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Speaker 2: They barely didn't make as much money as they have

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Speaker 1: So Hannah News Service has the report and yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean so okay. So let's let's set up before we

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Speaker 1: give the details. You can give the details, Casey, but

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Speaker 1: let me explain how the lottery in the state of

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Speaker 1: Indiana works for for people who may not be aware.

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Speaker 1: The lottery is what we call da da da da

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Speaker 1: quasi government entity. That means it's basically it's run by

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Speaker 1: an outside firm, so the state has ultimate control over it.

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Speaker 1: The state does not run the actual lottery. They hire

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Speaker 1: a private firm to run and administer the lottery, and

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Speaker 1: then the state gets money back and then the company

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Speaker 1: a target they have to hit, and anything above that

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Speaker 1: the I believe it was the communications position with the lottery. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was trying desperately to get the hell out of

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, No, not so much.

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Speaker 1: Sat down and looked right at them, and uh said,

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Speaker 2: The interview went downhill from there, you know.

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Speaker 1: In the comedies where there's just crickets chirping in the

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Speaker 2: Do you not think you were a serious canidate? In fairness?

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Speaker 1: And they didn't think I was a serious candidate want

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Speaker 2: Do you remember any other questions they asked you in

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Speaker 1: I made some comment to him about like they were

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Speaker 1: and it was just like, no, remember in.

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Speaker 2: Them, they're responsible for millions of dollars.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen.

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Speaker 2: Okay, last us here and we'll get to that.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen the movie Missus Doubtfire?

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Speaker 1: Remember when? So like again, I'm sure most people know,

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Speaker 1: very famous movie. Robin Williams plays this unemployed actor who

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Speaker 1: But that was me. All the way out the door.

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Speaker 2: So I'm just so curious what else they asked you.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's like I was having a conversation like I

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Speaker 2: That seems like a lot less fun. Well, the Who's

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Speaker 2: Your Lottery has returned three hundred and forty one point

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Speaker 2: Three hundred and forty one point three million dollars back

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Speaker 1: No, no drops by forty forty nine point seven million.

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Speaker 2: Sales were down over one hundred and eighty three million dollars. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So the question is why, And I'm sure that people

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you get out of that get three hours, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an interesting question, And of course there were

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Speaker 1: The government's looking at you and going, I want more

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Speaker 2: Well? It's interesting because they say in this article than

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Speaker 1: Well, and so that's why I wonder. I mean, you

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Speaker 2: So the grand prize for the power Ball has surged.

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Speaker 2: It's still going. It's an estimated one point three billion

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Speaker 1: Whoa, that's what i'd win.

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Speaker 2: Well, the jack the cash value, yeah, is five eighty nine.

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Speaker 1: So the payout over time is what though? One point

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Speaker 1: Well I'm saying, like, if you said I want the

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Speaker 1: not like if you die you would lose the opportunity

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Speaker 1: thirty years thirty years, So what is that? That's thirty,

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Speaker 1: that's thirty forty that's forty million a year. If you

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Speaker 1: why wouldn't you just take forty million dollars a year?

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Speaker 1: I mean, how are you going to spend forty million

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Speaker 1: guess there's also a theory, Well, the lottery could go

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Speaker 1: what about thirteen years and you've you hit your number?

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Speaker 1: Surely the lottery will still be here in thirteen years.

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Speaker 2: You can leave your winnings to an air, Okay, you

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Speaker 2: receive the money, it's your asset. Yeah, you can leave

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Speaker 2: it to anyone through your will, trust or your estate plan.

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Speaker 1: You can go.

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Speaker 2: When you die, the unspent funds go to airs, just

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Speaker 2: like any other part of your estate. Okay, standard estate

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so okay, so if you're let's just say you're.

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Speaker 2: If you die before all thirty payments are made, the

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Speaker 1: Yes, thank you very much. Okay. So at forty million

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Speaker 1: getting twenty four million dollars in your pocket every single year.

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Speaker 2: See that's the thing. I wouldn't be overly interested in

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Speaker 1: See twenty four million to be perfect for me. Because

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Speaker 1: I would buy this radio station, would you oh totally yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be Does that make me a horrible person?

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Speaker 2: At least you're being honest. It is Kendall and Casey.

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Speaker 1: someday become a victim of artificial intelligence. Your position, your education,

441
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Speaker 1: no matter how great it might be, unless it's the

442
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Speaker 1: very tippy top, people are simply not going to outlast

443
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Speaker 1: artificial intelligence.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to Kennelly Casey. It is ninety three, WIBC.

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Speaker 1: Did the horrible recover of this Crimson and Clover it's

446
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Speaker 1: a Jone chet.

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00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 2: Yes, and the Black Hearts? That's right, don't ever ever?

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00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, you did.

449
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 2: Didn't you forget the Black Heart?

450
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: Did? Do you want to have? I know you've told

451
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: that story before. That's great. You want to know what

452
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of a holes these entertainers are tell that story?

453
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Speaker 2: Well, I was introducing Joe Jet on stage, I believe

454
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 2: it was in South Bend, and I said, you know

455
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 2: all had everybody big round of loots. This make some noise.

456
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Speaker 2: Jone Jet, and she walked out and she said to me,

457
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Speaker 2: you forgot the Black Hearts And I said whoops, and

458
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Speaker 2: she said, get out there and do it done, so

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Speaker 2: I did, so I went back on. I said, all right,

460
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Speaker 2: here we go Joe Jet and the black carts.

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Speaker 1: So think about this. She could have like common decency

462
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Speaker 1: would be like, hey, the DJ's out there trying, she's

463
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Speaker 1: getting people pumped up. She said my name correctly, obviously

464
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Speaker 1: I got this band, and then you just walk out

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Speaker 1: there and go hey, she tried really hard. Thanks for Hey, Casey,

466
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Speaker 1: thanks to the great intro, and how about these black carts?

467
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Speaker 1: Like but no, she had to like just berate.

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Speaker 2: You to make herself fie good. And she was sticking

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Speaker 2: up for her band.

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Speaker 3: No, she was.

471
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Speaker 1: Being a horrible, rotten human.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'll take the airror. It was my bad.

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Speaker 1: I should No, don't ever, that is just that is gross.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I love that story because it is such

475
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Speaker 1: an insight into how horrible so many of these entertainers are. Like, lady,

476
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Speaker 1: you're playing. It wasn't Notre Dame Stadium, was it.

477
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Speaker 2: No? It was at the ballpark. Yeah, And it was

478
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Speaker 2: like one of many I think lover boys that's what

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Speaker 2: I well.

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Speaker 1: You're I mean she was. I think she Wasn't she

481
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Speaker 1: the opening act for Billie Idol last week? I think

482
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Speaker 1: she was the open Okay, Like you had a few

483
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Speaker 1: hits forty plus years ago, right, good on you, congratulations

484
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Speaker 1: and congratulations for your success. But you're almost always the

485
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Speaker 1: opening act for someone else, or you're part of some

486
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Speaker 1: festival of other we had hits forty years ago. Groups,

487
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Speaker 1: you don't get to big time anyone other than saying

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Speaker 1: thanks for the fabulous that are dug y.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she did big timy. But the thing was I

490
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Speaker 2: know that I was thinking because we work through promotions

491
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Speaker 2: companies that book the band, Like had I made his

492
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Speaker 2: artist mad, they would have not booked any bands and

493
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Speaker 2: involved the radio station in the future. I mean I was,

494
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Speaker 2: you know, I was carrying the corporate message that day. Rob.

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Speaker 1: Well, but it's a conversation about human decency, and I

496
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Speaker 1: think that's a bigger thing, like our whole It's like

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Speaker 1: it's our whole society, right, I mean that's where we're

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Speaker 1: at anymore. Where people we've laughed about this, people meet

499
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Speaker 1: me in person, like he's such a nice guy, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because as a human being, I was raised to be

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Speaker 1: a decent person. I was raised to, you know, treat

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Speaker 1: us with the respect. And if somebody's gonna come up

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Speaker 1: and say, you know, the emails, when our respond to people,

504
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: you know, all those sorts of things. Now, people won't

505
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: get lippy with me. I'll get lippy back with them.

506
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Speaker 1: But the point is people who will email say hey,

507
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Speaker 1: love the show, thanks for or come up in person

508
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Speaker 1: or whatever. That's an honor.

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Speaker 2: So what would you do if you were in this

510
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Speaker 2: situation and somebody is introducing you on stage and they're like,

511
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Speaker 2: all right, everyone does make some noise. Here we go.

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Speaker 2: It's Kendall and I'm walking out there with you. Would

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Speaker 2: you be like, get out there and do it again.

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Speaker 2: You forgot Casey.

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Speaker 1: No, it would be like, hey, I'm Rob Kendall of

516
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Speaker 1: the Kendall and Casey Show, and let's not forget the

517
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Speaker 1: best half, the most important half of the Kendall and

518
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Speaker 1: Casey Show, Casey day.

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Speaker 2: It'll just done it yourself.

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Speaker 1: Yes, because unless somebody is doing something malicious. Right, but

521
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Speaker 1: everything's got to be a federal case now, right, except

522
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Speaker 1: with the government. People will tolerate anything from their government, right,

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Speaker 1: That's true. But the kid at the taco bell or

524
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Speaker 1: you on stage, or everybody's got to be offended by something.

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Speaker 2: Somebody told me something once that you could post something

526
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Speaker 2: on Twitter that was just completely non offensive, just like

527
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: a nice day, and somebody is going to take offense

528
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Speaker 2: to that and be like, don't tell me what to do. Wow,

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to say I have a nice day. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And that's you know, that's the thing that we come

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Speaker 1: back to a lot, which is and I'm not trying

532
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: to say obviously I use it, people shouldn't use social media.

533
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: I just think everybody feels so elevated and amplified because

534
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: platform you're in the same world as everybody else that

535
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: you like, you just think I can do whatever, and

536
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Speaker 1: it's just like, you know, outside of me hating my government,

537
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Speaker 1: and I can't begin to tell you how legitimate that is.

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Speaker 2: Ye.

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Speaker 1: I always just try to handle myself with people where

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Speaker 1: it's like, hey, I've been in that position. You know,

541
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Speaker 1: if somebody screws up your order at the restaurant, Hey

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Speaker 1: I work there. You know, you're like, unless somebody's not

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Speaker 1: trying or going out of their way to be just rotten,

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00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: despicable human being, then just give them a little grace.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you said that you wanted to talk about

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Speaker 2: some incompetence.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, government, how about this? They're well, so they're done.

548
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Speaker 1: This is a long standing thing in my for our listeners.

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Speaker 1: They built that giant road. The school system in Brownsburg

550
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Speaker 1: built that giant road in the backyards of my neighbors,

551
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Speaker 1: and of course just dumped dirt and dust and everything else.

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Speaker 1: And they tried to tear those houses down and spin

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Speaker 1: off a roundabout onto my street. And we're like, not today, buddy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And look I was mad because it doesn't really affect me.

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00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: I'm on the other side of the street. But for

556
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: all these people that were getting screwed, well, now they're

557
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Speaker 1: done with that and they're onto the next thing. Here's

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Speaker 1: the next thing they're doing outside of Brownsburg High School.

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Speaker 1: Are you ready for this? So about twenty years ago,

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Speaker 1: they built a track like a for track and field

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Speaker 1: directly to the east of the high school. The problem

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Speaker 1: was they build it going in the wrong direction so

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Speaker 1: that the sun is like always in people's eyes. So

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Speaker 1: think about this government spends I don't know, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what to track cost in In the mid two thousands,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it was over a million dollars. It had

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Speaker 1: to be all this money. And it's so ill conceived

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Speaker 1: that they build it in the wrong direction, which very

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Speaker 1: much dilutes their ability to have events at the thing

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Speaker 1: because you can't have people like running or jumping or

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Speaker 1: whatever into the setting sun.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so they're redoing it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it gets better, they're tearing it down. They I

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Speaker 1: think they did a land swap with the softball fields

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Speaker 1: that are right next door. They're gonna pay to move

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Speaker 1: the track to where the softball fields are, and they're

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Speaker 1: gonna put a parking lot where the track that was

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Speaker 1: built in the wrong direction is okay, Now, can you

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Speaker 1: think of a mistake in any company the magnitude of

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Speaker 1: millions of dollars that is that grossly incompetent, in which

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Speaker 1: everybody wouldn't have been run out and the people would

582
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Speaker 1: have been outraged.

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Speaker 2: Right, But they don't care because it's not their money.

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Speaker 1: And yes, and they have so much money. And again

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Speaker 1: we clarify this, Brownsburg's actually one of the good guys

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Speaker 1: in this very bad equation because at least they're not

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Speaker 1: referend to people. But this is gross that they're going

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Speaker 1: to spend all this money. They have so much money

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Speaker 1: that they can afford to move a track. It's not

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Speaker 1: like a football stadium, no offense. If you're on the

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Speaker 1: track team, I'm sure it's many wonderful people and they

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Speaker 1: probably try very hard, and that's great. You make zero.

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Speaker 1: You are a revenue sucker. If you're on the track.

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Speaker 2: Team, it's going to be a dirt tracker. Is it

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Speaker 2: going to be one of those oh tracks with the

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Speaker 2: little rubber Yes.

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Speaker 1: Yea, the finest whatever the thing is. But they'll tell

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Speaker 1: you that they're out of money, and there's they become

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00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: poor singing orphans because you got three hundred dollars back

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Speaker 1: on your property taxes. But they have so much money

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Speaker 1: that just for fun, so they can host some track meets.

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00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: I mean the track still worked, right, you practice there,

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00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: you could throw on it. Yeah, you could do all

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Speaker 1: the things.

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00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: Huh.

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Speaker 1: But because of their own incompetence, which will just ignore,

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00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: and they have so much money and they're just mad

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Speaker 1: they can't host events that they're going to pay all

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Speaker 1: this money to move the track right across the street.

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00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: But you getting that three hundred dollars, you're an a

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Speaker 1: hole and you.

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Speaker 2: Hating kids, Casey, well, did you see that there's some

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Speaker 2: people complaining mayors across Indiana confronting a crisis, the financial

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Speaker 2: crunch caused by the state's property tax reform. I saw

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Speaker 2: old reform and air quotes. By the way, I.

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Speaker 1: Sold, I saw our old pal Mayor. I have a

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Speaker 1: taxpayer funded hotel and palladium and reflexive pool, the Supingo

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Speaker 1: and Carmels. She was crying poverty. Yes, yeah, nothing so Carmel.

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Speaker 2: So now as the Beech Grove Common Council as well,

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00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: they're preparing their twenty six budget and they're they're facing

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Speaker 2: potential millions in losses.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the answer is just your poor planning and incompetence.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just a thought. And by the way, if

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Speaker 1: you got a taxpayer funded hotel.

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Speaker 2: A taxpair funded.

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00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: Hotel, you don't ever, I mean ever get to talk

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Speaker 1: about how somebody get getting three hundred dollars back might

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Speaker 1: negatively impact your community.

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Speaker 2: A duel's going to join us.

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Speaker 1: Next, we're talking about the maps. Yeah, the map or

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Speaker 1: the proposed map or the alleged proposal.

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Speaker 2: Shall I get my crans and come up with my

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Speaker 2: version of the map. It's Kendall and Casey it's ninety three.

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Speaker 3: Wy easy, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Gonna rid mesself hell in the shade of flee.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk some more about this wild and wacky map.

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Speaker 1: The whole thing's kind of wild and wacky. It is

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Speaker 1: the Kendle and Casey Show. I'm Rob Casey's here. Look

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Speaker 1: good is he's an author, he's a broadcaster, he's a provocateur,

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00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: owner operator of Indie Politics dot orga to will keep shabaz.

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Speaker 2: Hello, oh my friend, how's it going this morning?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm all right.

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Speaker 1: We talked with the merit about this earlier and throughout

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Speaker 1: the course of the program today. Fox fifty nine Hannah Adamson,

645
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: also CBS four, they're owned by the same group, tweeted

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Speaker 1: out this alleged map that is supposedly under consideration by

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Speaker 1: somebody to be the map that they will divide the

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Speaker 1: congressional districts up into, and humanity has absolutely lost their

649
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: mind over it. Now, there's no proof that this is

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Speaker 1: indeed the map there. They won't say who the map

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Speaker 1: came from. He won't even say how the map originated.

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Speaker 1: But it's interesting. Well, that's what we were talking about.

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Speaker 1: The state. How's happenings? Look it is interesting that a

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Speaker 1: like a it is something you would put in your

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Speaker 1: cheat sheet subscription publication, you know, which you describe as

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Speaker 1: what rumor, gods and political and new Indo. Yeah, where

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Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, this is something that's floating around out there.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't this be interesting? They're a TV station, they must

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Speaker 1: have got it from a pretty good sort of what

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Speaker 1: they feel is a pretty good source for them to

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Speaker 1: put it put it out, because if that map ends

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Speaker 1: up looking nothing like that, they're all gonna look pretty foolish.

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Speaker 1: So I'm very curious who they got it from and

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Speaker 1: why they decided to run with it, because it has

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Speaker 1: created a ton of conversation.

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Speaker 4: Well, when I when I look at the map, and

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Speaker 4: I kind of studied it intensely, and I kind of

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Speaker 4: looked at what they were doing with the first district,

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Speaker 4: which is Lake County, the seven district, which is in

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Speaker 4: Marin County. All I can think it was one of

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Speaker 4: those old rors shark tests where where you look at

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Speaker 4: you look at the image and what's the first thing

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Speaker 4: that comes to mind when you look at the image,

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Speaker 4: And the first thing you came to mind was lawsuit, lawsuit, lawsuit,

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Speaker 4: What do you right sack lawsuit, equal protection rights lawsuit.

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Speaker 4: All I can see it was a big gared or

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Speaker 4: shard test if that's a map that folks are going

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Speaker 4: to use for for litigation, because if if you look

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Speaker 4: at the way the maps are drawn, the first district

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Speaker 4: is basically almost so of gone and the seven district

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Speaker 4: is been carved up into three parts. And as our

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Speaker 4: good friend, you know, Jim Merritt said, when we they

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Speaker 4: said house happenings this week, he said, no, this is

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Speaker 4: to no neutralize no Lake County voters. And you know

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Speaker 4: Marion County Democrats like, no, gym, let's just call a

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Speaker 4: spade a space. Literally, it's it's basically it's diluting black

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Speaker 4: vote is what it is. What it is doing because

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Speaker 4: African Americans make up a significant portion of that Gary

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Speaker 4: area up in the first district. Also here in Indianapolis

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Speaker 4: Marion County. And you start taking around with that, you

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Speaker 4: got voting rights lawsuit written all over you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that obviously the big thing is that Marion

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Speaker 1: County under this map would be cut up into three

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Speaker 1: separate districts. And okay, so you get rid of Andre

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Speaker 1: Carson and I can't I think it was Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: was Merrit who said, this is state House happenings. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you might get rid of him from Congress maybe, but

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Speaker 1: get ready for Mayor Carson then, because he's not going

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Speaker 1: to go work at a Wendy's right. I mean, Andre

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Speaker 1: Carson is not going to just go away because you

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Speaker 1: jerrymandered him out of the United States States Congress and

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Speaker 1: I don't really want him to be the mayor of Indianapolis.

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Speaker 4: And here's something else think about too, is if you

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Speaker 4: divide Marrion kinda up into three congression districts, Mary Kunty is,

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Speaker 4: basically it's six hundred thousand voters per congressional district, give

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Speaker 4: or take. That means those other two hundred thousand votess

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Speaker 4: got to go somewhere, and they're not going to stop

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Speaker 4: being Democrats just because they're in a in a new district. Also,

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Speaker 4: by i'llge to this, by making by getting rid of

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Speaker 4: the seventh and making the first less democrat, less more Republican,

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Speaker 4: you make the other districts more democratic?

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Speaker 1: Well you do. Now, this is what's interesting because Niki

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Speaker 1: Kelly basically alluded to this last week our on Our

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Speaker 1: program from the Capitol Chronicle. She said, well, they'll probably

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Speaker 1: and she didn't say this verbatim, but she basically alluded to, well,

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Speaker 1: they'll just redraw these districts again in a couple of years.

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Speaker 1: And what you kind of started to realize is this

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Speaker 1: exercise and all the cost and pissing everybody off and

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Speaker 1: everything else is not about serving Indiana. It's about serving

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Yep. He doesn't want to deal with a

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Speaker 1: Democrat Congress his last two years in office, and so

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Speaker 1: they're going to do all this stuff basically two to

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Speaker 1: four years, and then they'll redraw him back once the

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Speaker 1: census and they'll probably end up going back to the

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Speaker 1: original maps, and that if that is the truth, then

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Speaker 1: that is just totally unacceptable on so many levels.

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Speaker 4: So think about this in a tie where Indiana. You know,

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Speaker 4: the financials are't okay, but there's not a whole lot

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Speaker 4: of extra money folding, right.

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Speaker 1: Why had to raise taxes by a billion dollars to

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Speaker 1: pay the bills you gotta got?

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Speaker 4: You're basically going to basically buy a million dollar lawsuit

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Speaker 4: because five hundred thousand dollars for the first litigation, another

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Speaker 4: five thousand off for the next litigation coming through. Uh,

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Speaker 4: you didn't call a special session for healthcare. Didn't call

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Speaker 4: a special session for your for your pet issue property tax,

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Speaker 4: that's right, didn't call a special session or anything for

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Speaker 4: for road funding. But you're gonna call a special session

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Speaker 4: to draw a.

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Speaker 1: Map, and they have they now cannot. They have no

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Speaker 1: other excuse because they ran out with this so fast

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Speaker 1: that it is just politics. Like Andrew Ireland basically admitted

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Speaker 1: that on our show last week, and kudos dam he's

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Speaker 1: the most honest right where this is totally political. We're

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Speaker 1: getting and brawn kind said to say thing on Hammer

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Speaker 1: and Nigel that this is he's mad about Massachusetts, which

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Speaker 1: is very weird. But my point is, are we really

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Speaker 1: doing all this so that we can have two more

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Speaker 1: Jefferson Shreeves in the Congress? Like what is having two more?

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Speaker 1: Because you're not gonna get you know, strong conservatives in

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Speaker 1: the If you're a factor in Marion County into a

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Speaker 1: lot of this, you're probably not gonna get a strong conservative.

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Speaker 1: You're also probably not gonna get a strong conservative up

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Speaker 1: in that first because you still got Lake County in

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Speaker 1: the district, which means there's a chance it would go

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Speaker 1: Democrat even if you redrew the map. So are we

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Speaker 1: really And by the way, I'm excited about two more

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Speaker 1: Jefferson Shreeves.

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Speaker 4: And I also i'd argue two is you put you know,

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Speaker 4: Jim Bairt is his history is now more democratic. No,

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Speaker 4: the eighth district, whoever's that has becomes more democratic and

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Speaker 4: the statuts becomes more Democrat the fifth like you're you're

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Speaker 4: not really, you're changing the map, but not really changing

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Speaker 4: the dynamics of the situation. And by the way, also too,

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Speaker 4: you really any Republicans you had in Marion County or

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Speaker 4: hamil together are probably pretty much going to be gone. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: guess folks are gonna come out and droves. So why

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Speaker 4: why why are you look at a bigger picture of

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Speaker 4: the Congression maps here? I'll think you're forgetting like the

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Speaker 4: state maps and State center maps, and you know, and

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Speaker 4: mayor's races in the whole and county races in the

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Speaker 4: whole nine yards because there's that there's a purple section

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Speaker 4: north of eighty sixth Street, No. Two sixty seven Route

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Speaker 4: nine that's kind of sort of changed. Anyway, you want

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Speaker 4: to accelerate that change, that's what you do. Yeah, And

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Speaker 4: that's okay. Two points one, that's exactly what happened under Obama.

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Speaker 4: Or remember Obama won twice, but they lost all those

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Speaker 4: state house, state senate may across the country under under

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Speaker 4: governor's offices. Under Obama, it's like, oh, congratulations, you did well.

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Speaker 4: Everybody else got smoked. So that's what the public thought

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Speaker 4: of you. Right, you take the personality out of the equation.

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Speaker 4: You can't win on the policies. But so so there is,

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Speaker 4: you know, a track record on this.

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Speaker 1: But you're right. The party is afraid of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: The Republican Party is afraid of Donald Trump. The base

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Speaker 1: of the party's afraid of Trump. The public at large

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Speaker 1: and polling bears this out. It's not in love with

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. They're not. They're not gonna look at you

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Speaker 1: doing this and go, oh right, you're helping Trump. Let

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Speaker 1: me rush right out and vote for you. And you're

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Speaker 1: absolutely right on what could be the longer term could

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Speaker 1: be the longer term ramific.

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Speaker 4: And here's the other part of this too, which I

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Speaker 4: don't understand, what with my Republican friends, I gotta do some

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Speaker 4: checking on this this week, is what are you actually

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Speaker 4: afraid of? Okay, let's say you don't vote for redistricting. Okay,

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Speaker 4: so don't run somebody against you. What are they gonna

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Speaker 4: run on?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: And how he's gonna get somebody in a couple of months,

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Speaker 1: which is all the time he's gonna have, and he's

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Speaker 1: gonna do this all over the country for anybody. He's

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Speaker 1: just gonna be finding thousands of candidates or hundreds of

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Speaker 1: candidates to run. This is the point I made about

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Speaker 1: guys like Craig Haggard, little gutlass backstabbers like Craig Haggard

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Speaker 1: who came on our show and said the maps are fine,

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Speaker 1: and then Charlie Kirk threatened him and he just totally

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Speaker 1: cowered under the under the desk, and and and crawled

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Speaker 1: in a fetal position. I said, you think Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 1: is gonna spend his days recruiting some somebody to run

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Speaker 1: against you in Mooresville? Like, that's what you think Charlie

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Speaker 1: Kirk is gonna These people don't understand media, they don't

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Speaker 1: understan how it works. And you're right, if they would

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Speaker 1: just use common sense, they would say this is dumb

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Speaker 1: or done.

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Speaker 4: Because here's the other flip side too. Let's say you

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Speaker 4: do draw the maps or don't draw the mapps. Let's

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Speaker 4: say you get Let's say you get a challenger like, hey,

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Speaker 4: I don't like this, I'm gonna run against you.

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Speaker 1: It will exactly hey if you do, if you don't,

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Speaker 1: abduel is with us just a couple of minutes left here.

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Speaker 1: So you actually had an interesting piece that you asked

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Speaker 1: artificial intelligence to help you play this out. If they

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Speaker 1: pass these maps, what would happen and what did the

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Speaker 1: computer tell you was going to go down? It was

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Speaker 1: like those storybooks, No go here, yeah, yeah, choose your

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Speaker 1: own adventure. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I was like, okay, let's like, let's see what it

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Speaker 4: also would look like. Let's just do the voting rights lawsuit.

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Speaker 4: So a time of voting rights lawsuit out Like, okay,

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Speaker 4: that's interesting. Now what would the defense say, which would

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Speaker 4: be the State of Indiana Todd raketa, god forbid if there,

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Speaker 4: if you're still there? So that okay. So we have

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Speaker 4: the plain and if we have the defendant. I think

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Speaker 4: the courts would say and the course would basically say,

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Speaker 4: the state loses. Yeah, there's an injunction.

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Speaker 1: I think under the current court rulings that, especially the

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Speaker 1: Marion County stuff, would be very difficult to pass, but

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Speaker 1: there is a I think it's Louisy and has a

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Speaker 1: case in front of the Supreme Court which may just

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Speaker 1: gut the Voting Rights Act. If they do that, then

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Speaker 1: I think all bets are off. I think I can

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Speaker 1: do about whatever you want, but I think right now, yeah,

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Speaker 1: until that gets decided, you might have a point on that,

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Speaker 1: all right. Thank you as always a dual find him

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Speaker 1: at indiepolitics dot org. Get yourself a cheat sheet subscription.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for us today. Thank you to Kevin,

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Speaker 1: thanks to Casey, and most importantly, thank you to you.

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