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Speaker 4: Okay, welcome to the Frames per Second Podcast. Thank you
Speaker 4: guys for joining us for an anniversary review of The
Speaker 4: Hateful Eight.
Speaker 2: Quin Tarantino film. This is a ten year tenure. I
Speaker 2: think it's ten ten years.
Speaker 4: Let me make sure. I'll double check while you open up.
Speaker 4: While you're checking, I am joined by the voice you
Speaker 4: just heard.
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 3: Ron? What up?
Speaker 2: Man? Ken?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Mike?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So' Quin Tarantino film, You're right, came out in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 4: said a few years after the Civil War, and it's
Speaker 4: about a bounty hunter named John Hayman. Ruth rod Yep,
Speaker 4: what do you think about Hateful Late?
Speaker 5: It's good. I'm a Quentin Tarantino fan. There's no surprise here.
Speaker 5: I don't think I'm one of the few, if not only,
Speaker 5: Quentin Tarantino fans on the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah he's yeah.
Speaker 5: I like the way he produces his films, like like,
Speaker 5: I like his storytelling ability.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, the way he directs, I really like his style.
Speaker 2: Ken a filmmaker, Kim, what do you think about this film?
Speaker 3: I hate this movie?
Speaker 2: Really why?
Speaker 3: I hated every single minute I spent watching this movie.
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 4: Yes, hateful hate, hated hate for eight What do you
Speaker 4: hate about it? Do you like Tarantino with all?
Speaker 3: No? No, Tarantino. This is a guy that writes and
Speaker 3: makes movies so he can just have the in word
Speaker 3: in it. Throught the whole movie and that's all they
Speaker 3: spent this whole movie doing. It was one scene where
Speaker 3: they said the N word twelve times. It was I counted,
Speaker 3: that's no, I counted, And that was That was in
Speaker 3: the middle of the film. That was in the middle
Speaker 3: when uh not ob what Mannets went to talk to
Speaker 3: the old man because they probably didn't say it that much,
Speaker 3: he said I And he said, I don't know that
Speaker 3: in word. All I know is he's an in word
Speaker 3: and that's and that's why I hate him, or something
Speaker 3: like that. I'm like, bro, get this fuck, bro, I
Speaker 3: hate I was like, I hate this.
Speaker 2: Movie, Mike, what do you think about that?
Speaker 3: Late?
Speaker 1: I rarely agree with Kim this much. This movie is
Speaker 1: fucking garbage, and I definitely do not like Quentin Tarantino
Speaker 1: as a filmmaker, as a director, or as a human.
Speaker 1: I think he's a fucking piece of shit. Jesus, and
Speaker 1: this movie just reinforces everything I've ever felt about him.
Speaker 1: I've never seen this movie, but I am saying right now,
Speaker 1: I am not watching any more Quentin Tarantino films period.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. This is your first time see
Speaker 1: this is my first time seeing this garbage ass film.
Speaker 1: I've seen you know Inglorious Bastards and pulp fiction and
Speaker 1: Foxy Brown.
Speaker 2: I've seen that stuff.
Speaker 1: And then I stopped. I was just like, this is ridiculous.
Speaker 1: After Django, I'm good, I'm not watching any more.
Speaker 2: Of this shit.
Speaker 1: This movie felt like he just wanted to say nigger.
Speaker 1: This movie did not have to have nigger this much.
Speaker 1: And the scene that Kim was talking about, he's the
Speaker 1: exact scene where I was like, I'm fucking done. This
Speaker 1: is pissing me off. They I don't know that nigger,
Speaker 1: but all I know is he's a nigger.
Speaker 2: It's like, all right, man, come on, bro, all I'm done?
Speaker 2: How fuck is this? What is this?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Y'all think it's like some like lust of his Yes,
Speaker 1: I think Quentin Tarantino gets a boner from saying nigger
Speaker 1: or or having it in his films. He loves it.
Speaker 1: He fucking loves it. And I will never understand black
Speaker 1: folks obsession with this fucking asshole. I will never understand it.
Speaker 1: You put a black man by himself in this fucking
Speaker 1: faux western and you say nigger one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: times over the course of a two hour long, boring
Speaker 1: ass nothing burger ass movie. Fuck this movie, and fuck
Speaker 1: Quentin Tarantino.
Speaker 2: All right. I liked him more than I liked him, kid.
Speaker 4: I will ride on this like it's one of my
Speaker 4: favorite Taranty.
Speaker 2: Of course it is. I've never actually but I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't like jingle. I feel the same way with
Speaker 2: you about jangle. I don't like that.
Speaker 4: This one I feel like, but because of the who
Speaker 4: done an aspect of it, that's why I like the film.
Speaker 4: So we open with John Ruth riding in a stage
Speaker 4: coach with Daisy Dumark.
Speaker 2: She's chained to his side.
Speaker 4: What do you guys think about this open scene John
Speaker 4: Ruth and Daisy and him being about one hundred anything
Speaker 4: step out, jump out to y'all on this.
Speaker 3: I mean, as soon as he interested what he said, hey,
Speaker 3: hold on, stop there, blackfellow, I'm like, bro, what why?
Speaker 2: Because it's the time.
Speaker 3: No see, y'all give me this every time I y'all
Speaker 3: say that and bring up this the time thing. Bro,
Speaker 3: this was excessive.
Speaker 2: This was excessive.
Speaker 3: You don't think it was accessive?
Speaker 5: Then?
Speaker 3: Don't you know what?
Speaker 2: Why is it always in his movies?
Speaker 1: That's the question I have for y'all everyone that wants
Speaker 1: to defend this bullshit? Why is it always in his movies?
Speaker 1: No matter if it's the old time, no matter if
Speaker 1: it's nineteen seventy, no matter if it's nineteen ninety, it's
Speaker 1: nothing but nigger?
Speaker 3: Why And as soon as the lady she was like, hi, nigger,
Speaker 3: and he was like, oh, she's a whatever whatever fella like,
Speaker 3: and she just kept doing it over and off.
Speaker 2: I'm like, bruh.
Speaker 3: And then on top of that, I can even take
Speaker 3: and you can also say it's abusive to woman. He
Speaker 3: kept beating the shit out of her over and over again,
Speaker 3: like what the fuck? I do?
Speaker 2: Agree with you guys?
Speaker 4: In his obsession for the word I do one hundred percent,
Speaker 4: I think he hides behind the guise of I'm an artist,
Speaker 4: so this is it's free for me to be able
Speaker 4: to do this. I'm I'm just expressing my artistic you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. I feel like that's how he
Speaker 4: is with it, but I do I.
Speaker 5: Guess my thing, Go ahead, I guess my thing is
Speaker 5: is like the people that worked out, the black people
Speaker 5: that work directly with him say this.
Speaker 2: It's not even just him saying it.
Speaker 5: It's what they're saying when they're questioned about it, like
Speaker 5: how do you guys feel being in these movies that
Speaker 5: where it's happening, And they're the ones that's like, well,
Speaker 5: this is what they they understand the reasoning behind it.
Speaker 2: So this is coming directly from the people that are
Speaker 2: involved in the filmmaking.
Speaker 1: And you don't think they're getting paid. You think they're
Speaker 1: being paid to say that, period of course.
Speaker 2: Against him. If he's giving him the biggest check he
Speaker 2: could possibly get.
Speaker 5: They could after they get the check, they can say
Speaker 5: it afterwards. I mean, if after they get the check.
Speaker 2: Why would they do that, because then they won't get
Speaker 2: another film of his movie.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's most of them there you go, So how
Speaker 5: many other black people are Again, we're talking about Samuel L.
Speaker 5: Jackson for as I know, I feel like he stands
Speaker 5: for things like work for Spike too.
Speaker 3: We were Spike too, so.
Speaker 5: So I don't want to get into that conversation. I
Speaker 5: think that's just a different conversation. It was just you
Speaker 5: always thought the conversation. That's why I said, let me
Speaker 5: just pull it back, because we've had this conversation so
Speaker 5: many times, and I know we're talking about this movie,
Speaker 5: but I feel like that's always you'll criticism is just
Speaker 5: the Nigga Ship.
Speaker 1: It's no, I said, very clearly and very plainly. The
Speaker 1: ship is boring and long, and it's a nothing burger film.
Speaker 5: It's not just a lot of three hours of like
Speaker 5: thing man a lot dollar his movies, some of the
Speaker 5: most of his movies.
Speaker 2: Are dialogue heavy, trash dialog, all of them. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the new sheriff in town. And you know, even
Speaker 3: though there's his lack of believing. Man, it's was cool.
Speaker 3: But they just spent a lot of time just going back.
Speaker 2: The setup is great, like like especially for like a
Speaker 2: who Done It film? The set up was great.
Speaker 4: Speaking to the setup and the black character, y'all talking
Speaker 4: about it's Major Marcus Warren, He joins the rite. First
Speaker 4: impressions of Major Marcus, warning we all impressed his resume.
Speaker 2: Samuel Jackson, who he said he was, I thought he
Speaker 2: was great in this.
Speaker 5: I thought sam did a great job, and especially with
Speaker 5: the way he did handle the word nigga, I feel
Speaker 5: like he balanced it out calling them crackers and all
Speaker 5: this other type of stuff, and just, uh, why.
Speaker 2: Are y'all do y'all, we ain't gonna make it.
Speaker 3: As soon as I heard, we ain't gonna be a counter.
Speaker 2: It is a counter, Oh my god, dude, it is
Speaker 2: a counter.
Speaker 1: You never mind, I'm not gonna I know that defending
Speaker 1: on offensive and I don't want to sound offensive.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like what I'm saying, it's it's a man, y'all,
Speaker 5: y'all give y'all give the weirdest ship.
Speaker 3: Grace but not what what? What?
Speaker 1: What? Give me an example I have before? Like I said,
Speaker 1: I don't want to give me one, Now give one
Speaker 1: rod exactly. Let's move on because you don't have killing
Speaker 1: murders all that ship. That ship could be cool and
Speaker 1: write up your alley.
Speaker 2: But wait, are you serious? See that's what I'm saying
Speaker 2: because you.
Speaker 1: Throws out the most ridiculous comparison and then trying to go,
Speaker 1: oh man, you think watching something that is not real?
Speaker 1: Watching a clown kill people is the same as watching
Speaker 1: a film where someone's saying bigger time. You know who
Speaker 1: else says that same exact defense white people. They do
Speaker 1: it all the time. And I'm like, I don't listen
Speaker 1: to racist music. Oh, but you're listening to Slayer talks
Speaker 1: about Satan.
Speaker 3: Come on, bro, because it was like the hanging, you
Speaker 3: already did it.
Speaker 2: You can't say I'm not going through your he did it.
Speaker 3: Is like he respects and myers what Major was able
Speaker 3: to do, but at the same time calls him a
Speaker 3: nigger and refers to a nigga. It's like, bro, which
Speaker 3: one is it? If you have that much respect for
Speaker 3: a guy that you think has a letter from Abraham
Speaker 3: Lincoln who freed the slaves. Why are you constantly even
Speaker 3: said he said, you know, the blackies or darkies.
Speaker 2: He called him dark.
Speaker 4: I get what Mike and Kennison because he's trying to
Speaker 4: he's trying to portray it.
Speaker 2: They just talked like that.
Speaker 1: Yes, But even if they don't think they did, Tarantino,
Speaker 1: I think they did. It's satire. I think I think
Speaker 1: they did. You think they talked, yes, But my issue
Speaker 1: is always, why is it in every single one of
Speaker 1: this motherfucker's films, Every single film is the same ship
Speaker 1: Niger Niger, nigger, nigg nigger, nigger, niggera every movie.
Speaker 2: We're talking about this movie. No, No, I'm not.
Speaker 3: You might be.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about all of it. I'm talking about right now.
Speaker 2: We're talking about all of his movies, and this plays.
Speaker 5: In but we're not talking about You can't tell me
Speaker 5: what I can talk about, and you're you're not to
Speaker 5: go to the You made the last one.
Speaker 2: I did this movie, the last one, and I tried.
Speaker 4: Major Marcus warned produces a letter from the President Abraham Lincoln,
Speaker 4: which seemed to soften the white character and made him
Speaker 4: trusting more.
Speaker 2: This went overwhelm for you.
Speaker 5: Up, Yes it did, especially how it came back around later. Yeah,
Speaker 5: let's saying set up was great with this movie.
Speaker 3: Set up was great.
Speaker 2: Did you think about the pulling out.
Speaker 3: To still got it? Yeah? I still got it? Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sam did a good job. Sam did a good job.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But every time he was called the nigga, he's
Speaker 3: in the smiling anyway. I don't know why the hell Lincoln.
Speaker 2: Will be writing him like pimp pals. Yeah, like pimps
Speaker 2: or whatever. But that's how good he was. He knew
Speaker 2: he heard a major Marquis Warren and didn't do shit
Speaker 2: for you. What about Sheriff Chris mannis when he came around,
Speaker 2: did you like him?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: I like none of these fucking people. I don't like
Speaker 1: none of these fucking people. This ship was garbage.
Speaker 2: It sounded like he was on some bullshit Chris Mann.
Speaker 4: It's the loud mouthed Southern sheriff, openly disrespectful one, which
Speaker 4: I think about his relationship and how he was looking
Speaker 4: at Warren.
Speaker 3: I think they did all of this throughout this whole
Speaker 3: movie to get us to them at the end and
Speaker 3: constantly being you know, an inn word hater and hating
Speaker 3: black people all to get to the end. But you know,
Speaker 3: he was an asshole. You know, he kept you know,
Speaker 3: poking and prodding the general. He just didn't like him,
Speaker 3: or the mayor whatever his name was. He didn't like
Speaker 3: him at all, you know. And I didn't think it
Speaker 3: was trustworthy. I didn't think he was like really going
Speaker 3: to be the sheriff either. I thought it was a bullshit.
Speaker 3: I was like John Run or whatever his name.
Speaker 2: Was, like how you just kept pressing him, and he said, look,
Speaker 2: it's just politics. He was saying that it was politics
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: After he got called out, he said, oh, I ain't
Speaker 3: mean to get into politics.
Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, you spit here, you don't call me.
Speaker 3: A nigger five times, and now you don't want to
Speaker 3: get into politics.
Speaker 2: Got a gun in his face. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 4: So the snowstorm gets worse and they gotta go to
Speaker 4: many hair er dashers, the haberdashery whatever her name is.
Speaker 4: They had to go to her house. They get there,
Speaker 4: many as gone. So this is the setup for the
Speaker 4: whole who done it thing? At this point in time,
Speaker 4: is still nothing better for you much?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: I was just like, all right, you weren't even curious
Speaker 4: about what the fuck was gonna happen. I think that
Speaker 4: was the what I like most about this movie. She's like, bro,
Speaker 4: what is happening?
Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 4: I didn't think, really, no, nothing was happening. I love
Speaker 4: the set up up two people and they were hitting
Speaker 4: in the town, and like, why would just right? Nothing
Speaker 4: was happening. So you look at it like why just
Speaker 4: even a movie? But then you get to the house
Speaker 4: and it's like, oh, okay something, so who done?
Speaker 1: After I heard nigger thirty eight times, I didn't give
Speaker 1: a fuck about anything else that happen.
Speaker 3: It definitely was, was it. It's to the point where
Speaker 3: I was watching it and I was complaining about the
Speaker 3: movie and I was saying the reasons why, and my
Speaker 3: wife was hearing it. She was in the kitchen cooking
Speaker 3: and I'm sitting there watching it, and he said, it's
Speaker 3: so many times, so many, so much that she was like, oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I hear exactly what you're saying. What you're talking about, like,
Speaker 3: and she'll give more grace than I am, because maybe
Speaker 3: I could be a little bit, you know, extra over
Speaker 3: the top or whatever. But she was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I what you're saying what I do like about I
Speaker 3: like Sam and Senior Bob's exchange in the thing where
Speaker 3: they were doing the horses, and I liked when he
Speaker 3: was like, are you is not like it? Let me
Speaker 3: a liar? He was like, no, I'm not. He said
Speaker 3: what he said. He said, I'm not calling you a liar,
Speaker 3: say says, I sound like it. But I yet I
Speaker 3: liked that line. I thought that was funny.
Speaker 4: So you mentioned Bob, he was there, Oswaldo was there
Speaker 4: the hang in the Red Rock, Joe was there at
Speaker 4: the Quiet Cowboy in General Sandy Smithers, a former Confederate general.
Speaker 4: None of these characters did anything for you, rod Ken, Mike, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: they a nice collection of people.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Like I said, it was the mystique. It's like, okay,
Speaker 2: what's going on here?
Speaker 5: You got a guy sitting in the bag, you got
Speaker 5: a general just sitting here at the front in a chair.
Speaker 5: You got the guy who was claiming to be the
Speaker 5: hangman where they're on their way to town. So you
Speaker 5: got all of these interactions, but still old boy was
Speaker 5: still skeptical of like, Okay, well, who are y'all real?
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying? So I thought that that
Speaker 5: was good. He see, he seemed very intuitive, and I
Speaker 5: liked that of Kurt Russell, right that. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 5: like I liked his character.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so someone poisons to coffee. Two characters die.
Speaker 3: Damn you jumped all the way.
Speaker 5: I mean, I feel you know, I felt like I
Speaker 5: was just gonna keep talking about him saying niggas.
Speaker 3: But so I was anything characters because there is a
Speaker 3: lot of filler in this part. So I do agree
Speaker 3: with you jumping to the other part. So I don't
Speaker 3: entirely disagree because it's like, what are we going to
Speaker 3: talk about with him? Just fact finding who all these
Speaker 3: people were? Even the English guy trying to pretend like
Speaker 3: he's a little bit better than everybody. Uh what did
Speaker 3: he call him? He called him another word Nubian.
Speaker 2: Was a levels.
Speaker 3: But I really would have loved to hear like I
Speaker 3: thought it would have been interesting, like Sam Jackson's characters
Speaker 3: conversation with the general because they were on opposing sides,
Speaker 3: and how they would have had, like, you know, a
Speaker 3: real dialogue, even though he was very clear that he
Speaker 3: didn't like him because of who he was, but just
Speaker 3: Sam fighting for But even Sam point I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you captured like ten fifteen Color commanders or whatever and
Speaker 3: not on the made it back to camp, you know,
Speaker 3: so that could have been something interesting, you know that
Speaker 3: they did with that, but even still kind of showing
Speaker 3: that he had sort of respect for yeah, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: can I say I was on the battlefield with this guy?
Speaker 3: Can I said not have a conversation with him? That
Speaker 3: was all a set up though, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was because he wanted to kill him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, self defense.
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Speaker 2: Did y'all have any theories about the coffee? They only
Speaker 2: could have been three three people? Who do you think.
Speaker 4: Was Minie Dave and uh, all right, so we get
Speaker 4: to who poisoned the coffee? Warrening mannis realized someone inside
Speaker 4: his line about poisoning the coffee, and then they begin
Speaker 4: executing suspects one by one.
Speaker 2: Did just worked for you, Muny?
Speaker 1: I was just like, well, the hopefulest means this movie
Speaker 1: is almost fucking over from they're killing people and it
Speaker 1: was not Jesus and I look down like, bro, are
Speaker 1: you serious?
Speaker 2: There's a whole fucking hour left.
Speaker 1: That means there's at least three hundred more niggers to
Speaker 1: come out of these fucking people's mouth.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: So they go us to the basement and they see
Speaker 4: that Jody de Margret is down there. Who is Daisy's
Speaker 4: brother hiding in the basement? Everything I said, I was
Speaker 4: just like this here a shootout breaks out and more
Speaker 4: desk Still nothing for you guys, can Mike when you
Speaker 4: shot him in the nuts when they was a shootout.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we just shot him in the nuts.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was a shot in the nuts hit.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I do like how Sam Jackson's character throughout the movie,
Speaker 3: he just kept kind of poking and prodding see girl Bob,
Speaker 3: And he was just kind of slowly gathering information and
Speaker 3: putting stuff together. And then in this particular scene when
Speaker 3: he got everybody together and lined them up against the wall,
Speaker 3: and then he had to work with Mannuts because at
Speaker 3: this point Run and the other guy dead from the coffee,
Speaker 3: and Manuts was about to drink. He threw the shit
Speaker 3: away or whatever, and then he just kind of walks
Speaker 3: in your bob down and then he was like, well,
Speaker 3: she was so fucked up. He said, many had a
Speaker 3: sign that was missing. I guess that's what you're looking for.
Speaker 3: I thought he was looking for, like a jar. He
Speaker 3: pick up all the poisons covered. He was like, but
Speaker 3: that sign's missing. No dolls and Mexicans allowed. And then
Speaker 3: she took the sign down because she let dogs bro
Speaker 3: that ship was so fun.
Speaker 2: But then we found out it wasn't true. We found
Speaker 2: out it wasn't true, which what.
Speaker 3: We'll we'll we'll get to it. But yeah, she still
Speaker 3: let the Mexican in the out in the building.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's true, Mike, anything for you, honest, no
Speaker 2: know what you want to make the.
Speaker 5: Yeah, before that part when the showdown between the General
Speaker 5: and the and Samuel, I did like that part because
Speaker 5: I think you just skipped over there, and I think
Speaker 5: that was an important part. How he went through He
Speaker 5: had his son going through the snow all that ship.
Speaker 5: That ship was crazy.
Speaker 2: It was. It was dramatic as hell.
Speaker 5: But I thought it was a very intriguing story that
Speaker 5: led to somebody poisoning in the coffee.
Speaker 2: Like so in the middle of the middle of that,
Speaker 2: that's when somebody.
Speaker 3: You think the truth.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't.
Speaker 5: It just seemed it seemed a little embellished or whatever
Speaker 5: and whatever. So I wasn't sure if that's.
Speaker 2: Wor he was true.
Speaker 3: Do you think he really shot the general's son.
Speaker 5: I do think he shot the general's son. I don't
Speaker 5: know if like he put his johnson down his throat.
Speaker 5: You know, this ship was crazy. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 5: if that part was true.
Speaker 3: I was wondering if he started to make all that
Speaker 3: up because he wanted to kill him as revenge.
Speaker 2: For what he did to the troops or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he heard about the son came up here
Speaker 3: and died. But because where did that gun come from?
Speaker 3: That wasn't the son's gun was itself?
Speaker 5: Because the hangman wouldn't allow Well, if it was truly
Speaker 5: the hang man, he wouldn't allow him just to shoot
Speaker 5: him cold blood.
Speaker 2: He would have had to have been defending himself.
Speaker 3: Whatever. Oh, even when when the guy walked in, when
Speaker 3: Manness walked in, was like, hey, you know who that is,
Speaker 3: he was like, yeah, that's the that's the hang man.
Speaker 3: You the sheriff. You don't even you know, So it
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, he's supposed to know, but he wouldn't
Speaker 3: knew it because he's the new sheriff. He never would
Speaker 3: have met the hang man, so he never would have
Speaker 3: really known him.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Where do we go from here? What about as
Speaker 2: Ball or Marbury revealed to also be part of the game.
Speaker 2: Do y'all care about that?
Speaker 1: By this point I already assumed they're all part of them,
Speaker 1: all right, they're all on the gang. Shan Tatum, I
Speaker 1: think by this point is he he's already got his
Speaker 1: head shot off.
Speaker 2: So I was like, Okay, they're all in the game. Cool,
Speaker 2: let's wrap this shit up.
Speaker 3: Be so the Yeah, because he held Shanon Tatum as
Speaker 3: long as he for a long time, about two hours,
Speaker 3: them going back and showing how he uh, how they
Speaker 3: went into this whole place with many who just happened
Speaker 3: to be black and then another black woman worked there,
Speaker 3: and then there was other two white people and then
Speaker 3: sweet Dave for Again, that's what I'm saying, like, I
Speaker 3: don't know if Sam made that up to get Senor
Speaker 3: Bob to confess, because Senor Bob walked in and she
Speaker 3: could probably clearly tell he was Mexican and she was
Speaker 3: just sweet, loving and adore everybody. But his face was covered.
Speaker 3: He took it off though.
Speaker 2: Remember I still did think he was Mexican. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: thought Sam made the story up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't think it was I.
Speaker 1: Don't think he was Mexican because then he didn't look
Speaker 1: any kind of Mexican.
Speaker 2: He he had a bad accent. It seemed fake, And
Speaker 2: I think that Sam made the story up.
Speaker 4: Roger, you think the story he said was real? Which
Speaker 4: one the story that he made about him coming in
Speaker 4: dogt in the Mexican.
Speaker 5: M I don't know, because I had that same thought, like, well,
Speaker 5: watch she let him in in the first place, and
Speaker 5: I don't think we ever saw the sign unless she
Speaker 5: took the sign down before she said.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It sounded like he.
Speaker 3: Knew many, really knew many, because remember he talked about
Speaker 3: the stupid Yeah yeah, yeah, So I don't know why
Speaker 3: he would make that one up and not.
Speaker 2: The other stuff.
Speaker 4: What do y'all think about Joe Gage being revealed as
Speaker 4: as an outlaw? Was that surprising that all?
Speaker 2: Joe Gage?
Speaker 3: Not really. That was the one that that remember when
Speaker 3: he walked up and he was like, look, I got
Speaker 3: this person that I'm taking in. She's worth ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: Oh yea, I gotta take the guns. And he walked
Speaker 3: up to Joe Gauge to get the gun and Sam
Speaker 3: Jackson was behind him. What about him?
Speaker 2: Was I surprised he was an outlaw?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, I wasn't surprised.
Speaker 5: He was always just like one of the most mysterious ones,
Speaker 5: like yeah, yeah, nah, It just surprised that he was
Speaker 5: part of the Only.
Speaker 2: One that was surprising was probably the hangman that he
Speaker 2: was watered the game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, because he had to like the little British
Speaker 5: accent and stuff, and I don't know, he just didn't
Speaker 5: seem like an outlaw, okay, he seemed like an authority.
Speaker 2: What are y'all surprised about the letter?
Speaker 3: No, you thought that it was fake? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I knew it was fake from the second the movie started.
Speaker 1: Second I had play I was like, oh, he's bullshitting.
Speaker 1: He's using that letter to again after you hear thirteen niggers,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, he's using that letter. So people actually
Speaker 1: treat him like he's a human. So no, it wasn't
Speaker 1: surprising to me that he was lying about the letter and.
Speaker 3: Even said it. He said the only way white people
Speaker 3: feel safe is if you disarmed, you know, so he
Speaker 3: even said it. I was surprised he confessed that it
Speaker 3: wasn't because it was like, it's not like Manet's had proof.
Speaker 2: Well, he was dying, so it was like didn't matter
Speaker 2: at that point.
Speaker 3: No, no, No, I was talking about earlier because I
Speaker 3: remember he admitted the letter was fake earlier. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: sold he went back because remember they were they were eating, uh,
Speaker 3: they were eating the stew and stuff like that. And
Speaker 3: then then Mannus was like, uh, what do you say,
Speaker 3: black major or something like that, some other shit or whatever.
Speaker 3: Then it was like yeah, it was it's just so stupid.
Speaker 3: But anyway, trying to stay focused. He was like, man,
Speaker 3: I ain't got time for your shit, man, And then
Speaker 3: he kept questioning about the letters, like yeah, I heard
Speaker 3: you got a letter from Abe Lincoln, bah blah, blah
Speaker 3: nah man. It was like, yeah, ain't nowhere in hell
Speaker 3: he gonna be writing you a pen passed with Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 3: And then John Rouhone was like, wait, is that true?
Speaker 3: Are you lying? And then he was like, yeah, I
Speaker 3: was lying. I'm surprised if you confessed that easy though.
Speaker 3: You put yourself at risk.
Speaker 2: And then I feel like you feel like he ain't
Speaker 2: have nothing to lose.
Speaker 3: At that point, I thought, I guess, but you you
Speaker 3: you had a trust in a relationship that was built
Speaker 3: with this guy that respected you on the battlefield, and
Speaker 3: you completely wiped that away with admitting that the letter
Speaker 3: was faith even though I think they still continued to
Speaker 3: work together, but still it was just kind of weird
Speaker 3: and they didn't even He had Shannon Tatum come up
Speaker 3: and was like, uh oh win, he threatened the old
Speaker 3: guy because it was like, how's the white guy? But
Speaker 3: they needed to wipe the old general to decorate to
Speaker 3: make it a little less suspicious. And it was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: so I gotta what he said. I got a pile of.
Speaker 4: All right, so we'll wrap this, get to the wrap
Speaker 4: up part of this. Well, you got surprised at the
Speaker 4: end when it was just Mannix Warren and Daisy Left.
Speaker 1: Mike rot Were we surprised that they were the only
Speaker 1: ones left? No, they shot everybody else. But you did
Speaker 1: you expect them to be the last two standing? Probably
Speaker 1: because they were the first two you introduced to. No,
Speaker 1: not really, because the first we were first who were
Speaker 1: introduced to was Kurt Russell and Jennifer Jason Lee whatever
Speaker 1: her name was. But no, it was just like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm just glad this is over. I'm sorry. I know
Speaker 1: I sound like a wet blanket this. I really fucking
Speaker 1: hated this. Every single minute that this was on my television.
Speaker 2: I was angry. What's a was surprised they were the
Speaker 2: last two standing? It made sense that they were. They
Speaker 2: were the last two standing, And I like how we
Speaker 2: got here. Yeah, I'll say that.
Speaker 3: What you mean?
Speaker 5: So? I like that, you know, you start off like
Speaker 5: kind of what Kim was saying, you start off at
Speaker 5: the beginning was a setup for the end or whatever.
Speaker 5: So I liked that you had this sheriff that had
Speaker 5: hate for this black man and then you end up
Speaker 5: having to side with him and be in cohoots with
Speaker 5: him in order for you know, for survival, right, So
Speaker 5: I like how that ended that you could be on
Speaker 5: two sides of the coin, but still if there's one
Speaker 5: common evil, that's where you can relate, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. And so yeah, and I just like how
Speaker 5: this whole the intensity of all of this played out,
Speaker 5: Like I like how all of this from like him,
Speaker 5: like I want I'm interested, I'm interested in what she
Speaker 5: got to sell, you know what I'm saying, Like like,
Speaker 5: I feel like he did a really good job.
Speaker 2: That dude's a really good activis I And I really
Speaker 2: liked liked him here and I always liked Sam Yale
Speaker 2: for the most part in the movie. He's like you
Speaker 2: believe that bitch, you know what?
Speaker 5: But nah, man, I thought like everything about it, the intensity,
Speaker 5: the way they told it, Like I just I like
Speaker 5: how we got to this point or whatever.
Speaker 2: And it was very satisfying on how how it ended came.
Speaker 3: So so the ending was interesting, and I'm wondering if
Speaker 3: Quinn Tarantino was trying to make like this larger point
Speaker 3: kind of what I was saying, It's like, here's this
Speaker 3: guy these here's this racist guy who's been at odds
Speaker 3: with the general this whole time, and now they had
Speaker 3: to come together to work together. The thing about it
Speaker 3: is it didn't really make any fucking sense managed decision
Speaker 3: because because he expressed his dislike for black people, so
Speaker 3: and and it in the end when uh, what's the name, Jeane,
Speaker 3: what's calling him out? She was like, are you really
Speaker 3: going to side with this guy? Like all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: now you are an inWORD lover like it, which he has,
Speaker 3: like he's hated and expressed like clear hatred for this guy.
Speaker 3: So is Quinn trying to be deep and trying to
Speaker 3: make a point like, oh, look, these two game together
Speaker 3: to work for like the common good or for peace
Speaker 3: or whatever or justice.
Speaker 4: Think that's what he was going for, like in his
Speaker 4: brain from how especially how y'all are explain to him,
Speaker 4: I think that that's I did a good thing here,
Speaker 4: look what I did.
Speaker 3: No, it fell flat. I'm sure if we're talking about
Speaker 3: this period right after the Civil War where black people
Speaker 3: are still hated and he hates black people, and you
Speaker 3: got a chance to turn all these bodies in to
Speaker 3: get this reward, and you don't like black people. Kill
Speaker 3: the fucking black guy.
Speaker 1: You think it was a coincidence that the only black
Speaker 1: person or only black man in this film was shot in.
Speaker 2: The dick.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I will never, in my entire existence on this planet
Speaker 1: understand black folks obsession with this motherfucking guy.
Speaker 2: This feels like black magas to me. I don't get it.
Speaker 2: Black people loves Guarantino. I don't get it.
Speaker 1: This motherfucker spits his eye every time he makes a movie,
Speaker 1: and y'all like spitting the other one.
Speaker 2: Please. You didn't like Jackie Barine. I don't like Ship
Speaker 2: from this motherfucker man. Have you seen Jackie Bine? You
Speaker 2: like it? No? I like Pam Grier. I don't like
Speaker 2: anything that was.
Speaker 1: That was probably the closest I came to liking one
Speaker 1: of his fucking movies. It was Jackie, but it seemed
Speaker 1: like that one. He was just like, okay, I think, no,
Speaker 1: I think. After that, he's like, you know what, let
Speaker 1: me turn the nigger meter up to like bick and
Speaker 1: let me say nigger as many times I can do
Speaker 1: it in a film and to see what people say.
Speaker 2: And he's like, oh, Ship, black folks ain't doing nothing
Speaker 2: to me. I can get away with this. Matter of fact,
Speaker 2: he said, some of y'all like it. He said in
Speaker 2: an interview Nigger Niger nigga, he said word of interviews,
Speaker 2: big fucking man quin Tarantino. Really, I'm not a fan
Speaker 2: of him. I like some of his movies. You like
Speaker 2: all his movies?
Speaker 3: No, no, I thought you said you were.
Speaker 2: He did has a Tarantino tramp stamp trying to lie. Now.
Speaker 2: I like pop fiction. I like Jackie Brown. I like this,
Speaker 2: Oh you don't like to Kill Bill series?
Speaker 1: There's not any fucking nigger yelling in that. He does say, nigger,
Speaker 1: what'successive things?
Speaker 3: Here?
Speaker 2: Three is done? This one is definitely excessive. Three niggers
Speaker 2: in the movie.
Speaker 1: I'm out, bro, I don't wanna hear this ship no more,
Speaker 1: especially when there's only like one or two people know.
Speaker 2: A fucking movie.
Speaker 4: Okay, so you're saying his movies. You're not saying a
Speaker 4: movie in general because a movie.
Speaker 2: You watched the movie.
Speaker 1: If it's a movie in general, I'm probably gonna be
Speaker 1: okay with it. But if the same director makes two
Speaker 1: more films after that and it's just as many niggas,
Speaker 1: I'm out.
Speaker 2: I'm started looking at you like what the fuck is wrong?
Speaker 2: And it doesn't and a lot of it was just
Speaker 2: just so let me ask you to this well, anyone
Speaker 2: thoughts on the movie? No, fuck this movie and fuck
Speaker 2: Quentin Tarantino. That's it for you two.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean it's this is This is a hard panel
Speaker 2: to have have a serious conversation. So that's it for
Speaker 2: the review.
Speaker 4: A couple of well facts, No, man, who's more racist?
Speaker 4: David Chase with quin Garentino. I don't know who David
Speaker 4: Chase is the Sopranos creative. You said this that was
Speaker 4: racist too, Yes.
Speaker 2: The Sopranos was definitely racist as fuck. Who's more racist?
Speaker 2: But you put them in the same bucket? I should ask.
Speaker 1: Look, man, I don't know what's worse or cold of
Speaker 1: the flu. It's the same fucking shit.
Speaker 3: I think. I think Tarantino doesn't think he's racist.
Speaker 2: He sure David Chase doesn't either.
Speaker 3: David Chase came out of the minute No.
Speaker 4: No, I said, I watched something and that chose me
Speaker 4: that he is like racist leaning racist leaning.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, I don't think that he knows.
Speaker 4: It's just like he just said about Tarantino. I think
Speaker 4: that David Chase's portrayal of black people in the Sopranos
Speaker 4: is really how he looks at black people, and he
Speaker 4: don't think nothing wrong with it. I think Quentin Tarantino
Speaker 4: just thinks he's cool.
Speaker 1: I think at some point both of them have been
Speaker 1: approached and said, hey, your idea of black people is
Speaker 1: fucked up, and in that moment they have the opportunity
Speaker 1: to be like, damn, you're right. Neither one of them
Speaker 1: did that because they're racist pieces of shit. But Quentin
Speaker 1: Tarantino is never gonna go too far because he makes
Speaker 1: too much money off of us.
Speaker 4: Chase tried to do it in many sciens of k
Speaker 4: new it. I never watched the Sopranos movie he tried to.
Speaker 4: You could tell he was responding the backlash of the
Speaker 4: Sopranos being racist because it's black characters is a whole
Speaker 4: black storyline.
Speaker 2: They did this whole thing and they're just regular ass
Speaker 2: black folks. Yeah, it was about these that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had had a lingerin what you mean by
Speaker 1: regular but exactly, yeah, ID so they're they're they're probably stupid, uneducated,
Speaker 1: and they're violent.
Speaker 4: Just like in the Soprano It was like the sexual
Speaker 4: he's messing with the white girl, the white man white.
Speaker 2: I don't know why.
Speaker 4: It was about like the sixties riots, in New Jersey
Speaker 4: or some ship and how the correlated.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he definitely tried to and yeah.
Speaker 1: Well last to wrap it up, I'm gonna answer your question.
Speaker 1: I think it would be Tarantino because Tarantino at this
Speaker 1: point has been told multiple times that this is fucking weird.
Speaker 1: Why do you have a heart on for the N
Speaker 1: word in every film? And he's still as a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, after he was called out, he did it
Speaker 1: more so it's like, why are y'all cool with this
Speaker 1: type of ship?
Speaker 2: I don't get it, I really don't. I want never understand.
Speaker 5: But because he thinks it compromises the honesty of that
Speaker 5: of the historical times every single time period I heard you,
Speaker 5: and I'm disagreeing with you again because he said this,
Speaker 5: I know, but every you said this earlier is what
Speaker 5: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Every single time period that he has made. When has
Speaker 1: he made a movie where you don't hear nigger at
Speaker 1: least ten times?
Speaker 3: Never? And I think he's saying that to just cover
Speaker 3: up for yes.
Speaker 1: Because every single movie he does it, So that means
Speaker 1: every time period, and Tarantino's dumb ass brain, every single
Speaker 1: time period, nigger is a table time word don't.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what yes going to say that.
Speaker 2: He probably said it in fucking what was that vampire
Speaker 2: shit he was, and he probably said in that ship too.
Speaker 3: He puts himself in the movies just so.
Speaker 2: I want to drink your blood. Unless you're a nigger.
Speaker 4: That's all right. If there's no more thoughts in our
Speaker 4: hearts and minds, you're clear. That is the review for
Speaker 4: the more an ambursaries.
Speaker 2: I don't know, put this on the what not?
Speaker 3: It wasn't Jalen. You picked it. And then the fans
Speaker 3: and the fans.
Speaker 1: And they did that ship on purpose. They did it
Speaker 1: on purpose. All right, y'all we out peace,