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Speaker 1: And what country did he go to get it done? Panama? Panama?

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Speaker 1: Joel Erickson from The Indianapolis Star Joel A, let's get

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Speaker 1: Joel Anthony? Anthony? Can I just call you Joel Anthony?

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Speaker 1: Isn't there an NBA player Joel Anthony? Am I wrong

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Speaker 1: I think there was like some point guard Joel Anthony.

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Speaker 1: Is he a point guard? Center? Can I can we

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Speaker 1: Right, let's get to this though health standpoint. Where do

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Speaker 1: But when you're on.

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Speaker 6: Well, the biggest thing is that Butckner has done this before.

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Speaker 1: What things Joel Joeli Erickson, Indianapolis. Starr is our guest.

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Speaker 1: He is on the Java House. Peel and poor guest line.

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Speaker 1: What about Kansas City jumps out of you. We know

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Speaker 6: Well, I think the first thing that jumps out at

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Speaker 1: you here on our morning show, the Fan Morning Show.

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Speaker 1: I think he got delayed a day coming back because

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Speaker 1: that was during the wonky stuff going on with air

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Speaker 1: traffic and all that stuff. How soon after that game

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Speaker 1: did you get back? What day did you get back?

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Speaker 6: I was back at eleven thirty on Monday night.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how long did on? What day did you start

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Speaker 1: to feel normal again? Because I was in Munich yesterday,

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Speaker 1: and I got to be honest with you, Joel, as

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Speaker 1: far as I know right now, I'm actually talking to

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Speaker 1: zach Oustro like you know what I mean, Like it's like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell's going on.

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Speaker 6: I started to feel good. I started to feel normal

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Speaker 6: on Wednesday. But well, I was in Germany. The Erickson

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Speaker 6: household got a stomach bug, and I thought that it

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Speaker 6: was over. I thought I had escaped it when I

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Speaker 6: came back, and so right when I started to feel

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Speaker 6: good from that, it came back and got me, and

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Speaker 6: then I didn't feel good. So yeah, Wednesday, Wednesday was

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Speaker 6: when I started to feel good, and then then I

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Speaker 6: quickly started to not feel good again because the three

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Speaker 6: little ericsons brought something back home.

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Speaker 1: You know what my understanding is, you know what is

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Speaker 1: supposedly very helpful for the stomach bug. Next time it hits, huh,

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Speaker 1: beer fairy, just so you know, you gotta let the

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Speaker 1: beer fairy know, and then you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: the beer farey can make a special delivery and then

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Speaker 1: before you know it, everything feels normal again.

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 6: Is that the right medicine for it?

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Speaker 1: Probably?

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Speaker 5: Not?

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Speaker 1: Probably, I mean I'm willing to try.

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Speaker 6: I'm definitely willing to try, and I.

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Speaker 1: Would I would say.

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Speaker 6: You did, I you help have a study, I'll volunteer.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm guessing they've done that and they have their answer,

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Speaker 1: and it would be no, just a hunch, just to hunch.

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Speaker 1: Although again, you know what's interesting though, is I'm messing.

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing there's probably medical studies in your home state

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Speaker 1: of Wisconsin that say, absolutely go for it. The beer

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Speaker 1: fairy is all about it, right.

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Speaker 6: I would say the medical combined medical knowledge of dairy

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Speaker 6: farmers from the state of Wisconsin going back to the

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Speaker 6: eighteen hundreds would suggest that beer is the answer to

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Speaker 6: all medical maladies.

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, you got a couple of cold

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Speaker 1: run airs on there, you'll start feeling better. Okay. Lastly,

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Speaker 1: before we let you go, give me the injury rundown.

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Speaker 1: Get me up to speed here who we're looking at

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Speaker 1: and keeping an eye on who could or could not

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Speaker 1: be available in Kansas City.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so we obviously went through ward. Jalen Carlis's back

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Speaker 6: at practice. I don't know what to expect from that

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Speaker 6: one because he hasn't played it all this season. So

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Speaker 6: I wonder if maybe he asked the practice will before

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Speaker 6: he comes back.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 6: And then ant sounds like Anthony Gould's going to practice.

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Speaker 6: That's a big for punt returns.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 6: It also sounds like Samson Ebbacom's back. The one that's

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Speaker 6: interesting is Taekwon Lewis will not practice today and he's

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Speaker 6: missed three games. If you remember right, there was one

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Speaker 6: week of practice where he practiced in full twice and

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Speaker 6: then they declared him out at the end of it,

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Speaker 6: and we were all kind of surprised. I asked if

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Speaker 6: he had a setback, and Aine just kind of said

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Speaker 6: it just didn't get better, which that we're starting to

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Speaker 6: get into, Like you come out of the they didn't

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Speaker 6: put it an injury that they didn't put him on

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Speaker 6: IR for, and then we go through the bye week

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Speaker 6: and now he's not practicing on Wednesday. That's starting to

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Speaker 6: feel like a concern going forward to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Lewis Lewis is interesting, especially because he becomes

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Speaker 1: bigger if Buckner's not available, right, just in terms of

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Speaker 1: correct getting any pressure at all on the line, right,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, correct, Like like if you look at if you

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Speaker 6: look at their backup defensive tackles, Neville Gallimore already has

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Speaker 6: a career high in sacks and Attie Tommy wat Avari

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Speaker 6: has been much better than he has been before, and

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Speaker 6: so they're probably getting more out of those guys than

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Speaker 6: they thought. But yeah, Lewis is absolutely the kind of

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Speaker 6: guy who's rushed from the interior in the past and

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Speaker 6: could help out with some of that butner absence, and yeah,

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Speaker 6: Lewis ends up being a fairly large deal.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Joel. Last thing here, Eddie just tipped

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Speaker 1: me off to this. Do you have your own burner account?

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Speaker 1: Is that right on the ex post today?

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Speaker 6: I used to have a personal account. I still have one,

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Speaker 6: but I don't use it very often.

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Speaker 1: Okay anymore? I was getting and you just decided. So

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Speaker 1: now you're just you're letting it all hang out there

526
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Speaker 1: and taking your risks at the star that you could

527
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Speaker 1: just like get into something too personally as your gig.

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Speaker 1: You are you one of these people that hasn't the

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Speaker 1: thing like opinions are my own, Like as if like

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Speaker 1: you spout off on something completely absurd that like nobody's

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Speaker 1: gonna hold you to it.

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Speaker 6: It used to be like that, That's where I would

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Speaker 6: put my bruist stuff or whatever.

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Speaker 5: But like I've.

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Speaker 6: Gotten as I've gotten older, I've gotten less online with

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Speaker 6: all of my thoughts on all social media platforms. That's

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Speaker 6: what happened to that out Like I just you know,

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Speaker 6: I just just keeping to myself. You know, I'll just

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Speaker 6: sit in I'll just sit in my living room and

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Speaker 6: be like, uh no, wee.

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Speaker 5: Ben Yama's out for two weeks? What does this mean

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Speaker 5: for the spurs.

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Speaker 1: If you have to think before hitting send, you shouldn't

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Speaker 1: hit send. You know what I mean? Yes, easy to

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Speaker 1: say it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: One of the favorite tweets of mine that I unearthed

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Speaker 2: Joel during this discovery was being married is awesome. So

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Speaker 2: much food in the house and it's not all potato chips.

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Speaker 5: It's true, it is true. That's one of the best

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Speaker 5: things is that there's always food.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of food, I brought you some back from Germany, Eddie,

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Speaker 1: Oh really, I got you some gifts. Yeah, Joel, I

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Speaker 1: did not bring any beer back from the beer ferry

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Speaker 1: to bring you to Germany. My apologies. But the next

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Speaker 1: time that the bug hits you, let me know and

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Speaker 1: I'll see what beer fairy can do for you.

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Speaker 6: I'm telling I you've helped. If they want to do

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Speaker 6: this study, I will volunteer.

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Speaker 1: All right, much appreciated, Joela Ericson. Will let you get

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Speaker 1: back into the lockerom appreciate the time as always. You

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Speaker 1: bet you bet, Joel A. Erickson Joel Anthony Erickson. By

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Speaker 1: the way, ordinary Joe is what he was on ex

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Speaker 1: post Twitter, but now he is, of course Indie Stars.

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Speaker 1: Joela Ericson joining us Java House, Peel and port guest line. Yes,

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Speaker 1: in fact, Eddie, I did bring you back. You're too kind.

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Speaker 1: What time would you like your gifts presented? Oh, you

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Speaker 1: can pick. You can pick whenever. By the way, biggers

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Speaker 1: can't be choosers. A couple of things I wanted to

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Speaker 1: point out now that I'm back, because I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I'm the only one with this. The NFL season.

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Speaker 1: What I always say every year you hear me say

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Speaker 1: it when the Colts camp begins at Graham Park and Westfield,

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Speaker 1: and I have kind of this uneasy apprehension about it,

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Speaker 1: and people say to me, They're like, oh, do you

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Speaker 1: have something against like Colt's camp? And no, I totally

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Speaker 1: understand why people love to go to it, going out

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Speaker 1: to Grand Park. I get all of it. And Football's

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Speaker 1: backed is awesome. I get all of it. The thing

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Speaker 1: that I always say, my only hesitation with it is

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Speaker 1: the fact that once the NFL season begins, it's literally

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Speaker 1: like you snap your fingers and boom, it's forty degrees

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Speaker 1: and colder. There's no worse weather than this right here.

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Speaker 1: I'd rather it be. Would you rather have Sonny and

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Speaker 1: five degrees or raining and cold, rain and thirty eight

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Speaker 1: degrees probably Sonny in five, right, and this time of year,

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Speaker 1: it just it comes like that, right. And so when

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Speaker 1: I got back from vacation, I had an epiphany. I

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Speaker 1: had an epiphany and an awakening and a oh my

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Speaker 1: goodness that I need to make sure that I told

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Speaker 1: people about and alerted them to And I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: what that is next in Eddie, I will get you

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Speaker 1: your gifts before the end of the show today. Maybe

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Speaker 1: we'll even do it next on Quarry Company a Wednesday edition.

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Speaker 1: Big show lined up. By the way, Mike de course

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Speaker 1: he is gonna join us about thirty minutes from now.

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Speaker 1: We'll also talk to Ralph Reef. I want to find

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Speaker 1: out more about this to Forest Buckner injury and what

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Speaker 1: the stem cell stuff could mean, what could happen from that?

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Speaker 1: Ralph Reef one thirty Today Matt verderran one of our

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Speaker 1: favorite guests two o'clock Loaded show on a Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: Oh this is the dyings feis right, Yeah, did you

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Speaker 2: get me hear of this?

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Speaker 1: This is Dying's feisce. This reminds me of the Techno Club.

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Speaker 1: I was Techno club at in Munich until yesterday about

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Speaker 1: five in the morning. Really, yeah, did they play the

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Speaker 1: ding feis? They did by request. I just kept requesting

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Speaker 1: it over and over. I know all the lyrics by now,

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Speaker 1: yeah exactly. I mean, this takes me right back now

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Speaker 1: dyings fiz doesn't that mean my sweat? Is that right? Yes?

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Speaker 1: So there was no dying sweis by the way. At

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Speaker 1: dinner in Salzburg, Austria during my trip, however, we went

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Speaker 1: to a very cool, authentic restaurant and it was packed.

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Speaker 1: I mean when I say authentic, I mean we were

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Speaker 1: the only non Austrians in the restaurant, which was in

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Speaker 1: The people were great, it was beautiful, It was a

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Speaker 1: cool little place. But we were sitting in kind of

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Speaker 1: a high traffic area of the waiters and waiters and

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Speaker 1: or the waiters and waitresses and everything else. And I

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Speaker 1: see a guy coming out from the behind the back

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Speaker 1: delivering a tray with like twelve beers on it. And

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Speaker 1: then I see somebody coming down the steps to my left,

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Speaker 1: you know, one of the other employees. And I thought,

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Speaker 1: this has disaster written all over it. And before I

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Speaker 1: could say anything, I hear this crashing noise and I

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Speaker 1: looked up because they collided, and I hear the crashing

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Speaker 1: of the beer mugs all over the wooden floor, and

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Speaker 1: when I looked up, I then realized that the I

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Speaker 1: don't know, like one hundred and forty four ounces of

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Speaker 1: beer itself had to go somewhere and it completely doused

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Speaker 1: Shannon although I mean literally the biggest beer shower in

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Speaker 1: the world, so she didn't have the dying spice, but

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Speaker 1: she had the dying brew in terms, and.

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Speaker 2: Were they golden for the beers golden? Yes, in fact,

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Speaker 2: so it's a rendition of a golden shower.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what it was, Yes, which I guess you

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Speaker 1: would prefer the dying spiz right, Yeah, But at any rate,

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Speaker 1: great trip, and I got back and realized then I

639
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Speaker 1: had this epiphany. When I got back, I thought, I

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Speaker 1: can't believe that it is now week What is it

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Speaker 1: week eleven for the NFL season or what are we

642
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Speaker 1: at here? Is it week twelve? Week twelve? Yeah, because

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Speaker 1: you have the bye weeks and all that. So, and

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Speaker 1: that's when it dawned on me that Thanksgiving is a

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Speaker 1: week from tomorrow. Correct, Yes, okay, So a couple of

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Speaker 1: notes here. First, in terms of next week, I'm super

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Speaker 1: excited about this. It is not often that we can

648
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Speaker 1: take this show on the road just because of the

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Speaker 1: shift in which it takes place.

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Speaker 2: Well, to mention Jacob, this is a dog and pony show.

651
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Speaker 1: It is that. It is definitely that right, and you

652
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: know how hard it is to get both a dog

653
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: and a pony inside of the little kennel to travel them. Yeah,

654
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: but we are going to be on the road coming

655
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: up on Monday. Parks Place Pub one of great location.

656
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: I'm an awesome spot up in Fishers and we are

657
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: going there for the Indian Night and it is the

658
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: professional volleyball draft that's taking place, and so what better

659
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: way to celebrate that than to do the show. Bring

660
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: everybody out, enjoy yourself a cold draft if you'd like

661
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: while you're there. But I'm super excited about it just

662
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: for the chance, and you're gonna hear me talk plenty

663
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: about it between now and Friday. I would love to

664
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Speaker 1: see as many of you as possible on your lunch

665
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: break to stop by and say hello. It is not

666
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: often that we get the chance to be out in

667
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: the public with this show. And so for those of

668
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: you that listened to it, if you were on the

669
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Speaker 1: North Side, if you're in the Fishers area, between twelve

670
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Speaker 1: and three Parks Place Pub. I would absolutely love to

671
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: see you up there, just off of one hundred and

672
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: sixteenth Street, just to the west of I sixty nine,

673
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: And I am super excited about that and look forward

674
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Speaker 1: to being able to do the show on Monday. Then,

675
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: in terms of Thanksgiving itself, two things number one. For

676
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: years I have and it has become our fa you know,

677
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: literally a favorite tradition for my family where we have

678
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: had so many people and so many different friends that

679
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: we've met over the years. Where this all began when

680
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: I worked in Saint Louis and couldn't come home for

681
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and maybe I should have taken a social cue

682
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: from this that nobody that I worked with said like, hey,

683
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: you know, do you want to come to our house

684
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: for Thanksgiving? And so I didn't do anything for Thanksgiving.

685
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: My mom was so mortified by that that when I

686
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: moved back to Indianapolis, US and worked at Channel six,

687
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: my mom said, why don't you ask any of your

688
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: coworkers that can't go home if they'd like to come

689
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: over to our house for Thanksgiving? And that grew into

690
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: me on social media each year saying if you are

691
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: living in the Indianapolis area, but you cannot and you're

692
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: not from here, if or just in general, if you

693
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: can't be around family and friends at Thanksgiving and you'd

694
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: like to come to our Thanksgiving dinner, you are more

695
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: than welcome to do so. And we have a special place,

696
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: Matt that actually a tablecloth that over the years, everyone

697
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: has signed, and it's always great to get that out

698
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 1: and see the different people that have come over the years,

699
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: some of which come back, others of which have moved

700
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: to other locations. And you know, we were a one off,

701
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: if you will, whatever the case may be, had a

702
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: lot of great people that we've met and friends over

703
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: the years that have that we've enjoyed spending the holiday with.

704
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: We can't do it this year only because we're doing

705
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving differently because of the situation with you know that

706
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 1: now that my dad has moved into a rehab center

707
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: after he's had a stroke. So this year is going

708
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: to be our one year, and I apologize to everyone

709
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: for that, but this year will be the one year

710
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: delay for that. Hopefully we will be able to resume

711
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: that once everything kind of gets back to normalcy for

712
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: us next year. But for Thanksgiving itself, I'll be doing

713
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: the Drumstick Dash. This is a fundraiser for Wheeler Mission.

714
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: And as part of my running for the Drumstick Dash

715
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: and representing Radio one Urban one Radio and this radio

716
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: station and the Drumstick Dash, I will be putting out

717
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: later today a link in terms of the fundraising where

718
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: people can make a donation to Wheeler Mission on behalf

719
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: of my run, and so we'll be doing that. Also.

720
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Speaker 1: The other thing that I will start doing once we

721
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: get around Thanksgiving time is Firefly and their Hope for

722
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: the Holidays is incredibly important to me and the different

723
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Speaker 1: families and children that are registered through Firefly formerly the

724
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: Children's Bureau that we do this each year of just

725
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: letting people know about this of where you can sponsor

726
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 1: a family or a child and see they're usually very

727
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: humble Christmas wish list to purchase items for them. You

728
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: can select a particular child to sponsor them if they

729
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: make it super easy. They put links up where you

730
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: can literally go onto Amazon wish lists and get things.

731
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: And I mean you're talking about kids sometimes that their

732
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: wish is something like you know, socks or a pair

733
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: of shoes. And so my goal again this year is

734
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 1: to see to it that we get every single family

735
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: and every single child that is registered to be sponsored

736
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: for the holidays for hope for the holidays, that we

737
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: do that, and you'll hear me start profiling some of

738
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Speaker 1: the different wish lists and things like that beginning at

739
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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and get that through to the holidays.

740
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Speaker 2: Something else I want to add, Jake, I know Jmv's

741
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: on remote quite a bit, usually on Thursdays and Fridays.

742
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Speaker 2: If you're listening and you've got some toys for kids,

743
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 2: I know that JMV will be having like a toy

744
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: donation spot at all of his remotes. Now for the

745
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 2: next I believe for Christmas, to give these toys to

746
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: kids obviously anywhere from you know, an infant to I

747
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: think fifteen years old. So if you want to do that,

748
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: J ANDV. You'll have more information on that as well.

749
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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, and that again, there's gonna be a lot

750
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: of different things that we have right to be able

751
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: to help out for the holidays. So certainly look forward

752
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: to getting the word out about all of that. All right,

753
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: we come back Pacers and action tonight, But college basketball.

754
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: A couple of news and notes and observations about teams

755
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: locally speaking, including one that you might be surprised that

756
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about. We'll do it next. So

757
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: Purdue and Indiana are both unblemished at four and oh

758
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: in college basketball, and that was a really impressive win.

759
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: Obviously for any win for Purdue, it's it's unfortunate for Purdue,

760
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: both fortunate and unfortunate that you would normally say, you know,

761
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: like a win over Alabama is a very impressive win,

762
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: but we expect it with Purdue. I mean, they're they

763
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 1: are a you know, number one or two ranked team

764
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: in the country depending on when or what you believe

765
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: for a reason. You know, they have the best player

766
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: in college basketball.

767
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 7: They have and.

768
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 1: Brayden Smith is such a unique player. But Trey Koffman

769
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: RN is pretty special himself. I mean, they've got you know,

770
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: some you know lawyer. I mean, I don't need to

771
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: go over for everybody here, but the you know, Matt Painter.

772
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 1: I I just don't think we can say enough about

773
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: Matt Painter and the job that he's done in terms

774
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: of building a program that the program recruits the player,

775
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 1: it sells itself to players to the point now where

776
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: players have to then want to sell themselves to like,

777
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, certain places you got to go and beg

778
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: a kid to come there. Purdue has gotten to the

779
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: point now where kids want to beg to go play

780
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: at Purdue. And and yet Matt Painter has done such

781
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: a masterful job. And I heard him saying about this group. Look,

782
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 1: the thing about this group is I'm having fun as

783
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: a coach. I'm having fun. And I've had special players

784
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: before that weren't as fun to coach. But when you're

785
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: a coach, you just you want a group of players

786
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: that bond together and do what you ask and buy in.

787
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: And that's what Matt Painter has been able to do.

788
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: And it pays dividends and you can see it. And

789
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: I just have the utmost of respect for that Purdue

790
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 1: program and so for them, you know, look, I realized

791
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: that when they went and they got beat by Kentucky

792
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: in that exhibition, or when they didn't blow Oakland out

793
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: by thirty five, you know, Pete, what's going on with Purdue.

794
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: And then they go and they play that Alabama game

795
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: and you go, yeah, Okay, they are pretty good and

796
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 1: they're going to be so long as they stay healthy.

797
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: Knock on wood, They're going to be right there in

798
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: the thick of it for the totality of the year,

799
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: it goes without saying Indiana, and you know, I realized

800
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 1: that Indiana. Again, maybe for Indiana, I think for coach

801
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: Devrees and that group, the thing that he's done that

802
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: is so impressive is you have players that are basically

803
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: still wearing name tags for one another, and yet they

804
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: look like they've been playing together for two years. The

805
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: way that they space the floor, the way that their

806
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: offense works of and we talked about it with Don

807
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 1: Fisher getting a quick look and then if it's not there,

808
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: kind of resetting and their ball movement and they're understanding

809
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: a movement of where everyone is on the floor. And

810
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: that comes from as I understand, I've talked to people

811
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: that have gone down to practices down there and watched

812
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: them practice that said that the way that Darren DeVries

813
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: runs his practices, it is very intentional, and you know,

814
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: every moment of practice is deliberate and intense, and he

815
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: works them hard and there is accountability. And I think

816
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: for Indiana fans the thing they are the happiest about

817
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: is it is a program now that looks at accountability

818
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: and the other program that I'm really intrigued by and

819
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: optimistic about. And I'm not trying to carry water for it.

820
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be mister eternal optimist, mister I

821
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: bleed the torch Homer Indianapolis, none of that. I genuinely

822
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: think this. I don't know how long, because you just

823
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: never know if a coach has tremendous success at a

824
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: smaller school, how long you hold on to him. And

825
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: I don't know that he's going to have tremendous success,

826
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: but I get the feeling that I you Indie formerly Iepuy,

827
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: you know, Jimmy Cook is now the radio play by

828
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: play voice for IUND and I think he's going to

829
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: call a lot of exciting games, and I think he's

830
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: going to see a lot of exciting moments because that

831
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,479
Speaker 1: from a basketball standpoint, I think what coach Hallent has

832
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: there can be very similar to what Joe Tiller did

833
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: when he came to Purdue football wise and brought Wyoming's

834
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: basketball on grass in this wide open style that took

835
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: the Big Ten on its ear and it just had

836
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: everybody going, what are we seeing here? The way that

837
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: IUNDI plays and the offensive style they play now that

838
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: they're starting to figure it out, they're going to score

839
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: in bunches. And then when you add into that that

840
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: they are building a brand new on campus arena that's

841
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: going to be right there at the former tennis center.

842
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: I think the future is very bright for that program,

843
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: and I truly believe that they are a year or

844
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: two away from being one a story from a you know,

845
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: high flying scoring leading their league type program where their

846
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: games on that arena on that campus downtown India are

847
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 1: going to be a thing and people are gonna be like, man,

848
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: this is cool, Like all of a sudden, you know,

849
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: we got a team here that's win in twenty five

850
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: twenty agains. That's really lofty, I realize. But I just

851
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: love the way that they play because it is so

852
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: unique in the horizon in terms of their fast style

853
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: of play in scoring in bunches. But there's plenty to

854
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: talk about in college basketball, and nobody better to do

855
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 1: it than the guy who joins us, Mike Decorsi. Next,

856
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: Today's going to be the day that I'm back in

857
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: the saddle, back from vacation again. Thanks to Derek Schultz,

858
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: Greg Rakstraw for filling in Eddie Garrison as well, allowing

859
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: Shannon and I to take a couple of days to

860
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: travel much appreciated, and of course I had an eye

861
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: on college basketball and the things that were going on

862
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: while I was gone. Joining us now on the Java

863
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Speaker 1: House Peel and Poor Guest line, and get a reminder,

864
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,360
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Speaker 1: now from of course the Big Ten Network, Fox Sports,

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Speaker 1: also Sporting News Mike. When it comes to college basketball,

873
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: I wanted to begin with this in kind of a

874
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: maybe an out of left field question for you. But

875
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, in my college years in particular, there was

876
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,919
Speaker 1: nothing that I enjoyed more than this time of year

877
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: because of the all of the different tournaments that would

878
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: take place. Notably, the Maui Invitational was a big one.

879
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: The Great Alaskan Shootout for years was a big one,

880
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: and I realize now that we have like the Atlantis

881
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: and then I think there's one in Vegas. Have we

882
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: gotten to the point where they have emphasized maybe one

883
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: or two of these tournaments in terms of priority and

884
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: it has put some of the smaller ones in jeopardy?

885
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: Or am I hallucinating that?

886
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 5: Well?

887
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 3: The Player's Era tournament in Vegas, that is, funding those

888
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 3: who participate at such a high level has made it difficult.

889
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 3: I mean, we've already seen you mentioned Alaska. I covered

890
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 3: two Alaska shootouts, very memorable experiences for me back in

891
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 3: eighty seven, and I think it was ninety eight that

892
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 3: I was there and that's basically gone. And Maui, of course,

893
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 3: because of the attraction of the locale, had continued to

894
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: thrive until the arrival of this Player's Era thing in Vegas.

895
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 3: Exactly what the money thing, I don't get it. I

896
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 3: really don't understand it. There's not that much money in

897
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 3: these tournaments for them to be putting so much money

898
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 3: into the programs and their players through NIL. I don't

899
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 3: know where the money's coming from to before rank, but

900
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 3: it's there, and so schools are saying, if you're going

901
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 3: to pay us, will come uh, and so that's that's

902
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 3: made it difficult for Maui to get fields as robust

903
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 3: as they've had in the past, even even such a

904
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 3: wonderful locale. It's another place that I was fortunate to

905
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 3: cover twice and and wouldn't trade that for anything, not

906
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 3: even a lot of money to go to Vegas. But

907
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 3: and and of course the Bahamas Tournament as well is another.

908
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 7: That we had a great field a year ago.

909
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 3: And is down a bit this time around. It's not

910
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 3: it's not not.

911
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 7: Worth your while.

912
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 3: It's still worth your while, but it's not what it

913
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 3: had been, and the future may be dim for now.

914
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: You know, I thought it was interesting in Mike, you

915
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: had an interesting comment the other day in college basketball.

916
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: You know, I thought that I've always felt the importance

917
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: of these tournaments, especially for schools that may be out

918
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: of opferences that don't have, you know, a ton of

919
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: power at the top of the conference itself. It's your

920
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: opportunity to get your self quality wins for your tournament resume,

921
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: is what I'm getting at in short here. And that

922
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: is such an important criteria for the NCAAA Selection Committee,

923
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: and the NCAA Selection Committee to me is so impressive

924
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: because we can sit here and talk and argue about

925
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: who should be the sixty eighth team till the cows

926
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: come home. But then when the games get underway in

927
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: the NCAA tournament, you look at it and you go,

928
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: it is unbelievable how appropriately seeded teams are. Once the

929
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: games play, you know, it plays out usually whether it

930
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: goes very close to form, and you can see how

931
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: well these teams have been vetted. And you made an

932
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 1: interesting point the college football side of things with their selection.

933
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: It seems like would you agree, And I think you

934
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: would because I thought I saw you saying this. It

935
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 1: seems like it's not as finite an area in which

936
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: the college football is determining their selection of playoff committee

937
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: like the NCAA tournament, and they all have to do

938
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: twelve teams instead of sixty eight. Is there a disparity

939
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: between the way these two processes take place.

940
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 3: Well, I will give some grace to the college football

941
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 3: playoff committee in the sense that they don't have the

942
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 3: data that's available to the college basketball to the men's

943
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 3: basketball tournament selection committee, because there's so much more intersection.

944
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 3: I mean, we're talking about it right now. Maui, Vegas, Bahamas.

945
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 3: The games that will be played tonight Chicago, We've got

946
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 3: Illinois playing Alabama. I think in New York that Yukon

947
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 3: will play against Arizona. But we see we have all

948
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 3: this intersection among all these leagues, and so we know

949
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 3: which leagues are performing the best, whose teams are performing

950
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 3: the best, and so when we get to March, we

951
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 3: have a really good idea of who belongs. And the

952
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 3: college ball playoff companye doesn't have that advantage to the

953
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 3: same degree. We're inching toward it with the SEC announcing

954
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 3: earlier that they will now play nine conference games, which

955
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 3: they've avoided for a long time, and then also require

956
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 3: all their members to play a power for non conference opponent,

957
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 3: and the ACC, I believe, did the same. I'm waiting

958
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 3: on the Big twelve to do this. Excuse me the

959
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 3: Big ten to do this, because I think it's really

960
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 3: a necessity. If they are doing it, you have to

961
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 3: because you have your schedule. Strength has to be on

962
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 3: par with theirs once we get into this era of

963
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 3: greater data. However, even saying all that, I still think

964
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 3: they're doing a horrendous job. It is amazing how bad

965
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 3: they are at this These rankings are just a joke.

966
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 3: I mean, you want comedy on Monday night, you watch

967
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 3: you watch the medical show, Saint Dennis Medical.

968
00:49:59,440 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 5: That's hilaria.

969
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 3: In a Tuesday night, you could turn on the college

970
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 3: football playoff selections and laugh just as hard.

971
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: Well, especially when they make the case of something along

972
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: the lines of, you know, well between Miami Notre Dame,

973
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: we really take any consideration that, you know, like the

974
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: losses in comparison, and you're thinking, well, well, yeah, one

975
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: of Notre Dame's losses is to Miami, right, you know

976
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like it's there seems to be a

977
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 1: lot of contradiction there. But you know, but then again, Mike,

978
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: let's face it, this is what we wanted, right. It

979
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: gives us reason to talk about more teams in college

980
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: football than we did I mean in the old BCS era,

981
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: you know, in whatever else, right, I mean, that's the way.

982
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jake, we wanted, we wanted, we wanted there to

983
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 3: be First of all, we wanted there to be automatic qualification.

984
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 3: For me, that was a must have because it shouldn't

985
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 3: just be an entirely an opinion issue. A week ago

986
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 3: I wrote a column about this that the president of

987
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 3: Mississippi State, who also happens to chair the College Football

988
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 3: Playoffs Oversight Committee, said that they should get rid of

989
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 3: automatic bids and that he had the full support of

990
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 3: the SEC in that, and and it is, by his

991
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 3: quote most of college football. Yeah, I'm sure the ACC

992
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,959
Speaker 3: and Big Twelve are lining up to get rid.

993
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 5: Of their automatic business, well as the group of five.

994
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 7: Who at least get one shot of the deal.

995
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 3: I mean, it was just a preposterous statement, but so

996
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 3: that was that was important. And then we wanted a

997
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 3: few more teams to make sure that everybody that has

998
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 3: a chance to win gets in. But we didn't want

999
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 3: them to do it like, you know, like they're the

1000
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 3: Marx Brothers or something. The Notre Dame case is really

1001
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 3: it's really this. This is the Notre Dame case. They

1002
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 3: beat sc which is.

1003
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 7: A quality win, and their Notre Dame.

1004
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 5: That's it.

1005
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 3: I mean, there's no other case for Notre Dame to

1006
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 3: make it, like if they were the last team in.

1007
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 5: At this stage or something like that.

1008
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 3: But to be firmly in, with the possibility of playing

1009
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 3: a home game and all of that, with what they've

1010
00:51:55,239 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 3: accomplished is indefensible and like if if, if you you

1011
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 3: need to make a case for Notre Dame, A lot

1012
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 3: of teams have to lose and like take you know

1013
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 3: that old thing about the volunteer and then everybody takes

1014
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 3: one step back and then they're stuck out there.

1015
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 7: That's what they need.

1016
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 3: They need everybody else to take one step back so

1017
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 3: they look like the team that the Football Committee is

1018
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:17,959
Speaker 3: saying they are now.

1019
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: But but Mike, I could not agree with you more

1020
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: on the fact of and I still I've always believed,

1021
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: always believed, and I can I will die on this

1022
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: hill that the eye test is one thing, but the

1023
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: reputation test is always there. And it is human nature

1024
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: that for a Notre Dame or in basketball for a

1025
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: Kentucky that if you are a quote unquote bubble team,

1026
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 1: that you get almost a like a human nature benefit

1027
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: of doubt of the fact that you just assume that

1028
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: that comes with it a better quality than you know,

1029
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: a mid major so to speak, that's having a great year.

1030
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: I just I've always believed that that factor's in.

1031
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 7: I'm but okay with that.

1032
00:52:58,920 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 5: But they're not.

1033
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 7: They're not doing that.

1034
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 3: They're not sticking them at number twelve and saying yeah,

1035
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 3: they'll get in wink wink. They're saying they're one of

1036
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 3: the higher ranked teams that are and it's just there's

1037
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 3: just nothing to back that. It's it's all, well, they're

1038
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 3: playing well. I mean, well, yeah, but like Miami went

1039
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 3: out and smoked NC State on the weekend on Saturday.

1040
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 3: So now they're playing well again and they beat Notre Dame.

1041
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 5: Why doesn't that.

1042
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 7: Put them in well?

1043
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: And it feels to me, and I don't have the

1044
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: schedule in front of me, Mike, but and I think

1045
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,959
Speaker 1: Notre Dame is very good. I look and listen, I've

1046
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: I did not grow up a Notre Dame. I'm not

1047
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: an Notre Dame fan, is what I'm getting at. Okay,

1048
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: But yes, Marcus Freeman to me, you know, he seems

1049
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: very likable and they they are playing well for sure. However,

1050
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: it seems to me and it feels to me like

1051
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: their quality of opponent was front loaded and that they

1052
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: have kind of and I'm not looking at their schedule

1053
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: in front of me, So maybe I'm wrong here. Notre

1054
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: Dame fans will certainly tell me if I am, But no,

1055
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: you're right, you know, it's not like, yeah, sure they're

1056
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: they're cruising along great, but at the same time they're

1057
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: in the lane that didn't have a lot of traffic

1058
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: in front of it, right right.

1059
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 3: The quality of their opponent was funloaded, but they lost

1060
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 3: both of the difficult games that they played.

1061
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: Right fair.

1062
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, you know, I have a friend who.

1063
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 3: Used to work at Notre Dame who said, to an extent,

1064
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 3: it's not their fault, but it's their problem that the

1065
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 3: rest of their schedule is abysinal. That produce not any

1066
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 3: good this year, and Arkansas so bad they fired their coach.

1067
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 3: MTI states, not any good Pitt. The Pitt win was

1068
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 3: probably a half okay win, but not a great win.

1069
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 3: Pitt still has to play Georgia Tech and Miami over

1070
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 3: the course of the next two weeks. Now, if they

1071
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 3: if Pitt goes out and wins those two games, then

1072
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 3: they strengthen the quality of that win and it knocks

1073
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 3: Miami out of them.

1074
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: As you say, then it dilutes though one of Notre

1075
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: Dame's losses, right, yeah.

1076
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 5: I mean it.

1077
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 3: Then it then it makes Notre Dame like, Okay, Now,

1078
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 3: it's justifiable to have Notre Dame ahead of Miami at

1079
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Speaker 3: that point because Miami now has more losses, and at

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Speaker 3: that point note Pitt may or may not, but probably

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Speaker 3: won't be ranked entering the game, so it wouldn't be

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Speaker 3: as profound a win, excuse me, a profound a loss

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Speaker 3: for Miami. So at that point then you can start

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Speaker 3: to make the case for Notre Dame having least multiple

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Speaker 3: quality wins. But at this point, you know, Boston College,

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Speaker 3: you know Navy is a good quality team, but in

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Speaker 3: a mid major league, there's just not enough there to

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Speaker 3: justify Notre Dame being as highly regarded as they are

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Speaker 3: by the committee right now. And hey, you know what,

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Speaker 3: I did, grow up a Notre Dame fan, you know,

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00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 3: when I became a journalist and all that, it's you know,

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Speaker 3: it's not a part of the deal anymore, but I did.

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Speaker 3: And so this is nothing against the Irish in general.

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Speaker 3: It's just that I think you've got to go by

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Speaker 3: what happens on the field.

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Speaker 1: Mike de Coursi is my guest from of course Sporting

1097
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Speaker 1: News Fox as well as the Big Ten Network. He's

1098
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Speaker 1: on the Java House Peel and poor guest line. Let's

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Speaker 1: go back to basketball, Mike, in terms of the number

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Speaker 1: one team in the land, and that is Purdue. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I was talking earlier before you joined us

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Speaker 1: about just how much respect I have for Matt Painter

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Speaker 1: and the way that he has built this program, the

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Speaker 1: players that he has, the stability, which is so rare

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Speaker 1: in today's college basketball of roster from one year to

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Speaker 1: the next. When you look at this team and the

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Speaker 1: veteran level of Purdue, if you had to pick an

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Speaker 1: area and nitpick an area where they could be vulnerable,

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Speaker 1: it would be rare.

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Speaker 3: I think the defense still has to show that it

1111
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 3: can be high level. It doesn't have to be elite,

1112
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 3: but it has to be high level. A year ago,

1113
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 3: they ranked in the low fifties in defensive efficiency at

1114
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Speaker 3: Kenpalm dot com, and that didn't prevent them from getting

1115
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 3: to the Sweet sixteen, playing an eventual national finalists, to

1116
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 3: within a whisker of victory from from playing having a

1117
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 3: very good year. But the eight acknowledged, even Mad acknowledged

1118
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 3: at a point in February that he was not content

1119
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 3: with where their defense was. And so that's I think

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Speaker 3: they're more physically powerful now. They have the rim protection

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Speaker 3: UH that's uh is provided by Daniel Jacobson. At this point,

1122
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 3: two and a half blocks a game, and so they

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Speaker 3: have made improvements, But will they you know, are will

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Speaker 3: they be significant enough defensively to play at the at

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Speaker 3: the level that you need to play in order to

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Speaker 3: win a championship. I think that those that's and that

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Speaker 3: and when you're when you're talking about what you have

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Speaker 3: to be to be a champion, that's you know that

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Speaker 3: isn't it picking to an extent?

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Speaker 7: They're going to have a great year.

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Speaker 8: There's no doubt about that, Mike.

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Speaker 1: When you look at the Big Ten, okay, and the

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Speaker 1: teams in the Big Ten, in the top twenty five

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Speaker 1: and rankings at this point in the year, I realized

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Speaker 1: college basketball wives, are you know? I mean, we know

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Speaker 1: prdue is justifiable there at the top. You start getting

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Speaker 1: into the fifteen to twenty five, you know, you never

1138
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: know where teams are going to end up. But gives

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Speaker 1: you a barometer. Okay, Big Ten, you got Purdue, Michigan, Illinois,

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Speaker 1: Michigan State, UCLA, Wisconsin all ranked. Indiana's right there on

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Speaker 1: the outside looking at I think they're like second right

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Speaker 1: now in receiving votes. I've been really impressed with Darren

1143
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: DeVries and that group, in particular offensively, the cohesiveness of

1144
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Speaker 1: which they can kind of find one another on the

1145
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Speaker 1: floor for a group of players that are not used

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Speaker 1: to playing with one another. Your overall impressions of Indiana

1147
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: of either what has surprised you to this point or

1148
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Speaker 1: the area that you feel they still need to shore.

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Speaker 3: Up, well, I think that it's hard to be one

1150
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Speaker 3: hundred percent sure how effective this is all going to

1151
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 3: be until really what happens in December is their schedule

1152
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,959
Speaker 3: gets really serious, really fast. They do get case State

1153
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Speaker 3: on Tuesday, and I think that's a big game for

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00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 3: them and one that would be really good for them

1155
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 3: to win. But then in early December they have a

1156
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 3: succession of games, four games, two big ten games, neither

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Speaker 3: one of them against the top what we expect to

1158
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 3: be the top echelon of the league Minnesota one on

1159
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Speaker 3: the road and pen stayed at home. But mixed in

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Speaker 3: that group is a game against Louisville on a neutral

1161
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Speaker 3: floor and then a road game against Kentucky. That's a

1162
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Speaker 3: really difficult four game stretch. Even though Kentucky played poorly

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Speaker 3: last night, you still look at that being almost a

1164
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Speaker 3: month from now, and one that will be a real

1165
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Speaker 3: challenge for the Hoosiers, and so that's.

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Speaker 7: When we'll really get a field.

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Speaker 3: But to date, they've been everything that they needed to

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Speaker 3: be in order to be in.

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Speaker 7: Order to have a successful year.

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Speaker 3: They have shot the basketball really well, as you mentioned,

1171
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Speaker 3: They've been really connected, averaging twenty two assists a game.

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Speaker 3: They've been outstanding in that department. They've got two guys

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Speaker 3: averaging more than four a game. So they are moving

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Speaker 3: the basketball, sharing the basketball, getting to quality shots, and

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Speaker 3: converting those shots. They did blow out Marquette earlier in

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Speaker 3: the year. Still not certain how good Marquette's going to

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Speaker 3: be at this point. Maybe I'm doubting Marquette because of

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Speaker 3: what Indiana did to them, but I will know more

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Speaker 3: in a month or so. But I think everything that

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Speaker 3: they've done today has been pristine.

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Speaker 1: I thought the thing about the Marquette game, Mike, to me,

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Speaker 1: that was impressive, and I realized that Shaka smarts group.

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Speaker 1: Like Indiana, he's got newer faces right, that they're still

1184
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Speaker 1: learning each other as well. But I just assume, and

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Speaker 1: again this goes back to what we were talking about earlier.

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Speaker 1: Human nature says that you go with precedent, sometimes with

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Speaker 1: a program and say, well, this is what I think

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Speaker 1: of them, because that's what I've seen from them in

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Speaker 1: the past. Marquette with Shaka Smart teams to me in general,

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01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: are extremely tenacious and unforgiving defensively, and for Indiana to

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Speaker 1: put up one hundred points on them, to me, was

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Speaker 1: very impressive, even though that might be a Marquette team

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Speaker 1: that is totally different in March defensively than where they

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Speaker 1: are now. Is that a fair assessment.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's fair.

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Speaker 3: I mean that has been what his teams have been,

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Speaker 3: and no doubt this is a little different Marquette team

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Speaker 3: because they're not quite as dynamic in the front court

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Speaker 3: as they like to be, and they are in the backcourt,

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Speaker 3: but I think sometimes they leak a little bit to

1201
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Speaker 3: the goal, and that's where they just don't have. They

1202
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 3: just don't have a last line of defense in somewhat

1203
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Speaker 3: the same way.

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Speaker 7: As Purdue didn't a year ago.

1205
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Speaker 3: That caused problems for the Boilers down the stretch, especially

1206
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Speaker 3: mid to late February of this past season, and I

1207
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Speaker 3: think that that's Marquette's weakness at the moment. But again,

1208
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Speaker 3: you put up one hundred points on any high major team,

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Speaker 3: it's impressive. You had to do really good things, and

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Speaker 3: that's what we were taught about before, with the passing,

1211
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Speaker 3: with getting to quality shots out of their offense.

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Speaker 7: With running good stuff, with running that stuff pretty crisply.

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Speaker 3: For again, only having been as this group has only

1214
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Speaker 3: been together since since what officially since the start of school.

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Speaker 3: They can practice a little bit more now than they

1216
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Speaker 3: used to be able to, but still everybody else can too,

1217
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Speaker 3: and Kentucky hasn't figured it out for instance.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Mike, lastly, when it comes to the Big Ten,

1219
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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you this. You heard me mention

1220
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Speaker 1: everybody that's ranked or at least that is expected to

1221
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Speaker 1: be nationally competitive here out of the Big Ten, give

1222
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Speaker 1: me the Big Ten team that Mike DECURSI looks at

1223
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: and says, people might not be talking about them in November,

1224
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Speaker 1: but I've got a feeling by mid January to early February,

1225
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Speaker 1: that's one of them that we could be saying to ourselves,

1226
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Speaker 1: this is a pretty darn good basketball team that has

1227
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Speaker 1: well coached and somebody you don't want to have to face,

1228
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Speaker 1: not named Indiana. What Big Ten team would it be?

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Speaker 3: You know, I watched Nebraska the other night and was

1230
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Speaker 3: really impressed.

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Speaker 7: They played against.

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Speaker 3: Oklahoma on a somewhat neutral floor in South Dakota, and

1233
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Speaker 3: they were really good. Pryce Sanford was magnificent in that game.

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Speaker 3: We saw a rink mask come back from having missed

1235
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 3: a full year to injury. You still have the coach's

1236
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,919
Speaker 3: son out there playing hard.

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Speaker 7: He's doing a terrific job.

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Speaker 3: It's a nice team and they're going to be a

1239
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 3: problem for opponents. Look, one of the interesting things that

1240
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 3: you can monitor at this stage is, and this is

1241
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Speaker 3: something that's of great importance really to both IU and

1242
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 3: Purdue fans, is what's the rest of the league doing?

1243
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 7: And a year ago the SEC was just.

1244
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 3: Cleaning everybody up and they wound up with fourteen teams

1245
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Speaker 3: in the tournament.

1246
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Speaker 7: And it's only been two weeks, but at this stage,

1247
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 7: the Big Ten.

1248
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 3: Is sixty nine and four, sixty nine wins, four losses

1249
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 3: as a league.

1250
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 7: Now, a lot of.

1251
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 3: Those wins are against the Carnate Word and all that,

1252
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 3: but they've also played a significant number of games against

1253
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 3: the SEC. Michigan State's won two of them themselves. I

1254
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 3: mentioned that Nebraska over Oklahoma, that's another SEC win. And

1255
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 3: they've won games against major opponents as well.

1256
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Speaker 5: So far.

1257
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Speaker 3: That the league has looked really strong, and that bodes

1258
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 3: well for all of the teams that in terms of

1259
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 3: their victories will be judged at in terms of the

1260
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Speaker 3: quality for seeding, and if it comes to that, I

1261
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 3: certainly don't think it will for Purdue, and I don't

1262
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 3: think it probably will for Indiana, but also selection it'll

1263
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 3: matter for them as well what the quality of their

1264
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 3: wins is. And I think the I think a Big

1265
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 3: ten victory is going to be worth a lot this winner, Mike.

1266
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Speaker 1: I'm going to end with the question that I I'm

1267
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: going to give you complete permission to this evening city

1268
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: of your wife. I did a sports radio show today

1269
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: and this guy asked me the dumbest question I've ever

1270
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Speaker 1: been asked on a sports talk radio program.

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Speaker 7: Well, are you sure you want to do that?

1272
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 5: Ja?

1273
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 7: Because she knows you, so she.

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Speaker 1: Won't be surprised, is what we're getting at. Right, she'll

1275
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: say that's far for the course. But honestly, and I

1276
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: don't remember if I've asked Sometimes it becomes difficult for

1277
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: me to remember, like conversations I have on the air,

1278
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: off the air, that kind of thing. I don't believe

1279
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Speaker 1: I've ever asked you this you are native to Pittsburgh, Okay.

1280
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 1: And one of the things about Pittsburgh that I only

1281
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 1: recently became more aware of as a kid, I was

1282
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: completely unaware of it. I think a lot of people were.

1283
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: Is the fact that mister Rogers neighborhood Fred Rogers and

1284
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: that program was done on public television epicentered out of Pittsburgh.

1285
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: Because he's a native of La Trobe he had grown up.

1286
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: I think he was in the same class as Arnold

1287
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: Palmer as a kid. But I'm strictly curious in the

1288
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh culture, in the city of Pittsburgh in the seventies

1289
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: when you had We Are Family and Willie Stargel and

1290
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 1: the Steel Curtain and you know, and everything that goes

1291
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: with the sports and the great sports in the seventies

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Speaker 1: of Pittsburgh in the sixties, What was Fred Rogers in

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Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh culture growing up in terms of was he

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Speaker 1: celebrated and known as Pittsburgh's own or were kids growing

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Speaker 1: up in Pittsburgh like I was in Indianapolis, completely unaware

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Speaker 1: that his neighborhood was in fact truly their own neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: Just what kind of a presence was he?

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Speaker 7: He was a tremendous presence.

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Speaker 3: I think that what you didn't realize at the time,

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Speaker 3: Like we had these various characters in local television here.

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Speaker 3: There was a guy named Bill Cardill who did this

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Speaker 3: Saturday night monster type movie thing and it was called

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Speaker 3: Chiller Theater and they called him Chile Billy Cardilly, and.

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Speaker 5: So that was that.

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Speaker 3: So we didn't know that mister Rogers was any different

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Speaker 3: than that. I mean, he was huge here, but we

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Speaker 3: didn't know he was huge they. I think that's the difference, right,

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Speaker 3: Like we we had these different local TV icons, and

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Speaker 3: Fred just kind of felt like mister Rogers felt like

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Speaker 3: like he was one of them.

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Speaker 5: He was ours.

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Speaker 7: We didn't realize that. You know.

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Speaker 3: Maybe my older sisters realized, like when Fred Rogers testified

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Speaker 3: in front of Kong to help secure public televisions.

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Speaker 1: Ten million dollars or whatever it was he got.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they were aware of that maybe, but I at

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Speaker 3: that age was not for me. You know, Fred Rogers

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Speaker 3: was on Channel thirteen, Mister Rogers Neighborhood.

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Speaker 7: We watched it all the time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just you know, it's one of those things

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Speaker 1: that if I was from Pittsburgh, you know, that would

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Speaker 1: be the number one thing that I would be proud

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Speaker 1: of is the fact that that was the city that

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Speaker 1: was his home. You know what I mean like that

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Speaker 1: that it's just like such a just an ubiquitous presence

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Speaker 1: amongst everything that was right about childhood in the United States.

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Speaker 1: And to have that come out of Pittsburgh, if I

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Speaker 1: was a native of Pittsburgh, would have been something a

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Speaker 1: feather in the cap. Although I did love the Steelers

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Speaker 1: and lyn Swan, I'm not.

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Speaker 7: Gonna lie that.

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Speaker 1: That's right there with it, right, Absolutely, Mike, appreciate the

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Speaker 1: time as always, and we'll see what happens with Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame and the football side of things. Brent already sent

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Speaker 1: me a text and said, this guy's crazy. His take

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01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 1: on Notre Dame is wrong. I said, I told you

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Speaker 1: if it's if you got to take on Notre Dame,

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Speaker 1: it's wrong. Notre Dame fans will let you know, right.

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Speaker 5: Oh, yes, I'm sure.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure they're not happy with me at all.

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Speaker 1: Well, we appreciate the time as always, Mike.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Jake.

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Speaker 1: Mike, of course he joining us Joba House Peel and

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Speaker 1: poor guest line a good Joba House dot Com entered

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Speaker 1: Jake for the fan bundle Jake twenty five for twenty

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Speaker 1: five percent off. There are question marks about the Colts

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Speaker 1: in terms of their health status, including one player going

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Speaker 1: outside the country to get treatment. What does it mean

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Speaker 1: and what does that treatment mean? Talking about DeForest Buckner

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Speaker 1: and a guy that can answer that, Ralph Riefil join

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Speaker 1: us next, indeed with the Colts injury report Panama is Key.

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Speaker 1: We will get to that in just a second. Joining

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Speaker 1: us now in the Java House, Peel and poor guest line.

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Speaker 1: What has become a favorite segment on the program. And

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Speaker 1: I appreciate everybody who's reached out to say they enjoy

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Speaker 1: when Ralph Reef comes on, because what Ralph Reef does masterfully,

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Speaker 1: Eddie is this is a guy who has been an

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Speaker 1: athletic trainer at the very top. I mean, I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about coordinating training for Olympic Games, working with athletes all

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Speaker 1: over the spectrum in every particular sport at the very

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Speaker 1: top levels, the smartest of the smart and yet he

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Speaker 1: has an ability to make things relatable to someone of

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Speaker 1: the mediocre intelligence of myself, and that in itself is

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Speaker 1: a gift, right, Yes, yes it is. Reef. Executive Performance

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Speaker 1: Solutions is who he is with now Ralph Reefreiff, ralphreef

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Speaker 1: dot com the website joining us. Now on the guest line, Ralph,

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Speaker 1: how are you.

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Speaker 8: I'm doing very well. Jake and Eddie, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I want to begin with this before we get into

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Speaker 1: the injury question, because I know that you know you

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Speaker 1: have done your fair share of traveling and I was

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Speaker 1: just asking Eddie this, and I'm going to allow you, Ralph,

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Speaker 1: because you know I'm giving you this authority to declare

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Speaker 1: and be the judge and jury on this question. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I just went on a trip. And on my trip,

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Speaker 1: we flew from here and had a four and a

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Speaker 1: half hour layover in Zurich, Switzerland. Now we landed, they

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Speaker 1: stamped I had to go through customs in Zurich. They

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Speaker 1: stamped my passport. And then because I had a four

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Speaker 1: and a half hour layover, I left the airport on foot,

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Speaker 1: walked across the street, breathed in the air took a

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Speaker 1: selfie of myself and looked around at the buildings around

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Speaker 1: and the different things, and then walked back into the airport,

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Speaker 1: took a nap or whatever, and took off. So my

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Speaker 1: question for you, ralphrief is this, Can I say that

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Speaker 1: Switzerland is a country I've been to. Yes, yes, all right,

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Speaker 1: and it's on my list.

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Speaker 2: Then see, I feel better about myself because I said

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Speaker 2: the same thing, did you. I did say, yes, Ralph,

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Speaker 2: And this is a morbid way of looking at it, Ralph.

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Speaker 2: But the way I looked at it was this. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: wait a minute, here's the bottom line. Because everybody's trying

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Speaker 2: to determine, you know. They said, well, you got to

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Speaker 2: leave the airport for it to count whatever else, And

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Speaker 2: I thought, yeah, but then again, like if if you

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Speaker 2: die right there, then forever in eternity, it's listed that

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Speaker 2: you died in Switzerland, so that should count that you've

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Speaker 2: been there, right. Is that a morbid way looking at it?

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Speaker 8: Well, it's a different way of looking at it, certainly,

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Speaker 8: but yes, stepping outside the airport is uh, that's that's

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Speaker 8: part of the process. So count it all right, yep,

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Speaker 8: sticker put it on your map, well.

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Speaker 1: Ring it up. Okay, Speaking of leaving the country, DeForest

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Speaker 1: Butner did that. He went to Panama for stem cell

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Speaker 1: treatment on his neck injury. Now my question for you

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Speaker 1: is this. We always hear this, Ralph. It's become a buzzword.

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Speaker 1: And I remember when Peyton Manning, and I don't remember

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Speaker 1: if it was definitive that Peyton Manning ended up getting

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Speaker 1: a stem cell treatment, but there was rumor of that

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Speaker 1: during the time that he had a neck in and

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Speaker 1: at that time it was almost like taboo. Can you

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Speaker 1: explain to me what exactly stem cell treatment means and

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Speaker 1: whether this is more more routine than it was, say

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Speaker 1: ten years ago.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, there's a lot to discuss and unpack, but let's

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Speaker 8: stay to the point here. So there's an entire part

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Speaker 8: of medicine referred to as biologics. So these are things

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Speaker 8: that are typically of the human body origin that are

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Speaker 8: either taken out of the individual and put back into

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Speaker 8: the same individual. That's done a lot. In sports. We

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Speaker 8: use PRP, which is protein rich plasma, all right, and

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Speaker 8: we draw it out of the athlete, spin it around,

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Speaker 8: get the plasma really rich, and inject it back in.

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Speaker 8: And so what you're doing is boosting the normal process

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Speaker 8: of the human body to create inflammation if that's what

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Speaker 8: you want, and that's what typically occurs there. So biologics,

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Speaker 8: there are knee injections of things that are that are

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Speaker 8: done all the joints and that type of thing. But

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Speaker 8: the biologics is a maybe fifteen twenty years that it

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Speaker 8: became mainstream. We use them at Saint Vincent Sports Performance

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Speaker 8: when I was there. And going back to Peyton Manning,

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Speaker 8: you know when Peyton, everything that Peyton did was top secret.

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Speaker 8: He could have gone to CBS and it would have

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Speaker 8: been you know, secrecy, et cetera, et cetera. So the

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Speaker 8: story around him going to Europe was just that's just

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Speaker 8: the natural way things were done with with Peyton.

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Speaker 5: And but.

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Speaker 8: One of the reasons that people, well, let me stay

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Speaker 8: with stem cells a little bit. Stem cells. We have them.

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Speaker 8: We all have stem cells, and as we age, which

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Speaker 8: like a lot of things, stem cells become less effective.

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Speaker 8: So what does stem cells do. Stem cells help us

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Speaker 8: manage injury and decreased function. And so stem cells will

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Speaker 8: sort of jump to the rescue within the body where

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Speaker 8: there might be an injury, a bruise, a strange ligament,

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Speaker 8: a broken bone, and stem cells will sort of self

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Speaker 8: re route and go to that area and help to

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Speaker 8: heal in that process. We lose those over life, and

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Speaker 8: it can happen as you know, whether you're ten years old, fifteen, twenty,

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Speaker 8: twenty five, thirty thirty, you know it's a downhill slide.

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Speaker 8: So stem cells to their natural we have them, they

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Speaker 8: lose their effectiveness. And so when you ask for stem

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Speaker 8: cell therapy or a physician recommends stem cell therapy, it's

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Speaker 8: to add that boost back into the body. Okay, yep,

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Speaker 8: And so that's what they do.

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Speaker 1: So is it like for example, Ralph and so I

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Speaker 1: assume and I'm not to protect here. We won't say

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Speaker 1: specifically to forced, but we're just going to make up

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Speaker 1: an athlete. Okay. So our fictional athlete, Nick Nick is

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Speaker 1: thirty years old and he has something went wrong in

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Speaker 1: his neck or he's got the pain that so he

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Speaker 1: goes and he says, I need stem cell. Does that

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Speaker 1: mean that they are taking stem cells out of Nick

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Speaker 1: doing a process to enrich in his own stem cells

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Speaker 1: and putting them back in or does that mean that

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Speaker 1: Nick is going and getting in a transfer of stem

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Speaker 1: cells that have been provided by a different human body.

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Speaker 8: So great question. He left the country and the reason

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Speaker 8: that that's done, and it's there's a whole medical ecosystem

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Speaker 8: jake around leaving the countries called medical tourism. There are

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Speaker 8: hospital systems throughout the United States that have facilities clinics, physicians,

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Speaker 8: hospitals in very nice locations, okay, And one of the

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Speaker 8: reasons they do that is because the regulations are less.

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Speaker 8: So my feeling would be that are our random athlete

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Speaker 8: with neck pain said, I'm going to go to Panama

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Speaker 8: because there's a stem cell clinic there that has less

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Speaker 8: regulations than if in their facilities in the United States.

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Speaker 8: So going to Panama, and not that Panama is the

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Speaker 8: only location, but outside the United States, they can then

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Speaker 8: take stem cells either from the individual or more than

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Speaker 8: likely they probably took stem cells from an umbilical cord.

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Speaker 8: That you can get a certain type of stem cell

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Speaker 8: out of the umbilical cord. Uh, it's a it's a

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Speaker 8: really long term but a mes methan tymel stem cell

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Speaker 8: that is available through umbilical cord, so in the embryos,

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Speaker 8: and that's harvested and then put into the individual. That's

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Speaker 8: my sense of why this athlete or a athlete or

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Speaker 8: ralph reef would go to Panama for stem cells would

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Speaker 8: be to get this very highly potent and low risk

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Speaker 8: stem cell. They're referred to as m Youno privilege.

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Speaker 1: But they are not but that is not permitted in

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Speaker 1: the United States, it is.

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Speaker 8: But it has to be regulated by the FDA for

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Speaker 8: specific trial.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha.

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Speaker 9: Okay, yep.

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Speaker 1: Now one other question on this. For example, Ralph, if

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get a blood transfusion, you know I'm

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Speaker 1: AB negative, right, So that means that I can only

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Speaker 1: take I can take anyone's blood, but only people with

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Speaker 1: AB can take my blood.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: Blood, We know about how blood typing works. True with

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Speaker 1: stem cells, does there have to be can can somebody

1505
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 1: can Nick take anyone's stem cells? Or does it have

1506
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 1: to be within a particular body type that Nick has

1507
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 1: that has to be matched?

1508
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1509
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 8: Good question, And my understanding is that there's a does

1510
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 8: not have to be a match. And again with this

1511
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 8: particular methochymal stem cell from a numbilical cord has an

1512
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:35,520
Speaker 8: extremely low resistance or infection or reactive type of response.

1513
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:38,679
Speaker 8: It's a low risk, so it can come from anyone.

1514
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 1: Okay, Ralph, PCL injuries. Switching from stem cells now into

1515
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 1: the PCL injury, which is you know, as I understand it,

1516
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 1: that's obviously part of the knee We've seen it in

1517
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:51,640
Speaker 1: an increase of this. At least theoretically, it seems like

1518
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 1: we're hearing more about it. Josh Jacobs is one, Drake

1519
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 1: London is another. The PCL injury in terms of a

1520
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 1: knee injury, is on what level of severity and is

1521
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,720
Speaker 1: there a particular kind of strike or blow to a

1522
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 1: knee that leads to this versus say a C L, MC, L,

1523
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:08,639
Speaker 1: et cetera.

1524
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:12,639
Speaker 8: Yeah, Well, first from the severity, based on the business

1525
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 8: of the NFL, any injury that limits top performance is serious, right,

1526
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:23,719
Speaker 8: But if I were to have an injury to the knee,

1527
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 8: a PCL sprain would be one that I would prefer it.

1528
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:35,759
Speaker 8: It is in the there's four major ligaments around the knee.

1529
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 8: We're all familiar with the anterior cruise shit or the ACL,

1530
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 8: and then on the lateral side the l c L

1531
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 8: and the medial side the medial collateral ligament. That post

1532
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 8: tier crushit ligament sits deep in the knee on the

1533
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 8: back of the bone the femur, and it's it's sort

1534
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 8: of like a it's a belt. So when you go

1535
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 8: into full extension and try to get into hyper extension,

1536
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 8: that PCL then gets into its full capability of providing support.

1537
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 8: But when you bend, flex, rotate, so far the PCL

1538
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 8: is sort of a passenger and doesn't really do much.

1539
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:25,680
Speaker 8: So I've had several athletes football, soccer, hockey where the

1540
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 8: PCL has been injured. Depending upon the sport, you can

1541
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 8: put a pretty good strap on them taping and they

1542
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 8: can play with a PCL. If if they are of

1543
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 8: the grade two where there's a partial disruption or even

1544
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 8: a completely torn then it's a it's a player and

1545
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 8: staff decision on when they come back. But PCL it's

1546
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 8: usually occurs with a hyper extension injury. Your foot gets planted,

1547
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 8: your your hip comes forward and and you know your

1548
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 8: leg hyper extends, it straightens out farther than it should.

1549
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 1: So Ralph, what we know is this, and tell me

1550
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 1: if this is a pretty good summary of it all okay?

1551
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:12,640
Speaker 1: With any injury or any sort of thing where you

1552
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 1: might need like for example, in the case of DeForest Buckner,

1553
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 1: you know the stem cells. Maybe that means that he's

1554
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,719
Speaker 1: feeling a pain that he he wanted to go ahead

1555
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 1: and take advantage of the resource of something above and

1556
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 1: beyond what was available here, So he goes to Panama,

1557
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:28,680
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. If you are doing part of

1558
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 1: this as medical tourism, to go where there's less regulation.

1559
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 1: If you are going to another country to do it,

1560
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 1: just make sure you're going to a facility outside the airport,

1561
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:39,640
Speaker 1: so you can then say that you were at that

1562
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 1: particular country because then it counts, right, that's what we're

1563
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 1: getting at here.

1564
01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 8: That is exactly right.

1565
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 1: Or if you do the medical tourism in the airport itself,

1566
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,320
Speaker 1: then no one knows you actually went to that country

1567
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 1: because it doesn't count, right and also.

1568
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 8: Right that, Yeah, you could then be stealth.

1569
01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right. Yeah, this might be a business venture.

1570
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 1: We can go into Ralph. We can set up our

1571
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 1: own little clinic. Right that, somebody already stole my idea

1572
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 1: of the rental units inside of an airport where you

1573
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 1: could like little cabins where you can sleep and all that.

1574
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 1: Somebody took my idea from that. So now we can

1575
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: do a medical tourism plant in some place and nobody

1576
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:20,680
Speaker 1: knows its stealth. I like it.

1577
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 8: This is what will do what Jake I wouldn't. I'm

1578
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:25,520
Speaker 8: not familiar with him, but I would not be surprised

1579
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 8: if there are some places that are that are within

1580
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:33,680
Speaker 8: or really close walking distance to hotels. That would be

1581
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 8: my guess. But yeah, with this stem cell thing. You know,

1582
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:41,600
Speaker 8: there's also the other thing, particularly with the forest. You know,

1583
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 8: he had this done before, so it's obviously and he

1584
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 8: did well. And so he's a receptor right, which means

1585
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:52,679
Speaker 8: he responds very well. And I would guess that he's

1586
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 8: done this to reduce inflammation in his neck. There's only

1587
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 8: three things that really become an issue in the cervical spine,

1588
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 8: making this very generic. But there's a spinal cord. It's

1589
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 8: not that or we would he would it would be

1590
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 8: an issue. And then the ligaments. There's ten ligaments around

1591
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 8: every joint in the cervical spine, between the vertebrae or

1592
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:20,560
Speaker 8: the or the disc, the meniscus, the jelly roll and

1593
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:24,839
Speaker 8: the never thought I would start thinking about a musician

1594
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 8: when I said jelly roll, but anyway, very hip, yes,

1595
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 8: but you've got to my sense is he had this

1596
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:39,240
Speaker 8: done to reduce inflammation and had it done there because

1597
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 8: he could get this specific stem cell that he has

1598
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 8: responded well to before.

1599
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 1: Ralph, we appreciate the time as always, and certainly you know,

1600
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 1: the the nature of sports is such that other injuries

1601
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 1: will pop up, and when it is the case, we

1602
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 1: would be happy to be able to invite you back

1603
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:56,759
Speaker 1: on and have you on because it's always a good conversation.

1604
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 1: I appreciate it as always.

1605
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,719
Speaker 8: Well you're back safe from your journeys, and thanks for having.

1606
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 1: Me appreciate it. Ralphrief again joining us. Ralphreef dot com

1607
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 1: is the website. Quick Recess will come back. Matt Verderram,

1608
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 1: by the way, about ten minutes from now on a

1609
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 1: Wednesday in Indianapolis. For that matter, it's a two o'clock

1610
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 1: an hour everywhere in the Eastern time zone. My name

1611
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 1: is Jake Query. Eddie Garrison the other voice you hear

1612
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Speaker 1: on this program on a day when I am extremely

1613
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Speaker 1: grateful for Java House because little jet lak going on

1614
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Speaker 1: for certain, have no idea what time it is for

1615
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Speaker 1: the most part, but not a problem. Java house dot

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1618
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Speaker 1: the Liquid Science Hydration. Joining us now on the Java

1619
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Speaker 1: House Peel and poor guest line he is with SI

1620
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 1: that's Sports Illustrated covering the NFL. Matt verde Ram joins

1621
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 1: us and Matt. Whoever would have guessed it that we

1622
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 1: would be at a point where the Colts would be

1623
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 1: relevant enough that this game is a big one in

1624
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 1: Kansas City. It is the only franchise Patrick Mahomes has

1625
01:25:57,439 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 1: never beaten in the regular season. You will only hear

1626
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 1: that tooth times between now and Sunday. But the question is,

1627
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:07,639
Speaker 1: from the standpoint of Kansas City, what is it about

1628
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 1: the Chiefs that this year has made them more vulnerable

1629
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 1: than what we have seen in years past.

1630
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 5: They've always been great when they've needed to be, and

1631
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 5: this year they've been the polar opposite of that. They

1632
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:24,639
Speaker 5: they have not been able to focus. You know, they've

1633
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 5: had five losses this year. Three of them they've had

1634
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:29,639
Speaker 5: ten or more penalties in those games. They've they've been

1635
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 5: a disaster on special teams. Not so much, you know,

1636
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 5: they haven't given up a return for a touchdown or

1637
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 5: anything like that, but they've kicked the ball out of bounds,

1638
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 5: they've missed landing zones, they've they've had extra points who

1639
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 5: get blocked. They've missed extra points, they've missed easy field goals.

1640
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:47,840
Speaker 5: They've given up a ton of yardage and returns, and

1641
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 5: they've taken, if they haven't taken the most penalties on

1642
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 5: special teams, they've got to be right up there. I mean,

1643
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 5: they've they've beaten themselves in a lot of ways. Mahomes

1644
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 5: the last two weeks has not played well. He's made

1645
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 5: some throws. He's also made some horrendous throws these last

1646
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:04,760
Speaker 5: two games. And so I think, look right now, they

1647
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:09,760
Speaker 5: smack of a team that just looks absolutely exhausted. They

1648
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:13,880
Speaker 5: just look like they've run out of gas. And you know,

1649
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 5: maybe that's an oversimplification, but it was like a team

1650
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 5: that other teams are getting up for them and there

1651
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:21,880
Speaker 5: ready to play them. She should do not look ready

1652
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:22,719
Speaker 5: to play these games?

1653
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 1: Could it also be Matt that in this may be

1654
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 1: way off base because it almost feels like it's too obvious,

1655
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 1: but that Andy Reid is as great as he is

1656
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 1: and as gifted as he is an offensive you know,

1657
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 1: lab scientists and all of those things. So much of

1658
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 1: their offense was based upon the flexibility the versatility of

1659
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:48,200
Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey, and now just simply put with him getting

1660
01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 1: older and being less available in some of those plays

1661
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 1: that it has grind you kind of slowed down everything

1662
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 1: else within their offense. Is that too simplistic an observation?

1663
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:03,800
Speaker 5: No, I don't think it's too simplest. Look, Kelsey's actually

1664
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 5: having like I mean, I've got the second most receiving

1665
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 5: yards in the league for tight end. Then he's been

1666
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 5: much very normal as a year ago. I think he's

1667
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 5: in better shape this year. Did he tell you that?

1668
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 5: I think part of it though, that you said that

1669
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,680
Speaker 5: is very true. The Chiefs are somewhat of victim right

1670
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 5: now their own successes, and that like Andy Reid, they

1671
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:25,760
Speaker 5: just have not changed the offense right in years and

1672
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 5: haven't had to like they've just they've just dominated. And

1673
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:31,720
Speaker 5: at times this year they've been awesome offensive. They have

1674
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:33,679
Speaker 5: had some games this year where it looks like they'll

1675
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 5: never punt the ball again. But the last two weeks

1676
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:40,720
Speaker 5: they've played teams that are like the Bills aren't a

1677
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 5: divisional rival for Kansas City, but they might as well be.

1678
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:45,840
Speaker 5: They play him every year twice, and Denver, of course,

1679
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 5: actually is. And these teams know what they're doing. It's

1680
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:51,879
Speaker 5: no secret. And in this game, I mean, look, Steichen

1681
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,799
Speaker 5: was in the AFC West, he coached with the Chargers.

1682
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 5: He coached against the Chiefs and the Super Bowl, and

1683
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 5: he had a lot of success that night, even though

1684
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 5: they lost. You know, Lou Anrumo has seen the Chiefs

1685
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 5: a million times, and that is the CONSERVEI you're in

1686
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 5: Kansas City, like, are they gonna do anything different? You know,

1687
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:09,800
Speaker 5: the Chiefs have been very good, for example, running out

1688
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 5: of under center place, They've been awesome under center. They

1689
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 5: never do it. They will get under center, they'll run

1690
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:18,680
Speaker 5: for twenty yards on two plays, and they'll never do

1691
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:20,920
Speaker 5: it the entire rest of the game. And it's just

1692
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:24,679
Speaker 5: it feels like they are trying to manufacture yards instead

1693
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 5: of just letting their playmakers go out and make plays,

1694
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 5: because that's what the offense has been. And it's it's

1695
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:34,200
Speaker 5: stale right now. It's stale. It's not working, and it's

1696
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:36,760
Speaker 5: it's a problem. I mean they are. If you look

1697
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:39,360
Speaker 5: at throwing charts from the homes, they do nothing in

1698
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 5: the intermediate area field nothing, there's nothing in the middle

1699
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 5: of the field, there's nothing between the hashes. It's all

1700
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 5: on the outside. It's all shorts or it's fifty yards

1701
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 5: out of the field. And it's been a problem.

1702
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 1: You know, the Colts on the other side of it, Matt,

1703
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 1: and I'm curious the national standpoint of this. I mean,

1704
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 1: you obviously saw plenty of Daniel Jones in New York

1705
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 1: with the Giants, you know, in watching the league, and

1706
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 1: of course the narrative on Jones when he got to

1707
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:09,599
Speaker 1: Indianapolis was, yeah, this is a guy that's a cast

1708
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 1: off because he couldn't protect the football in New York,

1709
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:15,600
Speaker 1: amongst other issues that rose up. Right, we're starting to

1710
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 1: see a little of that. Is is this which is the

1711
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:24,559
Speaker 1: real Daniel Jones here? Like in other words, are we

1712
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 1: now finding out that perhaps the first six to seven

1713
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:31,600
Speaker 1: weeks was the anomaly? Or is this just like a

1714
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 1: little hiccup and we're and he goes back to being

1715
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 1: what he was the first six to seven weeks.

1716
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:41,599
Speaker 5: Well, I think it could be somewhere in between. Honestly, Look,

1717
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:45,560
Speaker 5: the first eight games the Colts played, they allowed nine sacks.

1718
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:51,840
Speaker 5: They were tremendous upfront. And then against Pittsburgh and against Atlanta,

1719
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 5: those two teams basically just said, we are blitzing as

1720
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 5: much as we can possibly blitch and you're gonna have

1721
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 5: to be just doing it and sacked them twelve puns

1722
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:03,639
Speaker 5: and he turned the ball over a bunch. Now that's

1723
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:06,480
Speaker 5: to use the word you used earlier, that's an oversimplification

1724
01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:08,040
Speaker 5: of it. Like there's more to it than just that,

1725
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 5: but like that was the kind of overarching theme. I

1726
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 5: watched every snap of those two games. Those defenses basically

1727
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:17,439
Speaker 5: just said, we're not even gonna hide the fact we're blitzing.

1728
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:21,519
Speaker 5: Do something about it. Now in this game, He's gonna

1729
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 5: be very interesting because the Chiefs have always been a

1730
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 5: high blitz team under spignel Low, but they have not

1731
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:29,559
Speaker 5: blitzed very much at all the last couple of weeks,

1732
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 5: and they have been beaten in big spots that they

1733
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 5: normally They were normally very very good on third lawe.

1734
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:38,479
Speaker 5: They're very good in those downs, and Bonnicks repeatedly beat

1735
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 5: him because they kept dropping seven and the Chief task

1736
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:43,559
Speaker 5: rush outside of Jones and Carl Office's staff, but nobody

1737
01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 5: can do anything. So a lot of times the Chiefs

1738
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 5: have been pretty successful, will blitz, will bring five, will

1739
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:52,880
Speaker 5: play some man covers behind it. The secondary is the

1740
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 5: strength of that defense my mile, and so I wonder

1741
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 5: in this game, based on the chief failures their last

1742
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:01,880
Speaker 5: two weeks, the Colts struggles to block on some of

1743
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:04,760
Speaker 5: these blitz packtors the last two weeks, I wonder if

1744
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 5: this game, if that's what this game is about, is

1745
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 5: what does Jones do? And the Chiefs just bring six

1746
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 5: guys and they just man up everybody on the back

1747
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 5: end and say, go ahead and do it proo ball,

1748
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 5: And I think that, you know, I think if you're

1749
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 5: the chief in this game, you're your number one thing

1750
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:19,439
Speaker 5: is stop Jonathan Taylor's obviously not easy, but then that

1751
01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:21,800
Speaker 5: will be the plan. And number two it's going to

1752
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:24,920
Speaker 5: be We're going to keep Jones up like crazy and

1753
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 5: see what happens. And it's it's look, it's a dangerous

1754
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:30,559
Speaker 5: thing because if you don't get home, the Colts have

1755
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:32,880
Speaker 5: a lot of weapons. You got problem. But it's I

1756
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 5: think that's probably what Spagnola is going to do in

1757
01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:37,280
Speaker 5: this game is just go after him with a ton

1758
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 5: of blitz packages.

1759
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 1: Matt Berderram is our guest Java House Peel and poor

1760
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 1: guest line he is with Sports Illustrated. Of course you

1761
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:49,040
Speaker 1: look at it right now. Is Jonathan Taylor the front

1762
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 1: runner for MVP?

1763
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:55,800
Speaker 5: No, because look, in a just world he should be,

1764
01:32:56,680 --> 01:33:00,400
Speaker 5: but he's a running back. I think I think he

1765
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:03,759
Speaker 5: is absolutely the front runner and would almost be shocking

1766
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 5: if he didn't win as all these stage healthy for

1767
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 5: Offensive Player of the Year that I think he will

1768
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:10,559
Speaker 5: win going away. H MVP. I think is at this

1769
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 5: point just the quarterback award. It shouldn't be, but it is.

1770
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 5: We've all turned it into that. Like I think it's

1771
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,200
Speaker 5: this juncture, you know it's gonna go to I think,

1772
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:21,760
Speaker 5: you know, Stafford or Trake may are the two guys,

1773
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:24,800
Speaker 5: you know, if you know, if the Bills or even

1774
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 5: a Kansas City have some crazy finasy win out or

1775
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:29,599
Speaker 5: something in the quarterbacks were outrageous, maybe one of them,

1776
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 5: but probably not. It's probably Mayor or Stafford. You know,

1777
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:35,559
Speaker 5: throw Donald in there as kind of a dark horse

1778
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:37,639
Speaker 5: for this past week, I think probably took him out

1779
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 5: of it. Taylor has been the best offensive player in football.

1780
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 5: You know, he Jackson, Smith's and Jig. But but it's

1781
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:49,800
Speaker 5: just so hard, you know, Taylor to have any shot,

1782
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 5: he's gonna have to rush the two thousand yards. And

1783
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:56,439
Speaker 5: we saw last year Barkley was unbelievable for Philadelphia and

1784
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 5: there was really no quarterback that had a great year.

1785
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:01,719
Speaker 5: I mean, Jackson had the pasture forty one touchdown passes,

1786
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:04,360
Speaker 5: four picks, and yet they gave it to Allen, who

1787
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:09,599
Speaker 5: was statistically speaking, was fine. But Barkley never really got

1788
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:11,600
Speaker 5: close to winning it. I think Taylor walks away with

1789
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:14,080
Speaker 5: Offensive Player of the Year, which is basically the non

1790
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 5: quarterback MVP. I don't think anybody who's not a quarterback,

1791
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:18,479
Speaker 5: so way.

1792
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:20,960
Speaker 1: Pick Okay, Matt, I'm going to read to you right now.

1793
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna do this for both conferences. Okay, in the

1794
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,840
Speaker 1: AFC right now. If the playoffs were to begin today,

1795
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 1: which they don't, but if they were Denver, Jacksonville, New England,

1796
01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 1: the Chargers, Colts, Bills, and Steelers. Okay, aside from well,

1797
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 1: I'll just put it to you this way. Of the

1798
01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 1: of those teams that I just mentioned, give me the

1799
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 1: three that you're most sold on are in fact, can

1800
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:49,480
Speaker 1: maintain it till the end of the year, legit.

1801
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:55,479
Speaker 5: Well, despite issues that I think are going to eventually

1802
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:58,559
Speaker 5: get him in January. Buffalo because of their track record,

1803
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:02,600
Speaker 5: I would say Buffalo Indianapolis at this point. Look, I mean,

1804
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 5: they're gonna win the division. I think Indianapolis clearly is

1805
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:07,920
Speaker 5: a team that, like I think, at minimum sure in

1806
01:35:07,960 --> 01:35:10,479
Speaker 5: a playoff game and depending on their massups, who else

1807
01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:15,719
Speaker 5: could get Chanta Clara? I would I would say New England.

1808
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:19,960
Speaker 5: I know, Look, the Pacers have played nobody, but they

1809
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,080
Speaker 5: played the Bucks, they played the Bills, they were on

1810
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 5: the road. They won them both, Like those are real wins, now,

1811
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 5: you know. Look, other than that, it has been like

1812
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 5: just a ridiculous schedule. They basically played like the mac

1813
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 5: all year long. Okay, but.

1814
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:42,879
Speaker 1: On Thursday nights in weather they're in action, right, Yeah.

1815
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 5: They played like the Ohio Bobcats last I mean it,

1816
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:48,280
Speaker 5: it's just been unbelievable. What a joke their schedulem But

1817
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:52,200
Speaker 5: I think May is legit. Rabel's are really good coach like,

1818
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:54,600
Speaker 5: but that's kind of a thing with the AFC. You

1819
01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 5: need the AFC. I could make a case for any

1820
01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:00,920
Speaker 5: of those teams outside of probably play Pits and Jacksonville

1821
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:03,360
Speaker 5: to win a game, maybe even win two. I could

1822
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:05,320
Speaker 5: also make a case for any of them, including by

1823
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:07,080
Speaker 5: the way, Kansas City and Baltimore. Did they get in

1824
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:10,400
Speaker 5: any of them go to the super Bowl in the

1825
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 5: first round? Yeah, rot dock me. I mean it's it's

1826
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 5: such a weird year, really is Well?

1827
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 1: The same can be said, So I'm gonna ask you

1828
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:20,479
Speaker 1: the same question. Let me read off the NFC. Okay, Philly,

1829
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:25,520
Speaker 1: the Niners, l A, Rams, Green Bay, Chicago, Seattle, and Tampa.

1830
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:28,559
Speaker 1: Give me the three that you feel the most confident

1831
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:30,040
Speaker 1: about it that group I just read off.

1832
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:35,599
Speaker 5: To you the Rams, the Eagles, the Seahawks. For me, Now,

1833
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:38,880
Speaker 5: the NFC to me is a little weird. Like so

1834
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:40,479
Speaker 5: the NFC, I feel like the teams are a little

1835
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:42,680
Speaker 5: more established. I mean, the Bears obviously aren't. Like the

1836
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 5: Bucks have been there a lot of course, the Rams,

1837
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:48,360
Speaker 5: of course, assuming the Lions figure out a way to

1838
01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 5: get an act, they will like they've been there. If

1839
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:53,160
Speaker 5: the Packers get in, they've been there. But it's it's okay,

1840
01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:55,000
Speaker 5: It's true. Like I think the Rams are the best

1841
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 5: team in football. I don't think it's by a massive degree,

1842
01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:59,840
Speaker 5: but I think for the best team that being still,

1843
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 5: the Rams are two season the lines are a seventh seat.

1844
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 5: I would go into that game being like, I don't

1845
01:37:05,080 --> 01:37:08,040
Speaker 5: know the fifty to fifty, like who knows? Go in

1846
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:10,160
Speaker 5: that game? You know, then you'll get the Eagles and

1847
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:13,680
Speaker 5: you say they can't score a point, but they he

1848
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:16,559
Speaker 5: went in so like at some point, like, how seriously

1849
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:18,760
Speaker 5: do you just say, hey, look, they're the best team

1850
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:20,920
Speaker 5: this year. I will say one thing for the playoffs,

1851
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:24,120
Speaker 5: regardless of the conference, you are going to have a

1852
01:37:24,160 --> 01:37:29,160
Speaker 5: lot of compelling games. Yeah, because I who knows, I

1853
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 5: was thinking about this here day. I don't think this

1854
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:34,240
Speaker 5: is going to happen, Although it is possible. There's a

1855
01:37:34,280 --> 01:37:36,760
Speaker 5: world in the AFC that the Bills, the Chiefs, and

1856
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:40,320
Speaker 5: the Ravens of the wildcard teams, Like, what do you

1857
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:41,960
Speaker 5: do with that? I think all three of those teams

1858
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 5: would be fair, Like those teams would probably be fair

1859
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:48,840
Speaker 5: if they went the Pittsburgh, Denver, New England, They're probably

1860
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:49,559
Speaker 5: all favorites.

1861
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:53,000
Speaker 1: And what's funny, Matt is I would agree with you

1862
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:56,680
Speaker 1: that in your mind, the three best teams perhaps in

1863
01:37:56,720 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 1: the AFC or you know, or the things going into it,

1864
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:02,760
Speaker 1: the teams we thought were going to be the strongest

1865
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:07,160
Speaker 1: are on the outside looking in or on the customer right. Whereas, however,

1866
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:10,800
Speaker 1: that NFC docket that I just told you feels like

1867
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:14,200
Speaker 1: it has more depth of superiority. Would you agree with that?

1868
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:20,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, So the NFC to me has much more depth

1869
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:21,960
Speaker 5: in the conference. But you know the thing with the

1870
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:25,120
Speaker 5: AFC that makes it so hard to really kind of decipher.

1871
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:27,640
Speaker 5: You know, the Ravens now, their track record in the

1872
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:30,840
Speaker 5: playoffs is a disaster. Okay, they're band dancing in the

1873
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:34,080
Speaker 5: Olympics and Billy finally won a lilahammer right like it's

1874
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 5: but their track record before that is they're unassailable. They're

1875
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:40,559
Speaker 5: gonna win twelve thirteen games. They're gonna be there. Buffalo,

1876
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:43,439
Speaker 5: same thing. Kansas City. Obviously they're a dynasty. I mean

1877
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:46,160
Speaker 5: they've been there, they've done that, and so I think

1878
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:48,360
Speaker 5: everybody looks at those teams and goes, Okay, we know

1879
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:49,640
Speaker 5: what they are, we know what they can bring to

1880
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 5: the table. Indianapolis is brand new and with a quarterback that,

1881
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:54,240
Speaker 5: let's be honest, a lot of people are still looking

1882
01:38:54,280 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 5: at and going, what are you really like are you

1883
01:38:58,160 --> 01:38:59,880
Speaker 5: are you really capable of making a run like this.

1884
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:02,320
Speaker 5: I think Seattle's kind of got the same thing where

1885
01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:06,200
Speaker 5: yoga darld and go, well, the team, but what are

1886
01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:08,000
Speaker 5: you going to do in a huge spot. It's just

1887
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:11,360
Speaker 5: it's an unknown Denver. I think everybody looks at and says,

1888
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:14,120
Speaker 5: defense is awesome, but do you really trust that offense

1889
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:17,160
Speaker 5: in a playoffs? Right? Well, I mean, you know, and

1890
01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:18,719
Speaker 5: that's where we are in that conference.

1891
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:20,960
Speaker 1: So the Colts offense, I mean, with Daniel Jones, I

1892
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:22,960
Speaker 1: want to go back to this. Matt verderram our guest

1893
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:27,400
Speaker 1: from Sports Illustrated, do you believe, I guess a two

1894
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:30,519
Speaker 1: part question. Do you believe that Chris Ballard and the

1895
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:35,360
Speaker 1: Colts brass are convinced and determined that Daniel Jones is

1896
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 1: in fact the long term guy and they need to

1897
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:40,200
Speaker 1: sign him, you know, re sign him. That's question one,

1898
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:43,320
Speaker 1: and the counter or the other part of that would

1899
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:47,120
Speaker 1: be do you think they should feel that way?

1900
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:52,160
Speaker 5: So when they made the trade for Sauce Gardner, that

1901
01:39:52,360 --> 01:39:53,960
Speaker 5: told me everything I need to know about how they

1902
01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:57,200
Speaker 5: feel Aboutdangels. Because if you're doing if you're making that

1903
01:39:57,240 --> 01:40:00,760
Speaker 5: trade and you're trading away into mass his chunk of

1904
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:03,720
Speaker 5: your future, yep, you're doing that saying we have our

1905
01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:07,599
Speaker 5: quarterback because you're not. You're You're insane if you're making

1906
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:10,200
Speaker 5: that trade, if don't you have a quarterback like I

1907
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:12,840
Speaker 5: I'll be very honest, I was. I was surprised if

1908
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:16,800
Speaker 5: Colts did that, just because, first of all, Ballard, well,

1909
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:18,400
Speaker 5: he has made big trades of four I mean, he

1910
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:20,439
Speaker 5: got Buckner and that cost the first round Pickinger like

1911
01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:23,639
Speaker 5: he is typically not the most aggressive gam in the world.

1912
01:40:24,120 --> 01:40:27,040
Speaker 5: That was a bet as aggressive of movies you're ever

1913
01:40:27,080 --> 01:40:31,360
Speaker 5: gonna make. But I was surprised in that regard. That

1914
01:40:31,439 --> 01:40:34,559
Speaker 5: being said, look, Gardner is a force, He's a he's

1915
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:39,960
Speaker 5: a game changing player on the defensive end. I personally

1916
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:43,760
Speaker 5: would probably tag Jones if they can, if they can

1917
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:46,160
Speaker 5: do it cap wise this upcoming year, because I just

1918
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:49,120
Speaker 5: would want to see him do it again. My biggest

1919
01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:50,800
Speaker 5: fear with Jones is you just have one of these

1920
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:53,760
Speaker 5: years and he's just great, and then you give him

1921
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:57,120
Speaker 5: a massive jump whatever, four year, two hundred million dollar.

1922
01:40:56,960 --> 01:41:00,360
Speaker 1: Contract kirks, right, yeah, and you're.

1923
01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:04,000
Speaker 5: Sitting there like in week nine next year, going oh, actually, yes,

1924
01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:06,080
Speaker 5: it turns out if the team blitzes like it's over,

1925
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:10,240
Speaker 5: that's the problem. You know, you don't want to be

1926
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:13,160
Speaker 5: in that stop you. I mean, heck, do you know

1927
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:15,160
Speaker 5: who the last big contract was like that? It was

1928
01:41:15,200 --> 01:41:16,920
Speaker 5: a disaster, Daniel.

1929
01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:20,200
Speaker 1: Jones in New York, Right, you're right when.

1930
01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:21,880
Speaker 5: They gave him four and one sixty and they were

1931
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:23,800
Speaker 5: like this is fantastic, and by like week four of

1932
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:25,720
Speaker 5: the following you know, oh my god, what did we do?

1933
01:41:26,200 --> 01:41:29,680
Speaker 5: Like I would, I would tag him and play it

1934
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:31,320
Speaker 5: out and.

1935
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:33,559
Speaker 1: And I don't know, Seattle's situation with Donald how many

1936
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:35,439
Speaker 1: years they gave him, But it feels like, in fact,

1937
01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:37,759
Speaker 1: he's kind of the same guy right in the NFC.

1938
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:41,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, no question. I mean I said earlier, I joyed.

1939
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:44,280
Speaker 5: They're like the the the version of the Colts in

1940
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:47,920
Speaker 5: the NFC. And you know that game last week. Look

1941
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:50,439
Speaker 5: they lose to the Rams. Okay, fine, it's not the

1942
01:41:50,479 --> 01:41:51,720
Speaker 5: end of the world. They play him again later in

1943
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:53,280
Speaker 5: the year at home, they can split the series. But

1944
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:56,000
Speaker 5: did you watch that game. I was sitting there watching

1945
01:41:56,080 --> 01:42:00,280
Speaker 5: Donald's just throwing pick after pick after pick. Have to

1946
01:42:00,280 --> 01:42:03,400
Speaker 5: be like, man, buddy at some point here, like that's

1947
01:42:03,479 --> 01:42:06,120
Speaker 5: kind of the knock on you was in these big spots,

1948
01:42:06,200 --> 01:42:09,320
Speaker 5: you're kind of a disaster like and that's you know,

1949
01:42:09,320 --> 01:42:11,120
Speaker 5: I don't want to hear that. Like the Rams showed

1950
01:42:11,160 --> 01:42:14,520
Speaker 5: him a pressure. They just beat you in the playoffs.

1951
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:16,400
Speaker 5: You when you were with the Vikings, you want to

1952
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:18,680
Speaker 5: know exactly what pressure the books they're giving you. You

1953
01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:20,760
Speaker 5: ought to know the I mean that you should have

1954
01:42:20,760 --> 01:42:23,919
Speaker 5: been studying that tape for six months, especially going to Seattle,

1955
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:26,200
Speaker 5: and you come into that game and you watch him

1956
01:42:26,240 --> 01:42:28,400
Speaker 5: just even earlier in the year they played against Tampa

1957
01:42:28,479 --> 01:42:30,240
Speaker 5: to his friend. He was very, very good in that game,

1958
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:32,519
Speaker 5: and the end of the game's thirty five thirty five,

1959
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:34,600
Speaker 5: and they're own end of a minute to go, and

1960
01:42:34,680 --> 01:42:37,400
Speaker 5: he just throws the ball right out Levonte David and

1961
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:40,840
Speaker 5: they lose again, and you're like, that's look, both Jones

1962
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:43,040
Speaker 5: and Darnold. They may end up going to the playoffs

1963
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:45,280
Speaker 5: this year. Obviously they're gonna be there and be awesome.

1964
01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:47,800
Speaker 5: They also might go in there and go one and done.

1965
01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:49,640
Speaker 5: And then you got a whole lot of questions like,

1966
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:52,439
Speaker 5: if I'm the Colts, I am thrilled the way he's

1967
01:42:52,479 --> 01:42:54,920
Speaker 5: played this year, but I would probably try to tag

1968
01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:56,599
Speaker 5: him and play this thing out another year.

1969
01:42:57,360 --> 01:43:00,880
Speaker 1: Okay. Lastly, Sauce Gardner, your thoughts on that acquisition for

1970
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:04,720
Speaker 1: Indianapolis and whether or not they can get return on

1971
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:07,240
Speaker 1: investment because the investment was large.

1972
01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:09,760
Speaker 5: Well, it's a lot. I'm not gonna lie. It was

1973
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:12,120
Speaker 5: a lot. It was. I was surprised the Colts did it.

1974
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:17,439
Speaker 5: I probably wouldn't have done that just because two first

1975
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:19,040
Speaker 5: round picks for me, Like, if I'm giving up two

1976
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:21,720
Speaker 5: first round picks, I'm been like Miles Gary, Okay, I'm

1977
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:25,360
Speaker 5: getting a guy who just instantly like every game. He's

1978
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:27,599
Speaker 5: just an absolute. I mean, Michael Parsons was two first

1979
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:31,879
Speaker 5: round picks. That being said, Gardner is an excellent corner.

1980
01:43:32,479 --> 01:43:35,799
Speaker 5: And in Adam Rumo's system, you need to have guys

1981
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:37,599
Speaker 5: on that back end who can play. Because a lot

1982
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:39,800
Speaker 5: of times with lou if you get if he plays

1983
01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:42,360
Speaker 5: the he wants to play, Yeah, there's gonna be he's

1984
01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:44,200
Speaker 5: gonna vary it up and he's he's a guy who's

1985
01:43:44,240 --> 01:43:47,080
Speaker 5: in multiple on his defense. But you want to play

1986
01:43:47,120 --> 01:43:49,160
Speaker 5: some coverage, guys are gonna have to hold up a

1987
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:52,639
Speaker 5: little bit, do some different things, and Gardner can do that. Obviously,

1988
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:55,800
Speaker 5: he's a tremendous player. So I like the contract he's

1989
01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:58,479
Speaker 5: on for the Colts. I like determine and the and

1990
01:43:58,720 --> 01:44:01,760
Speaker 5: the money. I think he is an absolute. He's an

1991
01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:05,360
Speaker 5: elite corner. But yeah, it's a lot like that trade.

1992
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:08,160
Speaker 5: If they go to a Super Bowl that trades a day, Fine,

1993
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:10,400
Speaker 5: you'll give up those picks a day of the week.

1994
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:13,280
Speaker 5: I honestly think in a weird way, I'll tell you

1995
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:14,960
Speaker 5: how much I like that trade when I see how

1996
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:18,040
Speaker 5: Daniel Jones plays out, Because to me, that trade was

1997
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:19,920
Speaker 5: more about Daniel Jones, and it was about Saluz Cartner.

1998
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:23,560
Speaker 1: What do you got upcoming at side dot com, Matt.

1999
01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:26,599
Speaker 5: A whole lot of stuff. I don't know. I got

2000
01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:31,240
Speaker 5: my preview file on Friday looking at the five best games. Obviously,

2001
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:33,640
Speaker 5: Chiefs Colts will be in there, my Good, Bad and

2002
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:36,080
Speaker 5: Ugly column that comes out on Sunday throughout the day,

2003
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:39,160
Speaker 5: just breaking down everything we're seeing and kind of you

2004
01:44:39,200 --> 01:44:42,000
Speaker 5: know what it means going forward. So those will be

2005
01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:44,720
Speaker 5: the two main things, and then my quarterly All Pro

2006
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:46,400
Speaker 5: team comes out next week.

2007
01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:49,320
Speaker 1: Cool, all right? Well, and certainly I can think of

2008
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:51,880
Speaker 1: at least one cult on that list, and perhaps there

2009
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:53,679
Speaker 1: will be others. We shall see, right.

2010
01:44:54,960 --> 01:44:57,280
Speaker 5: Yes, there will definitely there will definitely be at least

2011
01:44:57,280 --> 01:44:59,160
Speaker 5: one cult. That is a guarantee, Matt.

2012
01:44:59,200 --> 01:45:01,120
Speaker 1: We appreciate the time time as always, man, love having

2013
01:45:01,160 --> 01:45:03,320
Speaker 1: y'all and appreciate it. We'll look forward on SI dot

2014
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:07,800
Speaker 1: com anytime. Matt Verderram joining us, Java House, Peel and

2015
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:10,720
Speaker 1: Port guest line. All right, when we come back. I've

2016
01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:14,480
Speaker 1: got a couple of gifts for Eddie and one anecdote

2017
01:45:14,479 --> 01:45:18,719
Speaker 1: from my trip that one observation I had about sports

2018
01:45:18,760 --> 01:45:22,280
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, and one anecdote also that I thought was

2019
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:24,280
Speaker 1: important to share. We'll get to all that when we

2020
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:27,080
Speaker 1: return here Wednesday edition. It feels like a Monday to me.

2021
01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:30,439
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie querying company on the fan. Let

2022
01:45:30,479 --> 01:45:31,960
Speaker 1: me tell you when we were in Germany, this was

2023
01:45:31,960 --> 01:45:40,240
Speaker 1: bumping everywhere. Hasselhoff Baby huge in Germany. So I'm back

2024
01:45:40,240 --> 01:45:48,400
Speaker 1: from vacation. We went to Vienna, Austria, and then from

2025
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:52,719
Speaker 1: Vienna Austria for we did a literally an afternoon trip.

2026
01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:58,719
Speaker 1: We took the train to Broadus Slava, Slovakia, and went

2027
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:03,760
Speaker 1: to essentially a a river boat on the Danube River,

2028
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:06,280
Speaker 1: had a beer there, got right back in the cab,

2029
01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:08,120
Speaker 1: went right back to the train station and right back

2030
01:46:08,120 --> 01:46:10,000
Speaker 1: to Vienna because it was the weather was terrible, but

2031
01:46:10,680 --> 01:46:15,559
Speaker 1: it's forty five minute train ride from Vienna. Then after

2032
01:46:15,640 --> 01:46:22,160
Speaker 1: in Vienna I went to the birthplace of Amadeus Mozart,

2033
01:46:22,280 --> 01:46:26,080
Speaker 1: which was very cool. Amideis I'm adayis That's right? All

2034
01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:30,800
Speaker 1: about Falco baby, And then went from Vienna to Salzburg,

2035
01:46:31,160 --> 01:46:36,599
Speaker 1: which is beautiful, and from Salzburg to Munich. And while

2036
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:39,680
Speaker 1: in Munich I did go to the nineteen seventy two

2037
01:46:39,680 --> 01:46:42,080
Speaker 1: Olympic Park where the seventy two Olympic games took place.

2038
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:46,080
Speaker 1: That's the Olympic Games that are noted for three things.

2039
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:49,160
Speaker 1: That was where the Russian team controversially beat the United

2040
01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:53,320
Speaker 1: States in basketball. Mark Spitz was the star of those

2041
01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:57,840
Speaker 1: games in swimming. And of course the biggest story, which

2042
01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:01,439
Speaker 1: took place two days after I was born, and that

2043
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:06,559
Speaker 1: is the Palestinian terrace that you know kidnapped and killed

2044
01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:11,320
Speaker 1: eleven Israelis in Munich, and they have a memorial for

2045
01:47:11,400 --> 01:47:13,800
Speaker 1: that in the Olympic Park, the Olympic Park. Right on

2046
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:17,200
Speaker 1: the edge of that park is the BMW headquarters. And

2047
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:19,280
Speaker 1: when we drove in to try to find the memorial,

2048
01:47:19,439 --> 01:47:21,880
Speaker 1: I was trying to find where it was in this park,

2049
01:47:22,479 --> 01:47:24,679
Speaker 1: which is most of the Olympic venues are still there,

2050
01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:27,400
Speaker 1: including the original Olympic Stadium that is still in use.

2051
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:30,560
Speaker 1: And I've pulled over and asked a guy that was

2052
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:32,200
Speaker 1: working at the stadium. I said, hey, do you know

2053
01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:35,799
Speaker 1: where I would find the memorial park? And he started

2054
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:37,040
Speaker 1: to answer it, and then he said, by the way,

2055
01:47:37,040 --> 01:47:38,840
Speaker 1: how'd you get back here? So what do you mean?

2056
01:47:38,840 --> 01:47:40,400
Speaker 1: He said, Well, to get to this area, you've got

2057
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:42,000
Speaker 1: to have like a placard on your car and a

2058
01:47:42,040 --> 01:47:44,800
Speaker 1: security clearance and everything else. How did you get back here? Again?

2059
01:47:45,479 --> 01:47:46,519
Speaker 1: And I said, you know, I'm not going to lie

2060
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:48,360
Speaker 1: to you. That's like the most common question people ask

2061
01:47:48,439 --> 01:47:50,200
Speaker 1: me at most places where I am in my life,

2062
01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:52,760
Speaker 1: just like, how did you get here? And Shannon, the

2063
01:47:52,760 --> 01:47:54,800
Speaker 1: whole time we got to leave, we're going to get arrested, Shannon.

2064
01:47:54,800 --> 01:47:57,600
Speaker 2: That's fine, Shannon, I can talk us out of this.

2065
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:00,479
Speaker 1: Come on down, that's right. But I did want to

2066
01:48:00,520 --> 01:48:04,080
Speaker 1: bring back gifts for Eddie, and I didn't. I wasn't

2067
01:48:04,120 --> 01:48:06,960
Speaker 1: as thorough with my shopping and things like that as usual.

2068
01:48:07,080 --> 01:48:08,960
Speaker 1: So but I did go to these are not from

2069
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:12,520
Speaker 1: the airport. I went to an authentic grocery store. Admittedly,

2070
01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:15,560
Speaker 1: you could probably go like across the street to the

2071
01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:17,000
Speaker 1: Querry gas and gulpen. Get there.

2072
01:48:17,120 --> 01:48:18,880
Speaker 2: No shrimp chips this time, right, No.

2073
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:22,519
Speaker 1: Shrimp chips, but almost as good. It goes without saying

2074
01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:24,320
Speaker 1: that if you're going to be in Germany, you got

2075
01:48:24,360 --> 01:48:26,640
Speaker 1: to bring back just gummy bears, right, because that's I

2076
01:48:26,640 --> 01:48:29,880
Speaker 1: think they were invented in Germany. So here's your first

2077
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:32,799
Speaker 1: just a packet of fruit and flavored gummy bears.

2078
01:48:32,640 --> 01:48:35,439
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, then I wish I could read this than

2079
01:48:36,200 --> 01:48:37,280
Speaker 2: the company.

2080
01:48:36,920 --> 01:48:40,160
Speaker 1: Well, this one here, it says that it's vegan. Now,

2081
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:44,320
Speaker 1: there is somebody who claims to always be my best

2082
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:47,160
Speaker 1: friend just because we did radio together long enough, and

2083
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:49,120
Speaker 1: I think he would be sad to know, even though

2084
01:48:49,120 --> 01:48:51,479
Speaker 1: he was filling in for me last week, that that torch,

2085
01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:53,800
Speaker 1: now that that title now belongs to you, Eddie, because

2086
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:56,960
Speaker 1: you're the broadcast partner. So based on and I can't

2087
01:48:57,000 --> 01:49:00,320
Speaker 1: read what kind of gummy bears these are? But except

2088
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:02,200
Speaker 1: for that says they're vegan. I don't know what that means.

2089
01:49:02,240 --> 01:49:04,439
Speaker 1: I mean, like, are most gummy bears made a pork?

2090
01:49:04,479 --> 01:49:07,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, but this vegan gummy bears. But you'll

2091
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:09,160
Speaker 1: notice if you will please the title on this one,

2092
01:49:09,200 --> 01:49:14,479
Speaker 1: if you can decipher what that says, I do not know, well,

2093
01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:16,559
Speaker 1: you can figure out what the two words are. They're right,

2094
01:49:17,400 --> 01:49:21,439
Speaker 1: I don't know below best Oh look at that. I

2095
01:49:21,439 --> 01:49:23,880
Speaker 1: thought you were talking about No, no, no, best friend. Yeah,

2096
01:49:23,880 --> 01:49:26,400
Speaker 1: that's right. And then lastly it goes without saying. If

2097
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:28,880
Speaker 1: I'm bringing you back treats like that, I've got to

2098
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:29,439
Speaker 1: give you this one.

2099
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:29,640
Speaker 5: Right?

2100
01:49:29,880 --> 01:49:30,720
Speaker 2: Is this watermelon?

2101
01:49:31,960 --> 01:49:32,160
Speaker 5: Hey?

2102
01:49:32,160 --> 01:49:35,280
Speaker 1: It is watermelon gummies for Eddie. Those are straight from Germany?

2103
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:39,600
Speaker 1: Or was Malonon. That's right, So thank you. Here's the

2104
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:41,519
Speaker 1: one thing on the trip that I that I did

2105
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:42,920
Speaker 1: want to share. And I don't want to be that

2106
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:44,320
Speaker 1: guy that's like, hey, do you want to come over

2107
01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:46,960
Speaker 1: and see my slides of my vacation. Nobody cares about that.

2108
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:49,080
Speaker 1: I get it. Nobody cares about the vacation. I get

2109
01:49:49,080 --> 01:49:53,320
Speaker 1: that for the most part as well. But the Olympic

2110
01:49:53,400 --> 01:49:57,080
Speaker 1: Village in Munich was you know, I mean it was.

2111
01:49:57,240 --> 01:50:02,240
Speaker 1: It was the the famous photo of the seventy two

2112
01:50:02,240 --> 01:50:05,519
Speaker 1: Olympic Games of the Palestinian Terrace that is standing on

2113
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:10,400
Speaker 1: the balcony of the Israeli Olympic Village. That building is

2114
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:12,639
Speaker 1: still there and it's right in the shadows of where

2115
01:50:12,640 --> 01:50:16,599
Speaker 1: the memorial is and that was surreal to see that.

2116
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:23,360
Speaker 1: But I wanted to share this, and I appreciate if

2117
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:25,840
Speaker 1: you can lend me your ear on it, because I

2118
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:30,519
Speaker 1: felt it was important. When I was planning the trip,

2119
01:50:30,640 --> 01:50:33,559
Speaker 1: Shannon is a travel agent and she said, you know what, Jake,

2120
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:36,320
Speaker 1: we should fly back from Munich as opposed to Vienna,

2121
01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:39,960
Speaker 1: because in case a flight gets delayed or canceled or whatever,

2122
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:42,400
Speaker 1: there are more flights out of Munich and more direct

2123
01:50:42,439 --> 01:50:45,280
Speaker 1: flights to the US, it would be there's less chance

2124
01:50:45,400 --> 01:50:48,639
Speaker 1: of error flying back from Munich. So I said, okay, fine.

2125
01:50:48,680 --> 01:50:51,280
Speaker 1: So I knew that we were going to be in

2126
01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:52,880
Speaker 1: Munich and go there for two days. We got to

2127
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:55,519
Speaker 1: Munich on Sunday evening. Of course, if you're going to

2128
01:50:55,560 --> 01:50:57,840
Speaker 1: spend an evening in Munich, you've got I had never

2129
01:50:57,840 --> 01:51:01,120
Speaker 1: been to Munich. I was highly impressed with the city.

2130
01:51:01,120 --> 01:51:04,040
Speaker 1: It was beautiful, spotlessly clean, people were friendly, I mean,

2131
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:07,639
Speaker 1: everything about it was great. So we went from our

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Speaker 1: hotel to the Hofbrouse House. I hope I'm saying that correctly,

2133
01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:15,160
Speaker 1: which is the famous beer hal in Germany. And we

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01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:17,320
Speaker 1: got a cab and we get in the cab. Not

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01:51:17,439 --> 01:51:19,559
Speaker 1: the place where she got Beard Dump Hunner right, Not

2136
01:51:19,680 --> 01:51:21,559
Speaker 1: the place where the beer dump Unter was in Vienna

2137
01:51:21,560 --> 01:51:25,720
Speaker 1: at a restaurant, correct, So we go to the Hawkbrs

2138
01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:29,000
Speaker 1: House or however you say that. But we get in

2139
01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:32,760
Speaker 1: the cab and we're we're cruising along. It's a Mercedes

2140
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:36,439
Speaker 1: station wagon cab by the way, and I looked down

2141
01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:41,080
Speaker 1: and I said, Shannon, I don't know. It says kilometers

2142
01:51:41,080 --> 01:51:43,200
Speaker 1: an hour, but we're doing two hundred and three. It

2143
01:51:43,240 --> 01:51:45,080
Speaker 1: was two hundred three or two hundred and five kilometers

2144
01:51:45,120 --> 01:51:46,840
Speaker 1: per hour, and I got up my phone and translated,

2145
01:51:47,200 --> 01:51:49,040
Speaker 1: and we were doing one hundred and twenty six miles

2146
01:51:49,040 --> 01:51:50,760
Speaker 1: per hour. And that's when I realized we were on

2147
01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:53,840
Speaker 1: the Autuba and it was the smoothest It was like

2148
01:51:54,040 --> 01:51:56,439
Speaker 1: driving down the straightaway of the Indianapois Motor Speedway. It

2149
01:51:56,479 --> 01:52:00,639
Speaker 1: was incredible. But the last day that we were there,

2150
01:52:02,160 --> 01:52:04,720
Speaker 1: and Shannon is the one when I mentioned that we were,

2151
01:52:04,840 --> 01:52:06,720
Speaker 1: you know, okay, fine, we'll fly out of Munich and

2152
01:52:06,760 --> 01:52:08,320
Speaker 1: so here's when we'll get there and whatever else. And

2153
01:52:08,360 --> 01:52:10,320
Speaker 1: I said, we'll have Monday to do whatever we want

2154
01:52:10,320 --> 01:52:16,120
Speaker 1: in Munich and she said, you know, Munich is like

2155
01:52:16,240 --> 01:52:19,920
Speaker 1: thirty minutes from Doacau and what I knew of Dacau

2156
01:52:20,160 --> 01:52:23,360
Speaker 1: is the concentration camp, the Doacout concentration camp from the

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01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:28,240
Speaker 1: Holocaust in World War Two. And I said, well, that

2158
01:52:28,280 --> 01:52:32,880
Speaker 1: would historically to me be significant to see. And she said,

2159
01:52:33,320 --> 01:52:35,040
Speaker 1: and I'll never forget this as long as I live.

2160
01:52:35,600 --> 01:52:38,720
Speaker 1: She said, I want to go there, and I think

2161
01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:41,920
Speaker 1: we need to go there, Jake, because it's our human responsibility.

2162
01:52:43,120 --> 01:52:47,680
Speaker 1: It's our human responsibility to go and see Docau and

2163
01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:49,760
Speaker 1: after all of the things that we had enjoyed and

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01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:54,840
Speaker 1: seen and celebrated on the trip, on Monday, we drove

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01:52:55,800 --> 01:52:58,679
Speaker 1: the thirty minutes or so to the Doacau Concentration Camp

2166
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:04,519
Speaker 1: memorial site and I put into my ways how to

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01:53:04,560 --> 01:53:09,920
Speaker 1: get there. It's literally like going from Indianapolis to you know,

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01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:12,439
Speaker 1: Frankfort probably. I mean, it's like thirty minutes outside of

2169
01:53:12,439 --> 01:53:16,160
Speaker 1: town Frankfort, Indiana. I mean, and I did not realize,

2170
01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:19,920
Speaker 1: and I apologize for my ignorance of this. I never

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01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:22,160
Speaker 1: knew that Dacau was actually the name of a town.

2172
01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:24,720
Speaker 1: I just assumed it was the name of the concentration camp. Well,

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01:53:24,760 --> 01:53:27,599
Speaker 1: it's a concentration camp that happens to be in the

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01:53:27,640 --> 01:53:31,519
Speaker 1: town of Dacau. So when I put it into my

2175
01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:34,760
Speaker 1: ways and I'm driving there in the rental car, and

2176
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:37,360
Speaker 1: I'm thinking this can't be right. And it takes me

2177
01:53:37,400 --> 01:53:40,679
Speaker 1: to this town that was a completely quaint and cute

2178
01:53:40,680 --> 01:53:44,639
Speaker 1: little village with chateaus, and I mean, it was gorgeous, Hilaria,

2179
01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:49,120
Speaker 1: and it says you've arrived, and I thought, well, oh,

2180
01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:51,400
Speaker 1: And then that's when it took me to the town itself,

2181
01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:54,840
Speaker 1: and I thought, well, how in the world can there

2182
01:53:54,880 --> 01:53:59,720
Speaker 1: be a concentration camp? This can't be right. And then

2183
01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:03,040
Speaker 1: I put in the memorial site and realized I was

2184
01:54:03,320 --> 01:54:05,559
Speaker 1: four tenths of a mile, four tenths of a mile

2185
01:54:05,680 --> 01:54:13,080
Speaker 1: from the epicenter of this beautiful village, and it seemed

2186
01:54:13,160 --> 01:54:17,240
Speaker 1: surreal to me. How can this camp be right here

2187
01:54:17,800 --> 01:54:20,120
Speaker 1: in the shadows of this quaint little town. And I

2188
01:54:20,120 --> 01:54:23,240
Speaker 1: didn't even realize that it was there. And then I

2189
01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:28,560
Speaker 1: realized the historical significance of that error, because during the Holocaust,

2190
01:54:28,600 --> 01:54:32,880
Speaker 1: that's how it was. Theoretically, you had this concentration camp

2191
01:54:32,920 --> 01:54:34,920
Speaker 1: on the other side of the walls that people didn't

2192
01:54:34,920 --> 01:54:38,560
Speaker 1: even know was there because they were lost and confused

2193
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:43,120
Speaker 1: and focused on their own misdirection. And that seemed fitting

2194
01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:47,240
Speaker 1: that it took me the wrong place. So we went

2195
01:54:47,360 --> 01:54:51,200
Speaker 1: and we parked, and it was forty degrees in cold

2196
01:54:51,320 --> 01:54:54,440
Speaker 1: rain when we got there, and that also seemed fitting,

2197
01:54:55,760 --> 01:54:59,840
Speaker 1: because just everything about being in adverse and less than

2198
01:55:00,040 --> 01:55:05,480
Speaker 1: ideal conditions almost seemed appropriate. But we got to the

2199
01:55:05,800 --> 01:55:10,200
Speaker 1: concentration camp and you can only imagine what it's like

2200
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:14,680
Speaker 1: to walk through the gate. And we did a self

2201
01:55:14,720 --> 01:55:17,200
Speaker 1: guided tour. Obviously, you can do tour guides in that

2202
01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:21,640
Speaker 1: kind of thing. But they have everything, you know, marked

2203
01:55:21,640 --> 01:55:28,280
Speaker 1: perfectly and very descriptive and explanatory and everything else. So

2204
01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:31,160
Speaker 1: we walked in and you know, you see the barracks

2205
01:55:31,640 --> 01:55:34,360
Speaker 1: and you see you know, you can very visibly see

2206
01:55:34,360 --> 01:55:38,360
Speaker 1: the railroad tracks and the concentration camp itself had formerly

2207
01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:42,640
Speaker 1: been a factory, and when the Nazis first took over

2208
01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:45,960
Speaker 1: the camp, it was simply a work a prisoner work

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01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:48,480
Speaker 1: camp where they were going to produce porcelain and be

2210
01:55:48,520 --> 01:55:50,760
Speaker 1: the world's leader in porcelain. And that was the the

2211
01:55:50,840 --> 01:55:53,880
Speaker 1: guys under which when the Red Cross or other people

2212
01:55:53,920 --> 01:55:56,440
Speaker 1: would come to check on what was going on there. Oh, well,

2213
01:55:56,480 --> 01:55:58,640
Speaker 1: this is just where we have prisoners working there. Okay,

2214
01:55:58,640 --> 01:56:00,560
Speaker 1: well that's fine. And this was in the early thirties,

2215
01:56:00,600 --> 01:56:03,920
Speaker 1: and then that escalated, of course into the concentration camp

2216
01:56:03,920 --> 01:56:06,520
Speaker 1: that it tragically became. And it was not to the

2217
01:56:06,560 --> 01:56:10,320
Speaker 1: level of Auschwitz or others, but you know, that's irrelevant.

2218
01:56:10,320 --> 01:56:13,800
Speaker 1: There were twelve hundred of these camps roughly throughout Europe.

2219
01:56:14,880 --> 01:56:20,760
Speaker 1: And when I went through and walked through the area,

2220
01:56:22,600 --> 01:56:26,720
Speaker 1: you go into the gas chamber, and you walk into

2221
01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:31,160
Speaker 1: the gas chamber and you can still see on the

2222
01:56:31,160 --> 01:56:33,720
Speaker 1: wall the spigots where people thought that they were going

2223
01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:36,200
Speaker 1: to be taking a shower. You can still see the

2224
01:56:36,200 --> 01:56:39,760
Speaker 1: areas where they pushed in the canisters of gas. And

2225
01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:44,640
Speaker 1: then adjacent to that you go into the crematorium, and

2226
01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:47,240
Speaker 1: then when you leave there, you go into the memorial

2227
01:56:47,320 --> 01:56:50,480
Speaker 1: that is the mass grave sites of those that were

2228
01:56:50,520 --> 01:56:54,840
Speaker 1: lost in the Holocaust. Many because they were Jewish, many

2229
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:57,960
Speaker 1: because they were Russian, many because they were Gypsies. You

2230
01:56:57,960 --> 01:57:02,000
Speaker 1: know a number of different all totally obviously invalid and

2231
01:57:02,120 --> 01:57:09,480
Speaker 1: absurd reasoning in this atrocity against humanity within our history.

2232
01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:12,360
Speaker 1: But as I was looking at it, and then I

2233
01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:14,280
Speaker 1: turned around at one point to Shannon, and I said,

2234
01:57:14,280 --> 01:57:16,520
Speaker 1: do you realize that when you moved to Denver when

2235
01:57:16,520 --> 01:57:20,080
Speaker 1: you were a kid, that was only thirty, you know,

2236
01:57:20,080 --> 01:57:22,440
Speaker 1: a little over thirty years removed from when this was

2237
01:57:22,480 --> 01:57:25,080
Speaker 1: all happening. And you realize then how recent a history

2238
01:57:25,080 --> 01:57:29,080
Speaker 1: this is, even though it's it feels so far away,

2239
01:57:29,160 --> 01:57:32,000
Speaker 1: but yet it doesn't in many aspects. And as I

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01:57:32,040 --> 01:57:34,400
Speaker 1: was sitting in the gas chamber and I was reading

2241
01:57:34,920 --> 01:57:38,760
Speaker 1: the placard, there was one other person that was in

2242
01:57:38,800 --> 01:57:42,120
Speaker 1: the room. Shannon was off, you know, in a different area,

2243
01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:45,840
Speaker 1: but there was one guy reading it. Also, I didn't

2244
01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:48,360
Speaker 1: know him. He was a little bit younger than I,

2245
01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:53,000
Speaker 1: and I'm guessing he was German or Dutch. But when

2246
01:57:53,040 --> 01:57:56,000
Speaker 1: we were reading the placard, I don't know how to

2247
01:57:56,040 --> 01:58:00,160
Speaker 1: explain this or describe it, but I literally wanted to

2248
01:58:00,160 --> 01:58:02,920
Speaker 1: turn around and hug this guy. I didn't know him,

2249
01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:07,520
Speaker 1: but I in that moment, what I was experiencing, what

2250
01:58:07,560 --> 01:58:09,800
Speaker 1: I was feeling, the power, the grip of all of it.

2251
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:11,680
Speaker 1: There was only one other person on earth in that

2252
01:58:11,800 --> 01:58:14,240
Speaker 1: moment that could relate to or feel exactly what I

2253
01:58:14,320 --> 01:58:16,480
Speaker 1: was feeling, because he was standing right next to me.

2254
01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:19,200
Speaker 1: And you know that when you're standing there, it is

2255
01:58:19,240 --> 01:58:22,680
Speaker 1: impossible as a human to not have the same moment,

2256
01:58:22,840 --> 01:58:27,040
Speaker 1: the same experience. And even though this was someone that

2257
01:58:27,080 --> 01:58:30,760
Speaker 1: doesn't speak my same language, that has no similarity in

2258
01:58:30,760 --> 01:58:34,160
Speaker 1: my background, that has no idea who the cults probably are,

2259
01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:38,160
Speaker 1: in that moment, we shared one common thing, and that

2260
01:58:38,280 --> 01:58:42,360
Speaker 1: is that we were both human beings, and the fact

2261
01:58:42,440 --> 01:58:44,920
Speaker 1: that this was a place that recognized that there was

2262
01:58:44,960 --> 01:58:48,280
Speaker 1: a time and a place in this world where people

2263
01:58:48,440 --> 01:58:51,040
Speaker 1: didn't understand that there can be that common ground no

2264
01:58:51,040 --> 01:58:54,320
Speaker 1: matter what your differences and backgrounds are was an extremely

2265
01:58:54,400 --> 01:58:58,240
Speaker 1: powerful moment, and as I went through it, and we

2266
01:58:58,240 --> 01:59:00,160
Speaker 1: were there for probably three to three and a half

2267
01:59:00,240 --> 01:59:02,840
Speaker 1: hours and read the placards and looked at the photos

2268
01:59:03,000 --> 01:59:08,800
Speaker 1: and grasped and absorbed that on a dreary, rainy day

2269
01:59:08,840 --> 01:59:11,960
Speaker 1: we were able to leave, we were able to leave,

2270
01:59:13,040 --> 01:59:18,120
Speaker 1: and all I could think about was Shannon saying that

2271
01:59:18,360 --> 01:59:23,320
Speaker 1: going there was our human responsibility, and in doing so,

2272
01:59:23,440 --> 01:59:26,120
Speaker 1: all I could think to myself when we left is

2273
01:59:26,160 --> 01:59:29,000
Speaker 1: that we never again should allow any group of people,

2274
01:59:29,720 --> 01:59:33,160
Speaker 1: or any individual to again, ever in this world, be

2275
01:59:33,320 --> 01:59:38,280
Speaker 1: marginalized because they're different, and an understanding and a grasp

2276
01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:41,880
Speaker 1: of that is in fact our human responsibility. And it

2277
01:59:41,960 --> 01:59:44,360
Speaker 1: was a very very powerful thing. And if you are

2278
01:59:44,480 --> 01:59:48,160
Speaker 1: ever in a situation where you have the ability to

2279
01:59:48,240 --> 01:59:51,800
Speaker 1: go and visit one of those sites, I think, in

2280
01:59:51,800 --> 01:59:54,760
Speaker 1: fact it is exactly that we'll come back. J and

2281
01:59:54,800 --> 01:59:56,120
Speaker 1: B will join us. We'll find out what he's got

2282
01:59:56,200 --> 01:59:58,400
Speaker 1: lined up on the big show as part of the crossover,

2283
01:59:58,440 --> 02:00:00,960
Speaker 1: and we'll do it next. By the way, Pacers in

2284
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:04,000
Speaker 1: Action tonight, Eddie, they are taking on the Charlotte Hornets.

2285
02:00:04,040 --> 02:00:05,560
Speaker 1: You will be working that broadcast right.

2286
02:00:05,480 --> 02:00:08,880
Speaker 2: Correct six thirty pre game with Pat Boiling Mark Boyle,

2287
02:00:09,040 --> 02:00:12,000
Speaker 2: Eddie Gill seven o'clock and then the World's Greatest post

2288
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:13,920
Speaker 2: game Show after with Eddie White.

2289
02:00:15,680 --> 02:00:18,920
Speaker 1: The we have tickets to give away, correct, we do. Indeed,

2290
02:00:19,080 --> 02:00:20,960
Speaker 1: Big Ten fan Fest this is going to be a

2291
02:00:20,960 --> 02:00:23,560
Speaker 1: week from Friday for the Big Ten Championship. It is awesome.

2292
02:00:23,600 --> 02:00:25,600
Speaker 1: You go there. They have all kinds of stuff displayed

2293
02:00:25,680 --> 02:00:28,880
Speaker 1: for the Big Ten schools. Typically they have the Heisman

2294
02:00:28,960 --> 02:00:32,600
Speaker 1: trophies that other Big Ten performers have won.

2295
02:00:32,760 --> 02:00:35,480
Speaker 2: Tons found on the producer here. It's a week from

2296
02:00:35,600 --> 02:00:40,360
Speaker 2: Black Friday, so two weeks December the fifth. Is that Okay,

2297
02:00:40,360 --> 02:00:42,520
Speaker 2: that's right, that's right, Yeah, technical foul on the producer.

2298
02:00:42,640 --> 02:00:44,400
Speaker 1: My days are all now, that's on me. My days

2299
02:00:44,440 --> 02:00:46,680
Speaker 1: are all confused either way, though, I think everybody knows.

2300
02:00:46,680 --> 02:00:49,640
Speaker 1: December sixth that is the Big Ten title game. It

2301
02:00:49,800 --> 02:00:51,920
Speaker 1: looks like it's going to be a collision course between

2302
02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:54,800
Speaker 1: Indiana and Ohio State. We shall see whether or not

2303
02:00:54,840 --> 02:00:57,680
Speaker 1: that comes to fruition, but Indiana will be playing Louisville

2304
02:00:57,720 --> 02:01:00,680
Speaker 1: at Gambridge Field House on December sixth, Big Title game

2305
02:01:01,000 --> 02:01:03,880
Speaker 1: that night at Lucas Oil Stadium. So the day before that,

2306
02:01:03,960 --> 02:01:07,800
Speaker 1: on Friday, a week from Black Friday, available from three

2307
02:01:07,880 --> 02:01:09,840
Speaker 1: until nine o'clock the Big ten fan Fest. We have

2308
02:01:09,920 --> 02:01:12,160
Speaker 1: a four pack to give away for you to go through.

2309
02:01:12,720 --> 02:01:14,560
Speaker 1: It is tons of fun. Usually the Big ten Network

2310
02:01:14,600 --> 02:01:18,160
Speaker 1: is broadcasting live there. They have all kinds of displays,

2311
02:01:18,240 --> 02:01:20,200
Speaker 1: celebrating and it's going to be a big one, especially

2312
02:01:20,240 --> 02:01:22,600
Speaker 1: if it's Indiana and Ohio State. How are we in

2313
02:01:22,640 --> 02:01:24,200
Speaker 1: what fashion are we giving away the tickets?

2314
02:01:24,200 --> 02:01:24,440
Speaker 7: Ay?

2315
02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:26,160
Speaker 2: There are four pack of tickets. I don't know if

2316
02:01:26,160 --> 02:01:27,800
Speaker 2: you said that or app but you want to do

2317
02:01:27,880 --> 02:01:31,360
Speaker 2: caller number four, two and four. We could do that,

2318
02:01:31,480 --> 02:01:34,400
Speaker 2: all right, Yeah, caller two and four. So if you were,

2319
02:01:34,480 --> 02:01:36,360
Speaker 2: if you're still listening to the show at this point,

2320
02:01:37,040 --> 02:01:37,720
Speaker 2: callers two.

2321
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Speaker 1: And four, we will give you. Well, I'll tell you

2322
02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:46,920
Speaker 1: the Pacers game tonight and Charlotte. Interesting because last year

2323
02:01:48,240 --> 02:01:52,720
Speaker 1: the Pacers, you know, the Hornets, were like the one

2324
02:01:52,760 --> 02:01:54,920
Speaker 1: team early in the year that the Pacers just could

2325
02:01:54,960 --> 02:01:59,480
Speaker 1: not get a stranglehold on. And I realize now that Indiana,

2326
02:02:00,480 --> 02:02:02,760
Speaker 1: the way that the season has gone, I mean, whoever

2327
02:02:02,760 --> 02:02:04,400
Speaker 1: would have thought it would be like this. I mentioned

2328
02:02:04,400 --> 02:02:09,440
Speaker 1: earlier that when when I was coming home yesterday, the

2329
02:02:09,520 --> 02:02:13,480
Speaker 1: flight that I took leaving Munich, Germany, they said, like, oh, folks,

2330
02:02:13,520 --> 02:02:15,560
Speaker 1: it's going to be a smooth ride. You know, sit back,

2331
02:02:15,600 --> 02:02:18,680
Speaker 1: relax and you know, watch a movie. No problems. We

2332
02:02:18,720 --> 02:02:23,800
Speaker 1: have no signs of turbulence ahead. And about halfway through

2333
02:02:23,800 --> 02:02:27,000
Speaker 1: the flight, the bump started coming and before you know it,

2334
02:02:27,000 --> 02:02:29,160
Speaker 1: it was like a free roller coaster ride over the ocean,

2335
02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:32,480
Speaker 1: and you thought it was going to be smooth sailing,

2336
02:02:32,760 --> 02:02:35,120
Speaker 1: and it was bumpy as all could get out, And

2337
02:02:35,160 --> 02:02:39,000
Speaker 1: that kind of feels like the Pacer season. Yes, without Halliburton,

2338
02:02:39,040 --> 02:02:40,280
Speaker 1: you knew that were going to be there was going

2339
02:02:40,360 --> 02:02:43,920
Speaker 1: to be a bump to begin, but certainly not like

2340
02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:45,880
Speaker 1: to this level. And then the second flight I took

2341
02:02:45,880 --> 02:02:47,640
Speaker 1: from Indy to Charlotte, they warned us ahead of time

2342
02:02:47,640 --> 02:02:49,200
Speaker 1: it was going to be turbulent all the way through,

2343
02:02:49,960 --> 02:02:51,680
Speaker 1: and it was smooth sailing. I mean, we did not

2344
02:02:51,760 --> 02:02:53,200
Speaker 1: hit any at all. And that kind of feels like

2345
02:02:53,240 --> 02:02:55,080
Speaker 1: the cold season. You thought it was going to be bumpy.

2346
02:02:55,080 --> 02:02:56,520
Speaker 1: You thought it was going to be a rough ride,

2347
02:02:56,920 --> 02:02:59,640
Speaker 1: and it has not been by any stretch of the

2348
02:02:59,680 --> 02:03:02,879
Speaker 1: amag enation. JMV is a riot. He's got his Indiana

2349
02:03:02,920 --> 02:03:06,840
Speaker 1: state T shirt. Welcohim back, Falco, How did you rock? Amedeos.

2350
02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:09,360
Speaker 1: I did. We went to I went to Amadeus's residence.

2351
02:03:09,360 --> 02:03:11,680
Speaker 1: I saw where Amadeus was borne.

2352
02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:14,400
Speaker 9: Going to Falco's residents'd be cool.

2353
02:03:15,640 --> 02:03:17,360
Speaker 1: He just didn't. He just pass away Falcon.

2354
02:03:17,480 --> 02:03:17,840
Speaker 5: He's dead.

2355
02:03:17,920 --> 02:03:19,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't know when it was, but I know

2356
02:03:19,640 --> 02:03:20,120
Speaker 9: he's dead.

2357
02:03:21,160 --> 02:03:24,680
Speaker 1: Dust Commerce Are wasn't his other big hit. It was?

2358
02:03:24,840 --> 02:03:26,760
Speaker 9: It was, and then they had to americanize it and

2359
02:03:26,800 --> 02:03:28,520
Speaker 9: put out the fire in there.

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02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:32,320
Speaker 1: Correct, you got a big show lined up, right, got a.

2361
02:03:32,280 --> 02:03:34,960
Speaker 9: Big show line, a lot of hoop today. You get

2362
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:40,120
Speaker 9: the reference. If you loved Merle Harmon's Fan Fair, you'll

2363
02:03:40,160 --> 02:03:43,080
Speaker 9: love this show. I did love Merl Harmon's I did too.

2364
02:03:43,240 --> 02:03:47,640
Speaker 9: Did you ever know Dave Gentry? Dave Gentry worked Evans,

2365
02:03:47,640 --> 02:03:50,560
Speaker 9: Brian Evans would know him. Gentry worked. He ran the

2366
02:03:50,560 --> 02:03:53,760
Speaker 9: big red gift shop inside Assembly Hall for years, but

2367
02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:55,879
Speaker 9: before that he was the manager of the Merl Harmon's

2368
02:03:55,880 --> 02:03:58,920
Speaker 9: fan in the mall, in the college mall, Merl Harmon's

2369
02:03:58,920 --> 02:04:01,440
Speaker 9: Fan Fair. I had a friend of mine that used

2370
02:04:01,440 --> 02:04:04,400
Speaker 9: to get he was He worked at Otis Elevator right

2371
02:04:04,440 --> 02:04:06,400
Speaker 9: out of high school. That had, you know, a lot

2372
02:04:06,400 --> 02:04:10,080
Speaker 9: of money and just spent it just what just on

2373
02:04:10,240 --> 02:04:13,080
Speaker 9: and he bought all these different jerseys. He brought a

2374
02:04:13,400 --> 02:04:17,600
Speaker 9: Tom Brunansky Cardinals jersey, this is you know one had made,

2375
02:04:17,800 --> 02:04:21,480
Speaker 9: but the best one Greg Jefferies. The Mets. He got

2376
02:04:21,480 --> 02:04:24,600
Speaker 9: a Greg Jefferies jersey, but they spelled the last name.

2377
02:04:27,920 --> 02:04:31,240
Speaker 9: So he ran around with Greg Jefferies' name spelled.

2378
02:04:31,680 --> 02:04:34,040
Speaker 1: Do you remember Greg Jeffers' rookie card. People were like, man,

2379
02:04:34,040 --> 02:04:35,760
Speaker 1: hold out of this rookie card. This guy is gonna

2380
02:04:35,760 --> 02:04:38,680
Speaker 1: be he was. Greg Jefferies and JD. Drew are two

2381
02:04:38,760 --> 02:04:40,640
Speaker 1: guys when they entered the league. It was both of

2382
02:04:40,680 --> 02:04:41,800
Speaker 1: them were like they were going to be the next

2383
02:04:41,800 --> 02:04:42,320
Speaker 1: Mickey Mantle.

2384
02:04:42,400 --> 02:04:44,560
Speaker 9: Well, it's funny. Is my friend Andy Harper And he

2385
02:04:44,640 --> 02:04:47,160
Speaker 9: was notorious for getting jerseys of players and then a

2386
02:04:47,160 --> 02:04:51,760
Speaker 9: month later that get traded single time. Tom Brnansky Twins Cardinals,

2387
02:04:51,920 --> 02:04:55,400
Speaker 9: Greg Jefferies Mets, Tigers. I had a buddy bond to

2388
02:04:55,480 --> 02:04:56,000
Speaker 9: the Giants.

2389
02:04:56,000 --> 02:04:58,120
Speaker 1: I had a buddy that paid for a custom made

2390
02:04:58,160 --> 02:05:00,440
Speaker 1: Arnold Mickens Colts jersey and like two day after he

2391
02:05:00,480 --> 02:05:02,880
Speaker 1: got it, Mickings got released. That's the only That's the

2392
02:05:02,920 --> 02:05:06,040
Speaker 1: thing with jerseys, man, I mean, you just there's it's

2393
02:05:06,360 --> 02:05:08,520
Speaker 1: it's a tough deal because then you're stuck with it.

2394
02:05:08,600 --> 02:05:08,800
Speaker 5: Right.

2395
02:05:09,040 --> 02:05:10,560
Speaker 9: Did you guys have a good time over there?

2396
02:05:10,560 --> 02:05:12,760
Speaker 1: It's great, not bad. The weather was not great, but

2397
02:05:12,800 --> 02:05:14,560
Speaker 1: it was great, man, and I appreciate you.

2398
02:05:14,480 --> 02:05:17,800
Speaker 9: You guys going into disco texts like the Brockets.

2399
02:05:19,080 --> 02:05:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. Munich was cool. And I got to

2400
02:05:21,240 --> 02:05:22,760
Speaker 1: ride on the Audobonn. That was the best thing about it.

2401
02:05:22,800 --> 02:05:24,200
Speaker 1: One hundred and twenty six miles an hour in a

2402
02:05:24,240 --> 02:05:24,960
Speaker 1: cab on the Audobonn.

2403
02:05:25,040 --> 02:05:26,280
Speaker 9: Is Shannon listening right now?

2404
02:05:27,080 --> 02:05:28,400
Speaker 1: I don't know that she knows what I do for

2405
02:05:28,440 --> 02:05:28,800
Speaker 1: a living.

2406
02:05:29,200 --> 02:05:31,720
Speaker 9: How much actually, how much smoke was over there?

2407
02:05:31,760 --> 02:05:32,080
Speaker 5: Buddy?

2408
02:05:34,120 --> 02:05:38,440
Speaker 1: You know what. We went to broad A Slava Slovakia

2409
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:42,200
Speaker 1: oh formery and smoke the former Czech Republic. But it

2410
02:05:42,320 --> 02:05:45,240
Speaker 1: was like forty five and so foggy out. I couldn't

2411
02:05:45,240 --> 02:05:47,480
Speaker 1: see anything. You couldn't see eight feet front of you,

2412
02:05:47,520 --> 02:05:49,480
Speaker 1: so I could have been It looked like smoke all around,

2413
02:05:49,520 --> 02:05:50,120
Speaker 1: but it was fogged.

2414
02:05:50,160 --> 02:05:51,800
Speaker 9: I just didn't know if they're really hot chicks. And

2415
02:05:51,840 --> 02:05:54,400
Speaker 9: they all smoked like carton a cigarettes a day. The

2416
02:05:54,800 --> 02:05:58,760
Speaker 9: airport there, like every twenty feet in the Munich airport was.

2417
02:05:58,680 --> 02:06:02,440
Speaker 1: A camel smoking, so there was smoke, just not the

2418
02:06:02,520 --> 02:06:05,560
Speaker 1: variation that you think. Man, but that was you asked

2419
02:06:05,600 --> 02:06:08,840
Speaker 1: if Shannon's listening. Uh no, she doesn't start listening until

2420
02:06:08,880 --> 02:06:09,680
Speaker 1: five minutes from now.

2421
02:06:09,720 --> 02:06:09,920
Speaker 5: Three.

2422
02:06:10,280 --> 02:06:13,000
Speaker 1: She's locked in. That's why she's completely locked in at

2423
02:06:13,000 --> 02:06:13,520
Speaker 1: three o'clock.

2424
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:15,480
Speaker 9: Are you guys going to this game later off tonight?

2425
02:06:15,560 --> 02:06:18,920
Speaker 1: I am going tonight. Yep, I'm going tonight. Pacers and Hornets.

2426
02:06:19,200 --> 02:06:20,800
Speaker 1: Have you guys been down on level two of the

2427
02:06:20,840 --> 02:06:21,600
Speaker 1: parking garage here?

2428
02:06:22,400 --> 02:06:22,680
Speaker 5: Have you?

2429
02:06:23,360 --> 02:06:25,080
Speaker 9: Do you think that any of that sewage down there

2430
02:06:25,120 --> 02:06:26,880
Speaker 9: is coming from the Conrad? Do you think that's anything

2431
02:06:26,880 --> 02:06:29,760
Speaker 9: floating around that the Hornets left and the Conrad.

2432
02:06:31,280 --> 02:06:33,120
Speaker 1: Put it on eBay?

2433
02:06:34,040 --> 02:06:39,600
Speaker 9: Hey, there's Lamello that he's getting flooded down there? Hey,

2434
02:06:39,600 --> 02:06:42,280
Speaker 9: what was that stallone movie in the nineties down there?

2435
02:06:43,520 --> 02:06:45,360
Speaker 9: What was that stallone movie in the nineties with a

2436
02:06:45,440 --> 02:06:49,720
Speaker 9: tunnel flooded? There was a stallone movie, right, the tunnel

2437
02:06:49,720 --> 02:06:53,480
Speaker 9: flooded and like the Lincoln Tunnel flooded. Nobody, no, nobody,

2438
02:06:53,520 --> 02:06:57,720
Speaker 9: hold on, hold on, curios. That's kind of what it's

2439
02:06:57,720 --> 02:06:59,040
Speaker 9: looking like. Don don't go down there.

2440
02:06:59,560 --> 02:06:59,840
Speaker 1: Frame.

2441
02:07:00,040 --> 02:07:03,280
Speaker 9: But Todd Meyer was telling me that, and I go, man,

2442
02:07:03,280 --> 02:07:05,919
Speaker 9: I don't venture down there. There's probably some light trolls

2443
02:07:05,960 --> 02:07:10,560
Speaker 9: and stuff hanging out down there. Daylight James is on

2444
02:07:10,640 --> 02:07:13,640
Speaker 9: top of it. That's like the first nineties. Well done body,

2445
02:07:13,720 --> 02:07:17,480
Speaker 9: nineteen ninety six though nineteen ninety six, Well done everybody there.

2446
02:07:17,480 --> 02:07:19,120
Speaker 1: You go, all right, J and V's up next. We'll

2447
02:07:19,160 --> 02:07:20,920
Speaker 1: be back with you tomorrow at noon. Thanks for listening

2448
02:07:20,960 --> 02:07:21,720
Speaker 1: to Quarrying Company.