1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Live from theal Hartbind and the Crossroads of America. It's 2 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. Well, hey to everybody. I am Andrew 3 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: Langer in for Tony Katz today on Tony Kats Today. 4 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: Tony feeling a little under the weather, so he uh 5 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: reached out to me this morning. Oh boy, And apart 6 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: from some technical difficulties early on in the show, I 7 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: think we've got it all worked out. You can join 8 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,279 Speaker 1: the conversation here. In fact, you have something, I'll open 9 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: up the phones too, phone number here if you want 10 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: to call three one seven six four three eighty seven hundred. 11 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: Actually want to get your take on what I'm about 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: to play, Uh, three one seven six four three eighty 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 1: seven hundred, because this is the clip that everybody's talking 14 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: about right now about President Trump. You can also email 15 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: me Andrew Langer Radio at gmail dot com and at 16 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: me on on X at Andrew Underscore Langer. So the 17 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: President is doing this big exclusive interview with NBC News 18 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: in advance of the Super Bowl, or as I call it, 19 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: the superb Owl. You know something, Land that I messed up. 20 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: I should have spent a lot of time talking about 21 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: superb Owl Sunday, because that's what it is. It's all 22 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: about finding the superb Owl. You can figure it out, 23 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: write it down and you'll see what I mean. Thank you, lad. 24 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: That gets the joke. But they got asked the question. 25 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: Oh good lord. You know they asked the question because 26 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: they want the answer, right. They want the answer because 27 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:32,559 Speaker 1: they want to be able to talk about the answer. 28 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: So here's here's Donald Trump asking. He asked about the 29 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: third term of Donald Trump. Let's hit cut number twelve 30 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,839 Speaker 1: on January twenty first, twenty twenty nine. 31 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 2: Do you see any scenario where you are still president? 32 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 3: I don't know. It would be interesting, wouldn't it be 33 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 3: terrible if I agreed with you know, if I gave 34 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 3: you the answer that you're looking for, it would make 35 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 3: life so much less exciting. It would be so much 36 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 3: less exciting. But I only do this for one reason. 37 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 3: Make America great again. And that's what we're doing. We're 38 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 3: making America grade again, greater than ever before. Our country 39 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 3: is greater than ever before. 40 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: We can we can edit there. He didn't say no, 41 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: That's that's what they're gonna say. He didn't say no. 42 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: He didn't rule it out. He's a fascist. He's gonna 43 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: maintain he's gonna be unparrable. Oh good. He says these 44 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: things to get them moves, and it's like it's like 45 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: it's like a check Schumer calling the Save Act Jim 46 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: Crow two point oh. He wants to get people spun up. 47 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: He knows it's not Jim Crow two point oh. He 48 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: knows at the end of the day. He knows at 49 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: the end of the day that that that it, you know, 50 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: requiring voter I D makes elections more secure, and that 51 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: makes them worse for Democrats blah blah blah, so and 52 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: so forth. But you know, he says these things, brother Trumpo, 53 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: and I'm not sure which answer would make it less interesting. 54 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's an odd way of sort of phrasing it, 55 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:07,839 Speaker 1: but he's hedging to get people spun up about these things. Yeah. 56 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: It's like I think I told you guys last week. 57 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: I did German TV a couple of weeks ago, a 58 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: TV show called mesh Burger. Meshburger. It's on Twitter. I 59 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: tweeted it out so you can go check out my appearance, 60 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: which is very odd. I showed it to I think, 61 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: to one of my siblings and like, wait, it's very 62 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: strange watching you with the German hearing your voice, but 63 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: hearing the German translation. But the point is they were 64 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: all spun up about Greenland. Oh, Donald Trump, he's going 65 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: to invade Greenland. He's not ruling out invading Greenland. He's 66 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: going to invent Greenland. The fastiest, fastest, fastest, Hitler, Hitler, 67 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: at no, No, he was never gonna he was never 68 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: gonna invade Greenland. That was never on the table, never. 69 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: But what he wanted was the best deal. Now, I'm 70 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: not saying that he's trying to get the best deal 71 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: out of this. That's not you know why he's doing this. 72 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: This is just because he knows that people get spun 73 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: up when he when he says these things. So, but 74 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: that's the one everybody's talking about. Now. Now what's really 75 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: interesting because the conversation turns to Minneapolis, and as somebody else, 76 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: as other folks that pointed, and I'm not saying that 77 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: this is all a conspiracy theory, that's all, I'm sorry, 78 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: all a conspiracy that all of the unrest in Minnesota 79 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: has been a conspiracy to get people's minds taken off 80 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: of the fraud. Other folks have suggested that, but the 81 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: President brought up the issue of fraud in Minnesota. Let's 82 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: go ahead and play cut number fifteen. 83 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 3: Minnesota and these other states, we have massive investigations going 84 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 3: into Fraudget do you know if we captured fifty percent 85 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 3: of the fraud of this country right now, we would 86 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 3: have better than a balanced budget. 87 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: And you got to. 88 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 3: Mention that in Minnesota nineteen billion dollars in fraud that 89 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 3: we know about. 90 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 4: You. 91 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: Now, let's let's I'm not going to say to assume 92 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: from them that every state has because some states will 93 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: have more, some states will have less. But you know, 94 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: the reality is, let's sort of talk about a general 95 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: principle of public policy. The more of an ability that 96 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: the government has to move massive amounts of cash in 97 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: whatever amounts small or large, whenever government has the ability 98 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: to pick winners and losers in a marketplace, but whenever 99 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: government has the ability to transfer cash out of the 100 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: treasury into the hands of people, into the pockets of 101 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: people directly like this, the more fraud and corruption you have. 102 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: That's just the way it works, right. Government can pick 103 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: and choose winners and losers in a particular contractor or business. 104 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: Businesses survive or fail based upon this. That's where corruption 105 00:05:54,800 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: comes in. And so you see these circumstances in which 106 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:05,559 Speaker 1: Democrats are always calling for direct infusions of cash into 107 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: people's pockets, you know, whether it's universal basic income or 108 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: something else, and invariably there are massive amounts of fraud 109 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: that occur, right and it's worse when there's some kind 110 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: of an emergency that is at work these days. Now, 111 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that every bureaucrat is lazy infect I 112 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 1: know that that's not the case, but there are so 113 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: many who are working in government who don't actually want 114 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: to do their jobs, and their job being checking up 115 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: on the people who are receiving the money that the 116 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: government is administering and giving to people, that it becomes 117 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: it's like mister hand in fast Times Ridgemond High. You pretend, 118 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: you pretend they don't see you, they pretend you don't ditch, 119 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: and who winds up losing out you? They presend, they 120 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: pretend that the fraud is not being fraudulently given, and 121 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: the frauds pretend that they're not having it being given 122 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: to them in a fraudulent manner. I know that's a 123 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: butchering way of saying this, but this is why democrats 124 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: are constantly calling for finding ways to engage in this 125 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: massive transfusion. I give you a really good example. You know, 126 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: it drove me up the wall. I was very yours 127 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, and I was talking about this, 128 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: the issue of credit cards. I've had a couple of 129 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,559 Speaker 1: pieces published on the issue of credit card interest rates, 130 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: and Donald Trump wanted to cap it and talking about 131 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: the issue of Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders and AOC. 132 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: They want to wreck the financial loan system in America 133 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: because they want to see it replaced by some government 134 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: run enterprise. Again, sounds like a conspiracy theory, but you 135 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: go back and look right what they would want to do. 136 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: They want to get rid of, for instance, pay day lenders. 137 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: You may not like pay day lenders, or as I 138 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: call them, short term high risk right where your credit 139 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: worthiness is carefully determined and because you are a greater 140 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: credit risk, and because the loan you're getting is sometimes 141 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: it's secured by a car note, sometimes it's not, but 142 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: the interest rates are higher because you are a risk. Well, 143 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: they want to get rid of them. What do they 144 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: want to replace it with? Some kind of a system 145 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:25,679 Speaker 1: administered by the Post Office so a government agency handing 146 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: out massive amounts of cash, and because they want to 147 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: do it in a way that is not like a 148 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: short term high risk lender, there is a high probability 149 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: of people not being forced to pay back their loans. 150 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: Right Where have we seen this before? How much time 151 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: has been spent talking about loan forgiveness on the part 152 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: of the federal government. Can you imagine if all of 153 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: a sudden, post offices in urban centers in America become 154 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: the payday lenders of note? Imagine what's going to happen 155 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: around election time? Small amounts of cash being distributed to 156 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: lots and lots of different people with no expectation that 157 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: would ever be paid back. What could possibly go wrong? 158 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: So the President talked about that, and then he talked 159 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: about the shooting. You know something, We're going to get 160 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: into the shootings and the President's discussion of that, and 161 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: then what's happening on the ground there in a moment. 162 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: I'm Andrew langer This is Tony Kats Today. Welcome back, everybody. 163 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Langerts in for Tony Kats Today. You know something, 164 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: I am actually in a white room with black curtains 165 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: at the station. No, I'm not at the city. So anyway, 166 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: so we're here, we're chatting about we're talking about all 167 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: kinds of stuff. Me and Landon are listen. So the 168 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: president's doing this set of interviews, and he was asked 169 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: about Minnesota, and it was a very honest moment here. 170 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: It's a good introduction to what's going on on the 171 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 1: ground right now, which is just dangerous. We talked a 172 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: little bit about this with Jerry Rodgers. Let's go ahead, 173 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: land and play at number sixteen place. 174 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 2: After the shooting of Renee Good, you said Ice made 175 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: some mistakes. 176 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: What were the mistakes? 177 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 3: Well, look, I'm not happy with the two incidents. It's 178 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 3: not you know, it's both of them, got one or 179 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 3: the other. He was not an angel and she was 180 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 3: not an angel. You know, you look at some tapes 181 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 3: from back. But still I'm not happy with what happened there. 182 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 3: Nobody could be happy, and Ice wasn't happy either. But 183 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 3: I'm going to always be with our great people of 184 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 3: law enforcement, ice police. We have to back them. If 185 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 3: we don't back them, we don't have a country. 186 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: You mentioned Renee Good. 187 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: And not and Alex Pratty's not being angels. 188 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 3: Do you think any of that justified what happened to them, though, no, 189 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 3: it should have not happened. It was a very sad 190 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 3: to me. It was a very sad incident. Two incidents, 191 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 3: and you know they mentioned the one, now they don't 192 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 3: mention the other. 193 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: Well, I think they were both said. 194 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 3: And you know who feels worse about it and anybody, 195 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 3: the people of Ice. They're strong, tough people, and they 196 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 3: have to be tough because we're dealing with hardened criminals. 197 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 3: We're dealing with people. You know, jails had been emptied 198 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 3: into our country from all over the world, from Venezuela, 199 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,479 Speaker 3: where we had great success, you will admit, but from Venezuela, 200 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 3: from the Congo and Africa, from all over the world, jails, 201 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 3: the jail population was emptied into our country. 202 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: We can, we can, we can end it there. So obviously, 203 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: you know, they wanted the president to say something else. 204 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: They wanted him to dance on the graves of Renee 205 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: Good and Alex Pretty. He didn't do that, you know, 206 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: and that's and that's just it. There is the element 207 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: of this which is I've said this before, my old adage, 208 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: if you didn't want to go to Chicago, you shouldn't 209 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: have gotten on this train. And I will say I 210 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: will say this much if you were in Minnesota, I 211 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: will say that if you were, if you were within 212 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: the the Tony Katz listening area, and you were of 213 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: the left persuasion. By the way, if you are of 214 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: the left leaning persuasion, you're welcome to call on three 215 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: one seven six four three eighty seven hundred. Three one 216 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: seven six four three eighty seven hundred. You are being used. 217 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: I'm telling you this right now. You are being used 218 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: by Democrats. We're going to get into this issue of 219 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: of what Bacari Sellers and Scott Jennings there back and 220 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: forth on CNN this morning about this. But this does 221 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: not end well. Let let's go to cut number seventeen landed. 222 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: So there are these private checkpoints that are being set 223 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: up in Minneapolis, and CBS News interviewed one of them. 224 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and play cut seventeen. 225 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 5: We are literally creating a place that we know who's 226 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 5: coming and going in and out of our neighborhoods. 227 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: In the middle of the road. 228 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 6: At thirty second in Cedar Avenue and make shift roadblock 229 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 6: turn this part. 230 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: Time out for a second, hold on for a second 231 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: we landed. We gotta we gotta start that again, because remember, 232 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:57,719 Speaker 1: by the way, that these are the same people who 233 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: were against the minutemen of you know, and various civilians 234 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: going down to the border. I mean, let's start playing 235 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: that one more time. Cut number seventeen. 236 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 5: We are literally creating a place that we know who's 237 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 5: coming and going in and out of our neighborhoods in 238 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 5: the middle. 239 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: So you're creating checkpoints in your neighborhood to keep how 240 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 1: people who shouldn't be there. How is that? 241 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 3: You know? 242 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: I've talked about this before I got into it with somebody, 243 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: maybe on these airwaves. I think it must have been, 244 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: you know, talking about about the issue of ice and 245 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: removals and and what it means to you know, the 246 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: laws that are out there and when you remove somebody 247 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: and where you remove them to. I mean, this is 248 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: think about how quaint it all was when we were 249 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: talking about Marilyn Mann Abrigo Kilmar Abrigo Garcia and and 250 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: him being him being removed. But now you know, yeah, okay, 251 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: you guys get it. You set up checkpoints because you 252 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: want to know who's coming in and out. Let's go ahead. 253 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, let's start it one more time. Landing. 254 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 5: We are literally creating a place that we know who's 255 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 5: coming and going in and out of our neighborhoods. 256 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: In the middle of the road. 257 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 6: At thirty second in Cedar Avenue and makeshift roadblock turn 258 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 6: this intersection into a roundabout. Horror slowed as drivers noticed, 259 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 6: some honked, others asked questions, and one man bron food 260 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 6: for the people standing watch. I thank you feel much. 261 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 6: How did it make you feel just seeing a community 262 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 6: checkpoint in your neighborhood. 263 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: Well, you know it's it felt fine. I didn't I 264 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: don't uh. I don't have any trouble with with folks 265 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: helping out. 266 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 6: Wade Haynes has been standing at this way. 267 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: Wait, it's deal way. Don't think we can end it there. 268 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: He doesn't have a problem with it. I mean again, 269 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: but the reporter's not asking the question, which is okay, 270 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: let's put the shoe on the other foot here. What 271 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: would you do if a group of conservatives set up 272 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: a checkpoint in the middle of a road and started 273 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: asking people for their identification? You would be going ballistic 274 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: about this. My point at the end of the day 275 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: is this does not end well. A because you're blocking traffic. 276 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: And then they came out there and they and they 277 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: remove these things and remove the people that I don't 278 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: think they arrested anybody. This is in Minneapolis police that 279 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: did this. But my point is this does not end 280 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: until somebody else is hurt, right, That's that's what I'm 281 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: what I'm getting at here. And you know who wants 282 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: that are people like Bakari Sellers, who was on CNN 283 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: this morning. Let's go ahead and play cut number eighteen. 284 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 2: Would you advise someone, even if they're very angry, even 285 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 2: if they don't like the laws, to insert themselves into 286 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 2: the middle of an active law enforcement situation if. 287 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: They see something wrong. 288 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely, you would advise a person or a client of 289 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 2: yours to literally engage in the middle of an active 290 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 2: law enforcement matter if they see something wrong. 291 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 7: I would say yes, I would say definitely. 292 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: Put I would say, I would say, pretty, you're advising 293 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: people to commit crime. So I I fitted it out 294 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: there because you know, Scott Jennings goes on to talk 295 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: about this, and of course because the rest of the 296 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: the Peanut Gallery was jumping in there on this. But yeah, 297 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: the Bacari Sellers of the world, they they They want 298 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: you to get involved. Why because your blood. If you 299 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: are a liberal and you are listening to the show 300 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: and you want to take up and you want to 301 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: put a checkpoint out there, or you want to go 302 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: and interfere with what Ice is doing, you're being spurred 303 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: on because the Bacari Sellers of the world want your 304 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: blood to be spilled because it gives them ready, the 305 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: Rachel Maddows of the world, it gives them ratings, the Democrats, 306 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: the Nancy pelosis is, the Chuck Schumers of the world. 307 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: It gives them political power. The Geame Draftories of the world. 308 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: It gives them political power. Because your blood on TV 309 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: makes other Americans unsure as to what's going on. It 310 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: makes them feel bad about what's going on about America 311 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: enforcing its laws. That's what they want. And all listen, 312 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: I'm not telling you that there are no circumstances of 313 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: which you shouldn't resist. You shouldn't resist improper authority or authoritarianism. 314 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: But you know, someone doing their job in defending the 315 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: border and defending America's immigration laws is not that thing. 316 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: And if you and if you, if you think that 317 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: they that folks need to be defended, well this is 318 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: where you go to the ballot box. Right, this is 319 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: where the midterm elections come in. Jennings asked Bacari Sellers 320 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: to further explain himself, and he did. He realized the 321 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: dangerous growd that he was going down, so he hedged 322 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: his bets. Let's go ahead and play cut number nineteen. Just 323 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: to be extremely clear. 324 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 7: Just to be extremely clear, because I know how these 325 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 7: things get clipped and shipped around on Twitter. What I'm 326 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 7: actually telling you, Scott is if my client came to 327 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 7: me and said, Bakari, I was outside and I saw 328 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 7: something going down, and I saw somebody being abused, and 329 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 7: I went and tried to put myself in between them, 330 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 7: or I raised the camera. Do not hit officers, do 331 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,719 Speaker 7: not spit on officers. But yes, by all means, if 332 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 7: you see something wrong, videotape it. 333 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't sit here. My dad was a 334 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: member of SNICK. Right, He was a professional business Okay, 335 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: I want to let's underscore that for a second for 336 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: those of you who who are unaware of what SNICK is. 337 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: SNICK was a progressive radical organization, the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, 338 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: very very prominent in the nineteen sixties. As he just said, 339 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: my dad was a professional disruptor. Now, my dad was 340 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: a university professor. My dad dealt with me. My father 341 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: professor Art Langer, not the Art Langer who's the mathematician 342 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: of Colombia, the other Art Langer, who dealt with occupational 343 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: safety and health issues. So while my dad is teaching 344 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: me about comparative risk assessment and science based public policy 345 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: and unintended consequences of regulation, but Cary Seller's father was 346 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: apparently teaching him how to be a professional disruptor, right, 347 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: and that should give every boy pause there. It's fine 348 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: to film. You should film. That's the nature of independent journalism. 349 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: That's the nature of everybody with a cell phone camera 350 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: becoming an independent journalist. But no, you should not put 351 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: yourself in between someone who's being arrested and the person 352 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: doing the arresting. That's not what you're supposed to do. 353 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: And that only ends in someone getting hurt, namely you 354 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: getting arrested, getting hurt. Whatever, that's what they want. By 355 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: the way, they want this, They want your blood because 356 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: it gives them power, gives them ratings. Listen, Maxie Waters, 357 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: she was all over it yesterday. 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I'm Andrew Langer 367 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: in for Tony Kats Today. Tony hopefully back tomorrow, excuse me, 368 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: hopefully his voice comes back in the meantime. You got 369 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: me today. You can message me, email me Andrew Langer 370 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: Radio at gmail dot com. Also at me on Twitter 371 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: at Andrew Underscore Langer. Go and check me out there, Mike. 372 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: I want to explain those of you who don't understand 373 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 1: these platforms. X is now or Twitter is now called X. 374 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: I still call it Twitter. X dot com is the 375 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: website short little messages that are out there. Facebook is 376 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: still Facebook, Facebook dot com, slash Andrew Langer show is 377 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: my specific show page and Gmail's Gmail, you know, Andrew Mlanger. 378 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Andrew Langer radiogmail dot com. So listen. Obviously, 379 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: so much so much of these oversight hearings that happen 380 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: up on Congress are now just kabuki theater. Obviously. The 381 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: ones that are less I'm gonna say, sexy, right, you know, 382 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: when the Treasury Secretary goes up to the hill, it's sexy. 383 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: I know that, oh boy, Landon's going to isolate that. 384 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: Somebody's going to isolate that. Let me just be really clear, 385 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: don't mean that in a literal sense. This is not 386 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: I'm not me making my own version of that Rover 387 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: commercial get your match your freak with somebody else. No, 388 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: that's not what I'm not what I'm doing here. But 389 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: the point is that folks pay attention, and there's a 390 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: lot more grand standing at those kinds of hearings as 391 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: opposed to the hearings that I used to testify at. 392 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: It's been a bit since I've testified before Congress, but 393 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: I have done a bunch of times, you know, where 394 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: I'm talking about small business and regulation, and very rarely 395 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: are there these gotcha moments that are out there. But 396 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: so the Treasury Secretary goes up to the hill, there 397 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: going to be moments of fireworks. And Greg Meeks, who 398 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: represents the fifth District of New York, which is Queens. 399 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,479 Speaker 1: Those are familiar with New York Queens. John F. Kennedy 400 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: Airport jfk Airport, Rockaway Beach, famous in the Ramones song. Uh, 401 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: that's his that's his district. Well, he tries to have 402 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: his moment and it doesn't go very well. Let's play 403 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: cut number twenty. That is yes and no. 404 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 4: No, Congressman, you have to have OC is an independent entity. 405 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 1: And I know, Congressman, tell that. 406 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 4: You traveled wal I take that as it else on 407 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 4: behalf of I take that half of your. 408 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 1: Take that as a for a seven billion. Your responsibility 409 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: as Secretary of the Treasure you do not. 410 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 8: Make you You did and past your time, mister Chaman 411 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 8: and not answered my question or he wouldn't want to. 412 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: Actually he did answer the question. Go ahead, question and 413 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: go ahead, yes or no. See, here's the thing, you know, 414 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: at the end of the day. Let me just say 415 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: that they'll say this to folks on both sides of 416 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: the aisle here when you are talking about complex questions 417 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,959 Speaker 1: of economic policy, which is the only reason why the 418 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: Secretary of the Treasury should be going up to the 419 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: hill for oversight, right, I mean, unless we're talking about 420 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: operational stuff for some accusation against him. But for the 421 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: most part, he's supposed to be going up there to 422 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: answer questions about economic policy. He's one of those folks 423 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: who's one of the architects of economic policy. If you 424 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: are asking the Secretary of the Treasury a yes or 425 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: no question, you're not doing your job. You're not. That's 426 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: it's It's just that it's just that simple. You know. 427 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: Defining what a woman is is a different question, right, 428 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: can you define a woman? Yes or no? That's no. 429 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: To find a woman for me, that's the question you 430 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: need to ask substantive people in substantive jobs. You should 431 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: demand substantive answers of them. And Maxiweine Waters tries to 432 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 1: say the same thing. Now, there's a long version of 433 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: it that I'm going to play now and a short 434 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: version as well, because there's some things that I want 435 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: to get into in this. But but here is here 436 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: is Maxine Waters, who just she has passed her prime. 437 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: Let's go ahea and play cut number twenty one. 438 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 9: So there's on housing, affordability and putting the economy edy, Yes. 439 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: You have represent one. Will you be the boss? You see? 440 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: Will you be the vice? Will you be the boss? 441 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: Will you be will you be the boss? 442 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 10: Study reclaiming time, reclaiming my time, reclaiming my time? 443 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: And immigration. Okay, by the way, on it's a it's 444 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: a two part it's a two part song. Sorry if 445 00:24:55,000 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: you've already done the song, the discombobulation song, you know 446 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: the it's it's it's discombobulation with the remainder of my 447 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: time whatever she says about her time there, over and 448 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: over and over again there, and the question is actually 449 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: it's not a yes or no one. I mean she's 450 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: asking a yes or no question. If again, well, let's 451 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: play the shorter version of it, because I want to 452 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: make sure I don't want to I don't want to 453 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: step on it. Let's go to only cut number twenty. 454 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 4: Two ten and twenty million immigrants. 455 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: Actually come back house and come back. We'll come Oh yeah, 456 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: we'll come back to that because it did. There's a 457 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: there's a moment at the end she asks, actually do 458 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: me favorite land and play cut number twenty one. Please 459 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: does you can. 460 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 4: Does to Hell's a woman on aford ten and twenty 461 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 4: million immigrants. 462 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: Stop to stop it? Stop it? We can stop it 463 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: because gets so twenty one. She starts off with the 464 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: question is will you be the voice of reason on 465 00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 1: housing affordability? Now I don't know what that means. This 466 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: is this is the problem with that question, because we 467 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: can talk about housing affordability. And in point of fact, 468 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: he then starts to give her an answer about housing affordability. 469 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 1: The point that he is trying to make is when 470 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 1: you allow let's not even say ten million people. I 471 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: think he says ten to twenty. Let's say that it 472 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: is five million people that get let in, let's say 473 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: that it's let's say that it's five million people with 474 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: an average family of four people, so one and a 475 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: quarter million people. Never do math on the air, by 476 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: the way, but let's say that it's a one on 477 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: a quarter million people who all of a sudden need 478 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: housing in America that has an impact on housing affordability. 479 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 1: That's a million and a quarter one million, two hundred 480 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: and fifty thousand housing units, whether it's houses or apartments 481 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: or what have you. And we know they're not all 482 00:26:55,359 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: single that are no longer available to people who are 483 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: present in America. Legally, that has an impact. This is 484 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: a basic resource economics problem. And yet Maxine Waters, that's 485 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: not what she wants to hear. She doesn't want to 486 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: have a conversation about the basic resource economics problem. There's 487 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: a problem. I would go up to the hill. You know, 488 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: it's funny name cab up. I was talking to a 489 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: colleague at Seapack earlier today about an old boss of mine, 490 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: and he referenced a member of Congress, a member of 491 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: Congress named Don Manzula who had a great small business 492 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 1: staffer who was very blunt. And I loved his bluntness 493 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: because he would have no problems calling somebody a dumb a. 494 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: He would just go in if they gave a dumb answer, dumba, 495 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: the posterior, a dumb posterior. And so here is the 496 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: Treasury Secretary speaking substantly. In fact, let's go ahead, I'm sorry, Lyndon, 497 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 1: Let's play cut number twenty one again, please. 498 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 9: And on housing affordability and putting the economy edis, yes, no, 499 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 9: you don't have to. 500 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: Will you be the vice you see? Will you be 501 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: the vice. Will you be the vice? 502 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 7: Will you? 503 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: Will you be the boss? 504 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 10: Study, study, reclaim reclaiming my time, reclaiming. 505 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,959 Speaker 1: A right, so and so. So you know she is 506 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: getting a graduate level education. I don't even say that 507 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: at college level education. In the way housing affordability works 508 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: and how it difference differs from inflation and inflationary pressures 509 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: and what leads to these things. And what's more, he's right, 510 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: by the way he said correct about this. And we 511 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: can also talk about what the Biden administration is not 512 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: going to talk about efforts. We want to talk about 513 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: voices of reason. You know, the question is, you know, 514 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: mister Treasury secretary, what do you think about this idea 515 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: of capping credit card interest rates of ten percent for 516 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: a year? What will that do to our financial markets? 517 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: What will that do to housing afford ability or the 518 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: extension of credit? But it went off the rails. Let's 519 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: hear cut number twenty. 520 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 4: Two in twenty million immigrants can look at the housing 521 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 4: housing stock of working Americans and can you maintain. 522 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: Some level a d life? His time has expired, she 523 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: tells him. She says, can you shut up? Which is 524 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: oh my god, what? And he says, can you maintain 525 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: some level of decorum. Again, You've got the Treasury Secretary 526 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: in front of you, and he is he is giving you, 527 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: let's say, an econ one oh one, a macroeconomics discussion 528 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: of housing affordability in America and inflation, and you tell 529 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: him to shut up because you don't like what he 530 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: has to say and you want it to be too 531 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: cute by half. Anyway, some final thoughts in a moment. 532 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony Kats today. Well, hey 533 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: there everybody, So it has been a thin slice of 534 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: heaven once we got all of our technical delios worked out. 535 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's funny. I walked away from where 536 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: my my my box was hooked up and anyway going 537 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: to get the details. But we we lost the we 538 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: lost the connection like an hour ago, and land and 539 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: I realized realized what it was pretty pretty pretty quickly. 540 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: So as if you like what you hear, you know 541 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: you can check me out everywhere. So there's no work 542 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: that I do on the radio. You can tell I'm 543 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: still an amateur here at all of this. My day 544 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: job is I wear two hats with with Seapac. The 545 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: folks who put on the big the Big Conference. I 546 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: think Tony's going down at the end of March to 547 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: the big conference down in Dallas. I do regulatory policy 548 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: for SEAPACK as well as healthcare policy as the executive 549 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: director of the Coalition Against Socialized Medicine. And you know 550 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: you can. You can follow me in just about whatever 551 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: I'm doing. If you're not following me on X you 552 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: should at Andrew Underscore Langer is the best way to 553 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: get a hold of me. 554 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 3: There. 555 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: So, like I do. In addition to doing this, I 556 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: do a weekly podcas everybody does a podcast, I know 557 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: that mine, you know I do one. I'm supposed to 558 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: be doing one with Jerry, the forementioned Jerry Rodgers, my 559 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: best buddy. With him and me, it's usually the issue 560 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,479 Speaker 1: of time and figure out when we can go and 561 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,479 Speaker 1: do this. But weekly I do a show for an 562 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: outfit called the Federal News Wire called The lunch Hower, 563 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: and it is a deep dive into public policy and 564 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: issues of public policy, and sometimes it gets a little thematic. 565 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: Last week and this week it has been all about 566 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: PBMs and healthcare policy. In that way, it's not always 567 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: about that. Next week, I've got Daniel Rundy, who you 568 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: heard on these airwaves. The foreign policy expert Daniel Rundy 569 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,719 Speaker 1: is joining me, and we have a long discussion about Greenland. 570 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: We have a long discussion about Venezuela. We have a 571 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: long discussion about the Middle East. So you're gonna want 572 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: to check those things out. And normally with my Twitter feed, 573 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: I take the little excerpts from those the Federal News Wire. 574 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: I'm actually at the Lunch Hour pod is the Twitter 575 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: account there. They put out little clips of the show, 576 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: and so you know, you could see those weeks after 577 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: it happens. A couple of weeks I got Jennifer Huddleston 578 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: from Cato joining me. In fact, boy oh boy, I'm 579 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:20,959 Speaker 1: shaking my head right now because I'm supposed to set 580 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: up another interview with somebody else about something called Section 581 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: two thirty of the Telecommunications Decency Act of nineteen ninety six. 582 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: It turns thirty this year, and so a bunch of 583 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: folks are essentially saying this is the law that gave 584 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: rise to the Internet. But at my most basic level, 585 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: I do regulatory policy. This is why it's important to 586 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:50,719 Speaker 1: you all, because I am constantly filing comments with federal 587 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: regulatory agencies. What do I mean by that Congress passes 588 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,239 Speaker 1: a law or Congress changes a law, and it's up 589 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: to the executive agencies to interpret and enforce those laws. 590 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: And the way that they do it is through the 591 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: regulatory process. And the example I always like to use 592 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: is the Clean Water Act. Congress says you can't pollute 593 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: a navigable water of the United States, but doesn't define 594 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: what pollute or navigable or water the United States is 595 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: or means, And so they left it up to the agencies. 596 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: And depending on who's in power, those definitions could be 597 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: very broad and expansive, right the Democrats want to control 598 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: every last little bit of land out there, or you know, 599 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: Republicans who believe in private property rights, they want to 600 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: make those definitions very narrow. So it goes back and forth, 601 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: and sometimes the courts get involved, and so there was 602 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: a recent Supreme Court decision and part of that is 603 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: what has spurred the EPA to revisit the issue. So 604 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: every week me, I AM, ME and my colleagues we 605 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: are looking at regulatory proposals and there's something on the 606 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: order of like three thousand different proceedings of this type 607 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: in any given year. But we're picking you know, the five, six, seven, eight, nine, 608 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: sometimes even ten most important proceedings in a given year, 609 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: and we're filing comments on them. So, you know, for instance, 610 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: like this week, I've I've been putting together comments on 611 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: electricity generation a coal powered coal fire power plants. A 612 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago was on liquid natural gas. This 613 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: week it was also about fuel economy standards and how 614 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,800 Speaker 1: that relates to the affordability of cars. You know, Maxine 615 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: Waters talking about the issue of affordability in housing. You know, 616 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: the issue of permitting and permitting reform. You know, this 617 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: Clean Water Act stuff has an impact on the price 618 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: of housing. You know, none of this is isn't a vacuum. 619 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: You know, I did some stuff this week on affordability 620 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: of prescription drugs and what ought to be done there. 621 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: So here's so that's that's what I do. Is so 622 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: you can look at what I've done in any given 623 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: week by checking out our seapack blog seapack dot org 624 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: slash blog. Regulatory freedom anything, regulatory freedom is going to 625 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: be something that I've done. Most of the healthcare stuff 626 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: is stuff that I'm working on there. But I advise 627 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: you guys don't check out a website called regulations dot gov. 628 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,280 Speaker 1: It's a federal website, but it gives you the listing 629 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: of all of the proceedings that are going on at 630 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: any given point in time and invites you most of 631 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: the time, like ninety percent of the time, you can 632 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: send comments directly from the website, and they want to 633 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: hear from you. They want to hear from regular people, 634 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: average everyday Americans. And I mean that in the best 635 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: way because I could talk about statistics, and I can 636 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: talk about data, but you can talk about the real 637 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: world implications of what's going on out there. As always 638 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: want to thank you all for letting me into wherever 639 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: you are consuming Tony Katz today. Thank you to all 640 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:59,359 Speaker 1: my friends who are out there, Mike and Alexa especially. Anyway, guys, 641 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: have a great have a great week, Feel better, Tony, 642 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: have fun, and stay sick.