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Speaker 1: It's unprotected from the Pacers, and then there's another one

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Speaker 3: That's what this has been about.

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Speaker 1: They scoured the market searching for centers, whether it was

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Speaker 1: Daniel Gafford, a Visa Zubach, Yves Missy, there was a

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Speaker 4: It is now time to meet the twenty twenty six

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Speaker 5: No one has scored more points or kicked more field goals,

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Speaker 5: twenty four seasons, four rings, one at my expense and

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Speaker 5: now run bust in the halls of Canton, Adam Vinitari.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if anything happened over the week, over

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Speaker 6: morning Kevin Bowen. Mark dyked a nice job as always.

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Speaker 6: When last we left you, we had a lingering question,

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Speaker 6: Benedict Matherin is gone and Evan Zubik is here, and

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Speaker 3: So you got Zubacs.

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Speaker 6: Now you've got a center, and now you've got something

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Speaker 8: A Viza zubats, I think the pronunciation is right on

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Speaker 8: My thoughts are I get it, don't love losing, Ben

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Speaker 8: mc matheren, I get it.

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Speaker 2: I get it, I get it. I get it.

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Speaker 8: And oh boy, Mother's Day. We warned you a few

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Speaker 8: because you need to have what is it the rabbit's foot.

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Speaker 8: You need to have whatever you believe in from superstition,

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Speaker 8: because you need ping pong balls bouncing your way. The

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Speaker 8: if Darren Peterson is involved in coming an Indiana pacer,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think honestly, like you, I'm okay with it.

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Speaker 6: Not mad at the trade, I understand that. But James,

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Speaker 3: To have that.

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Speaker 6: But to me, that's what would make this deal worth

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Speaker 11: Got to see the draft lottery.

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Speaker 9: Now we got to make sure that everything's in order,

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Speaker 9: Iviza Zubots over the five through nine pick, Like, is

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Speaker 8: in the afternoon show, I did what was he cheating

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Speaker 8: I don't know if I'm in a position to comment

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Speaker 8: You come back to Zubots as a player, and there

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Speaker 8: He gets all of this for him, and James points

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Speaker 2: Did Benedict Matherin want to be here?

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Speaker 6: Happy for today as we move into a new reality

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Speaker 3: Down the stretch.

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Speaker 6: Knowing that you've got protected picks one through four this year,

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Speaker 9: That sounds like Pascal Siakam, How are you going to.

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Speaker 11: Manage him?

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Speaker 11: N season tournament is over.

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Speaker 9: The Pacers are not going to be on very many

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Speaker 11: But that's my question.

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Speaker 8: it's really hard to explain. The Pacers are thirteen and

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Speaker 8: That means if the lottery was today, they would have

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Speaker 8: So you have a fifty two percent chance to keep

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Speaker 8: That pick is the Indiana Pacers pick come June.

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Speaker 12: Now.

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Speaker 6: You're playing, especially when what we've only got three months

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Speaker 2: The thirty one games left in the season.

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Speaker 8: So I feel like that kind of covers everything.

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Speaker 6: So again, I and that changes a lot like week

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Speaker 8: The NFL is purely off of record, purely off of record,

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Speaker 8: It's fourteen percent. Currently right now, the Pacers have a

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Speaker 9: So again, that I think was a good explainer what

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Speaker 9: So can you tell players? You can't tell players. You

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Speaker 8: So let's start there is the best case scenario to

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Speaker 11: I don't because I don't think it's realistic.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't think you can climb that far. I

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Speaker 6: I think you see a lot of things like that.

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Speaker 2: You said zubots might play next week.

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Speaker 9: You can rest certain guys, and they certainly will, but

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Speaker 8: And just to remind everybody, if the Pacers were to

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Speaker 8: potentially a guy kind of in that in that top ten.

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Speaker 8: Not a lot of bigs, but those are some of

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Speaker 8: the names. Mark, you had eyes on us, like you

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Speaker 8: had something.

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Speaker 10: Well, No, I was just saying, like my thought was,

444
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Speaker 10: I don't think they really have to try that hard

445
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Speaker 10: to like tank. Like we've watched this team all season, right, Like,

446
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Speaker 10: I know you're adding some pieces, but like I still

447
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Speaker 10: think the losses are gonna come.

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Speaker 2: Mark, I don't just had their best month of the

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Speaker 2: season with.

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Speaker 10: That too, But they just think that this is gonna

451
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Speaker 10: be some like the NBA's first of all, the NBA

452
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Speaker 10: if they're if they're worried about tanking, then they need

453
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Speaker 10: to figure out their whole like draft compensation thing.

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Speaker 2: Because oh this is protected.

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Speaker 10: If it's this and this, it's either treated like a

456
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Speaker 10: regular draft pick, where once a trade the first round pick,

457
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Speaker 10: it doesn't matter where it is, it's traded instead of

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Speaker 10: having all these protections on it. So that's how you

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Speaker 10: get out of the hole. Are these teams tanking or

460
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Speaker 10: not on purpose? That's how you would fix that right

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Speaker 10: out of the game. The Pacers just outright traded their

462
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Speaker 10: twenty twenty six first round pick. It wouldn't matter what

463
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Speaker 10: they did the rest of the season. But because there's

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Speaker 10: all these protections now they have to try to game

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Speaker 10: the system a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Your three wins away.

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Speaker 8: From your odds decreasing by about twenty percent to get

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Speaker 8: a top four pick. And again they just would they

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Speaker 8: go in January five hundred.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, they had their best month of the year.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, this is I mean, it gets and if

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Speaker 8: you look at their back half of the schedule, they

473
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Speaker 8: play a lot of these teams around them in the

474
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Speaker 8: tank standing. So again, there are other elements to this trade.

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Speaker 8: I do want to get in a zoobots matter and etctera,

476
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Speaker 8: et cetera. But I did feel the need that we

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Speaker 8: will want to try to pen in paper actual tanking

478
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Speaker 8: odds and explain a little bit of what this trade

479
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Speaker 8: does look like right now and what it could look

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Speaker 8: like here in a few months. And again, the draft

481
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Speaker 8: lottery is Mother's Day night.

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Speaker 3: Here's the other part of that.

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Speaker 7: Here's the you to your point, Kevin, the starting five

484
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Speaker 7: is not bad for this team right now, Like right now,

485
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Speaker 7: if you start Zubats at center, and then you've got

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Speaker 7: Pascal Siakam, You've got Andrew Nemhart, You've got aaron Ne Smith.

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Speaker 13: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Do you start Jeris Walker the rest of the way.

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Speaker 3: That's not a terrible starting five, James. It's gonna beat

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Speaker 3: a lot of bad basketball teams.

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Speaker 9: I'm very curious to see what happens ENTI games in

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Speaker 9: the fourth quarter. Everybody, come on and sit next to me.

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Speaker 6: You got Ben Shephard and Micah Potter and power pack enters,

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Speaker 6: Jam Jones out there you exit.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I'm very curious. I had a few

496
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Speaker 9: people who were tagging me and JAMV saying, hey, you

497
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Speaker 9: guys are ready to play, and I was thinking I

498
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Speaker 9: could definitely lose you some games in the NBA.

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Speaker 6: Let's check the fan text line and see what's up there.

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Speaker 6: Two three, nine, ten, seventy. Ryan, here, this avoided the

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Speaker 6: worst possible outcome for the Pacers in the offseason. The

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Speaker 6: worst would have been Matherin leaves, forces the Pacers to

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Speaker 6: match and go deeper into the tax. You fall out

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Speaker 6: of the top four in the draft. You don't have

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Speaker 6: an answer at center. The trade got value out of

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Speaker 6: Benedict and solve the center problem. The trade does not

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Speaker 6: impact the pick. It either is top four or not.

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Speaker 8: I think the first part of it, I can nod

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Speaker 8: my head at again, did Benedict Matherin want to be here?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 8: Again, he's a restricted free agent, so there's only so

512
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Speaker 8: much there. But I do think that is a question.

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Speaker 8: You know, when this week started, I said to you guys,

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Speaker 8: as much as I love Matherin, this team cannot afford

515
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Speaker 8: to let a second guy walk without getting anything in return.

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Speaker 8: And by second guy, I mean Miles Turner being the first.

517
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Speaker 8: And that's what you did here. Now, I think the

518
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Speaker 8: trade bait and the pick debate, Ryan's not given enough

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Speaker 8: credence to because as much as we sit here and say, oh,

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Speaker 8: this draft's only a four person draft, let's go through

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Speaker 8: the history of NBA drafts. There are a lot of

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Speaker 8: random picks or picks on draft night that you didn't

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Speaker 8: really think was something. Look at the Halliburton draft. He's

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Speaker 8: a perfect example of it. Where was he eleventh, twelfth?

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Speaker 8: And now look at that redraft. The NBA draft is

526
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Speaker 8: such a crap shoot.

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Speaker 11: I will say this though.

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Speaker 9: I mean we went through this actually a few years

529
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Speaker 9: ago with the Pacers when they got the number six

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Speaker 9: pick for Bendict Mather ironically, and I did it for

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Speaker 9: Indy Star with Matt Newell. If you look at the

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Speaker 9: amount of all NBA All Star players that are outside

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Speaker 9: of that top five, once you get past five in

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Speaker 9: the in NBA history, it drops off considerably. So I mean,

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Speaker 9: while you can say, oh, well, you know Giannis was

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Speaker 9: I think a number fifteen, and Steph might have been

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Speaker 9: like number seven or something like that, it is very

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Speaker 9: very rare that you get a franchise altering player outside

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Speaker 9: of the top five.

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Speaker 8: Sure, but let's look at the Pacers starting lineup. We

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Speaker 8: think the Pacers have a championship level team. Not a

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Speaker 8: single one of their starters a top ten pick.

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Speaker 11: I agree with that.

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Speaker 8: They just it's and that's why I do the Jordan

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Speaker 8: shrug a little bit here and I should say the

546
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Speaker 8: security guard shrug of like it's hard to truly predict.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Woggler is a great example of it in

548
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Speaker 2: college basketball.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, four months ago he was whatever, a

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Speaker 8: top two hundred recruit and now he's you know, stealing

551
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Speaker 8: the Big ten and you know he theoretically has risen

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Speaker 8: to be a top ten guy Halliburton. I mean, you

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Speaker 8: look at his Iowa State career. No one would have

554
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Speaker 8: pegged him to be this. So that's where I think

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Speaker 8: this trade is so much unnote and I'm fascinated by.

556
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Speaker 8: I mean, you know, again, I've not that I'm watching

557
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Speaker 8: every Clipper game, but Zubots has just owned the Pacers

558
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Speaker 8: in his career, and I find that so fascinating. Of

559
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Speaker 8: like if he didn't, I mean, he dominated Miles Turner,

560
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Speaker 8: and it's kind of funny how like now he's here

561
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Speaker 8: doing really the exact opposite.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 8: We've talked about rebounding for the Pacers for a decade.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I can remember being at the Pacers alf

565
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Speaker 8: outing over the brickyard one year. Nate McMillan's talking to

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Speaker 8: season ticket members and corporate people and he's like rebounding,

567
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Speaker 8: rebound and rebounding, and that's what three coaches ago and

568
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Speaker 8: that has been the constant, and that's what Zoubots is

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Speaker 8: going to bring. He is going to be an elite

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Speaker 8: level rebounder. He's going to be a guy that can

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Speaker 8: finish around the basket, I would say, much more efficiently

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Speaker 8: than Miles Turner. Now, the flip side is he's not

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Speaker 8: going to stretch the floor. And you know, if you

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Speaker 8: do recall when they traded for Pascal Siakam, what was

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Speaker 8: one of the first things Siaka mentioned about playing here

576
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Speaker 8: in Indiana. I'm really looking forward to having Miles Turner

577
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Speaker 8: next to me because that's a five man that stretches

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Speaker 8: the floor.

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Speaker 2: That's not Zobots.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 2: He does other things very well offensively.

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Speaker 8: But you know, those are some of the questions that

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Speaker 8: I do think you are curious about.

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Speaker 6: John m texting in can we get Haliburton's mom to

585
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Speaker 6: represent the Pacers at the lottery show?

586
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Speaker 3: That might not be a bad way to go.

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Speaker 2: How about his dad?

588
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Speaker 6: Either one put them both out there. I like that

589
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Speaker 6: James duncan text again with the PACER's lucky. You already

590
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Speaker 6: know we're going to be the fifth pick. I bet

591
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Speaker 6: it right now. If I could.

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Speaker 3: People are not optimistic.

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Speaker 9: Well, yeah, I got this text from a source. In

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Speaker 9: the response that I got asking about just the protections

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Speaker 9: on the pick, is it will be an anxious lottery

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Speaker 9: night excamation point.

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Speaker 2: Should they I'm asking the question, not answering it. I'm asking.

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Speaker 2: I'm asking it.

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Speaker 8: Then I'm running. Should they have just resigned Turner? You

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Speaker 8: would have cost more money than zoobots about eight ish million,

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Speaker 8: So yeah, I want to acknowledge that, but you would

602
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Speaker 8: keep Now, let's say math all the tax too, right, right,

603
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Speaker 8: Let's say Mathn walks.

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Speaker 2: But you're keeping your future first plural lee.

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Speaker 9: So you're saying, basically, if they swapped it, like if

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Speaker 9: Mathern had walked and you kept okay and you kept

607
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Speaker 9: Miles turning, you kept your picks. If you're asking me

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Speaker 9: right now today, that sounds like the better option.

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Speaker 11: But can't go back in time.

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Speaker 6: Right last night, I guess in the afternoon yesterday, Rick Carlyle,

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Speaker 6: I don't know was he.

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Speaker 3: Cheating on us guys by calling JMV yesterday?

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Speaker 9: I know Rick been good to me. I can't say

614
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Speaker 9: he was seating him. He was giving the people what

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Speaker 9: they need.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, the marketing I don't know if we've earned the

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Speaker 8: right for our partner to be faithful to us.

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Speaker 3: Well, he's almost don't He's not ruled out a road

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Speaker 3: trip with you, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Let's be honest. Have you seen how Jambs look lately?

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Speaker 11: I mean, he's right behind you your here on the screen.

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Speaker 2: There's some worse side pieces out there.

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Speaker 6: I'll let you ponder that while we let you listening

624
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Speaker 6: to Rick Carlyle calling into JMV the first sixty seconds

625
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Speaker 6: or so of the things he had to say about

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Speaker 6: the trade.

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Speaker 14: With the departure of Miles Turner, we desperately need a quality,

628
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Speaker 14: high level starting center. We believe Zobach is the top

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Speaker 14: ten center in the NBA. Conversations on this deal went

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Speaker 14: on for many days, and I would assume longer. This

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Speaker 14: is a great opportunity for all players involved. Ben has

632
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Speaker 14: grown so much as a player. Isaiah the same. I mean,

633
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Speaker 14: these guys are homegrown Indiana pacer products. One guy's been

634
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Speaker 14: in his fifth year, one guy's in his fourth year.

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Speaker 12: And I'm proud to say that right now.

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Speaker 14: You know, as we speak, these two guys are in

637
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Speaker 14: the best possible position that they could be in to

638
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Speaker 14: move on to the next opportunity and really flourish, and

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Speaker 14: that's what we hope for them, and certainly we hope

640
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Speaker 14: the trade goes through and everything works out, but we're.

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Speaker 12: Excited to get Zoobots.

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Speaker 14: And Kobe Brown's a young player that people don't know

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Speaker 14: a whole lot about, but this would be a great

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Speaker 14: opportunity for him.

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Speaker 8: One thing to note, there were some reports nationally, James,

646
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Speaker 8: I know if you saw this, that the Pacers tried

647
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Speaker 8: to trade for Walker Kessler of the Utah Jazz. I

648
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Speaker 8: believe the report from Chris Haynes was too unprotected first

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Speaker 8: round picks. I don't know if Matheren would have factored

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Speaker 8: into that deal. Kessler probably known as one of the

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Speaker 8: better young elite and protectors, currently out for the year

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Speaker 8: with a I think it was a shoulder injury maybe

653
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Speaker 8: with Utah there, but clearly they had center on their

654
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Speaker 8: mind and we're ready to.

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Speaker 2: Give up a lot, not just for Zobots.

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Speaker 9: I think this also says a message to Tyre's Halliburn,

657
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Speaker 9: letting them know, look, we believe in you, and when

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Speaker 9: you are back ready to hoop, we'ren't be ready to

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Speaker 9: hoope for something meaningful when you are back on the court,

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Speaker 9: so I have to respect that and shouts Halliburton as well.

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Speaker 9: I forgot to mention that in the check down. What

662
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Speaker 9: he had is I believe high school jersey retired yesterday

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Speaker 9: at Oshkosh North in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 11: So he's had a hit. A hell of a day.

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Speaker 6: Big day for that, because I thought, didn't Brownsburg honor

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Speaker 6: you were talking about it yesterday than they honored Gordon Hayward.

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Speaker 2: Last y I retired his jersey.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, coming up at a moment, Greg Rake

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Speaker 6: Straw stops by. We'll get his thoughts on the latest

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Speaker 6: news and also the Hall of Fame, and know he's

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Speaker 6: pretty keenly aware of what's going on there. It's all

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Speaker 6: coming your way next at ninety three five and one

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Speaker 6: oh seven five the.

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Speaker 15: Fans, it's the one double DS.

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Speaker 6: You're listening to a fan morning show on sports Radio

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Speaker 6: ninety and one seven five. Fant this is the backball,

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Speaker 6: Happy Friday.

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Speaker 3: Things have changed with the Indiana Pacers.

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Speaker 6: We found out about some awards and Hall of Fame

680
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 6: inductees last night, or at least electees at this point

681
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Speaker 6: in time here to talk about all of that, maybe

682
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Speaker 6: even give us a look ahead to what's happening here

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Speaker 6: in Indiana over the weekend. Our good friend Greg Rakestraw,

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Speaker 6: you can hear just about anywhere, see on a game

685
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Speaker 6: just about any night, and he is always welcome on

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Speaker 6: the set and the show here.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, mister Rakestraw. It's been a busy twenty four hours.

688
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Speaker 3: How are you doing.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, gentlemen, and I look forward to hearing you

690
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Speaker 4: describe the military action of the Pacers in the next

691
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Speaker 4: two months.

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Speaker 6: Let's talk about the military action of the Indiana Pacers.

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Speaker 3: How would you describe it? Looking ahead?

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Speaker 4: I would describe it as one of my favorite James

695
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Speaker 4: Garner movies from the early eighties. I would describe it

696
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Speaker 4: as the nickname for former Indiana Pacers forward las Al Thompson.

697
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Speaker 4: I would describe it as how summuable of an Irish

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Speaker 4: you know accent, maybe pronounce the word thanks. I think

699
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Speaker 4: you get what I'm getting at here. It is tank time.

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Speaker 4: I you know, I heard that it's gonna be a

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Speaker 4: little while before Vita Zubots makes his Pacers debut because

702
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Speaker 4: he is on fraternity leave. I think they should schedule

703
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 4: that through April the fifteenth, just through tax season, just

704
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 4: to be ready, you know. And and make sure everybody

705
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Speaker 4: is is properly, you know, taxed and and things of

706
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Speaker 4: that nature. Now it is truly a race to the bottom,

707
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Speaker 4: because it should be a rocket right back to the

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Speaker 4: top of his basketball team next year.

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Speaker 9: So Rig don't give me sorry on tax season, brother,

710
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Speaker 9: easily in one of my least favorite times of the year.

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Speaker 4: But be imagine getting a paycheck from nine different people.

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Speaker 4: There's a blood letting in the Ratra household there.

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Speaker 9: I'll tell you what I got. I got a couple

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Speaker 9: of W two's that are waiting on me. But as

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Speaker 9: far as the Pacers go, when you look at the

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Speaker 9: I guess sappiness of the move because in theory you

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Speaker 9: gave up your first round pick, but you also put

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Speaker 9: a lot of protections on it. How much do you

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Speaker 9: think Chad Buchanan, team GM and Kevin Pritchard the team president,

720
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Speaker 9: have earned maybe some trust and some grace here given

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Speaker 9: what they've done in the past with other trades.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say I think they've done that by

723
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Speaker 4: I've heard you of. The Pacers were a game away

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Speaker 4: from winning the World Championship in June before things went

725
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Speaker 4: awry from an injury standpoint. Repeatedly over the course of

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Speaker 4: the last nine months. No, listen, this was sending and

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Speaker 4: you know at Ashet that you're gonna get nothing back

728
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Speaker 4: for in the off season, you know, getting something in return,

729
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Speaker 4: knowing that the way the Miles Turner situation played out

730
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Speaker 4: in the summer completely blew up on you and you

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Speaker 4: had to remedy that. And so you went out and

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Speaker 4: got a piece that both from a skill standpoint and

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Speaker 4: from a financial standpoint, it's exactly what you are needing.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: I think we all kind of when we first saw

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Speaker 4: that details the trade and you hear that this year's

737
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Speaker 4: first round pick could be going to the Clippers if

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Speaker 4: it doesn't meet certain parameters, you kind of had to

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Speaker 4: brace for impact when you read that for the first time,

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Speaker 4: and you went back and said, all right, one through

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Speaker 4: four stays here, ten past ears stays here.

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Speaker 12: Got it.

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Speaker 4: So clearly the Pacers brass thinked the top four players

744
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 4: the draft are pretty special, and there is a cliff

745
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Speaker 4: or there is a tier that once you go, you know,

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Speaker 4: from four to five. And so this is this is

747
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Speaker 4: potentially having your cake and eating it too, where you

748
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Speaker 4: get your center position fixed. You love the top seven

749
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Speaker 4: or eight players, your rotation and maybe, just maybe you

750
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Speaker 4: end up getting a remark dynamic young talent in a

751
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Speaker 4: draft that those that follow it closer than I do

752
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Speaker 4: thing might be the best in the generation.

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Speaker 2: Greg Rigstraw.

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Speaker 8: Of course he's with us here a busy night for

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Speaker 8: boys hoops, so we'll get to it in just a second.

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Speaker 2: Last night girls got sectional.

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Speaker 8: Hopefully the mother nature issues well, I guess stays north

758
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Speaker 8: of us, but obviously unpeck some of the state here

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00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 8: with some snow this morning, I do want to shift

760
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 8: gears over to the colts. Late last night, Rake out

761
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Speaker 8: of an Atari does get into the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 8: Frankly I thought he should have been a first ballot,

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Speaker 8: but nonetheless he's in on the second ballot.

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Speaker 2: For a seventh straight year.

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Speaker 8: Reggie Wayne doesn't get the call, and it doesn't sound

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Speaker 8: like he's close. Mike Chappell reported he did not even

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Speaker 8: make the top ten after that initial cut down to fifteen.

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Speaker 8: Why do you think Wayne is viewed and such? Again,

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Speaker 8: I say negative light. I mean that when we're trying

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Speaker 8: to cut down to an actual Hall of Fame class, I.

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Speaker 4: Don't have a good answer for that. But obviously we're

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Speaker 4: also biased about it because we saw the entirety of

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Speaker 4: Reggie's career here in Indianapolis. I think in this case,

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Speaker 4: he's almost penalized having you know, play with a great

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Speaker 4: quarterback for the first you know, ten years of his career.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And you know, and then he got Andrew Lucke obviously

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Speaker 4: for the last three h So I don't have a

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Speaker 4: good answer to it other than ignorance. And oftentimes we

780
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Speaker 4: blame uh, you know, conspiracy, when it's incompetence that we

781
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Speaker 4: should be blaming. Uh. Reggie Wayne is absolutely a Hall

782
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Speaker 4: of Famer. He may have to go now through kind

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Speaker 4: of the Senior Committee or whatever it is being called,

784
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Speaker 4: because again, as more new names get out of the ballot,

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure that his name is going to be

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Speaker 4: called anytime soon. We seemingly had a run on wide

787
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Speaker 4: receivers for a while, and now there has been some

788
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Speaker 4: pushback on that. But again I'm biased because because not

789
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Speaker 4: only do I cover Reggie, but much like UKB, I

790
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 4: know him personally. Uh And and I'm a big fan

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Speaker 4: of Reggieaying the person as much as Reggie Wayne the

792
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Speaker 4: wide receiver. So I'm all for him being a Hall

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Speaker 4: of Famer. I think it's gonna take a little while

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Speaker 4: for it happens though.

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Speaker 2: Mentioned busy night of boys hoops.

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Speaker 8: Saw Matt Painter was in the building there to watch

797
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Speaker 8: Isaiah Hill over Pribly some others over at Pike and

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Speaker 8: Ben Davis. I believe you had Carmel and Llen. Did

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Speaker 8: I see Fishers got a scare last night?

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Speaker 3: Again they did?

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Speaker 4: They have to go to overtime. And it's the related

802
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Speaker 4: it's a logo third kind of game that somebody has

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Speaker 4: played them close, you know, since mid December. And the

804
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 4: reason I give that line of demarcation is that's when

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00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 4: Jason Gardner Junior got hurt. Was the game against Hambleton's

806
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 4: South Eastern. So yes, Westfield played them very close and

807
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 4: took them to overtime with Fishers ended up winning that

808
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 4: game by two, So that game was of note. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: I had Carmel and ln And you know Carmel had

810
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Speaker 4: lost their three consecutive games at home, all two teams

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Speaker 4: ranked above them in the state of Indiana. And finally

812
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Speaker 4: Bucks that trend with their sixty to forty three victory

813
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Speaker 4: over Laurres Orthandigo.

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Speaker 6: Greg greg Sew joining us on the paylofs Slickers hotline

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Speaker 6: right now thoughts on Gordon Ayward being honored last night.

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Speaker 6: It is high school alma mater, Brownsburg where he led

817
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Speaker 6: them to I think it was a two thousand and

818
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Speaker 6: eight state championship, correct.

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Speaker 4: And I feel all that was eighteen years ago. So

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Speaker 4: goodn Brownsburg for recognizing Gordon. Obviously, he kind of had

821
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Speaker 4: to wait till his you know, playing day for over

822
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Speaker 4: with to kind of get him back unless you're want

823
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Speaker 4: to do that, you know, over kind of an NBA

824
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Speaker 4: All Star weekend. But one of the great moments of

825
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 4: Indiana high school basketball history the shot that he hit

826
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Speaker 4: on the on the long distance pass to get past

827
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Speaker 4: Married in the four A Championship game.

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Speaker 9: I'll tell you this ray when you look at some

829
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Speaker 9: of the talent around here in boys basketball this year

830
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Speaker 9: and the way Fishers just continues to roll, at least

831
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Speaker 9: with their regular season winning streak. I mean, I know

832
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Speaker 9: people accept him blovery team out, but win in some

833
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 9: of these games close fashion. What does that say about

834
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Speaker 9: what they have built as far as just like kind

835
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Speaker 9: of their mental fort two Because you look at who

836
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Speaker 9: they have and yeah, they have a lot of talent,

837
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Speaker 9: but they're not like Greg Odin and Mike Conley you

838
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Speaker 9: know what I mean, Like that they have, you know,

839
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Speaker 9: a different level of talent. It kind of reminds me

840
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Speaker 9: in a way, perhaps the Ben.

841
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Speaker 11: Davis team from a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 4: Right, Well, I had Fishers on Saturday night when they

843
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 4: won at Carmel by three, and it was the first

844
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Speaker 4: time I had had them early December, and so in

845
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Speaker 4: that time you added a player in Ethan Hillsman young

846
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 4: man that transferred in from the Chicago area and started

847
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 4: playing right around Christmas time. But what struck me, and

848
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 4: it makes sense when you think about it, we're kind

849
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Speaker 4: of what the guys say four or five, six, seven

850
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Speaker 4: at eight on the roster were able to do because

851
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 4: when the season began, they had, you know, Zachary and Gardner,

852
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 4: the deal that seems like been there forever but have

853
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 4: now been a part of this three year run that

854
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 4: are combined seventy eight and two. Then you bring in

855
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Speaker 4: Ky McGrew from Lawrence Northy, like, hey, those are three

856
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 4: phenomenal players and three kids that will be Indiana All

857
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 4: Stars this year or next. But everybody else was very inexperienced.

858
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Speaker 4: But guys like John John Lum and Levi Walker and

859
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Speaker 4: the Brelan others all have stepped up and kind of

860
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 4: up their game and just understandably so have kind of

861
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 4: grown into roles where they were fringe, you know, rotation

862
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 4: players last year, our kids that were playing on the

863
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Speaker 4: JV so in watching Fishers play twice early and then

864
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Speaker 4: seeing them again in late January, it was what those

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00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 4: other guys were doing that they weren't doing at the

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Speaker 4: start of the season that really kind of caught my attention.

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Speaker 6: Greg Hall of Fame announced last night for the twenty

868
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Speaker 6: twenty sixth class, Adam Minatiri and Drew Brees in with

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Speaker 6: some local ties. Nothing there happening yet for Reggie Wayne

870
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Speaker 6: and Frank Gore.

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Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on what you saw last night?

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Speaker 4: You know, again we're getting to this kind of you know,

873
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 4: back Hall of Players, because you know, this class had

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Speaker 4: some pretty notables in terms of first time eliltiple guys

875
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,959
Speaker 4: and next year you probably play, say a similar thing.

876
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting we have claimed Vin Terry having

877
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 4: played more of his career here than he did in

878
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 4: New England. But at the same time, you know Frank

879
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 4: Gore will get in at some point in time just

880
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 4: because his numbers and his longevity are so staggeringly good.

881
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 4: How much will Colts fans embrace frank knowing that the

882
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 4: time that he played here Frankly Colts weren't very good

883
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 4: and so when he makes it in, it'll be very

884
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 4: curious to see exactly the level of hug that Central

885
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 4: Indiana gives him to claim him as one of their own,

886
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 4: knowing that, you know, primarily his days in the National

887
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 4: Football League, or he'll be identified as more of a

888
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 4: San Francisco forty nine er than anything else.

889
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 3: Always good to talk to you, buddy. Have a great weekend.

890
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 3: And what's your schedule look like?

891
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 12: Again?

892
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 4: Remarkably a night off tonight because of the schedule changing

893
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 4: because the girls of the boys games are kind of

894
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 4: featured on Thursday night and Saturday afternoon on girls sectional week,

895
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 4: I will have the sectional final from Carmel likely HC

896
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 4: against one of Carmel or Zionsville tomorrow night at seven o'clock.

897
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 6: Sounds good, buddy, Have a good one, enjoyant, stay safe

898
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 6: and we'll talk to you soon.

899
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 13: Thanks Ry, Thanks Bett, you got a guys.

900
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 3: You were listening to about fan morning show on sports

901
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 3: radio and one.

902
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 5: Fan a going back to the Super Bowl halftime Miami

903
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 5: in the rain.

904
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 6: Checking out the Hall of Fame inductees from last night.

905
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 3: One former cult getting in.

906
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 6: Adam Vinnettieri gets in, but also Purdue quarterback Drew Brees,

907
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 6: who had the long career with the Chargers and the Saints.

908
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 3: He's getting in fairly quickly. Larry Fitzgerald, Luke, Keikley. Also

909
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 3: Roger Craig.

910
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 6: Running back from the San Francisco forty nine Ers glory

911
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 6: days when they were winning Super Bowls with Joe Montana.

912
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 6: I don't know if he played in that season with

913
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 6: Steve Young or not, but he was an amazing running back.

914
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 6: Kevin Bowen, Jeff Rickard, James Boyd is off on assignment now,

915
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 6: and Mark Dyton is in as always the man in

916
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 6: the box back.

917
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 3: There, and we welcome in Mike Chappell.

918
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 6: Mike does a great job and has been here from

919
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 6: the beginning for the Indianapolis Colts and a good friend

920
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 6: of the show and from Fox fifty nine does a

921
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 6: great job covering the Colts there and he is a

922
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 6: voter on the Hall of Fame and he.

923
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 3: Joins us now on the payless Lookers hot line.

924
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 6: Good morning, Chappie, do you still go back to the

925
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 6: Super bowl whenever you hear Prince.

926
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 12: Yeah, that was a great time, the wife and some

927
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 12: kids witting down with us. And it's funny because you

928
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 12: can see from the press box that it was sort

929
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 12: of a misting rain and the wife's out in the

930
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 12: stands and he said, no, it was raining, and you know,

931
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 12: I didn't appreciate that because I was in the warmth

932
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 12: and the dryness of the press box. A great day,

933
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 12: great night, and uh, it'll be part of that's that's

934
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 12: the pinnacle of coltslore in indie style. Uh. Since until

935
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 12: they do something else.

936
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 8: Chap, I'll uh, I'll buy you a lunch later this

937
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 8: year for waking up with us today.

938
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: Thank you, Pim.

939
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 12: You know you know, I just want you to know

940
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 12: and you you not go back and forth on this.

941
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 12: It takes like an important, uh work related thing, or

942
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 12: or going to Fortville to watch my grandkids play football

943
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 12: or basketball, or you guys for me to set my alarm.

944
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 12: So you guys are special.

945
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, I sent I sent Chap along kind of double

946
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 8: paragraph text asking him, I said, want to be respectul

947
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 8: of your beauty sleep?

948
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: His response one word sure. So I'm absolutely happy about.

949
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 3: Great writers are men? The men a few words.

950
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 12: You need your you need and you need your sleep.

951
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 12: You know when you go to about at one o'clock

952
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 12: in the morning, like I do, because I'm an idiot,

953
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 12: it takes a while to get up in the morning.

954
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 8: Well, we did have to wait quite a while last night,

955
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 8: but we did hear Adamnitari's name announced.

956
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: Very deserving.

957
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 8: I felt like first ballot, to be honest with you,

958
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 8: but I understand where we're at from a voting process.

959
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 2: Let's move to Reggie Wayne.

960
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 8: You mentioned it in your piece on CBS four Fox

961
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 8: fifty nine that Reggie did not even crack the top ten.

962
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 8: So you have fifteen finalists, you cut it to ten,

963
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:20,959
Speaker 8: then he cut it to seven. You vote from there.

964
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 8: He did not get the cut to ten. Safe to say,

965
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 8: Chap that unfortunately, we're going to be waiting quite a

966
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 8: while for REGGI Wayne's name to be announced into the

967
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 8: Hall of Fame.

968
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 12: Well, we already had. This is seven years in waiting,

969
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,479
Speaker 12: and it, Yeah, it frustrates me. I'm the one. I'm

970
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 12: the guy that you know, the local market guy kind

971
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 12: of presents each guy who's eligible, and I've done it

972
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 12: with Marvin and Peyton. Was pretty easy, but Edrewn and Freey.

973
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 12: But it's and we're not allowed to talk about what

974
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 12: is debate in the room, so there's somethings I can't say.

975
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 12: But all I will say is nationally, Reggie's looked at

976
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 12: as a really good player but not a cut above.

977
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 12: And I don't know where that comes from, whether whether

978
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 12: other selectors hold it against Reggie that he most of

979
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 12: his career was with Peyton and Andrew Luck or that

980
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 12: they've already got a slew of guys in and you know,

981
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 12: by the way, you guys only won one Super Bowl

982
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 12: for crying out loud. I don't know. But the ways

983
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 12: that we've we won't go too deep in the weeds,

984
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 12: but the way that we've cut it back from generally

985
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 12: five guys getting in to where last year was three,

986
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 12: this year was four, which I was pleasantly surprised by

987
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 12: the way we've changed the voting to where we go

988
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 12: from fifteen to ten to seven. We used to go

989
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 12: from fifteen to ten to five, and then you voted

990
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 12: just or knowing the guys and they got in unless

991
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 12: you had a real well they got in because it

992
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 12: would take eleven guys to say no. But now you

993
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 12: cut to seven and then we vote. We only vote

994
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 12: for five, so it's hard. It's really gonna be hard

995
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 12: to get five in. I don't think we will because

996
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 12: of the math doesn't work getting forward with good. But

997
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 12: the problem we right into is when you get a

998
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 12: couple of guys who are gonna gobble up a lot

999
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 12: of the vote. I kind of think Breeze and Fitzgerald

1000
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 12: did that this year. It makes it hard to spread

1001
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 12: to other guys. Although agetting two guys did get eighty

1002
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 12: percent for this group, so you're gonna get the I

1003
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 12: hate to use the word headliners, but those guys, you

1004
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 12: know coming up, we got Tom Brady, We've got ground Cask,

1005
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 12: Adrian Peterson in people like that, they're gonna be like, oh, well,

1006
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 12: we're gonna vote for him because because well, that pushes

1007
00:48:55,120 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 12: those guys who who might be a rung below, you know,

1008
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 12: guys who certainly deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.

1009
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 12: But with I think it's Reggie, it's Tory Holt, it's

1010
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 12: people Willie Anderson from the Bengals, Jeff Hobbson like me,

1011
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 12: he's going crazy trying to figure out new ways present

1012
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 12: his guy. Uh, it's gonna be hard. It just is.

1013
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 12: I've I've had a long talks with Reggie about it,

1014
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 12: and he's frustrated, almost to the point of that he's

1015
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 12: just he doesn't want to talk about it. You've been

1016
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 12: out there when we've talked to Reggie about the Hall

1017
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 12: of Fame, and it's been less and less enthusiastic.

1018
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: And you you used didn't you use Belichick?

1019
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 12: One year?

1020
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: Like?

1021
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 2: What wasn't Belichick really high in his Reggie Price?

1022
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 10: Oh?

1023
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 12: Remember? Yeah, cause that's where Reggie sort of ended. Remember

1024
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 12: he went to New England for English training camp in

1025
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 12: fifteen I think it was or whatever year it was. Uh. Yeah,

1026
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 12: That's why I say there's this notion that that he's

1027
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 12: really good, but he is. It's his numbers. If he

1028
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 12: saw Peter King's video the other day, I don't know

1029
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 12: his podcast he was on. I don't call him that

1030
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 12: close to but he just sort of said, you know,

1031
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 12: Tory Holton, Reggie Wayne, you know, very very good players,

1032
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 12: but they didn't have those signature moments and all that,

1033
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 12: and and I call bs on that. I'm still I

1034
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 12: still bristle over the fact that Andrey Johnson. We allowed

1035
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 12: Andre Johnson to jump the line. You know, a couple

1036
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 12: of years ago, several years ago, Calvin Johnson. Again, you're

1037
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 12: you're in the room, and you know, Marvin Harrison had

1038
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 12: to wait three years, which is ridiculous because you know,

1039
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 12: we had to get We got Andre Reid in his

1040
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 12: first year. The second year we voted in uh, Tim Brown,

1041
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 12: and then Marvin. That's ridiculous. But now we've got We've

1042
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 12: had Isaac Bruce, Tory Holton, Reggie Wayne, and we got

1043
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 12: Isaac Bruce in and then it was going to be well, next, next,

1044
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 12: and that's the way it works. And then well, Calvin

1045
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 12: Johnson was eligible. Well, Calvin Johnson was He was special.

1046
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 12: You know, you will be called Megatron just you're a guy.

1047
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 12: You're that good. So I understood that. But then Andre

1048
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 12: Johnson came up a couple of years ago. And I'm

1049
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 12: not dismissing Andre Johnson at all. His numbers are so

1050
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 12: similar to Reggie and Tory Holt, but Reggie are better

1051
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 12: and Reggie has the playoffs that are undeniable. And we

1052
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 12: voted Andrey Johnson in the head of Reggie and Tory Holt,

1053
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:29,280
Speaker 12: which I just didn't agree with. And I knew then.

1054
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 12: I knew then that it was going to be a

1055
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 12: tough haul for Reggie to get in, just because I

1056
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 12: know the process and I know the guys, the fifteen

1057
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 12: guys we put up every year, our upper tier players.

1058
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 12: I don't care what Dion Sanders says about we're letting

1059
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 12: too many guys. And it's easy to say that when

1060
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 12: you're already in. But I'm worried about Reggie getting in.

1061
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 12: I am what he needs to do is and I

1062
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 12: know he's frustrated with it because at some point he

1063
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 12: may say, just get me off the ballot, get me out.

1064
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 12: And if you guys have done that, which doesn't mean

1065
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 12: you're off the ballot, but but it's better to be

1066
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 12: one of the fifteen every year than to be than

1067
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 12: not to be, because then you're sort of forgotten and

1068
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 12: then everything moves on. John Lynch is Hall of Famer

1069
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 12: and he got in on his ninth in his ninth year,

1070
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 12: after ninth straight, in his ninth straight finals appearance. So

1071
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 12: but it's just hard to and and it's it's gonna

1072
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 12: be hard for those guys who aren't aren't the upper

1073
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 12: upper guys, and just because you're not one of the

1074
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 12: upper upper guys, and Reggie's dog out of Reggie's dartned

1075
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 12: close to those guys. He is, he just is. Look

1076
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 12: at the numbers. I mean at the Kevin and our business.

1077
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 12: We can do a lot of things to numbers. We

1078
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 12: can make him sing, you can, but you can't. You

1079
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 12: can't dismiss Reggie's numbers. The one that I always use,

1080
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 12: dog Gun it is there's two players in NFL history

1081
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 12: that rank top eleven in yards and receptions in the

1082
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 12: regular season in the postseason. I mean their careers is

1083
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 12: Reggie and Jerry Rice. So I it frustrates me, and

1084
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 12: I know it frustrates for Reggie. And all you do

1085
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 12: just you go back and try to get next year.

1086
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Speaker 6: Talking to Mike Chapel, Fox fifty nine here on the

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Speaker 6: Fan Morning show in the Payless Liquors Hotline, a few

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Speaker 6: words on Drew Brees getting in the former Purdue quarterback

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Speaker 6: making a lot of folks in Indiana proud obviously put

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Speaker 6: up staggering numbers during his career, but general thoughts on

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Speaker 6: him in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, he again, he's that cut above and he did

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Speaker 12: it for a long time, and he did it at

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Speaker 12: a high level. What is the second in yards? I

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Speaker 12: think he's second in touchdowns. I play behind Brady is

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Speaker 12: All and I don't have all of his numbers because

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Speaker 12: I didn't do anything with him. But there's only a

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Speaker 12: handful of guys that have thrown for five thousand yards

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Speaker 12: of the season, and he's like a couple of times

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Speaker 12: or three times whatever it is, seventy percent his completion

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Speaker 12: percentage rolling out of bed. That wasn't a surprise, and

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Speaker 12: it was funny. You think about time and place. Remember

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Speaker 12: when he was with the Chargers in his last year there.

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Speaker 12: As it turned out, he one of the last games

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Speaker 12: he had that shoulder injury. He was tackled in the whatever.

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Speaker 12: It was near the end of the season, and he

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Speaker 12: had to rehab all off season. And that's before he

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Speaker 12: went to the Saints. He had to try out a

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Speaker 12: workout with a Miami Dolphins and they wouldn't or didn't

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Speaker 12: clarion medically. So then he goes to New Orleans. Can

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Speaker 12: you imagine, I mean, how things might have would have

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Speaker 12: changed for Breeze, certainly, but two franchises and if instead

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Speaker 12: he instead of going to the Saints, he goes to

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Speaker 12: the Dolphins. So what a great career. I remember I

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Speaker 12: met him. It was whatever the year he came out

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Speaker 12: from Perdue with and going into the combine. I drove

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Speaker 12: up the West Lafayette and sat in the office and

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Speaker 12: talked to him for a while. Such a I don't

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Speaker 12: think he's changed much. Such a personal guy. It gives,

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Speaker 12: he gives time. He knows there's a responsibility when you're

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Speaker 12: that guy, whether it's the quarterback at Perdue or a

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Speaker 12: quarterback with the Saints or a Hall of Fame guy.

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Speaker 12: Jeff Duncan, the guy from New Orleans, the media guy

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Speaker 12: that presented him and covered him in the Saints posted

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Speaker 12: that you know how you know Breeze was in form

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Speaker 12: last night. He did all the interviews on TV and

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Speaker 12: you did all the local TVs from New Orleans that

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Speaker 12: went there, and then he had time for each of

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Speaker 12: the the individual media guys from the Saints that cover

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Speaker 12: that cover him, that cover the Saints. And that's what

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Speaker 12: those guys are. Our guys have been the same way.

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Speaker 12: Our guys, I mean the Colts guys with with Ed

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Speaker 12: Jura and and Freeny and I'm sure Vinitari our guys

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Speaker 12: Uh Brett Bensleing and Chris Hagen talked with him last

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Speaker 12: night and that's how he is. That's how those guys are.

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Speaker 12: Peyton was all. You know, you Matterton Peyton the same way. So, uh,

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Speaker 12: those are special guys. The Hall of Fame is a

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Speaker 12: special place. I know it got out of whack two

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Speaker 12: weeks ago. But until until we come up with a

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Speaker 12: better process, this is what we have and we'll work

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Speaker 12: with it.

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Speaker 8: Chap last one, and again we definitely appreciate the time. Again,

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Speaker 8: Mike Chappell with us here a CBS force Fox fifty

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Speaker 8: Now where can find his work? You mentioned a couple

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Speaker 8: of weeks ago, we didn't see Robert Craft get in.

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Speaker 8: We didn't see Bill Belichick get in. One it sounded

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Speaker 8: like you got a call from one of those individuals

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Speaker 8: this week, if you don't mind sharing that story. And

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Speaker 8: then two, how do owners get on the Hall of

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Speaker 8: Fame ballot?

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Speaker 12: They just have, They just had. We have subcommittees and

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Speaker 12: you know contributors which are owners. And it's uh uh.

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Speaker 12: John might have gone in as sort of a hybrid

1154
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Speaker 12: because of his the Madden stuff and TV or broadcasting

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00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 12: and he was a hell of a coach and then

1156
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Speaker 12: senior players and then and in modern era, so they

1157
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 12: whittled it down and this was people were wrong. This

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Speaker 12: was not Kraft's first time as a finalist. He was

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Speaker 12: a finalist like ten years ago, I think it was,

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Speaker 12: and didn't get in obviously, But then you know, we

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Speaker 12: got Jerry Jones in, We got a lot of owners,

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Speaker 12: are in, a lot of GMS are in Bill Pollon. Uh.

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Speaker 12: But no, I got it. Yeah, It's funny all the

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Speaker 12: stuff happened with where I didn't vote for Belichick, and

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Speaker 12: it was primarily Spygate. I mean, I think if your

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Speaker 12: first ballot guy, a first ballot guy, it needs to

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Speaker 12: be your bio needs to be clean, as clean as possible.

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Speaker 12: Peyton and Vinnie Vinnie should have gone in last year

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Speaker 12: in my mind, Brett Farr and those those type of things.

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Speaker 12: And in Belichick at Spygate, and it's not like it

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Speaker 12: was alleged. He he he was disciplined by the league

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Speaker 12: for five hundred thousand dollars and they were doctor first

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Speaker 12: round draft pick. So that's why. And then I did

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Speaker 12: vote for Craft. So last week I'm sitting there. It

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Speaker 12: was this week, it was on Monday, and I got it.

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Speaker 12: I got a call with a New England area AERA

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Speaker 12: code and I was probably not up yet because it's

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Speaker 12: like eight thirty. I called it back and it was

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Speaker 12: it was the guy didn't answer, but it was the

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Speaker 12: PR guy for the for the patron that thought, oh crap,

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Speaker 12: somebody's got to call and read me their riot act. Well,

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Speaker 12: they called me back two days ago and it was

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Speaker 12: it was Stacy James, the PR guy. I said, yeah,

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Speaker 12: I've got somebody want to talk to you. I get

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Speaker 12: I'm thinking, oh crap, Well it was. It was a

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Speaker 12: robber Craft and we talked for ten minutes and he

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Speaker 12: just wanted to thank me for his for the support,

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Speaker 12: and he was what he was probably doing was lobbying

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Speaker 12: for the next time he's on the on the ballot,

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Speaker 12: which is fine, which is fine, but he didn't have

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Speaker 12: to do that. And I did tell him that, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 12: I voted for you because you deserved it and even

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Speaker 12: though you are the overseer of the evil Empire, I said, so,

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Speaker 12: you know I did. Let I didn't let that hold

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Speaker 12: me back on voting for you. But you know, it's

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Speaker 12: it's that's where it gets hard is when you're when

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Speaker 12: with this process, you're you're debating an owner of all

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Speaker 12: these Super Bowls and a coach with all these wins

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Speaker 12: and all these Super Bowls against against players. It's just

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Speaker 12: I tend to lead towards players anyway. Just because it

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Speaker 12: was a little different with Craft, I thought, and it

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Speaker 12: will be nexty with Belichick because he gets in next

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Speaker 12: year he does. I'm positive of that as positive I

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Speaker 12: could be, but it was it was always cool to

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Speaker 12: at least they they paid attention. And I all of

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Speaker 12: our votes are supposed to be secret. We can tell

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Speaker 12: who we vote for, you who we want. I'm really

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Speaker 12: going to be curious if if I ever find out

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Speaker 12: who the people who did not vote for Belichick are.

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Speaker 12: And we're going to have our meeting coming up in

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Speaker 12: a couple of weeks to kind of rehash things, and

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Speaker 12: I don't think they're going to tell us. I don't

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Speaker 12: think people are going to admit who it was. I

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Speaker 12: did mine just because I got tired of the backlash

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Speaker 12: and some of the supporters, some of them selector to well,

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Speaker 12: I voted for Belichick and him not getting in with

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Speaker 12: is an embarrassment. Whether they're they're calling my my non

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Speaker 12: voter and embarrassment and I didn't appreciate that. But we'll see.

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Speaker 15: Uh.

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Speaker 12: It's again, like I say, it's a flawed system. Every

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Speaker 12: system is flawed, uh, baseball and all that basketball that

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Speaker 12: they're flawed. And until you've got a better idea, this

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Speaker 12: is what we'll go with. But yeah, it's pretty cool

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Speaker 12: talking to Robert Craft and you know, fortunately, and it's funny.

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Speaker 12: I'm doing a follow up story on Vinnie today about

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Speaker 12: how it began in New England and his first coach

1227
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Speaker 12: was Bill Parcells. He was a Hall of Fame coach

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Speaker 12: and I got a hold of him and talking to

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Speaker 12: him about Vinnie and and Vinnie talked about how he

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Speaker 12: was he was a scared rookie every time he went

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01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 12: out there in ninety six because he thought he's gonna

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Speaker 12: get cut. But it's interesting stuff and it's one of

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Speaker 12: the things you get to do as a selector. You

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01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,919
Speaker 12: get to talk to some of these guys. Belichick called

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Speaker 12: one time. I was watching TV late one night and

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Speaker 12: it rings and it's you know, a caller or his

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01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 12: said no, no caller, idea, whatever it is. And I

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Speaker 12: answered and he said, yeah, this is Bill Belichick. I thought,

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Speaker 12: holy crap. And he was giving me some good stuff

1240
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Speaker 12: on Reggie and and Edrian. He was a big fan

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01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 12: of both Edron he really loved so it's kind of cool.

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Speaker 12: But then then what you also come with the criticism,

1243
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 12: which is fine. They can criticize until they can do

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Speaker 12: it better.

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Speaker 3: Chappie, thanks for getting up early for us this morning.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate that one.

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Speaker 12: You know, you guys just you guys are special. Like

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Speaker 12: I said,