WEBVTT - Furious

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<v Speaker 1>The Frames Per Second Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to another episode of the Frames Per Second Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I am your host, Jalen. Doc, what Mike called me on.

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<v Speaker 2>Wanted to make sure he called me that on Resident Evil.

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<v Speaker 2>And here with me, I got Mike, Spike, and Ken.

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<v Speaker 2>And you clicked on it, so you know we're reviewing Furious. So,

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of told y'all to watch this when it

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<v Speaker 2>was like releasing. So I'm kind of, I took, I

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<v Speaker 2>got notes, but obviously it's been a while since I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I kind of want to know y'all thoughts. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>start with you, Ken. What was your thoughts of this,

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<v Speaker 1>of the series?

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<v Speaker 3>This one took a minute for me to get through.

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<v Speaker 3>It was dry for especially the first half. Them trying

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<v Speaker 3>to set everything up. I was, board with this fake

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<v Speaker 3>harley quinn running around person i was like man what

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<v Speaker 3>in the world like can we get to something happening

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<v Speaker 3>instead of this that another i will say the second

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<v Speaker 3>part did pick up when it got sort of uh

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<v Speaker 3>intricate and a little bit more interesting with kind of

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<v Speaker 3>how everything was kind of intertwined together but it was not.

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<v Speaker 1>Living up to the hype for me what about you

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<v Speaker 1>spike Love the messaging, though, and the subject matter.

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<v Speaker 2>No, don't try to undercut it, nigga. Your time is up.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, Spike. I liked it.

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<v Speaker 1>I liked the cop dude from, I think he was

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<v Speaker 1>at Narcos. Yeah, he was. Yeah. Him, so I was

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<v Speaker 1>excited to see him. I liked the storyline.

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<v Speaker 2>It lost me a little bit in the middle as

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<v Speaker 2>far as it's like, okay, let's get to it. It's

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<v Speaker 2>getting kind of mundane now. They drug their feet with

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of things, and I was just like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't need all of this. But all in all, I

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy it. I enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. What about you, Mike?

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<v Speaker 2>It was the epitome of I. It was like a

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<v Speaker 2>show that should have been a lot darker and more serious,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it got filtered through like a WB filter.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was the thing I didn't like about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's a cool idea, but I don't think this

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<v Speaker 2>tone for the.

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<v Speaker 1>Show sold it.

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<v Speaker 2>Have any of y'all ever watched, well, I know you

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<v Speaker 2>probably had known y'all in passing, seen New Girl? New Girl?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No. With Zooey Deschanel?

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<v Speaker 3>Mm-hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>They created New Girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>So I could see, yeah. What was that on?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was like Fox.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a comedy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a, I've watched it. One of my exes got

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<v Speaker 2>me really into it. But yeah, I enjoyed this. I

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<v Speaker 2>also can see how in the middle it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>drags out a little bit. But overall, I really enjoyed this.

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<v Speaker 2>We got eight episodes here, y'all. And I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>time constrain a little bit. So you won't be able

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<v Speaker 2>to dive as deep into this as I would like to.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're just going to get in get into what

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<v Speaker 2>we can all right not at all um all right

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<v Speaker 2>so we start with episode one uh we are introduced

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<v Speaker 2>to uh fbi agent alice black who's investigating the death

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<v Speaker 2>of billionaire jay easton's son caleb and although caleb's death

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<v Speaker 2>appears to be a drug overdose alice determines that he

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<v Speaker 2>was murdered at the scene in the scene with stage

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<v Speaker 2>with the possibility of it being connected to um The

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<v Speaker 2>Adrian Moreto? Is that how you said it?

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<v Speaker 1>Moreto?

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<v Speaker 2>Spike, as viewers, we know that this scene, he was

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<v Speaker 2>murdered because it was obviously the show opens up that way.

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<v Speaker 2>But what did this tell you about Alice as a

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<v Speaker 2>detective even though she was supposed to be stuck on

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<v Speaker 2>phone duty? Observant, this drew me in as a viewer

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<v Speaker 2>from the sense of, okay, she's going to be like

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<v Speaker 2>the smart one, like on the criminal.

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<v Speaker 1>Intent the dude is.

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<v Speaker 2>Always like kind of out there uh but she's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be the one to pay attention to details she's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be the one that like the story goes through so

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<v Speaker 2>i was intrigued to see how smart she actually was

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<v Speaker 2>like what type of cop she was what about you kevin.

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<v Speaker 3>Um i wasn't quite sure yet they it's like they

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<v Speaker 3>were trying to you know just in the beginning, like,

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<v Speaker 3>show that, like, she's attentive. She's going above and beyond.

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<v Speaker 3>She's willing to listen to people where the others weren't.

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<v Speaker 3>And it became like a, they were kind of, it

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<v Speaker 3>became a job because they have been used to this

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<v Speaker 3>person calling. But she was like, nah, let me take

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<v Speaker 3>them and treat them with some sort of respect. But

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<v Speaker 3>that was about it. So they were trying to at

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<v Speaker 3>least say that, nah, she's kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Of built different.

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<v Speaker 2>You got anything you want to add, Mike? So we

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<v Speaker 2>know from the opening scene of The Killer, from The Killer. So, Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>what did you think about the opening scene with The

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<v Speaker 2>Killer and how they did it? I mean, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>really that exciting to watch somebody just shoot somebody up

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<v Speaker 2>with whatever the fuck she was shooting, fentanyl or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it was. It was... What's up?

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<v Speaker 1>I was just going to say it was the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Jackson was using. That's not fentanyl, is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that is fentanyl.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it was whatever they used to put you under for, like, surgeries.

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<v Speaker 2>Propofol?

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<v Speaker 1>That's it. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>But, yeah, I mean, I was intrigued. We don't really

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<v Speaker 2>see too many, like, female serial killer kind of shows,

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<v Speaker 2>so I was intrigued. I just knew that they were

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<v Speaker 2>going to make her, they were going to justify her

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<v Speaker 2>killings at some point because they don't just have, female

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<v Speaker 2>serial killers going around killing people randomly so i was

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<v Speaker 2>like okay what's the story because i'm sure somebody did

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<v Speaker 2>something to her.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay well while working did you have anything you wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to add to that aspect uh similar to what mike

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<v Speaker 4>was saying what's the story here because we don't usually

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<v Speaker 4>see female anti-heroes so i was that did intrigue me

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<v Speaker 4>because i was like okay where they going with this.

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<v Speaker 1>Well while working with the state attorneys um.

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<v Speaker 2>Nora Washington. Allison uncovers evidence of Adrian's abuse of trafficking

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<v Speaker 2>victims and learns that one victim had a distinctive poppy tattoo.

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<v Speaker 2>After receiving Adrian's files, Alice finds some footage showing that

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<v Speaker 2>Adrian was attacking a woman with the same tattoo. So,

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<v Speaker 2>while it was revealed later that Jenny has the tattoo,

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<v Speaker 2>we are also confirmed that Adrian has a connection and

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<v Speaker 2>a personal campaign well, that There's also Jenny with a

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<v Speaker 2>campaign to get revenge. Spike, what did you first think

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<v Speaker 2>of the dynamic of Alice and Nora?

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<v Speaker 1>Alice and who? Nora.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the black lady. I liked her. I liked her

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<v Speaker 2>dry humor. I think it worked in this series, to

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<v Speaker 2>be honest with you. It would have irritated me, I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like, in another show. But in this show, I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like it was spot on. I liked how she

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of hazing a little bit, like making her

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<v Speaker 2>work for it. But she also saw that she was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good, too, and cared. And I think that she, like,

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<v Speaker 2>gravitated towards it. I'm talking about the black lady towards

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<v Speaker 2>the white lady as far as her observations. But I

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<v Speaker 2>liked the dynamic. What about you, Gabe?

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<v Speaker 1>Nora was my favorite character on the show. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she, yeah, the dry humor, the humor just overall

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<v Speaker 3>is really good. But she was really, really smart, which

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<v Speaker 3>added to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, so she was able to kind of cut you

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<v Speaker 1>up with sharpness. of a black woman with some extra added, like,

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<v Speaker 1>seasoning on top of it.

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<v Speaker 3>So she was really, really dope throughout the whole show,

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<v Speaker 3>especially towards the back end of the series when she

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<v Speaker 3>got more screen time.

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<v Speaker 1>But I really liked her a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Feel the same way, Mike? I don't know. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>care that much about her. Her little, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Her little bite... And the quips, it just felt too

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<v Speaker 2>sister girl for me. So it just, I got kind

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<v Speaker 2>of bored with it real quick. And she's also part

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<v Speaker 2>of what made this feel WB to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Just like, all right, insert the black woman, make her

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<v Speaker 2>just make a bunch of standard black woman comments. I

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<v Speaker 2>just didn't care. And especially towards this little like frail

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<v Speaker 2>white girl. I was like, I don't, this is, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen this story three zillion times. I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm surprised she didn't start rapping like she

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<v Speaker 2>was fucking, what's the dude from Sky Joe that used

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<v Speaker 2>to rap every line? She ended up singing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she was singing. She was ready for it.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought she may have did a rap song. She

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<v Speaker 3>did have you sing about a shot like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything else you took from episode one? It wasn't. good

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<v Speaker 1>enough to be like okay i can't wait.

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<v Speaker 2>To see where this is going yep i watched episode

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<v Speaker 2>one and then i i actually watched episode one a

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<v Speaker 2>while before i even got back into it like at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of it i was like okay it's cool

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<v Speaker 2>i get back to it at some point i was

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<v Speaker 2>like i got to binge this shit for real.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, bro. Me too. What are we doing? I

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<v Speaker 2>liked episode one. Episode one drew me, especially the last

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<v Speaker 2>conversation that they had with each other about.

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<v Speaker 1>As it faded out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And when they were sitting in the hospital talking

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<v Speaker 2>about abuse and how basically like the abuses always get off.

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<v Speaker 2>And for her to be, for Alice to be the

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<v Speaker 2>cop in this situation, she still felt uneasy and off

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit. Um, cause they were hinting at it,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when her dynamics with the cops, like something else

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<v Speaker 2>is going on here. Um, but I was like, I was,

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<v Speaker 2>I was kind of curious about that because full transparency,

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<v Speaker 2>since knowing this nigga, Mike, who's I'm, who I'm pointing to,

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<v Speaker 2>he's not the main reason, but Mike, multiple people have

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<v Speaker 2>talking about like, just, and then over time, life of

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<v Speaker 2>life's experiences. Now that I watch shows with cops in it,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always looking for the propaganda in it. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm always trying to figure out, like, am I

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be rooting for this cop?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, or how they gonna try to convince me to

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<v Speaker 1>root for this fucking cop?

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<v Speaker 2>So that I was very intrigued about, like, how, what's

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<v Speaker 2>the angle here they're trying to use with her being

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<v Speaker 2>the protagonist? They gotta make her go through intense trauma

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<v Speaker 2>to make us be like, oh yeah, she's alright. Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>About three episodes later, I was like, oh, okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>feel a little bit more for her, but Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>in those beginning moments, I was like, she's still a cop.

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<v Speaker 1>She's still a cop. She's still a cop.

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<v Speaker 2>What is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Still the police. That's right. Running from the police. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead, General.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all right, Pop.

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<v Speaker 1>Episode two.

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<v Speaker 2>Alice believes that both cases may involve the same woman.

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<v Speaker 2>So Danny and her boss demand that we get more

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<v Speaker 2>evidence before we actually move with this theory. But Nora

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<v Speaker 2>reveals her distrust of Alice because of her past as

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<v Speaker 2>a police officer.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is very interesting to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, cop on cop hate. Sounds right.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>You talking about her and Marshall or whatever? No, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>talking about Nora didn't fuck with Alice because she was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you was a police officer.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how I heard the other thing. I've

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<v Speaker 2>heard that before. The FBI doesn't fuck with regular cops.

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<v Speaker 1>They're pretentious.

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<v Speaker 3>All these three-letter organizations.

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<v Speaker 1>FBI, DEA, they're probably all like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I get being pretentious and feeling like I'm higher and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm above you, but she was more so in the

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<v Speaker 2>vein of like, I can't trust you. Like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know the fuck you got. Like, you be doing shady shit.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, y'all all do shady shit. That's why I

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<v Speaker 2>felt kind of funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like it's a Well, my shady shit is better

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<v Speaker 1>than your shady shit. That's probably how they look at it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's for a higher cause or purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>Your shady shit is against the everyday person. Mine is

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<v Speaker 1>for the nation and all. Yeah, yeah. Wouldn't you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of get that sentiment towards the end of the show?

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<v Speaker 1>From Ed.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, eventually Alice opens up about being fired after her

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<v Speaker 2>abuse of ex-boyfriend Marshall. So the did this make you

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<v Speaker 2>feel anything for alice in this moment again um.

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<v Speaker 3>A little bit only because of how she was viewed

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<v Speaker 3>within the police force and the lack of actions taken towards.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy that was a cop.

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<v Speaker 3>Who then we found out later or in the same

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<v Speaker 3>episode that they used to be high school like classmates

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<v Speaker 3>that turned into lovers and this long-standing relationship that they had. And,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, because of the fraternity of, you know, the blue, that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, she was in an unfortunate situation where even

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<v Speaker 3>though all these things were happening to her, nobody would

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<v Speaker 3>either believe her, even though she didn't even report it.

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<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, it.

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<v Speaker 3>Was stuff that they put on it to show that

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<v Speaker 3>she just left because she had no choice and this

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<v Speaker 3>guy was still there. Even her best friend, Danny, said

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<v Speaker 3>he believed her, but I don't believe what he said.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't get that. You think he believed? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That Marshall was beating up on her? He put everything

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<v Speaker 2>on the line for her. Yeah, I think he believed her.

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<v Speaker 2>Especially later on when he revealed stuff. They treated him

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<v Speaker 2>like an outcast because he believed her. Right. Which he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have to do. Yeah, because he went and told the...

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<v Speaker 2>I thought he was just saying that because he wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to get the draw. No, he the one that went

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<v Speaker 2>and told the tow for her.

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<v Speaker 1>She told him. He went and told the captain. They

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<v Speaker 1>said that later. My bad.

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<v Speaker 3>I missed that story. So she didn't report it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, she didn't report it. He was the one that

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<v Speaker 1>went and told.

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<v Speaker 2>He knew, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He just didn't ask what was happening.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't give details. Yeah, that's why I was riffing

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<v Speaker 2>on both sides. That's why she had a problem with

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<v Speaker 2>him a little bit because she didn't tell him the tale.

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<v Speaker 2>He went and told on his own. At least that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see that?

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember right now. Oh, but yeah, see, because

0:15:06.220 --> 0:15:09.720
<v Speaker 2>he was like, when they were talking to the captain later,

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<v Speaker 2>he was like, you came and told me. And then

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<v Speaker 2>he was talking about that being a rift for him

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<v Speaker 2>in the department and why he wasn't able.

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<v Speaker 1>To move up.

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<v Speaker 3>I knew they weren't fucking with him because he was

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<v Speaker 3>siding with her.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what?

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<v Speaker 2>That does sound right. He told him to do. That's

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<v Speaker 2>why nobody didn't fuck with him. Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>They were basically looking at him as a snitch. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't just that he took her side. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like basically he was a snitch.

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<v Speaker 1>He told him. Yep. Take back what I said there.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember thinking that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I was intrigued to your question, Jalen, in

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<v Speaker 2>the sense of them adding the abuse factor in there

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<v Speaker 2>just to see how it would affect her work, like

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<v Speaker 2>how deep she would dive.

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<v Speaker 1>In, how much sympathy she would have for the victims.

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<v Speaker 2>That was my next question.

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<v Speaker 1>And things like that. So yeah, that made me intrigued.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you feel like her work was skewed a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit because of the, you felt like the way she

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<v Speaker 2>was looking at it?

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<v Speaker 4>Mm-hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>What about you, Mike? You felt like there was some

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<v Speaker 2>bias that she had just because of her past experiences

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<v Speaker 2>while she was investigating? I didn't notice it at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess now that y'all are saying it, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>She let the lady leave to go kill her. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that was at the end. True. Yeah. Yeah, at the beginning,

0:16:22.780 --> 0:16:23.720
<v Speaker 1>she just wanted to catch him.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I thought. Yeah. But she knew that was something.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think if she wasn't abused, she wouldn't look

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<v Speaker 2>for something more. I think that was the driving force

0:16:33.030 --> 0:16:36.150
<v Speaker 2>in her, like, nah, it's something else here. Like, continuous

0:16:36.170 --> 0:16:37.890
<v Speaker 2>looking at the car outside the bodega.

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<v Speaker 1>A murder? Huh? Just off of the murder alone?

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<v Speaker 2>I think she leaves it alone. It was an overdose.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think she leaves it alone if she's not

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<v Speaker 1>going through abuse.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I think she'll do her job, but, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you see how skeptical everybody else was about it.

0:16:56.030 --> 0:16:57.710
<v Speaker 2>It was like, bro, you sound crazy. Yeah, they was

0:16:57.750 --> 0:16:59.230
<v Speaker 2>also telling her, you need to go get more evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Which, I mean, I get that because, you know, they

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<v Speaker 3>need that in order to make a case or whatever.

0:17:08.310 --> 0:17:15.730
<v Speaker 2>Well, as Allison advances, like Allison advances her investigation and

0:17:15.770 --> 0:17:21.929
<v Speaker 2>she discovers Caleb's lawyer, Oliver Charles. And at the same time,

0:17:23.230 --> 0:17:28.600
<v Speaker 2>we learn that she's struggling with the abuse from things

0:17:28.619 --> 0:17:31.330
<v Speaker 2>that's constantly coming up. But Danny is trying to support

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<v Speaker 2>her and helps her to finally overcome this.

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<v Speaker 1>Fear that she has. Did y'all feel like.

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<v Speaker 2>This was a lot? The shower? The fear of showering?

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that he was calling out how she smelled

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<v Speaker 2>was crazy. Yeah, this was a lot. This was a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess it was impactful being that it

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<v Speaker 2>was like how people was saying, man, you stink. Like,

0:18:00.710 --> 0:18:02.869
<v Speaker 2>they were making it play out on screen, making us

0:18:02.910 --> 0:18:05.330
<v Speaker 2>really feel it as viewers. But it was a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot in the sense that they were doing too

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<v Speaker 1>much or just like... No, I fucked with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, it added to the story. It showed just how

0:18:15.300 --> 0:18:18.580
<v Speaker 2>affected she was. Like, I think it was one point

0:18:18.619 --> 0:18:21.420
<v Speaker 2>that they drove home, but then it showed it. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I wondered why she kept looking at the shower and

0:18:24.140 --> 0:18:25.740
<v Speaker 2>wasn't doing nothing, but then it finally came out and

0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:28.449
<v Speaker 2>then people started talking about how she smelled. It was like, oh, okay,

0:18:28.470 --> 0:18:30.690
<v Speaker 2>so she really fucked up behind this. So it did

0:18:30.750 --> 0:18:32.469
<v Speaker 2>add a layer to it. What about you, Gabe?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Because you don't really know how these things impact people.

0:18:39.290 --> 0:18:44.489
<v Speaker 3>And some of these things we don't always see. And

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<v Speaker 3>it could be something for her. It just had to

0:18:46.859 --> 0:18:51.879
<v Speaker 3>be something that started to impact the physical world for

0:18:51.940 --> 0:18:55.860
<v Speaker 3>other people. But just seeing the trauma that she had

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<v Speaker 3>Experienced to the point where I can't even get in

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<v Speaker 3>this shower because the last time he did it was

0:19:01.470 --> 0:19:06.550
<v Speaker 3>so freaking traumatic and abusive that I'd just rather not

0:19:06.590 --> 0:19:09.910
<v Speaker 3>even go through that anymore. I thought it was really

0:19:09.950 --> 0:19:15.139
<v Speaker 3>dope and caring for him to be like, look, I'll

0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.119
<v Speaker 3>sit here. I'll be your guardian, your protector, so you

0:19:18.140 --> 0:19:20.020
<v Speaker 3>can get in there and do that. And it was

0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:24.400
<v Speaker 3>still kind of hard for her to do it she

0:19:24.420 --> 0:19:28.760
<v Speaker 3>still had to you know kind of over overcome it

0:19:29.020 --> 0:19:31.330
<v Speaker 3>and but if she was able to do it knowing

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<v Speaker 3>that that he was there it was a really sad

0:19:33.970 --> 0:19:36.590
<v Speaker 3>scene you know especially kind of think they faded the

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<v Speaker 3>black they did something where they kind of banned you

0:19:39.270 --> 0:19:42.790
<v Speaker 3>know zoomed out and he was just sitting there so yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know we come up yeah that's the shower scene

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<v Speaker 2>that was a really good scene really really good scene

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<v Speaker 2>because when he first said he was like you stink.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how to tell you this yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Bro she gotta smell bad for you to tell a

0:19:55.830 --> 0:19:57.669
<v Speaker 2>girl that you kind of like that she stinks what

0:19:58.390 --> 0:20:01.090
<v Speaker 2>that's that's crazy but yeah when we hear the story

0:20:01.130 --> 0:20:03.090
<v Speaker 2>that's why i wish this was made by a different

0:20:03.310 --> 0:20:06.230
<v Speaker 2>studio or something because it wasn't dark enough it didn't

0:20:06.250 --> 0:20:08.810
<v Speaker 2>it didn't go which way you want to do it Like,

0:20:08.890 --> 0:20:13.720
<v Speaker 2>that story is so deep and detailed and very fucked up.

0:20:14.900 --> 0:20:17.160
<v Speaker 2>As many shows as I've watched and movies as I've watched,

0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:21.020
<v Speaker 2>I've never even thought about that. But, yeah, man, that

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<v Speaker 2>was a really touching scene that he was just like,

0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:25.800
<v Speaker 2>I'll be here. Just take a shower. I'm not going

0:20:25.820 --> 0:20:29.510
<v Speaker 2>to look. Even though I'm sure he, you know. He

0:20:29.530 --> 0:20:32.190
<v Speaker 2>wanted to. But, yeah, man, that was a really, really,

0:20:32.270 --> 0:20:36.490
<v Speaker 2>really good scene. And that was good writing, that particular part. Yeah.

0:20:36.510 --> 0:20:41.050
<v Speaker 2>All right. When he said she was stink, and then, like,

0:20:41.070 --> 0:20:44.440
<v Speaker 2>they went to that party, and the sister said she was.

0:20:44.380 --> 0:20:45.460
<v Speaker 1>Stink, too. Yeah, she was like, I see she still

0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:46.580
<v Speaker 1>don't take a bath. I'm like, damn.

0:20:46.619 --> 0:20:49.320
<v Speaker 2>But old dude was on the dance floor just dancing

0:20:49.340 --> 0:20:52.139
<v Speaker 2>with her. He didn't give a fuck. I'm like, you nasty, Nick.

0:20:52.180 --> 0:20:55.000
<v Speaker 1>That's a nasty nigga right there.

0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:57.180
<v Speaker 2>I was like, you a nasty nigga.

0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:00.310
<v Speaker 1>A golden mind. That is right.

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<v Speaker 2>Y'all not going to, just because she smell a little bad.

0:21:03.530 --> 0:21:05.709
<v Speaker 1>No, nigga. Y'all bougie as hell. What?

0:21:05.770 --> 0:21:06.730
<v Speaker 2>Fuck that. I'm just kidding.

0:21:07.980 --> 0:21:10.060
<v Speaker 1>That's a fair amount. Hold on.

0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:13.150
<v Speaker 2>It ain't that she smelled just a little bad. She

0:21:13.170 --> 0:21:16.110
<v Speaker 2>smelled bad in the car just sitting still. Now she

0:21:16.190 --> 0:21:20.930
<v Speaker 2>on the dance floor dancing and sweating. Funky pheromones, dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Shut up, Mike. You lying. Man, you ain't live, Spike.

0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:27.720
<v Speaker 1>That's why there was a lot of space around. It

0:21:27.740 --> 0:21:28.540
<v Speaker 1>would just hurt. Right.

0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:34.080
<v Speaker 2>She didn't walk. She didn't game with him.

0:21:34.100 --> 0:21:34.460
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah.

0:21:34.540 --> 0:21:36.639
<v Speaker 2>I was like, go ahead with your funky ass. I

0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:39.720
<v Speaker 2>don't give a fuck. He knew he was taking that

0:21:39.740 --> 0:21:40.420
<v Speaker 2>stinking ass home.

0:21:40.780 --> 0:21:41.399
<v Speaker 1>Oh, man.

0:21:41.859 --> 0:21:47.420
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we also learned about how she also is

0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:49.680
<v Speaker 2>connecting to abuse as well when.

0:21:51.220 --> 0:21:55.609
<v Speaker 1>Having sexual intercourse. Yeah. Oh, when she fought the dude

0:21:55.630 --> 0:21:57.900
<v Speaker 1>that she found on the app? Mm-hmm. Yeah.

0:21:58.400 --> 0:21:59.480
<v Speaker 2>But she didn't give him none either, though.

0:22:00.180 --> 0:22:00.700
<v Speaker 1>I thought she did.

0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:03.660
<v Speaker 2>He said, I thought we were going to have sex.

0:22:03.700 --> 0:22:05.220
<v Speaker 2>And she was like, nah. She sent him off and

0:22:05.260 --> 0:22:06.580
<v Speaker 2>she finished herself.

0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:09.410
<v Speaker 1>Oh, wow. I thought he was down there.

0:22:10.850 --> 0:22:12.449
<v Speaker 2>She pulled the rose up.

0:22:12.470 --> 0:22:12.909
<v Speaker 1>I didn't see it.

0:22:14.190 --> 0:22:16.290
<v Speaker 2>He was being a gentleman. Ken looked away.

0:22:16.350 --> 0:22:19.369
<v Speaker 1>I don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm just here. I don't need to see

0:22:22.350 --> 0:22:23.610
<v Speaker 2>it to believe it.

0:22:24.010 --> 0:22:27.660
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was like, what?

0:22:29.140 --> 0:22:31.040
<v Speaker 2>I came all over here and beat your ass at night.

0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:33.640
<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to fight. Can you imagine that?

0:22:33.660 --> 0:22:35.100
<v Speaker 1>You beat a bitch off an ab and she want

0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:35.460
<v Speaker 1>to fight?

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<v Speaker 2>That would be the craziest thing in the world, bro.

0:22:41.770 --> 0:22:47.770
<v Speaker 2>They're going to throw the balls, bro. Because he probably

0:22:47.790 --> 0:22:49.550
<v Speaker 2>didn't think it was literal until he got there. He

0:22:49.609 --> 0:22:51.330
<v Speaker 2>was like, wait, you really want me to hit you?

0:22:51.530 --> 0:22:53.530
<v Speaker 1>Because you know, girls, you talk to me like, I'll

0:22:53.550 --> 0:22:57.030
<v Speaker 1>beat your ass. You're like, oh, yeah. You're wrestling and shit.

0:22:57.050 --> 0:22:58.550
<v Speaker 2>You really want me to beat your ass?

0:23:00.290 --> 0:23:01.730
<v Speaker 1>Oh, my God, man.

0:23:02.070 --> 0:23:04.629
<v Speaker 2>That's the scaryest part.

0:23:04.670 --> 0:23:07.720
<v Speaker 1>It is. Yeah. That shows like he.

0:23:08.740 --> 0:23:13.370
<v Speaker 2>He fucked up for staying He might be.

0:23:12.990 --> 0:23:15.110
<v Speaker 1>More fucked up than her.

0:23:14.770 --> 0:23:16.810
<v Speaker 3>Marsha messed her up bro To the point where she

0:23:16.830 --> 0:23:20.300
<v Speaker 3>gotta Why you make that face You don't think he

0:23:20.340 --> 0:23:23.199
<v Speaker 3>gets fucked up I don't know if I can say

0:23:23.220 --> 0:23:24.160
<v Speaker 3>that But I'm.

0:23:24.100 --> 0:23:26.040
<v Speaker 2>Saying it is fucked up for you to stay And

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<v Speaker 2>do that shit Even on the flip side like I

0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:31.159
<v Speaker 2>said Not getting there and she want to fight But

0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:34.050
<v Speaker 2>you actually engaging in it You don't know her you

0:23:34.070 --> 0:23:35.070
<v Speaker 2>just met her on an app Let me go on

0:23:35.090 --> 0:23:39.070
<v Speaker 2>with your ass real quick I don't keep James You know,

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<v Speaker 2>so look, yeah, people are into weird shit. I try

0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:46.440
<v Speaker 2>not to judge. I wouldn't want to do it because

0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:48.460
<v Speaker 2>I don't like hitting and any of that stuff.

0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:49.219
<v Speaker 1>I think it's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even like all that choking shit.

0:23:50.940 --> 0:23:54.180
<v Speaker 1>I think it's weird. Personally, I think it's weird. You

0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:54.580
<v Speaker 1>lost me there.

0:23:54.619 --> 0:23:59.159
<v Speaker 2>You lost me there. But see, it's all about what's

0:23:59.180 --> 0:24:02.929
<v Speaker 2>socially acceptable. You're right. The choking thing got cool, and

0:24:02.970 --> 0:24:05.639
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, now it's perfectly fine. But if

0:24:05.660 --> 0:24:07.320
<v Speaker 2>she wants you to hit her, oh, no, I'm not

0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:10.200
<v Speaker 2>doing that. But you'll fucking take her fucking breath away?

0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:11.240
<v Speaker 1>Yes.

0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:17.340
<v Speaker 2>Exactly. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. This

0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:19.280
<v Speaker 2>just shows social conditioning at its finest.

0:24:19.340 --> 0:24:22.399
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it is. But I also... Nah, that's too much.

0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:23.860
<v Speaker 1>That's probably too much.

0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:25.919
<v Speaker 2>I don't kink shame. I'm just not engaging in it.

0:24:26.980 --> 0:24:28.240
<v Speaker 1>I think for me, it was just like.

0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:38.709
<v Speaker 3>For me, it was like equal opportunity. I was just

0:24:38.730 --> 0:24:44.270
<v Speaker 3>thinking about like, is this the outcome of what she

0:24:44.410 --> 0:24:47.429
<v Speaker 3>went through to the point now where you're on the

0:24:47.770 --> 0:24:51.430
<v Speaker 3>app and you're looking for somebody to come do that

0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:52.500
<v Speaker 3>to you because you have been in.

0:24:52.500 --> 0:24:56.100
<v Speaker 1>This relationship like that, so.

0:24:56.000 --> 0:25:00.280
<v Speaker 3>Traumatized that it's almost like you need it. So you

0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:05.369
<v Speaker 3>need or want, or whatever, whatever the proper term is

0:25:05.390 --> 0:25:09.070
<v Speaker 3>for this abuse to happen, yeah, for.

0:25:08.970 --> 0:25:10.639
<v Speaker 1>That, but you won't take a shower.

0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:18.060
<v Speaker 3>Like, bro, that's, that's, that's some, yeah, that's some heavy shit, bro.

0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:20.260
<v Speaker 2>I think those are the type of things I really had,

0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:22.879
<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed the most about the show, is having a

0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:25.440
<v Speaker 2>conversation just about how abuse looks, you know what I'm saying?

0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:31.119
<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, I really appreciated that. Meanwhile, Jenny.

0:25:32.280 --> 0:25:35.800
<v Speaker 2>Is manipulating Oliver to stay in his apartment. And he

0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:41.119
<v Speaker 2>eventually reveals that she was underage years earlier. He knew her.

0:25:41.460 --> 0:25:44.149
<v Speaker 2>So she drugs him and restrains him and confronts him

0:25:44.190 --> 0:25:47.250
<v Speaker 2>about what he did years ago. You know, had that

0:25:47.290 --> 0:25:49.189
<v Speaker 2>nigga all kind of fucked up in there. Then they

0:25:49.250 --> 0:25:51.350
<v Speaker 2>had her sign an NDA and all kind of other bullshit.

0:25:51.369 --> 0:25:52.949
<v Speaker 1>She signed it.

0:25:52.970 --> 0:25:53.910
<v Speaker 2>She signed it.

0:25:53.950 --> 0:25:54.430
<v Speaker 1>No, she didn't.

0:25:54.650 --> 0:25:57.320
<v Speaker 2>No, she did. I thought she wouldn't sign it. They

0:25:57.359 --> 0:25:58.179
<v Speaker 2>didn't show it.

0:25:58.220 --> 0:25:59.540
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they didn't show it. I thought they showed it.

0:26:00.140 --> 0:26:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Because she was like, what does it say? He says blah, blah, blah, blah.

0:26:02.540 --> 0:26:04.460
<v Speaker 2>I think she did sign it because she didn't care. Yeah,

0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:07.320
<v Speaker 2>she did sign it. She just wouldn't leave. Yeah, she

0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:08.440
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't leave. She didn't care.

0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:10.340
<v Speaker 1>It just didn't mean shit for her because she wouldn't

0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:12.639
<v Speaker 1>kill him anyway. Yeah, she knew she was there for her.

0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:15.960
<v Speaker 1>But her daughter, his daughter arrives.

0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:22.330
<v Speaker 2>So, Jenny ends up telling his daughter, Mira, that Oliver

0:26:22.390 --> 0:26:25.010
<v Speaker 2>abused her when she was a teenager and that basically,

0:26:25.150 --> 0:26:25.830
<v Speaker 2>that nigga dead.

0:26:26.910 --> 0:26:27.710
<v Speaker 1>I killed that nigga.

0:26:28.869 --> 0:26:30.120
<v Speaker 2>I ain't like this. You didn't?

0:26:30.300 --> 0:26:31.139
<v Speaker 1>Talk to me why you didn't like this.

0:26:31.859 --> 0:26:34.000
<v Speaker 2>I feel like it was kind of cheap because I

0:26:34.580 --> 0:26:38.420
<v Speaker 2>was really interested in this moment at the show to

0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:42.290
<v Speaker 2>see what she did as like a bad guy. All right,

0:26:42.390 --> 0:26:44.730
<v Speaker 2>now you're in a fucked up position. You got this

0:26:44.750 --> 0:26:47.570
<v Speaker 2>dude in here. You done drugged him. You got this

0:26:47.630 --> 0:26:50.669
<v Speaker 2>little girl here who you of course don't want to

0:26:50.710 --> 0:26:53.470
<v Speaker 2>hurt because you suffered from abuse yourself. And I feel

0:26:53.490 --> 0:26:56.530
<v Speaker 2>like it was really easy the way they let her

0:26:56.630 --> 0:26:58.050
<v Speaker 2>out of just like, oh, I'm just going to tell

0:26:58.070 --> 0:27:03.050
<v Speaker 2>her what happened. I don't know what that goes.

0:27:02.930 --> 0:27:06.170
<v Speaker 1>Yeah but also it seemed like.

0:27:07.550 --> 0:27:14.050
<v Speaker 3>She was picking up on signs that her dad was

0:27:14.369 --> 0:27:19.649
<v Speaker 3>kind of grooming her for a similar situation remember the

0:27:19.710 --> 0:27:20.830
<v Speaker 3>hair thing and.

0:27:20.770 --> 0:27:22.690
<v Speaker 2>The whole like he wants you to keep the hair

0:27:22.710 --> 0:27:25.380
<v Speaker 2>because he wants you to have a boyfriend that definitely

0:27:25.390 --> 0:27:28.450
<v Speaker 2>gave weird creeper vibes to me Yeah. Got you, got you.

0:27:28.580 --> 0:27:31.260
<v Speaker 2>I mean, unless fathers do that, girl dads do that,

0:27:31.380 --> 0:27:31.900
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:27:31.980 --> 0:27:33.179
<v Speaker 1>We don't have one here, so I don't know.

0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:34.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we don't have one here, yeah.

0:27:34.420 --> 0:27:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the one that could speak to it isn't here.

0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:39.200
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't think, not going to speak for Rod ever,

0:27:39.220 --> 0:27:41.140
<v Speaker 2>but that doesn't sound like some shit Rod would say.

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:43.240
<v Speaker 1>Keep your hair so you can get a boyfriend.

0:27:43.340 --> 0:27:45.770
<v Speaker 2>That sounds weird. Yeah. Okay, I missed it.

0:27:46.010 --> 0:27:46.379
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:50.010
<v Speaker 2>Common thought is dads are usually against their daughters rushing

0:27:50.030 --> 0:27:50.850
<v Speaker 2>to have a boyfriend.

0:27:50.890 --> 0:27:53.130
<v Speaker 1>That's why it was weird. Okay. That's why it was weird.

0:27:53.170 --> 0:27:55.370
<v Speaker 1>Why is he saying, you should make yourself look more

0:27:55.390 --> 0:27:56.820
<v Speaker 1>presentable for me? Got you, got you.

0:27:57.109 --> 0:27:57.810
<v Speaker 2>Okay. Yep.

0:27:57.950 --> 0:28:02.030
<v Speaker 1>Yep. And then he was into that anyway. So, okay. Exactly. Understood.

0:28:02.050 --> 0:28:03.950
<v Speaker 2>So you couldn't tell if he was grooming for other

0:28:04.020 --> 0:28:04.330
<v Speaker 2>people or.

0:28:04.300 --> 0:28:07.480
<v Speaker 1>If he was grooming for himself. Got it. Got it. Okay. Okay.

0:28:07.500 --> 0:28:08.060
<v Speaker 2>All right.

0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:09.859
<v Speaker 1>That makes it better then. The payoff. It makes it

0:28:09.880 --> 0:28:13.380
<v Speaker 1>kind of better. Yeah. But it was pretty weird. But

0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:17.060
<v Speaker 1>did it make sense, Mike, that she let her live?

0:28:18.420 --> 0:28:19.219
<v Speaker 1>Let the little girl live?

0:28:19.380 --> 0:28:22.850
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It did not make sense. Well, it made sense,

0:28:23.109 --> 0:28:28.310
<v Speaker 2>but it didn't work with her whole end game her

0:28:28.390 --> 0:28:31.690
<v Speaker 2>motive because how was she to know that that girl

0:28:31.730 --> 0:28:34.790
<v Speaker 2>would not tell and she was just getting started so

0:28:34.869 --> 0:28:38.910
<v Speaker 2>it was like why would I mean I don't know

0:28:38.930 --> 0:28:42.580
<v Speaker 2>I don't know I struggled with this part because there

0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:45.940
<v Speaker 2>was no reason why the little girl wouldn't tell even

0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:49.820
<v Speaker 2>though yeah she told the daughter like yeah your dad

0:28:50.300 --> 0:28:55.100
<v Speaker 2>had he raped me when I was 15 yeah but

0:28:55.140 --> 0:28:58.200
<v Speaker 2>that's still her dad like I don't know I don't know.

0:28:59.500 --> 0:29:04.000
<v Speaker 2>I think it makes sense in the realm of even

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:08.770
<v Speaker 2>though she wasn't a victim, the daughter wasn't a victim,

0:29:09.450 --> 0:29:12.190
<v Speaker 2>she was being groomed to be one. And the way

0:29:12.210 --> 0:29:15.510
<v Speaker 2>of giving her a life ahead of her. This is

0:29:15.590 --> 0:29:19.209
<v Speaker 2>a way of allowing her to have a life to

0:29:19.290 --> 0:29:21.770
<v Speaker 2>move on outside of the sins of what her daddy

0:29:21.790 --> 0:29:23.190
<v Speaker 2>was about to give her. Sure.

0:29:23.330 --> 0:29:23.610
<v Speaker 1>Sure.

0:29:24.330 --> 0:29:28.280
<v Speaker 2>Sure, but then we'll get to some other killings later

0:29:28.340 --> 0:29:31.220
<v Speaker 2>where it's like, okay, this isn't tracked. So I started

0:29:31.260 --> 0:29:33.740
<v Speaker 2>to question, okay, what is really going on with this woman?

0:29:34.570 --> 0:29:35.910
<v Speaker 1>But we'll get to that.

0:29:35.970 --> 0:29:38.510
<v Speaker 3>It also seemed like they kind of also tried to

0:29:38.550 --> 0:29:40.540
<v Speaker 3>give her a bit of an outburst. out with this

0:29:40.580 --> 0:29:44.160
<v Speaker 3>girl by saying that she only comes around whenever she's

0:29:44.220 --> 0:29:46.219
<v Speaker 3>in town. So she doesn't have a close relationship with

0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:48.860
<v Speaker 3>the dad anyway. And that she only kind of visits.

0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:49.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's true. Yeah.

0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:50.340
<v Speaker 2>That's true.

0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:51.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:29:52.370 --> 0:29:54.550
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<v Speaker 1>Well, we get to episode three and Alice.

0:30:33.940 --> 0:30:38.730
<v Speaker 2>Is given the opportunity to lead the investigation about Oliver

0:30:38.750 --> 0:30:41.150
<v Speaker 2>because she thinks that all these killers are me and Todd.

0:30:42.210 --> 0:30:44.390
<v Speaker 2>And the team learns that Adrian was seen with that

0:30:44.430 --> 0:30:50.170
<v Speaker 2>young girl. And so while learning that, we also learned

0:30:50.190 --> 0:30:53.780
<v Speaker 2>that Oliver was also at that party, a potential suspect

0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:56.090
<v Speaker 2>at that party as well. Wait, who was Oliver? That's

0:30:56.110 --> 0:30:56.830
<v Speaker 2>a little dude in the chair?

0:30:57.630 --> 0:31:01.290
<v Speaker 1>No. Oh, shit. I wasn't.

0:31:09.950 --> 0:31:12.790
<v Speaker 2>Making fun. I was just trying to be descriptive.

0:31:15.850 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 1>I didn't think about it.

0:31:16.610 --> 0:31:18.150
<v Speaker 2>It was just like natural reaction.

0:31:21.690 --> 0:31:25.540
<v Speaker 1>Oliver is the dad. The dad that just died.

0:31:27.820 --> 0:31:29.980
<v Speaker 2>The dad that just died. Why am I not... Catherine.

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:33.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Janie just killed. Oh!

0:31:33.020 --> 0:31:34.500
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah. Sorry, okay. I'm sorry.

0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:36.480
<v Speaker 1>So she learned that he was also... So Alice.

0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:38.540
<v Speaker 2>Learned that he was also a suspect at that party.

0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:39.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

0:31:40.270 --> 0:31:46.430
<v Speaker 2>Um... Kim, was it fucked up that Frank was just like, Alice,

0:31:46.450 --> 0:31:48.390
<v Speaker 2>you're wrong. This has nothing to do with sexual abuse.

0:31:49.370 --> 0:31:53.530
<v Speaker 2>It's probably because she's a sex trafficker. It's financially motivated.

0:31:54.790 --> 0:31:56.610
<v Speaker 2>She was sex trafficked and financially motivated.

0:31:57.790 --> 0:32:04.870
<v Speaker 1>Who's Frank? Frank is the FBI agent. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No,

0:32:05.450 --> 0:32:07.090
<v Speaker 1>it was. And there was a lot of.

0:32:09.110 --> 0:32:14.430
<v Speaker 3>Dialogue and messaging about how people view that space, that world,

0:32:15.150 --> 0:32:18.450
<v Speaker 3>their understanding or misunderstanding of it. So, yeah, it was

0:32:18.490 --> 0:32:20.510
<v Speaker 3>fucked up that he just kind of was brushed it off,

0:32:20.590 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 3>just kind of cast it aside. You know, and they,

0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:26.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, this is the guy I was thinking about.

0:32:26.540 --> 0:32:29.120
<v Speaker 3>They also tried to make him some sort of comedic relief, too.

0:32:30.020 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, so.

0:32:31.500 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh, yeah, they did. That was kind of annoying.

0:32:33.620 --> 0:32:36.459
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

0:32:36.580 --> 0:32:38.160
<v Speaker 3>But it was kind of messed up where he just

0:32:38.180 --> 0:32:39.750
<v Speaker 3>was like, you know, it is what it is. But

0:32:39.770 --> 0:32:41.930
<v Speaker 3>a lot of them kind of felt like a good

0:32:41.990 --> 0:32:43.030
<v Speaker 3>number of them felt that way.

0:32:46.190 --> 0:32:50.530
<v Speaker 2>Well. They tracked the suspect to a shelter she visited.

0:32:51.220 --> 0:32:53.520
<v Speaker 2>where we learn that Jenny's real identity.

0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:58.830
<v Speaker 1>Is someone named Catherine. We later learn that one of

0:32:58.850 --> 0:32:59.590
<v Speaker 1>the women, Becky.

0:32:59.990 --> 0:33:04.490
<v Speaker 2>Who basically Catherine was seducing to get different things and

0:33:04.530 --> 0:33:07.430
<v Speaker 2>have her help her with the discovery of these people,

0:33:09.470 --> 0:33:13.280
<v Speaker 2>she's been murdered by Catherine. And Alice is kind of

0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:17.620
<v Speaker 2>confused why this person was murdered. And so people believe

0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 2>that the motivations aren't aligning up and that maybe these

0:33:20.220 --> 0:33:24.830
<v Speaker 2>deaths aren't the same. So, Mike, is this one of

0:33:24.850 --> 0:33:27.340
<v Speaker 2>the deaths on why you were, like, confused? Which girl

0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:29.600
<v Speaker 2>are you talking about? So, Becky is the girl that was...

0:33:29.500 --> 0:33:32.420
<v Speaker 2>That was one from the shelter. Yeah, I didn't like this.

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:33.760
<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, you didn't like this?

0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:35.180
<v Speaker 2>I did not like that she killed her.

0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:37.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, talk to me. Because why?

0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:42.890
<v Speaker 2>Becky was a good person. From everything that we could tell, like, what.

0:33:42.770 --> 0:33:45.090
<v Speaker 1>Was bad about her? I mean, she... She gave her

0:33:45.130 --> 0:33:45.830
<v Speaker 1>drugs and stuff?

0:33:45.970 --> 0:33:48.570
<v Speaker 2>But she made her. Yeah. Alice made her.

0:33:48.630 --> 0:33:49.110
<v Speaker 1>Not Alice.

0:33:49.890 --> 0:33:52.950
<v Speaker 2>The killer girl. Catherine. Catherine. Catherine made her do that.

0:33:54.090 --> 0:33:56.250
<v Speaker 1>So I didn't. I guess there will, though. She didn't

0:33:56.270 --> 0:33:57.000
<v Speaker 1>really want to do it.

0:33:57.410 --> 0:33:58.270
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying.

0:33:58.370 --> 0:34:01.340
<v Speaker 1>Oh, yeah. So Catherine made. I'm going to say she's

0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:02.040
<v Speaker 1>bad because she cheated.

0:34:02.060 --> 0:34:02.580
<v Speaker 2>But that is.

0:34:02.620 --> 0:34:05.060
<v Speaker 1>That's not bullshit. That's what I'm saying.

0:34:05.100 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 2>It's not killer.

0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:07.400
<v Speaker 1>It's a good person. OK.

0:34:08.020 --> 0:34:08.320
<v Speaker 2>OK.

0:34:08.340 --> 0:34:10.650
<v Speaker 1>She's a she's a she's a decent person.

0:34:10.670 --> 0:34:11.430
<v Speaker 2>There you go.

0:34:11.630 --> 0:34:11.989
<v Speaker 1>She slipped.

0:34:12.010 --> 0:34:13.330
<v Speaker 2>I mean, she come in there, showed her titties.

0:34:13.350 --> 0:34:13.850
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah.

0:34:14.420 --> 0:34:15.540
<v Speaker 2>What's a motherfucking exposure?

0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:17.480
<v Speaker 1>It was, it was, it was, yeah, it was, it

0:34:17.500 --> 0:34:18.419
<v Speaker 1>was on site at that point.

0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:19.340
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying?

0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:20.259
<v Speaker 1>And then she tried to come back and say, we

0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:22.759
<v Speaker 1>can't keep doing this. Catherine was like, you sure? She's like, okay,

0:34:22.780 --> 0:34:25.799
<v Speaker 1>all right, damn, one more time. Hold up, hold up.

0:34:25.890 --> 0:34:27.210
<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact.

0:34:27.850 --> 0:34:29.350
<v Speaker 2>Plus, you already hit. How you gonna say we not

0:34:29.370 --> 0:34:31.250
<v Speaker 2>gonna do this no more? Like, you already fucked. Like,

0:34:31.270 --> 0:34:33.890
<v Speaker 2>stop it. But no, I didn't, I didn't really like

0:34:33.930 --> 0:34:35.390
<v Speaker 2>this death. I didn't really think it made a lot

0:34:35.430 --> 0:34:36.840
<v Speaker 2>of sense. Why did she kill her?

0:34:36.850 --> 0:34:38.490
<v Speaker 1>They never really explained it, did they? No.

0:34:39.530 --> 0:34:42.299
<v Speaker 3>Maybe she just got too close and she became a liability.

0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:43.719
<v Speaker 3>That's all I can think about.

0:34:43.739 --> 0:34:45.300
<v Speaker 1>I thought, Just assumed she thought she was going to

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:45.580
<v Speaker 1>tell on him.

0:34:45.700 --> 0:34:48.500
<v Speaker 2>That's what I thought, too. But that's why would she

0:34:48.540 --> 0:34:50.140
<v Speaker 2>think that about her, but not about the little girl

0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:50.760
<v Speaker 2>at the beginning?

0:34:50.780 --> 0:34:52.820
<v Speaker 1>That's a good point. Well, maybe she sympathized with the

0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:54.590
<v Speaker 1>little girl. That's what I'm saying. But the lady was

0:34:54.610 --> 0:34:58.410
<v Speaker 1>a victim also that she killed, right? I don't remember.

0:34:58.430 --> 0:35:01.250
<v Speaker 2>I thought she said that in the shelter. You have

0:35:01.270 --> 0:35:04.100
<v Speaker 2>a better memory than me, so I don't know. I

0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:07.040
<v Speaker 2>think it's more so that Becky was trying to buck, too.

0:35:08.310 --> 0:35:10.010
<v Speaker 2>I thought Becky just said, I'm not doing this anymore.

0:35:10.030 --> 0:35:11.950
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do this this last time, and that's it. Yeah,

0:35:11.969 --> 0:35:13.169
<v Speaker 2>but she came back another time.

0:35:13.190 --> 0:35:14.450
<v Speaker 1>They had an accident. She tried to put her out,

0:35:14.469 --> 0:35:14.820
<v Speaker 1>didn't she?

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:14.950
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:35:15.489 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 1>She tried to put her out first, and then she

0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:19.080
<v Speaker 1>met on the bridge, and she tried to buck again.

0:35:19.100 --> 0:35:21.460
<v Speaker 2>I think that's the second time. Yeah. So it's like

0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:23.340
<v Speaker 2>two times. Like, you buck. Like, I got to get

0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 2>you out of here. Like, I can't trust you. All right.

0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:27.299
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember the second buck, but I believe y'all.

0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Because the first time was in the shelter.

0:35:29.340 --> 0:35:29.500
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:30.110
<v Speaker 2>And then she met her.

0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:31.819
<v Speaker 1>When she met on the bridge, she's like, I can't

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:33.379
<v Speaker 1>keep doing this. Like, I'm done. I'm out.

0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:34.879
<v Speaker 2>And Catherine's like, no, you're not.

0:35:35.380 --> 0:35:37.580
<v Speaker 1>She's like, yes, I am. So then she killed her. Yeah.

0:35:38.160 --> 0:35:42.060
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this hurt Catherine's story for me. She's not a

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:44.380
<v Speaker 2>sympathetic villain anymore. She's just like, okay, that's fucked up.

0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:48.040
<v Speaker 2>Why you kill her? Did it kill her story off

0:35:48.060 --> 0:35:48.379
<v Speaker 2>for you too?

0:35:49.140 --> 0:35:50.300
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but.

0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:56.700
<v Speaker 3>It didn't really mess anything up for me, but I

0:35:56.719 --> 0:35:58.560
<v Speaker 3>just thought that it was just like, once she said, yeah,

0:35:58.620 --> 0:36:00.340
<v Speaker 3>I'm not doing this anymore, I was like, okay, yeah,

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:01.120
<v Speaker 3>that's a wrap for you.

0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:05.700
<v Speaker 1>And I think that that was it. It was just like, yeah,

0:36:05.860 --> 0:36:07.779
<v Speaker 1>you're now a liability. I got to get you out

0:36:07.820 --> 0:36:08.000
<v Speaker 1>of here.

0:36:08.969 --> 0:36:10.830
<v Speaker 2>I mean, she also teams up with her ex, Marshall,

0:36:11.510 --> 0:36:14.890
<v Speaker 2>and he talks to her about the investigation.

0:36:15.180 --> 0:36:19.180
<v Speaker 1>Did it seem like he was remorseful to you? Yeah,

0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:21.700
<v Speaker 1>but also remorseful, regretful.

0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:25.940
<v Speaker 2>He was sorry for what he had done to the chick, Allison,

0:36:26.060 --> 0:36:29.779
<v Speaker 2>but he also was mad at how it affected his career, too.

0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 2>It looked like he was just overall in a bad

0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:35.840
<v Speaker 2>place in the sense of him taking care of his son.

0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:39.240
<v Speaker 2>Then his career took a turn. He couldn't get no promotions.

0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:42.580
<v Speaker 2>He really felt shitty about what he did.

0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Danny had the son. Yeah, that's who I thought. He's

0:36:46.060 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 1>a Marshall. Yeah, Danny had the son. Marshall was her ex-boyfriend.

0:36:49.760 --> 0:36:53.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh, no. Dude a dickhead. Okay, I was about to say.

0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:57.180
<v Speaker 2>I was going to ask a question.

0:36:57.280 --> 0:36:57.700
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry.

0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:01.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking about the dude from Narcos. But no, this

0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:06.690
<v Speaker 2>dude from White Lotus. She was cute. They She was

0:37:06.710 --> 0:37:09.870
<v Speaker 2>whatever the way she had been. He always played an asshole.

0:37:09.989 --> 0:37:11.069
<v Speaker 1>Right, it's crazy.

0:37:11.150 --> 0:37:14.290
<v Speaker 2>He's never been a good guy. He just has a

0:37:14.330 --> 0:37:14.950
<v Speaker 2>face now.

0:37:15.450 --> 0:37:16.370
<v Speaker 1>He's an asshole.

0:37:16.469 --> 0:37:18.069
<v Speaker 2>He has that face. And that was the point that

0:37:18.110 --> 0:37:20.629
<v Speaker 2>I was going to. Even if he was remorseful good,

0:37:20.670 --> 0:37:22.529
<v Speaker 2>I just couldn't see him as that because of all

0:37:22.570 --> 0:37:24.790
<v Speaker 2>the previous roles that he's played. Dude's an asshole. So

0:37:24.810 --> 0:37:27.790
<v Speaker 2>you said, hold on, White Lotus, he was an asshole. Remember,

0:37:27.830 --> 0:37:32.689
<v Speaker 2>he was the husband with Shield. Alexander D'Addario. Oh, yeah.

0:37:32.850 --> 0:37:32.950
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:37:33.730 --> 0:37:34.469
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no.

0:37:34.530 --> 0:37:37.080
<v Speaker 1>No, what they said, what she said, or something like that. Yeah,

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:38.359
<v Speaker 1>he was. All her fault is what you're talking about.

0:37:38.380 --> 0:37:38.840
<v Speaker 1>All her fault, yeah.

0:37:38.860 --> 0:37:40.279
<v Speaker 2>Remember all her fault? I thought you were talking about

0:37:40.300 --> 0:37:43.050
<v Speaker 2>White Lotus. He was in White Lotus the first season.

0:37:43.290 --> 0:37:45.450
<v Speaker 2>He was the asshole there, but he was the husband

0:37:45.510 --> 0:37:49.090
<v Speaker 2>in all her fault. Alexandra Dardario in White Lotus. I

0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:53.260
<v Speaker 2>heard you. Oh, but I said that. No, no, no, no, no.

0:37:53.340 --> 0:37:54.680
<v Speaker 1>I heard him and was looking at you, so I

0:37:54.700 --> 0:37:56.140
<v Speaker 1>was answering both at the same time.

0:37:56.160 --> 0:37:58.700
<v Speaker 2>You remember the other show he played in where he

0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:01.200
<v Speaker 2>was an asshole, right? I remember looking him up on

0:38:01.340 --> 0:38:03.680
<v Speaker 2>IMDb and seeing that, but I don't remember him being

0:38:03.700 --> 0:38:06.410
<v Speaker 2>in that show. We reviewed it. I know, I know.

0:38:06.450 --> 0:38:09.190
<v Speaker 2>He was the husband. Spoiler alert for all her fault.

0:38:09.550 --> 0:38:11.890
<v Speaker 2>He basically was the one that took the baby from

0:38:11.910 --> 0:38:14.569
<v Speaker 2>an accident. Remember, he stole the fucking key.

0:38:14.590 --> 0:38:15.810
<v Speaker 1>Got it. I remember now.

0:38:16.030 --> 0:38:16.609
<v Speaker 2>I remember now.

0:38:16.710 --> 0:38:19.990
<v Speaker 1>He always is a shit of a person in every show.

0:38:20.110 --> 0:38:22.350
<v Speaker 2>He can't be a good guy. It's sad.

0:38:22.550 --> 0:38:23.180
<v Speaker 1>It's sad.

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:26.320
<v Speaker 2>And he's probably just, he's probably happy to be typecast.

0:38:26.380 --> 0:38:27.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's a good actor.

0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:29.900
<v Speaker 1>He's going to keep it working. You know, yeah.

0:38:31.460 --> 0:38:35.600
<v Speaker 2>All right. And meanwhile, Catherine, I mean, she continues living

0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:39.120
<v Speaker 2>under this identity while working as a nurse for Alden.

0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:43.620
<v Speaker 1>Who has muscular dystrophy. Dystrophy.

0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:45.480
<v Speaker 2>There we go. I had to look it up. It

0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:47.759
<v Speaker 2>doesn't say it in the show, but I had to

0:38:47.780 --> 0:38:49.339
<v Speaker 2>look it up. So y'all probably wouldn't have known that

0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:54.940
<v Speaker 2>because I didn't know what it was. She secretly collects

0:38:55.100 --> 0:38:59.770
<v Speaker 2>items from her victims, though. And she's also an adult streamer.

0:39:01.270 --> 0:39:05.190
<v Speaker 2>And she's doing all these things. Did this add anything

0:39:05.210 --> 0:39:06.410
<v Speaker 2>to her character for you, Spike?

0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it hit a.

0:39:08.060 --> 0:39:13.500
<v Speaker 2>Lot of different avenues of the abuse trail that she

0:39:13.540 --> 0:39:15.140
<v Speaker 2>was hitting on, all the different things that she did,

0:39:15.180 --> 0:39:16.799
<v Speaker 2>the steps she had taken to get to where she was.

0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:19.520
<v Speaker 2>And I thought the character of the kid that she

0:39:19.540 --> 0:39:21.680
<v Speaker 2>was taking, I thought he was interesting. He brought a

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:23.910
<v Speaker 2>spark to the show. I like his humor and stuff

0:39:23.930 --> 0:39:24.590
<v Speaker 2>like that.

0:39:24.630 --> 0:39:29.370
<v Speaker 1>Kid? Man, you're right. I don't think he was a kid.

0:39:29.390 --> 0:39:31.450
<v Speaker 2>You're right. Which guy are y'all talking about now?

0:39:31.489 --> 0:39:33.430
<v Speaker 1>In the wheelchair.

0:39:33.489 --> 0:39:34.180
<v Speaker 2>I thought he was a kid.

0:39:34.219 --> 0:39:36.340
<v Speaker 1>I thought he was a kid. There's no kid. How

0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:37.200
<v Speaker 1>old is he?

0:39:37.780 --> 0:39:38.459
<v Speaker 2>You don't even know.

0:39:38.880 --> 0:39:42.719
<v Speaker 1>Right. How old is that motherfucker? I would say 19, 20. Shit.

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:44.590
<v Speaker 1>I thought he was like 15.

0:39:44.590 --> 0:39:45.220
<v Speaker 2>Oh, really?

0:39:45.510 --> 0:39:48.090
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So you thought that was adding to the pattern

0:39:48.120 --> 0:39:48.710
<v Speaker 1>of abuse too?

0:39:49.130 --> 0:39:51.069
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was, but maybe y'all are right and

0:39:51.090 --> 0:39:53.870
<v Speaker 2>he's an adult. I didn't catch that he was an adult.

0:39:54.090 --> 0:39:56.170
<v Speaker 1>I thought he was like maybe 19, 20 years old.

0:39:56.630 --> 0:39:57.529
<v Speaker 2>How old do you think he is?

0:39:57.550 --> 0:39:59.969
<v Speaker 1>Like 30? He had that old face. He looked like

0:39:59.989 --> 0:40:01.250
<v Speaker 1>he about... He.

0:40:00.989 --> 0:40:01.890
<v Speaker 2>Sounded like a kid.

0:40:02.830 --> 0:40:05.390
<v Speaker 1>Huh? He sounded. Y'all don't stop. That's only because of.

0:40:05.410 --> 0:40:05.489
<v Speaker 4>Stop.

0:40:05.670 --> 0:40:10.569
<v Speaker 2>You know how sound works, Spike? Jesus Christ, man.

0:40:10.590 --> 0:40:11.410
<v Speaker 1>That's not... No.

0:40:11.510 --> 0:40:13.189
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can't judge him by his voice at all.

0:40:13.910 --> 0:40:19.270
<v Speaker 1>At all. He was a good actor. He was a

0:40:19.270 --> 0:40:22.650
<v Speaker 1>good actor. He was intriguing. He had... He had to

0:40:22.710 --> 0:40:25.549
<v Speaker 1>do much. He had good timing with his jokes. He did. Oh,

0:40:25.570 --> 0:40:25.790
<v Speaker 1>he did.

0:40:25.830 --> 0:40:29.570
<v Speaker 2>That's right. With the wheelchair and all that. The way

0:40:29.590 --> 0:40:31.150
<v Speaker 2>he was fucking with the other cop.

0:40:31.170 --> 0:40:35.180
<v Speaker 1>Hey, so... I guess... You want to tell him? I

0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:36.759
<v Speaker 1>didn't really think about his age too much. I just.

0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I didn't really think about his age too much.

0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:43.580
<v Speaker 1>But also, Catherine.

0:40:45.060 --> 0:40:47.430
<v Speaker 2>Reveals that she has this connection to this other young

0:40:47.469 --> 0:40:51.569
<v Speaker 2>girl who she's looking to. She goes and finds out

0:40:51.630 --> 0:40:53.330
<v Speaker 2>that she basically has gone back to the family. Did

0:40:53.350 --> 0:40:55.290
<v Speaker 2>we see her earlier? Or did they just go? No,

0:40:55.310 --> 0:40:58.759
<v Speaker 2>this is our first introduction. But they're conversing about this

0:40:58.800 --> 0:40:59.600
<v Speaker 2>person named Isabel.

0:41:01.219 --> 0:41:02.560
<v Speaker 1>Which is that girl's older sister, right?

0:41:02.739 --> 0:41:02.859
<v Speaker 2>Mm-hmm.

0:41:03.530 --> 0:41:05.610
<v Speaker 1>Is it her older sister? She was supposed to save,

0:41:05.690 --> 0:41:08.109
<v Speaker 1>I thought. At the time, yes. That was what they

0:41:08.150 --> 0:41:08.430
<v Speaker 1>told us.

0:41:08.450 --> 0:41:09.590
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what they told us.

0:41:09.630 --> 0:41:11.430
<v Speaker 1>The little girl was not her daughter.

0:41:11.450 --> 0:41:12.200
<v Speaker 2>It was her sister.

0:41:12.260 --> 0:41:13.420
<v Speaker 1>That's what y'all are saying, right?

0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:14.260
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:15.439
<v Speaker 1>Yes. At this time.

0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:18.680
<v Speaker 2>At this point. I mean, at this point. I thought

0:41:18.700 --> 0:41:22.320
<v Speaker 2>that was even at the end. I thought that's what happened. Yeah.

0:41:24.260 --> 0:41:28.710
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was supposed to be a sister. Yeah. This

0:41:28.770 --> 0:41:29.790
<v Speaker 1>is Isabelle's sister.

0:41:30.530 --> 0:41:31.920
<v Speaker 2>But in reality, it was her mother.

0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:33.420
<v Speaker 1>Yes. I'm about to say.

0:41:33.460 --> 0:41:35.120
<v Speaker 2>I thought you were saying the opposite.

0:41:35.160 --> 0:41:36.520
<v Speaker 1>I thought I was tripping. Okay, cool.

0:41:36.660 --> 0:41:43.410
<v Speaker 2>All right. But at this moment, did this bring you

0:41:43.450 --> 0:41:45.490
<v Speaker 2>back in for Catherine at all because she was trying

0:41:45.510 --> 0:41:48.270
<v Speaker 2>to take this person out of this lifestyle? No, because

0:41:48.290 --> 0:41:49.790
<v Speaker 2>I was like, why don't you kill big man? I

0:41:49.810 --> 0:41:52.450
<v Speaker 2>don't understand what the fuck's up with this chick, this woman. Sorry.

0:41:52.950 --> 0:41:56.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't get it. You killed Becky for no real reason.

0:41:57.340 --> 0:42:01.020
<v Speaker 2>But you haven't killed big man who is physically beating

0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:03.890
<v Speaker 2>the shit out of this girl. So I don't get it.

0:42:05.590 --> 0:42:07.750
<v Speaker 2>This was very confusing for me. I think I.

0:42:07.750 --> 0:42:09.830
<v Speaker 1>Understand the reason for not killing him immediately.

0:42:10.150 --> 0:42:12.890
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it was. She never killed him. Yeah, you're right

0:42:12.950 --> 0:42:15.270
<v Speaker 2>for the ever. But I think immediately I understand it

0:42:15.350 --> 0:42:17.089
<v Speaker 2>as far as like in that moment there was no

0:42:17.130 --> 0:42:19.160
<v Speaker 2>way for it. Based on the way she was killing

0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:22.739
<v Speaker 2>so far in the show, it was more premeditated. And

0:42:22.780 --> 0:42:25.850
<v Speaker 2>that would have been. She didn't have the upper hand

0:42:25.870 --> 0:42:27.870
<v Speaker 2>in that moment. Yeah, I'm not saying when she was

0:42:27.910 --> 0:42:29.670
<v Speaker 2>under the bed. I'm not saying she should have killed

0:42:29.690 --> 0:42:32.480
<v Speaker 2>him right then because how? That guy was... We assume

0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:34.259
<v Speaker 2>he was big. We never really saw him. It was

0:42:34.300 --> 0:42:37.940
<v Speaker 2>like in those Tweety Bird cartoons you see the mama's

0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:41.650
<v Speaker 2>big old ankle feeling through their face. But... I'm saying

0:42:41.710 --> 0:42:44.330
<v Speaker 2>she at no point even came back to that.

0:42:44.870 --> 0:42:45.810
<v Speaker 1>So it was just weird.

0:42:46.130 --> 0:42:49.180
<v Speaker 2>This guy is the epitome of an abuser, and he's

0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:52.959
<v Speaker 2>pimping out your friend's daughter. But wouldn't, isn't it harder to,

0:42:53.620 --> 0:42:56.120
<v Speaker 2>as a person who's gone through abuse, wouldn't it be

0:42:56.160 --> 0:43:01.950
<v Speaker 2>harder to, I'm asking the question because I'm out of ignorance.

0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:08.150
<v Speaker 2>If this person is actively accepting to go through abuse

0:43:08.510 --> 0:43:11.110
<v Speaker 2>with this person, If I take this person, if I

0:43:11.150 --> 0:43:13.509
<v Speaker 2>take that person out, this person does resent me in

0:43:13.530 --> 0:43:17.290
<v Speaker 2>a certain way. She ain't got no idea. But that's

0:43:17.310 --> 0:43:19.210
<v Speaker 2>not the way, well, I guess. She ain't got no idea.

0:43:19.250 --> 0:43:20.879
<v Speaker 2>All she got, because she doesn't know she's killing those

0:43:20.910 --> 0:43:22.700
<v Speaker 2>other dudes. Yeah, she doesn't. She doesn't.

0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:23.899
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:43:23.920 --> 0:43:24.819
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this was weird to me.

0:43:24.920 --> 0:43:25.620
<v Speaker 1>I guess, I don't know.

0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:29.980
<v Speaker 2>I think as a person who, I mean, I'm talking

0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:32.820
<v Speaker 2>about it out loud. If you're going through abuse and

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:34.850
<v Speaker 2>you're watching somebody else go through it, you recognize there

0:43:34.890 --> 0:43:37.319
<v Speaker 2>is a piece of it that you have to get. Like,

0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:39.060
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to give you the tools, but you also

0:43:39.100 --> 0:43:40.880
<v Speaker 2>have to use them in order to really get out

0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:44.739
<v Speaker 2>of that cycle of abuse. Sure, but I'm there for you.

0:43:45.300 --> 0:43:50.640
<v Speaker 2>So if I kill this guy, that removes that weird

0:43:50.700 --> 0:43:53.779
<v Speaker 2>attachment that you have to him. And then I can

0:43:53.820 --> 0:43:55.839
<v Speaker 2>be there for you to take you out of that

0:43:55.920 --> 0:44:00.029
<v Speaker 2>and help you. So maybe if they ironed out and

0:44:00.450 --> 0:44:03.290
<v Speaker 2>they said out loud that she still... Remember what they

0:44:03.330 --> 0:44:06.700
<v Speaker 2>said earlier, that she didn't feel comfortable being the guardian

0:44:06.860 --> 0:44:09.840
<v Speaker 2>for her, which is why she didn't keep her around

0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:10.300
<v Speaker 2>or whatever.

0:44:10.320 --> 0:44:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:13.270
<v Speaker 2>If they kept with that, I would have accepted it.

0:44:13.700 --> 0:44:15.839
<v Speaker 2>But they didn't. They just didn't even bring up the

0:44:15.900 --> 0:44:18.200
<v Speaker 2>idea that she ever even thought, I should kill this guy.

0:44:18.420 --> 0:44:20.130
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm also struggling, and I think this is

0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:22.910
<v Speaker 2>why I enjoy the show, because it helps me dissect

0:44:22.950 --> 0:44:29.200
<v Speaker 2>how I still learn about abuse. Is even with Alice, like, yes,

0:44:29.219 --> 0:44:30.980
<v Speaker 2>she was taken out of that piece of abuse, but

0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:32.759
<v Speaker 2>there was still some attachment to the. Oh, yeah. She

0:44:32.780 --> 0:44:33.339
<v Speaker 2>still loved him.

0:44:33.420 --> 0:44:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And like there's still an attachment there.

0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:37.690
<v Speaker 2>So even if you took this person out of that,

0:44:37.930 --> 0:44:39.090
<v Speaker 2>you took this man out.

0:44:40.489 --> 0:44:42.210
<v Speaker 1>Because you're so conditioned to it.

0:44:42.510 --> 0:44:44.410
<v Speaker 2>She'll probably still find a way back to it as

0:44:44.469 --> 0:44:46.529
<v Speaker 2>compared to actually helping her get the tools to get

0:44:46.650 --> 0:44:50.020
<v Speaker 2>out of it. Not necessarily, because remember, she said she's like,

0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:52.080
<v Speaker 2>you went back and she's like, yeah, I love him.

0:44:53.440 --> 0:44:56.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about the... What was her name? Isabel, the girl?

0:44:56.219 --> 0:44:59.000
<v Speaker 2>The daughter or whatever? She said, yeah, I went back

0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:01.799
<v Speaker 2>because I love him. She didn't say or imply I

0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:04.580
<v Speaker 2>love this life. You know what I'm saying? So if

0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:09.780
<v Speaker 2>she removed that from the situation, then things... And also,

0:45:09.900 --> 0:45:11.140
<v Speaker 2>it's not like....

0:45:12.900 --> 0:45:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Catherine was her name? Yeah.

0:45:14.460 --> 0:45:18.090
<v Speaker 2>It's not like she thinks her moves through all the way,

0:45:18.430 --> 0:45:20.430
<v Speaker 2>all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it seems like

0:45:20.489 --> 0:45:23.759
<v Speaker 2>she would have impulsively been like, Because, like, yo, she's

0:45:23.860 --> 0:45:28.120
<v Speaker 2>killing all of these guys that caused her friend's death,

0:45:28.910 --> 0:45:32.110
<v Speaker 2>but she's just not going to kill the pimp that's

0:45:32.530 --> 0:45:34.570
<v Speaker 2>harming the daughter? It was like, well, you got to

0:45:34.590 --> 0:45:37.830
<v Speaker 2>explain this. Yeah, and no, she's kind of on a

0:45:37.870 --> 0:45:39.690
<v Speaker 2>clock a little bit because she set herself up by

0:45:39.730 --> 0:45:44.380
<v Speaker 2>giving the photo to the daughter to give to Alice. Okay.

0:45:44.540 --> 0:45:46.380
<v Speaker 2>So she already knows that eventually the police are going

0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:47.800
<v Speaker 2>to catch up to me because I'm giving them hints

0:45:47.880 --> 0:45:50.430
<v Speaker 2>about what I'm doing. I don't know if she thought

0:45:50.450 --> 0:45:52.100
<v Speaker 2>she was going to get caught. Because she was the

0:45:52.180 --> 0:45:56.340
<v Speaker 2>only one with her face turned away. And even if

0:45:56.420 --> 0:45:58.779
<v Speaker 2>somebody said, oh, that's so-and-so, how are they going to

0:45:58.860 --> 0:46:02.360
<v Speaker 2>find her? I don't know. It's not a humongous deal.

0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:04.219
<v Speaker 2>It was just, it didn't make any sense to me.

0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:14.460
<v Speaker 2>But I probably missed something. Well, like I said, she

0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:16.420
<v Speaker 2>ends up getting the photograph to.

0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:21.200
<v Speaker 2>The photograph thing, and they identify that Isabel was a

0:46:21.260 --> 0:46:24.160
<v Speaker 2>former foster child and was connected to Catherine.

0:46:24.980 --> 0:46:26.339
<v Speaker 1>So we go to episode four.

0:46:26.360 --> 0:46:30.210
<v Speaker 2>Let's speed through this a little bit more. After the

0:46:30.270 --> 0:46:35.390
<v Speaker 2>interaction with Marshall and his mom, what did y'all think? Overall,

0:46:35.410 --> 0:46:37.650
<v Speaker 2>what did y'all think of this interaction in general?

0:46:37.670 --> 0:46:42.230
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't. She said, yeah, your ass didn't learn shit.

0:46:43.010 --> 0:46:45.510
<v Speaker 1>I was like, what the? Where is this going?

0:46:45.530 --> 0:46:45.610
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:46:46.030 --> 0:46:47.770
<v Speaker 3>And she was like, yeah, you got to apologize. You

0:46:47.790 --> 0:46:50.350
<v Speaker 3>need to take that statement back. I was like, yo,

0:46:50.989 --> 0:46:56.580
<v Speaker 3>what the fuck? And she set that up so well, too, bro.

0:46:56.620 --> 0:46:58.719
<v Speaker 3>She slow-walked me into it.

0:46:59.440 --> 0:47:02.080
<v Speaker 1>I was like, yo, that's crazy. She said, you're ruining

0:47:02.100 --> 0:47:03.360
<v Speaker 1>my son's life.

0:47:04.400 --> 0:47:05.380
<v Speaker 2>What do you think they're trying to.

0:47:07.570 --> 0:47:12.750
<v Speaker 1>Say here? What, enablers? Yeah. She probably know her son

0:47:12.830 --> 0:47:14.549
<v Speaker 1>is fucked up and shit like that, but.

0:47:14.510 --> 0:47:15.270
<v Speaker 2>She ain't gonna fuck.

0:47:16.140 --> 0:47:17.410
<v Speaker 1>Huh? I said, oh, yeah.

0:47:17.530 --> 0:47:19.430
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she don't give a fuck. She just knows her

0:47:19.450 --> 0:47:22.990
<v Speaker 3>son can't get a promotion. I brought you into my house,

0:47:23.150 --> 0:47:25.290
<v Speaker 3>and I saved you from a situation that this is

0:47:25.350 --> 0:47:26.210
<v Speaker 3>how you repay me?

0:47:26.310 --> 0:47:27.090
<v Speaker 2>That's what she's thinking.

0:47:27.190 --> 0:47:30.969
<v Speaker 1>Yep. Like, come on now. Hey, favor for a favor.

0:47:31.010 --> 0:47:31.860
<v Speaker 1>You need to fix this.

0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:35.660
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to knock her ass over. Pushed her right

0:47:35.739 --> 0:47:37.200
<v Speaker 2>out of the chair. I do want to knock her

0:47:37.260 --> 0:47:38.920
<v Speaker 2>ass over and be like, now you figure this shit out.

0:47:38.940 --> 0:47:39.660
<v Speaker 2>Figure that out.

0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:44.920
<v Speaker 1>Figure out how to get up. So was Alice, she

0:47:44.940 --> 0:47:47.000
<v Speaker 1>was on her right to pull a gun out on her? Oh,

0:47:47.060 --> 0:47:50.819
<v Speaker 1>hell yeah. Hell yeah. She put a strap on that motherfucker, bro.

0:47:50.860 --> 0:47:53.239
<v Speaker 1>He backed all the way up.

0:47:53.440 --> 0:47:55.420
<v Speaker 2>I ain't even about to talk about it. I don't

0:47:55.440 --> 0:47:56.759
<v Speaker 2>even know why you walking up on me.

0:47:56.800 --> 0:47:58.740
<v Speaker 1>Is there a problem here?

0:47:58.820 --> 0:48:00.439
<v Speaker 2>Is there a problem here?

0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:03.700
<v Speaker 1>I can hear you from right there. Yeah, I like

0:48:03.719 --> 0:48:04.509
<v Speaker 1>that scene a lot.

0:48:05.510 --> 0:48:07.570
<v Speaker 2>This is where we learn because Alice reaches out to Danny,

0:48:08.290 --> 0:48:11.490
<v Speaker 2>but he's not answering because he's attending to his child

0:48:12.250 --> 0:48:14.230
<v Speaker 2>at the moment and also dealing with his own divorce.

0:48:14.980 --> 0:48:17.100
<v Speaker 1>At a care facility. I was confused about this.

0:48:17.120 --> 0:48:20.380
<v Speaker 2>They just do this. Who the fuck is this dude?

0:48:20.480 --> 0:48:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they just do this.

0:48:21.460 --> 0:48:24.879
<v Speaker 2>This is like four episodes in. Well, he said something

0:48:24.900 --> 0:48:27.219
<v Speaker 2>about it later that they tried to tie.

0:48:26.920 --> 0:48:31.690
<v Speaker 1>It in too. I mean, this is getting a season two. Oh,

0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:32.109
<v Speaker 1>it is?

0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. That's interesting.

0:48:34.010 --> 0:48:34.859
<v Speaker 1>I'm cool on that.

0:48:35.110 --> 0:48:36.330
<v Speaker 2>I don't think this needs a season two.

0:48:36.410 --> 0:48:39.989
<v Speaker 1>Me neither. Yeah, this should have been one done.

0:48:40.989 --> 0:48:44.940
<v Speaker 2>But Alice and Nora are searching for Isabelle. believing that

0:48:44.980 --> 0:48:50.399
<v Speaker 2>Catherine may be targeting Jay Easton next. Alice learns that

0:48:50.980 --> 0:48:54.549
<v Speaker 2>Nora has been hiding, basically, information. Did this change your

0:48:54.590 --> 0:48:56.950
<v Speaker 2>view on Nora at all, that she's hiding shit at

0:48:56.969 --> 0:48:59.990
<v Speaker 2>that moment?

0:49:00.330 --> 0:49:02.410
<v Speaker 3>She's a smart person. I don't know what she figured

0:49:02.450 --> 0:49:05.610
<v Speaker 3>out when she was looking through the clothes. And, yeah,

0:49:05.690 --> 0:49:10.500
<v Speaker 3>I was like, wait a minute. Was she involved with

0:49:10.860 --> 0:49:16.920
<v Speaker 3>this thing this whole time? And was she playing Alice

0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:20.319
<v Speaker 3>this whole time? So I was like, yo, this. this

0:49:20.400 --> 0:49:22.399
<v Speaker 3>is getting a little wild here.

0:49:23.480 --> 0:49:24.300
<v Speaker 1>Same.

0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:27.400
<v Speaker 2>It made me way more intrigued about her character and

0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:29.180
<v Speaker 2>her role and what was going on.

0:49:29.489 --> 0:49:31.709
<v Speaker 1>Because she shut that whole shit down. She did.

0:49:32.390 --> 0:49:35.790
<v Speaker 2>You don't ask me questions. Took her off the case.

0:49:36.130 --> 0:49:39.299
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yep, you up off of that. Well, Catherine

0:49:39.340 --> 0:49:41.969
<v Speaker 2>is also on her revenge campaign posing as Marta. And

0:49:41.989 --> 0:49:43.690
<v Speaker 2>so she ends up, you know, finding a mark in

0:49:43.710 --> 0:49:46.190
<v Speaker 2>the sun. You know what I'm saying? And ends up

0:49:46.230 --> 0:49:48.930
<v Speaker 2>getting in the house that way. Like, that nigga a sucker.

0:49:49.870 --> 0:49:50.310
<v Speaker 1>That nigga.

0:49:50.330 --> 0:49:53.020
<v Speaker 2>And he about to marry her. All for one night.

0:49:54.640 --> 0:49:55.680
<v Speaker 2>All for one night.

0:49:56.180 --> 0:50:00.280
<v Speaker 1>He said, can you leave before my parents wake up?

0:50:00.820 --> 0:50:03.980
<v Speaker 2>That part was pissing me off. Y'all don't kick this

0:50:04.020 --> 0:50:05.200
<v Speaker 2>girl out your house.

0:50:05.340 --> 0:50:06.110
<v Speaker 1>Man, bro.

0:50:07.469 --> 0:50:09.810
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I did like the part of like she

0:50:09.850 --> 0:50:11.529
<v Speaker 2>was playing a role and then she was trying to

0:50:11.550 --> 0:50:11.940
<v Speaker 2>play the role.

0:50:11.960 --> 0:50:14.520
<v Speaker 1>But when he called a slut, she was like, that's it.

0:50:14.620 --> 0:50:18.300
<v Speaker 2>It was weird, though. But dudes watch too much porn.

0:50:18.700 --> 0:50:19.280
<v Speaker 1>This is true.

0:50:19.320 --> 0:50:20.540
<v Speaker 2>To think that that's.

0:50:21.239 --> 0:50:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Anybody wants that.

0:50:22.200 --> 0:50:22.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:24.359
<v Speaker 1>He was like, yeah.

0:50:24.410 --> 0:50:26.280
<v Speaker 2>After y'all just got done talking about choking both of us.

0:50:26.310 --> 0:50:28.350
<v Speaker 1>He said it's the only way. But it's.

0:50:29.930 --> 0:50:33.490
<v Speaker 2>As I've just. I'll say this out loud. As I matured,

0:50:33.530 --> 0:50:35.770
<v Speaker 2>you learned. Because you're not taught young to have true

0:50:35.810 --> 0:50:36.870
<v Speaker 2>conversations about sex.

0:50:37.150 --> 0:50:37.549
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure.

0:50:37.570 --> 0:50:39.870
<v Speaker 2>You get older, you realize, oh, let's talk about how

0:50:39.910 --> 0:50:43.620
<v Speaker 2>you enjoy having sex. So this nigga on the first night,

0:50:43.680 --> 0:50:46.759
<v Speaker 2>you doing all that? Bro, you wildin'. On the first night?

0:50:46.780 --> 0:50:49.620
<v Speaker 2>He might be used to that type of, you know,

0:50:49.780 --> 0:50:51.899
<v Speaker 2>acceptance because he's rich.

0:50:52.060 --> 0:50:52.620
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he got money.

0:50:52.660 --> 0:50:55.150
<v Speaker 2>He probably does do that to women, and most of

0:50:55.170 --> 0:50:56.670
<v Speaker 2>the time the women are fine with it. Or not

0:50:56.690 --> 0:50:58.610
<v Speaker 2>fine with it, but they don't say shit.

0:50:58.630 --> 0:51:03.819
<v Speaker 1>She was like, nah, but can you hold me? He

0:51:03.840 --> 0:51:05.660
<v Speaker 1>was sick.

0:51:05.700 --> 0:51:08.359
<v Speaker 2>Y'all were assholes, man. He was sick, bro.

0:51:08.820 --> 0:51:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Because he had just said, he said, that's the only

0:51:11.020 --> 0:51:13.230
<v Speaker 1>way I can go. Bitch, you were like, I don't

0:51:13.250 --> 0:51:14.609
<v Speaker 1>like it. Just hold me.

0:51:15.230 --> 0:51:18.390
<v Speaker 5>No, I'm not laughing at her. I'm laughing at him

0:51:18.410 --> 0:51:21.430
<v Speaker 5>because he fucked up the whole thing. You didn't have

0:51:21.450 --> 0:51:24.540
<v Speaker 5>to do all that, bro. You had your opportunity. You

0:51:24.560 --> 0:51:26.560
<v Speaker 5>just had to do the bit. Like, you doing extra

0:51:26.600 --> 0:51:27.660
<v Speaker 5>shit on the first night.

0:51:27.700 --> 0:51:28.100
<v Speaker 2>You went too hard.

0:51:28.140 --> 0:51:31.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you went too hard, bro. Shit. He should have just...

0:51:31.460 --> 0:51:32.470
<v Speaker 1>One spike said I didn't need it.

0:51:32.540 --> 0:51:33.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm not repeating that.

0:51:35.040 --> 0:51:37.100
<v Speaker 1>He should have just went ahead and just kicked her out, bro.

0:51:37.160 --> 0:51:39.160
<v Speaker 1>It's a wrap. See, I didn't say all that.

0:51:39.180 --> 0:51:41.089
<v Speaker 2>That's what I thought they were saying.

0:51:41.160 --> 0:51:43.129
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm not saying... It's time for you to go.

0:51:43.350 --> 0:51:45.170
<v Speaker 2>I'm more saying that, nigga, you just fucked up the

0:51:45.190 --> 0:51:47.250
<v Speaker 2>whole play because you being extra.

0:51:47.290 --> 0:51:50.149
<v Speaker 1>Like you said, niggas watch too much porn. That's too much.

0:51:50.170 --> 0:51:52.210
<v Speaker 2>That is too much. Not every girl likes to be

0:51:52.250 --> 0:51:54.489
<v Speaker 2>called a slut while you're having sex with her. No.

0:51:54.910 --> 0:51:57.000
<v Speaker 1>I definitely would have kicked her out. There's a cop...

0:51:56.989 --> 0:52:02.379
<v Speaker 1>You gotta go. There's no... about that time reference.

0:52:01.300 --> 0:52:05.080
<v Speaker 3>You don't have to wait till the morning your.

0:52:06.280 --> 0:52:11.359
<v Speaker 2>Uber will be here in nine minutes i would not

0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:12.859
<v Speaker 2>have kicked her out no i would have done exactly

0:52:12.900 --> 0:52:14.860
<v Speaker 2>what he did but i would have never did the

0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:16.840
<v Speaker 2>slut part is my my man right i would have

0:52:16.860 --> 0:52:17.480
<v Speaker 2>never been.

0:52:17.580 --> 0:52:20.340
<v Speaker 3>Yeah but if i did and i ruined the mood

0:52:20.480 --> 0:52:22.500
<v Speaker 3>and she's sitting here saying can you hold me for

0:52:22.520 --> 0:52:24.489
<v Speaker 3>the rest of the night Nah.

0:52:24.790 --> 0:52:27.140
<v Speaker 2>She didn't say the rest of the night. She just said, homie,

0:52:27.390 --> 0:52:29.459
<v Speaker 2>she might have got something started again. Then you learned

0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:31.759
<v Speaker 2>your lesson. Don't call her a slut. You might have

0:52:31.780 --> 0:52:34.600
<v Speaker 2>been able to finish. Because she was clearly there for sex.

0:52:35.280 --> 0:52:37.489
<v Speaker 2>It's not like she was there to hang out and

0:52:37.510 --> 0:52:40.089
<v Speaker 2>be friends and watch TV. So he might have been

0:52:40.170 --> 0:52:44.410
<v Speaker 2>able to finish if he apologized. did what she asked,

0:52:44.750 --> 0:52:46.609
<v Speaker 2>and then, you know, treated her like a normal person.

0:52:46.630 --> 0:52:48.930
<v Speaker 1>It looked like they were in the same position when.

0:52:48.630 --> 0:52:51.049
<v Speaker 3>That scene came back.

0:52:51.110 --> 0:52:53.730
<v Speaker 2>Man, Mike, niggas get on these microphones and they ain't

0:52:53.770 --> 0:52:58.350
<v Speaker 2>never fucked up. I know. I didn't know I ain't

0:52:58.370 --> 0:53:00.029
<v Speaker 2>play like that, but damn, there have been times I

0:53:00.050 --> 0:53:00.989
<v Speaker 2>done fucked up and be like, all right, well, I

0:53:00.989 --> 0:53:02.190
<v Speaker 2>got to sit in this shit. Oh, I ain't never

0:53:02.270 --> 0:53:04.299
<v Speaker 2>fucked up during sex and be like, oh, no, we

0:53:04.340 --> 0:53:07.000
<v Speaker 2>got to stop. I ain't never done no shit like that. No,

0:53:07.160 --> 0:53:10.669
<v Speaker 2>I've definitely had conversations where it's like, oh. I thought

0:53:10.850 --> 0:53:12.180
<v Speaker 2>we were here, like we were talking about it, and

0:53:12.200 --> 0:53:14.399
<v Speaker 2>she was like, I ain't really in the mood for that.

0:53:14.440 --> 0:53:16.160
<v Speaker 1>Like, all right, well, cool, then let's kick it.

0:53:16.219 --> 0:53:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Like, my whole, I just want to say my expectations

0:53:18.460 --> 0:53:19.719
<v Speaker 2>is like, all right, well, shit, I got to, like,

0:53:19.739 --> 0:53:21.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to sit here and enjoy your company now.

0:53:21.200 --> 0:53:21.980
<v Speaker 2>This is what it is.

0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:25.430
<v Speaker 1>Like, I ain't going to kick them out for that. Oh,

0:53:25.730 --> 0:53:27.489
<v Speaker 1>hold on. So you ain't going to kick? All right.

0:53:27.670 --> 0:53:28.230
<v Speaker 1>All right.

0:53:28.310 --> 0:53:28.590
<v Speaker 2>Whatever.

0:53:28.630 --> 0:53:30.230
<v Speaker 1>These mics are rolling, Mike.

0:53:30.410 --> 0:53:31.029
<v Speaker 2>Listen.

0:53:31.110 --> 0:53:31.650
<v Speaker 1>Listen.

0:53:31.670 --> 0:53:32.410
<v Speaker 2>You ain't have to.

0:53:32.530 --> 0:53:32.770
<v Speaker 1>Listen.

0:53:32.810 --> 0:53:36.850
<v Speaker 2>Remember I told y'all earlier, being silent is taking a side.

0:53:38.210 --> 0:53:39.650
<v Speaker 2>You just took a side.

0:53:39.690 --> 0:53:42.830
<v Speaker 1>I'm listening to y'all talk. I love these conversations.

0:53:42.850 --> 0:53:47.779
<v Speaker 2>Ken Sheeran, you just took a side. I ain't going

0:53:47.800 --> 0:53:49.070
<v Speaker 2>there for.

0:53:50.070 --> 0:53:52.279
<v Speaker 1>You. Oh, God. That's funny.

0:53:53.380 --> 0:54:03.330
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right. So she eventually kidnaps the dad. Did this

0:54:04.750 --> 0:54:08.009
<v Speaker 2>begin to... Well, Mike already thinks she's erratic. Did this

0:54:08.130 --> 0:54:11.450
<v Speaker 2>become erratic for you or did you already know the

0:54:11.469 --> 0:54:14.700
<v Speaker 2>trainer she's erratic? Yeah, at this point she was spiraling

0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:16.879
<v Speaker 2>to me. She was wild and I'm like, alright, she

0:54:16.900 --> 0:54:19.640
<v Speaker 2>just lost the whole plot of what's going on and

0:54:19.680 --> 0:54:21.440
<v Speaker 2>she don't even know what she's doing. But I think

0:54:21.460 --> 0:54:26.470
<v Speaker 2>the show's tone... swayed into that as well. It went

0:54:26.530 --> 0:54:29.109
<v Speaker 2>from what they were doing in the beginning to, okay,

0:54:29.140 --> 0:54:33.620
<v Speaker 2>we're completely, we off the rails now. So, it wasn't bad. Well,

0:54:34.300 --> 0:54:40.240
<v Speaker 2>she ends up taking him back to Alden House where

0:54:40.860 --> 0:54:45.359
<v Speaker 2>he's there waiting for a proposal. And she accepts. You know,

0:54:45.380 --> 0:54:48.060
<v Speaker 2>like this, I was seriously like, what the fuck do

0:54:48.080 --> 0:54:51.980
<v Speaker 2>y'all have me watching? What is this?

0:54:52.100 --> 0:54:58.230
<v Speaker 3>Mike, she, it, My takeaway was that she's extremely committed.

0:54:59.370 --> 0:55:00.930
<v Speaker 1>To her mission.

0:55:01.550 --> 0:55:04.370
<v Speaker 2>Oh, so she didn't really want to marry homeboy?

0:55:04.390 --> 0:55:05.210
<v Speaker 1>Hell no.

0:55:05.450 --> 0:55:06.149
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't tell.

0:55:06.170 --> 0:55:06.629
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:55:07.870 --> 0:55:09.069
<v Speaker 2>I really couldn't tell. I don't know.

0:55:10.230 --> 0:55:10.710
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:55:10.770 --> 0:55:14.870
<v Speaker 2>Wasn't he rich? No. I don't think he was rich.

0:55:14.910 --> 0:55:20.660
<v Speaker 1>I think she was using him. Because everything was starting

0:55:20.680 --> 0:55:21.299
<v Speaker 1>to close in on her?

0:55:21.580 --> 0:55:26.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it gave her access to a house, a van.

0:55:26.300 --> 0:55:29.400
<v Speaker 3>She used this van, a room. It was a way

0:55:29.420 --> 0:55:32.400
<v Speaker 3>for her to kind of mask her identity as this nurse, whatever, whatever.

0:55:33.340 --> 0:55:36.219
<v Speaker 3>And I think she just, it just went too far.

0:55:36.500 --> 0:55:38.660
<v Speaker 3>And it kind of got away from her, and he

0:55:38.700 --> 0:55:41.140
<v Speaker 3>fell in love with her. Because she was sitting there

0:55:41.160 --> 0:55:43.550
<v Speaker 3>showing the breasts and shit like that, and this bubba

0:55:43.570 --> 0:55:44.640
<v Speaker 3>was like, yeah, I'm in love with you.

0:55:45.070 --> 0:55:48.110
<v Speaker 1>That'll do it. And it was like.

0:55:48.130 --> 0:55:51.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I had the same question, Spike. I really had

0:55:51.340 --> 0:55:52.100
<v Speaker 2>the same question.

0:55:52.219 --> 0:55:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Will you marry me?

0:55:53.540 --> 0:55:55.969
<v Speaker 2>What's the point?

0:55:56.230 --> 0:55:58.690
<v Speaker 1>I just want to let you know, I got fellas

0:55:58.710 --> 0:55:58.989
<v Speaker 1>for you.

0:56:01.130 --> 0:56:02.430
<v Speaker 2>They did something sexual.

0:56:02.550 --> 0:56:05.719
<v Speaker 1>What? No, they didn't. All she did was rub his hand.

0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:08.580
<v Speaker 1>She pulled something out.

0:56:08.640 --> 0:56:12.480
<v Speaker 2>I didn't see her pull out shit. And certainly didn't

0:56:12.500 --> 0:56:15.739
<v Speaker 2>pull out a dick. I thought she gave him a

0:56:15.800 --> 0:56:16.810
<v Speaker 2>shot or something and.

0:56:17.730 --> 0:56:21.169
<v Speaker 1>They did, but maybe I'm wrong. She was hand massages, bro.

0:56:22.090 --> 0:56:26.080
<v Speaker 2>She asked him, like, are you sure you are something, something,

0:56:26.100 --> 0:56:28.779
<v Speaker 2>and something? He was like, yes, nurse. And then it

0:56:28.860 --> 0:56:30.120
<v Speaker 2>faded to another scene.

0:56:30.140 --> 0:56:32.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember that. No, his heart wasn't working, bro.

0:56:33.120 --> 0:56:36.750
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she can't fuck him now. Ain't no way she

0:56:36.770 --> 0:56:37.569
<v Speaker 2>was having sex with him.

0:56:38.250 --> 0:56:40.109
<v Speaker 1>Wait, okay. I'm talking about the dude in the chair.

0:56:40.390 --> 0:56:42.110
<v Speaker 2>We all talking about the dude in the chair.

0:56:42.410 --> 0:56:43.089
<v Speaker 1>Right, all of them.

0:56:43.760 --> 0:56:45.700
<v Speaker 2>She was doing something for me. I think she was

0:56:45.739 --> 0:56:46.620
<v Speaker 2>just being nice to him.

0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:48.299
<v Speaker 1>She was being nice. And that's it.

0:56:48.580 --> 0:56:51.040
<v Speaker 2>She was being nice and that's it. She was like,

0:56:51.080 --> 0:56:53.000
<v Speaker 2>I need to get this done by any means necessary.

0:56:53.020 --> 0:56:55.110
<v Speaker 2>He was too wrapped up, man. She gave him a

0:56:55.170 --> 0:56:56.330
<v Speaker 2>hand job or something.

0:56:56.450 --> 0:56:56.989
<v Speaker 1>Wrapped up.

0:56:57.070 --> 0:57:05.489
<v Speaker 2>If y'all don't stop. Wrapped up. All right, so. Y'all

0:57:05.510 --> 0:57:05.910
<v Speaker 2>ain't shit.

0:57:05.930 --> 0:57:08.530
<v Speaker 1>So Alice is still doing her work on the back end, basically.

0:57:08.550 --> 0:57:09.879
<v Speaker 1>He was good after that. He was.

0:57:10.360 --> 0:57:12.300
<v Speaker 2>And basically.

0:57:15.030 --> 0:57:18.900
<v Speaker 2>The boss of Nora finds out that basically my shit

0:57:18.940 --> 0:57:21.600
<v Speaker 2>connected to all this that's going on. One of them

0:57:21.620 --> 0:57:24.080
<v Speaker 2>that Nora basically says, I'm going to take this public.

0:57:24.700 --> 0:57:26.740
<v Speaker 2>And Ed is throwing his weight around on the case

0:57:26.840 --> 0:57:32.270
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. Basically, that's exactly what it was. While Alice

0:57:32.310 --> 0:57:34.750
<v Speaker 2>is working on the case without being on the case,

0:57:34.770 --> 0:57:39.970
<v Speaker 2>she also invites Marshall over. And they have this interaction.

0:57:40.340 --> 0:57:43.840
<v Speaker 2>Was she fucked up for doing this, Mike? Nope. Nope.

0:57:44.660 --> 0:57:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Nope. I don't know.

0:57:45.780 --> 0:57:48.650
<v Speaker 2>Nope, because he wasn't, if he was remorseful for what

0:57:48.710 --> 0:57:50.070
<v Speaker 2>he had done, I would say yes.

0:57:50.770 --> 0:57:51.390
<v Speaker 1>But he wasn't.

0:57:51.850 --> 0:57:54.950
<v Speaker 2>He was still a piece of shit. So I feel like, yeah,

0:57:55.110 --> 0:57:58.390
<v Speaker 2>use him, abuse him, fuck him. What about you, Spike?

0:57:58.550 --> 0:58:00.390
<v Speaker 1>Same. I would million percent agree.

0:58:00.880 --> 0:58:03.380
<v Speaker 2>The scene was a bit ridiculous, though. Like, you couldn't

0:58:03.400 --> 0:58:08.070
<v Speaker 2>have stopped her. Like, she probably weighed 100 pounds, period.

0:58:08.610 --> 0:58:11.470
<v Speaker 2>And she over here pouring liquor, and he's just, your

0:58:11.510 --> 0:58:14.120
<v Speaker 2>hands work, dickhead. Like, what are you doing?

0:58:15.500 --> 0:58:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Stop it. Hit her.

0:58:16.860 --> 0:58:18.040
<v Speaker 2>Shit. Smack the bottle.

0:58:19.480 --> 0:58:20.780
<v Speaker 1>Out of her hand.

0:58:20.820 --> 0:58:22.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I meant.

0:58:22.600 --> 0:58:27.240
<v Speaker 1>Smack the bottle out of her hand. That's what I meant.

0:58:27.280 --> 0:58:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ.

0:58:28.340 --> 0:58:29.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh, God.

0:58:31.380 --> 0:58:35.390
<v Speaker 2>Don't y'all dare. Y'all know what I meant. I meant

0:58:35.430 --> 0:58:37.250
<v Speaker 2>hit the bottle. I didn't mean hit her. It just

0:58:37.290 --> 0:58:39.280
<v Speaker 2>came out wrong. Jesus Christ.

0:58:39.320 --> 0:58:39.980
<v Speaker 1>Fuck y'all.

0:58:41.540 --> 0:58:42.920
<v Speaker 2>The fact y'all laughing at that.

0:58:42.940 --> 0:58:44.120
<v Speaker 1>Y'all some assholes, man.

0:58:44.200 --> 0:58:48.970
<v Speaker 2>It's because it's you. That's not what I meant. I

0:58:49.010 --> 0:58:50.950
<v Speaker 2>meant like swing at the bottle. Like knock the bottle

0:58:50.970 --> 0:58:54.490
<v Speaker 2>out of her hand or something. You just over here.

0:58:54.530 --> 0:58:57.810
<v Speaker 1>Stupid. It caught him off guard, boy. He was being

0:58:57.870 --> 0:58:59.150
<v Speaker 1>waterboarded with alcohol.

0:58:59.270 --> 0:59:02.820
<v Speaker 2>But after a while, you come through. Yeah, like it, though. Like,

0:59:02.860 --> 0:59:05.520
<v Speaker 2>you were drunk, and you didn't gave up the bottle.

0:59:05.940 --> 0:59:08.850
<v Speaker 2>And I'm about to get ass in my biggest vice.

0:59:08.870 --> 0:59:11.590
<v Speaker 1>He was all in. He was like, damn, this is

0:59:11.650 --> 0:59:14.410
<v Speaker 1>the best night ever. I ain't know you had a

0:59:14.430 --> 0:59:15.570
<v Speaker 1>night like this forever.

0:59:15.610 --> 0:59:15.870
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:59:16.590 --> 0:59:18.910
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, shit, I ain't know you into all this.

0:59:18.950 --> 0:59:21.380
<v Speaker 3>Because by then, he had knew her kinks.

0:59:21.590 --> 0:59:23.700
<v Speaker 2>That's like slipping cocaine off the ass cheek.

0:59:23.820 --> 0:59:24.260
<v Speaker 1>Wait a minute.

0:59:24.300 --> 0:59:26.760
<v Speaker 2>You into this shit? But I'm losing my career over this?

0:59:30.490 --> 0:59:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Like, wait a minute. Maybe I didn't do anything wrong.

0:59:38.410 --> 0:59:43.140
<v Speaker 3>But I absolutely loved this scene. Because I'm like, bro,

0:59:43.600 --> 0:59:46.880
<v Speaker 3>she got to be setting you up. This was on,

0:59:47.500 --> 0:59:50.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, I was watching The Last Knight. And I

0:59:50.100 --> 0:59:52.280
<v Speaker 3>was telling my wife, I was like, man, so fucking stupid, bro.

0:59:52.900 --> 0:59:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Like, he just was like, oh, shit, dad. It's on

0:59:56.920 --> 0:59:58.340
<v Speaker 1>and popping now. Yeah.

0:59:58.620 --> 0:59:58.900
<v Speaker 2>In the.

0:59:59.840 --> 1:00:03.700
<v Speaker 3>in the FBI offices, didn't think through anything, and she

1:00:03.740 --> 1:00:04.320
<v Speaker 3>had got him.

1:00:04.380 --> 1:00:06.600
<v Speaker 1>I was like, that's what his ass get.

1:00:06.620 --> 1:00:09.560
<v Speaker 3>Because I was like, okay, because I love the dynamic,

1:00:09.680 --> 1:00:13.060
<v Speaker 3>the dilemma they put her in with, like, hey, the

1:00:13.100 --> 1:00:14.910
<v Speaker 3>only way you can get back is to clean this

1:00:14.930 --> 1:00:15.280
<v Speaker 3>shit up.

1:00:16.210 --> 1:00:18.550
<v Speaker 1>Was she going to do it? And how was she

1:00:18.570 --> 1:00:20.230
<v Speaker 1>going to get out of it? And I love seeing that.

1:00:20.270 --> 1:00:22.310
<v Speaker 3>I love seeing how smart she was and was able

1:00:22.330 --> 1:00:24.190
<v Speaker 3>to kind of trick him out of that shit.

1:00:24.230 --> 1:00:24.730
<v Speaker 1>That shit was dope.

1:00:30.190 --> 1:00:37.190
<v Speaker 2>A lot is going on as far as Marshall is

1:00:37.710 --> 1:00:43.920
<v Speaker 2>obviously upset after this. But Catherine basically escalates to killing

1:00:44.560 --> 1:00:48.160
<v Speaker 2>the guy that she kidnapped. And Alden just sees the

1:00:48.200 --> 1:00:49.980
<v Speaker 2>dude right there bleeding down in front of him. And

1:00:50.060 --> 1:00:57.230
<v Speaker 2>so she runs away to a shelter where she ends

1:00:57.310 --> 1:01:01.180
<v Speaker 2>up running into Alice. at this moment. Um, and then

1:01:01.200 --> 1:01:05.940
<v Speaker 2>we go into episode six where while seeking refuge, those

1:01:05.980 --> 1:01:07.820
<v Speaker 2>two begin to begin to have a dynamic. What did

1:01:07.840 --> 1:01:10.670
<v Speaker 2>y'all think of the dynamic of Allison and Catherine once

1:01:10.690 --> 1:01:11.870
<v Speaker 2>they started talking to each other?

1:01:13.670 --> 1:01:16.430
<v Speaker 1>It will, it was, it was interesting. I wish they,

1:01:17.510 --> 1:01:21.530
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It was, I love the advice that

1:01:21.570 --> 1:01:22.310
<v Speaker 1>Nora was giving you.

1:01:22.650 --> 1:01:27.350
<v Speaker 3>Like, you know, whether cats just keep it simple, you

1:01:27.370 --> 1:01:29.210
<v Speaker 3>get too much, you're going to tip her off. Plus,

1:01:29.700 --> 1:01:31.460
<v Speaker 3>You have to give her rights. I love hearing like

1:01:31.560 --> 1:01:38.080
<v Speaker 3>that sort of inside baseball there. Seeing how crazy Catherine was,

1:01:38.740 --> 1:01:41.600
<v Speaker 3>but also seeing a little bit in Alice, being able

1:01:41.620 --> 1:01:44.580
<v Speaker 3>to kind of connect and bond with her as well.

1:01:45.400 --> 1:01:48.100
<v Speaker 1>And just seeing how it would play out. Then seeing also.

1:01:47.760 --> 1:01:52.200
<v Speaker 3>Like Catherine pick it up on something's a little off

1:01:52.300 --> 1:01:52.660
<v Speaker 3>with her.

1:01:53.410 --> 1:01:54.410
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know what it is.

1:01:55.280 --> 1:01:58.419
<v Speaker 3>But then, of course, her suspicions were verified later by

1:01:58.440 --> 1:01:59.820
<v Speaker 3>an old girl. She was like, you ain't even coming

1:01:59.860 --> 1:02:02.300
<v Speaker 3>to the fucking shower. So I knew that shit was real.

1:02:02.340 --> 1:02:04.890
<v Speaker 3>And then using that against her. So I liked seeing

1:02:04.930 --> 1:02:08.150
<v Speaker 3>that dynamic play out. And I think, especially after you

1:02:08.170 --> 1:02:11.650
<v Speaker 3>telling me what you just told me, they used this

1:02:11.750 --> 1:02:14.490
<v Speaker 3>just as a bit of a teaser for whatever episode

1:02:14.610 --> 1:02:15.230
<v Speaker 3>season two is.

1:02:15.190 --> 1:02:18.410
<v Speaker 1>Going to be about. Don't feel the same way about

1:02:18.450 --> 1:02:19.100
<v Speaker 1>the dynamics?

1:02:20.860 --> 1:02:23.000
<v Speaker 2>I didn't like it. I felt this was too far-fetched

1:02:23.420 --> 1:02:27.090
<v Speaker 2>in a sense. I got why She went in there

1:02:27.320 --> 1:02:31.400
<v Speaker 2>without backup. I got why she, the black lady, held

1:02:31.580 --> 1:02:34.560
<v Speaker 2>off in telling people to get her backup. But I

1:02:34.600 --> 1:02:38.640
<v Speaker 2>just never got, throughout the whole show, that she had

1:02:38.720 --> 1:02:40.540
<v Speaker 2>those type of chops as a police officer to be

1:02:40.580 --> 1:02:41.920
<v Speaker 2>able to go in there and talk to.

1:02:41.860 --> 1:02:43.700
<v Speaker 1>Her like that. She didn't. She wasn't good at it.

1:02:43.880 --> 1:02:45.660
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but she fooled her.

1:02:47.060 --> 1:02:47.340
<v Speaker 1>Enough.

1:02:47.380 --> 1:02:49.380
<v Speaker 2>Like, she was skeptical, but she still fooled her. So

1:02:49.420 --> 1:02:52.620
<v Speaker 2>I didn't, I think that that lady was socially awkward

1:02:52.660 --> 1:02:55.020
<v Speaker 2>the whole fucking show. So now you go in here

1:02:55.040 --> 1:02:59.070
<v Speaker 2>and you expect me to believe that you convinced this

1:02:59.170 --> 1:03:01.970
<v Speaker 2>other crazy lady that you like were a victim of

1:03:02.010 --> 1:03:03.910
<v Speaker 2>a even though she was a victim that's that's that's

1:03:03.930 --> 1:03:05.640
<v Speaker 2>the point where you you lose me i guess because

1:03:05.660 --> 1:03:07.440
<v Speaker 2>she's a true victim of a yeah it's not even

1:03:07.480 --> 1:03:09.220
<v Speaker 2>about being a cop as i was told i have

1:03:09.280 --> 1:03:11.860
<v Speaker 2>a true story of abuse and now okay i'm actually

1:03:11.920 --> 1:03:14.160
<v Speaker 2>seeing the actions of you experiencing abuse.

1:03:14.000 --> 1:03:16.930
<v Speaker 3>It's real names it's kind of like in first season

1:03:16.990 --> 1:03:21.810
<v Speaker 3>of lioness tell the truth change certain details.

1:03:21.310 --> 1:03:23.360
<v Speaker 2>So you're not Right, so you ain't got to remember

1:03:23.410 --> 1:03:24.180
<v Speaker 2>all of this.

1:03:24.240 --> 1:03:25.070
<v Speaker 1>Right, right.

1:03:25.090 --> 1:03:27.990
<v Speaker 3>So she was telling the truth, but what gave her away,

1:03:28.030 --> 1:03:29.490
<v Speaker 3>which is why she was good at it, was when

1:03:29.530 --> 1:03:31.290
<v Speaker 3>she mentioned a name.

1:03:31.850 --> 1:03:33.830
<v Speaker 1>I think it was Isabella. That's not what gave her away.

1:03:33.870 --> 1:03:36.010
<v Speaker 1>The sleeping. She was like, yeah, I think it was

1:03:36.030 --> 1:03:36.530
<v Speaker 1>the first time.

1:03:36.570 --> 1:03:38.070
<v Speaker 3>She was like, okay, that's weird. She was like, what

1:03:38.090 --> 1:03:40.090
<v Speaker 3>was I talking about in my sleep? She was like, yeah,

1:03:40.130 --> 1:03:42.930
<v Speaker 3>you mentioned something about Isabella. And then she was like, okay,

1:03:42.950 --> 1:03:45.250
<v Speaker 3>that's weird. But she kind of let it go.

1:03:45.270 --> 1:03:48.710
<v Speaker 1>Then she did something to really. No, it was the snitch.

1:03:49.730 --> 1:03:49.950
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1:03:50.010 --> 1:03:51.810
<v Speaker 1>Oh, yeah, the girl said she worked. Yeah. She said

1:03:51.830 --> 1:03:52.209
<v Speaker 1>she fed.

1:03:55.470 --> 1:04:01.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, elsewhere, Alden, honestly, Mike, while watching this, I

1:04:01.400 --> 1:04:04.080
<v Speaker 2>was watching it in real time. I really just, I

1:04:04.100 --> 1:04:05.900
<v Speaker 2>was like, I wonder if Mike gonna fuck with this

1:04:05.940 --> 1:04:07.520
<v Speaker 2>dude fucking with these cops.

1:04:08.200 --> 1:04:09.439
<v Speaker 1>Alden, when he was fucking with the cops.

1:04:10.860 --> 1:04:12.970
<v Speaker 2>That part was amazing.

1:04:13.050 --> 1:04:15.230
<v Speaker 1>That was the best part of the show. It was

1:04:15.250 --> 1:04:16.310
<v Speaker 1>so good.

1:04:16.710 --> 1:04:19.610
<v Speaker 2>That part was good, man.

1:04:19.630 --> 1:04:21.130
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember what it was. It was something.

1:04:21.760 --> 1:04:22.580
<v Speaker 2>He said something.

1:04:22.600 --> 1:04:23.940
<v Speaker 1>He was like, oh, cops are bastards.

1:04:24.120 --> 1:04:25.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I missed that.

1:04:25.680 --> 1:04:27.580
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he did. He said it in there. I was like,

1:04:27.700 --> 1:04:29.560
<v Speaker 1>I know Michael. Oh, I missed that. Damn.

1:04:29.640 --> 1:04:31.800
<v Speaker 2>I probably didn't understand what the fuck he was saying.

1:04:31.820 --> 1:04:32.640
<v Speaker 2>I might have to go back and look.

1:04:32.660 --> 1:04:35.090
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he didn't like cops at all. That whole time

1:04:35.130 --> 1:04:36.930
<v Speaker 1>he was in the office, he was just fucking with me.

1:04:36.950 --> 1:04:39.630
<v Speaker 2>I just fucking with all that shit. Yeah, the rolling

1:04:39.650 --> 1:04:42.570
<v Speaker 2>back and forth shit was hilarious.

1:04:42.590 --> 1:04:44.610
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what you just said, Spike. He said, you have

1:04:44.630 --> 1:04:50.450
<v Speaker 3>to push me. And then he just drove off. He

1:04:50.550 --> 1:04:52.630
<v Speaker 3>was like, yeah, I don't like you. He said, you're

1:04:52.710 --> 1:04:54.560
<v Speaker 3>an asshole or something. He told that guy, the Asian guy.

1:04:54.580 --> 1:04:55.520
<v Speaker 2>He said, it's old manual.

1:04:55.540 --> 1:04:56.980
<v Speaker 1>He said, how the fuck it get old manual?

1:04:57.000 --> 1:05:03.940
<v Speaker 2>And you know what he was saying? Yeah, like, because

1:05:04.120 --> 1:05:06.820
<v Speaker 2>I would have said the same thing.

1:05:06.840 --> 1:05:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Ain't no way you reached over there and flipped that switch.

1:05:09.540 --> 1:05:18.940
<v Speaker 2>Well, uh, Alden eventually gives Danny a flash drive containing

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<v Speaker 2>files where he finds out Alice is actually a part

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<v Speaker 2>of those files as well. And so we end episode

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<v Speaker 2>six with also Marshall getting shot by Catherine when they're leaving.

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<v Speaker 2>This right here was kind of like, I got it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I didn't get it. I think they were trying

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<v Speaker 2>to say something here, and I didn't really pick it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Was Alice really trying to tell her to shoot him?

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<v Speaker 2>Because they brought her back up, like, I was trying

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<v Speaker 2>to understand Alice's dynamic in what happened. Because I know

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<v Speaker 2>they had a connection, but I was trying to understand

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<v Speaker 2>how Alice actually felt in this moment. I felt like

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<v Speaker 2>she wanted to get revenge and was letting her go

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<v Speaker 2>to go shoot him. I think, all right, well, before

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<v Speaker 2>you answer. He's talking about Marshall.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>My thoughts was Alice was just as mixed on whether

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<v Speaker 2>she wanted him shot or not because of how she

1:06:08.640 --> 1:06:11.590
<v Speaker 2>felt about him from the abuse. Because it's just as

1:06:11.630 --> 1:06:14.120
<v Speaker 2>complete that she is about the abuse. That's how she

1:06:14.160 --> 1:06:16.660
<v Speaker 2>felt in that moment. But a part of me is like, nah,

1:06:16.820 --> 1:06:18.880
<v Speaker 2>it's definitive here. And I can't really decide if it's

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<v Speaker 2>definitive or not. I think she wanted him... She probably

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<v Speaker 2>wanted him dead until she actually saw him get shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Then she was like, oh. I don't know. This part

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<v Speaker 2>was weird, too. Yeah. Because she definitely... She didn't say yes, necessarily,

1:06:30.820 --> 1:06:33.760
<v Speaker 2>but she didn't say no, either. I don't think she

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<v Speaker 2>knew to answer herself. That's why she didn't answer. I

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<v Speaker 2>think in that moment, she wanted him dead. All right. Well...

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<v Speaker 2>Marshall ends up recovering in the hospital and Ed is

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<v Speaker 2>beginning to try to erase all these files, find these files,

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<v Speaker 2>and doing whatever else. But he also refuses to help

1:06:56.550 --> 1:06:59.419
<v Speaker 2>Nora and basically tells Nora, you done because you a drunk.

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<v Speaker 2>You came up here smelling like a drunk and all

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<v Speaker 2>this shit you doing is done.

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<v Speaker 1>With.

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<v Speaker 2>This also causes Nora to eventually teaming up with Alice.

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<v Speaker 2>What did y'all think about this team up of her

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<v Speaker 2>actually going against the grain in teaming up with Alice.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that she teamed up with her. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>think that she was going to have another route to.

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<v Speaker 1>Go about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought once Buddy shut her down, she was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be out of it, and it was just going

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<v Speaker 2>to be on Alice. So I liked when Nora found

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<v Speaker 2>another route. All right. Well, Ed is also trying to

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<v Speaker 2>buy the flash drive from Danny because he knows Danny

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<v Speaker 2>got the files. And you're like, that's going to connect

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<v Speaker 2>all this shit, and I ain't trying to have none

1:07:44.030 --> 1:07:46.080
<v Speaker 2>of this shit pop off like that. But this is

1:07:46.100 --> 1:07:48.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of the connection of the son, because Ed threatens

1:07:48.320 --> 1:07:51.360
<v Speaker 2>his son in this moment. It's like, yeah, I know

1:07:51.380 --> 1:07:52.939
<v Speaker 2>where your son is at and the stuff he needs.

1:07:52.980 --> 1:07:56.850
<v Speaker 2>If you lose your job, basically, your son's going to

1:07:56.870 --> 1:07:58.250
<v Speaker 2>be right in the middle of the street. They give

1:07:58.330 --> 1:08:04.990
<v Speaker 2>no fucks about that shit. So Danny and Danny basically

1:08:05.030 --> 1:08:07.990
<v Speaker 2>catches up with Nora, and now they're trying to race

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<v Speaker 2>to the house after they have confronted Catherine. Did you

1:08:12.650 --> 1:08:16.580
<v Speaker 2>agree with Alice's motivation to let Catherine go in this

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<v Speaker 2>moment when they caught her at the hotel?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, because I think at this point Danny revealed that

1:08:22.220 --> 1:08:24.760
<v Speaker 3>she was on the files and she didn't know. So

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<v Speaker 3>now she has added a layer of motivation. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think she empathized with what Catherine was going through. She

1:08:32.270 --> 1:08:36.650
<v Speaker 3>had been going through everything and she understands that this

1:08:36.729 --> 1:08:43.630
<v Speaker 3>is another level of abuse and Child trafficking and sex trafficking,

1:08:43.650 --> 1:08:48.930
<v Speaker 3>all this stuff. So so she definitely was looking for

1:08:48.970 --> 1:08:52.389
<v Speaker 3>her to get the revenge that she could not get

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<v Speaker 3>on her own. But, yeah, I agree with that. I

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<v Speaker 3>also think that and I don't know if this was

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if she. calculated it out fully in

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<v Speaker 3>this way, where she let her go in order to

1:09:05.680 --> 1:09:08.940
<v Speaker 3>get access to the house. And that was the reason why,

1:09:09.020 --> 1:09:14.450
<v Speaker 3>that she said in the final episode. So, but, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>but it made sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, now we're to the final episode where the confrontation

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<v Speaker 2>is basically at Jay Easton's house.

1:09:21.080 --> 1:09:23.400
<v Speaker 1>And we basically see a lot of the... I mean,

1:09:23.420 --> 1:09:28.220
<v Speaker 1>we already knew this nigga was a fucked up freakish

1:09:28.280 --> 1:09:28.780
<v Speaker 1>piece of shit.

1:09:29.340 --> 1:09:35.030
<v Speaker 2>But in this moment, we definitely hear how fucked up

1:09:35.070 --> 1:09:38.250
<v Speaker 2>he is and how fucked up his daughter was.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, what did you think of this reveal, Mike, of just.

1:09:42.479 --> 1:09:44.059
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we kind of got hints of it already

1:09:44.120 --> 1:09:47.570
<v Speaker 2>throughout the whole season, but this last episode of their interactions,

1:09:47.590 --> 1:09:51.950
<v Speaker 2>the daughter and the dad. This was very, very fucked

1:09:52.050 --> 1:09:55.670
<v Speaker 2>up because I was thinking he's grooming the daughter too,

1:09:55.810 --> 1:09:56.870
<v Speaker 2>but the daughter was.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, 60 or some shit.

1:09:58.950 --> 1:10:01.960
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know what happened there, but the fact

1:10:02.000 --> 1:10:07.100
<v Speaker 2>that she was covering for him was just insane. Insane.

1:10:08.320 --> 1:10:09.580
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was gross.

1:10:09.600 --> 1:10:12.010
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It was gross watching her bring that little girl

1:10:12.070 --> 1:10:13.759
<v Speaker 2>in there and all of that. It was just gross.

1:10:15.229 --> 1:10:16.760
<v Speaker 2>Even though when she treated the little girl and the

1:10:16.780 --> 1:10:18.580
<v Speaker 2>little girl left, like, she was just a piece of shit, too.

1:10:18.660 --> 1:10:20.780
<v Speaker 2>It's not like she had, like, empathy that I did

1:10:20.820 --> 1:10:22.800
<v Speaker 2>this shit to you. It's like, no, take your ass

1:10:22.820 --> 1:10:23.900
<v Speaker 2>on it. He didn't seem to feel bad about it

1:10:23.920 --> 1:10:24.140
<v Speaker 2>at all.

1:10:24.200 --> 1:10:24.360
<v Speaker 3>Nope.

1:10:24.740 --> 1:10:26.139
<v Speaker 1>No, it was just like a part of her life.

1:10:27.220 --> 1:10:29.059
<v Speaker 1>I mean, but I guess that's a part of the grooming.

1:10:29.160 --> 1:10:33.240
<v Speaker 2>Because, like you said, the way he reacted to her

1:10:33.860 --> 1:10:36.769
<v Speaker 2>when she was, like, defying against him, it's like, my

1:10:36.810 --> 1:10:38.599
<v Speaker 2>whole life I've used money to control you.

1:10:39.060 --> 1:10:39.260
<v Speaker 1>Right.

1:10:39.420 --> 1:10:41.099
<v Speaker 2>And so he thought he still had that power until

1:10:41.120 --> 1:10:43.160
<v Speaker 2>she realized, your old Pharrell ass.

1:10:43.020 --> 1:10:45.600
<v Speaker 1>Can't do shit no more. Pushed his ass down.

1:10:47.000 --> 1:10:48.559
<v Speaker 2>I would have let his ass go to jail, honestly.

1:10:49.689 --> 1:10:51.729
<v Speaker 2>That would have been the year. That shit, but she

1:10:51.770 --> 1:10:52.750
<v Speaker 2>was still protecting himself.

1:10:52.770 --> 1:10:53.930
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. In a way, she's a.

1:10:55.770 --> 1:10:57.610
<v Speaker 1>She's a victim and an enabler at the same time.

1:10:57.630 --> 1:10:58.490
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:10:58.610 --> 1:11:01.729
<v Speaker 1>Because she probably grew up, it's clear, it seemed pretty

1:11:01.750 --> 1:11:02.630
<v Speaker 1>clear to me that she grew up.

1:11:02.650 --> 1:11:03.410
<v Speaker 2>He was abusive to her.

1:11:03.490 --> 1:11:06.900
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was abusive to her and she sort of

1:11:06.939 --> 1:11:10.510
<v Speaker 3>had this Stockholm Syndrome... as well and then she just

1:11:10.550 --> 1:11:12.610
<v Speaker 3>kind of went along with it I was just thinking

1:11:12.650 --> 1:11:17.430
<v Speaker 3>about Ghislaine it was like he's the Ghislaine of this

1:11:17.450 --> 1:11:20.850
<v Speaker 3>whole of Epstein instead of just in this situation as

1:11:21.010 --> 1:11:23.200
<v Speaker 3>a daughter where she was just bringing people I.

1:11:23.180 --> 1:11:26.080
<v Speaker 2>Was like who Ghislaine I had to learn to I

1:11:26.080 --> 1:11:29.180
<v Speaker 2>used to call her Ghislaine.

1:11:29.100 --> 1:11:34.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah but she weren't shit either no she wasn't oh

1:11:34.939 --> 1:11:37.090
<v Speaker 3>and then the way she just turned into a victim

1:11:37.150 --> 1:11:41.050
<v Speaker 3>so Quickly. Easily in and out, bro. He's like, oh

1:11:41.070 --> 1:11:43.210
<v Speaker 3>my God, she's in there. Oh my God, I hated

1:11:43.290 --> 1:11:45.510
<v Speaker 3>every last one of those. I hated Ed too because

1:11:45.550 --> 1:11:49.679
<v Speaker 3>he was that white cop privilege arrogance.

1:11:53.160 --> 1:11:55.660
<v Speaker 2>What did y'all think of the reveal of what actually

1:11:55.680 --> 1:12:00.720
<v Speaker 2>happened that night between Isabel and the men and what

1:12:00.760 --> 1:12:01.700
<v Speaker 2>actually happened.

1:12:01.689 --> 1:12:06.010
<v Speaker 1>To her and why she died? That Catherine was the

1:12:06.050 --> 1:12:07.690
<v Speaker 1>one that killed her? I'm trying to think.

1:12:09.290 --> 1:12:09.810
<v Speaker 2>You ain't shit.

1:12:10.270 --> 1:12:15.200
<v Speaker 1>I told her. Yeah. It was weird.

1:12:16.240 --> 1:12:19.100
<v Speaker 2>It was weird. I feel like this scene should have

1:12:19.120 --> 1:12:19.460
<v Speaker 2>hit harder.

1:12:20.620 --> 1:12:24.010
<v Speaker 1>It should have. The reveal should have been better. Yeah.

1:12:24.050 --> 1:12:27.510
<v Speaker 2>They set up for it, and they stationed it, and

1:12:27.530 --> 1:12:30.210
<v Speaker 2>then it just didn't hit. I didn't like it. It

1:12:30.229 --> 1:12:32.229
<v Speaker 2>didn't feel emotional. I didn't like it. I didn't think

1:12:32.250 --> 1:12:34.600
<v Speaker 2>we needed this as anything.

1:12:34.640 --> 1:12:36.140
<v Speaker 1>We didn't need this at all, honestly. Yeah, there was

1:12:36.200 --> 1:12:36.980
<v Speaker 1>already bad people.

1:12:37.160 --> 1:12:39.900
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we didn't need this. Like he hit you while

1:12:39.939 --> 1:12:42.260
<v Speaker 2>you were still bleeding from getting burnt? I don't know.

1:12:43.400 --> 1:12:46.280
<v Speaker 2>It just seemed like overkill and it just didn't have

1:12:46.350 --> 1:12:48.950
<v Speaker 2>the heavy hit the way that they thought it would.

1:12:49.410 --> 1:12:51.450
<v Speaker 2>I think they were hoping we would be more empathetic

1:12:51.490 --> 1:12:54.670
<v Speaker 2>to Catherine at this point. We were already good with Catherine. Yeah,

1:12:54.689 --> 1:12:55.830
<v Speaker 2>that's what I'm saying. But I think they think we

1:12:55.870 --> 1:12:57.790
<v Speaker 2>were over it. Like we were supposed to be really

1:12:57.850 --> 1:13:00.050
<v Speaker 2>empathizing with her. That we were supposed to feel sorry

1:13:00.090 --> 1:13:03.050
<v Speaker 2>that this happened. And it's like it does suck, but

1:13:03.070 --> 1:13:04.370
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't suck to the point where it changed. Like

1:13:04.430 --> 1:13:11.890
<v Speaker 2>it's a gut punch for me. But yeah. They rush in. Basically,

1:13:12.090 --> 1:13:16.930
<v Speaker 2>he dies. Jay Easton dies. But we also learn that

1:13:16.970 --> 1:13:20.990
<v Speaker 2>basically Catherine says, I know you got a secret. And

1:13:21.030 --> 1:13:26.100
<v Speaker 2>she knows that Alice basically killed him. Did this hit

1:13:26.160 --> 1:13:29.080
<v Speaker 2>at all? Did this work for y'all at least? Or

1:13:29.100 --> 1:13:31.360
<v Speaker 2>did you already suspect that she did this in that moment?

1:13:32.760 --> 1:13:36.700
<v Speaker 1>I did. Only because.

1:13:37.479 --> 1:13:40.880
<v Speaker 3>I rewound it because I was listening to it and

1:13:41.200 --> 1:13:42.930
<v Speaker 3>watching it, and then I kind of walked off, but

1:13:43.030 --> 1:13:44.310
<v Speaker 3>I had headphones on so I could hear it.

1:13:44.729 --> 1:13:46.910
<v Speaker 1>And then I heard he stopped breathing, and she was like, oh,

1:13:46.910 --> 1:13:49.070
<v Speaker 1>are you okay? I was like, wait, did she kill

1:13:49.090 --> 1:13:51.679
<v Speaker 1>this motherfucker? And then I went back and rewound it,

1:13:51.930 --> 1:13:53.000
<v Speaker 1>and I didn't see it.

1:13:53.050 --> 1:13:56.030
<v Speaker 3>I was like, man, it's so weird. So, yeah, and

1:13:56.070 --> 1:13:57.889
<v Speaker 3>then it just kind of confirmed it later because.

1:13:57.689 --> 1:14:00.380
<v Speaker 1>It just happened so fast. I was like, you're the

1:14:00.420 --> 1:14:02.480
<v Speaker 1>movie star, and then he just couldn't breathe. I'm like,

1:14:02.860 --> 1:14:05.400
<v Speaker 1>all right. Yeah, that's weird. I don't know what happened,

1:14:05.420 --> 1:14:07.460
<v Speaker 1>but something happened. Yeah, I thought she did that shit.

1:14:08.540 --> 1:14:10.339
<v Speaker 1>I thought she did that shit. Yeah.

1:14:10.900 --> 1:14:13.530
<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, when she revealed it, I mean, I guess

1:14:13.570 --> 1:14:18.930
<v Speaker 2>it was more shocking that Catherine knew than me knowing

1:14:18.950 --> 1:14:19.430
<v Speaker 2>that she did it.

1:14:19.450 --> 1:14:20.810
<v Speaker 1>Like, I knew she did it. I was like, oh,

1:14:21.010 --> 1:14:21.490
<v Speaker 1>Catherine knows.

1:14:21.710 --> 1:14:23.970
<v Speaker 2>That's all that was the most revealing part about it

1:14:24.030 --> 1:14:24.570
<v Speaker 2>other than that.

1:14:25.410 --> 1:14:26.769
<v Speaker 1>But, yeah, that's pretty much it.

1:14:27.310 --> 1:14:28.590
<v Speaker 2>That's pretty much it, man.

1:14:28.810 --> 1:14:30.860
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe they're doing a season two. I can't

1:14:31.220 --> 1:14:33.700
<v Speaker 1>do that. No, there should be no reason. Yeah.

1:14:33.900 --> 1:14:36.679
<v Speaker 3>But the ending, how did it feel? Her not answering.

1:14:36.700 --> 1:14:41.510
<v Speaker 3>I was like, nah, they can't be. I was like, nah,

1:14:41.770 --> 1:14:44.710
<v Speaker 3>in a way, because there's no other story to tell, really.

1:14:44.830 --> 1:14:47.839
<v Speaker 3>But because unless they're going to be like these partners

1:14:47.900 --> 1:14:50.100
<v Speaker 3>in crime between the two. But I will say I

1:14:50.140 --> 1:14:53.880
<v Speaker 3>love Nora was like, well, why don't I ever fuck you?

1:14:54.100 --> 1:14:56.600
<v Speaker 3>She was like, well. Maybe I'll fuck you later in

1:14:56.640 --> 1:14:57.040
<v Speaker 3>the future.

1:14:57.140 --> 1:15:00.770
<v Speaker 1>I did, Mike. That was funny. She was talking.

1:15:00.810 --> 1:15:01.970
<v Speaker 2>That was funny.

1:15:01.990 --> 1:15:04.690
<v Speaker 1>She was funny. Yeah, she was good.

1:15:04.870 --> 1:15:08.150
<v Speaker 3>And the other thing, it was kind of weird that

1:15:08.170 --> 1:15:10.010
<v Speaker 3>they put all this shit in here. It was like, yeah,

1:15:10.030 --> 1:15:11.940
<v Speaker 3>you don't look like an FBI agent. And she was like,

1:15:11.950 --> 1:15:14.180
<v Speaker 3>what does that mean? And then there was like the

1:15:14.200 --> 1:15:17.299
<v Speaker 3>floor shirt and all that other stuff. I need everybody

1:15:17.340 --> 1:15:18.300
<v Speaker 3>to show ID and stuff.

1:15:19.000 --> 1:15:21.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but anyway. I mean, overall, I enjoyed it. I

1:15:21.540 --> 1:15:22.440
<v Speaker 1>think I enjoyed it.

1:15:22.620 --> 1:15:25.100
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think I'm probably enjoying the message and more

1:15:25.160 --> 1:15:28.790
<v Speaker 2>and more. I talked to y'all about it. Um, that's,

1:15:28.810 --> 1:15:31.330
<v Speaker 2>that's one of the main, especially it made me think

1:15:31.350 --> 1:15:34.370
<v Speaker 2>about abuse a lot more. Um, so I think that's

1:15:34.390 --> 1:15:36.210
<v Speaker 2>what I enjoy the most about it. But like y'all,

1:15:36.290 --> 1:15:39.450
<v Speaker 2>I don't need a season two. Um, if the season,

1:15:39.470 --> 1:15:42.290
<v Speaker 2>when season two does come out, I'll probably wait till

1:15:42.330 --> 1:15:44.330
<v Speaker 2>it's overweight to decide off the first two episodes. I'm

1:15:44.350 --> 1:15:48.179
<v Speaker 2>gonna continue watching it. But, um, yeah, that's it, man.

1:15:48.189 --> 1:15:50.690
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