1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,520 Speaker 1: I'm getting a shirt made. 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 2: You are what kind of shirt? What are you talking about? 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 3: I gotta give full credit to our pal Indie reporter. 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 3: He came up with the slogan and I said, I'm 5 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 3: going with it. 6 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 2: You got a personal stylist. 7 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 3: It says ron voyage because after yesterday the governor of 8 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 3: the state of Indiana Donzo Oh. 9 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 10 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. 11 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: The pressure is escalating, is it not. 12 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: This is pathetic. 13 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 3: I mean, this is like there's always the thing that's 14 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 3: happening in our Look, our job in this business, by 15 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 3: this Kennel Casey, John Rob that's Casey. Our job is 16 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 3: to kind of break, you know, simplify all the stuff 17 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 3: that's going down for you the audience, but also make 18 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 3: it relatable. And you know, in your in your life, 19 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 3: as you watch your parents get older or maybe a 20 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 3: grandparent get older, you watch people decline, right, and there 21 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 3: comes a moment a lot of times where it's obvious 22 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 3: whatever thing they're in or thing they're doing, they just 23 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 3: can't do that right. And so for most of whether 24 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 3: it's our parents or grandparents, Yeah, it doesn't mean they're 25 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 3: bad health, it doesn't mean they're you know, right, like, 26 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 3: it doesn't mean that you need to put them in 27 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 3: a nursing home. It just means they they just can't 28 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 3: do things they once did. 29 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 4: I think about my mom when I visited her and 30 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 4: she said that she was leaving the iron on accidentally, 31 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 4: and we. 32 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 2: Said, maybe it's time to stop ironing your clothes. 33 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 3: Then you know, you're just just like somebody's gonna watch 34 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 3: this person more than they did. And that's what it 35 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 3: felt like yesterday with Braun, where it's this kind of 36 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 3: defeated old guy who is totally in over his head. 37 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 3: He has a long standing habit of writing checks with 38 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 3: his mouth that his actions can't cash. He just went 39 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 3: through this six months ago with his signature issue of 40 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 3: the campaign, which is property taxes. He failed miserably at that, 41 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 3: and now here he is trying to do it again, 42 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 3: he's getting basically the same result. 43 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: Only unlike with us. 44 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 3: Where he was just screwing the people with his failure, 45 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 3: now in his mind he's screwing Donald Trump because it 46 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 3: seems like he has told Trump he is capable of 47 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 3: doing things he is not the same way as he 48 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 3: told me in the summer of twenty four he was 49 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 3: capable of doing things he was not. And now yesterday, 50 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 3: instead of just like graciously accepting defeat, he now is 51 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 3: coming off as I will not be the Glenn Close. 52 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: I will not be ignored. 53 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: Dan Carol attraction. 54 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 3: Yes, fatal attraction, thank you. And we and Rod Bray 55 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 3: now we are seeing in which Mike Brawn is Glenn 56 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 3: Close and Rod Bray is Michael Douglas. And now we're 57 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 3: just like watching this pathetically sad, pleading, begging, false threading 58 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 3: the General Assembly. And it's like, give it up, Grandpa, 59 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 3: it's over. 60 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, he said that he's going to explore new ways 61 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 4: to compel the Indiana Republican Senators to act on the 62 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 4: early Congressional redoul. 63 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: What's he going to do? Arrest them? What's he gonna 64 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: do the. 65 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 5: Work? 66 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 3: See, this is the problem. Like it's like, Grandpa's not 67 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 3: process again. What did I say? 68 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 5: Right? 69 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 3: Like it doesn't mean he should be in a home, 70 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 3: but he shouldn't be on this stage because they're not 71 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 3: in special session anymore. Yesterday was the beginning of the 72 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 3: regular session. So any leverage he might have had, I mean, 73 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 3: they played him masterfully. They they drug it out. Yeah, 74 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 3: drug trying to play out the clock. And then they said, 75 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 3: once Brun calls a special session, they being the leadership 76 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 3: of the General Assembly. Like one of my favorite things 77 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 3: about this is Todd Houston, the Speaker of the House, 78 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 3: is trying to come up as a good guy and 79 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 3: all this like. 80 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: Well the House says, the votes were ready to go 81 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: to Bubbam. 82 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: Is it a good cup? Bad cop? 83 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 3: Rod Bray and Todd Houston, the Flanders boys, they share 84 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 3: a brain and a heart and all other vital functioning organs. 85 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 3: They are not They are totally working together on everything. 86 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 3: There's no way they're not in some path to co 87 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 3: on this. 88 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: And yet Braun. 89 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 3: So those two guys strung this thing out for a month. 90 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 3: They Braun calls the special session first November, which Braun 91 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 3: did that to himself by dragging this thing out. He 92 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 3: should have just ripped the band aid off months ago 93 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 3: if he was going to do it. And then they say, okay, yeah, 94 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: we'll see it first of December. And now Rod Bray 95 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 3: is like, well, you're not in charge anymore, are you, 96 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 3: mister Braun, because session has begun. I'm the captain of 97 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 3: this ship now and we ain't coming back. 98 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 4: So here's Todd Houston telling everybody that they need to 99 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 4: keep their first two weeks clear for potential business, and I. 100 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 6: Would remind members that we are still under the timeline 101 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 6: of the special session. I haven't informed the House Repolk 102 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 6: and Caucus that I would keep the first two I 103 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 6: would continue to keep the first two weeks of December 104 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 6: clear on your calendars for potential business. 105 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 3: Okay, So what nobody's answered, though, is how can you 106 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: be in a special session if you've started the session. 107 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 3: That's what ORG day is, So that doesn't look This 108 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 3: ultimately rests with Mike Braun because Mike Braun and we 109 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 3: found this out the hard way. So just when you're 110 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: hearing my voice right now, this is from experience. Mike 111 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 3: Braun is not a leader. He's not really a fighter. 112 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 3: He is a guy who essentially used his immense wealth 113 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 3: to buy a US Senate seat, which then he was 114 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 3: able to spin off into being governor of the state 115 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 3: of Indiana. Mike Braun tries to cast himself as an outsider. 116 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 3: If you look at his career arc, he's a total 117 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 3: insider politician. He went the way so many of them do, 118 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 3: school board, state house, state's a US Senate governor, right. 119 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 3: He's a total institutionalist, and he's not capable of delivering 120 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 3: because the General Assembly, especially the leadership, views him and 121 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 3: his wacky goofy Lieutenant Governor as an unserious joke, and 122 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 3: so he keeps trying to strong arm these guys with 123 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 3: zero cards, with zero level, and he's making himself look stupid. 124 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 4: So the Senate voted twenty nine to eighteen to return 125 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 4: on January fifth, and so Bray is saying, no, we're 126 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 4: going to do what we want to do now. The 127 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 4: Governor was on with Hammer and Nigel yesterday and they 128 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 4: asked him his thoughts on what Bray is doing, and 129 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 4: Kevin clip number four if you could grab that, because. 130 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: He sounded like he was getting a little spicy. 131 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 4: He was a little irritated but at the same time 132 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 4: a little bit intimidated by Donald Trump. It was a 133 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 4: really interesting arc because he started out really strong and 134 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 4: then he was like, but you got to do what 135 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 4: the president wants to do. So here is the Governor 136 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 4: talking about Bray. 137 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 7: I would be more concerned about what you're doing when 138 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 7: the President of the United States calls you out for 139 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 7: something that he's made very clear that he wants to 140 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 7: get it done, and I think is probably more troublesome 141 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 7: when it would be what his future is like. And 142 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 7: today was a lot of action, you know, or day 143 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 7: and as we were talking earlier, and I don't think 144 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 7: he knew that, but the House is coming back to 145 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 7: do maps and they're coming in so they're going to 146 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 7: be sending something over to the Senate. And then a 147 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 7: rebuke of half his caucus when they had that vote 148 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 7: on whether to come back or not, and he had 149 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 7: to get Democrats to go along with him to have 150 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 7: the vote scheduled or to come back into session in January. 151 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 7: So nineteen we're on the roll call against him, and 152 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 7: another senator didn't make the roll call vote. 153 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: That said he would. So that's half of his caucus. 154 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, this word salad, right, Like that's okay. 155 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 3: First of all, Donald Trump's not a king. He's the 156 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 3: President of the United States. And the fact that we're 157 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 3: somehow subservient to him here in Indiana, that is a like, 158 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 3: that's ridiculous, and it's bizarre that the governor of our 159 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 3: state believes he's subservient to the president of the United States. 160 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 3: Like that's super weird and should be a giant red 161 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 3: flag to everybody. The second part of this is the 162 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 3: like at this point, the just the mental gymnastics. 163 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: He's doing well. 164 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 3: Almost half of his caucus was against him, Yeah, and 165 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 3: more than half of his caucus was for him. You 166 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 3: couldn't even win amongst the Republicans, mister governor once as 167 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 3: when you factor in the rest of this of the Senate, 168 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 3: like it was this like just the bizarre. I will 169 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 3: compel you or I'm pondering compelling like get a life, dude, 170 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 3: And I keep coming back to that. He can't he 171 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 3: can't fathom the idea of why people would be upset 172 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 3: with him that if you'd have done this on property taxes, 173 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 3: you would be a hero and there would be so 174 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 3: many people right now who would be behind you who 175 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 3: are not because they would say, this guy is a fighter, 176 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 3: he does care about us. 177 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: This is about us. 178 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 3: But Mike Brount proved it's not about us. It's not 179 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 3: about the people. It's about him. It's about his party. 180 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 3: And as he as he said yesterday, this is about 181 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 3: Donald Trump. And people get that and go, well, let 182 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 3: I'm out, because it supposed to be on me. The 183 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 3: governments to be about helping me. It's about creating an 184 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 3: environment for me to thrive. And all the government here 185 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 3: in this state appears to be about is the donors, 186 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 3: the lobbyists, the power brokers, the party and now the 187 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 3: President of the United States. 188 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 4: Okay, so yesterday during that Hammer and Nigel interview, they 189 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 4: did ask him why the battle for this but not 190 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 4: for property taxes? 191 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 7: So the battle was picked by the president in terms 192 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 7: of doing it, and Texas did it, Missouri did it, 193 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 7: North Carolina did it. So you should be able to 194 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 7: put two and two together there, and they asked us 195 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 7: to do it. And it was probably three months ago, 196 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 7: and we were picking him off in a way that 197 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 7: had an organic process to it. Time became an issue 198 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 7: when I saw that Bray looked like he was going 199 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 7: to try to run out the clock. That is when 200 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 7: I decided to call a special session because at that 201 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 7: point both the White House and our accounting showed us 202 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 7: at twenty one to twenty two senators, fourteen public, six 203 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 7: or seven private. Yes, that is the move that he 204 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 7: made that I think was a mistake because he thought 205 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 7: by not doing it, he then could delay it or 206 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 7: it doesn't get done. That is what irritated the President. 207 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 7: It irritated me and picking the battle on property taxes. 208 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 7: Got to remember that was SB one. Then he and 209 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 7: his leadership team gutted it. So we had to spend 210 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 7: three months to get it back to where it was one. 211 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 1: We got to go to a break. 212 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 3: I'm gonna have a brain hemorrhage during the break, and 213 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 3: then I'm gonna put this guy in his place because 214 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 3: I've had enough of him. And that right there is 215 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 3: why this thing's gonna fail. And it all comes back 216 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 3: to the same thing, Casey. He the governor of this 217 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 3: state is a habitual liar. He would not know the 218 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 3: truth if it smacked him right between the eyes. So 219 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 3: we'll take a break. 220 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go for a walk. 221 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 3: Okay, good idea, and we'll talk about that when we 222 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 3: come back to Kennelly. 223 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 2: Casey on ninety three WIBC. 224 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 8: The governor's inability to relay the truth, grasp it, remember it. 225 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 8: I don't know what it is, but he I mean, 226 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 8: it is almost a daily basis with this dude about 227 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 8: just telling things that are just patently false or contradict 228 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 8: at best, contradicting yourself. This is the bigger issue because 229 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 8: it affects every issue right, like we're to focus on 230 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 8: redistricting right now, Kennlly Casey show by the way, I'm 231 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 8: rob that's Casey. But so we played way before we 232 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 8: went to break, we played that clip of him talking 233 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 8: about dealing with with with the redistricting versus property taxes 234 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,719 Speaker 8: and why he's like so much more passionate about redistricting 235 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 8: which only helps Donald Trump versus property tax which would 236 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 8: have helped millions of people, which he claimed was his 237 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 8: signature issue. And he folded like an accordion on that 238 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 8: when when Bray stood up to him and said, I'm 239 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 8: not doing it, but now this redistricting, he won't let 240 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 8: it go. 241 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 3: Sure, and this like revisionist history stuff where he's talking 242 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 3: about Bray running out the clock and I had to 243 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 3: call the special session because Bray wasn't doing what I 244 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 3: wanted or what Trump wanted. From the very beginning case 245 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 3: he did he not say it was it was a 246 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 3: choice of the General Assembly. Did he not say I 247 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 3: will not call a special session unless the General Assembly 248 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 3: tells me the votes are are there? 249 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: He did, and then he changed it. 250 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 3: Except this is my point, it's the it's the Homer 251 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 3: Simpson line. I guess some people never change or quickly changed, 252 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 3: then quickly changed right back. It's another lie by Braun. 253 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 3: He because he's a gutless cow I'm reminded of the 254 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 3: line from Ghostbusters. 255 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: Is this true? 256 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 3: I'm afraid it is your honor. This man has no stick, 257 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 3: except he doesn't say stick. He says a word I 258 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 3: can't say on family friendly airwaves. Braun has no stick. 259 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,599 Speaker 3: He's a coward. And he thought those guys because he 260 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 3: didn't want to smoke from the media, we're gonnaventually get 261 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 3: pressured into doing it. 262 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: I'll let them take it. 263 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 2: It's their choice, and it didn't happen. 264 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 3: And now he tries to turn them into bad guys 265 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 3: for doing exactly like. I'm loath to defend Rod Bray 266 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 3: for any reason. But Braun is the one who is 267 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 3: lying here. Bray has been consistent, the votes are not there. 268 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 3: We don't want to do this. You can dislike the 269 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 3: opinion of somebody, but in terms of honesty, Braun is 270 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 3: the one who has been caught lying again, just like 271 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 3: on property taxes. 272 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 4: He said he's now left with no choice other than 273 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 4: to explore all options at his disposal to compel the 274 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 4: state Senate to show up and vote, and he added 275 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 4: that he will support President Trump's effort to recruit, endorse 276 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 4: and finance primary challenges. 277 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 3: No, no, no, this is the same guy. This is the 278 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 3: same guy that last year. I went over to state 279 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 3: party headquarters last year, last summer when they were desperate 280 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 3: for our endorsement. They were desperate for us to endorse 281 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 3: them in their run for governor. 282 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: And one of the things they told me is, don't 283 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: you worry. 284 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 7: Man. 285 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 3: We got this political action committee and we're gonna they're 286 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 3: gonna spend all this money. 287 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: If these lawmakers don't get in line, it's gonna be great. Man. 288 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: We got an army. 289 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 3: Behind us that okay, cool, it's his issue. He's the 290 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 3: incoming governor. They got this pack that's supposed to be 291 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 3: helping him out to be awesome. And and for one 292 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 3: day that pack existed and they started running those ads. 293 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: They said, all right, here comes the boom. 294 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 3: And then a day later they pulled all the ads 295 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 3: and started running ads telling them to think these same 296 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 3: people because they aren't fighters. And they got told you 297 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 3: better knock that off, or we're gonna take every part 298 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 3: of your agenda down, not just property taxes. And they folded. 299 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 3: It's Braun who doesn't follow through on stuff. Let's play 300 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 3: this clip again. This is fascinating to me about him 301 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 3: talking about why he didn't fight Bray on property. 302 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 4: Tax So this was yesterday afternoon on the Hammer and 303 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 4: Nigel program, the number one rated show in all of Indianapolis. 304 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 4: And they asked him why this battle on redistricting but 305 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 4: not property taxes. 306 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: And here is the governor's answer. 307 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 7: Picking the battle on property taxes. You got to remember 308 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 7: that was SB one. Then he and his leadership team 309 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 7: gutted it. So we had to spend three months to 310 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 7: get it back to where it was. Didn't please everyone, 311 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 7: but most people when they know that their home is 312 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 7: going to be exempted sixty six percent of it in 313 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 7: five years, and you couldn't have jerked the money away immediately. 314 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 7: The loudest complainers are Republican local government officials, believe it 315 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 7: or not. So that was the best we were going 316 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 7: to get. It wasn't worth starting over. And you can 317 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 7: see why because look who we're dealing with. This guy 318 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 7: is now digging in against the President of the United States, 319 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 7: the VP, and look what he's doing, and he's cornering 320 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 7: himself in a place that is not good. 321 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay. So, first of all, to Mike Braun. 322 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 3: The whole summer and winter and during the session, I repeatedly, 323 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 3: repeatedly asked them, what do you need from us? Both 324 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 3: Braun and his wacky goofy Lieutenant governor, what do you 325 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 3: need from us? With the Senate once we knew was 326 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 3: emanating out of the Senate, what do you need from us? 327 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: Letters? Do you need, you. 328 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 3: Know, calls, whatever it is. No, we got this, man, 329 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: told them, I'll meet with them. No, no, no, it's 330 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 3: all gonna be fine. You know, you're kind of controversial, 331 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 3: so we don't want to like risk, you know, upsetting 332 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 3: the Apple card. If you get involved in it'll be 333 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 3: we got this man, It's all fine. The same people 334 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 3: that Micah and Braun are now ripping on as the 335 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 3: worst people in the world. I always told how great 336 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 3: they were when it came to Oh, they're fine, man. 337 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: These are our boys, these are our guys. We got this. 338 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: It's gonna be fine. You got nothing because those. 339 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 3: Guys in the Senate, they know what jokes you are, 340 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 3: they know how ridiculous you are. They're not doing anything. 341 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,239 Speaker 3: So for him to go on hammer and Nigel and 342 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 3: give this revisionous bullcrap version of hits. 343 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: I'm trying not to say something's going to give me 344 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: in trouble. 345 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 3: It is insulting to the seven million people in this state. 346 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 3: And that is the issue, the habitual lying that comes 347 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 3: from these people's mouths, over and over and over again. 348 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 4: We've got Adam run from Politico and Importantville. Who's gonna 349 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 4: join us next and we will continue this conversation. You're 350 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 4: listening to Kendall and Casey. It's ninety three WIBC. 351 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 2: There goes the last stage. 352 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: Who plays when he was play. 353 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 2: It says when he was. 354 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: Casey was a wild day at the state House yesterday. 355 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a luck going on. 356 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: And we've got someone who's there with the bird's eye view. 357 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 3: Friend of the show Politico and Portinville covers Indiana politics 358 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 3: and government and politics and government for the nation. 359 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: Adam Wren joins us now, Adam Wren, Hello. 360 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 5: Good to be with you. Thanks for having me. 361 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 3: All right, so you were there yesterday in Casey and 362 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 3: I started a program with this. It seems like Braun 363 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 3: is in full meltdown mode at this point. Have you 364 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 3: You've covered a lot of governors, a lot of high 365 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:25,959 Speaker 3: profile politicians. Have you ever seen someone respond to adversity 366 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 3: like Braun where he almost comes off as like Glenn Close, 367 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 3: I will not be ignored Dan Well. 368 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 5: Rob. What I think is most interesting about this is 369 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 5: the oscillating approach he's taken over the last three months 370 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 5: to this issue. You know, early on he was deferential 371 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 5: to the legislature. He said, you know, the legislature needs 372 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 5: to be on it. He would listen to them, he 373 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 5: would give them space to figure out where they were at. 374 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 5: At one point he said the federal government might threaten, 375 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 5: you know, to take away you know, key benefits for 376 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 5: the state of Indiana or Nicks federal product JEX. Then 377 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 5: he sort of walked that back, and then you know, 378 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 5: yesterday we saw him in full ramp up mode where 379 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 5: he was he in some ways was acting like a 380 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 5: wounded animal in the sense that you know, he was 381 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 5: lashing out at at people close to him, and you know, 382 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 5: he has not had a great relationship with the Senate 383 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 5: and just his first year in the administration, and I 384 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 5: think the sentiment from you know, the Bronze Office at 385 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 5: this point is, look, we're either going to get new 386 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 5: maps or we're going to get a new Senate and 387 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 5: and he he he essentially affirmed that yesterday when he 388 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 5: said that he in a press release after after the 389 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 5: adjournment that essentially he would back and finance primaries to 390 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 5: anybody who opposed mid cycle redistrict Tam. 391 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: Now, what's fascinating about that? And I okay, so what's 392 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: to hop in here? Though? 393 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 3: This is the same spiel he gave me last summer though, 394 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 3: when he was courting our support, and he said, don't worry, man, 395 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 3: we got all this money we're going to spend. We 396 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 3: got these outside political action groups or whatever. They're just 397 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 3: spent all this money on property taxes. How'd that work out? 398 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't materialize. 399 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 4: So, Adam, I'm curious because Governor Brown said, now I'm 400 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 4: left with no other choice than to explore all options 401 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 4: at my disposal to compel the state Senate to show 402 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 4: up and vote. How is he going to compel them 403 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 4: to do that? What authority or power does he have? 404 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 5: Well, if you look at Senate Rule one, there have 405 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 5: been some changes made to the law after the two 406 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 5: thousand and eleven Democratic walkouts where they fled to Illinois 407 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 5: during the debate over right to work. But essentially, you know, 408 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 5: he has a tool like fines that he can find 409 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 5: Senate Republicans who don't show up, you know, and there's 410 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 5: some conversation about what it might look like this sort 411 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 5: of like the nuclear option, as if yesterday wasn't wasn't 412 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 5: already nuclear enough. But there's some talk about, you know, 413 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 5: whether or not he could use the Indiana State Police 414 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 5: to round to round up you know, people and get 415 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 5: them to the State House. There's there the language and 416 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 5: Senate Rule one requires twenty five senators to show up 417 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 5: for a quorum and then they can take a vote 418 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 5: to compel their colleagues to come to Indianapolis, and that 419 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,719 Speaker 5: that would get the Indiana State Police involved. But you know, 420 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 5: it was interesting to me. You have to wonder how 421 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 5: much Speaker Todd Houston is bluffing here when he came 422 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 5: out yesterday and said, you know, told lawmakers to keep 423 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 5: their schedule open in the first two weeks of December. 424 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 5: I mean, that is not a definitive statement that we're 425 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 5: going to be back here. You know, they did a 426 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 5: journ until January for fifth rather and you know, it's 427 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 5: it's it's it's interesting. I mean, you wonder, you know, 428 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 5: have Houston and Bray are never really split apart, and 429 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 5: they were yesterday, And you wonder how much of this 430 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 5: was telegraphed to each other. You know, I saw, you know, Houston, 431 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 5: you know, briefly whisper to Bray earlier in the day 432 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 5: at an event for baby boxes in the State House, 433 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 5: and you know, they sat by each other. Interestingly enough, 434 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 5: Bray sat to the left of Houston, who sat to 435 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,719 Speaker 5: the to the left of Braun. So I thought that 436 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 5: was an interesting ideological metaphor here on this issue. So yeah, 437 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, you wonder how much they've talked and 438 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 5: how much of the heads up Houston gave Bray about 439 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 5: what he would say yesterday. 440 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 3: Adam ren a politico all some important ville as our 441 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 3: guest who was at the state House yesterday for all 442 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 3: the fun and for volity around the redistricting. So there 443 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 3: was a rally there and they got I mean, I 444 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 3: don't know, somebody said, between thirty and fifty people, it 445 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 3: wasn't a great showing. Diego and Mic out there leading 446 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 3: the charge, like, where have you seen anything that shows 447 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 3: these people there are all these people that actually want it, Adam, 448 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 3: because the polling doesn't show it. The town halls haven't 449 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,959 Speaker 3: showed it. This rally didn't show it. Where are all 450 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 3: of these people who supposedly want this. 451 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 5: Well, I'm told the public polling that we've seen so 452 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 5: far doesn't show it, but that there's private polling exists 453 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 5: that shows that it is popular among the Republican base. 454 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 5: Those rules have not yet yet leaked, you know, say, 455 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 5: tend to see if they will. But I think that, 456 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 5: you know, it was a pretty dismal showing for pro 457 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 5: redistricting people. And you know, you hear people say, well, 458 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 5: we're you know, Republicans who want this actually have jobs 459 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 5: to show up to during the day, as if no 460 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 5: one you know, as if it's you know, nineteen forty five, 461 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 5: and you know, vacation days don't exist for things that 462 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 5: are priorities to you, you know. So I you know, 463 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 5: I do think it shows a lack of grassroots support 464 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 5: for this, you know, in a way that people are 465 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 5: clamoring for it. And I think it's a real problem 466 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 5: for people who are launching primaries just this week against 467 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 5: incumbent Senate Republicans who are counting on this to remain, 468 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 5: you know, such a feverish issue among the base into 469 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 5: next May, that it will compel people to show up 470 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 5: for them at the primaries and boost them over their opponents. 471 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 5: It doesn't, you know, we just saw two weeks ago 472 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 5: that disengaged you know, Trump voters do not show up 473 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 5: in elections where Trump is not on the ballot, And 474 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 5: unfortunately for these folks, Trump is not going to be 475 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 5: on the ballot next May when Indiana has its primary. 476 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,239 Speaker 3: Do you get a feeling that, because Bray's been very 477 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 3: nice so far to Braun, he has not returned the favor. 478 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 3: Do you get a feeling at some point Bray's going 479 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 3: to be like, I'm the boss around here, you go 480 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 3: squish Grandpa. 481 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 5: I don't think so. I don't think so. And if 482 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 5: you look at President Trump's true social feed, you'll see 483 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 5: that he called him a quote quote gentleman, end quote 484 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 5: as if as if that's a bad thing to be 485 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 5: these days. But I think that's exactly you know what 486 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 5: Bray is. You know, he did not return anger or 487 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 5: scorn with the like. He was sort of diplomatic gentle 488 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 5: and we have have had no indication over the last 489 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 5: seven years that he will do anything other than that 490 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 5: throughout this entire time. I mean, he's been very thoughtful, 491 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 5: he's been very reserved quiet. I mean yesterday when he 492 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 5: took questions from the press is the most we've heard 493 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 5: him talk in three months since this started, the same 494 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 5: as true of Houston. They have remarkably not spoken about 495 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 5: this in public, and so it was just a really 496 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 5: fascinating day to watch these big personalities all collide against 497 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 5: each other at the State House. 498 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 4: Adam Renner is joining us from Politico and Importantville. I'm 499 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 4: wondering if we could turn our direction down south and 500 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 4: you could speak on the judge ordering the state of 501 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 4: Texas to use their twenty twenty one boundaries. 502 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 5: This couldn't have been a worse development for the White 503 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 5: House within an hour or so of having the Indiana 504 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 5: General Assembly all but from their nose at the White 505 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 5: House too, I mean, this puts massive pressure on Indiana 506 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 5: to respond and kind here. This essentially wipes out, potentially 507 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 5: if it may go to the Supreme Court, this potentially 508 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 5: wipes out any effective gain that Republicans had in the 509 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 5: registion wars, and quite frank we could result in the 510 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 5: loss a net loss of seats. So Gonor Governor Gavin 511 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 5: Newsom looks pretty sharp here in all of this, and 512 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 5: the White House looks, you know, pretty pretty rough because 513 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 5: essentially you're going to have you know, Illinois sort of 514 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,719 Speaker 5: watching closely. What Indiana is going to do, probably not 515 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 5: going to act given what happened yesterday at the State House, 516 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 5: but all of you know, we've had four Republican states 517 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 5: now Nebraska, New Hampshire, Ohio, Indiana all sort of you know, 518 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 5: sum their noses at the White House's mid cycle redistricting scheme. 519 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 5: And what happened with Texas, I mean that is absolutely brutal. 520 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 5: What was looking like a plus five seats for the 521 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 5: GOP in a midterm election where you might just need 522 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 5: three seats to make the difference and who controls the 523 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 5: House of Representatives. You know, that was washed out, and 524 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 5: you know there's going to be an appeal, likely from 525 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 5: the White House's allies and Texas Republicans, but this is 526 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 5: not looking good for the GOP. 527 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 3: Adams, Sorry, got about twenty seconds left before I let 528 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 3: you go. Gambling not legal on politics in this country. 529 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 3: But if it were, if you and I went to 530 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 3: the Shelbyville casino, Adam ran and you had to bet, yes, 531 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 3: it will happen. 532 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: Or no, it won't. 533 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 3: Will Indiana ultimately redistrict their maps? 534 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 5: Well, I'm going to borrow a line from Speaker Todd 535 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 5: Houston yesterday and say that my crystal ball is broken. 536 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 3: Find him over Politico. Also Importantville, Adam Wren. Where else 537 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 3: can they find you on the social media? 538 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, just at Adam Wren Wren like the bird on 539 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 5: X All. 540 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 1: Right, thank you, my friend, thank you. 541 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 2: It's Kendally Casey on ninety three WIBC. 542 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 8: A story that we. 543 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 3: Broke is back in the news again, and it's bad 544 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 3: for Braun and his buddy. 545 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 4: Today is the Governor's Special Day on the Kendel and 546 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 4: Casey Show. 547 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 5: Oh. 548 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 3: I warned him, and when we parted ways, I said, 549 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 3: you do not want to sign this property tax bill, buddy. 550 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: This is called to be bad for you forever and 551 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: ever and ever. 552 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 3: And I feel like I've done my park fall through 553 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 3: on that plange Casey, Yes you have. I feel like 554 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 3: the past six months I've done more than my part 555 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 3: to follow. 556 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: Through on that. 557 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,959 Speaker 4: So on Monday there was a meeting. It was in 558 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 4: regards to a state Law enforcement board moving forward with 559 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 4: deciding whether Tom Kleinhelter will lose his police certification. 560 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 3: Okay, so you all will many of you longtime listeners 561 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 3: will know the Tom klin Helter story, but for those 562 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 3: who don't. Tom Kleinhlter is the sheriff of Dubois County, 563 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 3: which is Mike Bron's home county. He is a very 564 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 3: close political ally of the governor. Did a big endorsement 565 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 3: of the governor. I think he was maybe even a 566 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 3: television ad. Him and Braun are very close and klein 567 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 3: Helter was accused of essentially misappropriating commissary money using it 568 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 3: for en mass large purchases, personal ventures, endeavors, whatever, involving 569 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 3: his wife, trips, et cetera. And Doug Carter, who was 570 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 3: the State Police superintendent at the time, came on our program. 571 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: We spent an hour with. 572 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 3: Us actually detailing how he had led ordered whatever. This 573 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 3: investigation into kline Helter off of a report from State 574 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 3: Board of Accounts. It resulted in an eighty page probable 575 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 3: cause affidavit from the State Police to a special prosecutor 576 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 3: who I belie he was from Orange County. The State 577 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 3: Police felt everything was going great. They were in the 578 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 3: process of moving forward with a prosecution on this case 579 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 3: involving client Helter's actions and then all of a sudden 580 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 3: Braun became the governor, Carter was out as state superintendent. 581 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 3: I believe Anthony Scott is the guy's name who became 582 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 3: the state Police superintendent. And what do you know, Casey, 583 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 3: it went away. The whole thing just went away. And 584 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 3: there has never been a detailed or you know, explanation 585 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 3: from anybody that made any sense on any of this. 586 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 3: When you're looking at an eighty page probable cause affidavit, 587 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 3: how that could not possibly go forward? And Carter has 588 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 3: laid out in great detail what was in the affidavit 589 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 3: why they. 590 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: Felt strong about the case. 591 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 3: And not only that, but a decorated member of the 592 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 3: State Police who was in charge of that investigation has 593 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 3: been reprimanded, demoted, put in the basement since leading this investigation. 594 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 3: And so now this law enforcement Board, the Indiana Law 595 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 3: Enforce Academy, is moving forward. What could result in a 596 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 3: decertification of Clent Helter, which would mean that he would 597 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 3: essentially lose all his powers as a law enforcement officer 598 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 3: and could not serve as a certified law enforcement officer 599 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 3: in the state of Indiana if indeed they go forward. 600 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, so this board, they set a timeline towards evidentiary 601 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 4: hearings in April, and they're going to hear the case. 602 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 4: The full board will decide whether to strip Clinhelter of 603 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 4: his certification. The parties agreed to exchange initial discovery by 604 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 4: December thirtieth, then they have additional discovery by late January, 605 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 4: and then they're going to hold a two day hearing 606 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 4: tentatively between April twenty fifth and April twenty eighth. 607 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 2: But imagine that that's a year and a half. 608 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, look sir, the probable call, and 609 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 3: there still has been no There has been no explanation 610 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 3: on how from the Special prosecutor other than basically the 611 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 3: no kidding quote she gave to like Capitol Chronicle about 612 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 3: not filing the charges. 613 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: Why what did you see. 614 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 3: After Doug Carter stopped being State Police superintendent and after 615 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,239 Speaker 3: Mike Brown became the governor? What did you see that 616 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,719 Speaker 3: changed your mind based on everything that the State Police 617 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 3: was led to believe, other than Mike Braun becoming the 618 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 3: governor and a new person being installed a state police superintendent. 619 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 3: Nobody has answered those questions yet, and until they do, 620 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 3: everybody is going to think this thing totally stinks, and 621 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 3: it appears at least this one group is moving forward 622 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 3: with doing what they can about it. 623 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 2: Now, this is something to keep in mind. 624 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 4: Even if he is decertified, he can still serve as 625 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 4: an elected sheriff because Indiana's constitution does not require the 626 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 4: position to hold police certification. 627 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: Wow, I think he arrest nobody. 628 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 2: That's true. It is Kendilly Casey. It's ninety three WYBC.