1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: Live from ball Hartberd and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: Tony Katz Today. 3 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 2: That's right, it is Tony Kats Today. I am not 4 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: Tony Katz. I am Mike Coolidge, old radio friend of 5 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: Tony Cats. Tony Katz dot com is the website. Tony 6 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: CATS's X handle is Tony Katz. My ex handle is 7 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 2: Coolidge K O O L I D G E. I 8 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: occasionally watch Tony Kats Today on the old interwebs, sometimes 9 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: on YouTube, sometimes on Facebook, and he has a great 10 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: video feed of him smoking cigars and showing video clips, 11 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: often sometimes going to the White House live. I think 12 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: he did that yesterday. We're not on video here, so 13 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: you cannot see my extremely handsome mug, but if you 14 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 2: want to see what I look like, you know. I 15 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,919 Speaker 2: grew up listening to Rush Limbaugh. May he rest in peace. 16 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 2: I was a Rush baby late eighties, early nineties, started 17 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: really getting into him when he started blowing up, listening 18 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: to him all throughout college, listened to him really all 19 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 2: the way through his death in twenty twenty one. I 20 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 2: cannot believe he is no longer with us. But this 21 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: is the time slot in the middle of the day 22 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: every single day. I would listen to Rush, and he 23 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 2: became like a friend, even though I never met him 24 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 2: in person. I was in the same room with him twice, 25 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: but didn't ever shake his hand, didn't ever meet him, 26 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: but I felt like he was a friend. I myself 27 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 2: hosted my own radio show for about fifteen years regionally syndicated, 28 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 2: very similar to Tony Katz actually, and enjoyed it immensely. 29 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: And that's something I always tried to do, was develop 30 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 2: a friendship and a relationship with my listeners, even though 31 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 2: I never met most of them. I'd I'd meet them, 32 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: you know, in person on occasion when we'd have events 33 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: and we would do remotes. And I know Tony does 34 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: that kind of awesome stuff as well. So you've met 35 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: Tony many times, like me, I hope you have, but 36 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: many of you have not and will never, let's say, 37 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: but you still consider him a friend, you still consider 38 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 2: him a part of your life. That's something that is 39 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: special about radio, about over the air radio, which is 40 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,119 Speaker 2: what we're doing right now. This is not a podcast. 41 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,679 Speaker 2: Podcasting is great. I have a podcast. A lot of 42 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 2: people have podcasts, and I know that's like the new 43 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: thing everyone's doing. It's not an either either or, but 44 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 2: many podcasters, In fact, I would say most of the 45 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: biggest podcasters in the world have never been on or 46 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 2: have had a regular daily radio show over the air. 47 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 2: No Internet needed. Although a lot of you consume it 48 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: on the internet. You can listen to it in your car, 49 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: you can listen to it on your old transistor radio. 50 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: You have this habit of listening to the show every day, 51 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: and it's part of your life, and that's awesome. And 52 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: please the ads you hear during the breaks, please patronize 53 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: those businesses. Please buy the cigars that Tony you know, 54 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: promotes on his show. It's what makes this show free 55 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: for you and the person sitting next to you. If 56 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: you're so lucky enough to have a person sitting next 57 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 2: to you while that are listening to this radio show, 58 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 2: I will get into the arena Zarutska senseless, awful, tragic 59 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: murder that occurred in Charlotte, North Carolina, that the whole 60 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: world is talking about. We're going to get into it 61 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: later on this hour with our guest. If you listened 62 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 2: to the first hour, we had one of my old 63 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 2: radio friends similar to Tony Kats, Ellie Buffkin. This hour 64 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 2: We're going to talk later on with Mark Hemingway. Mark Hemingway, 65 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 2: who used to be a regular in my show. I 66 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: believe he's come on Tony's show as well, and he 67 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 2: is going to get into how the media has covered 68 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 2: this awful, senseless act. But I started the show talking 69 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 2: about how something's changed, and you kind of see it 70 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: in the town hall of the United States of America 71 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 2: known as X. Matt Walsh tweeted this last night, and 72 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 2: Elon Musk retweeted it with a simple one hundred. Here's 73 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 2: the post. This image, the image of Marina Zurutska who 74 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: was murdered by this animal. I'm gonna call him an animal. 75 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: He deserves no respect, he deserves no pronoun, he deserves 76 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 2: no description. And I'm not going to say his name either. 77 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: I don't think Tony does that. I believe he has 78 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 2: a rule about that too. I'm not going to do it, 79 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 2: but Tony, I'm sorry. Matt Walsh posted this, this image 80 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: of the woman crouching down in the seat after this 81 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: awful cretan, this miscreant stabbed her. This image will define 82 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 2: the new civil rights movement. We have a right to 83 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: use public accommodations without being butchered in our seats. We 84 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: have a right to safe communities where violent animals are 85 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 2: rounded up and caged. This is not just a local crime. 86 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 2: It's a civil rights issue. Yes, it is a civil 87 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: rights issue. There's a piece by Jenny Holland in Spiked 88 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: that strikes this cord as well. A toxic empathy with 89 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: miscreants and victim quote unquote groups has wrecked liberals moral compass. 90 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: In this piece titled why the media ignored the North 91 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 2: Carolina train murder, I'm going to read a section of it. 92 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 2: A brutal murder on a train in Charlotte, North Carolina 93 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:50,679 Speaker 2: has shocked social media users, but only it seemed, it seems, 94 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: those on the right. And that is because, despite the 95 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: horrific video of the attack on a defenseless young woman 96 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: going viral, much of the mainstream American media did not 97 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 2: deign to cover the story. Why I submit it is 98 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 2: because the perpetrator, a homeless, mentally ill African American man 99 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 2: with a history of repeat offending, belongs to one of 100 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 2: the liberal media's victim identity groups. He is therefore beyond 101 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 2: criticism or at the very least an awkward case to discuss. 102 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 2: Given he may well have been roaming the streets because 103 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: of the witless, soft on crime policies of today's liberals. Indeed, 104 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 2: in January, a North Carolina magistrate judge allowed Brown to 105 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 2: remain free on a written promise that he would return 106 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 2: for his next court appearance. According to The Daily Mail, 107 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: a written promise let free. The footage recorded on twenty 108 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 2: two August shows Arena Zarutska boarding a train in Charlotte 109 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 2: after finishing a shift at the pizzeria where she works. 110 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 2: She takes a seat in front of a man identified 111 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 2: as I'm not gonna say his name. Moments later, he 112 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: takes out a knife, stands up behind her, raises his 113 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 2: arm to attack as she sits with her back to him, 114 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 2: completely unaware. After he stabs her, Brown is then shown 115 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: walking down the aisle of the train, the perpetrator leaving 116 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 2: the trail of blood as he goes. Sirrutska died at 117 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 2: the scene. She was twenty three years old and had 118 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 2: fled Ukraine for safety in the US after the Russian 119 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 2: invasion in twenty twenty two. Sarutska's terrible and senseless murder 120 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 2: has further revealed just how divided the United States is 121 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: Liberal progressives and conservative right wingers are now not just 122 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 2: politically alienated from one, they also live in two separate realities, 123 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: with worldviews that are fed by two entirely different eco systems. 124 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 2: As many including Elon Musk, have commented on X, the 125 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 2: lack of coverage in the national papers stood in stark 126 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 2: contrast to the feverish reporting on similar incidents in which 127 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: the victim was black. I don't know how much similar 128 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: incidents there were, honestly to this where the victim was 129 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: black and the perpetrator was someone who is not the 130 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: same race. I mean, people immediately go to the Derek 131 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 2: Chauvin and George Floyd I hesitate to even I know 132 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: that he was convicted of murder, but when you delve 133 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 2: into the details of that, I don't think in my 134 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 2: opinion that that is personally what happened there. But that, 135 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: of course turned into an absolute fever in the United 136 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 2: States and turned into this insanity that resulted in stuff 137 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: like the Safety Act in the state that I happen 138 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: to make my home in Illinois. That leads to yes, 139 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 2: people like this perpetrator committing a violent act and going 140 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 2: to a judge and in a pre trial hearing. The 141 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 2: judge says, eh, you can stay out, you don't have 142 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: you need to have prechrial, can find, in other words, 143 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 2: jail and do you just promise to come back for 144 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: your trial. Sure? Well, in this case, the perpetrator of 145 00:10:49,720 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 2: this murder had fourteen prior convictions, not arrests convictions. He 146 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: was still out on the street. And you know this idea. 147 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 2: People have said, we need more policing. Yes we do. 148 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: We need to treat them mentally ill better, Yes we do, 149 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: I guess, but that's not what happened here. Policing wasn't 150 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 2: the problem here. The problem here was that this awful 151 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 2: animal was out on the streets when he should have 152 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 2: been in jail. We had reason to put him in 153 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 2: jail fourteen times, and a slack, witless, toothless judicial system 154 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 2: in North Carolina, specifically Charlotte, North Carolina, a Democrat run city, 155 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: decided to let him out, and Arena Zarutzka is no 156 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 2: longer alive because of that terribly awful, stupid decision. Back 157 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 2: to this piece. After days of social commentary, some mainstream 158 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: outlets did decide to cover the reaction to the event, 159 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: but not the event itself. They effectively dismissed the actual 160 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 2: murder as a crime story of local interest only. But 161 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 2: it wasn't just a local crime story. Zirutka's Zorutska's brutal 162 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 2: killing was notable for multiple reasons. It was caught on video. 163 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 2: She was a young refugee who came to America for 164 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 2: a better life, and her alleged attacker had over ten 165 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 2: prior convictions. I read it was fourteen, and that's accurate 166 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 2: to say he had over ten, but I read it 167 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 2: was up to fourteen, including assault, shoplifting, breaking and answering, 168 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 2: and a five year prison sentence for bank robbery. Furthermore, 169 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: it's now emerged at the judge who released him did 170 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 2: not have a law degree. Yeah, Jesse Waters had a 171 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 2: piece about this on his show. I think it was 172 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 2: the last night of the night before. She didn't have 173 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 2: a lot of degrees. She was literally a DEI like expert, 174 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 2: not just ad DEI hire, a DEI expert like. That 175 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 2: was her area of expertise, and she was a quote 176 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: unquote judge. It is perfectly fair to ask why this 177 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 2: man was free to do what he did. The mainstream 178 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 2: liberal media have dodged such questions by claiming the murder 179 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 2: is being politically and racially exploited. CNN played a clip 180 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 2: of conservative Trump supporter Charlie Kirk discussing the murder, with 181 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: a talking head noting archly that Kirk said white a lot. 182 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 2: A police in Politico said that President Donald Trump and 183 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 2: MAGA alliers are using the killing of Arena Zarutska to 184 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 2: attack Democrats. An Axiost published a piece with the headline 185 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 2: stabbing video fuels MAGA crime message. It asserted that Democrats 186 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: have accurately pointed out that violent crime rates have been 187 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: decreasing since pre pandemic high There they go again with 188 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 2: their little fact checks, which completely fail to separate the 189 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: forest from the trees. Zarutzka's murder has shown how liberal's 190 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:17,119 Speaker 2: toxic phony empathy leads to a lack of genuine empathy. 191 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 2: Charlotte's Democrat mayor vy Lyles gave a statement in which 192 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 2: he did not mention Zerudska by name. Quote, this is 193 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 2: a tragic situation that sheds light on problems with society, 194 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 2: safety nets related to mental health care and the systems 195 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: that should be in place. She said. We will never 196 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 2: arrest our way out of issues such as homelessness, and 197 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 2: mental health end quote. Some progressives even set up a 198 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 2: go fund Me for Zarutska's alleged killer to raise money 199 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 2: for his legal bills. It states that the killer was 200 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 2: just the victim of a pro conjudicial system. This response 201 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: is not a surprise. Time and again, Democrats and their 202 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 2: supporters have failed to condemn even the most vicious crimes. 203 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 2: If the perpetrator belongs to one of their special identity categories, 204 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: they will fail to condemn it. Just last month, Democrat 205 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 2: Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frye spoke about protecting the ahem trans 206 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 2: community after a young man who had been identified as 207 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: a trans woman killed two children as they were praying 208 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 2: inside a Catholic church and wounded countless others. It is 209 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 2: as if America's liberals think they must save each and 210 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 2: every miscreant if he or she belongs to a sacred 211 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 2: minority group, and not even the barbaric murder of an 212 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 2: innocent woman coming home from work will stand in their way. 213 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 2: That's Jenny Holland in Spiked Online, why the media ignored 214 00:15:53,960 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 2: the North Carolina train murderer. We were at back on 215 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 2: Tony Katz today. This is Mike Coolidge filling in for 216 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: Tony Katz. I'm at koo l a d ge on X. 217 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 2: Tony is at Tony Katz and of course go to 218 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 2: tonykatz dot com for more about Tony Katz Today. Stay 219 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: with us. We're back on the Tony Cats today. It's 220 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: not the Tony Cats today, It's Tony CAATs today. But 221 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: I am not Tony Kats. I am Mike Coolidge. I 222 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 2: used to have a radio program called the Michael Coolidge Show, 223 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 2: which is why I started at with the force of habit. 224 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 2: I ended my show, Gosh two short years ago to 225 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 2: run for Congress, and I was not successful in my 226 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 2: run for Congress. Who was the midterms of twenty twenty 227 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 2: two the red mid wave that was not And I, 228 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 2: rather than go back on the radio, continued to stay 229 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 2: and remain in politics. And I'm doing everything I can 230 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 2: to make this particular midterm election a red waive. That's 231 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 2: what I do for a living off the air, and 232 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 2: who knows, maybe I'll find my way back on the 233 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 2: air someday. But I do enjoy filling in for the 234 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 2: great Tony Kats. Tony and I go back Gosh at 235 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 2: least a decade, maybe more decade and a half met 236 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 2: at the first Sea Pack. I think he went to 237 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 2: twenty ten or so twenty eleven. Richard Dreyfus was there. Crazy, 238 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 2: crazy times. But Tony's an awesome guy, and I thank 239 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 2: you for listening to Tony Kats Today Today Today. Whoopy 240 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 2: Goldberg on the View said the following about, well, let's 241 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 2: just play the clip. 242 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 3: You know, look, oh young woman is dead. Let's take 243 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 3: that into mind, into consideration. And yes, a man who 244 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 3: should have been behind bars was loosen out. 245 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 2: Well, he listened. 246 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 3: He was a schizophrenic man. His mother begged them to 247 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 3: take him and put him away. So stop politicizing this. 248 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 3: This is not political. This has to do with how 249 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 3: we take care of our sick Americans when they are 250 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 3: in need. 251 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 2: What does that mean exactly? To politicize something? I mean, 252 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 2: was George Floyd's death politicized? What is politics anyway? It's 253 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 2: enacting policies, right, It's ultimately an acting enacting policy. This 254 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 2: is a phrase I used to say my sh other. 255 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 2: The most important thing about politics is policies. What policies 256 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 2: are enacted or removed that respect people's rights and are 257 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 2: for the betterment of societies. And there are terrible, terrible 258 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 2: policies in the city of Charlotte, in the city of Chicago, 259 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 2: the largest city in the Midwest, and where I happen 260 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 2: to live, you know, an hour away from that need 261 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 2: to change that, Yes, can prevent senseless, terrible, tragic murders 262 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 2: like that of Arena Zurutski from occurring. So yes, we 263 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 2: will absolutely continue to talk about it. Whoopee, so that 264 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 2: those policies can change. We'll We're back on Tony Katz 265 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 2: today with Mark Hemingway. This is Mike Coolidge. That's spelled 266 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 2: with a K. Don't go anywhere. We're back on Tony 267 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 2: Katz today. I am Mike Coolidge filling in for mister Katz. 268 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 2: You can reach Tony Katz of course at Tony Katz 269 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 2: on X or on Tony Katz dot com. I can 270 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: be reached at Coolidge Ko l I Dge. Our next 271 00:19:55,800 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 2: guest can be reached at Heminator h R on X. 272 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 2: Senior writer at Real Clear Investigations, the one and only 273 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 2: Mark Hemingway. Mark, Welcome back onto the radio airwaves of 274 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 2: the Midwest, United States. 275 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 4: Hey glad to hear you back on the air as well. 276 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 2: Yes, it's been a fun hour and a half or 277 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 2: so right smack dab in the middle of Tony Katz today. 278 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 2: And we've tried to try to lighten things up here 279 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 2: and there, but obviously the story that continues to dominate 280 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 2: the nation really is this terrible murder of Arena Zurutski 281 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 2: in Charlotte, North Carolina. And we covered some of the 282 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 2: policy aspects of it already and some of the terrible 283 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 2: policies that led to this even being able to occur, 284 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 2: like cashless fail. But I wanted to bring you on 285 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 2: to get your take on how the media has been 286 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 2: covering this or not been covering it. How do you 287 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 2: think of that that that that's been going more coming ways. 288 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 5: Well, it's pretty remarkable to the extent that the media 289 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 5: have covered it, and a lot of them have just 290 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 5: simply ignored it. I don't think you've seen anything about 291 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 5: it on the major television Networkshit or anything like that. 292 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 5: But you know from to the extent that cable news 293 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 5: and newspapers have covered it, you know CNN, you know 294 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 5: New York Times. 295 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 4: Politico, all of those. 296 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 5: All the way that those publications have covered it have 297 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 5: covered it from basically the exact same angle, which is 298 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 5: that this is a thing that once again that Republicans 299 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 5: are quote unquote seizing on or pouncing on or whatever, 300 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 5: and they are trying to use this tragedy, you know, 301 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 5: to you know, for political gain. And oh, by the way, 302 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 5: if you're noticing that crime is a problem, you might 303 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 5: be racist. I mean, it's kind of you know, it's 304 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 5: just follows sort of a predictable pattern of you know, 305 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 5: I think that there's a real sense out there now 306 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 5: that this is a politically crime has become a politically 307 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 5: potent issue. And when you think about how this killing 308 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 5: came on the back of you know, the crime surgeon 309 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 5: DC where you know, Trump called out the National Garden stuff. 310 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 5: The Democrats are really trying to make an issue out 311 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 5: of them, Well, this is looming fascism. The level of 312 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 5: crime doesn't really dictate any of this. And then all 313 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 5: of a sudden, this crime and Charlotte comes on. That's 314 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 5: so horrifying. You know, it seems to erase, you know, 315 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 5: any sort of argument that they were trying to make, 316 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 5: so they're desperate. 317 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 4: To make this go away. 318 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 2: It's so sad, and to keep hearing people. We played 319 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 2: a clip before he came on of whoope Goldberg whining 320 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 2: on the view about how this is political, like why 321 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 2: are people trying to politicize this? Literally, every single news 322 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 2: event that occurs, the media, the left, the Democrats like it, 323 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 2: everything is looked at through a political lens, like, how 324 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 2: does this help Democrats? Well, if it doesn't help democrats, 325 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 2: we're just not going to report on it. And if 326 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 2: it gets to a place where we just have to 327 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 2: report on it because the presidents, let's say, talking about it, 328 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 2: or it's become such an issue that we just can't 329 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 2: ignore it, or we look completely out of touch, well 330 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 2: then we're going to spin it as some sort of 331 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: right wing thing, which is what many outlets have done CNN, 332 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 2: you know, the least of which you know, calling the 333 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 2: commenting on how the right has characterized this and how 334 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 2: they're trying to use it as some sort of you know, 335 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 2: policy discussion. Well, yes, of course, it's got to be 336 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 2: a political slash policy discussion because there's policies that existed 337 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 2: that if they were different, maybe this could have not occurred. 338 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 2: And so, you know, how do we drive that discussion 339 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 2: to say, yes, law need to change, no cash bail 340 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 2: needs to change. We have it in Illinois, in the 341 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 2: whole state, not just in Chicago, where you know, I 342 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: live not too far from and I know you and 343 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 2: your family make your home not too far away from Washington. 344 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 4: D C. 345 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 2: Or and are in DC a lot. You know, the 346 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 2: changes in how crime is treated, not just by the police, 347 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 2: but by the judicial system does make a difference in 348 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 2: people's safety. I mean, I'm sure you and your family 349 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 2: whenever you're traveling in DC, if you ever dare to 350 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 2: take public transportation, are worried about how crime is treated there. 351 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, look it's really simple. Look, if you have 352 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 5: a senseless murder once in a while, you know that 353 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 5: is you know, certainly murder's part of the human condition. 354 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 5: We're probably never going to stop that from happening completely. 355 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 5: But if you have a situation where someone is arrested 356 00:24:55,160 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 5: fourteen times prior they commit a senseless murder. 357 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 2: Convicted ten times over ten times of those fourteen times, right. 358 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 5: And he and he was you know, prone to violence 359 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 5: and other things like that, that becomes a political question 360 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 5: because clearly that is a policy failure. This murder could 361 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 5: have been prevented, and you know, you can't just you know, 362 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 5: decide that you know, crime is, you know, a freak 363 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 5: occurrence when it suits you, and that it's a policy 364 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 5: issue when you know it went and then and it's 365 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 5: not a policy issue you know when it doesn't suit you. 366 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 5: So it's really something I think is obvious to address. 367 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 5: And there's also like something else that's going on here, 368 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 5: which is that there has been a ten year push 369 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 5: in this country by some of the biggest figures in 370 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 5: the you know, Democrat mega donors like George Sorows to 371 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 5: elect progressive das to major cities all around America, you know, 372 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 5: in addition to George Soros. So it's a great report 373 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 5: out in the Washington pre Beacon dated about something called 374 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 5: the ren Collective that was funded by other less wing 375 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 5: billionaires and donors, where what they did is when they 376 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 5: elected a new progressive DA that would show up with 377 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 5: model policies for things like cashless bail and how to 378 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 5: prosecute police and all these other things that were like 379 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 5: left wing priorities, and they would just arrived with you know, 380 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 5: lockstock and barrel, with all of the tools and financial 381 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 5: support they needed. 382 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 4: To do these things. 383 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 5: And they weren't even charging them for their services. They 384 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 5: were even providing crisis communications services for these progressive das. 385 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 5: When inevitably, their policies went wrong. And you know, this 386 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 5: was a big political project to get to this point 387 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 5: where you could have a situation in America where someone 388 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 5: would be arrested. 389 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 4: Fourteen times, you know, even you know, the man was. 390 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 5: Not incarcerated, even against the wishes. 391 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 4: Of his own family. 392 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 5: His own family wanted him, you know, and at the 393 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 5: very least in a mental facility and not out among 394 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,959 Speaker 5: the public because they knew he was violent. You know, 395 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 5: this is not something you can wave away. This is 396 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 5: very much a political problem that needs to be addressed. 397 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 5: And finally, just one last thing, let me say the 398 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 5: number one goal of any criminal justice policy is really simple. 399 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,959 Speaker 5: It is to keep law abiding citizens safe. Should we 400 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 5: treat prisonercy mainly, should we offer you know, a you 401 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 5: know attempt, Should we offer opportunities for criminals to rehability 402 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 5: it themselves. 403 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 4: Sure, but those things. 404 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 5: Should never ever ever get in the way of priority 405 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 5: number one, which is keeping the public safe. And everybody 406 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 5: has forgotten about priority number one and it's focused on 407 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 5: helping the criminal. 408 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 2: It's you're you're so right, and that that is so 409 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 2: sad because it used to be Again, not to sound 410 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 2: like a fuddy Duddy, but I know you and I 411 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 2: are similar. Age used to be. I would think in 412 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 2: the eighties and nineties when when when any awful tragedy 413 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 2: or something occurred, even if it was a gocal thing, 414 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 2: the reaction was, Okay, let's mourn the dead, let's figure 415 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 2: out what happened, let's see how we can prevent something 416 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 2: like this from happening in the future. But now something 417 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 2: something like this, which has become a national story, it 418 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 2: immediately turns into a weight. Don't politicize this, weight, don't 419 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 2: politicize this. But there are actual things we can do 420 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 2: policy wise to change this. When we played a quick 421 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 2: clip from US Attorney Russ Ferguson talking about this exact 422 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 2: idea that we're somehow politicizing. 423 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 6: This, you would see this case as political grandstanding. And 424 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 6: if you do, I think you should have the conversation 425 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 6: that we just had with Arena's family, because there's nothing 426 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 6: political about that. This is a heinous crime and we 427 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 6: are going remedy it. I don't know what the politics 428 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 6: is here. If this was a political grand stand, there 429 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 6: would be an opposite side to this. 430 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 2: Is the opposite side. Let's allow murders. 431 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 6: On our light rail is the opposite side, Let's let 432 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 6: people out of state prison so they can commit other crimes. 433 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 6: There's no other side of this. There's no politics to this. 434 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 6: This is a pure and simple federal case. 435 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 2: You've a comment about that, Mark, because I do. 436 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 5: Well, no, I mean, he's exactly right. But the reality 437 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 5: is that nobody in for instance, of the Democratic Party 438 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 5: that participated in this big push to implement quote unquote 439 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 5: criminal justice for from the last ten years, is going 440 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 5: to come out and say they're pro murder. But the 441 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 5: reality is is that they're policies things like cashlest spelle 442 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 5: and other things like that were always going to be 443 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 5: pro murder. They were always going to enable violent criminals 444 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 5: to be out on the streets when they should not. 445 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 5: And you know, getting you know to that point where 446 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 5: you know they're forced to sort of reckon with that 447 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 5: and they're forced to sort of deal with the policies 448 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 5: and back away from them, is going to be a 449 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 5: political you know issue, and it needs to be. 450 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 2: Do you think, well, yeah, well, I was going to 451 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 2: say I disagree with him in the sense that there 452 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 2: is no other side to it, because there is another 453 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 2: side to it, and it's what you just said it's 454 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 2: the cash flowt spell types. There are people that say, yeah, 455 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 2: you should let people who commit a violent act out 456 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 2: on no bail while they're awaiting pre trial confinement, and 457 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 2: they will of course be out able to commit another crime. 458 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 2: And it happens time and time again. So you would 459 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 2: think again, if this was covered in any sort of 460 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 2: serious way or fair way by the legacy media, that 461 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 2: people would say, Okay, yes, clearly this didn't work. Clearly 462 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 2: the no cash bail thing doesn't work. Let's do things 463 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 2: that enable, you know, or don't enable this sort of 464 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 2: thing to happen again. Do you have faith, Mark Hemingway, 465 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 2: do you think that because this story has really gained 466 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 2: so much traction, I mean, gosh, we now have this 467 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: fund that's being created to create murals, to to commemorate 468 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 2: the beautiful life and image of Arena Zarutska. Ten thousand 469 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,239 Speaker 2: dollars a mural is being given to artists to you know, 470 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 2: paint the side of a building much like And people 471 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 2: are immediately saying, yeah, this is kind of like you 472 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 2: know they did George Floyd in a lot of cities 473 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 2: throughout the country. Well, we need to do something similar. 474 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 2: And you call this political I just think it is 475 00:30:53,920 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 2: commemorating and reminding people that this woman did not die 476 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 2: in vain if we do remember her, and yes, we 477 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 2: are taking a stand now. I heard or I read 478 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 2: a post earlier from someone saying, this is a this 479 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 2: is a civil rights issue. Now, this this is becoming 480 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 2: a sort of counterbalance, uh to the George Floyd Mayhem 481 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,959 Speaker 2: and fever, do you have a quick comment about that 482 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 2: mark before we let you go. 483 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 5: Well, we definitely need a counterbalance to sort of the 484 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 5: George Floyd Mayhem. I mean, it's really astonishing the outcome 485 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 5: of that. You know, people ended up, you know, defending 486 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 5: George Floyd, who you know, at a minimum was a 487 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 5: you know, kind of a career criminal who put himself 488 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 5: in a very bad position. Not that I think that 489 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,959 Speaker 5: he necessari should have died, but there was no intent 490 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 5: by Derek Shaban, I don't think to kill him. And uh, 491 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 5: you know, to uh compare you know, something like that 492 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 5: to you know, what happened. 493 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 4: To this woman? 494 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 5: Uh you know, I I you know, I think it 495 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 5: can be an effective comparison. 496 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 4: But more than anything, I would just. 497 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 5: Like people to like wake up and just like look 498 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 5: look at the facts here. I mean The reality is 499 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 5: that a huge amount of crime is committed by a 500 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 5: very small percentage of even criminals. 501 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 4: You know that there's a there's a law. 502 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 5: There's a significant amount of people that for whatever reason, 503 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 5: are so broken. 504 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 4: They get arrested over and over and over again. 505 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 5: And if we could just walk away that subset of 506 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 5: the population, you know, we solve a lot of problems. 507 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 4: Like this guy. 508 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:27,959 Speaker 5: You know who killed Arena I forget her last name, Yeah, Zarutzka. 509 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 5: If this guy has simply been put away in a 510 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 5: mental facility, you know, which is a whole other conversation 511 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 5: when you talk about, you know, involuntary commitment. That was 512 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 5: another thing that progressives made a big deal out of 513 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 5: getting rid of. If we could just put away these 514 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 5: people and take care of them instead of being told 515 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 5: it's inhumane to do this, you know, we could solve 516 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 5: a lot of problems. 517 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 2: Yes, very small, it's a very small percentage of the 518 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 2: population that is doing a very very large percentage of 519 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 2: the violent crime. Unfortunately, we have to leave it there, Mark, 520 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 2: But thank you so much, Mark Hemingway. Follow him at 521 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 2: eminator on x. Mark, thanks for coming on to Tony 522 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 2: Kats today. We're back on Tony Katz today. We don't unfortunately, 523 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 2: don't have time for pinball Wizzard to the big guitar 524 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 2: to drop there. Okay, fine, we do there it is. 525 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 2: This is Mike Coolidge filling in for Tony Katz today. 526 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 2: I think it was last night Greg Guttfeld destroyed Brian 527 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 2: Stelter's or CNN's Brian Stelter for you know, focusing on 528 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 2: this whole mental illness aspect of this murder. Here, here 529 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 2: we go. 530 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 7: I'm tired also of the term mental illness being used 531 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 7: as a cover for criminality. When a thug targets a 532 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 7: woman that is not insane, he knows she's weaker, when 533 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 7: he comes from behind with a knife, that's not insane. 534 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 7: He minimizes her ability to inflict harm on him. When 535 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 7: when the thug flees, that's sane, because you know if 536 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,719 Speaker 7: he stays, he'll be arrested. So what would be insane 537 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 7: would be if he were to face off against a 538 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 7: man without a weapon, somebody like a tyrorist. 539 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 2: That would be insane. You'd go, Okay, that's crazy. 540 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 7: But almost all of these people that do this stuff, 541 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 7: they go after women that is not insane, that self preservation, 542 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 7: this is not insanity. It's an evil mind, and it's 543 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 7: an evil mind that is somehow excused in a culture 544 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 7: that weaponizes victim's status in this case mental illness, mental illness. 545 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 7: And what is it about a society that contributes to this? 546 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 2: And I'd say this based. 547 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 7: On my own personal evidence of being on city streets 548 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 7: every single day, every single day in New York, that 549 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 7: when a homeless person is shouting at people, he's not 550 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 7: shouting I really made a mess of my life, boy, 551 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 7: I really screwed up. No, his aggression is purely blaming 552 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 7: other things and other people. He blames the world, he 553 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 7: blames people, he blames you. So living in a progressive 554 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 7: ideological nightmare where the worst in society is empowered by 555 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 7: a sense of victimhood. So when this happens, they will 556 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 7: still get people like Brian Stelter that says, oh, be 557 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 7: careful of the racism, or other people saying, you know what, 558 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 7: we really need to be concerned about our services to 559 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 7: the mentally ill, which may or may not be true. 560 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 7: But he's not mentally ill. He needs to be executed. 561 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 2: Lastly, I asked, He's totally right, He absolutely is. Greg 562 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 2: Gottfeld on we don't have time to play the rest 563 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 2: of it. But yeah, he wasn't even if he was 564 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 2: mentally ill diagnosed. There are consequences for your actions. Do 565 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 2: you murder someone, you need to face the consequences, even 566 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 2: if that's execution.