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Speaker 3: Guy Ralford on ninety three WYPC.

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Speaker 4: And good afternoon, and welcome to the gun Guy show

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Speaker 4: here on ninety three WIBC. What thrilled you with us?

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Speaker 4: Let's get right into it. I was just reading on

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Speaker 4: social media about a shooting. This is in quote unquote Cumberland,

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Speaker 4: really far east side of Indianapolis, in the area of

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Speaker 4: German Church Road and East Washington Street. And this happened

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Speaker 4: at four point thirty in the morning with reports of

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Speaker 4: a person shot in the one hundred and thirteen hundred

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Speaker 4: block of Tuck Court, again near German Church in East

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Speaker 4: Washington and Cumberland Metropolitan Police Department officers responded and ultimately

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Speaker 4: gave a statement that there was a man found who

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Speaker 4: a local hospital in critical condition, and a spokesperson for

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Speaker 4: Cumberland PD said investigators believe the man who was shot

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Speaker 4: was attempting to break into the home and also reported

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Speaker 4: that the shooter, apparently the homeowner, was cooperating with the investigation.

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Speaker 4: And this story got posted by WTCHR on social media

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Speaker 4: and a lot of folks were commenting, and as I

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Speaker 4: a little disappointed in. I should never assume for a

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Speaker 4: minute that everybody listens to the Gun Guy Show or

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Speaker 4: everybody's coming gone through my Essentials of Indiana gun law class,

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Speaker 4: and so I should not assume that everyone also has

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Speaker 4: been self educated on Indiana's self defense laws. But the

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Speaker 4: amount of misinformation or really just I think people relying

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Speaker 4: on inaccurate understandings of Indiana self defense law as they're

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Speaker 4: commenting on this shooting, and it just it made me

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Speaker 4: definitely want to want to talk about it. This just

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Speaker 4: on Friday. And listen, if you listen to the Gun

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Speaker 4: Guy Show, you you're you've probably already got the correct

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Speaker 4: terms in your head. Castle doctrine exactly right? And what

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Speaker 4: is the castle doctrine? The castle doctrine says that you

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Speaker 4: have the legal justification, would you have the legal ability

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Speaker 4: to defend your home, including with deadly force, if you

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Speaker 4: reasonably believe that deadly force is necessary to either prevent

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Speaker 4: And I talk about the statute often, but it's just

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Speaker 4: so important. I mean, as an advocate for Second Amendment rights,

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Speaker 4: important to them, very important to their family, very important

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Speaker 4: of that is when someone's trying to break into your

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Speaker 4: And listen, everybody looks at this and said fully justified.

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Speaker 4: Now a lot of them believe a lot of people,

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Speaker 4: at least commenting on social media, believe that it's fully

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Speaker 4: Are you know we're commenting on the WTHR posts that

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Speaker 4: you're doing those same things you do in your house,

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Speaker 4: justifying using deadly force with no duty to retreat. Ah,

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Speaker 4: that's what makes it a stand your ground law. You

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Speaker 4: And I'm not advocating for more and more people to

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Speaker 4: That the person broke in, that they did not have

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Speaker 4: that it was, in other words, an unlawful entry. That's

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Speaker 4: Now that they have to break into your home. In

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Speaker 4: the word necessary is critical there too. And I've mentioned

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Speaker 4: and people seem to be intimidated by the fact that

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Speaker 4: they were a quote unquote militia. Hell, let's think about

433
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Speaker 4: that a minute. How does the Second Amendment start? Citizens

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Speaker 4: soldiers are allowed to gather together in this country and

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Speaker 4: to train and to arm themselves and to become proficient.

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Speaker 4: That's what being well regulated is within the meaning of

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Speaker 4: the Second Amendment. And that applies to the NFAC exactly

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Speaker 4: as much as it applies to me or any organizations

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Speaker 4: I'm a member of. And to go to the next step,

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Speaker 4: it applies absolutely without any question to the John Brown

441
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Speaker 4: gun Club. Now, these people quote unquote celebrate when Nazis die.

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00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 4: Is that a threat? Not directly? No, They and come

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Speaker 4: out and say they're going to kill people they define

444
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Speaker 4: as Nazis with an identification of who that would include

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Speaker 4: you and I can all guess at that and probably

446
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Speaker 4: come pretty close, particularly since they have the reference to

447
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 4: the Charlie Klirk Kirk assassination with the Hey fascist catch reference.

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Speaker 4: But that doesn't go the next step to be an

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Speaker 4: actionable I think, as a threat or to constitute what

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Speaker 4: we would call in Indiana's intimidation, which is threatening someone

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Speaker 4: with a particular objective. You threaten someone, you threaten someone

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Speaker 4: with a deadly weapon. Our statue says, well, using or

453
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Speaker 4: drawing a deadly weapon, that's a felony in Indiana. Does

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Speaker 4: that fall within that category? No, I don't think so.

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Speaker 4: Celebrating when some person you don't like dies. I mean,

456
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Speaker 4: did I celebrate to some degree when Bin Lauden was killed? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think you could characterize that as a celebration. I'm

458
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Speaker 4: sure there are people in the Muslim world who would

459
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Speaker 4: think that was terrible of me. So that doesn't get

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Speaker 4: you there. So do I support the John Brown Gun

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Speaker 4: Club in terms of their ability to arm themselves, to

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Speaker 4: form themselves a militia, and to participate in the political process,

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Speaker 4: including to gather, to have protests, to have marches, One

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Speaker 4: hundred percent, no reservation, You bet it. However, the existence

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Speaker 4: of a group like the John Brown Gun Club also

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Speaker 4: tells me that there are people on the other side

467
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Speaker 4: of the aisle who are apparently, at least indirectly advocating violence.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it doesn't use a phrase Grandpa Ralford used

469
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 4: to say all the time, it don't take no gypsy

470
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Speaker 4: to read those tea leaves to call themselves the John

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Speaker 4: Brown Gun Club, to call them themselves a far left

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Speaker 4: wing militia and put out flyers as I've described, tells

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Speaker 4: me their intent is to be a violent group, or

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Speaker 4: maybe it is just to intimidate indirectly by making us

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Speaker 4: think they're a violent group. Either way, does that make

476
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 4: me more and more likely? And given the left of

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00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 4: the violence here generally, and I'm not talking about violence

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Speaker 4: that we can speculate about, like with the John Brown

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Speaker 4: gun club, I'm talking about actual violence. We've seen the

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Speaker 4: assassination attempts on Charlie Kirk, the assassination attempts at the

481
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 4: Senate softball or baseball practice that wounded, horribly wounded Steve Scalise.

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Speaker 4: I'm still surprised that he survived, and many thought he

483
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Speaker 4: wouldn't during his long rehabilitation, and over and over and

484
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,959
Speaker 4: over again the violence we see from the left and

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Speaker 4: then now with quote unquote militias are rising on that

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Speaker 4: side of the aisle. So that tell me they don't

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Speaker 4: have the right to do what they're doing. Well, you

488
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 4: don't have the right to use violence. But back to

489
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Speaker 4: what we've seen so far anyway from this particular gun club,

490
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 4: they absolutely have a right to do what they're doing.

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Speaker 4: But what's it tell me? It tells me that the

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Speaker 4: urgency associated with my own ability to protect my community,

493
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Speaker 4: to protect my home, protect my family is absolutely as

494
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Speaker 4: paramount as I've known it's been for a long time.

495
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 4: Circumstances are such I think more and more people are

496
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 4: going to wake up to the idea that at some

497
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 4: point you may have to defend yourself and have the

498
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Speaker 4: capacity to defend yourself and to not rely on nine

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Speaker 4: to one one. Police are the first to tell you

500
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Speaker 4: that they can't be everywhere, and their response time often

501
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 4: is such that they're cleaning up after the fact. What's

502
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 4: that tell you? It tells you the absolute essential nature,

503
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 4: the absolute necessity of having capacity to defend yourself, your family,

504
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 4: and your home when the need arises. The fact there

505
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 4: are groups like this rising up doesn't mean they're not

506
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 4: entitled to do what they're doing currently. It just means

507
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 4: that at least indirect threat tells us the urgency associated

508
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 4: with the capacity to defend yourself is has just taken

509
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Speaker 4: another step I think toward being extremely urgent. I'll tell

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Speaker 4: you what, We're gonna have an incredibly short segment, if

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Speaker 4: we have one at all. We come back off gone

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Speaker 4: past the three quarter hour, Let's take a break, come

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Speaker 4: back for the Gun Guy Show here in just a bit.

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Speaker 4: This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guys Show on

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Speaker 4: ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 1: Your Rights, Your Responsibilities, your Guns. This is the Gun

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Speaker 1: Guy with Guy Ralford on WYBC.

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Speaker 4: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

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Speaker 4: Show one three WIBC. After we break at the top

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Speaker 4: of the hour, come back around shift gears a little

521
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Speaker 4: bit talk about this shooting at an ice facility in Dallas,

522
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Speaker 4: and it's really kind of amazing to me how when

523
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Speaker 4: we see these radical left wing folks like that. The

524
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Speaker 4: person I just want to call him a kid. He's

525
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 4: in his twenty so clearly as an adult. But the

526
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Speaker 4: person who allegedly killed Charlie Kirk, I mean, after just

527
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Speaker 4: a little bit of a delay and some initial confusion,

528
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 4: it came out and it was I think confirmed from

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Speaker 4: multiple different sources that this person had been radicalized and

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Speaker 4: had extremely left wing leanings. That was upset in particular

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Speaker 4: at Charlie Kirk, not only for being a conservative generally,

532
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Speaker 4: but for disputing the idea that a man can be

533
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Speaker 4: a woman and a woman can be a man. And

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00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 4: that was primarily because this same person was in a

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Speaker 4: romantic relationship with someone who was transitioning quote unquote, as

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Speaker 4: I understand it, from a man to a woman. And

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00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 4: what did we see though, And this is one of

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Speaker 4: the reasons the big kerfuffle. There's a word to show

539
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 4: my age a rose over Jimmy Fallon come out. I say, oh,

540
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 4: you know, obviously this is one of the Maga people.

541
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Speaker 4: He's and they're doing everything they can to deny that

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00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 4: he was one of theirs. The Ice shooting is another

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00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 4: example of the ice shooting in Dallas of how the

544
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 4: Left tries to spin these things. And that's what we'll

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00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 4: talk about when we come back. Right now, we're breaking

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Speaker 4: at the top of the hour. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 4: This says Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on

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Speaker 4: ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 1: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of

550
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: a free state, the right of the people to keep

551
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: in their arms shall not be infringed.

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00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 3: This is the Second Amendment, and this is the Gun Guy.

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Speaker 2: Boom boom boom boom bang bang bang bang boom boom, boom, boom,

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Speaker 2: bang bang.

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Speaker 3: Bom, Guy Ralphord on three WYBC.

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Speaker 4: Hey, and welcome back for hour number two of The

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Speaker 4: Gun Guy Show here on ninety three WIBC. So, the

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Speaker 4: Dallas Ice shooting, that is an attack on an ICE

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Speaker 4: facility by someone who clearly was targeting ICE agents, who

560
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Speaker 4: had anti Ice literally anti Ice engraved on at least

561
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Speaker 4: one of his cartridges, and opened fire on an ICE

562
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Speaker 4: facility where they were holding detainees, by the way, and

563
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 4: in fact the people who got shot were actually detainees

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Speaker 4: and not ICE agents. And so of course immediately the

565
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 4: leftist press came out and reported this as clearly being

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Speaker 4: another Mega or another conservative, another person who somehow hated immigrants

567
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Speaker 4: in this country. I was attacking the immigrants by shooting

568
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 4: at them at an ICE facility. And just like in

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Speaker 4: the Charlie Kirk shooting Charlie Kirk murder, the immediate reports

570
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 4: that came out were verified established to be completely false

571
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 4: and inaccurate and misleading, and probably intentionally so. Where it

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00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 4: came out, the Guy had a history and documented history

573
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 4: of being upset about ICE, set about immigration's customs enforcement,

574
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Speaker 4: and about the fact that ICE was engaged as President

575
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Speaker 4: Trump promised, they would be engaging the process of deporting,

576
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Speaker 4: of finding, detaining, and then deporting illegal aliens in this country,

577
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 4: and he was upset about that. That's why he opened fire.

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00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 4: He was clearly trying to kill ICE agents. He reportedly

579
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Speaker 4: had a fairly crappy rifle and was a fairly crappy

580
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 4: shot and shot the wrong people. He's upset on behalf

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Speaker 4: of illegal immigrants in this country. So what does he do.

582
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Speaker 4: He goes and shoots and kills. I think two died

583
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Speaker 4: in that shooting attack. Others wounded the very people he

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Speaker 4: was supposedly upset on behalf of. So A he's an idiot.

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00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 4: B he's allows he shot. But watching the left spin

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Speaker 4: this and watching the media spin this. I mean, if

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00:38:53,200 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 4: it wasn't completely frustrating, it would be funny. And what

588
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Speaker 4: I actually did break out laughing about is somebody sent

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Speaker 4: me a link to an article in the New York

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Speaker 4: Post and listen, I should not expect anything different from

591
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Speaker 4: the New York Post, but the headline says anti ICE shooter.

592
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 4: At least they called him anti ICE, so he's they're

593
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Speaker 4: admitting here the guy was actually targeting ICE agents and

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Speaker 4: not actually illegal aliens being detained, but shooter, and then

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00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 4: they name him. I don't like to name these people.

596
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 4: They're after notoriety, They're after fame, even in death. I'll

597
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 4: give that to him. But antish ice shooter blank and

598
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Speaker 4: this is the best part used Nazi battle rifle in

599
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Speaker 4: deadly Dallas attack, it says colon experts. So Nazi battle

600
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Speaker 4: rifle man. The left just cannot get away from the word,

601
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 4: not can they. I mean, every time you turn around,

602
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 4: I mean hell on social media. Just because I advocate

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Speaker 4: for Second Amendment rights, and probably because I'm a white

604
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Speaker 4: middle aged man, well, I can't really claim middle age anymore.

605
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 4: I'm on past middle age now. As I told my

606
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Speaker 4: buddy Checka the other day over lunch, I said, I

607
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 4: can't call myself middle age. I'm I'm in the third quarter,

608
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 4: maybe approaching the fourth, so halftime's over. But maybe just

609
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Speaker 4: because of my demographic however you want to assess it,

610
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Speaker 4: I get called a Nazi. But man, they love that

611
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Speaker 4: term Nazi battle rifle. So is that another attempt that

612
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Speaker 4: we keep saying to spin this, say this guy had

613
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Speaker 4: some kind of motivation or association or reference point with

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Speaker 4: the quote unquote Nazis because he was using a Nazi

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Speaker 4: battle rifle. And by the way, is that an accurate

616
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 4: description of this rifle, and what the hell are they

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Speaker 4: talking about? And this is where I started chuckle, because

618
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Speaker 4: reportedly what the guy had and this was a rifle

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Speaker 4: he just obtained in August an a rifle that was

620
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Speaker 4: sufficiently old being called an antique. But it was an

621
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Speaker 4: eight millimeter Mauser. And he may recall that the murderer

622
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Speaker 4: of Charlie Kirk used a thirty to six Mauser. What's

623
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Speaker 4: the connection, Well, the same manufacturers, manufacturer obviously been around

624
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Speaker 4: for a very long time. Is it an accurate description

625
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 4: to call it a Nazi battle rifle? And again we

626
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Speaker 4: can only speculate us what the motivation of the Washington

627
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Speaker 4: Post was and calling it that to begin with, I

628
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 4: think they're clearly trying to point more figures to say, oh,

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Speaker 4: this guy must have had right leanings, he had some

630
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Speaker 4: love affair with a Nazi battle rifle. He must be

631
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Speaker 4: a Nazi, which, by inference in their minds, associates him

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Speaker 4: with the right. Those of us firmly entressed on the

633
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 4: right have to find that a bit humorous, but as

634
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 4: an accurate description, Look that eight millimeter Mauser and again

635
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 4: another bold action rifle as was used, different caliber, same manufacture,

636
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Speaker 4: and apparently the Maus of thirty odd six used in

637
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 4: Utah by the murder of Charlie Kirk was I think

638
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 4: quite a bit newer than what they're saying this guy

639
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 4: had in Dallas. But the eight milimeter Mauser Guess was

640
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 4: developed in Germany in the late eighteen hundreds, like eighteen

641
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 4: ninety something. It was a primary infantry rifle during World

642
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 4: War One, carried by the Germans. And it's been a

643
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 4: while since I took European history, and I have not

644
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 4: studied European history like I have American history. But I'm

645
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 4: pretty sure that Nazis didn't come around until I say,

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Speaker 4: the nineteen thirties, and they weren't. They weren't around for

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Speaker 4: World War One when the mals of eight millimeter of

648
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Speaker 4: this particular vintage were being carried by German soldiers. Now

649
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Speaker 4: did some German soldiers also carry the mals of eight

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Speaker 4: millimeter in World War Two? Yes? Were some of those

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Speaker 4: German soldiers Nazis? I'm sure they were. So is there

652
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Speaker 4: some hint of accuracy about that description? I suppose you

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Speaker 4: could cling to that if you were so inclined. But

654
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 4: the rifle was developed much earlier than that. Was used

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Speaker 4: much before. That was used extensively by German troops in

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Speaker 4: World War One. And do I think that this guy

657
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Speaker 4: went out and chose this particular rifle because he went

658
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Speaker 4: Oh yes, as as a person leaning toward Nazi principles.

659
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Speaker 4: It's just it's practically romantic to select a Nazi battle

660
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Speaker 4: rifle to do my evil deed that I'm planning. Absolutely not,

661
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Speaker 4: that's a joke. I think he's reportedly twenty nine years old.

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Speaker 4: I have no idea what his financial condition was. I

663
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Speaker 4: can only guess, but if he's buying what's essentially an

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Speaker 4: antique eight millimeter MOUs or Bold Action, he wasn't spending

665
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Speaker 4: a lot of money. And I will offer a little

666
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Speaker 4: bit of informed speculation that he's probably a broke ass

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Speaker 4: kid twenty nine and that's what he could afford. Not

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Speaker 4: because it had some romantic association with Nazis, and it

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Speaker 4: assuming that was his motivation to begin with, why on

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Speaker 4: earth would he have a plan to then kill Ice

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Speaker 4: agents in Dallas when it's Ice agents that are being

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Speaker 4: called Nazis. Hell was it? Gavin Newsom, governor of California,

673
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 4: was talking about them being the Gestapo. Those are Nazis.

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Speaker 4: That's the association the Left keeps trying to spend. That's

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Speaker 4: the association they keep trying to establish that they want

676
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Speaker 4: all of us out there to believe. Of course it's nonsense.

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Speaker 4: So to try to create some association between this idiot

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Speaker 4: in Dallas who not only is not particularly smart but

679
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Speaker 4: a really lousy shot, that's he chose his Nazi battle. Sorry, no,

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Speaker 4: that shall not pass. I'll tell you what were the

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Speaker 4: quarter I will take a break, well, shift gears again

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Speaker 4: and take care of calls. We had a couple of

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Speaker 4: people who have called in and then dropped off for

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Speaker 4: whatever reason, probably because I was in mid rant. Free

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Speaker 4: to join the discussion, give us a call. Three one

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Speaker 4: seven two three nine ninety three ninety three three one

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Speaker 4: seven two three nine ninety three ninety three. This is

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Speaker 4: Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 1: Now you've got a gun guy, Guy Ralfred on ninety

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Speaker 1: three WYBC.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show

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Speaker 4: on ninety three Wibc're still not going to eat callers time.

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Speaker 4: If you want to join the discussion, we can get

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Speaker 4: your right on the air. Give us a call. Three

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Speaker 4: one seven two three nine ninety three ninety three three

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Speaker 4: one seven two nine ninety three ninety three. So these

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Speaker 4: last two very high profile shooters, the I shooting. By

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Speaker 4: the way, some of my buddies in the chat on

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Speaker 4: YouTube are telling me that the particular mouser that was

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Speaker 4: used in the Dallas eye shooting actually came from Chile

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00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 4: and and uh and also the Mauser licensed out the

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Speaker 4: design of this eight millimeter Bold Action into a lot

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Speaker 4: of different countries that are produced in a lot of

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Speaker 4: different countries, and somebody had the very astute point that

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Speaker 4: it's unlikely to be a Nazi battle rifle if it

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Speaker 4: came from Chile. I think that's a fair point. And

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Speaker 4: so you would think again looking at these last two shootings,

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Speaker 4: the just.

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Speaker 3: Horrible, horrible, horrible.

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Speaker 4: Assassination of Charlie Kirk, which I think a lot of

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Speaker 4: us are going to take a long time to get over,

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Speaker 4: and then the shooting at the ice facility in Dallas.

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Speaker 4: These were both done with yeah, the Mauser quote unquote,

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Speaker 4: but both both done with Bold Action rifles. And and

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Speaker 4: I'm sure on one hand, the anti gun crowd out there,

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Speaker 4: Liberals are out there, I mean, you know, they light

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Speaker 4: up whenever they have the opportunity to accuse the so

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Speaker 4: called assault weapon the weapons of war quote unquote, which

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Speaker 4: is obviously an inaccurate description, but what they often quality,

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Speaker 4: they often ascribe to ar fifteen of them, like semi

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Speaker 4: automatic rifles, the most common rifles an American. Neither one

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Speaker 4: of these shootings were committed with a quote unquote asault rifle.

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Speaker 4: And a lot of times when we see shooting, we'll

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Speaker 4: see shootings with handguns, we'll see shootings with shotguns, and

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Speaker 4: the left just sort of disappears about those because they

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Speaker 4: don't have the steady drum beat that they love to

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Speaker 4: use to quote Rama Manuel, never letting a good tragedy

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Speaker 4: go to waste of going after the most common rifles

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Speaker 4: in America, the so called assault rifles again, which they

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Speaker 4: call weapons of war. Well now they're calling a bolt

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Speaker 4: action Mauser a Nazi battle rifle, so they're not wandering

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Speaker 4: too far from that theme. But so you would think

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Speaker 4: that the gun control screams wouldn't be present, wouldn't have

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Speaker 4: been generated from these last two shootings, but oh no,

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Speaker 4: you would be wrong. Son of minority leader Chuck Schumer,

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Speaker 4: was asked about the Ice shooting and where did he go.

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Speaker 4: This was on MSNBC's Mourning Joe, and I can never

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Speaker 4: look at, listen to, or see Mourning Joe without laughing,

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Speaker 4: usually out loud, and thinking about his description. Just I mean,

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Speaker 4: days before then, President Biden participated in the debate with

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump and the world got to see the extent

742
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Speaker 4: of his mental degradation. I mean, how deep into dementia

743
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Speaker 4: he had sunk at that moment, and the world got

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Speaker 4: to see it, and it was no longer deniable. But

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Speaker 4: Morning Joe on msn NBC had come out and said,

746
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Speaker 4: this version of Joe Biden is as sharp, is as good.

747
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Speaker 4: It's the best he's ever been. His staff can't keep

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Speaker 4: up with him. He runs circles around his staff. He's

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Speaker 4: the most hard work, He's the brightest, most astute he's

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Speaker 4: ever been. Forgive me, I have to go on that

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00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 4: rant every time I think about Mourning Joe and how

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Speaker 4: he can show his face on television after being embarrassed

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Speaker 4: over that comment. I'm not quite sure. But Chuck Schumer

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Speaker 4: was being asked by Mourning Joe about the Ice shooting

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Speaker 4: in particular, and where did Chuck Schumer go? He goes,

756
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Speaker 4: we need better laws on guns, first place he goes

757
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Speaker 4: gun control. We need better laws on guns. So he

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Speaker 4: get these most recent shootings. He's got two shootings committed

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Speaker 4: with bold action rifles. We need better laws on guns.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we got something done a few years ago.

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Speaker 4: He's talking about this so called Safer Communities Act. I mean,

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Speaker 4: we got something done a few years ago, but it's

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Speaker 4: just rampant and we have to do more. So he's

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Speaker 4: talking about passing laws. So how many generations, decades have

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Speaker 4: we heard from the left, the gun control proponents on

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Speaker 4: the left, how many how many years have we heard

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Speaker 4: no one wants to want No one wants to take

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Speaker 4: your hunting rifle, right that that that that dear rifle

769
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Speaker 4: that you have, that rifle you use to put food

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Speaker 4: on the table. No one's going to take your hunting

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Speaker 4: rifle away from you. I mean, we've heard no one

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Speaker 4: wants to take your guns at all. And of course

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Speaker 4: that's a lie. And in fact, we saw calls for confiscation.

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Speaker 4: We saw presidential candidates come right out and say, hell, yes,

775
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Speaker 4: we're going to take her AR fifteen. Hell yes, we're

776
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 4: going to take her AK forty seven. So we know

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Speaker 4: confiscation is part of the plan. But as part of that,

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Speaker 4: even those that have admitted they want to come take

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Speaker 4: your semi automatic rifle with a detachable magazine, at least

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Speaker 4: they've said no one at least wants to take your

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Speaker 4: hunting rifle. Now, I always chuckle about that because as

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Speaker 4: part of that, they say, and by the way, you

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Speaker 4: can't hunt with an AR. Fifteen has no use for hunting,

784
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Speaker 4: therefore you don't need one. Where is the reference to

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Speaker 4: hunting in the Second Amendment talking about well regulated militia

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Speaker 4: being necessary for the security of a free state. That's

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Speaker 4: the preamble. What's important is are the arms that I

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Speaker 4: have a right to keep in bear that are necessary

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Speaker 4: for the security of a free state. What the hell

790
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Speaker 4: does that have to do with hunting? People say, well,

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Speaker 4: that doesn't totally. And by the way, do people hunt

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Speaker 4: with ars, Absolutely, one hundred percent they do. Now, they're

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Speaker 4: obviously cartridge restrictions on what you can use to hunt

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Speaker 4: different game, and some of the most common ars are

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Speaker 4: in calibers that are not necessarily legal for hunting certain things.

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Speaker 4: But that's not because they're quote unquote too powerful, like

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00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 4: always gets stated about them. It's just the opposite, not

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Speaker 4: powerful enough, not a big enough cartridge moving fast enough

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Speaker 4: to guarantee an ethical kill of an animal like a deer.

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Speaker 4: But my point in all of this is they've said, well,

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Speaker 4: no one wants to take your hunting room, and I've

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00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 4: never believed that when I heard it. I think there

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Speaker 4: are people out there that would take every gun in

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Speaker 4: America if they could. Of course, that's every gun they

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Speaker 4: can get a hold of, which means they're going to

806
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 4: go to law abiding people and take their guns. And

807
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 4: of course the criminals are not going to relinquish theirs,

808
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 4: which leaves you only one element of society that's armed.

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00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 4: But that's still the plan. And well, I think is

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Speaker 4: great evidence of that. And it may be just that

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Speaker 4: Chuck Schumer is an idiot and it didn't even know

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Speaker 4: what kind of rifles he's talking about. But after two

813
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Speaker 4: different shootings with bold action rifles, you got Chuck Schumer

814
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Speaker 4: calling for more gun control. Well, that's so called a

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Speaker 4: solivan ban is irrelevant to those two shootings because they

816
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 4: saw weapon wasn't used neither one. And then you've got

817
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 4: an article like the Trace. If you know the Trace,

818
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 4: they're about as leftist as they come. But they actually

819
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Speaker 4: had an article here just recently about the dangers of

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Speaker 4: these evil bold action rifles that are the weapons of

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Speaker 4: choice for quote unquote long range sniper attacks. And what

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Speaker 4: we now need to be primarily concerned about as far

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Speaker 4: as a danger to the American public is long range

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Speaker 4: sniper attacks with bold action rifles. What's that tell you?

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Speaker 4: What's the point? What direction are they going? Here? They're

826
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Speaker 4: laying a foundation, yes, to come after your hunting rifle.

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Speaker 4: And listen, if I want to take a long distance shot,

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Speaker 4: I mean a very long distance shot. There are all

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Speaker 4: people out there, all kinds of people out there. People

830
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Speaker 4: tell you they qualified with their with their their M

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Speaker 4: one with iron sights at five hundred yards, and and

832
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Speaker 4: and and and I absolutely believe them when they tell me.

833
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 4: And people that you know tell me what they qualified.

834
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Speaker 4: They qualify with their M sixteen or their M four

835
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Speaker 4: And they were shooting long distances with iron sights. And

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Speaker 4: it's with semi automatic rifle. Are there semi automatic sniper rifles?

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Speaker 4: So absolutely there are used by the military. But you

838
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Speaker 4: asked me what I want to use if I want

839
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Speaker 4: to take a really long distance shot. Say I want

840
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Speaker 4: to take a five hundred yard shot, and I want

841
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Speaker 4: to have some confidence and I'm going to hit that

842
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 4: shot rifle that I own? Am I going to take

843
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Speaker 4: for that Am I going to use for that shot?

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna use my Bold Action three hundred win MAAT

845
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 4: And so long range shots, yes, are going to be used,

846
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,479
Speaker 4: are going to be taken. And a lot of people

847
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 4: are going to select a bold action rifle. Why are

848
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 4: they used some prevalent in hunting, Well, there are round

849
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Speaker 4: restrictions in most states. A lot of times you're only

850
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 4: taking one, maybe two shots a shot and a follow up,

851
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 4: and yeah, a lot of times shots are taken at distance.

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00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 4: Now people again will restrict themselves on distance because they

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Speaker 4: want to make sure they can make an ethical kill

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00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 4: as part of a hunt. And a lot of people

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Speaker 4: I know, and I'm not a big deer hunter, people

856
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 4: I know saw I won't take a shot over two

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Speaker 4: hundred yards or I won't take a shot over one

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Speaker 4: hundred and fifty. But what guns are they using? Not

859
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Speaker 4: always a lot of them are using bold action rifles. Why,

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Speaker 4: by the way, why is a bold action rifle inherently

861
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Speaker 4: more accurate than a semi automatic? Well, you can't completely

862
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Speaker 4: compare genres and compare all rifles are all bold action

863
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Speaker 4: rifles more accurate than all semi automatic absolutely, not not

864
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Speaker 4: even close, but generically speak, there are traits about the

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Speaker 4: bold action rifle that makes it more accurate the semi automatic.

866
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Speaker 4: There are fewer moving pieces at the time the gun

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Speaker 4: is cycling or the time the gun is firing, there

868
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Speaker 4: are less things going on in a bold action rifle

869
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Speaker 4: and through less moving parts, less movement of the gun,

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Speaker 4: and the way that a lot of bold actions are built,

871
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Speaker 4: they're built specifically for long distance shooting. So is there

872
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Speaker 4: a threat a continuing threat of more quote unquote to

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Speaker 4: use the language of the trace, Are there dangers out

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Speaker 4: there of long range sniper attacks using bold action rifles? Well,

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Speaker 4: I suppose to the extent that we've now seen two

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Speaker 4: high profile shootings of exactly that nature, they're going to

877
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Speaker 4: be more wackos decide that's what they want to do

878
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Speaker 4: as well. What does that tell us about the need

879
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Speaker 4: to find these people, to chase them down, to identify them,

880
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 4: to get them off the streets before they have an

881
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Speaker 4: opportunity to do these things. But if you think you're

882
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Speaker 4: going to pass a law that's going to address this,

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Speaker 4: as Chuck Schumer was clearly suggesting you are talking about

884
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Speaker 4: taking America's hunting rifles away from them. That's exactly what

885
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 4: you're talking about. And if there's an excuse to do it,

886
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Speaker 4: and the favorite excuse to the left is to point

887
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Speaker 4: to any tragedy and say, aha, that's exactly the reason

888
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Speaker 4: we need to go in that direction, then you're going

889
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Speaker 4: to see exactly what's unfolding right now. People waving their

890
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Speaker 4: hands in the air talking about the dangers of these

891
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Speaker 4: kinds of attacks, and then politicians saying, well, there's got

892
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Speaker 4: to be something to do. Do I see that happening

893
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Speaker 4: in my lifetime. Absolutely not, but don't think it's not

894
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Speaker 4: on their agenda, which is exactly the point. And with

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Speaker 4: that we're a little pass the botom of the arrows.

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Speaker 4: Take a break. We'll be right back, and if we

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Speaker 4: have any go to the phone lines and shift gears

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Speaker 4: a little bit. Here. On The Gun Guy Show on

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Speaker 4: ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 1: This show about gun rights, gun safety, and responsible gun ownership.

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Speaker 1: This is the Gun Guy with Guy Ralford on three WYPC.

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Speaker 4: Man, welcome back on Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy

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Speaker 4: Show on ninety three WYBC. I was reading about a

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Speaker 4: shooting in penn station train station in New York City.

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Speaker 4: It just happened this last week, and a guy there

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Speaker 4: in the train station tried to rob to undercover police officers,

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Speaker 4: at least there were police officers in playing clothes, and

908
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Speaker 4: one of the officers drew his gun and shot the

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Speaker 4: back guy apparently just hit him in the arm. Guy's

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Speaker 4: gonna be okay, but good guys won. Robert lost, And

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Speaker 4: you say, okay, that's all good news. But you know,

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Speaker 4: doing what I do for a living and looking at

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Speaker 4: things from a legal perspective, it really sort of took

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Speaker 4: me back through what we've seen in New York and

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Speaker 4: in particular what we've seen from New York and other

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Speaker 4: places like Hawaii and California, and their response to the

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Speaker 4: Supreme Court's decision from here a couple of years ago

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Speaker 4: in the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association versus

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Speaker 4: Bruin case, and if you don't recall that case, what

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Speaker 4: that case came out and said that was dealing with

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Speaker 4: the fact that in New York City there were very

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Speaker 4: severe restrictions on your ability to get a carry license

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Speaker 4: that would allow you to carry a hand gun outside

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Speaker 4: the home, and virtually nobody unless you were politically connected

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Speaker 4: got a license, and the rank and file New York

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Speaker 4: citizen simply couldn't carry outside the home. And so the

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Speaker 4: Supreme Court, and ruling on that case, said, listen, carrying

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Speaker 4: a handgun outside the home is a right protected by

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Speaker 4: the Second Amendment. And having this licensing system that involves

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Speaker 4: some government official having the discretion to decide who had

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Speaker 4: a sufficient need quote unquote to carry a handgun in public.

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Speaker 4: And basically in New York it was you had to

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Speaker 4: have some active, current threat against you, just having a

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Speaker 4: job that puts you in harm's way, or carrying large

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Speaker 4: amounts of cash or jewelry like some jewelry store owners

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Speaker 4: wanted to get a license. Couldn't living in a high

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Speaker 4: crime area. None of that was good enough. You had

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Speaker 4: to have some current active threat. So and so is

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Speaker 4: currently trying to kill me. Here's documentation of it. I mean,

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Speaker 4: that's about how bad it was. As far as the

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Speaker 4: requirement to have a sufficient need to get a license

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Speaker 4: in New York, Supreme Court said that's unconstitutional. You have

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Speaker 4: to have a shall issue system, meaning anybody who's eligible

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Speaker 4: to get a license without the discretion of some bureaucrat

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Speaker 4: scratching his chin, saying, you have a need, but you don't.

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Speaker 4: Can't be based on need, that be based on legal eligibility,

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Speaker 4: like the system we have here in Indiana when we

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Speaker 4: had a license requirement, still have a license and the

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Speaker 4: requirements the criteria for getting your license or exactly what

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Speaker 4: they've always been, or at least for a long long time.

951
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Speaker 4: But a shall issue system as opposed to a may

952
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Speaker 4: issue system. And so a lot of us looked at this.

953
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Speaker 4: And by the way, they also redefined the test. And

954
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Speaker 4: this is what's made huge progress for Second Amendment rights.

955
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Speaker 4: And they redefine the test. I said, no, it's text, history,

956
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Speaker 4: and tradition. It's not some balancing of a of a

957
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Speaker 4: compelling governmental interest in whatever it might be balanced to

958
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Speaker 4: get the against the extent of infringement of a constitutional right.

959
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Speaker 4: That balancing test always irritated the hell out of me. Well,

960
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Speaker 4: a little bit of infringement is okay as long as

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Speaker 4: there's a compelling government interest that we're trying to protect

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Speaker 4: or that the law is trying to advance. No, shall

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Speaker 4: not be infringed, means shall not be infringed, And whatever

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Speaker 4: level of infringement you think is okay. Is not okay

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Speaker 4: because it's still infringement. And so we got away from

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Speaker 4: this balancing test and the Brewin decision, but also through

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Speaker 4: the shall issue requirement and the recognition that carrying a

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Speaker 4: handgun outside the home is a fundamental right protected by

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Speaker 4: the Second Amendment. A lot of us celebrated the Brewin

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Speaker 4: decision enthusiastically. This is really changes the landscape well New

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Speaker 4: York and several other states, as I mentioned, seeing what

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Speaker 4: they're now faced with of well, gosh, we have to

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Speaker 4: issue licenses, we have to have a shall issue system.

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Speaker 4: People are going to carry guns more than they could before.

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Speaker 4: What can we possibly do to continue infringing on the citizens'

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Speaker 4: rights in New York? I mean, that's literally the thought process.

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Speaker 4: And they took one phrase out of the bruined decision,

978
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Speaker 4: which is, yes, it's a fundamental right to carry a

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Speaker 4: handgun outside the home. However, they recognize that a government

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Speaker 4: may want to still restrict guns from being carried in

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Speaker 4: certain sensitive places like schools, and governments like the government

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Speaker 4: in New York, in Hawaii and California and others. It's aha,

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Speaker 4: We'll declare every damn place a sensitive location where we

984
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Speaker 4: can still regulate firearms, and that's exactly what they sought

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Speaker 4: to do. Basically, it was anywhere in public I mean

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Speaker 4: it's not quite that bad, but getting pretty close. One

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Speaker 4: of the places they declared as a sensitive area was

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Speaker 4: public transportation in New York City, and that would include

989
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Speaker 4: Penn Station where they're shooting occurred. Why do you suppose

990
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Speaker 4: there were two bad guys brazen enough to walk up

991
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Speaker 4: to just two men standing around on a platform in

992
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Speaker 4: the train station and try to rob them at gunpoint

993
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Speaker 4: because they know it's a prohibited place. They know it's

994
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Speaker 4: a quote unquote gun free zone. And I've been saying

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Speaker 4: for a lot of years, there does such thing as

996
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Speaker 4: a gun free zone. It's a fallacy. It doesn't exist.

997
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Speaker 4: There's no such thing as a gun free zone. Doesn't exist.

998
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Speaker 4: Why do I say that? Or there are places where

999
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Speaker 4: only the good guys have guns, like after the securiarity

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Speaker 4: of the airport, Why because there were people with guns

1001
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Speaker 4: and metal detectors and the wherewithal to take your gun

1002
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Speaker 4: away from you. If you try to take your gun

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Speaker 4: into a place where it's not allowed prisons, after you

1004
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Speaker 4: get through the gate, you get through security, that's a

1005
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Speaker 4: gun free zone. But it's not without guns. Are there

1006
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Speaker 4: guards with guns, Yes, only the good guys have guns.

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Speaker 4: Then there are places that are not restricted, so essentially

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Speaker 4: anybody can have a gun there. Maybe not legally as

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Speaker 4: far as bad guys who cannot legally possess firearms, but

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Speaker 4: in terms of the capacity to have guns there, anybody

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Speaker 4: can have a gun there out on the street in public.

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Speaker 4: Here in Indiana, bad guys have guns. Good guys have guns,

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Speaker 4: they're illegally able to do so. And then there are

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Speaker 4: places where only bad guys have guns. At least there

1015
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Speaker 4: are no good guys that have guns there unless they're

1016
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Speaker 4: willing to break the law. So declaring public transportation areas

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Speaker 4: including Penn Station in New York is a gun free

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Speaker 4: zone is not declaring it a gun fore zone at all,

1019
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Speaker 4: because it doesn't exist. It's a fallacy. It's declaring that

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Speaker 4: we will only allow bad guys to have guns here,

1021
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Speaker 4: or at least we acknowledge that only bad guys will

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Speaker 4: have guns, because the good people are going to follow

1023
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Speaker 4: the law and not have guns. And that's exactly why

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Speaker 4: you got two guys robbing two adult men standing on

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Speaker 4: a platform in Penn Station in New York. And by

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Speaker 4: the way, that that prohibition about public transportation went up

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Speaker 4: to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals here just recently,

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Speaker 4: and Second Circuit Court of Appeals being the Second Circuit,

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Speaker 4: an incredibly liberal circuit, said, oh no, that's fine. Where

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Speaker 4: he's very crowded areas, there's a certain sense, since there's

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Speaker 4: certainly sensitive areas where it makes perfect sense to restrict

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Speaker 4: guns there. That's consistent with text, history and tradition of

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Speaker 4: the Second Amendment. And New York can have this law

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Speaker 4: if at once. And so then what do you see

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Speaker 4: at Penn Station? Exactly what everybody would predict. Gun free

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Speaker 4: zones don't exist. Are places where only good guys have guns.

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Speaker 4: There are places where both good and bad people have guns,

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Speaker 4: and there are people there are places where only bad

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Speaker 4: guys have guns. That's New York's Penn Station. Congratulations New York, brilliant.

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Speaker 4: And with that, I'll tell you a little past three

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Speaker 4: quarter hours, take a break there, we'll come back and

1042
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Speaker 4: we'll wrap up this edition of the Gun Guy Show

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Speaker 4: here on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 1: Now you've got a gun guy Guy Ralford on ninety

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Speaker 1: three WYPC.

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Speaker 4: And welcome back. Got a bit of a short segment

1047
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Speaker 4: here to wrap up this edition of The Gun Guy Show.

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Speaker 4: But you know this shooting in New York, and by

1049
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Speaker 4: the way, I went back and looked at the article,

1050
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Speaker 4: it was it was actually a female officer that shot

1051
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Speaker 4: this bad guy there as she was waiting with a

1052
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Speaker 4: fellow officer there on the platform in Penn Station. Doesn't

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Speaker 4: change any of my points about that, but I wanted

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Speaker 4: to be accurate about that. I had read it first time,

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Speaker 4: just said two officers, and I incorrectly assumed they were

1056
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Speaker 4: both guys. But there you go. And if I'm a

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Speaker 4: woman standing around in Penn Station in New York, you

1058
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Speaker 4: think I don't want to be armed one hundred percent,

1059
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Speaker 4: I do, but New York law prohibits me from doing that.

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Speaker 4: And I'll leave you with this. This is one of

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Speaker 4: those areas the Supreme Court just really has to take up.

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Speaker 4: Supreme Court needs to take those are called a slip

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Speaker 4: and ban cases, And in fact, we had Justice Kavanaugh

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Speaker 4: came out and said, we really need to take one

1065
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Speaker 4: of these here soon. They take that. They need to

1066
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Speaker 4: take the age restrictions, the high capacity magazine case, and

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Speaker 4: the sensitive cases sensitive places cases. They absolutely need to

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Speaker 4: take those as well a lot of people are being

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Speaker 4: deprived of their constitutional freedoms and the Supreme Court needs

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Speaker 4: to step in.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's this week's edition of the show. Remember always

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Speaker 4: shoot straight and always be safe. This is Guy Ralford

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Speaker 4: on ninety three e WYBC.