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Speaker 1: And Grand Rising family, and thanks for starting your week

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Speaker 1: with us again. Later, the founder of the Black Lawyers

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Speaker 1: for Justice will take over our classroom, attorney the leaked Shabbaz.

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Speaker 1: We will discuss the possible attack on Iran, also attribute

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Speaker 1: to Elijah Muhammad and the legacy of the late Reverend

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Speaker 1: d C. Next to momentary, who we're going to hear

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Speaker 1: from the founder of the Million Woe March. That would

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Speaker 1: be Sister phill A. But first we got to Vin

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Speaker 1: to open up these classroom doors and get it started.

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Speaker 1: Grand Rising, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Grand Rising, Carl Nelson or should I say Gregor?

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Speaker 3: And that's the word of today. How you feeling?

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Speaker 4: I'm still learning?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 2: So the answer to is it cold enough is yes,

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Speaker 2: is that it's cold enough for me?

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Speaker 4: Brother, as it stops knowing in your area.

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Speaker 3: It stops knowing, Yeah, it stops knowing.

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Speaker 2: Fortunately, and now it's just a matter of you know,

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Speaker 2: negotiating between the slush the frozen you know, black ice

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Speaker 2: and snow that you can see. But it doesn't look

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Speaker 2: like it was too devastating, except their list of school

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Speaker 2: closings that indicate differently. So I was looking at Baltimore

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Speaker 2: But I probably need to upgrade, update that page, you know,

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Speaker 1: Page, right, because the governor has declared a state of

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Speaker 1: emergency for the entire state. I mean Baltimore sort of

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Baltimore is on the waterfront there, so we

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Speaker 2: But as far as DC is concerned, there's the list.

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Speaker 2: The list goes on and on, just to name a few,

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Speaker 2: everything from A to z Adan Montessori School, Alexandria City Government,

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Speaker 2: Alexander City Public Schools, American University and Arundel County Public Library,

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Speaker 2: Arlington County Government is closed. And you know, you can

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Speaker 2: look at the website for yourself. Buis State University is closed.

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Speaker 2: Capitalist City. I'm just hitting through to some key points.

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Speaker 2: Charles County government way up there. Charles County Congressional School

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Speaker 2: open at ten. I take that back. DC public schools

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Speaker 2: are open two hours late. Fairfax Christian Schools closed those

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Speaker 2: got a favorite Letteree Mason. George Mason University opens at

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Speaker 2: ten thirty. George Washington University opens at eleven am. Howard

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Speaker 3: See. Some places open late and some are right.

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Speaker 1: And if you have to go out, check, That's the

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna take off anyway. You know, Maryland State government

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Speaker 2: is open with liberal leave. Now liberally means what you

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Speaker 3: Over if you see too much.

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Speaker 2: No Maryland government in Charles County is on liberal leave.

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Speaker 2: A lot of the Maryland government. What I see, Carl,

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Speaker 1: Well, what does that mean though Kevin liberally was. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Well can you get me tickets? You know, hey are

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Speaker 4: The rap on him.

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Speaker 3: You get some perks, apparently, can we say.

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Speaker 1: That, you know, yeah, well they'll take advantage of it.

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Speaker 1: But you know again, you remember it's on our time.

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Speaker 1: So if you're happy that he's spending the money that way, well,

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Speaker 3: Ad well.

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Speaker 2: The meanwhile, the US men defeated Canada two to one,

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Speaker 2: thwarting Wes Moore's political ambitions. You see, because Maryland Governor

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Speaker 2: single House seat has earned him accolades from progressive activists

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Speaker 2: But Moore also has been outmaneuvered at times by members

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Speaker 2: his jerrymander Blitz is facing an unceremonious death. As they

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Speaker 2: Critics say More hasn't been aggressive enough in using get

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Speaker 3: Now, isn't that a picture bare knuckle tactics?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: What does he gotta do?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, whatever he does, he's going to be

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Speaker 4: So that's how I look at it.

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Speaker 2: So they're hence the bare knuckles huh right well with

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Speaker 2: David Turner, Moore's senior advisor, says that anyone who thinks

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Speaker 3: He says, Governor Wes Moore has been clear.

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Speaker 2: At a time in other states are discussing mid decade redistricting, Maryland.

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Speaker 3: Needs to do so as well.

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Speaker 2: Moore's inability to convince enough Democratic senators to go along

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see, because there's no real front runner out

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Speaker 4: But you know, and it's not too early. Whoever got

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Speaker 1: And that's what we're gonna have to see probably the

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Speaker 1: next few months, we'll see somebody come forward.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, your guess that's standing back, Carl. I don't

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Speaker 2: want to hold up all of the time. I appreciate

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Speaker 2: your time. On the twenty third of February. It's Monday morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Let's make it a great.

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Speaker 1: a grand rising sister, welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, as you were, it looks like the line

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Speaker 4: All right, we'll go ahead and make that call.

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, Greeting's brother called Greetings everyone, How are you

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Speaker 4: Cold?

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Speaker 1: But how's the weather in Philly? How you guys doing?

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Speaker 6: Like you said? Cold? But you know, being in Philly,

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Speaker 4: If you get what I mean, I certainly do.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, meaning the politics in Philly is of a certain type.

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Speaker 6: And with that saying, let me not forget or not

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Speaker 1: Yep, thanks for the Civics Court classmate, Sister phil A.

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Speaker 1: But Sister phil A, you know, let's get into some

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Speaker 1: But first we do that that's that slave, that slave

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Speaker 6: Well, there is an appeal, and so the judge did

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Speaker 6: Literally George Washington, of course, had seven slaves at his

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Speaker 1: Who I tell a whole that thought right there, Sister

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Speaker 1: phil A, We're got to step aside for a few months.

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Speaker 1: It's seventeen minutes after the top day, ol family, thanks

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Speaker 1: guess it's sister Phila. She's the founder of the Million

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Speaker 4: Next. Thank Grand Rising family. Thanks for starting your week

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Speaker 1: At twenty minutes after the top day, I I guess

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, again, like a few cities, Philadelphia was

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Speaker 1: Well, let me jump in and ask you this though

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Speaker 1: They say it's too painful to relive relieve in that past.

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Speaker 1: All right, twenty four after the top there, before we

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Absolutely, you know, we're doing a lot of work

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, so a sister Fila,

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Speaker 6: There is a few groups an organizations, and that's one

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Speaker 6: the information circulated. This is why we say the grassroots

436
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 6: level has to be first, and so that's why we're

437
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 6: pushing to make certain that even now we're creating something

438
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 6: called UBA United Black Business Association and Alliance UBA, we'll

439
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 6: be doing that in every city. This way, the black

440
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 6: businesses that sign on with us as Ujima Ujama partners

441
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 6: because that's what we call them, Ujima Ujama partners, those

442
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 6: black businesses. See, we don't want our people to just

443
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 6: be in business just to make money. No, we have

444
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 6: to break through this capitalistic concept and idea, and our

445
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 6: way of doing it is by making certain that we

446
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 6: do certain things in our community. So again, our Uber

447
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 6: Group which is going to be one of our key

448
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 6: financers or funders for MWM thirty, they have responsibilities. One

449
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 6: of the responsibilities is if you have a business post

450
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 6: some of these missing Black women and girls. Another thing

451
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 6: for YUBA responsibility is to create and emerge fund in

452
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 6: your community. So our UBA members are not about just

453
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 6: making money. They have to do something in our communities.

454
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 6: So with an emergency fund in the community as part

455
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 6: of UBA membership, that means if there's a fire or

456
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 6: a death or a birth or whatever, YUBA as a

457
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 6: Black United Business Association can put something towards helping or

458
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 6: celebrating that family. That's what we're talking about when we

459
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 6: say black, That's what we're talking about when we say

460
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 6: making Black history and continuing Black history to be proactive.

461
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 6: So again, this will help us to develop a mechanism

462
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 6: on the ground level when you're putting those pictures or

463
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 6: flyers or whatever in the stores and the businesses, et

464
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 6: cetera that we patronize. That means the word can spread

465
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 6: and more action can occur.

466
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Speaker 1: Twenty eight away from the top that it was sister Phla,

467
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: it's just a fla. How young of these girls are.

468
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 4: Being trafficked.

469
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 6: Well again by the car. We're getting it now at

470
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 6: four and us they're oh yeah at four.

471
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 3: Wow.

472
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 6: Surely you know there was a video a week or

473
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 6: so ago that was caught on camera where there were

474
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 6: some people in a store and a male Caucasian literally

475
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 6: grabbed the child. The mother was holding the hand. So

476
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 6: we have a lot of different things going on.

477
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 7: Uh.

478
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 6: Some of it can be mental behavior, that's one, but

479
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 6: our research iscerning showing primarily that it's well orchestrated, it's

480
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 6: well structured, it's well organized, and so again at four.

481
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 6: The other thing that people need to be more aware

482
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 6: of and on us again, we are not being what

483
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 6: some called watchdogs. And what I mean by that is

484
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 6: when it comes to foster care facilities. See, that's a

485
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 6: very easy way to maneuver and manipulate trafficking, because who's

486
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 6: controlling that, who's watching it. So if you have children

487
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 6: that are in foster care, and particularly if they're in

488
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 6: facilities or you know, and again these are a little older,

489
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 6: but still we are not being responsible enough to really

490
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 6: pay attention to what's going on in our communities, around

491
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 6: our communities when it comes to our children. And so,

492
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 6: you know, I think I mentioned the situation a few

493
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 6: years ago right outside of Philly, they had they had

494
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 6: something called cash for Kids.

495
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 4: I recall the share that with us says there.

496
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 6: Were two judges who were indicted and again the next time,

497
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 6: I'll have that ready for you. But there were two

498
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 6: judges indicted, and what they were doing they were literally, uh,

499
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 6: they had different facilities that they were connected to, so

500
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 6: when a case would come to their court, they would

501
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 6: make sure that these children would get funneled to these

502
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 6: foster care facilities. Because all of this is this is money.

503
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 6: So when you have a child that's in custody or

504
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 6: a child that is watered the state or the city,

505
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 6: that's all money. So again and this is why I'm

506
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 6: very you know, stuck on our women because it is

507
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 6: often the women who have the children and in the

508
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 6: very near future, we're going to hear and see more

509
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 6: of our women being caught up in these courts and

510
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 6: so by you know, different kinds of situation, accusations or

511
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 6: whatever the situation is, they end up in port and

512
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 6: for the judge to then make a ruling that you

513
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 6: lose custody. So when you lose custody, the child then

514
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 6: goes into the care of Falster Care. It's is money.

515
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 6: So we have to make sure that our women are

516
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 6: very clear about some things that is literally happening and

517
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 6: will increase in the future because it's already increasing, and

518
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 6: that is the loss of the child that is now

519
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 6: being funneled into the system.

520
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: Let me Jim on another question, another thing that you

521
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: talked about but didn't get into in real depth the

522
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: last time, about these missing children and black women, Uh,

523
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: harvesting of organs.

524
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 4: How prevalent is that?

525
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, well that is increasing. And again if you look

526
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 6: on the market, you're going to see the numbers is

527
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 6: just almost it blows your mind, but it makes sense

528
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 6: because you have to know with all that we're seeing

529
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 6: now with the Epstein situation and other kinds of you know,

530
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 6: the entertainment situation, clearly there's other stuff going on. So

531
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 6: when we're now seeing these things right before our eyes,

532
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 6: you can kind of just go to another level and

533
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 6: just begin to imagine the other things that are going on.

534
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 6: So again we're looking at sex trafficking. That's obvious. I mean,

535
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 6: we're seeing that a lot. But again, this organ thing

536
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 6: is something that we're going to hear more about in

537
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 6: the future. Now right now it's being kind of again

538
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 6: pushed under the rug because you're dealing with more so elite.

539
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 6: But again, who's watching doctors, who's watching funeral homes? Because

540
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 6: we do have in fact actual case where a song

541
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 6: that we were able to really talk with our sister

542
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 6: Tijuanda Jones over there in Baltimore had had a brother

543
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 6: on her podcast and talked about how when they buried

544
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 6: their dear child, the organs were gone.

545
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: Our hold up thought right there, Sister Phila, We've got

546
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: to step aside and check the ladies news traffic, and

547
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: we're there our different cities. We'll come back and let

548
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: you finish your thought and also give us an update

549
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: on Mumbia family. You two can get in on this

550
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: discussion with sister phil a reach out to us at

551
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: eight hundred and four five zero seventy eight, seventy six,

552
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: and we'll take a phone calls after the news that's

553
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: next and grind Rising Family, thanks for waking up with

554
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: us on this Monday morning, cold Monday morning on the

555
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: East Coast, seventeen minutes away from the top there with

556
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: our guests. Sister Philly, she's the founder of the Million

557
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: Women March, and she's giving us an update of what's

558
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: going on in Philadelphia and with the march itself before

559
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: we go back to ourlymisrymind you. Coming up later this morning,

560
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: we're going to speak to the founder of the Black

561
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: Lawyers for Justice. That would be Attorney my Leak Shabaz.

562
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: Also highly Gary Man is why shir Connor is gonna

563
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: join us and they're gonna preview then latest project, Who's

564
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: gonna This is gonna debut this weekend in Washington, d C.

565
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: And coming up during the week we're gonna have we're

566
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: gonna hear from Attorney Fire Rose two Ray is gonna

567
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: join us. A chemtologist Tony Browner will be here. The

568
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: founder of the Universal African People's Organization, Brother Zakie Bruder,

569
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: will also check in. The Master Teacher ashwa Quasi also

570
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: join us as well as one of Dick gregory sons, JOHANSI,

571
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: will be here as well. So if you are in Baltimore,

572
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: make sure you keep you're radio locked in tight on

573
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: ten ten wolb. Or if you're in the DMV are right,

574
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: we're on fourteen fifty w o L. All right, sister Fleay,

575
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: I'll let you finish your thought. We stopped you fuward

576
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: into the news.

577
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, just you know, called we have to be a

578
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 6: lot more prossers, a little more, but a lot more proactive.

579
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 6: And that is again you know, prioritizing. We talk a

580
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 6: lot about you know, things just going on thousands and

581
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 6: thousands of miles away, and of course we should because

582
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 6: you know, those are issues and concerns that we should

583
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 6: all have, but again, what's going on in our actual communities.

584
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 6: Be real clear. The enemy, you know, sees all of that,

585
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 6: and that is when you do not care about the

586
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 6: most vulnerable in your own communities, that sends out a

587
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 6: message and it really makes things a lot a lot worse.

588
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 6: So again we're encouraging our people to you know, this

589
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 6: is a new year, Well, well let's put that on

590
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 6: the calendar or let's put that on the agenda, that

591
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 6: the issues relevant to our women and girls should have

592
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 6: just as much importance as other things do. I mean,

593
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 6: why would it not. These are your mothers, your daughters,

594
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 6: your wives, your sisters. Why would their lives? And I

595
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 6: don't want to, you know, use that cliche, you know, unnecessarily,

596
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 6: but I have to say, why not the issues and

597
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 6: the things that affect them in particular not be of

598
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 6: some more importance than other things. You know, we can

599
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 6: talk about what's going on with other people, surely what's

600
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 6: going on with our own people has to become a priority.

601
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 4: All right.

602
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: Fourteen away from the top of our sister file, give

603
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: us an update on Mamiya and befor you to I

604
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: just could briefly just tell the folks here because we

605
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: always have some new people who jump on who don't

606
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: know the history of Momia, and so just give us

607
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: a short story of how we got to where we

608
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: are with Mura abou Jamal.

609
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 6: Oh wow, well, absolutely, again it is black history, and

610
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 6: you know, definitely Mumia Abu Jamal certainly falls into that

611
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 6: category in a lot of different ways. He's probably the

612
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 6: most well known political prisoner in the world. Really and

613
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 6: so Mumi abou Jamal born here in Philadelphia, and just

614
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 6: to fast forward, roughly forty two years ago, he was

615
00:35:54,160 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 6: accused and ultimately convicted of the alleged unliving or actual

616
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 6: murder of a police officer. Now, for those who know

617
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 6: the history of the Black Panther Party and other more

618
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 6: resistant oriented types of groups, then you know, of course

619
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 6: that cointelpro was definitely a primary to make certain that

620
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 6: they were eliminated. And of course Mumia was in fact

621
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 6: a member of the Black Panther Party in his early life.

622
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 6: In his early days, I think roughly around age fifteen sixteen,

623
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 6: he was even then in communications, meaning doing journalism. When

624
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 6: Chairman Friend Hampton was murdered, Mumia was on the scene.

625
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 6: He went to Chicago to cover it. So that just

626
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 6: gives you a general idea of the type of work

627
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 6: and consistency that Mumia Abu Jamal has had four decades.

628
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 6: He was voted here in Philadelphia as one of the

629
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 6: most ten upcoming people in Philadelphia, and shortly thereafter again

630
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 6: he was accused of murder bring a police officer, and

631
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 6: primarily because of his position in continuing to investigate and

632
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 6: write about at that time the Move nine, the Move

633
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 6: organization here in Philadelphia, had been arrested again for the

634
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 6: murder of a police officer in nineteen seventy eight. So Mumia,

635
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 6: as a bona fide recognized journalist, was writing a lot

636
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 6: about the case, reporting it and investigating and finding information

637
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 6: and he was of course warned to stop doing it,

638
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 6: and knowing Mumia, he did not, and as a result,

639
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 6: the jobs began to dry up. He could not find employment,

640
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 6: ultimately begin to drive a cab in order to supplement income.

641
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 6: And the rest is infamous history, meaning an incident occurred

642
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 6: and somehow a police officer ended up on Live so

643
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 6: you know there's more to that story. But to fast forward,

644
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 6: Mumia was in fact found guilty. He was put on

645
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 6: death row. He was on death row for over thirty years,

646
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 6: and because of the people, this is why it's so

647
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 6: important to emphasize the power of our people, Mumia was

648
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 6: ultimately removed from death row, keeping in mind that a

649
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 6: death want was signed at least twice, and again it

650
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 6: was the people and big shout out to Sister Pam

651
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 6: Africa because again most would not know if Mumia if

652
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 6: it had not been for that sister. And I know

653
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 6: because I was at the very first trial as a

654
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 6: character witness, so I'm very familiar with this case. But again, presently,

655
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 6: for those that do not know, Moumia is losing his sight.

656
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 6: There was a threat of that a few months ago,

657
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 6: and he did in fact get surgery where cataracts was removed,

658
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 6: but there's a follow up that has to happen. Now

659
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 6: that was only for one eye, so presently there's been

660
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 6: no further kind of evaluation or treatment. There's really treatment

661
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 6: that has to occur because Momi has something called diabetic retinopathy,

662
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 6: and that's just one of the things that he has.

663
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 6: In terms of his eyes, there's a couple of things,

664
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 6: and I'm not a medical person, so I don't have

665
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 6: all the terminology, but there's at least two to three

666
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 6: other things going on with his eyes, and so we

667
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 6: feel that this is intentional. Keeping in mind that this

668
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 6: really started because he had, of course an issue with

669
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 6: his heart and they were giving him steroids. He also

670
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 6: had another situation that came about as hepatite from hepatitis see.

671
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 6: So again he was given us a steroids which is

672
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 6: said to have affected his eyes. So now we're looking

673
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 6: at a situation where he's literally going blind, and particularly

674
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 6: in one eye, because one eye has not really been

675
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 6: treated to the degree that it needs to be. One

676
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 6: eye was, but it needed additional follow up treatment. So

677
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 6: this is where we're at now. People are being asked

678
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 6: to continue to call the prison, to call you know,

679
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 6: the prison itself, but also the State Justice Department in

680
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 6: order to do what they said they would, which was

681
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 6: to follow up to make certain that he got treatment. Now,

682
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 6: some might say, well, he's in prison, so you know,

683
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 6: why should he be getting treatment. You might think that

684
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 6: someone wouldn't say that, but we still have a lot

685
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 6: of ignorant people. But that has been something that has

686
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 6: been said, Well, he's in prison, why why go through

687
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 6: all this? Well, there's something called human rights and humaneeness

688
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 6: and for even another morality. But the bottom line is,

689
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 6: even though he is incarcerated, he still has the right

690
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 6: for treatment, and so it's really up to the people

691
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 6: to make sure that that's enforced because if not, then,

692
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 6: of course they will be more than negligent and irresponsible.

693
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 6: They will do what they really want to do, which

694
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 6: is they could not execute him the way they wanted to,

695
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 6: which was of course by lethal injection. So now it

696
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 6: is let's do whatever we can to create make sure

697
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 6: that his life is as miserable. It's already miserable, but

698
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 6: to make it even more so, and why that is

699
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 6: very important in this regard. Mumi is working on his

700
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 6: pH d now again, being in prison, there's only a

701
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 6: few things that can kind of keep you focused and

702
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 6: keep you going. And lost his wife a couple of

703
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 6: years ago, so now he's you know, pursuing things that

704
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 6: at least helps him to maintain a certain level of

705
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 6: stability in certain kinds of ways. So he is now

706
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 6: literally finishing up his PhD. His PhD, interestingly enough, is

707
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 6: on friends phenon That's what his dissertation is on. But

708
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 6: to do that he needs his eyesight. So this is why,

709
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 6: on one hand, it's important in regards to the fact

710
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 6: that you know, as a black man or you know,

711
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 6: as a human, yes, he would like to have as

712
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 6: much of his health, you know, as possible. But connected

713
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 6: to that is from a spiritual level and from another level,

714
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 6: he needs to be able to do something or things

715
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 6: that also enables him to continue to fight. Because we

716
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 6: haven't given up on his freedom, we never will, and

717
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 6: we do have the examples of that with Jamil Montacun,

718
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 6: with Docr Matula Shakur and others. They were released. And

719
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 6: so again we have to keep Mumi as strong as

720
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 6: possible so that we could continue to fight for him

721
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 6: and let him know that we're fighting for him.

722
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: All right, stix away from the top of Aur with

723
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: Sister phil A from the Million Woman March. Sister phil A,

724
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: you attract all kinds of sisters at different age levels,

725
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: different levels of society as well. Are you doing anything

726
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 1: special to reach out to the Caddy b the Sexy Red,

727
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: that group Nicki minaj or those group of young women

728
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: who are in the entertainment industry.

729
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 6: Wow, we knew, Well, let's put it this way, yes

730
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 6: and no. So as a part of MW thirty and

731
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 6: what we're getting ready to do starting next Sunday, we're

732
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 6: getting ready to recruit are women who who are interested

733
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 6: in being the first Million Women March Universal Queen who

734
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 6: we will crown next year in twenty twenty seven, which

735
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 6: will be our thirty year anniversary. So in our queen

736
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 6: she will have a court, which means she'll have other

737
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 6: queens or what have you. So the idea is this,

738
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 6: once we begin to unveil this. This means in every

739
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 6: city you'll have million women March queens, community queens, warrior queens,

740
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 6: but then we have our national International Queen. The idea is,

741
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 6: in order to be eligible, you have to have a

742
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 6: certain character, you have to have a certain level of

743
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 6: respect for yourself and for your people and as natural

744
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 6: as possible. So we are looking for black women starting

745
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 6: at eighteen, who are interested in being million women March queens,

746
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 6: million of them March universal queens, because we're now coming

747
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 6: from march to movements, so we're not just talking about

748
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 6: being a march, we're actually now a universal movement. This

749
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 6: was always the plan, but now we are stacking the

750
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 6: deck in such a way. We want to exemplify the

751
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 6: original mother or the original woman, the original Black woman,

752
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 6: and so rather than to do certain other kinds of outreach,

753
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 6: what we want to do is show who we are,

754
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 6: what we are, why we are and representing the Nina Simone,

755
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 6: the Sicily Tysons, the Fannie lou Hamas in that spirit,

756
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 6: but again showing our beauty not just externally but internally.

757
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 6: So one of again, our membership drive is now underway

758
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 6: because again we've never had a grant. We've never had

759
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 6: corporate sponsoring, so now we want to build institutions. And

760
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 6: we figure if black women could raise millions of dollars

761
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 6: for a candidate that offered pretty much nothing.

762
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 5: We have an.

763
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 6: Agenda and we have a history, and so next month

764
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 6: is women's History. We want our own Black women's museum.

765
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 6: It would be a traveling exhibit first, but then ultimately

766
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 6: a physical building where we can literally archives, where we

767
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 6: can literally show display history, accomplishments, innovation, inventions, et cetera

768
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 6: of black women.

769
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 4: Right now, hold up thought right there, Sister Phla.

770
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: We got to step aside and check the traffic weather

771
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: at different cities, and coming up we were going to

772
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: speak with highly Guerrima, Hendy's wife, Sri Rika family. Keep

773
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: listening you and your great information coming your way this

774
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: morning and three away from the top of the hour.

775
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: Let's check the trafficking weather and our cities. Will come

776
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: back to Sister Philla and Sister Philla and we come back.

777
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: Please tell us if the group is internationalized here you're

778
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: going to different states, but what about the systems in

779
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: the ash are you reaching out to them as Well'll

780
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: let you explain that when we get back family YouTube

781
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: can join us at eight hundred and four or five

782
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll taking calls after

783
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: we checked the trafficking, weather, the news in our different cities.

784
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 4: That's next and.

785
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: Grand Rising Family and thanks for starting your week with us.

786
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: And two after the top, they are momentarily were going

787
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: to speak with movie maker Highly Carema and his wife Sharkanna,

788
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: talking about the latest project that they're working on they're

789
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: going to debut with later this week in Washington, d C.

790
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: But Sister phil A, that's who we're having the conversation with.

791
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: She's the founder of the Million Woman March. And before

792
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: we left for the for the break, sister flails asking

793
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: you if you're trying to analyze internationalized I should say

794
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: the movement because it was a march and I was

795
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: turning to a movement. Did you have chapters overseas you

796
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: or are you just adding the plans?

797
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, that's definitely in the plan. Again, if so,

798
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 6: kind of paid attention the original Woman March thanky ninety seven.

799
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 6: What do we do we even at that particular point

800
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 6: in time connected the black dots we had of course

801
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 6: to Malcolm's daughters were speakers. Comes from the Maximum Waters

802
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 6: of course, doctor Dorothy Height, Faith Evans of course, and

803
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 6: sister Sojia. But who else did we bring? How about

804
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 6: Mother Winnie Mandela. So even from the onset, we demonstrated

805
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 6: and showed that there was an intent to make certain

806
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 6: that we would be global, because we literally went in

807
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 6: God's sister Winnie during the time when she was really

808
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 6: in a very very serious situation. And that was the intention.

809
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 6: For those that do not know, it wasn't something that

810
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 6: we talked about or whatever, but we intentionally went to

811
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 6: get Mother Winnie because she was under such severe attack

812
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 6: and many had turned against her. So that's a whole

813
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 6: nother inside story that I'm going to be revealing very

814
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 6: soon when I released the one hundred amazing facts about

815
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 6: the Million Woman in March that people have no clue about.

816
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 6: But to answer your question, brother, some of the years,

817
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 6: I've traveled quite a bit. I've been to Africa and

818
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 6: other countries, and so we've been doing Zoom meetings for

819
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 6: like the past three years with sisters in Cameroon, Haiti,

820
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 6: Ghana and so forth again to begin to establish this

821
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 6: movement globally and right now for the us. We've put

822
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 6: together and we'll be releasing this again next Sunday, which

823
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 6: is the first day of what some call Women's History Month.

824
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 6: We say that the Million Women in March put the

825
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 6: March in women's history, you know, given the fact that

826
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 6: Women's History March is in the month of March, we

827
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 6: say we put the history in women's history. So the

828
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 6: point is that we know we have to now do

829
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 6: things on a global level. One of the issues and

830
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 6: problems with the development of black women in terms of

831
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 6: making a certain type of progress, is that we do

832
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 6: a lot in our communities, but for the most parts,

833
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 6: other women are connected globally. We are not, at least

834
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 6: not to the degree of reality. So we've been doing

835
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 6: that for the past ten years, and in doing so

836
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 6: have begun to collect. For example, here in the US,

837
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 6: we're putting together the Million Women Manufacturers. That means, sisters,

838
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 6: if you make jewelry, clothing, anything that you produce. It

839
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 6: could be art, it could be whatever, but you're producing it.

840
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 6: You are a manufacturer. So what we're going to do

841
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,439
Speaker 6: as part of MW thirty is market you. So we're

842
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 6: particularly even though we'll do other forms of business, but

843
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 6: we are really reaching out to sisters that make their

844
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 6: own product. It could be.

845
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: Sister Fla, because we got the movie maker a highly agreement.

846
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: It's why I share a conna on deck. But before

847
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: we let you go, how can people want more information

848
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: about the Million Women March? How can they reach you?

849
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: Do you have an email address?

850
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 6: Absolutely? Absolutely? The new website hopefully will be ready on

851
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 6: next Sunday. But in the meantime they can email me.

852
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 6: They can even text me. I respond to texts pretty quickly,

853
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 6: So you can text me at two sixty seven six

854
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 6: three six three eight zero two again two six seven

855
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 6: six three six three eight zero two. You can email

856
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 6: me at National m WM at aol dot com. Again

857
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 6: National spelled out n A t IO n A l

858
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 6: m w M at aol dot com. If you text me,

859
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 6: we'll make sure you get the link so that you

860
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 6: can join us for the press conference for next Sunday.

861
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: All right, thank you, Sister phil A, thank you for

862
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: all the work that you do. All right, Sam, It's

863
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: Sister phil A from the Million Woman marsh and I

864
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: say Grand Rising to brother Gerima and his wife at

865
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Speaker 1: Shirkana and Grand Rising, welcome back.

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Speaker 4: To the program.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, good morning, thank you.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's let's get to it. You've got a

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Speaker 1: new project that you're working out. Tell us about this

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Speaker 1: new project. Both of you speak.

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Speaker 8: Good morning, Carol. It's a pleasure being with you again.

872
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Speaker 8: We haven't talked to you. I guess since sankofa.

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Speaker 4: Right, it's been a minute.

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Speaker 8: It's been a while. You still sound young and very great.

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Speaker 5: So we are.

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Speaker 8: We're finishing a project now called Black Lions Roman Roles.

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Speaker 5: It is a.

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Speaker 8: Magnum opus, I would say, because it's a ten hour documentary,

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Speaker 8: just some looks at the resistance of Ethiopians against the

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Speaker 8: second invasion of Ethiopia by Italian fascists and how they

881
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Speaker 8: fought and eventually did make the Italians, you know, go running.

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Speaker 8: And it's another period for the world's black people to

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Speaker 8: be proud of. And it debunks so many myths about

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Speaker 8: what Italy says they did in a Ethiopia. It's like

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Speaker 8: all of the colonial powers brag about how they developed

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Speaker 8: the underdeveloped people. They create institutions and educate people. The

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Speaker 8: times were of course lying, and Great Britain was lying

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Speaker 8: also historically about their role in Italy. So this this

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Speaker 8: really attempts to correct that record. And how you can

890
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Speaker 8: talk about it more.

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Speaker 9: More than my brothers. But it's also about the really

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Speaker 9: the ever going Pan African manifestation. This is also the

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Speaker 9: historical time that really brought a lot of the Pan

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Speaker 9: African consciousness of the people, a lot of the Pan Africanists.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 9: This is the incident that brought a unity amongst different

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Speaker 9: forces of the Pan African visionaries. And so for me,

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Speaker 9: I felt it took it took long to do the film,

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Speaker 9: but it's a film that I do believe pays tribute

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Speaker 9: to also my people who actually fought and defeated the

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Speaker 9: you know, fascist Italy without having equally armed with the

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Speaker 9: same kind of armament power, you know, and.

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Speaker 1: That resistance is not told as it should be told.

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm glad that you did this movie highly

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Speaker 1: but highly. Was this a personal thing for you as well?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't know if you have the livelet, but

908
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Speaker 9: you'll see my father looking at all of us. My

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Speaker 9: father thought he was in the gorilla warfare phase of

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Speaker 9: the struggle, uh, and he actually documented, wrote books, and

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Speaker 9: he was also a playwright. So you did play about

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Speaker 9: the you know, throughout before they even the Italians even

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Speaker 9: dared to try to breach the second time, he wrote

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Speaker 9: plays that mobilized a lot of young Euthopians in that

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Speaker 9: in our region where I come from, to raise their

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Speaker 9: consciousness and expect to resist the Italians.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Shery Conn you just got back from Germany and

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Speaker 1: guys won an award. Can you share that with us

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Speaker 1: for the movie?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we were really well received at the Berlin Film Festival.

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Speaker 8: It's called the Berlin Now and it's an international festival

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Speaker 8: where films can many films can be premiered from around

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Speaker 8: the world. We premiered San Coca there and it did

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Speaker 8: very very well and we were so that was how

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Speaker 8: many decades later we came back with this film and

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Speaker 8: they treated it with equal respect. They showed the entire

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Speaker 8: ten hours. We had a great Q and A afterwards

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Speaker 8: with a very eager audience, and we won an award.

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Speaker 8: We won the Forum Camera Award, which we think, you know,

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Speaker 8: seth helps to set the tone for where we're going

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Speaker 8: to go from here. That was the world premiere and

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Speaker 8: now we're hoping to distribute it throughout the rest of

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Speaker 8: the well this country and the rest of the world.

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Speaker 8: We hope that the distribution path won't be as challenging

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Speaker 8: as the same copa distribution path. But that's the phase

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Speaker 8: we're in now, all right.

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Speaker 1: Off the top of that that sister Shark Kanama also

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Speaker 1: highly Grima's our guests, we're talking about that new project

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Speaker 1: that they're working on is going to debut this weekend

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Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. They did it overseas, Black Lion,

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Speaker 1: Roman Wolves highly. How important is it for black people

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Speaker 1: to tell the story and instead of leaving up to

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Speaker 1: the other folks. We heard what Spike Lee had to

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Speaker 1: go through doing Malcolm X and he ran out of

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Speaker 1: money and some entertainers and athletes pitched in to make

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Speaker 1: sure the movie was did the Malcolm or excess title?

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Speaker 4: The movie was made?

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Speaker 1: How important is it and how much? How much does

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Speaker 1: it cost to do all of this? Because I know

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Speaker 1: it's it's got, it's got. You know, you got to

952
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Speaker 1: have funding to do it, and you probably need some

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Speaker 1: help in doing this.

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Speaker 9: So explain that for us, well, you know, of course,

955
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Speaker 9: you know, I sure again I co produced the film

956
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Speaker 9: together and my sister who passed also was the co producer.

957
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Speaker 9: And what for me, you know, our whole idea is

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Speaker 9: I think, you know, our young people, you know, their

959
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 9: capacity to be history makers is hostaged by white supremacy.

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Speaker 9: And it's very critical that all conflict, all history, you know,

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Speaker 9: the core, the core center of the conflict is who

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Speaker 9: owns the story, who manifests the story, what kind of

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Speaker 9: point of view interpretation. In my case, for example, with

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Speaker 9: this film, my people did not have camera to film

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Speaker 9: the battle. So what I'm using is the archive of

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Speaker 9: the fascist Italians who pointed the camera like gun to

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Speaker 9: demonize and miss, you know, misrepresent the humanity of my people.

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Speaker 9: So now the struggle is why it took long, is

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Speaker 9: to see how to turn around this camera against the

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Speaker 9: very white supremacist point of view and you know, empower

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Speaker 9: my own point of view, my own story. And so

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Speaker 9: the struggle is in this but to me, my brother's story.

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Speaker 9: Once wease, once we lose the story, once the story

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Speaker 9: is being told by other people, which I think is

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Speaker 9: the dilemma we have now for this lingering issue of

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Speaker 9: racism and white supremacy and divisions about because our story

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Speaker 9: is mortgaged. It's our story. African people's story is mortgaged

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Speaker 9: by white supremacy, white supremacy that wants to justify this.

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Speaker 9: You know, that there was never slavery, they was never colonialism,

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Speaker 9: there was never racism. This is this is a recycling

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Speaker 9: of white the white you know superstructure's power over our

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Speaker 9: over our people. So story is is a form of exorcism,

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Speaker 9: It's something it's exercises and empower and make our young

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Speaker 9: people not just spectator as a white action white history,

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Speaker 9: but makes them history makers. And I think that is

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Speaker 9: you know, every generation has to empower and take grab

987
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Speaker 9: hold of the storytelling power to make sure that our story,

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00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 9: our children know. That's the gun, that's the most impotent weapon.

989
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 9: In some societies they call it, you know, the Senate especially,

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Speaker 9: they called it the new hydrogen bomb. And so for me,

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Speaker 9: I hope that we will inspire young people so to

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Speaker 9: make from this chapter that we made, they can. There's

993
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Speaker 9: so many, you know, small chapters to depart from to

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Speaker 9: make major films and dramatic films from them.

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Speaker 1: Sixteen half the top there with highly agreement and Shark

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Speaker 1: Conna his wife. They've got a new project called Black Lion,

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Speaker 1: Roman Wolves and the backdrop of this family, he said.

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Speaker 4: Ethiopia.

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Speaker 1: Ethiopia was the only country not colonized and the rest

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Speaker 1: of the countries on the African content, all were colonized,

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Speaker 1: and sister, we could tell me how did how did

1002
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Speaker 1: how did Ethiopia manage that? What's so special about Ethiopia?

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Speaker 1: They were never colonized, So I guess how they.

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Speaker 8: Can answer that better. But from my point of view

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01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 8: on I'm from Detroit, but I do very much respect

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Speaker 8: to indulgent in the Ethiopian story. But I know that

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Speaker 8: if you for Black Americans, for example, as a beacon

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Speaker 8: of hope, even from you know, biblical times down, historically,

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Speaker 8: black people in the diaspora have looked toward Ethiopia, you know,

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Speaker 8: as the place that we always want to protect and

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01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 8: look toward for inspiration. And you can even see during

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Speaker 8: and this is something that will show on Friday at

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01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:32,479
Speaker 8: our advanced preview of the film. We'll see black people

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Speaker 8: in the diaspora signing up to fight, to go fight

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Speaker 8: in Ethiopia.

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Speaker 4: It's just a.

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Speaker 1: Chicana hold that thought right there. We've got to step

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Speaker 1: us out for a few months. How let you pick

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Speaker 1: it up on the other side, family, you two want

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Speaker 1: to jump in on this conversation with highly Agreema and

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01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: his wife sih Ghana reach out to us at eight

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Speaker 1: hundred four five zero seventy eight seventy six, and we'll

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Speaker 1: take your phone calls next and Grand Rising Family, thanks

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Speaker 1: for staying with us on this Monday morning, thanks for

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Speaker 1: starting a week with us. And our guest right now

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Speaker 1: is a movie maker, highly Agreement and his wife, Sherry Conna.

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Speaker 1: They've got a new project coming out. It's called The

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Speaker 1: Black Lion Roman Wolves, and it's about the fight for

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Speaker 1: Ethiopia's independence, fighting against the Italians, and it's won the

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Speaker 1: top of water the Berlin Film Festival last week's and

1031
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Speaker 1: they hail this morning, we're discussing the movie. It's cause

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Speaker 1: you're in the debut in the Washington DC Era this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Before we left, we speaking with sister Sherry Connics. I'll

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Speaker 1: let you finish your thought.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I was saying that how the black diaspora has

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Speaker 8: revered the Ethiopian independence and mythology forever, and when Ethiopia

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Speaker 8: was invaded in the nineteen thirty five, how people were

1038
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Speaker 8: were rallying around the world to make sure that they

1039
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Speaker 8: could participate in the defense of Ethiopia. It was like, oh, no, no,

1040
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Speaker 8: we know you guys that the imperiless powers were invading

1041
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 8: places all around the world. When they touched Ethiopia, it

1042
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 8: was like a last straw. So we have footage of

1043
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 8: people signing up in Harlem to go fight and Piopia.

1044
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Speaker 8: We have footage of the Black bomber going to He

1045
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Speaker 8: was a Tuskegee airman and he went to Ethiopia to

1046
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Speaker 8: assist and train Ethiopians in flying and also to participate

1047
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Speaker 8: in Ethiopia's defense. There were people who were there were

1048
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Speaker 8: a number of organizations around the world who were rallying

1049
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Speaker 8: to send funds with Theopia. When the entire the world's

1050
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Speaker 8: governments turned their back on Ethiopian said nope, we're not

1051
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Speaker 8: supporting you. We're going to support Italy. Either under the

1052
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 8: table or overtly, they were supporting Italy.

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Speaker 6: So that was a very.

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Speaker 8: Important sort of Pan African indicator of how black people

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Speaker 8: want to support each other around the world and will

1056
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Speaker 8: fight to support each other literally around the world and

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Speaker 8: have the capacity to do that.

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Speaker 1: Twenty at that top, highly what was it about the

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Speaker 1: Ethiopian people that they would stood all the attacks? You

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Speaker 1: when you look at all the content, it's divided at

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Speaker 1: the Berlin Conference or all these European colonizers too, but

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Speaker 1: they couldn't take Ethiopia. What was it about the Etho

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Speaker 1: people that resisted?

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Speaker 9: Well, you know, one, you know, we Ethiopia has this

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Speaker 9: amazing conventional uh art of war. It's not only physically

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Speaker 9: you know, physically manifested, but it's also psychologically manifested. Ethiopians have.

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Speaker 9: You wouldn't believe it. You're seeing the film, the different

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Speaker 9: facets I detail these things, including the hairdoo, including what

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Speaker 9: we call fukara.

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Speaker 5: There's this you know.

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Speaker 9: Call an answer warriors would do which shape you know,

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Speaker 9: you know, literally trembles Italians from a distance just listening

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Speaker 9: to Ethiopians, and that's always underplayed even when although in

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Speaker 9: Ethiopia is when the Second World War began in nineteen

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Speaker 9: thirty five, before Italer and everything, the Ethiopian is, this

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Speaker 9: history is only like three seconds in white people's documentary

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Speaker 9: films throughout. So to me, even the idea of the

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Speaker 9: Roman Wolf, you know, the Italians knew it's not only

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Speaker 9: occupying Ethiopia to take over the resources, but was also

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Speaker 9: to replace the history. Like the Lion represents the black

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01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 9: lion who represents history, the Roman Wolf represents history. So

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Speaker 9: they took first, you know, as they entered Adisaba, the

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Speaker 9: capital city. They took the lion to Rome and danced

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Speaker 9: and had like celebration. They took the obelisk, the axiom

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Speaker 9: oblist celebration. They brought the wolf into Ethiopia. And so

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Speaker 9: people we I myself was miseducated about the really the

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Speaker 9: the historical uh you know, war to erase Ethiopian's history

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Speaker 9: and so doing African history. And there are spokespeople in

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Speaker 9: the film who will tell you the meaning of this

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Speaker 9: whole triumph on the part of Ethiopians and the kind

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Speaker 9: of message it's it's you know, yeah, conveyed throughout the

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Speaker 9: Pan African world. And so most most Pan African leaders

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01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 9: knew this issue, and they knew this was a president

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Speaker 9: and that and even the Europeans united again to make

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Speaker 9: sure that a black nation cannot go on unpunished. And

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Speaker 9: that's what Shweigiana was talking about in the sense that

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Speaker 9: you know, in the League of Nation the only African country,

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Speaker 9: Ethiopia nineteen in the nineteen thirties was betrayed and handed

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Speaker 9: in a silver plates to Mussolini. And so the Ethiopia

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Speaker 9: is the crust of the battle ground in my view,

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Speaker 9: and that's why I think a lot of the Pan

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Speaker 9: African flag. You know, germanates out of Ethiopia. Every African

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Speaker 9: country takes samples out of the Ethiopian flag. Every African

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Speaker 9: country in volks Ethiopia when they, you know, get their

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Speaker 9: independence or secure their independence. Even the ones who came

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Speaker 9: to fight and against the Italians with the British at

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Speaker 9: one point, they too were infected by this whole audacity,

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Speaker 9: the Ethiopian audacity looking at white people are beatable, they

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Speaker 9: can be triumphed over, et cetera. So these are now

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Speaker 9: we look at you know, we're bringing that whole thing

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Speaker 9: up with this film.

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Speaker 4: Will we ask you this is this taught in the

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Speaker 4: schools in Ethiopia. Highly you know, no, I was listen.

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Speaker 9: I was myself. My father is a play right, I

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Speaker 9: was in his place. I knew this whole thing. But

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Speaker 9: I thought, you know, I thought the British Freders. That's

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Speaker 9: how they because they took over our educational system. Ethiopian

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Speaker 9: educational system was completely replaced from its traditional way of

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Speaker 9: teaching by the British because they were the superpowers of this,

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Speaker 9: you know, after the triumph of after the triumph over

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Speaker 9: Germany and Italy, they took over the educational system brought

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Speaker 9: their own colonial teachers to teach us, mis educate us.

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Speaker 9: That's why Woodson Carter speaks to me more than anybody

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Speaker 9: I claimed, because mis education is real. You know, here's

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Speaker 9: a under my nose, the history of my people, and

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Speaker 9: I was miseducated, allowed my at least by my society,

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Speaker 9: allowed to be miss a generation of mis educated Ethopians.

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Speaker 9: So no, it's not taught. But I think as I'm

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Speaker 9: concerned the fact, I'll tell you it's more known outside

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Speaker 9: sometimes in Eopia taken for granted.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, because I know the fact that

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Speaker 1: Ethiopia is the only country to now to colonize I know,

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Speaker 1: and we talked about Pan Afganism and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: Pan Africanists always look up to Ethiopia because you know,

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Speaker 1: the resistance fought back and if the other African countries

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Speaker 1: on this, on the African states and on the continent

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Speaker 1: that done the same, we would be we wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: the issues we have today. But Shara Kane, the book

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Speaker 1: speaks to concepts of African liberation and Pan Afganism.

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Speaker 4: Can you address that issue for us?

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Speaker 8: So Black lions Roman worlds by the way, which we are.

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Speaker 8: We are that premiering, but we're showing a section of it.

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Speaker 8: This ten hour film, just a section of it is

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Speaker 8: Friday at the Lincoln Theater. This film tries to make

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Speaker 8: sure that the world knows about Ethiopia as a center

1146
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Speaker 8: for resistance in this fight for Ethiopian I'm sorry against Italy,

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Speaker 8: and I think that what Holly was saying about the

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Speaker 8: world looking at that as a centerpiece is very important.

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Speaker 8: Why is that important for the rest of the world.

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Speaker 8: I think it's in what you were saying, Carl, that

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Speaker 8: the diaspora throughout the world needs to know its victory.

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Speaker 8: I mean, if you look at Haiti, for example, Haiti

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Speaker 8: is one most you know, it was the first liberated

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Speaker 8: country for liberating itself out of slavery, and they've been

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Speaker 8: paying the price ever since. So the Western world couldnot

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01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 8: take the fact that people of color fought against and

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Speaker 8: kicked them out, and the same thing happened in Ethiopia.

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Speaker 8: The reason that the Italians came back in nineteen thirty five,

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Speaker 8: they had come during Adwa in eighteen ninety six and

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Speaker 8: they were kicked out then. And Italians couldn't take the

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Speaker 8: humanation of being the so called only white power that

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Speaker 8: could not defeat a country of color, where all these

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Speaker 8: other countries were, you know, just scooping up African countries.

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Speaker 8: Of course, with resistance. In all those countries, people resisted,

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Speaker 8: and Italy was ultimately defeated at the Battle of Ottawa.

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Speaker 8: So they raised their children with these songs, Oh, you know,

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Speaker 8: we're going to go back and get these monkeys, you know.

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Speaker 8: They they had all kinds of terms that they were

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Speaker 8: teaching their children about Ethiopia as monkeys and animals that

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Speaker 8: were going to defeat. So when Mussolini came to power,

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Speaker 8: he came to power riding on this determination to come

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Speaker 8: back and defeat these monkeys.

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Speaker 9: Forty is, he was saying, Mussolini himself, you know this

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Speaker 9: old fashions they were, like Italian's military built up during

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Speaker 9: the nineteen thirties and twenties, and their horizal fashions and

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Speaker 9: is basically founded on each Eiopian humiliation. They you know,

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Speaker 9: the fact they were humiliated by Ethiopia by a black race,

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Speaker 9: and they felt we have to go back and punish them.

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Speaker 9: And they were singing songs for forty years. And he

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Speaker 9: would say forty years, Shane is over. Basta enough we

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Speaker 9: gotta go punish them. So the whole many people do

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Speaker 9: not know. For me now after having this film and

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01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 9: you know, done it researched, I know, the whole build

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Speaker 9: up of Italian militarism and fascism is based on silencing

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Speaker 9: and conquering and colonizing Ethiopia and so by so doing,

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Speaker 9: you know, restoring the Roman glory. This is the biggest

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Speaker 9: thing that's forgotten, you know, for me, that whole build up,

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Speaker 9: before Hitler arrives, before Poland, before he goes to Austria,

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Speaker 9: et cetera. The first place where they punished Ethiopians with

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Speaker 9: poison gas is in Ethiopia. Millions of Ethiopians have died,

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Speaker 9: nobody counts them even And so for me, that hole,

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Speaker 9: you know, that whole obsession that coming out of the

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Speaker 9: Humiliation of eighteen ninety six, where Emperor Minilic by the way,

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Speaker 9: you know, Emperor Duke Ellington and a brother called what's

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Speaker 9: his name, they composed the music called Minilik the line

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Speaker 9: of Judah we played in the film, and a lot

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Speaker 9: of like poetries were written by Limestone hused when the

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Speaker 9: war was happening in nineteen thirty five, et cetera. So

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Speaker 9: you can see that the Pan African movement was actually

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Speaker 9: up in arms to defend Ethiopia with whatever means they had,

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Speaker 9: and even that threatened the American superstructure, for example.

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Speaker 8: I think it's also important to see collaborate a bit

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01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 8: on the timing of this invasion. It really was a

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01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 8: dress rehearsal for what became World War Two. So, you know,

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01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 8: I think that the fascists were thinking, Okay, we're going

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Speaker 8: to remount this Roman glory that they had lost over

1207
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 8: the last you know, the previous decades, and we're going

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01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 8: to take what they thought of was the low hanging fruit.

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Speaker 8: Ethiopia was a country of black people, savages, blah blah blah,

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Speaker 8: and we're going to show the world that we can

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Speaker 8: defeat them, get our glory back, and then go on

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Speaker 8: to other countries in Europe. So it's always a mistake

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01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 8: what the world always mistakes racism as petty. But had

1214
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 8: the world stood up for black people in Ethiopia, had

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01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 8: the world, you know, ever stood up for black people

1216
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 8: in Haiti, in Congo, you know, the atrocities that have

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01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 8: been bestowed on black people around the world, have they

1218
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 8: stood up, we would have avoided so much horror and tragedy.

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Speaker 8: Maybe World War two would have been averted. Have they

1220
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Speaker 8: been pushed back? Has the passion has been pushed back

1221
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Speaker 8: in time? But no, No, The black people and people

1222
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 8: of color on the world are expendable, exploitable and need

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01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 8: to always be made a stage for the rest of

1224
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 8: the world to operate from. So here we are in

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Speaker 8: twenty twenty six, we have to correct the story, not

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Speaker 8: just an Ethiopia, but wherever we find ourselves. We have

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Speaker 8: to correct the story from our point of view so

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Speaker 8: that we can always realize that we are victors. You know,

1229
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Speaker 8: the fact that we're still here to tell our story

1230
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Speaker 8: is a statement of victory. I'm still privileged as a

1231
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Speaker 8: filmmaker to be to be able to be in a

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Speaker 8: position to do some of that. This film took thirty

1233
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Speaker 8: years to make, and what we are, you know, we

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01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 8: are in a position to be able to share this

1235
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Speaker 8: film with the public now after a thirty years struggled

1236
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Speaker 8: to get it completed.

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Speaker 1: Twenty five away from the top of our and highly careermers,

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01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 1: I Guess and his wife also Srika, They've just completed

1239
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,560
Speaker 1: their latest project, as she said, took thirty years. The

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01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 1: title is Black lion Roman wolves. Is how the Ethiopians

1241
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 1: defeated the Italians or highly when you talk about stuff

1242
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 1: like that. You mentioned empres Menlik and you know, we've

1243
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 1: got some rosters who listened to us, and they want

1244
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 1: to know the role of Emperor Menlik in defeating the Italians.

1245
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Speaker 1: Can you help us out for his brothers who are listening.

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01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 9: Well, the Emperor Mendic is in the first battle. You know,

1247
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 9: he was the emperor and he's the one who defeated

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Speaker 9: the Italians at Padua. And that is the crux of

1249
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 9: the whole although they were before that attempts to take

1250
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 9: it doing the emperor your hardness before you know, the

1251
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 9: king before Minilik, and they were defeated, always repelled by

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01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 9: the different empires of Ethiopia. The final one, the nineteen

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Speaker 9: thirty five one, is when Hydros LASSI was the Emperor

1254
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 9: of Ethiopia and it is during his time this whole

1255
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 9: battle took place in the sense of the frontal battle.

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Speaker 9: For example, the first encounter with the Italians were six

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Speaker 9: or seven major battles that took place in different regions

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Speaker 9: as the Italians, you know, were making their incursion or

1259
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 9: breaching Ethiopia and coming from the north and the south

1260
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 9: with their military power, and those early battle confrontations were

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Speaker 9: by the you know, the war ministers and Russia's and

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01:17:58,040 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 9: generals of Lati.

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Speaker 5: Was fought.

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Speaker 9: But the thing what happened people do not know is

1265
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:11,440
Speaker 9: the Gordon the warfare was the second phase of the confrontation.

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01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 9: The big offensive war was Idiopia were defeated literally by guys.

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Speaker 9: They couldn't overcome the airplane armed.

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Speaker 1: Right and hold up right there, Highly, we gotta take

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Speaker 1: a short break the check the news, trafficking weather and

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Speaker 1: at different cities. Family, just waking up, just checking in.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's highly Griema and his wife Sarah Conna.

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Speaker 1: They're discussing their latest project, the movie called Black Lion

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01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 1: Roman Wolves is going to debut this weekend in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 1: You want to join this conversation, got a question, reach

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01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 1: out to us at eight hundred four or five zero

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Speaker 1: seventy eight seventy six and we'll taking calls as we

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Speaker 1: check the news, trafficking weather in different cities. So it's

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Speaker 1: next and Grand Rising family, Thanks for staying with us,

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Speaker 1: and thanks for starting your week with us. Sixteen minutes

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Speaker 1: away from the top of the with our guest Haili

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01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 1: Grima and his wife Sarah Conna, discussing their new project

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Speaker 1: called Black Lion Roman Wolves. It's a documentary took him

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Speaker 1: thirty years to make this. Before we go back to

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Speaker 1: the elements, remind you come up latest morning, we speak

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Speaker 1: with the founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice, Attorney

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01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 1: Maliite Shabaz, and later this week you're going to hear

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Speaker 1: from an attorney Fire Rose to Ray. Also, chemtologist Tony

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Speaker 1: Brad will be here. The founder of the University of

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Speaker 1: African People's Organization, Brother Zaki Bruty, will stop by. The

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Speaker 1: Master Teacher asked for a question, also check in along

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Speaker 1: with one of the Gregory's sons, Johans, will join us. So,

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Speaker 1: if you are in Baltimore, make sure your radio is

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Speaker 1: locked in tight on ten ten WLB or if you're

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Speaker 1: in the DMV, wereund fourteen fifty WL. So, brother Hidi,

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Speaker 1: I'll let you finish your thought. We'll interrupted to go

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Speaker 1: to the news.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't know where I left it, but I'll try.

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Speaker 9: The you know, the generals and the offensive war I

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Speaker 9: was explaining to you was lost, overpowered by the amassed

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Speaker 9: power of the guns and the airplanes and the tanks

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Speaker 9: a Ethiopians just basically with you know, regular arms and

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Speaker 9: guns and swords. But what happened, I think critical was

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Speaker 9: then the war shifted into gorilla warfare. That is when

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Speaker 9: the Ethiopians took the war into their advantage. And there

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Speaker 9: were also debates earlier to do gorilla warfare or straight

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Speaker 9: out like Adua, and I think the gorilla warfare in

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Speaker 9: the end did the job all right.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen away from the top of shary cone. Is this

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Speaker 1: a documentary or is it a movie or somewhere in between?

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Speaker 1: How would you describe it?

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Speaker 8: It's a documentary and it is It allows people who

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Speaker 8: participate in the war who highly had to kind of

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Speaker 8: search out throughout Ethiopia, the various groups of people and

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Speaker 8: individuals that had participated in the world who were still living.

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Speaker 8: It features them saying what happened. It lets them talk

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Speaker 8: about how they bought back, what their strategy was, what

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Speaker 8: Italians really did to them during the war.

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Speaker 10: And so it does.

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Speaker 8: It's definitely a documentary and there will be subtitles, and

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Speaker 8: so people need to be able to come knowing that

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Speaker 8: they're going to understand that they're going to learn something

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Speaker 8: about Ethiopia and also learn something about the culture of Ethiopia.

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Speaker 8: The soundtrack, for example, is amazing. We've already had people

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Speaker 8: contacting us asking for a copy of the soundtrack because

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Speaker 8: it features people who are you know, committed to preserving

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Speaker 8: the culture and the traditions of Ethiopia. There's the soundtrack,

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Speaker 8: the song by Ostala, who is an amazing contempt career

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Speaker 8: senior in Ethiopia who preserves this way of seeing and

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Speaker 8: it just took of fast people when you hear him saying, so,

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Speaker 8: that's the experience that people are going to get when

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Speaker 8: you come to see the documentary.

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Speaker 1: All right, twelve away from the topic again, that documentary

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01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 1: is Black Lion Roman Wolves. That's Kanah and Highly Kharima.

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Speaker 1: This is their movie there, as I mentioned, thirty years

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Speaker 1: to produce. Is it debid in Ethiopia yet Highly Theian

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Speaker 1: people had a chance.

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Speaker 4: To watch it.

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Speaker 9: No, not yet, not yet. We are working now, just

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Speaker 9: as you know Shirk told you earlier. We premiered it

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01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 9: in Germany and now we are really preparing the different

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01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 9: facets of distribution. One to Ethiopia, two in the rest

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Speaker 9: of Africa, and three here in the US and Europe.

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01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 9: Et cetera in Latin America and Brazil, we hoped because

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Speaker 9: that's where our earlier films have been distributed, and that's

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Speaker 9: what we're hoping to work out. But it's in five parts.

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Speaker 9: The five parts is really the journey of the whole

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01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:10,639
Speaker 9: historical landscape. And as Sherick told you, the warriors, including

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Speaker 9: my father, died early, and so I was lucky to

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01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:18,680
Speaker 9: catch some of them before they died. And that was

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Speaker 9: like twenty years ago, thirty years ago, etc. So the

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Speaker 9: witness these are the people who witnessed, saw fought, or

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01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 9: were young people at the time.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that was an incredible victory, hardly because

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01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 8: you did catch people before they died, even though you

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Speaker 8: filmed them, you know, thirty or twenty or thirty years

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01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:46,719
Speaker 8: ago as you were shooting this over time, you caught

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Speaker 8: them before they passed. So now their lineage can see

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Speaker 8: how they participated in this resistance.

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Speaker 9: So that was a real victory.

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Speaker 8: I'm quite proud that we achieved.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we're proud of all the products that you've shared

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01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:03,720
Speaker 1: with us since you guys been making movies are great,

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01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 1: you know, so hopefully this will just be up there

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Speaker 1: as well. But the palet Adowa. If we go to

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Speaker 1: Adowa right now, will the people know what we're talking about?

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Speaker 1: If we watched the documentary, Oh, I gotta go to

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Speaker 1: Ethiopia to Adowa. I know you're going to go to

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Speaker 1: Addis because that's the capital, and and some other cities too,

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Speaker 1: But would we go to if we go to Adwa,

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Speaker 1: will they know the story the people live there?

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Speaker 4: Currently?

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Speaker 7: It is?

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Speaker 9: It is, it's like it's vague, it's it's around the

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Speaker 9: songs and the people's memory here and there, because that's

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Speaker 9: the actual When I traveled in this landscape with a camera,

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Speaker 9: That's what I was asking. But what I was able

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Speaker 9: to pick up is the residual of that war. The

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01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:55,560
Speaker 9: scar of that war was around. I was able to

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Speaker 9: capture by sometimes sheer lack, you know. Look, example, there's

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Speaker 9: a woman who came at me and I was looking

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Speaker 9: for all elderly people, and a woman came at me

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Speaker 9: and she said, can you help me find my father?

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01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 9: I said, who's your father? This Italian fascist? She has

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Speaker 9: a picture and apparently her mother was given away to

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Speaker 9: an Italian soldier and she was born and that just

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Speaker 9: you know, froze me in my tracks because I was

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Speaker 9: looking for glorious history and suddenly there's a woman here

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Speaker 9: searching for her father, and can I help her find out?

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Speaker 9: So in other words, I'm finding residuals of the whole.

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Speaker 9: It's like booby trap of history, not straight out but indirectly,

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01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 9: but in some places straight direct because the scar still is,

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Speaker 9: you know, passed down differently in different locations.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I got to ask you this at nine

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01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:59,560
Speaker 1: away from the top of the Catholic Church was a

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01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 1: Catholic Church formed back then?

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Speaker 4: If so? Did they play a role in.

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Speaker 11: All of this?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 9: My god, they blessed the whole war. In fact, that

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Speaker 9: is what is part of the film My Father's you know,

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Speaker 9: I'm using my father as a voiceover narrator. Joined, you know, joined,

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01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 9: we joined like narration. But what it's all about is

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01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 9: the fact that he wrote the the Torment, the Bell

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01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 9: of Torment in America Makara Dole, which which literally is

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01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:34,800
Speaker 9: indicting the church. You know, the role the Catholic Church

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Speaker 9: played in the uh, you know, nurturing, encouraging, blessing the

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01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 9: soldiers even in battlefield places. Yeah, I have the footages

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01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 9: I was able to you know, secure and and show

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01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:55,120
Speaker 9: that that you know that issue.

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Speaker 8: One of the things Charles this made me think of

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01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 8: was in the film and I'm not sure if it's

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Speaker 8: going to be in the part that we show on Friday.

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Speaker 8: There is the juxtaposition of Italian soldiers putting bombs, just

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Speaker 8: placing bombs on a tree, and that's texaposed with the

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01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 8: Italian Pope blessing the war effort, and that the reason

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01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 8: that those bombs are being hung from trees is because

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01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:32,679
Speaker 8: it was during Christmas time and this was a Christmas

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01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 8: gift to Ethiopia, so it's sort of a ritual they

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01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 8: did just before you know, this horrible bombing took place

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Speaker 8: on Christmas Day.

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01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's the whole chapter called the Christmas Bombing that

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01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 9: you know nobody knows literally And Sharik said, you know

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01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 9: they were for every targeted village and location, they had

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Speaker 9: a bomb in the tree. Yep.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Six away from the topic, I took my breath away.

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Speaker 1: I can just visually see what you shared with us,

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01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 1: brother highly But Jeanette and Louisiana has a question for

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01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,880
Speaker 1: Higley and Sharry Connor Janet's online one Grand Rising. Jeanette,

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Speaker 1: your question for brother Hiley Garima and his wife is

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01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:24,800
Speaker 1: Sharry Connor, the same for.

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Speaker 6: You and your kids.

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Speaker 12: Good morning, and thank you for taking my call. Would

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01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:30,680
Speaker 12: you go ahead and speak and you almost took the

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01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 12: question out of my mouth, mister Nelson, would you speak

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01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:35,439
Speaker 12: on the open Bible?

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Speaker 6: And uh?

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01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:40,680
Speaker 12: Also, I would like to know if King James Banding

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01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 12: the books of the Bible, of the twenty two books

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01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 12: that's not in his version of the Bible.

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Speaker 9: Thank you well, I wish I could, my sister, I am.

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01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:55,760
Speaker 9: I need to study that. I know that you know

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01:28:56,240 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 9: very you know superficially that detailpions have their own Bible,

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01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 9: and I'm having in Giz, you know, in Tegrina, and

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01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 9: so there are more other people who are fluent. I

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01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 9: would make a mistake to really speak to that. But

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01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 9: I know we we have the Bible in our original

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01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 9: Giz language. Gears is like what's Latin to English. We

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01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:25,600
Speaker 9: had this old language and our Bible is written in that,

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01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:27,599
Speaker 9: and to me it's original Bible.

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01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:31,559
Speaker 1: I asked this question, do you think this movie will

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01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 1: bring to the different factions in Ethiopia, bring them together

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01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 1: to gray the other countries that are the sections who

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01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:40,040
Speaker 1: want to break away? Do you think this a film

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01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:42,840
Speaker 1: like this? Could you know they could they could rally around.

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Speaker 9: Well, I'll tell you this, my brother, I know the

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01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 9: ethnic religious division, and I show elaborately the work Italian

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01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:59,959
Speaker 9: scholars did, for example, in Ethiopia to study the divine

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01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:07,479
Speaker 9: ethnically Ethiopia, religiously Ethiopia. And so forty years work the

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01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 9: Italians did in Ethiopia. Mythologically, Ethiopians knew that the Italians

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01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 9: will come back forty years later. This is this word

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01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 9: forty years itself is embedded in the in the tap

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01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 9: story of Ethiopian folklore and uh songs and uh you

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01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:31,840
Speaker 9: know children's story and so the you know, the the

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01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 9: idea that Italians studied Ethiopian division when they lost at Adua.

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01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 9: Then a big mistake made by all different risks, you know,

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01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:48,280
Speaker 9: emperors and kings, is to let Italians have embassy all

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01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 9: over Ethiopia, councilor all over Ethiopia, and using that as

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01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:57,600
Speaker 9: a cover, studied Ethiopia in and out and and and

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01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 9: poked into, poked into areas that crust brought the division,

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Speaker 9: the ethnic division and the uh you know, religious divisions.

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Speaker 9: So for me, I present that how they worked, how

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01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 9: they created divided Itiopian to five and brought to five

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01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 9: flags for each region. I bring all that in and

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01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 9: I just hope that the we, all we Ethiopians, will

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01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:31,479
Speaker 9: realize that it's not our making that we you know,

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01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:35,680
Speaker 9: this is the stuff done to create basically what we

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01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 9: have now. So the division and fight and you know,

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01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 9: ethnic conflict is basically a trauma, a traumatic experience that

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01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 9: we are manifesting now. And I hope that people would

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01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 9: see when they see how labor the Italians worked to

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01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 9: bring about what we are now facing. I think, uh

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01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 9: where saying people would realize the you know, the one

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01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:12,080
Speaker 9: their ancestors, the dinosaur Ethiopians, how much they you know,

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01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:13,080
Speaker 9: they tried.

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01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:14,720
Speaker 1: To right and hold I thought right there, highly we

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01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:16,479
Speaker 1: gotta check the traffic and weather in at different cities.

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01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 1: I let you finish your thought. On the other side, family,

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01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 1: you just rolled the name. I guess he's highly grimmy.

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01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:23,000
Speaker 1: He just heard his voice along with his wife shared Conna.

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01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:25,560
Speaker 1: They've got a new project out and a new documentary,

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01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 1: Black Lion Roman Wolves, and it just basically tells how

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01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:32,640
Speaker 1: the Ethiopia resisted being overtaken by the colonized. It's the

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01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 1: only Afghan country that wasn't taken over by the colonizes

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01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:38,640
Speaker 1: on the continent. What are your thoughts eight hundred and

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01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 1: four five zero seventy eight seventy six take your phone

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01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 1: calls after we check the traffic and weather. It's next

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01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:46,720
Speaker 1: and Grand Rising family, thanks for staying with us on

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Speaker 1: this Monday morning. Thanks for starting your week with us.

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Speaker 1: I guess highly Garrima and his wife, sirry Connor Garima

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Speaker 1: I'm discussing their new project is called Black Lion Roman Wolves,

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01:32:57,080 --> 01:32:59,840
Speaker 1: and it's going to debut in Washington, DC this weekend.

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Speaker 1: So brother Hidey, I'll let you finish your thought.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, And as I was saying, you know, the if

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01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:08,640
Speaker 9: we you know, we can bask those of us, we

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01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 9: can bask on the kind of history making act our

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01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:18,360
Speaker 9: ancestors left us to be proud of. And my hope

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01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 9: is that it would be a uniting, a uniting you know,

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Speaker 9: uh fast force for our people to you know, to

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01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 9: look at it and say, you know, sometimes, you know,

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01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 9: I think we don't know that you know who's who

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01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 9: who who played a role in our freedom and our resistance.

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01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:42,600
Speaker 9: Although it's a handful of Ethiopians who went into go

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01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:47,400
Speaker 9: in the warfare, but it represents all groups, all ethnic

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01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:51,920
Speaker 9: or religious groups who fought, you know, in the resistance movement.

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01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 9: So for me illustrating that meticulously as I hope I did,

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01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:02,839
Speaker 9: could make us try as send and see the history inherit,

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01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:07,040
Speaker 9: the history making in legacy. Our ancestors have left us,

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01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:08,760
Speaker 9: all right.

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Speaker 1: Hold off, all right there, far away from the top,

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01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 1: turning malice shabaza on deck. We'll get to a momentarily.

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01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:15,560
Speaker 1: But Jane in Pikesville has a question for highly and

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01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:19,599
Speaker 1: Shirka Jeane grand Rising, Yeah, Grand grand Rising.

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Speaker 10: I apologized because I got up a little late this one.

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01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 10: But when I tuned in, you were talking about Ethiopia.

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01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:29,400
Speaker 10: Did you go in your film? Are you going into

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01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:34,560
Speaker 10: you know, Menelik and Queen of Sheba, Solomon and the

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01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:40,280
Speaker 10: promise of the Messiah or you know any or any

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01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:43,000
Speaker 10: of that earlier history in Ethiopia.

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01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:48,640
Speaker 9: No, I didn't, I did not. This is basically a

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01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 9: film about Italians. Italians, the Italian attempt to colonize Itiopia

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01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 9: from eighteen ninety six h even before eighteen eighteen sixty,

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01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 9: et cetera throughout attempted to colonize the Talpia. So it's

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01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:13,680
Speaker 9: really from there to fascist the fascist Italian period. So

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01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 9: it's really in paramidic the second, not the first you're

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01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:22,760
Speaker 9: talking about, but the second. And also Emperior Highs lost

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01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 9: his time, all.

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01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 1: Right, sixth half top. This is Sirkana. So what's going

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01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:29,799
Speaker 1: to happen On Friday?

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01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 8: Friday? We are having an advanced preview of Black Lions

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01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:41,040
Speaker 8: Roman Wolves at the Lincoln Theater and it starts seven

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01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:45,960
Speaker 8: o'clock and it is ticketed, and our advice people get

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01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 8: their tickets early. The word is getting around and we

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01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 8: don't want people to be in line for a long

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01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 8: time and then missed the program. It's going to be

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01:35:56,640 --> 01:36:02,679
Speaker 8: not only a part of this film being shown. After

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01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:05,720
Speaker 8: the screening, there will be and that the host of

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01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 8: this program is our own Greg Carr. And after the

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01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:14,400
Speaker 8: screening there will be a conversation with Harley and Greg

1550
01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 8: and cinematographer internationally known cinematographer of Bradford Young, and then

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01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 8: there'll be a question answer so the audience can talk

1552
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:31,000
Speaker 8: to highly as well. Then even after that, there's going

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01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:35,519
Speaker 8: to be a wonderful musical program. So there will be

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01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:42,080
Speaker 8: performances by our own Aana, Gregory Wayna who DC loves

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01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:45,800
Speaker 8: and the Curtis family. C Note is coming to DC

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01:36:46,040 --> 01:36:50,439
Speaker 8: to do a performance at the event, and also lying

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01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:53,519
Speaker 8: Mataca is going to have poetry at the event. So

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01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 8: it's going to be not only an immersion into this

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01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:02,920
Speaker 8: this thirty year endeavor with looking at this film and

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01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:05,920
Speaker 8: talking with Hili, but then there will be also a

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01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:09,000
Speaker 8: musical and poetry component as well.

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Speaker 13: And the.

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Speaker 8: Whole event is going to begin at Friday at the

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01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:20,439
Speaker 8: Lincoln Theater starting at seven o'clock. We also have a

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01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 8: small another component Carol. That morning we are having a

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01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:30,400
Speaker 8: free screening for high school students, meaning there's a matinee

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01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:33,000
Speaker 8: for schools to bring their children. So this is not

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01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 8: something that individuals can walk into. Schools wanting to bring

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01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 8: their their classes can come to a free screening at

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01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:49,760
Speaker 8: ten o'clock at the Lincoln Theater. And okay, that phone

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01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:55,720
Speaker 8: number is two oh two five five six ten fifty four.

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01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:59,880
Speaker 8: That's two oh two five five six, ten fifty four.

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01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:04,320
Speaker 1: And Higland just got a tweet from somebody in Dallas.

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01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:06,240
Speaker 1: They want to know how can they watch it? Well,

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01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:09,439
Speaker 1: when it's going to be available folks around the country,

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01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:12,320
Speaker 1: when can they get getting to watch this movie, this documentary.

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01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:18,320
Speaker 9: Well, at this point we are strategizing the distribution aspect

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01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:21,760
Speaker 9: of the film. In fact, this is a fundraising just

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01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:28,679
Speaker 9: to address that issue. We're trying to fundraise, make enough

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01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 9: prints and then strategize where to open, how to open,

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01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:38,880
Speaker 9: et cetera. Hopefully we could also we would maybe come

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01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:43,360
Speaker 9: in some kind of business arrangement to platform the film.

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01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:47,000
Speaker 9: So it's all all this is under discussion.

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Speaker 4: Now, all right.

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01:38:48,439 --> 01:38:52,640
Speaker 1: If folks want highly and Chicana listening, they want to

1586
01:38:52,720 --> 01:38:55,760
Speaker 1: donate to help in the distribution, because that's that's one

1587
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:57,760
Speaker 1: of the key aspects of what we as the people

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01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:01,599
Speaker 1: when we have a business or any it's distribution. Let

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01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:03,799
Speaker 1: the rest of the country know that this is available.

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01:39:04,160 --> 01:39:07,040
Speaker 1: Is there an email that can go to or somewhere

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01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:08,639
Speaker 1: they can go to if they want to make a donation.

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01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:12,880
Speaker 8: Absolutely, you know, we we operate from our headquarters at

1593
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:16,600
Speaker 8: San Copa Video Bookstoring Cafe on George Avenue, and so

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01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:21,559
Speaker 8: this is there. We're partnering with this effort. People who

1595
01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:24,640
Speaker 8: want to donate can make a tax deductible donation. They

1596
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 8: can go to Sankofa dot com and click on donate.

1597
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:31,479
Speaker 8: There's more information about the film there. There's more information

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01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:36,080
Speaker 8: about the event on Friday, and again that's sankofa dot

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01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:37,680
Speaker 8: com And.

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01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:41,080
Speaker 4: If they're in the DMV, they can stop by the.

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01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:45,599
Speaker 8: Store Yoh yeah, the store is located across from Howard

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01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:49,400
Speaker 8: University on George Avenue. They can come in there and

1603
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:52,360
Speaker 8: people will direct them about how to make donations. Of course,

1604
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:55,800
Speaker 8: they can have a wonderful sandwich named after a filmmaker.

1605
01:39:56,520 --> 01:40:00,479
Speaker 8: They can you know, browse and buy our books. This

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01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:04,640
Speaker 8: our business is we sell books by about people of

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01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:08,840
Speaker 8: African descent. Uh, and we have author events there and

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01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:10,080
Speaker 8: we show films there too.

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01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:10,519
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:14,680
Speaker 9: And also we know Shok is working hard fundraising to

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01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:21,840
Speaker 9: expand the location expanded and also create a small theater,

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01:40:22,479 --> 01:40:27,000
Speaker 9: intimate theater for our community to just uh you know,

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01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:31,080
Speaker 9: be able to screen our films. So we hope that

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01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:31,800
Speaker 9: would be soon.

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01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:34,519
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's I hope you'll stop by there, Carol. It's

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01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:38,560
Speaker 8: we're really trying to make it a larger cultural institution

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01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:42,799
Speaker 8: that is stays rooted in Washington, d C. Despite COVID,

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01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:47,240
Speaker 8: despite gentrification and all kinds of other threats happening right

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01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:50,519
Speaker 8: now that you're aware of. And we are calling it

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01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:54,280
Speaker 8: the same Cope Film Institute. But that's that's another conversation.

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01:40:55,080 --> 01:40:57,559
Speaker 8: But we hope to see you there Friday too as well. Carl.

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01:40:57,920 --> 01:40:59,000
Speaker 8: We'll save the seat for you.

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01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:00,400
Speaker 4: That's to make it.

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01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:03,799
Speaker 1: But I've been, I've been to the books so many times.

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01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:07,120
Speaker 1: Always stop by there and get a chance. But it's

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01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:09,880
Speaker 1: great because you have an ever here too to to

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01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:12,360
Speaker 1: have conversations with folks who come into town or want

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01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:15,160
Speaker 1: to discuss more over their books. I love it over

1629
01:41:15,240 --> 01:41:17,599
Speaker 1: there in Sankofa because you get lost in their family.

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01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:20,040
Speaker 1: If you're looking for black books or any genre of

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01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:22,320
Speaker 1: black books and you're in the d m V, go

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01:41:22,439 --> 01:41:25,200
Speaker 1: to Sankopha, as you mentioned, across the seat from from

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01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:28,960
Speaker 1: Howard University, so you're that's a landmark in Washington, d C.

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01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:32,240
Speaker 1: Down on Georgia Avenue. Thank you guys, thank you and

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01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:35,320
Speaker 1: good luck with this this latest production.

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01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:39,200
Speaker 9: Thank you very much.

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01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 8: Thank you so much for what you do for our community.

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01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:43,759
Speaker 4: Thank you all right. Family.

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01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:47,720
Speaker 1: That's a shir Connor and highly Garima and their new

1640
01:41:47,880 --> 01:41:52,280
Speaker 1: latest project you call Black Lion Roman Wolves. It chronicles

1641
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:56,840
Speaker 1: how Ethiopia resisted being overtaken by the talents Ethiopia. Again,

1642
01:41:57,240 --> 01:41:59,720
Speaker 1: this is important that you need to know. Who's the

1643
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:03,960
Speaker 1: only country was not colonized by by the Europeans during

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01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 1: their attack on Africa when they decided to cut up

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01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:08,600
Speaker 1: out Africa, the Burreling Meeting eight hundred and four or

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01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:10,800
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seven Sixty're gonna need for our

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01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:12,280
Speaker 1: next guest that has to be the founder of the

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01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:16,280
Speaker 1: Black Lawyers for Justice, Attorney Malik Shabbaz Grand Rising. Brother Malik,

1649
01:42:16,479 --> 01:42:18,000
Speaker 1: welcome back to the program.

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01:42:20,040 --> 01:42:22,920
Speaker 5: Grand Rising, Grand Rising, to all of you all in

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01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:25,439
Speaker 5: the audience, and to you, brother Carl Nelson, Thank you

1652
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:27,080
Speaker 5: for having us on.

1653
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:30,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we want to find out what's going on

1654
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:33,120
Speaker 1: in your worlds. We want to talk about the first

1655
01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:34,840
Speaker 1: We want to talk about it because you've got a

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01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:39,120
Speaker 1: conference coming up with designed to unify. I've been watching

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01:42:39,160 --> 01:42:41,240
Speaker 1: you've been on this trip to try to get our

1658
01:42:41,280 --> 01:42:44,840
Speaker 1: people to be unified because we have we have more

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01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:48,120
Speaker 1: in common that we have the indifferences. How's that journey

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01:42:48,640 --> 01:42:52,400
Speaker 1: working out, Brother Malik, Uh.

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01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:55,080
Speaker 5: It works out pretty good. I do want to say

1662
01:42:55,120 --> 01:42:57,280
Speaker 5: to some of my I do have a couple of legal,

1663
01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:00,519
Speaker 5: key legal cases around the country that I do want

1664
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:04,880
Speaker 5: to talk about at some point in this broadcast. But

1665
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:08,160
Speaker 5: when it comes to the subject of unity for our people,

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01:43:09,640 --> 01:43:12,280
Speaker 5: you know, since I've been a Howard University student and

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01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:17,720
Speaker 5: back since the late eighties when I founded an organization

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01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:21,879
Speaker 5: called Unity Nation. You know that has been the primary

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01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:25,839
Speaker 5: base of my political workers trying to bring about unity

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01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:31,519
Speaker 5: amongst our in our struggle, and specifically at that time,

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01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:36,760
Speaker 5: the organization I had was Unity Nation, being heavily influenced

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01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:41,600
Speaker 5: by the Nation of Islam Lewis Farakhan and Khalid Muhammad.

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01:43:42,240 --> 01:43:46,240
Speaker 5: The Unity Nation meant uniting our people with the Nation

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01:43:46,360 --> 01:43:49,519
Speaker 5: of Islam. The things are a little bit different or

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01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:54,200
Speaker 5: have evolved today, but on this Savior's Day weekend or

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01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:57,800
Speaker 5: or period I would say Saviors Day weekend and this

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01:43:58,000 --> 01:44:03,000
Speaker 5: period of time where the nation of this law founding

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01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 5: and fathers are off or honored, then we are We're

1679
01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:10,400
Speaker 5: happy to continue that work as we are this week.

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01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:15,160
Speaker 5: This Thursday, we start a national tribute to the Honorabile

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01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:21,759
Speaker 5: Elijah mohammedy national online conference designed to bring about unity

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01:44:22,760 --> 01:44:27,519
Speaker 5: around Elijah Muhammad's program, his program which we believe is

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01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:33,040
Speaker 5: a solid remedy in this hour of rabid white supremacy

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01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:33,799
Speaker 5: and racism.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen oh A top attorney Beligue Shabaz, Attorney Belague, would

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01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:41,200
Speaker 1: you say that Elijah Muhammad is way ahead of his

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01:44:41,320 --> 01:44:43,680
Speaker 1: time with all the things that he talked about. Now

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01:44:43,800 --> 01:44:46,840
Speaker 1: he's coming to fruition as as you know.

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01:44:48,520 --> 01:44:51,880
Speaker 5: From a black perspective, Yes, from a black perspective, he's

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01:44:52,520 --> 01:44:57,000
Speaker 5: well ahead of his time. From a religious perspective, he

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01:44:57,200 --> 01:45:03,320
Speaker 5: was criticized for not being up to time or having

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01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:08,720
Speaker 5: a rudimentary form of Islam that wasn't quite up to

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01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:12,280
Speaker 5: the standards of Islam. Those were his critics said. But

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01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:15,120
Speaker 5: in the black community for what he was doing for

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01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:18,439
Speaker 5: black people, well, his work speaks for itself. I mean

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01:45:18,479 --> 01:45:22,759
Speaker 5: the honorbi Olizah Mohammed in the seventy four Saviors Day speech.

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01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:26,639
Speaker 5: You can watch that on YouTube. Nineteen seventy four Saviors

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01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:32,760
Speaker 5: Day speech. His staff, he sat down and his secretaries

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01:45:33,479 --> 01:45:37,519
Speaker 5: showed the world and his nation the banks that the

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01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:42,559
Speaker 5: Honorable Elijah Muhammad opened Guaranteed Bank in Chicago. We had

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01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:47,560
Speaker 5: a national Black bank. He had properties and apartments for

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01:45:47,680 --> 01:45:51,920
Speaker 5: his followers all over the country, had restaurants. He had

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01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:57,120
Speaker 5: restaurants and supermarkets. And his followers were independent minded and

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01:45:57,280 --> 01:46:00,920
Speaker 5: all throughout New York, New Jersey, Washington, in Atlanta, all

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01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:08,479
Speaker 5: around the country of staking taking restaurants and Muhammed's everything

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01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:11,360
Speaker 5: in the name of Muhammad. I'm from Los Angeles and

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01:46:11,439 --> 01:46:14,760
Speaker 5: my grandfather brought me into this and so what I'm

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01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:17,640
Speaker 5: saying in a nutshell, we're going to dig deeper into it.

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01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:23,160
Speaker 5: But he was an absolute pioneer and ahead of his

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01:46:23,320 --> 01:46:28,760
Speaker 5: time when it comes to black economics, self sufficiency, independence,

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01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:33,479
Speaker 5: as well as other pioneering efforts. Brother Dick Gregory would

1712
01:46:33,479 --> 01:46:38,280
Speaker 5: say in terms of diet, cleaning our people up and

1713
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:41,640
Speaker 5: getting them out of the worst dredges in society and

1714
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:45,519
Speaker 5: raising them up to be clean examples of our people.

1715
01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:50,879
Speaker 5: And so absolutely he was ahead of his time nobilizing Muhammad.

1716
01:46:51,160 --> 01:46:54,160
Speaker 5: He still is ahead of his time. And that's what

1717
01:46:54,360 --> 01:46:59,600
Speaker 5: this conference is going to be about this week online,

1718
01:47:00,200 --> 01:47:03,720
Speaker 5: honoring all of those that has continued his legacy, continued

1719
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:09,120
Speaker 5: his works, all of those, and trying to get back

1720
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:11,360
Speaker 5: to where this great man hat.

1721
01:47:12,120 --> 01:47:13,240
Speaker 4: Right and hold left thought right there.

1722
01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:14,640
Speaker 1: We've got to take a quick break when we come

1723
01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:17,120
Speaker 1: back at seventeen after the top of our family. That's

1724
01:47:17,160 --> 01:47:19,880
Speaker 1: the issue, because you know, when they talk about Elijah Muhamad,

1725
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:23,200
Speaker 1: they always talk about brother Malcolm, and that issue seems

1726
01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:25,840
Speaker 1: like it has not been resolved. But I'll give you

1727
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:28,640
Speaker 1: a chance to hear your version, because if you're going

1728
01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:30,600
Speaker 1: to do a retrospect, how the person you have to

1729
01:47:30,640 --> 01:47:34,479
Speaker 1: do the totality, you know, can't leave anything out. Eighteen

1730
01:47:34,520 --> 01:47:36,160
Speaker 1: after the top of the hour, take the quick break.

1731
01:47:36,200 --> 01:47:37,800
Speaker 1: We'll come back with the turning of Elite Shapa. You

1732
01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:39,880
Speaker 1: want to join this discussion, family, reach out to us

1733
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:43,240
Speaker 1: at eight hundred and four five zero seventy eight seventy

1734
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:45,679
Speaker 1: six and we'll take your phone calls next and Grand

1735
01:47:45,800 --> 01:47:48,000
Speaker 1: Rising family, thanks for starting a week with Leu's. We

1736
01:47:48,439 --> 01:47:52,040
Speaker 1: have the founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice, attorney

1737
01:47:52,040 --> 01:47:54,439
Speaker 1: of Elite Shapaz with us this morning and we're discussing

1738
01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:57,680
Speaker 1: the tribute to Elijah Muhammad. And we talked about, you know,

1739
01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:00,599
Speaker 1: this tribute. Of course, you got to touch on all subjects,

1740
01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:04,600
Speaker 1: and one touch a subject, Brother Malika is uh is

1741
01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:06,280
Speaker 1: your relationship with brother Malcolm.

1742
01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:07,280
Speaker 4: Do you get into that?

1743
01:48:10,200 --> 01:48:16,240
Speaker 5: Yes, I can. It's a very important subject, and rightfully so,

1744
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:19,280
Speaker 5: because you know, these two men are some of the

1745
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:22,920
Speaker 5: greatest men that have ever come amongst our people. I

1746
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:26,439
Speaker 5: speak of the most honorable Elijah Muhammad and and I

1747
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:29,960
Speaker 5: speak of the honor the Minister of Malcolm X and

1748
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:33,479
Speaker 5: it seemed to be uh, you know, some kind of ironic.

1749
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:37,439
Speaker 5: It was February to twenty first. It was just passed.

1750
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:42,400
Speaker 5: And as we come past February twenty first, you know, uh,

1751
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:46,400
Speaker 5: that's the date of Malcolm's assassinations. It's right on the

1752
01:48:46,520 --> 01:48:51,040
Speaker 5: day of Saviors Day weekend. We know this from We

1753
01:48:51,200 --> 01:48:57,000
Speaker 5: know this subject from many perspectives, many young revolutionaries and

1754
01:48:57,160 --> 01:49:01,440
Speaker 5: soldiers and persons like myself who came through Howard University,

1755
01:49:02,280 --> 01:49:07,200
Speaker 5: uh and others well well, Malcolm X Baptism into into

1756
01:49:07,320 --> 01:49:11,840
Speaker 5: consciousness and into blackness. We came into Howard University reading

1757
01:49:11,960 --> 01:49:16,519
Speaker 5: Malcolm X Speaks and the Four Speeches by Malcolm X,

1758
01:49:16,600 --> 01:49:20,720
Speaker 5: the autobiography of Malcolm X. So so we were indoctrinated

1759
01:49:20,840 --> 01:49:25,600
Speaker 5: and we got into learning about black through Minister Malcolm X.

1760
01:49:26,360 --> 01:49:29,160
Speaker 5: And later on we we got more into the religious

1761
01:49:29,240 --> 01:49:32,800
Speaker 5: aspect and learned about the Amable Elijah Muhammad and and

1762
01:49:32,920 --> 01:49:37,640
Speaker 5: his representative Lewis Farakhan who in the late eighties uh

1763
01:49:38,280 --> 01:49:41,120
Speaker 5: or in the mid eighties was was really caught fire.

1764
01:49:41,240 --> 01:49:44,160
Speaker 5: And then later on we we got more into him

1765
01:49:44,240 --> 01:49:48,519
Speaker 5: as students. We learned from it from that perspective. From

1766
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:56,320
Speaker 5: another perspective, we we understand I understand Minister Malcolm X

1767
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:59,760
Speaker 5: from from walking through the journey and the sojourn of

1768
01:49:59,800 --> 01:50:02,720
Speaker 5: am Man. We considered to be a modern Malcolm X,

1769
01:50:02,920 --> 01:50:09,200
Speaker 5: a black Muslim militant by the name of Colin Abdul Mohammad.

1770
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:13,439
Speaker 5: And so my own personal journey took me through a

1771
01:50:13,880 --> 01:50:18,040
Speaker 5: similar experience that Malcolm X went through with the Honible

1772
01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:25,120
Speaker 5: Elijah Mohammad with doctor Khaled Mohammad thirty years later. Ironically,

1773
01:50:25,200 --> 01:50:30,000
Speaker 5: so nineteen ninety three I was able to and it

1774
01:50:30,120 --> 01:50:33,080
Speaker 5: was in the middle of my walk with doctor Khaled Mohammad,

1775
01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:35,960
Speaker 5: who reached a zenus with the Nation of Islam, but

1776
01:50:36,120 --> 01:50:40,800
Speaker 5: also come under heavy attack and criticism for speeches he

1777
01:50:40,920 --> 01:50:45,200
Speaker 5: gave at King College and a national uproar he was

1778
01:50:45,280 --> 01:50:48,880
Speaker 5: involved in in late ninety three early ninety four. We

1779
01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:54,599
Speaker 5: compare that to Minister Malcolm xans November speech after John

1780
01:50:54,760 --> 01:51:00,519
Speaker 5: Kennedy's assassination and the controversy that was around Malcolm's statements

1781
01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:05,200
Speaker 5: the chickens come home to roost, which got him suspended

1782
01:51:05,439 --> 01:51:10,720
Speaker 5: by the Honorable Elijah muhammadus had suspended him. And so

1783
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:16,720
Speaker 5: these are important subjects because underneath those suspensions and controversies

1784
01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:22,680
Speaker 5: from these militant spokes persons with their leaders in the

1785
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:28,280
Speaker 5: Nation of Islam. We get some underpinnings of things that

1786
01:51:28,400 --> 01:51:31,560
Speaker 5: we learn about ourselves and learn about our movement, and

1787
01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:35,120
Speaker 5: hopefully we can correct as we go forward. You know,

1788
01:51:35,240 --> 01:51:43,919
Speaker 5: we learn about different dynamics of leadership, of discipline, obeying

1789
01:51:44,040 --> 01:51:51,519
Speaker 5: your leader, jealousy, envy, the revolution that may be broiling

1790
01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:54,880
Speaker 5: in the streets, and leadership that may or may not

1791
01:51:55,040 --> 01:51:58,880
Speaker 5: be considered too conservative. It's it's a number of factors

1792
01:51:59,800 --> 01:52:03,600
Speaker 5: that we have to analyze and and and for a

1793
01:52:03,680 --> 01:52:06,799
Speaker 5: person like me, say, I can come out very easily

1794
01:52:06,840 --> 01:52:09,600
Speaker 5: and tell you that I love the honorble Elijah Muhammad,

1795
01:52:09,640 --> 01:52:13,479
Speaker 5: and and I've always loved minister Malcolm Xan and like

1796
01:52:13,640 --> 01:52:17,000
Speaker 5: I love doctor Khaled Mohammad, and and I've always had

1797
01:52:17,080 --> 01:52:20,559
Speaker 5: respect for Minister Lewis far Khan as a spiritual father.

1798
01:52:21,560 --> 01:52:26,879
Speaker 5: And these controversies and suspensions and splits are heavy lessons

1799
01:52:26,920 --> 01:52:30,160
Speaker 5: for us. And if we can maybe learn some wisdom

1800
01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:34,360
Speaker 5: from these lessons, perhaps we can go forward so that

1801
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:37,640
Speaker 5: we can heal heal these wounds. And that's what this

1802
01:52:37,800 --> 01:52:41,600
Speaker 5: conference is actually about, the distribute to Elijah Muhammad. You know,

1803
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:45,720
Speaker 5: we've been criticized for honoring them. Some not really criticized,

1804
01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:49,240
Speaker 5: but some will say, well, well you're honoring minister Malcolm

1805
01:52:49,479 --> 01:52:53,960
Speaker 5: xan and and I guess you to honoring others here

1806
01:52:54,120 --> 01:52:59,639
Speaker 5: the leader of the five percenters, uh father to come

1807
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:02,640
Speaker 5: firehither of the five percent it's called Clarence thirteen X.

1808
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:09,120
Speaker 5: And you know they didn't necessarily get along. Imam Walter Fuden, students,

1809
01:53:09,280 --> 01:53:12,360
Speaker 5: some of them who who we work with, well, well,

1810
01:53:12,720 --> 01:53:15,400
Speaker 5: all these people haven't gotten along. And the question is

1811
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:19,599
Speaker 5: can we learn the lessons of the why they haven't

1812
01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:23,080
Speaker 5: got along so that we can in the future get along.

1813
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:27,960
Speaker 5: Because ultimately that program of Elijah Muhammad, it's a it's

1814
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:30,840
Speaker 5: a great program. It's a great program for our people.

1815
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:36,680
Speaker 1: So so all right at twenty eight after Tim here, Yeah,

1816
01:53:36,760 --> 01:53:40,960
Speaker 1: do you think without Elijah Muhammad we'd have a Malcolm

1817
01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:44,320
Speaker 1: or Brother Malcolm or Brother Collin or minister Farca and

1818
01:53:44,439 --> 01:53:47,120
Speaker 1: you think they could exist without the basics of the

1819
01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:49,919
Speaker 1: foundation set by Elijah Muhammad?

1820
01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:54,839
Speaker 5: Absolutely not, absolutely not. There would be no Minister Malcolm

1821
01:53:55,160 --> 01:53:58,680
Speaker 5: X or Hajji Maliksha biases as great as he is

1822
01:53:58,840 --> 01:54:01,680
Speaker 5: and as much Garvey Marcus Garvey as he has in

1823
01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:05,960
Speaker 5: his blood and in his veins from from Earl little Uh,

1824
01:54:06,040 --> 01:54:09,200
Speaker 5: there still would be no Minister Malcolm X without him

1825
01:54:09,720 --> 01:54:13,800
Speaker 5: uh being taken out of prison and educated and reformed

1826
01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:17,080
Speaker 5: and and stood up as a great example to the

1827
01:54:17,200 --> 01:54:20,720
Speaker 5: world under the tutelage and the program of the most

1828
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:23,720
Speaker 5: Honorable Elijah Muhammad. I mean that that is just a

1829
01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:24,800
Speaker 5: material fact.

1830
01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:25,640
Speaker 14: Uh.

1831
01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:31,000
Speaker 5: And and so minister Lewis farcoint he's he's Lewis he

1832
01:54:31,800 --> 01:54:35,160
Speaker 5: he's he's a violin player, he is a he's a

1833
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:39,080
Speaker 5: talented man. But he's no way near about to do

1834
01:54:39,240 --> 01:54:44,280
Speaker 5: what he has done. Lewis Eugene Walcott, I'm speaker, until

1835
01:54:44,360 --> 01:54:49,800
Speaker 5: he became Lewis X and became becoming the process of

1836
01:54:49,920 --> 01:54:54,400
Speaker 5: the program of of Elijah Muhammad. And so you go

1837
01:54:54,560 --> 01:54:59,320
Speaker 5: on and on. Even even imam Wath Jean's followers today,

1838
01:55:00,080 --> 01:55:04,080
Speaker 5: who they what what do they try to have these days? Well, well,

1839
01:55:04,160 --> 01:55:07,960
Speaker 5: these days try to have a Savior's day. These days

1840
01:55:08,080 --> 01:55:13,320
Speaker 5: they're more so also remembering their roots and remembering their

1841
01:55:13,440 --> 01:55:16,160
Speaker 5: roots and and uh and I guess they're weighing the

1842
01:55:16,360 --> 01:55:20,840
Speaker 5: pros and cons of of of Sunni Islam and and

1843
01:55:21,080 --> 01:55:26,640
Speaker 5: and and fully integrating into the orthodox Muslim world. But

1844
01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:30,040
Speaker 5: also they are they're looking back and seeing some of

1845
01:55:30,160 --> 01:55:33,600
Speaker 5: that which they lost, which is their root in Islam.

1846
01:55:34,680 --> 01:55:40,680
Speaker 5: Fared Mohammed w Fard, Mohammad Masterfied Muhammadan the founder, really

1847
01:55:40,760 --> 01:55:44,800
Speaker 5: the founder of Islam in America. Well well, well even

1848
01:55:44,920 --> 01:55:47,840
Speaker 5: the followers, some of them, some of the followers of

1849
01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:51,600
Speaker 5: the man Mars the muhammad A are now looking back

1850
01:55:51,720 --> 01:55:55,040
Speaker 5: and and remembering some of that which which they lost.

1851
01:55:55,120 --> 01:55:58,240
Speaker 5: So so this is a great program we're talking about.

1852
01:55:58,520 --> 01:56:02,520
Speaker 5: I mean, my grandfather, the black musclim right, So when

1853
01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:07,640
Speaker 5: I come up early in life as a college student,

1854
01:56:07,760 --> 01:56:12,040
Speaker 5: my grandfather is illiterate. My grandfather has no formal education.

1855
01:56:12,760 --> 01:56:18,040
Speaker 5: Yet my grandfather owns Thomas X. He owns several blocks

1856
01:56:18,120 --> 01:56:22,840
Speaker 5: of property right there in Los Angeles, California, in the

1857
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:27,160
Speaker 5: mid nineteen eighties. He's living in Ladera Heights and driving

1858
01:56:27,240 --> 01:56:33,240
Speaker 5: the Mercedes Benz. But this man is illiterate, formally, formally

1859
01:56:33,400 --> 01:56:37,760
Speaker 5: and unlearned. But he's a very wise man because he's

1860
01:56:37,800 --> 01:56:41,880
Speaker 5: a student and a believer in the honible Elijah Muhammad.

1861
01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:42,160
Speaker 4: And so.

1862
01:56:44,160 --> 01:56:46,360
Speaker 5: I guess what we try to do is, you know,

1863
01:56:46,440 --> 01:56:48,520
Speaker 5: in this time when we don't own anything, I mean,

1864
01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:51,200
Speaker 5: we don't have black grocery stores, we don't have a

1865
01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:55,080
Speaker 5: black bank, we don't have black transportation systems, we don't

1866
01:56:55,120 --> 01:57:00,800
Speaker 5: have any of the kind of economic structures that we had. Uh.

1867
01:57:01,600 --> 01:57:06,440
Speaker 5: The doing for self mentality and doing for self reality.

1868
01:57:07,200 --> 01:57:11,800
Speaker 5: Uh we that peaked, that peaked under the hounable Elijah

1869
01:57:11,880 --> 01:57:15,960
Speaker 5: Muhammad and uh and I guess our argument doing our conference.

1870
01:57:16,160 --> 01:57:20,280
Speaker 5: You can find it on Elijah Muhammad dot org. Elijah

1871
01:57:20,400 --> 01:57:24,480
Speaker 5: Muhammad dot org. I guess one of our objectives in

1872
01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:29,200
Speaker 5: our conference is to is to raise the importance of

1873
01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:34,600
Speaker 5: the nation building skills, the nation building skills and the

1874
01:57:34,760 --> 01:57:39,200
Speaker 5: people building skills of the program of Elijah Muhammad, because

1875
01:57:39,240 --> 01:57:44,680
Speaker 5: it's still can be a superior program for the for

1876
01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:46,240
Speaker 5: the advancement of our people.

1877
01:57:46,960 --> 01:57:47,880
Speaker 4: All right, So not.

1878
01:57:47,960 --> 01:57:50,680
Speaker 1: Away from the top. When is this program for Elijah

1879
01:57:50,720 --> 01:57:52,320
Speaker 1: Muhammad is trivia?

1880
01:57:52,360 --> 01:57:56,320
Speaker 5: When's it going to be this Thursday? Thank you this Thursday.

1881
01:57:56,880 --> 01:58:00,200
Speaker 5: You can find all the details on Elijah Muhammad dot

1882
01:58:00,440 --> 01:58:06,880
Speaker 5: org also on my Facebook page Attorney Malik Shabbaz Malik

1883
01:58:07,120 --> 01:58:10,400
Speaker 5: s Z. Shabbaz on Facebook. You find it on my

1884
01:58:10,480 --> 01:58:17,680
Speaker 5: Facebook pages. It starts Thursday. It starts this Thursday, February

1885
01:58:17,840 --> 01:58:21,360
Speaker 5: twenty six and it's gonna be online. It's gonna be

1886
01:58:21,520 --> 01:58:27,880
Speaker 5: on multiple sites online, but primarily on Elijah Muhammad dot org.

1887
01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:33,120
Speaker 5: And it starts Thursday with a National Film Fest in

1888
01:58:33,360 --> 01:58:37,960
Speaker 5: honor of his program. And you can't have his program

1889
01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:42,720
Speaker 5: without honoring Muhammad Ali and his great achievements and doctor

1890
01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:47,480
Speaker 5: Khaled Mohammad of course, Minister Lewis far Khan, and Honorable

1891
01:58:47,680 --> 01:58:53,160
Speaker 5: Silas Mohammad and John Mohammad and other greats and lesions.

1892
01:58:53,200 --> 01:58:56,720
Speaker 5: So there's a National Film Fest on Thursday that so

1893
01:58:56,960 --> 01:59:00,560
Speaker 5: it's six o'clock. It's gonna be broadcast all over the internet.

1894
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:06,440
Speaker 5: There's on Friday, there's going to be an Islamic teaching

1895
01:59:06,560 --> 01:59:11,240
Speaker 5: session that morning call a Tylleen session in the afternoon. Basically,

1896
01:59:11,320 --> 01:59:15,080
Speaker 5: we start at one o'clock one o'clock on Friday to

1897
01:59:15,200 --> 01:59:18,440
Speaker 5: twenty seventh through nine o'clock that night. There will be

1898
01:59:18,560 --> 01:59:25,000
Speaker 5: sessions on Islamic teachings, meaning persons that have that have

1899
01:59:25,160 --> 01:59:28,960
Speaker 5: gone on to it and embraced what they call Orthodox Islam.

1900
01:59:29,640 --> 01:59:31,760
Speaker 5: But they're going to be talking about the legacy of

1901
01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:35,360
Speaker 5: the Honorabile Elijah Muhammad. In the afternoon, there's going to

1902
01:59:35,400 --> 01:59:38,680
Speaker 5: be young people who are doing great things that are

1903
01:59:38,720 --> 01:59:42,440
Speaker 5: from the family and the lineage of the students of

1904
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:45,240
Speaker 5: the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. And at night it's going to

1905
01:59:45,280 --> 01:59:48,520
Speaker 5: be all about Muhammad's economic program. Well, what are the

1906
01:59:48,600 --> 01:59:52,920
Speaker 5: black Muslims on any black Muslims doing today economically today?

1907
01:59:53,720 --> 01:59:56,440
Speaker 5: And on Saturday, the main day, there's going to be

1908
01:59:56,640 --> 02:00:02,000
Speaker 5: several sessions on Saturday to twenty eighth, a deliberative dialogue.

1909
02:00:02,520 --> 02:00:06,520
Speaker 5: There's a group prayer and fasting, Chief Abdua Malik and

1910
02:00:06,720 --> 02:00:11,840
Speaker 5: doctor Abdul Alim Muhammad, Uh, who's who's done a lot

1911
02:00:11,920 --> 02:00:14,560
Speaker 5: for the nation of Islam. I'm on the radio in Washington,

1912
02:00:14,640 --> 02:00:17,720
Speaker 5: d C. If I if I say doctor Abdul Ali Muhammad,

1913
02:00:17,760 --> 02:00:22,320
Speaker 5: well all of you all know the things, the great

1914
02:00:22,480 --> 02:00:26,280
Speaker 5: things that he's done in the Washington DC areas, uh,

1915
02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:31,880
Speaker 5: and over the years. So that's a great dialogue, deliberative

1916
02:00:32,040 --> 02:00:36,480
Speaker 5: dialogue session which is which is designed to bring about

1917
02:00:36,640 --> 02:00:41,600
Speaker 5: healing and understanding and amongst Black Muslims everywhere. And then

1918
02:00:41,640 --> 02:00:48,080
Speaker 5: you have on Saturday and going on and we would

1919
02:00:48,120 --> 02:00:55,720
Speaker 5: come main day, main days, all day and awards will

1920
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Speaker 5: be given. We'll talk about who will be awarded when

1921
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Speaker 5: we come back.

1922
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Speaker 1: All right, Well, come up, Bray, we still got some

1923
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Speaker 1: more time. But I want to say Ramadan mubark to

1924
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Speaker 1: all our members of islam faith that we're listening to us,

1925
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Speaker 1: because I know the brothers that they tell me they

1926
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Speaker 1: get up early, and there's a group in London, attorneymentk

1927
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Speaker 1: who listens. They listen all the time. They're all on

1928
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Speaker 1: our case every time. They keep sending me to stuff

1929
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Speaker 1: on the internet they're doing. So I want to shout

1930
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Speaker 1: that out. You know, we talked about how expansive the

1931
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Speaker 1: Nation of Islam is when it just started, which is

1932
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Speaker 1: just low cold first, then it's spread. Now it's international.

1933
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Speaker 1: We've better Abdullah Abdul Mohammad, can you Oklahomahammad, I just say,

1934
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Speaker 1: can you explain that? Because some people think that the

1935
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Speaker 1: nation is just in the major cities in this country.

1936
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Speaker 5: Over the nation of Islam is long going international since

1937
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Speaker 5: the nineteen sixties. The Honorable Silas Muhammad wife Harriet Abu Baker,

1938
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Speaker 5: often teaches how Lijah Muhammad and sent her over there

1939
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Speaker 5: and others Muhammad Junior, her husband at the time, over

1940
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Speaker 5: to Cairo, Egypt for studies. And and then we know

1941
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Speaker 5: about Minister Malcolm X his his his famous trips to

1942
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Speaker 5: to Mecca and his meetings with African leaders. We often

1943
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Speaker 5: get the openings of modern Pan Africanism through through Malcolm's

1944
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Speaker 5: visits and and and we also get an an international perspective.

1945
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Speaker 5: Of course, as you mentioned, minister far Khan has an

1946
02:02:29,520 --> 02:02:35,240
Speaker 5: international representative, abdul Akbar Muhammad, but also Minister Lewis far

1947
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Speaker 5: Khan himself is known for many legendary world world tours.

1948
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Speaker 5: I mean starting back in the eighties. He's he's known

1949
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Speaker 5: for his relations with Kadaffi. But even before that we

1950
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Speaker 5: know that in the before the honorable life Muhammad passed,

1951
02:02:53,480 --> 02:02:57,200
Speaker 5: he had a strong relationship with that young revolutionary colonel

1952
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Speaker 5: from Libya, our beloved brother muaima Our Kadaffi, who helped

1953
02:03:02,360 --> 02:03:07,320
Speaker 5: build the Nation of Islam's Temple number two in Chicago,

1954
02:03:08,000 --> 02:03:10,800
Speaker 5: Temple number two which is now known as Moss Marion,

1955
02:03:10,960 --> 02:03:13,200
Speaker 5: but when it was under the Honible Elijah Muhammad, it

1956
02:03:13,320 --> 02:03:16,520
Speaker 5: was Temple number two, and a couple of million dollars

1957
02:03:16,720 --> 02:03:19,600
Speaker 5: was was either loaned or given to the Nation of

1958
02:03:19,760 --> 02:03:26,040
Speaker 5: Islam from Libya. So this is absolutely an international organization

1959
02:03:26,240 --> 02:03:30,440
Speaker 5: with with with international influence and and and in the

1960
02:03:30,520 --> 02:03:34,480
Speaker 5: month of Ramadan Ramadan, mubark to all the Muslims who

1961
02:03:34,520 --> 02:03:39,120
Speaker 5: are listening. Was obvious that Islam is an international religion,

1962
02:03:39,880 --> 02:03:43,960
Speaker 5: international religion. And also so this this conference comes in

1963
02:03:44,040 --> 02:03:47,080
Speaker 5: a time also when Islam is under great controversy.

1964
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Speaker 1: You know right and hold that thought right there, Brother Malik,

1965
02:03:50,160 --> 02:03:51,600
Speaker 1: we got to step aside for a few months. You'll

1966
02:03:51,640 --> 02:03:54,480
Speaker 1: come back. We'll talk about that controversy. Also talk about

1967
02:03:54,520 --> 02:03:56,760
Speaker 1: the legacy of the Reverend Jesse Jackson. How you think

1968
02:03:56,840 --> 02:04:00,360
Speaker 1: his legacy will will play out. The family to join

1969
02:04:00,400 --> 02:04:02,680
Speaker 1: this conversation or turnamer League. Shabaz reach out to us

1970
02:04:02,720 --> 02:04:05,520
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight to

1971
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Speaker 1: seventy six. I will take your phone calls next and

1972
02:04:07,840 --> 02:04:10,160
Speaker 1: Grand Rising family, thanks for starting your week with us.

1973
02:04:10,200 --> 02:04:12,120
Speaker 1: At nineteen minutes away from the top, they aut with

1974
02:04:12,200 --> 02:04:14,960
Speaker 1: our guest. He's the founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice.

1975
02:04:15,040 --> 02:04:17,080
Speaker 1: His name is Malik Shabaz. Before we go back to it,

1976
02:04:17,120 --> 02:04:18,760
Speaker 1: and let me just remind you come up late this week.

1977
02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:21,560
Speaker 1: You're going to hear from another attorney. Attorney five Rose

1978
02:04:22,120 --> 02:04:25,040
Speaker 1: Torey is going to join us. Also, chemtologist Tony Browner

1979
02:04:25,080 --> 02:04:27,080
Speaker 1: will be here. I'm the founder of the University of

1980
02:04:27,080 --> 02:04:30,640
Speaker 1: African People's Organization. Brother Zaki Broody will check in. The

1981
02:04:30,760 --> 02:04:33,600
Speaker 1: Master Teacher I himself, Astro Equation will also join us,

1982
02:04:33,880 --> 02:04:36,920
Speaker 1: and one of Dick Greg Rashon's Yanse will be with

1983
02:04:37,040 --> 02:04:38,560
Speaker 1: us as well. So if you are in Baltimore, make

1984
02:04:38,600 --> 02:04:40,520
Speaker 1: sure you keep that radio locked in tight on ten

1985
02:04:40,680 --> 02:04:43,440
Speaker 1: ten WLB, or if you're in the DMV or the

1986
02:04:43,680 --> 02:04:47,480
Speaker 1: Washington Metropolitan Here we're on fourteen fifteen WL. All right,

1987
02:04:47,640 --> 02:04:50,320
Speaker 1: a tourney league. A question for you, the legacy of

1988
02:04:50,400 --> 02:04:52,880
Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson, the Reverend Jesse Jackson. How do you see that,

1989
02:04:52,920 --> 02:04:56,040
Speaker 1: because you know, some people started attacking him, just everything

1990
02:04:56,160 --> 02:04:59,800
Speaker 1: passed it for his association, what happened with the king assassination.

1991
02:05:00,160 --> 02:05:02,680
Speaker 1: But how do you see his legacy in its entirety?

1992
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Speaker 5: That's a heck of a question.

1993
02:05:08,240 --> 02:05:09,040
Speaker 9: We have to say.

1994
02:05:09,920 --> 02:05:12,920
Speaker 5: In his entirety, he is a part of Black history.

1995
02:05:13,400 --> 02:05:18,240
Speaker 5: It is a material fact that Reverend Jesse Lewis Jackson,

1996
02:05:18,400 --> 02:05:24,000
Speaker 5: God Rest his soul has made Black history and that

1997
02:05:24,160 --> 02:05:29,400
Speaker 5: you cannot write the history of the nineteen seventies, certainly

1998
02:05:29,440 --> 02:05:33,800
Speaker 5: the nineteen eighties and nineties and leave him out. I mean,

1999
02:05:33,920 --> 02:05:38,360
Speaker 5: he's man as the first black president, major black presidential candidate,

2000
02:05:38,480 --> 02:05:43,120
Speaker 5: coming after Sister Queen Shirley Chisholm, Reverend Jackson made history

2001
02:05:43,680 --> 02:05:48,840
Speaker 5: in that election, and he's known and for fighting many

2002
02:05:48,920 --> 02:05:54,960
Speaker 5: many civil rights causes. Then he has his critics because

2003
02:05:55,000 --> 02:05:57,600
Speaker 5: of any number of actions over those years he has

2004
02:05:59,320 --> 02:06:02,440
Speaker 5: critics of or this position he's taken, or that position

2005
02:06:02,520 --> 02:06:06,240
Speaker 5: he's taken, or or other criticisms of him. And now

2006
02:06:06,360 --> 02:06:09,960
Speaker 5: my personal position is well, then I also know him

2007
02:06:10,480 --> 02:06:15,080
Speaker 5: because in in in the as a student activist in

2008
02:06:15,160 --> 02:06:18,160
Speaker 5: the anti apartheid movement. He was a leader of that.

2009
02:06:19,040 --> 02:06:21,960
Speaker 5: And then because we were we were heavily influenced by

2010
02:06:22,040 --> 02:06:26,280
Speaker 5: the Muslims Lewis far Khin and Colleb Mohammad. Well, Jesse

2011
02:06:26,480 --> 02:06:30,640
Speaker 5: Jackson has his own history with Lewis far Khink and

2012
02:06:31,000 --> 02:06:34,800
Speaker 5: doctor Khaleed Mohammad. Much of that is documented in my book,

2013
02:06:35,560 --> 02:06:39,800
Speaker 5: The Book of College. And so I have to recognize

2014
02:06:39,920 --> 02:06:44,080
Speaker 5: him as an as an important figure, even though at

2015
02:06:44,120 --> 02:06:47,400
Speaker 5: different times, even in my career and the career of

2016
02:06:47,520 --> 02:06:52,960
Speaker 5: my teacher, doctor Khaled Muhammad and his his name has

2017
02:06:53,040 --> 02:06:56,440
Speaker 5: been controversial. So what I said to my people is

2018
02:06:56,520 --> 02:07:00,480
Speaker 5: this brother Carl, at this time a wild Reverend Jackson

2019
02:07:00,520 --> 02:07:05,120
Speaker 5: has transitioned to the ancestors that my position, my league

2020
02:07:05,160 --> 02:07:08,640
Speaker 5: Zulusha Baz, is that I as I revert to respecting

2021
02:07:09,320 --> 02:07:14,160
Speaker 5: the fundamental law respecting the ancestors, meaning that while our

2022
02:07:14,360 --> 02:07:19,400
Speaker 5: brother has passed, that I will our only honor the

2023
02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:22,080
Speaker 5: good that he has done. I honored the good that

2024
02:07:22,200 --> 02:07:24,800
Speaker 5: he has done, and I remember the good he has

2025
02:07:24,960 --> 02:07:28,680
Speaker 5: done and and the important role he has played, and

2026
02:07:29,160 --> 02:07:32,040
Speaker 5: and I and I urge anybody that's that's that's with

2027
02:07:32,320 --> 02:07:36,720
Speaker 5: me to to to respect his name. And and if

2028
02:07:36,760 --> 02:07:39,360
Speaker 5: you don't have anything good to say, just be quiet,

2029
02:07:39,480 --> 02:07:44,040
Speaker 5: because we still have to respect his family, respect time

2030
02:07:44,160 --> 02:07:47,120
Speaker 5: of mourning. We have to have some class and some

2031
02:07:47,320 --> 02:07:53,000
Speaker 5: civilization and study, uh the impact of a man that

2032
02:07:53,200 --> 02:07:56,640
Speaker 5: is obviously impacted this error in time. Whether we agree

2033
02:07:56,680 --> 02:08:00,080
Speaker 5: with him or not, we we urge respect, respect of

2034
02:08:00,160 --> 02:08:04,840
Speaker 5: the ancestors, respect for Reverend Jackson because in many many

2035
02:08:04,960 --> 02:08:08,720
Speaker 5: circles he's done some remarkable things. And certainly we can't

2036
02:08:08,760 --> 02:08:10,960
Speaker 5: write the history of this era and leave him out.

2037
02:08:12,360 --> 02:08:15,200
Speaker 1: Totally agreed fifteen away from the Tope and the Minneso

2038
02:08:15,280 --> 02:08:18,920
Speaker 1: farcun and said just what you said, basically the Savis

2039
02:08:19,000 --> 02:08:23,080
Speaker 1: Day weeken Uh Savi's Day, the weekend his report to

2040
02:08:23,160 --> 02:08:25,720
Speaker 1: the nation. And also I don't know if you recall

2041
02:08:25,800 --> 02:08:28,280
Speaker 1: this because you're a young man, that when when he

2042
02:08:28,560 --> 02:08:31,280
Speaker 1: made his first run for the White House, Uh, they

2043
02:08:31,360 --> 02:08:34,760
Speaker 1: told him he didn't qualify for security. So Minister fargun

2044
02:08:35,520 --> 02:08:39,880
Speaker 1: Or ordered the FOI any city that Reverend Jackson was

2045
02:08:40,240 --> 02:08:43,880
Speaker 1: campaigning and the FOI would would support him, and they

2046
02:08:43,920 --> 02:08:45,880
Speaker 1: showed up and make sure nothing happened because you know,

2047
02:08:46,880 --> 02:08:49,360
Speaker 1: he was He's under attack then for what he described

2048
02:08:49,400 --> 02:08:53,320
Speaker 1: New York as Heimitown, even though he apologized, and I

2049
02:08:53,400 --> 02:08:55,640
Speaker 1: guess his apology wasn't good enough because they kept telling

2050
02:08:55,720 --> 02:08:58,320
Speaker 1: on him on that. And then he did his speech

2051
02:08:58,360 --> 02:09:01,600
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, he told about it if his if

2052
02:09:01,640 --> 02:09:04,560
Speaker 1: he's a grapist turned into raising. There's a great speech

2053
02:09:04,600 --> 02:09:07,760
Speaker 1: that he gave. But again what I'm s is Rynnie,

2054
02:09:07,800 --> 02:09:10,680
Speaker 1: tell you with me if you're I know you were around.

2055
02:09:10,960 --> 02:09:13,560
Speaker 1: You may have been in high school at the time.

2056
02:09:13,960 --> 02:09:18,040
Speaker 1: But the nation protected Reverend Jesse Jackson on that first

2057
02:09:18,120 --> 02:09:21,760
Speaker 1: run because you know, the government claim he qualified, if

2058
02:09:22,120 --> 02:09:23,240
Speaker 1: you know, for secure.

2059
02:09:23,360 --> 02:09:25,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was deeper than that, I mean yeah, they

2060
02:09:25,680 --> 02:09:30,120
Speaker 5: not only did he receive FOI protection, but Minister Lewis

2061
02:09:30,200 --> 02:09:34,280
Speaker 5: farkhim was a was a was actually in the campaign

2062
02:09:34,600 --> 02:09:37,440
Speaker 5: of Reverend Jackson. He was what you would call a

2063
02:09:38,240 --> 02:09:42,320
Speaker 5: surrogate spokesman. I mean in the years of nineteen eighty

2064
02:09:42,440 --> 02:09:45,440
Speaker 5: three and others. He was. He was preaching for Jesse

2065
02:09:45,680 --> 02:09:49,520
Speaker 5: Jackson doing his run for presidency, and he actually got

2066
02:09:49,560 --> 02:09:52,640
Speaker 5: the Black Muslims that were under his leadership to vote

2067
02:09:52,720 --> 02:09:55,520
Speaker 5: for the first time. And then we all know that

2068
02:09:55,640 --> 02:09:59,800
Speaker 5: in nineteen eighty four that situation kind of fell apart

2069
02:10:00,040 --> 02:10:04,760
Speaker 5: because the Jesse Jackson and his Hindley Town remarks and

2070
02:10:04,960 --> 02:10:10,000
Speaker 5: then his association with Lewis far Khin and Lewis Farkhin's

2071
02:10:10,080 --> 02:10:14,400
Speaker 5: remarks and which at that time were considered incendiary, and

2072
02:10:15,240 --> 02:10:20,360
Speaker 5: Reverend Jackson did formally repudiate Minister Lewis far Khan, and

2073
02:10:21,520 --> 02:10:24,640
Speaker 5: that was that was big at that time, and they

2074
02:10:24,680 --> 02:10:27,520
Speaker 5: went on to have their own relations. But we must

2075
02:10:27,560 --> 02:10:30,320
Speaker 5: say that also even though there was you know, there

2076
02:10:30,400 --> 02:10:33,800
Speaker 5: was good ups and downs between Jackson and Minister Lewis

2077
02:10:33,880 --> 02:10:36,560
Speaker 5: far Khin. But but then you look at their history

2078
02:10:36,960 --> 02:10:39,440
Speaker 5: you say that we're here's Reverend Jackson, he's speaking at

2079
02:10:39,480 --> 02:10:42,800
Speaker 5: the million Man March, and I was there at the

2080
02:10:42,880 --> 02:10:48,080
Speaker 5: Millions More movements. So so I think their relationship. Despite

2081
02:10:48,160 --> 02:10:55,280
Speaker 5: some obviously disappointments and contradictions in it, their relationship Minister

2082
02:10:55,440 --> 02:10:58,960
Speaker 5: far Khin and Jesse Jackson seems to be have retained

2083
02:10:59,040 --> 02:11:02,000
Speaker 5: a good relationship ship over the years. And I and

2084
02:11:02,120 --> 02:11:06,720
Speaker 5: I would opinion that Minister Lewis far Khin was not

2085
02:11:07,000 --> 02:11:12,400
Speaker 5: too stung by Jesse Jackson's repudiations or associations because they

2086
02:11:12,440 --> 02:11:15,600
Speaker 5: are part of his history and his rise and and

2087
02:11:15,800 --> 02:11:19,840
Speaker 5: and and so he, mister farr Khink yesterday spoke to that.

2088
02:11:20,000 --> 02:11:22,080
Speaker 5: And we also want to say that it was good

2089
02:11:22,160 --> 02:11:26,600
Speaker 5: to see Minister Lewis far Khin at ninety two years

2090
02:11:26,640 --> 02:11:30,240
Speaker 5: old appear at his Savior's Day yesterday and that was

2091
02:11:30,280 --> 02:11:33,880
Speaker 5: a that was a touching moment. So so, you know,

2092
02:11:34,000 --> 02:11:36,120
Speaker 5: respect to both of these men in this album.

2093
02:11:37,520 --> 02:11:40,960
Speaker 1: So true and again and they were close friends. I'm

2094
02:11:41,040 --> 02:11:45,200
Speaker 1: sure have that when he repudiated the Minister farcon if

2095
02:11:45,280 --> 02:11:47,760
Speaker 1: that even you know, tarnished their relationship, but they were

2096
02:11:47,880 --> 02:11:51,720
Speaker 1: very close friends. They used to play basketball, per Reverend

2097
02:11:51,800 --> 02:11:54,960
Speaker 1: Jackson tell me, so yeah, a game schedule at Christmas

2098
02:11:55,040 --> 02:11:59,360
Speaker 1: time on Christmas Day. Actually they played one on one

2099
02:11:59,440 --> 02:12:03,560
Speaker 1: basketball those in their younger years in Chicago, ten away

2100
02:12:03,600 --> 02:12:05,960
Speaker 1: from the top of down Family with Attorney Malik Shabab,

2101
02:12:07,360 --> 02:12:09,480
Speaker 1: Attorney maliks you wanted to share with us as a

2102
02:12:09,520 --> 02:12:10,800
Speaker 1: couple of cass that you're working on.

2103
02:12:12,520 --> 02:12:16,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely. Before we talk about other subjects, I do

2104
02:12:16,640 --> 02:12:19,680
Speaker 5: want to say if the three cases or four cases

2105
02:12:19,720 --> 02:12:21,960
Speaker 5: that I'm working on, and they might be listening now,

2106
02:12:22,520 --> 02:12:25,600
Speaker 5: you all have watched on the news in Washington, d C.

2107
02:12:25,880 --> 02:12:30,839
Speaker 5: About the hot the hot sauce case with the disabled student,

2108
02:12:31,880 --> 02:12:36,360
Speaker 5: about the teacher at Nile Elementary who who disciplined an

2109
02:12:36,560 --> 02:12:42,320
Speaker 5: autistic non verbal child. Who's who's the son of Miss

2110
02:12:42,440 --> 02:12:48,400
Speaker 5: Griggs My client and her son was disciplined by a

2111
02:12:48,520 --> 02:12:51,400
Speaker 5: teacher's aide who took some hot sauce and put it

2112
02:12:51,480 --> 02:12:54,600
Speaker 5: on her fingers and stuck it down the throat of

2113
02:12:56,400 --> 02:13:01,800
Speaker 5: Miss Griggs' son. And so on March ninth, we're going

2114
02:13:01,880 --> 02:13:05,680
Speaker 5: to be back in DC Superior Court because that case

2115
02:13:05,760 --> 02:13:10,440
Speaker 5: is going to reach a criminal resolution. It's this teacher

2116
02:13:10,520 --> 02:13:14,280
Speaker 5: in that case was arrested. This is all an unfortunate incident.

2117
02:13:14,520 --> 02:13:17,280
Speaker 5: The teacher was arrested and is set to take a

2118
02:13:17,360 --> 02:13:21,640
Speaker 5: guilty plea on March ninth and DC Superior Court. And

2119
02:13:21,800 --> 02:13:24,360
Speaker 5: then I want to let you know that that attorney

2120
02:13:24,440 --> 02:13:28,920
Speaker 5: Shabbas continues to represent the mother and the family, and

2121
02:13:29,640 --> 02:13:34,240
Speaker 5: we represent disabled children and miners, and that a miner

2122
02:13:34,320 --> 02:13:37,160
Speaker 5: and a child who's unable to speak, or any child,

2123
02:13:37,240 --> 02:13:41,200
Speaker 5: but especially one that autistic and unable to speak, should

2124
02:13:41,280 --> 02:13:46,800
Speaker 5: should absolutely not be either assaulted or or having teachers

2125
02:13:46,920 --> 02:13:51,480
Speaker 5: use such radical tactics. Uh, it's taking hot sauce and

2126
02:13:51,960 --> 02:13:55,600
Speaker 5: forcing it down the mouth of a student to deal

2127
02:13:55,680 --> 02:13:59,280
Speaker 5: with that. There there's a number of trained appropriate ways

2128
02:13:59,400 --> 02:14:05,000
Speaker 5: that disabled uh or children with disabilities, and that is

2129
02:14:05,160 --> 02:14:08,880
Speaker 5: a that is not to be tolerated. So so we

2130
02:14:09,080 --> 02:14:11,280
Speaker 5: move on on that case on March nineth If you

2131
02:14:11,320 --> 02:14:14,280
Speaker 5: want to join us in DC Superior Court, I'll be

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Speaker 5: there is a news conference afterwards. I fight for the

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Speaker 5: needs of disabled children in our community. They're equal to

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Speaker 5: all others.

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Speaker 1: We had let me jump in and answer this question

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Speaker 1: before you Yeah, before you move on on that particular

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Speaker 1: case with the hot sauce case, do we enough that

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Speaker 1: the teacher in question was she black? I mean now

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Speaker 1: that it makes a difference because obviously that was the abuse,

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Speaker 1: But what was it? Was it a sister who was trying.

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Speaker 5: To do this on the teacher? The teacher, the teacher

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Speaker 5: was black. Unfortunately, sadly, the teacher uh uh was black.

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Speaker 5: The teacher's a was black, and.

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Speaker 1: And I guess, well, did she have a reason though,

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Speaker 1: brother Malik, does she have a reason for doing it?

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Speaker 4: She speaks upon this time police report.

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Speaker 5: So she was caught hurt by the teacher in her classroom,

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Speaker 5: by the actual teacher doing the break, doing this, and

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Speaker 5: so when the police interviewed her, and the records say

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Speaker 5: that her defense for it was that quote, he deserved it.

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Speaker 5: He deserved it. So that's unfortunate. And you know, you

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Speaker 5: have to when you when you're dealing with persons and children,

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02:15:25,560 --> 02:15:28,360
Speaker 5: for all persons that have disabilities, you have to have

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Speaker 5: trained staffed. You have to be properly trained on how

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Speaker 5: to deal with them. And that's just a reflection of

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02:15:34,880 --> 02:15:38,920
Speaker 5: either inadequate training or screening, or having the wrong person

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Speaker 5: on the job. And also, yeah, so that's that's inadequate training, screening,

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Speaker 5: having the wrong person on the job.

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Speaker 3: And that's the.

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Speaker 5: Responsibility of the DC school system and the district government

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Speaker 5: to make sure that the people that they have on

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Speaker 5: duty are qualified and trained. That's point one. Number two.

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Speaker 5: As a cultural or community matter, we have to be

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Speaker 5: conscious in our community that we want to treat our

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Speaker 5: children the same. We want to treat our children better

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Speaker 5: than we would treat others, just as a moral code.

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Speaker 5: That's what we want to do. And you know so,

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Speaker 5: I would say that although this teacher is taking a

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Speaker 5: guilty plead, the teacher is a guilty plea. I recommend it.

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Speaker 5: I recommended to the mother that she accept when the

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Speaker 5: prosecutors called us about accepting it, because the guilty plea

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Speaker 5: comes with a six month probationary term, and then the

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Speaker 5: teacher would be able to after performing community service, to

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Speaker 5: wipe it all off her records. My client was fifty

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Speaker 5: to fifty on that she's mad like any other mother

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02:16:44,800 --> 02:16:47,400
Speaker 5: would be mad about what happened to their child, very mad.

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Speaker 5: She still wants justice and getting justice. But then I

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Speaker 5: was able to help her to at least accept part

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Speaker 5: of this plea. Deal means that eventually the teacher Ms.

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Speaker 5: Davis could rehabilitate herself and get her life back after

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Speaker 5: the learning this lesson and be left without a criminal record.

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Speaker 5: Because the Black Lawyers for Justice position is that if

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Speaker 5: we can avoid the criminalization of our people and having

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Speaker 5: them saddle with records and criminal records that increase, uh,

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Speaker 5: their against inability to perform society. And if there's a

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Speaker 5: chance they can be reformed and do and not have

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02:17:32,480 --> 02:17:37,000
Speaker 5: that criminal jacket on their record, then then then then

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Speaker 5: we advocate for that also. So I think it's a

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02:17:40,560 --> 02:17:43,040
Speaker 5: just resolution, but it's unfortunate that it comes from a

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Speaker 5: black teacher on a black child.

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Speaker 1: Did she apologize at leasa, brother Malik? Did she apologize?

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Speaker 5: All of that should be come in March ninth. On

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02:17:52,800 --> 02:17:56,520
Speaker 5: March ninth, apology should becoming a mission should becoming in

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Speaker 5: court and uh and we should see it all and

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Speaker 5: see Superior Court. And on the ninth again, if y'all

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Speaker 5: want to keep track of these cases, my numbers two,

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Speaker 5: four oh six, eight, eight seven three five. Can I

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Speaker 5: talk about another one?

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you we're gonna take a short break and

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02:18:19,440 --> 02:18:21,199
Speaker 1: now you can talk about another one. It's four minutes

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Speaker 1: away from the top down. Mark in Baltimore has a

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02:18:23,280 --> 02:18:25,680
Speaker 1: question for you as well. Family, You two can get

2203
02:18:25,720 --> 02:18:28,280
Speaker 1: in on this conversation with atturning Elite Shabaz. He's the

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02:18:28,360 --> 02:18:30,560
Speaker 1: founder of the Black Lawyers for Justice. Well, you got

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02:18:30,640 --> 02:18:32,959
Speaker 1: a legal question you need to answered. You can reach

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02:18:33,040 --> 02:18:34,480
Speaker 1: him as well and then the number to call him

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02:18:34,560 --> 02:18:38,119
Speaker 1: is eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy six,

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02:18:38,160 --> 02:18:40,880
Speaker 1: and we'll take your phone calls. Next and Grand Rising family,

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Speaker 1: thanks for starting your week with us. I guess there's

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Speaker 1: Atturning Elige Shabaz. He's the founder of the Black Lawyers

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Speaker 1: for Justice. Talk about some of the cases to working on.

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02:18:48,000 --> 02:18:49,920
Speaker 1: But we've got some folks questions for him as well.

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02:18:50,320 --> 02:18:53,400
Speaker 1: Start with Mark in Baltimore is online one grind Rising

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Speaker 1: Mark A question for at Turning, Elik Shabaz.

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Speaker 15: Hey, Grand Riding and Turn I'm gled you're there. Two well, two,

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02:19:01,520 --> 02:19:04,440
Speaker 15: I got two questions for you. But I want to

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02:19:04,520 --> 02:19:10,040
Speaker 15: honor Minister Lewis Fara conn and Jesse Jackson because the

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02:19:10,160 --> 02:19:15,040
Speaker 15: million mare Mark was really about atonement for us. You know,

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02:19:15,200 --> 02:19:16,920
Speaker 15: that's what it was really about. It wasn't about a

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Speaker 15: million men. Because he's sent Captain Andrew and we are

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Speaker 15: us and Baltimore Inc. And Baltimore Sisters, Baltimore's sisters in

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02:19:27,240 --> 02:19:30,920
Speaker 15: to come save our young black brothers and sisters here

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Speaker 15: in Baltimore because the number one killer of our our

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Speaker 15: children is murder here in Baltimore. Also, U, Minister, I

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02:19:39,800 --> 02:19:47,240
Speaker 15: mean sister Malina Abdulah Black Lives Matter when when he

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Speaker 15: had her on there, when Carl had had her on there,

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02:19:51,480 --> 02:19:54,440
Speaker 15: me and him was upset because Black Lives Matters being

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Speaker 15: high jack one hundred million dollars ten to twenty million

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Speaker 15: dollars a year, and she kind of said, well, got

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Speaker 15: all them and and he asked, Carl asked, why then

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Speaker 15: y'all go after them and in the nationwide and let

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02:20:07,240 --> 02:20:10,240
Speaker 15: everybody know we're to send the real money. And she

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02:20:10,440 --> 02:20:13,280
Speaker 15: kind of said, they got all these Jewish lawyers, you know,

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Speaker 15: like y'all wasn't you know I would have took that person.

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Speaker 15: So now, uh, it's still all that money could been.

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Speaker 9: Going to could be going to our communities.

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Speaker 15: We could have Black Lives Matter set up in cities

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Speaker 15: all over Baltimore, Chicago, New York, everybody. We wasn't pundant

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Speaker 15: for four and a half years. Then we had a

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Speaker 15: Jewish Jewish guy and and the.

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Speaker 13: P road price stand up for us. Why can't we

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Speaker 13: stand up for each other man and use the power

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Speaker 13: that we have to make sure our dollars go to

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02:20:44,120 --> 02:20:47,720
Speaker 13: our people instead of people looking like us taking it

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Speaker 13: away and using it for their own self.

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Speaker 4: All right, sir.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna respect your statement as a strong statement, and

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02:20:56,400 --> 02:20:59,480
Speaker 5: uh uh we just have to try to figure it

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Speaker 5: out if we could take a whole show, my dear brother,

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Speaker 5: when it comes to to where money has gone since

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Speaker 5: either the George Floyd shooting or since Ferguson Missouri when

2252
02:21:11,760 --> 02:21:14,440
Speaker 5: Mike Brown was killed when I was there, and and

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02:21:14,600 --> 02:21:21,039
Speaker 5: different groups movements who funded it, influences, splits, divisions. Uh,

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02:21:21,200 --> 02:21:23,879
Speaker 5: it's a it's a whole show, and and and there

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02:21:24,000 --> 02:21:26,120
Speaker 5: are some positives in it, but it's a lot of

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Speaker 5: mess to it. And and I acknowledge what you're saying,

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Speaker 5: and perhaps we would come back and deal with it,

2258
02:21:31,320 --> 02:21:33,920
Speaker 5: but I'm well familiar with it all over the country.

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Speaker 5: And uh, your statement speaks for itself. Respect what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: Three after the top, Thank you, uh Mark for that question.

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Speaker 1: Brother Craig is calling us from the districties online too,

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Speaker 1: Grand grind rising Brother Craig owing Attorney Malik Shabaz.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, saying Graham Brasey to you also, brother, calling you, uh,

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Speaker 16: brother Malik. Uh the question uh that I want to

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Speaker 16: talk talk about, Uh. First of all, with this upcoming

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Speaker 16: midterm elections with the black community finally put the interests

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Speaker 16: of the black race first, or are they still going

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02:22:11,200 --> 02:22:15,000
Speaker 16: to play second fiddles to whatever white people? Uh, their

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02:22:15,120 --> 02:22:17,560
Speaker 16: issues come first, you know, the issues either the white

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02:22:17,600 --> 02:22:21,279
Speaker 16: liberals or the white conservatives. And when you talk about

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Speaker 16: the teachers of Elijah, Elijah Muhammet, and he did wake

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Speaker 16: up a lot of black people, and that was a

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02:22:28,720 --> 02:22:31,280
Speaker 16: beautiful era back then. But we're living in the era

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Speaker 16: right now where a lot of blacks are addicted to

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Speaker 16: whites and they married into white families and it's gonna

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Speaker 16: be kind of hard to unify the black.

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Speaker 9: Community because of that.

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Speaker 16: And you know, and also with this uh to after

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Speaker 16: Trump gives the I think the State of Union address

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Speaker 16: and he took Spenberger to do the response, I think

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Speaker 16: that's a mistake. I think they should have take Palma

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Speaker 16: heriss because she's talking about running again and it's not

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Speaker 16: like I got a little heart. He's married to a

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Speaker 16: white man. But I still think it would have been

2285
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Speaker 16: better coming from her because they, I mean, the Democrats

2286
02:23:06,920 --> 02:23:08,920
Speaker 16: are really trying to tell the Black community. In my opinion,

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Speaker 16: is that that that the black that the black community

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02:23:12,200 --> 02:23:14,120
Speaker 16: don't really matter to them as much as as much

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Speaker 16: as we used to, so I like to hear what

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Speaker 16: you got to say about that, brother Peace.

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Speaker 5: Okay, yes, sir, I think I'll focus in on your

2292
02:23:21,520 --> 02:23:23,119
Speaker 5: political questions mainly.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 5: You know, I guess where we are politically as as

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02:23:31,160 --> 02:23:38,240
Speaker 5: black people is unfortunately we really we don't have what

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Speaker 5: they call a black political agenda as of this date

2297
02:23:42,760 --> 02:23:45,400
Speaker 5: that we own this radio line, we don't have one.

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02:23:46,200 --> 02:23:49,360
Speaker 5: I think where we are right now politically is you

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02:23:49,480 --> 02:23:52,000
Speaker 5: could say deja vous, but it is what it is

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02:23:52,920 --> 02:23:54,480
Speaker 5: is that black people are facing.

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Speaker 16: Uh.

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Speaker 5: I basically look like they're trying to cut Donald Trump's

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02:24:02,959 --> 02:24:06,520
Speaker 5: power at the midterm election. That would be the main

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02:24:06,840 --> 02:24:10,520
Speaker 5: political effort. And that's not necessarily a black agenda. That's

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02:24:11,840 --> 02:24:16,119
Speaker 5: either a common sense agenda or a democratic agenda, because

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Speaker 5: even those that don't want anything to do with the

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02:24:18,360 --> 02:24:22,920
Speaker 5: Democratic Party or not fans of the Democratic Party, I mean,

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02:24:23,000 --> 02:24:27,680
Speaker 5: they are still for cutting Donald Trump's agenda. I'm not

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Speaker 5: a Democrat at all, and I look forward to his

2310
02:24:30,800 --> 02:24:35,240
Speaker 5: power being cut. So I think what's going on here

2311
02:24:35,400 --> 02:24:39,200
Speaker 5: is that most people are hoping that he loses his

2312
02:24:39,560 --> 02:24:47,000
Speaker 5: super majority meaning controlling the House, the Senate, uh and

2313
02:24:47,240 --> 02:24:52,080
Speaker 5: Supreme Court another subject, and hoping that this wild Man,

2314
02:24:52,320 --> 02:24:58,800
Speaker 5: this international criminal barbarian that somehow or another, somebody can

2315
02:24:58,879 --> 02:25:02,360
Speaker 5: put some brakes on on what he's doing. I think

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02:25:02,440 --> 02:25:04,280
Speaker 5: that's where the politics are right now.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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02:25:04,600 --> 02:25:09,439
Speaker 5: We should have at this point a black political agenda.

2319
02:25:09,560 --> 02:25:14,680
Speaker 5: We should have a congressional Black caucus that we that

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Speaker 5: we recognize as that's going to bat for us.

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Speaker 9: We could be.

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Speaker 5: Playing a playing the interest of our people as a

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02:25:24,360 --> 02:25:27,039
Speaker 5: as leverage and all of this. All of that's possible,

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02:25:27,480 --> 02:25:29,720
Speaker 5: but it just simply has not come about. I mean,

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02:25:30,520 --> 02:25:35,200
Speaker 5: you got Jasmine Crockett, She's she's doing her thing. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I respect her, but I can't necessarily say that that

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02:25:39,440 --> 02:25:42,160
Speaker 5: she is working on a national black agenda. I'm not

2328
02:25:42,280 --> 02:25:44,640
Speaker 5: criticized the system, just saying I'm looking at the best

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Speaker 5: we got according to the what they say. Hakeem Jeffries, Well,

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Speaker 5: well he's a House Minority leader, but he's got his

2331
02:25:53,760 --> 02:25:55,240
Speaker 5: own set of contradictions.

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Speaker 9: You know that.

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Speaker 5: So I don't want to be this that's despair right now.

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02:26:01,480 --> 02:26:03,640
Speaker 5: I just I just say that it. Right now, we

2335
02:26:03,760 --> 02:26:07,040
Speaker 5: don't have a strong political agenda. I mean, you have

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02:26:07,280 --> 02:26:10,320
Speaker 5: a Reverend Jackson. He used to he used to kind

2337
02:26:10,360 --> 02:26:14,320
Speaker 5: of represent that he's leaving off of the scene, Reverend

2338
02:26:14,360 --> 02:26:21,280
Speaker 5: now Shopton was pretty much as democratic advocate at this point. So, uh,

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Speaker 5: you know, I guess the best thing to do is

2340
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Speaker 5: most people right now is just on the defenses, just

2341
02:26:26,959 --> 02:26:30,119
Speaker 5: on the defensive and somehow some way hoping that Donald

2342
02:26:30,160 --> 02:26:33,840
Speaker 5: trump power get cut and hoping we do better. Brother.

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02:26:34,000 --> 02:26:35,680
Speaker 5: That's that's the main thing I can say right now,

2344
02:26:35,760 --> 02:26:38,000
Speaker 5: hoping we hold off, hoping we can do better, and

2345
02:26:38,680 --> 02:26:45,000
Speaker 5: definitely hoping that that Trump's formal power is cut to

2346
02:26:45,240 --> 02:26:47,240
Speaker 5: do the devilishment that he's doing.

2347
02:26:48,560 --> 02:26:49,320
Speaker 4: And that's the top.

2348
02:26:50,360 --> 02:26:53,560
Speaker 1: Leo Burrows is calling from Baltimore, is online for Grand

2349
02:26:53,640 --> 02:26:55,920
Speaker 1: Rising Leo Young with atturning Malik Shabbiz.

2350
02:26:57,360 --> 02:27:01,720
Speaker 17: Grand Rising brother Carlin Nelson, and the erney Malik Shabbaz.

2351
02:27:02,640 --> 02:27:04,680
Speaker 9: I am wondering.

2352
02:27:04,800 --> 02:27:10,280
Speaker 17: I'm going to ask you to speculate Attorney Shabbaz Cointelpro,

2353
02:27:11,640 --> 02:27:15,320
Speaker 17: whether by another name or not, seems to be alive

2354
02:27:15,440 --> 02:27:24,560
Speaker 17: and well to what extent do you see Cointelpro's operations

2355
02:27:24,640 --> 02:27:31,000
Speaker 17: today and yesterday as indicative of the divisions that we

2356
02:27:31,200 --> 02:27:33,920
Speaker 17: have not just with the Nation of Islam, but with

2357
02:27:35,200 --> 02:27:40,600
Speaker 17: organizations operating within our communities. We meanwhile, we love each other.

2358
02:27:40,800 --> 02:27:43,960
Speaker 17: We say, and some of us, some of us are

2359
02:27:44,080 --> 02:27:47,960
Speaker 17: very sincere in that regard, But it just seems to

2360
02:27:48,080 --> 02:27:51,800
Speaker 17: me that a great deal of money is being expended

2361
02:27:52,520 --> 02:27:55,879
Speaker 17: by the white establishment to keep us divided.

2362
02:27:56,879 --> 02:28:04,120
Speaker 5: What do you think, my brother? I agree what I agree,

2363
02:28:04,200 --> 02:28:07,880
Speaker 5: and also dissent. You make an important statement. But the

2364
02:28:08,080 --> 02:28:14,560
Speaker 5: essence of what you're saying is is is that is

2365
02:28:14,640 --> 02:28:19,279
Speaker 5: the white establishment, the white establishment is investing an enormous

2366
02:28:19,320 --> 02:28:24,240
Speaker 5: amount of resources to keep us divided by way of

2367
02:28:24,720 --> 02:28:29,440
Speaker 5: such programs as the counterintelligence program of the US government.

2368
02:28:30,000 --> 02:28:33,240
Speaker 5: Historically that has been true, but I really don't know

2369
02:28:33,360 --> 02:28:37,920
Speaker 5: if it's true today. I don't know whether black people

2370
02:28:38,040 --> 02:28:42,440
Speaker 5: are doing enough, are strong enough a rising up enough

2371
02:28:42,560 --> 02:28:45,640
Speaker 5: as we did in the nineteen sixties or the nineteen

2372
02:28:45,760 --> 02:28:52,360
Speaker 5: seventies to merit or such large scale either funding or

2373
02:28:52,440 --> 02:28:57,480
Speaker 5: attention by the government. Now now we in now we

2374
02:28:57,640 --> 02:29:02,279
Speaker 5: have a government that is certainly pressing all of seeks

2375
02:29:02,360 --> 02:29:06,000
Speaker 5: to oppress its political opponents. We agree on that that

2376
02:29:06,160 --> 02:29:13,640
Speaker 5: Donald Trump prosecuting his political opponents, and he's actively moving

2377
02:29:13,720 --> 02:29:17,560
Speaker 5: to suppress movements that oppose his agenda. That is true,

2378
02:29:18,400 --> 02:29:22,080
Speaker 5: but I don't know if it's specifically targeted at black leadership.

2379
02:29:22,200 --> 02:29:25,560
Speaker 5: Right now, because I don't see the black movement as

2380
02:29:25,640 --> 02:29:29,400
Speaker 5: being either as strong or threatening or rebellious enough as

2381
02:29:29,520 --> 02:29:33,680
Speaker 5: it has been in the past. Nor being honest, my

2382
02:29:33,800 --> 02:29:37,400
Speaker 5: dear brother, will I say that that either Cornteil Pro

2383
02:29:37,560 --> 02:29:41,199
Speaker 5: or anything that the white man is doing is would

2384
02:29:41,240 --> 02:29:46,840
Speaker 5: be would be without way what we are doing to

2385
02:29:47,040 --> 02:29:51,880
Speaker 5: ourselves in our own movements. Many of the disputes that

2386
02:29:52,040 --> 02:29:56,880
Speaker 5: I have described have on some of the issues like

2387
02:29:57,120 --> 02:29:59,720
Speaker 5: the ones that I went over in the Black Muslim movement,

2388
02:30:00,160 --> 02:30:02,520
Speaker 5: and I could speak from experience in the in the

2389
02:30:02,640 --> 02:30:07,199
Speaker 5: Black Panther movement. You know, the splits, the divisions, even

2390
02:30:07,280 --> 02:30:11,760
Speaker 5: the internal assassinations. You know Malcolm X has assassinated Hue P.

2391
02:30:11,959 --> 02:30:14,320
Speaker 5: Newton went to went to went to battle with with

2392
02:30:14,480 --> 02:30:17,880
Speaker 5: Eldridge Cleveland. Then the Panthers went to splitting with the

2393
02:30:17,959 --> 02:30:20,680
Speaker 5: Black Liberation Army, and then you got all kind of

2394
02:30:20,720 --> 02:30:23,760
Speaker 5: splits with the Muslims, and and still today you got

2395
02:30:23,800 --> 02:30:27,120
Speaker 5: a lot of fighting and arguing amongst Black people. I

2396
02:30:27,200 --> 02:30:30,040
Speaker 5: can't blame all of that on the Corntail pro or

2397
02:30:30,080 --> 02:30:33,560
Speaker 5: the US government, because I would say that, uh, that

2398
02:30:33,720 --> 02:30:37,039
Speaker 5: we have done a substantial amount of damage to ourselves,

2399
02:30:37,879 --> 02:30:41,840
Speaker 5: and that our our our that we are the We

2400
02:30:41,959 --> 02:30:46,519
Speaker 5: are probably brother sadly the biggest helpers to all outside

2401
02:30:46,680 --> 02:30:50,800
Speaker 5: intelligence operations designed to bring us apart. UH. The way

2402
02:30:50,879 --> 02:30:53,400
Speaker 5: we handle each other, the way we deal with each other,

2403
02:30:53,600 --> 02:30:58,240
Speaker 5: the way we are proxies for our enemy, UH is

2404
02:30:58,360 --> 02:31:03,520
Speaker 5: probably more effect active than the enemy or opposition's plan itself.

2405
02:31:04,600 --> 02:31:08,320
Speaker 5: So as I think in twenty twenty six, we can't

2406
02:31:08,440 --> 02:31:10,880
Speaker 5: just say that it's coin, tell that it's just. It

2407
02:31:11,040 --> 02:31:15,600
Speaker 5: still exists in different forms. But still we cannot say

2408
02:31:15,640 --> 02:31:20,480
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty six that we are not the main issue,

2409
02:31:21,120 --> 02:31:25,400
Speaker 5: the main reason why we are divided. So that's part

2410
02:31:25,480 --> 02:31:28,600
Speaker 5: of my work from my position, is to help bring

2411
02:31:28,680 --> 02:31:29,440
Speaker 5: our people together.

2412
02:31:29,560 --> 02:31:35,039
Speaker 17: My brother, how do we stare a firestorm of resistance

2413
02:31:35,080 --> 02:31:40,600
Speaker 17: among our people, whether it's HBCUs or black churches or

2414
02:31:40,600 --> 02:31:44,000
Speaker 17: what it seems as though we've become more passive than

2415
02:31:44,080 --> 02:31:48,560
Speaker 17: ever before. How do we mobilize and stir a firestorm

2416
02:31:49,200 --> 02:31:53,480
Speaker 17: of mobilization that will catapult us into victory.

2417
02:31:56,200 --> 02:32:00,520
Speaker 5: Well that sounds that sounds noble, But I would say, this, brother,

2418
02:32:00,600 --> 02:32:04,520
Speaker 5: is what is already happening to us, and is happening

2419
02:32:04,600 --> 02:32:07,480
Speaker 5: and has happened. If that has not already stoked our

2420
02:32:07,560 --> 02:32:12,840
Speaker 5: fires enough to completely dedicate ourselves to the liberation of

2421
02:32:13,000 --> 02:32:18,120
Speaker 5: our people and for justice for our people, then we

2422
02:32:18,200 --> 02:32:22,480
Speaker 5: will forever be somehow in second place or third place forever, Because,

2423
02:32:22,560 --> 02:32:27,119
Speaker 5: my dear brother, if the conditions in the black community,

2424
02:32:27,720 --> 02:32:31,560
Speaker 5: if the condition in the prisons, if the conditions in

2425
02:32:31,680 --> 02:32:36,120
Speaker 5: the jails, if the conditions with you know what this

2426
02:32:36,440 --> 02:32:40,080
Speaker 5: president is doing. I mean, in the mid eighties, when

2427
02:32:40,200 --> 02:32:43,320
Speaker 5: Ronald Reagan was in office, he was just doing a

2428
02:32:43,600 --> 02:32:47,280
Speaker 5: quarter of what Donald Trump is doing in terms of

2429
02:32:47,480 --> 02:32:51,400
Speaker 5: issues of race, and Black people were very much fired

2430
02:32:51,480 --> 02:32:54,920
Speaker 5: up and on the move in the nineteen eighties. And so,

2431
02:32:55,120 --> 02:32:57,440
Speaker 5: my brother, if what has already happened, if what has

2432
02:32:57,480 --> 02:33:00,400
Speaker 5: already has happened, if with the condition of our people

2433
02:33:00,520 --> 02:33:03,720
Speaker 5: being what it is, if that hasn't stoked the fires

2434
02:33:03,840 --> 02:33:08,080
Speaker 5: amongst us enough, then then then we may not have

2435
02:33:08,320 --> 02:33:11,440
Speaker 5: any fire in us. But I don't believe that. I

2436
02:33:11,520 --> 02:33:15,560
Speaker 5: don't believe that. So I'm going to say it's leadership, brother,

2437
02:33:15,600 --> 02:33:20,240
Speaker 5: because the conditions are there. The conditions are there, The

2438
02:33:20,360 --> 02:33:24,480
Speaker 5: oppression is there, the denials are there, the police brutality

2439
02:33:24,640 --> 02:33:27,920
Speaker 5: is there, the racism of the president is there. The

2440
02:33:28,400 --> 02:33:31,600
Speaker 5: problems are there. The question is is what kind of

2441
02:33:31,760 --> 02:33:35,600
Speaker 5: leadership do we have right now to marshall anger and

2442
02:33:35,760 --> 02:33:40,680
Speaker 5: discontent into a constructive program of action. Then facing that

2443
02:33:40,840 --> 02:33:46,080
Speaker 5: you're facing it lost in leadership. Reverend Jackson's gone, Minister

2444
02:33:46,200 --> 02:33:49,039
Speaker 5: Lewis far Khan very much up in age, and it's

2445
02:33:49,120 --> 02:33:51,840
Speaker 5: not the fhar khon that we used to have. What

2446
02:33:52,080 --> 02:33:55,040
Speaker 5: is the future of the Nation of Islam? Big question

2447
02:33:55,240 --> 02:33:58,080
Speaker 5: on the table. What is the future of the civil rights?

2448
02:33:58,640 --> 02:34:02,480
Speaker 5: Civil rights movement? Big question on the table. Black Lives

2449
02:34:02,640 --> 02:34:06,760
Speaker 5: Matter look strong for a minute now, it's all divided

2450
02:34:06,879 --> 02:34:10,120
Speaker 5: and splits and a bunch of arguments and so so

2451
02:34:10,280 --> 02:34:14,560
Speaker 5: the question is is is is why is there a

2452
02:34:14,760 --> 02:34:18,920
Speaker 5: black leadership with any sort of unity, strength and power

2453
02:34:19,400 --> 02:34:23,119
Speaker 5: that could that could marshal this anger and discontent into

2454
02:34:23,720 --> 02:34:27,800
Speaker 5: various constructive plans of action. Brother, questions open on the table.

2455
02:34:28,200 --> 02:34:31,440
Speaker 5: I ask your brother, Attorney Malik Shabbaia's head of Black

2456
02:34:31,520 --> 02:34:34,600
Speaker 5: Lawyers for Justice and a veteran in this movement. I

2457
02:34:34,680 --> 02:34:36,840
Speaker 5: can only plays and I'm giving it my all and

2458
02:34:36,959 --> 02:34:42,199
Speaker 5: doing my parts my part. Okay, So tactically I'm situated

2459
02:34:42,280 --> 02:34:44,760
Speaker 5: as an attorney for I'll go further. I want to

2460
02:34:44,760 --> 02:34:48,160
Speaker 5: give shout out to the family of Malik L. Carter,

2461
02:34:48,320 --> 02:34:52,240
Speaker 5: who's on the line. Malik Carter, he's uh, He's died

2462
02:34:52,440 --> 02:34:57,160
Speaker 5: in lead penitentiary in Virginia. I'm sure they'll be on

2463
02:34:57,320 --> 02:35:00,360
Speaker 5: here soon as we have our news conference to tomorrow.

2464
02:35:01,040 --> 02:35:01,720
Speaker 9: Malik L.

2465
02:35:01,959 --> 02:35:06,680
Speaker 5: Carter, he died behind bars and his mother Lisa grabbed

2466
02:35:07,120 --> 02:35:10,960
Speaker 5: her family and Rakiah and others who strongly believed that

2467
02:35:11,080 --> 02:35:13,560
Speaker 5: he had been beaten to death behind bars and there's

2468
02:35:13,600 --> 02:35:17,880
Speaker 5: a big cover. So shout out to them and other

2469
02:35:18,000 --> 02:35:22,119
Speaker 5: matters behind bars that that you know that we're fighting.

2470
02:35:22,320 --> 02:35:25,959
Speaker 5: Marcus Taylor. We're gonna be on this show at some point. Tune.

2471
02:35:26,080 --> 02:35:30,800
Speaker 5: Marcus Taylor and Maurice Taylor were then Mississippian and some

2472
02:35:30,959 --> 02:35:34,760
Speaker 5: of you read how Governor Kate Reeves had pardoned uh,

2473
02:35:35,280 --> 02:35:39,959
Speaker 5: Marcus and Maurice because they received a sentence in Mississippi,

2474
02:35:41,320 --> 02:35:44,200
Speaker 5: a plea deal for a crime that only allowed them

2475
02:35:44,240 --> 02:35:48,560
Speaker 5: to be incarcerated for five years. The maximum was five years,

2476
02:35:49,000 --> 02:35:52,160
Speaker 5: but through the incompetence of the attorneys and the court,

2477
02:35:52,680 --> 02:35:56,880
Speaker 5: they spent ten years behind bars before the Supreme Court

2478
02:35:56,920 --> 02:36:00,400
Speaker 5: and everybody figured out that the maximum sentence was five years.

2479
02:36:00,440 --> 02:36:05,200
Speaker 5: So it's the injustices are there, you know, I'm doing

2480
02:36:05,320 --> 02:36:08,360
Speaker 5: my part. But right now this is a leadership question.

2481
02:36:08,520 --> 02:36:15,520
Speaker 5: Leadership is getting, Asian leadership is passing, and our question

2482
02:36:15,720 --> 02:36:19,160
Speaker 5: is a leadership question. See, white people got leadership. No

2483
02:36:19,280 --> 02:36:22,320
Speaker 5: matter how much you disagree with Donald Trump, He's a champ.

2484
02:36:22,520 --> 02:36:25,920
Speaker 5: I mean I disagree with him for many whites, not

2485
02:36:26,080 --> 02:36:29,320
Speaker 5: all whites, but for obviously majority. Because he's in office,

2486
02:36:29,720 --> 02:36:30,840
Speaker 5: he is their champion.

2487
02:36:31,680 --> 02:36:33,560
Speaker 1: Right and hold up though, right there, counsel, We're gonna

2488
02:36:33,560 --> 02:36:35,800
Speaker 1: take a short break and the truth. Tilling Cleveland has

2489
02:36:35,840 --> 02:36:37,960
Speaker 1: a question for you, and we want to you know,

2490
02:36:38,080 --> 02:36:40,000
Speaker 1: dig Moore in the fact that she says we need

2491
02:36:40,040 --> 02:36:43,199
Speaker 1: a black agenda, and we come back, tell us what bettergenda,

2492
02:36:43,240 --> 02:36:45,680
Speaker 1: ship constitution, who should be make it? Put it the

2493
02:36:45,760 --> 02:36:48,640
Speaker 1: black agenda together? As I mentioned, family, it's eighteen minutes

2494
02:36:48,680 --> 02:36:50,960
Speaker 1: after Tom Dad, I guess the turning of leadership ours.

2495
02:36:51,080 --> 02:36:52,560
Speaker 1: You want to speak to him, reach out to us

2496
02:36:52,600 --> 02:36:55,720
Speaker 1: at eight hundred four or five zero seventy eight seventy

2497
02:36:55,760 --> 02:36:58,039
Speaker 1: six and we'll take your phone calls. Next and Grand

2498
02:36:58,120 --> 02:37:00,240
Speaker 1: Rising family, if actually rolling with us on this Monday,

2499
02:37:00,280 --> 02:37:02,640
Speaker 1: money and keep him starting your week with us. I

2500
02:37:02,720 --> 02:37:04,920
Speaker 1: guess there's a tournament league Shavasa and before I take

2501
02:37:05,000 --> 02:37:06,760
Speaker 1: off of him. I mean, one of the things you said,

2502
02:37:07,040 --> 02:37:10,000
Speaker 1: we need a black agenda. Who's going to put together

2503
02:37:10,080 --> 02:37:13,160
Speaker 1: this a black agenda? Because there's obviously now with a

2504
02:37:13,200 --> 02:37:16,000
Speaker 1: passion of Aaron Jackson, there's a vacuum as far as

2505
02:37:16,080 --> 02:37:19,240
Speaker 1: black leadership is concerned. Who do you see, who's stepping forward,

2506
02:37:19,480 --> 02:37:21,640
Speaker 1: who's up next to who? You know just say I'm next.

2507
02:37:21,680 --> 02:37:24,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take over and be the leader that we

2508
02:37:25,000 --> 02:37:27,760
Speaker 1: were looking for and probably to help us come up

2509
02:37:27,800 --> 02:37:28,920
Speaker 1: with his black agenda.

2510
02:37:31,200 --> 02:37:34,280
Speaker 5: That's a heck of a question, you know, I don't

2511
02:37:34,320 --> 02:37:36,400
Speaker 5: think we're gonna get what we got in the past.

2512
02:37:36,879 --> 02:37:41,680
Speaker 5: There's there's no strong man or or no singular or

2513
02:37:41,959 --> 02:37:48,240
Speaker 5: uh singularly figure that can that we could look to

2514
02:37:48,959 --> 02:37:52,440
Speaker 5: and now in the past, I guess in the heyday

2515
02:37:52,480 --> 02:37:56,080
Speaker 5: of Minister Lewis farchive when he could draw a million

2516
02:37:56,240 --> 02:38:01,119
Speaker 5: people and he was he presented that hope that he would,

2517
02:38:01,280 --> 02:38:05,440
Speaker 5: uh could could solve at least a significant part of

2518
02:38:05,520 --> 02:38:09,760
Speaker 5: our problems. I'm talking about Minister Lewis Farkhan, his leadership

2519
02:38:09,879 --> 02:38:13,640
Speaker 5: and his plans. But now we don't have. Now, now

2520
02:38:13,680 --> 02:38:16,760
Speaker 5: you really don't have that. You don't have a a

2521
02:38:16,920 --> 02:38:19,800
Speaker 5: singular strong man like that. You don't have a civil

2522
02:38:19,920 --> 02:38:23,760
Speaker 5: rights big man like that, like like Reverend Jesse Jackson,

2523
02:38:23,800 --> 02:38:26,280
Speaker 5: who who you could pin your hopes on. So what

2524
02:38:26,400 --> 02:38:30,800
Speaker 5: am I saying Black people at this point in time,

2525
02:38:30,959 --> 02:38:35,280
Speaker 5: We don't have a singular lack of a better word,

2526
02:38:35,440 --> 02:38:40,360
Speaker 5: Ujaegg of Hoover's word, actually Messiah type figure that we

2527
02:38:40,480 --> 02:38:43,880
Speaker 5: could rally around. And so that could be problematic or

2528
02:38:43,879 --> 02:38:46,840
Speaker 5: it could be a blessing. I think it's an invitation

2529
02:38:47,080 --> 02:38:50,920
Speaker 5: right now. I think it's an invitation that that that

2530
02:38:51,280 --> 02:38:54,720
Speaker 5: that we got to get beyond just saying we must

2531
02:38:54,840 --> 02:38:57,400
Speaker 5: come together and it and it don't happen because time

2532
02:38:57,560 --> 02:39:00,680
Speaker 5: is going by. It is that many talented figures in

2533
02:39:00,800 --> 02:39:04,199
Speaker 5: our community. Uh you know that, if.

2534
02:39:05,840 --> 02:39:06,000
Speaker 7: You know.

2535
02:39:06,120 --> 02:39:08,400
Speaker 5: But in order to have a black agenda, you got

2536
02:39:08,520 --> 02:39:12,720
Speaker 5: to have some black leadership that's either united or at

2537
02:39:12,760 --> 02:39:15,080
Speaker 5: the table. Our problem is, I don't really even think

2538
02:39:15,160 --> 02:39:17,760
Speaker 5: that we're at the table right now. I mean, you

2539
02:39:17,879 --> 02:39:21,360
Speaker 5: have everybody spread out so far, you got you got,

2540
02:39:21,440 --> 02:39:24,920
Speaker 5: I guess doctor Cornell West and Malina Abdulah. Over here

2541
02:39:25,080 --> 02:39:30,960
Speaker 5: on the left, you have Malik Zulu Shabaz, Black Lawyers

2542
02:39:31,000 --> 02:39:33,840
Speaker 5: for Justice, other black attorneys who are fighting over here.

2543
02:39:34,640 --> 02:39:37,800
Speaker 5: Got a number of black panther groups that are around

2544
02:39:38,160 --> 02:39:41,680
Speaker 5: the country, including Black Panther Movement around the country, but

2545
02:39:42,320 --> 02:39:46,280
Speaker 5: they divided. Uh, you got the you got Nation of

2546
02:39:46,400 --> 02:39:49,720
Speaker 5: Islam right now and again trying the Nation of Islam

2547
02:39:49,879 --> 02:39:52,960
Speaker 5: under Lewis Farka, and you got Nation of this Line

2548
02:39:53,080 --> 02:39:56,160
Speaker 5: under Silas Muhammad. You got Nation of this Line under

2549
02:39:56,200 --> 02:39:59,800
Speaker 5: the son of man Marvin Muhammad. In Mississippi. You got

2550
02:40:00,440 --> 02:40:04,120
Speaker 5: five or six or seven groups of black Muslims and

2551
02:40:04,200 --> 02:40:07,440
Speaker 5: they're really not not talking or dialoguing with each other.

2552
02:40:07,520 --> 02:40:12,800
Speaker 5: And so you got a congressional Black Caucus that if

2553
02:40:12,840 --> 02:40:16,680
Speaker 5: you ask black people what is their agenda and what

2554
02:40:16,760 --> 02:40:19,960
Speaker 5: are they doing, ten out of ten will not be

2555
02:40:20,080 --> 02:40:25,560
Speaker 5: able to tell you. So it's it's impossible to currently

2556
02:40:25,720 --> 02:40:28,000
Speaker 5: right now say that we would have a black agenda

2557
02:40:28,160 --> 02:40:32,680
Speaker 5: because these folks are not at the table talking about

2558
02:40:32,720 --> 02:40:35,840
Speaker 5: a black agenda. Uh. And they need to be at

2559
02:40:35,879 --> 02:40:40,360
Speaker 5: the table talking about a black agenda. So you know,

2560
02:40:40,840 --> 02:40:43,760
Speaker 5: we have other people that I personally feel if they

2561
02:40:43,840 --> 02:40:46,920
Speaker 5: made a few reforms that they could be a great help.

2562
02:40:47,000 --> 02:40:50,520
Speaker 5: Doctor Umar Johnson is one I say that doctor Umar

2563
02:40:50,680 --> 02:40:55,280
Speaker 5: Johnson is a is a is a well known voice

2564
02:40:56,000 --> 02:40:59,199
Speaker 5: well known voice. He's mastered and got a great grip

2565
02:40:59,280 --> 02:41:01,959
Speaker 5: on that thing called social media. He's seen and heard

2566
02:41:02,040 --> 02:41:06,520
Speaker 5: all the time. But you know, but who is he

2567
02:41:06,640 --> 02:41:09,840
Speaker 5: at the table with? Can he deal with other black people?

2568
02:41:10,440 --> 02:41:13,960
Speaker 5: Can he make certain reforms? And what he's doing, I

2569
02:41:14,000 --> 02:41:17,199
Speaker 5: guess trying to open up a school or actually increase

2570
02:41:17,280 --> 02:41:21,400
Speaker 5: his credibility to the point and his unity to the

2571
02:41:21,480 --> 02:41:23,960
Speaker 5: point where he could maximize what he has to offer.

2572
02:41:24,080 --> 02:41:26,440
Speaker 5: He has something strong to offer. But could he work

2573
02:41:26,560 --> 02:41:29,840
Speaker 5: with others and could he make certain reforms in terms

2574
02:41:29,879 --> 02:41:34,440
Speaker 5: of his credibility to move forward? So it's a precarious question, sir,

2575
02:41:34,600 --> 02:41:37,000
Speaker 5: I can't answer it, Brother Carl. I wish we had

2576
02:41:37,080 --> 02:41:41,320
Speaker 5: a black agenda, you know, But I mean, we're just

2577
02:41:41,480 --> 02:41:45,280
Speaker 5: not talking to each other right now. At least we

2578
02:41:45,440 --> 02:41:46,280
Speaker 5: need to talk more.

2579
02:41:47,000 --> 02:41:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Joe here twenty sixth after the time,

2580
02:41:49,280 --> 02:41:51,920
Speaker 1: they are at least having a convention like they're having

2581
02:41:52,000 --> 02:41:55,320
Speaker 1: Gary back in seventy two. Out of that convention, A

2582
02:41:55,400 --> 02:41:58,560
Speaker 1: lot of black mayors were born out of that convention,

2583
02:41:59,240 --> 02:42:01,760
Speaker 1: even though he had Cohen Helbrow is rife all the

2584
02:42:01,800 --> 02:42:04,280
Speaker 1: way in there, you know, at that convension, at least

2585
02:42:04,760 --> 02:42:06,920
Speaker 1: do you think we need another accomplish like that.

2586
02:42:08,720 --> 02:42:12,760
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I mean absolutely we need that. We need that

2587
02:42:12,920 --> 02:42:16,400
Speaker 5: kind of effort. You speak of the Black Political Convention

2588
02:42:16,560 --> 02:42:19,760
Speaker 5: in Gary, Indiana in nineteen seventy two. Of course we

2589
02:42:19,920 --> 02:42:22,200
Speaker 5: need it, I guess the question, and there would be

2590
02:42:22,320 --> 02:42:27,760
Speaker 5: the foundation lane to your foundation land. You know, you're

2591
02:42:27,879 --> 02:42:31,120
Speaker 5: well respected and connected to a number of parties, but

2592
02:42:31,280 --> 02:42:35,080
Speaker 5: the Carl, that are key to this equation. I'm connected

2593
02:42:35,160 --> 02:42:37,600
Speaker 5: to a number of parties that are key to this equation.

2594
02:42:38,200 --> 02:42:42,280
Speaker 5: Now the question is is maybe could ten or ten

2595
02:42:42,360 --> 02:42:45,320
Speaker 5: of us or twenty of us and the people that

2596
02:42:45,440 --> 02:42:48,760
Speaker 5: we connected to to pull something like that off together.

2597
02:42:48,959 --> 02:42:52,039
Speaker 5: I'm sure I believe we could. I believe I'm willing

2598
02:42:52,120 --> 02:42:55,600
Speaker 5: to make that kind of effort. But you know, I

2599
02:42:55,720 --> 02:42:57,200
Speaker 5: just can't get out here trying to do it on

2600
02:42:57,320 --> 02:42:59,120
Speaker 5: my own, because if I try to get out here

2601
02:42:59,160 --> 02:43:02,600
Speaker 5: trying to organize and pull all black people together, I'm

2602
02:43:02,640 --> 02:43:06,480
Speaker 5: gonna lose my main firepower, my punching power, and my

2603
02:43:06,640 --> 02:43:09,080
Speaker 5: main assignment right now, which is which is on this

2604
02:43:09,280 --> 02:43:12,400
Speaker 5: legal battlefront. So I do I do say that I

2605
02:43:12,520 --> 02:43:15,680
Speaker 5: believe brother Carl Nelson is correct. I do need I

2606
02:43:15,840 --> 02:43:20,320
Speaker 5: do believe that we need a national political convention or

2607
02:43:20,520 --> 02:43:25,000
Speaker 5: national efforts towards self determination, and we need strong efforts

2608
02:43:25,080 --> 02:43:29,680
Speaker 5: towards dialogue and talks right now. I endorse what brother

2609
02:43:29,800 --> 02:43:32,960
Speaker 5: Carl is saying, and I can only say that that

2610
02:43:33,120 --> 02:43:35,240
Speaker 5: I would be that I'm willing to be a part

2611
02:43:35,320 --> 02:43:37,320
Speaker 5: of it and bring what I have to the table.

2612
02:43:38,080 --> 02:43:40,160
Speaker 5: But uh, and that's the best I can do. And

2613
02:43:40,440 --> 02:43:42,760
Speaker 5: I'm happy doing the best I can do. Right now,

2614
02:43:42,920 --> 02:43:44,000
Speaker 5: have my hands full.

2615
02:43:44,800 --> 02:43:45,600
Speaker 4: And we got a you.

2616
02:43:45,720 --> 02:43:47,680
Speaker 1: A handful of callers want to talk to you as well,

2617
02:43:48,360 --> 02:43:50,720
Speaker 1: Turner Elie Shabbaz. Let's start with the truth tail Let's

2618
02:43:50,720 --> 02:43:54,560
Speaker 1: call from Cleveland's online one Grand Rising, mister Truthtailer with

2619
02:43:54,600 --> 02:43:56,119
Speaker 1: a tourney, Malie Shabbaz.

2620
02:43:56,760 --> 02:44:01,280
Speaker 7: Grand Rising, Crazy Grand Rising and Shaba's. First of all,

2621
02:44:01,360 --> 02:44:05,680
Speaker 7: let me say, brother, I learned something from you, even

2622
02:44:05,720 --> 02:44:07,640
Speaker 7: at my age. I learned from you every time you

2623
02:44:07,760 --> 02:44:10,440
Speaker 7: are But I just wanted to just inform you and

2624
02:44:10,520 --> 02:44:13,400
Speaker 7: get your opinion or something. Two things I want to

2625
02:44:13,440 --> 02:44:17,560
Speaker 7: talk about. One man, guess what our black mayor did,

2626
02:44:18,040 --> 02:44:23,039
Speaker 7: our black law director and our black public safety director did.

2627
02:44:23,560 --> 02:44:23,680
Speaker 16: Uh?

2628
02:44:24,280 --> 02:44:33,520
Speaker 7: They collaborated Trump Cleveland O how they they collaborated with

2629
02:44:33,760 --> 02:44:38,599
Speaker 7: Donald Trump's do O J Fire and filed an emergency

2630
02:44:39,320 --> 02:44:43,560
Speaker 7: of motion I believe on Thursday or Friday to terminate,

2631
02:44:43,959 --> 02:44:48,640
Speaker 7: to consent to create a degree that the City of

2632
02:44:48,680 --> 02:44:52,360
Speaker 7: Cleveland has had in place since twenty fifteen. And most

2633
02:44:52,400 --> 02:44:55,760
Speaker 7: people know about Tamire Rice, right, but the abuse of

2634
02:44:55,840 --> 02:45:00,800
Speaker 7: people been going back long beforeting and man and even

2635
02:45:01,320 --> 02:45:03,320
Speaker 7: you know, you got some black lawyers or some people

2636
02:45:03,400 --> 02:45:05,320
Speaker 7: you see on the news that you know not happy

2637
02:45:05,400 --> 02:45:07,640
Speaker 7: with this, and like they say, that makes strange Bedfellas.

2638
02:45:07,959 --> 02:45:09,720
Speaker 7: But this is one of the things we're talking about

2639
02:45:09,720 --> 02:45:11,879
Speaker 7: when we talk about leadership. They don't work. Black leadership

2640
02:45:11,879 --> 02:45:13,760
Speaker 7: don't work for the people. But let me say this

2641
02:45:13,879 --> 02:45:15,800
Speaker 7: about this black mayor and just give you some numbers

2642
02:45:15,840 --> 02:45:16,879
Speaker 7: on this black mayor.

2643
02:45:17,440 --> 02:45:18,160
Speaker 18: And my war.

2644
02:45:19,280 --> 02:45:23,600
Speaker 7: We have eighteen thousand, one hundred registered voters approximately. Now

2645
02:45:23,680 --> 02:45:27,320
Speaker 7: this is just my war, right, eighteen one hundred registered voters.

2646
02:45:28,640 --> 02:45:33,200
Speaker 7: And this last November election for mayor, for some judges

2647
02:45:33,280 --> 02:45:36,760
Speaker 7: and a few other issues. Guess how many people came

2648
02:45:36,840 --> 02:45:40,680
Speaker 7: out to vote from my ward? Eighteen thousand, one hundred

2649
02:45:40,680 --> 02:45:43,160
Speaker 7: people in my ward registered to vote. How many people

2650
02:45:43,200 --> 02:45:44,320
Speaker 7: you think came out to vote?

2651
02:45:44,320 --> 02:45:49,240
Speaker 9: Brother Shabbas, which election?

2652
02:45:49,360 --> 02:45:50,879
Speaker 5: Now this is election for which for who?

2653
02:45:51,959 --> 02:45:54,400
Speaker 7: This was the election that just happened in November. This

2654
02:45:54,600 --> 02:45:57,000
Speaker 7: was the local election for the for the mayor, for

2655
02:45:57,600 --> 02:45:58,240
Speaker 7: some judges.

2656
02:45:58,440 --> 02:46:01,080
Speaker 5: Over the election, well, let me.

2657
02:46:01,160 --> 02:46:11,000
Speaker 7: Guess eleven percent, man, eleven percent, about two thousand people, man,

2658
02:46:11,080 --> 02:46:13,840
Speaker 7: came out twenty one hundred, two thousand people. May you

2659
02:46:14,000 --> 02:46:17,920
Speaker 7: understand that's because the people are disengaged. I was walking

2660
02:46:17,959 --> 02:46:19,720
Speaker 7: from the back from the store one day and I

2661
02:46:19,840 --> 02:46:21,840
Speaker 7: bumped into a sister. She had some signs in front

2662
02:46:21,840 --> 02:46:24,080
Speaker 7: of her house. We talked for a minute, and we

2663
02:46:24,200 --> 02:46:27,640
Speaker 7: both agreed that you know, the judges are corrupted. We

2664
02:46:27,800 --> 02:46:30,840
Speaker 7: know the corruption here, and so that's a glimpse into

2665
02:46:31,280 --> 02:46:35,160
Speaker 7: that black people, man, And I think it's indicative around

2666
02:46:35,200 --> 02:46:38,280
Speaker 7: the country where black folks are disengaged with this process

2667
02:46:38,760 --> 02:46:41,840
Speaker 7: because we see, man, there's a divide in our community

2668
02:46:41,959 --> 02:46:45,400
Speaker 7: on race, on economics, on all of that. Black folks

2669
02:46:45,480 --> 02:46:48,080
Speaker 7: got to deal with their problems before they keep talking

2670
02:46:48,080 --> 02:46:51,480
Speaker 7: about these white folks. And that's what y'all talking about today.

2671
02:46:51,520 --> 02:46:51,640
Speaker 4: Man.

2672
02:46:51,680 --> 02:46:54,320
Speaker 7: It's crazy, man, because you know what attorneyship bods. I

2673
02:46:54,360 --> 02:46:56,440
Speaker 7: told you, Man, I'm going to law school. That's what

2674
02:46:56,520 --> 02:46:58,240
Speaker 7: I've been I've been up studying last night because I'm

2675
02:46:58,240 --> 02:47:00,800
Speaker 7: trying to finish my courses stuff so I can get

2676
02:47:00,800 --> 02:47:02,520
Speaker 7: where I need to be. I want to participate with

2677
02:47:02,640 --> 02:47:05,440
Speaker 7: what you're doing a legal fight. But that's the problem,

2678
02:47:05,959 --> 02:47:09,400
Speaker 7: Tony Shabbas. I just don't understand it.

2679
02:47:09,480 --> 02:47:09,600
Speaker 14: Man.

2680
02:47:09,680 --> 02:47:12,640
Speaker 7: I'm shocked by this man. But our people, and that's

2681
02:47:12,680 --> 02:47:14,240
Speaker 7: what black folk has been saying in the city for

2682
02:47:14,320 --> 02:47:17,000
Speaker 7: a long time. It's the black leadership. It's like they

2683
02:47:17,160 --> 02:47:20,080
Speaker 7: hate the black the poor black residents of this city.

2684
02:47:20,320 --> 02:47:22,640
Speaker 7: They do everything to go against us. But I just

2685
02:47:22,680 --> 02:47:24,800
Speaker 7: wanted to put that out there to the for the

2686
02:47:24,879 --> 02:47:28,000
Speaker 7: world to know a black mayor, black law director, black

2687
02:47:28,040 --> 02:47:33,240
Speaker 7: public safety director colluded with the Trump dj to terminate

2688
02:47:33,520 --> 02:47:37,880
Speaker 7: the watchdog for these police in the city of Cleveland.

2689
02:47:38,080 --> 02:47:40,040
Speaker 7: Thank you, brother Shabbaz, just for listening to me. I

2690
02:47:40,080 --> 02:47:40,680
Speaker 7: appreciate it.

2691
02:47:40,800 --> 02:47:43,560
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you, thank you so thank you so much,

2692
02:47:43,640 --> 02:47:47,520
Speaker 5: dear brother, and uh again, I want to help you

2693
02:47:47,760 --> 02:47:51,240
Speaker 5: the journey to become an attorney. So if you may

2694
02:47:51,320 --> 02:47:55,160
Speaker 5: have talked before, but still I got internships available at

2695
02:47:55,240 --> 02:47:59,080
Speaker 5: Black Lawyers for Justice and again you can text too.

2696
02:47:59,240 --> 02:48:04,520
Speaker 5: Four oh six eight eight seven three five two four

2697
02:48:05,040 --> 02:48:08,520
Speaker 5: six eight eight seven three five af you stopped by

2698
02:48:08,600 --> 02:48:11,680
Speaker 5: my office on New Hampshire Avenue, and we can chop

2699
02:48:11,760 --> 02:48:14,920
Speaker 5: it up all the consent decrees and a quick word,

2700
02:48:15,640 --> 02:48:19,680
Speaker 5: I'm sad that that happened in Cleveland with the audience.

2701
02:48:19,760 --> 02:48:23,920
Speaker 5: A consented decree is when UH, the city and its

2702
02:48:24,000 --> 02:48:27,800
Speaker 5: police department reaches an agreement with the Department of Justice

2703
02:48:28,320 --> 02:48:33,640
Speaker 5: to make a certain amount of legally mandated reforms UH

2704
02:48:34,120 --> 02:48:37,320
Speaker 5: in the in the police department as a result of

2705
02:48:37,480 --> 02:48:43,920
Speaker 5: having been found deficient and in their operations when they've

2706
02:48:43,959 --> 02:48:48,240
Speaker 5: been founded either to be unconstitutionally operating or just in

2707
02:48:48,400 --> 02:48:52,360
Speaker 5: bad standing. What happened was, it's like Christen Clark, who

2708
02:48:52,400 --> 02:48:55,039
Speaker 5: had a great relationship with before she got put out

2709
02:48:55,840 --> 02:49:00,320
Speaker 5: a civil rights leader division leader of d OJ. Well,

2710
02:49:00,400 --> 02:49:03,280
Speaker 5: Christian Clark's out there, you've got a completely different civil

2711
02:49:03,400 --> 02:49:08,080
Speaker 5: rights department, completely different DJ. They rolled back the agreements

2712
02:49:08,160 --> 02:49:11,920
Speaker 5: in Cleveland, they rolled them back in Minneapolis. They tried

2713
02:49:12,000 --> 02:49:15,600
Speaker 5: to roll it back in Ranking County, Mississippi. However, we

2714
02:49:15,760 --> 02:49:20,279
Speaker 5: are here to say that it wasn't a consent decree,

2715
02:49:20,360 --> 02:49:26,000
Speaker 5: but the Department of Justice investigation continues into Ranking County, Mississippi,

2716
02:49:26,000 --> 02:49:30,440
Speaker 5: where some of my key clients came from. It's rollbacks everywhere,

2717
02:49:30,600 --> 02:49:34,560
Speaker 5: and you speak to the point of our collaboration and

2718
02:49:34,879 --> 02:49:38,680
Speaker 5: consent to rollbacks, which speaks to the fact that people

2719
02:49:38,800 --> 02:49:42,360
Speaker 5: are not voting and coming out strong because they don't

2720
02:49:42,400 --> 02:49:45,480
Speaker 5: feel like they have candidates that are stepping up strong

2721
02:49:45,959 --> 02:49:50,360
Speaker 5: and uncompromising for This is where black leadership is missing.

2722
02:49:50,879 --> 02:49:55,160
Speaker 5: This is where Donald Trump and the MAGA is rising,

2723
02:49:55,600 --> 02:49:58,760
Speaker 5: because as offensive as they might be to people that

2724
02:49:58,879 --> 02:50:03,120
Speaker 5: don't like them, they're speaking strongly in many senses, radically

2725
02:50:03,280 --> 02:50:07,520
Speaker 5: from a white perspective, radically to their base. And what

2726
02:50:07,720 --> 02:50:10,600
Speaker 5: they have done is fired up their base and fired

2727
02:50:10,680 --> 02:50:15,640
Speaker 5: up their movement by being white, uncompromising for their people.

2728
02:50:16,240 --> 02:50:18,480
Speaker 5: And we don't have that on our end. We don't

2729
02:50:18,520 --> 02:50:23,400
Speaker 5: have Black people elected officials and leadership that will take risks,

2730
02:50:23,440 --> 02:50:27,000
Speaker 5: that will speak up, that will oppose the establishment, that

2731
02:50:27,120 --> 02:50:30,200
Speaker 5: will fire people up to come out and vote of

2732
02:50:30,400 --> 02:50:32,640
Speaker 5: This is what we're lacking. But this is also the

2733
02:50:32,800 --> 02:50:37,480
Speaker 5: chance for young people and a new generation of black

2734
02:50:37,560 --> 02:50:40,480
Speaker 5: people who working in this system. With all the constraints

2735
02:50:40,560 --> 02:50:44,200
Speaker 5: it has, still there's much room for new set of

2736
02:50:44,280 --> 02:50:51,600
Speaker 5: black political movements, black political parties, black political candidates and efforts.

2737
02:50:51,959 --> 02:50:55,959
Speaker 5: But they must be stronger and they must be uncompromising

2738
02:50:56,040 --> 02:50:59,280
Speaker 5: if they're going to draw black people's attention. I mean,

2739
02:50:59,320 --> 02:51:02,480
Speaker 5: that's why black people liked far Kime, Minister far Khin

2740
02:51:02,560 --> 02:51:06,320
Speaker 5: at his heyday, because he was considered to be uncompromising.

2741
02:51:08,080 --> 02:51:11,760
Speaker 5: At least those that respected Jesse Jackson at his heyday,

2742
02:51:11,800 --> 02:51:14,360
Speaker 5: they considered him to be one that was shaking up

2743
02:51:14,400 --> 02:51:17,800
Speaker 5: the system. I mean, you really don't even have black

2744
02:51:17,920 --> 02:51:23,000
Speaker 5: politicians that are even approaching the strength of Jesse Jackson today.

2745
02:51:23,640 --> 02:51:25,960
Speaker 5: I mean, and that's sad, but hopefully, but I believe

2746
02:51:25,959 --> 02:51:29,160
Speaker 5: it to get better. Believe it's gonna get better. We

2747
02:51:29,280 --> 02:51:31,119
Speaker 5: go on to the next call, all.

2748
02:51:31,040 --> 02:51:32,720
Speaker 1: Right, and we're as step us side for a few months,

2749
02:51:32,840 --> 02:51:34,200
Speaker 1: twenty four away from the top.

2750
02:51:34,280 --> 02:51:34,400
Speaker 4: There.

2751
02:51:34,400 --> 02:51:35,960
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of folks that want to speak

2752
02:51:36,000 --> 02:51:38,200
Speaker 1: with you, Attorney Malik Shabaz. If you're out there, you

2753
02:51:38,280 --> 02:51:40,280
Speaker 1: want to join the conversation, just reach out to us.

2754
02:51:40,320 --> 02:51:42,680
Speaker 1: Our telephone him is simple. It's eight hundred four or

2755
02:51:42,720 --> 02:51:45,800
Speaker 1: five zero seventy eight seventy six and we'll take your

2756
02:51:45,840 --> 02:51:46,959
Speaker 1: phone calls next.

2757
02:51:46,800 --> 02:51:48,120
Speaker 4: And grind rising. Family.

2758
02:51:48,200 --> 02:51:50,280
Speaker 1: Thanks to staying with us on this Monday morning. Thanks

2759
02:51:50,320 --> 02:51:52,240
Speaker 1: for starting your week with us. I guess he's attorney

2760
02:51:52,240 --> 02:51:54,360
Speaker 1: of Malik Shabaz. He's the founder of the Black Lawyers

2761
02:51:54,440 --> 02:51:56,320
Speaker 1: for Justice. Before we go back to you, and just

2762
02:51:56,400 --> 02:51:58,000
Speaker 1: remind you come up later this week you go to

2763
02:51:58,040 --> 02:52:00,840
Speaker 1: hear from another attorney, Tony five Row Torrey will be

2764
02:52:00,920 --> 02:52:04,160
Speaker 1: with us, also chematologist Tony Browner and the founder of

2765
02:52:04,200 --> 02:52:07,800
Speaker 1: the University of African People's Organization, Zachie Bruti will be here.

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02:52:08,080 --> 02:52:11,400
Speaker 1: The master teacher himself, brother Astra Quasi, and also one

2767
02:52:11,440 --> 02:52:13,880
Speaker 1: of the Gregory sons, your Hansei Gregor will Jonas as well.

2768
02:52:13,959 --> 02:52:15,680
Speaker 1: So if you are in Baltimore, make sure you keep

2769
02:52:15,720 --> 02:52:18,800
Speaker 1: that radio locked in real tight to ten ten WLB

2770
02:52:19,240 --> 02:52:21,920
Speaker 1: or if you're in the DMV, run fourteen fifty w OL.

2771
02:52:22,200 --> 02:52:24,400
Speaker 1: All right, at Tournament League US, A bunch of folks

2772
02:52:24,400 --> 02:52:26,000
Speaker 1: want to talk to you. Let's start with Brother Collis.

2773
02:52:26,040 --> 02:52:31,760
Speaker 1: He's online too, He's in Waldoff Grand Rising, Brother Collis Grand.

2774
02:52:31,560 --> 02:52:37,200
Speaker 14: Rising, and thank you, Brother Sabbaz for your your eloquent analysis,

2775
02:52:38,120 --> 02:52:44,160
Speaker 14: Brother Sabas. I am amazed at how naive some of

2776
02:52:44,240 --> 02:52:49,039
Speaker 14: our people are about how we can forge a black

2777
02:52:49,120 --> 02:52:51,560
Speaker 14: agenda at this stage of the game where we have

2778
02:52:51,640 --> 02:52:54,800
Speaker 14: a monster in the White House such as Donald A.

2779
02:52:55,240 --> 02:52:59,920
Speaker 14: Donald J. Trump, and that we should be focused on

2780
02:53:00,240 --> 02:53:05,880
Speaker 14: getting out and with the money that's involved that Trump

2781
02:53:06,040 --> 02:53:09,039
Speaker 14: has behind him today. The only thing that we can

2782
02:53:09,120 --> 02:53:12,040
Speaker 14: do is to get our people out to vote and

2783
02:53:12,240 --> 02:53:15,519
Speaker 14: vote democratic this time around. I'm going to say democratic

2784
02:53:15,640 --> 02:53:16,560
Speaker 14: this time around.

2785
02:53:17,120 --> 02:53:17,240
Speaker 1: Uh.

2786
02:53:17,959 --> 02:53:21,640
Speaker 14: You realize that the Jewish people have put million one,

2787
02:53:21,760 --> 02:53:26,440
Speaker 14: hundreds of millions of dollars behind Trump marrying adult son

2788
02:53:26,720 --> 02:53:31,360
Speaker 14: and others, and the tech begging ass and put me

2789
02:53:31,879 --> 02:53:34,880
Speaker 14: hundreds of millions of dollars behind Trump, and we had to.

2790
02:53:34,959 --> 02:53:38,240
Speaker 14: We don't have that kind of money. So it's prosperous

2791
02:53:38,320 --> 02:53:40,920
Speaker 14: to me for us to even think that we can

2792
02:53:41,120 --> 02:53:45,720
Speaker 14: marshal that kind of support money wise to get that

2793
02:53:45,879 --> 02:53:48,920
Speaker 14: man out of their White House. And we've got to

2794
02:53:48,959 --> 02:53:52,280
Speaker 14: get him out of there, you know, to save ourselves.

2795
02:53:52,360 --> 02:53:56,080
Speaker 5: What do you think, my dear brother, I believe he

2796
02:53:56,160 --> 02:53:59,920
Speaker 5: has to be out. I mean, he's absolutely a time

2797
02:54:00,360 --> 02:54:01,680
Speaker 5: and he's he's dangerous.

2798
02:54:02,400 --> 02:54:02,520
Speaker 9: Uh.

2799
02:54:02,600 --> 02:54:05,760
Speaker 5: Don't look like we'll talk about it today. But I'm

2800
02:54:05,840 --> 02:54:10,160
Speaker 5: predicting what in seven days the United States government under

2801
02:54:10,200 --> 02:54:13,520
Speaker 5: the leadership of Donald Trump, is going to it's going

2802
02:54:13,640 --> 02:54:17,440
Speaker 5: to launch a military attack on Iraq, and that they're

2803
02:54:17,560 --> 02:54:20,680
Speaker 5: going to try to specifically kill the leader the Aya,

2804
02:54:20,800 --> 02:54:24,879
Speaker 5: Tola Komani and his son that's my intelligence reading at

2805
02:54:24,920 --> 02:54:27,879
Speaker 5: this hour that there will be a military attack from

2806
02:54:27,920 --> 02:54:32,880
Speaker 5: those aircraft carriers and other planes and one half the

2807
02:54:33,040 --> 02:54:36,520
Speaker 5: US air Force. And they're seeking to do to Iran

2808
02:54:36,720 --> 02:54:44,119
Speaker 5: and Aya tolah Amani what they did to brother Muaima

2809
02:54:44,280 --> 02:54:51,959
Speaker 5: Kadafi under Obama Clinton administration, and what bush Uh George

2810
02:54:52,000 --> 02:54:57,000
Speaker 5: Bush Junior did under a to Saddam Hussein as he

2811
02:54:57,160 --> 02:55:00,320
Speaker 5: was killed out there. He was hung later after being

2812
02:55:00,400 --> 02:55:03,400
Speaker 5: captured in the desert. Uh, the other points have just

2813
02:55:03,680 --> 02:55:08,160
Speaker 5: tried to do him done to uh either at one point,

2814
02:55:08,280 --> 02:55:12,440
Speaker 5: Manuel Noriega a at this point, Nicholas Maduro so so

2815
02:55:12,600 --> 02:55:16,560
Speaker 5: brother that just that one reason alone, and the fact

2816
02:55:16,600 --> 02:55:21,959
Speaker 5: that this man operates extra judicially. He he operates without approval.

2817
02:55:22,080 --> 02:55:27,120
Speaker 5: The United States military is not supposed to use military force.

2818
02:55:27,240 --> 02:55:30,560
Speaker 5: It's only supposed to use military force in defense of

2819
02:55:30,840 --> 02:55:35,879
Speaker 5: national security with our congressional approval. You have a spineless

2820
02:55:36,160 --> 02:55:40,080
Speaker 5: congress that that that will not put any checks on him.

2821
02:55:40,160 --> 02:55:46,080
Speaker 5: And so so therefore, uh, you know, uh, if the

2822
02:55:46,280 --> 02:55:51,240
Speaker 5: if the Democratic position is is too obviously the Democrats

2823
02:55:51,280 --> 02:55:54,080
Speaker 5: have the lead on this because there's there's nothing else

2824
02:55:54,160 --> 02:55:58,480
Speaker 5: really going on. So if Trump's power is cut and

2825
02:55:58,760 --> 02:56:04,879
Speaker 5: either politically right. If something else happens, greater guy's got

2826
02:56:04,959 --> 02:56:09,600
Speaker 5: to go. I mean, and it's not even funny in

2827
02:56:09,720 --> 02:56:14,440
Speaker 5: the midst of it, though, my brother, self determination still

2828
02:56:15,040 --> 02:56:18,280
Speaker 5: should be going on when you have a right wing

2829
02:56:18,480 --> 02:56:23,400
Speaker 5: radical extremist in office, and we always say that that

2830
02:56:23,560 --> 02:56:26,280
Speaker 5: when these times happen, that these are the times that

2831
02:56:26,440 --> 02:56:30,400
Speaker 5: we will come together. It's still is kind of embarrassing.

2832
02:56:31,400 --> 02:56:35,280
Speaker 5: Uh man, two years later, when we're still talking about

2833
02:56:35,600 --> 02:56:39,680
Speaker 5: possibly forming a black agenda, and we're still talking in

2834
02:56:39,840 --> 02:56:43,440
Speaker 5: theoretical terms. White people are not talking in theoretical terms.

2835
02:56:43,480 --> 02:56:47,800
Speaker 5: They're moving in military terms. So yeah, this guy's got

2836
02:56:47,920 --> 02:56:50,560
Speaker 5: to go by whatever means necessary. He's got to go.

2837
02:56:50,840 --> 02:56:55,920
Speaker 5: But uh, unless we're practicing self determination, unless we are

2838
02:56:56,080 --> 02:56:59,200
Speaker 5: going to pick up some points from Elijah and put

2839
02:56:59,280 --> 02:57:05,200
Speaker 5: Elijah's program, Malcolm program, uh Huey P. Newton program uh

2840
02:57:05,360 --> 02:57:08,480
Speaker 5: into into action, then uh, then we're gonna be going

2841
02:57:08,560 --> 02:57:11,200
Speaker 5: around in circles. And so so I just all I

2842
02:57:11,280 --> 02:57:14,000
Speaker 5: can say is, uh, I'm here to do my part

2843
02:57:14,600 --> 02:57:17,560
Speaker 5: and I'm hoping for better. All right.

2844
02:57:17,760 --> 02:57:20,560
Speaker 1: Fourteen away from the top of Let's go to Memphis.

2845
02:57:20,720 --> 02:57:24,400
Speaker 1: Brother Williams calling on line five, Brother William Grand Rising

2846
02:57:24,600 --> 02:57:27,760
Speaker 1: on with the Turning League, Shabaz Grand Rising.

2847
02:57:27,879 --> 02:57:32,200
Speaker 18: I slam a lake Im, I'm a don Mubarick, I

2848
02:57:32,320 --> 02:57:35,800
Speaker 18: am zacharie On. Yes, sir, I'm happy to be on

2849
02:57:36,000 --> 02:57:39,280
Speaker 18: this morning, and uh, it's a very very powerful conversation.

2850
02:57:39,920 --> 02:57:45,000
Speaker 18: I first want to thank brother Malik, thank you for

2851
02:57:45,879 --> 02:57:48,760
Speaker 18: you are on the front line. Brother, you are a soldier,

2852
02:57:49,640 --> 02:57:55,440
Speaker 18: and UH definitely appreciate your work. I appreciate the fact that, uh, you.

2853
02:57:55,640 --> 02:58:02,600
Speaker 19: Are making connections in the way that they need to

2854
02:58:02,800 --> 02:58:07,680
Speaker 19: be connected. You're connected with the nation, You're connected with

2855
02:58:07,840 --> 02:58:11,680
Speaker 19: other groups and organizations that are outside of the nation,

2856
02:58:12,600 --> 02:58:19,640
Speaker 19: and you are starting to bring these forces together. So

2857
02:58:19,920 --> 02:58:23,400
Speaker 19: you are doing a good work.

2858
02:58:23,560 --> 02:58:30,440
Speaker 20: Because a buzz is stirring up. Now, Brother, a buzz

2859
02:58:30,720 --> 02:58:36,960
Speaker 20: is stirring up. I'm listening. I received your texts. I'm

2860
02:58:37,040 --> 02:58:42,680
Speaker 20: listening to prayer and fasting. Okay, I am Muslim, I

2861
02:58:42,800 --> 02:58:46,800
Speaker 20: am in the ranks. Okay, we just need to keep

2862
02:58:47,160 --> 02:58:48,560
Speaker 20: pushing this thing forward.

2863
02:58:49,280 --> 02:58:53,840
Speaker 21: A lot of us aren't going to join on, but

2864
02:58:55,120 --> 02:58:59,959
Speaker 21: those that will are the ones that we want.

2865
02:59:00,959 --> 02:59:04,280
Speaker 20: And yes, sir, brother, I'm making a comment per se,

2866
02:59:04,600 --> 02:59:06,480
Speaker 20: not necessarily a question.

2867
02:59:06,680 --> 02:59:07,640
Speaker 9: So I'm almost through.

2868
02:59:07,680 --> 02:59:10,000
Speaker 8: I know your short of time.

2869
02:59:10,600 --> 02:59:15,080
Speaker 20: At the same time, what we're seeing going on in Iran,

2870
02:59:16,360 --> 02:59:21,280
Speaker 20: Yes that's coming here. Yes sir, that will be coming here.

2871
02:59:22,000 --> 02:59:23,359
Speaker 9: When the Minister.

2872
02:59:24,520 --> 02:59:30,840
Speaker 20: Is away from us, then that head just removed, and

2873
02:59:30,959 --> 02:59:35,400
Speaker 20: then that Trump and those Zionists will be coming after us.

2874
02:59:35,480 --> 02:59:39,280
Speaker 20: That's the wind that's blowing on us. That's the wind

2875
02:59:39,320 --> 02:59:42,720
Speaker 20: that's blowing on us. So when that wind really begins

2876
02:59:42,800 --> 02:59:45,560
Speaker 20: to blow on us, then we will begin to stand

2877
02:59:45,640 --> 02:59:47,960
Speaker 20: up in an exceedingly great number and do what we

2878
02:59:48,120 --> 02:59:52,200
Speaker 20: need to do our divine solution. Again, it is the

2879
02:59:52,360 --> 02:59:53,240
Speaker 20: nine ministries.

2880
02:59:53,840 --> 02:59:54,160
Speaker 5: That's it.

2881
02:59:54,600 --> 02:59:57,880
Speaker 20: So whatever everybody else is out there doing, they're doing this,

2882
02:59:58,080 --> 03:00:00,959
Speaker 20: they're doing that, they're doing the other. All we got

2883
03:00:01,120 --> 03:00:03,879
Speaker 20: to do now is bring it together. The non ministry

2884
03:00:03,959 --> 03:00:07,400
Speaker 20: is not going to change your identity as as as

2885
03:00:07,640 --> 03:00:09,840
Speaker 20: as what it is that you do. It does not

2886
03:00:10,000 --> 03:00:14,040
Speaker 20: change your identity. We just bringing it together and we

2887
03:00:14,200 --> 03:00:18,080
Speaker 20: put it under ministry and it can work. The ministry

2888
03:00:18,120 --> 03:00:23,160
Speaker 20: starts from the bottom up and not from the top down. Okay,

2889
03:00:23,760 --> 03:00:27,480
Speaker 20: stop looking for the minister. It's all about us now.

2890
03:00:28,640 --> 03:00:30,800
Speaker 20: We got to take everything that we've learned from the

2891
03:00:30,879 --> 03:00:34,800
Speaker 20: Minister and all of the other great leaders and put

2892
03:00:34,879 --> 03:00:38,360
Speaker 20: it to work. It's what you bring out of you

2893
03:00:38,959 --> 03:00:40,280
Speaker 20: that makes the change.

2894
03:00:41,120 --> 03:00:43,000
Speaker 6: It's what comes out.

2895
03:00:42,920 --> 03:00:43,840
Speaker 20: Of me that makes it.

2896
03:00:45,160 --> 03:00:48,959
Speaker 4: Because we're racing the clock, I want to get response.

2897
03:00:49,280 --> 03:00:52,160
Speaker 5: Okay, well, thank you so much for your comments. I

2898
03:00:52,280 --> 03:00:54,840
Speaker 5: want to quickly get to I do want to say

2899
03:00:54,920 --> 03:00:56,520
Speaker 5: this far I go forward. I want to give a

2900
03:00:56,600 --> 03:01:00,440
Speaker 5: shout out to National Civil Rights leader John bar Barnett,

2901
03:01:01,200 --> 03:01:04,840
Speaker 5: who's working across this country. John Barnett, who's working across

2902
03:01:04,879 --> 03:01:06,880
Speaker 5: the country. I want to give a shout out to

2903
03:01:06,959 --> 03:01:11,120
Speaker 5: Elder Momoja A Jabu who's working hard on behalf of

2904
03:01:11,240 --> 03:01:14,440
Speaker 5: Bekina Fosso and the Pan African movement as part of

2905
03:01:14,520 --> 03:01:17,080
Speaker 5: the Black Panther movement. I want to give a shout

2906
03:01:17,120 --> 03:01:20,560
Speaker 5: out to the Reverend Jamal Bryant, who I'm going to

2907
03:01:21,040 --> 03:01:25,760
Speaker 5: be meeting with soon. And despite whatever critics he has,

2908
03:01:25,879 --> 03:01:28,840
Speaker 5: I think that Jamal Brian is doing a good job.

2909
03:01:29,000 --> 03:01:32,680
Speaker 5: I've known him in my organizational space for some years

2910
03:01:33,120 --> 03:01:35,879
Speaker 5: and I'm hoping that our discussions will be will prove

2911
03:01:36,000 --> 03:01:39,600
Speaker 5: fruitful in the near future. You, my brother, speak to

2912
03:01:41,080 --> 03:01:44,160
Speaker 5: the good, good points here and we're going to be

2913
03:01:44,240 --> 03:01:48,800
Speaker 5: getting into these points of self determination in nation building

2914
03:01:49,320 --> 03:01:54,119
Speaker 5: at at the Tribute the online tribute to the program

2915
03:01:54,320 --> 03:01:58,320
Speaker 5: of the Honorabile Elijah Muhammad, where many of the Muslims

2916
03:01:59,200 --> 03:02:03,039
Speaker 5: and people have been influenced by the Muslim movement. Malcolm

2917
03:02:03,280 --> 03:02:08,440
Speaker 5: X Muhammad, Ali Lewis Farakhan, Honorable Silas Mohammad, followers of

2918
03:02:08,520 --> 03:02:13,000
Speaker 5: Imam marv. Dean Muhammad, followers of brother colle It Mohammad.

2919
03:02:13,360 --> 03:02:17,920
Speaker 5: They're all going to be gathering starting Thursday, Friday and Saturday.

2920
03:02:18,040 --> 03:02:21,680
Speaker 5: This Thursday, evening, Friday and Saturday. You can follow it

2921
03:02:21,879 --> 03:02:26,040
Speaker 5: at Elijah Muhammad dot Org or you can follow it

2922
03:02:26,160 --> 03:02:30,840
Speaker 5: on prayer and fasting Chief Obdual Malik and Doctor Abdul

2923
03:02:30,879 --> 03:02:35,520
Speaker 5: Ali Muhammad. And this conference should give you hope. So

2924
03:02:35,640 --> 03:02:39,040
Speaker 5: what my brother speaks of, in a word, what he's

2925
03:02:39,080 --> 03:02:42,560
Speaker 5: speaking of, Brother Carlos, He's saying, we must have a

2926
03:02:43,120 --> 03:02:47,840
Speaker 5: national Ministry of economics, that we must have a national

2927
03:02:48,040 --> 03:02:52,280
Speaker 5: Ministry of justice, that we must have a national Ministry

2928
03:02:52,360 --> 03:02:55,400
Speaker 5: of health, and that the best of our some and

2929
03:02:55,520 --> 03:02:59,400
Speaker 5: that some structure or process must take place where the

2930
03:02:59,520 --> 03:03:02,880
Speaker 5: best of our minds and these fields are actively and

2931
03:03:04,080 --> 03:03:07,880
Speaker 5: above our working for the betterment of our people. And

2932
03:03:07,959 --> 03:03:10,040
Speaker 5: I believe you'll see some signs out of that. We

2933
03:03:10,200 --> 03:03:14,280
Speaker 5: need a national Ministry of Justice, a national ministry of health,

2934
03:03:14,560 --> 03:03:16,600
Speaker 5: a national ministry of economics.

2935
03:03:16,680 --> 03:03:17,240
Speaker 9: We need a.

2936
03:03:17,720 --> 03:03:22,200
Speaker 5: Process that we're getting to where we have to go. Uh.

2937
03:03:22,440 --> 03:03:25,960
Speaker 5: So Afro Descended Nation. You can also watch it on

2938
03:03:26,160 --> 03:03:30,160
Speaker 5: AFRO Descended Nation this week and and uh there's gonna

2939
03:03:30,160 --> 03:03:33,120
Speaker 5: be some hope, some more hopes as we as we

2940
03:03:33,240 --> 03:03:36,120
Speaker 5: move along, more hope and more progress.

2941
03:03:37,440 --> 03:03:40,080
Speaker 1: All right, shaving away for the top of you, Huro

2942
03:03:40,320 --> 03:03:42,640
Speaker 1: color for DC online, one can get quick for us.

2943
03:03:42,680 --> 03:03:45,600
Speaker 1: Your question for Attorney League Shabat's grind rising brother.

2944
03:03:49,120 --> 03:03:54,640
Speaker 4: Is who are that? Let's yeah, we can hear it out.

2945
03:03:54,680 --> 03:04:01,720
Speaker 11: Go ahead, bro, okay, some blessings, brother, Ushaba's I congratulate you.

2946
03:04:01,800 --> 03:04:04,400
Speaker 11: Sit on your work, keep shine, to keep doing the work.

2947
03:04:05,120 --> 03:04:09,039
Speaker 11: I am definitely in a certain state right now. I'm

2948
03:04:09,080 --> 03:04:14,200
Speaker 11: looking at your president and he disinvited Wes Moore to

2949
03:04:14,360 --> 03:04:18,360
Speaker 11: the dinner, but yet he invited him to breakfast. So

2950
03:04:18,920 --> 03:04:22,760
Speaker 11: my question and comment is in reference to justice. You

2951
03:04:22,920 --> 03:04:25,160
Speaker 11: and I know, brother, we was on the front line

2952
03:04:25,280 --> 03:04:29,560
Speaker 11: to make sure that he instilled the reparations bill, but

2953
03:04:29,760 --> 03:04:33,520
Speaker 11: yet he vetoed the bill and it was overridden. And

2954
03:04:33,640 --> 03:04:36,320
Speaker 11: now you see what's going on with him now? But

2955
03:04:36,520 --> 03:04:40,680
Speaker 11: in reference to that, he was the third governor of

2956
03:04:40,879 --> 03:04:44,720
Speaker 11: the third black governor. So my question, Din brother is like,

2957
03:04:44,879 --> 03:04:49,120
Speaker 11: how can we re establish our own faith because you

2958
03:04:49,240 --> 03:04:52,920
Speaker 11: and I know, sometimes because you're black don't mean that

2959
03:04:53,040 --> 03:04:56,600
Speaker 11: you're black. And wes Moore has been doing the work.

2960
03:04:57,240 --> 03:04:59,760
Speaker 11: But at the same token, he has been invited to

2961
03:04:59,840 --> 03:05:02,680
Speaker 11: a breakfast, and I don't think that that should be

2962
03:05:03,600 --> 03:05:09,040
Speaker 11: our final analysis, not to mention with Michael Johnson, Deniah

2963
03:05:09,120 --> 03:05:12,800
Speaker 11: Reverend Jesse Jackson to be his body be laid at

2964
03:05:12,800 --> 03:05:16,119
Speaker 11: the conthedion. But it's all about the people and addressing

2965
03:05:16,200 --> 03:05:21,320
Speaker 11: the issue. So that is my concern. But more importantly,

2966
03:05:21,400 --> 03:05:24,240
Speaker 11: I'm more concerned about what you were speaking of earlier.

2967
03:05:24,680 --> 03:05:28,320
Speaker 11: We have to have some strong black leadership. We gotta

2968
03:05:28,400 --> 03:05:30,039
Speaker 11: have some Carl Nelson show.

2969
03:05:30,040 --> 03:05:31,800
Speaker 4: Right, Huro.

2970
03:05:31,920 --> 03:05:34,080
Speaker 1: I gotta cut you there because we got about sixty

2971
03:05:34,120 --> 03:05:36,640
Speaker 1: seconds to give a tournament leak Shabaya a chance to

2972
03:05:36,680 --> 03:05:38,360
Speaker 1: respond to what you just said. But I thank you

2973
03:05:38,440 --> 03:05:40,480
Speaker 1: for your call, okt Her counselor.

2974
03:05:40,560 --> 03:05:43,520
Speaker 5: Brother you Whoru, brother you Whulu minister Hunter. We honor

2975
03:05:43,600 --> 03:05:46,920
Speaker 5: you and everything you said, brother, and straight ahead and

2976
03:05:47,000 --> 03:05:51,359
Speaker 5: good luck to Governor wes Moore. His veto of reparations

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Speaker 5: in Maryland was overridden and that's a victory for Maryland.

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Speaker 5: And hopefully he learned something and still hopefully he'd be stronger.

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Speaker 5: He is longer as we go to the future, we

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Speaker 5: need him to be strong. So I want to say

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Speaker 5: again Black Lawyers for justice and Attorney Shabazz is for

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Speaker 5: unity and moving our people forward on all levels. Attorney

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Speaker 5: Shabazz is here to help. Specifically tomorrow at one o'clock

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Speaker 5: you can watch online and black rights well watch online

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Speaker 5: on my Facebook page Family of Malik L. Carter who

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Speaker 5: died and lead Penitentiary in Pennington, Virginia. That news conference

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Speaker 5: in his family. You'll see that at one o'clock tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: Again on March ninth, the Hot Sauce case where the

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Speaker 5: teacher abused the disabled student at Norwood Elementary, that's my

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Speaker 5: case and that's March ninth and Superior Court. Jallo, Brother

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Speaker 5: Jallo theree. You'll hear about him on the news soon.

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Speaker 5: He's a Black American person. Maybe he'll be back on here.

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Speaker 5: He's a Black American young man abused by ice, jacked

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Speaker 5: up by ice in the DC Police Department. Letting you

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Speaker 5: know that ice is not just for immigrants. Well, you're

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Speaker 5: gonna hear about his case soon. And our text is

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Speaker 5: two four to oh six eight eight zero seven three five.

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Speaker 5: I'm looking for interns. And also we will evaluate your

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Speaker 5: cases if you send the evidence there. And also we're

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Speaker 5: doing some really strong things and the Personal Injury Department,

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Speaker 5: Personal Injury Department and getting black people and getting our

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Speaker 5: people the more compensation through ever for getting their cases

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Speaker 5: analyzed better and getting their work done. Thank you for

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Speaker 5: having me on this conversation. And we see you at

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Speaker 5: the Elijah Muhammad Tribute Conference starting this Thursday on Elijah

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Speaker 5: Muhammad dot org and all over face book. Thank you,

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Speaker 5: brother Carl Nelson for providing the dialogue. Every other black

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Speaker 5: leader and guests that come on this show, I'm your brother,

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Speaker 5: call me anytime. I love to talk with you. And

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Speaker 5: if there's anything we got to heal, let's heal it

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Speaker 5: so we could try to go forth. If you listen

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Speaker 5: to our people, they want us to come together and

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Speaker 5: they need help. Well anybody and everybody is working on

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Speaker 5: our end. We have our arms wide open. Okay, thanks

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Speaker 5: so much.

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Speaker 4: And thank you. Well said.

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Speaker 1: Family, that's it for the day. Class is dismissed. Stay strong,

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Speaker 1: stay positive. Please, please stay healthy. We'll see you tomorrow morning,

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Speaker 1: six o'clock right here in Baltimore on ten ten WLB

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Speaker 1: and the DMV on fourteen fifty WOL