1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: The only way to bag a classy lady is to 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: give her two tickets to the Gun Show Monday Gun 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: Day with the stop calling your arms gun. 4 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: My name is Nigel. Jason Hammer is here also joining 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: us live in studio the Gun Guy Guy Ralford, host 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 2: of The Gun Guy Show Saturdays here on ninety three 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: WIBC Licensed Firearms Instructor, Second Amendment Attorney. I don't like 8 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 2: to start segments off like this, but this was man, 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 2: this Michigan church attack where people were worshiping Christ and 10 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 2: some guy rams is truck into the lobby and starts 11 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: opening fire, and the imagery of the church on fire, 12 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: engulfed in flames. Just kind of give us your overall assessment. 13 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was excited to come in and talk to 14 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 3: you guys about that. But let me as always sorry sponsoring, 15 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 3: no no, no problem that. 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But now 22 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Nige, and yeah, I mean this is something 23 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 3: that just it struck me in a couple of different ways. 24 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 3: One is that as we've seen now for a lot 25 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 3: of years, and it happens pretty much every year, happens repeatedly. 26 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 3: That is that when we are in church, when we 27 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 3: are worshiping, however we choose to worship. And I think 28 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 3: maybe that's just my perspective because I'm a Christian and 29 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 3: I go to a Christian church. I think we as 30 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 3: Christians in church are targets. And listen, I'm sure people 31 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: of other faiths certainly you know, we know our Viewish friends, 32 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 3: and you know they've been targets. And so I'm not 33 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 3: trying to say that's that. You know, that's unilateral by 34 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 3: any means, and obviously Muslims have even been unfairly targeted. 35 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 3: But I look at it and I said, you know, 36 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 3: it's been my approach to my own plans when I 37 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 3: go to worship with my family, is I did Sunday, 38 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 3: I'm always prepared to defend myself. I mean one hundred percent. 39 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I carry you an extra magazine 40 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 3: more than I usually do when I when I go 41 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 3: to church, and even when we're walking in, my wife 42 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 3: always asked me, it's funny, it's like a standing joke. Now. 43 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 3: She looked at me, she goes, you're packing, right, And 44 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 3: I wink at her and I said, of course I am. 45 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 3: And it's not that we're paranoid. It's not, you know, 46 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 3: we walk in there like we're afraid, like something's going 47 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 3: to happen. It's just that we know that, for whatever reason, 48 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 3: because people are crazy, people just don't like us because 49 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 3: of the way we worship, or or whom we worship, 50 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 3: that we are targets. And so I think we all 51 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: have to be ready to defend ourselves when we in 52 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,399 Speaker 3: fact go to worship. And this is just another example 53 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 3: of that. 54 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: Don't me jump in here real quick? Does that make 55 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: anybody else uncom comfortable? Like, because I'm sure you have 56 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,839 Speaker 1: people probably trolling you on Twitter after saying that, Oh, 57 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: you're so insecure you've got to carry a gun to church? 58 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: Why don't you just fight people? Rabble rabble? 59 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I've been dealing with that my whole adult life, right, 60 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 3: I mean, what are you afraid of? Why are you 61 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 3: used to insecure? You must not be able to fight. 62 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 3: You know, you must be insecure about your masculinity, you know, 63 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 3: because you carry a gun. And I'm sorry, I've been 64 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 3: laughing at those things for a long time. 65 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: To night, some guy coming into the worship center with 66 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 2: an AR fifteen. 67 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, three guys come in, you know where one guy 68 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 3: comes in, you know, six rows below where I'm sitting 69 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 3: in my in my church in the sanctuary, and start 70 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 3: shooting off with an AR fifteen. I'm gonna hold on 71 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: time out. Let let's go, let's go have a cage 72 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 3: match here while you know, while you voluntarily drop your gun. No, 73 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. At that point, he must be shot is 74 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: the way to deal with that. And that's why these 75 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 3: things always end. And in fact, in the shooting you 76 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: mentioned Nige, which you know, I've been thinking about since 77 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 3: it happened. What happened, and when responding police officers finally 78 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 3: shot the guy, then that ended. So unfortunately we don't 79 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 3: have police, you know, every time we turn around, we 80 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 3: don't have them right there. Often response times take you know, 81 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 3: in here, it sounds like it's amazingly fast. They said 82 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 3: they were first responders within thirty seconds of the nine 83 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 3: to one one call. Who were actually there at the church. 84 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 3: That's crazy fast, and still four people died and a 85 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 3: whole lot more people were injured. So I think you know, 86 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I've had the mentality for basically my whole, whole, 87 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 3: entire adult life. I'm my first responder. I'm my family's 88 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 3: first responder. I have to be equipped, I have to 89 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 3: be trained, and I have to have the capacity to 90 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 3: defend my family and my fellow worshippers. And frankly, that 91 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 3: applies about anywhere you go these days. 92 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: And I don't know what the laws are in Michigan 93 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: in regards to weapons and churches. Maybe you know. I 94 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: don't know, but I do know here in Indiana, I 95 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: bet you are a big part of making sure that 96 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: people could defend themselves. 97 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 3: Well, I fought hard for this. I did not write 98 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 3: this bill, but I fought for it for actually several sessions. 99 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 3: It was originally introduced by our friend Senator Jack Sandlin, 100 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:14,679 Speaker 3: who we just lost here last year, and it didn't 101 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 3: get through that year. We reintroduced it, and it was 102 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 3: a bill in twenty nineteen introduced by Representative Ben Smaltz. 103 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 3: Got lumped in with several other pro two way bills, 104 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 3: including my Self Defense Immunity Bill, but we finally got 105 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 3: passed in twenty nineteen what a lot of people call 106 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 3: the church carry Bill, And what this is is that, look, 107 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 3: there's never been a law in Indiana says you can't 108 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 3: carry a gun in church, but there has been a 109 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 3: law for a long time that says you can't have 110 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 3: a gun on school property. And school property is defined 111 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 3: as including anywhere that's on the same property. You're in 112 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 3: the same building with a school. 113 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: So all these parochial schools, yes, you know they back 114 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: in the day, you wouldn't be allowed to defend. 115 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 3: Yourself exactly if there's a licensed daycare in the basement 116 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 3: of your church, or they have an actual license school, 117 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 3: they're in the building or anywhere on the same grounds. 118 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 3: And to your point, how many Catholic churches have a 119 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 3: parochial school on the same grounds, you know, like all 120 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 3: of all of them, right, So it was illegal to 121 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 3: carry a gun there when you went to worship, even 122 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 3: though the school's closed, even though there's no kids in 123 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 3: the school, even though it's Sunday and they don't won't 124 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 3: show up again until Monday. It was illegal. It was 125 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 3: a felony. And so we fought hard and I testified, gosh, 126 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 3: probably eight to ten different times over different sessions to 127 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 3: get this done. And a lot of other people Ben Smaltz, 128 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 3: Jim Lucas originally, Jack Sandlin, me, Jerry Tore, a lot 129 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 3: of other people worked really hard to get that passed. 130 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 3: And so today, if you're going to a religious ceremony 131 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 3: or a worship service in Indiana at a house of worship, 132 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 3: even if it is legally school property, quote unquote, you 133 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 3: can legally carry there to defend yourself, your family, and 134 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 3: your fellow worshippers. And that's a big deal. I'm really 135 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 3: proud we got that done in twenty nineteen and that 136 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 3: separates us from a lot of other states. 137 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: Monday Gun Day with the gun Guy, Guy Ralford with 138 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: us here on the in Nigel Show. Guy Canada kind 139 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: of an interesting example of why no one should ever 140 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: trust a gun registration process. 141 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, no kidding. When we all saw this, it was 142 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 3: like it was in slow motion. It was a catastrophe 143 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 3: for Canadians that it was just inevitable from the beginning. 144 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 3: But there's been this progression of basically the entire eradication 145 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 3: of what we would call second Amendment rights here in America. Obviously, 146 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 3: they don't have a second Amendment in Canada, which is 147 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 3: something they're they're realizing the effects of right now. But 148 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 3: they've they've gone through this whole series of bands and 149 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 3: and they banned the sale, transfer, importation of so called 150 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 3: assault weapons. And this is basically a semi automatic rifle 151 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 3: with a detachable magazine, a semi automatic shotgun, a semi 152 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 3: automatic pistol if it has certain features that they label 153 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 3: as ultra scary in Canada, which is a lot. And 154 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 3: so they originally banned sale, importation, transfer, and then they said, well, 155 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 3: we also if you're going to keep yours, you can't 156 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: transfer it and you can't buy any more. But if 157 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 3: you're going to keep yours, you have to register it. 158 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 3: What if we always say about registration, Registration is step 159 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 3: one of a confiscation scheme. We've seen it over and over. 160 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 3: We've seen it in places like Connecticut and Maryland, and 161 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 3: that's what's going on in Canada right now. They said, well, 162 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 3: you got to register it, but oh, don't worry. It 163 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 3: just means you're a lawful owner and we need to 164 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 3: know who you are. And you had to go through 165 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 3: this whole licensing process, pass background check, okay, which you 166 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 3: also had to do to buy the gun to begin with. 167 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 3: But okay, well, now guess what's happening. They have what 168 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 3: they're calling a voluntary buyback program. However, the so called 169 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 3: voluntary buyback program says, well, you need to turn it in. 170 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 3: If you properly registered your gun, you're eligible for some compensation. 171 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 3: Everybody's going, okay, well, you're saying it's voluntary. What happens 172 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 3: if we don't turn them in? And they're all like, well, 173 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 3: or you're going. 174 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: To go to prison, So it's not voluntary. 175 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 3: Noo, it's going to be told right, And they're bumbling 176 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 3: this horribly. And they're actually launching kind of a pilot 177 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 3: program for this buy back confiscation scheme in Nova Scotia. 178 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 3: They're just gonna kind of do a pilot scheme there. 179 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 3: They haven't defined particular dates, but at some point, if 180 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 3: you don't come in and voluntary relinquish your firearm to 181 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 3: the Canadian authorities, you're gonna be guilty of a crime 182 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 3: for which you can go to prison. And if they've 183 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 3: got a list of who has these registered and by 184 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 3: the way, who registered their so called assault weapons in 185 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 3: Canada with a law abiding citizens. He said, Wow, if 186 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 3: I want to stay on the right side of the law, 187 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 3: I better register this Who didn't register? 188 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: Bad guys who want to kill you? 189 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 3: Exactly. So, now the government has this so called buyback 190 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 3: program and at some point they're going to establish a deadline. 191 00:09:58,160 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 3: It says you have to have turned your gun in 192 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 3: if they have you on a list, on the registration list, 193 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 3: and they also haven't checked the box next to your 194 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 3: name and say you turn yours in and it's now 195 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 3: a crime to possess that gun. What do you think 196 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 3: is going to happen next? You don't think you're gonna 197 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 3: get a knock on the door. Of course, you are right. 198 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 3: It's you know, it's going to be the mountee and 199 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 3: the red uniform on the horse who's going to come 200 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 3: down and tell you you're going to jail. 201 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 2: And there's people in this country that would love to 202 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 2: see that implement. Yo. 203 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 3: Oh, And it's what do we we've heard about voluntary 204 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 3: buy back programs from oh yeah, from presidential candidates. Hillary 205 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 3: Clinton talked about it by by back program. 206 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: Ocahanas has been talking about this for years. 207 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 3: War you know, and of course we have Beto, Beta 208 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 3: Beto as I always call him, who's saying hell, yes, 209 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 3: we're going to come get your ar fifteen. And then 210 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 3: he backtracked on that and said, well, we're gonna have 211 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 3: a buyback program. What happens if people don't give him in, 212 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 3: you know, don't give them up, well then we're going 213 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 3: to come get them. Okay, Beta, So they're absolutely to 214 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 3: your point, notedge. You could not possibly be more correct. 215 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 3: There are people here who see this is a blueprint. 216 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 3: You know, our neighbors to the north. Okay, this is 217 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 3: exactly the road we need to go down. Guy. 218 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: If somebody has a question for you, if they want 219 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: to be trained by you in firearms or hire you 220 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: as their attorney, how can they find you? 221 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 3: I'd say, contact me through Twitter or X. Go on there, 222 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 3: give me a follow and send me a message on Twitter. 223 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 3: I'm just at Guy Relford on Twitter X. 224 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: Thirty seconds or less here because we're up against it. 225 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 3: Yep. 226 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: Did I see you on Facebook apologizing for the ad 227 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: Mitchell fumble? Did I see you on Facebook? Am I 228 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: justifying it? 229 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 3: No? No? See, now you're smarter than this. I know 230 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 3: you are not one of the knuckleheads who accused me 231 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 3: of doing that. No, I came on and I said, 232 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 3: this kid made two horrific and excusable mistakes the likely 233 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 3: cost us the game, right, I mean, there were other 234 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 3: things you can point to injunction, I said, But you 235 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 3: know what, I have no doubt how bad this kid's 236 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 3: beating himself up right now. I just don't feel the 237 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 3: need to pile on. So I'm not going to go 238 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 3: out on social media and whine and moan and complain 239 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 3: about what an idiot this guy is because I'm just 240 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 3: going to let him beat up on himself and I 241 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 3: think that's enough. I think he'll learn from that, just 242 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 3: like JT did hopefully last year. So no, I wasn't 243 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 3: apologizing for anything. 244 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: We've got two different parenting styles here. Guy is going 245 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: to play the guilt trip and make him worry about it, 246 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: and I'm going to do what my old man did 247 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: back in the day. 248 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 3: What the hell wrong with you? Well? Yeah, no, don't 249 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 3: you understand what an idiot you are? Understanding? Yes, I 250 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 3: know what an idiot I am. Well that's not enough. 251 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 3: I need to tell you what an idiot you are. No, 252 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 3: I didn't want to go down that road, but listen, 253 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 3: I'm still in mourning over that game. It still affected 254 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 3: me emotional, but I just don't feel the need to 255 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 3: pile on on a kid who I'm sure is beating 256 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 3: himself up. Pretty good guy, You're the best. 257 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: Thanks brother, Thanks guys. It's the Hammer and Nigel Show.