1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: The Speedway, the Motor Speedway, the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 2: You've heard of that before, right, yeahc driven by many times. 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: Yes, by the way, it's Kenney Casey, Jean Rob Casey's here. 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: They are not happy about the Trump administration this detention 5 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: center that they're opening up in Miami. 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 2: Yep, the Miami Correctional Facility with. 7 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: The Miami Correctional Facility Bunker Hill, Indiana. Because you don't know, 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: just get on thirty one, just head and you'll basically 9 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: run right into it. They are not happy about it 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: being dubbed the Speedway Slammer, and I don't blame them, 11 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: and I can't believe, first of all, how stupid these 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: people are, given the fact that the thing is like 13 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: an hour and a half away from Speedway, Indiana, and 14 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: that they thought, Hey, some nonpartisan group that is the 15 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: world's largest racecourse and prides itself on welcoming all people in, 16 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: wasn't going to give you a little pushback on that. 17 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 3: Well, part of the problem is that DHS shared an 18 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 3: ai I generated image and it's of an Indie car 19 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 3: and it has ICE branding on it, and it had 20 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 3: the number five. Well that's associated with Pato Award and 21 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 3: so Penske Entertainment, which owns the speedway. They stated they 22 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 3: were not informed and they requested that their intellectual property 23 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 3: not be used, and the Department of Homeland Security said, Nope, 24 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 3: we're not going to change the branding, and all of 25 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 3: these concerns over the intellectual property is absurd, and it's 26 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 3: going to be branded as Speedway Slammer. 27 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: Okay, So let's talk about that for a second, because 28 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: one of the things, and I recognize that somebody's going 29 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: to get big mad at me for saying this, but 30 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: this doesn't come off as serious like the alligator Alcatraz thing. 31 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: Whatever. 32 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: It's sort of Desanti's brand. I guess, I don't know. 33 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: But now, when we're just coming up with nicknames forever everything, 34 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: and you're going out of your way to give it 35 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: a nickname, it takes away from the seriousness of the 36 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: issue and the stuff that is actually being done there. Now, look, 37 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: I canna get mad at me you're saying this and saying, oh, 38 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: you're being a whim or blah blah blah. The immigration 39 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: conversation is about should be as much about doing the 40 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: It should be about as winning the public over to 41 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: your side as doing the job itself. And what I 42 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: mean by that is it takes buy in for public policy. 43 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: It takes public buy in for public policy to be sustainable. 44 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: And so what I mean by that is in order 45 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: to continue to build these facilities, expand them, make sure 46 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: money can do to get allocated the representatives, the people 47 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: who are doing this have to believe that the public 48 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: at large is behind them. And I think the public 49 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: is behind them in the sense of they want the 50 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: job done. But the reality is probably thirty percent of 51 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: the populace. If that thirty percent of the populace is 52 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: a hardcore maga, everything Trump does is great, everything Trump 53 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 1: does is funny sort of person. There's a huge group 54 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: of people, including people who voted for Trump, who just 55 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: wanted the country change. They don't want this stuff thrown 56 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 1: in their face. They don't want things to be made 57 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: light of like this, because, yes, while there are going 58 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 1: to be many dangerous people there these facilities, there will 59 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: also there's a chance be fathers and people who are 60 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: not violent offenders and people who broke the law who 61 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: need to go back. I'm not arguing that they need 62 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: to be sent back, but you're dehumanizing and I'm saying 63 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: this is how people in the middle will view it. 64 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's how necessarily we view it. We're 65 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: tough that skinned people here, but people in the middle, 66 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: who you need to win elections, who you need to 67 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: keep the policy going, will view this as unseious behavior 68 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: and unnecessarily dehumanizing. Many of these people, even if they 69 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: believe they need to leave the country. And so by 70 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: making everything some joke or some nickname or whatever, you 71 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: run the risk of alienating the people you need to 72 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: keep the policy going. 73 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 3: Why does it have to have a brand like speedway Slammer? 74 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 3: We all know it's seventy miles away from the speedway, 75 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 3: so it's it's. 76 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 2: Not close to it. 77 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 3: Why can't it just be called the Miami Correctional Facility, 78 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 3: Like does it have to have this speedway slammer moniker? 79 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 3: And you know, when you think about the speedway, that's 80 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 3: a place you go to get your mind off of 81 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 3: everything else. It's a place that you go to to 82 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 3: relax and have some fun and auto racing and enjoy yourself. 83 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 3: And now you've got DHS taking a place we all 84 00:04:55,279 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 3: love and turning it into a place that's very polarizing. 85 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially like the alligator Alcatraz or whatever that was. Hey, 86 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: that was de Sands's thing. He's on board. It's in 87 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: the swamp. There's no branding with it in terms of 88 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: there's not a legitimate you know, play like Alcatraz is 89 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: a legitimate place. But I'm saying there's no commercial entity 90 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: that you've got to have, you know, approval of. It's 91 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: just a bad look and it starts to make And 92 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: this is one of the problems with Trump as president 93 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: is everybody's always trying to make everything so big and 94 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: such a spectacle. They're trying to always in everything done 95 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: in a government under Trump, they're trying to make it 96 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: trump esque. And the reality is somebody told me this 97 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: years ago when I first got elected, and I had 98 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: all these big ideas, and he said, okay, these are nice, 99 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: but he said, the most important things you're gonna do 100 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: are really boring stuff, things like making sure fawcets turn on, 101 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: making sure the toilet's flush, you know, making sure that 102 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: sidewalks are. 103 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 3: Repaired may sound boring, but when they're not there available 104 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 3: to it's a huge. 105 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 2: Deal, exactly. 106 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: And people actually judge their communities in the case of 107 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 1: what he was talking about with me on how do 108 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: the nuts and bolts work? Like when you look at 109 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: community surveys. All these communities do citizen surveys, and you 110 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: you used to see that where all the important things 111 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: weren't the bright shiny objects that it was the police, 112 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: the fire, the water, the sewer, the roads, the bridges, 113 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: the sidewalks, like that's always what scored at. 114 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 2: The at the tippy top. 115 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: That's so. But in the sense of this government is 116 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: boring the nuts and bolts of government, and some people 117 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: need to hear this more than others. It ain't how 118 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: flashy you can be. It ain't how many people you 119 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: can get in front of. It isn't what a spectacle 120 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: you make when you go somewhere. It's how do you 121 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: manage the nuts and bolts of the things that you 122 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: are in charge in. Because government is actually a job. 123 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: Government is actually a responsibility, and this is something that 124 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: should be done. These people should be apprehended, they should 125 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: be sent back to their countries of origin. It will 126 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: make America a better, safer place. But you do it 127 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: in a quiet, businesslike professional manner. You can give the 128 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: stats out, you can talk about what you're doing. There's 129 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: no problem with that. But when you're trying to make 130 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: it some sort of way a spectacle that many people, 131 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: especially people who voted for you, will view as dehumanizing, 132 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: you're doing yourself a disservice. 133 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 2: So the borders are Tom Holman. 134 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 3: He said that he doesn't know who named the initiative, 135 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 3: but hopes that the name doesn't overshadow the mission exactly, 136 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 3: and it will