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Speaker 1: If you saw the sixty minutes piece on the Indiana

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Speaker 1: even though we followed the team very closely. It was

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Speaker 1: done by John Worth. I'm over at sixty minutes there

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Speaker 1: and he joins us now in the Payless Liquors Hotline

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Speaker 1: to tell us a little bit more about some of

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Speaker 1: the things he discovered found out and what was around

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Speaker 1: with Kurt Signetti and the guys this past couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: And good morning, John, thanks for being here. We appreciate your.

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Speaker 2: Time this morning, pleasure. How are you doing.

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Speaker 1: We're doing terrific. We got a team getting ready to

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Speaker 1: play in the college football Playoff that nobody saw coming

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Speaker 1: twenty four months ago. People are talking about this as

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Speaker 1: one of the greatest turnarounds, if not the greatest turnaround

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Speaker 2: What were your.

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Speaker 1: Thoughts going into Bloomington for that story and what were

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Speaker 3: I mean, I had sort of lived this failure. I'm

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Speaker 2: Sports pretty closely and was sort of.

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Speaker 3: Had lived this, and I guess I wanted to just

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Speaker 3: and people I grew up with, and you got to

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Speaker 3: great to watch. They've got this quarterback who's a super kid.

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Speaker 3: And then just sort of experiencing for myself seeing the

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Speaker 3: what a special season this is. Whoever thought we would

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Speaker 3: be in a position where, you know, if Indiana did

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Speaker 3: not win a national championship in football, it would carry

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Speaker 3: the sting of disappointment. I've been to plenty of games

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Speaker 3: where you wouldn't even go in from the tailgate because

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Speaker 3: by the end, you know, ten ten minutes into the game,

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Speaker 2: So this was a big, big turnaround.

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Speaker 4: John great great piece we played yesterday the audio of

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Speaker 4: Kurt Signetty kind of retelling maybe his first twenty four

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Speaker 4: the the utter disgust that he basically had, and how

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Speaker 4: people viewed the Indiana football program and that's honestly what

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Speaker 4: led to I think so much of the boisterous you

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Speaker 4: and so forth. That stood out to me. And then

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Speaker 4: you bring up Don Fisher. I thought Don had one

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Speaker 4: of the more just frankly intelligent comments about this turnaround,

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Speaker 4: specifically with the football team. You know, you as a

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Speaker 4: You've seen Indiana teams that have had you know, quarterbacks

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Speaker 4: and wideouts. But when Don brought up the offensive and

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Speaker 4: defensive lines, I think you just go back and you

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Speaker 4: watch that Big Ten championship game, and that's to me

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Speaker 4: where I've never seen the program at a championship level

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really good point. And some of us

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Speaker 3: was just I cast right. I mean, you could look

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Speaker 3: I mean, position players were never the issue. It was

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Speaker 3: just Indiana for years and years and nears getting beat

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Speaker 3: but half the motivation for Mellencamp donating that indoor training.

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Speaker 3: For part of it was about, yeah, they'd have an

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Speaker 2: You can be proud of.

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Speaker 3: I mean there's no kind of hey, feelings, we've got

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Speaker 3: Why did this take until twenty twenty five to be

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Speaker 5: When I look at this IU team, I mean last

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Speaker 5: Mendoza and his ability to take over for Curtis, and

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Speaker 5: he has only taken over very well. But he is

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Speaker 5: the first Heisman Trophy winner in IU history. So we

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Speaker 2: He's yeah, exactly. I mean, it's kind of this.

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Speaker 3: It also struck me they're very there's a big overlap

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you said in September first here the

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Speaker 3: is he on that list? Probably not so, I think

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Speaker 3: his journey really mirrors that of Indiana too, and I

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Speaker 3: think that's part of this story as well. Not a

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Speaker 3: really they've gotten some money, and they've gotten Cuban the

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Speaker 3: and I wonder if that isn't part of the story

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Speaker 1: the Fan Morning show, and John, one of things I

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Speaker 1: to know more about John Mellencamp's private, little Crow's nest

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's as much you know, he said this,

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Speaker 3: I don't think I'm violating any confidentiality that. I think

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, who knew that?

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Speaker 3: Above the premiere you sort of see this shackup of

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Speaker 2: Coordinator for IU. Who knew that?

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Speaker 3: You know, our our Grammy winning Hall of Fame local

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Speaker 3: This is not you know, some bandwagon fan who's now

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Speaker 3: So he's earned this as much as any lug suffering

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Speaker 4: John Warth, I'm certainly a legendary name when it comes

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Speaker 4: to journalism, business, sports journalism, and you saw the sixty

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Speaker 4: minutes piece with him on Indiana football on Sunday. John,

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Speaker 4: It's funny. A few weeks ago, I was talking to

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Speaker 4: we need to get try to get John on because

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Speaker 4: I thought you wrote an excellent, excellent piece a few

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Speaker 4: weeks back highlighting the nineteen seventy six Hoosiers and now

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Speaker 4: the fifty year anniversary that we are in of that

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Speaker 4: several different things that were a great, great read in there.

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Speaker 2: Oh I appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope these guys it's really funny. You're right,

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Speaker 3: That, but yeah, I mean it's been it's been fifty

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think part of.

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Speaker 3: It is just how extraordinary this this team was, how tough,

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Speaker 3: the success of the football team now isn't bringing some

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Speaker 2: You know, uh, well after he left.

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Speaker 3: I got the feeling that coach Sigg is sort of

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Speaker 4: Do you buy that, John, They walked out to Griffy

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Speaker 4: in order to be good at football. Could you appreciate that?

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Speaker 2: Maybe?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's a great analogy and a great reference. That's man,

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Speaker 3: I wish I thought of that. Yeah, I mean, I

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Speaker 3: And it's kind of like, you know, we do things

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Speaker 3: and accountability still matters, and in some ways this football

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Speaker 2: In some ways, that's the repudiation.

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Speaker 3: But it seems like the uh, you know, the tribe

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Speaker 2: But that's just that was just my fence on the ground.

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Speaker 4: Yes, No, I think it's really well said. Don Fisher

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Speaker 4: Querry every Monday, and I was listening to him a

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Speaker 4: has right now with Kurt signetying the football program is

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Speaker 4: as high of praise as you could ever garner for

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Speaker 4: skeptics like that. I mean, that's fandom and skepticism might

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Speaker 4: alone it being the Indiana University football program is just

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Speaker 2: That's that's that's well put.

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Speaker 3: And again, I mean I just you know, two years

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Speaker 3: it doesn't seem to be dependent on one star shock

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Speaker 3: goes to LSU. Okay, fine, but it doesn't. It seems

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Speaker 3: then we're going to go back to Indiana State nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 3: The speed of all this is part of the story too.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not sure you know Night Night was already

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Speaker 3: it's just it was. It was really fun to see again.

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Speaker 3: You you guys know the stun.

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Speaker 2: Them than I do.

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Speaker 3: But two years ago, I don't think anyone was thinking, boy,

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Speaker 3: if Indiana doesn't complete this undefeated season, it's going to

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Speaker 1: John, thanks for your time this morning. We appreciate it

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Speaker 1: more than you know. Great job on the piece this

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Speaker 1: past Sunday Night, and we look forward to seeing more

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Speaker 1: of your work in the future.

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Speaker 2: As always, you got it, I appreciate it. Go, who's

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Speaker 2: yours