was the early tenure of Tory

1352
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: Holt's career. Fabulous player. Here's what Peter King had to

1353
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 1: say about his reasoning and justification for not presumably placing

1354
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:58,799
Speaker 1: his ballot for those two wide receivers.

1355
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:03,639
Speaker 8: They were excellent play and they both played big roles

1356
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 8: in their team. I'm just not a believer that they

1357
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 8: are singular players. And I think to get into the

1358
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 8: Hall of Fame you have to be a little bit

1359
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 8: more than somebody. I mean, Reggie Wayne caught over a

1360
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 8: thousand balls, Torey Holt caught over nine hundred. They each

1361
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 8: obviously have a lot of touchdowns. But I can think

1362
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 8: of a lot of receivers in NFL history who didn't

1363
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 8: get drafted by the Indianapolis Colts. They got drafted by

1364
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 8: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and they had whoever throw into

1365
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 8: him and not Peyton Manning. And they didn't have Kurt

1366
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 8: Warner in his prime, you know, with the incredible years

1367
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 8: that he had. But if you asked me to name

1368
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 8: the amount of great catches and the amount of you know,

1369
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 8: plays he made in the field, that I just said, wow,

1370
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 8: look at that. Now, that's an incredible receiver. Just sorry,

1371
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 8: I just didn't see that.

1372
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 1: Here is the counterpoint I would make to that, And

1373
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 1: I understand that about Reggie Wayne. And that's always been

1374
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 1: And I remember thinking in Reggie Wayne's twilight of his career,

1375
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 1: wondering whether or not he was going to be demerited

1376
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 1: because he played with Peyton Manning and that seemed to

1377
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 1: go out the window when Edrin James got in and

1378
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 1: then when he was, you know, becoming a finalist.

1379
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:45,879
Speaker 2: Reggie Wayne.

1380
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 1: Obviously Marvin Harrison got in very early, but you wondered

1381
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 1: if there was going to be a player that was

1382
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: going to fall victim to the Yeah, but he had

1383
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning throwing to him.

1384
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1385
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: But Peyton Manning made Pro Bowl players out of Brandon Stokely.

1386
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 1: I don't know about Pro Bowl, but big names out

1387
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: of Brandon Stokely.

1388
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 2: And you know, would.

1389
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:14,679
Speaker 1: Dallas Clark was a wonderful player, But would other tight

1390
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 1: ends have had the numbers they had if it wasn't

1391
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 1: for Peyton Manning throwing to them and etc.

1392
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 2: Where that argument to me falls flat or hits a

1393
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 2: wall is this.

1394
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: I think Reggie Wayne is a Hall of Famer. And

1395
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 1: the reason I think Reggie Wayne is a Hall of

1396
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 1: Famer and maybe there's a bias here. Maybe there's a

1397
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:40,919
Speaker 1: bias because in the last three years of his career.

1398
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:43,680
Speaker 1: I was one of the two co hosts of The

1399
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: Reggie Wayne Show and did a radio show with him

1400
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 1: every Tuesday. It's not to say I hung out with him,

1401
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 1: not to say that I got to know him well.

1402
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: I'm not dead, but I saw the dedication and the commitment.

1403
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 1: I knew of the waking up at five am to

1404
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 1: work out before seven, before even going into the complex.

1405
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 1: You know, I knew about all of the aspects of

1406
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 1: what he was doing. And that does not make you

1407
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 1: and automatically punch your time card into the Hall of Fame. Seemingly, most,

1408
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: if not all players are that way. I'm sure there

1409
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 1: are average players right now that are the forty eighth

1410
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 1: man on the roster of the Washington Commanders that are

1411
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 1: getting up at five o'clock in the morning.

1412
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean they're Hall of famers.

1413
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: But what Reggie Wayne did was took himself from being

1414
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 1: behind the defense. You know, catch everything that comes his way.

1415
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 1: Receiver that didn't have blazing breakaway speed, but was a

1416
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: precision route runner, was a diligent, crafty guy at getting

1417
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 1: himself open and making sure that if it was in

1418
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 1: his area, he was going to.

1419
01:14:58,800 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 2: Come down with it.

1420
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 1: But what he most did to me to cement his

1421
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame candidacy. The game that sticks out the

1422
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 1: most was the Chuck Pagano game. When Chuck Pegana was

1423
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 1: stricken with leukemia, was not there. The Colts wanted to

1424
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: rally around and dedicate a game to him. Reggie Wayne

1425
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 1: got a hold of and I think it was either

1426
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns or the Miami Dolphins, but a team

1427
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 1: that allows orange in its uniform. He took the fine

1428
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: for the violation of the NFL's uniform policy. That does

1429
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 1: not make him a Hall of Famer, taking a fine

1430
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 1: for symbolically wearing orange gloves as a tribute to leukemia awareness.

1431
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: But in that game, and maybe I'm biased because I

1432
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 1: did a radio show with him literally the next day,

1433
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 1: because I think it was a Monday night game, maybe

1434
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 1: it was a Sunday game, But in that game where

1435
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 1: Reggie Wayne caught everything. In that game where Reggie Wayne,

1436
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: the Colts needed to get a win and they were

1437
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:19,639
Speaker 1: probably the underdog, but he had one of his most

1438
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: brilliant games as a professional. But he did so not

1439
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 1: only symbolically when his team most needed when his coach

1440
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 1: most needed it. He did it because he had reinvented

1441
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 1: the kind of wide receiver he was. Most wide receivers

1442
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: have a shelf life of seven to nine years, and

1443
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 1: when the speed or the ability to make precise cuts

1444
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 1: goes away, they fade off into the sunset. And Reggie

1445
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 1: Wayne reinvented himself as a dynamic possession receiver and a

1446
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 1: guy that off the line could make one or two moves,

1447
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,639
Speaker 1: turn around and catch whatever was coming his way. And yes,

1448
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:01,679
Speaker 1: he had Andrew lucknow throwing him the football. But Andrew

1449
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: Luck was an out of the womb successful quarterback in

1450
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:09,799
Speaker 1: the NFL, largely because he had the most reliable weapon

1451
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 1: and leader to throw to. And Reggie Wayne was not

1452
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 1: the same receiver in the later years that he was

1453
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 1: in the earlier years because the precision allowed him to

1454
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 1: reinvent himself and become one of the best at his

1455
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 1: position in a variety of ways from the way in

1456
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 1: which he originally was. That to me puts him over

1457
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 1: the top. Tory Holt the same. You could say Tory

1458
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 1: Holt did everything with Kurt Warner. Really, can you look

1459
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: up for me, Eddie real quick? What years Kurt Warner

1460
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 1: left the RAMS. I know he obviously started in two

1461
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: thousand and then he went to New York and kind

1462
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 1: of lost his way and then recaptured it in Arizona.

1463
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:56,759
Speaker 1: But what year did Kurt Warner play his final season

1464
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 1: with the Rams?

1465
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 2: Two thousand and three. Also, we do have some NBA

1466
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 2: breaking news real quick, Okay, this is a big trade, Jake,

1467
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 2: involving somebody from Central Indiana. The Memphis Grizzlies are treading

1468
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 2: Jaron Jackson Junior, John Conchard, Jack Londale, and Vince Williams

1469
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 2: Junior to the Utah Jazz for Walter Clayton Junior, Kyle Anderson,

1470
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 2: Taylor Hendricks, George nieing in three future first round threeks. Okay,

1471
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 2: big trade for the Jazz. Did you say John Muran

1472
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 2: was in that? No?

1473
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 1: Okay, John Conshar. I believe he went to Prdue Fort Wayne, correct.

1474
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 1: And obviously you said Jackson was in there, right, Jared

1475
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:40,759
Speaker 1: Jackson Junior, Yes, from Park Tutor.

1476
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 2: Yes.

1477
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,640
Speaker 1: So that that leads us to something we're going to

1478
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:46,759
Speaker 1: talk about tonight. Eddie might be suiting up in tonight's

1479
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,720
Speaker 1: game for either side. But I want to route up

1480
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 1: my point here. Kurt Warner left Saint Louis in two

1481
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 1: thousand and three, Tory Holt started, played sixteen games at

1482
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 1: four started, played fourteen games and five started, played sixteen

1483
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:04,719
Speaker 1: games in six started, played sixteen games and O seven

1484
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 1: started fourteen played in sixteen and eight started twelve played

1485
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 1: in fifteen and nine. He caught ninety four balls in

1486
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 1: four one hundred and two and five ninety three and

1487
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 1: O six ninety three and oh seven. He was over

1488
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 1: eleven hundred yards in all four of those years, all

1489
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 1: of those with Mark Boulger. So that leads credence to

1490
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a falling short in terms

1491
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: of that explanation. But it does also tip the hand

1492
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: that if Peter King feels that way about Reggie Wayne,

1493
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 1: one would assume that there are other voters that do.

1494
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 1: I think Vinetzieri's going to get in this year. I

1495
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 1: think Reggie Wayne may have to wait. As for the

1496
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 1: NBA trade, Eddie just mentioned that does have implication tonight,

1497
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 1: meaning there might be like nine guys playing. It may

1498
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 1: be three on three tonight. We'll explain what I'm talking

1499
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 1: about next.

1500
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 2: What so you just.

1501
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 1: Heard tonight it is Pacers Jazz at the Fieldhouse.

1502
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 2: Now this may well be.

1503
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:10,639
Speaker 1: The Noblesville Boom against What is Utah's G League team?

1504
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a great question.

1505
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 1: The Provos Stars something like that.

1506
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 2: Let me look that up. Utah Jazz G League team.

1507
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 1: While you're looking that up, I will let people know tonight,

1508
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City Stars, the Stars. Okay, Uh Siakam, Pascal

1509
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 1: Siakam is out tonight, Ben Matheren is out tonight. TJ

1510
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: McConnell is out tonight, aaron Nei Smith is out tonight,

1511
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 1: Micah Potter is questionable with a hip. Obi Toppin is

1512
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 1: out tonight, and Tyrese Haliburton is out tonight. As for

1513
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:55,520
Speaker 1: the Utah Jazz, they just sent a bunch of players

1514
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 1: to Memphis. If you could please again for me, and

1515
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 1: this could have have even more implication than tonight recap

1516
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 1: for me, Eddie, the trade that just went down. I'm

1517
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 1: gonna write these down.

1518
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 2: Okay, Karen Jackson Jr.

1519
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:15,679
Speaker 1: Jared Jackson. So Memphis is sending Jared Jackson Junior.

1520
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 2: These are the players that Utah is acquiring, Okay, Jared

1521
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:24,919
Speaker 2: Jackson Junior, Jack Lindale and Vince Williams from the Memphis Grizzlies.

1522
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 2: The Utah Jazz are trading to Memphis. Walter Clayton Jr.

1523
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 2: A guy that was just selected in this past draft

1524
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 2: who was a star player for the Florida Gators in

1525
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 2: their national championship run. Kyle Anderson, a veteran wing type player.

1526
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 2: I think this is probably leaning towards the salary captains.

1527
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 2: I know he's got a pretty big number in comparison

1528
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 2: to some of these other players. Taylor Hendricks another guy

1529
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 2: that was it. I think he's in the I believe

1530
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 2: he was in the Jeris Walker draft a few years

1531
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 2: ago and then veteran out of Iowa staate George ni

1532
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 2: Yang a Welmer pacer. Yes, former pacer Iowa State cyclone.

1533
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:05,679
Speaker 2: He has been a journeyman last handful of years. Utah

1534
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 2: is also sending three future first round picks to Memphis.

1535
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 2: Jake Fisher with the details on the picks. Utah will

1536
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 2: be trading the most favorable twenty twenty seven first round

1537
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 2: pick between Cleveland, Minnesota and their own pick, the lakers

1538
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 2: twenty seven first round pick, and Phoenix's twenty thirty one

1539
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 2: first round pick to Memphis. It now gives the Grizzlies

1540
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 2: thirteen first round picks in the next seven years, tying

1541
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:36,800
Speaker 2: Brooklyn and.

1542
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:39,679
Speaker 1: Ok See, Okay, now I thought you said John Cocher

1543
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 1: was also involved in this, Yes contrat, Yes, contart and

1544
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 1: so he's on his way to Utah. To Utah, okay,

1545
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 1: the former sharpshooter out of pretty Fort Wayne. This to

1546
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 1: me could be of some significance in this area. Jaren

1547
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 1: Jackson your power forward, right correct, low block player. That

1548
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 1: makes you wonder if you look at Utah, you know

1549
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 1: they have one player in Walker Kestler who's out for

1550
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 1: the year. He's a center. I mean, he's not a

1551
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 1: power forward. Their backup center who I think I think

1552
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:30,799
Speaker 1: of personally is kind of a power forward type player

1553
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 1: that they've gotten pretty good play from from of late

1554
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 1: is and I'm probably going to say the name wrong.

1555
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 1: Yusef Nurkic, who I like a lot at six' eleven

1556
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 1: and he can play, center BUT i think of him

1557
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 1: as a little more fluid to use that term than.

1558
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 3: That he's a veteran, player, yep but.

1559
01:23:58,360 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 2: He is one that.

1560
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:05,240
Speaker 1: This may if they Bring Jaren jackson over And kessler

1561
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 1: comes back then for next, year it makes me wonder

1562
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 1: if that's not a player that would be. Available As

1563
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 1: indiana still tries to find themselves a guy to put

1564
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 1: in there at the center, spot Or Kessler kesler would

1565
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 1: be a really good.

1566
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 2: Fit Usuf nurkic is one of those that's a free

1567
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:24,080
Speaker 2: agent after the, season so it is not attached With

1568
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 2: utah after this.

1569
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 5: Year.

1570
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 2: Okay it does create a bit of a long gym

1571
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 2: though at the three four For utah because you have

1572
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 2: to remember they just Selected Ace bailey as a lottery

1573
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 2: picked this past year and they Have lori market in,

1574
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:40,880
Speaker 2: still so you would have to anticipate that one of

1575
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 2: most likely that means marketing is probably going to be

1576
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 2: on the move because If Jaron Jackson junior is your,

1577
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 2: FOUR i don't know how you're you know you're gonna

1578
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 2: play that right if You're. Utah so that's the first

1579
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:56,759
Speaker 2: big dominanti. Fault John morant was one that was rumored

1580
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 2: to be on the. Move we'll see if that still

1581
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 2: happens for me as. Well and for those, WONDERING i

1582
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 2: don't Think Lorie marketing can be in the cards for

1583
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 2: The pacers because he's making forty seven million a. Year

1584
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 2: it's a lot that is a, lot and with price

1585
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 2: matching and, TRADES i don't know if, trading you, Know,

1586
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 2: matherick and you have to trade somebody else that's got

1587
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 2: some sort of value to the, contract Like Nie. SMITH

1588
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 2: i don't know if that's worth.

1589
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 1: It Steven, HOLDER nfl Writer Super bowl Upcoming hall Of

1590
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 1: fame vote.

1591
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 3: To be announced in forty eight. Hours Steven Holder, next What.

1592
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 1: Seattle the home Of Jimmy Hendrick's Seahawks Super bowl taking

1593
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 1: on The New England.

1594
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,880
Speaker 2: Patriots by the, Way, jake do you think that because

1595
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:44,760
Speaker 2: The pacers' injury port came out, first do you Think

1596
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 2: utah saw them like hold my? Beer, yes hold my.

1597
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 2: Beer you want to try to tank, Off, well we

1598
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:51,640
Speaker 2: got your.

1599
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 1: BEAT i, mean, honestly you, know the probably the charter

1600
01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 1: flight From. UTAH i realize that these guys would have

1601
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:02,760
Speaker 1: been on the trip. Already but you, know if you've

1602
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 1: been on a plane where they're, like we need you

1603
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 1: to move over to this side because we're.

1604
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:06,720
Speaker 2: Trying to balance the.

1605
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 1: Weight, yeah it feels like they're going to have to

1606
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: do that on the if not the, plane on the

1607
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:18,799
Speaker 1: bench because both teams tonight going deep into the reserve

1608
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 1: tank as it is going to be A G league

1609
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 1: matchup tonight at The. Fieldhouse But i'll be there, nonetheless

1610
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 1: and we will talk about a plenty. Tomorrow joining us

1611
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 1: now to talk about The Super, bowl The hall Of fame,

1612
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:35,799
Speaker 1: vote and The colts Is stephenholder OF espn dot. Com

1613
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 1: steve AND i will begin with. This, theoretically this is

1614
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:42,599
Speaker 1: the time of year where things simmer down a little

1615
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:45,720
Speaker 1: bit in terms of, discussion but THE, nfl there is

1616
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 1: really no off week For colts. News is that the

1617
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:52,840
Speaker 1: case are there always OR i should, say are there

1618
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:54,920
Speaker 1: always things that are kind of?

1619
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 3: Percolating and if, so what would it?

1620
01:26:56,560 --> 01:27:01,320
Speaker 10: Be it is pretty require for, them by the, way

1621
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 10: before we get, going you, know the thing that this

1622
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 10: THIS nba season is teaching me is that thinking is.

1623
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 5: Hard it really, is you.

1624
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 10: Know AND i thought The pacers would be better at,

1625
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 10: this but.

1626
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 1: Whatever, stephen here's the, thing AND i thought about this

1627
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 1: last night AS i was watching the. Game you, KNOW

1628
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 1: i think that The pacers have done a good job

1629
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 1: of tinkering with lineup depth at times, too you, know

1630
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 1: to quote unquote. Tank but they have a good. Roster

1631
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 1: and that's the. Thing when they're, healthy it's hard to

1632
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:38,440
Speaker 1: put five scrubs out, there you know WHAT i mean exactly.

1633
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:42,160
Speaker 10: Exactly it's, like, hey, guys you should suck. MORE i,

1634
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 10: mean it can't actually pretty good they.

1635
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:46,880
Speaker 1: Are it gives you some optimism for just how good

1636
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,559
Speaker 1: they could and will be once, again.

1637
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 10: RIGHT i, AGREE i, Agree but, ANYWAY i just that

1638
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:55,720
Speaker 10: was just my. Observation it's like man getting the number one.

1639
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 10: Pick it's a lot harder THAN i than you, realize you.

1640
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 10: Know but, Anyway, colts so it's actually pretty. QUIET i

1641
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 10: will say this is not always the. Case even when

1642
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 10: no one at the top gets, fired that's not always the.

1643
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 10: Case you oftentimes will have movement within the. Staff you

1644
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 10: will have other machinations. Happening we don't have a lot of.

1645
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 10: That you, know there's always there's always something going on

1646
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 10: in THE. NFL i, mean you, know you look AT

1647
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 10: i see Today Brandon bean is making news again because

1648
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 10: he's talking and he can't help. Himself for. Example we

1649
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 10: haven't gotten anything like that lately with The, colts and

1650
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:40,439
Speaker 10: it is in some way that's a good, thing, RIGHT i,

1651
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 10: mean you don't want to make news just for the

1652
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 10: sake of making. News so it's going to be quiet for.

1653
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 10: THEM i haven't heard a lot about staff. Moves they

1654
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:50,880
Speaker 10: will need to make a move at defensive line. Coach

1655
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 10: there could be another mover, too not sure, yet BUT

1656
01:28:55,880 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 10: i think those are you, know definitely like secondary or

1657
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 10: a second tear third tear moves in terms of importance

1658
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 10: in the grand.

1659
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:06,040
Speaker 2: Scheme you.

1660
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 1: Know one of the THINGS i thought, About, steven And

1661
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 1: i'm curious your thought on this the as we discussed

1662
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 1: The hall Of, fame AND i have a lot of

1663
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:20,080
Speaker 1: questions about, this right but one of the QUESTIONS i had,

1664
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 1: was As Robert kraft's eligibility has been, discussed that means

1665
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 1: That Robert kraft is a nominee for The hall Of.

1666
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 1: Fame AND i don't know. This i'm going to plead

1667
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 1: ignorant to. This you can illuminate. Me is Is jim Or?

1668
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:40,200
Speaker 1: Say Has jim Or say in the past been? Nominated

1669
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:42,680
Speaker 1: and what is the criteria for an owner to be?

1670
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:47,720
Speaker 10: Nominated, so off the top of my, HEAD i do

1671
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 10: not know if he's been. Nominated my guess is someone

1672
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 10: has probably broached his name at some. Point BUT i

1673
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:58,519
Speaker 10: say that Admitting i'm not one hundred percent. Sure, now

1674
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 10: WHAT i can tell you is that he's not emerged

1675
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:05,519
Speaker 10: as as a semi semi finalist or finalist THAT i

1676
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:08,720
Speaker 10: can recall certainly not in my time around. Here SO

1677
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 10: i don't think there's ever really been any real momentum

1678
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 10: For jim. Ursay could that change in the years to?

1679
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 5: COME i think.

1680
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 10: So but it's also a really complicated deal with, him,

1681
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 10: RIGHT i, MEAN i think that people outside Of indianapolis

1682
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 10: have a very mixed view Of Jim. MERSEY i think

1683
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 10: people In indianapolis Or colts fans probably or definitely embrace

1684
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 10: him a lot more and understand the complexity of the, man,

1685
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 10: RIGHT i, MEAN i think that's. Fair but BUT i

1686
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 10: do think it's it would be a very it would

1687
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 10: Very it would be a very interesting. CONVERSATION i would

1688
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 10: be intrigued to hear the debate About Jim. MERSEY i

1689
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:52,719
Speaker 10: don't know that he ever gets. IN i would certainly

1690
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:55,680
Speaker 10: not bet on, it but is there a conversation to be?

1691
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 5: Had?

1692
01:30:56,200 --> 01:31:00,640
Speaker 10: PROBABLY i, mean you think about what this franch was,

1693
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:05,320
Speaker 10: before you, know before he became full time, owner and

1694
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:08,599
Speaker 10: what it, became largely thanks to some key.

1695
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:11,680
Speaker 2: Players, well AND i would say the same though In

1696
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 2: Robert kraft's. Case, yeah you, know it's kind of the same.

1697
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:18,880
Speaker 1: Thing, Now CRAFT i think gets a lot of credit

1698
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:22,360
Speaker 1: because he will get. In, yeah and, Well Robert craft

1699
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 1: was key in helping negotiate and end a player lockout

1700
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 1: or whatever it.

1701
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 2: Was, right he And Jeff, saturday you know The kumbaya.

1702
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:37,400
Speaker 1: Moment but In ersay's, case, yes he had the advantage

1703
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 1: of Having Peyton manning and Then Andrew.

1704
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 3: Locke BUT i do think That ersay.

1705
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 1: Is has two things going for him And Steven you

1706
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:49,600
Speaker 1: tell me if this is me speaking from inside the

1707
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 1: snow globe before sixty, five? Okay HE i think was

1708
01:31:55,160 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 1: seen as a fan friendly owner that, was aside from

1709
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 1: his personal, demons that allowed his franchise to be an

1710
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:10,880
Speaker 1: integral and important part philanthropically of his. Community and in

1711
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 1: addition to, that he was the owner in his later

1712
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 1: years that was not afraid to be the owner's spokesperson

1713
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:22,680
Speaker 1: in areas that others might not have wanted to go.

1714
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:23,160
Speaker 2: Towards.

1715
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 1: Allah Daniel snyder, notably he should probably have his own

1716
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 1: wing and also a statue the size of the dome

1717
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:35,880
Speaker 1: out front of The Pro Football hall Of fame just

1718
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:38,679
Speaker 1: for allowing us to never have to listen again To Daniel.

1719
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:39,080
Speaker 2: Snyder.

1720
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:43,439
Speaker 10: Right let me tell, YOU i don't Think america truly

1721
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:48,639
Speaker 10: understands the depths Of Jim earth's hatred For Dan. SNYDER

1722
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:53,280
Speaker 10: i had many conversations with him about it because what

1723
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:56,559
Speaker 10: ended up happening towards the end Of snyder's. Tenure not

1724
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:58,280
Speaker 10: to get off the, subject but this is just funny

1725
01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:02,720
Speaker 10: to me and worth. Sharing so BECAUSE i covered The

1726
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 10: colts and and there was always there would always be

1727
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 10: these news developments about the commanders and the ownership situation,

1728
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:14,600
Speaker 10: there and we AT espn would often need someone with

1729
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 10: authority to speak on, it and so they would invariably

1730
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:20,760
Speaker 10: call me and they'd be, like do you Think Jim

1731
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:23,599
Speaker 10: mersey would? Comment And i'd be, like, oh he will definitely,

1732
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:26,679
Speaker 10: Comment and So i'd call him all the time and

1733
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:29,920
Speaker 10: he'd called back and he would just like Murder Dan

1734
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 10: snyder and it was like it was. Amazing AND i

1735
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 10: would send the quotes in and they'd be like he

1736
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:38,280
Speaker 10: said this on the, record and like, yeah and it

1737
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 10: was just it WAS.

1738
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:43,559
Speaker 2: I just think that he.

1739
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:47,640
Speaker 10: Felt like this guy disrespected The. Shield and you, KNOW

1740
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:49,719
Speaker 10: i don't think there was anything, specific not THAT i.

1741
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 5: Know, of at.

1742
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:54,240
Speaker 10: LEAST i just feel Like Jim mersey was raised to

1743
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:58,840
Speaker 10: believe like THE nfl is sacred and, granted like you,

1744
01:33:58,880 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 10: know he.

1745
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 2: Had we talked about his.

1746
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 10: Demons this Is we're not going to pretend that he

1747
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:07,040
Speaker 10: didn't have. Those they definitely. Existed BUT i do not

1748
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 10: think he saw himself as tarnishing THE nfl in the

1749
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:16,479
Speaker 10: way That Dan snyder. Did his were sort of personal.

1750
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:19,760
Speaker 10: Demons Dan snyder was your conduct is just.

1751
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:22,400
Speaker 2: It IT i.

1752
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 10: Think shed a negative light on and, everybody you know

1753
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:28,200
Speaker 10: What i'm, saying everybody associated with the, league and it

1754
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 10: reinforced a lot of, stereotypes the old boys club and

1755
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 10: all that, stuff AND i think he hated, that AND

1756
01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:38,240
Speaker 10: i just think ers was really he treated that as very,

1757
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:41,639
Speaker 10: sacred you, know THE. Nfl he was an old SCHOOL nfl,

1758
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:45,120
Speaker 10: owner you, know back you, know thinking back to like

1759
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 10: The mara family and you, know The Kansas city ownership

1760
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:50,760
Speaker 10: and things like. That you, know he seems himself as

1761
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 10: part of that sort of.

1762
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:54,200
Speaker 2: Era.

1763
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:57,080
Speaker 10: Right so, ANYWAY i don't know if that makes a

1764
01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:58,639
Speaker 10: lot of, sense BUT i think that was a big

1765
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:02,320
Speaker 10: part of. It but, anyhow going back to the, original

1766
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:06,160
Speaker 10: the origin of this, CONVERSATION i would, say THOUGH i

1767
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:09,479
Speaker 10: do think he had a huge impact on shaping THE

1768
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:12,200
Speaker 10: nfl as we see it. TODAY i just think people

1769
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:15,439
Speaker 10: don't know it as much because he wasn't maybe as

1770
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 10: talkative about it as say Of Jerry, jones but he was.

1771
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 10: Influential Jim mercy was very influential in those rooms and

1772
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 10: on those committees and the ones that mattered the. Most

1773
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:28,640
Speaker 10: AND i do think people in the know understand, That.

1774
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:35,800
Speaker 1: Stephen one week from right now there will be how

1775
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:40,400
Speaker 1: many soon to be inductees into The Pro Football hall

1776
01:35:40,439 --> 01:35:46,000
Speaker 1: Of fame with The Indianapolis colts on their resume that

1777
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 1: they played?

1778
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 5: For all, right try me one more.

1779
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 10: TIME i THINK i lost you.

1780
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:56,000
Speaker 1: THERE a week from, TODAY i, mean Between, VENITARIAN Reggi,

1781
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 1: wayne how many of those guys are going to get

1782
01:35:57,479 --> 01:35:58,479
Speaker 1: their name called for The hall Of?

1783
01:35:58,520 --> 01:35:59,679
Speaker 2: Fame SO.

1784
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 10: I think IT'S i think it's a maximum of one.

1785
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:06,519
Speaker 5: And.

1786
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:09,639
Speaker 10: VINITARRY i have to look at the list one more

1787
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 10: time and try to handicap, this BUT i Think vinitary

1788
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:17,639
Speaker 10: is less of a sure. THING i don't Think reggie's

1789
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:20,120
Speaker 10: going to get. IN i just, don't AND i don't

1790
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:24,160
Speaker 10: say that with any. JOY i hate, it AND i

1791
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:27,479
Speaker 10: Count reggie as as a, friend BUT i don't think

1792
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:30,799
Speaker 10: he's going to get. In it's just been the history

1793
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:34,240
Speaker 10: there tells us that he. WON'T i mean HE i

1794
01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:39,680
Speaker 10: don't know that he has gotten enough of enough a

1795
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:42,439
Speaker 10: vote tally to suggest that it's going to. Change i'm

1796
01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 10: talking in the, past, right and past. BALLOTS i don't

1797
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 10: think his the final ballot. THING i don't think it's

1798
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:51,599
Speaker 10: been strong enough to really suggest that he's going to get.

1799
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 10: There you, know you've got to be really, close and

1800
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:56,920
Speaker 10: you've got to be you, know you got to be getting.

1801
01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:59,559
Speaker 10: CLOSER i think over, time if you're a finalist that's been,

1802
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:02,960
Speaker 10: eligible you, know for many, years that hasn't. Happened he's,

1803
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:06,400
Speaker 10: actually AS i understand, it even maybe lost a little

1804
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:09,920
Speaker 10: support in that. Room and that's, disappointing but that's just

1805
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:12,360
Speaker 10: what it. IS i think the longer you're a finalist

1806
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 10: and the more times they have the same, conversation the

1807
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:17,920
Speaker 10: less people give a, damn you, know as. VOTERS i

1808
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:21,080
Speaker 10: think that's just the. Truth so, Anyway, MINITARY i think

1809
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:21,599
Speaker 10: we'll get.

1810
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:21,800
Speaker 2: In at some.

1811
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 10: Point will happen this? YEAR i don't. Know it's a tough,

1812
01:37:24,280 --> 01:37:27,080
Speaker 10: class but, well he's got a. SHOT i think he

1813
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 10: will be A hall Of famer very, soon if not this.

1814
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 3: Year, okay so let me give you the list, Here.

1815
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:36,479
Speaker 1: Okay WHEN i say, IT i want you to tell

1816
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:38,439
Speaker 1: me whether or not you believe this year they are

1817
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:40,400
Speaker 1: like they have to go in this, year you know

1818
01:37:40,439 --> 01:37:40,599
Speaker 1: WHAT i?

1819
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:41,240
Speaker 3: Mean, like, yeah they're.

1820
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 2: In you? Ready, Yeah Willie, anderson go.

1821
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:51,320
Speaker 10: Ahead i'm not saying yes on.

1822
01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:53,000
Speaker 2: That, Okay Drew, brees.

1823
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:54,800
Speaker 5: He's.

1824
01:37:54,840 --> 01:38:05,240
Speaker 1: In, Okay Jarry, EVANS.

1825
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:02,720
Speaker 10: I don't know on that.

1826
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:03,200
Speaker 5: One that's.

1827
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:07,599
Speaker 2: UH i, SAY i, say maybe not this, Year. Okay

1828
01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:12,400
Speaker 2: Larry fitzgerald And Frank gore.

1829
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:14,680
Speaker 5: Not.

1830
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 2: Yet.

1831
01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:18,120
Speaker 1: Boy that's another one THAT i didn't take up with The.

1832
01:38:18,120 --> 01:38:22,920
Speaker 1: Colts Tie Tory, holt that is, true that's, Right, Uh Tory.

1833
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 8: Holt.

1834
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:29,680
Speaker 10: Uh he've been. Close BUT i think the problem there

1835
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 10: is gonna be the wide receiver vote gets split a little,

1836
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:34,360
Speaker 10: bit you, know And Larry fitzgerald probably takes a lot of.

1837
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:36,600
Speaker 2: It SO i say, No, Okay eddie helped me.

1838
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 1: Out another last name That i've always had a hurdle

1839
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:40,799
Speaker 1: With luke Linebacker Carolina.

1840
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:44,439
Speaker 2: KEILEY i always SAY I i always want to Say.

1841
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 1: COOKLEY i know It's, keikley but, yes a fabulous player

1842
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:51,439
Speaker 1: and then partailer early. On but your, Thoughts, steven yes or?

1843
01:38:51,439 --> 01:38:53,400
Speaker 1: NO i Think? Keickley?

1844
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:58,679
Speaker 10: Uh, ooh that's a tough. ONE i think he's.

1845
01:38:58,520 --> 01:39:02,320
Speaker 2: A hall Of famer as you get in this. Year tough.

1846
01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:04,439
Speaker 2: One that's a. No, okay.

1847
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:08,280
Speaker 1: Yeah Eli manning reportedly is not, in so we'll take

1848
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:08,760
Speaker 1: him off the.

1849
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:14,240
Speaker 2: List Terrell, SUGGS i don't think. So i'm not saying

1850
01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:15,519
Speaker 2: he's not A hall Of. FAMER i just don't think

1851
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:18,759
Speaker 2: he gets. It Kevin, williams.

1852
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:22,840
Speaker 10: Mhm, u.

1853
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:34,280
Speaker 2: That's a. No Jason, Witten, yeah, Okay Darren, WOODSON i

1854
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:36,880
Speaker 2: don't know if that's A hall Of. Famer And marshall

1855
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:38,240
Speaker 2: ye and The.

1856
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:44,400
Speaker 10: Ravens, YEAH i say maybe yeah on that, one but

1857
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:48,439
Speaker 10: it's just because it feels like. Offensive, LINEMAN i don't know.

1858
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:51,160
Speaker 10: What once once they decide to make him a, finalance

1859
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:51,920
Speaker 10: they tend to get.

1860
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:54,759
Speaker 1: In, well, okay so so you that leaves one spot

1861
01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:56,600
Speaker 1: is What i'm getting, at, Right that leaves.

1862
01:39:56,320 --> 01:40:00,519
Speaker 10: One AND i THINK i think it Would. GONNA i

1863
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:03,000
Speaker 10: would Have vinnie on, THERE i think as number.

1864
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:05,640
Speaker 2: Five so that puts under that scenario.

1865
01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:08,920
Speaker 1: Right over even those that you were questionable, about you

1866
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:11,400
Speaker 1: know WHAT i. MEAN i, MEAN i Think Willy. ANDERSON

1867
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:13,200
Speaker 1: i Think Willy anderson's going to be hard to keep.

1868
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:17,479
Speaker 10: Out but, yeah that was the. ONE i struggled with that.

1869
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:20,160
Speaker 10: ONE i think you're. RIGHT i think he, was but

1870
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:22,639
Speaker 10: he's been a candidate for a. While BUT i think

1871
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:24,559
Speaker 10: he has had some momentum, lately so that helps.

1872
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:27,720
Speaker 1: Him the other, Thing, steven that is curious to, me

1873
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:30,240
Speaker 1: AND i wanted your thought on why this is the.

1874
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:32,280
Speaker 3: Case maybe it's just a culture we live.

1875
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:34,040
Speaker 2: In it used to.

1876
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:38,920
Speaker 1: Be that this was all, hidden locked under, key like,

1877
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:43,240
Speaker 1: literally you had a better chance of getting someone in

1878
01:40:43,320 --> 01:40:45,800
Speaker 1: the mafia To whisper than you did getting A hall

1879
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:48,160
Speaker 1: Of fame. Voter how are we starting to find out

1880
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:49,400
Speaker 1: that some of these guys did not get.

1881
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:53,640
Speaker 10: In it's a great, question and it is definitely a,

1882
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:59,080
Speaker 10: departure there's no question about. IT i think there may

1883
01:40:59,160 --> 01:41:03,960
Speaker 10: be some frustrating from voters or people involved in the.

1884
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:07,559
Speaker 10: PROCESS i think that's probably the biggest. REASON i don't know,

1885
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:11,439
Speaker 10: who in, particular they're my. COLLEAGUES i don't know who

1886
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:15,479
Speaker 10: would be among that. Number but, certainly that to me

1887
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:19,720
Speaker 10: is what you're seeing, here because that was, definitely like you,

1888
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:21,880
Speaker 10: said it was a lock box and people didn't talk about.

1889
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:24,720
Speaker 10: IT i would, say, though, interestingly if you, go if

1890
01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:28,360
Speaker 10: you look at baseball and The Baseball Writers association Of,

1891
01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:32,479
Speaker 10: america very powerful organization In Major League baseball if you're

1892
01:41:32,479 --> 01:41:35,760
Speaker 10: not familiar with, this but they. Vote everybody who's a

1893
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:37,600
Speaker 10: member of that gets a, vote so they have a

1894
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:40,720
Speaker 10: lot more voters than The Pro Football hall Of, fame

1895
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:41,639
Speaker 10: WHICH i think is a good.

1896
01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:42,639
Speaker 2: Thing Number.

1897
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:46,400
Speaker 10: One number, two they AND i would say the last

1898
01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:49,720
Speaker 10: ten or fifteen years really at the tail end of

1899
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:54,519
Speaker 10: the steroid, era they started being more open about who

1900
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:57,480
Speaker 10: they were voting, for and a lot of writers were

1901
01:41:57,560 --> 01:42:01,240
Speaker 10: posting on social, media, actual well, ballots this is still,

1902
01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:04,360
Speaker 10: happening AND i find that to be actually. Refreshing so

1903
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:07,040
Speaker 10: maybe that's a good. Thing maybe we could get to

1904
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:09,120
Speaker 10: that one day in The Pro Football hall Of. Fame

1905
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:10,599
Speaker 10: AND i don't know if it'd be a bad. Thing

1906
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:13,920
Speaker 10: if you're gonna if you're going to have these votes

1907
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:18,240
Speaker 10: and dictate someone's legacy for the rest of their life

1908
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:21,280
Speaker 10: and beyond their, lifetime maybe it's not the worst thing

1909
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:24,440
Speaker 10: in the. World if you have to then be transparent

1910
01:42:24,439 --> 01:42:27,599
Speaker 10: about how you voted as, WELL i actually be fine with.

1911
01:42:27,640 --> 01:42:30,080
Speaker 3: That, steven have you been To seattle.

1912
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:31,880
Speaker 10: Many?

1913
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:32,200
Speaker 2: Times?

1914
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:36,559
Speaker 1: Yes and you've been to, well you've been To foxborough And. Boston, RIGHT.

1915
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:39,040
Speaker 5: I have you've been To.

1916
01:42:39,080 --> 01:42:43,479
Speaker 1: PROVIDENCE i, have as a matter of, Fact providence very,

1917
01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:44,960
Speaker 1: underrated by the, way very.

1918
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:49,280
Speaker 10: Underrated my brother went to school In, providence a fun,

1919
01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:50,960
Speaker 10: fact So i've been there several.

1920
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:51,840
Speaker 5: Times it was very.

1921
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:52,360
Speaker 2: Random go.

1922
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:54,559
Speaker 1: Ahead did he go to The Rhode Island school Of?

1923
01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:56,320
Speaker 1: Design did he go To? Providence did he go To?

1924
01:42:56,320 --> 01:42:59,960
Speaker 10: Brown he went To how the hell do you know

1925
01:43:00,120 --> 01:43:01,280
Speaker 10: About Rhode Island school Of?

1926
01:43:01,280 --> 01:43:04,880
Speaker 2: Design? Yes he? Did is that where he? Went he's actually.

1927
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:06,160
Speaker 5: What?

1928
01:43:06,280 --> 01:43:10,000
Speaker 2: That he went To Rhode Island school Of. Design he went?

1929
01:43:10,040 --> 01:43:10,760
Speaker 2: There Is that's?

1930
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:12,960
Speaker 10: Right him and his wife they went To Rhode Island School.

1931
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:17,760
Speaker 10: Design they met. There so he is a, LIKE i,

1932
01:43:17,800 --> 01:43:21,960
Speaker 10: think graphic. Designer that's really underselling. It but He, yeah

1933
01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:25,519
Speaker 10: he's much more accomplished than. Me he works for, well

1934
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:29,479
Speaker 10: he worked in advertising In manhattan for years and he

1935
01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:34,360
Speaker 10: now is he now runs like the marketing and sort

1936
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:38,760
Speaker 10: of advertising department at a major worldwide law firm In.

1937
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:40,280
Speaker 2: Manhattan so he's doing.

1938
01:43:40,280 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 1: Okay i'm fairly certain that AND i could be wrong in,

1939
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:49,080
Speaker 1: this but the band The Talking, Heads i'm fairly certain

1940
01:43:49,160 --> 01:43:52,439
Speaker 1: That David byrne met his bandmates while they were either

1941
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:56,800
Speaker 1: students at or playing around The Rhode Island school Of,

1942
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:59,840
Speaker 1: design and that that is the school that helped launch

1943
01:43:59,880 --> 01:44:02,439
Speaker 1: The Talking. HEADS i could be wrong in that it

1944
01:44:02,479 --> 01:44:04,800
Speaker 1: would be ironical because people says you are.

1945
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:06,800
Speaker 2: Correct what's At google says you are.

1946
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:09,240
Speaker 10: Correct i'm looking at it right. Now, Yeah steven in

1947
01:44:09,320 --> 01:44:10,040
Speaker 10: the mid nineteen.

1948
01:44:10,120 --> 01:44:13,599
Speaker 1: Seventies, Yeah i'm going to ask you the same QUESTION

1949
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 1: i asked.

1950
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:17,679
Speaker 10: Already information From Jake query's but that was pretty.

1951
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:20,599
Speaker 1: Good, listen do you EVER i Asked eddie this the other,

1952
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:22,640
Speaker 1: day do you ever stop and thank yourself that you

1953
01:44:22,720 --> 01:44:26,679
Speaker 1: have access to this level of useless stuff inside this wrinkled?

1954
01:44:26,720 --> 01:44:27,160
Speaker 2: Sponge?

1955
01:44:28,720 --> 01:44:30,599
Speaker 10: Yeah you know WHAT i will, say it is REALLY

1956
01:44:30,640 --> 01:44:32,160
Speaker 10: i am really. Fortunate you, know WHEN i was a,

1957
01:44:32,240 --> 01:44:35,839
Speaker 10: kid my, dad you, know because this was pre, internet

1958
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:38,400
Speaker 10: my dad had like he had like half of The

1959
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:42,559
Speaker 10: encyclopedia sets on this bookshelf in our like spare. ROOM

1960
01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:45,479
Speaker 10: i guess he ran out of money or, something but

1961
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:47,760
Speaker 10: he never finished. It but like it was like a

1962
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:50,599
Speaker 10: Through it was the saddest damn thing you ever. Seen

1963
01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:53,000
Speaker 10: it was like a through L AND i WOULD i

1964
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:54,960
Speaker 10: would read that. STUFF i would read. IT i was

1965
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:57,160
Speaker 10: fascinated as a, NERD i, guess BUT i would look

1966
01:44:57,160 --> 01:44:59,400
Speaker 10: at the. Encyclopedia you know how you did, This i'm

1967
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:01,160
Speaker 10: sure is how all the hell else would you know?

1968
01:45:01,200 --> 01:45:01,360
Speaker 5: It of?

1969
01:45:01,400 --> 01:45:05,720
Speaker 1: Course and so you knew everything About albedia And, algeria

1970
01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:08,519
Speaker 1: But morocco And zaire you were, screwed, right.

1971
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:10,559
Speaker 2: No, shot no shot.

1972
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:13,720
Speaker 10: Exactly so, yeah IF i ever go On, jeopardy there's

1973
01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:16,240
Speaker 10: got to be like rules about what they can, ask

1974
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:17,200
Speaker 10: because Otherwise i'm.

1975
01:45:17,240 --> 01:45:19,920
Speaker 2: Screwed that's, Right so there you. Go, okay fair, enough all?

1976
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:21,519
Speaker 2: Right last? WEEK i, mean BUT i don't need that.

1977
01:45:21,560 --> 01:45:24,240
Speaker 10: ANYMORE i don't need the encyclopedia because, NO i know.

1978
01:45:24,360 --> 01:45:26,639
Speaker 2: You that's exactly. Right.

1979
01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:29,920
Speaker 1: Okay so the REASON i ask it about those respective

1980
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:32,640
Speaker 1: cities is simply to ask, this you like which of

1981
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:35,760
Speaker 1: those two places more for This Super bowl?

1982
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:38,440
Speaker 3: Matchup which one is the one that will be? Celebrating?

1983
01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:43,280
Speaker 10: WELL i Like seattle better as a, city AND i

1984
01:45:43,320 --> 01:45:46,519
Speaker 10: Think seattle is winning, Anyway so this is. PERFECT i

1985
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:48,720
Speaker 10: think that's the most complete team in THE nfl this.

1986
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:51,240
Speaker 10: YEAR i thought they proved that down the stretch in the.

1987
01:45:51,240 --> 01:45:58,719
Speaker 10: PLAYOFFS i, mean where's the weakness, offense, defense special, teams, kicking, game, return,

1988
01:45:58,760 --> 01:45:59,320
Speaker 10: game all of.

1989
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:00,760
Speaker 2: IT i, mean they don't have a.

1990
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:05,120
Speaker 10: Weakness now they may not, have you, Know Patrick mahomes like,

1991
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:08,360
Speaker 10: quarterback BUT i, mean do we see a lot of

1992
01:46:08,439 --> 01:46:11,240
Speaker 10: room to Criticize Sam donald this? Season BECAUSE i. Don't

1993
01:46:11,439 --> 01:46:15,240
Speaker 10: so you, know we can talk about, reputation but the

1994
01:46:15,320 --> 01:46:20,000
Speaker 10: performance is there and they are an absolute. JUGGERNAUT i.

1995
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:22,320
Speaker 10: Believe And i'm not saying that this is going to

1996
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:24,880
Speaker 10: be a, blowout BUT i think they're going to win

1997
01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:27,360
Speaker 10: this game and be in control of this. GAME i

1998
01:46:27,400 --> 01:46:30,400
Speaker 10: feel that very. Strongly you, Know, stephen.

1999
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:34,400
Speaker 1: The one thing THAT i go back, to AND i

2000
01:46:34,439 --> 01:46:37,559
Speaker 1: Want seattle to win this, game BUT i go back

2001
01:46:37,560 --> 01:46:39,479
Speaker 1: to when you AND i were talking about The Indiana

2002
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:42,080
Speaker 1: miami matchup in college football and you said to, Me

2003
01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:45,479
Speaker 1: miami is very very. GOOD i Like Carson, beck but

2004
01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:49,240
Speaker 1: he does have tendency to be prone to key late.

2005
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:51,920
Speaker 1: Turnovers you said that to. ME i feel the same

2006
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:54,760
Speaker 1: About Sam. DARNALD i just feel Like Sam darnald might

2007
01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:58,479
Speaker 1: have a two pick game left in. HIM i will say,

2008
01:46:58,479 --> 01:47:01,639
Speaker 1: this here is my bold proclamation for The Super.

2009
01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:03,960
Speaker 2: Bowl, eddie do you happen to have the breaking news?

2010
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:12,920
Speaker 1: Sounder not breaking, news but rather proclamation From Jake querry

2011
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:16,160
Speaker 1: on this The tuesday Before Super bowl. Sixty this Year's

2012
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:20,040
Speaker 1: Super Bowl Most Valuable player will be a defensive, player.

2013
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:22,639
Speaker 2: You, Thought, STEVEN i love.

2014
01:47:22,640 --> 01:47:26,679
Speaker 10: IT i you know. WHAT i think that is entirely,

2015
01:47:26,720 --> 01:47:30,920
Speaker 10: possible and in, fact hasn't that.

2016
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:31,679
Speaker 2: Happened With seattle?

2017
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:34,800
Speaker 10: Before who was THEIR? Mvp i'm trying to. REMEMBER i

2018
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:36,800
Speaker 10: think it was a defensive player AND i don't remember

2019
01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:40,560
Speaker 10: who it was, now which is embarrassing but not. Unprecedented

2020
01:47:40,640 --> 01:47:43,000
Speaker 10: AND i Think seattle in particular has done it.

2021
01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:46,760
Speaker 1: BEFORE i Know Von miller one. One the thing About, Jake,

2022
01:47:46,840 --> 01:47:50,280
Speaker 1: Scott Chuck, haley those are amongst some of. Them let

2023
01:47:50,280 --> 01:47:50,800
Speaker 1: me look it up.

2024
01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:54,840
Speaker 10: Here the interesting thing about about defensive MVPs is that

2025
01:47:55,040 --> 01:47:59,920
Speaker 10: it's oftentimes not like the biggest star this. IS i

2026
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:02,760
Speaker 10: could be wrong about, that but my recollection of like

2027
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:04,840
Speaker 10: the defensive MVPs.

2028
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:08,000
Speaker 2: Larry, Brown Larry brown did it, right great.

2029
01:48:08,040 --> 01:48:09,400
Speaker 10: EXAMPLE i think that's a great.

2030
01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:14,240
Speaker 1: Example Malcolm smith in twenty. Thirteen Malcolm smith twenty. Thirteen

2031
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:16,040
Speaker 1: there you, Go there you.

2032
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:19,439
Speaker 10: Go Dexter, jackson WHO i covered In Tampa, bay, RIGHT i,

2033
01:48:19,479 --> 01:48:22,040
Speaker 10: mean he was like the ninth best player on that

2034
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:25,760
Speaker 10: defense you WANT mvp of The Super, bowl you. Know

2035
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:29,400
Speaker 10: SO i just think that's an interesting. Phenomenon more useless,

2036
01:48:29,400 --> 01:48:30,960
Speaker 10: information but it's interesting to me.

2037
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:34,840
Speaker 2: This by the, way there's will have been four defensive

2038
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:39,919
Speaker 2: MVPs since two. Thousand, REALLY i find that offensive.

2039
01:48:40,120 --> 01:48:44,360
Speaker 1: Harder, yeah this from somebody within THE tv. Biz steven

2040
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:48,880
Speaker 1: will rap with. This the reason why we know who

2041
01:48:48,920 --> 01:48:52,599
Speaker 1: did and didn't make The hall Of fame is because

2042
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:55,200
Speaker 1: they do THE Nfl knock. Video that's where That shrek

2043
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:56,880
Speaker 1: goes door to door and lets people know that they're.

2044
01:48:56,880 --> 01:49:00,000
Speaker 1: In those happened two weeks. Ago so there are hundreds

2045
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:02,519
Speaker 1: OF tv people around the country that know the New

2046
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:02,840
Speaker 1: hall Of.

2047
01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:05,240
Speaker 3: Famers it's not just the voters.

2048
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:06,120
Speaker 2: That are spreading the worst weeks.

2049
01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:07,560
Speaker 5: Ago it's my.

2050
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:13,479
Speaker 10: Understanding, really, NOW i thought they did. THAT i thought

2051
01:49:13,479 --> 01:49:16,240
Speaker 10: that was in real. Time Huh, okay, interesting there we.

2052
01:49:16,280 --> 01:49:19,599
Speaker 1: Go all, Right, steven appreciate the time as. Always i'll

2053
01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:23,479
Speaker 1: let you go back to listening to the talking. Heads all,

2054
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:26,240
Speaker 1: right that sounds. Good that's the, band not your. Colleagues appreciate,

2055
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:29,080
Speaker 1: It Steven HOLDER espn dot. Com, eddie are you not?

2056
01:49:29,120 --> 01:49:33,479
Speaker 1: Impressed DID i tell you about My David byrne Predicament.

2057
01:49:34,600 --> 01:49:36,200
Speaker 2: David byrne Predicament.

2058
01:49:36,120 --> 01:49:38,759
Speaker 1: David, byrne the lead singer of The Talking. Heads, okay

2059
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:41,400
Speaker 1: And David byrne is going to be in concert at

2060
01:49:41,479 --> 01:49:44,599
Speaker 1: The Egyptian room at The. Mirroat i've always wanted to see,

2061
01:49:44,640 --> 01:49:46,200
Speaker 1: him BUT i think he does more of like a

2062
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:48,840
Speaker 1: show as opposed to a. Concert it's like you sit

2063
01:49:48,920 --> 01:49:50,479
Speaker 1: down in an auditorium and it comes out and he

2064
01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:53,840
Speaker 1: does wacky props and whatever. Else BUT i bought tickets for,

2065
01:49:53,880 --> 01:49:57,360
Speaker 1: it and SOMEHOW i have no idea HOW i was

2066
01:49:57,400 --> 01:49:59,840
Speaker 1: looking at two different places whatever else for the, ticket

2067
01:50:00,160 --> 01:50:01,000
Speaker 1: HOW i bought.

2068
01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:03,519
Speaker 3: Four tickets instead of. Two, okay SO i have a

2069
01:50:03,520 --> 01:50:03,840
Speaker 3: pair of.

2070
01:50:03,880 --> 01:50:07,000
Speaker 1: Tickets SO i, thought, Well i'll try to sell two

2071
01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:07,280
Speaker 1: of the.

2072
01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:09,160
Speaker 2: Four now they're just putting in a whole.

2073
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:13,559
Speaker 1: Astronomically inflated, price and someone bought, them so oh that's.

2074
01:50:13,560 --> 01:50:17,320
Speaker 1: Great NOW i said, that the predicament, becomes DO i

2075
01:50:17,360 --> 01:50:19,760
Speaker 1: try to sell those again or DO i just go

2076
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:21,680
Speaker 1: ahead and go even THOUGH i think now it might

2077
01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:23,519
Speaker 1: be more of like a dinner show as opposed to a.

2078
01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:28,160
Speaker 2: Concert SO i THINK i just put them in a superclative.

2079
01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:31,200
Speaker 2: Price right this is From Sean sharania just In, chicago

2080
01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:34,880
Speaker 2: Min minnesota And detroit have agreed on a multi team.

2081
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:38,559
Speaker 2: Deal eddie is, talking but about hearing Him Jaden ivy

2082
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:41,479
Speaker 2: And Mike conley to The bulls And Kevin herder And

2083
01:50:41,560 --> 01:50:43,920
Speaker 2: Dario sariz to The. Pistons SORRY i didn't hear. You

2084
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:46,639
Speaker 2: can you repeat that one more? TIME i, Said Chicago

2085
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:51,960
Speaker 2: Minnesota detroit multi team. Deal Jaden ivy And Mike Conley.

2086
01:50:52,040 --> 01:50:55,920
Speaker 2: Jr are being sent to The Chicago, Bulls Kevin herder

2087
01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:59,680
Speaker 2: And Dario Sarich are being sent to The Detroit. Pistons

2088
01:51:00,120 --> 01:51:04,280
Speaker 2: detroit will also receive a twenty twenty six first round

2089
01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:07,200
Speaker 2: protected swap From.

2090
01:51:07,240 --> 01:51:11,479
Speaker 1: Minnesota so this is now four players already today With

2091
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:12,479
Speaker 1: indiana ties that are.

2092
01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:16,880
Speaker 2: Moving that is, Correct, yeah.

2093
01:51:15,880 --> 01:51:19,040
Speaker 1: Fair, enough welcome, Back go over all of it and

2094
01:51:19,320 --> 01:51:21,519
Speaker 1: let you hear From Rick carlisle last night on something

2095
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:24,040
Speaker 1: as how it might tip the hand about The pacers.

2096
01:51:24,040 --> 01:51:28,599
Speaker 1: Next so let's get into this as we head now

2097
01:51:28,680 --> 01:51:31,320
Speaker 1: inside of forty eight hours of THE nba trade.

2098
01:51:31,320 --> 01:51:34,600
Speaker 3: Deadline it is no secret that the.

2099
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:38,520
Speaker 1: Discussion i'm not saying that makes it factual or, imperative

2100
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:41,760
Speaker 1: but it's no secret that it would seem as, though

2101
01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:44,320
Speaker 1: if The pacers decide that they would like to make a,

2102
01:51:44,360 --> 01:51:47,760
Speaker 1: trade That Ben matheren is the player that would be

2103
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:53,920
Speaker 1: most likely, traded partially because his contract is, expiring partially

2104
01:51:53,960 --> 01:51:56,559
Speaker 1: because he just while he is a very good, player

2105
01:51:58,360 --> 01:52:02,640
Speaker 1: he may have some scoring value outside Of, indiana and

2106
01:52:02,720 --> 01:52:07,240
Speaker 1: his method of scoring and method of play just alters

2107
01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:09,240
Speaker 1: a little bit from what it is The pacers want to.

2108
01:52:09,240 --> 01:52:15,720
Speaker 1: Do last, Night Rick carlyle matherin, yesterday he did have

2109
01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:22,479
Speaker 1: he has moments where it feels like he's right on

2110
01:52:22,560 --> 01:52:24,400
Speaker 1: the edge of kind of losing his, cool so to,

2111
01:52:24,439 --> 01:52:30,160
Speaker 1: speak and last night there was an element of. That

2112
01:52:30,280 --> 01:52:33,599
Speaker 1: he got teed, up but he calmed it. Down And

2113
01:52:33,720 --> 01:52:37,080
Speaker 1: Rick carlile was asked after the game and listened closely

2114
01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:40,160
Speaker 1: about his assessment Of Ben matheren's play of.

2115
01:52:40,240 --> 01:52:42,799
Speaker 2: LATE i thought he played a terrific.

2116
01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:46,600
Speaker 4: Game you, know his reads of situations Got he's come so.

2117
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:49,160
Speaker 4: Far you, know he's made some very good. Passes he

2118
01:52:49,200 --> 01:52:51,560
Speaker 4: get fours. Thisss the last, game he gets to the

2119
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:54,400
Speaker 4: free throw, line he causes. Problems you, know he's he's

2120
01:52:54,439 --> 01:52:57,559
Speaker 4: really he's really come a long. Way we needed to

2121
01:52:57,560 --> 01:53:01,200
Speaker 4: get him. Back we just need the. Power you, know

2122
01:53:01,400 --> 01:53:04,200
Speaker 4: on a night like tonight where you got a, tough physical,

2123
01:53:04,240 --> 01:53:06,000
Speaker 4: team he can go out there and get you twenty

2124
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:08,360
Speaker 4: twenty five points and help you stay in the.

2125
01:53:08,360 --> 01:53:13,920
Speaker 1: GAME i will admit to me and maybe MY i

2126
01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:16,200
Speaker 1: have a preconceived bias in What i'm about to.

2127
01:53:16,240 --> 01:53:19,519
Speaker 2: Say but it feels a little bit.

2128
01:53:19,479 --> 01:53:23,360
Speaker 1: Like that's a guy that is up selling his, house, Right,

2129
01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:27,439
Speaker 1: oh you, know let me show you all the wonderful

2130
01:53:27,439 --> 01:53:29,599
Speaker 1: features because you know you're about to sell your. House

2131
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:33,600
Speaker 1: it feels a little bit like that to. Me but

2132
01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:37,320
Speaker 1: that's maybe BECAUSE i that's What i'm thinking he's. Saying

2133
01:53:38,120 --> 01:53:40,000
Speaker 1: he has always been somebody that has kind of talked

2134
01:53:40,040 --> 01:53:44,240
Speaker 1: up his, Guys Rick. Carlisle it is interesting that at

2135
01:53:44,280 --> 01:53:49,479
Speaker 1: one point he, said we need the. Bodies But Ben matherin,

2136
01:53:49,600 --> 01:53:55,080
Speaker 1: himself it can't be. Easy it can't be easy to

2137
01:53:55,200 --> 01:53:58,960
Speaker 1: go into a game play night in and night out

2138
01:53:59,080 --> 01:54:02,599
Speaker 1: if you are seeing your name constantly in trade. Rumors

2139
01:54:03,479 --> 01:54:11,719
Speaker 1: and maybe The pacers learn from. This The pacers had

2140
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:17,919
Speaker 1: to have seen or learned with The Miles turner situation

2141
01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:24,320
Speaker 1: that once a player tires of hearing their name within

2142
01:54:24,360 --> 01:54:29,320
Speaker 1: the trade, rumors and in, particular once a player sees

2143
01:54:30,280 --> 01:54:33,080
Speaker 1: a player at his position being signed to an offer,

2144
01:54:33,120 --> 01:54:38,640
Speaker 1: sheet then do you get the point of do you

2145
01:54:38,680 --> 01:54:40,080
Speaker 1: get to the point, of Like i'm not going to

2146
01:54:40,120 --> 01:54:43,920
Speaker 1: say no, return but where you're not getting entire focus

2147
01:54:44,040 --> 01:54:49,800
Speaker 1: from said player because they, know, well, look if they're

2148
01:54:49,800 --> 01:54:51,560
Speaker 1: wanting to part ways from, me then what AM i?

2149
01:54:51,600 --> 01:54:55,680
Speaker 1: Doing there has to be an element of that thought

2150
01:54:55,760 --> 01:55:00,200
Speaker 1: process that goes into. It from a player. Standpoint i'm

2151
01:55:00,240 --> 01:55:02,880
Speaker 1: saying Now matherin's going to be a free agent at

2152
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:05,400
Speaker 1: the end of the. Year you, know The pacers are

2153
01:55:05,400 --> 01:55:07,040
Speaker 1: going to have the ability to. Match he's going to be,

2154
01:55:07,080 --> 01:55:11,520
Speaker 1: restricted but we'll see if he has not traded what

2155
01:55:11,560 --> 01:55:13,600
Speaker 1: that means at the trade deadline or you, know OR

2156
01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:15,960
Speaker 1: i mean passing the trade, deadline or heading into the

2157
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:18,880
Speaker 1: off season if there's a sign in trade. Involved but

2158
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:21,440
Speaker 1: in terms of the psychology of all of that and

2159
01:55:21,480 --> 01:55:23,480
Speaker 1: the playing through all of, it here's ben A Nick

2160
01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:24,080
Speaker 1: matheren last.

2161
01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:26,160
Speaker 9: NIGHT i could go two ways about. IT i can be,

2162
01:55:26,240 --> 01:55:30,160
Speaker 9: stressing worried about. ANYTHING i just feel like stress only

2163
01:55:30,200 --> 01:55:32,440
Speaker 9: comes from when you're not ready for, situations you know

2164
01:55:32,480 --> 01:55:34,800
Speaker 9: What i'm. Saying so for, me it's pretty much just

2165
01:55:35,200 --> 01:55:37,480
Speaker 9: keep my head. Down keep, working. Man you know What i'm.

2166
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:40,120
Speaker 9: Saying if it, happens it. Happens if it, Doesn't i'm

2167
01:55:40,120 --> 01:55:40,400
Speaker 9: here to.

2168
01:55:40,440 --> 01:55:44,000
Speaker 2: Work by the, Way, EDDIE i just got.

2169
01:55:44,040 --> 01:55:48,080
Speaker 1: This, Hey, eddie at least If querry keeps having voice,

2170
01:55:48,160 --> 01:55:50,440
Speaker 1: issues then maybe we won't have to hear anything more

2171
01:55:50,440 --> 01:55:50,920
Speaker 1: related TO.

2172
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:51,400
Speaker 2: Qr.

2173
01:55:51,800 --> 01:55:54,800
Speaker 3: Hopefully i'm telling YOU i had tons of people last

2174
01:55:54,880 --> 01:55:56,600
Speaker 3: night Q.

2175
01:55:57,160 --> 01:55:59,720
Speaker 1: R and that's the, thing, like if my voice is

2176
01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:02,200
Speaker 1: going in and OUT i can still give you.

2177
01:56:03,640 --> 01:56:05,080
Speaker 3: Head nods and hand.

2178
01:56:04,920 --> 01:56:08,040
Speaker 1: Gestures to know what we need to do, here which

2179
01:56:08,080 --> 01:56:11,880
Speaker 1: is also Q are because it's in code Q. Are

2180
01:56:13,480 --> 01:56:15,080
Speaker 1: now you don't want to admit, It, eddie but you're

2181
01:56:15,120 --> 01:56:16,400
Speaker 1: starting to hear more people use.

2182
01:56:16,440 --> 01:56:18,040
Speaker 2: That, no, no you are.

2183
01:56:18,440 --> 01:56:23,040
Speaker 3: No do you Think Ben matheren is going to be?

2184
01:56:23,080 --> 01:56:28,000
Speaker 2: MOVED i probably lean towards. YES i don't have anything

2185
01:56:28,040 --> 01:56:32,000
Speaker 2: to base it off. Of but you see the number

2186
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:34,560
Speaker 2: of people that are On, hey the pacers are out

2187
01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:37,280
Speaker 2: here fielding offers For matherin or you, know they're trying

2188
01:56:37,320 --> 01:56:40,000
Speaker 2: to find a starting. Center like it seems really. Obvious

2189
01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:45,200
Speaker 2: and the REASON i could also see it not being not.

2190
01:56:45,280 --> 01:56:48,160
Speaker 2: Happening jake is, like, well if there's this many rumors out,

2191
01:56:48,160 --> 01:56:51,320
Speaker 2: here there is the value of mathering going down by

2192
01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:57,240
Speaker 2: another reporter reporting on. It, YEAH i, mean like the

2193
01:56:57,280 --> 01:56:59,720
Speaker 2: more's name gets tossed, out there is a less inclined

2194
01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:02,480
Speaker 2: to get it moved because teams don't want.

2195
01:57:02,480 --> 01:57:05,400
Speaker 5: That you.

2196
01:57:05,400 --> 01:57:08,080
Speaker 1: Know the one THING i would say for him is

2197
01:57:08,120 --> 01:57:11,000
Speaker 1: almost in defense of. Him it's not like he's done

2198
01:57:11,000 --> 01:57:14,160
Speaker 1: anything necessarily TO i don't Think Ben matheren has done

2199
01:57:14,200 --> 01:57:20,360
Speaker 1: anything to render himself of non value In. Indiana it's

2200
01:57:20,480 --> 01:57:22,800
Speaker 1: just that he has shown that the value that he

2201
01:57:22,840 --> 01:57:28,400
Speaker 1: can bring may be better fitted, elsewhere you, know round,

2202
01:57:28,720 --> 01:57:33,120
Speaker 1: peg square. HOLE i think he's a good, player AND

2203
01:57:33,160 --> 01:57:36,480
Speaker 1: i think he's a talented. Guy and by all ACCOUNT

2204
01:57:36,520 --> 01:57:41,080
Speaker 1: i WHEN i say he's a good, TEAMMATE i don't know.

2205
01:57:41,160 --> 01:57:43,560
Speaker 1: That i'm not in the locker, room but it is

2206
01:57:43,640 --> 01:57:47,080
Speaker 1: my understanding that he's a pretty quiet to himself. Guy

2207
01:57:47,480 --> 01:57:50,920
Speaker 1: this isn't a bad, thing isn't a bad. Thing BUT

2208
01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:54,560
Speaker 1: i don't know that moving from him creates like like

2209
01:57:54,600 --> 01:57:59,040
Speaker 1: there are certain players that if you took.

2210
01:57:58,960 --> 01:58:00,320
Speaker 3: Them out of the, equation.

2211
01:58:01,680 --> 01:58:04,800
Speaker 1: It becomes an issue within your roster because there would

2212
01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:07,720
Speaker 1: be almost like other player resentment or they just would miss.

2213
01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:10,440
Speaker 1: IT i Mean James johnson last year is is a good.

2214
01:58:10,440 --> 01:58:12,520
Speaker 1: Example there's a reason they kept bringing him.

2215
01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:12,760
Speaker 7: BACK.

2216
01:58:13,960 --> 01:58:18,280
Speaker 1: Tj, McConnell i think would be that. GUY i Think

2217
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:22,080
Speaker 1: Obi toppin feels like kind of that, guy and then

2218
01:58:22,120 --> 01:58:24,320
Speaker 1: there's guys Like. Matheren it doesn't make him a bad

2219
01:58:24,360 --> 01:58:28,000
Speaker 1: guy at. ALL i just think that he probably is

2220
01:58:28,080 --> 01:58:30,240
Speaker 1: one that if he were to be, moved players would be, like,

2221
01:58:30,320 --> 01:58:31,720
Speaker 1: oh you know, what you, know he's a good, dude

2222
01:58:32,200 --> 01:58:33,600
Speaker 1: and that would be. It it wasn't like he was

2223
01:58:33,640 --> 01:58:36,080
Speaker 1: an integral part of like the locker room hyjenks and

2224
01:58:36,120 --> 01:58:37,680
Speaker 1: the bonding and everything, else.

2225
01:58:39,960 --> 01:58:40,640
Speaker 3: Just kind of his own.

2226
01:58:40,720 --> 01:58:44,680
Speaker 1: Dude, now you made a very interesting, Point, eddie in

2227
01:58:44,720 --> 01:58:48,520
Speaker 1: regards To utah being so far the active team of

2228
01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:51,760
Speaker 1: the day, yep and how it relates To indiana.

2229
01:58:52,840 --> 01:58:57,480
Speaker 2: Elaborate so Were utah making that deal they INCLUDED i

2230
01:58:57,520 --> 01:59:01,200
Speaker 2: have to find the exactly on the, picks BUT i

2231
01:59:01,200 --> 01:59:05,080
Speaker 2: believe they were including their twenty twenty six first round.

2232
01:59:05,080 --> 01:59:07,160
Speaker 2: Pick and if that's the, case That utah and it's

2233
01:59:07,280 --> 01:59:11,680
Speaker 2: the best of three of them here it is they

2234
01:59:11,760 --> 01:59:14,280
Speaker 2: are of the most favorable of the twenty twenty. Seven

2235
01:59:14,360 --> 01:59:16,680
Speaker 2: so it's not even pertaining to this. Year so WHAT

2236
01:59:16,760 --> 01:59:19,480
Speaker 2: i said is, Irrelevant, jake BECAUSE i thought it was

2237
01:59:19,480 --> 01:59:22,040
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty sixth first round pick that was the

2238
01:59:22,080 --> 01:59:26,240
Speaker 2: most favorable Of, Cleveland minnesota In, Utahs AND i was

2239
01:59:26,280 --> 01:59:28,160
Speaker 2: going to, say if it was this upcoming, draft then

2240
01:59:28,160 --> 01:59:30,840
Speaker 2: If utah is giving away their, first then they're not

2241
01:59:30,880 --> 01:59:32,600
Speaker 2: going to be in the tanking. Business they're going to

2242
01:59:32,600 --> 01:59:35,520
Speaker 2: be in the business to kind of win, games to you,

2243
01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:38,040
Speaker 2: know make that pick move further back toward the middle

2244
01:59:38,040 --> 01:59:40,360
Speaker 2: of the. Pack but since that's a twenty twenty seven, pick,

2245
01:59:41,160 --> 01:59:44,680
Speaker 2: yeah they're going to be in full tank. Mode. Utah,

2246
01:59:44,760 --> 01:59:53,560
Speaker 2: yes and right Now utah In indiana both have nearly identical,

2247
01:59:53,600 --> 01:59:56,920
Speaker 2: Records utah fifteen and thirty, Five indiana thirteen and thirty.

2248
01:59:56,960 --> 02:00:00,720
Speaker 3: Seven so we are written hard tonight.

2249
02:00:00,880 --> 02:00:03,520
Speaker 1: Right, no but tonight's going to be interesting because you

2250
02:00:03,600 --> 02:00:06,040
Speaker 1: have if you also look at the pacer side of.

2251
02:00:06,080 --> 02:00:12,000
Speaker 1: Things No Ben matheren, tonight No Keyante george For utah

2252
02:00:12,160 --> 02:00:16,360
Speaker 1: by the, Way No Ben, matherin No Pascal, siakam No

2253
02:00:16,560 --> 02:00:21,200
Speaker 1: Aaron Nee, smith NO. Tj, McConnell No Obi, toppin No Tyres.

2254
02:00:21,200 --> 02:00:25,400
Speaker 2: Halliburton who's that? Miss you've got them All, Smith Nim

2255
02:00:25,440 --> 02:00:28,360
Speaker 2: Hard matherin.

2256
02:00:28,520 --> 02:00:34,839
Speaker 1: McConnell who is the PACER's leading scorer? Tonight, Oh Jerris?

2257
02:00:34,880 --> 02:00:38,480
Speaker 1: Walker is Nim hart?

2258
02:00:38,480 --> 02:00:41,760
Speaker 2: Playing, no we said Nim hart.

2259
02:00:41,760 --> 02:00:47,800
Speaker 1: Out, okay so you'll Say, Walker, yeah, BOY i mean

2260
02:00:47,800 --> 02:00:48,680
Speaker 1: that feels pretty.

2261
02:00:48,760 --> 02:00:56,160
Speaker 2: Likely i'll Go Jay, huff what? Right Ethan thompson Also,

2262
02:00:56,200 --> 02:00:59,760
Speaker 2: Okay Quentin jackson is he? PLAYING i would Assume Quentin jackson's? Playing,

2263
02:00:59,760 --> 02:01:00,280
Speaker 2: Okay Quentin.

2264
02:01:00,360 --> 02:01:03,160
Speaker 1: Jackson that's my, Guy Quentin jackson going for twenty three

2265
02:01:03,160 --> 02:01:07,200
Speaker 1: tonight leading. Score JB's, here he'll be in in just a.

2266
02:01:07,200 --> 02:01:09,160
Speaker 1: Moment we will bring you what he's got going on

2267
02:01:09,160 --> 02:01:11,040
Speaker 1: in his pig. Program part of The crossover brought to

2268
02:01:11,080 --> 02:01:14,080
Speaker 1: you By Love heating And Air Love DASH hvac dot

2269
02:01:14,120 --> 02:01:17,480
Speaker 1: com is the website three one, seven three five three

2270
02:01:17,560 --> 02:01:23,760
Speaker 1: twenty one forty one and Official Hile Heating Cooling. Dealer you, Know,

2271
02:01:23,920 --> 02:01:27,640
Speaker 1: eddie you might have been right about this at the

2272
02:01:27,680 --> 02:01:29,880
Speaker 1: beginning of the show WHEN i had my brain dropping

2273
02:01:29,880 --> 02:01:32,120
Speaker 1: WHERE i, said you, know for the getting in the

2274
02:01:32,120 --> 02:01:34,400
Speaker 1: mood for The Super, bowl we should set all the

2275
02:01:34,480 --> 02:01:36,080
Speaker 1: music To seattle And boston.

2276
02:01:36,120 --> 02:01:38,720
Speaker 3: Stuff and Now i'm thinking to, myself, well now what

2277
02:01:38,760 --> 02:01:38,960
Speaker 3: do we?

2278
02:01:39,000 --> 02:01:42,640
Speaker 2: DO i know tried telling you that why are we

2279
02:01:42,640 --> 02:01:46,160
Speaker 2: doing On? Tuesday honestly, Though so yesterday was Media, Day,

2280
02:01:46,360 --> 02:01:48,000
Speaker 2: yes yesterday was Media.

2281
02:01:48,080 --> 02:01:49,480
Speaker 3: DAY i, MEAN i was at the game last, night

2282
02:01:49,560 --> 02:01:50,640
Speaker 3: SO i didn't watch as much.

2283
02:01:50,680 --> 02:01:51,080
Speaker 2: Stuff but.

2284
02:01:52,560 --> 02:02:00,880
Speaker 1: And Maybe i'm too far out of the, vacuum BUT

2285
02:02:01,000 --> 02:02:03,560
Speaker 1: i can recall in particular WHEN i worked At channel,

2286
02:02:03,600 --> 02:02:05,920
Speaker 1: six but WHEN i was IN, tv notably.

2287
02:02:07,840 --> 02:02:09,280
Speaker 3: The media day for The Super.

2288
02:02:09,320 --> 02:02:11,200
Speaker 1: Bowl AND i remember even when The Super bowl was,

2289
02:02:11,240 --> 02:02:13,680
Speaker 1: here it was like they allowed fans in and you

2290
02:02:13,800 --> 02:02:18,560
Speaker 1: could put a headset on and listen into the frequency

2291
02:02:18,600 --> 02:02:22,040
Speaker 1: of the people as they answered. Questions and you, know

2292
02:02:22,160 --> 02:02:25,240
Speaker 1: Already lang and all these people were walking around and asking,

2293
02:02:25,320 --> 02:02:26,880
Speaker 1: questions and it was it was this.

2294
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:30,960
Speaker 3: Pop cultural event and it was a huge.

2295
02:02:31,000 --> 02:02:34,440
Speaker 1: Deal and you, know to find, out oh, wow look

2296
02:02:34,520 --> 02:02:37,680
Speaker 1: it's you, know it's that crazy kid THAT i saw

2297
02:02:37,760 --> 02:02:41,600
Speaker 1: On America's Got talent that like embarrassed himself by trying

2298
02:02:41,600 --> 02:02:43,760
Speaker 1: to play the drums on his.

2299
02:02:43,880 --> 02:02:46,800
Speaker 2: Sternum you, know He Adam schefter's daughter doing.

2300
02:02:46,920 --> 02:02:51,600
Speaker 1: Correct all that, right and that there were always bits

2301
02:02:51,840 --> 02:02:55,160
Speaker 1: and just you, know wacky hijinks that took place for,

2302
02:02:55,280 --> 02:02:57,080
Speaker 1: me AND i JUST i didn't hear about any of

2303
02:02:57,120 --> 02:02:58,280
Speaker 1: it yesterday.

2304
02:02:57,960 --> 02:02:58,200
Speaker 5: Right.

2305
02:03:00,200 --> 02:03:03,200
Speaker 2: AM i? Wrong OR i know you're not. WRONG i

2306
02:03:03,200 --> 02:03:05,360
Speaker 2: didn't hear much about it, either And i'm usually one

2307
02:03:05,400 --> 02:03:07,800
Speaker 2: that seeks out that kind of. Stuff Drake may did

2308
02:03:07,840 --> 02:03:11,480
Speaker 2: say that his shoulder injury is, improving that he feels

2309
02:03:11,480 --> 02:03:15,840
Speaker 2: like he turned the corner and is feeling better ahead

2310
02:03:15,840 --> 02:03:17,800
Speaker 2: of the game On, sunday which is.

2311
02:03:17,840 --> 02:03:20,200
Speaker 1: GOOD i guess that's the other thing is there's really

2312
02:03:20,240 --> 02:03:24,480
Speaker 1: no big question mark, storyline right. RIGHT i, mean you

2313
02:03:24,520 --> 02:03:27,560
Speaker 1: know the thing that's interesting about This Super bowl matchup

2314
02:03:28,920 --> 02:03:31,280
Speaker 1: is we don't have a team that is trying to

2315
02:03:31,320 --> 02:03:35,200
Speaker 1: preserve its, legacy. Nop we don't have a team that

2316
02:03:35,320 --> 02:03:39,000
Speaker 1: is entering into the potential era of a dynasty. Noop

2317
02:03:40,280 --> 02:03:42,480
Speaker 1: AND i Think Drake may is a really good. QUARTERBACK

2318
02:03:42,560 --> 02:03:45,000
Speaker 1: i wonder if this is not going to replicate the

2319
02:03:45,040 --> 02:03:48,000
Speaker 1: career Of Dan marino where he goes to The Super

2320
02:03:48,000 --> 02:03:50,080
Speaker 1: bowl early and you just assume that means it's going

2321
02:03:50,120 --> 02:03:52,960
Speaker 1: to be that way for ten years plus and you

2322
02:03:53,000 --> 02:03:54,520
Speaker 1: look back and you, go, YEAH i mean that was

2323
02:03:54,600 --> 02:03:54,880
Speaker 1: kind of the.

2324
02:03:54,920 --> 02:03:59,520
Speaker 2: Shot, WELL i THINK i Think Dan marino is ninety

2325
02:03:59,560 --> 02:04:03,760
Speaker 2: minutes from where we sit right now In East.

2326
02:04:04,560 --> 02:04:10,120
Speaker 1: Think so, yeah you're saying, southeast, Right, yes, Yeah Joe. Burrow, yeah,

2327
02:04:10,200 --> 02:04:13,960
Speaker 1: yeah that's. Fair that's a very good. Point, also you,

2328
02:04:13,960 --> 02:04:17,840
Speaker 1: know THE i think it's a good. MATCHUP i think

2329
02:04:17,880 --> 02:04:21,040
Speaker 1: they're both likable. TEAMS i think they have good. Storylines

2330
02:04:21,040 --> 02:04:22,960
Speaker 1: there's not a single THING i can say about it

2331
02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:28,200
Speaker 1: that turns me off other than a patriot, fatigue if you.

2332
02:04:28,240 --> 02:04:29,240
Speaker 5: Will BUT.

2333
02:04:31,240 --> 02:04:34,280
Speaker 1: I just it feels to me this is the first

2334
02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:36,000
Speaker 1: time THAT i really have felt this.

2335
02:04:36,040 --> 02:04:42,480
Speaker 3: Way there just seems to be a lack of buzz about.

2336
02:04:42,480 --> 02:04:42,640
Speaker 5: It.

2337
02:04:43,200 --> 02:04:46,840
Speaker 1: Right the only thing That i've heard in regards to

2338
02:04:46,880 --> 02:04:50,120
Speaker 1: The Super bowl in terms of NonStop chatter has been about.

2339
02:04:49,960 --> 02:04:54,680
Speaker 2: The halftime show And Bad bunnies. Wardrobe.

2340
02:04:55,320 --> 02:04:59,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah and you, KNOW i Think apple sponsoring it

2341
02:04:59,360 --> 02:05:01,200
Speaker 1: and what that may mean and whatever Else.

2342
02:05:01,640 --> 02:05:03,960
Speaker 2: Apple sponsored the past couple of, Years, right that's nothing.

2343
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:06,160
Speaker 2: New what's Happening apple has sponsored the past couple of.

2344
02:05:06,200 --> 02:05:07,480
Speaker 2: Years it's not, like, well but.

2345
02:05:07,720 --> 02:05:12,400
Speaker 1: The rumor is That apple is Using Bad bunny because

2346
02:05:12,440 --> 02:05:16,680
Speaker 1: they are promoting their AirPods that can do immediate translation

2347
02:05:16,760 --> 02:05:17,800
Speaker 1: when somebody speaks a different.

2348
02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:21,360
Speaker 2: Way, well it's smart My, APPLE i, MEAN i, mean

2349
02:05:21,520 --> 02:05:25,080
Speaker 2: it's all a big promo for them. Too at the same,

2350
02:05:25,080 --> 02:05:27,240
Speaker 2: time like you'd have to go, back and what was

2351
02:05:27,280 --> 02:05:30,440
Speaker 2: the first year they did? It was that Uh rihanna

2352
02:05:30,880 --> 02:05:33,440
Speaker 2: when she was that the first year they sponsored the halftime,

2353
02:05:33,480 --> 02:05:35,920
Speaker 2: act maybe When rihanna performed and like the next, thing

2354
02:05:35,960 --> 02:05:38,280
Speaker 2: you know that she was soaring to the top of

2355
02:05:38,320 --> 02:05:40,640
Speaker 2: the charts On Apple, music right.

2356
02:05:40,960 --> 02:05:43,880
Speaker 1: Right do you remember that time that you tube got

2357
02:05:44,120 --> 02:05:46,000
Speaker 1: somehow released an album in everyone's?

2358
02:05:46,360 --> 02:05:48,760
Speaker 2: iPhone you remember? THAT i do remember. That you remember

2359
02:05:48,800 --> 02:05:50,640
Speaker 2: that time when you tried to start a movement WITH

2360
02:05:50,720 --> 02:05:52,720
Speaker 2: qr and it just never took off because it's the

2361
02:05:52,720 --> 02:05:55,360
Speaker 2: most ridiculous thing you've ever. Said, LISTEN i didn't even

2362
02:05:55,360 --> 02:05:56,840
Speaker 2: bring it. UP i didn't even bring it.

2363
02:05:56,880 --> 02:06:00,560
Speaker 1: Up and that's what that's, called right, there, buddy that

2364
02:06:00,560 --> 02:06:05,280
Speaker 1: that's what's called omnipresence of. Thought, no it's it is

2365
02:06:05,480 --> 02:06:08,839
Speaker 1: ubiquitous in your. Head it is it is now crept

2366
02:06:08,880 --> 02:06:13,160
Speaker 1: into your subconscience where you know what's. HIP i, mean

2367
02:06:13,200 --> 02:06:15,960
Speaker 1: despite what your wardrobe, says you know what's. Hip you

2368
02:06:16,040 --> 02:06:19,840
Speaker 1: know what pops, right and you know THE. Qr but

2369
02:06:19,840 --> 02:06:21,760
Speaker 1: but you did it partially. There but you need to

2370
02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:23,760
Speaker 1: go Q r like.

2371
02:06:23,840 --> 02:06:26,800
Speaker 2: That here's SOMETHING i do. Know you need to uh

2372
02:06:27,520 --> 02:06:29,600
Speaker 2: have some warm or hot.

2373
02:06:29,640 --> 02:06:32,440
Speaker 3: HONEY i just need to.

2374
02:06:32,440 --> 02:06:36,640
Speaker 2: Talk excuse, ME i just need to not. Talk. OKAY

2375
02:06:37,800 --> 02:06:39,840
Speaker 2: i thought you said you needed a nice. HAWK i was,

2376
02:06:39,840 --> 02:06:45,640
Speaker 2: like what hawk? To, Okay so what you're. Saying, no

2377
02:06:45,960 --> 02:06:47,360
Speaker 2: you can't be trying to be hit with the kids

2378
02:06:47,360 --> 02:06:50,360
Speaker 2: and drop something that's way out of. Date now you

2379
02:06:50,720 --> 02:06:51,360
Speaker 2: brought it, up not.

2380
02:06:51,440 --> 02:06:55,879
Speaker 1: Me, NO i do think that perhaps just not talking

2381
02:06:55,960 --> 02:06:59,440
Speaker 1: for a day might do me some. Good And Derek

2382
02:06:59,440 --> 02:07:01,280
Speaker 1: schultz is going of the game with me, tonight so

2383
02:07:01,840 --> 02:07:03,440
Speaker 1: it's rest assured That i'll get two and a half

2384
02:07:03,480 --> 02:07:06,080
Speaker 1: hours there WHERE i don't say a, Word so that's.

2385
02:07:06,120 --> 02:07:08,560
Speaker 2: Good is he gonna make That is he gonna make

2386
02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:10,040
Speaker 2: a tweet with a picture on it and, Say, Hey

2387
02:07:10,080 --> 02:07:11,360
Speaker 2: i'm finally down here for the first.

2388
02:07:11,360 --> 02:07:15,280
Speaker 3: Time probably PROBABLY jamv just walked.

2389
02:07:15,320 --> 02:07:16,840
Speaker 1: In we'll see what he's got lined up on the

2390
02:07:16,840 --> 02:07:21,000
Speaker 1: big program here, briefly as my, voice that, Boy usually

2391
02:07:21,040 --> 02:07:22,680
Speaker 1: you're the one whose voice goes in and out at,

2392
02:07:22,680 --> 02:07:23,680
Speaker 1: times but mine is right.

2393
02:07:23,680 --> 02:07:25,080
Speaker 2: NOW i don't know what's going. On you're going through.

2394
02:07:25,080 --> 02:07:29,160
Speaker 2: Puberty that's, right when it's time to change me. Too

2395
02:07:29,400 --> 02:07:33,200
Speaker 2: what's on the big? Program? John, wha? Man what? HAPPENED

2396
02:07:33,480 --> 02:07:33,800
Speaker 2: i have no?

2397
02:07:33,880 --> 02:07:36,640
Speaker 11: Idea how are you going to yell For Walker kessler

2398
02:07:36,760 --> 02:07:37,600
Speaker 11: later off the night and his.

2399
02:07:37,640 --> 02:07:39,440
Speaker 2: Injuries hey Ask eddy.

2400
02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:41,880
Speaker 11: This eddie would know because all The pacer people Want

2401
02:07:41,920 --> 02:07:43,120
Speaker 11: Walker kessler here one of these.

2402
02:07:43,200 --> 02:07:45,800
Speaker 2: Days congo seems to be THE.

2403
02:07:45,800 --> 02:07:48,160
Speaker 11: Famo everybody Thinks Walker, kessler one of these names would

2404
02:07:48,160 --> 02:07:48,400
Speaker 11: be a great.

2405
02:07:48,400 --> 02:07:51,440
Speaker 2: Addition CONG i can never say his name From. Atlanta

2406
02:07:51,440 --> 02:07:55,160
Speaker 2: it's really. Good, yes he's always, injured is he he?

2407
02:07:55,320 --> 02:07:59,120
Speaker 11: IS i will hate This and if and, WHEN i

2408
02:07:59,160 --> 02:08:03,200
Speaker 11: guess they decide to Trade mather AND i think that

2409
02:08:03,640 --> 02:08:05,680
Speaker 11: AND i was right About people could say THAT i

2410
02:08:05,800 --> 02:08:07,840
Speaker 11: was wrong About miles and make fun Of, miles BUT

2411
02:08:07,880 --> 02:08:10,640
Speaker 11: i was right About miles because he was. Essential he

2412
02:08:10,880 --> 02:08:13,480
Speaker 11: sucked in the, finals but he was essentially get them

2413
02:08:13,560 --> 02:08:14,200
Speaker 11: as a part of that.

2414
02:08:14,280 --> 02:08:17,000
Speaker 2: TEAM i think this is a piece.

2415
02:08:16,720 --> 02:08:19,800
Speaker 11: That they're going to miss if they do decide to

2416
02:08:19,840 --> 02:08:23,240
Speaker 11: part with been A Nick mather possibly THINK i think they.

2417
02:08:23,720 --> 02:08:26,680
Speaker 1: Will, Anyway turner could be on the, Block, john they

2418
02:08:26,680 --> 02:08:31,160
Speaker 1: could Get turner. Back turner apparently Is milwaukee is open for?

2419
02:08:31,240 --> 02:08:34,040
Speaker 11: Discussion oh, yeah because they're going to probably go the

2420
02:08:34,080 --> 02:08:36,200
Speaker 11: way Of memphis right here pretty.

2421
02:08:36,200 --> 02:08:37,600
Speaker 3: Soon And i've said.

2422
02:08:37,400 --> 02:08:39,320
Speaker 11: All along that it would Be, Miles turner And Karl

2423
02:08:39,360 --> 02:08:42,440
Speaker 11: Anthony towns playing together In milwaukee one of these. Days

2424
02:08:42,680 --> 02:08:45,320
Speaker 11: but it may not even be him, now considering he's

2425
02:08:45,320 --> 02:08:48,160
Speaker 11: An All, star AND i just figured Maybe joannest would

2426
02:08:48,240 --> 02:08:49,360
Speaker 11: end up In New york one of these.

2427
02:08:49,440 --> 02:08:51,680
Speaker 2: Days but, yeah are you going to the game? TONIGHT

2428
02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:54,320
Speaker 2: i am about five people playing this.

2429
02:08:54,440 --> 02:08:56,880
Speaker 1: Evening i'm ACTUALLY i THINK i can get some shots

2430
02:08:56,920 --> 02:08:57,640
Speaker 1: up if you want to go.

2431
02:08:58,080 --> 02:09:00,840
Speaker 11: WELL i actually Text Chad. BUCHANNAN i, said, man lay

2432
02:09:00,880 --> 02:09:03,880
Speaker 11: the uniform. OUT i can give you ten. Easy i'll

2433
02:09:03,920 --> 02:09:05,920
Speaker 11: sign a ten minute contract or the lot turn play

2434
02:09:05,960 --> 02:09:06,240
Speaker 11: for ten.

2435
02:09:06,280 --> 02:09:09,960
Speaker 2: Minutes give me a little. Time how hard it?

2436
02:09:10,120 --> 02:09:13,080
Speaker 11: Was have you Seen utah's? ROSTER i mean that's a

2437
02:09:13,120 --> 02:09:16,360
Speaker 11: glorified hyper roster right. There what the hell right about that?

2438
02:09:16,520 --> 02:09:19,840
Speaker 11: Game it's The Noblesville boom and The Salt Lake stars. Played,

2439
02:09:20,200 --> 02:09:23,240
Speaker 11: YEAH i played against better competition On sunday At southport

2440
02:09:23,280 --> 02:09:24,800
Speaker 11: than they're going to see tonight down.

2441
02:09:24,840 --> 02:09:26,800
Speaker 2: There what's on the big show we'll?

2442
02:09:26,840 --> 02:09:28,600
Speaker 11: DO i think cciter a little bit later on about

2443
02:09:28,600 --> 02:09:32,720
Speaker 11: trade rumors AND i don't know betting, props and As

2444
02:09:32,800 --> 02:09:34,480
Speaker 11: Larry bird would, say, stuff.

2445
02:09:34,320 --> 02:09:38,360
Speaker 1: Yep all, Right john's up. Next i'm gonna go find

2446
02:09:38,360 --> 02:09:40,800
Speaker 1: my voice back with you at noon. TOMORROW i thank

2447
02:09:40,840 --> 02:09:41,800
Speaker 1: you for listening to THE Quarym.

2448
02:09:41,840 --> 02:09:42,160
Speaker 2: Company