1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: Stephen Holder joins us now, and I'm sure thrilled to 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: be doing so as the Colts get set tonight to 3 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: take on the Baltimore Ravens preseason game number one. 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 2: Of course, you see Steven on ESPN. You can read 5 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 2: his work there as well. 6 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: Uh, Steven, I was just asking that question of so, 7 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: if the nickel is just the fifth corner, right, isn't 8 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: that what the nickel is? 9 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 3: I mean, essentially, yes, it's five. It means five defensive backs, 10 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 3: so you're the fifth. 11 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, So then a dime package is six defensive backs, right? 12 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 3: That is correct? 13 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: So so, in other words, because you're adding two, right, 14 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: that's why it's called a dime right, because you're adding 15 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: two and five and five is ten? 16 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 2: Is that right? I don't want that to be right, 17 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 2: because that makes too much sense. 18 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 3: I've never thought about this. You'll be shocked to learn 19 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 3: that you are confronting me with something that I had 20 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 3: not thought about. But I'm now kind of curious. I'm 21 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 3: not gonna lie to you. 22 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: What the time, what percent of the time that you 23 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: and I talk, whether it be on the radio or 24 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: at a pacer game, do you say to yourself, you know, 25 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: that's actually he just mentioned something I've never thought about before. 26 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 2: A high percentage. 27 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 3: Correct, it happens a time or two. Yeah, it definitely does. 28 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 3: It's not uncommon. Let's put it that way. 29 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 2: Okay. Also, I'll tell you what is uncommon. 30 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 3: Yes, I mean. 31 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: It's that, or I just have like you know, massive 32 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: like some sort of add But I'll tell you what 33 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: is uncommon. What is uncommon is oftentimes for a team 34 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: in preseason game number one to show a lot and 35 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: give you indication as to what they may look like 36 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: schematically speaking in the regular season. Is that going to 37 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,559 Speaker 1: be true to formed tonight? And if you look at 38 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: based on the practice itself, is one of the two 39 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: teams between the Colts or the Ravens more likely than 40 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: the other to maybe open the playbook up a little 41 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: bit more than. 42 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: The other one? 43 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think. I think if if there is one 44 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 3: team likely to do it, it's the Pulse because of 45 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 3: the situation they're in. They're trying to evaluate the quarterbacks. 46 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 3: You know, you got to give him something to work 47 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 3: with at the same time. Shane Stike, and if I 48 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 3: know him like I think I do, he is a 49 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 3: stickler for not showing a lot and wanting to surprise 50 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 3: his opponents. You see even how he handles, for example, injuries, right, 51 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 3: he is he is notoriously mysterious about that. He's very 52 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 3: honest about why he doesn't want his opponents to know anything. 53 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 3: So so I find it unlikely that that guy's going 54 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 3: to show a ton in this game. But we'll see 55 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 3: how it goes. And they won't play everybody on offense. 56 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 3: Even though Anthony Richardson's gonna play, Michael Pittman's not going 57 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 3: to play in this game. 58 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: You may have even. 59 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 3: Some offensive linemen. You know, I don't know that Quinton 60 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 3: Nelson's gonna play. For example, he may play a series, 61 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,119 Speaker 3: but he might not be out there the whole time 62 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 3: with Anthony Richardson, just as an example. 63 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: Does Okay Steven, here's a question that I brought up earlier, 64 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: and it's one of those that I just kind of 65 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: spontaneously thought of, and then I thought, well, I'm probably 66 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: a moron for asking this, and then I thought, maybe 67 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: I'm not as big a moron as I think Okay does. 68 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: For example, the center position, I think for certain that's Bordelini, 69 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: but Pincher's gotten a little bit of rep there the 70 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: line seemingly is almost set for the most part for 71 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: the Colts, but does in particular the center position is 72 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form that situation. 73 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 2: Linked to the quarterback spot. 74 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: In other words, if it's Anthony Richardson that you think 75 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: is going to be your starter, do you go with 76 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: a center that has a flexibility or a range of 77 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: motion or whatever it may be that is more based 78 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: on what Richardson can improvise versus another at that spot. 79 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: And then feel free to tell me if in fact 80 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: that's the dumbest thing you've ever heard. 81 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 3: Okay, well, no, that won't be the case. They won't 82 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 3: make any there won't be any considerations like that. And 83 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, the continuity with the 84 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 3: five men on the offensive line that matters more than 85 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 3: any of that other stuff. Whether whether that's the case 86 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: or not, it's trumps all of that, right. You want 87 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 3: the continuity, particularly a position like center, because you know 88 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 3: he can get used to the quarterbacks, both quarterbacks, you 89 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 3: know their cadences, the way they operate, et cetera. You 90 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 3: want to have continuity at that position just about as 91 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 3: much as anywhere else. 92 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 2: I think. 93 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 3: So, no, no, there won't be any consideration. 94 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: Like that, is there a battle to look for tonight? 95 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: Or let me rephrase that, is there somebody tonight? Stephen Holder, 96 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: our guest ESPN dot com. 97 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: We are at the. 98 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: Legends in Franklin for the Fan Invitational Golf outing. Stephen 99 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: as the Colts take to the field tonight against the 100 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: Ravens in preseason game number one. Give me a player 101 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: that this outing is big for them than you would 102 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,799 Speaker 1: have guessed when everyone reported to camp. 103 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 4: M Uh. 104 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 2: You know. 105 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 3: Actually a guy that I've really taken a liking to 106 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 3: its Hunter Wohler, the seventh round picks from Wisconsin. You know, listen, 107 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 3: I've covered a lot of a lot of seventh round 108 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: picks in my time. I say they got about a 109 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 3: one and two chance of even making the roster. Okay, 110 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 3: this guy, though, every day he makes another play to 111 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 3: the point where the coaches are like, well, screw it, 112 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 3: maybe this guy should be on the field. So can 113 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 3: he take it from practice to the actual game. And 114 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 3: if you can do that, then then you're really cook 115 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 3: him with gas with that kid, and then you can 116 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: see how much more you can give him. Look, I 117 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 3: don't think he's gonna start or anything, but there's gonna 118 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 3: be a role for him potentially in this defense. You know, 119 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 3: we talked about the dime defense earlier in this interview, 120 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 3: and they will use some of that. They will use 121 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 3: different packages on defense. You know, well call him sub packages. 122 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 3: You have your base defense against your nickel defense and 123 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 3: all the other sub packages. He could be in one 124 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 3: of those where they just go heavy on the dbs. 125 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 3: And that's why this kind of deemphasized the linebackers. They've 126 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 3: also had him playing a little bit of a linebacker 127 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 3: role as well. So he's versatile, he's instinctive. He's a 128 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 3: football junkie. You know, he's your cliche guy, you know, 129 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 3: sort of a Wisconsin cliche guy. But that's listen, that's 130 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: what you want out of your late round picks. 131 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 2: Steven. How many running backs with the Colts carry So. 132 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 3: I think the maximums four is what I think, and 133 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 3: if it is, for that fourth guy needs to be 134 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 3: a real special team's standout. So we'll see how those 135 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 3: roles develop. But but I think I think forrest tops 136 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 3: you're really going to use three, I think at maximum. 137 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 2: And they've already had attrition in that position. 138 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: So if you looked at it, if they go with 139 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,679 Speaker 1: who is what's the dividing line between three and four? 140 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 2: And how close is it? 141 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 3: Well, I mean I think right now, I feel like 142 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 3: one and two we kind of know. I mean, number 143 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 3: one you might have heard of Johnathan Taylor, and certainly 144 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 3: they've gotten a really good they've gotten a really good 145 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 3: running back. Sorry, yes, that's correct. Yes, and and that's 146 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 3: been a good one two punch. Number three, I guess 147 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,679 Speaker 3: is a little more I mean a little more fluid. 148 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 3: But I think the dividing line is going to be, 149 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 3: you know, who is the guy who, if if he 150 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: has to, if he has to fill in, can perform 151 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 3: all the different roles. So you're probably looking more for 152 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: for versatility in terms of role for your number three guy. 153 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 3: Like I said, number four is probably more special teams. 154 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 3: Number three needs to be the guy who, if somebody 155 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 3: goes down, gets the hamstring, et cetera, you can come 156 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 3: in and you can perform any role you can play, first, second, third, down, 157 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: And so that has to play out a little more. 158 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 3: Think the the preseason will give us a good indication 159 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 3: of that. 160 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: However, and Giddins is for those that have not seen him, 161 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: and I'm going a little bit Steven Steven Holder, our 162 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: guest with DJ Giddens. I'm going a little bit off 163 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: of the narrative about him coming out of college. But 164 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: you say one two combo with Jonathan Taylor. He seems 165 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: to me to be a guy that can bounce outside 166 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: and do Jonathan Taylor things. But is a more between 167 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: the tackles durability back? Is that a fair way of 168 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: assessing his skill set? 169 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 3: So I I do think I do think that's somewhat true. 170 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 3: But when you say between the tackles, the only the 171 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 3: only thing I would quibble with is that he's not 172 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 3: this sort of you know, uh, you know, big bruising, 173 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 3: physical runner. He's he's gonna be He's gonna make his 174 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 3: cut and go. He's got a really good ability to 175 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 3: change direction. He doesn't He's not gonna have the same 176 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 3: explosion as Jonathan Taylor. When Taylor puts his foot in 177 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 3: the ground, you know, to use a coach's you know cliche, 178 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 3: he explodes out of the touch. These Giddons didn't quite that. 179 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 3: But he does have explosiveness and and I think his 180 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 3: top end speed is really impressive. So the other thing 181 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 3: about him is I really think he has a great 182 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 3: opportunity to be a third down back. He's shown really 183 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 3: good hands in training camp, and I'll be honest, we 184 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 3: had this Jonathan Taylor's greatest weakness. He doesn't have reliable hands, 185 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 3: and as a pass protector, I can't I still can't 186 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 3: understand why Jonathan Taylor hasn't gotten better at that over 187 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: the years. He's too good of an athlete. But it's 188 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 3: the one point of frustration I would say about Jonathan 189 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 3: Taylor is like, Buddy, go block that landbacker. 190 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: Well, Steve, you know what's interesting? 191 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: And I realized for Jonathan Taylor, he's not overly concerned 192 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: with the history of the indian you know what. But 193 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: that said, Indianapolis is and I think this fan base 194 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: in this franchise has been spoiled by having traditionally very 195 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: good blocking backs. Right, some of the best backs that 196 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 1: have come through here, now I ain't you know, I'm 197 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: not talking to Eric Dickerson here, but from Albert Bentley 198 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: to it was the most underappreciated aspect of Vedrin James's game. 199 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: Joseph and I could do it as well, right, And 200 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: that is a critical point. It is such a benefit 201 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: when you get that. 202 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 3: Well, look you were not going to play with Peyton 203 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 3: Manning if you couldn't do that, Okay. He was counting 204 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 3: on everybody to execute, and if you didn't execute, you 205 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 3: were going to hear about it from from that Sunday 206 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 3: to the following Sunday. 207 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 2: Okay. 208 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 3: So there just wasn't any tolerance for that in that 209 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 3: offense when when Peyton Manning is at the controls, and 210 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 3: I think that's fine. I'm fine with that. I think 211 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 3: that should be the expectations. You know, look that the 212 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 3: quarterback has to be able to operate, and look when 213 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 3: you when you can't, when you can't protect the quarterback 214 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 3: as a as a running back, you know, you put 215 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 3: him in jeopardy. You just really put him in jeopardy. 216 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 3: So anyway, I do think Jon Taylor tries, but he 217 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 3: just doesn't execute well in that area, and even people 218 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 3: close to him understand that. It's it's been an issue. 219 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 3: So it's why he hasn't taught more passes in his 220 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 3: career and it's why they haven't kept him on the 221 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 3: field as much on third down. I still think they 222 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 3: should give him chances in the passing game because when 223 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 3: he does catch the ball and you give him the 224 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 3: ball in the open field. It's still Jonathan Taylor in 225 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 3: the open field. So I think there's some calculated risks there, 226 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 3: but you'd like him to be more proficient in the 227 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 3: passing game in all. 228 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: Areas, Steve, and Steven Holder is our guest. When you 229 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: were in college at the University of Miami, you lived 230 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: in I assume at least your freshman year. Did you 231 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: live in the dorms for a year maybe two? 232 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 3: I did initially live in the dorm yes. 233 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: Okay, when you lived in the dorms, did you In Indiana? 234 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: Uker was a huge card game. Everybody played Uker. I 235 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: think that's kind of a Midwestern who's your thing? Did 236 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 1: you ever get into playing cards, whether it be poker, 237 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: whether it be you know, rummy, whatever, your hearts, spades, whatever. 238 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: Did you ever play cards when you were in college? 239 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 3: Not a ton? So I guess I'm gonna mess up 240 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 3: whatever whatever storyline you're going for here. But but but 241 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I've played cards in my life. 242 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, okay, So with that said, we we wagered 243 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: into or ventured into a discussion slash debate earlier, did 244 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: Eddie and myself and I want you Stephen Holder to 245 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: work as the judge and jury here. Okay, when I 246 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: asked you about card games and I said, you know, 247 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 1: what sort of card games do you play? 248 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 2: You care the ones that I just mentioned. 249 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: I'm not saying Eddie's even wrong in this, but I 250 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: think it's an interesting discussion. Do you consider Uno to 251 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: be a card game? Or is Uno a game that 252 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 1: happens to utilize cards? 253 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 3: I would say, not a card game. 254 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 2: I would say, thank you, thank you. 255 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 3: I think it's its own thing. It's its own separate thing. Yeah, 256 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 3: so I don't know on what side of that, but 257 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 3: hang on. 258 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: I'm texting Shannon right now to let her know you're 259 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: still in for the mix with Pacer tickets for next year. 260 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 2: Because you agree with me on this one. You are correct. 261 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: Now the other one, which is an age old debate 262 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: that I've done on the show before, Steven, and then 263 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: we'll move along. I promise back to the Colts because 264 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: I have a Baltimore question for you. But that is 265 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: this is it, and I've done this one before, but 266 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: it came back up again because I was walking into 267 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: it and I saw the sign and then my brain 268 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: started working on it again. 269 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 2: Pet Smart, is. 270 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: It a mart for pets or is it a you 271 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: have a smart pet based on pet smart? 272 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 3: Wow, another one that I have never thought about. That's 273 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 3: so we're not super too here. This is good. I 274 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 3: don't know. Let's see. I will tell you what my 275 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 3: brain has interpreted it as. Okay, that's the one who 276 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 3: shops there. I interpreted it as like pets and then 277 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 3: smart in this regard, like you're smart if you stop 278 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 3: here for your pet. 279 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 4: I don't know. 280 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 3: That's just the way my understanding. 281 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: Hold on, but hold on, Steven, let me state my 282 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: case here. Okay, what about the fact that the bouncing 283 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: ball that is landing between the T and the S 284 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: is the appearance of an apostrophe. Thus that is thus 285 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: pets smart. And I'm with you to a great extent, 286 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: except for when you're walking in. If it is one 287 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: that happens to have a boarding division, it also says 288 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: out front pets Hotel p E T S h O 289 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: T E L. Thus, if it is pets hotel, meaning 290 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: a hotel for pets, then pet smart would mean a 291 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: mart for pets. 292 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 2: Now does that? Am I fair enough? Okay? Thank you? 293 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 2: So you're going on this one, no. 294 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 3: I will, I will admit I never considered. 295 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 4: Mark. 296 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 3: It just never my mind never digested it that way. 297 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 3: Had I had I done that, I probably would have 298 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 3: considered all these great arguments you've just made that I'm 299 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 3: sure you've been thinking about for a very long time. 300 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 2: I'm I'm texting Shannon again. 301 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: Disregard previous texts regarding tickets, Steven, what will we see 302 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: tonight if anything, or what you anticipate based on the 303 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: practice out of the Ravens and some of the challenges 304 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: or intrigue that could be presented for the Colts or 305 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: an area where it's going to be benefit to have 306 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: preseason game number one taking place against the Ravens because 307 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: it will test Indianapolis in this area. 308 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 3: And their play their key guys. I don't believe mar 309 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 3: Jackson's gonna play. I think there are actually quite a 310 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 3: few Ravens seats tonight. They are a veteran team, they 311 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 3: know what they have. They're just trying to get to 312 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 3: week one. Let's be honest. They're talking about trying to, 313 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 3: you know, find their depths pieces and develop their young guys. 314 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 3: That's what it's about for the Ravens. I think that 315 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 3: that's why you do the joint practices is really for 316 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 3: your veterans, and you know, have them play in a 317 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 3: controlled environment and not have to subject them to the 318 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 3: tackling in the preseason, so you won't see Lamar. They 319 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 3: did see him in practice quite a bit. I thought 320 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 3: the Colts held their own. I was pretty impressed, in fact, 321 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 3: and I came away from that joint practice feeling like 322 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 3: this team. I feel better about the Colts after that 323 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 3: joint practice. I feel better about the quarterbacks, and I 324 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 3: feel better about the team just overall as well. So 325 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 3: I thought it was a very productive week and we'll 326 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 3: see if they can finish it off tonight. 327 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: Okay, lastly, Stephen, before we let you go, personal opinion. Okay, 328 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: Baltimore underrated as a city? What say you? 329 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 3: So? I got to give Baltimore more of a chance. 330 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 3: I've been there for three days now and not really 331 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 3: done much of anything. In fact, this is kind of sad. 332 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,959 Speaker 3: Yesterday I had a free afternoon and I used it 333 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 3: to drive down to DC. So that's that's now and now, 334 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 3: and now I'm actually driving out to have lunch with 335 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 3: my cousin who lives just across the border in Pennsylvania. 336 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 3: So yeah, we haven't I haven't made the most. 337 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: Of by the way, that border of which you speak 338 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: between Pennsylvania and Maryland is actually actually the Mason Dixon Line. 339 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: Contrary to many people believing it is a more southern line, 340 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: the Mason Dixon Line separates Pennsylvania from Maryland. Fun fact, 341 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: rookie mistake on your behalf of driving from Baltimore to 342 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: d C. Because you should have taken the train, because 343 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: that's the true East Coast experience. And lastly, what and 344 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: I'm kicking myself that I didn't I tell you of 345 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: this earlier, but I have mentioned this on the radio 346 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 1: many times because it absolutely mesmerizes me. And it shows 347 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: you what the Colts meant to the city of Baltimore 348 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: at its you know, in their prime. There is a 349 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: bar in the Fells Point area of Baltimore, which is 350 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: a cool area. It's kind of an older historical area. 351 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 1: And maybe I've told you this before. And on the 352 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: wall of the bar they have a glass topped coffin 353 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: that is painted as a mayflower truck. And inside the 354 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: coffin they have a wax body of bob Ersay with 355 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: a quote on it that says, ed Schaeffer is my 356 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: friend and we won't leave Baltimore. And then on the 357 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: other side it says he lied, so he died. And 358 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 1: on key moments in Raven's history, they take the bob 359 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: or say dummy down and people do body shots off 360 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: of it in the bar. I didn't believe it. I 361 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: went and saw it myself. All of that factual. And 362 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: that's your side experienced side trip to do when you 363 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: get back from your cousins. 364 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 2: There you go. 365 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 3: That is. That is one of the top ten most 366 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 3: amazing stories I think I've ever heard. 367 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 2: That is a true story. That is a true story. Incredible. Yeah, okay, 368 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 2: we got to end the interview. 369 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 3: There. I got nothing. 370 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 2: That's it. 371 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: I'm telling you. I'll send you the name of the 372 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: place you can go find. I didn't believe it either, 373 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: and I went in and I'm like, holy cow, there 374 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: it is, and I'm like, I got it. They assund 375 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: some journalism. 376 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 3: This requires some journals. 377 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: They ain't messing around, man, I'm telling you right now. 378 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 1: All right, Steven holder the game tonight. The Colts and 379 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: the Raven Steven appreciate it as always. Man, travel safe. Okay, 380 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: all right, you got it. Thanks, all right. Steven went 381 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: one for two on the you know, and the PetSmart. 382 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: We're at the Legends down in Franklin. This is an 383 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: awesome golf course, awesome and it's a great event today, 384 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: all to benefit the Franciscan Health Foundation and their cancer 385 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: care program. You get me talking to lot about Franciscan 386 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: and their cardiovascular care, but also their compassion when it 387 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: comes to those who are entering that journey with cancer. 388 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: That's what Franciscan's foundation is for and we're raising money 389 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: for it today. Silent auction items are here. A lot 390 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: of golfers that went out shotguns start at ten thirty. 391 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: They're starting to kind of roll themselves in here, I 392 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: would imagine in the next hour or so, and right 393 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: in the transition when between myself and JMV is when 394 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: a lot of the golfers will be finished and we 395 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: will give out awards for that here at the Legends. 396 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 2: But jamb will be on for three until four. 397 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 1: Then it is the Colts pregame huddle from four until 398 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: six because the Colts in action tonight taking on the. 399 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens preseason game number one on the radio. Call 400 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 2: for it. 401 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: He is nice enough to give us a little time today, 402 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 1: Matt Taylor joining us on the program. Matt, I'm going 403 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: to begin with this because I think I certainly find 404 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: this interesting, and that is I am curious, and I 405 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: know that in the preseason it's probably different than the 406 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: regular season, But what is the actual schedule for an 407 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: NFL team on game day in terms of like the 408 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: time that they first start assembling to when they head 409 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: to the stadium, et cetera. Can you kind of walk 410 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: us through what a day looks like on a game day? 411 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, when you play in primetime or in this 412 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 4: case seven o'clock, but evening night game, it's a whole 413 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 4: lot of sitting around and waiting. It feels like the 414 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 4: game doesn't start till eleven o'clock. So, long story short, 415 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 4: they have different waves of options for guys. So there's 416 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 4: a pregame meal that's probably going on right around now. 417 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 4: It's one point thirty right now. It probably goes until 418 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 4: about three o'clock. There is an equipment bus that goes 419 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 4: over early. That's when the equipment guys go over and 420 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 4: kind of put the final finishing touches on setting up 421 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 4: the locker room and getting the training tables all set 422 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 4: and things like that. You've got the medical guys going 423 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 4: over shortly thereafter, and then guys can kind of go 424 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 4: over in waves. They can kind of pick the different 425 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 4: times of of buses they go over, depending on who 426 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 4: you are and what your pregame routine is. If you're 427 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 4: kind of banged up, maybe you go early to get 428 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 4: treatment and some rehab and stuff like that. But you 429 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 4: know we're gonna get there about you know, three fifteen, 430 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 4: and me just speaking for me personally, get there and 431 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 4: kind of set up, and you said the pregame show 432 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 4: is going to start at four. Kind of be there 433 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 4: to help oversee that and set up my stuff and 434 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 4: kind of get situated. So you know, I like to 435 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 4: get there early just to kind of feel like, you know, 436 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 4: you're there and you're all set up, get your bearings, 437 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 4: go through notes, don't feel rushed and things like that. So, 438 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 4: you know, in a typical regular season one o'clock game, 439 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 4: let's say a home game, I'm usually at the stadium 440 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 4: by nine point thirty and just kind of like to, 441 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 4: you know, casually go through the notes one more time, 442 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 4: memorize the roster, and just feel like you're extra paired 443 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 4: for game day. 444 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: When you are doing a game like tonight and I listen, Matt, 445 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: this is the real this is tonight tonight where you 446 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: earn your money. And I mean that in a good way, 447 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: because you know you've got to and it's a credit 448 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: to you. 449 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 2: You've got to. 450 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: Call some names and know some names on both sides 451 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: of the football. That it may be the only time 452 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: that you're seeing these guys play because they don't make 453 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: the roster. You know, that's probably more so I can 454 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: say game three, but nonetheless you are seeing players with 455 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: which you're relatively unfamiliar. What point in the game do 456 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: you feel like you've got an instinctive nature on the 457 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: rivals or the other team's roster or is it literally 458 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: a learning process for all four quarters. 459 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question. 460 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 4: I mean it's the wild wild West now. As you know, Jake, 461 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 4: we used to have four preseason games and there used 462 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 4: to be like a little bit of a rhythm to it. 463 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 4: You know, we had the starters that play a quarter, 464 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 4: then they play a quarter and a half, and then 465 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 4: the third game they'd play a full half address rehearsal concept. 466 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 4: Then the fourth game nobody would play. It'd be the 467 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 4: back end of the roster. 468 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 2: Guys. 469 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 4: Now what joint practice is and only having three preseason games. 470 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 4: It's just like everybody's got a different objective and what 471 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 4: they're trying to get out of the preseason in terms 472 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 4: of playing time and how much we're going to see 473 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 4: starters and stuff like that. So that's a long winded 474 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 4: way of saying you've got to be ready for anything 475 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 4: and everything, and so there's really no rhythm to it. 476 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 4: I suspect with the Ravens tonight, they're not going to 477 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 4: play any of their starters, and I don't even know 478 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 4: if they're going to play some of the rotational guys 479 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 4: in the in their two deep, you know, second string guys. 480 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 4: So I think I'm going to see a lot of 481 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 4: their threes and fours really throughout the course of the night. 482 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 4: And so yeah, to your point, you've got to be 483 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 4: prepared for all of that. You got to know all 484 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 4: the cults roster. I mean, it's one hundred and eighty guys. 485 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 4: It's a lot of work. You do have to sort 486 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 4: of earn your money. This time of year, the month 487 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 4: of August. I always say it's its own season because 488 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 4: you've got training camp and it's different times in different days, 489 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 4: and you're playing on different days. You got one hundred 490 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 4: and eighty guys, ninety man rosters. It's just completely different 491 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 4: from a routine standpoint, because there is no routine in 492 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 4: the regular season. The regular season is all about the 493 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 4: stars and the front end roster guys and the you know, 494 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 4: think that the starters obviously play the entire game. There's 495 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 4: a rhythm to the week. You know, Monday's Monday, Tuesday, Tuesday. 496 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 4: So August is just sort of like controlled chaos. Right, 497 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 4: We've been in Baltimore for four days a joint practice. 498 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 2: But it's fun. 499 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 4: I mean, this is this is literally you know a 500 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 4: lot of these guys super Bowls, trying to make the roster, 501 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 4: trying to stick in the NFL, and so you owe 502 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 4: it to them to tell their story, you know, get 503 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 4: things right and hype them up as much as you can, 504 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 4: knowing this is a huge opportunity for a drafted free agents, 505 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 4: for guys that are just trying to continue to get 506 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 4: a paycheck playing professional football. 507 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: Matt Taylor's our voice is our guest. I should say 508 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: the voice. Hees our voice too. When it comes to 509 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: the Colts, the voice are the Colts. Matt, give me 510 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: the name of a guy that you realized very early 511 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: in camp you better get used to because you're going 512 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: to be saying it a lot, and you did not 513 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: think three weeks ago perhaps that would be the case. 514 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that question. I think on on offense, 515 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 4: you know, I'm gonna be saying, uh, Tyler Commons name 516 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 4: a lot. I think he's gonna play a lot tonight, 517 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 4: especially in the second half, you know, after the Daniel 518 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 4: Jones run is over. Uh. He's a Division two guy 519 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 4: for the Colts from Emporia State and Uh he was 520 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 4: a finalist boar what basically the equivalent of the Division 521 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 4: two Heisman Trophy. He set all kinds of conference records 522 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 4: and Pooria State is a Division two school from Kansas, 523 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 4: and he set the program record for catches and yards 524 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 4: and receiving touchdowns. Could have transferred up, but knew that 525 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 4: he had a chance to really shine and fall out 526 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 4: there and get a ton of playing time and make 527 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 4: a name for himself at that level and then get 528 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 4: a shot as an undrafted guy in the NFL with 529 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 4: the Colts. Coleman Owen is a name that I think 530 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 4: you're gonna see a lot tonight as well. He's a 531 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 4: slot receiver, kind of a Josh Downs type of player, 532 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 4: and he is really impactful. He's catching a lot of 533 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 4: balls in training camp. Undrafted guy at of Ohio dominated 534 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 4: the mac and then on defense because of the the 535 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 4: war of attrition at that spot at cornerback. Jonathan Edwards, 536 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 4: he is a undrafted rookie free agent transferred from Indiana State. 537 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 4: He played three years for the Sycamore so he's got 538 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 4: a little bit of a hoosier tied to him down 539 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 4: at Tara Hate but transferred to Tulane As last year. 540 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 4: But he's playing a lot because Jalen Jones is banged up. 541 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 4: Juju Brentz is still dealing with the hamstring. I don't 542 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 4: think we're gonna see Charvarius war tonight for obvious reasons. 543 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 4: And then Justin Wally got banged up in practice on Tuesday, 544 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 4: and I'm not sure if he's gonna play tonight either. 545 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 2: Boy. He's a good camp Justin Wally, right. 546 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's unfortunate, Jake, because you wanted to see 547 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 4: him out there on a game field. You just you 548 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 4: were so impressed with everything that he was doing in 549 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 4: training camp, running with the first team defense. You know, 550 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 4: just I know it's a preseason game field, but you 551 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 4: just wanted to see him go up against different guys 552 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 4: in a different uniform in a different setting. So I 553 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 4: don't know if you're going to see that tonight, but 554 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 4: Jonathan Edwards is going to get some more playing time. 555 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 4: Alex Johnson's gonna get some more playing time. Chris Lamon's 556 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 4: you know some of the Trey Herndon, Duke Shelley, these 557 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 4: are guys they signed just for depth purposes because of 558 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 4: the injuries in camp. But I think, you know, Rick 559 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 4: Venturia always likes to say like, I'm going to know 560 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 4: your number and not your name until I need to 561 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 4: know your name, and I think number thirty five for 562 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 4: the Colts, Jonathan Edwards is on a first name basis 563 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 4: now because he is making place, getting a lot of 564 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 4: run with the second team defense, and I think you're 565 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 4: going to see him a lot tonight because of the 566 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 4: guys banged up on the depth. 567 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 2: Chart ahead of him. 568 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: Matt, you're probably I don't know if you would remember 569 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: this because it was my childhood and that was probably 570 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: gone by by your childhood. But before there were in cars, 571 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: before you had the automatic like standard cup holder that 572 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,479 Speaker 1: was made with in a car. There was a trend 573 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: in the late seventies into the early eighties where you 574 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: could buy these little plastic things that hung on the 575 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: window sill of your car and you could put your 576 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: can in them, your your can of coke or whatever. 577 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: Do you know in all what I'm talking about, does 578 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: that sound in any way vaguely familiar at all? 579 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 2: Percent? Yeah? 580 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 4: And they were oftentimes like swags, you know, like people 581 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 4: would put logos on them and get them away correct 582 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 4: something correct. 583 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: So the one time in my life that I've been 584 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: to Emporia, Kansas, my buddy Sean Hoog from the University 585 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: of Kansas, I went back to his hometown for a 586 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: weekend to hang out. And we're driving past in the 587 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: middle of Emporia, Kansas, just on the outskirts of Emporia State, 588 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: and there's this massive rolling of state, I mean, a 589 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: huge house, and holy cow, who in the world lives there? 590 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: And the guy goes, you know, those little plastic things 591 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: and he describes what we just talked about. 592 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 2: Goyah. 593 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: He goes, that guy that lives in that house invented him, 594 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: some farmer like invented them. Wanted one for his John 595 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: Deere made like fifteen million in nineteen seventy eight and 596 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: called it today. Now, probably what he's doing is writing 597 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,719 Speaker 1: nil checks for the Heisman Trophy finalists of the Division 598 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: two football recks, right. 599 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 4: And everything comes back. I mean this nostalgia and ad 600 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 4: vintage there right now. I mean people were throwing those 601 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 4: throwing those away because they didn't need them anymore, and 602 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 4: now it's cool to have that kind of stuff. That's right, 603 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 4: kind of digging for those things at goodwill to kind of. 604 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 2: Bring him back in vogue. Well, that's old as new, buddy. 605 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 2: What's old is new? Right, That's exactly right, same thing 606 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 2: with fact. 607 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: Okay, well yeah, listen, I've got my entire closet of stuff. 608 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,479 Speaker 1: I'm waiting for the for the rebound, right, I mean, 609 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: let's let's be real, okay, Matt, So again, about three 610 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: fifteen is when you will head over tonight and then 611 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: things will get underway. You will be on the pregame 612 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: overseeing that are helping out with that at four o'clock 613 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: right here on this radio station. And then of course 614 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: the game tonight between the Colts and the Ravens. I 615 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: always appreciate the time. I know it's a busy day 616 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: so certainly enjoy the kind of calm before the storm, 617 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: all right, and have a good call tonight. 618 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 4: I appreciate you guys. By the way, Jake, I did 619 00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 4: take a wreck golf class at Franklin College that involved 620 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 4: us doing a golf chapter and we would just go 621 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 4: whack balls for about forty five minutes at the Legends 622 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 4: at Franklin, So I know that course. 623 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 2: I forgot you're at Grizzly. Yeah, that's right. 624 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 4: So yeah, a lot of pride for where you're at 625 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 4: right now. 626 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 2: You're in godth I appreciate it. It is God's country. 627 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 2: It's nice down here. 628 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: It is nice, and like I mentioned, we're doing it 629 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: all to help people out with Franciscan health Care Foundation. Matt, 630 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: appreciate it all right, Jake, be well 631 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 2: Right, Matt Taylor joining us on the program.