1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: All right, So speaking of redistricting, Yeah, there's a group 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: that's involved in reshaping the congressional districts. They have created 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: a new political committee called Fair Maps Indiana Action. 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:12,239 Speaker 2: It's a new super pack. 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 3: Okay, now this is what this is. Marty orbs Marty 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 3: is he's not a fan of mine. We've had some 7 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 3: fun on the social media here the past. It well, 8 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 3: it is fun for me. I don't think it's fun 9 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 3: for him. Yeah, but they're pledging what now, They're going 10 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 3: to spend big money to defeat any person who listens 11 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 3: to their constituents and doesn't want to go along with 12 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 3: altering the maps. 13 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 2: That's his thing. 14 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 3: He's big mad that the lawmakers are listening to poll 15 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 3: after poll after poll that shows people in the state 16 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 3: don't want redistricting. He's mad that the lawmakers are paying 17 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 3: attention to the couple of the public town halls that 18 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 3: have been had in which almost nobody showed up in 19 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 3: some part of redistricting. He's mad that the lawmakers are 20 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 3: looking at the clear results of these rallies that were 21 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 3: had in which one had what thirty people, then the 22 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 3: next one might might have gotten one hundred, but then 23 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 3: it got determined that a bunch of those people were 24 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,279 Speaker 3: media or turning Point USA people. 25 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: Some of them don't even live in our state. 26 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 3: So he's mat like, this is always my question to 27 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 3: the people who are threatening the lawmakers, your case at 28 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 3: the door, because that's where elections get won, right, Your 29 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 3: case at the door is going to be what, Like 30 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 3: I'm going to playing this out in my mind. Hello, 31 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 3: missus Smith, I'm here for whatever organization this this thing 32 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 3: is calling itself, and we're here lobbying against your state 33 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 3: Senator Joe so and so. 34 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: Oh what has Joe done? Well? 35 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 3: He voted against redistricting. Oh, you mean the thing that 36 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 3: was in line with how his constituents felt about the issue. Like, 37 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 3: what is the case on this? What you chose your 38 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 3: constituents over Trump. I don't understand why they think this 39 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 3: is some magic bullet that is going to like intimidate 40 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 3: these people into doing what they want. 41 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: So the organization has publicly warned lawmakers, vote yes, we 42 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: will support you. Vote no, They're going to fund a 43 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: strong primary opponent to defeat you. And I'm wondering, is 44 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: that working against some of these lawmakers? 45 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,839 Speaker 2: Okay, Logically, let's work through this. Logically, right. 46 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 3: First of all, if you're talking about somebody up in 47 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 3: twenty six, you're telling me in a month you're going 48 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 3: to find like you're going to scour there's all these 49 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 3: lawmakers you're mad at, and what are you going to 50 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 3: disperse foot soldiers out all across the state to find 51 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 3: quality candidates to defeat incumbents. I don't know, if you've 52 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 3: seen the incumbent reelection rate, it's pretty high. And you 53 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 3: got to find usually a pretty good candidate to defeat 54 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 3: an incumbent. That isn't going to happen. Second of all, 55 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 3: you may raise some money, but in an election year 56 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 3: where the majority of the big money is going to 57 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 3: be going to hotly contested swing state congressional Senate races, 58 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 3: you're not going to raise big enough money to move 59 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: the needle across the entire state. And then, third, if 60 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 3: we're talking about people in twenty eight, nobody's even going 61 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 3: to remember this. In twenty twenty eight, we will be 62 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 3: onto a new presidential election, all sorts of new Senate races, 63 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 3: all sorts of all sorts. 64 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: Of new issues. 65 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: Like I would come on like it said, it's utterly 66 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 3: ridiculous that these guys are huffing and puffing. Now, if 67 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 3: you had said, and this is what pisses so many 68 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 3: people off, Marty, where were you and you boys when 69 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 3: we were trying to help millions of people with property taxes? 70 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 2: Where were you? 71 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 3: Then that's actually a thing that moves the needle on people. 72 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 3: If you knocked on Missus Smith's door and said, hey, 73 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 3: I'm here running against Joe so and so who screwed 74 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 3: you on your property taxes and you're going to pay 75 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 3: five hundred or one thousand dollars more a year because 76 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 3: of this guy, that's something that would move the people. 77 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: Now you have my attention. 78 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 3: But Marty and his pals were nowhere to be found then, 79 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 3: So I mean, like, this is what angers somebody going. 80 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 3: It's amazing the yes people can't see this. You folks 81 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 3: were nowhere to be found when we were begging for 82 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 3: help to actually help people, not help Donald Trump, not 83 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 3: help the DC insider class, not help keep some Republican 84 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 3: majority that hasn't done anything for anybody. We were out 85 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 3: there begging to help actual people with an actual issue 86 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 3: that is actually affecting their lives. And for some reason, 87 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 3: all of these various yes groups, Marty the turning point USA. People, 88 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 3: they can't get it through their thick skulls that this 89 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 3: is why people aren't on their side because you weren't there. 90 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 3: You guys, weren't there these causes, these whatevers weren't there 91 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 3: when people needed actual help. 92 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 2: Why should we stand with you now? 93 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,559 Speaker 1: Fair Maps Indiana part of a larger conservative nonprofit called 94 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: Defending America's Comeback. So let's talk about what super packs 95 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: can do. They can't spend unlimited money to support or 96 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: oppose candidates. They cannot give money directly to candidates or 97 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: coordinate directly with campaigns. They can take unlimited donations from individuals, corporations, 98 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: or unions. 99 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 3: Here's one of the problems with the suit pack though, 100 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 3: And I guess in politics there's so much money now 101 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 3: that maybe it doesn't matter. But when a candidate buys 102 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 3: a commercial on terrestrial radio or television so WIBC, WISH TV, whatever. 103 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 2: They get what is called the lowest rate. 104 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 3: So when you char when our radio station charges advertisers 105 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 3: to advertise, they have you know, different prices, different tiers, whatever, 106 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 3: There is a bottom point, right, and. 107 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 2: So they call that the lowest rate. You as a candidate. 108 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 3: This is how crooked and rigged politics is they have 109 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 3: passed the regulations that require you to give that the 110 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 3: official campaign of the candidate. Right, I'm not talking about 111 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 3: friends of or what I'm talking about the official this 112 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 3: is my election or reelection campaign. Everybody gets the lowest rate. 113 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 3: The super pack does not. The super pac pays the 114 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 3: premium rate price, and so it is much more expensive 115 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 3: in many cases for super packs to run at versus 116 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 3: the candidates themselves. So the bang for the buck oftentimes 117 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 3: doesn't go nearly as far with the political super pac. 118 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: So far, Fair Maps has already spent over two hundred 119 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars promoting redistricting, and they're saying more 120 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: to come. They've got Carlin Yoder as their treasurer. That's 121 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: the same Carlin that we've had in here. I thought 122 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: he was gonna he was considering a run against Todd Young. 123 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, he is. He's supposedly gonna run against him against Todd. Yeah. 124 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 2: I mean, look, who knows. 125 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 3: If I were Carlin, I would just run, just run 126 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 3: a still shot of Todd in front of the Fidel 127 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 3: Castro photo. 128 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 2: I mean, that would be my entire campaign. But either 129 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,239 Speaker 2: neither here nor there. I'm sure they won't be asking 130 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: my advice. 131 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 3: But again, it comes back to you have wasted all 132 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 3: of this capital, all of this resources, all of these 133 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 3: all of this time, all this money on something that 134 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 3: most people are at best indifferent about, and those who 135 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 3: have an opinion on it are against it. What is 136 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 3: the win here other than subserviency to Donald Trump. They're 137 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 3: so afraid of Trump, and that's what this is all about. 138 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 3: And I think that's what's so frustrated to people. 139 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: Two extra US House seats in twenty twenty six, that's 140 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: what this is all about. 141 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 2: Right. 142 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 3: But again, because I had a conversation with somebody last 143 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 3: night about and it was this was a very well 144 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 3: meaning person listener of this program. Every so often, A 145 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 3: lot of times like I just get so many correspondents, 146 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 3: I can't reply to all of them. But sometimes i'll 147 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 3: see when I go, Okay, that's interesting, I'll try to 148 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 3: write back to this person. And they were genuinely asking 149 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 3: about this. Oh man, I almost said it. This bs 150 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 3: that guys like Braun and Mike and the rest of 151 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 3: these people put out, well, this Northeastern state as zero 152 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: Republicans in Congress, How is that fair? Well, they What 153 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: they don't tell you is that state might have two 154 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 3: representatives because it's a small state, a place like Rhode Island, 155 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 3: and it's seventy or sixty percent Democrat. What should they 156 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 3: just carve up a district for the Republicans one of 157 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 3: the two just because we all exist. Would Indiana do that? No, 158 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 3: certainly not. Massachusetts is the big one. 159 00:07:58,640 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: Again. 160 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 3: I've challenged any person, and there are these websites where 161 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 3: you can draw your own districts, you can make your 162 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 3: own maps that they're free. 163 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: Anybody can go use them. 164 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 3: I've yet to see a single solitary person who can 165 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 3: draw any more than one Leans Republican district in Massachusetts. 166 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 3: And that's only if you make most of the other 167 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 3: districts at best seventy thirty Democrat. 168 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: The Massachusetts is eight. 169 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 3: To zero because it's an overwhelwhelming Democrat state. The power 170 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 3: of Boston, which we don't have here in Indiana in 171 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 3: terms of Indianapolis not being as powerful as Boston, and 172 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 3: the Democrats are spread out across the state. It is 173 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 3: just ridiculous, Gobblygook that these people throw out anything to 174 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 3: try to get you on their side. The reality is 175 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 3: the Republicans started with Texas. Fine, California responded, Fine, it's 176 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 3: a net wash on this and we are not required 177 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 3: to hand over seats to bad Republican governance in Indiana 178 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 3: just because Donald Trump can't win by governing because he's 179 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 3: not doing the thing he was elected to do. 180 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: The bill needs twenty five votes in the Senate, with 181 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 1: the Lieutenant governor breaking the tie if needed. So far, 182 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: according to Indie Star an article they just put out, 183 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: fifteen Republicans have publicly supported the bill, at least twelve 184 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: opposit and two so far have not stated a position.