Speaker 1: The Frames per Second Podcast.
Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of The Fame Second Podcast. I
Speaker 2: remember the evening. My name is Mike, next me. I
Speaker 2: have Spikes, Spike, I have Ken, can have Rock.
Speaker 3: We row down your review immediately. You know we're trying
Speaker 3: to get through this.
Speaker 2: Today we are reviewing the movie Slanted. I would admit
Speaker 2: this was my suggestion because there really wasn't any movies
Speaker 2: that were coming out this week. I saw the trailer
Speaker 2: for this, and I was like, Okay, that could be
Speaker 2: an interesting conversation. We're gonna quickly go around the room. Spike,
Speaker 2: what did you think of Slanted?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: It was fine, no surprises, Like it was very predictable.
Speaker 4: That was my biggest takeaway. Like, the whole time I
Speaker 4: was sitting there, I knew what was gonna happen next.
Speaker 2: So damn psychic in this, Ken, you trying to get
Speaker 2: like right a little bit X men in training? Okay, Ken?
Speaker 2: I had two responses, don't you do no racist ship, bro.
Speaker 3: I'm not like.
Speaker 1: This whole face saw When I got one response, respond.
Speaker 5: Man, I'm not, you know, I'm not. What's what's the
Speaker 5: Tim McGraw, I'm not a racist?
Speaker 3: Tira was lying too.
Speaker 1: I think when it was.
Speaker 5: Over with, I think there's a predictability of it. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's fairly obviously. You don't have to be, you know,
Speaker 5: a genius to figure it out. I love the fact
Speaker 5: that we get to see them tell their story from
Speaker 5: another perspective. I think so when I got home, and
Speaker 5: you know, I always think about, like, what was the.
Speaker 1: Question that was asked?
Speaker 5: They're like, oh, yeah, that was cool, and that was
Speaker 5: the thing I said. It was good to see like
Speaker 5: another side of the story. It's often I'm often watching
Speaker 5: them through mod lens of the story about what it's
Speaker 5: like to be black. So I thought that was cool.
Speaker 5: The lady when the movie was over said, this ship
Speaker 5: was stupid as fuck.
Speaker 1: That was sitting over there for.
Speaker 5: Me and like that and she sounded of black. Yeah,
Speaker 5: she was like, this is stupidest. I guess it was
Speaker 5: the ending that kind of threw off. There wasn't a real,
Speaker 5: like firm resolution to it.
Speaker 1: And I said the same thing.
Speaker 5: I was like, man, I had to go see that
Speaker 5: stupid ass movie because I had to cram it in.
Speaker 5: But it was more the frustration of acting a lot
Speaker 5: and my weekend and less about.
Speaker 1: The movie being stupid.
Speaker 5: But Uh, but it was interesting watching their their story
Speaker 5: being told, but it wasn't really a lot there and
Speaker 5: all lot of.
Speaker 3: Stupid me Rob, what do you think of slanting?
Speaker 6: I'm kind of like where Mike Spike is like, it
Speaker 6: was fine, It looked like it was fine, but you
Speaker 6: had to suspen a lot of belief, like just something
Speaker 6: the stuff that was happening.
Speaker 3: Do you mean.
Speaker 1: Changed it to a white lady? Were talking about fucking happened?
Speaker 3: Michael Jackson did?
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, but but that's not even the same.
Speaker 6: It's what we do person shade. I thought, I'm not,
Speaker 6: I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: I guess I just looked at it. I thought that
Speaker 1: was the movie.
Speaker 5: So that's why I didn't look at that and suspending
Speaker 5: the belief. It's just like watching any type of fantasies
Speaker 5: of my movie about weird ship happened. That isn't really possible.
Speaker 1: I thought you were talking about something outside of.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that's other stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying.
Speaker 3: I didn't say that particularly. I just say you had
Speaker 3: to suspend This is like a generic version of that
Speaker 3: other movie that we saw.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like substance meets something else or whatever, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now that's fucked up.
Speaker 3: Why because Asian company? Oh I know that.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I really didn't know that.
Speaker 1: I God, damn it.
Speaker 3: I swear to God, I didn't know that. I thought
Speaker 3: Tino was Africans up. Oh no, look you didn't know,
Speaker 3: so that where you didn't I didn't know.
Speaker 1: We knew that. I didn't know.
Speaker 2: My God, that would have been I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Stop laughing, y'all, please listening to this. I promise you.
Speaker 2: I did not know that team it was Agent. I
Speaker 2: thought it was an African company for some reason.
Speaker 3: Damn well that's great.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I was thinking like reverse get out to
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, get on?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, how was that racist?
Speaker 3: All?
Speaker 2: I said on? I didn't have no agent, So y'all, okay,
Speaker 2: we're starting over. We're starting over, y'all. I said get on.
Speaker 2: I didn't say get on, come on. That didn't make
Speaker 2: any sense. That doesn't even make any sense.
Speaker 3: Y'all are terrible. Stop by Jesus man. That is not
Speaker 3: what I wanted this to be.
Speaker 2: No, no, every instance of racism so far my account
Speaker 2: has been completely unintentional. I swear to God on my
Speaker 2: life and my Cat's Life. I did not know that
Speaker 2: Tebu was an Asian compo. I swear on my life,
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Jesus, I feel so bad.
Speaker 1: Are you done? Rod?
Speaker 3: I'm sorry? I think so god feel terrible. Okay.
Speaker 2: This was the major film directorial debut from Amy Wang.
Speaker 2: She'd previously done a show called The Birch, but I
Speaker 2: haven't I haven't seen it, so this was her first
Speaker 2: foray into being a movie director. All right, so let's
Speaker 2: jump in this movie. So we meet young Joan Wong,
Speaker 2: her and her family not Wong, is it Wog? I
Speaker 2: don't know, right, Oh, I didn't even say did I
Speaker 2: my bad? I thought it was barely okay. I do
Speaker 2: agree with this suspending disbelief part, which I was actually
Speaker 2: completely fine with suspending disbelief, but there were certain things
Speaker 2: which we'll get into, where it was like, okay, even
Speaker 2: if I'm suspending disbelief, that doesn't make any sense. I
Speaker 2: but I one hundred percent think that this was a
Speaker 2: a goodwill version of the substance like they they damn
Speaker 2: near followed the substance beat for beat. So I just
Speaker 2: looked at this movie like it was extremely uncreative. So
Speaker 2: that was a bummer because I think this story could
Speaker 2: have been cool. But bring up get Out is good.
Speaker 2: So yes, it was like get Out mixed with the substance.
Speaker 2: So I think the directing was okay, So maybe she'll
Speaker 2: do a better job in the next movie. But she wrote, directed,
Speaker 2: and produced this, and maybe that's the problem. Just like
Speaker 2: we always say, well kritneys again on other people's production,
Speaker 2: Maybe not J Cole.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's the issue here.
Speaker 2: She she tried to wear too many hats and them
Speaker 2: shits waved her head down and broke her neck.
Speaker 6: That's what it was. It was substance meets Mean Girls.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you ever seen Mean Girls. No,
Speaker 6: but I know what I know the premise. Yeah, that's
Speaker 6: what that's what I saw. But yeah I wasn't. I
Speaker 6: didn't feel like I was robbed, but I definitely felt
Speaker 6: like I.
Speaker 2: Need to see this shit in the theater, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: So I apologize for making us go.
Speaker 6: I saw it for a screen I scene oh really, yeah, yep.
Speaker 6: I would have been annoyed, feels the screen, and I wasn't. Actually,
Speaker 6: I was like, oh shit, this is the movie we
Speaker 6: gonna review, so I ain't have to go on Thursday.
Speaker 2: So I'm saying, if we weren't reviewing it, and I
Speaker 2: went to a screen unseen and it was this.
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, so a lot of people in
Speaker 3: there were shot.
Speaker 6: Like, like I said, I was sitting next to like
Speaker 6: two white chicks.
Speaker 1: Just so happened. It was two white chickens.
Speaker 3: This is fucked up? Why they like this?
Speaker 6: It was murmurs like I was just I was trying
Speaker 6: to hear, hustled to see what they were saying so
Speaker 6: bad because I wanted to know what they were saying
Speaker 6: so bad.
Speaker 3: I almost did. I was talking to another black dude
Speaker 3: that after we.
Speaker 1: Left would have good market research.
Speaker 3: But boy, yeah, yeah, I agree. I really wanted to
Speaker 3: know to know how white women thought about this. I
Speaker 3: really wanted to know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's not black people this time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't blame must for this.
Speaker 2: Y'all realize y'all pissing everybody, right, It's not just us?
Speaker 3: So yeah, all right.
Speaker 2: So we meet Joan Wong I think was her last name.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna look it up while we're talking. Her and
Speaker 2: her family moved to the US from China, and she's
Speaker 2: struggling as a child to connect to her white peers,
Speaker 2: and as a youth, she sees a white woman whin
Speaker 2: prom queen and seems to be enamored by that. But
Speaker 2: we fast forward to her as a young adult and
Speaker 2: we see her obsessed with a white woman named Olivia
Speaker 2: Hammond while using this app that makes her.
Speaker 3: Appear as a white woman.
Speaker 2: But what were y'all's initial impressions of her as well
Speaker 2: as her mom and dad spike.
Speaker 3: Initial impressions.
Speaker 4: I felt the mom and dad wanted a better life
Speaker 4: for her, so they of course moved here to America,
Speaker 4: but they were still traditionalists as far as their culture,
Speaker 4: and they didn't want her to lose that, and she
Speaker 4: felt like she had to lose it because of the
Speaker 4: people that she was around in school. I think she
Speaker 4: was using Instagram, but it was a filter on Instagram.
Speaker 4: You said it was an app. It was Instagram, and
Speaker 4: she was supposed to app. But the filter is what
Speaker 4: made her white.
Speaker 7: Not that just's technic just well, actually, I'm just saying
Speaker 7: they would have said about they, Yeah, I thought it was.
Speaker 3: I thought it was.
Speaker 4: The notes have been played in this the Stinky Lunch,
Speaker 4: like all the stuff like I've seen before, So it
Speaker 4: was playing the typical.
Speaker 2: Notes what about y'all, What did y'all think of Joan
Speaker 2: and her family anything.
Speaker 6: I can just tell that she was she was, she was,
Speaker 6: She's clearly Asian. But but nah, I can tell that
Speaker 6: she was like enamored by like American culture. So that
Speaker 6: and I thought, the uh, the filter thing was interesting.
Speaker 6: So they basically you know, I mean a lot of
Speaker 6: people do that, not just you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: just these filters, and you know that these filters have
Speaker 6: to come from from somewhere, and not understanding that they
Speaker 6: might be market research happening behind these are like, Okay,
Speaker 6: you're using this and you're using that, So just being
Speaker 6: careful with the stuff that you be using.
Speaker 2: Sometimes Wait, so there are filters that will make you
Speaker 2: into a white person.
Speaker 4: Enhancements and stuff like that, you'll look different.
Speaker 2: But this literally made her into a white woman. That
Speaker 2: was the whole point, because.
Speaker 3: That's probably one out there like that. I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't either. Yeah, yeah, I mean you're selling it off, rip.
Speaker 5: I guess there's well, it was an hour thirty some
Speaker 5: minute maybe movie or whatever, so you're jumping into it
Speaker 5: as like she's just upset with being white. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: there's no real like, what was the trigger. You're constantly
Speaker 5: being like embarrass picked on, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: It was just you're just throwing into her.
Speaker 5: Here's this girl, she's obsessed with being white, even doing
Speaker 5: the filter, so you know, and we just have to
Speaker 5: go with that and run with that for the rest
Speaker 5: of the story.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of what it is.
Speaker 4: I think she grew into it though, Oh it's obsessed.
Speaker 4: I think when she originally got that, she was cool
Speaker 4: with who she was, but it's just being around all
Speaker 4: those white people, and she felt like she had to
Speaker 4: be white to be accepted.
Speaker 3: It's what I got from.
Speaker 2: I get your point. There wasn't a lot of backstory
Speaker 2: for her. But I think them dropping in the part
Speaker 2: where she was really young and she had her food
Speaker 2: and all the white girls got up and left, I
Speaker 2: think they thought that would be enough. Yeah, they thought
Speaker 2: that we would just fell in fill in the blanks.
Speaker 2: I do agree, we didn't have enough to make me
Speaker 2: understand why she was so beyond abnormally obsessed with first
Speaker 2: of all being a prom queen and second of all
Speaker 2: being a white woman. It was just it didn't hit
Speaker 2: it didn't hit at all for me.
Speaker 6: I think that stuff is pushed in our society, in society,
Speaker 6: especially American society, even with the Barbie dolls and things
Speaker 6: like that straight hair, it's even pushed to our our
Speaker 6: girls and stuff.
Speaker 3: No, I got all that.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is for someone to go through this
Speaker 2: type of transformation in this film, you gotta give me
Speaker 2: a little bit more than I was upset about Barbie
Speaker 2: dolls or I want to be prom queen like it.
Speaker 2: Just there wasn't enough meat on this for me, and
Speaker 2: and and you know what, I can take me out.
Speaker 3: Of the picture. I didn't even need it though, because
Speaker 3: you're black.
Speaker 2: But let's let's draw a regular ass, boring, unseasoned white
Speaker 2: person into this film who doesn't even have any awareness
Speaker 2: of anything. There's no backstory for this one. There's to
Speaker 2: to to to get to the point where I'm going
Speaker 2: to change my race. There's not enough here for me
Speaker 2: to understand.
Speaker 6: I don't need it because I because I live here
Speaker 6: and I see advertisement and I see what's every day
Speaker 6: like what is the mass?
Speaker 5: But you live here, we grow up in it. In
Speaker 5: our community. It's constantly bombarded. We haven't really witness or
Speaker 5: seen it from their perspective.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 3: I don't need to, like just think if I'm.
Speaker 5: So much like, I could just take our experience is
Speaker 5: just layered on top of that and I'll be cool
Speaker 5: with it.
Speaker 6: So so what I'm saying is that, like you said,
Speaker 6: I'm from here, I'm I'm a Black American, right, They're
Speaker 6: coming from another country. She's a little girl growing up
Speaker 6: in a certain neighborhood watching television. That's all she sees
Speaker 6: and all she experiences. She's not around other ages. She's
Speaker 6: not they're not in an Asian community.
Speaker 2: It didn't seem like, No, that's that's not we don't
Speaker 2: know that. It didn't seem like because they're still the
Speaker 2: parents are still very deeply entrenched in their own cult culture.
Speaker 6: Yes in the house, yes, but I don't see it
Speaker 6: on the outside. I didn't see I thought it.
Speaker 3: Was more her idea.
Speaker 4: I'm greeing with Rodden since I thought her idea of
Speaker 4: beauty beauty right white a white woman, she never seen like.
Speaker 4: I think we don't have that issue as belliding being
Speaker 4: Black America. We know the beautiful black people, so we
Speaker 4: have that ideology in our head to be like, well,
Speaker 4: I can be beautiful and still be black. I thought
Speaker 4: she felt like in order to be beautiful, she had
Speaker 4: to be white.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what the movie says to us. Okay, got it.
Speaker 3: I feel like again, I need to.
Speaker 2: See a little bit more of this and we'll get
Speaker 2: to the transformation, because that was some bullshit to me.
Speaker 2: But also with the company itself, it doesn't make sense
Speaker 2: because the material for the company was like, this isn't
Speaker 2: checking out here. If this is supposed to be about beauty,
Speaker 2: this is not checking out. So I had a lot
Speaker 2: of issues with the baseline material for this film. Now
Speaker 2: for us to assume she's never seen an attractive Asian woman.
Speaker 3: Y'all gonna have to tell us that because I.
Speaker 2: Just I'm not. I don't feel like I should have
Speaker 2: to put this much assumption into a movie that's about
Speaker 2: a culture completely different than mine.
Speaker 5: And I agree with that, like historically based on what
Speaker 5: I read and all the other stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it, I know it exists.
Speaker 5: I know they've been experienced sort of racism and prejudice
Speaker 5: as well. But show us and give us just a
Speaker 5: little bit more about the nuances, right, you know that
Speaker 5: we don't know, like anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: I didn't need that because they talked about it towards
Speaker 6: the end, which I bring remember, try to remember to
Speaker 6: bring that up.
Speaker 3: They didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know what part you're talking about. She changed
Speaker 2: her whole race. I feel her entire Like when we
Speaker 2: watched The Substance, they made it very painfully clear why
Speaker 2: Demi Moore's character was doing what she's doing. That's what
Speaker 2: this movie was missing. It wasn't even just age. It
Speaker 2: was the fact that the dude didn't think she was
Speaker 2: marketable anymore.
Speaker 3: It's like, this movie, didn't you look an I'm saying
Speaker 3: it's not because she still looks good.
Speaker 1: For her age. It's almost like they wanted to rely
Speaker 1: on her being prom queen.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: The reason why, yes, they made her obsessed with being
Speaker 2: a prom queen. And in order for her to be
Speaker 2: a prom queen, she has to be a white woman.
Speaker 3: And it's like, wait, so.
Speaker 6: Maybe, yeah, huh, I agree on the motive the queen, well,
Speaker 6: that's that's I was more so talking.
Speaker 1: To the background.
Speaker 6: I didn't need all the extra background as far to
Speaker 6: what she wanted to change, but the prong queen just
Speaker 6: wasn't enough.
Speaker 1: Motive.
Speaker 2: For me, it's sounds like you agree with us, but
Speaker 2: you are saying you don't because you agree on the motive.
Speaker 2: The motive to change her race being prom queen doesn't
Speaker 2: really make any sense.
Speaker 3: I needed more motive than just being prong queen. But
Speaker 3: I all, but I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't need the extra background and the nuance of
Speaker 6: saying why she would want to be prom queen.
Speaker 3: Man, that's not no.
Speaker 1: I'll just move on, don't.
Speaker 3: I don't need the extra But I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm with y'all.
Speaker 3: I don't. I'm enough motive, but I don't need no
Speaker 3: more motive. I'm with y'all on the prom queen shit
Speaker 3: that that ship was weak to me. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3: The prom queen motive was weak to me.
Speaker 6: But I also still don't need the back, the extra
Speaker 6: background on how we got there. That like the nuance
Speaker 6: and the story there, I don't need that extra stuff.
Speaker 6: I can I can feel in that. I can feel
Speaker 6: in that part. It still doesn't mean I like the motives,
Speaker 6: but I can feel.
Speaker 3: In the other part. Maybe maybe maybe that's not Maybe
Speaker 3: it makes sense to somebody out there, I'm sure it does. Like, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm sure it does, even if it's a few people.
Speaker 1: Just gotta reach one minute.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, all right.
Speaker 2: So after concocting a plan to run for prom queen
Speaker 2: with her friend I think it's pronounced Brenda. What did
Speaker 2: y'all take from the scene in the car with her
Speaker 2: mom where she's playing the Asian music and she keeps
Speaker 2: turning it down?
Speaker 3: Why are you laughing? We're gonna start with you, spikes
Speaker 3: that you laughing about? You? Oh the radio?
Speaker 2: She said that, don't nobody touched an Asian woman's radio?
Speaker 1: Did she say that?
Speaker 3: I missed that point?
Speaker 4: I thought about you cutting it down, But it was
Speaker 4: like at that point in time where it was really
Speaker 4: starting to show how irritated she was with her culture,
Speaker 4: with how she'd been raised, and it just she she
Speaker 4: wanted to disconnect herself totally from.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep.
Speaker 2: Does y'all anything different from that?
Speaker 1: That's that's yeah.
Speaker 2: They so they go to pick up her dad from
Speaker 2: the house that he's cleaning.
Speaker 3: What did you think about what happens there? Ken with
Speaker 3: with the white lady?
Speaker 5: This was very like, it felt very over the top
Speaker 5: for me, really, yeah, because it's just like we're gonna
Speaker 5: make him uh, a person that's gonna like her. The
Speaker 5: way the white person was acting, I got, but you know,
Speaker 5: heard him being like a cleaning person, not knowing English.
Speaker 1: It seemed like we're just gonna make it. I guess
Speaker 1: very obvious.
Speaker 5: That he's he's being you know, discriminated upun or looked
Speaker 5: down upon and stuff like that. So I don't know,
Speaker 5: I don't know. I felt maybe I wanted something a
Speaker 5: little bit smarter.
Speaker 2: Damn, okay, did you need something smarter?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I liked it.
Speaker 6: I mean I absolutely think that they probably act like
Speaker 6: that and think they're doing such a oh weird adopting
Speaker 6: black children, And like I thought there.
Speaker 5: Was her whole setup was weird, like she had all
Speaker 5: the ship and something like that. Yeah, yeah, I get that,
Speaker 5: but it just felt like we just I don't know,
Speaker 5: it was just a lot.
Speaker 6: I like that set up because as soon as he
Speaker 6: did something that she didn't approve of, it's like all
Speaker 6: that ship and you had to refrain from being racist.
Speaker 6: At that point, you wanted to be racist so bad,
Speaker 6: but you got all this ship in your home, like
Speaker 6: like you're just down for the call, and then soon
Speaker 6: as something happened.
Speaker 1: Like that, you ready to fucking fire them and.
Speaker 3: Just tear him a new one. Yep, you're a gread
Speaker 3: that spike. You don't care. No, I agree with the Asians.
Speaker 3: I just never see as cleaning man.
Speaker 1: I think that's what That's what you said.
Speaker 5: It was like weird, like we're just gonna give him
Speaker 5: like the bottom of the sort of pole, like this
Speaker 5: the only job he can fine.
Speaker 1: Well, and what year was it that was? So that
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, its just modern. It was.
Speaker 5: It was We're in a modern world with something that
Speaker 5: seemed like it would have been something in the forties,
Speaker 5: fifties whatever.
Speaker 2: What wait, what would be from the fortes an Asian
Speaker 2: cleaning person?
Speaker 1: Yeah or whatever?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I disagree with I think it makes sense, especially
Speaker 2: given what Joan says to him later, him not being
Speaker 2: able to He does speak some English, he understands some English.
Speaker 3: But he's an idealist.
Speaker 2: He's just I mean, especially when we get to the
Speaker 2: to the very end with his monologue. But I think
Speaker 2: him coming to the United States and becoming a cleaning person,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I didn't have any problem with that.
Speaker 2: And as far as I've never seen an Asian cleaning person,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think I haven't seen many cleaning people period.
Speaker 2: You know, my family's as bougie as you, Spike, so
Speaker 2: you never had clean the cleaning people in my house
Speaker 2: with me, So.
Speaker 1: I do got I guess again we're with.
Speaker 5: Some with Spike, not that they don't exist, it's that,
Speaker 5: you know, I've just always known them to be black people, or.
Speaker 1: The Mexican people or that too.
Speaker 5: So if this is a thing, then getting insight into
Speaker 5: that being the thing, I guess.
Speaker 1: It could be interesting.
Speaker 3: Now that's wrong with Rod.
Speaker 2: I don't think I needed insight into our Asian cleaning
Speaker 2: people a thing. I assume any migrant class would be.
Speaker 3: That's the type of jobs that they could probably.
Speaker 4: Be a usually, But I think i'm speaking to well,
Speaker 4: I'm thinking in stereotypes. Usually Asians are more affluent, even
Speaker 4: if they smart, would be the word that I'm smarter.
Speaker 2: Just because he's a cliper, he's not smart.
Speaker 3: I didn't say that.
Speaker 4: I'm sure he does, but I don't want to step
Speaker 4: on the point that you're gonna make later. But he'd
Speaker 4: been here ten years and didn't bother to learn the
Speaker 4: language to do anything like you usually.
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that.
Speaker 6: Wow, I'm only saying that because Asians take that stuff seriously?
Speaker 3: What do you mean agents usually take they have, like you.
Speaker 4: Tech jobs and engineering jobs and things of that nature,
Speaker 4: that that stereotype.
Speaker 2: God, Spike, are you what are you doing?
Speaker 3: What are you doing? I was just saying black people
Speaker 3: can play basketball? How Mike, they can't play? To me,
Speaker 3: why you can't play basketball?
Speaker 1: Mike?
Speaker 3: Why are you so slow? How come you can't run fast? Mind?
Speaker 1: But you should have been able to play basketball though.
Speaker 3: There's no reason you shouldn't be a play right you're
Speaker 3: black as Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not saying it's just they aim higher than that.
Speaker 4: I'll say, you can't. I can't say that.
Speaker 3: You're being so racist right now, even know you are
Speaker 3: being raed.
Speaker 1: I do know what you say.
Speaker 3: You like, I'm not in this by myself. I'm taking
Speaker 3: you with me right here.
Speaker 1: I didn't say that.
Speaker 3: I just like I knew what you meant when you
Speaker 3: were saying what you say. I just I just on
Speaker 3: what you just said.
Speaker 2: My team comment and ship compared to what just went out.
Speaker 2: You might say, Look, they're smart. They're all smart, every
Speaker 2: single one. They all got tech jobs, every single one
Speaker 2: of the end. They are higher than cleaning people. I mean, King,
Speaker 2: King who I did.
Speaker 3: Not trying to get people on the You're trying to
Speaker 3: get people on the t that's my thought.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 3: I was like, come on, I was not. I oh,
Speaker 3: oh my god, I'm not. I don't think we should
Speaker 3: review this movie that I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 1: I haven't said anything that.
Speaker 3: Was fine Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: Right now. I just thought it was weird.
Speaker 2: I never thought it was weird because I understand why
Speaker 2: a person moving to this country, especially when I have
Speaker 2: the understanding that this whole facade of opportunity and it's
Speaker 2: all bullshit.
Speaker 3: There's not this wealth of opportunity in the United States.
Speaker 2: So someone moving here, especially if you don't oh right,
Speaker 2: especially if someone doesn't know the language that well, that's
Speaker 2: probably a fairly easy job for them to get because
Speaker 2: a lot of people will assume that they're not very smart,
Speaker 2: they're not you know, and they'll think they're not gonna
Speaker 2: steal you know. It's just yeah, I think there's a
Speaker 2: wealth of understanding of why a migrant would become a
Speaker 2: cleaning person. I thought this scene was cool because, like
Speaker 2: the woman came off as a very typical standard liberal
Speaker 2: performative liberal the whole like I made you some tea,
Speaker 2: you know, almost like you people like tea, you know.
Speaker 2: And then when she says that shit about oh my god,
Speaker 2: you're so beautiful, do you know that? It just comes
Speaker 2: off as so condescending and it's triggering because again, this
Speaker 2: is an Asian story, so I don't want to, you know,
Speaker 2: step on the Asian part of this story. But man,
Speaker 2: as a black person, I've seen that same ship from
Speaker 2: white folks, especially to little black girls.
Speaker 1: That's what was saying earlier.
Speaker 5: He said that black women know, they know they've seen
Speaker 5: beautiful black women.
Speaker 1: He said. I guess he was trying to say he
Speaker 1: just don't know that.
Speaker 3: What she did.
Speaker 2: Moving on, I've seen white women look at young black
Speaker 2: girls and be like.
Speaker 3: You know you're pretty, You're just so yeah, your hair
Speaker 3: is so Yeah. That part was very very relatable.
Speaker 1: Did she say something to her hair too?
Speaker 3: I can't remember.
Speaker 4: That.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that part, did you know?
Speaker 1: I've seen that before.
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Speaker 8: y'all take anything from the dreams you had about winning prom?
Speaker 1: And we're gonna be allies when the shit over?
Speaker 2: We should be allies now, Well, we're not gonna be
Speaker 2: to meet Spike, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Like, why are you working? Why don't you have a
Speaker 3: tech job? Are you one of the are you one
Speaker 3: of the few dumb ones at least at least?
Speaker 1: No wonder over here? You got?
Speaker 3: All right, y'all? Come on, yeah, y'all going too far now?
Speaker 2: I apologize for these two guys.
Speaker 3: The dream, the dream? Yeah, yeah, what happened?
Speaker 2: She they she wins prom and she gets up to
Speaker 2: the stage and when she looks at herself in the mirror,
Speaker 2: she has and she's holding cleaning supplies. Mm hmm, okay,
Speaker 2: well I thought that seems cool. Guess not all right,
Speaker 2: So still obsessed with becoming prom queen, she walks down
Speaker 2: the hall showing all the previous prom queens, who were
Speaker 2: all white and blonde. She then decides to dye her
Speaker 2: hair blonde, and she also blows off plants with her
Speaker 2: mom to go to the nail salon with Olivia and
Speaker 2: her friends. I'm afraid to ask Spike anything some starting
Speaker 2: on this side of the room, Rod, what did you
Speaker 2: think about what goes down at the nail salon?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was so fucked up. They were trying to
Speaker 6: get a discount. But I like that the owner stood
Speaker 6: on business though until she didn't.
Speaker 2: Right, we don't know because she said.
Speaker 3: That's true, that's true.
Speaker 6: But but now, yeah, that that was a crazy scene
Speaker 6: to watch and just kind of seeing the owner's face
Speaker 6: like I know what you're doing, Like you know, I
Speaker 6: ain't going for it. But yeah, it was kind of
Speaker 6: funked up that they were just using her to to
Speaker 6: try to get a discount on on their nails and whatnot.
Speaker 3: So no, that was that scene.
Speaker 5: And to assimilate, to fit in, to be part of
Speaker 5: the so called majority, she was willing to be used,
Speaker 5: which is a normal thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, willing to
Speaker 5: circumvent her culture, which I like that. Like, you know,
Speaker 5: the person that owned the place was like, this is
Speaker 5: my this is my shop. This is what we do.
Speaker 5: These we reward ourselves, you know, and not others. You know,
Speaker 5: this is how, you know, we can keep our sense
Speaker 5: of community, our sense of culture, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 5: And she was really trying to get her to kind
Speaker 5: of stay embedded in that, and you know, to no
Speaker 5: of l you know, I'm assuming that she gave her
Speaker 5: the discount to maybe try to help her out, unless
Speaker 5: she put the foot of the bill, for which I
Speaker 5: doubt she doubted paying, you know, that extra twenty percent. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so I doubt that that would happen because it didn't
Speaker 5: seem like they had a lot of money anyway. So
Speaker 5: but nah, this this was a dope scene seeing her
Speaker 5: push for that and just kind of sad seeing them
Speaker 5: kind of use her in that way, and you know, and.
Speaker 1: Didn't really even really care about her at all. It
Speaker 1: was fucked up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought the same thing.
Speaker 2: I didn't really get the kind of slight that Olivia
Speaker 2: said to Joan at the end of the conversation. She
Speaker 2: was like, I can see your roots, but the friend
Speaker 2: next to her had black roots, So like, whoa, what
Speaker 2: are we talking about?
Speaker 1: I think, oh, yeah, I don't either, because she wasn't
Speaker 1: white man never.
Speaker 2: Mind, Yeah, she wasn't white yet she had just dyed
Speaker 2: her hair anyway, that was weird.
Speaker 6: That was kind of weird because even when she did
Speaker 6: dye her hair, it still had black like streaks in it,
Speaker 6: so it never was just like purely blond.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was a little odd.
Speaker 5: Or maybe it was like, no matter what you do,
Speaker 5: you won't be one of us, because I could still
Speaker 5: see the roots.
Speaker 1: Right, So yeah, maybe that was it.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, maybe it was like, I don't know, layer,
Speaker 5: like I could still see your roots, and maybe a
Speaker 5: double meeting.
Speaker 3: Maybe the messaging part the message part.
Speaker 2: Sure, i'll buy, But in relation to the movie, it
Speaker 2: didn't really make a lot of sense because it was
Speaker 2: just like, the girl literally standing right next to you
Speaker 2: has dark roots. So if you're just saying I can
Speaker 2: see it looked like that's.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying. Yeah, it wasn't like blond.
Speaker 3: Well yeah she had, yeah her hair, she had layers,
Speaker 3: but it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she's she being Jon has been getting these
Speaker 2: messages from the company that does the white face filter.
Speaker 3: They're called Ethnos.
Speaker 2: Spike, I'll just throw this to you and hope you
Speaker 2: don't say anything crazy. What did you think about her
Speaker 2: visit to the facility.
Speaker 4: The first time she went to go check it out? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I knew she was going. Like I said, this movie
Speaker 4: was a lot of predict predictable, so I knew she
Speaker 4: was gonna do it, even though she didn't do at
Speaker 4: that time.
Speaker 3: So yeah, did.
Speaker 2: Y'all think of anything interesting about her first visit to
Speaker 2: the facility?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 6: It was interesting that you have to go through this.
Speaker 6: I guess like looked like it was a closed down shop.
Speaker 6: So it's almost like a speakeasy type of place where
Speaker 6: just very exclusive, if you know, you know, type of thing.
Speaker 6: So it just looked sketchy. Definitely looked sketchy. I did
Speaker 6: not know that they the people that were working there
Speaker 6: were probably of other ethnicities or whatever, so I didn't
Speaker 6: know that until until they said it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys mentioned the substance.
Speaker 5: The substance kind of did a very similar sort of
Speaker 5: set up when it comes to the facility.
Speaker 1: This is where it starts to.
Speaker 5: Get a little weird for for me, because and correct
Speaker 5: me if I'm wrong. I'm trying to remember, but it
Speaker 5: seemed like it shifted to just the black people getting
Speaker 5: this procedure more than others. Like the guy the doctor
Speaker 5: was black, wasn't either, the secretary was black.
Speaker 3: The secretary was black, the doctor was he was a
Speaker 3: white dude, South Asian.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I don't think there were actually a lot
Speaker 2: of examples.
Speaker 1: Balance.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was balanced, all right, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: maybe maybe my own boys looking at it like, well,
Speaker 5: I gotta be now shifting like you're trying to use
Speaker 5: us to tell this story.
Speaker 1: But okay, cool suit correction.
Speaker 3: Well, nobody called this out.
Speaker 2: My one of my issues was in this scene, especially
Speaker 2: when I think back on it. Uh, I don't think
Speaker 2: they did a great job of really conveying what you
Speaker 2: get by becoming white. Uh, because the white specimens in
Speaker 2: this room they were not top specimens.
Speaker 3: Well, it was more so about privilege.
Speaker 2: See was that it for Joan? No, for Joan, they
Speaker 2: were trying to make it seem like it was about beauty, not.
Speaker 3: Privilege, See, I thought, and privilege.
Speaker 2: See, they did not do a good job to me
Speaker 2: with conveying the message of what white privilege even is
Speaker 2: or what you benefit from getting you know, this procedure,
Speaker 2: because they're they're showing the woman in the video and
Speaker 2: she's just like, you know, you have no idea, you
Speaker 2: know that should I get away with by being a
Speaker 2: white woman.
Speaker 3: I thought that was good.
Speaker 2: Then they showed the video and this might be where
Speaker 2: you're thinking of the black people. They show the video
Speaker 2: of the doctor and he's changing a black man into
Speaker 2: a white man. The black man seemed to be an average,
Speaker 2: decent looking black man and they changed him to this busted.
Speaker 3: Ass old white dude.
Speaker 2: So if the point they're making is even if you
Speaker 2: are an attractive person of color, you're still better off
Speaker 2: white no matter what you look like. If that's the
Speaker 2: point they're trying to make, I'm cool with it. I
Speaker 2: just feel like they needed to push it a bit
Speaker 2: more because it wasn't clear.
Speaker 5: No, it wasn't this, Yes, I think that was it.
Speaker 5: I think it was the acceptance. It's like you walk
Speaker 5: through and you see just the wall of whites, you
Speaker 5: know that are prom queens, and.
Speaker 3: But they're all pretty whites.
Speaker 5: Yeah, But also in there they were also trying to
Speaker 5: convey like the other messaging about just privilege and assets
Speaker 5: and acceptability. Know, this super good looking or whatever he
Speaker 5: is black guy becomes this average looking white man and
Speaker 5: that's susceptible and you will get all these sort of
Speaker 5: privileges as as the other girl said, So I think
Speaker 5: maybe in this part of the movie they were using
Speaker 5: this to kind of convey that part of it in
Speaker 5: addition to her trying to be prom queen and maybe
Speaker 5: her going to the salon of being acceptive. Well, no,
Speaker 5: because she wanted their endorsement for prom Queen, which is
Speaker 5: why she wanted to get in with them.
Speaker 2: Right, yes, yes, here's why that does not work. Joan
Speaker 2: was not going there to become white to just be accepted.
Speaker 2: She was going there because she wanted to become prom queen.
Speaker 2: To be prom queen, she saw it as you need
Speaker 2: to be like a top looking white So they weren't.
Speaker 2: They never even gave her the indication that like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you'll be a really attractive white woman. You're just gonna
Speaker 2: be You're just gonna be a white person. So I
Speaker 2: feel like this movie could have worked if you remove
Speaker 2: the whole prom queen shit and just make it that
Speaker 2: Joan is not feeling accepted. So even if I become
Speaker 2: a less attractive white woman, my life is still gonna
Speaker 2: be better off.
Speaker 3: But it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Vibe with the whole prom queen thing.
Speaker 1: To me.
Speaker 2: It was just like the messaging is all over the
Speaker 2: place with this movie. It's like they could not figure
Speaker 2: out what angle we wanted to go with with get Out.
Speaker 3: The angle was so clear with these white people.
Speaker 2: They were like, look, it doesn't matter what you look like,
Speaker 2: I just want to be in this body.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: They took a very elementary approach to it, yes, using
Speaker 5: the prom queen as the motive.
Speaker 2: And then they abandoned the motive when they get to
Speaker 2: this facility. It's like, wait a minute, and she's only
Speaker 2: going there because she doesn't feel accepted. Fine, but she
Speaker 2: wants to be a beautiful white woman. Just being a
Speaker 2: basic ass white woman's not gonna get you, prom queen.
Speaker 5: And or maybe they were trying to use that to
Speaker 5: also illustrate or sell other reasons why or reasons why
Speaker 5: other people have adopted that surgery so or whatever the
Speaker 5: process is in addition to her having a very simple
Speaker 5: reason for it, you know, so, and that's why they're successful.
Speaker 5: So you just want to be prom queen and beautiful, right,
Speaker 5: these other people wanted these other things that would allow
Speaker 5: them to be accepted in society.
Speaker 1: That's outside of that.
Speaker 3: That makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the doctor never had a conversation with her,
Speaker 2: being like, look, you're going to be a beautiful white woman.
Speaker 3: Which again we will get to that part.
Speaker 2: So she has to take over the cleaning job for
Speaker 2: her dad since he's hurt his hand. He cut his hand,
Speaker 2: he broke a vase or something.
Speaker 3: She finds out the owner of the house is going
Speaker 3: out of town.
Speaker 2: Then, after getting embarrassed by some students, they drew dicks
Speaker 2: on her little prom queen flyers tricks her mom and
Speaker 2: the signing the permission slip to get the full race swap.
Speaker 3: What did y'all think of that part?
Speaker 2: The procedure part, including that good to be Good to
Speaker 2: be White song?
Speaker 3: That was that a bop spike good to be White song?
Speaker 1: You remember?
Speaker 3: Oh man, that ship was so sound like.
Speaker 2: The police are our friends. Man, that was a source
Speaker 2: of safety. That was funny to me.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she got designed that the permission sip signed by
Speaker 4: her mom because her mom really didn't.
Speaker 1: Know what was going on.
Speaker 3: She told her it was a field trip. Yeah, they
Speaker 3: was going to a long permissionship.
Speaker 4: I ain't take anything from it in the procedure to
Speaker 4: switch over anything like that.
Speaker 5: So so this was the girls drove by and saw
Speaker 5: her with the cleaning stuff, right, yeah, and then she
Speaker 5: went to the school in there with the picture of
Speaker 5: the Dix and stuff. I thought they were gonna kind
Speaker 5: of make of seeing her with the cleaning supply. So
Speaker 5: that kind of threw me off that it was just
Speaker 5: they were just making doing that yeah sort of thing.
Speaker 5: So I was like, Okay, that's not where it didn't
Speaker 5: go where I thought it was gonna go.
Speaker 1: And that was enough to make you wanna.
Speaker 5: Okay again, I think the good to be white, we're
Speaker 5: just like you're selling it. That is a thing that's said.
Speaker 5: It is a phrase that's said, So we're just gonna
Speaker 5: kind of take that and add it into this sort
Speaker 5: of thing, and maybe you're letting white people know that
Speaker 5: that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wish you would have talked to them,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 5: But but they're really hammering down and about this whole
Speaker 5: idea of whiteness and acceptability and the privileges and everything
Speaker 5: that comes with white, white, white white, white, white is
Speaker 5: great to be white, to the point where we got
Speaker 5: a song about it. Now, if that ship turns turns
Speaker 5: into a fucking damn nag of theme song, bro TikTok
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: That s would be fucking nuts. That's what they're gonna
Speaker 1: take that ship roight. No.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is the first time I had to suspend
Speaker 6: leaf with the parent signature things.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm like, that's not you.
Speaker 1: Know what I thought that. I thought she probably just
Speaker 1: couldn't read English.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I took it. She couldn't.
Speaker 2: She could, they could both speak basic English, but one
Speaker 2: they had no reason to trust their daughter, and two
Speaker 2: that might have been a lot of English for her
Speaker 2: to read. So she's probably just like and they're watching
Speaker 2: a movie or doing something.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know how they tried to set it up
Speaker 6: as that she just wasn't like paying attention. But I
Speaker 6: just it just like as a parent that signs permission slips,
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: But but no, no, But so I do understand because
Speaker 5: my wife reads everything. However, we're probably different, you know,
Speaker 5: because there have been times I could, hey, Mom, I
Speaker 5: need this signa she probably my mom wouldn't read it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and my mom.
Speaker 3: Was a teacher, so she knew I wasn't gonna lie
Speaker 3: to her.
Speaker 1: Though, right, so I could get why she would just
Speaker 1: go ahead and just sign it.
Speaker 2: And her daughter had never been in I get what
Speaker 2: you're saying, though, but her daughter had never been in trouble.
Speaker 2: They had no reason not to believe her. And she says, hey,
Speaker 2: I want to go on a field trip where you
Speaker 2: sign this permission slip, and that was.
Speaker 3: Really the starting end of it.
Speaker 2: I didn't really I get why you'd have a problem
Speaker 2: with that because of the father you are. But me,
Speaker 2: I was just saying, all right, I had more of
Speaker 2: an issue And this is nothing against McKenna Grace. I
Speaker 2: have more of an issue with that's what they gave you.
Speaker 2: Like if I'm going to a facility and I want
Speaker 2: to be prom queen, I want to be this beautiful
Speaker 2: prom queen. And I'm not trying to be mean. I
Speaker 2: think McKenna Grace is a is a pretty little white girl.
Speaker 2: But it was like, that's it.
Speaker 5: I think that works, So I think that I think
Speaker 5: that is enough. I don't think she had to be
Speaker 5: beauty queen or Amazona or whatever. You want to where
Speaker 5: you want to say. I think I think it was
Speaker 5: just enough. You're damn now, you got me saying about
Speaker 5: to say something sounds fucked up.
Speaker 2: You've been saying that sounds fucked up this whole I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get you to say something that sounds average average.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't I don't think. I don't think it
Speaker 1: needs to be over like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it got to be overly. But she, to me,
Speaker 3: she's just like a basic ass white jack. But I
Speaker 3: think that was the point.
Speaker 1: I think that.
Speaker 6: Might have been the point. But because she still needed
Speaker 6: her endorsement.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 6: The other suspended belief was like being able to do
Speaker 6: that procedure without a parent present.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, yeah, that not yeah, because you're being a
Speaker 2: little picky.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: You can't even get tattoos without There's no procedure in
Speaker 2: the world that can turn you into a white person.
Speaker 3: So I know, I mean that that was the obvious.
Speaker 6: I mean, why isn't there a parent in the room?
Speaker 6: I mean, that's the obvious one. I'm just saying the
Speaker 6: other stuff that I was listening.
Speaker 1: That is a good point, right, But that is also
Speaker 1: a good point.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, so, now if you want to
Speaker 2: really get into suspending this belief, which I this is
Speaker 2: where I thought you were going.
Speaker 3: Where did she get the money for this? Oh?
Speaker 1: He said, he.
Speaker 3: Said she got a discount or something. Na, the hair
Speaker 3: was free. That's it.
Speaker 4: I thought in the in the DMS, you should one
Speaker 4: time offer whatever it may be, take advantage of this.
Speaker 2: Now, maybe she did get a discount, but still it didn't.
Speaker 2: The movie never came off like she was loaded. Because
Speaker 2: her parents were extremely working class, this procedure had to
Speaker 2: be a grip. So I was just like, all right,
Speaker 2: what's happening here? Is this a dream sequence? Because how
Speaker 2: was she even getting this procedure done?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, the procedure time because again with the substance, we
Speaker 2: had fucking Margaret quality crawling out.
Speaker 3: Of Demi Moore's back.
Speaker 2: So I was like, okay, you know, but this ship,
Speaker 2: it was just like y'all didn't think a lot of
Speaker 2: this movie through. It seemed like y'all just threw some
Speaker 2: shit together.
Speaker 1: It seems like it really on a budget.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and they wasted most of the budget on
Speaker 2: the actor.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But yeah, So after she shows up at.
Speaker 2: Home as a white woman, her parents stormed down the
Speaker 2: Ethnes to get a reversal, but the doctor says it's permanent,
Speaker 2: and outside, Mom, Dad and Joan have a very hard discussion.
Speaker 2: Did y'all take anything interesting from that discussion? Y'all remember it?
Speaker 5: It was just when he told her about you know,
Speaker 5: your grandmother and I can see your grandmother and your
Speaker 5: eyes and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was killed that ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think all of this was good.
Speaker 6: I think all of this was a good one because
Speaker 6: I was like, how the fuck they're gonna do this?
Speaker 6: Like she's about to come home as a whole, white,
Speaker 6: different person, and I'm like, how are they going to
Speaker 6: execute this? And I feel like they did this well
Speaker 6: because they did not believe, like, you're not my fucking daughter.
Speaker 6: It took them, It took her everything to try to
Speaker 6: convince them, Like she had to single songs.
Speaker 3: He still was like, He's like.
Speaker 5: Nah, I don't know what Like if my kid, you
Speaker 5: take your ass right back out of here, that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hell you can.
Speaker 5: I could see the hurt and feel the hurt that
Speaker 5: they had that she just it was legally erased everything
Speaker 5: that they were.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to talk to her no more.
Speaker 1: No, and basically went on about their lives too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like the scene a lot. But the mom says,
Speaker 2: you know, being Chinese is what made and she says, no,
Speaker 2: being Chinese is what made me weak. It's like, god, damn,
Speaker 2: this is a lot butter Again, I didn't really get
Speaker 2: a lot of that.
Speaker 6: I think the actor did well to the white girl
Speaker 6: because he made it seem like what's her name, but grace.
Speaker 3: I think she killed scream.
Speaker 6: I think I think I think credit needs to go
Speaker 6: to her as well, because I mean, I really felt
Speaker 6: like she was the other girl.
Speaker 3: In this moment.
Speaker 6: She's right, oh noelt I felt she did a really
Speaker 6: good job here.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I like when the dad says, I used
Speaker 2: to look in your face and see your grandma's eyes,
Speaker 2: and now I don't recognize my daughter anymore.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: This, this, this whole scene right here was fucking class.
Speaker 3: Is this When she snapped on him?
Speaker 2: When who snapped on whom? And she told him no, no, no,
Speaker 2: that that happens. Oh my god, my mom, Hey, can
Speaker 2: I eat a sweet potatoes?
Speaker 3: Crazy? Anyway? No, that's later.
Speaker 2: So to further fit in, she decides to throw a
Speaker 2: party at the house that her father cleans at unless
Speaker 2: she took something interesting from that conversation between her and
Speaker 2: Olivia in that room, which I didn't know. We can
Speaker 2: talk about the big scene here because Brenda shows up
Speaker 2: and confirms that White Joe is actually Joan after the
Speaker 2: race swap, and they share a touching moment where we
Speaker 2: think that they're gonna reconcile and they're gonna stay best friends.
Speaker 2: But then a turn happens when Olivia is telling Brenda
Speaker 2: and her friends made up of other POC, she tells
Speaker 2: them that.
Speaker 3: They have to leave go. What did you think of that?
Speaker 3: Seeing Spike that was dirty? I didn't think that.
Speaker 4: What I know the girl other girl said she had
Speaker 4: to show commitment or show that she was loyal to her,
Speaker 4: But I ain't think I thought she was gonna chicken
Speaker 4: out and not make her friend leave. I thought that
Speaker 4: she had built a deeper barn with her somebody. They
Speaker 4: had been friends for a while, not just high school,
Speaker 4: but like throughout school. So I thought that she had
Speaker 4: a deeper barn with her. So I was surprised. In
Speaker 4: a predictable movie, that was a surprising point right there.
Speaker 5: I think it was cool showing other races, showing them
Speaker 5: all grouped together like ver excluded from like white people.
Speaker 5: You know, again, very messaging in your face, you know,
Speaker 5: showing that you know, once you was, once you assimilate
Speaker 5: and adopt, you have to turn your back on your
Speaker 5: own community and you leave them behind, including friendships as well.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: I thought that was was it was good, but I
Speaker 5: knew she was going to say no because she hadn't
Speaker 5: accomplished a mission, and her mission was to become prom
Speaker 5: queen and that came at the expense of friendships and
Speaker 5: and bonds and loyalty that she has she has built
Speaker 5: over the years in pursuit of whiteness and uh, and
Speaker 5: she was willing to sacrifice whatever at the altered to
Speaker 5: accomplish that.
Speaker 1: So it's just were they the only Asian people in
Speaker 1: that community? Were people there?
Speaker 2: There were some black people there, there were there were
Speaker 2: it was a nice mix, but it was mostly people
Speaker 2: of color.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, showing certain that's certain allyship. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I did find that to be kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: Like you, Spike, I was like, is she gonna do it?
Speaker 3: Is she going to do it?
Speaker 2: And when she was like, y'all gotta leave, I was.
Speaker 1: Like, Wow, Now I'm surprised. Old girls didn't write her
Speaker 1: out because.
Speaker 6: I would have told that she switched by Yeah, mm hmm.
Speaker 3: They thought she was just a new girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Remember they when she came to school, they introduced her.
Speaker 5: As Joe, and the guy immediately started talking to her.
Speaker 5: You know, so they already show that there's privileges associated
Speaker 5: with it.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that back up. So that was
Speaker 2: again they were making it seem like because this was
Speaker 2: like the really good looking guy at the school, and
Speaker 2: basic Joe walks up and he's like, oh cool, Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's date. It's like, wait, what y'all not y'all not dah. Anyway,
Speaker 2: after it's announced that she's up for prom queen, she
Speaker 2: has an awkward conversation with Brenda. Do you remember this conversation?
Speaker 2: This is by the lockos. What do you think anything
Speaker 2: of this?
Speaker 4: Not any more than her kicking out of the party,
Speaker 4: just like she was on the same thing, right, Damn?
Speaker 3: Did y'all take anything from this? I don't remember your
Speaker 3: first moment?
Speaker 1: Shit.
Speaker 2: I thought this was an incredible scene. This is where
Speaker 2: Brenda tells her like, look, you changed the entire way
Speaker 2: you looked.
Speaker 3: Because you thought you were ugly.
Speaker 2: What does that how do you think that makes me Feelah?
Speaker 3: I thought she killed. This scene was before this party.
Speaker 2: No, it was after the party, because that's why she's
Speaker 2: chowing up to her, being like can we talk?
Speaker 3: Can we talk? Can we talk?
Speaker 1: That's right? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought this scene was really good.
Speaker 1: Damn it is. Yeah, it is an ele thing to say.
Speaker 2: And I watched an interview with the actress that plays
Speaker 2: Brenda and she said that was She brought that to
Speaker 2: the director that was not originally in the script. She
Speaker 2: was like, well, look, if she's changing herself to be
Speaker 2: white me as another person of color, that's obviously going
Speaker 2: to affect me.
Speaker 3: So what if I said this?
Speaker 2: And the director was like, yes, that's awesome. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I thought that scene was really good. So you about
Speaker 2: to say something? Oh, Joanne's face starts drooping and they
Speaker 2: give her some tape and some cream, which.
Speaker 3: You know, this part was fine.
Speaker 2: But that night, her mom and dad tell her that
Speaker 2: her dad's been fired due to the party.
Speaker 3: But while they're.
Speaker 2: Interrogating her about if she had the party, Joanne or Joan,
Speaker 2: blurts out something extremely rude and hurtful to her father.
Speaker 2: She says, take this as a blessing. Maybe now you
Speaker 2: can learn English and get.
Speaker 3: A real job. I said, damn out loud with me too,
Speaker 3: me too. I was like, god, damn, oh, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what did y'all think of this scene?
Speaker 5: She been holding that one in for a minute, you know,
Speaker 5: and and she's blaming to a certain degree of parents,
Speaker 5: you know, to a certain degree. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like
Speaker 5: you know, you have to work at this place. You
Speaker 5: never learned English, but also you never fit in, you know,
Speaker 5: with how things are in America. And that hurt his soul,
Speaker 5: it did.
Speaker 3: That actor killed it.
Speaker 1: He was crushed.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this could have taught him what English.
Speaker 3: See, that's the thing that's.
Speaker 2: When we when we were going to Spike was like, hell,
Speaker 2: he didn't even bother to learn English.
Speaker 3: He doesn't have to.
Speaker 2: And he makes that very clear, which in another scene
Speaker 2: that we'll get to in a bit in a few minutes.
Speaker 2: But I think that it was good that they did
Speaker 2: not have him be, you know, fluent in English. He
Speaker 2: was happy with the life that he had. He worked
Speaker 2: as a janitor and he also cleaned houses. He had
Speaker 2: a loving family. He didn't need anything else. He just
Speaker 2: wanted to be in America. But again, I can't get
Speaker 2: into that before without giving away a couple other things.
Speaker 3: Only a few more scenes to this anyway. But while
Speaker 3: that prom which are you talking about this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, her face starts drooping again, Olivia comes in the bathroom.
Speaker 2: While helping her, she reveals that she also went through
Speaker 2: the program. I'm not gonna front. This got me.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, ship, I said, you knew it.
Speaker 3: I said she wanted them, she gotta be I said
Speaker 3: she gotta be one. I didn't call it.
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 3: She played the white girl so too. Yeah, it was
Speaker 3: like I didn't.
Speaker 1: I'm with Mike.
Speaker 3: I still didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't know.
Speaker 3: That was a shackra for me when I.
Speaker 2: Didn't think she was all the way white anyway. I
Speaker 2: thought she was like Spanish or some ship. It was
Speaker 2: a good twist though.
Speaker 1: It did good.
Speaker 3: It did well for the movie. It made it a
Speaker 3: little bit more interesting. I do it.
Speaker 5: It made sense when you start to play back some
Speaker 5: of the things she said, especially when she was.
Speaker 3: At the party, in the party in the rooms, like
Speaker 3: I know your secret.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. I was like, oh damn, that's what that meant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not. It was good though. That was that was
Speaker 1: a good reveal. Unfortunately it didn't work out in the
Speaker 1: way that she said it would.
Speaker 5: Uh there was, but yeah it all the body rejects
Speaker 5: it in the first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your face fights. No, that was good. They got
Speaker 1: me too.
Speaker 6: That what's fucked up about that is that at the party,
Speaker 6: like you knew her secret, that you still had her
Speaker 6: do that ship with her kicking out her friends.
Speaker 5: Are you one of us now still one of them?
Speaker 5: Are you holding on to you know, to your past?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So Jonahs elected prom queen, but while on stage accepting
Speaker 2: the award, her face melts and all her classmates freak out,
Speaker 2: and then she passes out.
Speaker 3: She wakes up at Olivia's.
Speaker 2: Place, where she finds out that her and her father
Speaker 2: are actually Cuban but they changed.
Speaker 3: Did y'all take anything.
Speaker 2: From this scene because there was quite a few things
Speaker 2: where I was like, this is this is actually kind
Speaker 2: of fucked up.
Speaker 4: I didn't I think I missed that was her dad.
Speaker 4: I thought they should They left their families. All did
Speaker 4: unseasoned food. How you have an all white plate?
Speaker 3: They had undercooked chicken.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the boiled chicken coliflour and mashed potatoes.
Speaker 3: Everything in the house was white.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 3: So his biggest thing to look out the drinking milk.
Speaker 4: And then some of the conversation that they were having,
Speaker 4: like like, we don't talk about race.
Speaker 3: Did he say that we don't even say that word here?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm thinking about like how to a certain degree society. Well,
Speaker 5: it's like you're saying, we don't talk about race, all
Speaker 5: this other things, but you want the standard to be white,
Speaker 5: you know, because that is in this world America, in
Speaker 5: the world period, the acceptable version, the acceptable race, and
Speaker 5: you want every thing to be that, which is why
Speaker 5: there's this fear of minority births and all this other
Speaker 5: stuff that's happening even right now, the whole white supremacy.
Speaker 5: Then preserving whiteness, you know, ship that we're seeing right now.
Speaker 5: So you're trying to say that we're doing this for
Speaker 5: the betterment of man kind of whatever the speech was,
Speaker 5: and he's getting rid of the idea of the construct
Speaker 5: the race, and we're just gonna be just one big
Speaker 5: whole society. But what is it is whiteness. So yeah,
Speaker 5: and everything is going to be white. So I think
Speaker 5: the interesting thing is you take like what they call
Speaker 5: them the model, the model minority or something like that
Speaker 5: model minority like the Asians and how they're perceived in America.
Speaker 1: The Yeah, and.
Speaker 5: So I thought that's why this movie was interesting seeing
Speaker 5: them know this story when when they when they were
Speaker 5: first here, they were looked upon and shun and and
Speaker 5: hate it. But later on adapted because they were contributing positively,
Speaker 5: you know, to America. But the elimination of race, trying
Speaker 5: to say we're gonna eliminate race and it's just gonna
Speaker 5: be white.
Speaker 1: Was it was very interesting?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I I thought some of the things that
Speaker 2: the dad was saying, like when he says, eventually people
Speaker 2: who don't share the same ideology fade away.
Speaker 3: So I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 2: This this kind of nazi ish uh commentary on assimilation.
Speaker 3: I thought that was cool.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the unseasoned, half cooked chicken and the drinking
Speaker 2: of just plain milk, I was like, this is disgusting, disgusting.
Speaker 3: Collie flower and ships, I'm just saying it was just.
Speaker 2: It does not expect you had a mash cauliflower.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just tight.
Speaker 2: It's just good. All right, they get some ship work,
Speaker 2: they get some ship white.
Speaker 5: Right, I did say, got me bro Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: Cauliflower.
Speaker 1: Rice is just.
Speaker 2: Funks off with that ship. That's definitely some white folks
Speaker 2: made that ship up.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: So she leaves.
Speaker 2: She returns home where she reconciles with her family, face off,
Speaker 2: fucked up.
Speaker 3: This part I think.
Speaker 2: Was very strong. The monologue from her father, whoever wants
Speaker 2: to go can jump in. What did y'all think of
Speaker 2: this part? All right, Spike, what did you think of
Speaker 2: this part? I didn't want to go far because you
Speaker 2: weren't paying attention, so I figured to get you out, Puck.
Speaker 3: I mean it was it was fine.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't as moved by it, but I do think
Speaker 4: that it showed great parenting and accepting their daughter. U oh,
Speaker 4: you're a great parent, and for what he had to say,
Speaker 4: and accepting her back after she had done that all
Speaker 4: that stuff.
Speaker 1: So I liked it.
Speaker 6: You know, this is the part I was talking about
Speaker 6: earlier with her and saying like why. This is where
Speaker 6: she's explained why you know you brought me to this country?
Speaker 1: What are you?
Speaker 3: Almost like kind of like what do you expect?
Speaker 6: I can't remember that came later, but this is where
Speaker 6: they kind of apologized for it.
Speaker 1: Right now.
Speaker 2: The mom says, we came here and we were already
Speaker 2: Asian or Chinese or whatever. Yeah, And she almost seemed
Speaker 2: like she was saying that she didn't really think through
Speaker 2: how she would feel, how it would feel growing up here.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's what I was saying, like when I
Speaker 6: didn't need the context because of this part, So I
Speaker 6: assume that you know, she's had this whole life of
Speaker 6: I mean cause even you look at the wall, like
Speaker 6: it's all white, white people, like all these white artists
Speaker 6: and things like that. So it's kind of the also
Speaker 6: made me think too, like, as a parent, how why
Speaker 6: aren't you a little bit more tapped in as to
Speaker 6: like what's going on.
Speaker 1: With your daughter?
Speaker 2: You mean, because of all the pictures and stuff on
Speaker 2: the wall.
Speaker 6: All the pictures she clearly I mean even when she
Speaker 6: dyed her hair, She's like, what.
Speaker 3: Did you do to your hair?
Speaker 1: I can see that because you kind of just think
Speaker 1: teens are being teens.
Speaker 3: Yes, but this was a string though.
Speaker 2: I didn't have a problem with this part, probably because
Speaker 2: I mean I grew up that way. You know, My
Speaker 2: walls were covered in skateboarders and the majority of them
Speaker 2: were white because back then there weren't that many black skateboarders.
Speaker 2: I dyed my hair maroon, I dyed my hair green.
Speaker 2: My mom just looked at it as, oh, he's different,
Speaker 2: he's an artist.
Speaker 3: It's fine.
Speaker 2: She never at any point was like, well, are you
Speaker 2: wanting to be white? Because that never entered, you know,
Speaker 2: the conversation ever with her. That conversation, of course, would
Speaker 2: happened at high school because they would look at you
Speaker 2: and be like, yeah, skateboarding, you wearing those big old
Speaker 2: baggy pants and whatever, you know, dyeing your hair, wearing
Speaker 2: these weird shirts.
Speaker 3: You want to be white? You know I don't, So
Speaker 3: I don't think that. Again.
Speaker 2: I think that you're probably looking at this from the
Speaker 2: lens of the type of father you are. But I
Speaker 2: don't think that this was a weird scene to me,
Speaker 2: like them just being like, well her, well.
Speaker 3: That's not true. It is weird. But I could also.
Speaker 2: See why a migrant family, first gen would not have
Speaker 2: a big issue with it because they.
Speaker 3: Wanted her to be American.
Speaker 2: And I don't want to say too much for y'all
Speaker 2: say everything that y'all want to say about said pretty
Speaker 2: much what I was saying. Did you have anything to
Speaker 2: add to this?
Speaker 3: Ken?
Speaker 5: You know, you don't think about the potential repercussions of decisions.
Speaker 5: You want to do the best thing that you that's
Speaker 5: for your kids, and for them, it was the land
Speaker 5: of opportunity here in America. To get them over here
Speaker 5: and to grow up in America to benefit from that.
Speaker 5: You know, we don't know what they were running into, what,
Speaker 5: you know, their positions were.
Speaker 1: All they knew is that.
Speaker 5: America was supposed to be better, yes, and they came
Speaker 5: over here, and to them, they thought that the cultural
Speaker 5: identity of who she is would remain intact a lot
Speaker 5: because of how they maintained their household and stuff like that,
Speaker 5: singing of songs, you know, and stuff like that, speaking
Speaker 5: the language and stuff. So there was definitely a blind
Speaker 5: spot to what rob was saying, was what is her
Speaker 5: life saying? Just visually, like all the posters of white
Speaker 5: people on the wall and the dying of the hair.
Speaker 1: The music to muse it.
Speaker 5: But again, you're in America, so it's a lot of
Speaker 5: that ship, you know. So you know, it's just it's
Speaker 5: white artists and she's at a white school, so you
Speaker 5: kind of start to adopt some of those things based
Speaker 5: on her peers. So it kind of made sense for
Speaker 5: her to kind of also ignore that, you know.
Speaker 1: Peer pressure and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: So but I love the conversation and just really saying
Speaker 5: that you know, to hold on to who you are,
Speaker 5: your identity and all the other stuff, and really basically
Speaker 5: accepting and taking her back.
Speaker 1: I think that was.
Speaker 5: Big of them, not me, You're not my daughter, face
Speaker 5: off up to look like damn Martin and ship you
Speaker 5: got that's funny.
Speaker 3: She actually does look like that's hilarious.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Well, so nobody touched on the dad's speech, which I'm
Speaker 2: a little disappointed in all three of you, because I
Speaker 2: thought the dad's speech was beautiful. I'm I'm really shocked. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm not shocked to Spike. The Spike didn't give a
Speaker 2: fuck about this movie at all.
Speaker 3: I don't remember what the dad oh man, So I wrote.
Speaker 2: I wrote it down in the theater he said, uh,
Speaker 2: he said being, He said, when I came here, I
Speaker 2: wanted to be American. But like he said, being American
Speaker 2: is not the goal. The goal is the opposite.
Speaker 3: He said.
Speaker 2: I stopped following other people and I became my own American.
Speaker 2: And you will find your own American too. That ship
Speaker 2: in the theater swear to guy gave me goosebumps.
Speaker 3: I was like, that's.
Speaker 2: Fucking beautiful, ye because to a cowboy had Yeah. But
Speaker 2: the whole I became my own American, And eventually you'll
Speaker 2: find your own American. It will happen because you have
Speaker 2: to understand what what actually not what Maga says American is,
Speaker 2: but what American actually is. It's anything, It's supposed to
Speaker 2: be anything. Being Americans should have nothing to do with
Speaker 2: white skin, ethnicity, nothing like that. It should be about
Speaker 2: having the freedom to do anything you want. This was
Speaker 2: the only time where I was like, damn, the movie
Speaker 2: is bringing it home, and especially coming from the father.
Speaker 2: So when you talk about he.
Speaker 3: Didn't bother to learn the English.
Speaker 2: He didn't have to because he was trying to find
Speaker 2: his own version of what an American was.
Speaker 3: And to him, it was just being here and being free, being.
Speaker 2: You know, having the ability to do what he wanted,
Speaker 2: you know, provide for his family and just be here.
Speaker 2: That's what he saw as being an American. It wasn't
Speaker 2: speaking English, it was what'd you saying?
Speaker 1: Or a software engineer working in.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, yes, it wasn't you know, having higher aspirations.
Speaker 3: He was a great father, and his daughter loved him.
Speaker 2: That's why this monologue was so good to me coming
Speaker 2: from him, because you can see how much his daughter
Speaker 2: adored him. The daughter didn't really fuck with the mom
Speaker 2: like that, but when the dad was leaving to go
Speaker 2: to work, by dad so long they had this beautiful relationship.
Speaker 2: He was so disappointed in her because he wanted her
Speaker 2: to have her own version of what an American is.
Speaker 3: But it's not a white person, right, So I love this.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's what he thought.
Speaker 6: She was doing this whole time, trying to find what
Speaker 6: her American is.
Speaker 2: Yes, but he was fine because she was still speaking
Speaker 2: Chinese and the house, you know, she was still helping
Speaker 2: her mom with the food.
Speaker 6: Yeah, for whatever, he's not long gone hit that. That
Speaker 6: part didn't hit me like that, damn. And I guess
Speaker 6: like because I'm not like patriotic. So it's just like
Speaker 6: when he said that, it was kind of cringey. Actually,
Speaker 6: oh wow, when he said that an American Like, I
Speaker 6: don't think I've ever said that, But why would you
Speaker 6: You're not an immigrant, You're an American period, you were
Speaker 6: born here.
Speaker 2: I think I think an immigrant saying that because there's
Speaker 2: been propaganda probably from day one about how great America
Speaker 2: is and how America is the land of the free.
Speaker 2: You get here and you realize that's not really the case.
Speaker 2: That's why he says being American is not the goal.
Speaker 3: I thought that was beautiful.
Speaker 6: I don't know if any mind my friends like that
Speaker 6: would say that, though.
Speaker 3: You ain't got no friends like that.
Speaker 6: Oh, I don't know what you ask them?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't think that's a crazy question.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're black. I'm sure they've asked you about
Speaker 2: being a black American. I don't think I got to
Speaker 2: ask you. I've never heard them say anything.
Speaker 1: I talked to my African friends like that all the time.
Speaker 3: I mean to do too, But have you ever heard
Speaker 3: them say anything like that?
Speaker 6: Not not Dick, I have other Africans.
Speaker 3: Jesus, really good. This scene really.
Speaker 1: Hit from me. It did.
Speaker 6: I like, I like some of the dog loog It
Speaker 6: was just that specific thing I did hit.
Speaker 3: Roight.
Speaker 1: What I am bro Americans? It's like some.
Speaker 3: Bullshit, that's his point.
Speaker 1: But why why why I say fine, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say real quick.
Speaker 6: And I'm just kind of reiterating, like why say, find
Speaker 6: my my own American.
Speaker 2: Because he's finding his own version of what that means
Speaker 2: to him. Being American is not the goal. The goal
Speaker 2: is the opposite. Y'all motherfuckers wasn't paying attention.
Speaker 1: I thought I was.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I thought this was the dopest fucking monologue
Speaker 2: in the whole movie.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I liked what he said before about it, you know,
Speaker 6: when he was disappointed and stuff. I like that, But
Speaker 6: I don't know if I remember that you brought it
Speaker 6: up about the Grid and that I thought that was
Speaker 6: really stronge.
Speaker 3: That was good. Yeah, yeah, I thought that was But
Speaker 3: I thought this was way better.
Speaker 2: Being American is not the goal, it's the opposite. I
Speaker 2: stopped following other people and became my own Americans.
Speaker 6: It sounded like it was supposed to be a bar.
Speaker 6: It was, and it wasn't patriotic. I'm surprised y'all read
Speaker 6: it that way.
Speaker 1: I didn't like it.
Speaker 2: It would have been patriotic if he said the opposite,
Speaker 2: being American is the goal.
Speaker 3: That's not what he said. He said, it's not the goal.
Speaker 3: I had to find my own American.
Speaker 2: He's I stopped following other people and became my own
Speaker 2: American anyway because the opportunity was still better than where
Speaker 2: he was.
Speaker 3: It's just like, it's just.
Speaker 2: Like when you look at when you look at people
Speaker 2: like Mexican folks, they're just like speaking Spanish and you're.
Speaker 3: Like, why can't you learn English?
Speaker 2: I don't fucking have to because English is not the
Speaker 2: the official language of America.
Speaker 3: Give me an example to find your own American.
Speaker 2: Him, No, that is real life, like when you see
Speaker 2: someone that, like you ever go up to.
Speaker 3: Like Beutford Highway doesn't mean yeeah.
Speaker 2: Beautford Highway for those listening is an area that is
Speaker 2: very predominantly Asian and Mexican. There are certain places in
Speaker 2: Beauford Highway.
Speaker 3: You not gonna hear a look at English.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I Guerican.
Speaker 2: That is their own American. They have they have found
Speaker 2: their own American. They've become their own American when they
Speaker 2: when they're from somewhere else and they're they're moving here,
Speaker 2: their idea of what being American is like, he said,
Speaker 2: cowboy hat, American flag T shirt, I'm proud being an American.
Speaker 3: No, I'm free. But then they realized, well, no, that's
Speaker 3: some bullshit.
Speaker 2: I can keep all of my own culture and still
Speaker 2: be here because there's no official ethnicity, language, nothing for America.
Speaker 3: I don't think we are our own version of American.
Speaker 6: Don't you think that I was sorry? I would I
Speaker 6: wouldn't say it that way, That's all I'm saying. I
Speaker 6: wouldn't say why not.
Speaker 2: You're an American and you're not just an African American.
Speaker 2: You're a different thinking. We don't fucking we don't talk
Speaker 2: about racist, asshole COVID here resting piss.
Speaker 3: But don't you look at all of us like that?
Speaker 2: Because think about it, if if if you took the
Speaker 2: idea of what an American is from MAGA. Right now,
Speaker 2: none of us are that, None of us are that.
Speaker 3: We have.
Speaker 2: We have found our own version of what an American is.
Speaker 2: We're all Americans.
Speaker 3: I'm an American, but I fucking hate this country, but
Speaker 3: I still live here. Right, You're an.
Speaker 2: American, but you're positive about you know plenty of shit,
Speaker 2: but you understand how fuckive American is, but you're still
Speaker 2: an American. We've all become our own version of what
Speaker 2: an American.
Speaker 6: And I feel that I just wouldn't say that out loud.
Speaker 2: Why I gotta ask, he says Corny it's.
Speaker 3: Just like, no, it's not about it being corny.
Speaker 6: I'm just not patriotic, and it sounds very It sounds
Speaker 6: that way to me because.
Speaker 3: You're from here.
Speaker 2: Think about this from the eyes of an immigrant. And
Speaker 2: I know I keep interrupting you, Spike, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say.
Speaker 4: It's like the guy to come over here, and let's
Speaker 4: say he knows landscape and he works as a landscape
Speaker 4: at a company for two three years, save his money
Speaker 4: of you by a truck, you're doing his own landscaping,
Speaker 4: and then he hires a crew of people that look
Speaker 4: like him, and like Mike said, it's his culture.
Speaker 3: Like that's his version of American.
Speaker 4: Like it don't got to be I came over here,
Speaker 4: learn the language, know the whatever test you gotta pay.
Speaker 4: It's it's I came over here, I worked my ass off,
Speaker 4: I built something up a company. I employed people that
Speaker 4: look like me. We get to be each other around
Speaker 4: each other, Like that's an American American dream.
Speaker 3: Yes, but we're quick.
Speaker 6: We got a rebuttal so so sure, like he's found
Speaker 6: his own American, but he's still not accepted that way.
Speaker 4: Though I think it matters, doesn't because we're going that
Speaker 4: were not accepted.
Speaker 3: We're Americans and we're not so.
Speaker 2: But that's the point. It doesn't matter what't say it
Speaker 2: that way, but their acceptance doesn't matter. Once again, being
Speaker 2: American is not the goal.
Speaker 3: The goal is the opposite.
Speaker 2: So that's why I'm not I'm not caring about what
Speaker 2: the fuck y'all want.
Speaker 3: As long as I got.
Speaker 2: My household, my family, and my culture is still intact.
Speaker 6: I don't give a fuck. Acceptotic it was, it's the opposite.
Speaker 6: It was the opposite of a patriotic statement. Yeah, it
Speaker 6: might he had to say American to make her understand
Speaker 6: maybe we've been brainwashing the thing.
Speaker 1: Anything like that sounds patriotic.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know, to a certain degree, I think
Speaker 5: it's just like, uh, just listening to them talk, there's
Speaker 5: not a lot of countries where that guy.
Speaker 1: Spike was describing can go to and do that.
Speaker 3: And do that, and that's an American thing.
Speaker 1: I guess that's kind of what.
Speaker 4: That's an American thing, like, you know, even if we
Speaker 4: go other places when we're talking about learning language, of
Speaker 4: course I was joking. But if you go other places
Speaker 4: and you don't bother to learn language, they don't they're
Speaker 4: not going to.
Speaker 3: Look at you.
Speaker 4: You can't build up I think anything reputable somewhere else,
Speaker 4: not speaking the language there.
Speaker 3: You think you can disagree, Yeah you can't. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think you can.
Speaker 2: I think there are places, especially if we're talking about well,
Speaker 2: obviously they speak English in the UK, but if you
Speaker 2: were moving to like France or someplace like that, I
Speaker 2: think it would not be super hard to accomplish that buthole. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm just throwing France for example. I'm probably you're You're
Speaker 2: probably right for correcting me. You're probably right, But I
Speaker 2: think there are other places that you could go and
Speaker 2: build up a business.
Speaker 3: Here, maybe it's a little bit easier.
Speaker 1: You point.
Speaker 4: I think that goes to your point though, that's what
Speaker 4: American is easier to do here because there is no
Speaker 4: like monolith of what an American.
Speaker 3: Is supposed to be the.
Speaker 1: Yes image.
Speaker 2: Yeah, That's why I think that this scene fucking hit
Speaker 2: because it was like, man that I love that it's
Speaker 2: it's to me, it's the exact opposite of patriotic, because
Speaker 2: a patriotic motherfucker would say, well, being an American means
Speaker 2: you love America most of the time. You're white, you know,
Speaker 2: you love fucking God and country. That's not these people
Speaker 2: and my pistol. Oh yes, you love guns, you love God,
Speaker 2: you love beef, those are your things.
Speaker 3: These people aren't like that.
Speaker 2: But they are still Americans, at least in this idealistic
Speaker 2: world of what America is. They are still Americans.
Speaker 3: But if it only hit from me, that's okay.
Speaker 2: One last scene, they try one more time to go
Speaker 2: back to Ethnos and they plead for them to fix Joan,
Speaker 2: but doctor Singer repeats that it's impossible because the procedure
Speaker 2: is permanent. This cust to Joan at home, tearing at
Speaker 2: her face, and the movie ends with her ripping out
Speaker 2: a piece around her eye, revealing her Asian eyes under it.
Speaker 3: Their place looked like he got the poppety Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people. Yeah, everybody don't want to
Speaker 1: be white now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what did y'all think of this final scene?
Speaker 1: That's the part when she was like, this ship was stupid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 6: Terrible for now, Yeah, because how's that underneath this whole
Speaker 6: other person?
Speaker 3: And then why can't they just do wait?
Speaker 2: Oh, so y'all did y'all not catch what the doctor
Speaker 2: said when he was.
Speaker 6: He was just saying like you're like a seed and
Speaker 6: it's like peeling back or something like that.
Speaker 3: Oh you're not talking about that part.
Speaker 6: But what he said, what did you say about the seed?
Speaker 2: Said for a new plant to grow and flourish, the
Speaker 2: seed has to die.
Speaker 3: Yes, the seed is her culture.
Speaker 2: The seed is her She didn't completely abandon her Asian kid,
Speaker 2: so it was still there. That's why this new plant
Speaker 2: could not grow and flourish. It was falling apart. That's
Speaker 2: why earlier Olivia says, your face flight to that first,
Speaker 2: because you're not immediately going to give your culture up.
Speaker 2: I thought the scene, I didn't love the ending, but
Speaker 2: I think the ending, combined with what he said, made
Speaker 2: made send no.
Speaker 3: The ending with it. Yeah, I like what he said
Speaker 3: and that made sense.
Speaker 6: Like like said she said it earlier, like as long
Speaker 6: as you fight yet like I think it as like,
Speaker 6: as long as you're fighting, still fighting for your culture,
Speaker 6: it's not gonna you know, it's gonna it's gonna fall off.
Speaker 6: But the part that I had it aesthetically is what
Speaker 6: I had an issue with, Like how how was that
Speaker 6: underneath this new white girl? Like that's the part that
Speaker 6: I had an issue with. Yeah, I stopped caring like
Speaker 6: the visual like logic. When it came to this movie again,
Speaker 6: I had to suspended leak all the way to the
Speaker 6: last scene. Yeah, like that's yeah, that was just too
Speaker 6: much for me. That's too much for me.
Speaker 3: But I mean it was it was a nice attempt.
Speaker 3: It wasn't terrible a terrible.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a nice attempt at a at a
Speaker 6: movie they just needed. They just needed a bigger budget.
Speaker 6: I think to show, like the process, a little bit
Speaker 6: of backstory, like y'all said. I think it just needed
Speaker 6: that because get Out that's what get Out thrived. Yes,
Speaker 6: you know, you knew how they were doing these procedurescause
Speaker 6: they were shown and they were telling you how it
Speaker 6: was happening. They give no fucks about how this happens.
Speaker 6: They didn't give no no, they didn't care about like
Speaker 6: they didn't they didn't try to explain that at all.
Speaker 3: And that's why I had I had a problem with that.
Speaker 2: See so where you have a problem with that, but
Speaker 2: don't have a problem with needing more backstory. I didn't
Speaker 2: care about seeing the procedure. I didn't care about tell
Speaker 2: me I see I did they they they kind of
Speaker 2: showed the little laser thing.
Speaker 3: I just didn't. I didn't care.
Speaker 2: Because I was already like, well, this is ridiculous. This
Speaker 2: is a ridiculous fucking concept that you change an entire race.
Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna I'm just gonna ride with it.
Speaker 2: So that part I didn't really mind. It could have
Speaker 2: been cool if you had some money and you showed
Speaker 2: how this happens, but you already have to suspend this
Speaker 2: belief because like, you're not doing all this.
Speaker 3: In an hour or two. Yeah, I would pain free.
Speaker 1: I see.
Speaker 6: For me, I would have believed it more if like
Speaker 6: they took the Asian actor and put like some sort
Speaker 6: of prosthetic on her to make her white, versus just
Speaker 6: getting a whole nother fucking actor.
Speaker 2: But see, if you did that, then I think it
Speaker 2: defeats the purpose of them saying that you're becoming a
Speaker 2: completely different person. You know, if if it was prosthetics
Speaker 2: on an Asian actress, we're still gonna look at her
Speaker 2: and say, oh, well, that's fucking Joan from the beginning
Speaker 2: of the movie, But after seeing McKenna grays, you're just like, Okay, no,
Speaker 2: that's Joe.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The whole idea behind it, especially when that whole ethnos
Speaker 5: thing got was going and the lines were crazy. I
Speaker 5: think I was in the in the movie that I
Speaker 5: was about to test. I was like, this damn movie
Speaker 5: is wow? This they really going there?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Because but I think they could have gone there and
Speaker 2: they didn't. I think they could have. They could have
Speaker 2: fucked the.
Speaker 1: Idea of turning a person. They could have gone further.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, definitely, Yeah, I do agree with that, even
Speaker 5: just the idea of just like everything is about being
Speaker 5: white and we're gonna turn people into white and we're
Speaker 5: just gonna talk about how great it is to be
Speaker 5: white on Like, Yo, they are here.
Speaker 2: Give me more, give me, give me more of a
Speaker 2: reason to understand the motives. What does she benefit from
Speaker 2: Give me more of that?
Speaker 1: I mean a little bit smarter.
Speaker 2: Yes, I needed to be a little bit smarter. That's
Speaker 2: that's a good way to put it. So Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 2: anybody got any lost words for slanted?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I want more of these?
Speaker 3: Did black there?
Speaker 1: He did it? I don't know.
Speaker 2: We've I think they could have done. You're right, they haven't.
Speaker 2: I was thinking to get out, but that's not that's.
Speaker 1: Not the same. It's not the same. But I guess
Speaker 1: black person wanted to be white.
Speaker 2: I can see that, but I mean it would need
Speaker 2: to be it can't be no fucking.
Speaker 4: To be movie they like, and they're doing something similar
Speaker 4: with the girl was getting backlash for what's the one
Speaker 4: that play in the movie with Somema Woka the Buddy
Speaker 4: movie what's her name?
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's sizzl? She played in the movie with silken
Speaker 3: Kie Palmer. And she doing a movie.
Speaker 4: Where an Asian girl is trying to fit in with
Speaker 4: black people. Did y'all hear about that? Yeah, she's producing
Speaker 4: a movie where an Asian girl goes to an HBCU
Speaker 4: and it's trying to fit in with like the black.
Speaker 2: People, and like, yeah, but I think they're saying that, yeah,
Speaker 2: this have worked if there was a black protagonist, and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it could work, but it would have to
Speaker 2: be a very smart filmmaker.
Speaker 3: It had to be like what y'all are explaining in smartness, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Because I think that it would also matter who you're
Speaker 2: making this for. If you're making this for black folks,
Speaker 2: we'll already understand it. Yeah, we'll already understand it. But
Speaker 2: if you're making this for the general audience, then I
Speaker 2: feel like this needs to be a two hour movie
Speaker 2: and it needs to have a lot of nuance and
Speaker 2: detail of why a black person would want to go
Speaker 2: all the way through doing this.
Speaker 3: I would watch it.
Speaker 2: I would definitely watch it, but I don't think it's
Speaker 2: gonna happen.
Speaker 3: So anyway, Well, sound like a Jordan Peel film.
Speaker 2: It doesn't like a Jordan Peel film. Anyway, Well that's
Speaker 2: gonna do it, I guess for this review. Apologize for
Speaker 2: the racism here. You know, some of it was unintentional,
Speaker 2: others unintentional lies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you the worst.
Speaker 2: Just learn the goddamn language, man, Like when you come
Speaker 2: over here, learn the fucking language.
Speaker 3: Man speak what some of his daughter said.
Speaker 2: If you don't want to speak, why then go back
Speaker 2: where the fuck you came from.
Speaker 4: Those that I didn't right, you disagreed with it because
Speaker 4: you said at the beginning of the review that's why
Speaker 4: I got her f.
Speaker 3: Didn't bother to learn the language.
Speaker 1: Jesus like exactly.
Speaker 2: I was like, wait, is Spike leading to a joke,
Speaker 2: But nah, he's kept going.
Speaker 3: I'm like, na, he really just he really does speaking
Speaker 3: right now? Anyways, the movie's okay.
Speaker 2: I would see another movie she does, hopefully she gets
Speaker 2: a bigger budget and another writer. I think that would
Speaker 2: benefit her to get a co writer, and we'll see
Speaker 2: what happens.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's going to do with this review.
Speaker 2: Let us know what you thought, share with a friend
Speaker 2: or two, and we will see y'all next time.
Speaker 1: White people, let us know how you feel about it.