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Speaker 1: Kyle Nedrip joins us now on the Java House Colbrew

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Speaker 1: Coffee guest line. Sectionals upcoming. But Kyle, I'll begin with this.

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Speaker 1: I found this peculiar and open disclaimer. I don't know

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Speaker 1: that I need to give the open disclaimer, but I will.

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Speaker 1: You know, I grew up with Alan Henderson. I went

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Speaker 1: to elementary school with Alan Henderson. I knew him, I

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Speaker 1: played youth sports with him, and knew him all the

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Speaker 1: way through high school. We are the same class. And

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Speaker 1: I just talked to Alan probably three weeks ago, and

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Speaker 1: we talked about both of his sons, the younger of

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Speaker 1: which is playing right now, and he was at University

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Speaker 1: High and now just before Sectional has decided to change schools.

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Speaker 1: I did not talk to Alan about this, so I

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Speaker 1: will refer to you, Kyle. Do you know the reasoning

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Speaker 1: that Joshua Henderson now is changing high schools right on

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Speaker 1: the cusp of sectionals?

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Speaker 2: Not anymore than you know I quoted him in the story,

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Speaker 2: and you know, talked to Alan. He was he was

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Speaker 2: a cough wind of it the day that he he

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Speaker 2: withdrew from university. And talked to Alan that night and

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Speaker 2: then the following morning, and uh, you know, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean we talked a little bit on the phone,

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Speaker 2: but you know, there wasn't any There isn't any I

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Speaker 2: would say single incident or anything like that, at least

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Speaker 2: that I'm publicly you know that he told me on

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Speaker 2: the phone publicly.

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Speaker 3: Or you know anything, you know, to be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's just more of a you know,

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Speaker 2: it's more of a situation where you know, they just

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Speaker 2: felt like this was gonna and I know it's a

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Speaker 2: generic thing. And he he did say just a quote

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Speaker 2: and he said, Josh met some good people and had

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Speaker 2: some good experiences at university. Uh, he got a chance

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Speaker 2: to develop and get on the court, continue to work

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Speaker 2: on his game academically, He enjoyed his teachers and classes.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of good but there is something

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Speaker 2: where he wants to try to continue his development. But

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Speaker 2: this is something where he wants to try to continue

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Speaker 2: his development. And he also said his daughter is transferring

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Speaker 2: from university to Carmel as well. She's a freshman and

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Speaker 2: a really good volleyball player as well, so it's kind

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Speaker 2: of a family decision. But yeah, obviously the timing of

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Speaker 2: it drew a lot of.

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Speaker 4: Race and eyebrows.

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Speaker 2: I don't think the fact that he transferred is you know,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of transfers that happened, you know, that

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Speaker 2: happened after the season or after a school year. Definitely,

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Speaker 2: the timing of it race and eyebrows and was kind

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Speaker 2: of shocking for me to hear about it when I

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Speaker 2: did hear about it on Wednesday, because I just covered

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Speaker 2: their game on Friday.

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Speaker 4: I talked to Alan before the game. I watched Josh play.

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Speaker 2: He had like, you know, nineteen twenty one points something

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Speaker 2: like that, and they won the game and he played

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Speaker 2: really well, and you know he I talked to him

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Speaker 2: after the game, and you know, so I just, yeah,

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Speaker 2: so the timing of it not ideal.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: I did talk to Justin Blaining or texted with him,

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Speaker 2: and he said, you know, hey, you know, we're you know,

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Speaker 2: the kids are moving forward.

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Speaker 3: And that's kind.

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Speaker 2: Of something you think about too, is what the position

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Speaker 2: they're put in by this, you know, he said, they're positive.

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Speaker 4: And moving forward.

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Speaker 2: They do have a really good senior class and Josh

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Speaker 2: is a junior. Uh, but they do have a really

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Speaker 2: good senior class that played in the state finals last year.

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Speaker 3: So they have a lot of guys.

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Speaker 2: With a lot of pride that I'm sure will be uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, ready for the sectional and you know that

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Speaker 2: that will still be a tough team to beat. I

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Speaker 2: think now you take you know, nineteen points out of

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Speaker 2: the lineup, and that's pretty big deal and your leading rebounder.

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Speaker 2: But uh but you know, I feel like they're you know,

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Speaker 2: they're they're moving forward and uh you know, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean I think one of the things to here too,

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Speaker 2: you know, and maybe I'm ramblings. Will cut me off

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Speaker 2: if you need to, but I think part of the

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Speaker 2: thing too is here the you know, the thirty day

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Speaker 2: uh transfer rule. You know that comes into effect. You

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Speaker 2: know once he starts at Carmel and rolls there, you know,

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Speaker 2: think that's something is maybe an unintended consequence of the

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Speaker 2: days and then be able to play. Now, he wouldn't

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Speaker 2: be able to play for Carmel anyway this year unless

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Speaker 2: they make it to the semi state, which is gonna

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Speaker 2: be hard to do, you know, even if he you know,

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Speaker 2: You know, they have to go pretty far in the tournament.

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Speaker 2: So but at any rate, Yeah, that's that's uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: that's pretty much the extent of it. I don't I

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Speaker 2: don't feel like there's a you know, maybe a story

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Speaker 2: that's been untold really or you know, any any singular

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Speaker 2: But you know, obviously the timing of it did did

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Speaker 2: certainly you know, get people's attention well.

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Speaker 1: And I can understand, you know. And also again, I

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Speaker 1: mean I grew up with Alan, right, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: know the the competitive nature of it all, and I

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Speaker 1: can I can appreciate and and listen, I know, you know,

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Speaker 1: Alan Henderson comes from an academically based family, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean his his I know both his parents, you know. Again,

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Speaker 1: and Alan is as smart as any kid. I grew

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Speaker 1: I mean he was He's a very smart dude. And

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Speaker 1: so I understand the reality or the likelihood that this

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Speaker 1: was a situation from the competitive standpoint of you know what,

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Speaker 1: this is a great school and a great opportunity. But

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Speaker 1: you know, Carmel is also a fantastic school that offers

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Speaker 1: both academically, socially and athletically, probably bigger challenges than a

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Speaker 1: smaller school. And I can certainly understand that Alan and

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Speaker 1: his wife may simply have said, that's what we want

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Speaker 1: to have provided for our son. He's gotten to the

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Speaker 1: the level of development that can be seen at that level,

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Speaker 1: and so let's push it further. I just thought, because

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Speaker 1: it is not a semester break and it's not an

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Speaker 1: end of season, the timing was simply what was peculiar

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Speaker 1: about it? For certain, But was there anything nefarious? I

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Speaker 1: it would be unwise and irresponsible to me to say that.

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Speaker 1: But but let's get into just itself teams right now, Kyle,

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Speaker 1: as we get ready for the postseason. Aside from that story,

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Speaker 1: give me the team as opposed to talking about who

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Speaker 1: the favorites may be here in sectional, Let's talk about

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Speaker 1: a team that perhaps was clicking along and at some

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Speaker 1: point this year looked really really good, but might have

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Speaker 1: peaked a little bit too early and now you have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's And one thing I will add to that too,

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Speaker 2: is is is Josh, did you at a Creekside element?

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Speaker 2: He is a Carmel Uh, you know, he's Carmel district

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Speaker 2: and everything. So you know, that's uh. I just wanted

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Speaker 2: to add that to just in case, you know, people

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Speaker 2: but just to add to that. But but yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean that's good. That's a good question.

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 2: Uh, you know one team that I've I've covered a

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Speaker 2: few times and I'm kind of wondering if if I

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Speaker 2: don't wonder how good they are, what they can potentially

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Speaker 2: do in the in the tournament is Ben Davis. And

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Speaker 2: they just kind of and I talked to Don Carlisle

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Speaker 2: about this after the Pike game and they lost by

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Speaker 2: three points, and they're right in the game and it

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Speaker 2: went down to the wire, and Pikes as good as anybody,

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Speaker 2: but they just kind of haven't got over the hump

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Speaker 2: against some of these better teams. Now, they came out

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Speaker 2: they after they actually they lost to Lawrence North and

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Speaker 2: then beat else Uh. But they've kind of been that

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Speaker 2: team that, you know, I wonder if they're going to

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Speaker 2: break through and then maybe it'll happen in the sectional.

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Speaker 2: They'll they'll play in the sectional at Plainfield, which is

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Speaker 2: loaded with Plainfield and Pike in that bracket as well

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Speaker 2: with Brownsburg and Avon. But but they're kind of that

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Speaker 2: sleeper team to me. They started ten and they lost it,

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Speaker 2: and then they've kind of hit a little bit of

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Speaker 2: a rougher patch here with with four losses I think

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Speaker 2: in their last six games. But but I still think

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Speaker 2: they're they're good enough with Jayshaun Ladd and and Uh

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Speaker 2: and really create some havoc in that sectional. But but

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Speaker 2: they haven't. You know, again, they just haven't quite got

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Speaker 2: that they kind of fit your category.

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Speaker 3: But they you know, they played.

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Speaker 2: Really close against Carmel, you know, they played close against Pike.

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Speaker 2: You know that Lawrence North game kind of got away

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Speaker 2: a little bit from them, but Llen is very good

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Speaker 2: as well this year. So you know, these teams have lost.

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Speaker 2: You are all really good, but I think I think

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Speaker 2: they can be on par with those teams too. They

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Speaker 2: just they haven't quite done it here recently, but I

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Speaker 2: think they're capable. So I think that's one team that

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, end with this, Kyle. I want you to

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Speaker 1: tell me, Kyle, and net Rep is my guest. He's

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Speaker 1: on the Joba House Colbrew Coffee guest line. I want

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Speaker 1: you to tell me, Kyle, of something you witnessed, something

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Speaker 1: you observe might not have even been in a game.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it was a practice, maybe a kid you interviewed.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it as a coach you talked to. Maybe it

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Speaker 1: was a backstory, maybe it was a story you told

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Speaker 1: about Ron Colly, whatever it might be. But give me

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Speaker 1: the last thing that you witnessed that led you that

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Speaker 1: night when you went to bed to say to yourself,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's pretty cool what I get to do

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Speaker 1: for a living. These are the kinds of stories that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: sure anybody can go out and cover the state title game,

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Speaker 1: but to be able to witness or first hand see

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Speaker 1: up close or be privy to the kind of connection

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Speaker 1: that I saw, or story that I saw, or passion

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Speaker 1: that I saw. That's why I do what I do.

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Speaker 1: Tell me the last thing that invoked in you that emotion.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I've got a good one for you.

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Speaker 2: I was at the girls sectional at Plainfield and they

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Speaker 2: had lost to Pike in the Sexual Championship game. So

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Speaker 2: I'm in the hallway talking to Kurt Bene, the Plainfield

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Speaker 2: Girls coach, and I had walked through the you know,

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Speaker 2: there's kind of that sort of a corridor that leads

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Speaker 2: back back to the locker room that goes kind of

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Speaker 2: underneath the bleachers and all that, and you know, Kurt

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Speaker 2: has taken time to you know, hug the girls as

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Speaker 3: Out of the locker room. He's like, I'm sorry, I gotta,

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Speaker 4: I'm like, not, you gotta do what you gotta do.

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Speaker 2: And then we would continue our interview and that kind

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Speaker 2: of went on for a few minutes. And then as

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Speaker 2: I was leaving to go back through the doors, Hannah Menzer,

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Speaker 3: But but yeah, but to me, that really that really

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Speaker 1: Very cool, indeed, Kyle, And you know, it's finding those

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Speaker 4: All right, all right, Jake, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 5: It is Zach.

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Speaker 1: I'll begin with the trivia question of this. I'm going

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Speaker 5: Well, it is I think best enjoyed in the summer

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think that's a good question. I think

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Speaker 5: cannot remember last time Indiana shot the ball well at

435
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Speaker 5: Matthew But it is a very difficult place to go

436
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 5: You can't just go there and assume you're going to

437
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,919
Speaker 5: hit twelve frees. But that has been an issue for

438
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 5: Purdue probably for most of the last two years. It

439
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,639
Speaker 5: was certainly an issue in this first matchup, not just

440
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 5: because Okay, threes count for more than twos and teams

441
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 5: that hit threes tend to have more success and all that,

442
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,719
Speaker 5: but because of what I think it does to produce,

443
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 5: specifically lineup wise, the way that it stretches for due

444
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 5: out defensively, the way that it starts to take advantage

445
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 5: of in this matchitude can create the way that it

446
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 5: doesn't allow Perdue to crash the boards as easily necessarily,

447
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 5: because if they're having to stretch that defense out past

448
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 5: the perimeter, they're not going to have as many bodies

449
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 5: around the rim. And I think if you're Indiana, you

450
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 5: would look at tonight and you would say, if we

451
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,679
Speaker 5: can get a few of those shots to go in early,

452
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 5: then then we have a chance to maybe kind of

453
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 5: discombobulate Purdue's game plan in the same way we did

454
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 5: in Bloomington. But again, that is easier said than done

455
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 5: in that building.

456
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Speaker 1: You know, one thing I've never really asked Ach, you know,

457
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Speaker 1: We've gotten to know Kurt Signetti a little bit. I

458
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: don't mean personally, but I think fans know who he is,

459
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 1: what he's about. We see a lot of him. Darren

460
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 1: Derez has kind of been a little bit more in

461
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: the shadows, partially because of the success the success of

462
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 1: Indiana football, but you know, it's it's the first year

463
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 1: and it's a roster we were unfamiliar with, and I

464
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: do think that they are playing better basketball than they

465
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Speaker 1: were at the beginning of the year. I think he

466
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Speaker 1: deserves credit for that. But from what you can tell,

467
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 1: what kind of guy is he? Honestly, like, who is

468
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Speaker 1: the man that is guiding Indiana basketball?

469
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Speaker 5: Uh? He is, I mean incredibly laid back, like relative

470
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Speaker 5: to his profession. And I don't say that pointing at

471
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Speaker 5: anyone college basketball coach. I've just been around college basketball

472
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Speaker 5: coaches for a long time. They are a very high

473
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Speaker 5: energy bunch. And it's not like he doesn't have energy.

474
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Speaker 5: Actually the most energetic I think you see him as

475
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 5: on the side line, but likes he's about as easy

476
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 5: going as anybody I have ever covered in the job.

477
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Speaker 5: It's interesting because when we kind of got some time

478
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 5: to get to know him a little bit sit down

479
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 5: with him back in the spring. You know, he was insightful,

480
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 5: and he was he was professional, and he was you know,

481
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 5: a good interview and good to deal with. But I

482
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 5: kind of remember thinking that he was almost like a

483
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 5: little too quiet in a way, and I sort of

484
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 5: wondered if that would play with donors and things. And

485
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 5: then and then we went and covered its first trip

486
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Speaker 5: to Hubert. I don't know if you were familiar with

487
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 5: the annual swing in late May, Indiana always goes down

488
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 5: and has a big fundraising event at Huber's Orchard and

489
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 5: Winery down in Borden, and the football coach is the

490
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 5: basketball coach always go and it's somehow or another it's

491
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 5: become a media event down the years. And when he

492
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 5: got in front of a room of a thousand and

493
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Speaker 5: I you donors, you know, like like the light bulb

494
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 5: came on and he was a different person. You saw

495
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 5: that again with that event they had down on Kirkwood

496
00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 5: where he bought everybody a drink, and you could see

497
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 5: like the ability to kind of bring a little bit

498
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 5: more personality out when he needs it. Now, I think,

499
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 5: you know, certainly on the court and on the sideline.

500
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 5: He is very competitive most of his own team. I

501
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 5: think he is actually genuinely sort of proud of the

502
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 5: fact that he's never been whistled for a technical foul,

503
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 5: although there have been a couple times of this season

504
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,239
Speaker 5: that I've wondered if Big ten referees took that as

505
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 5: a personal challenge. But you know it, he I think,

506
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 5: by and large, he just kind of is what you see.

507
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 5: I think he's a lot like somebody like Greg McDermott

508
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 5: or Dana Alton, where there's there's not a lot of history,

509
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 5: onics there's not a lot of sort of over animation.

510
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 5: There's just kind of a basketball coach who's intense and

511
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 5: competitive on the sideline and just generally a little bit

512
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Speaker 5: more circumspect of it.

513
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Speaker 1: Okay, so what do we anticipate tonight? Early in this

514
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 1: game between Burduing Indiana and Macurina, you are going to

515
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Speaker 1: basically look at if something specific is happening that that's

516
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Speaker 1: going to tell you the way this game is going

517
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Speaker 1: to go. What's it going to be?

518
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 5: Again, this is really simplistic, but how Indianna is scoring

519
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 5: the ball? From Indiana's perspective, they have not shown an

520
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 5: ability to play to have success against anybody with a

521
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 5: pulse when they're not scoring the ball. This is this

522
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 5: is a team that wins by scoring. It is a

523
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 5: team built to win with offense. And that doesn't mean

524
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 5: that they can't defend their way through certain stretches. You know,

525
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 5: they only allowed to do what was the sixty seven

526
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 5: points sixty five point sixty seven in the game in Bloomington.

527
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Speaker 5: You know that they have been frankly better defensively than

528
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 5: I expected them to be. If you rewind back to

529
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Speaker 5: some of those practices we got to see in the summer,

530
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 5: I thought, oh, man, like this team could really really

531
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 5: struggle defensively. They have been a lot better than I

532
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 5: thought they would be at the defensive end of the floor.

533
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 5: But they win by scoring. That that's just that at

534
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 5: their DNA, that's how they're built. And I'm I've said

535
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 5: this a couple of times already. They I have not

536
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 5: been as fascinated by an EU Purdue game, either in

537
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 5: Bloomington or in les Lavatte as I am by this

538
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 5: one in a while. And that really has probably more

539
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 5: to do with Purdue because Indiana, certainly Indiana fans will

540
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 5: never look at a game against Purdue and say it's

541
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 5: a free hit. But if you wipe away the names

542
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 5: and the rosters and you just look at so you're

543
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 5: you know, the the sort of the the the the record,

544
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 5: the net ranking, whatever where you're playing, when you're playing,

545
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 5: et cetera. This is kind of Indiana's least important game less.

546
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: And it's really big for Purdue. Don't you feel that way, Zach.

547
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: It's really big for Purdue.

548
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 5: It's it is. It is Indiana's least important game unless

549
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 5: they win it, and then that changes basically everything about

550
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 5: the context of the season that puts them safely in

551
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 5: the NCAA tournament field. It gives Darren Debris the sweep

552
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 5: of his rival in year one. It is a signature

553
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 5: road wind that even something like UCLA wouldn't be. But

554
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 5: if they lose it, the last four games of the season,

555
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 5: and certainly those three home games were always more important

556
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 5: to especially because Indiana has already beaten Purdue once this season.

557
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 5: The context of was year one under Darren Debris' success.

558
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 5: Did they get to the tournament? Did they sort of

559
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 5: show proof of concept and justify like the path that

560
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 5: Indiana's put itself on. Here the three games after this

561
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 5: when it really even They said the four games after

562
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 5: this one, it's again, you removed all the sort of

563
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 5: you know, the passion and the emotion from the matchups

564
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 5: themselves were always the more important games. But to your point,

565
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 5: where is Purdue? Because eight games ago Purdue was seventeen

566
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 5: and one. They were flying. They looked as good at

567
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 5: any team in the country. Then they lost three in

568
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 5: a row. We sort of said that that's a blip.

569
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 5: Everyone's allowed to blip. Then they won four in a row,

570
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 5: and we sort of said, hey, they pulled themselves out

571
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 5: of it, and this was a huge week for them.

572
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 5: It was Michigan and I'm I know I'm the imperfect

573
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 5: vessel for this. I know I'm the IU writer for

574
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 5: the Indianapolis Stars. So you know, Purdue fans listening, please

575
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 5: understand I say this with absolutely no bias or mouth

576
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 5: or anything. I genuinely love watching Matt Painter basketball. It

577
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 5: is as a complete neutral. It is something that brings

578
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 5: me great joy. I am fascinated to know where this

579
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 5: Purdue team is because if they win a game like this,

580
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 5: and especially if they win it comfortably, and they could,

581
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,479
Speaker 5: they are justifiably a double digit favor at least they

582
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 5: were the last time I saw the line. Then we

583
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 5: can say, hey, that's four of five and the one

584
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 5: loss was to the best team in the country. You

585
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 5: can write that off. But this team is still in

586
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 5: great shape. They're headed for the tournament. They're gonna be

587
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 5: a top two seed. You know that, maybe they can

588
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 5: get Michigan again in the Big Ten. Whatever. If they lose,

589
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 5: suddenly it's they're four and five and their last nine

590
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 5: and they got swept by their rival, and the biggest

591
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 5: week of their season they wound up going zero to two.

592
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 5: I am just fascinated to know where this Purdue team

593
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 5: is because I do feel like group still has some

594
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 5: miles to travel together. I also feel like this group

595
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 5: has seen itself kind of run into and be unable

596
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 5: to solve the same problems a lot in the last

597
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 5: couple of years. Not a lot in terms of losses,

598
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 5: but a lot in terms of moments that we remember.

599
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 5: And I am I am fascinated to see where Purdue is.

600
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 5: When I say Indiana scoring, that's how Indiana way its games.

601
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 5: But it's also what if it is thirty three to

602
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 5: thirty two Indiana at halftime. What if we're at the

603
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 5: under twelfth time out and Indiana's only down two. What

604
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 5: if we get to the last five minutes and Indiana's

605
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 5: you know, up sixty six to sixty and it's a

606
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 5: close game. But some of those old some of those

607
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 5: old fears, some of those old doubts are creeping in

608
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 5: from what Purdue's has sort of seen itself, the problems

609
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 5: that's seen itself unable to solve in, you know, some

610
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 5: of these recent losses. That's where I think Indiana has

611
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 5: got scoreboard pressure up tonight. It has got to hit shots.

612
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 5: It is going to score with Purdue, it's got to absorb.

613
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 5: There will inevitably be a couple of Naki runs, and

614
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 5: it's got to find a way to absorb those. Because

615
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 5: I am I'm fascinated by this game, and I am

616
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 5: particularly fascinated to know what this looks like. If again

617
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 5: it is like Indiana sixty six Purdue sixty two at

618
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 5: the last media timeout, I have no idea what that

619
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 5: looks like, Zach.

620
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: Finally, what we do know what it looks like, and

621
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: that is the extended future or certainty thereof of Kurt

622
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: Signetti with Indiana. Correct, is there a new development in

623
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: that regard.

624
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, so he gets a new contract. He's now making

625
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 5: an average of thirteen point two million dollars. Ye, we

626
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 5: don't have the full term, so I don't know if

627
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 5: he's I don't, I don't. You know, typically that's not

628
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 5: what he's going to make next year, right, that's that's

629
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 5: the average of the whole contracts, year on year average

630
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 5: annual value. I think it's the preferred term in baseball.

631
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 5: It's This is not that it wasn't like a discussion

632
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 5: or negotiation, but this was written into the contract he

633
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 5: signed in October that if Indiana anytime Indiana made the

634
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 5: playoff semi final, the university, the afflet department was required

635
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 5: to go through I think it called it like a

636
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 5: good faith market review that basically ended with Kurt Signetti

637
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 5: being placed among the top three highest paid coaches in

638
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 5: the country. And so this was always kind of in

639
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 5: the mail, so to speak. This was I think a

640
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,719
Speaker 5: lot more pro forma, a lot more just sort of well,

641
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 5: here are the top three numbers, here's how we position

642
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 5: you within that group, and a lot less sort of Okay,

643
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 5: Now let's talk about bonuses. Now, let's talk about extra

644
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 5: Now let's talk about staffing pool. There may be some

645
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 5: of that stuff too when we get a hold of

646
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 5: the full deal. The term itself did not extend. It

647
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 5: still runs through twenty thirty three. But this was much

648
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 5: more of just kind of like a I mean, it

649
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Speaker 5: sounds weird to say that a you know, one point

650
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Speaker 5: seven million dollar raise was just sort of like a formality.

651
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Speaker 5: But this was a little bit more like that than

652
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Speaker 5: the sort of you know, the the the relative drama

653
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Speaker 5: of a totally renegotiated deal.

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Speaker 1: Those are some J and V numbers. Man, Like, that's impressive, right,

655
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Speaker 1: Lock it in, baby, lock it in and tear up

656
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Speaker 1: the knob, Zach. Appreciate the time as always, Indiana Purdue

657
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Speaker 1: and all the coverage from the Indiana side at the

658
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Speaker 1: Indianapol Star was Zach Osterman who joins us on the program.

659
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Speaker 1: Appreciate it man.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me as always. Well.

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Speaker 1: Good day, cold tenants in the summer and a warm

662
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Speaker 1: tenants in the winter. Love it. Joining us now on

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Speaker 1: the Java House Cold Brew Coffee guest line. He is,

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Speaker 1: of course with the Lafayette Now help me out here,

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Speaker 1: Eddie Journaling Courier. You got to run, yes, all right,

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Speaker 1: Lafia journal Conturier, Sam King joining us return guest of

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Speaker 1: the program. Sam, I'm going to begin right away with this,

668
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Speaker 1: and that is for Purdue when you look at this

669
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Speaker 1: particular game, is this is Purdue more worried about making

670
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Speaker 1: adjustments of what they didn't do against Indiana in round

671
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Speaker 1: one or does Purdue have bigger fish to fry of?

672
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Speaker 1: You know what, We've had a few games since then

673
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Speaker 1: that have been of more importance and we have other

674
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Speaker 1: areas to get ourselves right as opposed to esoterically honing

675
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Speaker 1: in on what Indiana may or may not do. Does

676
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Speaker 1: that make sense at all what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it does. And you know, if you go back

678
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Speaker 6: to that game in Bloomington, I think the issue was,

679
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Speaker 6: for whatever reason, for about twenty five to thirty minutes

680
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Speaker 6: a game time perdue, just look like it was out

681
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 6: there going through the motions and didn't play hard. And

682
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Speaker 6: Matt Painter is a guy who doesn't typically rip his

683
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Speaker 6: team in postgame, and that day he did. He just

684
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Speaker 6: said it was unexplainable why the team came out flat

685
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 6: like that and ultimately nearly came back and pulled it off.

686
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Speaker 6: But you can't put yourself on that kind of a hole.

687
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Speaker 6: I think if Purdue comes out and plays hard and

688
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 6: improves on the things that it didn't do well in

689
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Speaker 6: some of these losses, three point defense, rebounding, I think.

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Speaker 3: Pretty will be fine.

691
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Speaker 6: But this is a monumental game for the legacies of

692
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Speaker 6: some of these guys who have played Indiana for four

693
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Speaker 6: years and have come up on the wrong end of

694
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Speaker 6: it more than they haven't.

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Speaker 1: What specifically for Purdue if you were to look sam

696
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Speaker 1: in your opinion, your observation, what you've heard in talking

697
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Speaker 1: to Matt Painter, what you've seen in practice, What is

698
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Speaker 1: the area for Purdue that has been their deficiency that

699
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Speaker 1: has prohibited them from being the team that, as we

700
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Speaker 1: thought it would be one that had a lock on

701
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Speaker 1: a number one seed throughout the totality of season. What

702
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Speaker 1: has misfired?

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Speaker 6: I think the number one thing. And this is not

704
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Speaker 6: something that Painters said specifically, but if you watch them,

705
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Speaker 6: you kind of see the common trends as three point defense.

706
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Speaker 6: The five losses produce had teams are shooting forty six

707
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Speaker 6: percent from three. Michigan had open shots the other night,

708
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Speaker 6: and you know you're not going to miss him when

709
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Speaker 6: you're that open, and you can just stand on the spot,

710
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Speaker 6: catch the ball, spot up and shoot. The games that

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Speaker 6: produced won, or I guess the season as a whole,

712
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Speaker 6: produce held opponents to like thirty three percent from beyond

713
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Speaker 6: the arc, which you'd still like that to be lower,

714
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Speaker 6: but it's significantly higher. And Indiana didn't shoot great that

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Speaker 6: first time that these two teams played, But that has

716
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Speaker 6: been kind of the common theme and the losses and

717
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Speaker 6: then from there, you know, I think produced fine. The

718
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Speaker 6: team is still an offensive juggernaut, but the defense was

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Speaker 6: the question going into the year, and I think as

720
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Speaker 6: we get nowt to the the stretch at the end

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Speaker 6: of the season here, that remains, you know, kind of

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Speaker 6: a common things that's questioned.

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Speaker 1: Sam King is my guest. We're talking about Purdue in

724
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Speaker 1: Indiana tonight. Is there any sort of a chemistry issue

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Speaker 1: with Purdue or has there been?

726
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Speaker 3: There?

727
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Speaker 6: Certainly has when players were openly talking about how the

728
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Speaker 6: communication wasn't there, namely on the defensive end, and I

729
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Speaker 6: think pretty much shored that up quite a bit. The

730
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Speaker 6: defense has gotten better. Michigan makes a lot of teams

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Speaker 6: look bad. I kind of tossed that game out and

732
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Speaker 6: in terms of saying like Predu has some issues, but

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Speaker 6: you did see it in that Indiana game, for example,

734
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Speaker 6: there was not the connectiveness on the defensive end. They

735
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Speaker 6: lost guys, you know, call a time out and say

736
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Speaker 6: this guy can't get open. Connorin writes wide open coming

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Speaker 6: out of the timeouts, and painters like we just talked

738
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Speaker 6: about this.

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Speaker 3: How does this happen?

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Speaker 6: But you know, I think that overall the team chemistry

741
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 6: is very good, but there's definitely been lapses in some

742
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Speaker 6: games where the the communication on the court wasn't there.

743
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Speaker 1: But these guys have played together for a long time.

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Speaker 1: They know each other well. So where does that I

745
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Speaker 1: guess that breakdown of communication, you know, from, what does

746
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Speaker 1: that stem?

747
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Speaker 6: It's tough to say, and you know they've played together

748
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Speaker 6: for a long time. But Trey Kaufman Ren has played

749
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Speaker 6: multiple roles over the course of three years. Lawyers played

750
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Speaker 6: both the two and the three. Briden Smith played kind

751
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Speaker 6: of out of position, I want to say out of position.

752
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Speaker 6: But Purdue has more depth than it's had in the past,

753
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Speaker 6: which allows him to not be the point guard. He

754
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Speaker 6: can play, you know, he's not guarding the point guard

755
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Speaker 6: on the other team for example, sometimes and produce just

756
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 6: rotating a lot they're they're living in help at times,

757
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Speaker 6: which you can't do and be a good defensive team.

758
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Speaker 6: And when you do that and you're shouting, especially in

759
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Speaker 6: road environments and it's loud, sometimes you just don't hear things.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 6: And I think that produce has got its basic defensive

762
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Speaker 6: principles that it sticks to, but when things break down,

763
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Speaker 6: that's where the communication kind of goes haywire. And you know,

764
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Speaker 6: we've seen teams capitalized. We saw Keaton Wagler score forty

765
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Speaker 6: six points because of it. We've seen you know, UCLA

766
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Speaker 6: make a comeback. Obviously, Michigan just kind of took advantage

767
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Speaker 6: of Purdue and being late in rotations and things like

768
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Speaker 6: that the other night. So I don't know. I think

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Speaker 6: it's a thing that if Purduy wants to make a

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Speaker 6: deep run, it has to be better talking and getting

771
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Speaker 6: out on players on the perimeter.

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Speaker 1: You know, Sam, when you look at and it is

773
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Speaker 1: a credit to produce sustained high level that we're nitpicking

774
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Speaker 1: stuff about a team that is still going to be

775
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Speaker 1: what would you say, is the unless the bottom totally

776
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Speaker 1: falls out, Purdue is probably at worst, what would you say,

777
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Speaker 1: a three seed?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's laughable to me. And I said

779
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Speaker 6: this to Braden Smith after the game at Nebraska. I said,

780
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Speaker 6: at the time, I think pretty was nineteen and four

781
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Speaker 6: or twenty and four, so that's a pretty good team.

782
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Speaker 6: And he's like, yeah, it's pretty good. But I think

783
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 6: the expectations were just placed so high by players within

784
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Speaker 6: the program, by fans that if this team didn't win

785
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Speaker 6: a national championship, it was a failure. And that's that's

786
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Speaker 6: unreasonable to put on any team. I don't care if

787
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Speaker 6: you are the best team in the country, because it's

788
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Speaker 6: such a random tournament to win a championship in that

789
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Speaker 6: you know, just a few people seem to think, oh,

790
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 6: you know, this team isn't what we thought. Being twenty

791
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Speaker 6: one and five is nothing to say, Man, this team

792
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 6: isn't any good. I think this team is fine. You're

793
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 6: going to see a team that kind of refocuses now

794
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 6: it isn't going to win the Big Ten. But I

795
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Speaker 6: think the goal all along for this team was really

796
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Speaker 6: what cannot win six games in the NCAA tournament and

797
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Speaker 6: that will kind of determine the legacy of these guys.

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Speaker 6: And just like last year, people were doubting Purdue going

799
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Speaker 6: into the NCAA tournament and pretty played its best ball

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Speaker 6: come that time of the year.

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Speaker 1: What is the I guess the the mark that Purdue

802
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Speaker 1: needs to hit for this year to not be considered,

803
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Speaker 1: you know, a total failure. They need to get how

804
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: far into the tournament?

805
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Speaker 6: And I think you've got to get to the second

806
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Speaker 6: weekend first of all, because you're going to be, like

807
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Speaker 6: you said, the lowest is a three seed. Most likely

808
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Speaker 6: that should get you as a favorite to the sweet sixteen.

809
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Speaker 6: And then you know a lot of times when you

810
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Speaker 6: get there, you're playing good teams from then on out,

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Speaker 6: and it's kind of a crapshoot. But I believe because

812
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Speaker 6: of what Purdue did two years ago, that raised the

813
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Speaker 6: bar a little bit to where even getting to a

814
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Speaker 6: Final four, which would be an accomplishment. I think that

815
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Speaker 6: would be something that over time a lot of fans

816
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Speaker 6: would appreciate. Fans are hungry, and part of that is

817
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Speaker 6: because the IU football success and just you know, I

818
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Speaker 6: don't know if it's jealousy or what, but Purdue fans

819
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Speaker 6: are desperate for a national championship. But I think, you know,

820
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Speaker 6: getting to an Elite eight that's a solid season. I

821
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Speaker 6: don't think that Purdue fans or players would be happy

822
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Speaker 6: with that, But personally, I think that would be a

823
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Speaker 6: great year. But I think it's kind of in fans eye.

824
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Speaker 6: You know, at least getting to a Final four would

825
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Speaker 6: would be what would suffice.

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Speaker 1: You know, the And again, Sam and I apologize to

827
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Speaker 1: Purdue fans to an extent of this because it sounds

828
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Speaker 1: like we're sitting here this powow of what in the

829
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Speaker 1: world is wrong with Purdue And to the point, I mean,

830
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Speaker 1: this is an elite level team. I just think that,

831
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Speaker 1: And part of it may be this when you look

832
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Speaker 1: at you know, Purdue is a veteran team. They're an

833
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: experienced team. They know what the heck they're doing. But

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Speaker 1: one of the areas that Michigan improved itself, one of

835
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Speaker 1: the areas that Illinois improved itself, and one of the

836
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Speaker 1: areas truthfully that Indiana probably improved itself is they got older,

837
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Speaker 1: they got more mature, and they got players that, yes,

838
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Speaker 1: they may not have been playing together in ann Arbor

839
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Speaker 1: and in Champagne or in Bloomington, respectively, but they're guys

840
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Speaker 1: that have played a ton of college games and so

841
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Speaker 1: therefore not only that, but produce played a ton of

842
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: college games together and the tape is kind of out

843
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: there for coaches to scrutinize on them, and so therefore

844
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Speaker 1: the gap was closed or even surpassed. Does that make sense.

845
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Speaker 6: I've actually never thought of it that way. That's somewhat

846
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 6: a good point because, like you said, Prdue doesn't take

847
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 6: a lot of transfers. Oscar Cluff is a transfer in

848
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 6: the starting lineup, but other than that, Liam Murphy transferred in,

849
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 6: but he's barely playing. Jack benter A was redshirted last

850
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 6: year and he's in the rotation. But yeah, the rest

851
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 6: of it, there's tape on these guys and tape on

852
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 6: these guys playing a lot of minutes together. So you know,

853
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Speaker 6: that's that's kind of an excellent point. Thanks for bringing

854
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 6: that to my attention. That might be something that I

855
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Speaker 6: use as a question for Matt Painter moving forward. But again,

856
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 6: like Purdue looks offensively excellent in the second half, specifically

857
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 6: against Michigan. I think the team offensively.

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Speaker 3: Like they're fine.

859
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Speaker 6: It's just going to come down to can you keep

860
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 6: a team from outscoring you? Because Perdue is going to

861
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 6: be a team that plays in the eighties most nights

862
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 6: with its offensive efficiency.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Eddie, do you happen to have the

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Speaker 1: breaking news sounder?

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Speaker 5: This just dan?

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Speaker 1: Sam King of the Lafayette Journal and Courier says that

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Speaker 1: I made a good point first time. I've been doing

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Speaker 1: the show for what three years? Eddie? Is that right?

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Speaker 1: Two and a halfpened first good point I've ever made, Sam, So,

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Speaker 1: and I'm being serious. I appreciate that. I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: pointing illuminating that because I don't make very many of them.

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Speaker 5: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know BLD squire finds an every once in

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Speaker 6: a while, whatever they say, So.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly correct. That's exactly correct. Okay, Sam, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to ask you the same question I asked Zach Osterman

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Speaker 1: from the Indianapoli. Start from the IU side of things.

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Speaker 1: That is tonight's game. You are going to be looking

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Speaker 1: for what early in this game or there's going to

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Speaker 1: be what would happen? That is going to be the

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Speaker 1: thing that you say, That's what I was looking for,

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Speaker 1: and that's going to tell me how this game is

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Speaker 1: going to go. That will be what early.

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Speaker 6: Uh, Perdy's got to keep Indiana from getting hot from

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Speaker 6: three and obviously that is easier said than done. We

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Speaker 6: seen the usure to do it quite a bit this year,

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Speaker 6: but we see what happens when the team is not

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Speaker 6: hitting shots from the outside. Also, so I think if

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Speaker 6: Purdue can get out to a big lead, get this

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Speaker 6: crowd into it, you might be able to take Indiana

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Speaker 6: right out of the game. But if Indiana comes out

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Speaker 6: and you know, hits a few early and gets some

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Speaker 6: momentum and quiets that crowd, that can make this down

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Speaker 6: to the wire game again.

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Speaker 1: Eight o'clock tonight, Mack you Arena. Sam. Appreciate the time

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Speaker 1: as always, Man.

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Speaker 6: Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it.