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Speaker 3: last year and a half, probably since the for me,

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Speaker 2: Year when we went out there and took it to them,

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Speaker 2: And then we get to this season and you go

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Speaker 2: You start the Big Ten season against Illinois, who nobody

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Speaker 2: and it's just hasn't and we, you know, and as

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Speaker 2: Obviously starts with coach Signetti and the culture that he

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Speaker 2: up to a team that executes, and if they make

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if they answer your questions, but

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Speaker 1: You know, Chris to me, christ did Oh is our guest.

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Speaker 1: When you look at this season and you know, we

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Speaker 2: because it really is, is it not?

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Speaker 1: That's they are the They're the biggest story in college

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Speaker 2: Mendoza knows where to put it, just like Rourke did

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Speaker 2: tough nosed Aiden Fisher's college football players that love playing football,

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Speaker 2: I just feel so lucky to be able to continue

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Speaker 6: We keep all the vultures of other schools away, you

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Speaker 1: Got a lot of guys that are making plays for them, right, Chris.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to lead the witness here with a

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Speaker 1: Now do you push your chest out a little more?

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Speaker 5: Doing very well. Jake and Pop Tarts I would estimate

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Speaker 5: the side of the neck, and sometimes we get fooled

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Speaker 5: by this. Thoracic outlet syndrome. Happens in tennis, happens in swimming,

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Speaker 5: and unless you are an experienced practitioner, these things are

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Speaker 5: missed all the time.

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Speaker 1: Is there an injury Ralph that is the that has

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Speaker 1: the most uniform treatment? In other words, when you see it,

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Speaker 1: you go, yep, I'm pretty certain the timeframe is this.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure we need to do this because this

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Speaker 1: one seems that I've seen it one hundred times and

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Speaker 1: it seems to have the most consistency from one patient

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Speaker 1: to the next.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll take a lateral ankle sprain every day. I

444
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Speaker 5: mean there's three ligaments on the side of the ankle.

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Speaker 5: You get an X ray, make sure you don't have

446
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Speaker 5: a fracture, and you just the protocol.

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Speaker 1: You just go.

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Speaker 4: And what I love about.

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Speaker 5: Them treat those things twenty four hours a day. You

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Speaker 5: you can milk the fluid out of the ankle, you

451
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Speaker 5: can get their range of motion backs. They're very predictable,

452
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Speaker 5: they're very easy to diagnose, and they respond to all

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Speaker 5: the tricks of the trade. And so I'd take a

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Speaker 5: lateral ankle sprain all day, every day.

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Speaker 1: And as we know from my own medical expertise on

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Speaker 1: this show, Ralph, I've mentioned before, we all have four ankles, right,

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Speaker 1: not right, one on each side, on each foot. I

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Speaker 1: realize there's two. Okay, Anthony richards and Ralphrief is my

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Speaker 1: guest Java House Peel and poor guest line Anthony Richardson

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Speaker 1: in a freak accident. What we know is that it's

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Speaker 1: listed as an orbital fracture. Now, Ralph, I'm smart enough

462
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Speaker 1: to know this, and that is that you have the

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Speaker 1: orbital bone around your eye. Okay, But when I look

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Speaker 1: at it and feel free, you know, I can I

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Speaker 1: hate to say this way, I can look at a

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Speaker 1: skull and realize how it works. Right, But like in

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Speaker 1: my case, I have a very large bone on my

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Speaker 1: forehead above my eye. I then have obviously the bone

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Speaker 1: that goes just below it. Does orbital mean any area

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Speaker 1: of that or is it specific to meaning top and

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Speaker 1: or bottom?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Think of it this way, that it's a circle and

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Speaker 5: the orbital bone is that complete circle.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So it can be anywhere on there.

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Speaker 5: Yes, it can be anywhere on there. And then within

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Speaker 5: that there is the floor of the eye socket that

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Speaker 5: there's a bone there as well. And yeah, I have

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Speaker 5: a lot of questions about this particular injury, not because

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Speaker 5: of the player and so forth, but the mechanism of injury,

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Speaker 5: you know, being a snap back from some type of

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Speaker 5: stretching cord. And I don't know if it had a

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Speaker 5: handle on it, if it didn't have a handle, if

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Speaker 5: it snapped, or if it slipped out of his hands

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Speaker 5: or off of his foot, or you know, there's there's

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Speaker 5: a lot of questions there. And then where did it

487
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 5: hit Did it hit directly to the bone and create

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Speaker 5: a true fracture, and and uh, there's the the ophthalmic

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Speaker 5: blood flow ophthalmic artery that you know when somebody gets

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Speaker 5: a boxer gets punched in the eye and they come

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Speaker 5: out and they're just cruely swollen big time. That's uh,

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Speaker 5: you know, the blood flow around it. Uh. The orbital

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Speaker 5: artery or the ophthalmic artery is usually sheared off and

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Speaker 5: it just creates a lot of bleeding inside and there's

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Speaker 5: not a lot of space for it to go. And

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Speaker 5: so that's one of the issues with a with an

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Speaker 5: ophthalmic injury is there's just not a lot of space

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Speaker 5: for fluid to to sort of release it. Stuff like

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Speaker 5: a lateral ankle sprain. Fluid can go down to the toes,

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Speaker 5: it can go all the way up into the calf,

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Speaker 5: but they're in the eye. It's it's sort of stuck

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Speaker 5: within that cavity, and so a minor injury can become

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Speaker 5: major symptoms of blurring of.

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Speaker 2: Vision due to the fluid. There's just a.

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Speaker 5: Lot of different scenarios with this. But for them to

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Speaker 5: put him on a four week IR doesn't surprise me

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Speaker 5: just from a standpoint of management of that fracture. Time

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Speaker 5: to get the swelling down, but it shouldn't affect anything else.

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00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 5: He should be able to go to meetings, should be

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Speaker 5: able to drive.

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Speaker 2: All of those kinds of life.

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Speaker 5: Things just can't can't take a hit, and you need

513
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Speaker 5: to stay somewhat upright. You don't want to lay flat

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Speaker 5: all day long and allow the fluid to sit there.

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Speaker 5: So movement is actually good for it.

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Speaker 1: So based on the precedent of other situations, there would

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Speaker 1: be no reason to believe that this would impair beyond

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Speaker 1: the time pero of repair, that it would impact his vision. Correct,

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Speaker 1: that would.

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Speaker 5: Be my belief, absolutely right, there should be no impairment

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Speaker 5: to vision long term.

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Speaker 1: Okay it is, you know, Ralph fitz. All of it's

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Speaker 1: fascinating because and I would imagine, and you tell me

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Speaker 1: if I'm wrong here, but even in your vast experience

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Speaker 1: as a trainer, I mean everything from organizing you know,

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Speaker 1: the training for the Olympic Games to you know, all

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Speaker 1: of the different things that you've done in the different

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Speaker 1: universities you've worked with in NC DOUBLEA and everything else,

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Speaker 1: my guess would be, and you tell me if I'm

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Speaker 1: wrong that even to this day, there are things that

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Speaker 1: pop up where you say to yourself that actually is

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Speaker 1: a new wrinkle that I had never seen before.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, we're we're challenged with that all the time, and

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00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 5: that it might be. Let's take the high ankle sprain.

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Speaker 5: We think it's a high ankle sprain. All of a sudden,

536
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Speaker 5: they have bleeding in their lower leg in that front

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00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 5: compartment where you get shin splints, and that becomes an

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Speaker 5: emergency situation because blood collects in that anterior compartment. And

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Speaker 5: I'm sure there's listeners out there who know someone who's

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Speaker 5: had anterior compartment surgery to relieve that fluid pressure in there.

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Speaker 5: So and ts, you know, thrast out that syndrome. Ten

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Speaker 5: years ago, we didn't know what that was. And and

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Speaker 5: you know, the medical community become become a little smarter

544
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 5: all the time, and we figure things out. And so yeah,

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00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 5: there's there are new wrinkles constantly, and you're sort of

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Speaker 5: like pregame warm up, right cold, let's go, nothing wrong

547
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 5: can happen here. And when I was working Butler Athletics football,

548
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Speaker 5: we were out at Drake for a football game and

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Speaker 5: I actually got injured during pregame warm up where an

550
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 5: athlete ran backwards and ran right into my and jam

551
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 5: my thumb against my hip and I tore a ligament

552
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 5: in my thumb. So crazy things happen and that's an

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00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 5: active space before a football game, and it's fortunate more

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00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 5: things don't happen, and.

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Speaker 1: Of course, you know sometimes they can happen when you

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Speaker 1: least expected. David Bell, the former Warren Central produced star,

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00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: yesterday announcing his retirement, saying that he had an injury

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00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: that blindsided him that you know, he could not run

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00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: further risk of it. So it is an ongoing thing

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00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: with all athletes. Ralph appreciate the time as always. I'll

561
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: let you get back to your pop tarts, all right.

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Speaker 5: Okay, you take care of Jake.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, appreciate it. Ralphrief joining us again

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Speaker 1: on the Java House, Peel and Poor Guest. I'm joining

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Speaker 1: us now and I'm sure thrilled to be doing so.

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Speaker 1: Based on that introduction on the Peel the Java House,

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Speaker 1: Peel and por Guest line. He is with the Indianapolis

568
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: Star Colts beat Ryder. You hear him a lot in

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Speaker 1: this radio station. Joel a ericson joining us. Joel, let's

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Speaker 1: get to the meat and the matter first, and that

571
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Speaker 1: is we played it earlier. Shane Steichen talking about from

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Speaker 1: a health standpoint, does it look like other than Kenny Moore, really,

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Speaker 1: anybody might be making the trip back against the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: But let's begin with that. Kenny Moore, do you expect

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Speaker 1: him to be available on Sunday?

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Speaker 4: You know, he was doing a little bit more than

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00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 4: I was expecting today at practice, so maybe that's a

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00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 4: good sign in terms of him. In terms of him

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Speaker 4: being out there, we only see the individual period that

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Speaker 4: they did a little bit of team stuff at the end,

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Speaker 4: and I felt like he was doing some stuff. So

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Speaker 4: maybe maybe that's a good sign for Kenny Moore getting back.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to know this, who do you think right now?

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Speaker 1: Like Jalen Jones for example? You know, he's a guy

585
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: that we almost forget about. I hate to say that

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Speaker 1: because he's a good player, but you know it's been

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00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: so long, right, do we have a timetable on Jalen Jones?

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Speaker 1: And then I'll begin with that. I got to follow

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Speaker 1: up timetable on Jalen Jones? What do you think?

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00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I asked that and didn't really get much, which is

592
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 4: generally not a good sign, uh in terms of in

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Speaker 4: terms of getting him back. I keep thinking that he's healthy.

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Speaker 4: Jaylan Jones is the key for this secondary which totally

595
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 4: hurt so much, but but it just doesn't seem like

596
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 4: he must have really got that hamstring pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the better question is this healthier or in

598
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Speaker 1: more pristine shape shape Jalen Jones hamstring right now or

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00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: Joela ericson last night in the fifth inning of the

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Speaker 1: Brewers Dodgers game.

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Speaker 2: Jalen Jones.

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Speaker 4: Jalen Jones, I was like his his was the hamstring

603
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Speaker 4: and me was like the existential realities of baseball. That's

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Speaker 4: where I was. I was in. I was in like

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Speaker 4: the I was. I was way too deep.

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Speaker 1: You know. So your Brewer's fandom is what on a

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Speaker 1: one to ten scale.

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Speaker 4: I think most people would say a ten. Yeah, Like

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Speaker 4: I know, I know the guys that they call up

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Speaker 4: for three days and I watch That's That's pretty much

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Speaker 4: what I watched during the summer on TV. If if

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Speaker 4: you let me, if my family doesn't have anything else

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Speaker 4: to do, as like six planes go overhead here at

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Speaker 4: the Colts facility, that's that's what I'm watching. I probably

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Speaker 4: watch parts of like one hundred games a year if

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Speaker 4: we're being honest.

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Speaker 1: But by the way, just say, you know, Joel, you

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Speaker 1: ready for me to introduce you to something that your

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Speaker 1: life will never again be the same. There's there's an app. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I've got an app on my phone called plane Finder.

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Speaker 1: Are you familiar with plane Finder?

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Speaker 4: I think so.

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Speaker 1: Now it's not as it's not as relevant over there

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Speaker 1: off of Eagle Creek Airport because those are just little

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Speaker 1: like crop dust or private planes, those kind of planes.

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Speaker 1: But you know, maybe I'm the only person and I'm

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Speaker 1: going to change the lives of at least one person,

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Speaker 1: the life of at least one person listening right now, Joel,

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Speaker 1: And there's only four listening, so I've got a twenty

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Speaker 1: five percent chanceer So the plane Finder app. Let me

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Speaker 1: ask you this, Joel Erickson. Have you ever looked up

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Speaker 1: in the sky and just see like one like a

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Speaker 1: tracer of a plane, like way up there, and you're

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00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: just like, I wonder, like where's that plane going? Has

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00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: that ever happened to you?

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00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 5: Oh?

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00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah. So plane Finder is an app that literally

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00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 1: you look up and you're like, oh gosh, look right there,

639
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: and then I play every time, like I see one

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Speaker 1: of those planes up there and I'm like, I wonder

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Speaker 1: where that's going. And then I look it up and

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00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh wow, that plane's going from Oakland to

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Speaker 1: Baltimore and it just happens to be flying over Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: right now. And then I envision like there's some you know,

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00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: somebody up there climbing over somebody to go to the restroom,

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00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 1: and you know, they're handing out cokes and whatever else,

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Speaker 1: and it fascinates me. Now, does this make me weird?

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00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 4: No, because like you're telling me this and another one

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Speaker 4: of these cop duster just goes over. How many of

650
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 4: these do they send off?

651
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of crops right.

652
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 4: Uh, it's like the fourth one in like last thirty seconds.

653
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: They know you're on the radio, right.

654
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 4: The thing about this is if you shouldn't have told me

655
00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 4: about this, because my house in Fishers feels like it's

656
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 4: part of one of the I don't know, approach lanes

657
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 4: or whatever is the Indianapolis Airport has.

658
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 1: The fed X plan take all the time at night

659
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: at night like every because I know this because Shannon's

660
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 1: would be right directly in the past. I know where

661
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: you live. The beer ferry once told me where you live, right,

662
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: and so I have a general idea of the vicinity

663
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: and it's the FedEx planes at night. I'm telling you,

664
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Speaker 1: it's just one after another after another. Right, yeah, uh.

665
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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, no, they're going They're going all night.

666
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: Hey, is this match up with the Chargers the best

667
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: thing to happen for the Colts to try to reawaken

668
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: consistency with their pass rush just because of an odd

669
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Speaker 1: susceptibility on the offensive line of Los Angeles.

670
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Speaker 4: It depends, I think, on whether or not Joe Alt

671
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Speaker 4: is back. I have not seen a Chargers practice report

672
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 4: today yet, but there was some talk that maybe he

673
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 4: could be back from his high ankle spring. He's very good,

674
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Speaker 4: and I think that if Joe Alt is back that

675
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 4: maybe it's not if it's both of those guys out,

676
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 4: if it's all and then they're swing tackle. His name

677
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 4: is Trey Pipkins, was also out last week. If both

678
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 4: of those guys are out, I think it is. But

679
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 4: if they're back, even if they're compromised, I think that's

680
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 4: that's probably better for them.

681
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Speaker 1: Trey Pipkins sounds like a fictional character and a Beverly

682
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: Cleary kid book, doesn't it. A Yes, absolutely little freckly kid,

683
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: red hair, but you know what I mean, ye red

684
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: addresses like Waldo.

685
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, Trey Pipkins and his sister's name is Lindsay Pipkins.

686
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. Joel A. Erickson is our guest. He

687
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 1: is on the Java House, Peel and poor guest line Joel.

688
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: The The quarterback situation is one that I'm curious of

689
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: this point. Obviously, if Daniel Jones we now know, I mean,

690
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: if Daniel Jones is the guy and so long as

691
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: he's healthy, he's going to be the guy. We know that.

692
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: But if something were to happen and Riley Leonard gets in,

693
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: do you believe now that Riley Leonard, because they're during

694
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: the time that Anthony Richardson is on injured reserve. Does

695
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 1: Riley Leonard once Brett Rippen gets up to speed, would

696
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: he go back to being the backup and Leonard goes

697
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: back to being the emergency number three? Or is Riley

698
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: Leonard potentially within grasp of being able as people have

699
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: wanted to see what he can do.

700
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 4: I I don't know where the Colts stand on this,

701
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 4: but I kind of think that the right thing to

702
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 4: do in this situation might be to just go with

703
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 4: Riley Leonard as the backup. Brett Rippon is a guy

704
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 4: who's he's obviously he's he's been around the league a lot,

705
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 4: but he hasn't really started a game in a couple

706
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 4: of years now. The last time he started was a

707
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 4: one off with the Rams. I think the Rams had

708
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 4: to go out and get somebody after after that one

709
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 4: He's he was available for a reason. That's that was

710
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 4: the biggest thing with this Richardson injury was just your

711
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 4: options were not very good. Taylor Heinekey is out there somewhere.

712
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 4: I don't know if Taylor Heidekey is looking for like

713
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 4: a big like season ending injury to jump in somewhere

714
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 4: or whatever. But outside of Heineke, most of the names

715
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 4: were kind of guys like this who are kind of

716
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 4: been you know, number three's in the NFL, And I

717
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 4: think if you're looking at it as this guy's a

718
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 4: number three in the NFL, I think you just go

719
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 4: with Leonards.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And in addition that Leonard's a guy that you're

721
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: gonna have for a while, right as opposed to you

722
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like he's not a rental, So

723
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: you might as well see what you have there and

724
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: then see if you grow from it. I mean that

725
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: would that would make sense right? Otherwise why is he

726
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: on the roster?

727
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 5: Yeah?

728
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Like they they brought him in developmental like he's

729
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 4: he's a developmental guy that they hope turned it into

730
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 4: a backup. Well, you might as well jump start it

731
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Speaker 4: because you don't have a backup who you clearly think

732
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Speaker 4: is ahead of him. At least I don't think so

733
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 4: at this point. Now the Colts might see it differently.

734
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Speaker 4: They might feel like you need the experience, depending on

735
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 4: the matchup or whatever. I think everyone in you know

736
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 4: over here is probably just hoping that Daniel Jones doesn't

737
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 4: get hurt. But you know, I think that if it

738
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Speaker 4: was me, just thinking about where they're at, I might

739
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 4: just stick with Riley Leonard.

740
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Speaker 1: Speaking of progress, how would you assess leat.

741
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 4: I he's he's he's not doing he's struggling, He's not

742
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 4: doing enough. I felt. I feel like we saw the

743
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 4: Rams game. He looked great in the Rams game. That's

744
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 4: really been the only game this year where we've I've

745
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 4: felt him as a as a difference making presence that

746
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 4: he has to be off the edge. You know, they

747
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 4: they had some some quarterback hits last week, but I

748
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 4: feel like most of those were because Jacobe Brissett holds

749
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 4: the ball, because he's unafraid of getting hit, he just

750
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 4: takes it and yeah, they they needed lot too, and

751
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 4: they still need a lot to for this defense to

752
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 4: really have a shot with the corners, the cornerback situation,

753
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 4: the way it is like, he really has to be

754
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 4: a big time player off the edge. It just hasn't

755
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:50,439
Speaker 4: been consistent enough. I think it's it's it's imperative though,

756
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 4: because DeForest Butner is basically facing a guard in a

757
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 4: center or a guarden a tackle every time he rushes.

758
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 4: So at some point somebody else needs to become a

759
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 4: difference maker lots of it seems like the best one.

760
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,439
Speaker 4: He just hasn't really been that so far.

761
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: It is partially because of Joeli Erickson as our guest

762
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,959
Speaker 1: from the Indianapolis Star. He's on the Java House Peel

763
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: and poor guest line. It is partially because of the

764
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: health of players in front of him, and perhaps partially

765
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: still a hangover from the mistakes that he has made.

766
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: But Joel, what is it going to take to get

767
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: Adie Mitchell back on the field regularly?

768
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's interesting. It's interesting to me to see

769
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 4: that they made him, you know, inactive, and I think

770
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 4: if it's some of the stuff, it's hard for us

771
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 4: to see. It's the behind the scenes stuff. It's probably

772
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 4: a lot of practice stuff that we don't get to

773
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 4: see because you know, we go to practice, so we

774
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 4: only go to the first twenty minutes before they do

775
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 4: any of the real stuff. So I think I think

776
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 4: that's a big part of it. It's going to be

777
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 4: some of that stuff that we don't necessarily get to

778
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 4: see or have like a pandle on, but it is.

779
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 4: It's very interesting that they made him inactive last week

780
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 4: after benching in the previous week.

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Speaker 1: Okay, just importantly, are you resigned to the fact that

782
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: the Brewers at this point, are you just hoping nonsweep

783
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: or are you like, no, listen, they they had a

784
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: great year, best record in baseball. I think for the

785
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: vast majority of it. They can now turn it on.

786
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: They you know they if I'm not mistaken, this year,

787
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: the Brewers had six different fifteen game win streaks, right, So, like,

788
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: what the hell's what's with four? Right?

789
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 4: It it? I am somebody who knows, I'm a big

790
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 4: baseball fan. I am somebody who knows all of the

791
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 4: precedents and teams that go down two oh when they

792
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 4: were playing at home are like twenty four of twenty

793
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 4: seven or something like that in Major League history and

794
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 4: in terms of not being able to come back. So

795
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 4: I am just in the spot where I'm like, well,

796
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 4: they need a miracle. That's that's where we're at. We

797
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 4: need a miraculous thing to get in the World Series.

798
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 4: I would like to see them not swing at every

799
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 4: pitch at the Dodgers' starters rows in Games three, in

800
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 4: Games four, but you know, we'll see where it goes.

801
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: Well, do you remember the song Joel? In conclusion? Do

802
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: you remember the song I'm a terrible singer. Okay, all

803
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: I need is a miracle? Do you know that song?

804
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: All I need is a miracle all I need? Do

805
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: you know who sings that song?

806
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 4: I do not.

807
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: That is I believe Mike and the Mechanics, And if

808
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, I could be totally wrong in this,

809
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: but I'm looking it up right now. Mike Rutherford of

810
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: Mike and the Mechanics, Uh, even though he is British.

811
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: I believe at some point, I don't know why I'm

812
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: thinking this, at some point I think he lived in Milwaukee.

813
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: If not, then we're going to claim that he did,

814
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 1: and therefore that's good news for the Brewers.

815
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 4: I I I hope so the the only the only

816
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 4: shred of hope I have left is that I have

817
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 4: thought that this team was done like six times this year.

818
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 4: But but this time, this time, the history is on

819
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 4: my side. I don't know if the other times it

820
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 4: was or if it was just me being semistic, but

821
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 4: this time the history is on my side. That that

822
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 4: it's it's gonna take. It's gonna take a miracle to

823
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 4: get into the World Series.

824
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: You know, if they don't make the World Series, then

825
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: what you can do is download the Planefinder app and

826
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: sit out in the backyard and mesmerize yourself.

827
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: Laugh. That's not a bad idea.

828
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 4: That's not a bad idea.

829
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: You laugh. But I'm telling you, I'm gonna get a

830
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: text for you one of these days. It just says,

831
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: by the way LaGuardia to Albuquerque and for some reason,

832
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: right over my house. It's fascinating. I just chanced your life.

833
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 4: It's not a bad idea, because I was. I was

834
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 4: thinking about it the other day. I was like, you know,

835
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 4: I normally watched the World Series, but I'm really not

836
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,959
Speaker 4: gonna want to if it's the Dodgers versus somebody. Maybe

837
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 4: I'll just turn it on and go outside and just

838
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 4: kind of look at plane finder for a while.

839
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: There you go on, I'm telling you, I'm telling you

840
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: what like you and you and the character Tyler Pipkin

841
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: or whatever his name is. I can just sit around

842
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: in your little fictional book, all right, Joel, appreciate the

843
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: time as always. Man, We'll let you get back to work. Yeah,

844
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: you bet. Thank you having Joel a. Ericson joining us

845
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 1: on the program. We'll come back