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Speaker 4: So guy, big heavy news weekend here, number of places

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Speaker 4: we could start. I do want to get your thoughts

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Speaker 4: on the killer of Noah shanav Oz, the alleged killer

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Speaker 4: We'll get to that in just a moment, but let's

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Speaker 4: start in Australia. Here this anti Semitic mass shooting that

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Speaker 2: Australia has some of the strictest gun laws in the

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Speaker 2: imagine being on that beach, you know, as those folks

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Speaker 4: So guy, let's apply some of what happened in Australia

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Speaker 3: Here. If you're Jewish and you're listening to this show.

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Speaker 4: Right now and you think, you know what, I want

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Speaker 2: Well, a great question on places of worship. We changed

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Speaker 1: So these gun free zones, let me and let me

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Speaker 1: this is probably a basic question. We've been over this before.

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Speaker 2: I'm not committing a crime in Indiana. They can just

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Speaker 4: Perfectly clear we do not want guns on campus. What

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Speaker 4: Guy, last thing here before we let you go. We

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Speaker 4: He must go through some rehabilitation program process and after

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Speaker 2: confident after some weeks or months of treatment, then they

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Speaker 2: put him back on trial. He goes through they he's

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Speaker 2: determined to be guilty. You're innocent guy.

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Speaker 4: If somebody wants to ask you a question, hire you,

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Speaker 4: anything in between, where can they go?

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Speaker 2: I contact me through Twitter. I'm just act guy, ralfer X.

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Speaker 2: Give me a follow while you're on there, or the

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Speaker 2: website is ralfridlaw dot com.

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Speaker 3: Save travels. My friend will do it again next week.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys so much.

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Speaker 4: Nudge for the first time in this new studio. Moonshine Monday.

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Speaker 4: What Moonshine Monday. It's probably not, but see.

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Speaker 3: This rule book. See this rule book. Moonshine Monday Next