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Speaker 2: The frames per Second Podcast.
Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Fan Second Podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: hout of the evening. My name is Mike. Next to me,
Speaker 1: I have Spike across the spike, I have Ken Ken,
Speaker 1: I have Rod, and we are doing a movie that
Speaker 1: Jalen made us do and it's called sentimental value, and
Speaker 1: we're doing this movie because it was nominated for an Oscar.
Speaker 1: I meant to look up what it was nominated for.
Speaker 1: Does anybody know it?
Speaker 3: Because remember we kept saying it and we were like, geez,
Speaker 3: I can look it up real quick.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, Jalen is also making me host this
Speaker 1: because wait, I thought the director was that's Hamnet. Oh
Speaker 1: that's the one I fucked up. Okay, I didn't fuck
Speaker 1: this one up. The director for this one is Joaquin Treer. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I think it's Joachem Jockam. I don't know, but yeah,
Speaker 1: sentimental value, Best Picture, Best Actress, and Thennette probably uh for.
Speaker 3: Rennette supporting Actors for stealing Scars guard and l Fanning
Speaker 3: and another supporting actress, and several Golden Globe nominations. So
Speaker 3: it got non Academy Award nominations Jesus Christ, but.
Speaker 1: It didn't win anything. That's happened. Well, since you're talking, Rod,
Speaker 1: what do you think of this movie? Oh? Yeah, what
Speaker 1: do you think of this book? You know? I hate it?
Speaker 4: Job, Well, I guess Jalen is the Cobrit because yeah,
Speaker 4: for several reasons that I don't want to get into
Speaker 4: that we had a discussion.
Speaker 1: It needs to because that ship was I was in
Speaker 1: my house in literal tears. I told every word of
Speaker 1: it was so funny. I'm trying to tell you, man.
Speaker 4: But yeah, y'all know, man, I'm not a big, a
Speaker 4: big fan of subtitles.
Speaker 1: Without a lot of action or whatever.
Speaker 4: Because you know, action can basically I don't really need
Speaker 4: subtitles for that, but like especially dialogue heavy stuff like
Speaker 4: I gotta read this ship. It took me three times
Speaker 4: to get through this movie. I fell asleep. I got
Speaker 4: so mad at you. I'm still Oh yeah, man, it
Speaker 4: took me three times to get through this movie. But
Speaker 4: I will say that it's elements of it that I
Speaker 4: do like that.
Speaker 1: I don't hate it. I don't hate it.
Speaker 4: I thought I thought it was a solid enough story,
Speaker 4: especially with the elements of you know, film direction and
Speaker 4: things like that.
Speaker 1: Y'all always know I'm interested in that.
Speaker 4: So so yeah, I didn't hate it, And I would
Speaker 4: just say I was glad that it wasn't all with
Speaker 4: no region. Yeah, it had some English elements in it,
Speaker 4: so I was like, all right, cool, all right, I
Speaker 4: could do.
Speaker 1: This, and then when we're back, you're like, God, damn it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was, like I thought every time I heard
Speaker 4: the American music, I thought it was gonna be English,
Speaker 4: but then they fucked me up.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh shit, is still no reason? Like what
Speaker 1: the hell? But nah, it was.
Speaker 4: It was alright enough balance and I liked that they
Speaker 4: played into that too in the story. Yeah, and I
Speaker 4: thought that was cool. So yeah, man, I thought I
Speaker 4: thought it was actually pretty solid once I finished it.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's pretty solid for rod Ken. What did you
Speaker 1: think of this moving?
Speaker 2: Funny thing is after we finished recording.
Speaker 3: I actually watched it that night while I was editing
Speaker 3: whatever we recorded Thursday, because it took two hours to
Speaker 3: get through all of that. So by the time I
Speaker 3: finished the movie, I was down with editing and uploading
Speaker 3: the thing. So it really helped past the time by
Speaker 3: watching it.
Speaker 1: Wait, so you watched it was editing at the same time.
Speaker 1: Oh you see my monols? Right? Yeah? I have, but
Speaker 1: see that. But see, that'd be my dilemma because I
Speaker 1: gotta read the text.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean I could glance over and yeah and
Speaker 3: read real quick and then glance back over it.
Speaker 1: I'm shaking. They gonna get you again. I've been told y'all.
Speaker 1: That was the thing that they said piss them off
Speaker 1: the most is when y'all talk about how you watch
Speaker 1: it and don't pay attention because you're over the multitasking.
Speaker 1: Did you like the movie?
Speaker 2: Fine, No, we can, we can, uh, we can take
Speaker 2: that out there.
Speaker 1: No, No, that you make a good point.
Speaker 3: But but I wasn't able to pay anyway.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, because I was waiting for something meaningful to happen.
Speaker 4: When happened because details and the dollars, so I was
Speaker 4: all in.
Speaker 3: I was like it was going somewhere because I was
Speaker 3: so confused.
Speaker 1: When I read the thing, and I'm like, okay.
Speaker 3: So the fathers, the mom's dad, the father's gonna come
Speaker 3: back and they're gonna have this friction and it's gonna
Speaker 3: be between them.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't.
Speaker 2: It took place with him over there, her over here,
Speaker 2: and and there was never.
Speaker 3: This real big sort of thing that took place because
Speaker 3: it was all through l Fanning's character, I guess. So
Speaker 3: when it was over, I was like, okay. But when
Speaker 3: I was going to sleep after I was done, I
Speaker 3: kept thinking about it, like it kept it stayed. The
Speaker 3: movie fucking stayed with this nice I couldn't get it
Speaker 3: out of my head because I'm like, there has to
Speaker 3: be more to this film than just that for it
Speaker 3: to receive all of these nominations. I know, I'm going
Speaker 3: a long way around about did I like it or not?
Speaker 3: And I don't think it was bad, but there was something.
Speaker 3: I feel like there's something there. I just don't know
Speaker 3: what it is. It felt like it was more profound.
Speaker 3: I just don't know what it is. But for the
Speaker 3: most part, when I was down, I was like.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: I was, yeah, I'm sorry, but I feel like there's something.
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't even need to ask this question.
Speaker 1: Do you don't have to? What did you think of this? Dude?
Speaker 5: You mean like a great Swedish film about filmmaking that
Speaker 5: I have to read the dialogue?
Speaker 1: Did I like it was trade? Jalen should have been
Speaker 1: on Jalen should have been on this review to talk
Speaker 1: about this ship man. You're right, I don't think it
Speaker 1: was trash. It's not okay, I.
Speaker 5: Know, but from what it was, I get what y'all
Speaker 5: have saying. I'd like that they made the house of character.
Speaker 1: That was cool. I'm not trying to I want people
Speaker 1: to know how much. I did not enjoy this. I
Speaker 1: think it's I still think it's trash. And I was
Speaker 1: like what Ken said, like all this for nothing, like
Speaker 1: what the funk happened. So it's a weirdly written story.
Speaker 5: To me, it is anyway, But I mean I like
Speaker 5: how they told it, like through film telling, like through
Speaker 5: being a director, and give them like reconciling through that,
Speaker 5: and it would have not reconciling but just kind of
Speaker 5: getting to know each other.
Speaker 3: They took a long way around to get to the point,
Speaker 3: but go ahead, Mike.
Speaker 1: I did not want to fucking watch this at all.
Speaker 1: I was definitely cursing, jailing out when I hit play,
Speaker 1: and that motherfucker said two hours and thirty something minutes.
Speaker 1: And usually that kind of thing is fine because I
Speaker 1: can watch it while I work, so I don't mind.
Speaker 1: But I couldn't do. I didn't know it was subtitled
Speaker 1: because it's stelling Scarsguard. I know he's not from here,
Speaker 1: but I've mostly known him from like andoring shit, so
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, an el Fanny. So I didn't
Speaker 1: know it was a Norwegian film, y'all. I can't front
Speaker 1: I was I was in it. I was in it.
Speaker 1: Here's the problem. I would never watch this again. I
Speaker 1: never watched this again. I do think it was a
Speaker 1: beautiful film. I think the story was beautiful. I think
Speaker 1: the dialogue was beautiful. I think the way they shot
Speaker 1: it was beautiful. But it is absolutely not something I
Speaker 1: would ever hit play on again because it's too goddamn long.
Speaker 1: Like in Rod's words, it's offensively long, and I don't
Speaker 1: think the length was justified in my personal opinion. But
Speaker 1: I still think it was a beautiful film. So Ken's
Speaker 1: looking at me like I'm out my goddamn mind. So
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and jump into this.
Speaker 3: Not necessarily because again, like I was, you know something
Speaker 3: there when I was going to sleep, I was just
Speaker 3: thinking about the movie as a whole, and I'm sure
Speaker 3: we're gonna break it down. So so I'll let you
Speaker 3: go ahead and get started.
Speaker 1: So we're out here all day. Well, I will say this,
Speaker 1: and this can stay if you want it to, and
Speaker 1: it can come out if you want. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: to me depending on where you watched it. The subtitles
Speaker 1: were fucked up, Yes, they were fucking up genders and
Speaker 1: they were leaving out certain sentences. So if you if
Speaker 1: you actually paid the nine ninety nine on Amazon, the
Speaker 1: subtitles were fine, but I was actually reading online that
Speaker 1: the subtitles on other platforms were all fucked up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I could see even if you were trying to
Speaker 1: pay attention, if you went to a certain platform, the
Speaker 1: subtitles were completely off. Do you have to use context clues?
Speaker 1: So that could be part of the reason why y'all
Speaker 1: were just like, nothing's happening, or it could just be
Speaker 1: that this shit was boring and nothing fucking happened. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: the beginning tells the story of the house and the
Speaker 1: generations of a family within it. Spike, what'd you think
Speaker 1: of that? The opening narrated part, I thought I was
Speaker 1: going crazy because it's with no subtitles on them I heard.
Speaker 5: At first, So I'm like, ixt in real time, and
Speaker 5: y'all like, is just what They're not speaking English?
Speaker 1: What's going on? They're not even going to like explain
Speaker 1: us what they said.
Speaker 5: Then I had to look it up and realize that
Speaker 5: it was in a different line.
Speaker 3: I don't want to help jailing out, yeah, because he's
Speaker 3: probably gonna have to edit most of the because you
Speaker 3: don't want to say that, like the fact.
Speaker 1: That we watched the bootleg. I kind of had to
Speaker 1: pay ninety nine for it. Oh, I couldn't watch the ship.
Speaker 1: I couldn't watch this ship. I paid for it. I
Speaker 1: take that back then.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it was fine. The house being a
Speaker 5: part of the store I thought was cool.
Speaker 1: Though, Okay, Rod, Yeah, yeah, I mean I wasn't annoyed.
Speaker 4: I wasn't annoyed, but but I did see that they
Speaker 4: were taking time on the way they were shooting it,
Speaker 4: so that that part was intriguing seeing them. I think
Speaker 4: they started off very early on showing the dynamic of
Speaker 4: the family or whatever, and I'm trying to listen to
Speaker 4: the family arguing, and so I knew that was gonna
Speaker 4: be a big part of the story.
Speaker 1: So that was intriguing. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I think we're gonna probably end up having a
Speaker 3: good discussion about the movie overall, because I think there
Speaker 3: are elements here. But just the beginning, I was like,
Speaker 3: oh shit, the fucking house on it, I.
Speaker 1: Thought, you always I'm like, oh, this is about to
Speaker 1: be good. I mean, the Gambner said it. They acted
Speaker 1: like the house was a person.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, but taking the house now for the movie,
Speaker 3: like you can see like the house and it's built
Speaker 3: and you get in there and then there's all the
Speaker 3: arguing and stuff, and then you see the cracks in
Speaker 3: the house, which were you know, of course, visually used
Speaker 3: to represent what's going on within the relationship and this
Speaker 3: family structure. So they did a good job of kind
Speaker 3: of setting that up in the beginning, using the house,
Speaker 3: you know, as as an establishing character about where they
Speaker 3: eventually went and uh, and how we're gonna start to
Speaker 3: where we end.
Speaker 1: Yes, so you did pick that up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was paying attention to the movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I thought the opening dialogue was really interesting
Speaker 1: and and same with you. I like that they focus
Speaker 1: on the crack, and they didn't specifically say why they
Speaker 1: were focusing on the crack, But once you get to
Speaker 1: the end of the movie, you realize why they were
Speaker 1: putting so much emphasis on the the structural issue, because
Speaker 1: it wasn't just the crack. It starts on the outside.
Speaker 1: It shows there's an issue with the foundation of the house,
Speaker 1: and then it goes in. You see the crack goes
Speaker 1: all the way up the wall. And I like how
Speaker 1: it did that, and it kind of I can't remember
Speaker 1: exactly what it said, but it kind of gives the
Speaker 1: implication that the house is a character in the story,
Speaker 1: so I like that. But yeah, then it jumps forward
Speaker 1: do we meet adult Nora who's acting in a play.
Speaker 1: What did y'all think of this scene and her panic attack?
Speaker 1: This is good too.
Speaker 4: It reminded me of Black Swan, how she was having
Speaker 4: that attack, like it was almost like an attack that
Speaker 4: she would I guess it was an attack that she
Speaker 4: was having a Black.
Speaker 1: Swan, but it reminded me of that. And then when
Speaker 1: she finally performed, I was like, whoa damn. That was good.
Speaker 4: And I like how they didn't show the whole performance,
Speaker 4: but you still knew that shit, and they did that
Speaker 4: throughout the film too, so I thought that.
Speaker 1: I thought that was cool.
Speaker 3: Yep, the pan attacks and hopefully by the time we
Speaker 3: get to the end of it was one of the
Speaker 3: things that I went back to when I got to
Speaker 3: the end of the movie and there was something else
Speaker 3: that happened that show why that was important because there
Speaker 3: were things that we didn't know until we got towards
Speaker 3: the end, but you know, it was establishing that something
Speaker 3: was wrong with her. She was messed up, but she
Speaker 3: was highly skilled in what she was able to do,
Speaker 3: and they after talk her down, talk off the ledge,
Speaker 3: get her out there, and when she got out there,
Speaker 3: she killed it, and uh and she was all she was.
Speaker 2: She was good again, you know from what we've.
Speaker 3: Seen, you know, throughout the rest of the movie.
Speaker 2: But later on it was something about the painting.
Speaker 3: If we'll get there, and I can remember what it
Speaker 3: was that I thought was really that it was a
Speaker 3: really really important piece to the movie.
Speaker 5: M I thought it was just well, I thought she
Speaker 5: was gonna mess so the same. But then once she
Speaker 5: went out there and killed it, like what you said, Roder,
Speaker 5: I figured it was part of her process, like how
Speaker 5: some actors have these routines that they do before they
Speaker 5: go do it.
Speaker 1: So I attributed to a process versus what it eventually,
Speaker 1: I didn't think about that. Yeah, I didn't think about
Speaker 1: that either, especially once we get to the end and
Speaker 1: we see what kind of person she is, which we
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Speaker 1: slash frames per second. Yeah, I thought this scene was great.
Speaker 1: It was great acting. It was a bit long, but
Speaker 1: panic attacks can last that long, so I think they
Speaker 1: just wanted to sit with it, So I liked it.
Speaker 1: But after that it jumps again to what is the
Speaker 1: funeral of Agnes and Nora's mother Agnes sorry is Nora's sister. Unexpectedly,
Speaker 1: they're a strange father. Gustav played by Stelling Scar's garb
Speaker 1: my home boyfriend andor shows up. Rob. What were you
Speaker 1: picking up about their relationship that it was a bit strange,
Speaker 1: a strange relationship.
Speaker 4: But I kind of got that from the beginning, like
Speaker 4: I was saying, because you can hear them arguing and
Speaker 4: things like that, so you knew something happened between the parents.
Speaker 4: And then just like from how she was just like, yo,
Speaker 4: he's here, why is he here? So I knew it
Speaker 4: was in a strange relationship. When he showed up, I
Speaker 4: just didn't know how that was going to play into
Speaker 4: the story.
Speaker 1: I didn't know, you know. So I like how that
Speaker 1: played into the story personally clearly.
Speaker 2: It's almost like they haven't seen each other in a while.
Speaker 3: He saw her, he kind of wanted to go, uh consoler,
Speaker 3: but he opted out and uh went off and she
Speaker 3: was walking around taking this little boy to a tour
Speaker 3: of the house, and she was telling the story of
Speaker 3: how they used the fireplace as a way to kind
Speaker 3: of hear things that were that were going on. She
Speaker 3: was giving her a version of of the story of
Speaker 3: their past.
Speaker 2: She almost made it sound like it was a good thing.
Speaker 3: And then she started to listen and then the things
Speaker 3: he was saying almost was a reminders slash trigger to
Speaker 3: what life was like when they lived.
Speaker 2: In the house, and that she was like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we got to go.
Speaker 1: And that's where she went down and basically cuss.
Speaker 3: The South like oh, I ain't know who's gonna be here,
Speaker 3: et cetera. And then they kind of went and had
Speaker 3: this sort of weird sort of you know, reconnection.
Speaker 1: Yeah I forgot about that part. Yeah, she it was.
Speaker 4: It was almost like she was startled because she was like, wait,
Speaker 4: she remember hearing that voice. So it was almost like
Speaker 4: you imagine like not knowing that motherfucker's there, then you
Speaker 4: open it up and you hear them, Yeah that's that's yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm meant to bring that up again.
Speaker 3: We go to the hot house part of it, like
Speaker 3: you didn't know here and then you hear it.
Speaker 1: Was like, oh shit, is that in her head?
Speaker 5: Y'all liked that you could tell that they were a strange,
Speaker 5: like she didn't mess with her dad. I wonder what
Speaker 5: the kid would play into it, So I was wondering, like,
Speaker 5: would that be the same way since he wasn't around
Speaker 5: with the kid feel the same way? Had they been
Speaker 5: talking bad about it or did he have a uniquely
Speaker 5: different relationship with which we said he did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just picked up the Nora was really
Speaker 1: hurt by the estrangement, but Agnes was a bit more forgiving.
Speaker 1: So that was the part that I was more interested in.
Speaker 1: And I was wondering where that was going to go
Speaker 1: because it seemed like they didn't all the ways see
Speaker 1: eye to eye on how they should be treating him.
Speaker 1: So I thought that was going to be an interesting dynamic.
Speaker 1: But the next day, Gustav has brunch with Nora. He
Speaker 1: tells her he has something he wants to ask her
Speaker 1: and it's really important. So they meet up the next
Speaker 1: day where he offers her a role in a film
Speaker 1: that he's producing. Spike, what did you think about how
Speaker 1: that brunch went?
Speaker 5: As expected as far as how they treated him when
Speaker 5: he first got there. I didn't think that she would
Speaker 5: do it at all. I thought they would stick with
Speaker 5: that throughout the plot. I was surprised that she came around.
Speaker 3: Came around at the end. Okay, well, I mean after
Speaker 3: the loan. Yeah. Her reaction was it's almost like she
Speaker 3: was aware at the time of what she thought he
Speaker 3: was really asking.
Speaker 2: Was you want to use me because I'm really good
Speaker 2: to revive your career.
Speaker 1: That's how she looked at it.
Speaker 3: And he hasn't made a movie in a while, and
Speaker 3: I guess he has had a hidden while or whatever,
Speaker 3: but it's been a minute, and she was like, you
Speaker 3: don't really want to re establish a relationship with me.
Speaker 3: You want to use me for your own personal benefits,
Speaker 3: you know, And that's not a true daughter, you know,
Speaker 3: father relationship.
Speaker 1: So she got incredibly offended.
Speaker 3: And probably felt some kind of way seeing how gentle
Speaker 3: and kind he was with you know, the lady that
Speaker 3: came up that was serving them, you know, and she
Speaker 3: probably didn't see or have a lot of that when
Speaker 3: she was growing up. So to see that this version
Speaker 3: of this man that you dine grow up with, you know,
Speaker 3: probably also cause her that the way that she did. Yeah,
Speaker 3: she definitely resented him. What was the actual question though.
Speaker 1: Just where do you think how the brunch went? Oh? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he pretty much cover Yeah. I thought this
Speaker 1: was interesting because he was kind of being a prick.
Speaker 1: He was being a bit of a condescending prick. Okay,
Speaker 1: you didn't, you didn't, I didn't get that house. Oh man.
Speaker 1: So he was basically trying to position it like she's
Speaker 1: better than doing this series that she's doing, and that
Speaker 1: she needs to come do his film. But he also
Speaker 1: said that he thinks what she does is amazing. She yeah,
Speaker 1: he thinks her acting ability is what is some bullshit?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, he said he thinks the script is shit,
Speaker 1: but you kill it right. But if you remember, she
Speaker 1: also says, I didn't even know you'd watch anything in
Speaker 1: mind because the last time you came you left her
Speaker 1: in intermission, and he was just like, oh, yeah, you
Speaker 1: were great, but that shit you were doing is whack. Basically,
Speaker 1: if somebody came to you and was like, oh, your
Speaker 1: camera work on Dead and hip Hop is great, but
Speaker 1: den hip hop as a show is whack, you're gonna
Speaker 1: be offended because that's some bullshit. It's like a backhanded compliment.
Speaker 1: That's why she hit him back with, well, now let's
Speaker 1: be real about this. You want me to resurrect your
Speaker 1: career because you don't got no fucking money, you don't
Speaker 1: have no funding. So I thought that whole dynamic was
Speaker 1: And it also comes out that he's been getting drunk
Speaker 1: and calling her and he's like, because I'm worried about you,
Speaker 1: and then she's like, I forbid you to be worried
Speaker 1: about me. I thought this whole scene was fucking dope.
Speaker 4: No, the same was dope. I just didn't take him
Speaker 4: as being a jerk though. I thought I thought he
Speaker 4: was just being honest. Well, yeah, I thought he was lying.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I did, so, you think, because I thought
Speaker 3: when she started to question him, he just was like,
Speaker 3: oh no, no, no, no, yeah, you're good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the movie, No, I don't think he would
Speaker 1: have came to her if he thought she wasn't good.
Speaker 1: I think he was being truthful. He came and saw it,
Speaker 1: but he left during intermission. That's fucked up. Well you
Speaker 1: say he had his reasons. Yeah, his reasons were he
Speaker 1: didn't like the material. But she's like, this is doing
Speaker 1: well for me. So I'm doing well and you're shitting
Speaker 1: on what I'm doing because you think what you're doing
Speaker 1: is better. But you ain't done ship in a minute.
Speaker 1: But he was still there though he still show up.
Speaker 1: He left during intermission. But I'd have been like, I
Speaker 1: bet you not come at all. Then you show up
Speaker 1: and leave during intermission. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: this is my father and this is me in a play,
Speaker 1: and you left during intermission. You a bitch.
Speaker 2: Bro You a bit better than not show up at
Speaker 2: all than to show up partially.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'd rather you just not come at all than
Speaker 1: leave during intermission, unless unless you have like oh if
Speaker 1: you had like a fucking heart attack or some ship okay,
Speaker 1: or if you really had something serious to do. But
Speaker 1: if you're just like, hey, I didn't like the material,
Speaker 1: so I left. Fuck you, BROA was like I had
Speaker 1: to go. Why why did you have to go? You
Speaker 1: better tell me no, fuck that, then fuck you don't
Speaker 1: come to my ship, no more. Don't come to my
Speaker 1: ship no more. Not. I'm pretty sure he just implied
Speaker 1: that he didn't really fuck with the material. I thought
Speaker 1: it was something else. And that's why I think that's
Speaker 1: why she got mad, because she's like, you're you're downplaying
Speaker 1: what I'm doing, but you ain't doing shit, right Yeah?
Speaker 1: So anyway, so and if you remember, just cut in,
Speaker 1: Gustav attends a film festival. One of his older films
Speaker 1: is being shown, and there he meets up with the
Speaker 1: actor Rachel Kemp, who's played by el Fanning. Her film
Speaker 1: is also being screened there, and after a bit of
Speaker 1: bonding on the beach, he tells her all about his movie.
Speaker 1: And then fast forward and we see Agnes and nor
Speaker 1: are discussing which of their mother's belongings to get rid
Speaker 1: of from the house, but Gustav shows up with Rachel
Speaker 1: to show her the home. Spike, what do you think
Speaker 1: of this scene? Ted?
Speaker 5: It was gonna be beef even though she turned it down.
Speaker 5: I knew she would have a problem and she hadn't
Speaker 5: read the script anything like that. Either she had not
Speaker 5: read the script, neither one of them mad, So I knew.
Speaker 1: It would be beef. Since beef. Where did y'all since
Speaker 1: beef with the other? I just she left with beef
Speaker 1: with and it's a beef with Nora. Nora. Nora left
Speaker 1: no bound bound. She didn't give it, like she didn't
Speaker 1: want to be around there, like whatever, I don't give
Speaker 1: a ship. Yeah, yeah, I didn't. I didn't since beef.
Speaker 3: It was some tension or it was definitely a little
Speaker 3: bit on comfort.
Speaker 4: I guess I was paying more attention to the walk
Speaker 4: the actual walk through, because he was like he wanted
Speaker 4: to do a Warner, which everybody is infatuated with winners
Speaker 4: right now one shots.
Speaker 1: But because every time it happens, y'all act like it's
Speaker 1: the greatest thing ever made. It is cool, but it
Speaker 1: just seemed like it's like overkilled Adolescens was Dodoo and
Speaker 1: y'll man, the whole thing was a Warner. It was
Speaker 1: a Warner. A Warner. It's like I drop a turd.
Speaker 4: It's a wonder was great and it has really good,
Speaker 4: really good performance.
Speaker 1: It was a tour you wouldn't get.
Speaker 4: But I was more interested in, like how he was
Speaker 4: just trying to describe. Well, I was interested that they
Speaker 4: were talking English, so I was happy about that.
Speaker 1: Yes, I thought it was gonna change, Okay, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was just like because.
Speaker 4: Even before we got there, I know, you just kind
Speaker 4: of wanted all that together. Before we got there was
Speaker 4: a lot of English, a lot of stuff because they
Speaker 4: were in the States, I guess, or something like that.
Speaker 1: At first, was it a say so, I don't think
Speaker 1: it was in the States. I think it was just well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, actually, I don't know if that where
Speaker 1: the film festival was. Yeah, I don't know either.
Speaker 2: I thought he was just around English speaking people switched over.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't know. Yeah, so all of that
Speaker 4: was great. I was like, man, it was so man.
Speaker 4: When I tell y'all, it was so refreshing.
Speaker 1: It was so refreshing to follow in English.
Speaker 4: I was like, I know that sounds bad, and I'm
Speaker 4: sorry that it sounds bad, but it's just man, I know,
Speaker 4: and that's what it sounds like.
Speaker 1: Mad.
Speaker 4: I was just I'm English speaking, that's what you know.
Speaker 4: That's just a struggle for me. But anyway, so that
Speaker 4: part was was that and then I liked the element
Speaker 4: of him walking her through the scene or whatnot, and
Speaker 4: she and her kind of getting getting to character during
Speaker 4: that walk you kind of see her just trying to
Speaker 4: fill it out, become the character a little bit bit,
Speaker 4: a little bit before even you know, acted it out.
Speaker 4: So seeing the process of an actor and how they
Speaker 4: how they do things, I thought that was really cool.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 3: He was an asshole, and I liked seeing that because
Speaker 3: we saw it on the beach and we saw it
Speaker 3: again here when he walked in and they tried to
Speaker 3: walk in and he told him to go to.
Speaker 1: An offfee shop.
Speaker 3: He said, well, let's know, we're done, like yo, Like
Speaker 3: this dude is a jerk. But what I also thought
Speaker 3: was interesting was when he introduced Rachel Kimp to the
Speaker 3: daughter and before then they showed I guess that was
Speaker 3: a flashback to one of his earlier films that at played.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes and right who No, It was Agnes and
Speaker 1: that was at the film festival, so it wasn't really
Speaker 1: a flashback. They were watching the film because this film
Speaker 1: was playing at the film festival. In the In the film,
Speaker 1: Agnes was playing the young girl, the one that was
Speaker 1: on the train. This is a mom, the mom, the
Speaker 1: sister that's a mom. Sorry, she got the chat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a thicker one. Yeah, this that mom, not
Speaker 1: them mom. That's yeah, I know. But yeah, Agnes is
Speaker 1: the one that has like a kid. Yes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the other thing I wanted to point out
Speaker 4: to Like they did the same thing with that too,
Speaker 4: where it's just part of it.
Speaker 1: They did a lot.
Speaker 4: They did that a lot in this film where they
Speaker 4: didn't show the whole thing, but you know, it was
Speaker 4: like a great performance.
Speaker 1: So I thought that was cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he because he walked up and he was like, oh,
Speaker 3: you recognize her, Yeah, you recognized him from my film?
Speaker 3: And she was super lion, super yeah, selfe.
Speaker 1: Lying motherfucker. And I was wondered watching him.
Speaker 3: I was like, is he trying to cover up this
Speaker 3: awkwardness in this moment or is he trying to give
Speaker 3: at in some sort of like some affirmation. Yeah, just
Speaker 3: like but was like, bruh, you don't recognize me child?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, but I thought that was interesting because I don't
Speaker 3: know what it what it all means, you know, why
Speaker 3: he did that to her or Rachel.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he was doing that because he's trying
Speaker 1: to reconnect with them with both of the daughters, and
Speaker 1: I think he was just trying to this is an old,
Speaker 1: old dad, and of course that's what you're gonna do.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, this is my thought regized her,
Speaker 1: don't you No, dude, I don't. I don't recognize her
Speaker 1: at all. What are you talking about? But no, I
Speaker 1: thought this whole scene was great when they're walking her
Speaker 1: through the house and then it's revealed, like my mother
Speaker 1: committed suicide in his house. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: she used that stool you're sitting. He jumped so good.
Speaker 1: She's like, what are you serious? But yeah, that that
Speaker 1: whole scene I thought was great because I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is wrong with you? Tell me that
Speaker 1: before we come in here.
Speaker 4: But then but then it was real. It was it
Speaker 4: was from IKEI. It wasn't like actual stud. I don't
Speaker 4: know if y'all saw that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said it, though I missed that. That wasn't
Speaker 1: the stud Yeah, one of them said it. He ain't
Speaker 1: got to read That's what I'm saying. I read it.
Speaker 1: I guess I must have blinked right.
Speaker 2: That's because I think he said it to actnes No.
Speaker 4: But yeah, he said he didn't say it in English though,
Speaker 4: Oh well, when did this happen?
Speaker 1: Right after?
Speaker 4: It was right after she was just like He's like,
Speaker 4: he was like, yeah, I told her. You know that
Speaker 4: was the same stood that your mother hung herself phone.
Speaker 4: She's like the stud from Kia. You know what, I
Speaker 4: I do remember that.
Speaker 1: And I thought, ship, y'all, don't think I'm stupid. I thought, like,
Speaker 1: because I Kia, I think it's a place. So I thought,
Speaker 1: because they're in Norway or something, I assumed, And I
Speaker 1: think that's what it is, is a sweetish story. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought they were talking about it was a place
Speaker 1: they went. Never mind, I'm dumb. I did not even
Speaker 1: think at all that it was from the store. Ikea, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's from the story. Wow. But that's how its spelled.
Speaker 1: It spelled like, you know, that changes the whole scene
Speaker 1: to me, the fucking asshole. But but it's still not
Speaker 1: you him, No, I get you. But I like that
Speaker 1: because it was still a very powerful moment. And then
Speaker 1: they and then they said it jokingly afterwards, I guess
Speaker 1: to lighten it up. And I guess it also shows
Speaker 1: one how manipulative he can be, and two how good
Speaker 1: he is. And like I'm going to get this actor
Speaker 1: in Tennis. Yeah, that's what he was.
Speaker 5: That's the whole PLA's what from it too that he
Speaker 5: was trying to push her, trying to push.
Speaker 1: Take that yo as was half asleep, had one op.
Speaker 6: Like CBS see me stressed, Spike, What did you think
Speaker 6: of the flashback that shows who Karen, which is Gustav's mother,
Speaker 6: actually was.
Speaker 1: In the war stories? Yeah, stuff like that. It was good.
Speaker 1: It was more interesting than a lot of it to me.
Speaker 5: I like hearing the history and then I liked their
Speaker 5: realization as to how it played off on them as
Speaker 5: the girls, So that was a nutation part of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was interesting because she was she was like
Speaker 4: an activist or something like that, right.
Speaker 1: She was protesting the w war and jailed for two
Speaker 1: years in the Nazi torture can Yeah, and see again.
Speaker 4: You had to kind of see that too, because I
Speaker 4: think it was like, yeah, you might see some disturbing
Speaker 4: images and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But that was later. Oh that is that was later.
Speaker 1: This is just the flashback that they were showing of
Speaker 1: the mom being taken away. Oh yeah, I'm mixed the
Speaker 1: two things, okay, and the and the narrators is basically
Speaker 1: telling you.
Speaker 4: What happened gotch Yeah, yeah, but no was it was
Speaker 4: a good that's what said they did.
Speaker 1: They did some little things here to tie.
Speaker 4: They were really good at doing it in this film,
Speaker 4: not having to fully explain something, but you still kind of.
Speaker 1: Just got it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, treating the audience is dumb. Yeah, yeah, you know, well.
Speaker 1: I mean I think they pretty much laid it out
Speaker 1: pretty much exactly what happened. They said that she was
Speaker 1: protesting the war. They showed the cops come and get her.
Speaker 1: Then they said she spent two years locked up in
Speaker 1: a Nazi torture camp for protesting the war.
Speaker 4: And all I'm saying they did that, but they did
Speaker 4: it very quickly and not a drawn out thing.
Speaker 1: Oh. I mean the movie is two hours ago. Yeah no,
Speaker 1: but some people are still drawing that type of shit out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: came backstory. Yeah. I like this scene because I just
Speaker 1: think the way that they filmed it was beautiful, especially
Speaker 1: when she was walking to go kill herself. You know,
Speaker 1: she says goodbye to the kids or whatever, and then
Speaker 1: she stands up out of that chair and then she's
Speaker 1: walking down that hall, and the way the cameras is
Speaker 1: following her walking down that hall and then she gets
Speaker 1: behind the door and she closes it and just goes
Speaker 1: to the next scene. But the next scene is where
Speaker 1: they're showing Gustav getting with Scil, which is I don't
Speaker 1: know if the sil or Scil having having kids, and
Speaker 1: then the fighting and him leaving. So they're basically showing
Speaker 1: how they've just had multiple generations in this same house
Speaker 1: and they aged them too. I thought that was weird.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I feel like they did it very slickly
Speaker 4: because they had him in a steel shot, so he
Speaker 4: just that. Yeah, they just it seemed like they just
Speaker 4: plastered new age face without having to do too much.
Speaker 1: Give in. Just get one of his kids because they
Speaker 1: do look like him. Yeah, get Scars Guard. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: two other stars Guard. One of them, Bill doesn't look
Speaker 1: like him. Bill's the one that's from it. He doesn't
Speaker 1: look like him. But it's the other one, the what
Speaker 1: is his name, the really good looking one, the one
Speaker 1: that was in Infinity Infinity uh War, No, not Infinity War,
Speaker 1: the one with me of goth and stuff. Oh oh
Speaker 1: that's oh Ship, that's still I know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's his son. Damn. I don't know if you look
Speaker 1: at him in the face long enough they do look
Speaker 1: see it now? Yeah, yeah, you say that. God, that's
Speaker 1: gonna bum What the name of that movie, which you
Speaker 1: wouldn't know because that's the movie about the blood roll right,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't about No, damn, I had it on
Speaker 1: my list. I want to say Infinity Stone, but it's
Speaker 1: that's sucking marble, something to do with some liquid infinity juice. No,
Speaker 1: they're talking about what she turned into the monster. Yeah,
Speaker 1: turned into a monk moster. No, not not not, It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, It doesn't matter, It don't matter. I'll look
Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, you look at because that's gonna bug me.
Speaker 1: It's gonna bugby too. But let's move on. Norm meets
Speaker 1: up with Jacob and his friends and it seems like
Speaker 1: they this is the guy that was at the beginning
Speaker 1: that Infinity Pool about some liquid liquid. That's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: liquid Infinity pool. Yeah. Norm heats up with Jacob and
Speaker 1: his friends and it seems like they've been actually creeping around.
Speaker 1: If you don't remember Jacob, Jacob was the guy at
Speaker 1: the beginning of it that had to slap her to
Speaker 1: get her to break out of her panic panic attack.
Speaker 1: But uh, she finds out that Jacob is there getting
Speaker 1: a divorce from his wife. What did you think about
Speaker 1: how she reacts and then how he dissed her? Man
Speaker 1: he could take that if he thought anything from him?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I was like, damn, she thought she
Speaker 4: was in a clear boy. She was like, we can
Speaker 4: be out there.
Speaker 1: We don't have the heart now. He was like, it
Speaker 1: was just a side talk about I'm not so sure, right, Yeah. Nah.
Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting because I didn't realize. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because was that.
Speaker 4: When it was first revealed that he was even Yes,
Speaker 4: because it made it seem like they were in a relationship.
Speaker 1: Thought.
Speaker 3: I thought it was revealed when they were when we
Speaker 3: first saw them in bed together, and she didn't realize
Speaker 3: he said something about.
Speaker 4: The wife or something like that. So yeah, they had
Speaker 4: mentioned it earlier. Yes, see again that's probably a subtitle
Speaker 4: that it was. It was, But that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: like with this type of stuff, like if I don't
Speaker 4: see it, I have to I have to have read.
Speaker 1: It in so Norwegian.
Speaker 4: Yeah I know, right, Yeah, but no, no, I thought
Speaker 4: it was not funny, But you know, I thought it
Speaker 4: was interesting that because I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just I just didn't expect her to be depicted
Speaker 1: that way and she would be cheating on them. Man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like happening affair and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: But it kind of goes to you know, her depression
Speaker 4: and whatever, I'm just not happy.
Speaker 3: Or you know, I mean, I mean also her household
Speaker 3: was was kind of broken to.
Speaker 1: Rejection from her dad, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I could see her not seeking full comfort,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe going to the opposite.
Speaker 2: I think you can probably go one way or the other.
Speaker 2: You know, for her, it was.
Speaker 3: Like, you know, not looking to get something, not being
Speaker 3: fully committed to a thing, you know, but still feeling
Speaker 3: some sort of like dejection when when she was when
Speaker 3: she was refused, because she thought that was the opening,
Speaker 3: like this is it, we can finally be together, and
Speaker 3: she didn't get it, which I feel now thinking about it.
Speaker 3: This this almost played sort of a moment in the
Speaker 3: movie as we move on with a state that I
Speaker 3: think she entered. But it was fucked up what he
Speaker 3: did to her because he was getting a divorce and
Speaker 3: it's almost like he made it seem like either he
Speaker 3: did not want her or he was looking to get
Speaker 3: back together with his wife and they were going to
Speaker 3: try to mend fences and he didn't want to end
Speaker 3: that relationship.
Speaker 2: So but it was cold blood as fuck. That shit
Speaker 2: was funny to me.
Speaker 1: I'll take you this.
Speaker 5: He just didn't want her, not in that way. You're
Speaker 5: just like, so she was just over here being that.
Speaker 5: But as far as my wife like you, no, absolutely not.
Speaker 5: He was almost offended.
Speaker 1: She was right. I viewed it as more so he
Speaker 1: hadn't gotten the divorce yet and he's with his friends
Speaker 1: and you're already trying to like throw it out there
Speaker 1: that we're fucking around. It's like, wait, chill out, calm down,
Speaker 1: take take this a little bit slower. That's how I
Speaker 1: took it at least. And it actually does make sense
Speaker 1: the way because one of y'all was saying, I think
Speaker 1: it was you Rod that was saying that you were
Speaker 1: surprised that she was depicted that way as someone that
Speaker 1: would be fucking around with a married person. But when
Speaker 1: we get to Eric's party, Eric is Agnes's kid, I
Speaker 1: think it's kind of explained. So what did y'all think
Speaker 1: about Eric's party? You don't have the refreshment memory on
Speaker 1: that one. So the first part of but the first
Speaker 1: part of the scene is them giving Eric gifts And
Speaker 1: did y'all notice the fucking movies that he gave to
Speaker 1: her to the kid? I mean, you noticed what movie? Oh?
Speaker 1: You probably yeah, you probably would have watched that. But
Speaker 1: one of the movies is called Piano Teacher, which is
Speaker 1: about it's about like a weird uh dom sub kind
Speaker 1: of situation between a woman and a guy, kind of
Speaker 1: but very graphic. Mister Hollins opus. I don't think I've
Speaker 1: seen mister Hollands opus. But Irreversible he also gave her
Speaker 1: that that's a Gustav Fuck. What is his fucking name? God?
Speaker 1: I hate getting old, y'all, we say it's not Gustav,
Speaker 1: it's he's one of my favorite directors and I cannot
Speaker 1: think of his name. He did enter the Void? Fuck?
Speaker 2: God, you talking about you mentioned that movie before?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Irreversible is an extremely graphic movie. When you
Speaker 1: say graphic, where there is uh sexual assault? Oh okay?
Speaker 1: And after the sexual assault he beats her, and I
Speaker 1: will give you a slight segue. When I saw this
Speaker 1: in the theater, the assault scene was so long that
Speaker 1: I turned away and I told my buddy, I was like,
Speaker 1: let me know when this is done. And after like
Speaker 1: two three more minutes went by. I'm like, bro, is
Speaker 1: it still not done? And he's like no, And then
Speaker 1: you start hearing the seats the people were getting up
Speaker 1: and walking out. But when you get to the end
Speaker 1: of the movie, you realize that that scene was necessary.
Speaker 1: My whole point is, why the fuck is he giving
Speaker 1: a fucking child this movie either one of these movies.
Speaker 1: So if you watch the scene, you see Nora in
Speaker 1: the back. She's kind of just like laughing, and I
Speaker 1: think she's laughing at the fact that Gustav is just
Speaker 1: so fucking detached that he thinks that this is no. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But then the party is actually going well until the
Speaker 1: end of the party. They're sitting around drinking and Nora
Speaker 1: brings up the fact that Gustav cheated on the mom.
Speaker 1: So she I think has this kind of carryover where
Speaker 1: she probably doesn't want to be in an all the
Speaker 1: way commit a relationship, but I do think she wants
Speaker 1: to be with Jacob, but then Jacob rejects her, so
Speaker 1: she's looking at her dad like, yo, you guys are
Speaker 1: like the same fucking person, Like I thought I found somebody,
Speaker 1: but he, you know, he was cheating on his wife
Speaker 1: and then he doesn't want to he doesn't even want
Speaker 1: to be with me.
Speaker 3: So yeah, is this when he kind of, uh basically
Speaker 3: told her about it about herself. He was kind of
Speaker 3: calling her out for her kind of sort of flaws
Speaker 3: as well, because he was just.
Speaker 1: Like Daddy's the victor dad. Yeah, he did say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and later on she was she was crying,
Speaker 3: but I think it was a scene in the movie.
Speaker 3: But yeah, they were kind of this. They were kind
Speaker 3: of going back and forth, and you know, she was
Speaker 3: trying to call for his ship. Yeah, this was a
Speaker 3: good thing.
Speaker 2: He was calling her out for her fuck ship and
Speaker 2: ship like that.
Speaker 3: So because she was talking about her not oh yeah,
Speaker 3: because she was talking about her not being married, having
Speaker 3: kids and saying, look at at this. And I can't
Speaker 3: remember the full conversation, but I remember.
Speaker 1: I was like this basically like me. He was like,
Speaker 1: she was me, and I don't want you to be
Speaker 1: like me. Ye, it's basically saying yeah, like geez, gosper
Speaker 1: no and who did end of the ordin' Irreversible? What'd
Speaker 1: y'all think of the scene where Agnes goes to the library,
Speaker 1: uh to research her grandmother. Oh, that's the one that's
Speaker 1: what I confused.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, I thought that was good. That's what
Speaker 4: they was saying. There might be some graphic stuff that
Speaker 4: you don't want to see. Yep, yeah, I thought it
Speaker 4: was reiterating what they talked about earlier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.
Speaker 3: Things were were not all the way clear to me,
Speaker 3: because I know they said she was a Nazi protester.
Speaker 3: But the question I have is was she the one
Speaker 3: doing the torturing.
Speaker 1: No, she was getting That's why she killed herself.
Speaker 3: But there were there it looked like there were also
Speaker 3: pictures of so those are just other photos of other Okay.
Speaker 1: They were demonstrating the types of torture that can be
Speaker 1: done in those cas.
Speaker 3: Okay, because yeah, because I was looking and I probably
Speaker 3: just missed it because I was looking for a photo
Speaker 3: of her actually being tortured. And when I was like,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, did did they kind of is this
Speaker 3: like she is there is what she thinked or thought
Speaker 3: her grandmother was different, and she killed herself because she
Speaker 3: was forced to torture these other people against the will. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 3: all right, cool, I.
Speaker 1: Mean unless I miss unless I miss read something, I
Speaker 1: took it as she was being tortured. I never thought
Speaker 1: about her being the torture er. So maybe it.
Speaker 2: Was a lot of photos of other people in that
Speaker 2: in that.
Speaker 1: But that's what he was saying. He's like, you may
Speaker 1: see some graphic things in this book, but.
Speaker 2: Why why did she even go look that up anywhere?
Speaker 1: She just wanted more insight? I thought, yeah, yeah, because
Speaker 1: she probably was trying. I think they were both trying
Speaker 1: to figure out the dad's angle. Why is he here?
Speaker 1: What's going on? So I thought it was interesting that
Speaker 1: she didn't know anything about her grandmother until she went
Speaker 1: to the library and had to like book him look
Speaker 1: her up. So I found this part interesting. But Gustav
Speaker 1: actually wants Eric, which is Agnes's son, to play in
Speaker 1: the movie. Why do y'all think that is Spike?
Speaker 5: I think that And I don't know if she mentioned this,
Speaker 5: but I think that her dad thinks that throw movies,
Speaker 5: that he's connecting or bonding with them because he had
Speaker 5: her in moving when she was young. And I think
Speaker 5: that that's the dad's way of saying, like I want
Speaker 5: to connect you, I want to know you, but it ain't.
Speaker 5: It don't come off as authentic to the keys because
Speaker 5: they just acting. Yeah, that's what I thought, did y'all.
Speaker 1: Get the same thing? Mhm were good? Yeah, Like they're
Speaker 1: having a discussion, and Agnes says to him, says to
Speaker 1: Gustav that she enjoyed filming with him because in that moment,
Speaker 1: in that time, it made her feel special, right, and
Speaker 1: she felt like she was finally important to him, and
Speaker 1: then he vanished. So when she says that, nah, you
Speaker 1: can't have Eric in your film, it's because she doesn't
Speaker 1: want him to do the same thing to Eric. This
Speaker 1: is her son, and she can already see how much
Speaker 1: her son loves granddaddy. Already Granddad's showing him reminded me
Speaker 1: of some shit like Rob would probably do. Granddad's showing
Speaker 1: him these cool camera tricks, throw the shovel and look
Speaker 1: at it's in my neck. So she can see that
Speaker 1: Eric is already like god, granddad is so cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I was gonna say, Like I do
Speaker 4: that with my kids. Well, I've done that with my kids,
Speaker 4: and my kid now get them involved in things that
Speaker 4: I'm doing, right, just you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I totally got what he was.
Speaker 4: Doing, and just one then you know, part of the
Speaker 4: whole legacy should do it to you do it here
Speaker 4: you have them come up here to do film ship,
Speaker 4: so it's like, yeah, that's that's just something you just
Speaker 4: embedded in you to do.
Speaker 1: But she probably didn't trust him. Yeah, yeah, she was.
Speaker 1: She was her feel if she remembers how it made
Speaker 1: her feel, and she's like, you're gonna you're gonna come
Speaker 1: in here, You're gonna treat him like the world, and
Speaker 1: then you're gonna Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was a
Speaker 1: really really really good scene.
Speaker 4: And it's kind of like parallel with with with like
Speaker 4: like almost like dead beats, like like when they give
Speaker 4: money and they never see him again, you just get
Speaker 4: them all hyped up and then with them, you know,
Speaker 4: so yeah, hit him.
Speaker 1: With the fresh prince the hell? Yeah, what did you
Speaker 1: think or why do you think Rachel dropped out of
Speaker 1: the film And why was Gustav ultimately so understanding about
Speaker 1: her dropping out? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Because I mean they showed that she clearly felt like
Speaker 4: the old she couldn't connect with the role. She felt
Speaker 4: like it was written for someone else, which was which
Speaker 4: would find out it's her daughter, and she just did
Speaker 4: not feel right doing it. And it just showed her
Speaker 4: integrity as an actor to understand that right not every
Speaker 4: role is for you, you know, and it's not just
Speaker 4: about the money or the check or whatever. And she
Speaker 4: respect and I think that was her respect for him
Speaker 4: as a filmmaker or whatnot. So I thought they did
Speaker 4: that very well and made that very clear. And I
Speaker 4: think she met up with Agnes too. She didn't talk
Speaker 4: about it, so yeah she was but no Nora. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm getting confused, but yeah, she met up with Nora,
Speaker 4: which I thought was really respectful. And yeah, he he
Speaker 4: he respected her for that as well. That's why he
Speaker 4: didn't give her any pushback on it, because at the
Speaker 4: end of the day, he never really wanted her anyway,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So so for him, he's like, yeah, I mean, you're
Speaker 1: not wrong.
Speaker 3: And maybe she she she realized that, you know, and
Speaker 3: she kept trying to get more information and he would
Speaker 3: not give it to her. Yeah, like I need to
Speaker 3: know more about your mom. She was like, it's not
Speaker 3: about my mom. The story is not about my mother.
Speaker 1: And we learned that. He kept saying like what do
Speaker 1: you think?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, yeah, he kept doing that a lot.
Speaker 3: That's funny because I was thinking about wonder Man, you know,
Speaker 3: all the ship that Simon and slash Yah y'all was
Speaker 3: doing and trying to figure out what these characters are.
Speaker 2: She was doing in this in this film.
Speaker 1: But you know, I.
Speaker 2: Think once he had her dye her hair, she was like, oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did he tell her to do that? Thought she
Speaker 1: did on her own she told her to. He told
Speaker 1: her to. Yeah. She was like yeah, yeah. She was like,
Speaker 1: you had me.
Speaker 2: I think she said you had me die do my
Speaker 2: hair like your daughter or.
Speaker 1: Something like that.
Speaker 5: I think he wanted her to own the role and
Speaker 5: she never would, and she was trying to get it
Speaker 5: out of him, and he wanted it to come out
Speaker 5: of her. He wanted her to identify with the role
Speaker 5: more so me having to explain it. So he was
Speaker 5: kind of relieved in my opinion, when she was like,
Speaker 5: I ain't doing.
Speaker 1: This no more. Well, but he still didn't. You know.
Speaker 2: I also wonder if he was also using her for
Speaker 2: funding too, because that was an issue.
Speaker 1: But uh, but also I think you start to see.
Speaker 3: Visually what Rachel Kemp was representing to him in the movie,
Speaker 3: especially when the hairs died, because I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: when when did it? Nora agree to do the filmsed
Speaker 3: for a minute, but it was her, and we never
Speaker 3: got an explanation until that moment. So you're starting to
Speaker 3: see as a viewers, like, oh, this is attended for Nora.
Speaker 3: Of course we knew that because she declined, but now
Speaker 3: he's trying to also physically make her be this this person.
Speaker 3: So it's so it's showing his longing for it. He's
Speaker 3: trying to get it in whatever way he could.
Speaker 1: What did I just do? Hold on, I just lost
Speaker 1: my place anyway, Yeah, I agree with y'all. I think
Speaker 1: she realizes that the role was not written for her,
Speaker 1: but she also realizes how personally important this movie is
Speaker 1: for Gustave, which is what she says to Nor when
Speaker 1: they meet up at the theater or whatever wherever they were.
Speaker 1: So I think it was just that she was trying
Speaker 1: to be respectful. She was just like, this was not
Speaker 1: written for me, This was written for your daughter. I
Speaker 1: have no business trying to play this. And I think
Speaker 1: he was really because he was like, yeah, I want
Speaker 1: my daughter to do this, you know, which is why
Speaker 1: I think he had like a mini breakdown after that
Speaker 1: and went and got fucking wasted. But because I think
Speaker 1: he realized then like this movie might not get made
Speaker 1: I just lost the main actress. And that's when.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that phone call that cost a callback to earlier.
Speaker 4: It's triple on time. Yeah, callback to earlier. When you
Speaker 4: were saying that it was eluded that she he was
Speaker 4: calling her unwanted, like she was getting unwanted calls from him.
Speaker 1: Well, he does that earlier in the film. I didn't
Speaker 1: realize it earlier. Yeah, he called her earlier when he
Speaker 1: was like drunk on the couch. I thought that. I thought, so,
Speaker 1: this is just a this scene. He just went outside
Speaker 1: and got drunk, and then then the scene like cuts
Speaker 1: to him laying on the ground. So so, so he
Speaker 1: did that earlier. I don't remember him doing that earlier.
Speaker 1: He did that earlier. So unless I'm wrong, I don't
Speaker 1: remember that earlier. But I'm pretty sure he did it earlier.
Speaker 3: He did it, and he did it, and then in
Speaker 3: this scene, he just went and got drunk and asleep
Speaker 3: on the ground, right, right, So both both things happened
Speaker 3: in the movie.
Speaker 1: Two things can be true. So Agnes goes to visit
Speaker 1: Nora and gives her Gustav's script, and she convinces her
Speaker 1: to read a certain passage.
Speaker 5: So, Spike, what did you think of this scene Dista
Speaker 5: passions when she realized what happens at the end of
Speaker 5: the movie.
Speaker 1: I mean, she just realizes that it's about her. That's
Speaker 1: about her.
Speaker 5: Basically, I thought it went a long way in the
Speaker 5: sense of she thought the he was trying to mend relationship,
Speaker 5: and like I said earlier with the little boy and
Speaker 5: him cashing him, he relates to people through movies, so
Speaker 5: he was trying to explain to her that I'm sorry
Speaker 5: that I left all of this time without actually saying it,
Speaker 5: and she got it. But she also, I think, feel
Speaker 5: cheated because he wouldn't come out directly and say that.
Speaker 5: I shouldn't have to read it in a script for
Speaker 5: you to figure it out.
Speaker 4: You think she felt cheated, but hm, I don't know
Speaker 4: if I thought she felt cheated by it. I did
Speaker 4: get the same thing you got or whatever, because she
Speaker 4: it made her emotional right, and I think it was
Speaker 4: a step towards understanding, in my opinion, and just understanding
Speaker 4: who her father is, how much he actually does care
Speaker 4: about her to that point, it's not just about I
Speaker 4: know you were saying in the beginning, like about his
Speaker 4: career is his way and his career done. Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: his way of communicating, you know, with his family. So
Speaker 4: I thought that was cool. Man, I don't know, I
Speaker 4: really liked this. I thought this was a very very
Speaker 4: touching scene, even for the way her sister was looking
Speaker 4: at her as she was reading it, just to kind
Speaker 4: of get her reaction to it.
Speaker 1: I thought that was really good.
Speaker 3: They both were very reluctant to read the script, and
Speaker 3: even her and she eventually got around to reading. And
Speaker 3: I can't remember what caused her to read it. Sister,
Speaker 3: I'm at this rate at first, and I forgot.
Speaker 1: What well left it with her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but she didn't want to read it either.
Speaker 1: Remember she didn't, but remember what we were talking about
Speaker 1: at the beginning, she's more forgiving. Yes you did mention that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: She's willing to give him a shot.
Speaker 2: So she eventually was like, all right, let me see
Speaker 2: what this shit.
Speaker 1: And again they were both trying to figure out what
Speaker 1: his angle is. They're like, why are you here? Why
Speaker 1: are you pushing this on us? So she was just
Speaker 1: the first one to give in, and after learning about
Speaker 1: what her grandmother did, I think that made her want
Speaker 1: to go read the script and see that was it?
Speaker 3: That was that was a catalyst. That Okay, So yeah,
Speaker 3: that was it. That was the part that was the trick. Okay,
Speaker 3: so it was.
Speaker 1: Someone going on with the house too, the cell of
Speaker 1: the house. Yeah, I think he owned.
Speaker 3: No, he transferred ownership to her, but she never signed
Speaker 3: it to the mom, her being a mom, so he
Speaker 3: still owned the house.
Speaker 2: This was this was this was interesting.
Speaker 3: So now we get to the part of the movie
Speaker 3: that really started to stick with me and that I
Speaker 3: kept thinking about and connection with everything else because Rachel
Speaker 3: kept saying, I need to know about your mom. He
Speaker 3: kept saying, this movie is not about my mother. First
Speaker 3: time he said, I'm like, you fucking lie.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Second time he said, I was like, wh who
Speaker 1: the fuck is it a way?
Speaker 2: Sure, we come to find out it's not right.
Speaker 4: It's not, but it kind of is like like, in
Speaker 4: a sense, like because the mother what she did, I
Speaker 4: feel like, I don't know. I kind of feel like
Speaker 4: and I might be wrong, but he could see the
Speaker 4: daughter on a similar path.
Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, it feels like he's he's it's about.
Speaker 1: What she could do.
Speaker 3: It's like, even though he hasn't been around, there are
Speaker 3: maybe things that he sees or behaviors that he's heard
Speaker 3: that seems familiar. So it's almost like he's almost damn
Speaker 3: near saving her life, you know. And there were some similarities,
Speaker 3: uh that that they display and you know, because the
Speaker 3: only thing we saw were panic attacks.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't I didn't, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't recall anything about her being depressed of a
Speaker 3: suicidal until she said it. Both of those things were
Speaker 3: revealed earlier, but it was it was in a conversation,
Speaker 3: but it came like later on in the movie. We
Speaker 3: saw the panic attacks, but then I think it was
Speaker 3: a conversation. I thought I thought that conversation happened when
Speaker 3: she was because I thought Nora asked atn this, how
Speaker 3: does he know about my attempt?
Speaker 1: That happened in this scene, But earlier on in the film,
Speaker 1: when Agnes was Nora was going through it, Agnes said,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna do this again, right, and you're you're
Speaker 1: supposed to put it two and two together that she
Speaker 1: had previously tried to commit suicide. It's just they explicitly
Speaker 1: say it in this moment because she asks, Agnes, did
Speaker 1: you ever tell him about my suicide attempt? And she's
Speaker 1: like no. So when Agnes says to her like this
Speaker 1: movie is not just written with you in mind, it's
Speaker 1: written about you, like this is your life. I don't
Speaker 1: think that she was being literal. It's just a matter
Speaker 1: of they're realizing how much Nora has been carrying this
Speaker 1: trauma from her grandmother without even knowing it. They had
Speaker 1: the same path, like they were both depressed and they
Speaker 1: were both about to commit suicide. But she was just
Speaker 1: bugged out that he was trying to push her into
Speaker 1: this role to play his mother when she's going through
Speaker 1: the same thing and he doesn't even factually know it.
Speaker 1: So I thought this scene was like insanely good. It
Speaker 1: was like, wait a minute, how the fuck does he
Speaker 1: even know this? That's what I kept asking. But he
Speaker 1: knows his daughter and his mom, right, Yeah, he sees
Speaker 1: it in his mom, And so we can look at
Speaker 1: it two ways. We can either say we know he
Speaker 1: knows his daughter, he can see it in his mother.
Speaker 1: He can see elements of his mother and his daughter.
Speaker 1: He doesn't want her to go on that path, or
Speaker 1: we can say that he just wants to connect with
Speaker 1: her and he wants her to play in this part
Speaker 1: so she can understand why he's the way he is
Speaker 1: it's one of those two things, I.
Speaker 3: Think, which also both yeah yeah, which again this is
Speaker 3: the part I like, which connects to why she is
Speaker 3: the way she is, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So that I was like, man, that's good. That's goodness,
Speaker 1: that's good. Yeah. You breathed in like you're gonna.
Speaker 3: Say I was, but I don't know if you're gonna.
Speaker 3: I want to hit the next question first.
Speaker 1: Well, the next question is the end. So do you
Speaker 1: have something about this particular scene or is it about
Speaker 1: the end seeing her playing the role?
Speaker 3: Okay, I do I do have a connect I do
Speaker 3: have a question because in this scene when after she
Speaker 3: read the script and they're crying, the conversations she had
Speaker 3: when they were on the side of the bed, bro, Yeah,
Speaker 3: when she was like she was like our childhoods were similar,
Speaker 3: and she.
Speaker 1: Was like, no, they weren't. She was like different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had you yep, bro, Like yo, that's a fucking
Speaker 1: bar and she didn't have anybody like man.
Speaker 2: I was like bruh, yeah, that shit stuck with me.
Speaker 3: I was like damn yeah, okay, okay, sentimental value, they
Speaker 3: didn't drop the name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was and I thought.
Speaker 4: It was gonna be more in the time, like it
Speaker 4: seemed like it was gonna I felt like it should
Speaker 4: have been a bigger moment because that was when it
Speaker 4: was going through the ship at the house, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, but I think that the name of the film
Speaker 1: travels throughout the entire film because all of this is
Speaker 1: about sentimental value. He sentimental value is his memories of
Speaker 1: his mother, the emotion he felt from it, and then
Speaker 1: he's putting this on to her. Now you see what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, See when I think sentimental, I think tangible.
Speaker 1: M sure, but this is also, you know, a movie
Speaker 1: about art, so they're being abstracted. I get what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I guess you can look at the script. Is sentimental value?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tangible, but they were going through tangible idols
Speaker 3: when they said it.
Speaker 1: Exactly He said, yeah, yeah, yeah, what happened, keep going?
Speaker 1: Told you to keep right. After being hospitalized, there wasn't
Speaker 1: a single nigger in this film, you know, so I
Speaker 1: don't think I'll worry about this. After being hospitalized. After
Speaker 1: a drunken night, Gustav renovates the house and then we
Speaker 1: see that Nora and Eric have joined the production, and
Speaker 1: we just discover that what we're watching is a scene
Speaker 1: from the movie being filmed. And actually, I'm gonna add
Speaker 1: one more question. Did they get y'all with this?
Speaker 4: Initially until I saw the blue screen. I saw the
Speaker 4: blue screen outside, I was like, oh, they don't sit.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I noticed the blue screen outside.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so they had the wall, everything in the windows,
Speaker 4: the doorway.
Speaker 1: Everything was blue. Oh I didn't see that.
Speaker 4: I took that out then, So yeah, that's how you
Speaker 4: can you know it's like green screen?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I know. I know. I was
Speaker 1: gonna let it go, Spike, But go ahead. What do
Speaker 1: you think did they get you?
Speaker 5: They didn't give me because I saw the blue screen, Okay,
Speaker 5: explaining them.
Speaker 1: With I don't know, it's like green screens, like green screen,
Speaker 1: but it's blue. That's why they call it blue screen. No,
Speaker 1: do y'all know why they used to different once? No,
Speaker 1: that's different. Yeah, No, I don't know what I know.
Speaker 1: Green is like the most versatile color.
Speaker 4: Right, well, green is green, isn't a lot of ship
Speaker 4: like you know what I'm saying blue, It's very you
Speaker 4: could do it like your news in different places.
Speaker 1: It's just depending on what.
Speaker 4: You're wearing in the setting and the mood, that's when
Speaker 4: you would choose to use green open.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they got me, They got me.
Speaker 1: I didn't see the blue screen, y'all.
Speaker 3: So when she was talking to Eric, because we had
Speaker 3: seen an area, yeah, we had seen they had a
Speaker 3: relationship the whole movie, and.
Speaker 1: You know, I started there were things.
Speaker 3: I was like, that's weird, but okay, because because I'll
Speaker 3: tell you what happened was when he came back and
Speaker 3: was knocking on the doors and I forgot my phone,
Speaker 3: I was like.
Speaker 2: Damn, he saved her life. I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 2: that's cool.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: The way her face changed, I was like, oh, she.
Speaker 4: Was talking about that earlier. I don't know if you remember.
Speaker 4: He was sending it to Ella. What's the girl named
Speaker 4: el Fan. He was just he was saying, like when
Speaker 4: she was looking out the window or whatever. He he's
Speaker 4: her to depict. He needs that that scene to be
Speaker 4: very strong. And so the fact that it came back
Speaker 4: around and she did it and it was strong, like
Speaker 4: you said, it was very impactful.
Speaker 1: So I thought that was brilliantly. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: she ain't gonna do this to them, bro. I was like,
Speaker 1: no way, like, come on, Laura, are you serious? Then
Speaker 1: mother just walked. I was like, y'all motherfuckers. Yep. So
Speaker 1: that that turns out to just be a scene in
Speaker 1: the film. And I know Ken definitely said it, and
Speaker 1: I think you said it, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: you did or not, but a couple of y'all were like,
Speaker 1: when it was over, y'all were like, well, that's it.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go back to that when y'all say
Speaker 1: that said, did y'all hate the ending or if even
Speaker 1: if you don't want to say you hated the ending,
Speaker 1: you see when you say that's it, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: I thought there was going to be more of a conclusion, Okay.
Speaker 5: I just expected more like some type of finality with
Speaker 5: the relationship between maybe the daughter and the dad.
Speaker 1: Okay, it ain't your turn, it ain't your Ken. So
Speaker 1: it's all of the awards.
Speaker 3: So all the awards built up this big, powerful like
Speaker 3: movie that as soon as it's done, you'll like get.
Speaker 3: But like I said, when I went to bed, it
Speaker 3: was sitting with me, I just kept going back through
Speaker 3: every single thing that was happening, and I started to
Speaker 3: really reflect the thing.
Speaker 2: I was like, maybe that's what they're talking about.
Speaker 3: Like, it's not like it's so many things you have
Speaker 3: to kind of play back throughout the movie of how
Speaker 3: the movie was. Like if you don't even think about
Speaker 3: the movie, right throughout the whole movie, there's separated you know,
Speaker 3: there's Rachel and this other girl, and then there's Nora
Speaker 3: over this other end with this other guy you know occasionally,
Speaker 3: and they don't really come together until the end, and
Speaker 3: then they just sit there.
Speaker 2: They don't even say anything to each other.
Speaker 1: They just kind of they's just silence.
Speaker 3: So and then you would think about like certain things
Speaker 3: that were said, like when he said something about shadows,
Speaker 3: and I can't remember exactly what he said.
Speaker 1: He said saying I think something like the shadows make
Speaker 1: the house more beautiful, but.
Speaker 3: It was something about film too. It was something about
Speaker 3: using it in film. But so when I'm thinking about
Speaker 3: the whole comment about shadow, he said something there's something
Speaker 3: beautiful or something about shadows or whatever, and you think
Speaker 3: about like Nora, and you know, like you can argue
Speaker 3: that she has this cloud, this sort of shadow hanging
Speaker 3: around her, you know, with her depression and then the
Speaker 3: panic attacks. So I'm starting to think about all these
Speaker 3: things that's happening in the movie. That's why I was saying,
Speaker 3: there's things there, but it's just like all these awards
Speaker 3: built it up to wear its super hype.
Speaker 2: So when he got to the end, I'm like, damn,
Speaker 2: that's it.
Speaker 3: But I had to go and I'm still thinking about
Speaker 3: That's why I felt like we're gonna have a really
Speaker 3: good discussion here, because I know there were things to
Speaker 3: really discuss and pull out. So so yeah, at the time,
Speaker 3: I felt like that that was it, but you know,
Speaker 3: it's way much more than that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like with your understanding of the movie
Speaker 4: as we reviewed this, I thought the ending would be
Speaker 4: impactful for you because it's like they didn't really have
Speaker 4: to say much, Like I think it was so much
Speaker 4: said in the expressions between the two. They both were emotional,
Speaker 4: kind of holding it back a little bit, and you
Speaker 4: felt like they finally got a connection. They finally you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, They finally are gonna be able
Speaker 4: to move throughout life, you know, without the resentment, without
Speaker 4: a like just a better understanding that no, I really
Speaker 4: do care about you and you care about me.
Speaker 1: You just you're just angry all the time.
Speaker 4: So once you get rid of that anger and release it,
Speaker 4: now we can we can move on with a relationship.
Speaker 4: I felt that I didn't need it to be explained, Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I didn't need it to be explained.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 4: That was the other thing too that I wanted to
Speaker 4: point out with how that said that they played on
Speaker 4: the fact that this was a h foreign language because
Speaker 4: the act American actors. She's like, well, don't you think
Speaker 4: I need to have an accident of that speaking the language?
Speaker 4: I feel like you feel it more. And I was
Speaker 4: just like, damn, you know what I'm saying When I
Speaker 4: say I don't like subtitle stuff, I do understand that
Speaker 4: some stuff need to be in that language because if
Speaker 4: you feel it more. I said that about some of
Speaker 4: the animies or whatever. Yeah, City of Gods like that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I do like that element. I just wanted
Speaker 4: to I was.
Speaker 2: Thinking, I was like, Rachel Rachel, Rachel Kimkin, that did that, bro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it wouldn't It wouldn't have came off the
Speaker 1: same way.
Speaker 3: Nah No, yeah, yeah, but but no, it definitely is
Speaker 3: is is a like I don't I don't think I
Speaker 3: thought it was trash. I just was expecting a lot
Speaker 3: more and I think what it was was I thought
Speaker 3: we were going to see a lot of clashing on
Speaker 3: screen between the two, but it was it was, it
Speaker 3: was happening.
Speaker 1: It was just it was like invisible.
Speaker 3: Right right and uh powerful yeah yeah yeah, Like thinking
Speaker 3: about it talking about it with you guys, like you know,
Speaker 3: there wasn't a lot of them like it really, whereas
Speaker 3: this division between the two throughout the whole movie and.
Speaker 2: Then they eventually, like you said, it came together.
Speaker 3: It was like, yeah, there's no words that need to
Speaker 3: be said about this, about what we did and how
Speaker 3: we managed to come here to get to this spot.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think few actors can can portray a
Speaker 1: scene that way. I don't know much about the woman
Speaker 1: I know stelling Scarsguard, but there are a few people
Speaker 1: that can look at you and you get what they're thinking.
Speaker 1: That last scene when you say, well, I thought there's
Speaker 1: going to be more or there's all these awards. I
Speaker 1: think that final scene is why there's so many awards,
Speaker 1: because I immediately was like she gets it now and
Speaker 1: she forgives him, and then he's looking back at her saying,
Speaker 1: thank god, you finally understand. You just see it because
Speaker 1: she looks at him, and she kind of smiles and
Speaker 1: she looks down and she looks back at him.
Speaker 4: It's like a slight and hit nod a little. Yes,
Speaker 4: It's like it's so much in that expression. It's masterclass
Speaker 4: acting in this moment.
Speaker 1: So when the movie ended, and then you see like
Speaker 1: Eric come running up there and he has like something
Speaker 1: or whatever, like a and then she's handed a drink
Speaker 1: and it's just normal. At that point, they have finally
Speaker 1: gotten to the point where they can be normal because
Speaker 1: she understands why he's the way he is. He sees her,
Speaker 1: finally he actually sees her, and then the movie ends.
Speaker 1: Fucking brilliant. I thought it was fucking brilliant. Wake up Spike.
Speaker 1: I thought it was brilliant. So yeah, man, when the
Speaker 1: movie ended, I was like, I see why, I see
Speaker 1: why it would get awards. I was thinking it was
Speaker 1: just for acting. I don't know that I would say
Speaker 1: Best Picture because I didn't love the movie like that.
Speaker 1: But again, I did think it was a beautiful film.
Speaker 1: I need to go see his movie that was before this,
Speaker 1: because I'm hearing it was even better. The Worst Person
Speaker 1: in the World. It was called It has the same
Speaker 1: woman that plays Nora in that movie. Is it English? No? No,
Speaker 1: no no, because I was gonna say that too. I
Speaker 1: think any foreign film should be in their language. I
Speaker 1: don't think they need to pick and choose. I think
Speaker 1: that this is just an American way that we have
Speaker 1: grown up looking at film, because I think I might
Speaker 1: have told you before. When I was younger, I used
Speaker 1: to not understand why people spoke other languages because people
Speaker 1: would say, oh, well C means yes. So when I
Speaker 1: was like five, I was like, well, why don't they
Speaker 1: just fucking say yes? Why are they saying? See, this
Speaker 1: is stupid? But Americans do grow up with that very
Speaker 1: empirical idea of how not empirical imperial idea of how
Speaker 1: these things work. Well, if you're trying to appeal to
Speaker 1: an American audience, you need to speak English. But we
Speaker 1: don't understand that. Not everybody's doing that. I don't know
Speaker 1: that they made this film for American audiences. I think
Speaker 1: that they made it for whoever wanted to watch it.
Speaker 1: So when she's saying this is one thing that she
Speaker 1: said when she was quitting the film, she was like,
Speaker 1: this film needs to be in Norwegian, it needs to
Speaker 1: be in like this is not for me to be
Speaker 1: here doing like this is not for me. Why are
Speaker 1: you getting an American person to play in this movie?
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just thought I thought this movie the
Speaker 1: ending was just fucking amazing, man, amazing. Like I said,
Speaker 1: a few people, Daniel Kluya has this effect. There's few
Speaker 1: people I know of that can just look and you like, oh,
Speaker 1: I know what the fuck you're thinking right now? I
Speaker 1: got you. So yeah, anyway, anybody got any final thoughts
Speaker 1: on sentimental value? No, man, I thought it was solid.
Speaker 1: I was pleasantly surprised.
Speaker 4: It took me three tries, but once I finally got
Speaker 4: through it, I was like, all right, that solid.
Speaker 1: I'm not mad.
Speaker 3: I mean, I was upset when we started, but you know,
Speaker 3: I am glad that I did watch it.
Speaker 1: And it's good to kind of break up the.
Speaker 2: Normal rica moreau of what we review, you know.
Speaker 3: So so at the end of the day, and it's
Speaker 3: good to have context to like all the awards and
Speaker 3: stuff that is up for so now I understand whether
Speaker 3: I agree or disagree, like I understand why, you know,
Speaker 3: and then the discussion go from there. But at least
Speaker 3: I'm not ignorant to it, you know, anymore. So, so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm cool with it.
Speaker 1: I could have remained ignorant. If this was in English,
Speaker 1: this would be Spike's number one film of the year.
Speaker 1: All right, well, did you have anything? All right, Well,
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for this review. Hopefully all y'all
Speaker 1: motherfuckers better have enjoyed this ship. This was a task
Speaker 1: for some of the cats on this fucking on this panel. Okay,
Speaker 1: so make sure y'all leave some comments, let us know
Speaker 1: what we missed, and let us know if we need
Speaker 1: to go. Well, we're not going to review them, but
Speaker 1: let us know if we need to watch the other
Speaker 1: movies by Joaquin Trier, just watch, just watch. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna watch them regardless, but I'm just trying to never mind.
Speaker 1: I was trying to get the people involved, but Spike said,
Speaker 1: fuck all, y'all. So we will see y'all next time.
Speaker 1: We out later