Speaker 1: Whatever, everybody, and welcome to the France per Second Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Kenny, and stowing me on the show
Speaker 1: is Rod, Spike and Mike Not that much, man, We
Speaker 1: are here to talk about dead presidents. Yeah, dead presidents.
Speaker 1: It's the thirtieth anniversary of this movie. It's crazy voted
Speaker 1: by patrons, so thank you guys for that. And this
Speaker 1: is interesting because I cannot tell you the last time
Speaker 1: I have watched this movie.
Speaker 2: When was the last time you guys watched this movie.
Speaker 3: I don't even know.
Speaker 2: Maybe early two thousands, possibly.
Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, like we'll Rod said to you, it's been
Speaker 4: at least fifteen because when did it release?
Speaker 3: Five?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been twenty years. I've seen it since I've
Speaker 5: been here, So that's what I'm saying. It had to
Speaker 5: be like early two thousand. I'm not even I'm not
Speaker 5: saying like two to oh one type ship?
Speaker 2: Why is that? Why? Why? What?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 2: Why? Why?
Speaker 1: Is because I think, Okay, so I guess overall, like
Speaker 1: it is viewed as a great like black movie right.
Speaker 2: By black folks.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but I look back, man, reviews were bad
Speaker 5: on this really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like forty seven rings like.
Speaker 4: Sixty I thought I thought this movie and I thought
Speaker 4: it was considered like what we were talking about the
Speaker 4: Hood last.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And IMDb had a stream though like at
Speaker 5: a six something or whatever.
Speaker 2: I was like, I didn't, I didn't know that. I
Speaker 2: didn't know this movie was wasn't wasn't really that.
Speaker 4: Reviewed what A movies like Boys in the Hood, and
Speaker 4: I think it's high like New Jack City and.
Speaker 2: That president is.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put it in that in that lineup right
Speaker 1: class would it wouldn't? I would with like Society Boys
Speaker 1: in the Hood, it's probably it's not topping though.
Speaker 2: I don't be on the list. No, I don't do.
Speaker 2: I think that used to be like highly regarded in our.
Speaker 5: Like it has iconic moments, but I don't like it
Speaker 5: like how I like the Boys in the Hood or
Speaker 5: a mens Society.
Speaker 2: It's not the same for me.
Speaker 3: And this movie is by the way, both for seven
Speaker 3: point five and higher. Okay, so those movies are definitely
Speaker 3: this was under This was like, it's a great movie,
Speaker 3: but it ain't like Boys And.
Speaker 4: I do remember as the last time I watched it,
Speaker 4: I was like, it's kind of boring, but this time
Speaker 4: I enjoyed it a lot more.
Speaker 2: I was like, damn, I don't remember what are we
Speaker 2: talking about? The movie?
Speaker 3: A couple of names. I couldn't think I wouldn't we
Speaker 3: talking about that president.
Speaker 1: It took an hour to kind of set everything up,
Speaker 1: but I thought there was a good setup there.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: I liked him, like I didn't remember liking I remember
Speaker 4: liking the movie the first time I watched it.
Speaker 2: Then I know I watched it. You know it's kind
Speaker 2: of boring, But this time I enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: I was like it was a dope setup like that,
Speaker 4: like the relationship with him and the girl, like him
Speaker 4: going to the army and them not being like.
Speaker 2: All of them, all of this work.
Speaker 1: It hits me, Yeah, correct me ifrom wrong because it's
Speaker 1: it's been thirty years. But when this movie was released,
Speaker 1: it was a movie that people were talking in our community.
Speaker 2: Performance like all of this stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was good, but he was gread, not pooky,
Speaker 4: but underrated bo kin wood by smoking.
Speaker 1: That's why I some fries that like, it's not one
Speaker 1: that people would at least I would pick up and
Speaker 1: one to rewatch.
Speaker 3: It's not nothing, there's no conclusion in anything. It just
Speaker 3: kind of just.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's the part I always the court House,
Speaker 5: like I'm like, man like it. Even even when I
Speaker 5: was younger, I just never liked that. I didn't like
Speaker 5: the war part either, like.
Speaker 2: Like the war part the best part of the movie.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I don't know, It's like I started feeling like,
Speaker 5: like what movie is this?
Speaker 2: Like what movie am I watching? So it feels like
Speaker 2: a like a breakup to me. It's like is this
Speaker 2: a war movie? Is this? Is this? Is this a
Speaker 2: bank heist? Is it a is it a what? Like that?
Speaker 3: That's what I've always had, the issue black people trying
Speaker 3: to survive.
Speaker 2: It's like a coming of age.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, for sure that's what ultimately
Speaker 5: is what Mike just said. But but yeah, I just
Speaker 5: the break up just in't I didn't always feel it.
Speaker 2: I didn't always feel the break in it like that.
Speaker 2: With the war stuff.
Speaker 3: I love that the war stuff because it really did
Speaker 3: a good job of explaining why they're fucked up when
Speaker 3: they came home. And then it really nails home the
Speaker 3: whole thing with the government just not taking care of
Speaker 3: for sure, and the fact that there wasn't even really
Speaker 3: a reason for him.
Speaker 1: To go well, so it wasn't because Isaiah Washington was
Speaker 1: his brother.
Speaker 2: I forgot his name, but.
Speaker 1: He was kind of like the smarty one or whatever
Speaker 1: he was gonna go. And Anthony we saw early on
Speaker 1: like he was running numbers and stuff with Kirby who's
Speaker 1: kind of served as a mentor with him and stuff
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: But jobs were scarred.
Speaker 1: So I did look up, like just for historical contexts
Speaker 1: about nineteen sixty eight, and they were just saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, for black men like Curtis, Yeah, there wasn't
Speaker 1: a reason for him to really go, but he didn't
Speaker 1: really have a lot of options, you know, so they
Speaker 1: said higher education was off the financially outreach, which is
Speaker 1: crazy how.
Speaker 2: Much time changed.
Speaker 1: Skilled labor jobs were vanishing or inaccessible due to discrimination,
Speaker 1: and military service was the way out for black people,
Speaker 1: you know. So that's what he did and went.
Speaker 4: Because did Dizzel character do that too? You know when
Speaker 4: we watched what's the movie we just watched when he'd
Speaker 4: like in the army as well? Dizzel character was it
Speaker 4: we just watched with Denzel Lewis though, the whole movie
Speaker 4: that we just did. What were you asked, what's the question?
Speaker 4: Did he go to the army two? For similar reasons,
Speaker 4: and that's how he got his house in California.
Speaker 3: You're talking about the Devil and Blue Death.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Think the scenario from you here, I mean ship, I
Speaker 1: know a kid right now that's probably gonna end up
Speaker 1: doing the same thing, you know, because it's like, well
Speaker 1: what else I got you?
Speaker 2: And he didn't want to go to school.
Speaker 5: Listen to Furious Man, But you said something I don't
Speaker 5: think everybody else heard was yeah, they were drafting around
Speaker 5: at Vietnam time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and so because we you know, in the beginning,
Speaker 1: we kind of introduced all the guys and skip Chris
Speaker 1: Tucker's character was kind of joking with Jose even though
Speaker 1: he called him Joe.
Speaker 2: What's the name, joseh Joe? He probably just called him, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that sounds like somebody Joe.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, he was kind of joking was going to
Speaker 1: get drafted because they were still in school or whatever.
Speaker 1: So they spent like first twenty some minutes kind of
Speaker 1: introduced us to all of them, the relationship between them
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And uh, and we spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time with with Anthony. You know, yeah, he
Speaker 1: was a milk person, right, he was dropping milk off.
Speaker 1: We saw the relationship with that the interest that Delilah
Speaker 1: and it's Juanita, you know, both were coming.
Speaker 2: To the damn door.
Speaker 1: M you know, you know, and uh we saw him.
Speaker 1: The Terrence Howard was there.
Speaker 2: I can't remember his name.
Speaker 3: I don't remember his name either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't either. But he was like, man, yeah, yeah, yeah, they.
Speaker 3: Just say Terrence Howard because he plays the same Come on, man,
Speaker 3: how are you gonna play me in pool?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're playing pool. He's like, yeah, I bet you
Speaker 1: two dollars. You can take your money bit Jim Pool,
Speaker 1: you know. And then he was like hey man, you
Speaker 1: know he was real shy reserve. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you kind of bet me too. But I don't think
Speaker 1: he did, did he? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I thought that. I thought that bet was with Kirby.
Speaker 2: He didn't bet.
Speaker 3: I think the bet was automatically.
Speaker 2: With Cowboy was his name, Cowboy.
Speaker 3: The bet was with both of them, so it.
Speaker 2: Was a four dollar bet. Then I think the rules
Speaker 2: of the pool is if we're playing, we bet.
Speaker 3: You noticed automatically. Yeah, Curtis added on to the bet
Speaker 3: because he was like, I bet you two dollars, he
Speaker 3: can beat.
Speaker 2: You, Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I actually whip up
Speaker 2: on all the cats too, and I was not not
Speaker 2: for money, but just bragging.
Speaker 1: Right, What did you guys think about Kirby, like overall
Speaker 1: his influence on him just in general.
Speaker 5: I like it, you know, I like to I thought
Speaker 5: he was like a five new pigs, like he didn't
Speaker 5: want him to be getting too much trouble, but just
Speaker 5: showing the ropes type thing.
Speaker 4: M hmm yeah, people like it were around. I was
Speaker 4: boring up character a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 3: He's a good actor too.
Speaker 2: Yeah he is. He old. I forget his name too,
Speaker 2: but I do like him though.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Keith David Yeah yeah. Another another good scene,
Speaker 1: that scene we remember, I think we talked about was
Speaker 1: when he went to.
Speaker 3: Money put his legs wrong legs, motherfucker ship. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't he laid down that woman. I was like, god, man.
Speaker 2: That they got my heart husband. Yeah, God, he took
Speaker 2: his fight. He fell on the ground and rolled over
Speaker 2: to the pistol.
Speaker 3: Put the pistol.
Speaker 2: Hald my goddamn money.
Speaker 3: I was dying to get that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: That's very similar to that ship that that that the
Speaker 5: video that was fluming around.
Speaker 2: The handicapped dude that was fighting, remember, had no legs fighting.
Speaker 2: I said that to the group it was on the
Speaker 2: install It's.
Speaker 5: Kind of similar to that you ask by somebody like
Speaker 5: that beat with the legs, but they're strong.
Speaker 2: It don't matter, dog like, No, it don't matter. I
Speaker 2: don't matter. Bro, you can't get your ass. You can't
Speaker 2: get your ass bea by somebody. They got no legs, kid,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I ain't no way, no way, I'm not coming back outside.
Speaker 3: How did he kicked?
Speaker 2: As because the dude on that video didn't have no
Speaker 2: like did you get it kick? Yeah, the dude on
Speaker 2: the video didn't have no legs. I would imagine if
Speaker 2: that little motherfucker grab you, though, it'd be.
Speaker 5: We don't know how tall he really is, true, how
Speaker 5: tall he? He said, a little mother fucker.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Half he's just number number twist on right.
Speaker 2: Good representation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you guys, you guys, going back to Anthony's
Speaker 1: decision to go to the military, do you guys think
Speaker 1: his brother's success played a role in it?
Speaker 2: I guess I feel like I don't think so.
Speaker 5: I thought it was because I thought he had the
Speaker 5: opportunity to go to college, he just didn't want to.
Speaker 3: He didn't he.
Speaker 5: Tired of school, he said, he was tired at school. Yeah,
Speaker 5: get a job.
Speaker 3: Why did he go to the military. What was he
Speaker 3: gonna work it anywhere? I mean it never really, I
Speaker 3: don't know. I just didn't get that part. I'm sure
Speaker 3: I missed something, but I didn't.
Speaker 2: Understand speaking of terrible.
Speaker 4: Now that we know how good of an actor Isaiah
Speaker 4: what's his name, Isaiah Washington? Very underutilized in this film.
Speaker 4: I don't know what it would have been for him
Speaker 4: to do. But now that we know how good of
Speaker 4: an actor he is, I'm sure that could have been something.
Speaker 2: I don't know what.
Speaker 3: Yep, you nothing like.
Speaker 2: He do? Look like random?
Speaker 3: They got the same air. Yeah, they look it up
Speaker 3: and his lips weren't chopped.
Speaker 2: That was the only thing they gave me.
Speaker 3: And he always got that stuff right. Yeah, doing this,
Speaker 3: that's like someone gonna get you some.
Speaker 2: Industrial like you always sucking up.
Speaker 3: He walked up whatever he was in point of justice.
Speaker 4: But Isaiah Washington got washed. I thought he was he
Speaker 4: one he wanted little blacksmister Random, him and Mark. He
Speaker 4: don't like you, said he tried to right a weird
Speaker 4: ass beef. Markin Hill was making a documentary or something,
Speaker 4: and he said he was gonna help him with it,
Speaker 4: and he tried to get him.
Speaker 2: The signs of paperwork that was predatory. Damn yeah, Washington. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh and then like he told Monique about it, and
Speaker 4: Monique went back and told him, and.
Speaker 2: They been having beef very since.
Speaker 4: That's why you don't be That's what he said. I said,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't told the Monique. Now that was the biggest
Speaker 4: he said. They still like seemed like a snitch.
Speaker 1: But anyway, but yeah, I Washton got kicked off for sure.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, just was it Grays Anatomy.
Speaker 2: He messed up that money. Bro still would have been
Speaker 2: getting a check for I'm not working on this goddamn
Speaker 2: Gaze anatomy. Fuck y'all. But yeah, he wasn't. He was in.
Speaker 4: He wasn't poetic just and p Valley.
Speaker 3: I ain't so anyway, Jose saying p val you know,
Speaker 3: I ain't watched that. Oh, pe Valley, that seems like
Speaker 3: some ship you would love. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: You probably don't like.
Speaker 5: You probably don't like the other the the main guy.
Speaker 2: That's probably what it is, but I that ain't. I
Speaker 2: just don't don't heard all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Jose was after and it blamed Skill for it. He
Speaker 1: said he jinxed them. They had a whole conversation, uh
Speaker 1: with Janita and Anthony had the old conversation, went to
Speaker 1: a party whose and and Anthony hooked up with the girls. Uh,
Speaker 1: and they had old conversation about like going to war
Speaker 1: waiting for so you really got a chance to see
Speaker 1: like the real world consequences, real life consequences of just
Speaker 1: that time period, just war in general, you know, which
Speaker 1: I thought they did a good job of capturing that
Speaker 1: because I.
Speaker 2: Don't know why. He slept over them. Must have been good, bro,
Speaker 2: because he slept over night.
Speaker 4: He couldn't leave, He couldn't get out of it. Bro
Speaker 4: had the biggest crush on her.
Speaker 1: No, they went they went at it twice and then
Speaker 1: remember in the morning it was like six thirty.
Speaker 5: Stood like like the month time lapse that you know,
Speaker 5: they were going at it, and then it was a
Speaker 5: time let like through the night.
Speaker 2: It's like they first started and then they they.
Speaker 4: It was supposed to just it's supposed to just be
Speaker 4: one time. I think, to where's point they alluded to?
Speaker 4: They kept Yeah, they kept sucking. I thought too, it wasn't.
Speaker 2: Just all I know is you thought it was one.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, they did it twice because he was like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, we're gonna go again. What I'm saying is
Speaker 1: that because it was still nighttime. So they did it
Speaker 1: four five times.
Speaker 4: I think that's what turned third in the fifth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what That's what I got.
Speaker 3: Okay, so deep sleep.
Speaker 2: But I like that. You know, he was crying and
Speaker 2: you sold like the emotional impact, you know of like
Speaker 2: what need us? And I wait for you and you know.
Speaker 1: But anyway, what did you guys think about Chris Tucker
Speaker 1: as comedic relief?
Speaker 2: I thought he was. He was great, man. I can't
Speaker 2: remember him being as good.
Speaker 5: I didn't need he did it really because this before
Speaker 5: after Friday, After Friday, after.
Speaker 3: He was he was playing Smokey he was, which Smokey
Speaker 3: was just him in real life. But no, he's actually
Speaker 3: a good actor.
Speaker 2: I was surprised Friday came out in.
Speaker 1: Five after there was a guy saw because I looked
Speaker 1: up to see if some of his stuff was improvised,
Speaker 1: and of course it was like you said earlier, they
Speaker 1: gave him reference point.
Speaker 2: He just kind of went with it. But you can
Speaker 2: tell like he and the party talking about that ship
Speaker 2: was fun.
Speaker 3: My uncle was a pip. He's out in the fields
Speaker 3: but just picked cotton fum that.
Speaker 2: He said about always having the holes like, so that
Speaker 2: was good man.
Speaker 4: I can't think of what it was he said, but
Speaker 4: he's like old always.
Speaker 3: But when he when he when it came time to
Speaker 3: actually play serious, he was really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's when we went to the war, uh
Speaker 1: part of it because.
Speaker 2: He was going to Hunter College and Heed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he flunked out of Hunter College, so he
Speaker 1: ended up joining the recontent they were having that conversation,
Speaker 1: Anthony and Skipp had that conversation because we didn't know
Speaker 1: he was there, could show everybody's cleon du get other
Speaker 1: people and then that's you know, we see Skip like
Speaker 1: what the.
Speaker 2: Hell, why is he doing that?
Speaker 1: And then they did the whole warship and then we
Speaker 1: found out that that's why he was there.
Speaker 4: So I love how he was to get and then
Speaker 4: they showed his personality change post war and then on
Speaker 4: drugs like it was the good acting.
Speaker 1: Part of it, Like he did a really good job
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, how did you guys, What did you
Speaker 1: guys think about how they kind of portrayed like the
Speaker 1: war the Hughes brothers.
Speaker 5: So so that's that again. I know I was the
Speaker 5: one that said that this. So it wasn't that I
Speaker 5: didn't like it. I just felt like this part ran
Speaker 5: a little too long for me, Like just just a
Speaker 5: little too long for me. I would have liked not
Speaker 5: not necessarily a montage, maybe more of a montage mixed
Speaker 5: with some of the important parts, but all of the
Speaker 5: like the intestines and all that.
Speaker 2: Like, I just didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't like, I think, blow all of this ride
Speaker 1: because you have to show them being there living, even
Speaker 1: something that's small as buzzed.
Speaker 5: I think I already got that context when I when
Speaker 5: I when I think of war in nineteen ninety five
Speaker 5: though right, well, weren't not in nineteen ninety because there
Speaker 5: weren't that many movies like this, especially that were this brutal.
Speaker 2: I could have I mean, you have Platoon. I don't
Speaker 2: know what you're that came out. You had war movies, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: you have.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you have to presumed you had a few good men,
Speaker 5: Like it's like my idea of war.
Speaker 2: But it's already that the intention.
Speaker 3: People watching those glory black people.
Speaker 2: Are watching on the battlefield.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but I already had that idea that they
Speaker 5: over there killing and all that, Like I already have
Speaker 5: that and they going through post traumatic uh.
Speaker 2: Stress stress. I really think this stress or to understand
Speaker 2: I trying to think of.
Speaker 1: I think you really need just to understand and I
Speaker 1: think you need to spend time with them to understand.
Speaker 2: The back end part of the movie.
Speaker 5: Yes, it felt like a different movie than me. And
Speaker 5: that's the part I've always had issue with. It just
Speaker 5: felt like a different movie. It's like that, it just
Speaker 5: felt like a different move.
Speaker 4: I think to me that was part of the brilliance
Speaker 4: of it because it took us out of their normal
Speaker 4: world and threw them in war and that's what Yeah,
Speaker 4: and then we go back and then we show how
Speaker 4: it affects everything from the people they love you to
Speaker 4: you to like drug addiction. I think it was really
Speaker 4: good because that used to irritate me at first, but
Speaker 4: watching it this time made me appreciate it because they
Speaker 4: I ain't gonna say they was living like a perfect life,
Speaker 4: but they had they were in the community, like he
Speaker 4: was running numbers, he was around people, he had the
Speaker 4: girl that he loved, and then you just get plucked
Speaker 4: out of it and threw into a white man's war.
Speaker 2: I get it, I get it.
Speaker 5: I just felt like it ran a little too long
Speaker 5: for me, Like yeah, yeah, it just it just felt
Speaker 5: like a different movie. But we saw Anthony, we saw
Speaker 5: his experience, we saw him go through a lot, and
Speaker 5: only what he went through personally, but witness and others.
Speaker 2: Cleon was a preacher's son, be headed a person and carriage.
Speaker 3: That that seems like a different movie than me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think it was supposed to the exactly because because
Speaker 3: even as an audience, we had to readjust when they
Speaker 3: went back just like they had And I just didn't
Speaker 3: like that for me a YouTube video you watched me, No,
Speaker 3: I just was that was good.
Speaker 4: I was surprised, like I didn't remember liking it this
Speaker 4: much like I watched it this time, and that's what
Speaker 4: I was like, Damn, this was really And we.
Speaker 3: Have to kill one of his fellow soldiers, yes, because
Speaker 3: he was begging to die.
Speaker 2: You know who that was? Right? Who did Embrigio? Oh?
Speaker 4: Michael Imperioli from Sopranos, Christopher Christal Oh.
Speaker 2: Dying right, just like that too.
Speaker 1: But but you see Cleon, Cleon became a completely different person.
Speaker 2: That was the only way for him to survive.
Speaker 1: Skip. We see our Skip ended up on drugs because
Speaker 1: that was his way of coping.
Speaker 2: And then he had hr V that was flying Agent orange. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was Agent Orange. Wait HIV winning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't catch you either, know about this.
Speaker 2: Chris Tucker is a character. He said. I caught him
Speaker 2: over there.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, he was talking about he was talking about
Speaker 5: like his blood cells are different Agent Orange.
Speaker 1: I only know because I looked it up when I
Speaker 1: was preparing for the show, and they said it was
Speaker 1: a chemical substance.
Speaker 2: Agent orange is what he had.
Speaker 3: Never I just didn't think that.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a damn, I'll be quiet. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: know how you knew. It's like.
Speaker 2: It was way too close to Agent Orange, not HIV.
Speaker 5: No, no, okay, I don't even HV because he was
Speaker 5: he said he was sucking people and all.
Speaker 2: That, and well that's the them in the boom or
Speaker 2: whatever he said.
Speaker 3: I can see that making sense why you're thinking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but yeah, only that's at least that's what
Speaker 1: what I what I read is they said that he
Speaker 1: had and that was a kind of thing that was
Speaker 1: going on, this chemical warfare that was going on. I thought,
Speaker 1: like you two, that it was PTSD, Anthony had PTSD,
Speaker 1: Skip had a different issue, which was the agent orange stuff.
Speaker 3: They made that clear then, because they they didn't. I
Speaker 3: didn't ever think it.
Speaker 2: Was agent I didn't either, and they never said anything.
Speaker 3: I would have thought HIV too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, h whatever popped in my head at all.
Speaker 2: They said they didn't know what it was. And this
Speaker 2: is like what seventies or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like they came back in seventy three,
Speaker 1: seventy two.
Speaker 3: And why only did he get it because agent orange
Speaker 3: that it was usually everybody around you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty sure other people got it. But and
Speaker 1: I didn't look up to see where they got there from.
Speaker 2: Why they even how they even know that?
Speaker 1: Because initially I wrote down when he said, yeah, I
Speaker 1: got some shit, I don't even know what it was.
Speaker 1: I thought he was talking about mentally PTSD, And I
Speaker 1: looked up when was PTSD officially dot It was nineteen
Speaker 1: it was around the eighties, nineteen eighties, so so I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, then that would make sense for them
Speaker 1: to not be able to classify of you know, but
Speaker 1: then they say agent Ona Like okay.
Speaker 2: But I just didn't bothered.
Speaker 1: Digging into it because the movie didn't really spend a
Speaker 1: lot of time with it.
Speaker 2: It was just he just said it.
Speaker 3: This says that he was talking about getting fucked up
Speaker 3: on drugs. M This says that the disease he was
Speaker 3: talking about was a heroin addiction.
Speaker 2: But this is also yeah, I mean, we know he
Speaker 2: had a heroin addiction, but he was talking about something else.
Speaker 2: It seemed like he was very clear about like it was.
Speaker 3: But he could he could have started doing heroin over there,
Speaker 3: Well he was doing drugs, Well, think about it. In
Speaker 3: the hood, dudes weren't doing heroin. So maybe he got
Speaker 3: hooked on heroin while he was in the.
Speaker 1: But I think it was already established that he was
Speaker 1: a drug addict. And then it seemed like he was
Speaker 1: speaking about something something separately. Maybe, but I again, they
Speaker 1: they just kind of said it and moved on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the one thing we saw over and over again was
Speaker 1: that he was just on drugs. I mean the first
Speaker 1: time we seen when we were back with him, is
Speaker 1: that he just sending them shaking and shit Wikipedia, I
Speaker 1: think he had agent Warrens on there, but you know
Speaker 1: you can have you know, you know. But anyway, but
Speaker 1: I think with the war scene, it was just it
Speaker 1: was a lot that happened. We saw a dude bump
Speaker 1: explode basically blow up. We saw Skip just shell shot
Speaker 1: like he couldn't even fucking move.
Speaker 5: Look, it was done very well, like this Warship was
Speaker 5: done very well. Like I said, it just felt like
Speaker 5: a whole nother movie. It was done that well to me,
Speaker 5: like the whole movie could have been about that.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It felt like two different movies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and kind of Spike saying like even his mom
Speaker 1: where Anthony was talking, where he had to detach from everything,
Speaker 1: like even he wouldn't even look at his daughter because
Speaker 1: he was like the only way he's the only way
Speaker 1: I've been able to survive here in.
Speaker 2: Twenty six months.
Speaker 1: It's just like nothing ever exists and and yeah, been
Speaker 1: in the bush. But but yeah, but anyway, was there
Speaker 1: was there anything during the war scene that stood out
Speaker 1: to you guys, any memorable moments.
Speaker 3: The head Dave Chapelle not want to put the head away.
Speaker 2: He was right though that he did bring him looks
Speaker 2: unless he got rid of it.
Speaker 3: And he got rid of it. That motherfucker got blown up
Speaker 3: and then once his face got shot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I bet that's stunk, like holy hell. Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: He was one of my favorite characters.
Speaker 5: Man, I like to it is he always inderrated. I
Speaker 5: think be kean wood Mine isn't underrated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he was shooting dead bro and then
Speaker 1: he took the Dugans I think the sergeant to heart.
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, just taking the supernirs, like he
Speaker 1: walked through to somebody, just shot somebody.
Speaker 2: B he was yeah, yeah, wow yeah in his book
Speaker 2: bag and just this dude is crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah that was that was That was That was
Speaker 1: pretty pretty intense.
Speaker 2: And then that was the black Man Go Home propaganda
Speaker 2: fly that.
Speaker 3: Was going on time, but that was like a real thing.
Speaker 4: And drop them in the battlefield yea, they that in
Speaker 4: that war.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but you just.
Speaker 1: Saw like the things that they had to do to survive,
Speaker 1: like their loss of innocence because I remember these are kids,
Speaker 1: you know, they're sort of moral decay with cleon and
Speaker 1: just their coping mechanisms that when we come back home
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy three. Also in nineteen seventy one, Marvin
Speaker 1: Gay wrote What's going on? That's playing in some of
Speaker 1: the songs too, So they come back two years later.
Speaker 2: This school about this was great.
Speaker 5: That's one of my most memorable things about that Presidents
Speaker 5: is the soundtrack.
Speaker 4: Yep, I remember I found some old songs, like my
Speaker 4: first time watching.
Speaker 1: We People who Are Darkening Blue Curtis Mayfield that one. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but we get back in nineteen seventy three. Man, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: I guess Cleon had already made back. That also took
Speaker 1: photos and stuff and Cleon puts it, I guess on
Speaker 1: his face or whatever. But they come back home skips
Speaker 1: an addict Jose's of Power Maniac.
Speaker 2: He blew up his hand? Uh what was up that? Did?
Speaker 3: That only confuse me? It was okay, he blew up
Speaker 3: his hands. That was Was that supposed to be a
Speaker 3: fake hand?
Speaker 2: It was supposed to be but he was moving the
Speaker 2: hell out of it.
Speaker 3: Was drink drink with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was supposed to be a prosthetic.
Speaker 3: I was confused. Did he just burn the hand up
Speaker 3: or was the hand supposed to be completely gone? And
Speaker 3: that was face.
Speaker 5: So it's like it's like it was two different things.
Speaker 5: Like at first it was fake, but then later it
Speaker 5: like it was just burned up.
Speaker 2: Because he showed it to him, He's like, what it
Speaker 2: looked looked fake?
Speaker 3: Yeah, look later on when he was drinking a drink,
Speaker 3: it's burned up. It just looked burned up. So that
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, no, hand was like one. But I
Speaker 3: think that's Matt might be just a plot apply what's
Speaker 3: it called like whatever, like like if I'm a stake, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think so. I think it started off as a
Speaker 3: prosthetic and then later it.
Speaker 2: Just was hand.
Speaker 3: I think he forgot because remember the card.
Speaker 2: That it wasn't supposed to be in the car? Didn't
Speaker 2: he set it on fire? I think he said one
Speaker 2: of his fingers on fire, put yours out walked a
Speaker 2: pretty big mistake.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was confused by that too, but I
Speaker 1: just kind of let it go because you know, but yeah,
Speaker 1: because he had that gun at the.
Speaker 5: End, like he had to shoot the ship.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they probably started off as a crossteady.
Speaker 2: Hand and it's like later, well this ain't gonna work.
Speaker 2: We need to make it a burn hend because he
Speaker 2: even had to do the barn thing. He wouldn't you
Speaker 2: can't do one hand?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, and Cleon went went and became a preacher.
Speaker 1: So anything notable about their post war transformations, uh, that
Speaker 1: was yeah, that.
Speaker 3: Was just like, man, he is really doing a good
Speaker 3: fucking jomb man. He went from like Talking Ship but
Speaker 3: being like this playful guy to Talking Ship being this
Speaker 3: borderline scary.
Speaker 2: Guy, insane person. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I love how like he deflated. He was when he
Speaker 4: ran up on my high excited with hey mareen, and
Speaker 4: then he he was like, oh man, it was just
Speaker 4: he was genuine sadness from Rinz take care.
Speaker 2: So I liked that a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And in four years Kirby was playing the cops.
Speaker 1: The cops you know, of course, you know, tried to
Speaker 1: check him down more money.
Speaker 2: He just said fuck it.
Speaker 1: He said, I'm not gonna pay for the kids college twitch.
Speaker 1: So you know, he just kind of was hanging around
Speaker 1: because he thought he was gonna go back to it
Speaker 1: because he can't find work.
Speaker 2: He's unemployed.
Speaker 1: He can't find work, you know, and he's a war hero.
Speaker 1: But them motherfuckers that don't care about it, like you know,
Speaker 1: cowboy was just kind of mocking and making fun of
Speaker 1: him and ship like that. Yeah, he Hey, Rod, did
Speaker 1: they use spight Lee sitting at the shot when he
Speaker 1: was going to see Kirby for the first time.
Speaker 2: Wasn't even like it?
Speaker 3: He was floating, Yeah, y'all biting bro.
Speaker 5: It wasn't quite spike Lye shot, but it was very yeah, okay, right, the.
Speaker 2: Little dolly move.
Speaker 5: But yeah, you got that's his signature that he goes
Speaker 5: to Juana though, and she's running around with Cudding.
Speaker 1: Mike was Wasanita wrong? It was Anthony wrong to leave
Speaker 1: when he saw that roach walking on the wall.
Speaker 3: No, I'd have left to the nasty ass. Eper, I'd
Speaker 3: have fucking left. He got my kid up here as
Speaker 3: a fucking roach walking around your nasty ass. I'm like
Speaker 3: a worry about Cuddy right now?
Speaker 1: What the.
Speaker 3: I was disgusted.
Speaker 2: And they had the sound effects of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you know, it's been great about it.
Speaker 4: Nasty as was that after he pulled up on him,
Speaker 4: After Cutty pulled up on him though in the car.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because because she kept trying to introduce him
Speaker 2: to Cudding.
Speaker 3: None of that ship he did. What did you can
Speaker 3: roll up on the lollipop though, and they zoomed in
Speaker 3: on you like a lot.
Speaker 5: Of talk ship you could pulled up and gave his
Speaker 5: girl to one of the dollars. Dude pressing, Yeah, like
Speaker 5: press on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was real, he was really so when she's hooking,
Speaker 2: I think I don't think she was.
Speaker 5: I think he just you know, yeah, it was just Yeah,
Speaker 5: he's a little little little daughter.
Speaker 2: And I'm mad too, Yeah, already to be mad. But
Speaker 2: she hadn't heard from him.
Speaker 3: I don't give a funk. You got my daughter around him.
Speaker 3: Now you got a right back woman. Tell you she
Speaker 3: prayed shot raise, you got my daughter.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what. You don't know what?
Speaker 3: You know that by Pimby And the second that kid
Speaker 3: gets sixteen, what you think is gonna happen? He's gonna
Speaker 3: try to engage.
Speaker 2: It's not in the long term plan. You gotta trying
Speaker 2: to figure it out.
Speaker 3: Figure right how to get my daughter wake from upim.
Speaker 2: The right of this was good because you can see
Speaker 2: it both ways.
Speaker 3: You can you can see it both ways, especially when
Speaker 3: what happened later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because he first man a lot of got
Speaker 1: the throw going, and she's basically telling me that he's
Speaker 1: being brainwashing like that.
Speaker 2: I like her. I like, yeah, yeah, she was under
Speaker 2: developed though, tell you that, you know that's funny. I
Speaker 2: had a question about that she was under developed. I
Speaker 2: think they could have did more with her.
Speaker 3: I thought her inclusion was perfect.
Speaker 2: No, the inclusion was great, but I just feel like
Speaker 2: they could have did more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we also saw cow Boy thought that this was
Speaker 1: the same old Anthony.
Speaker 2: Why Bro, Bro, these guys are freaking killers.
Speaker 3: Bro didn't notice his mustache, that's the problem. Mother fucking
Speaker 3: like that. Come back with a mustache like that.
Speaker 5: Don't say you don't trust the black man with just
Speaker 5: a mustache. Terren Tower should have know heard.
Speaker 2: Mother got a mustache?
Speaker 3: Bro?
Speaker 2: Right, he whooped his ass?
Speaker 5: He did.
Speaker 4: He don't play with me, Bro. This man was in
Speaker 4: the Vietnam War. He kills people and came back. Yeah
Speaker 4: he made it.
Speaker 2: If he made it back, you know, he a bad motherfucker.
Speaker 2: Didn't make it back light skin like that with.
Speaker 3: A curly little privilege right with a pool stick?
Speaker 2: God damn ye was that his baby? Was that Cuddy baby?
Speaker 3: That was his baby?
Speaker 2: I think it was his baby, that was his baby.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was because Cuddy. It kind of
Speaker 3: implied that Cuddy came around later, but who knows, who knows?
Speaker 3: Who knows? I see why you would ask that.
Speaker 2: He was asking that, and I thought, I don't think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a fair question though the way Cuddy
Speaker 3: was act, that's a fair question.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Remember Yeah, five months later, she's pregnant.
Speaker 1: She's on his ass about getting a better job, like
Speaker 1: she is like laying into him.
Speaker 3: Oh you're talking about the second baby. Yeah, oh I
Speaker 3: never even thought. I thought about the first baby, the first.
Speaker 2: The first one was here is the second one? Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, was Cuddy still around?
Speaker 4: He know, he was like, you lay with me? But
Speaker 4: where you go when I ain't around? And she admitted
Speaker 4: to us, well, I don't know if she was just
Speaker 4: mad or what, but she was like yeah, I'm fucking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because remember she was crazy. Yeah, he had the job.
Speaker 1: Then he got the guy to close on the shop.
Speaker 1: He lost his job, which leads to how we got
Speaker 1: to the whole seeing and stuff like that. Even prior
Speaker 1: to that, we saw Jose Joe cut Kirby and Anthony
Speaker 1: Ryan around in the car basically talking about this whole thing.
Speaker 2: Seems like a dumb play. It did listening to this.
Speaker 4: Dumb playing poorly executed like this was man everything they
Speaker 4: got they deserve, Like, Bro, you.
Speaker 2: Said, you don't know what they listened too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just because you were in in the military don't
Speaker 3: mean you're sucking some kind of tactical genius. And the
Speaker 3: and the way he was laying it out, I'm like,
Speaker 3: y'all listen to this fool.
Speaker 2: Though they had to be tactical in his unit, it
Speaker 2: seemed okay.
Speaker 3: The second he said, look, we're gonna put white makeup
Speaker 3: on our faces, I'm like, you know, we're not listening
Speaker 3: to you. You're stupid. You're fucking stupid. We're gonna put
Speaker 3: white makeup on our face and then run away. You
Speaker 3: gonna who's not gonna see you with.
Speaker 2: A white white face with a black.
Speaker 3: Man in the hood running around with white makeup on.
Speaker 2: It, like moms. Not practical yet the idea was good,
Speaker 2: just the plan was done.
Speaker 3: Just get a mask, get a mask, and have a
Speaker 3: better plans, That's what I'm saying. Why they listening to him?
Speaker 5: And its like it took a lot of time to
Speaker 5: apply that look, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder what was the idea? I need to
Speaker 2: read up on that, Like why did they go that
Speaker 2: route with the.
Speaker 3: Military, because military does not like that though, not like that.
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, but Anthony was going through it.
Speaker 1: He was having uh nightmares and ship waking up and
Speaker 1: I needed was so damn fucking dirty, bro.
Speaker 3: What she wants some dig he wouldn't give it to her.
Speaker 5: It's not that because I'm pregnant. Yeah, it's not that far.
Speaker 1: It was when he lost his job and he came
Speaker 1: home and he was he was he was walking.
Speaker 2: U GK. Bro, and he's walking He's walking up. See.
Speaker 2: He like to blame me, but he prolo gave him
Speaker 2: the food.
Speaker 1: The food he walking home and Cuddy walking out the
Speaker 1: damn building.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, Cuddy smacked the ship out.
Speaker 5: Of that It was so cold it was I thought
Speaker 5: he was really about to walk off.
Speaker 2: You can't trust he did.
Speaker 3: Like with bride knuckle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he turned around and yeah with the ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Cuddy was was was validated in that in
Speaker 3: that punch.
Speaker 2: You think so he was. He was talking mass ship, bro.
Speaker 3: But Cuddy wasn't. At first. He was just like he man,
Speaker 3: if you ever need something, man.
Speaker 7: Was it was how he was saying that he was talking,
Speaker 7: but damn b he was he was talked to another
Speaker 7: grown man like that exactly.
Speaker 2: He's talking to him like broken, not you're gonna take
Speaker 2: care of me. You can't do it?
Speaker 3: You got or not?
Speaker 6: Bro?
Speaker 2: Hey, he's like little man. I know how proud he is.
Speaker 3: He was trying to give him some game that was
Speaker 3: that was, yeah.
Speaker 2: Your girl in the last time.
Speaker 3: And then how that scene in the show that right,
Speaker 3: like how she fucked you, How she sucked you? She
Speaker 3: wasn't doing that before. Man, open them my fucking.
Speaker 2: Spell, bro, he did he heard that?
Speaker 3: This man talked to me like that. I don't give
Speaker 3: a take your ass back over there.
Speaker 2: Hey.
Speaker 4: The face paint was a not to Vietnam protests, particularly
Speaker 4: black veterans protesting the one seventy one.
Speaker 1: Because fighting the white man's war. And I guess put
Speaker 1: it on the white white damn.
Speaker 3: That's that's why he got rated low because all the
Speaker 3: white people were like, this is white face and this
Speaker 3: is racist.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but he was so good man power, That's
Speaker 2: that's that's the actor, the power. He was great. He
Speaker 2: was a rock. Yeah, that's great. He was great. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I thought this was it represented characters delusionment and anger
Speaker 4: at the system that had filled them, both veterans and
Speaker 4: black men.
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool. So after he got his as smacked
Speaker 2: down by a pimp down the stairs, all the meat
Speaker 2: fell out by that was a problem. That wouldn't that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it wasn't really checking that.
Speaker 3: We're gonna keep that in. He's like, I suht that.
Speaker 2: That's why it was tearing, right, he was.
Speaker 8: He was hurt for real, and then he gotta deal
Speaker 8: with dude talk about open. He was hurt for real,
Speaker 8: shooting all his decisions, shoot me and that was that was.
Speaker 2: And after all that, you go in the house and
Speaker 2: this woman is man giving it to him.
Speaker 1: She said, the only time I can hold you is
Speaker 1: when you have no bro or however, she said that
Speaker 1: she was so fucked up bro.
Speaker 2: She was right.
Speaker 3: I don't know because because PTSD people didn't understand it yet.
Speaker 3: So all she knew is he wasn't having sex with her.
Speaker 3: He wasn't being like emotional with her. I can imagine
Speaker 3: that she gets tiring.
Speaker 2: Yeah, true, but you broke, and you broke and came
Speaker 2: on the job, she said. She said, you're gonna get
Speaker 2: that money back.
Speaker 5: She was like, even if I wanted to give it back,
Speaker 5: what do you mean you want if you want to right,
Speaker 5: not giving that.
Speaker 2: Money back your girl give you back.
Speaker 3: First of all, you can't make your girl do ship.
Speaker 3: But as I wouldn't even ask Ken, no.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he kind of need that money.
Speaker 6: You need the money the baby didn't need, especially since
Speaker 6: you spilled on them damn groceries falling down the fucking stairs.
Speaker 6: You clearly need that money about give it back that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And so I so, I don't know if you
Speaker 2: were talking about earlier.
Speaker 1: I don't know if she was just saying that to
Speaker 1: piss him off about sleeping with But I couldn't tell Spice.
Speaker 2: She took a little step too far. That's what made
Speaker 2: him snap. Yeah what did she say?
Speaker 3: I can't remember.
Speaker 1: So she said, uh, yeah, I'm fucking if that's what
Speaker 1: you want to hear. So I was, I don't know
Speaker 1: a woman be slick with that ship the.
Speaker 2: Ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, up, am fucking he's better than you with your fucking.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 2: Yes, she was cussing him out. Brother, man. Black women
Speaker 2: cuts you out as different different that I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's just they go to the depths of hell like
Speaker 2: they going to the depth.
Speaker 4: You'll be thinking about it three four days like I
Speaker 4: believe he said that, God damn, you won't funk me.
Speaker 2: The only time I get the hold waking up and
Speaker 2: coase bro that was that that was a good thing.
Speaker 2: And then uh, but but she regretted that ship. He
Speaker 2: went too far.
Speaker 3: He talked her like three times.
Speaker 2: She wouldn't let it go, let it go, like, don't
Speaker 2: you leave.
Speaker 9: Anthony's acting in these were like power lefl this some
Speaker 9: type ghosts right here.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: You know the the contrast between the two because at
Speaker 1: that point then he goes he runs into the snake
Speaker 1: Turner Cadre and some guy gave him a flower, and
Speaker 1: then he ran into Delia Delilah that the Yes, that
Speaker 1: was a sister who was a black revolutionary.
Speaker 2: I thought the contrast.
Speaker 1: Between the two sisters interesting ones a black revolution and
Speaker 1: the others messing around with a pimp.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, they meet and hook him. I thought
Speaker 2: they were going to hook up.
Speaker 3: I didn't thought they the way I thought they did.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's a missing scene somewhere. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: thought they did. Seems like right, I feel like I
Speaker 3: thought the impression was he hooked. They must have cut
Speaker 3: that part out. Yeah that I'm saying. I think they
Speaker 3: might have filmed that and just didn't put it in
Speaker 3: there for whatever. They didn't want to make him seem
Speaker 3: like an over bad guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think that's probably because, Yeah, that's what it was
Speaker 5: a little because she kissed him in when he came
Speaker 5: back from from.
Speaker 2: The war, like there you go, welcome back. Yeah that
Speaker 2: was weird too, where you got surprised she joined the heist.
Speaker 3: Yeah that was well, she was in that made it
Speaker 3: didn't really make any sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, again like underdeveloped for me, And that was what
Speaker 2: made me think that he hooked up with her because
Speaker 2: she was like why would else would she be there?
Speaker 5: That would and he was really hurt, not saying that
Speaker 5: he shouldn't be hurt. Yeah, way he was holding and
Speaker 5: the emotion that's saying I think something they deleted the same. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that would make sense.
Speaker 1: You guys talking about the execution of this whole thing,
Speaker 1: and then prior to that there planning the whole thing
Speaker 1: out and Craby was like, we need another guy. I
Speaker 1: can't remember why, but they decided to go get Cleon.
Speaker 1: That's when the rest of the viewers that.
Speaker 2: Is a preacher.
Speaker 4: They needed somebody that lies on the corner. Yeah, they
Speaker 4: needed they probably another person. Yeah, because he was a junkie,
Speaker 4: but he ended up being the one that was saved
Speaker 4: that he was going to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but you gotta talking about the heights and spike.
Speaker 2: You said it was stupid. It looked it looked like.
Speaker 1: They had this ship planned out, bro, the guy under
Speaker 1: under the Great or whatever that ship. Look, I thought
Speaker 1: that was that was that was I thought it was stupid.
Speaker 4: How they like blew the whole truck, this whole Yeah,
Speaker 4: he putting on he's a power Yeah, so the plant
Speaker 4: was just to blow off the dope.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he's he's gone right right, you know from
Speaker 4: the war. Okay, so you just and then you had
Speaker 4: them to you had them to look out in the
Speaker 4: d the cop messed it up.
Speaker 2: And the cop messed up because he was a fellow.
Speaker 2: They never planned for him. Yeah, they never planned for him.
Speaker 2: I feel like he could have killed that conversation. Though
Speaker 2: he didn't do a good job.
Speaker 3: How well you have two military guys, I could have
Speaker 3: just ye my face, bro, my homebody can pick me up,
Speaker 3: don't worry.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he told him, he told the bad live.
Speaker 1: I waited for the bus, right, but we found out
Speaker 1: the reason why he was being so helpful was because
Speaker 1: of what ro military.
Speaker 2: That's what they do. How did you know that marine
Speaker 2: had a patch on Jack? So he just worked the
Speaker 2: wrong outfit. That was good writing that. I was okay
Speaker 2: because he was.
Speaker 1: Really trying to be helpful. And then uh, and then
Speaker 1: everything went down. But what about Delilah's death?
Speaker 2: Was that predictable coming?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: When I first watched this, I didn't know she was
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna die like that.
Speaker 4: Nobody had to die, So yeah, I thought it was
Speaker 4: gonna be smoking, Yeah, smoking ship, That's what I thought.
Speaker 2: That's not there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I thought when she jumped up out of
Speaker 5: the track carbage, it's one of the most iconic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was fire.
Speaker 5: That was fire cinema, I think, like, yeah, not even
Speaker 5: just on some black ship, but the ship just looked.
Speaker 2: Gangster the fact man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, Cleon talking about skip and he wanted to
Speaker 1: ended up freezing up.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but nah, this this whole thing with the
Speaker 2: ship quick and uh but they got away. Dela got shot,
Speaker 2: Jose almost got away.
Speaker 3: And what's his face got shot?
Speaker 4: Took Yeah, you got running on top of the cars
Speaker 4: was insane.
Speaker 2: Why why would you.
Speaker 4: Run on top of them, calls stop, they bring too
Speaker 4: much attention. You slo running on top of cars and
Speaker 4: running on flat.
Speaker 2: That didn't make any sense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that part felt this part felt rushed to me.
Speaker 5: The heights, Yeah, I feel like they spend more time
Speaker 5: on the war stuff than the heist.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, and show how fast everything like these
Speaker 1: are the repercussions of the war, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: just also reflection of how they treat just veterans and
Speaker 1: black veterans just in general. This guy can't get a job.
Speaker 1: The community we see is declining. When they came back,
Speaker 1: Skip said, white people are moving out. Also, he also
Speaker 1: mentioned that when he was talking about the stuff that
Speaker 1: was in him, Anthony said, we looked at him it
Speaker 1: was like and thought it was heroin.
Speaker 2: He was like, no, it's not heroin, because I know
Speaker 2: what that feels like. He said that in the movie. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I looked it up.
Speaker 3: I saw another thing while you were talking that said
Speaker 3: Agent Orange. I just wish they would have been clear
Speaker 3: about that. I never would have picked it up unless
Speaker 3: you if you hadn't said it.
Speaker 2: I just found out last night. I never would have
Speaker 2: picked it up either.
Speaker 1: I guess maybe they wanted to wanted it to be vague,
Speaker 1: just to kind of reflect the times.
Speaker 3: I don't know that maybe, yeah, maybe because he wouldn't
Speaker 3: have known what Agent Orange was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but they got away. Man, they can't get
Speaker 2: but sixty grand. But it doesn't that's a lot of money, bro.
Speaker 2: They did a bet for two dollars, that's true, and.
Speaker 3: Got beat down over it.
Speaker 2: Point points. They got three hundred k. And that's the
Speaker 2: money that wasn't burnt because this fool it supposed to
Speaker 2: got a lot more. Split five away your sixty untraceable.
Speaker 1: Yes, it was like, I can't believe they're gonna which
Speaker 1: again were talking about the Argentina story. They have to
Speaker 1: burn all that ship up when so many people could
Speaker 1: use that money, you know, But either way, I.
Speaker 3: Go Chapelle, gonna go snitch.
Speaker 1: He felt guilty though, and they could see him unraveling.
Speaker 1: I think Kirby, Kirby should have picked up on that shot.
Speaker 3: Should because he was giving away money. He started doing that,
Speaker 3: they should have grabbed him and killed him.
Speaker 2: Well, he was. He was show signs of guilt at
Speaker 2: the table, but he was like, well, we could just
Speaker 2: take your cut. He was like, nah, too far. He's like, Lord,
Speaker 2: can find some good use for it, which is what
Speaker 2: he thought he was doing.
Speaker 1: Like it was to him it was blood money, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, Kirby just didn't get to him in time.
Speaker 2: Well, no, Kirby was right. Anthony wanted to go talk
Speaker 2: to him quick.
Speaker 1: He did.
Speaker 2: He grabbed that pin, they gave him a burger was over.
Speaker 1: She wanted to know boss, and they almost got away
Speaker 1: with it, and then we see Skips over dosed.
Speaker 2: I was white crazy scene that was watching Johnny Carson, which.
Speaker 1: You take the song tired of being along, you know,
Speaker 1: and use that and referenced to come from the war
Speaker 1: alone like man, just a small little thing, bro. But
Speaker 1: but I think I think Cleon's portrayal makes sense though,
Speaker 1: given his guilt that it was, Yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: he would have been it was giving out money too, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't a lot he was giving.
Speaker 2: Even told him that's too much like Skip.
Speaker 1: He was like, you said, it's still in free talks,
Speaker 1: and then that was it. I think at that point
Speaker 1: they get arrested because they were about to leave.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I just wish they would have got away, but it
Speaker 1: wouldn't have really made the larger point they were trying
Speaker 1: to make the movie, but but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they busted.
Speaker 1: And then you have the hallways scene, which I think
Speaker 1: is really dope when you take this black man in
Speaker 1: the middle surrounded by police guns pointed on them.
Speaker 3: That scene was so funny to me because if they
Speaker 3: were pointing their guns, there was people like putting their
Speaker 3: guns over the shoulders. I know, the cops point their guns.
Speaker 3: I'm like, bro, y'all chill out because if any of
Speaker 3: you fire, there's other cops on the other end. But
Speaker 3: that scene is still an iconic scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's definitely a reflection of it in
Speaker 1: that time and at times now a reflection of black men,
Speaker 1: you know, black people, you know in America, this whole
Speaker 1: system and institution which leads us to the courtroom.
Speaker 3: Wait, when Cuddy was trying to fight him off with
Speaker 3: a pool stick, Yeah yeah, yah, I'm like, bro, if
Speaker 3: you don't do because one, he didn't have no reason
Speaker 3: to pick a poo. They were leased, they was walking
Speaker 3: out the door. He just randomly picked up the pol.
Speaker 5: But he didn't see them yet. Mean, that's told him,
Speaker 5: he said, I don't think so. Yes, he picked it up,
Speaker 5: and he told him to run away.
Speaker 2: Him try to hold him off.
Speaker 5: But you're right about the pool stick. You might right
Speaker 5: about that. He have to pick up a stick, yeah,
Speaker 5: he I thought.
Speaker 4: I thought they were talking, and he picked it up,
Speaker 4: and they were doing they let's get out of here,
Speaker 4: and when as it were walking out, he picked it up.
Speaker 2: He picked it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when the cops were coming down the stairs, he
Speaker 3: grabbed the stick like he was going to use that.
Speaker 3: The fight got you, like, they have guns, dude.
Speaker 5: And why would you not think round y'all, one, leg
Speaker 5: y'all run. There was just a step too slow, step
Speaker 5: too slow.
Speaker 2: Man, and that could work to work too.
Speaker 1: But the courtroom scene, I think is a really interesting scene.
Speaker 1: And the ending of the movie. I think it's a
Speaker 1: real interesting scene and trying that the title of the
Speaker 1: movie where you have this guy basically pleading trying to use,
Speaker 1: you know, is his veteran status to gain favor and
Speaker 1: gave it, gave him life, and not only that, fussed
Speaker 1: that cut.
Speaker 2: Him off, Like, look, first of all, right, there I
Speaker 2: served as a marine and he's a disgrace. He said
Speaker 2: he served in the real war. That that part too
Speaker 2: was fucked up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it was just I thought that that line
Speaker 3: about I served in the real war was deep because
Speaker 3: the way that people looked at the Vietnam War is
Speaker 3: not really being a warm So I thought, actually, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: they even back then everyone was protesting the war because
Speaker 3: we had no business going over there. It was basically
Speaker 3: not basically it was kind of like the same sort
Speaker 3: of situation with like the Middle East and all that.
Speaker 3: They're like, why are y'all over there?
Speaker 2: So other veterans look at the veterans. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: That's why muhammad A want to go on all of you.
Speaker 2: I knew about the war.
Speaker 4: As far as the protesting people notting it, I didn't
Speaker 4: know within the community of veterans that they looked at
Speaker 4: that like fake boy.
Speaker 2: I thought they respected the war as war.
Speaker 3: No, they just mean it wasn't really a war. It
Speaker 3: was a fucking beat down America went over there and
Speaker 3: got their ask fucking with these goddamn viet Cong.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so.
Speaker 3: They I know, it just sounds weird.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so yeah, what he said, I was in
Speaker 2: the real war.
Speaker 1: He said, I have decency, dedication, and honor, And he
Speaker 1: said he gave him fifteen to life.
Speaker 2: This bro, he was so mad.
Speaker 3: Bro, what not all this motherfucking country man.
Speaker 4: Oh Man in the Judge of Famous acting play, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that was another under utilization.
Speaker 2: What's his name? He played the president?
Speaker 3: Saw it?
Speaker 2: He played the President and which I just saw it, Mike,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I saw last night, mar she Da Yeah, yep, yeah.
Speaker 2: But it's interesting.
Speaker 1: So but he's talking about, like again, you got to
Speaker 1: think about the opportunity that's afforded him, especially in the seventies.
Speaker 1: You can come back for war. You're one of the
Speaker 1: very few white people also that's able to come back
Speaker 1: for war to go on to be a judge. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of other white people that are still
Speaker 1: being shipped on as well. It's just for black people
Speaker 1: is definitely much harder. This was a man that was
Speaker 1: working for his country on light skip because Skip had
Speaker 1: all the money. Skip had every single damn government check
Speaker 1: you could think of, to mailbox three times a week,
Speaker 1: so he didn't really have to do it. So he
Speaker 1: was straight, but he paid for it because of the
Speaker 1: age of Orange, the addiction and stuff that he had,
Speaker 1: and you know, he lost his job through unfortunate circumstances
Speaker 1: because of the economy, and he resorted to a lot
Speaker 1: of this heights, so the opportunity were not there for him.
Speaker 1: And then at the end of the movie we see
Speaker 1: him on a bus going to jail with nothing but
Speaker 1: black people.
Speaker 2: Crazy enything, bro damn man at all? No, I think
Speaker 2: it was it was. It was. It was sad, it was,
Speaker 2: it was. It was an accurate depiction of and you
Speaker 2: think about like like.
Speaker 5: The nobody you get that off exactly, the added layer
Speaker 5: of dead presidents, right, because this country was set up by.
Speaker 1: Presidents that was built for white people, you know. So
Speaker 1: you have the title which has more than one meaning
Speaker 1: to it as well. So and then you end with
Speaker 1: the black people going to jail basically being institutionalized and
Speaker 1: being going back to uh plantation.
Speaker 2: Bro ship was great stop, Oh my god, last because
Speaker 2: this man right here, Yes, and I think I.
Speaker 1: Perfectly uh visualized and emphasized the point that they were
Speaker 1: trying to make.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was always a fucking slave man. He was
Speaker 3: a slave in the fucking white man's army. He was
Speaker 3: a slave in the hood.
Speaker 2: And what happened.
Speaker 3: No, that's been doing it all. It's just like right here,
Speaker 3: it's like why are you you have no fucking idea
Speaker 3: of personal space?
Speaker 1: Like, well, were you're done, might just real quick, underrated gym?
Speaker 1: Is this movie underrated gym or cult class?
Speaker 3: I think I could see it being labeled an underrated
Speaker 3: gym just because it really is a deep movie. And
Speaker 3: even with the heightst being so stupid, that still makes
Speaker 3: sense because they were all so desperate that they were
Speaker 3: just like, I'll give it a shot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's mislabeled as a heist movie. I don't think
Speaker 4: that's what it is. And I used to and that's
Speaker 4: what my issue is. Yeah, I used to look at
Speaker 4: it as like one of those bank robber movies. But
Speaker 4: now looking at it older, watching it this time, oh shit,
Speaker 4: this ain't even about that. I guess about just the
Speaker 4: whole like a coming of age story. Damn nearing how America.
Speaker 4: It was brilliant.
Speaker 2: I loved it on this watch.
Speaker 1: Last question. You can answer that if you wanted to.
Speaker 1: Do you think Dead Presidents get the recognition it deserves?
Speaker 5: I like, when I saw the reviews when we open up,
Speaker 5: I was like, I was really surprised that it had
Speaker 5: got rated as low as it was, because I never
Speaker 5: looked at it as a low rated movie. I thought
Speaker 5: I had my issues with it, sure, but and I'm
Speaker 5: just joking about the taller person of but but nah,
Speaker 5: Like I've always always been up there. It's always been
Speaker 5: one of those ones, like you know, to me, Like
Speaker 5: it's not like I said, quite boys in the hood
Speaker 5: and men's society.
Speaker 2: But I don't think it's that.
Speaker 5: I think after especially after reviewing, this is a lot
Speaker 5: deeper than that, and it touched on other things in
Speaker 5: our society and black and black folks. So I think
Speaker 5: it's an important movie in our history of black movie, especially.
Speaker 2: For you brothers. All Right, we'll leave it there.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 2: We appreciate you guys, and we'll cut you guys in
Speaker 2: next time. We off. Peace,