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Speaker 1: Whatever, everybody, and welcome to the France per Second Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Kenny, and stowing me on the show

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Speaker 1: is Rod, Spike and Mike Not that much, man, We

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Speaker 1: are here to talk about dead presidents. Yeah, dead presidents.

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Speaker 1: It's the thirtieth anniversary of this movie. It's crazy voted

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Speaker 1: by patrons, so thank you guys for that. And this

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Speaker 1: is interesting because I cannot tell you the last time

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Speaker 1: I have watched this movie.

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Speaker 2: When was the last time you guys watched this movie.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe early two thousands, possibly.

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Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, like we'll Rod said to you, it's been

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Speaker 4: at least fifteen because when did it release?

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Speaker 3: Five?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been twenty years. I've seen it since I've

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Speaker 5: been here, So that's what I'm saying. It had to

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Speaker 5: be like early two thousand. I'm not even I'm not

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Speaker 5: saying like two to oh one type ship?

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Speaker 2: Why is that? Why? Why? What?

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Speaker 3: Why?

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Speaker 2: Why? Why?

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Speaker 1: Is because I think, Okay, so I guess overall, like

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Speaker 1: it is viewed as a great like black movie right.

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Speaker 2: By black folks.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but I look back, man, reviews were bad

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Speaker 5: on this really.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like forty seven rings like.

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Speaker 4: Sixty I thought I thought this movie and I thought

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Speaker 4: it was considered like what we were talking about the

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Speaker 4: Hood last.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And IMDb had a stream though like at

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Speaker 5: a six something or whatever.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I didn't, I didn't know that. I

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Speaker 2: didn't know this movie was wasn't wasn't really that.

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Speaker 4: Reviewed what A movies like Boys in the Hood, and

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Speaker 4: I think it's high like New Jack City and.

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Speaker 2: That president is.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't put it in that in that lineup right

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Speaker 1: class would it wouldn't? I would with like Society Boys

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Speaker 1: in the Hood, it's probably it's not topping though.

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Speaker 2: I don't be on the list. No, I don't do.

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Speaker 2: I think that used to be like highly regarded in our.

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Speaker 5: Like it has iconic moments, but I don't like it

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Speaker 5: like how I like the Boys in the Hood or

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Speaker 5: a mens Society.

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Speaker 2: It's not the same for me.

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Speaker 3: And this movie is by the way, both for seven

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Speaker 3: point five and higher. Okay, so those movies are definitely

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Speaker 3: this was under This was like, it's a great movie,

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Speaker 3: but it ain't like Boys And.

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Speaker 4: I do remember as the last time I watched it,

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Speaker 4: I was like, it's kind of boring, but this time

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Speaker 4: I enjoyed it a lot more.

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Speaker 2: I was like, damn, I don't remember what are we

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Speaker 2: talking about? The movie?

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Speaker 3: A couple of names. I couldn't think I wouldn't we

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Speaker 3: talking about that president.

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Speaker 1: It took an hour to kind of set everything up,

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Speaker 1: but I thought there was a good setup there.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 4: I liked him, like I didn't remember liking I remember

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Speaker 4: liking the movie the first time I watched it.

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Speaker 2: Then I know I watched it. You know it's kind

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Speaker 2: of boring, But this time I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 4: I was like it was a dope setup like that,

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Speaker 4: like the relationship with him and the girl, like him

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Speaker 4: going to the army and them not being like.

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Speaker 2: All of them, all of this work.

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Speaker 1: It hits me, Yeah, correct me ifrom wrong because it's

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Speaker 1: it's been thirty years. But when this movie was released,

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Speaker 1: it was a movie that people were talking in our community.

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Speaker 2: Performance like all of this stuff.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he was good, but he was gread, not pooky,

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Speaker 4: but underrated bo kin wood by smoking.

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Speaker 1: That's why I some fries that like, it's not one

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Speaker 1: that people would at least I would pick up and

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Speaker 1: one to rewatch.

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Speaker 3: It's not nothing, there's no conclusion in anything. It just

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's the part I always the court House,

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Speaker 5: like I'm like, man like it. Even even when I

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Speaker 5: was younger, I just never liked that. I didn't like

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Speaker 5: the war part either, like.

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Speaker 2: Like the war part the best part of the movie.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because I don't know, It's like I started feeling like,

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Speaker 5: like what movie is this?

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Speaker 2: Like what movie am I watching? So it feels like

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Speaker 2: a like a breakup to me. It's like is this

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Speaker 2: a war movie? Is this? Is this? Is this a

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Speaker 2: bank heist? Is it a is it a what? Like that?

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Speaker 3: That's what I've always had, the issue black people trying

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Speaker 3: to survive.

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Speaker 2: It's like a coming of age.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, for sure that's what ultimately

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Speaker 5: is what Mike just said. But but yeah, I just

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Speaker 5: the break up just in't I didn't always feel it.

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Speaker 2: I didn't always feel the break in it like that.

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Speaker 2: With the war stuff.

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Speaker 3: I love that the war stuff because it really did

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Speaker 3: a good job of explaining why they're fucked up when

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Speaker 3: they came home. And then it really nails home the

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Speaker 3: whole thing with the government just not taking care of

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Speaker 3: for sure, and the fact that there wasn't even really

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Speaker 3: a reason for him.

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Speaker 1: To go well, so it wasn't because Isaiah Washington was

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Speaker 1: his brother.

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Speaker 2: I forgot his name, but.

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Speaker 1: He was kind of like the smarty one or whatever

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Speaker 1: he was gonna go. And Anthony we saw early on

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Speaker 1: like he was running numbers and stuff with Kirby who's

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Speaker 1: kind of served as a mentor with him and stuff

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Speaker 1: like that.

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Speaker 2: But jobs were scarred.

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Speaker 1: So I did look up, like just for historical contexts

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Speaker 1: about nineteen sixty eight, and they were just saying that,

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Speaker 1: you know, for black men like Curtis, Yeah, there wasn't

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Speaker 1: a reason for him to really go, but he didn't

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Speaker 1: really have a lot of options, you know, so they

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Speaker 1: said higher education was off the financially outreach, which is

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Speaker 1: crazy how.

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Speaker 2: Much time changed.

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Speaker 1: Skilled labor jobs were vanishing or inaccessible due to discrimination,

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Speaker 1: and military service was the way out for black people,

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Speaker 1: you know. So that's what he did and went.

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Speaker 4: Because did Dizzel character do that too? You know when

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Speaker 4: we watched what's the movie we just watched when he'd

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Speaker 4: like in the army as well? Dizzel character was it

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Speaker 4: we just watched with Denzel Lewis though, the whole movie

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Speaker 4: that we just did. What were you asked, what's the question?

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Speaker 4: Did he go to the army two? For similar reasons,

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Speaker 4: and that's how he got his house in California.

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Speaker 3: You're talking about the Devil and Blue Death.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Think the scenario from you here, I mean ship, I

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Speaker 1: know a kid right now that's probably gonna end up

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Speaker 1: doing the same thing, you know, because it's like, well

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Speaker 1: what else I got you?

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Speaker 2: And he didn't want to go to school.

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Speaker 5: Listen to Furious Man, But you said something I don't

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Speaker 5: think everybody else heard was yeah, they were drafting around

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Speaker 5: at Vietnam time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, and so because we you know, in the beginning,

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Speaker 1: we kind of introduced all the guys and skip Chris

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Speaker 1: Tucker's character was kind of joking with Jose even though

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Speaker 1: he called him Joe.

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Speaker 2: What's the name, joseh Joe? He probably just called him, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that sounds like somebody Joe.

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Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, he was kind of joking was going to

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Speaker 1: get drafted because they were still in school or whatever.

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Speaker 1: So they spent like first twenty some minutes kind of

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Speaker 1: introduced us to all of them, the relationship between them

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And uh, and we spent a

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Speaker 1: lot of time with with Anthony. You know, yeah, he

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Speaker 1: was a milk person, right, he was dropping milk off.

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Speaker 1: We saw the relationship with that the interest that Delilah

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Speaker 1: and it's Juanita, you know, both were coming.

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Speaker 2: To the damn door.

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Speaker 1: M you know, you know, and uh we saw him.

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Speaker 1: The Terrence Howard was there.

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Speaker 2: I can't remember his name.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember his name either.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't either. But he was like, man, yeah, yeah, yeah, they.

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Speaker 3: Just say Terrence Howard because he plays the same Come on, man,

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Speaker 3: how are you gonna play me in pool?

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Speaker 6: Man?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're playing pool. He's like, yeah, I bet you

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Speaker 1: two dollars. You can take your money bit Jim Pool,

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Speaker 1: you know. And then he was like hey man, you

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Speaker 1: know he was real shy reserve. It's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: you kind of bet me too. But I don't think

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Speaker 1: he did, did he? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I thought that. I thought that bet was with Kirby.

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Speaker 2: He didn't bet.

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Speaker 3: I think the bet was automatically.

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Speaker 2: With Cowboy was his name, Cowboy.

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Speaker 3: The bet was with both of them, so it.

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Speaker 2: Was a four dollar bet. Then I think the rules

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Speaker 2: of the pool is if we're playing, we bet.

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Speaker 3: You noticed automatically. Yeah, Curtis added on to the bet

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Speaker 3: because he was like, I bet you two dollars, he

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Speaker 2: You, Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I actually whip up

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Speaker 2: on all the cats too, and I was not not

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Speaker 2: for money, but just bragging.

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Speaker 1: Right, What did you guys think about Kirby, like overall

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Speaker 1: his influence on him just in general.

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Speaker 5: I like it, you know, I like to I thought

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Speaker 5: he was like a five new pigs, like he didn't

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Speaker 5: want him to be getting too much trouble, but just

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Speaker 5: showing the ropes type thing.

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Speaker 4: M hmm yeah, people like it were around. I was

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Speaker 4: boring up character a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: He's a good actor too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he is. He old. I forget his name too,

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Speaker 2: but I do like him though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Keith David Yeah yeah. Another another good scene,

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Speaker 1: that scene we remember, I think we talked about was

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Speaker 1: when he went to.

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Speaker 3: Money put his legs wrong legs, motherfucker ship. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't he laid down that woman. I was like, god, man.

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Speaker 2: That they got my heart husband. Yeah, God, he took

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Speaker 2: his fight. He fell on the ground and rolled over

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Speaker 2: to the pistol.

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Speaker 3: Put the pistol.

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Speaker 2: Hald my goddamn money.

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Speaker 3: I was dying to get that.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: That's very similar to that ship that that that the

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Speaker 5: video that was fluming around.

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Speaker 2: The handicapped dude that was fighting, remember, had no legs fighting.

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Speaker 2: I said that to the group it was on the

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Speaker 2: install It's.

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Speaker 5: Kind of similar to that you ask by somebody like

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Speaker 5: that beat with the legs, but they're strong.

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Speaker 2: It don't matter, dog like, No, it don't matter. I

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Speaker 2: don't matter. Bro, you can't get your ass. You can't

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Speaker 2: get your ass bea by somebody. They got no legs, kid,

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I ain't no way, no way, I'm not coming back outside.

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Speaker 3: How did he kicked?

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Speaker 2: As because the dude on that video didn't have no

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Speaker 2: like did you get it kick? Yeah, the dude on

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Speaker 2: the video didn't have no legs. I would imagine if

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Speaker 3: Why did he go to the military. What was he

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Speaker 4: Now that we know how good of an actor Isaiah

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Speaker 4: But Isaiah Washington got washed. I thought he was he

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Speaker 2: The signs of paperwork that was predatory. Damn yeah, Washington. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Oh and then like he told Monique about it, and

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Speaker 4: That's why you don't be That's what he said. I said,

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Speaker 1: But anyway, but yeah, I Washton got kicked off for sure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, just was it Grays Anatomy.

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Speaker 2: He messed up that money. Bro still would have been

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Speaker 2: Gaze anatomy. Fuck y'all. But yeah, he wasn't. He was in.

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Speaker 4: He wasn't poetic just and p Valley.

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Speaker 3: some ship you would love. What are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: You probably don't like.

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Speaker 5: You probably don't like the other the the main guy.

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Speaker 2: That's probably what it is, but I that ain't. I

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Speaker 1: Jose was after and it blamed Skill for it. He

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Speaker 1: and they had old conversation about like going to war

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Speaker 1: I thought they did a good job of capturing that

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Speaker 4: He couldn't leave, He couldn't get out of it. Bro

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Speaker 1: No, they went they went at it twice and then

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Speaker 5: Stood like like the month time lapse that you know,

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Speaker 4: It was supposed to just it's supposed to just be

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Speaker 4: one time. I think, to where's point they alluded to?

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Speaker 4: They kept Yeah, they kept sucking. I thought too, it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, they did it twice because he was like,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, we're gonna go again. What I'm saying is

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Speaker 4: I think that's what turned third in the fifth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what That's what I got.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so deep sleep.

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Speaker 2: But I like that. You know, he was crying and

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Speaker 2: what need us? And I wait for you and you know.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, what did you guys think about Chris Tucker

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Speaker 1: as comedic relief?

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Speaker 2: I thought he was. He was great, man. I can't

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Speaker 5: I didn't need he did it really because this before

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Speaker 3: He was he was playing Smokey he was, which Smokey

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Speaker 2: I was surprised Friday came out in.

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Speaker 1: and of course it was like you said earlier, they

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Speaker 2: He just kind of went with it. But you can

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Speaker 3: My uncle was a pip. He's out in the fields

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Speaker 2: He said about always having the holes like, so that

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Speaker 4: I can't think of what it was he said, but

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Speaker 3: But when he when he when it came time to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's when we went to the war, uh

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Speaker 2: He was going to Hunter College and Heed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, he flunked out of Hunter College, so he

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Speaker 1: ended up joining the recontent they were having that conversation,

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Speaker 1: Anthony and Skipp had that conversation because we didn't know

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Speaker 2: Hell, why is he doing that?

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Speaker 1: And then they did the whole warship and then we

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Speaker 4: So I love how he was to get and then

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Speaker 4: they showed his personality change post war and then on

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Speaker 1: Part of it, Like he did a really good job

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Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, how did you guys, What did you

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Speaker 5: So so that's that again. I know I was the

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Speaker 2: Like, I just didn't.

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Speaker 1: I didn't like, I think, blow all of this ride

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Speaker 5: I think I already got that context when I when

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Speaker 5: though right, well, weren't not in nineteen ninety because there

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Speaker 2: I could have I mean, you have Platoon. I don't

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you have to presumed you had a few good men,

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Speaker 5: Like it's like my idea of war.

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Speaker 2: But it's already that the intention.

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Speaker 3: People watching those glory black people.

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Speaker 2: Are watching on the battlefield.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but I already had that idea that they

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Speaker 2: Stress stress. I really think this stress or to understand

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Speaker 1: I think you really need just to understand and I

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Speaker 2: The back end part of the movie.

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Speaker 5: Yes, it felt like a different movie than me. And

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Speaker 4: I think to me that was part of the brilliance

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Speaker 4: and then we go back and then we show how

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Speaker 4: you to like drug addiction. I think it was really

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Speaker 4: good because that used to irritate me at first, but

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Speaker 4: watching it this time made me appreciate it because they

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Speaker 4: I ain't gonna say they was living like a perfect life,

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Speaker 4: but they had they were in the community, like he

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Speaker 4: out of it and threw into a white man's war.

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Speaker 2: I get it, I get it.

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Speaker 5: I just felt like it ran a little too long

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Speaker 5: for me, Like yeah, yeah, it just it just felt

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Speaker 5: only what he went through personally, but witness and others.

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Speaker 2: Cleon was a preacher's son, be headed a person and carriage.

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Speaker 3: That that seems like a different movie than me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think it was supposed to the exactly because because

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Speaker 3: went back just like they had And I just didn't

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Speaker 3: like that for me a YouTube video you watched me, No,

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Speaker 3: I just was that was good.

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Speaker 4: I was surprised, like I didn't remember liking it this

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Speaker 4: much like I watched it this time, and that's what

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Speaker 4: I was like, Damn, this was really And we.

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Speaker 3: Have to kill one of his fellow soldiers, yes, because

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Speaker 3: he was begging to die.

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Speaker 2: You know who that was? Right? Who did Embrigio? Oh?

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Speaker 4: Michael Imperioli from Sopranos, Christopher Christal Oh.

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Speaker 2: Dying right, just like that too.

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Speaker 1: But but you see Cleon, Cleon became a completely different person.

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Speaker 2: That was the only way for him to survive.

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Speaker 1: Skip. We see our Skip ended up on drugs because

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Speaker 1: that was his way of coping.

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Speaker 2: And then he had hr V that was flying Agent orange. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was Agent Orange. Wait HIV winning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't catch you either, know about this.

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Speaker 2: Chris Tucker is a character. He said. I caught him

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Speaker 2: over there.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, he was talking about he was talking about

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Speaker 5: like his blood cells are different Agent Orange.

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Speaker 1: I only know because I looked it up when I

449
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 1: was preparing for the show, and they said it was

450
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 1: a chemical substance.

451
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 2: Agent orange is what he had.

452
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 3: Never I just didn't think that.

453
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:23,120
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is.

454
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a damn, I'll be quiet. Yeah, I

455
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 3: know how you knew. It's like.

456
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 2: It was way too close to Agent Orange, not HIV.

457
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,679
Speaker 5: No, no, okay, I don't even HV because he was

458
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,439
Speaker 5: he said he was sucking people and all.

459
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 2: That, and well that's the them in the boom or

460
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:54,440
Speaker 2: whatever he said.

461
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 3: I can see that making sense why you're thinking.

462
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but yeah, only that's at least that's what

463
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 1: what I what I read is they said that he

464
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: had and that was a kind of thing that was

465
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 1: going on, this chemical warfare that was going on. I thought,

466
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: like you two, that it was PTSD, Anthony had PTSD,

467
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 1: Skip had a different issue, which was the agent orange stuff.

468
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 3: They made that clear then, because they they didn't. I

469
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 3: didn't ever think it.

470
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 2: Was agent I didn't either, and they never said anything.

471
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 3: I would have thought HIV too.

472
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, h whatever popped in my head at all.

473
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 2: They said they didn't know what it was. And this

474
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 2: is like what seventies or something like that.

475
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like they came back in seventy three,

476
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: seventy two.

477
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 3: And why only did he get it because agent orange

478
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 3: that it was usually everybody around you.

479
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty sure other people got it. But and

480
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 1: I didn't look up to see where they got there from.

481
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 2: Why they even how they even know that?

482
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: Because initially I wrote down when he said, yeah, I

483
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 1: got some shit, I don't even know what it was.

484
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 1: I thought he was talking about mentally PTSD, And I

485
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 1: looked up when was PTSD officially dot It was nineteen

486
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: it was around the eighties, nineteen eighties, so so I

487
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, then that would make sense for them

488
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 1: to not be able to classify of you know, but

489
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 1: then they say agent Ona Like okay.

490
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 2: But I just didn't bothered.

491
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 1: Digging into it because the movie didn't really spend a

492
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: lot of time with it.

493
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 2: It was just he just said it.

494
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,719
Speaker 3: This says that he was talking about getting fucked up

495
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 3: on drugs. M This says that the disease he was

496
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 3: talking about was a heroin addiction.

497
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 2: But this is also yeah, I mean, we know he

498
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 2: had a heroin addiction, but he was talking about something else.

499
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 2: It seemed like he was very clear about like it was.

500
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 3: But he could he could have started doing heroin over there,

501
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 3: Well he was doing drugs, Well, think about it. In

502
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 3: the hood, dudes weren't doing heroin. So maybe he got

503
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 3: hooked on heroin while he was in the.

504
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: But I think it was already established that he was

505
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: a drug addict. And then it seemed like he was

506
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: speaking about something something separately. Maybe, but I again, they

507
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: they just kind of said it and moved on. Yeah,

508
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 1: the one thing we saw over and over again was

509
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: that he was just on drugs. I mean the first

510
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: time we seen when we were back with him, is

511
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: that he just sending them shaking and shit Wikipedia, I

512
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: think he had agent Warrens on there, but you know

513
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: you can have you know, you know. But anyway, but

514
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: I think with the war scene, it was just it

515
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 1: was a lot that happened. We saw a dude bump

516
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: explode basically blow up. We saw Skip just shell shot

517
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: like he couldn't even fucking move.

518
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 5: Look, it was done very well, like this Warship was

519
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 5: done very well. Like I said, it just felt like

520
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 5: a whole nother movie. It was done that well to me,

521
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 5: like the whole movie could have been about that.

522
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

523
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 3: It felt like two different movies.

524
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and kind of Spike saying like even his mom

525
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 1: where Anthony was talking, where he had to detach from everything,

526
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 1: like even he wouldn't even look at his daughter because

527
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: he was like the only way he's the only way

528
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: I've been able to survive here in.

529
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 2: Twenty six months.

530
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: It's just like nothing ever exists and and yeah, been

531
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:05,479
Speaker 1: in the bush. But but yeah, but anyway, was there

532
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: was there anything during the war scene that stood out

533
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: to you guys, any memorable moments.

534
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 3: The head Dave Chapelle not want to put the head away.

535
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: He was right though that he did bring him looks

536
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: unless he got rid of it.

537
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 3: And he got rid of it. That motherfucker got blown up

538
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 3: and then once his face got shot.

539
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I bet that's stunk, like holy hell. Yeah yeah yeah.

540
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 3: He was one of my favorite characters.

541
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 5: Man, I like to it is he always inderrated. I

542
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 5: think be kean wood Mine isn't underrated.

543
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he was shooting dead bro and then

544
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: he took the Dugans I think the sergeant to heart.

545
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, just taking the supernirs, like he

546
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 1: walked through to somebody, just shot somebody.

547
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 2: B he was yeah, yeah, wow yeah in his book

548
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 2: bag and just this dude is crazy.

549
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah that was that was That was That was

550
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 1: pretty pretty intense.

551
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 2: And then that was the black Man Go Home propaganda

552
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 2: fly that.

553
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 3: Was going on time, but that was like a real thing.

554
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 4: And drop them in the battlefield yea, they that in

555
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 4: that war.

556
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, but you just.

557
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: Saw like the things that they had to do to survive,

558
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: like their loss of innocence because I remember these are kids,

559
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, they're sort of moral decay with cleon and

560
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: just their coping mechanisms that when we come back home

561
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy three. Also in nineteen seventy one, Marvin

562
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: Gay wrote What's going on? That's playing in some of

563
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: the songs too, So they come back two years later.

564
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 2: This school about this was great.

565
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 5: That's one of my most memorable things about that Presidents

566
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 5: is the soundtrack.

567
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 4: Yep, I remember I found some old songs, like my

568
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 4: first time watching.

569
00:26:52,760 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: We People who Are Darkening Blue Curtis Mayfield that one. Yeah, yeah,

570
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: but we get back in nineteen seventy three. Man, you know, hey,

571
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: I guess Cleon had already made back. That also took

572
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: photos and stuff and Cleon puts it, I guess on

573
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: his face or whatever. But they come back home skips

574
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: an addict Jose's of Power Maniac.

575
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 2: He blew up his hand? Uh what was up that? Did?

576
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 3: That only confuse me? It was okay, he blew up

577
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 3: his hands. That was Was that supposed to be a

578
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 3: fake hand?

579
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: It was supposed to be but he was moving the

580
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 2: hell out of it.

581
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 3: Was drink drink with it.

582
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was supposed to be a prosthetic.

583
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 3: I was confused. Did he just burn the hand up

584
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 3: or was the hand supposed to be completely gone? And

585
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 3: that was face.

586
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 5: So it's like it's like it was two different things.

587
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 5: Like at first it was fake, but then later it

588
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 5: like it was just burned up.

589
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 2: Because he showed it to him, He's like, what it

590
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: looked looked fake?

591
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, look later on when he was drinking a drink,

592
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 3: it's burned up. It just looked burned up. So that

593
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, no, hand was like one. But I

594
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 3: think that's Matt might be just a plot apply what's

595
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: it called like whatever, like like if I'm a stake, Like, yeah,

596
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 3: I think so. I think it started off as a

597
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 3: prosthetic and then later it.

598
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 2: Just was hand.

599
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 3: I think he forgot because remember the card.

600
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 2: That it wasn't supposed to be in the car? Didn't

601
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: he set it on fire? I think he said one

602
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: of his fingers on fire, put yours out walked a

603
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 2: pretty big mistake.

604
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was confused by that too, but I

605
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: just kind of let it go because you know, but yeah,

606
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: because he had that gun at the.

607
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 5: End, like he had to shoot the ship.

608
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 2: I'm telling you that.

609
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, they probably started off as a crossteady.

610
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: Hand and it's like later, well this ain't gonna work.

611
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: We need to make it a burn hend because he

612
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: even had to do the barn thing. He wouldn't you

613
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: can't do one hand?

614
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, and Cleon went went and became a preacher.

615
00:28:52,440 --> 00:29:00,479
Speaker 1: So anything notable about their post war transformations, uh, that

616
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: was yeah, that.

617
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 3: Was just like, man, he is really doing a good

618
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: fucking jomb man. He went from like Talking Ship but

619
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: being like this playful guy to Talking Ship being this

620
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 3: borderline scary.

621
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: Guy, insane person. Yeah.

622
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 4: I love how like he deflated. He was when he

623
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 4: ran up on my high excited with hey mareen, and

624
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 4: then he he was like, oh man, it was just

625
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 4: he was genuine sadness from Rinz take care.

626
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: So I liked that a lot.

627
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And in four years Kirby was playing the cops.

628
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: The cops you know, of course, you know, tried to

629
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: check him down more money.

630
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 2: He just said fuck it.

631
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: He said, I'm not gonna pay for the kids college twitch.

632
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: So you know, he just kind of was hanging around

633
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: because he thought he was gonna go back to it

634
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: because he can't find work.

635
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: He's unemployed.

636
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: He can't find work, you know, and he's a war hero.

637
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: But them motherfuckers that don't care about it, like you know,

638
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: cowboy was just kind of mocking and making fun of

639
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: him and ship like that. Yeah, he Hey, Rod, did

640
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: they use spight Lee sitting at the shot when he

641
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: was going to see Kirby for the first time.

642
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: Wasn't even like it?

643
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 3: He was floating, Yeah, y'all biting bro.

644
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 5: It wasn't quite spike Lye shot, but it was very yeah, okay, right, the.

645
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: Little dolly move.

646
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 5: But yeah, you got that's his signature that he goes

647
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:28,959
Speaker 5: to Juana though, and she's running around with Cudding.

648
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: Mike was Wasanita wrong? It was Anthony wrong to leave

649
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: when he saw that roach walking on the wall.

650
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 3: No, I'd have left to the nasty ass. Eper, I'd

651
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 3: have fucking left. He got my kid up here as

652
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 3: a fucking roach walking around your nasty ass. I'm like

653
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 3: a worry about Cuddy right now?

654
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: What the.

655
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 3: I was disgusted.

656
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: And they had the sound effects of it.

657
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you know, it's been great about it.

658
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 4: Nasty as was that after he pulled up on him,

659
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 4: After Cutty pulled up on him though in the car.

660
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because because she kept trying to introduce him

661
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: to Cudding.

662
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 3: None of that ship he did. What did you can

663
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 3: roll up on the lollipop though, and they zoomed in

664
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: on you like a lot.

665
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 5: Of talk ship you could pulled up and gave his

666
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 5: girl to one of the dollars. Dude pressing, Yeah, like

667
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 5: press on.

668
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was real, he was really so when she's hooking,

669
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: I think I don't think she was.

670
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 5: I think he just you know, yeah, it was just Yeah,

671
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 5: he's a little little little daughter.

672
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: And I'm mad too, Yeah, already to be mad. But

673
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: she hadn't heard from him.

674
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 3: I don't give a funk. You got my daughter around him.

675
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: Now you got a right back woman. Tell you she

676
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: prayed shot raise, you got my daughter.

677
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: I don't even know what. You don't know what?

678
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 3: You know that by Pimby And the second that kid

679
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: gets sixteen, what you think is gonna happen? He's gonna

680
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 3: try to engage.

681
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: It's not in the long term plan. You gotta trying

682
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: to figure it out.

683
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 3: Figure right how to get my daughter wake from upim.

684
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: The right of this was good because you can see

685
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: it both ways.

686
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 3: You can you can see it both ways, especially when

687
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 3: what happened later.

688
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because he first man a lot of got

689
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: the throw going, and she's basically telling me that he's

690
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: being brainwashing like that.

691
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: I like her. I like, yeah, yeah, she was under

692
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: developed though, tell you that, you know that's funny. I

693
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: had a question about that she was under developed. I

694
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: think they could have did more with her.

695
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 3: I thought her inclusion was perfect.

696
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: No, the inclusion was great, but I just feel like

697
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: they could have did more.

698
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, we also saw cow Boy thought that this was

699
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: the same old Anthony.

700
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: Why Bro, Bro, these guys are freaking killers.

701
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 3: Bro didn't notice his mustache, that's the problem. Mother fucking

702
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 3: like that. Come back with a mustache like that.

703
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 5: Don't say you don't trust the black man with just

704
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 5: a mustache. Terren Tower should have know heard.

705
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: Mother got a mustache?

706
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 3: Bro?

707
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: Right, he whooped his ass?

708
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 5: He did.

709
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 4: He don't play with me, Bro. This man was in

710
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 4: the Vietnam War. He kills people and came back. Yeah

711
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 4: he made it.

712
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: If he made it back, you know, he a bad motherfucker.

713
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: Didn't make it back light skin like that with.

714
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: A curly little privilege right with a pool stick?

715
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: God damn ye was that his baby? Was that Cuddy baby?

716
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 3: That was his baby?

717
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: I think it was his baby, that was his baby.

718
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was because Cuddy. It kind of

719
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 3: implied that Cuddy came around later, but who knows, who knows?

720
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: Who knows? I see why you would ask that.

721
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 2: He was asking that, and I thought, I don't think.

722
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a fair question though the way Cuddy

723
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 3: was act, that's a fair question.

724
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Remember Yeah, five months later, she's pregnant.

725
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: She's on his ass about getting a better job, like

726
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: she is like laying into him.

727
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 3: Oh you're talking about the second baby. Yeah, oh I

728
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 3: never even thought. I thought about the first baby, the first.

729
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: The first one was here is the second one? Like,

730
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: I don't know, was Cuddy still around?

731
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 4: He know, he was like, you lay with me? But

732
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 4: where you go when I ain't around? And she admitted

733
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 4: to us, well, I don't know if she was just

734
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 4: mad or what, but she was like yeah, I'm fucking.

735
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, because remember she was crazy. Yeah, he had the job.

736
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: Then he got the guy to close on the shop.

737
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 1: He lost his job, which leads to how we got

738
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 1: to the whole seeing and stuff like that. Even prior

739
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 1: to that, we saw Jose Joe cut Kirby and Anthony

740
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: Ryan around in the car basically talking about this whole thing.

741
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,959
Speaker 2: Seems like a dumb play. It did listening to this.

742
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 4: Dumb playing poorly executed like this was man everything they

743
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 4: got they deserve, Like, Bro, you.

744
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: Said, you don't know what they listened too.

745
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, just because you were in in the military don't

746
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 3: mean you're sucking some kind of tactical genius. And the

747
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 3: and the way he was laying it out, I'm like,

748
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 3: y'all listen to this fool.

749
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: Though they had to be tactical in his unit, it

750
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 2: seemed okay.

751
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: The second he said, look, we're gonna put white makeup

752
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: on our faces, I'm like, you know, we're not listening

753
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 3: to you. You're stupid. You're fucking stupid. We're gonna put

754
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 3: white makeup on our face and then run away. You

755
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 3: gonna who's not gonna see you with.

756
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: A white white face with a black.

757
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 3: Man in the hood running around with white makeup on.

758
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: It, like moms. Not practical yet the idea was good,

759
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 2: just the plan was done.

760
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 3: Just get a mask, get a mask, and have a

761
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 3: better plans, That's what I'm saying. Why they listening to him?

762
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 5: And its like it took a lot of time to

763
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 5: apply that look, Like.

764
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder what was the idea? I need to

765
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: read up on that, Like why did they go that

766
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 2: route with the.

767
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 3: Military, because military does not like that though, not like that.

768
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, but Anthony was going through it.

769
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: He was having uh nightmares and ship waking up and

770
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: I needed was so damn fucking dirty, bro.

771
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 3: What she wants some dig he wouldn't give it to her.

772
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 5: It's not that because I'm pregnant. Yeah, it's not that far.

773
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: It was when he lost his job and he came

774
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: home and he was he was he was walking.

775
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: U GK. Bro, and he's walking He's walking up. See.

776
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: He like to blame me, but he prolo gave him

777
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 2: the food.

778
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: The food he walking home and Cuddy walking out the

779
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: damn building.

780
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, Cuddy smacked the ship out.

781
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,959
Speaker 5: Of that It was so cold it was I thought

782
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 5: he was really about to walk off.

783
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 2: You can't trust he did.

784
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 3: Like with bride knuckle.

785
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he turned around and yeah with the ship.

786
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Cuddy was was was validated in that in

787
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 3: that punch.

788
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: You think so he was. He was talking mass ship, bro.

789
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 3: But Cuddy wasn't. At first. He was just like he man,

790
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: if you ever need something, man.

791
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 7: Was it was how he was saying that he was talking,

792
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 7: but damn b he was he was talked to another

793
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 7: grown man like that exactly.

794
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: He's talking to him like broken, not you're gonna take

795
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 2: care of me. You can't do it?

796
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 3: You got or not?

797
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 6: Bro?

798
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 2: Hey, he's like little man. I know how proud he is.

799
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 3: He was trying to give him some game that was

800
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 3: that was, yeah.

801
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: Your girl in the last time.

802
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 3: And then how that scene in the show that right,

803
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: like how she fucked you, How she sucked you? She

804
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 3: wasn't doing that before. Man, open them my fucking.

805
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: Spell, bro, he did he heard that?

806
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 3: This man talked to me like that. I don't give

807
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 3: a take your ass back over there.

808
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 2: Hey.

809
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 4: The face paint was a not to Vietnam protests, particularly

810
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 4: black veterans protesting the one seventy one.

811
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: Because fighting the white man's war. And I guess put

812
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: it on the white white damn.

813
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 3: That's that's why he got rated low because all the

814
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 3: white people were like, this is white face and this

815
00:38:59,239 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 3: is racist.

816
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, but he was so good man power, That's

817
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: that's that's the actor, the power. He was great. He

818
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: was a rock. Yeah, that's great. He was great. I'm sorry.

819
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 4: I thought this was it represented characters delusionment and anger

820
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 4: at the system that had filled them, both veterans and

821
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 4: black men.

822
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool. So after he got his as smacked

823
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: down by a pimp down the stairs, all the meat

824
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: fell out by that was a problem. That wouldn't that. Yeah,

825
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: it wasn't really checking that.

826
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 3: We're gonna keep that in. He's like, I suht that.

827
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 2: That's why it was tearing, right, he was.

828
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 8: He was hurt for real, and then he gotta deal

829
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 8: with dude talk about open. He was hurt for real,

830
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 8: shooting all his decisions, shoot me and that was that was.

831
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: And after all that, you go in the house and

832
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: this woman is man giving it to him.

833
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: She said, the only time I can hold you is

834
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: when you have no bro or however, she said that

835
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: she was so fucked up bro.

836
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 2: She was right.

837
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 3: I don't know because because PTSD people didn't understand it yet.

838
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 3: So all she knew is he wasn't having sex with her.

839
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 3: He wasn't being like emotional with her. I can imagine

840
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 3: that she gets tiring.

841
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, true, but you broke, and you broke and came

842
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 2: on the job, she said. She said, you're gonna get

843
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 2: that money back.

844
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 5: She was like, even if I wanted to give it back,

845
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 5: what do you mean you want if you want to right,

846
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 5: not giving that.

847
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 2: Money back your girl give you back.

848
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: First of all, you can't make your girl do ship.

849
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 3: But as I wouldn't even ask Ken, no.

850
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, he kind of need that money.

851
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 6: You need the money the baby didn't need, especially since

852
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 6: you spilled on them damn groceries falling down the fucking stairs.

853
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 6: You clearly need that money about give it back that?

854
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? And so I so, I don't know if you

855
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 2: were talking about earlier.

856
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if she was just saying that to

857
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: piss him off about sleeping with But I couldn't tell Spice.

858
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 2: She took a little step too far. That's what made

859
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 2: him snap. Yeah what did she say?

860
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 3: I can't remember.

861
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: So she said, uh, yeah, I'm fucking if that's what

862
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: you want to hear. So I was, I don't know

863
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: a woman be slick with that ship the.

864
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 2: Ship.

865
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, up, am fucking he's better than you with your fucking.

866
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: Ye.

867
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 2: Yes, she was cussing him out. Brother, man. Black women

868
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: cuts you out as different different that I don't know.

869
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: It's just they go to the depths of hell like

870
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: they going to the depth.

871
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 4: You'll be thinking about it three four days like I

872
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 4: believe he said that, God damn, you won't funk me.

873
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: The only time I get the hold waking up and

874
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 2: coase bro that was that that was a good thing.

875
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 2: And then uh, but but she regretted that ship. He

876
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: went too far.

877
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 3: He talked her like three times.

878
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 2: She wouldn't let it go, let it go, like, don't

879
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 2: you leave.

880
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 9: Anthony's acting in these were like power lefl this some

881
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 9: type ghosts right here.

882
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 5: Man.

883
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: You know the the contrast between the two because at

884
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: that point then he goes he runs into the snake

885
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: Turner Cadre and some guy gave him a flower, and

886
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: then he ran into Delia Delilah that the Yes, that

887
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: was a sister who was a black revolutionary.

888
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: I thought the contrast.

889
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: Between the two sisters interesting ones a black revolution and

890
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: the others messing around with a pimp.

891
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, they meet and hook him. I thought

892
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: they were going to hook up.

893
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: I didn't thought they the way I thought they did.

894
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 3: I feel like that's a missing scene somewhere. Yeah, I

895
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 3: thought they did. Seems like right, I feel like I

896
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 3: thought the impression was he hooked. They must have cut

897
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 3: that part out. Yeah that I'm saying. I think they

898
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 3: might have filmed that and just didn't put it in

899
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 3: there for whatever. They didn't want to make him seem

900
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 3: like an over bad guy.

901
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

902
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 5: I think that's probably because, Yeah, that's what it was

903
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 5: a little because she kissed him in when he came

904
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 5: back from from.

905
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 2: The war, like there you go, welcome back. Yeah that

906
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 2: was weird too, where you got surprised she joined the heist.

907
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 3: Yeah that was well, she was in that made it

908
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 3: didn't really make any sense.

909
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, again like underdeveloped for me, And that was what

910
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:04,959
Speaker 2: made me think that he hooked up with her because

911
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: she was like why would else would she be there?

912
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 5: That would and he was really hurt, not saying that

913
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 5: he shouldn't be hurt. Yeah, way he was holding and

914
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 5: the emotion that's saying I think something they deleted the same. Yeah,

915
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 5: that would make sense.

916
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: You guys talking about the execution of this whole thing,

917
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: and then prior to that there planning the whole thing

918
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: out and Craby was like, we need another guy. I

919
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: can't remember why, but they decided to go get Cleon.

920
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: That's when the rest of the viewers that.

921
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: Is a preacher.

922
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 4: They needed somebody that lies on the corner. Yeah, they

923
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 4: needed they probably another person. Yeah, because he was a junkie,

924
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 4: but he ended up being the one that was saved

925
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 4: that he was going to do that.

926
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but you gotta talking about the heights and spike.

927
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: You said it was stupid. It looked it looked like.

928
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,919
Speaker 1: They had this ship planned out, bro, the guy under

929
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: under the Great or whatever that ship. Look, I thought

930
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: that was that was that was I thought it was stupid.

931
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 4: How they like blew the whole truck, this whole Yeah,

932
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 4: he putting on he's a power Yeah, so the plant

933
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 4: was just to blow off the dope.

934
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

935
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he's he's gone right right, you know from

936
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 4: the war. Okay, so you just and then you had

937
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 4: them to you had them to look out in the

938
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 4: d the cop messed it up.

939
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 2: And the cop messed up because he was a fellow.

940
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: They never planned for him. Yeah, they never planned for him.

941
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 2: I feel like he could have killed that conversation. Though

942
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 2: he didn't do a good job.

943
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 3: How well you have two military guys, I could have

944
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: just ye my face, bro, my homebody can pick me up,

945
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 3: don't worry.

946
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, he told him, he told the bad live.

947
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 1: I waited for the bus, right, but we found out

948
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: the reason why he was being so helpful was because

949
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: of what ro military.

950
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,959
Speaker 2: That's what they do. How did you know that marine

951
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: had a patch on Jack? So he just worked the

952
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: wrong outfit. That was good writing that. I was okay

953
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 2: because he was.

954
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: Really trying to be helpful. And then uh, and then

955
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: everything went down. But what about Delilah's death?

956
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: Was that predictable coming?

957
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: No?

958
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: When I first watched this, I didn't know she was

959
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna die like that.

960
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 4: Nobody had to die, So yeah, I thought it was

961
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 4: gonna be smoking, Yeah, smoking ship, That's what I thought.

962
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: That's not there.

963
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I thought when she jumped up out of

964
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 5: the track carbage, it's one of the most iconic.

965
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was fire.

966
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 5: That was fire cinema, I think, like, yeah, not even

967
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 5: just on some black ship, but the ship just looked.

968
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: Gangster the fact man.

969
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, Cleon talking about skip and he wanted to

970
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: ended up freezing up.

971
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, but nah, this this whole thing with the

972
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: ship quick and uh but they got away. Dela got shot,

973
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 2: Jose almost got away.

974
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 3: And what's his face got shot?

975
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 4: Took Yeah, you got running on top of the cars

976
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 4: was insane.

977
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 2: Why why would you.

978
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 4: Run on top of them, calls stop, they bring too

979
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 4: much attention. You slo running on top of cars and

980
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 4: running on flat.

981
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: That didn't make any sense.

982
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that part felt this part felt rushed to me.

983
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 5: The heights, Yeah, I feel like they spend more time

984
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 5: on the war stuff than the heist.

985
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: Well, you know, and show how fast everything like these

986
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: are the repercussions of the war, and you know, it's

987
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: just also reflection of how they treat just veterans and

988
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 1: black veterans just in general. This guy can't get a job.

989
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: The community we see is declining. When they came back,

990
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: Skip said, white people are moving out. Also, he also

991
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: mentioned that when he was talking about the stuff that

992
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: was in him, Anthony said, we looked at him it

993
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: was like and thought it was heroin.

994
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: He was like, no, it's not heroin, because I know

995
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: what that feels like. He said that in the movie. Yeah,

996
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 2: I looked it up.

997
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 3: I saw another thing while you were talking that said

998
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 3: Agent Orange. I just wish they would have been clear

999
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 3: about that. I never would have picked it up unless

1000
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 3: you if you hadn't said it.

1001
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: I just found out last night. I never would have

1002
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 2: picked it up either.

1003
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 1: I guess maybe they wanted to wanted it to be vague,

1004
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,479
Speaker 1: just to kind of reflect the times.

1005
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 3: I don't know that maybe, yeah, maybe because he wouldn't

1006
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 3: have known what Agent Orange was.

1007
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but they got away. Man, they can't get

1008
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: but sixty grand. But it doesn't that's a lot of money, bro.

1009
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 2: They did a bet for two dollars, that's true, and.

1010
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 3: Got beat down over it.

1011
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: Point points. They got three hundred k. And that's the

1012
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: money that wasn't burnt because this fool it supposed to

1013
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: got a lot more. Split five away your sixty untraceable.

1014
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: Yes, it was like, I can't believe they're gonna which

1015
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: again were talking about the Argentina story. They have to

1016
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: burn all that ship up when so many people could

1017
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: use that money, you know, But either way, I.

1018
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 3: Go Chapelle, gonna go snitch.

1019
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: He felt guilty though, and they could see him unraveling.

1020
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 1: I think Kirby, Kirby should have picked up on that shot.

1021
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 3: Should because he was giving away money. He started doing that,

1022
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 3: they should have grabbed him and killed him.

1023
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 2: Well, he was. He was show signs of guilt at

1024
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: the table, but he was like, well, we could just

1025
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 2: take your cut. He was like, nah, too far. He's like, Lord,

1026
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: can find some good use for it, which is what

1027
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: he thought he was doing.

1028
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: Like it was to him it was blood money, right, yeah,

1029
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: but yeah, Kirby just didn't get to him in time.

1030
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 2: Well, no, Kirby was right. Anthony wanted to go talk

1031
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 2: to him quick.

1032
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: He did.

1033
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 2: He grabbed that pin, they gave him a burger was over.

1034
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: She wanted to know boss, and they almost got away

1035
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: with it, and then we see Skips over dosed.

1036
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: I was white crazy scene that was watching Johnny Carson, which.

1037
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: You take the song tired of being along, you know,

1038
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: and use that and referenced to come from the war

1039
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: alone like man, just a small little thing, bro. But

1040
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: but I think I think Cleon's portrayal makes sense though,

1041
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: given his guilt that it was, Yeah, I feel like

1042
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: he would have been it was giving out money too, yeah,

1043
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: but it wasn't a lot he was giving.

1044
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: Even told him that's too much like Skip.

1045
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: He was like, you said, it's still in free talks,

1046
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 1: and then that was it. I think at that point

1047
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: they get arrested because they were about to leave.

1048
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 2: Man.

1049
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: I just wish they would have got away, but it

1050
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 1: wouldn't have really made the larger point they were trying

1051
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: to make the movie, but but.

1052
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they busted.

1053
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: And then you have the hallways scene, which I think

1054
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: is really dope when you take this black man in

1055
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: the middle surrounded by police guns pointed on them.

1056
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 3: That scene was so funny to me because if they

1057
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 3: were pointing their guns, there was people like putting their

1058
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 3: guns over the shoulders. I know, the cops point their guns.

1059
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, bro, y'all chill out because if any of

1060
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 3: you fire, there's other cops on the other end. But

1061
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 3: that scene is still an iconic scene.

1062
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's definitely a reflection of it in

1063
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: that time and at times now a reflection of black men,

1064
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: you know, black people, you know in America, this whole

1065
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: system and institution which leads us to the courtroom.

1066
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 3: Wait, when Cuddy was trying to fight him off with

1067
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 3: a pool stick, Yeah yeah, yah, I'm like, bro, if

1068
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 3: you don't do because one, he didn't have no reason

1069
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 3: to pick a poo. They were leased, they was walking

1070
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 3: out the door. He just randomly picked up the pol.

1071
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 5: But he didn't see them yet. Mean, that's told him,

1072
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 5: he said, I don't think so. Yes, he picked it up,

1073
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 5: and he told him to run away.

1074
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 2: Him try to hold him off.

1075
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 5: But you're right about the pool stick. You might right

1076
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 5: about that. He have to pick up a stick, yeah,

1077
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 5: he I thought.

1078
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 4: I thought they were talking, and he picked it up,

1079
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 4: and they were doing they let's get out of here,

1080
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 4: and when as it were walking out, he picked it up.

1081
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 2: He picked it up.

1082
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, when the cops were coming down the stairs, he

1083
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 3: grabbed the stick like he was going to use that.

1084
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 3: The fight got you, like, they have guns, dude.

1085
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 5: And why would you not think round y'all, one, leg

1086
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 5: y'all run. There was just a step too slow, step

1087
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 5: too slow.

1088
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 2: Man, and that could work to work too.

1089
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 1: But the courtroom scene, I think is a really interesting scene.

1090
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: And the ending of the movie. I think it's a

1091
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: real interesting scene and trying that the title of the

1092
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: movie where you have this guy basically pleading trying to use,

1093
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: you know, is his veteran status to gain favor and

1094
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: gave it, gave him life, and not only that, fussed

1095
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: that cut.

1096
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 2: Him off, Like, look, first of all, right, there I

1097
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 2: served as a marine and he's a disgrace. He said

1098
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 2: he served in the real war. That that part too

1099
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 2: was fucked up.

1100
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it was just I thought that that line

1101
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 3: about I served in the real war was deep because

1102
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 3: the way that people looked at the Vietnam War is

1103
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 3: not really being a warm So I thought, actually, oh yeah,

1104
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 3: they even back then everyone was protesting the war because

1105
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 3: we had no business going over there. It was basically

1106
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 3: not basically it was kind of like the same sort

1107
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 3: of situation with like the Middle East and all that.

1108
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 3: They're like, why are y'all over there?

1109
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 2: So other veterans look at the veterans. I didn't know that.

1110
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 2: That's why muhammad A want to go on all of you.

1111
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 2: I knew about the war.

1112
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 4: As far as the protesting people notting it, I didn't

1113
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 4: know within the community of veterans that they looked at

1114
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 4: that like fake boy.

1115
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 2: I thought they respected the war as war.

1116
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 3: No, they just mean it wasn't really a war. It

1117
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 3: was a fucking beat down America went over there and

1118
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:10,439
Speaker 3: got their ask fucking with these goddamn viet Cong.

1119
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so.

1120
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 3: They I know, it just sounds weird.

1121
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, so yeah, what he said, I was in

1122
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 2: the real war.

1123
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: He said, I have decency, dedication, and honor, And he

1124
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: said he gave him fifteen to life.

1125
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,439
Speaker 2: This bro, he was so mad.

1126
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 3: Bro, what not all this motherfucking country man.

1127
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 4: Oh Man in the Judge of Famous acting play, Yeah,

1128
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 4: that was another under utilization.

1129
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,240
Speaker 2: What's his name? He played the president?

1130
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 3: Saw it?

1131
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 2: He played the President and which I just saw it, Mike,

1132
00:54:55,400 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I saw last night, mar she Da Yeah, yep, yeah.

1133
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 2: But it's interesting.

1134
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: So but he's talking about, like again, you got to

1135
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: think about the opportunity that's afforded him, especially in the seventies.

1136
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: You can come back for war. You're one of the

1137
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: very few white people also that's able to come back

1138
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: for war to go on to be a judge. There

1139
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: are a lot of other white people that are still

1140
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: being shipped on as well. It's just for black people

1141
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: is definitely much harder. This was a man that was

1142
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: working for his country on light skip because Skip had

1143
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: all the money. Skip had every single damn government check

1144
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: you could think of, to mailbox three times a week,

1145
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: so he didn't really have to do it. So he

1146
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: was straight, but he paid for it because of the

1147
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: age of Orange, the addiction and stuff that he had,

1148
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: and you know, he lost his job through unfortunate circumstances

1149
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: because of the economy, and he resorted to a lot

1150
00:55:55,480 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: of this heights, so the opportunity were not there for him.

1151
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,879
Speaker 1: And then at the end of the movie we see

1152
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: him on a bus going to jail with nothing but

1153
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: black people.

1154
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 2: Crazy enything, bro damn man at all? No, I think

1155
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 2: it was it was. It was. It was sad, it was,

1156
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 2: it was. It was an accurate depiction of and you

1157
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 2: think about like like.

1158
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 5: The nobody you get that off exactly, the added layer

1159
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 5: of dead presidents, right, because this country was set up by.

1160
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 1: Presidents that was built for white people, you know. So

1161
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: you have the title which has more than one meaning

1162
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: to it as well. So and then you end with

1163
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: the black people going to jail basically being institutionalized and

1164
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 1: being going back to uh plantation.

1165
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 2: Bro ship was great stop, Oh my god, last because

1166
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 2: this man right here, Yes, and I think I.

1167
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: Perfectly uh visualized and emphasized the point that they were

1168
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: trying to make.

1169
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was always a fucking slave man. He was

1170
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 3: a slave in the fucking white man's army. He was

1171
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 3: a slave in the hood.

1172
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 2: And what happened.

1173
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 3: No, that's been doing it all. It's just like right here,

1174
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 3: it's like why are you you have no fucking idea

1175
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 3: of personal space?

1176
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: Like, well, were you're done, might just real quick, underrated gym?

1177
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: Is this movie underrated gym or cult class?

1178
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 3: I think I could see it being labeled an underrated

1179
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 3: gym just because it really is a deep movie. And

1180
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 3: even with the heightst being so stupid, that still makes

1181
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 3: sense because they were all so desperate that they were

1182
00:57:58,400 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 3: just like, I'll give it a shot.

1183
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's mislabeled as a heist movie. I don't think

1184
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 4: that's what it is. And I used to and that's

1185
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 4: what my issue is. Yeah, I used to look at

1186
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 4: it as like one of those bank robber movies. But

1187
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 4: now looking at it older, watching it this time, oh shit,

1188
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 4: this ain't even about that. I guess about just the

1189
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 4: whole like a coming of age story. Damn nearing how America.

1190
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 4: It was brilliant.

1191
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 2: I loved it on this watch.

1192
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: Last question. You can answer that if you wanted to.

1193
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: Do you think Dead Presidents get the recognition it deserves?

1194
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 5: I like, when I saw the reviews when we open up,

1195
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 5: I was like, I was really surprised that it had

1196
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 5: got rated as low as it was, because I never

1197
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 5: looked at it as a low rated movie. I thought

1198
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,919
Speaker 5: I had my issues with it, sure, but and I'm

1199
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 5: just joking about the taller person of but but nah,

1200
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 5: Like I've always always been up there. It's always been

1201
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 5: one of those ones, like you know, to me, Like

1202
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 5: it's not like I said, quite boys in the hood

1203
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 5: and men's society.

1204
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 2: But I don't think it's that.

1205
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 5: I think after especially after reviewing, this is a lot

1206
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 5: deeper than that, and it touched on other things in

1207
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 5: our society and black and black folks. So I think

1208
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 5: it's an important movie in our history of black movie, especially.

1209
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 2: For you brothers. All Right, we'll leave it there.

1210
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 6: Man.

1211
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 2: We appreciate you guys, and we'll cut you guys in

1212
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:16,439
Speaker 2: next time. We off. Peace,