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Speaker 1: of your morning ritual. Later, CREO Professor James Small will

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Speaker 1: History Month. But before Professor Small nearly Fuller's son Mark,

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Speaker 1: sports with Morten State University Professor Edward Robinson. First, I said,

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Speaker 1: Kevin to reopen these classroom doors this Thursday morning at

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Speaker 2: Kevin, Hey, Grand Rising, Indeed, Carl Nelson, Happy Black History Month.

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Speaker 1: How you feeling, Bruh, I'm still learning, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man, that's a great affirmation. It confirms your

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Speaker 2: growth and we're proud of you. You're the dean that

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Speaker 2: makes you the dean of the University of Colin Nelson Show.

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Speaker 1: You know, I just hope everybody's learning something of what's

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Speaker 1: use of being on the radio if you're not entertaining

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Speaker 1: or informing. So you know, some people be on the

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Speaker 1: radio talk to themselves and you know, talk about themselves,

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Speaker 1: all about it's all about we got to make the

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Speaker 1: media work for us. That's where I'm at. Let me

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Speaker 1: get off my soapbox. But go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's an African proverb that says one who bathes

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, see I learned something else just a moment ago.

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Speaker 1: I never heard that, that proverb.

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Speaker 2: Well, I love you know, they just reading things like that,

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Speaker 3: In my bookcase?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 2: You see, I have a pretty pretty interesting mix of

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Speaker 3: What did your favorite go to read?

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this, how you juxtapose that

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Speaker 2: It's just just that if I find something interesting and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great because you know, we're in the microwave age, Kevin.

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Speaker 1: So folks. Folks don't have time to read the book,

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Speaker 1: Right, not discourage it. But then they like the microwave

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Speaker 2: And not only that, we're in the age of entertainment

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Trump Border before you go on though, we got it,

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Speaker 1: Kevin we Gotta. I got to mention this year Lamartin

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Speaker 1: Macklamore of the Fifth Dimension, one of the co founders

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Speaker 3: And left the great legacy in the world.

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Speaker 1: He sure did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, condolence family and may he continue to rest in legacy.

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Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, you could knock me over with a feather

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Speaker 2: are is pulling seven hundred immigration officers out of Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: It's a drop in the bucket. There's like two thousands

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Speaker 2: Okay, two thousand officers will remain in the state after

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Speaker 2: the President is always favorable of superlatives like that. Governor

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Speaker 3: And that's what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: Oh Man, well, in order to conserve time. And my

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So next time family, you're out there and you

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Speaker 1: And I think information that you're sharing with us on

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Speaker 2: She was born Gladys May Brown in nineteen thirty and

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Speaker 2: her memoir she titled our memoir it began with a dream.

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Speaker 3: Car?

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Speaker 1: Oh, no, I can't do that.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna carry them with you.

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Speaker 2: Finally, a quote from missus West herself, she said, every

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Speaker 8: The teams in the MIAK and the SWAG they cannot

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Speaker 8: may not choose to listen to the advice that I get.

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Speaker 8: So it causes, you know, anybody can jump in those portals.

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Speaker 8: You may jump in that portal and not get selected,

441
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Speaker 8: and then you're out of you know, out of luck.

442
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Speaker 8: There you're on your own. So it's just it's just

443
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Speaker 8: a system that needs help and it needs you know,

444
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Speaker 8: wise guidance and adults to step in and say this

445
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Speaker 8: is this is out of control, this is out of hand.

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Speaker 8: How do we fix it. Let's conference, let's figure it

447
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Speaker 8: out that you know this, this is naturally not working.

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Speaker 1: Right and hold that thought right there thirty minutes at

449
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Speaker 1: the top there with Professor Edward Robinson for Morgan State University.

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Speaker 1: Something else you talk about fixing and it's not working. The

451
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Speaker 1: professor the Ruiney rule. How many coaches had a football coach?

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Speaker 1: If you explain the Ruiney rule, uh to the family,

453
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Speaker 1: and and how many coaching openings they were this this

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Speaker 1: uh upcoming NFL season. All the openings now have been filled.

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Speaker 1: Nobody looks like me or you got a job? Should

456
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Speaker 1: should I? Should that be concerned? And why do you think?

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00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: Why do you think it is right? Now? You know

458
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Speaker 1: before at least one of us would get a job,

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Speaker 1: but one or two of us get a job. Some

460
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Speaker 1: of us got fired last last season, you know, for underperforming.

461
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Speaker 1: But now all these job has gone everybody know. The

462
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Speaker 1: closest is uh, Tennessee. I think Robert Salad, he's e Lebanese,

463
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Speaker 1: He's the only non white got a job, a head

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Speaker 1: coaching job. These owners of ed refusing to pay black,

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Speaker 1: black head coaches. How do you see what's going on there?

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Speaker 8: I have watched this issue very closely. First the Rooney

467
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Speaker 8: rule UH, named after the owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers,

468
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Speaker 8: Art Rooney, is meant to provide an opportunity for a

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Speaker 8: minority candidate to UH interview during the job opening process

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Speaker 8: in all of you know, during in all of the

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Speaker 8: NFL UH teams, so by rule, teams and organizations months

472
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Speaker 8: UH meet with at least one minority candidate during the process.

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Speaker 8: So that said, I think what happened here the league

474
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Speaker 8: and owners have taken a lot of criticism for it's

475
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Speaker 8: more this this this hiring period, there were ten openings

476
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Speaker 8: in zero no black coaches were hired as head coach.

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Speaker 8: You mentioned Robert Salah, who is lebaniice and he identifies

478
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Speaker 8: as Muslim. UH. He was hired by the Tennessee Titans.

479
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Speaker 8: This was UH, we signed a five year deal with

480
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Speaker 8: with with them well this season. And he was an

481
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Speaker 8: assistant coach with the San Francisco forty nine ers, and

482
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Speaker 8: he was previously a head coach with the New York

483
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Speaker 8: Jets where he was fired. This is a real issue

484
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Speaker 8: that the NFL commissioner, Robert I'm sorry, Roger Goodell, leads

485
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Speaker 8: to address. He was really you know, he had something

486
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Speaker 8: to say, but it's nothing major and this issue just

487
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Speaker 8: remains persistent in the league. A lot of people have

488
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Speaker 8: criticized the Rooney rule and want to get rid of

489
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Speaker 8: that rule. Said doesn't make a difference. I think the

490
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Speaker 8: issue stands with the NFL owners. The attitude towards this

491
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Speaker 8: practice has to change, Carl, if we're going to see

492
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Speaker 8: any real sustainable change. The problems not you know, black

493
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Speaker 8: coaches or white coaches. It's the owners. The owners, you know,

494
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Speaker 8: until they're able to look at two equally qualified coaches,

495
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Speaker 8: one black, one white, same same you know, basically the

496
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Speaker 8: same qualifications, and they still and then you know they're

497
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Speaker 8: able to consistently feel comfortable selecting a black coach, the

498
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Speaker 8: problem is going to persist.

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Speaker 1: Right Hold that thought right there, because that's that's where

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Speaker 1: we're at now. Could it be the political climate that

501
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: we're in and saying that Donald Trump all of those

502
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Speaker 1: just most of them are donating to Trump campaign. They're

503
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Speaker 1: all friends with Donald Trump. The owners except Seattle. Seattle

504
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Speaker 1: did not donate. So you know, they're in the Super Bowl,

505
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: so you probably know who you're probably be rooting for.

506
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: In fact, the teams are for sale. But is the

507
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Speaker 1: fact they don't want to offend they think they may

508
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Speaker 1: offend their friend Donald Trump if they hire a black

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Speaker 1: head coach.

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Speaker 8: I don't, I don't.

511
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Speaker 6: I mean this.

512
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Speaker 8: It's disrespectful on so many levels, and its laps of racism.

513
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Speaker 8: That's the basics. Whether it's tied to Donald Trump and

514
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Speaker 8: his foolishness, I don't know, Uh, the it's it has

515
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Speaker 8: to do more with you know, each individual owner's position

516
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Speaker 8: in life and the choices that they're making within their

517
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Speaker 8: their organization and how they see, you know, see the world,

518
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Speaker 8: and their they you know, their politics, and their just

519
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Speaker 8: general behavior. Like I just I don't know how comfortable

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Speaker 8: these owners are with handing that position to a black coach.

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Speaker 8: It just doesn't it's what we see. I only I

522
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Speaker 8: only can go by what I speak. They don't, they

523
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Speaker 8: don't feel comfortable doing it. They don't look at the

524
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Speaker 8: candidates and go means to candidate to equal. I'm going

525
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Speaker 8: to specifically select an African American because I can make

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Speaker 8: in a relationship with that coach, and I think that

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Speaker 8: coach has a we'll make an impact in my locker room,

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Speaker 8: which is seventy percent black most most times.

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Speaker 10: And that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Do you think this affects the players and the players

531
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Speaker 1: know it. You know, they see what's going on.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely absolutely. You know, if I'm a player, I don't

533
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Speaker 8: speak on it because it will impact my negotiating and

534
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Speaker 8: ability and all at the business. At the end of

535
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Speaker 8: the day, it's a business. But yes, of course it

536
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 8: impacts because you you understand that this is the power position.

537
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 8: You know, those franchises who have hired black general managers,

538
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Speaker 8: blacks in the in their executive suites, I commend them

539
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 8: because it matters.

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Speaker 1: Right and all. I thought, right there, Professor, we gonna

541
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Speaker 1: step aside for a few months ago get caught up

542
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Speaker 1: on their latest news of the trafficking weather in at

543
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: different cities. Family, you could too can join our conversation.

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Speaker 1: Were talking in sports with Professor Edward Robinson out of

545
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Speaker 1: Morgan State University. You know how to reach us eight

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Speaker 1: hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six and

547
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Speaker 1: we'll take a phone calls after we check the news

548
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Speaker 1: trafficking weather. Li's next and grand rising family. Thanks of

549
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: waking up with us on this Thursday morning and sixteen

550
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Speaker 1: minutes away from the top they had with I guess

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Speaker 1: the Professor Edward Robinson teachers at Mortgan State and Niversity.

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Speaker 1: We're talking sports. Before we go back to you, though,

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Speaker 1: when we want to remind you later this morning, we're

554
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Speaker 1: going to speak of grill. Professor James Small is gonna,

555
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, imply what the significance is of the one

556
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Speaker 1: hundredth anniversary of Black History Month. But before we hear

557
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Speaker 1: from Professor Small, Neely Fuller's son Mark and along with

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Speaker 1: the Robert Gatewood who hosted mister Fuller's website, going to

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Speaker 1: join us as well. And tomorrow Tomorrow's Friday when we

560
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Speaker 1: invite you to join us for open phone Friday Friday program.

561
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Speaker 1: All you got to do is free mind and all

562
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: that means is basically the thing for yourself. And we

563
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Speaker 1: start checking in at six am Eastern time right here

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Speaker 1: in Baltimore on ten ten w OLB. Also in the

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Speaker 4: All.

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Speaker 1: Right, before we left, we speak about what happened some

568
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Speaker 1: of you, you know, you football fans that probably haven't

569
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: been watching, you know, the job open that came up.

570
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of them, but came up this moment's

571
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: after the end of last season. All the higher reason

572
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: none of them look like us, None of them are

573
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Speaker 1: black family. So and and my question to Professor Robinson,

574
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Speaker 1: would that bothered the uh with that bother the players?

575
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Speaker 1: Would that be concerning the players? And let me just

576
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Speaker 1: throw this in before you finish your response, Professor Robinson.

577
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: A couple of teams they have minority owners like the Dolphins,

578
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: the Williams sisters of minority owners there along with j

579
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Speaker 1: Lowe and the ex Mark whatever Mark Anthony and also

580
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: Ross is the owner of that. He's he's a real

581
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: estate guy, friends with Donald Trump, real close friends. They

582
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Speaker 1: live in Palm Beach and the Denver Broncos were the

583
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: Walton family controls most of that, but they also have

584
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Speaker 1: some minority ownership there with former Secretary of State conn

585
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Speaker 1: of Lisa Rice. If you have an investment aerial investment

586
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: CEO Melody Hobson, and also Lewis Hamilton, the Formula one

587
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: former one Formula one race car driver out of the UK.

588
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: They're all part owners in that, but we don't have

589
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Speaker 1: any control. So these owners who decided to invest, you know,

590
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Speaker 1: select a head coach and they as Professor Robson and

591
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Speaker 1: it's the market of the Rooney rule where you're supposed

592
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Speaker 1: to interview these two blacks and two minorities, and before

593
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Speaker 1: you do that, they with perfunction and they just okay,

594
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: we're through it, and they really have no intention of

595
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: hiring one of us, so they hire their own. Some

596
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Speaker 1: of them are not a skillful of some of these

597
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Speaker 1: brothers out there who ran who head coaching ranks in

598
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Speaker 1: the NFL last season, the season prior, and still waiting

599
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Speaker 1: for a job. They have to take a secondary job.

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Speaker 1: So so, Professor Robinson, how will this impact that the

601
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Speaker 1: locker room? Though she said seventy percent of the players

602
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Speaker 1: are black, do you think that's just that will concern me?

603
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Speaker 1: Are they conscious black or they just you know, because

604
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Speaker 1: for what from the outside, it seems like they're gladiators

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Speaker 1: on a plantation and they assume what the plantation they

606
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Speaker 1: want to say. And that might be too strong, but

607
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Speaker 1: your thoughts.

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Speaker 8: I don't I don't think that, Uh, the players are

609
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Speaker 8: outwardly upset. Where you're going to hear them in the

610
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Speaker 8: media speaking about this issue. I think that you're going

611
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Speaker 8: to go hear rumblings about it, and they they notice

612
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 8: things just like we notice, and you know, they talk

613
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Speaker 8: about it among their families and they talk about it

614
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 8: in passing and it's they know that it's interesting, like

615
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Speaker 8: if you have to put yourself in the place of

616
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Speaker 8: a player who's got to negotiate with that team. Uh,

617
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 8: that's you know, you're not going to mess up your

618
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 8: business then your negotiating position by angering the people who

619
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Speaker 8: you have to negotiate with. But yet they still are

620
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Speaker 8: concerned because it makes a difference. I think it's for

621
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Speaker 8: outsiders to comment and people like yourself myself to to

622
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 8: push that issue. Uh. Players may make it their business

623
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Speaker 8: and private meetings with the ownership to express the way

624
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 8: that they feel. And that's an individual. But yes, I'm

625
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 8: sure it's just concerning on some level the the choicest.

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Speaker 1: Me here, Professor, because the same thing's going on in

627
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Speaker 1: the in the NBA. You know this is Michael Jordan

628
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: cashed out Richarlotte. There are no owners, major owners. You've

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Speaker 1: got a lot of minority owners. We know major owners

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Speaker 1: and some of the players, Professor, I'm sure he probably

631
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Speaker 1: show the story. They're considering starting their own league. They

632
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: feel they have enough cash and they feel that you

633
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Speaker 1: mentioned that if the NFL is seven percent of black,

634
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Speaker 1: the NBA is probably ninety or more, and they feel

635
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: they have wherewithal to start their ownly to rival the NBA.

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00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts you think that's possible.

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Speaker 8: I don't think that realistic in the way that the

638
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 8: NBA has positioned itself throughout the world. Uh, and the

639
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 8: fact that more of the players that are being promoted

640
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 8: in the NBA are international stars, more so than you know,

641
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 8: your your black stars in in in the game. I mean,

642
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Speaker 8: if you look at who's uh really receiving the notoriety

643
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Speaker 8: they're they're international players that have come from you know,

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Speaker 8: the international game, and it kind of has influenced the

645
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 8: current NBA game. So I don't know if that choice

646
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 8: would be wise, and it just it just doesn't make sense.

647
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 8: I think there are other ways to remedy that situation.

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Speaker 8: And I am not of the big in their class,

649
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Speaker 8: so I can't say I'm I'm gonna go buy a team,

650
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Speaker 8: But I think that as a people, we could easily

651
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Speaker 8: put money into a public fund and run a team.

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Speaker 8: I don't think that that's where that money is most

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Speaker 8: useful and purchasing an NBA team, but there's there are

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Speaker 8: other ways that It's all about the power of ownership.

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Speaker 8: That's where it's going to make a difference is the

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Speaker 8: people in charge and the mindset of those who are

657
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Speaker 8: in charge have to be different, Like we can't. You're

658
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Speaker 8: not going to get a different outcome. And based on

659
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Speaker 8: you know, the way things are currently discussed and considered.

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Speaker 1: Got you that ten away from the top before we

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Speaker 1: spak talk about the Super Bowl this weekend the Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 1: A lot of critiques on the Pro Bowl. For one

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Speaker 1: of the critiques as Sanders, I didn't think he was

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Speaker 1: he should he married selection to the Pro Bowl for

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Speaker 1: what he did and it became actually became the first

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Speaker 1: former HBCU quarterback when he was at Jackson State to

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Speaker 1: appear in the Pro Bowl since Steve mcneher. Some people

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Speaker 1: remember him all out closed State. They remember him back

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Speaker 1: in oh five first did should deserve to be part

670
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Speaker 1: of the Pro Bowl? To the Pro Bowl? Is the

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Speaker 1: cream of the crop of the football players in the

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Speaker 1: NFL and too some people said it was just a

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Speaker 1: waste of time because it used to be in Hawaii,

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Speaker 1: used to be the week before the Super Bowl, and

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Speaker 1: it was you know, it was it was just having

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Speaker 1: fun and he didn't get a lot of promotion, didn't

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Speaker 1: get a lot of eyes on watching it. This this

678
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Speaker 1: this week when when it happened. Your thoughts on the

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 8: I'm not a huge fan of the Pro Bowl. I

681
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Speaker 8: think it's something I think that the NFL needs to

682
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Speaker 8: do to do it promote its players. It's not necessarily

683
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Speaker 8: something that's special for TV. But I think that they

684
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Speaker 8: could do some other things around that game that involved,

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Speaker 8: you know, giving It shouldn't be a paid ticket event. Uh,

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Speaker 8: they should bust school children and and you know, have

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Speaker 8: different interactions with them during during the game, during that

688
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Speaker 8: game wherever they are locally and have the players do

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Speaker 8: some type of service and it just shouldn't. Shouldn't. Definitely,

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Speaker 8: the game's passed, it's.

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Speaker 10: TV prime.

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Speaker 8: They's just things evolved. Nobody's interested in that. The players

693
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Speaker 8: don't want to be in that because if you're getting hurt,

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Speaker 8: they they opt out. That should or deserves everything. He

695
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Speaker 8: you know, he had no he didn't select himself. So

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Speaker 8: if he was selected and he agreed to attend, need

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Speaker 8: deserves to be there. I don't you know, this is

698
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Speaker 8: a lot of things that just headlines these days, carul

699
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Speaker 8: They just just just to get to grab some attentions.

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Speaker 8: Some things just don't need to be discussed quite frankly,

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Speaker 8: I mean Chadors. There were other things that were more

702
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Speaker 8: pertinent that came along with Chardor's progress this season. In

703
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Speaker 8: the relationship with the Browns. I'm curious to see where

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Speaker 8: that evolves. But this is just a non issue, all right.

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Speaker 1: Shaving away from the top that Professor Edward Robson from

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Speaker 1: Morgan State University talking sports this morning, family, the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: Big Game, Sunday's more than a football game as usual,

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Speaker 1: your thoughts.

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Speaker 8: Make sure that we acknowledged the retirement of Pittsburgh Steelers

710
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Speaker 8: coach Mike Tommlin after nineteen seasons. We've talked a lot

711
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 8: about the Rooney would and about the coaches that weren't

712
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 8: higher during this cycle. Tomlin was an example of one

713
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Speaker 8: of those African American coaches who stood on his professionalism.

714
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Speaker 8: He was consistent over nineteen seasons. He never had a

715
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Speaker 8: losing regular season during his time as a head coach.

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Speaker 8: He took his team to two Super Bowls. In two

717
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Speaker 8: thousand and nine, he was the youngest at the time,

718
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Speaker 8: the youngest head coach to win a Super Bowl at

719
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Speaker 8: age thirty six. He was a players coach and for

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Speaker 8: the most part held his guys to just a really

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Speaker 8: high standard and he represented himself with and his family

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Speaker 8: with class. Just wanted to make sure we acknowledge that.

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Speaker 1: Oh, totally agree, totally agreed. A Super Bowl any any

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Speaker 1: any any team you favor and why?

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Speaker 8: But sure I knew you would get there. I'm picking

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Speaker 8: the Seahawks to win. He Uh, the Seattle Seahawks is

727
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Speaker 8: gonna you know, defeat the New England Patriots.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 8: And for no other reason than you know. Sam Donald

730
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Speaker 8: has been consistent for the much of the season, but

731
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Speaker 8: particularly down the stretch, and I like him his top

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Speaker 8: receiver options. I like Cooper Crubb and Jackson Smith and

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Speaker 8: Jig buff So. But the key here is they're gonna

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Speaker 8: have to give the ball to running back Kenneth Walker

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Speaker 8: the third and I think he's gonna get it done

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Speaker 8: for them if he's if he's gonna be the difference

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Speaker 8: in the game if they put a ball in his hands.

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Speaker 1: All right, Hold up, thorrdy. We got to check the

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Speaker 1: traffic and weather in our different cities when we come back, though.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the fact that Bill Belichick and Robert Craft,

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Speaker 1: the owner, Belichick the coach, who we're not inducting to

742
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Speaker 1: the NFL Hall of Fame. Do you think that don't

743
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Speaker 1: have any bearing impact on the team. Do you think

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Speaker 1: that will motivate the Patriots to play better because they'd

745
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Speaker 1: be like the world's against us. You know, two of

746
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Speaker 1: our folks were ignored and they should have been inducted

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Speaker 1: on the first round in the Hall of Fame. I

748
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Speaker 1: want you to address that as well. Let's give us

749
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Speaker 1: your analysis of how this game is going to play

750
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Speaker 1: out on Sunday. Family, what are your thoughts?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 1: Who do you like in the Super Bowl coming up Sunday?

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Speaker 1: You want to speak to our guest. His name is

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Speaker 1: Professor Edward Robinson, Edward Romson's name. He is a professor

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Speaker 1: at Morgan State University. You can reach him at eight

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Speaker 1: hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six. We'll

757
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Speaker 1: take your phone calls after we check the traffick and weather.

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Speaker 1: Now different cities. That's next and Grand Rising family, thanks

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Speaker 1: for starting your Thursday with us. Our guest is Professor

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Speaker 1: Edward Robinson from Morgan State University, returing sports. Of course,

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl is Sunday, and momentarily we're gonna speak

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Speaker 1: with Mark Fuller and Robert Gate. We're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about Neel Fuller Junior. But first it's rapper with Professor

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Speaker 1: Edward Robinson Adam Morgan state. So Professor Robinson again, do

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Speaker 1: you think what I mentioned before we left for the

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Speaker 1: trafficking weather updated the fact that Robert Kraft and also

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, two of the I guess most famous people

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Speaker 1: coming out of New England Patriots that were denied interests

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Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame. Do you think that will

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Speaker 1: galvanize the team as they're going to us against the

771
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Speaker 1: world kind of thing when they go into the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl game on Sunday.

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Speaker 8: No, I don't think. You don't have any correlation with

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Speaker 8: how the team performs. I think with Robert Kraft, when

775
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Speaker 8: when you look at owners and going into the Hall

776
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Speaker 8: of Fame, it's consistent with how the ballot has been

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Speaker 8: checked over over the years and people, the writers who

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Speaker 8: who vote for this type of thing have waited some

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Speaker 8: time to put coaches in. I do think Bill Belichick

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Speaker 8: was overlooked as a first time He has a remarkable

781
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Speaker 8: resume but a lack lester disposition. I'm not surprised that

782
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Speaker 8: he was overlooked because of his uh interaction with people.

783
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 8: It wasn't the right decision, but it's an interesting one,

784
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Speaker 8: kind of showing you how behavior comes back to kind

785
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Speaker 8: of haunt you in circumstances. Robert Kraft it can be

786
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Speaker 8: same the same for him, but I think it was

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Speaker 8: more of a historical since you know, owners with with

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Speaker 8: as many accolades as he has have had been asked

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Speaker 8: to wait in the past. So no no bearing on

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Speaker 8: this game from my perspective. I don't think the Patriots

791
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Speaker 8: pulled this one out, but I could be.

792
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Speaker 1: We want to venture a score for us, then settle.

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Speaker 10: With the score.

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Speaker 8: It's kind of tough. I think the biggest winner of

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Speaker 8: the Super Bowl, however, it's going to be the halftime

796
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Speaker 8: at uh Puerto Rican Rappers sing a Bad Bunny. You know,

797
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Speaker 8: he's coming off a Grammy win his album, you know,

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Speaker 8: for Album of the Year, his all Spanish album. He

799
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Speaker 8: doubled down with the anti Ice comments Ice out. I

800
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 8: think he's gonna he's the biggest winner uh in this

801
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Speaker 8: Super Bowl. Uh you know, it's just just for because

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00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 8: you asked me, Carl maybe Uh Seahawks thirty thirty seven,

803
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 8: Uh the Patriots thirty one?

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Speaker 1: A defensive game? Have you seen a defensive game?

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Speaker 8: Yeah? Yeah, absolutely it's gonna not as much scoring in

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Speaker 8: this game, but that's a lot of that's a lot

807
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Speaker 8: of points on both sides.

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Speaker 1: Enough, all right, thank you, professor, Thank you for sharing

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on sports with us this morning.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, it's been my pleasure called thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: All Right, that's Professor Edward Robson teachers at Mortgage State University,

812
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Speaker 1: through sports in the local newspapers in the Baltimore Year

813
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Speaker 1: and looking to talk about sports this morning. All right, family,

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Speaker 1: let's turn our attention now to our next guest. The

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Speaker 1: two guests the Mark Fuller, who was nearly Fuller's son,

816
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Speaker 1: and also Robert Gatewood. Robert was who was hosted the

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Speaker 1: mister Fuller's website. So, fellas grand Rising, welcome to the

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Speaker 1: program Green Riding. All right, let me start with Mark first. Mark,

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Speaker 1: tell us something about your dad. What was he like?

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Speaker 1: Because we knew him on the radio and we sort

821
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Speaker 1: of lionized him. He was He spoke truth the power

822
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Speaker 1: for many of us. You know, he told us and

823
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Speaker 1: taught us things he wouldn't tell us. He taught us

824
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Speaker 1: things about the code. He made as sure that the

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Speaker 1: other folks stay on they stay on code, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's come out and say straight

827
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Speaker 1: up race first and all of that. Like Garve died,

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Speaker 1: which is we have to have a code to kind

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Speaker 1: of balance what they are doing. Did he talk about

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Speaker 1: much like that in the home?

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Speaker 4: Yes, very much. So he believed that black people should

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Speaker 4: have what he believed what he called a code of conduct.

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Speaker 4: What do you do on a daily situation under the

834
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Speaker 4: system of white supremacy. He wanted it to be based

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Speaker 4: on logic and not emotion. He felt that black people

836
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Speaker 4: in general react to white supremacy emotionally based on how

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Speaker 4: a feel, and so he wrote this book as kind

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Speaker 4: of a manual he united independent compensatory system of thought, speech,

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Speaker 4: and action, and he intended to be a code of conduct.

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Speaker 1: Right. It was a workbook, and Robert You hosted his

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Speaker 1: his website. Did he talk to you much about the

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Speaker 1: code as well?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 12: This morning to be in talled I had the pledgure

845
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Speaker 12: of I would call it sitting at the feet of

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Speaker 12: mill of the last five years before he passed away.

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Speaker 12: And so I had the pleasure in honor of listening

848
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Speaker 12: to practically all of his shows because I was his

849
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Speaker 12: engineer as well, and so many of the things he

850
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Speaker 12: talked about. It was actually an extension of the three

851
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Speaker 12: books that he wrote. He wrote the book, the original book,

852
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Speaker 12: in nineteen eighty four, and then he wrote a Wordy

853
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Speaker 12: Gaid in twenty ten. Then he wrote the expanded edition

854
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Speaker 12: in twenty sixteen. So not only did he talk to me,

855
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Speaker 12: but he spoke to the audience very eloquently up until

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Speaker 12: his really last days. He did the last show on

857
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Speaker 12: his podcast back in December of twenty twenty four, So

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Speaker 12: he wasn't just speaking to me, but he was speaking

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Speaker 12: to an audience of listeners who were happy and honored

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Speaker 12: to be rewarded with his wisdom and so. But he

861
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 12: spoke in so many ways about injustice, and he had

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Speaker 12: his famous quote about what justice was about was making

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Speaker 12: sure that nobody is mistreated and making sure that those

864
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Speaker 12: that need help the most receive the most constructive help.

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Speaker 12: And that was one of his guiding principles, not only

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Speaker 12: in his show but in his daily life.

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Speaker 1: Are the podcasts still available Robert.

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Speaker 12: The podcast that's the other good thing called We Have Five?

869
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Speaker 12: When I worked with him as the engineer, we had

870
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 12: an archive of five years of his chose, which you

871
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 12: can get by going to produce Justice dot Com. They're

872
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 12: all on the website, and he talked on a variety

873
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 12: of topics. He talked about Martin Luther King, he talked

874
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,959
Speaker 12: about Black History Monk, he talked about protests, he talked

875
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 12: about politics in the nine Areas of Activity. So if

876
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 12: a good listen, particularly doing this Black History Monk, to

877
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 12: go back to produce Justice dot com and just go

878
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 12: to the archive and just listen to his shows. And

879
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 12: they were there phenomenal. And we do the show, by

880
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 12: the way, every Tuesday at nine am. We're still ongoing

881
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 12: during the show. We're going into the second year of

882
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 12: during the show since his passing. Myself and mister Bobby,

883
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 12: who was also his co host. We do the show

884
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 12: every Tuesday. Matter of fact, a good listen would be

885
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 12: the show we did yesterday. I mean on Tuesday, Well,

886
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 12: we talked about we talked about his legacy, and the

887
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 12: week before that we talked about his his views on

888
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 12: black history, and of course before that we talked about

889
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 12: his views on Martin Luther King. So it's a good

890
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 12: listening to anybody who wants to get a real feel

891
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 12: of what mister Fuller was actually about. He had his books,

892
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 12: but I consider his spoken word and extension of the

893
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 12: code itself.

894
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, ten half the tough They have family, Mark full

895
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: of nearly full of son and also Robert gate Rude,

896
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: who hosted his his website and his podcast. They were

897
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: us this morning. We're talking about Neeli Fuller made his

898
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: transition a year ago and Mark, you know, Robert mentioned

899
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: something about how he dealt with people who disagree with him.

900
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: Let me share with you brothers this. He was on

901
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: the are with us and somebody called up about Shopton

902
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 1: and I told the story before and he said shop

903
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: there's this, and shop terns that, and he did this,

904
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: and he was all upset and emotional and he asked

905
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 1: your dad, Marky, He says, well, what do you think?

906
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: And he says, mister Shopton said what he said? I

907
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: think I was look what was the most shopping said there?

908
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: And he went on, mister Shopton said what he said?

909
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: And because I knew that that was going to be

910
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: the response. It's trying to get black people to to

911
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: understand how to deal with each other. Uh did you

912
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: have Did you go through a lot with that? On

913
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: the personal level as father and son.

914
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 4: Mark, No, we we were pretty much on the same

915
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 4: page when it came to the issue of white supremacy,

916
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 4: and you know, in general, I think my only initial

917
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 4: problems I had with the concept was the term itself,

918
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 4: white supremacy. I think, like for most black people, it's

919
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 4: a term that emotionally rubbs you the wrong way. And

920
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 4: I was thinking, well, supreme, I mean, I just you know,

921
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 4: I just don't feel comfortable with that. And he used

922
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 4: to explain. He says, all right, well, what word would

923
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 4: you prefer, you know, I'm I said, well, prejudiced or

924
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 4: you know, and Justine, he said, no, you have to

925
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 4: you have to say what it is. If you can't

926
00:55:55,440 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 4: acknowledge the problem, you can't solve the problem. And you

927
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 4: have to use a term that's very specific. It's not

928
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 4: enough just to say the system or prejudiced, or are

929
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 4: making about an individual. He always saw it as an

930
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 4: entire system, a global system, and you have to use

931
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 4: the correct terms. And once he explained it to me

932
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:31,959
Speaker 4: in that context, then I gradually came around.

933
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: All of us. It takes a while, you know, to

934
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: understand what it is, the system of racism, white supremacy.

935
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: People a pause, and it's about supreme and that's where

936
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: people get hung up and it'd all explained. It's the

937
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: system of racism, white supremacy. Robert. You talked to him

938
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: a lot about this. What did he say about that?

939
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 12: Well, one thing that he said called was that he

940
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 12: said that he felt that all victims of racism deserve

941
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 12: to be heard and that their opinions met it. Matter

942
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 12: of fact, he coined a phrase an acronym called VGQ,

943
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 12: which stands with victim guaranteed qualification. In other words, don't argue,

944
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 12: because he was very against non constructive activity. So when

945
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 12: you have black people, non white people arguing against each other,

946
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 12: it's caused confusion and it was very non constructive. So

947
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 12: he understood this. So when you look at somebody, somebody

948
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 12: who's somebody agreed with Revenez choppedun or if somebody else

949
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 12: have a different opinion, he said, this arguing among each

950
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 12: other was counterproductive. It was not constructed, and that's why

951
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 12: he took it personally so much so that he felt

952
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 12: he had to come up with a praise to give

953
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 12: people a right to disagree because this, like Mark said,

954
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 12: he didn't he didn't like the word supreme. I didn't

955
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 12: agree with one hundred percent of everything mister Buller said,

956
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 12: but he gave us grace. He gave us the right

957
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 12: in his own opinion, to say you don't have to agree,

958
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 12: just don't fight about it. And the cost you have

959
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 12: this victims guaranteed qualification. Then he's given you a pass.

960
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 12: So when I do his show, I tell the audience, look,

961
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 12: I'm not here to parent mister Buller. I'm not here

962
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 12: to to rubber staff everything he says, and like they

963
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 12: argue about it, I'm giving my own opinion, and.

964
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 5: I think that's the way we should move forward.

965
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 12: As people is not argue against each other, but understand

966
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 12: that as victims, we all have a right to speak

967
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 12: out of our own experience and how we impacted in

968
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 12: this system of racism.

969
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: And you know what, that's a key point. Family, just

970
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: checking in, I guess Mark Fuller, Neelie full Of son

971
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: and also Robert Gate we're who hosted his website and

972
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: his podcast, and we're talking about Neelie Fuller made his

973
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: transition a year ago, I think this week on next

974
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: last week, But anyway, we're discussing Neely full and one

975
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: of the things he said is talking to me about arguing.

976
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: And doctor Welson also emphasized that we should not argue

977
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: with each other. If if, if somebody wants to argue

978
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: with you, goodbye, I'll talk to you later. You know.

979
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: It seems like, yeah, it seems like as black folks,

980
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: you have a propensity they want to debate, they wanted

981
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: to argue, and once once they startling that i'll see

982
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: you later, we'll talk later, and no hard feelings, but

983
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: just not going to argue. And I found that very refreshing. Marky,

984
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: you want to say something, go ahead.

985
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 4: Well no, he he wanted he wanted black folks to

986
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 4: remain focused. The problem is white supremacy. It's not each other.

987
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 4: And he firmly believes that going after each other is

988
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 4: not going to solve the problem. You have to remain focused.

989
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 4: He wanted black folks to remain focused on the issue

990
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 4: of white supremacy. And if you remain focused, then there's

991
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 4: no need for conflict with each other.

992
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: Well said Robert. Been picking up him from there because

993
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: this is this is what he talks about, and he

994
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: talks about that we're all in a prison and a

995
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: mental prison, and we're all fighting amongst each other. Where

996
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: we never fin against the warden, we never attacked the warden,

997
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: and he used that to to you know, to explained

998
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: to the audience just what Mark said that the fight

999
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: is not against each each other. We're not your brother's

1000
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: not your enemy. How did he explain that to you?

1001
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: Because you got you were new and on a more

1002
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: intimate basis where they were on the radio, Issuan talk

1003
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: on a podcast. So how did they explain that that

1004
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: that issue to you?

1005
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 12: Well, he spoke often about how we were we were

1006
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 12: in this prison camp and we're just prisoners of war.

1007
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 12: And I remember this one story he spoke about vividly

1008
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 12: about how you can't run from this thing, you can't

1009
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 12: outrun it. And he used this parent this analogy of

1010
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,919
Speaker 12: somebody in like a colosseum, like in the old days

1011
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 12: when the Romans sit around and throw people in the

1012
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 12: colosseum for entertainment. He says, it's like you're in a

1013
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 12: colosseum and as a bull chasing, and he said, you

1014
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 12: can run from that bull as much as you like.

1015
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 12: You can run, run, run, He said, at some point

1016
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 12: you can help to turn around and face that bull.

1017
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 12: He said, you're gonna ge God anyway, one way or

1018
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 12: the other. He said, So he said very comically, he said,

1019
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 12: let's turn around and let's raffle. So he made no

1020
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 12: bones about the fact that we are in a system

1021
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 12: and then you can run from it if you wish,

1022
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 12: but no matter how much you run, you are not

1023
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 12: going to outrun it. So at some point you're gonna

1024
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 12: have to turn around and face it and fight this

1025
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 12: bull called racism and white supremacy. So he was very

1026
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 12: anogolous when he gave examples. And that was the other

1027
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 12: thing I admired about him as I listened to his

1028
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 12: shows for the past five years as he's a producer,

1029
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 12: is that he was very vivid. He was an excellent storyteller.

1030
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 12: You know, nowadays, in the current times, you know, with

1031
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,479
Speaker 12: the age of social media, storytelling is a hot thing

1032
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 12: right now. So I had great appreciation for that his

1033
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 12: storytelling abilities because he made it plain, he broke it down,

1034
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 12: he didn't fancy it up. And that example about the

1035
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 12: bull was just one of the many anecdotes that he

1036
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 12: would tell on his shows, like say, which we can

1037
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 12: also listen to on his website at codusjeffic dot com.

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01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: All right, hold off, athoraight there, I got some folks

1039
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: want to talk to you. Already, family, you want to

1040
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: join this conversation with discussing Neely Fuller the anniversary of

1041
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: his transition, with his son Mark Fuller and Robert Gatewood,

1042
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: who produced his podcast. You can reach out to us

1043
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four to five zero seventy eight seventy

1044
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: six and no ticket phone calls next and Grand Rising family,

1045
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: thanks for starting your Thursday with us. We are on

1046
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: with Mark Fuller and Robert Gatewood discussing Neely Fuller Junior.

1047
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: Mark is his son, Robert hosted his podcast and many

1048
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: of you've heard Neely Fuller here on the radio. He

1049
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: was larger than live for many of us. Discussing this book,

1050
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: I just call it code. That's the short name that

1051
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: he said to If you want this book, just search

1052
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: for the code. Before we go, we'll Robert will tell

1053
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: you how you can get the code and how you

1054
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: can get this the podcast. They're still doing this podcast

1055
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: and Neely full of Junior. Cliff is callings from Connecticut

1056
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: has a question for both of you fellas he's online

1057
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: three Grand Rising Cliff, You're on with Mark and Robert

1058
01:02:58,520 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: very Riser.

1059
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 13: By the columns, you get the word and the topic

1060
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 13: of racism has been brought up, and I just want

1061
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 13: to get a clarification because brother Carl, to you and

1062
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 13: to the guest, white supremacy, white racism, This is a

1063
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 13: system preme me for wrong, that benefits white people. So

1064
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 13: they wouldn't have the existence of white supremacy or white

1065
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 13: racism if they didn't benefit from it.

1066
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 14: However, people get confused black people thinking that black people

1067
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 14: can be racist. So if in fact that is true,

1068
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 14: how does black racism benefit black people?

1069
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: All right, let's get them going to respond, Robert o'mark,

1070
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:43,919
Speaker 1: you want to respond to cliff question.

1071
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 12: Thank you, Cliff, Well, I got worry about.

1072
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 4: Well, I just go to the Code book. White supremacy

1073
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 4: means just that white supremacy. There's no such a thing

1074
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 4: as black supremacy or black racism. Two supremacies cannot occupy

1075
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 4: the same space.

1076
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 5: Period.

1077
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 4: It's just a logical conclusion that he came to. And

1078
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 4: so there is only one system of supremacy and that's

1079
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 4: white supremacy.

1080
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 12: And yeah, I'll have I have to agree with that.

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Speaker 12: There has been some debate about that. Some people, particularly

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Speaker 12: on the other side, people tend to say, well, anybody

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01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 12: can be racist. So when you look at racism at

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01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 12: its core, there's a global system that feeds on the

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01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 12: mistreatment of others, particularly non white people, and so people

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01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 12: play with those words. They use it as a distraction

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01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 12: in something some way to confuse people. But this racism.

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Speaker 12: Some people look at racism as a as a as

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01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 12: a means to an end, but actually racism is an

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01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 12: end of itself. It is built on the mistreatment of

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Speaker 12: people who are non white. And so mister Fuller and

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01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 12: he spoke logic that racism is white supremacy, and white

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01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 12: supremacy is racism.

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Speaker 1: That's right. He also said, we use logic to solve

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01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: your problems. First, you got to know what the problem is.

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Speaker 1: Twenty four after the top, they out with Mark Fuller,

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01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: Nearly full of Son and Robert Gate with Robert hosted

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Speaker 1: a Needy Fuller's podcasts, and they're still available. Bobby's reaching

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01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: out to us. Bob's in Buffalo. He's on Line four

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01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: A Grand Rising Bobby on with Mark and Robert.

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Speaker 15: Yes, Sirs, A Blessed Love family. I think I have

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Speaker 15: an alternative term for white supremacy, that is euro Peon domination.

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01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 15: Euro peon domination. I was wondering what the brothers think

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01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 15: of that.

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Speaker 12: Hey, yeah, I'll tell you what I actually like the

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01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 12: the way you're thinking. I like your logic, the way

1107
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 12: you approach this, and I think we need more of

1108
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 12: that type of thinking. We don't want to be boxed

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01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 12: into one way of thinking. Mister Fuller didn't like that,

1110
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 12: and I don't like it. So if you have an

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01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 12: approach as a fellow victim, as a fellow person in

1112
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 12: the prison yard of this global system, I say, take

1113
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 12: that and build upon it, but don't just talk about it.

1114
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 12: Take it and go do something with it. Mister Fuller

1115
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 12: was about action, It was about problem solving, and you

1116
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 12: would I would run. I was out ask anybody who

1117
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 12: has any suggestions today, is to run a through this filter?

1118
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 12: Is it going to help solve problems? And so your

1119
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 12: approach to coming up with a different nomenclature for the system.

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Speaker 12: I have a few a few names of my own

1121
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 12: that I've thrown out about and I've thrown about, but

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01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 12: I encourage I encourage that kind of thinking.

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Speaker 1: Got you twenty five The Tough Family with Robert Gatory

1124
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: just heard he produces a needly full of podcast and

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01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: they're still available. And Mark Fuller, who is his son,

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01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: and were discussing a needing full on the universe of

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01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: his transition. Many of you listening to this program for

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01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: a while, I have heard it needing for us. They

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01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 1: almost have talked about justice or true justice. Mark and

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01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 1: Robert should stop with mart Freshwood. What is his definition

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01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 1: of true justice?

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01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 3: Well?

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01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 5: True?

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Speaker 4: Well, he wouldn't Well, according to the Cold Book, he

1135
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 4: wouldn't say true justice. He would just say there's only

1136
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 4: justice and non justice. And Robert, you can pick up on.

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Speaker 12: Yes, well, he would state this matter of fact. This

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01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 12: was part of his signature. One of his signature phrase

1139
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 12: is his truth meant is meaning of justice? It was,

1140
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 12: and he beat this drum from practically every show, and

1141
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 12: every time I heard him speak it came up. At

1142
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 12: some point he said, justice about is about don't mistreat anyone.

1143
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 12: And he was big about that. This is something he

1144
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 12: cared not only on the show, but I've heard Mark

1145
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 12: talk about some of the stories and his early life.

1146
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 12: That you don't mistreat people. That was the first part

1147
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 12: of justice. The second part was to make sure that

1148
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 12: those who need help the most receive the most constructive help.

1149
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 12: So I ask people, when you're confronted with what you're

1150
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:21,560
Speaker 12: seeing taking place, now on the national stage internationally, and

1151
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 12: run it through the prism of what mister Fuller calls justice.

1152
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 12: If you see what's happening with the dismountling of DEI

1153
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 12: and the AA programs and the programs that have been

1154
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 12: put in place to historically help people who've been disenfranchised

1155
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 12: and marginalized, you ask yourself if this justice? And the

1156
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:46,560
Speaker 12: answer comes back a resounding note. So when you get confused,

1157
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 12: when you're unsure about what's happening and is justice being served,

1158
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 12: ask yourself this simple question, if anyone being mistreated? And

1159
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 12: are those who need to help the most getting the

1160
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 12: most constructive help? When you start talking about giving tax

1161
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 12: cuts to billionaires and people like that, we're actually nationalizing

1162
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 12: and formalizing injustice in a major way.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's do that twenty a half A tough

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01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: al Robert. How would he see what the ICE rates now?

1165
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: Because you know there's a big discussion in our community

1166
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: whether or not we should sit it out or whether

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01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 1: we should support of the people who are being affected

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01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: by ICE rating them going into their schools and churches.

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01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: How do you think mister Fuller would see this?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 12: Like I said, if I running through the prism of justice.

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01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:40,719
Speaker 12: If you're cheating people in the face, you're cheating people

1173
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:44,679
Speaker 12: who are protesting, If you're pulling people out of their cause,

1174
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 12: if you're people taking people who are trying to go

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01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 12: to school to go to work, that's mistreatment, that's in

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01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 12: just and according to logic, those things will not be

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Speaker 12: acceptable to mister Fuller. Now, I I learned over the

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Speaker 12: years of call and that mister Fuller did not speak

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01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 12: precisely on every possible topic under the sun, but he

1180
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 12: laid down a foundation, a framework of how we can

1181
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 12: overlay and contextualize some of the things that are happening.

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01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 12: And I would say, I'm not going to try to

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01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 12: speak for mister Fuller. I can only speak for his

1184
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 12: worry that he laid he left for us is that

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01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 12: this is mistreatment. This is and then of course some

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01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 12: people are saying like you said cause some people saying,

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01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 12: well we shun set.

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Speaker 11: This one out.

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Speaker 12: Well, this is not mister Fuller talking, this is mine talking.

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Speaker 12: That I remember the uh the guy from Germany and

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01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 12: Mia Mahler who said, first they came for the machinists,

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01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 12: then they came for this group, they came for that

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01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 12: group to finally they came for me. Don't think by

1194
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 12: And I'm not saying go out here and get in

1195
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 12: the way and have ice beaty overhead, because we know

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01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 12: that we like, at least in the present, this might

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01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 12: not be our fight, but there are other ways we

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01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 12: can support what's going on. We can there's a natural

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Speaker 12: support that all other types of support if I put

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01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 12: yourself on the front line. But this is indeed, I

1201
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 12: wur fight as well because we know that eventually, like

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01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 12: the guy nelm Alla said, eventually they came from me

1203
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 12: and there was nobody left to help me out.

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Speaker 4: Go ahead, Mark, Yeah, Well, he believed in looking at

1205
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 4: every situation through a series of questions and answers, and

1206
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 4: he would simply start off with the premise who are immigrants?

1207
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 4: He always believed. And you first have to use the

1208
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 4: correct words. You know, you have to look at the

1209
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 4: words that are being used, you know from a white

1210
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 4: supremacist perspective. Now, when you say immigrants, who are you

1211
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 4: talking about? Is he? Is he talking about black people?

1212
01:11:55,600 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 4: Who is being deported? Start there the white people or

1213
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 4: is it non white people? Just very basic questions. You

1214
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:09,599
Speaker 4: just start with the very basics and if you look

1215
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 4: at the basics as obvious. Who's being deported and there's

1216
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 4: your ana.

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01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know what, Let let me ask you

1218
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: this make did every issue like that when as father's son?

1219
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 1: Is that how he dissected it or if you had

1220
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 1: an issue when you got him dad?

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01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was very particular about words and the use

1222
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:41,599
Speaker 4: of words. He believed in the precision of words. And

1223
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 4: so where it's like immigrants, well we vaguely know what

1224
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 4: that means, but he always wanted people to look at

1225
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 4: it from a white supremacist perspective. What is an immigrant?

1226
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 4: What color are the immigrants? Are they French people, Swedes? Norwegian?

1227
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:14,680
Speaker 4: Who is being deported? Just a simple question and that

1228
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 4: will lead to to where you need to go and

1229
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 4: understanding the system white supremacy.

1230
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 1: All right. Twenty eight away from the top there, that's

1231
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,839
Speaker 1: Mark Fuller Neely full Of son and also Robert Gatewood,

1232
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 1: who produces his podcasts discussing Neilie full of Junior This

1233
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:34,599
Speaker 1: morning Family. You've heard him here many times on this program,

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01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 1: and this is the anniversary of his transition. That's why

1235
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 1: we're discussing Neely full Of Junior. It's legacy continues, especially

1236
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: with both of these brothers keeping that legacy going. You know,

1237
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,600
Speaker 1: let me ask Robert, because you know, at times he

1238
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 1: talked about doctor Franciscus Welson, she always mentioned Neelie Fuller

1239
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 1: whenever she talked to her. She sort of picked up

1240
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 1: the baton of raising some white supremacy through the icy's

1241
01:13:57,439 --> 01:13:59,679
Speaker 1: papers and pushed that out. And she was out in front.

1242
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 1: But you're was credited nearly full of for coming up

1243
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: with the phrase and the idea and explaining it to us.

1244
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 1: And she tried to explain it a little differently, but

1245
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 1: so that more we could understand it a little more easier.

1246
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:13,640
Speaker 1: Robert did he did he on these podcasts? Did he

1247
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 1: mention the doctor Wilson, Well, he.

1248
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 12: Spoke about doctor Westling, but he was very clear that

1249
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 12: and I guess this also goes with his way of

1250
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 12: thinking that doctor Welson does what he does. He did

1251
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 12: what he did. Now they were interested what there was

1252
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 12: some concentricity where they overlapped, but he wanted to make

1253
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 12: a clear distinction that they were working independently, accepted of

1254
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 12: each other, even though there was a mentor mentor mentee

1255
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 12: ship going on. A lot of the uh, doctor Welson

1256
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 12: gave mister Fuller much credit of many of her ways

1257
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 12: of thinking, uh, the way she talked about and the

1258
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:55,640
Speaker 12: books she wrote, the ICE's papers. So she had a

1259
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 12: lot of regard for him and a lot of people

1260
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 12: that follow mister Fuller also followed Dodor Welston and so

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01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 12: Mark can probably addressed that also.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, go ahead tell you Mark.

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01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:08,679
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 4: Doctor Wilson question, Well, they collaborated. It was because it

1265
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 4: was actually doctor Wilson who gave him the idea of

1266
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 4: actually putting the code together. The original code book was

1267
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 4: a collection of notes that he carried around in an

1268
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 4: orange suitcase and he one day showed it to doctor

1269
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 4: Wilson and she looked it over and she said, you know,

1270
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 4: you really need to put this in a form of

1271
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 4: a book. And so he gathered up all his notes

1272
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 4: and put it together book for him, and that was

1273
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 4: sort of the genesis of the book form of the code.

1274
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 4: That was really that really came from doctor Wilson. She

1275
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 4: really pushed him to put his ideas in a book form.

1276
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:21,679
Speaker 4: So that's how that came about.

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01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 1: I got to ask you this though both of you

1278
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 1: fellas this what was your thoughts about recognition and praise?

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01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 1: Since we were talking about doctor Wilson. I know he

1280
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 1: had a lot of respect for doctor Wilson, But what

1281
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 1: was your thoughts about you know, recognition, people who seeking recognition,

1282
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 1: people are seeking praise.

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01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 10: Well, heh hey, Robert Well.

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01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 5: I would say this.

1285
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 8: He was.

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01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 12: He really wanted us about workhip. He wrote workhip because

1287
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 12: he felt that personality praise actually created computing. But what

1288
01:16:57,439 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 12: he asked what to do instead was to examine the

1289
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 12: behavior of the person. After person made sense, then use

1290
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 12: it and if they didn't, discard that he was not

1291
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 12: He said, no lawyerty was required, only logic, and he

1292
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 12: included himself. He said, don't follow the person. I remember

1293
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:19,839
Speaker 12: he said that very vividly. Don't follow the person, including himself,

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Speaker 12: because he said he was a fellow prisoner, a fellow

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Speaker 12: victim himself. He said, follow the logic he spoke. He

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Speaker 12: spoke about Martin Luther King. And I will tell interest

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Speaker 12: the story about Martin Luther King. On the heels of

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Speaker 12: his his birthday, somebody called into the show and asked

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Speaker 12: him about what he felt about doctor Martin Luther King,

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Speaker 12: and him answers kind of surprised me. He said, I

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Speaker 12: was listening to some shows. I think he was listening

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Speaker 12: to Radio one, I think TBS and a few other places,

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Speaker 12: and he said, I listened to doctor King's speeches most

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Speaker 12: of the day, and he said they were absolutely excellent, excellent.

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Speaker 12: He loved the speeches. He said it caused him to

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Speaker 12: do a lot of thinking. Now he's not praising him,

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01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 12: but he said it caused him to do a lot

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Speaker 12: of thinking. And he said, we should all listen to

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Speaker 12: doctor King's speeches because they were very informative. Matter of fact,

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Speaker 12: he said, very very very informative, and they were also inspirational.

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Speaker 12: He really admired the fact that doctor King kept going

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Speaker 12: in spite of the challenges. He said, somebody bombs your house,

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Speaker 12: and you keep on keeping on. So he said, because

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Speaker 12: it push it, It kept pushing him towards his the

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Speaker 12: assignment that his creator had assigned him. He said, each

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Speaker 12: of us have an assignment.

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Speaker 6: So he was.

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Speaker 12: He was somewhat not into the hero worshiping camp, but

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01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 12: some of the people that he admired were he would

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Speaker 12: speak fondly of because in many cases it aligned with

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Speaker 12: the way he saw his view of the world.

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Speaker 1: Right and hold that thought right there, Robert, we got

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Speaker 1: to step aside and get caught up with the latest news, trafficing,

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Speaker 1: weather and differen seas. When we come back, I'll let

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01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 1: you finish your thought. I also want to hear from

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Speaker 1: Mark on that particular issue as well. Family. Just checking

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Speaker 1: in Mark Fuller, Neely full Of son, who is with us,

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Speaker 1: Robert Gatewood who produced his podcast discussing Neely Fuller on

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Speaker 1: the anniversary of his passing. What are your thoughts eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and four or five zero seventy eight seventy six,

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Speaker 1: get you in ticket calls after we check the news.

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Speaker 1: That's next and grand Rising family, Happy Thursday to you.

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Speaker 1: Discussing Neely Fuller Junior made his transition a year ago.

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Speaker 1: This week with us we have his son, Mark Fuller,

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Speaker 1: and also Robert Gatewood, who did his podcast. Before we

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Speaker 1: go back to them, well, let me just remind you, oh,

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Speaker 1: of course, we got to offer our condolences to the family,

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Speaker 1: the friends and the fans of Lamon Maclamore, one of

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Speaker 1: the founding members of the Fifth Dimension. It's also a

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Speaker 1: professional pho photographer as well. He made his transition two

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Speaker 1: days ago. Lamont Maclamore was ninety years young. Coming up

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Speaker 1: later this morning, we'll speak with Grill Professor James small

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01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 1: and of course tomorrow's Friday, we're going to give you

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01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 1: a chance to free your mind. All that means it's

1345
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 1: this thing for yourself. You can reach us at our

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01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 1: open Phone Friday program. We start promptly at six am

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01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 1: Eastern time right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB

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Speaker 1: and also on the TMV on fourteen fifteen w L.

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Speaker 1: All right before we left, was discussing nearly full of

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Speaker 1: what he jun what he thought about doctor King. So Roberte,

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Speaker 1: I'll let you finish your thought and margive you chiming

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01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:23,679
Speaker 1: as well if you want.

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Speaker 12: Thank you, Carled at first I want to send my

1354
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 12: condoltatates you to the family of Lamont McLamore. Sorry to

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01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 12: hear about that. As I was saying, Carl, you asked

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01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 12: about praise and recognition. But basically what mister phil this

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01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 12: is what I took from what he says that if

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Speaker 12: the person is what the person said makes sense, then

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Speaker 12: use it, but you don't praise personally. And I used

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Speaker 12: doctor King as the example. He was very appreciative of

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Speaker 12: the fact that doctor King was very inspirational and he

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01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 12: was this key on keeping on and he brought up

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Speaker 12: the example if somebody bomb how somebody would bomb your

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01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:08,440
Speaker 12: house and you'd still keep on going. So he was selected.

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Speaker 12: He didn't just praise people, but he if you did

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01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 12: something that was worthy of recognition, or if he thought

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01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 12: was useful, then you'd do that. But this blanket praise

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Speaker 12: of somebody who just because they have a big name

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01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 12: or they're well some people might you know, call a

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Speaker 12: fan of fandom, He was not in favor.

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Speaker 1: Of that at all, all right, Mark, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: He he didn't really believe in the cult of personality.

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01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 4: It's it's He felt that it was perfectly fine to

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01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 4: acknowledge the uh, the work of black people such as

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Speaker 4: doctor Martin, Luther King and Malcolm X, but he felt

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Speaker 4: that too much emphasis was put but on celebrating the

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Speaker 4: person and not focusing on the problem that they were

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Speaker 4: trying to solve. The reason why these men and women

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01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 4: are iconic is because they took on a job that

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Speaker 4: nobody wants. You know, Black people want to do all

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Speaker 4: sorts of things, but they don't want to do it's

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Speaker 4: tackle a system of white supremacy because it's a big problem,

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01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 4: and it's a problem that they can get you killed,

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01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:35,839
Speaker 4: and and there's no money in it. So when someone

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Speaker 4: like doctor King comes along and says, I'll take that job.

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Speaker 4: I'll take on white supremacy. I will try to do

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Speaker 4: my best to eliminate white supremacy. Black people understand that

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Speaker 4: that is an awesome task. And that's why we admire him,

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01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 4: because nobody wants that job, but he's But you should.

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Speaker 4: You should focus on the fact, focus on what the

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01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 4: problem he was trying to solve. It's okay to celebrate

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01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:13,640
Speaker 4: the person, but it should dovetail immediately into picking up

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Speaker 4: the baton of what he was trying to solve, not

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Speaker 4: just to simply say he was a great man and

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01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 4: then you clap and sit down.

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Speaker 1: Great, I got you, Mark I got and Robert god

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01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 1: tweet question. Tweeter said, grand rising to your guests. I

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01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 1: am a follower of Nearly Full of Junior, and one

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Speaker 1: of the hardest things I find is when I tell

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Speaker 1: people about his famous quote, they find it difficult to comprehend.

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01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 1: I understand it and often quote it, but others find

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01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 1: it difficult. Could you break it down in its clearest

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01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 1: terms what he meant and that is his famous quote.

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01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:52,639
Speaker 1: If you don't understand racism, white supremacy, everything you think,

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01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 1: you understand will only serve the confuser confuse you. Is

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01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 1: there a way to explain that quote more clear for

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01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 1: the people who don't understand it's a thanks for the answer,

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01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,760
Speaker 1: and that's the treat it.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I'll take a step of that. Well, and I

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01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 12: look at this as we as we meanding through our

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01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 12: daily lives, we are confronted with sometimes mountains of problems.

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01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 12: Sometimes we're beating our heads against the wall. Well, we're

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01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 12: we're scratching our heads. We're trying to figure out why

1414
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 12: certain things are happening. So you may look at the TV.

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01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 12: You scream at the TV. So I don't understand why

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01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 12: such and such. I don't understand why they're doing that.

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01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 12: I don't understand this, that and the other. But what

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Speaker 12: this quote basically is saying is that the reason you

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01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 12: might not understand that is because you don't understand the

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01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 12: power and impact of this system of racism. Because at

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01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 12: the root of many of the problems that we have,

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01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 12: whether it's the election, whether it's politics or the economics,

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01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 12: whether there's education, you go through the nine areas of activity,

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01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 12: the underlying cause of many of the problem that we

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01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:05,679
Speaker 12: see on a day to day basis can be laid

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01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,720
Speaker 12: right at the foot of racism. And so that's the

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Speaker 12: way I interpect that phrase. If you don't understand how

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01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:16,480
Speaker 12: it works, then the thing that you thought you understood

1429
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 12: are only going to confuse it. And so that's the

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Speaker 12: way I break it down much my daily life, because

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01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 12: sometimes I'm looking at something myself and saying, and I

1432
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 12: hear people saying this to me, I don't understand this.

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01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 12: I'm saying to myself, I understand because I understand the

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Speaker 12: impact and the power of racism.

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Speaker 4: What about you, Mark Well, it goes back to what

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01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 4: he always said in the Code book, the use of words.

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01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:48,440
Speaker 4: You have to first use the correct terminology. White supremacy

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01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:52,120
Speaker 4: is racism. Racism is white supremacy. That's what he wrote

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01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 4: in the book. And what that does It focused the mind.

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01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 4: It keeps you focused. And once you say focus on

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01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 4: the problem, then you can solve the problem. But if

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01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 4: you're not using the correct words, if you're using vague

1443
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:17,439
Speaker 4: terms like discrimination, inequities, prejudice, well that can mean just

1444
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 4: about anything. But he put it on the cover of

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01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 4: the book Victims of Racism white Supremacy. That keeps you focused,

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01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:34,400
Speaker 4: It gives you clarity on what you're dealing.

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Speaker 1: With me, she fellas, it's nine away from the toffee.

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01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:41,680
Speaker 1: And not everybody agreed with mister Fuller. So how did

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01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:44,280
Speaker 1: you relate to people who disagreed with him? Robert, I'll

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01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 1: let you go first.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, DQ.

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01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 12: He made it simple, victim guarantee qualification. And because we

1453
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 12: would be doing the show and some people would call in.

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01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:01,560
Speaker 12: I remember one one day and he talked about this.

1455
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:03,600
Speaker 12: He talked about the seven occasions this lady called it in.

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01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:04,559
Speaker 5: He hadn't let us have it.

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Speaker 12: I mean, she was you an all Canna found language.

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01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 12: And so mister Biber, the co host, mutty. He asked

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Speaker 12: what she would cut her off? And so I'm back

1460
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 12: in engineer's booths, I said. So we asked mister Fuller,

1461
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 12: I put him on. Put it, put everybody on hold

1462
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:19,639
Speaker 12: at the shore going. But in the background, I asked mister Fuller,

1463
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 12: he said, put her on. He said, she is a

1464
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Speaker 12: victim and she has the right to say what she

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Speaker 12: had to say. So he was very plain about that, BGQ.

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Speaker 12: All victims of this system have a right to redress

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Speaker 12: the problems they have and how they plan to resolve it.

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Speaker 1: M Yeah, but Mark, many of us stilling know where

1469
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 1: victims though? Is that the issue is that? Is that

1470
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Speaker 1: the starting point? You first you got to recognize that

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Speaker 1: you're a victim.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you first have to recognize you're a victim. And

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Speaker 4: I know that's difficult or people to acknowledge, you know, victim,

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01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 4: white suprema to see it mostly rubs black people the

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01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 4: wrong way. You know, I'm not a victim, and it's okay, fine,

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01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 4: if you figure out a way to not be subject

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Speaker 4: to this system, then you should let people know so

1478
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:19,639
Speaker 4: we can be done with this problem. Because not enough

1479
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 4: to just to simply say I'm not a victim. You

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Speaker 4: have to solve the problem.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's deep right there, what you just said.

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01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:33,639
Speaker 1: And you're absolutely correct, because they say I'm not a victim,

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01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 1: White people are not supreme over me. They go down

1484
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 1: that road. Are they missing it entirely? What your dad

1485
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 1: was trying to convey.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's like saying I don't have cancer. It's like,

1487
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 4: all right, you don't have cancer, but millions of people do.

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Speaker 4: That doesn't solve the problem. You know, you can't look

1489
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Speaker 4: at it as simply as an individual thing. He saw

1490
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 4: it as a global system that will affect you either

1491
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:11,480
Speaker 4: directly or indirectly. But just to simply say I individually

1492
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 4: don't have this problem does not solve the problem.

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Speaker 12: Because I look at it as the difference between victim

1494
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 12: and victim hood. Because if somebody shot you, you're a victim.

1495
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:27,720
Speaker 12: Whether you care to jump up and run around and

1496
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 12: say it it didn't hurt me, I'm going to keep moving.

1497
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:33,559
Speaker 12: If you're a shot, your shot. Now, some people handle

1498
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,760
Speaker 12: it differently. Some people language and victim hood and they

1499
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:41,320
Speaker 12: make excuses and they immobilizes them, while other people may

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01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 12: take it and use it as a stepping stone. So

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01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 12: but that does not take away from the fact you

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01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:50,560
Speaker 12: are a victim. If you're in this system. There's a

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01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 12: good likelihood that you're going to be victimized at some

1504
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:55,679
Speaker 12: point for almost one hundred percent chance if you're going

1505
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 12: into this system. But how you deal with it is

1506
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 12: an individual will approach. You can do language and victim hood,

1507
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:04,759
Speaker 12: or you can move forward, get up and doun yourself

1508
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 12: off and move forward. And I can encourage people don't

1509
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:09,840
Speaker 12: language in victim hood, but you have to admit the

1510
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:11,599
Speaker 12: fact that they don't take away from the fact that

1511
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:12,559
Speaker 12: you are a victims.

1512
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 4: Right, And the code book is written under the assumption

1513
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:23,719
Speaker 4: that the problem is solvable. That's the key thing to understand.

1514
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 4: He was at the end of the day. He was

1515
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 4: very optimistic about this problem being solved. So there's no

1516
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 4: reason to feel if you are a victim, there's no

1517
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:39,680
Speaker 4: reason to feel any kind of despair or hopelessness about it.

1518
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:42,719
Speaker 4: Because he wrote the book as he felt that anything

1519
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:46,679
Speaker 4: that could be put together by man could be taken apart.

1520
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 1: Wow, hold, I thought right there, we got to check

1521
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 1: trafficking weather in that different cities. Nearly full of Junior

1522
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 1: here as he heard from the voice of his son.

1523
01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:58,519
Speaker 1: He says, we can solve the racistm problem. He says,

1524
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 1: we've got to find a solution, and he's given us

1525
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:03,479
Speaker 1: the roadmap through his book, The Code. But when we

1526
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:05,680
Speaker 1: come back and want to ask you Fellas about what

1527
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 1: he said about how it feels about white folks, because

1528
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:10,040
Speaker 1: somebody called in once and he was here and asked

1529
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:12,719
Speaker 1: him if all white people are racist, and I'll share

1530
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:14,679
Speaker 1: with you what he said. Let me get back family.

1531
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 1: You two can get in on this conversation with Mark. Fully,

1532
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 1: it's nearly full of son. Also, Robert Gate would have

1533
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:21,519
Speaker 1: been this. Robert has put together nearly full of podcast

1534
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:23,720
Speaker 1: and still available. You know how to reach them right

1535
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:25,599
Speaker 1: now though, Just hit us up at eight hundred four

1536
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 1: or five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take

1537
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:30,519
Speaker 1: the phone calls after we check the traffic that's next.

1538
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 1: Thank grand Rising family, and thanks for staying with us

1539
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 1: on this Thursday morning with our guest to Mark Fuller,

1540
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 1: his son of Neglie Fuller Junior, also Robert Gatewood. Robert

1541
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:41,120
Speaker 1: put together his podcast and discussing mister Fuller on the

1542
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 1: anniversary of his passing. Many of you have listened to

1543
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:46,679
Speaker 1: Neelie full all over the years, and these two fellas

1544
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 1: they know him better than most of us do. My

1545
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 1: question though, before we left for the traffic and weather update,

1546
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 1: I was telling you someone called in and asked him

1547
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 1: if all white people are racist? And his response, and

1548
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:01,560
Speaker 1: let me see if you he said they similarly have

1549
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:04,479
Speaker 1: these similar conversations you fellas. He says that they are

1550
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 1: until they prove themselves. Robert, your thoughts did he ever

1551
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:10,519
Speaker 1: get questions like that on his podcast?

1552
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a.

1553
01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:15,720
Speaker 12: That was a frequent question on the show, and he

1554
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:19,880
Speaker 12: had that was probably one of the most probably divisive

1555
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:23,080
Speaker 12: topics of the show because there were people who had

1556
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 12: strong feelings on both sides. Uh, he did, like you said,

1557
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 12: he said, and a lot of this has interpreting what

1558
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 12: he said. He said, all white people are not racist,

1559
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:39,800
Speaker 12: but they're suspect until they can prove otherwise. And he

1560
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:41,600
Speaker 12: had some strong feelings. But I think he had a

1561
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 12: symbiotic relationship with white people were he was. He gave

1562
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 12: him a lot of credit for being smart and Uh,

1563
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 12: and that may have been one of the areas where

1564
01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:52,960
Speaker 12: I mean, I don't say they're not smart, but I

1565
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:55,320
Speaker 12: think one of the areas where we kind of departed

1566
01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 12: was I think they've give him a little too much credit.

1567
01:32:57,560 --> 01:33:00,599
Speaker 12: I think that some of them, particularly the racist, are

1568
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:03,840
Speaker 12: more diabolical than smart. And they're smart people every group.

1569
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:07,160
Speaker 12: Matter of fact, we asked him about on when we

1570
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 12: were discussing Black History Month. He said his approach to

1571
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:14,479
Speaker 12: Black History Month was to get the smartest people in

1572
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:19,440
Speaker 12: the world in a room and figure out this problem,

1573
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 12: and he included white people. He said this this problem

1574
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:25,240
Speaker 12: would not be solved by black people alone, and he

1575
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 12: was very emphatic about that. Also, I looked at his

1576
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 12: comment on justice when he spoke about not mistreating anyone.

1577
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:37,080
Speaker 12: He didn't say don't mistreat He was not specificus about race.

1578
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 12: He said don't mistreat anyone, and making sure that those

1579
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:42,560
Speaker 12: that need help get the most constructive help. So I

1580
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:46,600
Speaker 12: think that was kind of an ambivalence. I think was symbiotic.

1581
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 12: But he did, like you said, said that they are

1582
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:55,799
Speaker 12: all racist until they're there, suspected racist until they prove otherwise.

1583
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 4: Well, if you go to the Code book, there isn't

1584
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 4: a single page in there where he accuses white people

1585
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:09,919
Speaker 4: of anything.

1586
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:11,120
Speaker 9: Right.

1587
01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:18,840
Speaker 4: In fact, he makes a clear distinction between white people

1588
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 4: in general and white supremacists. Those are two distinct, separate things,

1589
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:33,960
Speaker 4: and it's all through the book. He's talking about white supremacy,

1590
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:37,599
Speaker 4: people who mistreat other people on the basis of color.

1591
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 4: He doesn't say white people. He doesn't hit it with

1592
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 4: a broad stroke like that.

1593
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:51,800
Speaker 12: He speaking about the Code. But when people spoke speak

1594
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:54,320
Speaker 12: about race, and I think I'm calling this great, and

1595
01:34:54,479 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 12: he said there were three races white, none, white, and

1596
01:34:58,520 --> 01:34:59,280
Speaker 12: white supremacy.

1597
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:02,240
Speaker 10: Yeah he did that cure distinction.

1598
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:06,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, under the system of white supremacy, because that's

1599
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:11,439
Speaker 4: how white supremacy classify the world that's white, non white,

1600
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:21,120
Speaker 4: and white supremacists, all white people, white supremacists. No, but

1601
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 4: he would call them suspects until proven otherwise. That's how

1602
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:30,680
Speaker 4: he looked at it. But he would never say he

1603
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:34,680
Speaker 4: would never accuse all white people of being white supremacists.

1604
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:39,559
Speaker 4: That that's that's that's that's a strict rule of the

1605
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 4: code book. You don't do that.

1606
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1607
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:46,160
Speaker 1: Could I recall a listener calling in and asking him

1608
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:48,800
Speaker 1: about Donald Trump? If Donald Trump is a racist? And

1609
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:52,000
Speaker 1: then you know, your dad, Mark went, what is a racist?

1610
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:57,640
Speaker 1: He went, define, let's define the word first. Growing up?

1611
01:35:58,120 --> 01:36:00,920
Speaker 1: Is that how he taught you to to you know,

1612
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:03,600
Speaker 1: to decipher the problems.

1613
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:10,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, when when when it comes to people interaction, he

1614
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:14,799
Speaker 4: always taught me to don't really pay too much attention

1615
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:20,760
Speaker 4: to what people say because people say anything, but you

1616
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:23,720
Speaker 4: go by what they do. What they do will tell

1617
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:27,840
Speaker 4: you way more than what they say. And if what

1618
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 4: they do is just, that tells you something. If they

1619
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:36,320
Speaker 4: do something that's unjust, that will tell you something. And

1620
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:40,559
Speaker 4: that's how he wanted me to approach people. You don't

1621
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 4: prejudge anybody, but you just observe and ask questions, questions

1622
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:50,800
Speaker 4: and answers.

1623
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was big on question answer, just checking in

1624
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:56,280
Speaker 1: nearly full of Junior. That's what we discussed. He made

1625
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 1: his transition on February the first, he was ninety five

1626
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:01,759
Speaker 1: with him. He just heard. That's his son, Mark Fuller,

1627
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:05,600
Speaker 1: and also Robert Gatewood, who hosted his podcast that he

1628
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:07,720
Speaker 1: did and they still doing that podcast. But let me

1629
01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:09,800
Speaker 1: ask both of you Fellow's history before we go to

1630
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 1: Professor Small's on deck, before we go to Professor Small. Needly,

1631
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:15,720
Speaker 1: Fuller spoke sometimes about the days when he would not

1632
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:19,360
Speaker 1: be with us. Robert, how did he want us to

1633
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:21,720
Speaker 1: remember him? Well?

1634
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 12: He spoke about this on his podcasts, and people that

1635
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:27,760
Speaker 12: ask oftentimes about mister Fuller, what are we going to

1636
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:29,920
Speaker 12: do when you're no longer here? Well, first of all,

1637
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:33,480
Speaker 12: he did not see himself as a leader, a savior,

1638
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:37,880
Speaker 12: or hero. He described himself as a student and one

1639
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:41,479
Speaker 12: of his most famous quotes was I'm still learning. He

1640
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:44,720
Speaker 12: saw himself as a victim and a prisoner in his

1641
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 12: prison yard. He rejected titles like civil rights leader experts.

1642
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:54,479
Speaker 12: He often spoke about his role as an observer, as

1643
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 12: an analyzer, and he would report on what he could

1644
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:02,439
Speaker 12: logically prove about racism. So to him, life wasn't about

1645
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:07,800
Speaker 12: recognition or celebration. It was an assignment to reduce confusion

1646
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:14,799
Speaker 12: and replace racism for system of justice. That with his calling,

1647
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:16,759
Speaker 12: and that's how you want to be remembered.

1648
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:24,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I would like that. He wasn't really particularly

1649
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:27,960
Speaker 4: interested in even being remembered at all, but he wanted

1650
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:33,120
Speaker 4: the material, the work that's right to be remembered, he says.

1651
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:36,080
Speaker 4: Don't focus in on the purpose, on the person, focus

1652
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:39,320
Speaker 4: in on the work. He says, that's why he wrote

1653
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:41,759
Speaker 4: the book so he would not have to be here forever.

1654
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:45,960
Speaker 4: You know, leave something behind you, pick it up. Use

1655
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:49,519
Speaker 4: what is useful, ignore what is not useful. It's not

1656
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:53,799
Speaker 4: a bible. He didn't consider it to be a holy

1657
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:56,400
Speaker 4: book of any kind. There was supposed to be a

1658
01:38:56,439 --> 01:39:04,639
Speaker 4: workbook with emphasis on work, and he would prefer people

1659
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:08,080
Speaker 4: to put into practice. But it's part in the code.

1660
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:10,280
Speaker 4: Instead of celebrating him as an individual.

1661
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:14,880
Speaker 1: That's so true, so true, got you, Well, I share

1662
01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:17,719
Speaker 1: this with that. I'm still learning. I use that quite

1663
01:39:17,720 --> 01:39:20,800
Speaker 1: a bit, and you know, I'm still learning. I'm learning

1664
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:23,280
Speaker 1: some things every day, especially on this program, and learn

1665
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:25,599
Speaker 1: some things from you, fellas so and that was one

1666
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:29,559
Speaker 1: of his Uh, when you know Kevin calls him for

1667
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:31,599
Speaker 1: the program. He says, how are you doing, mister Fuller.

1668
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:34,800
Speaker 1: I'm still learning, and so I think all of us,

1669
01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:38,559
Speaker 1: you know, because you got to keep learning to be growing.

1670
01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:42,040
Speaker 1: So I'm still learning, fellas. Let and let me say

1671
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:44,080
Speaker 1: this for I'll let you guys go. It's a great

1672
01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:47,680
Speaker 1: conversation reminiscing about Neely Fuller before we let you go

1673
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:50,040
Speaker 1: the Robert how can we get those podcasts? And they're

1674
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:50,719
Speaker 1: still out there.

1675
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:55,559
Speaker 12: The podcast are still out there, metter fact, we're working

1676
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:57,920
Speaker 12: on some things right now. We have the Counter Racist

1677
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:01,559
Speaker 12: Code Show coming on every TV nine am, and you

1678
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:03,600
Speaker 12: can listen to all of the shows by going to

1679
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:07,280
Speaker 12: produce Justice dot com. We've been doing We have a

1680
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:09,400
Speaker 12: few projects in the work. We have a level bound

1681
01:40:09,439 --> 01:40:11,720
Speaker 12: collection of item that has been very popular. Matter of fact,

1682
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:13,559
Speaker 12: we have got a few left, maybe got four or

1683
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:16,439
Speaker 12: five of them left. We also have a hardcover of

1684
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 12: his original on his expanded edition book, and we have

1685
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:21,880
Speaker 12: an audiobook coming out. So just stay in tune with

1686
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:25,599
Speaker 12: the website, listening to the podcast at produce Justice dot

1687
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:27,920
Speaker 12: com and to all of the people who want to

1688
01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:31,080
Speaker 12: follow the legacy and the works of mister Fuller. We're

1689
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 12: keeping it going. That's the object of the of the show,

1690
01:40:33,479 --> 01:40:34,639
Speaker 12: to keep his legacy in mind.

1691
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:39,080
Speaker 1: All right, let me just Mark, let me just thank

1692
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:40,880
Speaker 1: you for sharing your dad with us. I mean, there

1693
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:44,880
Speaker 1: were so many times everybody's hanging on every syllable that

1694
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:47,400
Speaker 1: he spoke when he was on the radio. As you

1695
01:40:47,479 --> 01:40:49,639
Speaker 1: heard one one tweeter we Gotta says she's a follower

1696
01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:51,920
Speaker 1: of Neely for you know, he's a follower. He had

1697
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:53,640
Speaker 1: a lot of fans. I don't know if you know that.

1698
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:56,120
Speaker 1: He's just larger than life for many people when he

1699
01:40:56,200 --> 01:40:58,680
Speaker 1: spoke on the radio. So again, I just want to

1700
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:01,600
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing him with so because now we

1701
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:05,439
Speaker 1: have a clearer distinction of what racist and white supremacy is.

1702
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:06,719
Speaker 1: So again, thank you, Mark.

1703
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:08,320
Speaker 5: Oh well, thank you.

1704
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:10,960
Speaker 4: Remember it's not about the person, it's about the work,

1705
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:11,639
Speaker 4: the material.

1706
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:17,760
Speaker 1: That's right, gotcha, Thanks fellas, Thank you. All righty, that's

1707
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:21,240
Speaker 1: Markful and Robert Gatewood is discussing meaningful of June. Ten

1708
01:41:21,240 --> 01:41:23,639
Speaker 1: minutes after the top of our Family. The segue over

1709
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:27,920
Speaker 1: now to Professor James Small. Professor Small, grand Rising, brother,

1710
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:29,200
Speaker 1: welcome back to the program.

1711
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:32,400
Speaker 9: Thank you, brother grand Rising. It's good to hear I

1712
01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:35,600
Speaker 9: only cut a piece of doctor Buller, but you know,

1713
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:41,080
Speaker 9: and we met a few times, but it worked. Is extraordinary,

1714
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:46,080
Speaker 9: and so many people haven't heard of him or I

1715
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:49,679
Speaker 9: haven't read the work. So the work those young brothers

1716
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 9: got to do is extraordinary trying to get that information

1717
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:54,519
Speaker 9: out so it.

1718
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:59,400
Speaker 5: Can be a tool, a usable tool in the society

1719
01:42:00,439 --> 01:42:01,160
Speaker 5: that we live in.

1720
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:05,599
Speaker 1: You know, Professor Small want the things that mister Fuller

1721
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:07,519
Speaker 1: talked about quite a bit. As a code. What he says,

1722
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:10,519
Speaker 1: he says, the other folks have a code. They stick together.

1723
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:13,720
Speaker 1: And he didn't say in these words race first, but

1724
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:15,479
Speaker 1: he says black people need to have a code. We

1725
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:18,599
Speaker 1: need to have a code, our own code. And basically

1726
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:21,840
Speaker 1: what it is, it's race versut of course, because when

1727
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:24,840
Speaker 1: it comes to dealing with us, they stick together. Well,

1728
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:28,240
Speaker 1: somehow we have a problem with that sticking together. You

1729
01:42:28,280 --> 01:42:30,000
Speaker 1: want to talk about that for a minute while before

1730
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:31,519
Speaker 1: we start talking about black history.

1731
01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:37,560
Speaker 9: Well, you know that is black history list. Everything of

1732
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:40,400
Speaker 9: people do makes up their history, everything that people say

1733
01:42:40,479 --> 01:42:43,839
Speaker 9: make up their history. History and culture are twins. Everything

1734
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:46,639
Speaker 9: that people do makes up their culture, everything that people

1735
01:42:46,720 --> 01:42:51,400
Speaker 9: say makes up their culture. We can't separate those things.

1736
01:42:51,439 --> 01:42:53,519
Speaker 9: We tend to try to do it, but you can't

1737
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:58,000
Speaker 9: do it. And black people did have a code. It's

1738
01:42:58,040 --> 01:43:00,840
Speaker 9: just that when you say black people, you're talking about

1739
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:04,479
Speaker 9: a couple of billion people across the planet Earth, and

1740
01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 9: if you're just talking about the fifty or so million

1741
01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:11,080
Speaker 9: in the United States, there was no people that.

1742
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:13,759
Speaker 5: It's a people.

1743
01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:17,719
Speaker 9: Even when white supremacy and white.

1744
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:20,519
Speaker 5: Racism is that it's peaked. There was a John Brown

1745
01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:21,400
Speaker 5: and the whites.

1746
01:43:21,200 --> 01:43:24,320
Speaker 9: Who fought with him and fought without us, So they

1747
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:26,040
Speaker 9: weren't all there's there's.

1748
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:33,760
Speaker 5: Nobody that is monolithic. But we have to be clear.

1749
01:43:33,560 --> 01:43:37,840
Speaker 9: About those who were complicit because they did. There was

1750
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:44,479
Speaker 9: occasions where people advertising the newspaper lynchings, and thousands came

1751
01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:47,200
Speaker 9: from around the counties and the states and the cities.

1752
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:52,599
Speaker 9: They advertised burning of black people, and thousands came, and

1753
01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:55,280
Speaker 9: they made postcards and it took pictures, and they brought

1754
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:58,800
Speaker 9: their children. Yet those same people would be courteous to

1755
01:43:58,920 --> 01:44:00,080
Speaker 9: you every day.

1756
01:43:59,880 --> 01:44:02,160
Speaker 5: We called it.

1757
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:05,000
Speaker 9: It's a discussion, but in the midst of the discussion,

1758
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:09,200
Speaker 9: we can't continue to be the victim, even though we

1759
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:13,120
Speaker 9: may not know how to label the victimizes. But we're

1760
01:44:13,160 --> 01:44:15,920
Speaker 9: getting there and Neely has taken us a long way

1761
01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:20,840
Speaker 9: to at least for us to understand how we had

1762
01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:25,120
Speaker 9: better define the obstacle that's in the way of us

1763
01:44:25,160 --> 01:44:26,519
Speaker 9: being human beings.

1764
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:30,840
Speaker 1: All right, got you thirteen half? That's top. They have

1765
01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:34,360
Speaker 1: a Black History Month, you know, Professor James Small, Professor small,

1766
01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:36,840
Speaker 1: simple folks say, why do we need a Black History month?

1767
01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:41,439
Speaker 1: Is there Latina History Month? Is the Irish instrument? What

1768
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:43,599
Speaker 1: would your response to somebody says, why do black people

1769
01:44:43,640 --> 01:44:45,000
Speaker 1: need a Black History Month?

1770
01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:50,080
Speaker 9: Well, if they would learn their history on a daily basis,

1771
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:52,760
Speaker 9: you wouldn't need a month to do it. To over

1772
01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:56,240
Speaker 9: emphasize it, the reason we need a Black History Month

1773
01:44:56,280 --> 01:44:59,320
Speaker 9: because we would deny access to the knowledge of our

1774
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:05,880
Speaker 9: history for centuries. And someone who doesn't know your history, you,

1775
01:45:06,680 --> 01:45:10,599
Speaker 9: as the statement go, you are condemned to repeat it.

1776
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:15,560
Speaker 9: And if repeating it means constant suicide, you will constantly

1777
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:19,080
Speaker 9: commit suicide if you didn't know how not to commit

1778
01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:22,559
Speaker 9: that suicide, and you could only know that by knowing

1779
01:45:23,080 --> 01:45:25,920
Speaker 9: what led you to the suicide. You must know your history.

1780
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:32,320
Speaker 9: Every animal, everything in the world responds to their history

1781
01:45:32,439 --> 01:45:36,280
Speaker 9: because history tells you like I think that the clock

1782
01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:39,320
Speaker 9: and others thing is where you've been and where you

1783
01:45:39,439 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 9: must go in order to better your situation. If you

1784
01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:46,639
Speaker 9: don't know where you've been, you keep going there back

1785
01:45:46,680 --> 01:45:48,439
Speaker 9: and forth all the time, and we do it all

1786
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:53,439
Speaker 9: the time. But it isn't something static that's going on.

1787
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:57,320
Speaker 9: It isn't that Black people don't know their history. Somebody's

1788
01:45:57,479 --> 01:46:00,519
Speaker 9: keeping them from learning is history. Somebody delivered They kept

1789
01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:04,720
Speaker 9: them from knowing their history. All people aren't ignorant of

1790
01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:08,800
Speaker 9: their history, even though people may not all be professors

1791
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:13,679
Speaker 9: or doctors or lawyers or people who participated in making

1792
01:46:13,720 --> 01:46:17,559
Speaker 9: the critical aspects of history. Most cultures in the world,

1793
01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:20,720
Speaker 9: people generally know the history of their people. That's how

1794
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:25,000
Speaker 9: they developed the tool, the education tool that we call culture.

1795
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:29,040
Speaker 9: You know, culture is how people educate themselves. And doctor

1796
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:32,639
Speaker 9: Ani says culture is the thing that protects people from

1797
01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:37,120
Speaker 9: genocide because it tells you how to avoid the things

1798
01:46:37,160 --> 01:46:41,160
Speaker 9: that will lead to your genocide. Slavery wasn't a work program.

1799
01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:44,240
Speaker 9: It was genocide. Jim Crow was in a work program.

1800
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:49,080
Speaker 9: It was genocide. The enemy described it as slavery, chattel

1801
01:46:49,160 --> 01:46:52,240
Speaker 9: slavery and then tried to make it look like it

1802
01:46:52,280 --> 01:46:55,960
Speaker 9: was just a business that people got a little beatings

1803
01:46:56,040 --> 01:46:56,479
Speaker 9: in and a.

1804
01:46:56,439 --> 01:46:57,320
Speaker 5: Few of them died.

1805
01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:02,840
Speaker 9: No, it was genocide, deliberate genocide. They knew that that

1806
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:06,200
Speaker 9: the centuries. We're gonna work these people to death in

1807
01:47:06,240 --> 01:47:09,040
Speaker 9: ten years, and we're gonna go get some more, and

1808
01:47:09,080 --> 01:47:11,080
Speaker 9: we'll work them to death in ten years if we

1809
01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:14,000
Speaker 9: get some more. For the purpose of getting this money

1810
01:47:14,040 --> 01:47:16,439
Speaker 9: to buy the commodities that we want to live, the

1811
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:19,479
Speaker 9: lifestyle that we want to have, the nice house, to drink,

1812
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:23,479
Speaker 9: the wine, to have the sex, to do these creature

1813
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:27,160
Speaker 9: comfort things we want, we are willing to murder millions

1814
01:47:27,160 --> 01:47:30,160
Speaker 9: of people deliberately in a systematic way.

1815
01:47:31,040 --> 01:47:34,600
Speaker 5: Genocide, not slavery genocide.

1816
01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:36,600
Speaker 1: Hold that thorrd. There were gotta set aside for a

1817
01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:38,479
Speaker 1: few moments, and we come back the way. Explain to

1818
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:42,320
Speaker 1: us to our continental brothers need to have black issues.

1819
01:47:42,360 --> 01:47:44,720
Speaker 1: Do they teach the black history or do they call

1820
01:47:44,760 --> 01:47:47,439
Speaker 1: it black history? Or they teach their history in their

1821
01:47:47,479 --> 01:47:51,240
Speaker 1: schools like you know they're supposed to teach us or

1822
01:47:51,400 --> 01:47:53,479
Speaker 1: our families are supposed to teach us about our history.

1823
01:47:53,680 --> 01:47:56,640
Speaker 1: Is he taught that way on the continent? Family? You

1824
01:47:56,680 --> 01:47:58,439
Speaker 1: want to get in on this conversation, and I guess

1825
01:47:58,439 --> 01:48:01,920
Speaker 1: the professor Jameson walks to us, how simple it's eight

1826
01:48:02,040 --> 01:48:05,160
Speaker 1: hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six, and

1827
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:07,920
Speaker 1: we'll take your phone calls next and Grand Rising family,

1828
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:09,840
Speaker 1: thanks for sticking with us on this Thursday morning, or

1829
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:11,679
Speaker 1: twenty minutes half the top they had with our guest,

1830
01:48:11,680 --> 01:48:14,759
Speaker 1: the professor James Small. It's one of our grills, Professor Small.

1831
01:48:14,760 --> 01:48:17,480
Speaker 1: And the question I asked you about the Continental brothers.

1832
01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:21,080
Speaker 1: Do they have to have a History of History month

1833
01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:23,080
Speaker 1: and taught their history or is it taught in their

1834
01:48:23,080 --> 01:48:26,760
Speaker 1: schools or do they have in their homes? So you know,

1835
01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:29,840
Speaker 1: here we don't the people who control the mechanics of

1836
01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:32,599
Speaker 1: our education, they don't, you know, those mentioned Black History

1837
01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:35,320
Speaker 1: Month and then they you know, sort of drive by

1838
01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:38,800
Speaker 1: do a talk about doctor King and that's it. Is

1839
01:48:38,840 --> 01:48:40,880
Speaker 1: that the same situation or do they need to have

1840
01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:43,320
Speaker 1: one or is it done a sort of an oxymoron

1841
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:46,080
Speaker 1: for Africans to have an African History Month.

1842
01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:54,280
Speaker 9: The entire continent of Africa was enslaved. The entire continent

1843
01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:58,400
Speaker 9: of Africa was conquered, the only reason we have fifty

1844
01:48:58,439 --> 01:49:05,799
Speaker 9: four countries because the European Nations met in eighteen eighty

1845
01:49:05,800 --> 01:49:11,439
Speaker 9: five in Berlin, and by eighteen ninety five they came

1846
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:17,559
Speaker 9: and declared war on every square foot of Africa, and

1847
01:49:17,640 --> 01:49:20,240
Speaker 9: what should have been called the First World War was

1848
01:49:20,280 --> 01:49:25,400
Speaker 9: declared after the conference in Berlin. America had its delegation

1849
01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:30,640
Speaker 9: there and financed many of these genocidal invasions and wars.

1850
01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:34,599
Speaker 9: The only one they lost partially was the one in

1851
01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:39,920
Speaker 9: Ethiopia the rest of Africa and the one in Ethiopia

1852
01:49:40,439 --> 01:49:45,479
Speaker 9: and in Liberia, because they did not attack Liberia because

1853
01:49:45,479 --> 01:49:49,840
Speaker 9: of Liberia's economic relationship to the United States, and the

1854
01:49:49,960 --> 01:49:53,840
Speaker 9: same thing with ser Leone because Cera Leone, who was

1855
01:49:54,280 --> 01:49:59,760
Speaker 9: relationship to Britain. And so those two did not get

1856
01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:07,960
Speaker 9: attack militarily, but they both were attacked economically, politically, and culturally.

1857
01:50:08,360 --> 01:50:12,720
Speaker 9: And so was Ethiopia or what then it had not

1858
01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:19,160
Speaker 9: yet become Ethiopia Oxum, which later became Ethiopian. So when

1859
01:50:19,200 --> 01:50:24,000
Speaker 9: we think of Africa, we think of the fifty something

1860
01:50:24,120 --> 01:50:27,240
Speaker 9: nation no white people created, chopped it up in fifty

1861
01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:33,320
Speaker 9: something pieces, fifty four pieces, fifty five pieces after the

1862
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:39,280
Speaker 9: Berlin Conference the purposes of robbing them of the natural resources.

1863
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:43,400
Speaker 9: But even before the Berlin Conference, much of Africa had

1864
01:50:43,439 --> 01:50:49,880
Speaker 9: already been militarily conquered by the Muslim Turks and the

1865
01:50:49,960 --> 01:50:54,720
Speaker 9: European Christians for the purpose of enslaving their population and

1866
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:58,720
Speaker 9: getting their technology to bring to their lands and to

1867
01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:01,880
Speaker 9: bring to this new land they had conquered in the Americas.

1868
01:51:02,360 --> 01:51:05,240
Speaker 9: That's why history would just kind of let you understand

1869
01:51:05,400 --> 01:51:07,720
Speaker 9: what happened in the past. How did I get to

1870
01:51:07,800 --> 01:51:10,160
Speaker 9: one hundred and twenty fifth Street in Harlem?

1871
01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:11,880
Speaker 5: What am I doing here?

1872
01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:15,000
Speaker 9: How did I arrive at one hundred and twenty fifty Now,

1873
01:51:15,160 --> 01:51:19,120
Speaker 9: how did I arrive in the Delta Mississippi being worked

1874
01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:22,800
Speaker 9: to death in the sharecropping process. How did I get here?

1875
01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:26,360
Speaker 9: History tells you how you got there. History tells you

1876
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:27,759
Speaker 9: why you got there.

1877
01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:29,720
Speaker 5: You understand.

1878
01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:34,880
Speaker 9: And so the entire continent of Africa was conquered. The

1879
01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:40,760
Speaker 9: entire historical transmission that went from generation to generation on

1880
01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:43,360
Speaker 9: every corner of Africa was interrupted.

1881
01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:45,240
Speaker 5: The people of.

1882
01:51:45,200 --> 01:51:50,160
Speaker 9: Africa in general are as ignorant of their history for

1883
01:51:50,280 --> 01:51:54,120
Speaker 9: the same purpose as the Africans in North America, Central America,

1884
01:51:54,240 --> 01:51:58,320
Speaker 9: South America, the same thing with most Native Americans, so

1885
01:51:58,400 --> 01:52:03,920
Speaker 9: called Indians. The historical transmission process from mental generation was

1886
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:07,160
Speaker 9: interrupted through warfare and genocide.

1887
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:10,120
Speaker 5: We may be the one.

1888
01:52:09,920 --> 01:52:16,280
Speaker 9: That raised We've already always led deliberation wars over here

1889
01:52:16,280 --> 01:52:20,479
Speaker 9: in this hemisphere, and fighting for a study of our

1890
01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:25,280
Speaker 9: history is part of our war of liberation, liberating our mind,

1891
01:52:25,439 --> 01:52:28,960
Speaker 9: restoring our memory so we can figure out how to

1892
01:52:29,080 --> 01:52:33,280
Speaker 9: better protect ourselves and provide food, clothing, shelf to safety

1893
01:52:33,320 --> 01:52:36,800
Speaker 9: and security for ourselves of our group. You can't do

1894
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:41,800
Speaker 9: that unless you understand why you're not doing it, and

1895
01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:44,960
Speaker 9: you've been at war. You've been in the genocidal process

1896
01:52:45,960 --> 01:52:49,519
Speaker 9: with somebody who will do anything to get a glass

1897
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:52,639
Speaker 9: of wine that they want to have sex with, whom

1898
01:52:52,720 --> 01:52:55,439
Speaker 9: they want to build a pretty building that they'd like

1899
01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:57,200
Speaker 9: to be, to sleep in the kind of bed and

1900
01:52:57,280 --> 01:53:01,280
Speaker 9: silk seat they want to be. They've killed millions upon

1901
01:53:01,439 --> 01:53:05,000
Speaker 9: millions upon millions upon millions of people out of just

1902
01:53:05,240 --> 01:53:12,559
Speaker 9: playing greed and animalistic stimulation response to their desires and need.

1903
01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:16,559
Speaker 9: That's not making any prettier than the genocide really is.

1904
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:21,559
Speaker 9: Let's understand reality, and what history will do will let

1905
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:26,160
Speaker 9: you understand reality so you can figure out how the

1906
01:53:26,200 --> 01:53:31,240
Speaker 9: best design your reality of today and tomorrow. You must

1907
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:34,799
Speaker 9: understand the realities of yesterday and how you got to today,

1908
01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:37,679
Speaker 9: so you can redesign today so you have a better

1909
01:53:37,720 --> 01:53:40,640
Speaker 9: tomorrow out that's simply not.

1910
01:53:41,920 --> 01:53:44,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, got it, twenty six have the tough air, professional Small.

1911
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:47,720
Speaker 1: Let's talk about history. Some of the facts though that

1912
01:53:47,880 --> 01:53:51,439
Speaker 1: go down in that history, because now we have AI

1913
01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:53,120
Speaker 1: and the lot some of the facts, some of the

1914
01:53:53,160 --> 01:53:56,759
Speaker 1: stuff that we see on social media's distorted. We keep hearing,

1915
01:53:56,960 --> 01:54:01,519
Speaker 1: for example, use this one the NAACP. The Jews created

1916
01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:04,280
Speaker 1: the NAP Those Jewish people, I folks didn't had nothing

1917
01:54:04,280 --> 01:54:06,840
Speaker 1: to do with it. Can you clarify that for us

1918
01:54:06,680 --> 01:54:07,880
Speaker 1: at Professor Small?

1919
01:54:08,760 --> 01:54:12,439
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's an important because I've seen a gentleman online.

1920
01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:18,400
Speaker 9: He looked very dignified, and you know, he looks like

1921
01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:22,280
Speaker 9: you know what he's talking about. And who created the NAACP.

1922
01:54:23,920 --> 01:54:32,919
Speaker 9: And the naa CP was founded by blacks and whites,

1923
01:54:33,000 --> 01:54:37,839
Speaker 9: But it didn't happen out of nowhere, right. The blacks

1924
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:43,480
Speaker 9: and whites have always fought together. They've never liked the

1925
01:54:43,880 --> 01:54:47,680
Speaker 9: Nellie's son and the other brother were saying that you

1926
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:52,520
Speaker 9: didn't condemn every white people nearly did not condemn because

1927
01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:55,560
Speaker 9: we knew better than that. John Brown wasn't the only

1928
01:54:55,640 --> 01:54:58,879
Speaker 9: white person that fought it outside one of the biggest

1929
01:54:58,920 --> 01:55:06,880
Speaker 9: maroon community in America was in Virginia, in the Virginia Swamps,

1930
01:55:06,920 --> 01:55:10,080
Speaker 9: and about fifty percent of the people in that community

1931
01:55:10,280 --> 01:55:11,800
Speaker 9: were white runaways.

1932
01:55:12,120 --> 01:55:13,160
Speaker 5: See, much of.

1933
01:55:13,120 --> 01:55:17,560
Speaker 9: The white population that came over to America prior to

1934
01:55:17,640 --> 01:55:24,000
Speaker 9: the Civil War came over as indentured servants, as temporary slaves.

1935
01:55:24,760 --> 01:55:25,920
Speaker 5: The difference between them.

1936
01:55:26,280 --> 01:55:31,200
Speaker 9: The African Is condemned to servitude and slavery for their

1937
01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:34,640
Speaker 9: entire life, and the Whites, the Irish, the Scots and

1938
01:55:34,680 --> 01:55:39,480
Speaker 9: the others could have a time period ten years, fifteen years,

1939
01:55:39,480 --> 01:55:41,440
Speaker 9: twenty years of working and then they would be free

1940
01:55:41,480 --> 01:55:43,680
Speaker 9: to get a little piece of land and they could

1941
01:55:43,880 --> 01:55:47,200
Speaker 9: live a life. But those people wanted to be free too,

1942
01:55:48,280 --> 01:55:50,640
Speaker 9: And so what we called the Dismal Swamps of Virginia

1943
01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:53,400
Speaker 9: one of the biggest maroon meaning the community built by

1944
01:55:53,480 --> 01:55:57,640
Speaker 9: runaways in this country. It was built by whites and blacks,

1945
01:55:58,360 --> 01:56:02,320
Speaker 9: and they were never conquered. You know, the British would

1946
01:56:02,320 --> 01:56:04,200
Speaker 9: go up in there, so they would destroy the British.

1947
01:56:04,200 --> 01:56:07,800
Speaker 9: When the Americans so called clear to the state, breaking

1948
01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:10,440
Speaker 9: off from the British, they too could not go into

1949
01:56:10,440 --> 01:56:13,360
Speaker 9: the swamps of Virginia and come out a lot. And

1950
01:56:13,400 --> 01:56:16,520
Speaker 9: we don't talk about them. And that was one such community.

1951
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:19,760
Speaker 9: There were communities like that all of America. So we

1952
01:56:19,800 --> 01:56:21,800
Speaker 9: need to put those kinds of things in place so

1953
01:56:21,840 --> 01:56:24,240
Speaker 9: it seems so it don't seem like a myth when

1954
01:56:24,280 --> 01:56:27,800
Speaker 9: an organization like the NACP have whites and blacks involved.

1955
01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:33,560
Speaker 9: The NCP were founded by W. B. D. Boys Uh,

1956
01:56:33,640 --> 01:56:38,840
Speaker 9: Mary White Overton I to B. Wells, Uh. There were

1957
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:43,360
Speaker 9: there was other other members in that organization. They evolved

1958
01:56:43,560 --> 01:56:47,520
Speaker 9: after four years out of a movement they called the

1959
01:56:47,640 --> 01:56:49,240
Speaker 9: not Agri movement.

1960
01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:57,360
Speaker 5: That was created by Booker T. Washington, W. B. The Boys, I, T. B.

1961
01:56:57,480 --> 01:57:02,320
Speaker 9: Wells and other black leader in Niagara, New York. And

1962
01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:06,440
Speaker 9: this was in response and at the turn of the

1963
01:57:06,520 --> 01:57:09,840
Speaker 9: nineteenth century of the twentieth century to the murders and

1964
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:12,879
Speaker 9: the lyncheons and the terrorism going on around the country.

1965
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:19,520
Speaker 9: People being murdered all over America and government responses slow.

1966
01:57:19,400 --> 01:57:25,000
Speaker 5: Or nil, and so the much of the.

1967
01:57:24,840 --> 01:57:28,760
Speaker 9: Organizing against these things came from the North and they

1968
01:57:28,760 --> 01:57:33,600
Speaker 9: were always twice that worked with us in the struggle.

1969
01:57:34,120 --> 01:57:37,200
Speaker 9: And so that group that evolved out of a group

1970
01:57:37,240 --> 01:57:40,520
Speaker 9: that was found in eighteen ninety two led by T.

1971
01:57:40,760 --> 01:57:45,000
Speaker 9: Thomas Fortune called the Afro and listened to that word.

1972
01:57:45,600 --> 01:57:50,320
Speaker 9: The Afro American League that came out of a group

1973
01:57:50,360 --> 01:57:53,240
Speaker 9: of black women in Rochester, New York, who had the

1974
01:57:53,400 --> 01:57:58,640
Speaker 9: Afro American Council in the eighteen nineties. That group evolved

1975
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:03,120
Speaker 9: into what became the AGRA movement, and that group and

1976
01:58:03,240 --> 01:58:07,360
Speaker 9: not AGRA evolve into the NAACP. And even with these

1977
01:58:07,400 --> 01:58:11,840
Speaker 9: whites involved allies who were mostly social workers and union

1978
01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:15,600
Speaker 9: workers and really coming around from out of Boston and

1979
01:58:15,680 --> 01:58:20,640
Speaker 9: New York, they they it wasn't even called the NAACP,

1980
01:58:20,840 --> 01:58:24,520
Speaker 9: but still the Niagara Movement. It took four years with

1981
01:58:24,640 --> 01:58:27,240
Speaker 9: the same groups meeting in Niagara trying to work out

1982
01:58:27,240 --> 01:58:31,560
Speaker 9: the problem before they came up with this concept the NAACP.

1983
01:58:32,320 --> 01:58:36,360
Speaker 9: And at the time they weren't just talking about Black

1984
01:58:36,400 --> 01:58:39,440
Speaker 9: Americans either, they were talking about Native Americans, they were

1985
01:58:39,440 --> 01:58:42,200
Speaker 9: talking about Asians. It's just that we were the overwhelming

1986
01:58:42,280 --> 01:58:44,880
Speaker 9: majority of that group, and we were the vanguard of

1987
01:58:44,920 --> 01:58:49,000
Speaker 9: that group. NAACP emerged from the Niagara Movement's foundational push

1988
01:58:49,080 --> 01:58:53,040
Speaker 9: for civil rights. Yeah, and so once we get clear

1989
01:58:53,080 --> 01:58:56,160
Speaker 9: on the history, that's why history would clear us up. Yes,

1990
01:58:56,240 --> 01:58:58,400
Speaker 9: you had Moscow Vincent was a social worker.

1991
01:58:58,920 --> 01:59:00,040
Speaker 5: You had the.

1992
01:59:00,120 --> 01:59:03,240
Speaker 9: Woman who was the suffragette, the white woman, and they

1993
01:59:03,280 --> 01:59:04,720
Speaker 9: were providing the money.

1994
01:59:04,840 --> 01:59:05,960
Speaker 5: Black people didn't.

1995
01:59:05,720 --> 01:59:06,640
Speaker 4: Have the capital.

1996
01:59:07,080 --> 01:59:12,560
Speaker 9: Because the NCP moved forward as a group that would

1997
01:59:13,160 --> 01:59:18,400
Speaker 9: fight the battles from a legal perspective, from the court perspective,

1998
01:59:18,440 --> 01:59:23,960
Speaker 9: and they were going after one particular case, Plessy versus Ferguson,

1999
01:59:24,680 --> 01:59:30,120
Speaker 9: a case where the Supreme Court had decided that segregation

2000
01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:35,920
Speaker 9: was appropriate, that separate but equal or proposed equal was good.

2001
01:59:36,480 --> 01:59:40,760
Speaker 9: And that group, meeting in Niagara before they would even

2002
01:59:40,840 --> 01:59:45,600
Speaker 9: called the NACP, decided we've got to destroy that. And

2003
01:59:45,720 --> 01:59:48,240
Speaker 9: one of the young men, young lawyers that came into

2004
01:59:48,280 --> 01:59:52,680
Speaker 9: the group was a young lawyer named Thurgood Marshall. Mary

2005
01:59:52,760 --> 01:59:56,560
Speaker 9: MacLeod Bethune was a part of that group. It was

2006
01:59:56,560 --> 02:00:04,040
Speaker 9: supported heavily by President Roosevelt's white.

2007
02:00:02,080 --> 02:00:05,760
Speaker 5: So this wasn't just some slick little group of white

2008
02:00:05,760 --> 02:00:07,280
Speaker 5: folks who was using black folks.

2009
02:00:07,320 --> 02:00:12,840
Speaker 9: That's a myth, like we are so stupid that.

2010
02:00:12,360 --> 02:00:13,240
Speaker 5: It could happen like that.

2011
02:00:13,280 --> 02:00:17,800
Speaker 9: The NECP provided something that we had not had before

2012
02:00:18,360 --> 02:00:21,600
Speaker 9: in any of our major movements and thrust forward. It

2013
02:00:21,680 --> 02:00:25,840
Speaker 9: provided a legal arm to take on the Supreme Court

2014
02:00:25,960 --> 02:00:31,200
Speaker 9: of the United States and brown versus the Board with

2015
02:00:31,360 --> 02:00:35,880
Speaker 9: Sturgood Marshall, with the primary person who argued the case.

2016
02:00:36,360 --> 02:00:40,720
Speaker 9: The case was lost and at the local court level,

2017
02:00:41,240 --> 02:00:44,360
Speaker 9: and Marshall pushed it with the backing and the finance

2018
02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:48,400
Speaker 9: of the NYCP to the Supreme Court level and overturned

2019
02:00:48,880 --> 02:00:52,920
Speaker 9: plus Y versus Ferguson, where the Supreme Court then ruled

2020
02:00:53,360 --> 02:00:57,560
Speaker 9: that separate but equal was unconstitutional and violated the Fourteenth

2021
02:00:57,600 --> 02:01:00,000
Speaker 9: Amendment of the United States. So if you look at

2022
02:01:00,200 --> 02:01:03,920
Speaker 9: many of the cases that where things has changed. Right

2023
02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:08,400
Speaker 9: up to the struggle around the voter right buill on

2024
02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:13,000
Speaker 9: the Lyndon Johnson the NACP was the ban god legal

2025
02:01:13,200 --> 02:01:18,919
Speaker 9: organization that was forcing the government of the United States

2026
02:01:19,040 --> 02:01:21,600
Speaker 9: and the Supreme Court of the United States to author

2027
02:01:21,760 --> 02:01:25,760
Speaker 9: its legal position on the question of citizenship of African

2028
02:01:25,840 --> 02:01:30,480
Speaker 9: American people. And yes, they were whites in there. They're

2029
02:01:30,480 --> 02:01:33,480
Speaker 9: still all whites in there. But like I said, they've

2030
02:01:33,480 --> 02:01:35,960
Speaker 9: been whites fighting out our side from the very beginning.

2031
02:01:36,320 --> 02:01:39,240
Speaker 9: I would say one third of the underground Railroad was

2032
02:01:39,320 --> 02:01:43,360
Speaker 9: white people. And so we don't condemn the underground Railroad

2033
02:01:43,360 --> 02:01:44,600
Speaker 9: because they were white.

2034
02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:45,400
Speaker 5: People helping us.

2035
02:01:45,880 --> 02:01:49,680
Speaker 9: So we've got to understand what was our role What

2036
02:01:49,960 --> 02:01:54,880
Speaker 9: was Frederick Douglas role in leading up to this?

2037
02:01:55,520 --> 02:01:59,640
Speaker 5: What was Booker T. Washington role? What was T. Thomas's role?

2038
02:02:00,120 --> 02:02:03,280
Speaker 5: What was Mary McLeod Barsoon rolled, What was Ida B.

2039
02:02:03,400 --> 02:02:03,960
Speaker 5: Wells role.

2040
02:02:04,040 --> 02:02:06,160
Speaker 9: We're gonna pissed off all of these people as not

2041
02:02:06,240 --> 02:02:09,760
Speaker 9: having any significance when they were all part of the

2042
02:02:09,760 --> 02:02:13,880
Speaker 9: founding of that organization for the purpose of challenging the

2043
02:02:13,920 --> 02:02:16,040
Speaker 9: Supreme Court of the United States and the government in

2044
02:02:16,040 --> 02:02:18,920
Speaker 9: the United States in a legal forum where they won

2045
02:02:19,520 --> 02:02:23,560
Speaker 9: most of the significant cases that affected change and destroyed

2046
02:02:23,600 --> 02:02:26,360
Speaker 9: what we call the post slavery slavey.

2047
02:02:26,960 --> 02:02:30,120
Speaker 1: Jim Crow right, I hold that though Rdea, I'm gonna

2048
02:02:30,120 --> 02:02:31,880
Speaker 1: put you on the spot of Professor Small because you

2049
02:02:31,880 --> 02:02:35,400
Speaker 1: know what doctor j Doctor Jeffers is on once here

2050
02:02:35,760 --> 02:02:38,240
Speaker 1: and a call asked him about Harry Belafonte, and he

2051
02:02:38,280 --> 02:02:41,800
Speaker 1: was putting down Harry Belafonte because Harry Belafane's wife is white.

2052
02:02:42,720 --> 02:02:46,080
Speaker 1: Doctor j led into him because you know, he thought

2053
02:02:46,120 --> 02:02:48,600
Speaker 1: we should everything other Harry Bellafannie is done, we should

2054
02:02:48,600 --> 02:02:52,160
Speaker 1: discredit him because he married white. How do you see

2055
02:02:52,160 --> 02:02:54,520
Speaker 1: all that? Is that a major issue in our community

2056
02:02:54,680 --> 02:02:58,080
Speaker 1: If one of our leaders or quote unquote leaders room,

2057
02:02:58,120 --> 02:03:00,840
Speaker 1: whoever they are or people we look up to, and

2058
02:03:00,880 --> 02:03:03,400
Speaker 1: then they take a white wife. Does that discredit everything

2059
02:03:03,440 --> 02:03:04,280
Speaker 1: that they've done.

2060
02:03:05,440 --> 02:03:08,520
Speaker 9: No, it does not discredit everything that they've done. We

2061
02:03:08,560 --> 02:03:12,160
Speaker 9: would wish we would not do that for the symbolic

2062
02:03:12,280 --> 02:03:18,200
Speaker 9: reasons of fighting against white supremacy. But whites and Africans

2063
02:03:18,240 --> 02:03:21,400
Speaker 9: and Asians and whites have been marrying each other from

2064
02:03:21,440 --> 02:03:24,800
Speaker 9: the beginning of time. That is not a new phenomenon,

2065
02:03:24,840 --> 02:03:29,200
Speaker 9: and it wasn't a new phenomena among black folks, you know,

2066
02:03:29,440 --> 02:03:33,880
Speaker 9: even doing enslavement, they were classic case with black and whites.

2067
02:03:34,080 --> 02:03:37,360
Speaker 9: People married each other and fought against the entire system

2068
02:03:37,400 --> 02:03:42,200
Speaker 9: to maintain that marriage and have families. I knew brother Bellefonte,

2069
02:03:42,400 --> 02:03:44,840
Speaker 9: and Bellefonte was a revolutionary from the bottom of his

2070
02:03:44,960 --> 02:03:47,800
Speaker 9: heart till the day he died, or at his being

2071
02:03:47,840 --> 02:03:51,080
Speaker 9: married to a white woman did not allow. He didn't

2072
02:03:51,120 --> 02:03:55,960
Speaker 9: stutter in fighting for black freedom, and it cost him

2073
02:03:55,960 --> 02:04:00,640
Speaker 9: his livelihood in the music industry and the movie industry

2074
02:04:01,080 --> 02:04:04,040
Speaker 9: because of his political stance, because of his support of

2075
02:04:04,120 --> 02:04:07,960
Speaker 9: doctor King, because of his support of SELC and his

2076
02:04:08,040 --> 02:04:11,720
Speaker 9: support of Snake and NCP another where he went in

2077
02:04:11,760 --> 02:04:14,080
Speaker 9: the field. These are people who were raising money by

2078
02:04:14,120 --> 02:04:17,440
Speaker 9: whatever means necessary to finance those who was fighting in

2079
02:04:17,440 --> 02:04:19,760
Speaker 9: the field. And Belafontine was on the front line of that,

2080
02:04:20,600 --> 02:04:24,120
Speaker 9: and so you have to Malcolm said, you know, after

2081
02:04:24,160 --> 02:04:27,080
Speaker 9: he went overseas and he had to deal with the

2082
02:04:27,640 --> 02:04:29,880
Speaker 9: Muslim world and they said, well, you can't just judge

2083
02:04:29,880 --> 02:04:32,680
Speaker 9: people by the color of their skin. And Malcolm said,

2084
02:04:32,680 --> 02:04:34,800
Speaker 9: he learned he had to judge people by the content

2085
02:04:34,880 --> 02:04:38,400
Speaker 9: of their character. That is the law of nature. The

2086
02:04:38,480 --> 02:04:41,280
Speaker 9: law of nature. Don't judge you by the color of

2087
02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:43,520
Speaker 9: your skin, because if you did that, there's a lot

2088
02:04:43,520 --> 02:04:46,760
Speaker 9: of black people, people we would call black, who would

2089
02:04:46,800 --> 02:04:52,720
Speaker 9: pass for white and they're not white. So if you're

2090
02:04:52,760 --> 02:04:55,360
Speaker 9: going to judge them because of their skin color, and

2091
02:04:55,960 --> 02:04:58,400
Speaker 9: that's what we got to back up off of what happened.

2092
02:05:00,320 --> 02:05:02,240
Speaker 1: When we get back, we've got to take a short

2093
02:05:02,280 --> 02:05:05,840
Speaker 1: break here, Professor small Bes as i mentioned, doctor Jay

2094
02:05:05,920 --> 02:05:09,800
Speaker 1: led into that caller who asked that question about Harry Belafonte. Family,

2095
02:05:09,800 --> 02:05:12,560
Speaker 1: you want to join this conversation at Black Black History,

2096
02:05:12,600 --> 02:05:14,400
Speaker 1: reach out to us at eight hundred and four or

2097
02:05:14,440 --> 02:05:17,440
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your

2098
02:05:17,440 --> 02:05:20,280
Speaker 1: phone calls next and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling

2099
02:05:20,280 --> 02:05:22,040
Speaker 1: with us on this Thursday morning with our guest, the

2100
02:05:22,080 --> 02:05:24,680
Speaker 1: Professor James Small. Professor Small's one of our grills, it's

2101
02:05:24,720 --> 02:05:28,640
Speaker 1: one of the most rated fellas in our community. So

2102
02:05:28,680 --> 02:05:30,960
Speaker 1: all of our scholars are elders who you know. We

2103
02:05:31,040 --> 02:05:33,480
Speaker 1: got a problem. This is we returned to Professor James Small.

2104
02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:36,080
Speaker 1: Before we go back to the let me just remind well, well,

2105
02:05:36,080 --> 02:05:38,080
Speaker 1: first we got out of our condolences to the family

2106
02:05:38,480 --> 02:05:41,520
Speaker 1: and the friends and also are the fans of Lamont maclamore.

2107
02:05:41,800 --> 02:05:43,839
Speaker 1: He was one of the founding members of the Fifth Dimension.

2108
02:05:43,880 --> 02:05:45,640
Speaker 1: Those are your certain age remember them back in the

2109
02:05:45,680 --> 02:05:50,720
Speaker 1: sixties and early seventies, Stringer Hits. He's also a professional photographer. Well,

2110
02:05:50,800 --> 02:05:54,320
Speaker 1: Lamont Macklamore mac as they called him, passed away two

2111
02:05:54,360 --> 02:05:57,280
Speaker 1: days ago. He was ninety years old. Tomorrow Friday, and

2112
02:05:57,360 --> 02:05:58,720
Speaker 1: we're going to give you a chance to free your

2113
02:05:58,720 --> 02:06:00,800
Speaker 1: mind and join us for our open Phone Friday program.

2114
02:06:01,560 --> 02:06:03,160
Speaker 1: When we say free your mind just means just think

2115
02:06:03,200 --> 02:06:05,800
Speaker 1: for yourself, believe the talking points behind and hit us

2116
02:06:05,880 --> 02:06:07,880
Speaker 1: up as we start at six am Eastern time right

2117
02:06:07,920 --> 02:06:10,600
Speaker 1: here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB and also in

2118
02:06:10,680 --> 02:06:14,640
Speaker 1: the DMV era we're on fourteen fifteen WL. So Professor

2119
02:06:14,640 --> 02:06:17,040
Speaker 1: Small to go back to that confrontation with that caller

2120
02:06:17,280 --> 02:06:19,800
Speaker 1: and doctor J. And he says, well, doctor Jacob Wheelie

2121
02:06:19,920 --> 02:06:22,960
Speaker 1: deduct some points from Harry because he married a white woman.

2122
02:06:23,120 --> 02:06:24,960
Speaker 1: So I'll let you finish all that just got and

2123
02:06:25,040 --> 02:06:27,040
Speaker 1: clear it up for us. The doctor J went off

2124
02:06:27,080 --> 02:06:27,400
Speaker 1: on you.

2125
02:06:27,360 --> 02:06:28,600
Speaker 5: No, you can't.

2126
02:06:29,200 --> 02:06:34,840
Speaker 9: Harry Belafonte's life and his activism and his support of

2127
02:06:34,880 --> 02:06:37,840
Speaker 9: the freedom movement and the civil rights movement and the

2128
02:06:37,960 --> 02:06:41,560
Speaker 9: ford of doctor King and Stokey Krmichael and Snake and.

2129
02:06:42,360 --> 02:06:46,280
Speaker 5: Speaks for itself, speaks for itself.

2130
02:06:46,840 --> 02:06:50,880
Speaker 9: Having married someone who was white did not stop or

2131
02:06:51,040 --> 02:06:56,600
Speaker 9: minimize or marginalive his work for freedom. Frederick Douglas, whose

2132
02:06:56,600 --> 02:06:59,960
Speaker 9: first wife was an African woman and his last wife

2133
02:07:00,080 --> 02:07:03,800
Speaker 9: for the white woman, did not marginalize or minimize the

2134
02:07:03,880 --> 02:07:07,800
Speaker 9: contribution fed Douglas maid. He's actually considered the father of

2135
02:07:07,880 --> 02:07:11,840
Speaker 9: the civil rights movement. Check On Tada, who was one

2136
02:07:11,920 --> 02:07:15,160
Speaker 9: of the greatest scientists we had in recent times that

2137
02:07:15,240 --> 02:07:19,640
Speaker 9: come out of Africa. But it is you know, multiple books,

2138
02:07:19,680 --> 02:07:23,480
Speaker 9: but civilisation and barbarism and showing us that Kimi was black.

2139
02:07:23,800 --> 02:07:27,880
Speaker 9: He was married also to a European French woman. Because

2140
02:07:27,880 --> 02:07:32,960
Speaker 9: a part of growing up in colonial society, and especially

2141
02:07:33,040 --> 02:07:36,800
Speaker 9: when you get an opportunity to get into the institutional

2142
02:07:37,360 --> 02:07:41,120
Speaker 9: framework of these colonial society and you allow some modicum

2143
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Speaker 9: of freedom, you're in that community with whites and with blacks,

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02:07:46,280 --> 02:07:51,920
Speaker 9: and relationships developed differently. Like I said, there've never been

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02:07:51,960 --> 02:07:55,400
Speaker 9: a time where they've been a total segregation, unless be going.

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02:07:55,360 --> 02:08:00,480
Speaker 5: To go back before the Greek you know, or even

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02:08:00,560 --> 02:08:01,600
Speaker 5: before the Hike sauce.

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Speaker 9: So I would prefer my preference for symbolism purposes because

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02:08:08,440 --> 02:08:12,280
Speaker 9: of the history of genocide, would prefer that our leadership

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02:08:12,280 --> 02:08:17,360
Speaker 9: would not marry non African persons, you know, because I

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02:08:17,400 --> 02:08:21,040
Speaker 9: don't think the community from which the persons come from

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02:08:21,520 --> 02:08:26,160
Speaker 9: deserve the right to have the symbolic relationship of family

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02:08:26,320 --> 02:08:30,760
Speaker 9: with us until that community as a community stands up

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02:08:30,960 --> 02:08:36,680
Speaker 9: against racism, white supremacy, and the atrocities and genocide that

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02:08:36,840 --> 02:08:41,920
Speaker 9: have been followed us for the last fifteen hundred two

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02:08:41,960 --> 02:08:45,200
Speaker 9: thousand years and particularly in the last five hundred years

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02:08:45,480 --> 02:08:48,960
Speaker 9: on the part of European families. Though they've had a

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02:08:49,000 --> 02:08:54,200
Speaker 9: critical leadership doing this for them, European families have profited

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Speaker 9: from the genocidal relationship they've put upon African peoples, all

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02:09:01,120 --> 02:09:06,040
Speaker 9: European families have profited, and so they have the responsibility

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02:09:06,560 --> 02:09:11,480
Speaker 9: to help destroy the institution that have been established around

2162
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:14,680
Speaker 9: the genocide of African peoples that we call white supremacy.

2163
02:09:15,480 --> 02:09:17,960
Speaker 9: But Bellefonte was a revolutionary.

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Speaker 5: His work speaks for itself.

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Speaker 9: But mc douglas was a revolutionary. His work speaks for itself.

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Speaker 9: Check out the deal for the scientist, a scholar, and

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02:09:28,600 --> 02:09:31,640
Speaker 9: a revolutionary, and his work speaks for itself. And all

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Speaker 9: three of them, in some portion of their lives, is

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Speaker 9: married to white persons. And like I said, many of

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Speaker 9: the people in the underground railroad, at least one third

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02:09:42,960 --> 02:09:48,520
Speaker 9: of them that help Harriet Tubman or white people, right,

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02:09:49,040 --> 02:09:51,880
Speaker 9: many of the people in the maroon communities, that means

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02:09:51,920 --> 02:09:54,320
Speaker 9: the communities of blacks who ran am into the swamps

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Speaker 9: of Virginia, South Carolina, and North Carolina Florida doing slavery,

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02:09:58,280 --> 02:10:02,400
Speaker 9: or white people. Because the Africans did not operate from

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02:10:02,440 --> 02:10:06,600
Speaker 9: the position of race based on the color of their skin.

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02:10:07,200 --> 02:10:10,800
Speaker 9: Africans operated from the position based on human character and

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02:10:10,880 --> 02:10:16,800
Speaker 9: human behavior. And so we're constantly being trapped into playing

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Speaker 9: the color of the skin or the race game because

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Speaker 9: of the genocide. But that's not the culture of African people.

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02:10:27,320 --> 02:10:30,320
Speaker 9: We do not come out of a culture of racism

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02:10:30,760 --> 02:10:36,000
Speaker 9: or even racialism. That's not our culture, but we've been

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Speaker 9: forced into that because of the genocide of racism that

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Speaker 9: have been heaped on us, especially for the last five

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Speaker 9: hundred years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, old, I thought that because I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about some of the pillars in the Black community at

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Speaker 1: thirteen away from the top of Professor Small, the Black Church,

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02:10:54,480 --> 02:10:57,600
Speaker 1: the Masons, the Prince Hall Nations, and also the Boulet.

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Speaker 1: But let's start with the Black Church, because it seems

2191
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Speaker 1: like get a bad rap, all those.

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Speaker 9: Bad rap and I come out of the Black Church.

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02:11:10,080 --> 02:11:14,400
Speaker 9: The Black Church is just that it's not the white church.

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Speaker 9: But a lot of us don't realize that when we're young,

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Speaker 9: especially when we become activists, and most most activists that

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Speaker 9: we know grew up in the church and learned the

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02:11:26,600 --> 02:11:32,200
Speaker 9: activism from the church. But because the church in the

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02:11:32,280 --> 02:11:36,080
Speaker 9: hands of white people was such a symbol of our oppression,

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Speaker 9: turning against the white church also meant turning against the

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Speaker 9: Black Church. Without truly studying what was the difference between

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Speaker 9: the two institutions and what is currently the difference between

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Speaker 9: the two institutions. You know, the church was the only

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02:11:53,400 --> 02:11:58,040
Speaker 9: sanctuary that we were allowed by a terrorist government that

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02:11:58,240 --> 02:12:02,760
Speaker 9: was practicing genocide against even after the Civil War, because

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Speaker 9: it's after the Civil War that most black churches have

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02:12:05,640 --> 02:12:08,840
Speaker 9: founded and built, even though some have founded before the

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Speaker 9: Civil War. For instance, in seventeen forty nine, the African

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02:12:15,920 --> 02:12:20,880
Speaker 9: Baptist Church is founded in Savannah, Georgia. And when the people,

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Speaker 9: African people of Savannah, Georgia founded the African Baptist Church,

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Speaker 9: they had not been a white Baptist church established in Savannah,

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02:12:29,240 --> 02:12:32,960
Speaker 9: Georgia yet at that time, and so Africans had a

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02:12:33,000 --> 02:12:35,200
Speaker 9: knowledge and understanding of this institution.

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02:12:35,360 --> 02:12:36,280
Speaker 5: They learned from some.

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Speaker 9: Of it over here, and they brought some of it

2215
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Speaker 9: with it. If you study Laron Bennett, you find that

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02:12:41,320 --> 02:12:44,200
Speaker 9: many Africans came over here and they were already practiced

2217
02:12:44,240 --> 02:12:48,320
Speaker 9: in Christianity. Many came over here were already practiced in Islam.

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02:12:49,360 --> 02:12:52,760
Speaker 9: And so that's why it's important to study history to

2219
02:12:52,880 --> 02:12:56,480
Speaker 9: know why we did what we did. The African Church.

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02:12:56,920 --> 02:13:01,040
Speaker 9: The Christian Church in Ethiopia is five years older than

2221
02:13:01,040 --> 02:13:04,320
Speaker 9: the Catholic Church and a thousand years older than White

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02:13:04,400 --> 02:13:05,240
Speaker 9: Protestant Church.

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Speaker 5: So what do we do with that bit of history?

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02:13:07,640 --> 02:13:07,840
Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 9: And remember, when people are coming over, their institutions are

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Speaker 9: still in their mind, they still have a memory. That's

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02:13:17,120 --> 02:13:21,400
Speaker 9: why history is important. History is memory restored. History is

2228
02:13:21,440 --> 02:13:24,480
Speaker 9: the activity and the behavior and the teachings and the

2229
02:13:24,480 --> 02:13:28,600
Speaker 9: instructions of your ancestors. And if you don't have that,

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02:13:28,880 --> 02:13:29,920
Speaker 9: you can't go forward.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me tell me here, a professor small, I

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02:13:33,960 --> 02:13:35,920
Speaker 1: guess that the attack on the Black church from some

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02:13:36,000 --> 02:13:39,080
Speaker 1: areas in our communities, that they what they do is

2234
02:13:39,120 --> 02:13:41,920
Speaker 1: just speaking, you know this like white folks, but with

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02:13:42,000 --> 02:13:45,360
Speaker 1: the black skins speaking about trying to sell us a

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02:13:45,400 --> 02:13:48,200
Speaker 1: bill of goods about Jesus. That's how some folks.

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02:13:48,360 --> 02:13:50,600
Speaker 5: And I've been, I've been in that space.

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02:13:50,720 --> 02:13:53,360
Speaker 9: I think I've attacked the Black church more than anybody.

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02:13:53,680 --> 02:13:57,160
Speaker 5: I mean, I've kicked the churches. But over the.

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Speaker 9: Years and then I learned history and learned better. Most

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Speaker 9: of the black schools built in this country, thousands of

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02:14:06,040 --> 02:14:10,480
Speaker 9: black schools built across this country right following the end

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02:14:10,520 --> 02:14:14,320
Speaker 9: of slavery and the beginning of the nineteenth century or

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02:14:14,400 --> 02:14:17,680
Speaker 9: the twentieth century, was built by the black churches, now

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02:14:17,720 --> 02:14:22,200
Speaker 9: by white people. Many of the black colleges in this country,

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02:14:22,320 --> 02:14:27,480
Speaker 9: in the h ACBU in this country was.

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02:14:27,400 --> 02:14:28,720
Speaker 5: Built by black churches.

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02:14:29,520 --> 02:14:29,720
Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 9: I remember going up in South Carolina and Allen University

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Speaker 9: which was built by the I think the Methodist Church

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02:14:38,600 --> 02:14:42,720
Speaker 9: of the Baptist Church, and then Benedict College which was

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02:14:42,760 --> 02:14:46,800
Speaker 9: built by the Methodist Church, and you had others. And

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02:14:46,840 --> 02:14:49,240
Speaker 9: this was that same across the country. These were black

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02:14:49,240 --> 02:14:52,160
Speaker 9: people put in their little pennies together coming out of

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02:14:52,200 --> 02:14:56,040
Speaker 9: these churches, creating these community the power behind most of

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Speaker 9: the churches. And this was the dysfunction, and there's a

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02:14:58,840 --> 02:15:02,560
Speaker 9: dysfunction going on in many churches today where the church

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02:15:02,600 --> 02:15:06,800
Speaker 9: has stopped being the van god of liberation. For much

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02:15:06,840 --> 02:15:10,800
Speaker 9: of the period following slavery, up until eighteen, I mean

2260
02:15:10,960 --> 02:15:14,000
Speaker 9: nineteen sixty five, the church was one of the van

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02:15:14,160 --> 02:15:18,920
Speaker 9: gods of the black liberation process. That has changed significantly

2262
02:15:19,480 --> 02:15:22,880
Speaker 9: where the church have become just a place to teach theology,

2263
02:15:23,640 --> 02:15:27,760
Speaker 9: place to teach religion. And the church is no longer

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02:15:27,800 --> 02:15:31,880
Speaker 9: building the hundreds and hundreds of credit unions that they

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02:15:31,960 --> 02:15:34,920
Speaker 9: built between eighteen sixty five and nineteen thirty on the

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02:15:35,080 --> 02:15:38,120
Speaker 9: Stock twenty nine in the stock Market christ the church

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02:15:38,200 --> 02:15:43,240
Speaker 9: is no longer the ones assisting in building the black.

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02:15:43,960 --> 02:15:45,120
Speaker 5: What we call wall steaks.

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02:15:45,200 --> 02:15:49,720
Speaker 9: It wasn't just Tulsa, it was almost every area of America,

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02:15:50,120 --> 02:15:55,200
Speaker 9: from Mumbaio, Mississippi, to Wilmington, North Carolina, to Rosewood, Florida.

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02:15:55,600 --> 02:16:00,720
Speaker 9: These black communities Charlotte, North Carolina, you know, built by

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02:16:00,880 --> 02:16:05,080
Speaker 9: black people who were using the church as the sanctuary

2273
02:16:05,600 --> 02:16:08,520
Speaker 9: because that was the only place we were given sanctuary.

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02:16:08,560 --> 02:16:10,080
Speaker 5: We couldn't build.

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02:16:09,760 --> 02:16:14,400
Speaker 9: An African institution, Oberty, so the church we were allowed

2276
02:16:14,400 --> 02:16:17,400
Speaker 9: to have as a sanctuary. So we built as much

2277
02:16:17,400 --> 02:16:21,640
Speaker 9: of Africa as we could remember in that church. And

2278
02:16:21,720 --> 02:16:24,960
Speaker 9: we contributed to the development of the black community, especially

2279
02:16:25,680 --> 02:16:30,400
Speaker 9: the development of the civil rights movement, the development of

2280
02:16:30,760 --> 02:16:34,840
Speaker 9: much of the economic institution, banks, credit unions. These things

2281
02:16:34,879 --> 02:16:36,320
Speaker 9: came out of the black churches.

2282
02:16:37,000 --> 02:16:37,959
Speaker 5: And we have been.

2283
02:16:39,320 --> 02:16:44,439
Speaker 9: Because of our anger with the white church betrayal of humanity.

2284
02:16:45,280 --> 02:16:47,880
Speaker 9: We have turned and I did it to against the

2285
02:16:47,879 --> 02:16:52,640
Speaker 9: Black church without properly analyzing its historical role. And the

2286
02:16:52,720 --> 02:16:56,440
Speaker 9: same way with freemasonry, and the same way with the boulet.

2287
02:16:57,480 --> 02:16:59,840
Speaker 9: I'm sure the bulet are made up of people who

2288
02:17:00,440 --> 02:17:05,400
Speaker 9: uh back with and and and and missing form, but

2289
02:17:05,600 --> 02:17:09,520
Speaker 9: the bulet also played a key role in building the

2290
02:17:09,720 --> 02:17:15,320
Speaker 9: kinds of institutions and taking aspects of control of politics

2291
02:17:15,320 --> 02:17:19,720
Speaker 9: in the black community. Uh, they have more, they have

2292
02:17:19,840 --> 02:17:22,840
Speaker 9: done more with that than than any other organization we have.

2293
02:17:23,520 --> 02:17:27,720
Speaker 9: But because one about critical radicals, who was my friend,

2294
02:17:28,320 --> 02:17:31,440
Speaker 9: you know, brother see was so critical of their role

2295
02:17:31,480 --> 02:17:35,360
Speaker 9: in Chicago during the Howard Washington time, we made the

2296
02:17:35,400 --> 02:17:38,920
Speaker 9: bulet the boogeyman with don't even know what the bulet is.

2297
02:17:39,000 --> 02:17:42,760
Speaker 9: When was it started? Who started it? Why was it started?

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02:17:43,120 --> 02:17:43,280
Speaker 3: You know?

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02:17:43,400 --> 02:17:47,879
Speaker 9: It started by I think five or six black uh physicians, uh,

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02:17:48,160 --> 02:17:52,000
Speaker 9: dentists uh, and lawyers. Really just started by a second

2301
02:17:52,040 --> 02:17:56,240
Speaker 9: year dental student, okay in Philadelphia, and he brought these

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02:17:56,280 --> 02:18:00,000
Speaker 9: other professionals in as a way to create a professionals

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02:18:00,000 --> 02:18:03,080
Speaker 9: society for black professionals because they weren't allowed to be

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02:18:03,120 --> 02:18:07,480
Speaker 9: a part of the white professional society, you know, and

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02:18:07,840 --> 02:18:10,160
Speaker 9: they and much of they work. If you look over

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02:18:10,160 --> 02:18:14,280
Speaker 9: the years, it was run first as a secret society.

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02:18:14,720 --> 02:18:17,879
Speaker 9: Nobody even knew the thing existed, and even now it's

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02:18:17,920 --> 02:18:21,240
Speaker 9: pretty much a secret society. And in all these years

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02:18:21,240 --> 02:18:26,600
Speaker 9: that has existed, they only have about five thousand members

2310
02:18:27,080 --> 02:18:31,360
Speaker 9: worldwide because it's very restricted about who comes into his ranks.

2311
02:18:32,080 --> 02:18:34,320
Speaker 9: And one of the things you've got to be committed

2312
02:18:34,360 --> 02:18:38,240
Speaker 9: to is helping to build a black community. And I'm

2313
02:18:38,240 --> 02:18:40,440
Speaker 9: sure you're going to have some corrupt people and they're like,

2314
02:18:40,520 --> 02:18:45,080
Speaker 9: you're having the organization, but let's not condemn the organization

2315
02:18:45,920 --> 02:18:50,080
Speaker 9: because they have bad players. Because if that's the case,

2316
02:18:50,280 --> 02:18:54,280
Speaker 9: everything anybody, any organization have done, it is worthy of

2317
02:18:54,320 --> 02:18:58,400
Speaker 9: total condemnation. And we've made that mistake because.

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02:18:58,480 --> 02:19:01,720
Speaker 5: Especially in the sixth Siaes moved radically.

2319
02:19:01,240 --> 02:19:08,200
Speaker 9: Left and the white Marxists became our primary revolutionary instructors.

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02:19:08,800 --> 02:19:11,360
Speaker 9: One of the things they taught us to do was

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02:19:11,440 --> 02:19:15,600
Speaker 9: to attack black institutions. And when we look back, many

2322
02:19:15,600 --> 02:19:20,320
Speaker 9: of those white Marxists were actually Dionist people who wanted

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02:19:20,360 --> 02:19:24,120
Speaker 9: to take the place of those black institutions influence in

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02:19:24,240 --> 02:19:25,240
Speaker 9: the black community.

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Speaker 5: It's a good book on it.

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02:19:28,800 --> 02:19:32,840
Speaker 9: If you study Plural About Equal by doctor Harold Cruse

2327
02:19:33,760 --> 02:19:37,400
Speaker 9: and Looking at Shaping a Black America by Laron Bennett,

2328
02:19:38,160 --> 02:19:40,920
Speaker 9: they'll take you a long way to understand what I'm saying.

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02:19:42,040 --> 02:19:44,840
Speaker 9: You know, we've got to read. That's why history is important.

2330
02:19:44,879 --> 02:19:47,320
Speaker 9: You got to study the history to erase the mystery.

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02:19:48,680 --> 02:19:51,000
Speaker 1: All right, hold on the right. The Professor Small to

2332
02:19:51,040 --> 02:19:53,959
Speaker 1: take a short breaksauce stations can identify themselves down the line,

2333
02:19:54,080 --> 02:19:55,440
Speaker 1: and we got some folks want to talk to you

2334
02:19:55,440 --> 02:19:57,640
Speaker 1: already and get more into the boulet. Also, don't want

2335
02:19:57,640 --> 02:19:59,640
Speaker 1: to talk about the Prince Hall Nations because some people

2336
02:19:59,640 --> 02:20:02,240
Speaker 1: think they're fake. They're not the real deal. I want

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02:20:02,280 --> 02:20:04,400
Speaker 1: to explain all of that for us. Family, you want

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02:20:04,400 --> 02:20:07,360
Speaker 1: to join this conversation with Professor James Small, reach out

2339
02:20:07,400 --> 02:20:10,240
Speaker 1: to us at eight hundred four or five zero seventy

2340
02:20:10,240 --> 02:20:13,000
Speaker 1: eight seventy six and we'll take your phone calls next

2341
02:20:13,120 --> 02:20:15,520
Speaker 1: and Grand Rising family, thanks for rolling with us on

2342
02:20:15,560 --> 02:20:18,520
Speaker 1: this Thursday morning. Here. Our guest is Professor James Small.

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02:20:18,520 --> 02:20:20,960
Speaker 1: Professor Small, it's one of our grills and our scholars

2344
02:20:20,959 --> 02:20:23,760
Speaker 1: in our community discussing a Black History Month. This is

2345
02:20:23,800 --> 02:20:26,280
Speaker 1: the one hundredth anniversary of Black History Month. And similarly

2346
02:20:26,400 --> 02:20:28,960
Speaker 1: the pillars in our history. We talked about the Black Church.

2347
02:20:29,000 --> 02:20:31,080
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about Prince Hall Mason and also

2348
02:20:31,120 --> 02:20:33,400
Speaker 1: the boulet because some people think the boulet is a negative.

2349
02:20:33,560 --> 02:20:36,600
Speaker 1: All these issues Professor Small is going to clear up

2350
02:20:36,600 --> 02:20:37,840
Speaker 1: for us, and we got some folks want to talk

2351
02:20:37,879 --> 02:20:39,720
Speaker 1: to him. Got some tweet numbers for him as well,

2352
02:20:39,879 --> 02:20:42,560
Speaker 1: but also Professor Small. Before we take a call, a

2353
02:20:42,640 --> 02:20:44,600
Speaker 1: caller wanted you to repeat the names of those two

2354
02:20:44,600 --> 02:20:46,280
Speaker 1: books that you mentioned and the authors.

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02:20:47,360 --> 02:20:51,160
Speaker 9: Yes, sir, doctor Laron Bennett. You know doctor Bennett is

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02:20:51,160 --> 02:20:51,800
Speaker 9: an ancestor.

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Speaker 5: Now he wrote a number but one of this classic

2358
02:20:54,640 --> 02:20:55,680
Speaker 5: is The.

2359
02:20:55,520 --> 02:21:00,680
Speaker 9: History of Black People called Before the Mayflower and the

2360
02:21:00,760 --> 02:21:05,400
Speaker 9: Revised Edition. But one of his classic political analyzing pieces

2361
02:21:05,440 --> 02:21:09,240
Speaker 9: called The Shaping of Black America by doctor Ron Bennett.

2362
02:21:09,840 --> 02:21:12,800
Speaker 9: And a book that has almost been hidden is called

2363
02:21:12,840 --> 02:21:18,080
Speaker 9: Plural but Equal by doctor Harold Cruz. Doctor Cruz's classical

2364
02:21:18,160 --> 02:21:23,840
Speaker 9: book is The Crisis of the Negro Intellectual, which is

2365
02:21:23,920 --> 02:21:29,080
Speaker 9: also one that I would recommend we study as well

2366
02:21:29,120 --> 02:21:34,720
Speaker 9: as Cottage Woodson's rationale when he writes The Miseducation of

2367
02:21:34,760 --> 02:21:38,520
Speaker 9: the Negro. You know, he was reacting to something. And

2368
02:21:38,640 --> 02:21:40,960
Speaker 9: let's just go back to Africa for a minute. They're

2369
02:21:40,959 --> 02:21:44,760
Speaker 9: in the same situation we were in forty fifty years ago.

2370
02:21:45,560 --> 02:21:51,840
Speaker 9: Most curriculars in Africa was written by the colonial enslavers Africans,

2371
02:21:51,879 --> 02:21:54,119
Speaker 9: although the continent of Africa is doing the same thing

2372
02:21:54,120 --> 02:21:57,600
Speaker 9: we did in the sixties, fighting to have a black curricula,

2373
02:21:57,720 --> 02:22:00,640
Speaker 9: fighting to have their history told in their own countries.

2374
02:22:01,480 --> 02:22:06,160
Speaker 9: You understand me. Colonialism was and is slavery, and it

2375
02:22:06,240 --> 02:22:08,360
Speaker 9: did the same thing to our people on the continent

2376
02:22:08,440 --> 02:22:11,160
Speaker 9: that he did here. You know, they may still have

2377
02:22:11,360 --> 02:22:17,720
Speaker 9: many remnants of their culture, especially physical remnants clothing, style, dress, drumming, dancing,

2378
02:22:17,760 --> 02:22:18,240
Speaker 9: and music.

2379
02:22:18,480 --> 02:22:19,840
Speaker 5: We have those things too.

2380
02:22:20,320 --> 02:22:22,520
Speaker 9: We couldn't use the drumming. We took the shoes and

2381
02:22:22,560 --> 02:22:26,120
Speaker 9: created tap dancing that was drumming. So we've got to

2382
02:22:26,160 --> 02:22:29,200
Speaker 9: really understand the nature of culture and the nature of

2383
02:22:29,360 --> 02:22:30,000
Speaker 9: history and the.

2384
02:22:29,959 --> 02:22:31,240
Speaker 5: Importance of history.

2385
02:22:32,400 --> 02:22:36,320
Speaker 9: If we understand the importance of history, we'll recognize that

2386
02:22:36,440 --> 02:22:41,680
Speaker 9: we were never destroyed our africanness. Yes, our memory was

2387
02:22:41,720 --> 02:22:47,760
Speaker 9: reduced considerably. Our institutions had to be reconstructed, the church

2388
02:22:49,080 --> 02:22:52,720
Speaker 9: and especially that period between the Civil War and nineteen

2389
02:22:52,840 --> 02:22:57,720
Speaker 9: sixty five with an African institution, and it did a

2390
02:22:57,720 --> 02:23:02,000
Speaker 9: lot of African things in the process of the rights

2391
02:23:02,040 --> 02:23:06,199
Speaker 9: of passage what we call baptism. White people use baptism

2392
02:23:06,280 --> 02:23:09,440
Speaker 9: one way. Black people use baptism another way, you know.

2393
02:23:09,480 --> 02:23:13,400
Speaker 5: So we need to understand these things, and if we don't,

2394
02:23:13,680 --> 02:23:14,680
Speaker 5: we're going to be in trouble.

2395
02:23:14,680 --> 02:23:17,039
Speaker 9: And the only way we will understand these things is

2396
02:23:17,080 --> 02:23:20,480
Speaker 9: to go into history. How many people knew that in

2397
02:23:20,560 --> 02:23:24,000
Speaker 9: eighteen ninety two there was a black organization called the

2398
02:23:24,200 --> 02:23:28,600
Speaker 9: Afro American Lead before Malcolm X used the term Afro American.

2399
02:23:28,959 --> 02:23:33,520
Speaker 9: This was black women forming this organization in Rochester, New York.

2400
02:23:33,560 --> 02:23:36,520
Speaker 9: Along with the leadership whether they put in leadership called T.

2401
02:23:36,680 --> 02:23:41,760
Speaker 9: Thomas Fortune, who was one of Booker T. Washington's generals

2402
02:23:42,400 --> 02:23:45,879
Speaker 9: and became a part of the Garbye organization after Booker died.

2403
02:23:46,440 --> 02:23:49,280
Speaker 9: If you don't know history, you will know T. Thomas Fortune.

2404
02:23:49,440 --> 02:23:51,600
Speaker 9: You want to know he was under the greatest black

2405
02:23:51,800 --> 02:23:55,960
Speaker 9: editors in the nineteenth and early twentieth century of newspapers,

2406
02:23:56,040 --> 02:23:58,920
Speaker 9: black newspapers in this country. And so we need to

2407
02:23:59,040 --> 02:24:03,240
Speaker 9: understand these things. And that's why collegey Woodson fought so

2408
02:24:03,480 --> 02:24:08,320
Speaker 9: hard for us to understand the importance of studying our history.

2409
02:24:08,720 --> 02:24:12,200
Speaker 9: And the History Week which is now one hundred years

2410
02:24:12,520 --> 02:24:15,280
Speaker 9: and the History Month which is fifty years, was an

2411
02:24:15,320 --> 02:24:19,039
Speaker 9: effort to emphasize the importance of studying.

2412
02:24:18,680 --> 02:24:20,080
Speaker 5: Your history three hundred.

2413
02:24:19,840 --> 02:24:23,760
Speaker 9: And sixty five days, but celebrate at least a moment

2414
02:24:24,120 --> 02:24:26,600
Speaker 9: to show the importance of why you should study it.

2415
02:24:27,040 --> 02:24:30,560
Speaker 9: And that's what I think Black history month is. And

2416
02:24:30,600 --> 02:24:33,600
Speaker 9: so when we comes to organizations like the Boulet and

2417
02:24:33,640 --> 02:24:37,000
Speaker 9: the Prince All Masonry, why and how were they formed?

2418
02:24:37,440 --> 02:24:39,760
Speaker 9: You know, Prince All Masons would not called Prince All

2419
02:24:40,440 --> 02:24:44,480
Speaker 9: Masons when they were first born back in the seventeen hundred.

2420
02:24:44,879 --> 02:24:48,680
Speaker 9: They would call the Free African Lodge. And our mother

2421
02:24:48,800 --> 02:24:53,840
Speaker 9: Lodge up in Boston is still called the Free African Lodge.

2422
02:24:54,520 --> 02:24:58,440
Speaker 9: And we're the only methodic organization in America that can

2423
02:24:58,520 --> 02:25:02,279
Speaker 9: produce a charter that came out of the Grand Lodge

2424
02:25:02,320 --> 02:25:06,199
Speaker 9: of Scotland and England. The White Lodge can't produce any charter.

2425
02:25:06,320 --> 02:25:08,400
Speaker 9: They say they got one, tell them to produce it.

2426
02:25:08,840 --> 02:25:09,960
Speaker 9: We can produce one.

2427
02:25:10,800 --> 02:25:11,160
Speaker 5: And so.

2428
02:25:12,600 --> 02:25:15,279
Speaker 9: The Free Masons as we know it in the West

2429
02:25:16,040 --> 02:25:21,280
Speaker 9: was not the first African secret society. I mean the

2430
02:25:21,320 --> 02:25:26,760
Speaker 9: African wisdom system, the African sacred science system, which is

2431
02:25:26,800 --> 02:25:30,480
Speaker 9: known in the world today as the African mystery system

2432
02:25:30,640 --> 02:25:35,920
Speaker 9: out of which Freemason evolves has always existed and still exists,

2433
02:25:37,360 --> 02:25:39,760
Speaker 9: and I know people who are members of it. Only

2434
02:25:39,760 --> 02:25:43,600
Speaker 9: there is hardly an African traditional leader who is not.

2435
02:25:43,600 --> 02:25:44,280
Speaker 5: A member of it.

2436
02:25:44,360 --> 02:25:46,640
Speaker 9: When you see people wearing that leopard skin and those

2437
02:25:46,720 --> 02:25:50,879
Speaker 9: lepred cads in Africa that is symbolic of something study

2438
02:25:51,000 --> 02:25:56,000
Speaker 9: the Leopard society in Africa, okay, doing slavey. They led

2439
02:25:56,040 --> 02:25:59,840
Speaker 9: one of the greatest resistance movements against slavey and colonialism.

2440
02:26:00,240 --> 02:26:03,840
Speaker 9: Those were members of the African Mystery system or the

2441
02:26:03,920 --> 02:26:07,640
Speaker 9: Free the society, out of which the white Man, through

2442
02:26:07,680 --> 02:26:11,640
Speaker 9: the Knights Templars invasion of the Middle East Northeast Africa

2443
02:26:12,000 --> 02:26:17,080
Speaker 9: produced what they call Freemasonry. And so we, having been

2444
02:26:17,800 --> 02:26:21,959
Speaker 9: enslaved and captives in America, when we saw the institution,

2445
02:26:22,080 --> 02:26:26,040
Speaker 9: we recognized it. And so Prince Hall and others were

2446
02:26:26,400 --> 02:26:30,880
Speaker 9: inductrinated into an Irish lodge. At that time, the Irish

2447
02:26:30,920 --> 02:26:34,160
Speaker 9: was not even considered to be white people, and so

2448
02:26:34,280 --> 02:26:37,640
Speaker 9: they inducted these blacks in Boston into the lodge because

2449
02:26:37,640 --> 02:26:40,240
Speaker 9: we were serving in the British military with them. It

2450
02:26:40,360 --> 02:26:44,080
Speaker 9: was a military lodge. And when the war, the Revolutionary

2451
02:26:44,160 --> 02:26:47,520
Speaker 9: War was over, the Irish who went back home with

2452
02:26:47,640 --> 02:26:55,199
Speaker 9: their British counterparts, they invited Prince All and the others

2453
02:26:55,240 --> 02:26:58,480
Speaker 9: to leave America come with them, and they said no.

2454
02:26:58,920 --> 02:27:01,400
Speaker 9: They stayed over here because Prince All and those brothers

2455
02:27:01,440 --> 02:27:04,720
Speaker 9: who founded what became known as the Prince All Masons,

2456
02:27:05,040 --> 02:27:09,000
Speaker 9: which first was known as the Free African Lodge. They

2457
02:27:09,040 --> 02:27:11,400
Speaker 9: were the band got in the fight against slavery in

2458
02:27:11,440 --> 02:27:16,040
Speaker 9: the black community across North America. They presented Prince Al

2459
02:27:16,160 --> 02:27:18,160
Speaker 9: was one of the ones who presented the first petition

2460
02:27:18,920 --> 02:27:22,200
Speaker 9: to the Massachusetts state government to free all blacks in

2461
02:27:22,240 --> 02:27:23,560
Speaker 9: the state of Massachusetts.

2462
02:27:23,680 --> 02:27:25,080
Speaker 5: It was the Free Prince.

2463
02:27:24,840 --> 02:27:28,680
Speaker 9: All Masons that started the first black public school in

2464
02:27:28,720 --> 02:27:31,240
Speaker 9: this country. And you can go on and on about

2465
02:27:31,240 --> 02:27:33,959
Speaker 9: the work that they have contributed, though they do not

2466
02:27:34,080 --> 02:27:36,360
Speaker 9: take credit for it because they operate not as a

2467
02:27:36,400 --> 02:27:39,680
Speaker 9: secret society but a society of secrets.

2468
02:27:39,600 --> 02:27:40,040
Speaker 5: And what that.

2469
02:27:40,360 --> 02:27:43,000
Speaker 9: And being a member of Prince All myself, and I'm

2470
02:27:43,120 --> 02:27:45,400
Speaker 9: very proud of that, I can't tell you what the

2471
02:27:45,520 --> 02:27:48,240
Speaker 9: secret is. I mean, some of it you can find

2472
02:27:48,280 --> 02:27:51,000
Speaker 9: really if you study the literature that's on the internet now.

2473
02:27:51,040 --> 02:27:54,520
Speaker 9: A lot of literature about Masonries out there, some of bogas,

2474
02:27:54,640 --> 02:27:58,080
Speaker 9: some are backwards, but try to read the parent literature

2475
02:27:58,520 --> 02:28:01,520
Speaker 9: and study the history of a studied the history of

2476
02:28:01,560 --> 02:28:04,840
Speaker 9: the Knights, Templars, the whites who came and declared war

2477
02:28:04,879 --> 02:28:07,400
Speaker 9: on us in the Middle East during the Crusades, and

2478
02:28:07,400 --> 02:28:09,959
Speaker 9: how they got this body of information on how to

2479
02:28:10,240 --> 02:28:14,000
Speaker 9: organize and took it back to Europe to civilize.

2480
02:28:15,200 --> 02:28:17,760
Speaker 1: All right, hold up the right there, professor, Folks want

2481
02:28:17,800 --> 02:28:19,320
Speaker 1: to touch you. Got some tweets for you as well.

2482
02:28:19,520 --> 02:28:22,840
Speaker 1: Jean's calling from Pikesvilly's online one Grand Rising Junior arm

2483
02:28:22,920 --> 02:28:24,600
Speaker 1: with Professor James Small.

2484
02:28:26,320 --> 02:28:30,440
Speaker 16: A grand brother, Doctor Brother Small. You just said it

2485
02:28:30,480 --> 02:28:32,560
Speaker 16: the Knights Templar. I was trying to figure out how

2486
02:28:32,560 --> 02:28:35,560
Speaker 16: to sneak it in in Baltimore. Darren o'hammant is the

2487
02:28:35,600 --> 02:28:38,400
Speaker 16: only one who ever even mentioned the Knights Templar in

2488
02:28:38,440 --> 02:28:43,360
Speaker 16: its position the promise of Zion. You mentioned Zion. My

2489
02:28:43,480 --> 02:28:48,240
Speaker 16: question to you is in reference to Marcia Jews, a

2490
02:28:48,360 --> 02:28:52,480
Speaker 16: journalist in Baltimore WAA. She did a documentary or with

2491
02:28:54,200 --> 02:28:57,640
Speaker 16: jk Oliver of the AFRO and he was talking about

2492
02:28:57,640 --> 02:29:01,520
Speaker 16: the family tradition. And my question to you is really

2493
02:29:01,800 --> 02:29:04,640
Speaker 16: about the am. I grew up in an ame church

2494
02:29:04,760 --> 02:29:09,560
Speaker 16: episcopal what does the episcopal mean? And also, sir, it

2495
02:29:09,840 --> 02:29:14,959
Speaker 16: was the episcopal bishop who endorsed Woodrow Wilson, And that's

2496
02:29:15,000 --> 02:29:18,600
Speaker 16: according to Jakie Aliba. I have the tape I recorded in.

2497
02:29:18,680 --> 02:29:20,560
Speaker 16: Everybody ever wants to listen to it, I can give

2498
02:29:20,600 --> 02:29:22,800
Speaker 16: it to it. Thank you, said very much were mentioning

2499
02:29:22,920 --> 02:29:27,080
Speaker 16: the knights templar and putting them in their proper perspective

2500
02:29:27,280 --> 02:29:29,360
Speaker 16: and God, bless you call, thank you for the work

2501
02:29:29,360 --> 02:29:30,760
Speaker 16: that you do.

2502
02:29:30,879 --> 02:29:35,640
Speaker 9: Yet there we know that five hundred years before there

2503
02:29:35,760 --> 02:29:41,959
Speaker 9: is a Catholic church, there is the Benvantian Church, which

2504
02:29:42,000 --> 02:29:46,280
Speaker 9: is mostly a black church. Out of that church evolved

2505
02:29:47,120 --> 02:29:50,200
Speaker 9: there was two strange what we would call church is

2506
02:29:50,640 --> 02:29:54,480
Speaker 9: the organization. The first was the Coptic Church of Egypt,

2507
02:29:54,600 --> 02:29:57,760
Speaker 9: which is still there in Egypt. That was the black

2508
02:29:57,800 --> 02:30:04,440
Speaker 9: soup broke away from those who the Romans were trying

2509
02:30:04,480 --> 02:30:08,320
Speaker 9: to take the body of literature on how to live

2510
02:30:08,480 --> 02:30:10,959
Speaker 9: as a decent human being. See what we call them

2511
02:30:11,000 --> 02:30:16,400
Speaker 9: Bibles and those holy books were simply the literature that

2512
02:30:16,720 --> 02:30:21,199
Speaker 9: was telling how people could behave in society as human

2513
02:30:21,240 --> 02:30:26,400
Speaker 9: beings and their relationship to cosmology and ecology. And they

2514
02:30:26,520 --> 02:30:33,080
Speaker 9: define the divine and that process of ethical, moral behavior

2515
02:30:33,120 --> 02:30:37,160
Speaker 9: and character that was necessary to imitate and emulate the Divine. Now,

2516
02:30:37,200 --> 02:30:41,920
Speaker 9: when the Romans take this information out of Chemic, out

2517
02:30:41,959 --> 02:30:45,200
Speaker 9: of Egypt, and at this conference, the first conference is

2518
02:30:45,240 --> 02:30:48,560
Speaker 9: called the Conference of Nicia, where they began the process

2519
02:30:48,720 --> 02:30:51,840
Speaker 9: to come up with a document that they could use

2520
02:30:51,879 --> 02:30:55,320
Speaker 9: which eventually became the Bible. Many of the black people

2521
02:30:55,320 --> 02:31:00,480
Speaker 9: who knew this wisdom system disagreed, and one of the

2522
02:31:00,520 --> 02:31:03,679
Speaker 9: biggest ones that history talked about his brother named Arius,

2523
02:31:03,840 --> 02:31:07,119
Speaker 9: and a lot of the black bishops or professors were

2524
02:31:07,200 --> 02:31:09,680
Speaker 9: killed and they major those who made it back to

2525
02:31:09,760 --> 02:31:14,119
Speaker 9: Egypt founded what it's called the Coptic Church of today,

2526
02:31:14,560 --> 02:31:18,840
Speaker 9: and another group created what became in the Eastern Roman Empire.

2527
02:31:18,879 --> 02:31:22,520
Speaker 9: They were called the Benzantian Church because and then out

2528
02:31:22,560 --> 02:31:25,920
Speaker 9: of those two churches evolved what we know as the

2529
02:31:26,080 --> 02:31:30,280
Speaker 9: Ethiopian Church. All of this is going on almost a

2530
02:31:30,400 --> 02:31:34,879
Speaker 9: thousand years before there is a Catholic Church. It's important

2531
02:31:34,920 --> 02:31:38,080
Speaker 9: to note that because by the time, because five hundred

2532
02:31:38,160 --> 02:31:41,080
Speaker 9: years after the founding of the Catholic Church, you get

2533
02:31:41,280 --> 02:31:45,720
Speaker 9: Luther and the Reformation and the founder breaking away from

2534
02:31:45,760 --> 02:31:50,800
Speaker 9: the Catholic Church, starting what becomes the Protestant movement, and

2535
02:31:50,879 --> 02:31:53,320
Speaker 9: out of that breaking away of Luther, you get the

2536
02:31:53,360 --> 02:31:58,120
Speaker 9: Presbyterian Church, the Episcopal Church, the Baptist Church, the Methodist Church.

2537
02:31:59,360 --> 02:32:06,880
Speaker 9: They're born a thousand years after the Ethiopian Church. So

2538
02:32:07,080 --> 02:32:11,320
Speaker 9: when we study history, you'll see that Christianity isn't exactly

2539
02:32:11,640 --> 02:32:16,320
Speaker 9: a white thing. The Christianity we received ends up being

2540
02:32:16,879 --> 02:32:23,320
Speaker 9: a black thing that have been reconstructed by white culture

2541
02:32:23,600 --> 02:32:27,600
Speaker 9: and represented to black people after slavery. But black people

2542
02:32:27,640 --> 02:32:30,920
Speaker 9: got enough knowledge and understanding of the ancient institution to

2543
02:32:31,080 --> 02:32:33,280
Speaker 9: take and it took me a while to get it.

2544
02:32:33,760 --> 02:32:35,360
Speaker 9: Even I grew up in the heart of the church

2545
02:32:35,400 --> 02:32:38,720
Speaker 9: because my granddaddy was the minister, and I was supposed

2546
02:32:38,720 --> 02:32:42,119
Speaker 9: to be the minister to follow paper, but I rebelled

2547
02:32:42,160 --> 02:32:44,400
Speaker 9: once I met Malcolm X and when you know the

2548
02:32:44,480 --> 02:32:50,080
Speaker 9: whole nother space, but knowing the history, let she erased

2549
02:32:50,080 --> 02:32:53,039
Speaker 9: some of the mystery and then the foolishness that grew

2550
02:32:53,120 --> 02:32:54,720
Speaker 9: up out of fear. And I was one of those

2551
02:32:54,760 --> 02:32:57,800
Speaker 9: foolish ones who has gotten so radical. I was cutting

2552
02:32:57,800 --> 02:33:03,120
Speaker 9: off both my hands despite my mind. And I had

2553
02:33:03,120 --> 02:33:09,320
Speaker 9: to realize, ohoh, backup policy, study history. My ancestors weren't

2554
02:33:09,360 --> 02:33:13,720
Speaker 9: a bunch of losers. These were men and women trying

2555
02:33:13,760 --> 02:33:19,680
Speaker 9: to under a genocidal process of a militarist, destructive element

2556
02:33:19,760 --> 02:33:23,800
Speaker 9: coming out of Europe, trying to constantly create and recreate

2557
02:33:24,120 --> 02:33:27,240
Speaker 9: the life they had to live and protect their families

2558
02:33:27,520 --> 02:33:32,640
Speaker 9: and themselves, and these institutions was the only institutions available

2559
02:33:32,720 --> 02:33:35,360
Speaker 9: for their youth, and so we have to look at

2560
02:33:35,440 --> 02:33:41,160
Speaker 9: study how to be transform the Methodist Church into the

2561
02:33:41,200 --> 02:33:46,279
Speaker 9: African Methodist Episcopal Church, how to be transform the British

2562
02:33:46,360 --> 02:33:50,680
Speaker 9: Baptist Church into the African Baptist Church. Most people don't

2563
02:33:50,720 --> 02:33:52,680
Speaker 9: know enough about our history to know that there's a

2564
02:33:52,720 --> 02:33:55,160
Speaker 9: branch of churches in South Carolina and Georgia called the

2565
02:33:55,520 --> 02:33:59,320
Speaker 9: African Baptist Church which came into being before the African

2566
02:33:59,400 --> 02:34:02,560
Speaker 9: Methodist Church, and that the black man who founded the

2567
02:34:02,600 --> 02:34:05,640
Speaker 9: African Baptist Church fought with the British and after the

2568
02:34:05,680 --> 02:34:10,640
Speaker 9: Revolutionary War was sent to Jamaica where he found the

2569
02:34:10,640 --> 02:34:13,920
Speaker 9: movement that we now call the pokal Main movement. So

2570
02:34:14,360 --> 02:34:16,840
Speaker 9: history will erase a lot of mysteries and show you

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02:34:16,879 --> 02:34:20,880
Speaker 9: a lot of things. And wherever this black church was founded,

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02:34:21,720 --> 02:34:26,480
Speaker 9: black revolutionary movement, black resistance movement proceeded from that institution,

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02:34:27,160 --> 02:34:31,040
Speaker 9: and we cannot negate that even though we have issues

2574
02:34:31,080 --> 02:34:37,480
Speaker 9: with the theological symbolisms of a man as God the

2575
02:34:37,560 --> 02:34:43,000
Speaker 9: Christ's character. That's why you much study why was that

2576
02:34:43,080 --> 02:34:44,000
Speaker 9: character used.

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02:34:44,560 --> 02:34:46,080
Speaker 5: We used the character.

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02:34:46,160 --> 02:34:49,440
Speaker 9: Aroue a man as God, and Kimmington didn't have any

2579
02:34:49,480 --> 02:34:53,120
Speaker 9: issues with it, So we understand why we got issues

2580
02:34:53,120 --> 02:34:55,960
Speaker 9: with this white image being used while at the same

2581
02:34:56,040 --> 02:34:59,080
Speaker 9: time as God, while they're committing genocide across the planet.

2582
02:34:59,480 --> 02:35:04,119
Speaker 9: They don't qualify, and so studying history erases the mystery.

2583
02:35:04,120 --> 02:35:05,199
Speaker 5: That's why leptology.

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02:35:05,720 --> 02:35:07,879
Speaker 9: He realized we had to put an emphasis on the

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02:35:08,000 --> 02:35:11,680
Speaker 9: history because we would denied access to it for so long.

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Speaker 1: God hold that thought right there, Professor Small. We got

2587
02:35:16,320 --> 02:35:17,920
Speaker 1: to step aside for a few months. We come back

2588
02:35:17,920 --> 02:35:20,160
Speaker 1: the Freedom Bridge has a question for you. He's calling

2589
02:35:20,200 --> 02:35:22,520
Speaker 1: from Pittsburgh. Family, you two can get in on this

2590
02:35:22,560 --> 02:35:26,800
Speaker 1: conversation with Professor James Small discussing Black history. It's just

2591
02:35:26,800 --> 02:35:29,400
Speaker 1: the one hundredth anniversary of Black History Month, and we

2592
02:35:29,520 --> 02:35:31,520
Speaker 1: talk about the church and some of the underpinnings of

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02:35:31,560 --> 02:35:34,600
Speaker 1: our community. Talked about the Boulet, talked about the Prince

2594
02:35:34,600 --> 02:35:36,840
Speaker 1: Hall Nations. What are your thoughts? You can reach us

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02:35:36,879 --> 02:35:40,200
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy

2596
02:35:40,200 --> 02:35:42,680
Speaker 1: six and we'll take your phone calls. Next Angraham, how's

2597
02:35:42,760 --> 02:35:45,240
Speaker 1: in family? Thanks us staying with us on this Thursday

2598
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Speaker 1: morning in nineteen minutes after the top of they got

2599
02:35:47,280 --> 02:35:50,879
Speaker 1: with Professor James Small. Professor smallest, one of our grills

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02:35:50,920 --> 02:35:53,600
Speaker 1: one of our top scholars discussing Black History Month. This

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02:35:53,680 --> 02:35:56,080
Speaker 1: is the one hundredth anniversary of Black History Month and

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Speaker 1: Freedom Bridge has joined us from Pittsburgh. Has a question

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02:35:58,760 --> 02:36:02,920
Speaker 1: for Professor small Line too, Grand Rajia and Freedom Bridge.

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02:36:02,920 --> 02:36:04,760
Speaker 1: Your question for a Professor small.

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02:36:09,040 --> 02:36:11,680
Speaker 10: Calm it is that why do we allowed as black

2606
02:36:11,720 --> 02:36:15,640
Speaker 10: people after all these years, let our fears continue to

2607
02:36:15,680 --> 02:36:19,560
Speaker 10: control our future. It's just like when you mention the

2608
02:36:19,640 --> 02:36:23,360
Speaker 10: image the image of God is white. That what they

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02:36:23,400 --> 02:36:26,880
Speaker 10: gave us, and our people will fight over the fact

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02:36:26,920 --> 02:36:30,000
Speaker 10: that if you say he's black, he can be anything.

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02:36:30,280 --> 02:36:33,280
Speaker 10: He has no color, but he can't be black. Ask

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02:36:33,400 --> 02:36:36,280
Speaker 10: us as a people, we can't even look at ourselves

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02:36:36,320 --> 02:36:39,440
Speaker 10: being our own who we truly are? We chose to

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02:36:39,480 --> 02:36:43,000
Speaker 10: worship white and fray to take that image down. I

2615
02:36:43,040 --> 02:36:46,240
Speaker 10: grew up today, i'n seventy five, just turned seventy five today,

2616
02:36:46,480 --> 02:36:48,920
Speaker 10: and I remember my mother and them when I brought

2617
02:36:48,920 --> 02:36:52,680
Speaker 10: home a black image of Jesus. She rebuked it. She's no, no,

2618
02:36:53,000 --> 02:36:56,360
Speaker 10: But as today, we still do that, even though we know.

2619
02:36:56,520 --> 02:36:59,640
Speaker 10: Nat Turner was given that Bible from King James to

2620
02:36:59,680 --> 02:37:03,320
Speaker 10: say we were supposed to honor our slaves except the whooping,

2621
02:37:03,640 --> 02:37:05,800
Speaker 10: and he woke up to it and said, no, I

2622
02:37:05,800 --> 02:37:08,440
Speaker 10: can't do this to my people. But we continue to

2623
02:37:08,480 --> 02:37:10,920
Speaker 10: do this in a church where we find it hard

2624
02:37:11,320 --> 02:37:15,960
Speaker 10: to see ourselves as God. We continue to live. And

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02:37:16,000 --> 02:37:18,880
Speaker 10: my son was a knight, and I told him we

2626
02:37:18,959 --> 02:37:22,880
Speaker 10: are the first builders. You're the first builder. Don't take

2627
02:37:22,920 --> 02:37:25,320
Speaker 10: on that, George Washington. You see them and then pictured

2628
02:37:25,360 --> 02:37:26,920
Speaker 10: with them, moors around them.

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02:37:27,080 --> 02:37:27,879
Speaker 8: They learned how.

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02:37:27,840 --> 02:37:30,800
Speaker 10: To build from us. We are lacking the truth. They

2631
02:37:30,840 --> 02:37:33,760
Speaker 10: have lied to us about everything. And the oldest bible

2632
02:37:33,800 --> 02:37:36,280
Speaker 10: on the planet and we know that, and I've been

2633
02:37:36,280 --> 02:37:39,640
Speaker 10: here to see it, just like you is the Ethiopian Bible.

2634
02:37:39,760 --> 02:37:43,400
Speaker 10: Why aren't black preachers taking on the troops instead of

2635
02:37:43,480 --> 02:37:46,720
Speaker 10: continued to teach us this lie and wait for this

2636
02:37:46,840 --> 02:37:50,240
Speaker 10: white guy to come out the sky and save us.

2637
02:37:52,720 --> 02:37:54,800
Speaker 5: Well with you.

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02:37:54,920 --> 02:37:58,880
Speaker 9: But that then begs to tell the story of why

2639
02:37:59,040 --> 02:38:06,080
Speaker 9: Cartigi was founded Black History Week, why Cotegey Woodson wrote

2640
02:38:06,200 --> 02:38:10,480
Speaker 9: The Miseducation of the Negro. He understood that people must

2641
02:38:10,520 --> 02:38:14,039
Speaker 9: know their history so that we won't be in that

2642
02:38:14,160 --> 02:38:20,000
Speaker 9: crisis situation that you just described. And so when we

2643
02:38:20,120 --> 02:38:22,039
Speaker 9: think of Black History Week, we think, go, oh, we

2644
02:38:22,160 --> 02:38:24,480
Speaker 9: just have a week it's in the middle of the winter. Well,

2645
02:38:24,520 --> 02:38:27,600
Speaker 9: he picked that particular time to get it passed because

2646
02:38:27,600 --> 02:38:30,760
Speaker 9: that was Fred Douglas birthday month, and that was Abraham

2647
02:38:30,840 --> 02:38:33,400
Speaker 9: Lincoln birthday month, and they were the symbols of freedom

2648
02:38:33,440 --> 02:38:35,760
Speaker 9: at that moment in history, and so that was the

2649
02:38:35,800 --> 02:38:39,840
Speaker 9: best time to get that week online. All right, But

2650
02:38:40,200 --> 02:38:43,320
Speaker 9: it wouldn't let somebody gave us the shortest month. That's

2651
02:38:43,400 --> 02:38:47,880
Speaker 9: a myth, Okay. He was trying to say, we must

2652
02:38:47,920 --> 02:38:52,000
Speaker 9: study history, and so short of getting we couldn't get

2653
02:38:52,000 --> 02:38:54,400
Speaker 9: the curriculum in the schools. But what we could get

2654
02:38:54,720 --> 02:38:57,960
Speaker 9: is a celebration in our homes, is celebration in our

2655
02:38:57,959 --> 02:39:01,760
Speaker 9: community of our history, which led to and did lead

2656
02:39:01,800 --> 02:39:05,080
Speaker 9: to the fight to get it into schools. Me and

2657
02:39:05,160 --> 02:39:08,560
Speaker 9: you our age group. We were I'm eighty, so we

2658
02:39:08,560 --> 02:39:09,400
Speaker 9: were a part.

2659
02:39:09,200 --> 02:39:12,279
Speaker 5: Of that fight to get black history in the school system.

2660
02:39:12,600 --> 02:39:14,320
Speaker 9: We were part of that fight to get it on

2661
02:39:14,400 --> 02:39:18,240
Speaker 9: the college campuses, but we were proceeding from college. E.

2662
02:39:18,320 --> 02:39:23,640
Speaker 9: Woodson saying history is an absolute necessity and many other

2663
02:39:23,720 --> 02:39:25,039
Speaker 9: things you can't say.

2664
02:39:25,400 --> 02:39:31,640
Speaker 5: In order for a bluebird to know it's a bluebird, is.

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02:39:32,080 --> 02:39:38,440
Speaker 9: Genetic construct must informed him of that. History is how

2666
02:39:38,480 --> 02:39:43,560
Speaker 9: we make up our genetic constructs the body of information

2667
02:39:43,720 --> 02:39:47,039
Speaker 9: to tell us when what we are. And when we

2668
02:39:47,120 --> 02:39:50,520
Speaker 9: get deep into our own system, you'll see that, yes,

2669
02:39:50,640 --> 02:39:54,400
Speaker 9: we had a theology, but our theology was different from their.

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02:39:55,600 --> 02:40:02,720
Speaker 9: Our theology spoke about divinity and as us being humans,

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02:40:02,760 --> 02:40:05,840
Speaker 9: meaning the black humans on Earth. We were an expression

2672
02:40:06,440 --> 02:40:10,959
Speaker 9: of an aspect of the divine essence having the human experience.

2673
02:40:11,360 --> 02:40:15,200
Speaker 9: Matter of fact, we were Divinity having a divine human experience.

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02:40:15,240 --> 02:40:17,840
Speaker 9: That's our theology that comes out out of any part

2675
02:40:17,879 --> 02:40:21,680
Speaker 9: of Africa come out very explicitly in the literature the

2676
02:40:22,680 --> 02:40:27,320
Speaker 9: Sabako Stone and ancient Kimmt, the Pyramid texts, the Book

2677
02:40:27,360 --> 02:40:30,279
Speaker 9: of the Coming forth by Day and Night, the Coffin texts,

2678
02:40:30,280 --> 02:40:33,880
Speaker 9: and the other great literature that preceded the Bible, Torah

2679
02:40:33,959 --> 02:40:39,400
Speaker 9: and the Kuran, those that mainly plagiarized innovations on the

2680
02:40:39,440 --> 02:40:44,480
Speaker 9: African theological schools of thought that we saw develop in

2681
02:40:44,520 --> 02:40:48,200
Speaker 9: the Sudan and ancient Kimmot before them.

2682
02:40:48,560 --> 02:40:50,640
Speaker 5: So history will tell you this story.

2683
02:40:50,920 --> 02:40:53,320
Speaker 9: But if you don't study history, you won't to understand this.

2684
02:40:53,800 --> 02:40:55,760
Speaker 9: And even brothers and sisters who are a member of

2685
02:40:55,800 --> 02:41:02,160
Speaker 9: the Phemasonic movement don't understand the relationship between Freemasonry and

2686
02:41:02,360 --> 02:41:06,959
Speaker 9: Africa and the African mystery system and educational system because

2687
02:41:07,000 --> 02:41:11,360
Speaker 9: they don't understand the history of Africans in the Americas

2688
02:41:11,440 --> 02:41:14,160
Speaker 9: and in the continent of Africa since the advent of

2689
02:41:14,240 --> 02:41:19,160
Speaker 9: colonialism and the genocide be called slavery. And that's why

2690
02:41:19,200 --> 02:41:24,560
Speaker 9: it's important. History will absolutely erase the mystery. But you

2691
02:41:24,640 --> 02:41:28,480
Speaker 9: got to study the history, study mycology, Woods in the

2692
02:41:28,520 --> 02:41:30,240
Speaker 9: Miseducation of the Negro.

2693
02:41:31,440 --> 02:41:32,720
Speaker 5: And then just keep going.

2694
02:41:33,360 --> 02:41:34,800
Speaker 1: We got some more folks want to talk to you

2695
02:41:34,840 --> 02:41:38,880
Speaker 1: in a tweet question for you Philis in Rattlestown Online.

2696
02:41:38,879 --> 02:41:41,240
Speaker 1: Wand's got a question for you. I feel your question

2697
02:41:41,360 --> 02:41:42,519
Speaker 1: for professor.

2698
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Speaker 11: Small, oh grand rising to you both.

2699
02:41:47,640 --> 02:41:50,439
Speaker 5: Thank you.

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02:41:51,320 --> 02:41:55,560
Speaker 11: Fine, fine, I'm just coming off of I mean, just

2701
02:41:55,600 --> 02:41:58,879
Speaker 11: turn it on ten ten and I got some of

2702
02:41:59,040 --> 02:42:03,280
Speaker 11: our professor's small. What is it talking about? But I'd

2703
02:42:03,320 --> 02:42:05,440
Speaker 11: like to know if I'm where I can find a

2704
02:42:05,600 --> 02:42:06,240
Speaker 11: book on that.

2705
02:42:06,680 --> 02:42:11,720
Speaker 5: Please on which which one? Which book?

2706
02:42:12,720 --> 02:42:13,039
Speaker 8: Uh uh?

2707
02:42:13,520 --> 02:42:13,720
Speaker 5: See?

2708
02:42:13,760 --> 02:42:17,160
Speaker 11: I just I'm calling in so but I heard you

2709
02:42:17,280 --> 02:42:19,480
Speaker 11: talking about the you know, the different churches in them

2710
02:42:20,040 --> 02:42:24,640
Speaker 11: and that kind of thing. So what's it called?

2711
02:42:26,440 --> 02:42:31,600
Speaker 9: Well, one of the one of the there's a there's

2712
02:42:31,640 --> 02:42:38,480
Speaker 9: a good book. A translation by doctor Milana Karnga, and

2713
02:42:38,560 --> 02:42:45,879
Speaker 9: the translation is called a multiple ancient committed literature. It's

2714
02:42:45,959 --> 02:42:51,520
Speaker 9: called the Whosia and the Who's Si. I'm gonna get

2715
02:42:51,560 --> 02:42:54,720
Speaker 9: the selling for you right now because I got to

2716
02:42:54,760 --> 02:42:57,200
Speaker 9: get here in another copy because mine's a little afraid

2717
02:42:57,280 --> 02:43:01,400
Speaker 9: from reading and somebody. But it's called the Who the

2718
02:43:01,640 --> 02:43:06,320
Speaker 9: h U s i A and the reason I recommend

2719
02:43:06,600 --> 02:43:10,039
Speaker 9: getting this book and the Bible and the Quran studies.

2720
02:43:10,240 --> 02:43:12,640
Speaker 9: Most of us have a Bible, but we never studied it.

2721
02:43:13,240 --> 02:43:15,640
Speaker 9: Most of us have a Quran, but we never study it.

2722
02:43:15,680 --> 02:43:18,720
Speaker 9: We learn our read our favorite verses and we stop

2723
02:43:18,840 --> 02:43:19,320
Speaker 9: right there.

2724
02:43:19,959 --> 02:43:20,880
Speaker 5: And who see it?

2725
02:43:21,440 --> 02:43:26,960
Speaker 9: The h U s i A is a translation of

2726
02:43:27,120 --> 02:43:33,640
Speaker 9: multiple literatures out of ancient Africa Egypt. I just want

2727
02:43:33,720 --> 02:43:35,959
Speaker 9: to read it. There was one line for one of

2728
02:43:36,000 --> 02:43:36,760
Speaker 9: the things to link.

2729
02:43:36,840 --> 02:43:38,040
Speaker 5: You see.

2730
02:43:39,280 --> 02:43:44,439
Speaker 9: How There's there's one called the Book of the Wise Instruction.

2731
02:43:45,000 --> 02:43:48,959
Speaker 9: There's one called the Book of Contemplation. The other is

2732
02:43:48,959 --> 02:43:52,480
Speaker 9: called the Book of the Declaration of Virtues. There's another

2733
02:43:52,520 --> 02:43:56,320
Speaker 9: called the Book of the Rising. Like God, these these

2734
02:43:56,480 --> 02:44:00,800
Speaker 9: African literature that predates the Bible, Torah or the and

2735
02:44:00,840 --> 02:44:03,840
Speaker 9: when you study this literature, you'll see where the Bible

2736
02:44:03,920 --> 02:44:08,800
Speaker 9: Torah or Koran comes from. So it's like this one

2737
02:44:08,840 --> 02:44:10,480
Speaker 9: little bird, just four eyves.

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02:44:11,080 --> 02:44:11,440
Speaker 5: Amen.

2739
02:44:11,920 --> 02:44:16,800
Speaker 9: Ron is the helmsman who knows the waters well. He

2740
02:44:16,959 --> 02:44:21,160
Speaker 9: is the rudder for the weak. He gives bread to

2741
02:44:21,280 --> 02:44:26,160
Speaker 9: those who have none, and substance to those who serve

2742
02:44:26,320 --> 02:44:30,520
Speaker 9: him in his temples. So this is black literature that

2743
02:44:30,600 --> 02:44:33,480
Speaker 9: predates the Bible of the Quran. When you start reading

2744
02:44:33,480 --> 02:44:36,560
Speaker 9: this leech, wait a minute. All these same ideas are

2745
02:44:36,560 --> 02:44:39,760
Speaker 9: in the Bible, except this Black literature is thousands of

2746
02:44:39,840 --> 02:44:44,800
Speaker 9: years earlier. Those who are blameless in matters of conduct,

2747
02:44:45,320 --> 02:44:49,040
Speaker 9: no words can prevail against them. And those who are

2748
02:44:49,120 --> 02:44:54,320
Speaker 9: self mastered the harsh are kinder to them than their

2749
02:44:54,360 --> 02:44:58,520
Speaker 9: own mothers, and all people become their servant. Let your

2750
02:44:58,680 --> 02:45:03,039
Speaker 9: name go forth, then while you yourself are silent, and

2751
02:45:03,080 --> 02:45:07,320
Speaker 9: you will be recognized and respected. This is an African

2752
02:45:07,680 --> 02:45:11,800
Speaker 9: body of wisdom, of knowledge that we don't even know exists.

2753
02:45:13,040 --> 02:45:15,880
Speaker 9: That's why Black history is so important. So we can

2754
02:45:15,959 --> 02:45:20,240
Speaker 9: study this literature and we can see, oh wow, our

2755
02:45:20,280 --> 02:45:22,320
Speaker 9: people were trying to instruct us on how to be

2756
02:45:22,400 --> 02:45:23,599
Speaker 9: human beings.

2757
02:45:23,640 --> 02:45:25,160
Speaker 5: From time immemorial.

2758
02:45:25,800 --> 02:45:30,000
Speaker 9: But somebody defeated us militarily and they burnt our libraries,

2759
02:45:30,280 --> 02:45:33,400
Speaker 9: and they took their literature, and they killed our leaders,

2760
02:45:33,760 --> 02:45:37,800
Speaker 9: and they burnt down our temples, our universities, and then

2761
02:45:37,840 --> 02:45:42,480
Speaker 9: they gave us a rendition of reality, that is their

2762
02:45:43,120 --> 02:45:46,240
Speaker 9: miseducation of our literature.

2763
02:45:46,680 --> 02:45:48,039
Speaker 5: And what college is saying?

2764
02:45:48,959 --> 02:45:54,560
Speaker 9: That miseducation that the enemy had got passed on to us.

2765
02:45:54,840 --> 02:45:57,840
Speaker 9: So now we must study our history to get rid

2766
02:45:57,840 --> 02:46:02,160
Speaker 9: of the miseducation of ourselves so we can better ply

2767
02:46:02,200 --> 02:46:04,360
Speaker 9: in our future. Because at the end of the day,

2768
02:46:04,440 --> 02:46:07,039
Speaker 9: we talking about how do we best plan food to

2769
02:46:07,120 --> 02:46:10,039
Speaker 9: get our food, clothing, shelter, safety, insecurity. That's what we're

2770
02:46:10,080 --> 02:46:13,039
Speaker 9: talking about here. We're not just talking about literature or

2771
02:46:13,120 --> 02:46:15,920
Speaker 9: history to say we read a good book. We want

2772
02:46:15,959 --> 02:46:18,279
Speaker 9: to find out what's the best way to organize ourselves

2773
02:46:18,280 --> 02:46:20,480
Speaker 9: so we can provide food, clothing, health, to safety and

2774
02:46:20,520 --> 02:46:23,680
Speaker 9: security ourself and our family. What's the best way to

2775
02:46:23,800 --> 02:46:27,320
Speaker 9: organize ourselves so we can control the economic, politics and

2776
02:46:27,360 --> 02:46:30,440
Speaker 9: culture in our community and not have to beg at

2777
02:46:30,480 --> 02:46:33,320
Speaker 9: the door of some other ethnic group to get our

2778
02:46:33,440 --> 02:46:37,840
Speaker 9: basic needs serve. That's what we are talking about here,

2779
02:46:39,120 --> 02:46:41,720
Speaker 9: and that's why you must know your history to erase

2780
02:46:41,760 --> 02:46:45,400
Speaker 9: somebody else's mystery on how your mind should be constructed

2781
02:46:45,640 --> 02:46:48,600
Speaker 9: to see the future that you must build for yourself

2782
02:46:48,600 --> 02:46:49,320
Speaker 9: and your family.

2783
02:46:51,080 --> 02:46:53,119
Speaker 1: All right, hold on the right there, Professor. So we've

2784
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Speaker 1: got some other folks want touch you some tweets as well.

2785
02:46:55,120 --> 02:46:57,680
Speaker 1: At thirty minutes after the top of our family. If

2786
02:46:57,680 --> 02:46:59,840
Speaker 1: you're just hearing this for the first time, Professor's Walls

2787
02:47:00,280 --> 02:47:02,320
Speaker 1: in our community is one of our top scholars, and

2788
02:47:02,440 --> 02:47:04,560
Speaker 1: brother Collis and Waldorf once to speak to them. He's

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Speaker 1: on line four, Grand Rising brother College. A question four Professor.

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Speaker 17: Grand Rising, Grand Writers and my dear brothers, and I

2791
02:47:10,480 --> 02:47:16,959
Speaker 17: appreciate the information and the historical references, Doctor Small. I'm

2792
02:47:17,080 --> 02:47:22,920
Speaker 17: bothered by certain comments which I seems to be a

2793
02:47:22,959 --> 02:47:27,760
Speaker 17: recurring theme from what they call white historians such as

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02:47:27,879 --> 02:47:32,119
Speaker 17: Donald J. Trnbee, who is known as the Master of History.

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02:47:33,280 --> 02:47:37,440
Speaker 17: And he says that when we classify mankind by color,

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02:47:38,000 --> 02:47:40,680
Speaker 17: the only one of the primary races which has not

2797
02:47:40,800 --> 02:47:44,119
Speaker 17: made a creative contribution to any of the twenty twenty

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02:47:44,120 --> 02:47:48,240
Speaker 17: one civilizations is the black race, and that within the

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02:47:48,720 --> 02:47:51,480
Speaker 17: first six thousand years, the black race has not helped

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02:47:51,920 --> 02:47:56,560
Speaker 17: create any civilization. Now, I know this is a lie,

2801
02:47:56,640 --> 02:48:01,080
Speaker 17: but I want to ask you, what is your opinion

2802
02:48:01,120 --> 02:48:04,879
Speaker 17: of the mindset of the white historians. And we have

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02:48:05,120 --> 02:48:09,040
Speaker 17: others giving up to the modern day who make these

2804
02:48:09,080 --> 02:48:15,080
Speaker 17: particular affirmations about the contributions of the black race to history.

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02:48:16,480 --> 02:48:20,120
Speaker 9: Well, again it comes down to basic, my brother to

2806
02:48:20,280 --> 02:48:24,560
Speaker 9: ignorance of history, and that's phychology. Butson started Black History

2807
02:48:24,640 --> 02:48:27,400
Speaker 9: months because he understood that we weren't the only one

2808
02:48:27,480 --> 02:48:31,199
Speaker 9: ignorant of history. The white community was even more ignorant

2809
02:48:31,240 --> 02:48:33,680
Speaker 9: of history. But it was important for us to get

2810
02:48:33,760 --> 02:48:37,720
Speaker 9: rid of about ignorance in order to understand the reality.

2811
02:48:38,280 --> 02:48:43,600
Speaker 9: There is no evidence of a white civilization anywhere in

2812
02:48:43,680 --> 02:48:44,760
Speaker 9: the history of the world.

2813
02:48:45,760 --> 02:48:45,960
Speaker 4: None.

2814
02:48:47,360 --> 02:48:51,080
Speaker 9: Sotoy and Bee and the little folks running around him

2815
02:48:51,120 --> 02:48:54,039
Speaker 9: back in Germany and England and France in those days,

2816
02:48:54,040 --> 02:48:58,680
Speaker 9: trying to define themselves beyond the barbarians that they had

2817
02:48:58,720 --> 02:49:01,240
Speaker 9: proven to be, both in Europe and in Africa and

2818
02:49:01,280 --> 02:49:05,560
Speaker 9: then in the Americas. The one thing they had to dispel,

2819
02:49:06,400 --> 02:49:09,760
Speaker 9: how can you say that I can enslave this African

2820
02:49:11,120 --> 02:49:15,360
Speaker 9: when if I read the person you said, it's your

2821
02:49:15,440 --> 02:49:21,240
Speaker 9: earliest author, Homer in the Odysseyan Iliad, is that all

2822
02:49:21,280 --> 02:49:25,240
Speaker 9: of the gods of Greece must return to Ethiopia every

2823
02:49:25,320 --> 02:49:28,800
Speaker 9: year to renew themselves. How can I say I can

2824
02:49:28,920 --> 02:49:35,760
Speaker 9: enslave this African if I read the father, my father,

2825
02:49:35,959 --> 02:49:39,640
Speaker 9: what they claim to be their father of his Herododus.

2826
02:49:39,720 --> 02:49:42,160
Speaker 5: When Herododus says in book two.

2827
02:49:43,760 --> 02:49:49,080
Speaker 9: That Greece was built by Africans and the very oracles

2828
02:49:49,120 --> 02:49:52,720
Speaker 9: of Greece, meaning their religious system, was brought from Africa

2829
02:49:53,120 --> 02:49:56,400
Speaker 9: to Greece. How can I say I can enslave these

2830
02:49:56,440 --> 02:50:01,480
Speaker 9: African people when I can read Plato, the greatest philosopher,

2831
02:50:02,200 --> 02:50:06,360
Speaker 9: in his book called Fedris. And there's a man named

2832
02:50:06,400 --> 02:50:10,120
Speaker 9: Kajari who writes the History of Mathematics.

2833
02:50:09,360 --> 02:50:10,600
Speaker 5: Who quotes Plato.

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02:50:11,160 --> 02:50:13,280
Speaker 9: And you may not be able to find Theedris, it's

2835
02:50:13,280 --> 02:50:16,040
Speaker 9: hard to get it, but you can find Kajari's History

2836
02:50:16,040 --> 02:50:20,080
Speaker 9: of Mathematics. And in his first chapter, in the introduction,

2837
02:50:20,640 --> 02:50:25,959
Speaker 9: he quotes Plato as saying, the Ethiopian has given the

2838
02:50:26,000 --> 02:50:29,920
Speaker 9: world all of its science? Is this boy on Plato

2839
02:50:30,040 --> 02:50:33,039
Speaker 9: is the big man in the Hobbit and the Cambridge

2840
02:50:33,080 --> 02:50:37,959
Speaker 9: and the Oxford. And he says in Fedras, the Ethiopian

2841
02:50:38,160 --> 02:50:41,080
Speaker 9: have given the world all of its sciences, and then

2842
02:50:41,120 --> 02:50:48,480
Speaker 9: he starts naming them arithmetic, geometry, drewth rhetoric, and then

2843
02:50:48,520 --> 02:50:50,440
Speaker 9: he gets down to the last and he said, but

2844
02:50:50,560 --> 02:50:55,440
Speaker 9: the greatest of all the science that the Ethiopian has

2845
02:50:55,520 --> 02:50:59,840
Speaker 9: given to the world is the science of writing itself.

2846
02:51:00,840 --> 02:51:05,160
Speaker 9: So poor Toynbee he knew all of this, and then

2847
02:51:05,200 --> 02:51:10,439
Speaker 9: he had the restalize and justified the genocide against the

2848
02:51:09,920 --> 02:51:14,000
Speaker 9: only human civilizing fact there walking up right that he

2849
02:51:14,080 --> 02:51:16,959
Speaker 9: knew of, and that's the African So I said, take

2850
02:51:17,000 --> 02:51:20,360
Speaker 9: their own literature and it'll laugh in their faces. This

2851
02:51:20,520 --> 02:51:24,360
Speaker 9: is Plato, this is Heroditous, this is Homer.

2852
02:51:24,760 --> 02:51:28,039
Speaker 5: I read their literature too, and all their.

2853
02:51:27,959 --> 02:51:35,320
Speaker 9: Ancient literature glorifies Africa and gave Africa the position, as

2854
02:51:35,360 --> 02:51:37,760
Speaker 9: they call us the nose days Ethiopia, which is a

2855
02:51:37,800 --> 02:51:43,959
Speaker 9: Greek word for burnt faith, baked in the sun. They

2856
02:51:44,000 --> 02:51:47,920
Speaker 9: proclaimed that we were the gods of their world. Quote

2857
02:51:48,000 --> 02:51:52,320
Speaker 9: unquote told him be as just a joke. And that's

2858
02:51:52,360 --> 02:51:54,080
Speaker 9: why it's important to study history.

2859
02:51:54,400 --> 02:51:58,360
Speaker 5: It will erase the mystery all.

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Speaker 1: Break. When we come back, Reggie Maryland has the question

2861
02:52:02,280 --> 02:52:04,200
Speaker 1: for you family. You two can get in on this

2862
02:52:04,280 --> 02:52:06,600
Speaker 1: conversation with our guest professor James Small. You know how

2863
02:52:06,600 --> 02:52:09,360
Speaker 1: to reach us eight hundred four or five zero seventy

2864
02:52:09,400 --> 02:52:11,959
Speaker 1: eight seventy six of those magic numbers. We'll take your

2865
02:52:11,959 --> 02:52:14,960
Speaker 1: phone calls next and Grand Rising family's staying with us

2866
02:52:15,000 --> 02:52:17,560
Speaker 1: on this Thursday morning with our guest, Professor James Small.

2867
02:52:17,560 --> 02:52:19,040
Speaker 1: You'd like to speak to him, reach out to us

2868
02:52:19,040 --> 02:52:22,280
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy

2869
02:52:22,280 --> 02:52:24,280
Speaker 1: six before we go back to let me just give

2870
02:52:24,280 --> 02:52:26,480
Speaker 1: a heads up to our listeners down in the atl

2871
02:52:26,640 --> 02:52:29,120
Speaker 1: Tony Brados in town is going to be at the

2872
02:52:29,240 --> 02:52:32,320
Speaker 1: mid Bookstore and that's in the Green Bayo Mall. Is

2873
02:52:32,360 --> 02:52:34,480
Speaker 1: going to be there this afternoon at four o'clock. If

2874
02:52:34,480 --> 02:52:37,680
Speaker 1: we signed this new book a browder perspective. Also, tomorrow

2875
02:52:37,760 --> 02:52:39,600
Speaker 1: is Friday, so we're going to give you a chance

2876
02:52:39,640 --> 02:52:41,640
Speaker 1: to free mind. All that means just think for yourself

2877
02:52:41,640 --> 02:52:43,680
Speaker 1: and join us for our open for on Friday programming

2878
02:52:43,720 --> 02:52:46,280
Speaker 1: game promptly at six am Eastern time right here in

2879
02:52:46,400 --> 02:52:49,800
Speaker 1: Baltimore and also on ten ten WLB and also in

2880
02:52:49,879 --> 02:52:53,480
Speaker 1: the DMV on fourteen fifteen WL. All right, Professor Small,

2881
02:52:53,520 --> 02:52:55,800
Speaker 1: Reggie's corn for Maryland has a question about the masons

2882
02:52:55,840 --> 02:52:58,400
Speaker 1: for you, Grand Rising Reggie. You're on with Professor Small,

2883
02:53:02,959 --> 02:53:06,039
Speaker 1: Is Reggie that I like to all right, let's move

2884
02:53:06,080 --> 02:53:08,680
Speaker 1: on there. Let's go to line one. Mike's calling from Washington, DC.

2885
02:53:09,240 --> 02:53:17,840
Speaker 5: Hello Mike, Hello, Hello, yeah, hello? Hello?

2886
02:53:19,520 --> 02:53:23,680
Speaker 1: Oh is this Reggie? Yes, sir okay, got to speak

2887
02:53:23,720 --> 02:53:25,400
Speaker 1: up when we call your name, Go ahead.

2888
02:53:26,320 --> 02:53:29,520
Speaker 6: I said, I said, grand rising to the wol family,

2889
02:53:29,600 --> 02:53:31,920
Speaker 6: Brother Qacy, I don't know what happened. You know they

2890
02:53:32,000 --> 02:53:34,520
Speaker 6: tapping in on you all the time, my brother. Now,

2891
02:53:34,640 --> 02:53:37,119
Speaker 6: what I want to what I want to ask you,

2892
02:53:37,520 --> 02:53:41,400
Speaker 6: brother Smalls, is should it be the litmus test? Since

2893
02:53:41,480 --> 02:53:44,640
Speaker 6: we as a people seem like we're going to continue

2894
02:53:44,680 --> 02:53:48,440
Speaker 6: to look towards the White House for leadership? How is

2895
02:53:48,440 --> 02:53:49,279
Speaker 6: it important?

2896
02:53:49,720 --> 02:53:49,920
Speaker 5: Man?

2897
02:53:49,959 --> 02:53:51,680
Speaker 6: How much is it important for it to be the

2898
02:53:51,680 --> 02:53:52,440
Speaker 6: litmus test?

2899
02:53:52,520 --> 02:53:53,080
Speaker 18: Number one?

2900
02:53:53,600 --> 02:53:58,080
Speaker 6: Are you for reparations for black people? And are you

2901
02:53:58,200 --> 02:54:02,080
Speaker 6: sculling bones or a Mason? When we find out there

2902
02:54:02,080 --> 02:54:06,160
Speaker 6: were three presidents from what they've given us, William Howard

2903
02:54:06,360 --> 02:54:11,760
Speaker 6: Path was sculling bone and Mason and W. Bush was

2904
02:54:12,600 --> 02:54:16,920
Speaker 6: sculling bones, and George H. W. Bush was sculling bones.

2905
02:54:17,160 --> 02:54:21,880
Speaker 6: And they're saying it was a total argumentatively thirteen to

2906
02:54:21,920 --> 02:54:26,520
Speaker 6: fifteen presidents who were Masons. So how can we trust

2907
02:54:26,560 --> 02:54:30,200
Speaker 6: them when they belonged to Scottish, right, most of them

2908
02:54:30,520 --> 02:54:34,520
Speaker 6: something that practiced satanic and evil. I would like for

2909
02:54:34,560 --> 02:54:36,560
Speaker 6: you to have live on that, my brother.

2910
02:54:37,120 --> 02:54:40,080
Speaker 9: That's it, yeah, because I have to work on your

2911
02:54:40,120 --> 02:54:44,959
Speaker 9: ad lib that we could get that clear. We can't

2912
02:54:45,040 --> 02:54:48,360
Speaker 9: confuse white people with black people. When we talked about Mason,

2913
02:54:48,400 --> 02:54:51,160
Speaker 9: and we talked about like that's just a white interpretation

2914
02:54:51,320 --> 02:54:54,880
Speaker 9: of something. We are speaking English and yet you and

2915
02:54:54,920 --> 02:54:57,920
Speaker 9: I just having this conversation, we're not speaking English at all.

2916
02:54:57,959 --> 02:55:02,600
Speaker 9: We speaking an Applican cree, all right, but an English

2917
02:55:02,720 --> 02:55:06,640
Speaker 9: language vocabulary with an African struction. The most people can't

2918
02:55:06,640 --> 02:55:09,200
Speaker 9: even tell until you try to go to school and

2919
02:55:09,240 --> 02:55:11,960
Speaker 9: teach our children and realize why don't our children learn

2920
02:55:12,080 --> 02:55:15,400
Speaker 9: English and grammar very well? Because English is actually should

2921
02:55:15,440 --> 02:55:18,440
Speaker 9: be a second language for African American children. But we

2922
02:55:19,080 --> 02:55:21,760
Speaker 9: don't see the nuances and the same thing when it

2923
02:55:21,760 --> 02:55:24,879
Speaker 9: comes to Freemason, me and sculling. Even if none of

2924
02:55:24,879 --> 02:55:27,640
Speaker 9: those white men were in Skull and Bones, they would

2925
02:55:27,680 --> 02:55:30,320
Speaker 9: still do the same thing because that is the history

2926
02:55:30,320 --> 02:55:33,119
Speaker 9: of their behavior. Skull and Bones simply is the way

2927
02:55:33,160 --> 02:55:38,360
Speaker 9: they organize themselves. But their intent is to rule the

2928
02:55:38,400 --> 02:55:42,640
Speaker 9: world and to take the resources of the world for themselves.

2929
02:55:42,879 --> 02:55:46,480
Speaker 9: Their intent is to use the mind of the African peoples,

2930
02:55:46,520 --> 02:55:49,160
Speaker 9: particularly in Asian and others, but particularly the mind of

2931
02:55:49,200 --> 02:55:54,600
Speaker 9: the African people to create that world for them through slavery, intimidation, murder,

2932
02:55:54,640 --> 02:55:57,400
Speaker 9: and genocide. They were doing that before they was a

2933
02:55:57,520 --> 02:55:59,959
Speaker 9: skull and bones. They were doing that before they were

2934
02:56:00,160 --> 02:56:03,760
Speaker 9: the freemasonry. So don't make masonry and skull and bones

2935
02:56:04,120 --> 02:56:05,080
Speaker 9: the reason.

2936
02:56:04,760 --> 02:56:07,959
Speaker 5: Why they're behaving the way they're behaving, because that's not

2937
02:56:08,040 --> 02:56:08,520
Speaker 5: the reason.

2938
02:56:09,280 --> 02:56:13,000
Speaker 9: The reason is that they're barbarians in terms of how

2939
02:56:13,000 --> 02:56:16,440
Speaker 9: they see human beings. That is what their history show.

2940
02:56:16,959 --> 02:56:19,560
Speaker 9: That's what's important to understand. What Collogey was the design

2941
02:56:19,640 --> 02:56:22,680
Speaker 9: to tell us understand history.

2942
02:56:23,400 --> 02:56:24,720
Speaker 5: History is the behavior.

2943
02:56:25,160 --> 02:56:29,840
Speaker 9: It is the blueprint of yesterday, and you can recognize

2944
02:56:30,360 --> 02:56:33,880
Speaker 9: different elements. You'll know who the barbarian is, You'll know

2945
02:56:33,920 --> 02:56:36,600
Speaker 9: who the murderer is, you know who the thief is.

2946
02:56:37,000 --> 02:56:39,520
Speaker 9: And long before he was defining himself in these little

2947
02:56:39,680 --> 02:56:43,960
Speaker 9: petty institutions in America that they play their little sex

2948
02:56:44,040 --> 02:56:50,360
Speaker 9: games at college with, they were doing these dastardly genocidal things.

2949
02:56:50,959 --> 02:56:53,800
Speaker 9: You see, they were doing these things. They haven't been

2950
02:56:53,840 --> 02:56:56,720
Speaker 9: a president of the United States, not even Abraham Lincoln,

2951
02:56:56,959 --> 02:57:00,000
Speaker 9: who was there for the first interests of black people.

2952
02:57:00,879 --> 02:57:01,119
Speaker 5: None.

2953
02:57:02,480 --> 02:57:07,560
Speaker 9: And we live in America, though, and so we got it.

2954
02:57:07,560 --> 02:57:09,520
Speaker 9: It's a quagmor we got to deal with. It's a

2955
02:57:09,600 --> 02:57:14,080
Speaker 9: catch twenty two. We have to make sure we use

2956
02:57:14,160 --> 02:57:17,400
Speaker 9: whatever tools we have to free ourselves, even if it's

2957
02:57:17,400 --> 02:57:22,800
Speaker 9: the presidency of the United States. The struggle is towards freedom.

2958
02:57:23,520 --> 02:57:25,920
Speaker 9: And I'm going to just read one of the little passages.

2959
02:57:25,920 --> 02:57:28,040
Speaker 9: If I'm a book called the Book of Ptahoe Tep,

2960
02:57:28,959 --> 02:57:32,240
Speaker 9: be that Arab, but Arab again because of your knowledge,

2961
02:57:32,920 --> 02:57:35,800
Speaker 9: take us console with the ignorant as well as with

2962
02:57:35,920 --> 02:57:39,240
Speaker 9: the wives. For the limits of knowledge in any field

2963
02:57:39,280 --> 02:57:43,240
Speaker 9: have never been set, and no one has ever reached it.

2964
02:57:43,959 --> 02:57:49,240
Speaker 9: Wisdom is rarer than emeralds, and yet it is found

2965
02:57:49,600 --> 02:57:52,760
Speaker 9: among the women who gather at the grindstone.

2966
02:57:53,120 --> 02:57:53,920
Speaker 5: That's the book of for.

2967
02:57:54,000 --> 02:57:57,800
Speaker 9: Tahoe Tep, that precedes by thirty thousand years the Bible,

2968
02:57:57,879 --> 02:58:01,720
Speaker 9: tra Quran or any of this, the literature that they've

2969
02:58:01,760 --> 02:58:06,520
Speaker 9: pledgiarized in trying to create for themselves a methodology for

2970
02:58:06,800 --> 02:58:10,560
Speaker 9: organizing their minds to build the society that they live in.

2971
02:58:11,040 --> 02:58:12,959
Speaker 9: And that's what we've got to understand. That's what these

2972
02:58:12,959 --> 02:58:16,560
Speaker 9: books are all about. It teaches you, supposedly the ethical,

2973
02:58:16,680 --> 02:58:22,440
Speaker 9: moral examples of your ancestors, so that you can use

2974
02:58:22,480 --> 02:58:25,879
Speaker 9: the best of those examples to build us a society

2975
02:58:26,000 --> 02:58:29,840
Speaker 9: you want to see. And so sometimes I think, though,

2976
02:58:30,000 --> 02:58:32,959
Speaker 9: when come back to the litmus tests, we should put

2977
02:58:33,200 --> 02:58:36,840
Speaker 9: reparations on the table not just before every president, but

2978
02:58:36,879 --> 02:58:40,240
Speaker 9: every political party and every elected official black and white

2979
02:58:40,280 --> 02:58:41,720
Speaker 9: in the country. And we should keep it on the

2980
02:58:41,720 --> 02:58:44,040
Speaker 9: table until we get it. We deserve it, we earned it.

2981
02:58:44,440 --> 02:58:46,960
Speaker 9: The genocide that has happened over the five hundred years,

2982
02:58:46,959 --> 02:58:51,160
Speaker 9: the destruction of our consciousness, the destruction of our civilizations

2983
02:58:51,160 --> 02:58:54,000
Speaker 9: in Africa, the destruction of our village and our town

2984
02:58:54,080 --> 02:58:58,880
Speaker 9: and our family, say that we are owed reparations by

2985
02:58:59,000 --> 02:59:03,440
Speaker 9: all parties. So that shouldn't even be an issue to

2986
02:59:03,600 --> 02:59:07,320
Speaker 9: try and figure out whether one white leader was better

2987
02:59:07,360 --> 02:59:09,800
Speaker 9: than the other white leader. All of them is operating

2988
02:59:09,840 --> 02:59:14,879
Speaker 9: around the interest of white betterment, white supremacy, white dominance,

2989
02:59:15,280 --> 02:59:19,480
Speaker 9: every single one, from George Washington to president. And so

2990
02:59:20,240 --> 02:59:23,320
Speaker 9: it's not just the system they were using, but it

2991
02:59:23,360 --> 02:59:26,880
Speaker 9: is the philosophy that governs the system that they were using,

2992
02:59:27,760 --> 02:59:30,760
Speaker 9: and history make that philosophy clear to us.

2993
02:59:31,120 --> 02:59:34,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, and thank you, Regie hold I alright, the professional

2994
02:59:34,360 --> 02:59:35,879
Speaker 1: got a bunch of folks who want to get at you,

2995
02:59:35,920 --> 02:59:37,840
Speaker 1: and I got this tweet that it came in some

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Speaker 1: time ago through that says, please ask doctor small. Is

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Speaker 1: there any leverage that black folks and institution have to

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Speaker 1: push back against Trump's assault against us?

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Speaker 9: Against what push back against the.

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Speaker 1: Trump's assault against us? Is there any leverage that we

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Speaker 1: have in the black hole? Oh?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, we got a lot of leverage. Organize ourselves, organize ourselves,

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Speaker 9: teach our children, teach our history in our household. And

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Speaker 9: let's start with this Black History Month if we've never

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Speaker 9: done it before, set aside at least two hours a

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Speaker 9: week to just teach our children and ourselves about the

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Speaker 9: history of our ancestors. That should be step one. Secondly,

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Speaker 9: spend your money only with people who give you jobs

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Speaker 9: and invest in your community. Spend your money only with people.

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Speaker 5: Who give your give you jobs.

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Speaker 9: And invest in your community. I don't care what color

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Speaker 9: they skin is. If they're not investing that money in

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Speaker 9: your community, if they're not giving jobs to the African

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Speaker 9: American people.

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Speaker 5: Don't spend your money with them, and you know.

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Speaker 9: What, they'll go into business in a few months and

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Speaker 9: sell you the business cheap. Trump be reacting to Trump.

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Speaker 9: We can't do nothing about what mister Trump is saying.

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Speaker 5: I can care less what he said.

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Speaker 9: What can I do on my block, in my building,

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Speaker 9: in my neighborhood, in my community, to make sure I

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Speaker 9: can provide food, clothing, self to safety, but myself.

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Speaker 5: And my family.

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Speaker 9: To make sure my wife and my children are safe

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Speaker 9: when they walk out of my doors or even in

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Speaker 9: their house. To make sure my brothers and sisters cover

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Speaker 9: my back and I cover their We don't need Trump

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Speaker 9: to do that. We don't need white people to do that.

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Speaker 9: These are the things we better start doing, no matter

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Speaker 9: who's the president of the United States or of the world.

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Speaker 5: Okay, it's called know thyself, so that you learn how

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Speaker 5: to love thyself. Know that self.

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Speaker 9: I mean studying your history so you learn how to

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Speaker 9: love thyself. And we can do this no matter which

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Speaker 9: Trump is in the White House. Joe Biden was a

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Speaker 9: worse Trump than this Trump. He created three strikes in

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Speaker 9: your house. He's the one that us calling black youth predators.

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Speaker 9: Bill Clinton was the one that's starting to build that

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Speaker 9: put more of our children in the penitentiary than was

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Speaker 9: in slavery, So it's.

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Speaker 5: What to be talking about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a real talk right there. Ten away from

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Speaker 1: the top there. Mike's in Washington, d c s online.

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Speaker 1: One has a question for you, Grand Rising. Mike I

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Speaker 1: on with Professor Small now here Michael is move on

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Speaker 1: to g G's online. Three callers from DC Grand Rising

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Speaker 1: g Hello, Yes, you're on the air.

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Speaker 5: Yes there.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, My question is why don't our history go back

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Speaker 18: into ancient Ghana. I was told that ancient Ghana is

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Speaker 18: before Egypt, and and also is there or was there

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Speaker 18: a richer person than make a mussim or make a

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Speaker 18: moosa in the world.

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Speaker 9: Well, I like that question because one yet, what we

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Speaker 9: call ancient Ghana was the existing at the same time

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Speaker 9: as what we call ancient Kimmin, And there's a lot

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Speaker 9: of books written about it. Do you understand no one

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Speaker 9: has hidden that that That's been a big part of

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Speaker 9: my history from the sixties, learning about ancient Ghana, learning

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Speaker 9: about ancient Congo, learning about ancient Angola, learning about the

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Speaker 9: people that lived in the Sahara before it became a desert,

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Speaker 9: so they weren't separate civilization except by geography.

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Speaker 5: These people interacted and mixed with each other.

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Speaker 9: Ghana was distant, a description of the territory where the

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Speaker 9: people lived. So was Kimmid the Black Earth, with the

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Speaker 9: description the people of all the same people that were

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Speaker 9: the same black people, following the same rules, understanding the

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Speaker 9: laws of nature, understanding the laws of cosmology, applying those

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Speaker 9: laws to how our lives worked, imitating and emulating the universe.

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Speaker 9: You see, So there was there was no leaving out

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Speaker 9: or did I don't think all of the history of

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Speaker 9: our people is significant and important, all of it, and

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Speaker 9: so that's why cottage is on point. We need to

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Speaker 9: study history to erase the mystery. There was something else

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Speaker 9: you mentioned before, Ghana, and I missed it, and I

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Speaker 9: know it's important, but at least let's understand we didn't

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Speaker 9: negate Ghana. It's just that kim It is the most

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Speaker 9: classical of the civilization where we've retained all of this

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Speaker 9: body of knowledge because of the desert condition that allow

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Speaker 9: for those temples to stay there, and the writings in

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Speaker 9: those caves and in those tombs that give us a

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Speaker 9: knowledge of our ancestors. Ghana which is now Morocco, Senegal, Mali,

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Speaker 9: and this year in that area. A lot of the

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Speaker 9: literature is still there, but it is in the language

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Speaker 9: we must learn and map to the language where a

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Speaker 9: lot of our history is stored. And also the manuscripts,

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Speaker 9: especially the ones in Mali and Nazi, thousands and thousands

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Speaker 9: of books of manuscript that we wrote during the period

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Speaker 9: of Islam culture coming into the ancient Ghana civilization, and

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Speaker 9: people are just getting to that literature because the literature

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Speaker 9: is not in English, it's not in French, it's in

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Speaker 9: an ancient African language, and it's in our spoken language.

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Speaker 9: Whereas Kimmid has had, we had the opportunity to work

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Speaker 9: for centuries to learn to translate some of that language

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Speaker 9: and see the relationship between the Sudan which produced Egypt,

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Speaker 9: the place we call the Sudan today.

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Speaker 5: That's the place out of.

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Speaker 9: Which Egypt emerged northwards as an expression of a civilization.

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Speaker 9: So that's we come right back to studying history, history

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Speaker 9: of races.

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Speaker 1: The mystery right and these questions earlier questions, was king.

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Speaker 5: That's part of the myth of history.

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Speaker 9: Manson Musa, if he was an African king, didn't have

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Speaker 9: a penny. The kingdom was wealthy, not him as the individual.

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Speaker 9: That is a white Western concept of this individual person

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Speaker 9: of all this wealth. Now the kingdom of which he

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Speaker 9: was the representative, had the wealth, not him, and we

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Speaker 9: need to move away from how wealthy.

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Speaker 5: This one black man was.

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Speaker 9: It didn't make any differences, but got whipped and the

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Speaker 9: kingdom fell. And the question is is he guilty of

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Speaker 9: squandering the wealth of the kingdom or exposing the wealth

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Speaker 9: of the kingdom to the enemy in such a degree

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Speaker 9: that that enemy came with no vengeance killing us. To

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Speaker 9: find the source of that wealth, studying history will erase

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Speaker 9: the mystery.

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Speaker 1: Right before we go, because you touched on the boulet

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Speaker 1: a bit, But how do we interpret the boulet because

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned Steve Kobe, you know, we've call on

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Speaker 1: the bulet buster and they all have these negative connotations

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Speaker 1: about the boolet. The other people in the boulet are

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Speaker 1: the bully? Are the members of the bullet for us

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Speaker 1: or against us? It's straight up, no.

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Speaker 9: One could make a stapement whether or not. Aha Hilliod

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Speaker 9: was one of the most beloved scholars we had. He

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Speaker 9: was a father to me and he was a bulet.

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Speaker 9: But yeah, his literature and his service with all about

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Speaker 9: the liberation of the African people in their minds. So

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Speaker 9: we're gonna say a say Hilley was an enemy of

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Speaker 9: black people. We have not up making these monolithic kind

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Speaker 9: of statements would simply show a lot of the self

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Speaker 9: hate we have without having any knowledge to back up

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Speaker 9: why we take those positions. I'm sure they are members

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Speaker 9: in the Bulet who is a better character than others.

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Speaker 9: But if you look at the history of the men

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Speaker 9: and women and anybody can go and google and study

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Speaker 9: some of them. The greatest leaders we've ever had that

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Speaker 9: have done the most for the Black community have emerged

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Speaker 9: out of the Bulet. What is the Bulet Most people

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Speaker 9: don't know other than just the term Bulet, But it's

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Speaker 9: the gathering of black men for the betterment of the

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Speaker 9: black community. And I'm sure within that course you've had

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Speaker 9: some corrupt one and you've had some better ones. But

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Speaker 9: please study the history of the Boulet before you start.

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Speaker 5: Throwing the world around.

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Speaker 9: The Boulet did this, The Boulet did that, The Masons

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Speaker 9: did this. I don't consider myself as a prince all

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Speaker 9: Mason the same as the Kingdom of England, who's a

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Speaker 9: murderer and a thief and a gangster. That's not what

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Speaker 9: my leaders work. My leaders we set up summer camp

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03:09:02,840 --> 03:09:06,600
Speaker 9: for kids every summer. We try to pay scholarships and

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03:09:06,680 --> 03:09:09,160
Speaker 9: send our children to college. We try to stop the

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03:09:09,240 --> 03:09:12,600
Speaker 9: violence in the black community. On any given holiday, we

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03:09:12,640 --> 03:09:15,119
Speaker 9: bring track the trailer trucks into our community and feed

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Speaker 9: our people. But nobody talks about that part. They're so

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Speaker 9: busy attacking the white Masons and then superimposing that on

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Speaker 9: the Black Masons. And you're making a historical mistake because

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Speaker 9: if you want to see who built the Black wall

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Speaker 9: streets of America for the most party was black feet

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Speaker 9: Mason try with the assistance of the Black Church.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us, Parson Small,

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Speaker 1: were just flat out of time. Always learn a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff when you're here, so thank you again for

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Speaker 1: doing that.

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Speaker 5: This morning, you're welcome, fair and pee some blast things.

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Speaker 5: Have a beautiful day, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, family, that's Professor James Small, one of our grills.

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Speaker 1: Time to get out of here and class is dismissed.

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Speaker 1: Stay strong, stay positive, please please stay healthy. We'llmorrow morning,

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Speaker 1: six o'clock right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB

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Speaker 1: and fourteen fifty WOL