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Speaker 1: That was a fabulous win and a much needed win

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Speaker 1: they got it, but they were still in search of

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Speaker 1: that signature win, not just a signature win for the

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Speaker 1: win for this season for the quad one wins. And

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Speaker 1: they always change the terminology of this. At one time

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Speaker 1: it was quality win. Now I think it's it's Quad one,

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Speaker 1: is it not? EDDI are there four tier? Which is it? Quad?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Quad one, Quad two, Q three, Quad four?

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Speaker 1: How many Quad four games that they played to it?

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Speaker 3: Well, it wouldn't be able. You couldn't call it a

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Speaker 3: quad jake because the quad has to have four.

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Speaker 1: Right, right, That's what I'm saying. But how many? So

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: How big an insult is it? If you like, if

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Speaker 1: just make it. We're still guys, we're listed as a

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Speaker 1: Quad four. This Quad four go by how bad the

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Speaker 1: So that would be my number one motivation if I'm

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be Quad three or Quad three by January?

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Speaker 1: Is that the goal? But either way, Indiana needed a

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Speaker 1: We've seen those t shirts, but rather to say this

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Speaker 1: And I like Daron Debrees. I don't know him personally,

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Speaker 1: but everything I've heard and the way that they play,

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Speaker 1: terms of that. However, one of the things I want

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Speaker 1: Indiana fans and Purdue fans have obviously this angst amongst

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Speaker 1: It's what makes the rivalry great. But usually it is

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Speaker 1: That's how Purdue fans typically feel. So today's a little

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Speaker 1: role reversal because with Indiana winning that game last night

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Speaker 1: Eddie Garrison, you tell me if you agree with this

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Speaker 1: And Fletcher Lawyer right now is a piston that's misfiring.

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Speaker 1: Well, they're both, which leads to this And I could

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Speaker 1: says Bill Pollyon said, I don't know whether I did

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Speaker 1: or not, and it's entirely possible. I mean Bill, Bill

433
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: is an older gentleman. I mean, this is no disrespect

434
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Speaker 1: to him. I can completely see depending on when that

435
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: vote was him saying you know, I mean. I'm a

436
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: voter for the Auto Racing Hall of Fame at the

437
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Motor Speedway, and I keep each year a record

438
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: I photographed for myself because you have to. You take

439
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: the ballot, it's literally a paper ballot, and you mail

440
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Speaker 1: it in. I take a photo of it every year

441
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: so that I can keep track, because if I vote

442
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 1: for a driver or a contributor in twenty twenty three,

443
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: and they don't get in, and they're on the ballot

444
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: again in twenty twenty four. Well they didn't. They didn't

445
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 1: not do something between twenty three and twenty If I

446
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: thought they were worthy in twenty three, I have to

447
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: think they're worthy in twenty four and keep them in.

448
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,479
Speaker 1: So I make sure that I'm consistent with that. But

449
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: it is hard sometime. If you were to ask me,

450
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: did you vote three months ago for so and so,

451
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: I would probably have to go back and look to

452
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: be honest with you, because there are just so many

453
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 1: you're looking at, so many different cases and things. The

454
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: bottom line is this, to me, it's almost irrelevant because

455
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick everyone knows he's a Hall of Famer. Yes,

456
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 1: everyone knows he is the most accomplished coach in the

457
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: history of professional football. And so yeah, it's an honor

458
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: to be a first ballot. I've always kind of thought

459
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: of that honor as being exclusive to baseball. But being

460
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: a first ballot, I guess is a big deal. And

461
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: in Bill Belichick's case, this probably actually helps him even

462
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: more because then when he does get in, the biggest

463
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: storyline is going to be about the fact that he

464
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: was snubbed because everyone knows he's a first ballot guy.

465
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: Whereas if I said to you, Tom Landry first ballot

466
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Speaker 1: or not a boy, I don't. I know he's in,

467
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: but I don't know what ballot he got in. Right,

468
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: And in Belichick's case, literally everyone's going to be yeah,

469
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: that was the thing, because we all know he's a

470
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: first ballot guy. He's going to be labeled as a

471
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Speaker 1: first ballot guy more so than those that initially were Anyway.

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Speaker 3: Like I just I'm just curious, like to the ten

473
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Speaker 3: people who didn't vote for him to get into the

474
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, Like, did they look at the to

475
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 3: you know, spygate, to flate Gate?

476
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: Yes?

477
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 3: And then did they look also at the ten seasons

478
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 3: when he did not have Tom Brady as his quarterback?

479
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 3: He had two winning seasons, He went to the playoffs twice,

480
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 3: won one game. Fair liked were those things the reasons?

481
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 3: Right now?

482
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: Like I said, most accomplished coach, right, Yeah, but yes

483
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: I do. But I do think that the this is

484
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: again normally, the sanctimonious nature of it is typically reserved

485
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: for baseball, but it does feel like that has crept

486
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,719
Speaker 1: its way here into football, and that there are voters

487
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: that may have held against him. I think the deflate gates,

488
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: spygate scandals are culprit number one. I think culprit number

489
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: two is the reality is the way that you treat

490
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: people comes back to help or haunt you. And in

491
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Speaker 1: this case, Bill Belichick, who, as I understand it, is

492
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: a really good Dude's dude all, he's a good dude,

493
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: good guy, but he also knew how to deviate attention

494
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: from off of his players and whatever else. And therefore

495
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: when it came to press conferences and things like that,

496
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: he was a complete pain in the backside. He just

497
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: he wasn't overly cooperative, he wasn't gregarious, he wasn't loquacious.

498
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: And so I think there are a lot of writers

499
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: that are like, you know what, I'm not doing this

500
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: guy any favors. When I was on deadline, I just

501
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: needed a single quote. He wouldn't give it to me,

502
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: and it was a total pain. Guess what turnabout's fair play?

503
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: There's an element of human nature. It's I'm not saying

504
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: it's right. I'm not saying that it is justified, but

505
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: there is an element of that. We'll get plenty into

506
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: IU Purdue. Over the course of today, we'll get plenty

507
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: into this Hall of Fame story as well. When we

508
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: come back. Eddie asked the question, why are players that

509
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: have nowhere to go next year in terms of their

510
00:29:53,280 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: eligibility officially declaring the obvious? And this goes back so

511
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: one of the things that's been a pet peeve of

512
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: mine for a while, and I'm going to explain it

513
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: to you in probably What's going to be a Rat next.

514
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: By the way, this is one of those polarizing songs

515
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: that people either absolutely love or they think it's the

516
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: worst song ever. Where do you follow on that list?

517
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on, Jake. I'm a fan

518
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: of this song. I'm more a fan of this song

519
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: than apparently Ianis is of playing for the Milwaukee Bocks.

520
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, grass isn't always greener on the other side, Jake, Well.

521
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: He doesn't know yet. He's only played there.

522
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 3: Right, It's going back to what Miles said. Oh, that's

523
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 3: right about the departure from Indiana to Milwaukee.

524
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Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see what happens with all of

525
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: that Milwaukee that. I mean, this definitely imploded on them, right.

526
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because they're at a real pick here financially. Yeah, no,

527
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: I do not. Think several people have already asked me, Hey,

528
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: could the Pacers send Matherin Walker and a first round

529
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: pick for Yannis? Giannis is going to require like probably

530
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: three first rounders and another all star player. I mean,

531
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: it's going to be a motherload to get Yannis.

532
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 3: And is there gonna be a tax on Indiana to

533
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 3: trying to get him too? Like, there is no way

534
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: Milwaukee fans would allow, imagine that ownership to trade him

535
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 3: to Indiana with all the things that have happened in

536
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 3: the last two years.

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00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: What if we find out that Miles Turner was the

538
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: piece for Jannis' is Like, that's it?

539
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 3: I'm out, Well, do we fully know if Jannis was

540
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 3: on board with the signing of Riles and getting rid

541
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 3: of Dame Lillard? Like that's still a question.

542
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: They were so secretive from the Indiana side. Who knows

543
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: how open they were on the Milwaukee side about that

544
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: transaction before it took place.

545
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: Yeah?

546
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, everyone has heard my rant about youth sports,

547
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: and if you haven't, I'll simply paraphrase it by saying this,

548
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: youth sports largely are a pyramid scheme. It's very obvious.

549
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: Baseball basketball, not all, not all, But when you start

550
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: getting into the travel tournaments and teams that are playing

551
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: in a Jonesboro, Arkansas on the weekend of the seventh,

552
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: and then on the fourteenth they go on and they're

553
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: playing in a tournament Atlanta, and then on the twenty

554
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: eighth they're in Vegas and they're all eleven years old.

555
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: It's not cheap. Those teams largely have AAU or some

556
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: sort of specified coach and amusing air quotes that are

557
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: gravy training it. From the get go. They are convinced,

558
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: if I coach ten of these eleven year old kids,

559
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: one of them someday will become a big time player

560
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: and I'm really going to cash in and Adidas will

561
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: want to sponsor me and give me money and whatever else.

562
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: But to get that point, that coach needs high profile,

563
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: get his team some attention. So they got to travel

564
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: around and barnstorm around and play teams all over the country.

565
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: And so they always have two to three kids on

566
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: that team whose dads are bankrolling the whole thing. And yes,

567
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: there are parents out there, and if you are one

568
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: of them listening, my apologies to you. I hate to

569
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: bring you the news. Like I said before, I'm not

570
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: trying to be pessimistic, Pete. I'm not trying to be

571
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: you know, negative Nelly here, I'm just simply being realistic. Rick.

572
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: And you are getting told that, listen, your son just

573
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: needs or your daughter just needs to play one more

574
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: travel season with this team, and it's really going to elevate.

575
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: And then they're gonna have to go to this camp

576
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: and they're gonna get noticed by scouts and coaches and

577
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: whatever else. And oh, by the way, it's an extra

578
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: three grand. It's all a scheme, it's all a racket. Yeah. Sure,

579
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: there are great players. There are great players, and oftentimes

580
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: those great players are being showcased and put on stages

581
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: around the country at the cost, at the cost of

582
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: other parents who have completely bought into and they're running

583
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 1: over to the sporting good store and they're spending all

584
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: kinds of money on every auxiliary piece of equipment, and

585
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: they got their eleven year old boy wearing like pectoral

586
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: protectors and they haven't even developed pectoral muscles, you know,

587
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: on and on and on. But I digress. With that

588
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: comes whether we want to admit it or not for

589
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 1: a lot of players. With that comes for those players,

590
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: and in particular the players that are the coveted ones

591
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: on the travel team, that those kids, even though they're

592
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: only nine, ten, eleven years old and it's getting younger.

593
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 1: I've mentioned on this radio station one hundred times every

594
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: single one of you knows somebody who has told you

595
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: about or as a coach that is trying to entice

596
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: your kid to play on the number four ranked second

597
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: grade team in America. There is no number one rank.

598
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: Everybody's always fourth ranked, and they got a top five

599
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: nine year old in the country. Eh, okay, sure, whatever.

600
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: But when you are doing that, and when you are

601
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: creating this almost pyramid scheme of sport, what you are

602
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: doing is, without even realizing it, you are planting the

603
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: seed inside the young athlete of the thirst and the

604
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: quench for attention, adulation and stardom. And you're doing it

605
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: and they're starting to see it at eight, nine, ten

606
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: years old, because whether you think they can't hear you,

607
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: they can see you, and they know that parents are

608
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: talking about how this player is being held back by

609
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: a bad coaching sea or a travel coach that doesn't

610
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: run the right offense, or doesn't feature them enough, or

611
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: doesn't run in football, doesn't throw the ball enough and

612
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: they're you know, they're a great receiver, or runs the

613
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: ball not enough and they're a great running back. Whatever

614
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: it might be. And it starts at a young age.

615
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: And like anything else, we are all conditioned as adults

616
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: in particular, we are all conditioned to fall back on

617
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: the things that happen to us when we're young. Spend

618
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: time around someone and I mean this sincerely. What is

619
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: the number one sign of cognitive decline amongst senior citizens?

620
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: Not the number one, but a very common one. When

621
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: you hear people, yeah, you know my grandfather. I'm not

622
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: saying my grandfather here, I'm speaking generically my grandfather. It's amazing,

623
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: Like you'll have a conversation with them and you'll have

624
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: to repeat yourself three times, but then he can tell

625
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: you exactly who he'sat next to in second grade in

626
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: nineteen forty nine. That's you probably, yeah, but it's because

627
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: But honestly, Eddie, when people get older and they start

628
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: to lose their short term memory, the one thing that

629
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 1: you notice that's locked in is the stuff that's buried

630
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: in the depth of their long term memory and their

631
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: subconscious because what happens to us and what we observe

632
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: and what we learn and what we see not only

633
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 1: directly towards us, but just that impacts us, stays there,

634
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: and that is the seed that gets watered and redirected

635
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: over the course of your lifetime. And for a lot

636
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 1: of young people, they see this at a young age.

637
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: They overhear it. They see people talking about and trying

638
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: to falsely raise them beyond what truly they are, and

639
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: that lets them know. And it's important, of course to

640
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: encourage young people and to let them know that I

641
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: get all that. But then it starts happening. What happens

642
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: then when they become a Division one athlete, of which

643
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: a very small percentage of these people I'm talking about

644
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: become Division one athletes. But what happens when they do

645
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: become a Division one athlete. They get heavily recruited, They

646
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: have recruiting services, They read all the websites, they see

647
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: how many stars they have, they see all the social

648
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: media posts from people saying it, and they get intoxicated

649
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: by the attention. They get intoxicated by the love. They

650
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: can't get enough of it. They cannot get enough of it.

651
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: I understand it. I would have been I have my

652
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: senior or my freshman college ID. I look like the

653
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: biggest train wreck on the planet. You can tell when

654
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: you look at my college ID and you look at

655
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: the picture, you're like, that's a guy right there that's

656
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: about to spend a freshman year like the Hindenburg because

657
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: he thinks the world revolves around him. And I did.

658
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: I thought the world revolved around me because I was

659
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: eighteen years old. I was an eighteen year old boy, right,

660
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: young man, whatever you call me. But imagine not only

661
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: having the national or the natural excuse me arrogance and

662
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: naivete of being eighteen years old, but also having that

663
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: being fueled by nine years worth of people building you up,

664
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: all of which most of which are doing it for

665
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: their own intended gain. But you're getting recruited by all

666
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: these coaches. And so you set a thing out saying

667
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: like show the love state you. I'm coming on your

668
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: campus on Tuesday. And now all of a sudden, everybody's

669
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: sending you things. You got to come here, got to

670
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: come here, young man. What a decision you're gonna make.

671
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: It'll be the best thing that ever happened to you?

672
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 1: We need you here, and then they announce that that's

673
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: where they're going, and the Love just starts showering and

674
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: pouring in like you're in the middle of them, Onsoon,

675
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 1: and everybody's talking about how great you are and you're

676
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: your program changer, and they're doing cartwheels and you got podcast.

677
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: Guys are smoking cigars talking about how awesome it is that,

678
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: even though they're forty two years old, for whatever reason,

679
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 1: their day now has been made because of the decision

680
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: of a seventeen year old, and they're intoxicated by it,

681
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: as I would have been to. I'm not damning them

682
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: for it. I would have been too. I would have

683
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: loved that kind of attention. And then they make the

684
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: announcement and guess what, everybody's on to the next one.

685
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: That's great that we got Garrison, but what's Finch gonna do?

686
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: Everybody's got to find out what Finch's gonna do. And

687
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: eventually Garrison goes, wait a minute, what happened on the Love?

688
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: I was getting one hundred and fifty likes a day,

689
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: I was getting five thousand comments today and that's all

690
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: gone away, So guess what now? It's time to open

691
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: up my commitment. I want to thank the coaches at

692
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 1: State You, but I've decided to go ahead and reopen

693
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: my commitment. Please respect my thoughts in this process. Okay, Now,

694
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: everybody at State You is out with pitchforks. But man,

695
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: everybody at Tech You and the other schools, they're all

696
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: over you.

697
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: Now.

698
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: They are courting me a big time. Oh my gosh,

699
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: did you hear Sally got ditched at the problem And

700
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 1: I've always had the hots for So I'm going after

701
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: a big ti. They're all over it now, right, Rinse

702
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: and repeat the cycle. Transfer portal. Now I'm gonna go

703
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: to the transfer portal and everybody's gonna and I'm gonna

704
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: do the cap dance again, and I'm gonna go on

705
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: the All American Game broadcast and announce where I'm going.

706
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 1: And everybody's showing me the love. And I got people

707
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: making signs and T shirts and slogans about getting me there,

708
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: and they're intoxicated by it, Eddie. They are obsessed with it.

709
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: And it's a culture we created. It's a culture that

710
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: that we we could sit here and damn it all

711
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 1: we want, but we as a people in this country

712
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: built this up to these athletes that have completely delusional

713
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: thought as to their rank and their importance. And that's

714
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: why then when the music stops and the musical chairs

715
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: in the game of attention comes to an end, and

716
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: they're circling around that one last folding chair that still

717
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: has an opportunity for them to get a little bit

718
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: of spotlight even though they've now played their six years

719
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: at State, you, Tech, you and three other schools mixed

720
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: in between, and they got to do a cap dance

721
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: every time, and they got to feel the love. Their

722
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: eligibility now is expired, and where do you go from here?

723
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: I don't know that anybody has these big celebrations to

724
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: announce which agency it is that you're going to sell

725
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: insurance next year. I don't know that anybody has some

726
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: big recruiting thing to find out which pr firm it

727
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: is that you're going to go work for, or which

728
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: law firm, or whatever it might be, which grad school

729
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: you get into as a normal student that's now no

730
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: longer carrying a ball and getting all kinds of praise

731
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: and pomp and circumstance. So what's your one last gasp

732
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: that you can do? There's nowhere else for you to

733
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: turn in terms of your career until you post that

734
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: you've decided that you're going to go into the NFL

735
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: draft and submit your name. Please respect my decision, your decision.

736
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: It's like me on September the second, sending out a

737
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: post saying I've decided tomorrow that I'm going to enter

738
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: my fifty fourth year. Yeah, that's just naturally what happens.

739
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: But I want to make sure that everybody's wishing me

740
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: a happy birthday one last time or once again, because

741
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: I missed it for a year. And so what you

742
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: are seeing, Eddie, is a group of people, and a

743
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: group of young people that have become accustomed to believing

744
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: it's the norm to have things championed about them that

745
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: actually are just part of the natural process of life.

746
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: But every other process and step they've taken has been

747
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: showered upon them like they're the first to do it.

748
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: So therefore, when it comes time to where those kinds

749
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: of decisions come down to the last, they don't know

750
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: how to pivot away from it. It's that simple, right.

751
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: Eddie pointed out something last night that Matt Pater might

752
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: have aired in and I think he's right, and we'll

753
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 1: get into that next. What yesterday we were talking about

754
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: Indiana Purdue going into the game and one of the

755
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: strengths for Purdue that we discussed, and again, I don't know,

756
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but there is clearly

757
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: something going on internally with the Predue basketball team. I

758
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: don't know whether it's you know, I mean, those guys

759
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: have been around each other a lot, so you don't

760
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: think that it would be that all of a sudden

761
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: they decided they don't like each other. You know. One

762
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: of the things that is going to be a challenge

763
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: moving forward in college athletics is the nil you know what,

764
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: especially if you're a young person and everything that I

765
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: just talked about in terms of the adulation and attention

766
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: that you've become accustomed to. What happens when you are

767
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: a guy that is a good player, brings your lunch

768
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: pale every day, plays hard, wins a couple of games

769
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 1: for your team, and then you realize that another guy

770
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: on your roster who's in a slumper, is not playing well,

771
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: is getting three times the money that you are. That

772
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 1: has to take a toll at some point, it has

773
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: to compromise cohesiveness. But With all of that said, produce

774
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 1: strength that we talked about yesterday. Going into the game,

775
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: Indiana's advantage was produce inability to rotate over and collapse

776
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: on shooters and lead people open for three. And Purdue's

777
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: advantage was getting the ball inside and taking advantage on

778
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 1: the low post. And there was a stretch where Purdue

779
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the game when I think four

780
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: minutes without a score, but they got away from going

781
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: inside and they were relying on you know, Fletcher Lawyer.

782
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: Maybe they were trying to get Fletcher Lawyer going, I

783
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: don't know, but either way, they deviated from what it

784
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: is that they should have been doing throughout the course

785
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: of the game. And in addition to that, I thought

786
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: when they were reliant and the inside on Jacobson, I

787
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 1: thought they really dropped off because Indiana is not a

788
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: low block oriented team in any way, shape or form.

789
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: But they were able to get to the basket and

790
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: they were able to control the glass. More so when

791
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: Kluff and Kaufman and Ren both came out and Eddie

792
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 1: you noticed that too, right, Yeah, there.

793
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: Was like I think it was like fourteen minutes left

794
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 3: in the second half and they had just cut it

795
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 3: to six predue forty seven, forty one, and then they

796
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 3: pull out Trey coffin Ren, So you're only big on

797
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: the floor is Daniel Jacobson and you've got Braden Smith

798
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 3: and fordnch guys out there. I'm like, what are you doing?

799
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 3: Like you're making a run and now you're just going

800
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 3: to disrupt the flow of the offense by taking out

801
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 3: Trey Kaufman Ran. Because that two men game between Coffein

802
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 3: Ran and Braden Smith, you just simply couldn't stop it

803
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 3: in that second half, and next thing, you know, I

804
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 3: use back up by double figures because of the substitution

805
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 3: that Matt pained me. I was just it just shocked

806
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 3: me that he would make a move like that to

807
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 3: not have Oscar Cluff or Trey Coffman Wren on the

808
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: floor because Oscar Cluff is not Trey Coffman Wren. But

809
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 3: you can still get him on the block and he

810
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 3: can still score like he did a couple times last night,

811
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 3: and I just didn't think produde took advantage of it

812
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 3: as much as they should have.

813
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: By the way, what's your favorite Mellencam song?

814
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 3: I don't know.

815
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: We still have Diane We have tickets to give boy, right, yeah,

816
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: one pair, Yeah, Jack and Diane. But that's like the

817
00:47:55,239 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: very basic I know. Yeah, for me, it's check it out.

818
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: I've always liked check it Out. Authority song is a

819
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: good song too.

820
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

821
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: I saw yesterday he posted a video of him. He

822
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: was on a treadmill smoking a cigarette. Right said, he's

823
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: getting ready for the tour. He just can't. You can't

824
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: play the electric guitar in the freezing cold. He does

825
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: something to the guitar itself. I think we can safely

826
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: say that. And if you are Indiana or Purdue. If

827
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: you're Purdue, you can't go into assembly hall with your

828
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: number one advantage. And then to your point, Eddie, make

829
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 1: a substitution that takes away in the gates that advantage

830
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: right away. That you know what I mean that that's

831
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: that part there we can look back on and just

832
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: what's going on? Like you said from four non Blonds earlier,

833
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: what's going on?

834
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 2: Right?

835
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: Yeah? Did you say rab John's in the mix? Yes,

836
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: Jeff rab Johns get the EU side of things. We'll

837
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: get further into what this means last night and what

838
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: corners might have been turn for Indiana basketball. We'll do

839
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: it with Jeff rabjohnspeaks dot com.

840
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 4: Next, what.

841
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: Little bus to move? A little young mc right, go

842
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: to a party right by the way, Eddie have you?

843
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 1: This is becoming more and more visible within my life

844
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: and I'm still not used to it. Are you starting

845
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 1: to see and or get text messages whatever else from

846
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: the four six three area code? Yes? I automatically assume

847
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: it's like that Seinfeld episode where Elaine got a new

848
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: phone number and was no longer in the two one two.

849
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: If I get a four to six three number, I

850
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: just assume it's spam, right. I feel bad for the

851
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: four six three folk.

852
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 3: I almost assume any text I get from a number

853
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 3: I don't have a spam correct nowadays.

854
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: So that's fair. That's fair. I got one guy that

855
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: texts me all the time that alternates every other letter

856
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: between capital letters and small letters. What, Yeah, I just

857
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: automatically think that means he's psycho.

858
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 3: You know a couple of people that are like the

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Speaker 3: lowercase on the first word of the sentence, like you

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Speaker 3: do it. Sometimes I'm like, and then there's text where

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Speaker 3: you sent me its cap I'm like, Jake, what are

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Speaker 3: you doing here? Can we make up our mind?

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Speaker 1: I was an English major and I consider myself to

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Speaker 1: be very grammatically sound, just so you know, so please

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Speaker 1: point out next time I do you need to let

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Speaker 1: me know. Did you get a hold of Jeff Yes,

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Speaker 1: Jeff rab Johns joins us on the Java House Peelaport

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Speaker 1: water and root. There's your beverage. But jeffrabjohnspeaks dot com

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Speaker 1: last night Indiana their first signature win of the Darren

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Speaker 1: Davrees that's kind of redundant Darren Davrees era. And Jeff,

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Speaker 1: let's begin with this. I always appreciate your time. I

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Speaker 1: thought last night it wasn't a knock on Indiana per se,

878
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Speaker 1: just based on the kind of the way their schedules worked,

879
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Speaker 1: I guess. But you know they they needed a signature

880
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: win and a quad one win, if you will, and

881
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Speaker 1: they got it last night over Purdue. When you look

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Speaker 1: at that game, first and foremost, did they do anything

883
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Speaker 1: differently going into that game than what you have seen?

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Speaker 1: And the other opportunities will say, you know, Michigan or

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Speaker 1: Michigan State, whatever it might be to get one of

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Speaker 1: those squad one wins.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about different I would say better.

888
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Speaker 5: They've been shooting the ball incredibly well all season.

889
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Speaker 2: They're built to make threes. They did that.

890
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Speaker 5: You know, they shot forty percent from three in the

891
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 5: first half on eight makes, which is just really really

892
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Speaker 5: good against the Matt Painter coach defense. You know, they

893
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Speaker 5: averaged one point four points per possession in the first half,

894
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Speaker 5: and Purdue is allowing less than the point per possession,

895
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Speaker 5: so any of his offense is really good. But I

896
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Speaker 5: thought the things they did better really boxing app keeping

897
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Speaker 5: Purdue from getting on the offensive glass. You know, Purdue

898
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Speaker 5: is really good as a rebounding team. As a rebounding program,

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Speaker 5: They've got, you know, obviously tremendous size there, and you know,

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Speaker 5: Indiana did a good job from keeping that the size differential,

901
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Speaker 5: et cetera from being a big factor. You know, you

902
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Speaker 5: look at two things that really sort of tell you

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Speaker 5: the story. Usually on those things, second chance points and

904
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Speaker 5: then and then offensive rebounds and on second chance points

905
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Speaker 5: Purdue won, but it was just eleven to ten. So

906
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Speaker 5: Indiana lost that battle by only one point. You only

907
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Speaker 5: lose that battle to Purdue by one point. You did

908
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Speaker 5: your job. And then then you look at offensive rebounds

909
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Speaker 5: Purdue nine, Indiana six. You live with that differentially against

910
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Speaker 5: Purdue with their siyes every day of the week. So

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Speaker 5: I thought that those were the things that Indiana did better.

912
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Speaker 5: And then there were sequences where guys went that rebounds.

913
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Speaker 5: Tucker de Reeves going to getting ten boards was big.

914
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Speaker 5: Lamar Wilkerson going getting seven rebounds from the guard position

915
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Speaker 5: I thought was big, and we Bailey had some blockouts

916
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Speaker 5: where he didn't get the rebound. But there was one

917
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Speaker 5: time he took, you know, Jacobson, the seven point three guy,

918
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Speaker 5: and just stuck his hips into him and just drove him,

919
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Speaker 5: you know, out of the rebounding area. And he did that.

920
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Speaker 5: Rebailey did that a couple of times. So I just

921
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Speaker 5: think Indiana was better at just bringing some force to

922
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Speaker 5: rebounding situations. That that that to me, was the one

923
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Speaker 5: thing they did better. But I don't think they were

924
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Speaker 5: necessarily different. I just think they were better in key

925
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Speaker 5: areas that matter against Purdue.

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Speaker 1: You know, when I look back at the beginning of

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Speaker 1: the year to now, Jeff rab John's my guest from

928
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Speaker 1: peaks dot com. Of course, Jeff, when I look back

929
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Speaker 1: at Reed Bailey at the beginning of the year, I

930
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Speaker 1: thought that there were they used him and he was

931
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Speaker 1: much more active on the low block than what we

932
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Speaker 1: have seen of late. Now is uh is that a

933
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Speaker 1: a concerted schematic thing or is that a matchup thing?

934
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Speaker 1: Or is there no legitimacy to my observation?

935
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Speaker 2: Wait say that party again.

936
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Speaker 1: I felt like at the beginning of the year, Red

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Speaker 1: Bailey was a player that they were much more actively

938
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Speaker 1: involved with in getting him involved down in the low block.

939
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Speaker 1: And that now I mean, in other words, from an

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Speaker 1: offensive standpoint, And now they've gotten away from that and

941
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Speaker 1: his design is elsewhere as opposed to being somebody that

942
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Speaker 1: they're using as a like, say, a secondary offensive option.

943
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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm off base with that, But have they gone

944
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Speaker 1: away from a little bit using offensively read Bailey as

945
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Speaker 1: a focal point?

946
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they have.

947
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Speaker 5: They still want to use him, you know, high post,

948
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Speaker 5: high post extended up top of the key as a

949
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Speaker 5: facilitator because you know, I would contend passing is his

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Speaker 5: best skill. You know, he was a point forward for

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Speaker 5: the previous years of his college career, so that's really

952
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Speaker 5: his best skill. But they're not really asking him to

953
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Speaker 5: score a ton right now. He did a good job

954
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Speaker 5: on a couple of slip screens. He is really good

955
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Speaker 5: at that, and they like that component to his game.

956
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Speaker 5: But you know, last night he goes in there and

957
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Speaker 5: gets nine point You get nine points from Reid, You

958
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Speaker 5: do a good job. I think I think the biggest

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Speaker 5: storyline for IU over the last couple of games is

960
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Speaker 5: the emergence of Nick Dorn. You know, last night he

961
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Speaker 5: gets eighteen points. He's IU's second leading scorer behind the

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Speaker 5: mar Wilkers who got nineteen. Nick Doron goes six for

963
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Speaker 5: eleven from the field over all, four for nine from three.

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Speaker 5: You have a guy who's essentially your third third offensive

965
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Speaker 5: weapon behind the mar Walkers Ntuckey Derees. You have a

966
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Speaker 5: guy like that, he go get you eighteen points, go

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Speaker 5: four for nine from three against the team Mike Perier

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Speaker 5: right number twelve in the country. That's the potential development

969
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Speaker 5: and emergence of a third scorer. But he did it

970
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Speaker 5: when they went out to Rutgers. You know, he made

971
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Speaker 5: six threes out there. So his last two games he's

972
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Speaker 5: made ten threes in a Big ten road game and

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Speaker 5: then a whole game against the number twelve team in

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Speaker 5: the country. So Nick Dorn's emergence, his development, and I

975
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Speaker 5: think coaching staff has done a really good job of,

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Speaker 5: you know, working with Nick Doran as far as here's

977
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Speaker 5: you know, here's what your primary skills are, here's what.

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Speaker 2: You need to look for.

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Speaker 5: And Nick, you know, he missed the entire summer a

980
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Speaker 5: lot of the fall coming back from you know that

981
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Speaker 5: that that foot deal injury that he had. So when

982
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 5: he came back and first played, it was kind of like, Okay,

983
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 5: you're cleared to play, but you haven't played a lot.

984
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 5: And he hadn't played much at all really with this team,

985
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 5: so it took a little while just for him to

986
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 5: get whole conditioning back, which is normal, and then really

987
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 5: to sort of understand, you know, his teammates and just

988
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 5: to get some rhythm, just to get some in Indy

989
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 5: car terms, seat time, you know, and just really get

990
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 5: used to it. But I think Nick Doron's emergence and

991
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 5: the staff's development of Nick Dortons is kind of one

992
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 5: of the emerging stories for Indiana here in late January.

993
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: Look at Jeff going with the Indy carts terms. I

994
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: like it now, so I'm going to stick with that

995
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Speaker 1: theme here you ready, Rabbi. So Tucker Devreese, I.

996
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Speaker 2: Can't hang with you on Indy cars. I love that,

997
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 2: but there's no chance I can hang with you.

998
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,720
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I'm a moron, but I'm just around

999
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: it enough that I've got you know, you pick up

1000
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: a little bit. But over the course of the Indianapolis

1001
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: five hundred mile race, if you talk to a driver,

1002
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: they will say, yeah, it's funny. You know. If you

1003
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: make seven pit stops, then the air the time between

1004
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: stops is called a stint, right. Every driver has that

1005
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: area where they go, Yeah, I had a stint where

1006
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: the car just wasn't handling well and I just had

1007
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: to fight through it until things started to feel smooth again.

1008
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: It feels to me like Tucker to Rees has gone

1009
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: through a stint where the handling just wasn't there and

1010
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: things were a little bit off. And I thought last

1011
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: night that paid dividends because he started making contributions in

1012
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: ways other than simply being a pick and pop score,

1013
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Speaker 1: and I thought he was really big in terms of

1014
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: a couple of the proverbial, non box score type moments.

1015
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: What has been different for tuckertive rees, let's say, in

1016
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: the last month, versus what he has had to be

1017
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: over the course of his career as a score first guy.

1018
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 5: I think, you know, I think he's kind of I

1019
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 5: think he's been better on the boards. I think that's

1020
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 5: something that that you look at and you know, he's had,

1021
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 5: you know, multiple games here recently of double figure rebounds.

1022
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 5: That's big for Indiana because they're not going to go

1023
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 5: get rebounds with overwhelming size. They got to do it

1024
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 5: with boxing. Now, they got to do it with uh technique,

1025
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 5: they got to do it with just some of some aggression.

1026
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 5: And I think that's something that that that's big for

1027
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 5: for Tucker. You know, he has ten he had ten

1028
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Speaker 5: of Indiana's twenty two rebounds last night, excuse me, ten

1029
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 5: of their twenty two defensive rebounds. So obviously, you know,

1030
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 5: possessions aren't closed out until you get the defensive rebounds.

1031
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 5: So that's that's a big number. You get ten to

1032
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 5: twenty two, and I think, you know, he's still he's

1033
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 5: still a good passer. You know, he has three assists

1034
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 5: last night, so yeah, you know, nine points three for

1035
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 5: seven from three. He's still a threat to go off

1036
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 5: from three.

1037
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Speaker 2: At any point in time. You know, he's one of

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00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 2: those players. You know.

1039
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Speaker 5: The one of the new phrases is creates a lot

1040
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 5: of gravity, which means what the defense pays a lot

1041
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 5: of attention to him, and defenders go toward him. They

1042
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 5: know you want to try to be there on the cash,

1043
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 5: even a step or two behind the line. So he

1044
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 5: is the guy who draws a lot of gravity from

1045
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 5: the defense and that opens some things up. You know,

1046
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 5: there were some open threes that Nick Dorn got and

1047
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 5: I use a big win at Rutgers that you you know,

1048
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 5: you kind of rewind, hit pause, hit slow mo, and

1049
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 5: you can see two defenders stepping toward Tucker devrees and

1050
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 5: then all of a sudden, the ball swings and you

1051
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 5: get past pass and what happens Nick Thrn's opening the

1052
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Speaker 5: corner opposite.

1053
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Speaker 2: So and I think.

1054
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 5: Tucker really understands how much sometimes just his presence on

1055
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 5: the court, his movement, you know, he can draw defenders,

1056
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 5: and just by drawing defenders, he can create space for

1057
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 5: other guys. So I think that's that's something that's helpful.

1058
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 5: And then again his passing, you know, he's essentially.

1059
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Speaker 2: A power forward.

1060
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Speaker 5: You know, you get three four, five assists from a

1061
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 5: power forward, you you know, you get some pretty solid

1062
00:59:58,320 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 5: production in areas beyond school.

1063
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Speaker 1: Jeff, what the football team did? Jeffrab John's my guest

1064
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Speaker 1: Peaks dot Com. He's on the Joba House Peel and

1065
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: Port guest line. What the football team did, which was,

1066
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Speaker 1: you know, there are not enough superlatives we could say

1067
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Speaker 1: over a three hour show about what Kurt Signetti has done.

1068
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Speaker 1: It's well documented. But were we entering into an area

1069
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Speaker 1: where the basketball program was about to potentially fall victim

1070
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Speaker 1: from an interest standpoint for Indiana athletics? And I know

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01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: that's crazy to say, And I know that this is

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01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: a university and an athletic department that has with nil collectives,

1073
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: and you know, they've they've figured this out in the

1074
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: distribution and all of it, probably faster and better than

1075
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: most athletic programs have. But it seems to me, as

1076
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: somebody who went to Indiana and grew up on the

1077
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: north side of Indianapolis, that a lot of the friends

1078
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: that I have that are die hard Indiana sports fans,

1079
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: their energy, their time, their money, their attention span was

1080
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: so focused on football the last couple of months that

1081
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: it was coming at the cost of their investment to basketball.

1082
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: Tell me I'm wrong.

1083
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 5: I think that probably was true while IU was going

1084
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 5: on a historical magical football run. And I think when

1085
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 5: you do something as incredible as the VALUE football team did,

1086
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 5: it certainly is worthy of everyone's full time attention. You know,

1087
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 5: this is the first time in the history of American

1088
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 5: college sports that a program that had the most losses

1089
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 5: all time in that sport became national champion of that sport.

1090
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 5: It was absolutely deserving of everybody's attention.

1091
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 2: You know. There was a.

1092
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 5: Panel of sports analysts who voted it. I can't remember

1093
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 5: exactly what they called it, but like the the greatest

1094
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 5: underdog achievement or something like that in the history of

1095
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 5: sports globally. Had of some things that happened in European soccer,

1096
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 5: which is something that I'm not an expert in, so

1097
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 5: I'm not going to weigh in on that. But that's

1098
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 5: the level of which IU football's achievement was being discussed nationally.

1099
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 5: So I think yes, up until January nineteenth, twentieth a

1100
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,919
Speaker 5: lot of people were totally focused on IU football. Here's

1101
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 5: what's really interesting though, Okay, football team champions done celebrated,

1102
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 5: had the deal Memorial Stadium. Everybody got to see the trophy.

1103
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 5: What's the next thing that happens?

1104
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 2: Sake? IU plays Purdue.

1105
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 5: Assembly Hall was packed and it was rocket and it

1106
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 5: was loud, and you know, Trevor Anderschock and I got there,

1107
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 5: like I don't know, two hours and fifteen minutes before tip,

1108
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 5: just because of the weather. You want to make sure

1109
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 5: everything's good and the students are there at Wilkinson line

1110
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 5: or not. I'm like, Okay, this looks good for IU.

1111
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 5: And then forty minutes before tip, the entire lower bowl

1112
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 5: plus part of the balcony in the student section is full.

1113
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 5: And then all of a sudden, you know, gets to

1114
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 5: be tip. The place is full. You know, I'm down

1115
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 5: to the court, shootings and video of the football team

1116
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 5: get getting introduced, and you're like you look up and

1117
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 5: like I turned around, like man, balcony behind me full,

1118
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 5: look up, balcony across me full. And when then you

1119
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 5: get a window that fifteen to two run. That place

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01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 5: was loud, Jake, it was loud. It was louder than

1121
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 5: I would say least two three years, maybe a couple

1122
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 5: early trace Jackson Davis games.

1123
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 2: It got that loud.

1124
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 5: But it was loud, and so it's like, okay, hoo's

1125
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 5: your nation still there that they just decided, Hey, they

1126
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 5: wanted to focus on the football team's historical run. But okay,

1127
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 5: that's done and they're right back there at basketball. Assembly

1128
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 5: Hall was Assembly Hall of old last night when I

1129
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 5: knocked off produced.

1130
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: You know when you mentioned because I was curious the

1131
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: camera angles I couldn't tell on television about the balconies,

1132
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,800
Speaker 1: and I know the balcony seats, Jeff. You know, it's

1133
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: well documented they're not the best seats in the house.

1134
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: But I do kind of like it, right, And you're saying,

1135
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 1: so last night they were all filled. Correct, it was

1136
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: packed it.

1137
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 2: It was packed there, and it was loud. You know.

1138
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 5: It wasn't just okay, you know they're butts in seats, Okay, fine, cool, No,

1139
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 5: it was that people were into it. They were rocking,

1140
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 5: you know, Like I said, when I went on that

1141
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 5: fifteen to two runs, it was loud and a couple

1142
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 5: of uh you know.

1143
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 2: Some of those big threes.

1144
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 5: Man, that place was warn't everybody's up, everybody's cheer and

1145
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 5: everybody's yelling.

1146
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 2: It was as simply haul of old last night.

1147
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 5: And I even had some some friends who have been

1148
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:42,439
Speaker 5: longtime season ticket holders, I mean forty plus years who

1149
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 5: texted me things like.

1150
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 2: Haven't heard that in a while.

1151
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 5: That was the hall being the hall, things like that,

1152
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 5: and it was it was rocking.

1153
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 1: So, yeah, when was the last time you felt it

1154
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: that way? Like you know what I mean? And I'm

1155
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: not saying specific game, but like, you know, when when's

1156
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,919
Speaker 1: the last time that you sat there and you looked

1157
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: and you thought to yourself, this feels like blank. It

1158
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: was when, man, we.

1159
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 2: Probably got to go back to at least.

1160
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 5: Probably TRACE's junior year, Tray Shaston Davis his junior year,

1161
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,440
Speaker 5: so probably three or four years, okay, you know where

1162
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 5: it really felt like that. There were some big crowds,

1163
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 5: but it didn't have this much just raucous energy and

1164
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 5: people were just jacked. I mean they were from the

1165
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 5: get go. You know, Nick Dort hits that shot to start.

1166
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 2: The game, and then Tucky de Reeves.

1167
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 5: Come down bang at three, and from the get go

1168
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 5: people were like yeah, and they were loud, and they

1169
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 5: were aggressive, and it was it was Assembly Hall being Assembly.

1170
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: Hall with Jeff rab John's my guest, we're talking about

1171
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: Indiana Purdue last night. You know that that energy, that

1172
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: from the crowd standpoint, and kind of that turn of

1173
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: the page. I felt like last night was officially the

1174
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: turn of the page from football to basketball, because to

1175
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: your point, like football had this amazing run and then

1176
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: you honor them before the game. It was almost like

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01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: that was Indiana's way of saying, like, hey, guys, one

1178
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: last chance, give it one last round of applause please

1179
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 1: for the football team, and then boom, now our feet.

1180
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 1: You know, here's what we're turning our attention to. How

1181
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 1: much was that needed do you think for Darren Devrees?

1182
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 1: And I don't mean that he was in any way,

1183
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: shape or form like questioning anything, but but just for

1184
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: him to finally get that taste of assembly hauls rocking,

1185
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: You're getting innovation, Your guys are being re embraced or

1186
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 1: embraced by this program. How symbolic was all of it?

1187
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 5: Oh? I think it was important, you know, And I

1188
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 5: even told them, the coaches, who I know, I'm like this,

1189
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 5: this is the first time you guys really selfim all.

1190
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 2: Trust me.

1191
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 5: You know, when you meet linden Wood or Case State

1192
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 5: or whatever, you know, you know there's a good crowd

1193
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 5: up in United Center. When they beat Marquette and scored

1194
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 5: one hundred and all, that that was nice. It's good

1195
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 5: and it's and it's far better. An average Indiana crowded

1196
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 5: assembly hall is better than probably.

1197
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 2: Ninety percent of college basketball.

1198
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 5: I think that's one thing that people sometimes forget to

1199
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 5: keep in mind. But I thought it was important. I

1200
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 5: thought it was important for the players really to feel it.

1201
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 5: I thought it was important for the coaching staff to really,

1202
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 5: you know, understand this is what this place is like,

1203
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 5: this is what this team base is like. I think

1204
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 5: it was an important win for the season. You know,

1205
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 5: Indiana's metrics, you know, going into the game, I think

1206
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 5: they were like thirty fifth in the net which matters

1207
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 5: on selection Sunday, they were like twenty sixth and bart Torvik,

1208
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 5: which is on the team sheets this year for the

1209
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 5: selection committee. So their metrics were solid, but they needed

1210
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 5: a big win. They needed something that like really really

1211
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 5: jumps down on the resume and you knock off the

1212
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 5: number twelve team in the country. It's a quad one

1213
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 5: win it's a big win. So from the resume standpoint,

1214
01:07:55,440 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 5: it was good. From the just just for the sake

1215
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:03,439
Speaker 5: of the sand base, just to make them give them

1216
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 5: something to grab on to and say, yeah, this is

1217
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:08,959
Speaker 5: our team, this is what we wanted to see.

1218
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 2: It was big.

1219
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 5: But I think for the players and coach, especially some

1220
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 5: of the folks who are new, it was big. I mean, obviously,

1221
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 5: you know Drew Adams sistant coach, you know, you know,

1222
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 5: he's from Bloomington, He's been there before, He's felt it.

1223
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 5: Kenny Johnson was at IU before with Victori Oaldipo and

1224
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 5: that crew, he's felt it. But for a lot of

1225
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 5: the coaches and certainly for the players who are new,

1226
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 5: they never really felt it before, and they felt it

1227
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 5: last night, no question. I think it was big for

1228
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 5: them to understand, not understand. It's one thing to understand something,

1229
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 5: another thing to feel it correct right last night, they

1230
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,679
Speaker 5: felt it. It was not just oh, we understand the history,

1231
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 5: we see the manners.

1232
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 2: It was holy crap. And even when Connor Enwright like not.

1233
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 5: Done talking post game, like you did't even see it

1234
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 5: on his face, those a little bit like, ah, this

1235
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 5: place is for real.

1236
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 2: I mean, you can just see it on his face.

1237
01:08:56,760 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: Okay, last thing, Jeff, Let's say you and I are

1238
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: going to go or you and you know buddy, whoever

1239
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 1: it may be. You're gonna pick three big ten environments

1240
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 1: and I'm taking Mackie and I'm taking assembly haul out

1241
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: of it. Okay, including I don't know if you've been

1242
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: how many to the new big ten stops you've been to.

1243
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: I'll just say college basketball in general, Okay, You've got

1244
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 1: to go to a game and do the whole weekend,

1245
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 1: meaning you're going to go there. You're going to go

1246
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: to the place that has like the best you know,

1247
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: bar or restaurant or just entertainment scene that is a

1248
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: true college town. It's got a college you know, it's

1249
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: got its own Kirkwood, it's got its own area that's fun.

1250
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 1: You're going to go into it the legendary establishment where

1251
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 1: it's got its own specialized pizza or whatever it might be.

1252
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 1: Then you're going to go to the game and you

1253
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 1: want to soak in the atmosphere and the crowd's going

1254
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 1: to be rockets and there's going to be a good

1255
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 1: environment in history and everything else. Give me the three

1256
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: places Jeff rab Johnson has been in his travels in

1257
01:09:54,280 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: college basketball that most meet the criteria of those three spots.

1258
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 2: Oh wow, let's see.

1259
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 5: Well, okay, you said take take Assembly Hall and take Mackie.

1260
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 1: Correct, So Indiana produer off the board.

1261
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 5: Okay, you got to put Cameron Indoor Stadium in there.

1262
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 2: Okay.

1263
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 5: It's just especially like, you know, we we at good seats.

1264
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 5: I mean to be let's be honest, we're really fortunate.

1265
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 5: There's media, folks, and to sit on the court. You

1266
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 5: sit on the court of Duke. Those students are like

1267
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 5: when they lean over and they're doing all that stuff

1268
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 5: with their hands, you know, it's like you reach up and.

1269
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 2: Be like, dude, move your hands right.

1270
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 1: Okay, not being jerks.

1271
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 2: But like it is.

1272
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 5: You know, I know a lot of people around here

1273
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 5: don't like dude, Okay, that's cool. But I'm just telling you,

1274
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 5: when you're there, it's cool. That's certainly got to be

1275
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 5: on the list for me. Let's see, trying to think

1276
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 5: the pit in New Mexico is cool.

1277
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: Okay, I've been there. Yeah, that's cool. I'm with that. Now.

1278
01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 1: Here's the thing does does New Mexico though? Is they're

1279
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,600
Speaker 1: like a like, is there a true campus feel? Like

1280
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 1: college bars, seeing restaurants, that kind of thing.

1281
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, that that's why I was hesitating, like I don't

1282
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 5: remember what. Uh, I'm gonna go and throw you two

1283
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 5: low key ones. But that I would put on there.

1284
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 5: Wisconsin's pretty cool. Uh there there, there's there's all kinds

1285
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 5: of bars around there. That's a city, not of town. Obviously,

1286
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 5: it's Madison at State Cancel. If you can walk from

1287
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 5: the Cole Center to a bunch of bars, it's got

1288
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 5: a Wisconsin vibe to it. You know, they're you know,

1289
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 5: they embrace their Wisconsin. We we you know, we we

1290
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 5: eat the food we eat, we drink the beer we drink.

1291
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:42,599
Speaker 5: We have a good time. They're sort of like there's

1292
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 5: no pretense up there. So that's kind of a cool place.

1293
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 5: Hill and Coliseu and of Iowa State. It's pretty cool.

1294
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 1: Okay, that's cool.

1295
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 5: That's cool, especially when they're good and they play somebody good.

1296
01:11:57,640 --> 01:11:59,719
Speaker 5: It's madisonmbly Hall, it's not Macy.

1297
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 2: It's pretty cool. I would put that up there.

1298
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 5: And woman's off the beaten path and people are going

1299
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 5: to think I'm crazy, But Nebraska's not bad when they're

1300
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 5: good and those people are.

1301
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 1: Into cool town man I'll tell you what, Lincoln's a

1302
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,719
Speaker 1: cool that. There's a cool vibe for sure, right around

1303
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 1: the athletic complex at Lincoln.

1304
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 5: And it's different. That's a little more like a gamebridge

1305
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 5: field House. It's downtown, you know, it's not really campus VI,

1306
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 5: but it's downtown vibe.

1307
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 2: But it's a little light game bridge.

1308
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 5: You can walk around, you know, you can pregame with

1309
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 5: your buddies or whatever. Then you get everybody walks over

1310
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 5: the game and afterwards everybody's back out at the bars

1311
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,640
Speaker 5: or grabbing a by teeth or whatever. You know, Nebraska's

1312
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,560
Speaker 5: it's cooler than you would think, which is kind of

1313
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 5: surprising because people would probably go think Nebraska basketball, who

1314
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 5: cares well when they're good in that place is full.

1315
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:49,639
Speaker 2: It's actually not bad. Eddy.

1316
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:53,560
Speaker 1: That makes you Nebraska, Right, you're cooler than people think that.

1317
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 3: Right, that's the first time you've ever complimented me.

1318
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: Thank you, Jake backhanded. I'll be it, Jeff wood Brish

1319
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 1: at the time. As always, man, continue, you know, we're

1320
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 1: we're we basically turned the page later than years most

1321
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,759
Speaker 1: but we've turned the page now back into basketball mode

1322
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 1: for Indiana. So look forward to your coverage at peaks

1323
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 1: dot Com and talking to you throughout.

1324
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 5: Absolutely, man, you guys take care of Thanks.

1325
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 1: Jeff Rabb, John's joining us on the Java House, Peel

1326
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:22,640
Speaker 1: and poor guest Line. Allen Field House at Kansas is

1327
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 1: up there. I hate to admit it, but it's true.

1328
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 3: Present Center.

1329
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: President Center's got to be up there, you know. Of

1330
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 1: the schools in the Big Ten, including even the new ones,

1331
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 1: that's one of the Believe it or not, I've never

1332
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 1: been on the Michigan State campus.

1333
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 3: I have, indeed, Yeah, is it cool?

1334
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 1: You Indie?

1335
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 3: Back when I was in college, the women's team was

1336
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 3: going to Lake Superior State, which is the tip top

1337
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:49,639
Speaker 3: of Michigan, and on the way up we stopped at

1338
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,919
Speaker 3: the President Center and they practiced there. Sounds pretty cool.

1339
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 2: I mean.

1340
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: And how long is the Bresident Gosh, the Bresilent Center

1341
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 1: is probably thirty years old now, right, probably? Yeah, I

1342
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 1: still think of it as you know, it's better for

1343
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen years. No, it's been around a while.

1344
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 3: It's very similar to MACKI with how it's designed.

1345
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 1: You know, you can see that not a bad seat

1346
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:08,759
Speaker 1: in the house, right.

1347
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:11,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's all like an oval or not

1348
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 3: an oval. But like a sphere and so like the

1349
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 3: noise is just coming straight down onto the court.

1350
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 1: You know who else is a lot like Maki And

1351
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 1: this is I'm not saying in any way their basketball program,

1352
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 1: but the arena itself Wyoming is exactly like Maki. Literally

1353
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 1: it looks like I wonder if it was designed by

1354
01:14:27,479 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 1: the same group, because you walk in, if you didn't

1355
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:33,480
Speaker 1: know any different, you would think you're a Macurina identical

1356
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 1: to Makurina. Do you like Illinois? Have you been to Illinois?

1357
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 3: Have not been to the other the fake Assembly Hall?

1358
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 3: That's right, was Roupp arena mentioned?

1359
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 1: I don't think Rupp is an interesting one. Rupp is

1360
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 1: interesting to me because, like you always hear Kentucky fans

1361
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 1: get on there holier than now rant about how they

1362
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 1: don't storm the court of Kentucky. They don't court storm

1363
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 1: at Kentucky. They're better than that.

1364
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 3: They're a surprising to you. I A didn't court storm last.

1365
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:05,719
Speaker 1: Night, no, because I mean Indiana has court storm before

1366
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: I realized. But beating Purdue in a Big Ten game

1367
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 1: that was a massive win, Number one, you kind of

1368
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 1: don't want to get Purdue that satisfaction, right.

1369
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 3: Right, It's not like they were you know, number one

1370
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 3: and number two either number two.

1371
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 1: They also you know they play every year, right, So

1372
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 1: it just doesn't have the same feel of like beating

1373
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 1: a Kentucky at home. But uh, Rupperena. Though everybody always says,

1374
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know here here, actually they

1375
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 1: don't even do the you liss assess Bentley boy or

1376
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 1: Ulysses Bentley the fourth voice. It's more of a I'm

1377
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 1: gonna do the thirst and how the third But in

1378
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 1: Kentucky it'd have to be it'd be junior, right, you know.

1379
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 1: Now here, my man, we just we're just a little

1380
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:48,719
Speaker 1: bit more classy.

1381
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 3: What okay? Why we hawk two in over there?

1382
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: Jake, Come on, they're dipping okay, although they probably swallowed

1383
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: the dip spit in Kentucky. But rupp Aerena. I went

1384
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:03,759
Speaker 1: to a game there a couple of years ago. Tom Spaulding,

1385
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:06,839
Speaker 1: really good dude, got tired of me bashing on Kentucky.

1386
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: So he calls me and he goes, we're going to

1387
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:09,719
Speaker 1: go to a game. So we went and saw Kentucky

1388
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 1: play Auburn and it was all I mean, it was great,

1389
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:13,719
Speaker 1: the people were were cool, I mean, it was great

1390
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 1: and I hate Kentucky, right, but the Rupp Arena is

1391
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:19,640
Speaker 1: like attached to a mall and it's just it's downtown,

1392
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 1: but it's kind of cavernous, so there's no intimacy to

1393
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 1: it at all because you're you're pretty far from the floor,

1394
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 1: and the floor itself has a pretty open space. So

1395
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 1: the court rush at Rupp Arena it's as much about

1396
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: their holier than now as it is the fact that

1397
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 1: it's just not logistically possible to do. And it just

1398
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 1: kind of feels like you're going into a downtown going

1399
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 1: to a game and then going home. There's not like

1400
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 1: the intimacy of a college. You know, Allen Fieldhouse is

1401
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 1: on a campus, Hinkle field House is on the campus,

1402
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,799
Speaker 1: Assembly Halls on the outskirts up but on the campus,

1403
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:57,080
Speaker 1: and Rupp is just kind of in downtown Lexington. Last night,

1404
01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:02,679
Speaker 1: I did watch a college basketball game. I watched I'm

1405
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: saying after Indiana Purdue late. I watched a game and

1406
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:10,639
Speaker 1: I saw something that ties to Indiana that's been done before,

1407
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 1: but it still was an anomaly and something I think

1408
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 1: Indiana should be proud of in college basketball. I'll explain next.

1409
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 1: Sunshine is out. Sunshine in Bloomington. For certain, Indiana the

1410
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 1: win last night over Purdue from the boiler side of things,

1411
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 1: something they got to figure out. You know, I don't

1412
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: know whether it's, like I said, lawyer getting involved, whether

1413
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:43,479
Speaker 1: it's figuring out how Trey Kaufman, Wren and Oscar Kluff

1414
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 1: just how you're going to work that down low combo

1415
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 1: and still be able to rotate out and garden the perimeter.

1416
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 1: A number of things for Purdue, Eddie, I would like

1417
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 1: before we get to my college basketball observation, not having

1418
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 1: to do with Indiana Purdue, I'd like for you to

1419
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 1: look at the window and let me know how we

1420
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 1: stand here on the Great Meltdown, because that's a good

1421
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 1: question for those that were not listening to the program

1422
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: on Monday. We had a very abbreviated show Monday because

1423
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 1: of the Pacers Game Pacers and Atlanta and Pacers in

1424
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 1: action tonight taking on the Bowls at Gamebridge Field House

1425
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 1: this evening, seven o'clock on this radio station. But when

1426
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 1: they plowed the parking lot here, you know that creates

1427
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 1: those little snow you know, basically we've got the Rockies,

1428
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 1: if you will, you have snow mountains, and so I

1429
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 1: asked Eddie, what will the date be when there is

1430
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 1: no trace of any snow out there and or ice

1431
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 1: and everything is melted? I said, February sixteenth. Eddie, you said,

1432
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: you said seventeenth. Okay, seventeenth, and wonder and you're saying

1433
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 1: it now. How confident are you in as you look out?

1434
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 1: Where do we stand here?

1435
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 3: I'd say a little bit has been melted for sure.

1436
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 3: It'll help in the incoming days, like next week. Especially.

1437
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 3: Have you looked at the forecast for next week?

1438
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 1: No, I listen. I hope I'm wrong, because I hope

1439
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: that you're gonna tell me it's gonna be seventy degree.

1440
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 3: So starting on Sunday, you've got twenty three Monday, twenty seven,

1441
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 3: twenty eight, Tuesday, thirty one on Wednesday, thirty on Thursday,

1442
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 3: thirty eight, and sunny on Friday. And there's supposed to

1443
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 3: be some sunshine for most of those days.

1444
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 1: Okay, we need now is there any snow forecasting? Not anymore?

1445
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 1: I'd like to know this. JMV is off today, right?

1446
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:37,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, your best friend is interesting.

1447
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 1: Derek Schultz is in for him.

1448
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 3: He's in here already, He's already here.

1449
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 1: What like what in the World. Does he know? Did

1450
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 1: you tell him three o'clock?

1451
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:49,440
Speaker 3: I don't have to tell him anything. I'm not affiliated

1452
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 3: with that show. I mean that's Todd Meyer. Is he

1453
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 3: invantor is he infiltrating your studio?

1454
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:59,679
Speaker 1: Eric's just skulking around. He's just hanging like he eas

1455
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 1: It's like some sort of a bad vision. I looked

1456
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 1: at the window and he's just staring in like a leech. Yes,

1457
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:08,080
Speaker 1: well that's I mean, been that way with me for

1458
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 1: fourteen years. So last night, the game's over, I watch it.

1459
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 1: You know, it was big win for Niana. I'm flipping

1460
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 1: the channels. I you know, it's late. I'm not tired yet.

1461
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, what's on the Australian Open. I do

1462
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 1: like the Australian Open. I have not I do love

1463
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 1: high level tennis. I've not followed much of the Australian Open.

1464
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 3: Americans were doing pretty well and then.

1465
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 1: Was off broke a racket, right, Yeah, she did not

1466
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 1: have a great performance, to say the least. I catch

1467
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 1: a college basketball game between Grand Canyon and Nevada and Reno.

1468
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:53,759
Speaker 1: Really Mountain West action going into the game. Nevada fourteen

1469
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 1: and seven. Grand Canyon thirteen and seven. Now this was

1470
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 1: significant because I believe even though it's happened before. Matter

1471
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:13,560
Speaker 1: of fact, it happened years ago when New Mexico played Valpereiso.

1472
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 1: But I looked it up. I thought, I wonder if

1473
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 1: this is the repeat of a lone feat and Mark

1474
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 1: Monteeth would be the only person I could think of off

1475
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 1: the top of my head that would know. Chris May

1476
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 1: would probably know the answer to this. But my research,

1477
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:38,799
Speaker 1: which basically indicates scrolling through the folds of my brain, Okay,

1478
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: going off memory.

1479
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 3: No, how long did that take?

1480
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 2: You know?

1481
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this or not. But

1482
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 1: the more folds you have in your brain, the more

1483
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 1: intelligent you are.

1484
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 3: How many folds do you have?

1485
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 1: Oh? If you look at the fold lines of my brain,

1486
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 1: it literally looks like a nineteen seventy one Beijing phone

1487
01:21:56,760 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 1: book tons, I mean all kinds of just stacks and

1488
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 1: layers and layers and light.

1489
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 3: Let me right, nineteen seventy one Beijing.

1490
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 1: I mean lots of lots of folds in there, lots

1491
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 1: of wrinkles, lots of crinkles. But I was watching it

1492
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 1: and it was a fabulous game. New meaor excuse me.

1493
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:21,000
Speaker 1: Nevada was down five with like forty seconds to go.

1494
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 1: They had the ball with a half a second left

1495
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 1: and it was a three point game. Got fouled shooting

1496
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 1: a three and the kid had all three free throws

1497
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 1: with a half second left. Win in overtime, to which

1498
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 1: Nevada one. Derek has walked in real quick Derek Schultz

1499
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:36,640
Speaker 1: early version of the Crossover here brought to you by

1500
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 1: Love Heating an air.

1501
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:39,959
Speaker 3: Which, oh, he's got to move your stuff after.

1502
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 1: So, just so you know, the first off, let me

1503
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:48,839
Speaker 1: just say this. I had my bag and my jacket

1504
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 1: sitting in the chair next to me. Yeah. We are

1505
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:54,640
Speaker 1: under very specific instruction corporately, and I'm not kidding you

1506
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 1: to not elevate those where they are visible on the camera.

1507
01:22:57,640 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 1: So thank you for Oh sorry, where is the camera show?

1508
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 4: Oh it's right there.

1509
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 1: Light. No, No, you're fine where you were It's a

1510
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:09,599
Speaker 1: rotating camera. Why are you here? You're not on until three?

1511
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 1: Why are you I do something called show prep.

1512
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:15,000
Speaker 6: I know that that's something that is foreign to you,

1513
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 6: but I do something called show prep. So I come

1514
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 6: to I also have to take some more calls because

1515
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 6: I'm still on the clock until three. O'clock and they

1516
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 6: need me at my day jobs.

1517
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all right. Last night, Derek, I will give

1518
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 1: you the trivia question. I'm putting you on the spot. Ooh.

1519
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 1: As I was flipping the channels after the Indiana Purdue game,

1520
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 1: which I'm sure you will talk plenty about today, I

1521
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 1: saw the Nevada Grand Canyon game and I watched the

1522
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 1: end of it. It was a great game. Nevada one. Why

1523
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 1: is this guy in sports talk radio in Indianapolis talking

1524
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 1: about this? I will answer that question by saying this.

1525
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 1: I had to look it up. It is not the

1526
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 1: first time that this has happened, because it happened when

1527
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 1: New Mexico played Valparaiso years ago. So it's a repeat feat. However,

1528
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 1: a repeat feat of something it's only that has not

1529
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:02,680
Speaker 1: been on elsewhere. What took place last night, as it

1530
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 1: relates to Indiana basketball, that has never been done before

1531
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:10,840
Speaker 1: in this installment, which we were seeing a repeat of

1532
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 1: between Nevada and Grand Canyon.

1533
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 6: Two Indiana high school basketball players as head coaches, more specifically,

1534
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 6: two All star Indiana All Stars, more specifically two All

1535
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:30,639
Speaker 6: stars that were NBA draft picks from Indiana.

1536
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 1: You're you're hitting everything, but what else. It is the

1537
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 1: first time that two Indiana mister basketballs have played each other. Okay,

1538
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 1: not the first time because they've coached each other, but

1539
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 1: that sense that is the only combo of Indiana mister

1540
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 1: basketball is to have faced each other in a in

1541
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 1: a Division one college basketball game. Yeah, that's pretty cool.

1542
01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: And Nevada and Steve Alford to thank you, Eddie, Steve

1543
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 1: Alford one last night and then I looked up Grand Canyon. Yeah,

1544
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 1: now you know you're now in the college. The business

1545
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:02,759
Speaker 1: of knowing college Grand Canyon is this is just an

1546
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 1: online school, right, It's an online university with a basketball arena.

1547
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:08,640
Speaker 4: I think it was, and then it didn't become an

1548
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 4: actual like.

1549
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 1: The enrollment of Grand Canyon University thirty five hundred kids, Eddie,

1550
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 1: would you like to know the enrollment of Grand or

1551
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 1: guest the enrollment of Grand Canyon University seven thousand. Strangely enough,

1552
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 1: one of the kids that goes to Grand Canyon eats

1553
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 1: hot dogs out of a flashlight every day, as brought

1554
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 1: to him by the Brady kids. Grand Canyon University. What

1555
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:37,559
Speaker 1: was your guest on the enrollment? Eddies? Seven thousand? Half

1556
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 1: that for me thirty five hundred. Do you say seventy

1557
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 1: nine thousand students?

1558
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

1559
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 1: Their art rival I think is University of Phoenix.

1560
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 6: Now, if I'm not mistaken, Dan Marley was their first coach,

1561
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 6: right when they think came a Division one program.

1562
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 1: Well, if you go to Phoenix, you've under danced before.

1563
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 1: If you go to Phoenix, the Phoenix Airport has adds

1564
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 1: all over the place for Grand Canyon University.

1565
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 4: They got money to spend apparently.

1566
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:02,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they got seventy nine thousand people. Yes, so wow. Yeah,

1567
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:05,879
Speaker 1: what's lined up on your big show that you're preparing

1568
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:06,599
Speaker 1: for now? Yeah?

1569
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 6: So obviously, Well we'll talk about IU and Purdue and

1570
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 6: what it meant for both teams because I think it

1571
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 6: was sort of a maybe a turning point for both

1572
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 6: Purdue and Indiana. And we'll do so Galen Clavio, who

1573
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:18,720
Speaker 6: you know, is going to come on the show. We'll

1574
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 6: focus more on probably you know, closing the book on

1575
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 6: IU football, because Galen was a big part of that

1576
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 6: and he was one of the true, the only true

1577
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 6: IU football fans that I knew in my life for

1578
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 6: so many years. He's going to join us. Kevin Bone

1579
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:32,280
Speaker 6: is going to come on as he does weekly at

1580
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 6: four o'clock. And by the way, was he on the

1581
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 6: morning show this morning? Because he went to South Bend

1582
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 6: last night? Right, I thought he was on the Morning show.

1583
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1584
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, him and Rake do that little like Moonshine run

1585
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:44,679
Speaker 6: up there every year and they lost in overtime, didn't

1586
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 6: they correct?

1587
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, overtime? So what time do they get back?

1588
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 6: That's even with the bypass now through Kocomo, that's still

1589
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 6: you know where he is to Midtown it's two and

1590
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 6: a half hours and that's where Kevin is too, right

1591
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 6: over there. No, there's I don't think there is a

1592
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 6: Midtown South. Then my parents from many two.

1593
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:02,040
Speaker 1: And a half they would have gotten back at like

1594
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 1: what I am right?

1595
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:05,720
Speaker 6: And then Patrick Talty Indiana sports Core is going to

1596
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 6: join us at five o'clock. We'll talk about trying to

1597
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 6: recruit the NFL draft here.

1598
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 1: Do you agree with my theory on that? Right about

1599
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 1: the Speedway about you don't want to give you credit,

1600
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 1: but I'm right.

1601
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:17,639
Speaker 6: They don't want to do it at the Speedway because

1602
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 6: they're afraid that their fake numbers correct will be found

1603
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 6: out to be complete falsehoods. Is that what you're saying

1604
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 6: that's your conspiracy theory. Yes, I do think that it's

1605
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:29,599
Speaker 6: ridiculous to think that eight hundred thousand people.

1606
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 4: Were in Detroit, Michigan over a weekend.

1607
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:33,960
Speaker 6: I think that that is I think the people that

1608
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:36,480
Speaker 6: say that have no clue how many people.

1609
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 1: With all I've ever said, right, I mean they get

1610
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,720
Speaker 1: what would you guess when they show the aerials of

1611
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:46,120
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft Day one, what would you guess.

1612
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 7: The crowd is one hundred and fifty k? So I

1613
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 7: think that's even really high. I think it's eighty, which

1614
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 7: is still a very impressive number. So why lie about it?

1615
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:58,599
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm just thinking the aerials, so the entire space.

1616
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 7: But you're right, one hundred and fifty is a for

1617
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 7: the entire space.

1618
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 1: I mean a sold out Lucas Oil or Lucas Oil

1619
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 1: Stadium is what sixty five? Yeah, so you're saying double.

1620
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you take double that amount of people and

1621
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:10,959
Speaker 1: spill them out into downtown.

1622
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:14,480
Speaker 6: I thought the Green Bay numbers were much more realistic.

1623
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 6: I think they said it was three hundred thousand over

1624
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 6: the course of three days. But even for a little

1625
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 6: tiny Green Bay. But it gives me faith, Jake. I mean,

1626
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 6: it's Pittsburgh this year, which is basically the Midwest. I know,

1627
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 6: Pretsburg's kind of weird, but I mean eventually everybody's get

1628
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 6: Green Bay, Detroit, Cleveland, you know, Chicago. You've had all

1629
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 6: these Midwestern cities already hosted. I mean to me, it's

1630
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 6: a fate to complete that it comes to Indy.

1631
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean hard to argue that. Did you say

1632
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:38,599
Speaker 1: chaps in? By the way, Eddie? Two fifteen okay to

1633
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 1: fifteen for Mike Chapel, and there's a reason we're going

1634
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 1: to have him on. And one guy that relates again,

1635
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 1: Bill Pulliam was one. There's another player that relates somewhat

1636
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 1: to the history of the Colts speaking out or shedding

1637
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:52,760
Speaker 1: light on the situation yesterday with Bill Belichick. We'll get

1638
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:56,719
Speaker 1: into that next. What, Eddie, do you have a rooting

1639
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 1: interest in the Super Bowl?

1640
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 3: Not really? I do not know.

1641
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:09,080
Speaker 1: Give me the five teams in the National Football League

1642
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:13,760
Speaker 1: that you have no opinion on, like literally you're just like, yeah,

1643
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 1: I don't like them, more dislike they're just there.

1644
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll start with the Denver Broncos. That's wine. Okay,

1645
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:28,640
Speaker 3: I think you have to go with the Carolina Panthers. Okay,

1646
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 3: quite frankly, you can almost loopen in the entire NFC

1647
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 3: South probably right, yeah, Washington okay, Miami okay, both New

1648
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 3: York teams. Okay, I know that's more than five.

1649
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 1: But by the way, the Baltimore Ravens have a new

1650
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:53,679
Speaker 1: head coach, right.

1651
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, they hired Jesse Mentor like last week.

1652
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, not not Baltimore. I'm sorry, my apologies there.

1653
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 1: Jesse mentioned, by the way, Kruppeland has a new head

1654
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 1: coach and they went to Baltimore to get him.

1655
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 3: Yes, Todd Munkin, yes, sorry, former offensive coordinator for the

1656
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 3: Baltimore Ravens, and he was with the Georgia Bulldogs before

1657
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 3: that as well.

1658
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:19,799
Speaker 1: So Cleveland. That leaves two on the board, Las Vegas

1659
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:20,560
Speaker 1: and Arizona.

1660
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:20,800
Speaker 2: Right.

1661
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 3: You would have to assume, considering that they haven't made

1662
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 3: their announcements, Jake, that there's some sort of tie with Seattle,

1663
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:33,679
Speaker 3: potentially maybe Gary Kubiak for one of those jobs.

1664
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 1: I could see Kubiak being somebody that would be of interest,

1665
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 1: especially and well, Arizona may be the case two if

1666
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 1: you're starting over at quarterback, right.

1667
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1668
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 1: The reason I bring it up, you know, I think

1669
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:50,480
Speaker 1: my rooting interest of the Super Bowl is the Seahawks.

1670
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 1: I've just always kind of liked him. I don't really

1671
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 1: know why. I've just always kind of liked him, but

1672
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 1: there is an element of just the blandness about the

1673
01:30:57,360 --> 01:31:00,680
Speaker 1: New England Patriots. Yeah, and the reason for that. I

1674
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:02,880
Speaker 1: got nothing against Mike Rabel, I got nothing against Drake

1675
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:07,800
Speaker 1: May Robert Kraft probably a little different story. I did

1676
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:12,680
Speaker 1: not realize when this story came out that Bill Belichick

1677
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 1: will not be inducted into the Hall of Fame in

1678
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 1: his first go round.

1679
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1680
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 1: Then it became this sidebar story and this curiosity from

1681
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people of well, what does that mean

1682
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 1: in terms of who didn't vote for him? Who is

1683
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:33,000
Speaker 1: responsible for him not getting in? And I go back

1684
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 1: to I always thought first ballot Hall of Famer was

1685
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:43,840
Speaker 1: an honor that really only mattered in baseball. Not to

1686
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 1: say it's not an honor in any sport, but it

1687
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:52,800
Speaker 1: was a rare air, the upper coreptile of the upper courtile.

1688
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:57,760
Speaker 1: That's rare air. It was the rare air if you

1689
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 1: were a first ballot Baseball Hall of Fame, and in

1690
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 1: basketball and in football it doesn't seem to have that

1691
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:09,640
Speaker 1: same level of clout, but apparently it does because it was.

1692
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:13,360
Speaker 1: And yes, I guess there is simply the surprise factor

1693
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:15,800
Speaker 1: of how could Belichick?

1694
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 2: Now?

1695
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:20,559
Speaker 1: I mean, what more could he have done? He's won

1696
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:23,439
Speaker 1: more Super Bowls than any coach in history. He had

1697
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:27,600
Speaker 1: his team prepared in so many different ways, his defenses

1698
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 1: and the schemes he came up with. But I also

1699
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:37,880
Speaker 1: believe there are three things in play.

1700
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 3: By the way, I meant to say Clint Kubiak, not Gary.

1701
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:44,120
Speaker 1: Where's Gary Kubiak?

1702
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:48,000
Speaker 3: I don't think he's coaching anymore because of health reasons.

1703
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 1: Okay, but a quarterback whisper. That's why when you said that,

1704
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, that would make sense. Yeah, But either way,

1705
01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:03,080
Speaker 1: unto Belichick, the thing about him a brilliant coach and

1706
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:05,920
Speaker 1: the most accomplished and decorated coach in the history of

1707
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:13,640
Speaker 1: the National Football League, but number one, the way that

1708
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:16,920
Speaker 1: you treat people helps or haunt you in the long run.

1709
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 1: And many of the writers probably I mean, he was

1710
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:27,040
Speaker 1: intentionally difficult. My understanding is he's like a super fun

1711
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:31,640
Speaker 1: dude behind closed doors, but he was intentionally difficult, and

1712
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 1: so I could see is it petty, is it unprofessional perhaps,

1713
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:37,400
Speaker 1: but there is an element of human nature of people

1714
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:40,519
Speaker 1: that may say, Okay, well you made it difficult on

1715
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 1: me when I was trying to cover games and just

1716
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:43,559
Speaker 1: do my job. I'm going to make it difficult on

1717
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 1: you to get in. Then you also have the cheating scandals,

1718
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:54,360
Speaker 1: spygate to flake Gate, all of those things. There are

1719
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:58,200
Speaker 1: those that are going to consider that the same way

1720
01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 1: that they taking a consideration the steroids with Kinseko and

1721
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:06,360
Speaker 1: Maguire and Bonds and everybody else, and we've seen with that.

1722
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:09,160
Speaker 1: You always are going to have those people that say, like,

1723
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 1: for example, yep, and I'm not going to say who

1724
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 1: or what, but I'm a voter for the Indianapolis Motor

1725
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:24,400
Speaker 1: Speedway Motorsports Hall of Fame, and there is one driver

1726
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 1: who is very accomplished that I will never vote for

1727
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 1: because there is something that took place that I feel

1728
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 1: defies being into the Hall of Fame. And there may

1729
01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:41,880
Speaker 1: be those that believe that. For Belichick, that's petty. I

1730
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:45,120
Speaker 1: think mine's a little more sound. I'm not talking about

1731
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:48,720
Speaker 1: personal stuff. I'm talking about within the sport itself. And

1732
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 1: there are those that may feel that the cheating scandals

1733
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:56,600
Speaker 1: compromise his the validity of his accomplishments, and then the

1734
01:34:56,680 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 1: last thing being, and you mentioned it earlier, Eddie his

1735
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 1: record without time, I'm brady. And perhaps the thing that

1736
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:07,160
Speaker 1: actually there's one other thing, one other thing hanging out

1737
01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:09,759
Speaker 1: there that I've not heard people mention that took place

1738
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:12,640
Speaker 1: that might most have hurt him. I'll tell you what

1739
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:14,880
Speaker 1: that is. We'll get back into Indiana. Purdue and chap

1740
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:20,120
Speaker 1: joins us in fifteen. Mike Chapel joining us about fifteen

1741
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:22,960
Speaker 1: minutes from now. Shed a little light on Hall of

1742
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:25,320
Speaker 1: Fame voting and just how it works. We'll talk Super

1743
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:30,040
Speaker 1: Bowl as well, and that with Matt Verde RAMSI. Bill

1744
01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:33,000
Speaker 1: Pollian's become an epicenter on this story with Bill Belichick,

1745
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:40,160
Speaker 1: only because the initial word was that Pollion was the

1746
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:43,920
Speaker 1: catalyst that basically was going around to people saying, hey,

1747
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:47,639
Speaker 1: we know that Belichick will get into the Hall of Fame,

1748
01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 1: but let's make sure it's not the first ballot because

1749
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:53,760
Speaker 1: of all of the Spygate, the flake Gate and cheating scandals,

1750
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:58,759
Speaker 1: and initial word was that Pollion was the one leading

1751
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:02,879
Speaker 1: that charge. Poullian didn't interview last night with Matt Verdam

1752
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 1: where he said that's totally untrue. I absolutely voted for him.

1753
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:11,080
Speaker 1: Then later, when asked about it by ESPN, Pollion said,

1754
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 1: I truthfully can't remember, and I understand that people are

1755
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 1: going to see that and say, like, what in the world. Look,

1756
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:27,559
Speaker 1: two things that come into play here. Number one, I mean,

1757
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:30,439
Speaker 1: you know, Pollion is an older man, although by all

1758
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:32,160
Speaker 1: account when we've had him on the show, and he's

1759
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:33,719
Speaker 1: been great, and we've had him on, but it's probably

1760
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:38,160
Speaker 1: been a year since then a very sound and I

1761
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:39,760
Speaker 1: can tell you as somebody that is a Hall of

1762
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:41,839
Speaker 1: Fame voter, and something it does get hard to remember

1763
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:44,120
Speaker 1: because because the votes are done like it wasn't like

1764
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:46,320
Speaker 1: they voted a week ago. I mean, it's been a while,

1765
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:49,360
Speaker 1: and so I could see I was like, you know

1766
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:51,240
Speaker 1: what I thought I did, but maybe I didn't. I

1767
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:54,240
Speaker 1: could see how he would give that kind of an answer.

1768
01:36:54,920 --> 01:37:01,360
Speaker 1: But the other thing that I think factors in Number one,

1769
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:04,439
Speaker 1: I did not realize that Robert Kraft and Belichick have

1770
01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:07,800
Speaker 1: a very icy relationship right now, and that there was

1771
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:10,320
Speaker 1: the thought amongst a lot of people, I think of

1772
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:13,559
Speaker 1: I'll go with one versus the other, but not both.

1773
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:20,360
Speaker 1: And Craft, I think even with his own indiscretions. Craft

1774
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:24,960
Speaker 1: probably is more liked within the football circles. He was

1775
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:28,240
Speaker 1: a big part of the you know, the end of

1776
01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:31,840
Speaker 1: the potential workstoppage back a couple of years ago, et cetera.

1777
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:39,479
Speaker 1: I think one of the most underappreciated or talked about

1778
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:43,800
Speaker 1: aspects of, if you will, like a dent in the

1779
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 1: armor of the Belichick regime, is Tom Brady winning a

1780
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:54,599
Speaker 1: Super Bowl in Tampa. Because during you know, during the

1781
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 1: time that those two worked so well together and won

1782
01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:04,599
Speaker 1: so many games together, you always heard the discussion of

1783
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:08,559
Speaker 1: which is it. Is it the system the coach put

1784
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:13,200
Speaker 1: in place, or is it the quarterback? And two things

1785
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:17,840
Speaker 1: have happened since that I think have been a factor here,

1786
01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:24,599
Speaker 1: the first being Brady going to Tampa and winning. And

1787
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:28,360
Speaker 1: Tampa wasn't terrible, but I don't know that anybody really

1788
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:30,880
Speaker 1: thought they were going to win the Super Bowl. And

1789
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:33,360
Speaker 1: by him going down there, that's when you're like, good lord,

1790
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:42,200
Speaker 1: maybe it is the quarterback. For me, it's been in

1791
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:46,519
Speaker 1: the last year as a broadcaster. I'm not a Tom

1792
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:49,000
Speaker 1: Brady fan. I don't dislike him, but I'm not a

1793
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:51,840
Speaker 1: fan either. I've always been kind of neutral on him,

1794
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:55,479
Speaker 1: and I covered a ton of games that he played

1795
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:59,519
Speaker 1: in and went into press conferences he was in and

1796
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 1: et ce uh. But some of the things that he

1797
01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:05,800
Speaker 1: has pointed out now, and this is not to say

1798
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:09,120
Speaker 1: that other quarterbacks that are analysts can't point these things out,

1799
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:13,559
Speaker 1: but I don't hear them do so little things like

1800
01:39:14,479 --> 01:39:18,840
Speaker 1: that game that they were just doing he did the

1801
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 1: Denver and New England AFC Championship game? Correct? Am I

1802
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 1: wrong in that?

1803
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:27,439
Speaker 3: Tom Brady?

1804
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:27,840
Speaker 1: Yes?

1805
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 5: Uh?

1806
01:39:29,080 --> 01:39:29,600
Speaker 3: Yes?

1807
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:33,040
Speaker 1: Or what what game? Somebody helped me out? What game

1808
01:39:33,120 --> 01:39:36,960
Speaker 1: was I watching that he was doing recently? And they

1809
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:38,839
Speaker 1: were talking about the wind.

1810
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:43,400
Speaker 3: I can't remember, well it was it was Philly in

1811
01:39:43,439 --> 01:39:44,240
Speaker 3: San Francisco.

1812
01:39:44,360 --> 01:39:46,800
Speaker 1: Okay, that's it. You're right, that's exactly what it was.

1813
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:49,400
Speaker 1: And they were talking about the weather and the wind,

1814
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:53,040
Speaker 1: and he did a demonstration where he took the football

1815
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 1: and he's like, see, here's the thing. When you're throwing

1816
01:39:55,560 --> 01:40:00,479
Speaker 1: into like a tailwind, you know you have to account

1817
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:02,400
Speaker 1: for that in your velocity in the football, and so

1818
01:40:02,439 --> 01:40:05,759
Speaker 1: therefore you throw it more at this angle than this angle.

1819
01:40:05,800 --> 01:40:08,320
Speaker 1: And he's showing the direction of where the nose of

1820
01:40:08,360 --> 01:40:11,120
Speaker 1: the football needs to be upon release point and et cetera.

1821
01:40:14,040 --> 01:40:17,400
Speaker 1: And while other quarterbacks Tony Romo or Ryan Fitzpatrick or

1822
01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:20,240
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner or whatever it be, while other quarterbacks that

1823
01:40:20,280 --> 01:40:25,519
Speaker 1: are analysts can opine in those areas, the nuance of

1824
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:29,439
Speaker 1: something so finite for Tom Brady to not just know

1825
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:32,879
Speaker 1: of and know that he had to do as a quarterback,

1826
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 1: but also as a broadcaster to know that that's exactly

1827
01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:39,280
Speaker 1: what it is that people want to hear about, that

1828
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:44,680
Speaker 1: sort of attention to detail. I'm like, man, that that

1829
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:52,080
Speaker 1: is literally in your own stratosphere level of understanding and

1830
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:55,400
Speaker 1: et cetera. And like I said, maybe every quarterback knows

1831
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:56,960
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, but they don't share it if

1832
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:59,680
Speaker 1: they do. And I think a little bit of that

1833
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:04,200
Speaker 1: all Brady's still being so, even maybe more so in

1834
01:41:04,240 --> 01:41:07,160
Speaker 1: the public conscience in terms of his football brilliance. Yeah,

1835
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:10,000
Speaker 1: probably comes at the price of Belichick's brilliance as well.

1836
01:41:10,040 --> 01:41:11,920
Speaker 3: I have to give Tom Brady the broadcaster a lot

1837
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:14,240
Speaker 3: of credit too, because your number one was not good,

1838
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:19,640
Speaker 3: Like totally agree. He wasn't entertaining, he wasn't insightful. It

1839
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 3: was very you know, passe and basic stuff that he

1840
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:26,840
Speaker 3: was spewing out in like this year. It has been

1841
01:41:26,840 --> 01:41:28,280
Speaker 3: a totally different dude.

1842
01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:29,120
Speaker 1: Completely agree.

1843
01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:31,439
Speaker 3: He's been much more entertaining and I think he is

1844
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:35,439
Speaker 3: now the best analyst that is on any of the.

1845
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:39,400
Speaker 1: Networks, I would agree. Now, the other side of the

1846
01:41:39,439 --> 01:41:41,880
Speaker 1: coin would be Tony Romo, who when Tony Romo was

1847
01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:44,599
Speaker 1: first doing it, it was like, oh my gosh, this guy,

1848
01:41:45,400 --> 01:41:50,040
Speaker 1: this is unbelievable. And now Romo sounded the last game

1849
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:51,479
Speaker 1: that he did and I think actually he might have

1850
01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:52,920
Speaker 1: been the one that was on the AFC title game.

1851
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:56,120
Speaker 1: But but Romo sounded like he like they took caffeine

1852
01:41:56,120 --> 01:41:59,680
Speaker 1: away from him. Literally, I was like, is he sedated?

1853
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:02,800
Speaker 1: Know he had? I know, he said he was sick

1854
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 1: two weeks ago. Okay, maybe that's what it was. When

1855
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:09,040
Speaker 1: he first was doing it, Romo he would break down.

1856
01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:11,120
Speaker 1: I mean literally every play. He was calling out plays

1857
01:42:11,160 --> 01:42:14,320
Speaker 1: before they were executing him right. And then I wondered

1858
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:17,160
Speaker 1: if in the pre production stuff, if teams didn't start

1859
01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 1: becoming closer to the vest of letting him know what

1860
01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:23,439
Speaker 1: they were anticipating doing, because he was just calling it

1861
01:42:23,479 --> 01:42:28,240
Speaker 1: all out. But Romo is like eggnog when you first

1862
01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:30,519
Speaker 1: take that first Sipy, I guess this is great, But

1863
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:32,400
Speaker 1: when you get to the point you've had enough of it,

1864
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:35,639
Speaker 1: You're like, Okay, I'm enough. It's just at that point

1865
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:39,719
Speaker 1: you're just kind of you know, last night Indiana Purdue.

1866
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:45,440
Speaker 1: Big win for Indiana. They needed a signature win. Indiana

1867
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:47,599
Speaker 1: needed a quad one win, and they got it last

1868
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:51,960
Speaker 1: night in what was an electric atmosphere assembly Hall. Kudos

1869
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:54,120
Speaker 1: to the fans that made it down and braved the

1870
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:57,000
Speaker 1: elements and the road conditions and getting home late and

1871
01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:02,000
Speaker 1: et cetera. Indiana was It was not as if Indiana

1872
01:43:02,040 --> 01:43:05,920
Speaker 1: came out and looked like this unbeatable juggernaut. They played

1873
01:43:06,040 --> 01:43:08,519
Speaker 1: very very well. I'm not taking anything away from Indiana

1874
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:11,000
Speaker 1: at all. And I really like Darren Devrees and I

1875
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:13,760
Speaker 1: think he's going to be a solid coach for them.

1876
01:43:14,280 --> 01:43:16,200
Speaker 1: He has a roster that he basically had to put

1877
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:19,800
Speaker 1: together at the eleventh hour, and it looks to me

1878
01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:24,720
Speaker 1: like they are indeed figuring some things out. I thought

1879
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:26,800
Speaker 1: they were a little too reliant. We talked about it

1880
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:29,200
Speaker 1: with Tucker tove Rees early in the year of where

1881
01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:31,360
Speaker 1: it looked like he just had green light and now

1882
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:34,240
Speaker 1: they're using him. I thought Jeff rab John said it

1883
01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:37,200
Speaker 1: earlier an excellent term and he said he's a gravity

1884
01:43:37,240 --> 01:43:40,240
Speaker 1: guy because when the ball goes to him, it pulls

1885
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:43,720
Speaker 1: everybody down towards that and that frees up elsewhere. And

1886
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, they were able to, you know, Dorn was

1887
01:43:47,120 --> 01:43:48,800
Speaker 1: able to hit some shots when they were able to

1888
01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:52,200
Speaker 1: then reverse over quickly and because they pulled away from there.

1889
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:55,960
Speaker 1: But the one thing from a gravity standpoint where Indiana

1890
01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:59,599
Speaker 1: really took advantage was they knew going into it that

1891
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:03,000
Speaker 1: Purdue has struggled in guarding the three. And part of

1892
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:05,559
Speaker 1: that is because when you are so reliant on your

1893
01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:09,559
Speaker 1: low post pieces and you've got Kaupman, w Rehn and

1894
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:12,360
Speaker 1: Klup down there, you know, and Fletcher Lawyer is not

1895
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:15,040
Speaker 1: a great defender, so you're not getting a lot of help.

1896
01:44:15,080 --> 01:44:16,680
Speaker 1: You're not getting a lot of guys coming, you know,

1897
01:44:17,479 --> 01:44:20,880
Speaker 1: rushing out to defend the outside shot. And Indiana took

1898
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:24,000
Speaker 1: advantage of that. I'm not saying that Indiana last night

1899
01:44:24,200 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 1: was you know that there was not a two thousand

1900
01:44:26,360 --> 01:44:29,479
Speaker 1: and two Kent State Regional Finals. Jared Odell and Tom

1901
01:44:29,479 --> 01:44:33,080
Speaker 1: Coverdill just hit another three in Dane Fife performance and

1902
01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:34,400
Speaker 1: Kyle Hornsby.

1903
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:34,640
Speaker 2: But.

1904
01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:39,000
Speaker 1: They they were able to hit big shots when they

1905
01:44:39,080 --> 01:44:41,960
Speaker 1: needed to and get open threes when they needed them,

1906
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:46,080
Speaker 1: and I thought Purdue went away Treykaupman Rehnn was very good,

1907
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:49,760
Speaker 1: but they didn't go enough to establishing the low block,

1908
01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:52,000
Speaker 1: especially in the first half, with that allowed them to

1909
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:56,320
Speaker 1: get down and Eddie. There just looks to be something

1910
01:44:56,439 --> 01:44:59,479
Speaker 1: going on with the Purdue basketball team.

1911
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:02,479
Speaker 3: Agre and also Jake. You have to remember eighteen days

1912
01:45:02,520 --> 01:45:07,280
Speaker 3: ago this IU team was hosting Nebraska at Assembly Hall

1913
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:11,200
Speaker 3: and they were up sixteen in the second half. So

1914
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:14,320
Speaker 3: like the blueprint was there, Like we've seen them in moments,

1915
01:45:14,360 --> 01:45:16,200
Speaker 3: look like they can compete with some of the best

1916
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:19,120
Speaker 3: teams in college basketball. The problem is they just hadn't

1917
01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:22,240
Speaker 3: put together a full forty minutes. Now last night wasn't

1918
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:25,720
Speaker 3: forty It was like thirty seven. Because the last two

1919
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:28,320
Speaker 3: to three minutes of that game, they were getting on

1920
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:30,200
Speaker 3: the edge of're like, oh, or they're gonna hold onto this,

1921
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:32,160
Speaker 3: and they miss a couple of front ends on one

1922
01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:34,679
Speaker 3: and one and leaving the door wide open for Purdue,

1923
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:37,800
Speaker 3: and then the probably the least expected guy to hit

1924
01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:39,599
Speaker 3: a three to kind of seal the game for them

1925
01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:42,799
Speaker 3: there at the end ends up doing it. In Connor inright.

1926
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:45,600
Speaker 3: But on the produce side, Jake, We're talking about this

1927
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:48,040
Speaker 3: earlier during one of the breaks. Like you look at

1928
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:50,519
Speaker 3: that Purdue team from last year and you look at

1929
01:45:50,520 --> 01:45:52,120
Speaker 3: that team and look at the team from this year,

1930
01:45:53,240 --> 01:45:56,240
Speaker 3: there's not much of a difference, right, Like they struggle

1931
01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:58,639
Speaker 3: to make shots on a night to night basis, if

1932
01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:01,479
Speaker 3: Fletcher Lawyer's not hitting, they don't really have anyone else

1933
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:02,120
Speaker 3: they can go.

1934
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:06,200
Speaker 1: To and listen. I really like Fletcher Lawyer and when

1935
01:46:06,280 --> 01:46:08,760
Speaker 1: he is, when he's got his feel, and I do

1936
01:46:08,840 --> 01:46:10,840
Speaker 1: believe in March he's going to have his feel. I do.

1937
01:46:11,920 --> 01:46:14,679
Speaker 1: But when he's got his feel, he's as good as anybody. However,

1938
01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:17,960
Speaker 1: last night he was three to ten from three point range.

1939
01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:19,840
Speaker 1: I think, or excuse me, three or ten from the floor,

1940
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:21,400
Speaker 1: and I think two a nine from three point range.

1941
01:46:22,240 --> 01:46:25,600
Speaker 1: If Fletcher Lawyer is not hitting outside shots with regularity,

1942
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:29,320
Speaker 1: then you become hard pressed to find areas where he

1943
01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:33,680
Speaker 1: is making solid contribution for you because he is a

1944
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:38,040
Speaker 1: liability defensively, and because he's a liability defensively, when you

1945
01:46:38,040 --> 01:46:41,400
Speaker 1: have those two block, those two pillars on the low block,

1946
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:43,760
Speaker 1: you're just not getting enough guys that can come out

1947
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:47,240
Speaker 1: and guard in the perimeter, and you know with it.

1948
01:46:47,320 --> 01:46:50,760
Speaker 1: While it is wonderful that Purdue has brought everyone back,

1949
01:46:52,360 --> 01:46:55,360
Speaker 1: I worry about this for Matt Painter and Purdue. I do.

1950
01:46:55,479 --> 01:46:59,200
Speaker 1: I worry about what I'm about to say. I think

1951
01:46:59,200 --> 01:47:00,760
Speaker 1: you made a very, very good and I think it

1952
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:03,400
Speaker 1: was off air comparison earlier Eddie when we were talking

1953
01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:08,280
Speaker 1: about Clemson football, because when the portal and nil became

1954
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:10,920
Speaker 1: a thing, Dablo Sweeney was like, I'm not going there.

1955
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna That's just not what I'm about. And

1956
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:19,360
Speaker 1: I understand and appreciate that conviction. But at the same time,

1957
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:24,679
Speaker 1: the reality is that is today's college athletics. And I'm

1958
01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:27,400
Speaker 1: not saying Purdue doesn't do nil and doesn't do portal.

1959
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:29,719
Speaker 1: I mean, crying out loud. Oscar Club's been a huge

1960
01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:31,519
Speaker 1: part of what they do, and they have other pieces

1961
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:34,120
Speaker 1: that over the years they've gotten good play from that

1962
01:47:34,160 --> 01:47:39,240
Speaker 1: have accentuated their roster. But with the while it's great

1963
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:42,639
Speaker 1: to bring guys back and not get totally swept up

1964
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:45,719
Speaker 1: in getting players that are going to be portal guys

1965
01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:47,600
Speaker 1: and entering the portal and testing the water and that

1966
01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:51,519
Speaker 1: sort of thing, the reality is it is a part

1967
01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:55,400
Speaker 1: of today. And in addition to that, when you have

1968
01:47:55,560 --> 01:47:58,120
Speaker 1: guys that are sticking around, one would assume it's because

1969
01:47:58,160 --> 01:48:02,120
Speaker 1: you are facilitating for them some nil deal of some sort,

1970
01:48:02,680 --> 01:48:05,280
Speaker 1: and eventually that gets out of what this player is making.

1971
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:08,639
Speaker 1: This is true everywhere. I'm not just saying to Purdue,

1972
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:13,320
Speaker 1: but that team last night for Purdue. Somebody else mentioned

1973
01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:14,519
Speaker 1: it to me, and I thought it was a very

1974
01:48:14,520 --> 01:48:18,160
Speaker 1: good point. You can't rule out the possibility of a

1975
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:23,960
Speaker 1: chemistry issue that's taking place because of money. I mean,

1976
01:48:24,240 --> 01:48:27,000
Speaker 1: money is in the workplace. You always have in the

1977
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:28,680
Speaker 1: workplace people that are like, wait a minute. You find

1978
01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:30,880
Speaker 1: out what somebody's making and you're like, how are they

1979
01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:32,760
Speaker 1: making more than I am? I do this? I do that.

1980
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:37,680
Speaker 1: Whatever marriages, you know, money is always a huge aspect

1981
01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:40,479
Speaker 1: of when people have marital issues. I mean, money can

1982
01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:45,240
Speaker 1: be the ultimate divider. It can. I have no idea,

1983
01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:47,439
Speaker 1: and it would be irresponsible to me to sit here

1984
01:48:47,479 --> 01:48:50,160
Speaker 1: and say that's the problem with Purdue. I have no

1985
01:48:50,240 --> 01:48:54,280
Speaker 1: idea if that's the case. All I know is that

1986
01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:59,600
Speaker 1: there is definitely the appearance that there are some chemistry

1987
01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:03,680
Speaker 1: issues within the Purdue basketball locker room. And last night

1988
01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:06,920
Speaker 1: I just did not think when they needed it with regularity,

1989
01:49:07,320 --> 01:49:09,400
Speaker 1: that they looked in sync with one another. And that

1990
01:49:09,400 --> 01:49:12,160
Speaker 1: could be that Fletcher Lawyer is the piston that's simply

1991
01:49:12,200 --> 01:49:14,559
Speaker 1: misfiring right now and that's dragging down the engine. That's

1992
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:17,679
Speaker 1: also a possibility. But joining us now in the Java

1993
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:19,920
Speaker 1: House Peelaport guest line, he of course a regular guest

1994
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:23,439
Speaker 1: on the program from CBS four and w XI in

1995
01:49:23,479 --> 01:49:26,680
Speaker 1: Fox fifty nine. Mike Chapple joining us in chap you

1996
01:49:26,720 --> 01:49:28,920
Speaker 1: are a Hall of Fame football voter? Correct?

1997
01:49:29,640 --> 01:49:30,080
Speaker 2: Correct?

1998
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:33,120
Speaker 1: Okay? I needed and I know this will shock you

1999
01:49:33,160 --> 01:49:36,560
Speaker 1: to know that I get very easily confused by things. Okay,

2000
01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:41,200
Speaker 1: but let's go hear me out here on a couple

2001
01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:45,840
Speaker 1: of areas of clarification. Sure I knew going into and

2002
01:49:45,880 --> 01:49:48,080
Speaker 1: I don't remember when these things get released. I think

2003
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:50,200
Speaker 1: it was a couple of months ago where I saw,

2004
01:49:50,320 --> 01:49:53,599
Speaker 1: for example, that Reggie Wayne and Adam Minitari are both

2005
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:55,920
Speaker 1: finalists for this year's Hall of Fame Correct?

2006
01:49:56,680 --> 01:49:57,120
Speaker 8: Correct?

2007
01:49:57,160 --> 01:50:02,320
Speaker 1: Okay? Is that the same are the Is that the

2008
01:50:02,360 --> 01:50:05,720
Speaker 1: same finalist list that included Bill Belichick?

2009
01:50:08,439 --> 01:50:12,360
Speaker 8: No, The way it works is there are and we

2010
01:50:12,439 --> 01:50:16,680
Speaker 8: had our meeting two weeks ago. Whatever, there are fifteen

2011
01:50:17,120 --> 01:50:23,760
Speaker 8: Modern era finalists Reggie and Military and Eli Manning and

2012
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:25,360
Speaker 8: Drew Brees and blah blah.

2013
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:27,120
Speaker 2: And then there were five.

2014
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:34,439
Speaker 8: In a different group of seniors coaches contributors, and that

2015
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:41,760
Speaker 8: was Bill Belichick and Robert Craft, Kenny Anderson, Else Greenwood,

2016
01:50:41,960 --> 01:50:45,880
Speaker 8: and Roger Craig. So those are voted on.

2017
01:50:46,160 --> 01:50:50,719
Speaker 1: Separately, Okay, and so and how many ultimately get in.

2018
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:57,519
Speaker 8: A minimum of three Modern era, a maximum of five?

2019
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:02,639
Speaker 8: And I'll be I'm any ignorance on the seniors, Okay,

2020
01:51:02,720 --> 01:51:05,040
Speaker 8: I think I think a maximum of three get in.

2021
01:51:05,080 --> 01:51:05,920
Speaker 8: We put three.

2022
01:51:06,120 --> 01:51:12,080
Speaker 1: So my question is this, Bill Belichick's inclusion in this

2023
01:51:12,240 --> 01:51:16,560
Speaker 1: year's Hall of Fame has no factor on Reggie Wayne's possibility.

2024
01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:20,280
Speaker 8: Correct, And that's what people need to understand. I saw

2025
01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:24,000
Speaker 8: where Belichick has come out and said he didn't make it.

2026
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:25,800
Speaker 8: It can't be like, well, how do you put in

2027
01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:28,960
Speaker 8: Reggie Wayne over Bill Belichick?

2028
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:29,679
Speaker 2: That's not the case.

2029
01:51:29,720 --> 01:51:31,639
Speaker 8: How do you put in Drew Brees? That's not the case.

2030
01:51:31,920 --> 01:51:35,759
Speaker 1: So so basically, okay, so they so, in other words,

2031
01:51:37,240 --> 01:51:41,120
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. To get into the Hall of Fame,

2032
01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:44,920
Speaker 1: there are two lanes in which there is a traffic jam.

2033
01:51:45,080 --> 01:51:48,080
Speaker 1: And Bill Belichick was in one lane and Reggie Wayne

2034
01:51:48,160 --> 01:51:51,360
Speaker 1: is in a totally different lane, and who gets waved

2035
01:51:51,439 --> 01:51:54,840
Speaker 1: through from the lane that Bill Belichick is in has

2036
01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:57,280
Speaker 1: no factor in how the traffic moves and the lane

2037
01:51:57,280 --> 01:52:00,200
Speaker 1: that Reggie Wayne is currently in. Correct.

2038
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:03,320
Speaker 8: I hope people realize that it's they're too different. They're

2039
01:52:03,400 --> 01:52:06,720
Speaker 8: voted on two different Okay, one does not impact the other.

2040
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:10,240
Speaker 1: Okay, So the group in which Reggie Wayne is a part,

2041
01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:14,280
Speaker 1: along with Adam Military, that voting has taken place, or

2042
01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:17,080
Speaker 1: simply the meeting has taken place where everybody's case has

2043
01:52:17,120 --> 01:52:17,519
Speaker 1: been heard.

2044
01:52:18,320 --> 01:52:21,639
Speaker 8: Now the voting is done, we don't voted.

2045
01:52:22,240 --> 01:52:25,840
Speaker 1: And so let me ask you this. When the voting

2046
01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:30,160
Speaker 1: is done, are you privy as a voter to knowing

2047
01:52:30,240 --> 01:52:31,680
Speaker 1: the voting totals.

2048
01:52:32,120 --> 01:52:34,200
Speaker 2: No, we used to for the most part.

2049
01:52:34,280 --> 01:52:40,160
Speaker 8: Now they've changed it. The selection for modern era, it

2050
01:52:40,280 --> 01:52:44,559
Speaker 8: starts at fifteen, we cut it to ten. We cut

2051
01:52:44,600 --> 01:52:49,160
Speaker 8: it to seven, seven finalists, and then we vote on

2052
01:52:49,320 --> 01:52:52,639
Speaker 8: five of the seven guys.

2053
01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:55,599
Speaker 1: And you are or are not allowed to say who

2054
01:52:55,640 --> 01:52:56,400
Speaker 1: those seven are.

2055
01:52:57,200 --> 01:52:58,679
Speaker 2: Well, probably not, I.

2056
01:52:58,600 --> 01:53:03,000
Speaker 8: Know, but I I don't know, So I'm not gonna risk.

2057
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:09,400
Speaker 1: Itting understood, Okay, So and then and then and.

2058
01:53:09,320 --> 01:53:14,000
Speaker 8: Then on the other ones, the five seniors contributors. Uh

2059
01:53:14,520 --> 01:53:17,080
Speaker 8: the five of them are discussed and then we vote

2060
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:20,680
Speaker 8: on three. So we vote on three of the five.

2061
01:53:21,439 --> 01:53:24,839
Speaker 1: And uh so it is the same group of voters.

2062
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:26,879
Speaker 1: Then yes, oh yes, okay.

2063
01:53:27,479 --> 01:53:33,120
Speaker 8: Different different different committees advance the seniors and coaches.

2064
01:53:33,160 --> 01:53:34,600
Speaker 2: We have subcommittees that do that.

2065
01:53:35,200 --> 01:53:38,519
Speaker 8: And then but then the fifty selectors, we need fifty

2066
01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:44,400
Speaker 8: selectors select the modern era and the coach contributor senior.

2067
01:53:44,720 --> 01:53:48,360
Speaker 1: So so if we know that Bell Belichick was not

2068
01:53:48,560 --> 01:53:53,960
Speaker 1: one of the of the five eligible senior contributor category,

2069
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:58,840
Speaker 1: if Belichick was not one of the inductees from that group,

2070
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:02,360
Speaker 1: how does he already know that? And yet the players

2071
01:54:02,400 --> 01:54:05,920
Speaker 1: that are in the fifteen finalist category are not yet

2072
01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:07,680
Speaker 1: privy to knowing whether they made it or not.

2073
01:54:08,680 --> 01:54:16,000
Speaker 8: Well, that's that's a false assumption. Everybody in the process knows,

2074
01:54:16,600 --> 01:54:19,320
Speaker 8: I don't. I mean, I'm talking the can't, the modern

2075
01:54:19,360 --> 01:54:22,200
Speaker 8: eary guys, the ones that got in, the ones that

2076
01:54:22,280 --> 01:54:27,360
Speaker 8: didn't get in, they have been informed. Okay, everybody who

2077
01:54:27,479 --> 01:54:30,800
Speaker 8: was up for induction knows whether they got it or not.

2078
01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:34,920
Speaker 1: Okay, So Reggie Wayne knows whether or not he's in yes,

2079
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:38,040
Speaker 1: and they are just basically sworn to secrecy. Is that right?

2080
01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:42,440
Speaker 8: Well, they as much as they can. They asked you

2081
01:54:42,640 --> 01:54:46,360
Speaker 8: to not share. They want people.

2082
01:54:46,120 --> 01:54:46,640
Speaker 2: Not to know.

2083
01:54:46,720 --> 01:54:49,480
Speaker 8: And I don't know how the Bill Belichick thing came out,

2084
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:55,360
Speaker 8: whether he was asked, whether he I don't know, but yeah,

2085
01:54:55,400 --> 01:54:59,600
Speaker 8: they they want this to be as much of a

2086
01:54:59,640 --> 01:55:04,400
Speaker 8: surprise guys come next Thursday, a week from Thursday as possible,

2087
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:07,200
Speaker 8: and they do a pretty good job of it. But

2088
01:55:07,240 --> 01:55:10,560
Speaker 8: there's no there's no you know, well, if you if

2089
01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:12,320
Speaker 8: you spill the beach, you didn't get in, you won't

2090
01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:14,440
Speaker 8: be on the battle next year. There's none of that.

2091
01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:17,800
Speaker 8: So it's please don't tell any one type of thing.

2092
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:24,400
Speaker 1: Okay, were you instructed or was it ever requested to

2093
01:55:24,600 --> 01:55:28,960
Speaker 1: you by anyone of reason why you should not vote

2094
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:29,840
Speaker 1: for Bill Belichick.

2095
01:55:32,240 --> 01:55:37,320
Speaker 8: There were pluses, minuses, more many many more pluses than minuses,

2096
01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:41,000
Speaker 8: but no one ever said, hey, man, don't vote for

2097
01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:43,960
Speaker 8: this check off. No, none of that.

2098
01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:45,720
Speaker 2: It was just you debate.

2099
01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:49,320
Speaker 8: There's good debate, there's bad debate, there's there's emotions. But

2100
01:55:49,360 --> 01:55:54,960
Speaker 8: there were never any constructions by anybody about gether selectors.

2101
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:58,160
Speaker 1: So to your knowledge, there was never any sort of

2102
01:55:58,280 --> 01:56:03,640
Speaker 1: a a campaign to keep him out, to penalize him.

2103
01:56:03,200 --> 01:56:06,400
Speaker 8: No, no, and anyone that says that I was in

2104
01:56:06,440 --> 01:56:13,520
Speaker 8: the room, Uh yes, there, spygate came up because because

2105
01:56:13,520 --> 01:56:14,080
Speaker 8: he cheated.

2106
01:56:14,240 --> 01:56:16,040
Speaker 2: I mean, let's just we.

2107
01:56:16,040 --> 01:56:19,640
Speaker 8: Can candy code all you want. He was just flung

2108
01:56:19,720 --> 01:56:22,280
Speaker 8: by the league five hundred thousand dollars and they were

2109
01:56:22,360 --> 01:56:25,879
Speaker 8: docked a first round draft pick. So that's on his bio.

2110
01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:30,400
Speaker 8: So certainly with disgust. Now, it just depends on how

2111
01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:34,080
Speaker 8: much you want to weigh that into keeping him out

2112
01:56:34,280 --> 01:56:36,160
Speaker 8: or or making him wait a year.

2113
01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:37,400
Speaker 9: Uh.

2114
01:56:37,440 --> 01:56:40,600
Speaker 8: It's no different than we've had players who have been

2115
01:56:40,640 --> 01:56:47,920
Speaker 8: suspended for games for for steroids, pdies, whatever, and that

2116
01:56:49,440 --> 01:56:55,480
Speaker 8: should that that could impact their their their nomination, their candidacy,

2117
01:56:55,560 --> 01:57:00,160
Speaker 8: because that's part of there's no morality cup clause the

2118
01:57:00,200 --> 01:57:03,360
Speaker 8: Hall of Fame Football Hall of Fame. It's all based

2119
01:57:03,400 --> 01:57:08,040
Speaker 8: on on the field. And I would argue that Spygate

2120
01:57:08,280 --> 01:57:12,040
Speaker 8: impacts on the field. I would argue that afore game

2121
01:57:12,120 --> 01:57:18,600
Speaker 8: suspensions for peds or whatever, it's it's on field related.

2122
01:57:18,760 --> 01:57:20,120
Speaker 2: So uh.

2123
01:57:20,200 --> 01:57:23,839
Speaker 8: But but if there's an off the field thing whatever,

2124
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:28,600
Speaker 8: that's not to be or or one thing. And please

2125
01:57:28,720 --> 01:57:32,080
Speaker 8: we people who say that that Bill Belichick was kept

2126
01:57:32,080 --> 01:57:35,360
Speaker 8: out because he was because he was a bad guy

2127
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Speaker 8: to deal with.

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Speaker 2: In the media.

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Speaker 8: That that's so much Bs. It really is, I've voted

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Speaker 8: for people that I didn't care for. I voted for

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01:57:45,200 --> 01:57:49,640
Speaker 8: people that or me off our interviews. That's got nothing

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01:57:49,680 --> 01:57:52,440
Speaker 8: to do with it. And if it does, yes, you

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Speaker 8: should no longer be a selector.

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Speaker 1: Did you vote for Belichick?

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Speaker 8: Kay, I'm not gonna tell you. I I know you

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Speaker 8: got to ask. I'm not going to say I'm no.

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Speaker 8: I'll leave it at that. I'm going to keep it quiet.

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01:58:05,600 --> 01:58:08,320
Speaker 8: I may come out and say later, but right now,

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Speaker 8: I'm not going to say.

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01:58:09,600 --> 01:58:12,320
Speaker 1: Is there chap Mike Chapel is my guest. He is

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Speaker 1: with CBS four and w x A and Fox fifty nine.

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Speaker 1: He's on the Java House peeling poor guest, line chap

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Speaker 1: In baseball, I think we know clearly, excuse me, clearly,

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Speaker 1: in baseball, we know that the integrity of the game,

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01:58:27,160 --> 01:58:30,520
Speaker 1: whether it be gambling or whether it be pedes, have

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01:58:30,640 --> 01:58:32,800
Speaker 1: been deemed by the writers or the voters of the

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01:58:32,800 --> 01:58:36,280
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame in Baseball as the cardinal sin that

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01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:41,240
Speaker 1: cannot be overlooked. Is there any list or even understood

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Speaker 1: cardinal sin from the football side, not that I know of.

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Speaker 8: Again, because it's all on field, you know, because because

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01:58:50,920 --> 01:58:53,600
Speaker 8: baseball does take that into account, I don't know how

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01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:56,280
Speaker 8: it's listed in their biologs. With football, it's all about

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01:58:56,640 --> 01:58:59,160
Speaker 8: on the field. And then that's a little bit of

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01:58:59,160 --> 01:59:03,680
Speaker 8: a vagueness. And again if if you're suspended, well that's

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01:59:03,720 --> 01:59:05,520
Speaker 8: not on the field, well it sort of it is

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01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:08,440
Speaker 8: because you're not on the field, so so, but no,

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01:59:08,640 --> 01:59:14,800
Speaker 8: that's that's the difference in it. And I would you

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01:59:14,800 --> 01:59:18,640
Speaker 8: would enjoy sitting in the room for eight hours and

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01:59:18,760 --> 01:59:22,040
Speaker 8: listen to the back and forth on some guys. I've

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01:59:22,080 --> 01:59:25,160
Speaker 8: always taken the approach and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong

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01:59:26,040 --> 01:59:28,800
Speaker 8: that if you're gonna be a first ballot Hall of Famer,

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01:59:30,120 --> 01:59:35,440
Speaker 8: you really need to check virtually every box. And Belichick does,

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01:59:36,520 --> 01:59:40,960
Speaker 8: uh check most boxes. But like I was pee over

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01:59:41,080 --> 01:59:45,160
Speaker 8: last year, the Vinitary didn't get in first ballot. I mean,

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Speaker 8: he checked every box. And it's when I did his

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01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:51,040
Speaker 8: presentation this year, it was I let off by you know,

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01:59:51,080 --> 01:59:54,080
Speaker 8: people say that you you know, you can't write the

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01:59:54,120 --> 01:59:58,000
Speaker 8: history of the NFL without this guy, Joe name us whoever.

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01:59:58,760 --> 02:00:01,360
Speaker 8: And I said Minitary is one of those guys, and

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Speaker 8: then he didn't get in, so I was peeled about that.

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Speaker 8: We'll see if that changes this year, but it's it's

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02:00:08,640 --> 02:00:13,080
Speaker 8: it's still some vagueness on guys on how you.

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Speaker 2: Evaluate a career.

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Speaker 8: It was long enough. Did he do enough for the

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Speaker 8: short time? Tony Bacelli, Terrell Davis? Did they do enough

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02:00:21,840 --> 02:00:27,320
Speaker 8: for a short time? There's really no there's no boxes

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02:00:27,400 --> 02:00:30,280
Speaker 8: that check other than in my mind, first ballot guys.

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02:00:30,600 --> 02:00:33,280
Speaker 8: We've had some guys first ballot that I didn't agree

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Speaker 8: with and I didn't support until it came time to

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02:00:36,400 --> 02:00:38,840
Speaker 8: a came down to a yes or no vote that

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02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:41,680
Speaker 8: I've got to guess that could just because you look

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02:00:41,720 --> 02:00:45,320
Speaker 8: these guys that are not linger. But now it's it's

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Speaker 8: fifty people trying to decide in their own mind if

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Speaker 8: this guy or that guy checks it up boxes to

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Speaker 8: get in. And you know, Reggie's had to wait. This

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02:00:58,520 --> 02:01:01,320
Speaker 8: is his seventh year. I think he's waited too long.

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02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:06,200
Speaker 8: I've said from the start that would we allowed Andre

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02:01:06,400 --> 02:01:09,520
Speaker 8: Johnson to get in over Reggie and Torrio and we

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02:01:09,560 --> 02:01:14,800
Speaker 8: were wrong. I just believe that Calvin Johnson jumped the line.

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Speaker 8: Well that's Calvin Johnson. I think there's a good chance

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Speaker 8: Larry Fitzgerald gets in this year. He's second all time.

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Speaker 8: His numbers are just staggering.

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Speaker 1: But and you once again had the responsibility of for

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Speaker 1: those that don't know. When you guys at each player

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02:01:33,560 --> 02:01:35,960
Speaker 1: that comes up, there is a writer that covered them

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Speaker 1: the majority of their career that then states the case

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Speaker 1: for them, right, and then the others vote on it.

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Speaker 8: Right, it's guys from that market. Guys are famillion.

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Speaker 1: If it's somebody that played in multiple markets, well like.

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Speaker 8: Mivin Terry Ron Borgis and I have sort of split

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Speaker 8: that up. He did more last year, I did more

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Speaker 8: this year, and then we sort of supplement the guy.

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02:01:54,680 --> 02:01:59,800
Speaker 8: But Marshall fought was Saint Louis and some colts. But yeah,

2204
02:02:00,120 --> 02:02:03,480
Speaker 8: it's it's just somebody familiar with the guy. And you know,

2205
02:02:03,480 --> 02:02:06,280
Speaker 8: we're not making stuff up. It's it's the guy's career.

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02:02:07,080 --> 02:02:12,240
Speaker 8: I'm just trying to give it context, uh, with what

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02:02:12,360 --> 02:02:16,280
Speaker 8: their career is, how it compared to other guys in

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02:02:16,360 --> 02:02:20,200
Speaker 8: his time and over over the course of history. But

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Speaker 8: we get about five minutes to state our case and

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02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:27,840
Speaker 8: then there's open dialogue for however long. Sometimes the dialogue

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02:02:27,880 --> 02:02:32,440
Speaker 8: is long. Uh, sometimes it's very short. If you've got

2212
02:02:32,440 --> 02:02:34,960
Speaker 8: a guy that everybody sort of agrees and you know,

2213
02:02:35,360 --> 02:02:37,920
Speaker 8: Peyton manager still up and said, Peyton manage sat down.

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02:02:39,080 --> 02:02:42,160
Speaker 8: I'm not I'm not going to waste people's time. Most

2215
02:02:42,160 --> 02:02:45,880
Speaker 8: guys aren't that cutry, right, So, but uh, you know,

2216
02:02:46,080 --> 02:02:51,160
Speaker 8: it's it's it's a thorough process. It's a yes, it's

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02:02:51,160 --> 02:02:54,360
Speaker 8: a flawed process. I don't like the fact that we've

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02:02:54,360 --> 02:02:58,000
Speaker 8: made it harder to get guys in. I just don't believe.

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02:02:58,400 --> 02:03:01,960
Speaker 8: And whether this is be on sand or complaining or

2220
02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:04,600
Speaker 8: too many guys were getting in that didn't belong, that's

2221
02:03:04,640 --> 02:03:08,240
Speaker 8: easy to say once you're in, by the way, so

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02:03:08,320 --> 02:03:10,520
Speaker 8: I and whether they change it, I don't know. A

2223
02:03:10,520 --> 02:03:12,240
Speaker 8: lot of us don't agree with you. But this is

2224
02:03:12,400 --> 02:03:15,440
Speaker 8: this is our system. And if I do, if I

2225
02:03:15,520 --> 02:03:17,360
Speaker 8: dislike it that much, then I'll resign.

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02:03:18,240 --> 02:03:19,280
Speaker 2: And I don't want to do that.

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02:03:20,200 --> 02:03:23,560
Speaker 8: But every again, we've talked about every year. Let let's

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02:03:23,560 --> 02:03:27,240
Speaker 8: say five guys get in. Your favorite guy doesn't get into.

2229
02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:28,760
Speaker 8: I can't believe my guy.

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Speaker 2: Didn't get in.

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02:03:29,680 --> 02:03:31,120
Speaker 8: Well, I say, well, who do you want to leave off?

2232
02:03:31,240 --> 02:03:31,440
Speaker 2: Right?

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02:03:31,680 --> 02:03:33,920
Speaker 8: I don't leave anybody off? No, No, that's the way

2234
02:03:33,960 --> 02:03:37,400
Speaker 8: it works to get five and now you may get three.

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02:03:38,160 --> 02:03:39,080
Speaker 2: They're hard choices.

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Speaker 1: Chap appreciate the time and the insight as always, certainly

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Speaker 1: stay warm. We'll talk to you around the Super Bowl

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02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:48,720
Speaker 1: as well. Appreciate it though, se Well, guys, all right,

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02:03:48,760 --> 02:03:51,600
Speaker 1: my Chapel joining US CBS four, wx A and Fox

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Speaker 1: at fifty nine. Matt Verderam had a little bit more

2241
02:03:54,720 --> 02:03:57,560
Speaker 1: on this as it relates to a cult's angle to it.

2242
02:03:57,640 --> 02:03:59,360
Speaker 1: We will talk to him from SI and we'll do

2243
02:03:59,400 --> 02:04:05,720
Speaker 1: it next. What Matt Verderram is with SI friend of

2244
02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:08,520
Speaker 1: the show. Matter of fact, before we know it, he

2245
02:04:08,600 --> 02:04:11,240
Speaker 1: will be here because the NFL combine will be here,

2246
02:04:11,280 --> 02:04:13,640
Speaker 1: super Bowl is here. He also was in the news

2247
02:04:13,680 --> 02:04:16,760
Speaker 1: last night, was Matt, because he had the story that

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02:04:16,800 --> 02:04:19,480
Speaker 1: he had talked to Bill Pullian and Pollion had said that,

2249
02:04:21,200 --> 02:04:23,800
Speaker 1: in fact, he had voted for Bill Belichick. And then

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Speaker 1: later you saw ESPN refuting that, saying that Belichick had

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02:04:28,480 --> 02:04:30,280
Speaker 1: said or that Pollyon excuse me and said, well, I

2252
02:04:30,280 --> 02:04:32,840
Speaker 1: don't remember whether I did or not, and that comes

2253
02:04:32,840 --> 02:04:34,720
Speaker 1: off probably worse than it is. But Matt joins us

2254
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Speaker 1: now on the Java House. Peel and Port guest line, Matt,

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good? How are you?

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02:04:41,000 --> 02:04:44,680
Speaker 1: Uh? Freezing? But other than that, okay, I can't remember

2258
02:04:44,720 --> 02:04:47,040
Speaker 1: you're in Chicago or New York. You're in Chicago, right,

2259
02:04:47,640 --> 02:04:48,360
Speaker 1: I'm from New York.

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02:04:48,520 --> 02:04:50,160
Speaker 2: I'm not out of side Chicago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called I was going to say, it's same

2262
02:04:53,520 --> 02:04:57,640
Speaker 1: as you. All right, let's begin with this, the conversation

2263
02:04:57,760 --> 02:04:59,920
Speaker 1: you have with Bill Pollian. Just what all was draw

2264
02:05:00,240 --> 02:05:02,760
Speaker 1: out of that or you know how succinct was it

2265
02:05:02,880 --> 02:05:04,880
Speaker 1: or was that part of a broader conversation you had

2266
02:05:04,920 --> 02:05:05,360
Speaker 1: about things?

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02:05:05,400 --> 02:05:08,120
Speaker 9: No, it was good. It was like ninety seconds. I mean, hell,

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02:05:08,160 --> 02:05:10,320
Speaker 9: I have the whole thing recorded on my computers. I

2269
02:05:10,360 --> 02:05:12,720
Speaker 9: think it's a ninety one second file. It was literally

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02:05:13,600 --> 02:05:15,400
Speaker 9: I've known Bill for a few years because I've done

2271
02:05:15,400 --> 02:05:18,600
Speaker 9: some historical projects with Sports Illustrated, and we put together

2272
02:05:18,600 --> 02:05:21,640
Speaker 9: a blue ribbon panel. I believe I think he's been

2273
02:05:21,680 --> 02:05:24,080
Speaker 9: on all three. He's at least been on two of them.

2274
02:05:24,120 --> 02:05:26,320
Speaker 9: So I've got to no Bill gotten along with it.

2275
02:05:26,440 --> 02:05:28,520
Speaker 9: And so there was a story after it got leaked

2276
02:05:28,560 --> 02:05:31,000
Speaker 9: to Pelchick was in the Hall of Fame at the end,

2277
02:05:31,360 --> 02:05:33,640
Speaker 9: seth Wickersham don Van now to put out a co

2278
02:05:33,800 --> 02:05:37,200
Speaker 9: byline piece where in the story they wrote that they

2279
02:05:37,280 --> 02:05:40,080
Speaker 9: talked to some people or a cameras. One voter, multiple voters,

2280
02:05:40,080 --> 02:05:42,520
Speaker 9: who said essentially that the point had kind of muddy

2281
02:05:42,560 --> 02:05:45,160
Speaker 9: the water, felt like Belichick should pay patents for the

2282
02:05:45,520 --> 02:05:49,600
Speaker 9: spygate stuff, to play gate stuff. So I just kind

2283
02:05:49,600 --> 02:05:52,800
Speaker 9: of on a whim called Dill and just figured, you know,

2284
02:05:52,880 --> 02:05:54,720
Speaker 9: I was going to answer, not he's eighty three, but

2285
02:05:54,760 --> 02:05:57,520
Speaker 9: it's worth giving him a call. And he answered and

2286
02:05:57,600 --> 02:06:00,840
Speaker 9: I just said, hey, seeing the story that Belichick's not

2287
02:06:00,880 --> 02:06:03,120
Speaker 9: getting in, said he had, you know, only seen the

2288
02:06:03,120 --> 02:06:06,200
Speaker 9: headline of it. And I just said, book, there's a

2289
02:06:06,240 --> 02:06:09,240
Speaker 9: report out there that you had some influence on the

2290
02:06:09,320 --> 02:06:11,840
Speaker 9: idea that he should have to wait a year, and

2291
02:06:12,080 --> 02:06:13,440
Speaker 9: out of the exact quote in front of me, it's

2292
02:06:13,480 --> 02:06:16,040
Speaker 9: on my Twitter feed, but basically, you know, it's categorically false.

2293
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:18,320
Speaker 9: I voted for him, and I asked him if I

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02:06:18,320 --> 02:06:21,440
Speaker 9: can put it on the record, said yes, and he

2295
02:06:22,280 --> 02:06:25,760
Speaker 9: added afterwards, just it you know, it's basically it's not

2296
02:06:26,480 --> 02:06:28,120
Speaker 9: you're not you're not supposed to put out who you

2297
02:06:28,240 --> 02:06:32,040
Speaker 9: voted for, but he's not going to be slandered. And

2298
02:06:32,120 --> 02:06:34,240
Speaker 9: so I could put it on the record and so

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02:06:34,280 --> 02:06:35,840
Speaker 9: I sweet it up now.

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Speaker 1: And I should have asked chap this. We just had

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02:06:38,200 --> 02:06:42,000
Speaker 1: Mike chapelon. Do you know when that vote took place? Matt? Roughly?

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Speaker 9: I believe it was last week. I'm not out of cent, sure,

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02:06:47,360 --> 02:06:49,400
Speaker 9: I believe it was last week at that book.

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02:06:49,600 --> 02:06:53,560
Speaker 1: Okay, the reason I say it, are you a voter

2305
02:06:53,800 --> 02:06:57,240
Speaker 1: in any Hall of Fame panels at all? Matt? I

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02:06:57,280 --> 02:06:59,600
Speaker 1: am nothing? And that made it sound like I was

2307
02:06:59,680 --> 02:07:01,960
Speaker 1: cross examining you. I didn't mean it that way. So

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02:07:02,280 --> 02:07:05,000
Speaker 1: I vote. There's one thing, it's auto racing that I'm

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02:07:05,000 --> 02:07:07,160
Speaker 1: a voter for. And I mentioned this earlier only because

2310
02:07:07,200 --> 02:07:11,600
Speaker 1: it's I mean, that's fairly irrelevant, but it's somewhat applicable here.

2311
02:07:11,640 --> 02:07:15,040
Speaker 1: There have been people that and this wouldn't be the

2312
02:07:15,040 --> 02:07:17,440
Speaker 1: case with Belichick because it's obviously his first time on,

2313
02:07:18,360 --> 02:07:20,640
Speaker 1: but there have been people that I have voted for

2314
02:07:21,080 --> 02:07:24,000
Speaker 1: that did not get in in a cycle, and then

2315
02:07:24,040 --> 02:07:26,640
Speaker 1: the next year they're back on the ballot again. And

2316
02:07:26,680 --> 02:07:29,040
Speaker 1: I think this is just me, but I'm thinking, well,

2317
02:07:29,080 --> 02:07:31,640
Speaker 1: if I voted for them last year, then I pretty

2318
02:07:31,680 --> 02:07:33,240
Speaker 1: much have to vote for them this year, because it's

2319
02:07:33,240 --> 02:07:36,560
Speaker 1: not like something happened that demerited them, right, and so

2320
02:07:36,720 --> 02:07:39,520
Speaker 1: it becomes confusing to remember who I did and didn't

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02:07:39,600 --> 02:07:42,000
Speaker 1: vote for. Thus I have to keep a log for myself.

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02:07:42,480 --> 02:07:44,920
Speaker 2: So and that's I think part of it.

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02:07:45,200 --> 02:07:49,280
Speaker 9: So what Bill is eighty three years old? And you

2324
02:07:49,320 --> 02:07:51,280
Speaker 9: know when he talked to ESPN after he spoke with me,

2325
02:07:52,240 --> 02:07:54,520
Speaker 9: his quote to them was that he's ninety five percent

2326
02:07:54,560 --> 02:07:56,280
Speaker 9: sure he voted for Belichick. Now he talked to me,

2327
02:07:56,320 --> 02:07:58,720
Speaker 9: he just flat said I voted for him. Oh okay,

2328
02:07:58,800 --> 02:08:01,520
Speaker 9: So you know, is that kind of couching? It is

2329
02:08:01,560 --> 02:08:03,600
Speaker 9: that Bill maybe after we got off the phone thinking

2330
02:08:03,600 --> 02:08:05,640
Speaker 9: about it and saying, well, my hot, do I have

2331
02:08:05,760 --> 02:08:07,720
Speaker 9: a record of it in my one thousand cent Sure?

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02:08:08,720 --> 02:08:09,280
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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02:08:09,320 --> 02:08:11,680
Speaker 9: Look, the bottom line, though, is this Bill polling in

2334
02:08:11,720 --> 02:08:13,760
Speaker 9: my opinion, is being made out to be a big

2335
02:08:13,840 --> 02:08:17,080
Speaker 9: scapegoat here because let's even live in the world where

2336
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Speaker 9: Bill misremembered. Let's even live in that world. Froom. Okay,

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Speaker 9: he didn't vote for him, There's still ten other people

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Speaker 9: he didn't vote for him, right, And like this idea

2339
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Speaker 9: is that well Bill polly And turned people against Bill Beltia,

2340
02:08:27,840 --> 02:08:31,000
Speaker 9: you're a grown man or woman, like vote for whoever

2341
02:08:31,080 --> 02:08:32,560
Speaker 9: you think you should vote for. If I was on

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02:08:32,600 --> 02:08:34,240
Speaker 9: that panel and Bill Polling came up to me said

2343
02:08:34,280 --> 02:08:36,520
Speaker 9: don't vote for him, I would have still voted for him.

2344
02:08:36,880 --> 02:08:39,720
Speaker 9: Like it wouldn't have mattered. You know, it's a private vote.

2345
02:08:39,720 --> 02:08:41,920
Speaker 9: It's a personal vote. And here's the other side of this.

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02:08:41,960 --> 02:08:45,960
Speaker 9: I don't think everybody understands this. So the coaches, contributors,

2347
02:08:45,960 --> 02:08:48,440
Speaker 9: and senior players, they are all in one group. He

2348
02:08:48,560 --> 02:08:50,760
Speaker 9: used to be separate. It was made into one group

2349
02:08:50,800 --> 02:08:54,560
Speaker 9: two years ago. There were five candidates in that group

2350
02:08:54,640 --> 02:08:57,000
Speaker 9: this year, Elsie Greenwood of the Steelers, Ken Anderson to

2351
02:08:57,040 --> 02:08:59,560
Speaker 9: the Bengals, Roger Craigmuff notably of the forty nine Ers,

2352
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Speaker 9: Robert Craft, Bill Belichick. Those fifty voters were tasked with

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Speaker 9: voting for three of those people each, and you one

2354
02:09:09,080 --> 02:09:11,400
Speaker 9: to three of them were to get in based on

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Speaker 9: either if you got more than forty or more votes,

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02:09:15,400 --> 02:09:18,680
Speaker 9: or if nobody got forty votes than whoever the highest

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Speaker 9: vote get er was. So there were at least eleven

2358
02:09:21,480 --> 02:09:24,760
Speaker 9: people who just slat out didn't vote in any capacity

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Speaker 9: for Belichick.

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Speaker 2: We did not make their top three.

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Speaker 1: You think it's possible that people just naturally said, Matt, hey,

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Speaker 1: I've got to vote for five of or three of

2363
02:09:34,400 --> 02:09:38,600
Speaker 1: these five people, and the two that did not play

2364
02:09:38,720 --> 02:09:40,800
Speaker 1: the game or that are not there for playing the

2365
02:09:40,840 --> 02:09:44,320
Speaker 1: game were attached at the hip for a very long

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Speaker 1: time within the same organization. So I'm going to pick

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Speaker 1: two of the players and one of these two guys,

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02:09:49,960 --> 02:09:50,320
Speaker 1: and just.

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Speaker 9: I think that is possible. I think I think confusings happened.

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Speaker 9: Just I spent a lot of time. Bill Paulinder is

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02:09:55,520 --> 02:09:57,120
Speaker 9: not the only voter I spoke with last night. I

2372
02:09:57,120 --> 02:09:59,280
Speaker 9: probably spoke with I don't know twenty percent of the

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02:09:59,280 --> 02:10:02,400
Speaker 9: panel last night, and whether it's over the phone or

2374
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Speaker 9: in the text, and so what I gathered from it

2375
02:10:06,080 --> 02:10:10,840
Speaker 9: was I think some people felt like other voters because

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02:10:10,880 --> 02:10:12,800
Speaker 9: everyone I talked to for the record all said that

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02:10:12,800 --> 02:10:15,840
Speaker 9: they voted for So take that for what it's worth. Now,

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02:10:15,880 --> 02:10:17,640
Speaker 9: maybe maybe one of her, two of them didn't want

2379
02:10:17,640 --> 02:10:21,000
Speaker 9: to admit they didn't, whatever, But the thought was essentially,

2380
02:10:22,440 --> 02:10:25,920
Speaker 9: when they grouped the senior players in with the coaches

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02:10:25,960 --> 02:10:28,360
Speaker 9: and contributors a couple of years ago, that seems a

2382
02:10:28,440 --> 02:10:30,920
Speaker 9: dynamic because there are some voters who flat out feel

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02:10:31,040 --> 02:10:33,560
Speaker 9: like if it's up to a player or a coach

2384
02:10:33,640 --> 02:10:34,160
Speaker 9: or a contributor.

2385
02:10:34,200 --> 02:10:34,800
Speaker 2: I'm voting for the.

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Speaker 9: Player because the players are the men on the field.

2387
02:10:38,040 --> 02:10:41,280
Speaker 9: I'm voting for those guys over everybody else. And you know,

2388
02:10:41,400 --> 02:10:43,520
Speaker 9: Belichick and Craft, they're gonna have more bites at the

2389
02:10:43,520 --> 02:10:44,040
Speaker 9: apple here.

2390
02:10:44,080 --> 02:10:44,640
Speaker 2: They just are.

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Speaker 9: But when you talk about with Elsie Greenwood, he may

2392
02:10:48,640 --> 02:10:50,960
Speaker 9: never be on the ballot again, like this might be it.

2393
02:10:51,040 --> 02:10:53,960
Speaker 9: So there's a pressure with some of those players to

2394
02:10:54,120 --> 02:10:56,200
Speaker 9: vote for those guys because this might be their one

2395
02:10:56,200 --> 02:10:56,880
Speaker 9: and done shot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a very fair way looking at it.

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02:10:58,880 --> 02:11:02,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that's a big thing that people are

2398
02:11:02,200 --> 02:11:04,840
Speaker 9: just dumping all over these voters like their morons, and

2399
02:11:04,880 --> 02:11:07,560
Speaker 9: it's not the case. I think there's a reality. So

2400
02:11:07,720 --> 02:11:09,240
Speaker 9: he says, no, well, if I'm gonna go over for

2401
02:11:09,280 --> 02:11:12,440
Speaker 9: Canson this year, he's done. He's not getting in. And

2402
02:11:12,520 --> 02:11:13,920
Speaker 9: so there's that, and then there's the other side. I

2403
02:11:13,920 --> 02:11:16,080
Speaker 9: think some people do holds by get against them. And

2404
02:11:16,120 --> 02:11:18,440
Speaker 9: I even think a few people probably figured, look, he's

2405
02:11:18,440 --> 02:11:20,160
Speaker 9: going to get in, I'm going to use my vote

2406
02:11:20,160 --> 02:11:23,480
Speaker 9: on somebody else. And when you combine all those things,

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02:11:23,880 --> 02:11:26,200
Speaker 9: I think you had that oh you know what moment

2408
02:11:26,280 --> 02:11:26,680
Speaker 9: of he.

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02:11:26,840 --> 02:11:28,840
Speaker 2: Didn't get in. Yet he didn't get in he didn't

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02:11:28,840 --> 02:11:29,480
Speaker 2: get enough votes.

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02:11:31,400 --> 02:11:33,920
Speaker 1: Matt Verderram is our guest Java House Peel and poor

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02:11:33,960 --> 02:11:37,320
Speaker 1: guest line. All right, Matt, real quick. The Colts. You know,

2413
02:11:37,360 --> 02:11:40,080
Speaker 1: we've talked to you about them before. I would imagine

2414
02:11:40,080 --> 02:11:42,839
Speaker 1: that as a national writer for SI covering the NFL

2415
02:11:43,160 --> 02:11:45,240
Speaker 1: Colts have not been on your radar, probably for at

2416
02:11:45,320 --> 02:11:47,880
Speaker 1: least the last two months or after their hot start

2417
02:11:47,920 --> 02:11:50,800
Speaker 1: and then the Daniel Jones injury. When you look at

2418
02:11:51,080 --> 02:11:54,920
Speaker 1: Seattle and getting Sam Darnald but having pieces around, and

2419
02:11:55,000 --> 02:11:56,880
Speaker 1: Donald's played well and out here they are right, and

2420
02:11:56,920 --> 02:11:59,880
Speaker 1: you look at New England, new coach, but they went

2421
02:12:00,040 --> 02:12:02,720
Speaker 1: out they got a solid young quarterback and built and

2422
02:12:02,880 --> 02:12:07,320
Speaker 1: they had pieces. How far away do you believe Indianapolis is?

2423
02:12:10,160 --> 02:12:15,080
Speaker 9: I think it depends on your feelings about Daniel Jones. Look,

2424
02:12:15,200 --> 02:12:19,240
Speaker 9: I think I think the roster and the coaching staff

2425
02:12:20,400 --> 02:12:23,560
Speaker 9: I think are pretty good. I know you know Sauce Gardner.

2426
02:12:23,840 --> 02:12:25,400
Speaker 9: I would expect, as long as he's healthy, to be

2427
02:12:25,520 --> 02:12:28,360
Speaker 9: much better next year of a full year in the system.

2428
02:12:28,600 --> 02:12:30,720
Speaker 9: You know, I like their creating additions for the most

2429
02:12:30,760 --> 02:12:33,640
Speaker 9: part last year, but defensively they played a lot better.

2430
02:12:33,680 --> 02:12:35,240
Speaker 9: I still think it. Look, they could maybe use a

2431
02:12:35,240 --> 02:12:38,840
Speaker 9: little bit more in the pass rush department, and who knows,

2432
02:12:38,880 --> 02:12:41,240
Speaker 9: maybe Trey Henderson's the guy was with Adam Rumo forever.

2433
02:12:41,280 --> 02:12:43,960
Speaker 9: Maybe he's one of those guys we'll see lots who

2434
02:12:44,000 --> 02:12:47,360
Speaker 9: is certainly a player, and Buckner is great inside. But

2435
02:12:47,480 --> 02:12:51,840
Speaker 9: I I think to get to the super Bowl, if

2436
02:12:51,960 --> 02:12:55,440
Speaker 9: Jones becomes, if Jones is Darnald, if he could be

2437
02:12:55,520 --> 02:12:58,440
Speaker 9: Donald didn't, yeah, I mean I think then they're at

2438
02:12:58,480 --> 02:13:01,880
Speaker 9: worse the playoff team and they're into But I think

2439
02:13:02,960 --> 02:13:05,960
Speaker 9: if Jones is just a guy, if he's the eighteen

2440
02:13:06,080 --> 02:13:09,240
Speaker 9: best quarterback in the NFL, then they're far away because

2441
02:13:09,280 --> 02:13:10,840
Speaker 9: if you don't have a you know, if you have

2442
02:13:10,840 --> 02:13:13,040
Speaker 9: a great quarterback, it's just so tough and Darnold this year,

2443
02:13:13,040 --> 02:13:15,880
Speaker 9: I think it's good that team around them is just

2444
02:13:15,960 --> 02:13:19,120
Speaker 9: they're loaded and let's be it's been a bizarre year.

2445
02:13:19,400 --> 02:13:22,120
Speaker 9: Like most years, I like Shatt a lot. I don't

2446
02:13:22,120 --> 02:13:24,200
Speaker 9: think Seattle would be winning the Super Bowl most years,

2447
02:13:24,200 --> 02:13:27,400
Speaker 9: but it's just been a season where outside of the

2448
02:13:27,480 --> 02:13:31,080
Speaker 9: Seahawks and the Rams, is anyone even good. I don't

2449
02:13:31,120 --> 02:13:34,160
Speaker 9: think maybe maybe there's one other team, but it's not

2450
02:13:34,240 --> 02:13:35,920
Speaker 9: been a very strong year and it's just kind of

2451
02:13:35,920 --> 02:13:37,640
Speaker 9: lined up. Everything worked out perfectly.

2452
02:13:38,000 --> 02:13:41,000
Speaker 1: If if the winner of the super Bowl, if there

2453
02:13:41,040 --> 02:13:45,480
Speaker 1: was an ad campaign that said, whichever team wins the

2454
02:13:45,520 --> 02:13:47,640
Speaker 1: super Bowl, everybody in the United States is going to

2455
02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:51,400
Speaker 1: enjoy the cuisine of their city, the super Bowl winning

2456
02:13:51,400 --> 02:13:54,520
Speaker 1: city that they're most known for. Is everybody after the

2457
02:13:54,560 --> 02:13:57,520
Speaker 1: Super Bowl going to be eating clam chowder or drinking coffee?

2458
02:13:59,520 --> 02:14:01,560
Speaker 2: I'd be sure they're not drinking coffee.

2459
02:14:02,760 --> 02:14:05,040
Speaker 9: Look, I think New England's had a great year, and

2460
02:14:05,080 --> 02:14:06,960
Speaker 9: I know there's been a lot of talk about the

2461
02:14:06,960 --> 02:14:10,400
Speaker 9: schedule and everything else. I get it, But you play

2462
02:14:10,400 --> 02:14:13,320
Speaker 9: who's in front of you. That being said, and this

2463
02:14:13,400 --> 02:14:14,920
Speaker 9: is gonna sound really disrespectful in.

2464
02:14:14,880 --> 02:14:15,960
Speaker 2: New England, I don't mean it too.

2465
02:14:16,880 --> 02:14:20,160
Speaker 9: I was thinking about it the other day, Like, if

2466
02:14:20,240 --> 02:14:23,240
Speaker 9: you look at all the past Super Bowls, how many

2467
02:14:23,320 --> 02:14:27,680
Speaker 9: teams would you take New England to beat? Of any

2468
02:14:27,720 --> 02:14:30,600
Speaker 9: of the Super Bowl participants in the last twenty five years?

2469
02:14:31,760 --> 02:14:32,440
Speaker 2: Maybe like the.

2470
02:14:32,680 --> 02:14:37,280
Speaker 9: Three Panthers, right, ninees in two thousand, Like, it's not many, right,

2471
02:14:37,360 --> 02:14:40,520
Speaker 9: the ninety four Chargers, that team was ridiculous, But like,

2472
02:14:40,640 --> 02:14:43,840
Speaker 9: I I mean, how many, It's not a lot. Like

2473
02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:46,360
Speaker 9: I think the Patriots are a team to their credit

2474
02:14:46,400 --> 02:14:48,960
Speaker 9: if taking advantage of the situation, I really like May

2475
02:14:48,960 --> 02:14:52,640
Speaker 9: and Vrabel, but that team's a team normally that's out

2476
02:14:52,640 --> 02:14:55,920
Speaker 9: in like the divisional round, and yet here they are.

2477
02:14:56,080 --> 02:14:59,360
Speaker 9: So I would if Seattle just plays reasonably well, they

2478
02:14:59,360 --> 02:14:59,800
Speaker 9: should win this.

2479
02:15:01,520 --> 02:15:01,640
Speaker 5: Uh.

2480
02:15:01,800 --> 02:15:06,000
Speaker 1: Is Mendoza going number one overall? I think?

2481
02:15:06,040 --> 02:15:09,400
Speaker 9: So? I never want to commit until after I've been

2482
02:15:09,400 --> 02:15:13,200
Speaker 9: in Indianapolis because everything can change there with medicals and

2483
02:15:13,240 --> 02:15:16,480
Speaker 9: interviews and measurements and all these other things. But as

2484
02:15:16,480 --> 02:15:20,280
Speaker 9: we sit here today, if I were a betting man, yeah,

2485
02:15:20,320 --> 02:15:23,560
Speaker 9: I think there's no other quarterback that's going anywhere close

2486
02:15:23,600 --> 02:15:27,160
Speaker 9: to one. And if you're the Raiders, you kind of

2487
02:15:27,320 --> 02:15:29,840
Speaker 9: have to take him, don't you. I mean, like, what

2488
02:15:29,880 --> 02:15:31,400
Speaker 9: are they gonna do. Are they gonna sit there and say, no,

2489
02:15:31,440 --> 02:15:33,040
Speaker 9: we're gonna take Caleb Down says we think he's the

2490
02:15:33,080 --> 02:15:35,760
Speaker 9: best player in the draft. Like, I mean, that's great.

2491
02:15:35,840 --> 02:15:39,760
Speaker 9: You're going three and fourteen. You need the quarterback. So

2492
02:15:39,880 --> 02:15:42,840
Speaker 9: I think Mendoz is just kind of almost by. But

2493
02:15:43,080 --> 02:15:45,680
Speaker 9: he has to and I look, he's a terrific prospect.

2494
02:15:45,680 --> 02:15:48,160
Speaker 9: There's no reason we can't. But yes, I would at

2495
02:15:48,160 --> 02:15:50,080
Speaker 9: this point, I'd be surprised he was number one.

2496
02:15:50,280 --> 02:15:53,360
Speaker 1: I was on Washington Street yesterday. I went in popped in.

2497
02:15:53,560 --> 02:15:56,800
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you're coming for the combine because they had

2498
02:15:56,880 --> 02:15:59,080
Speaker 1: a little placard with your name on the table. That's

2499
02:15:59,080 --> 02:16:01,360
Speaker 1: a Taco Bell cant reserve just for you.

2500
02:16:02,280 --> 02:16:04,440
Speaker 9: Well, honestly, after all the money I spent there last year,

2501
02:16:04,480 --> 02:16:04,920
Speaker 9: as they should.

2502
02:16:06,640 --> 02:16:09,840
Speaker 1: So you are coming for the combine? Oh yeah, of course, yes,

2503
02:16:09,880 --> 02:16:12,640
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna. We're gonna. We're gonna wrap you

2504
02:16:12,760 --> 02:16:14,720
Speaker 1: up and sit you down at the table with for

2505
02:16:14,760 --> 02:16:17,440
Speaker 1: at least a segment when it takes place. All right, you.

2506
02:16:17,520 --> 02:16:19,000
Speaker 2: Got it, you got it. You name the time.

2507
02:16:19,000 --> 02:16:20,880
Speaker 1: I'll be there, all right, appreciate it. Matt verde Ram

2508
02:16:21,000 --> 02:16:24,640
Speaker 1: joining us from enjoy the Super Bowl mat from Chicago.

2509
02:16:24,720 --> 02:16:27,400
Speaker 1: But of course with s I and good stuff there

2510
02:16:27,760 --> 02:16:30,160
Speaker 1: in regards to pully In all right, Derek Schultz up next.

2511
02:16:30,200 --> 02:16:31,880
Speaker 1: We already did a crossover, but we'll do it again.

2512
02:16:31,960 --> 02:16:34,400
Speaker 1: Find out what he's got locked and loaded for the program,

2513
02:16:34,600 --> 02:16:36,760
Speaker 1: Jay and be out Derek in form just for the day.

2514
02:16:37,080 --> 02:16:41,480
Speaker 1: Uh at three o'clock. We'll do it all next. When

2515
02:16:41,520 --> 02:16:48,760
Speaker 1: you do this, yeah you do cam, No, the camera

2516
02:16:48,840 --> 02:16:49,560
Speaker 1: oscillates around.

2517
02:16:49,600 --> 02:16:51,200
Speaker 4: Look at all you have to do is go like

2518
02:16:51,240 --> 02:16:52,200
Speaker 4: this and then it goes over to you.

2519
02:16:52,280 --> 02:16:54,040
Speaker 1: Right, I don't I don't know.

2520
02:16:54,240 --> 02:16:55,480
Speaker 3: The camera does not oscillate.

2521
02:16:57,520 --> 02:16:58,840
Speaker 2: So do you want me to do?

2522
02:16:58,879 --> 02:17:00,000
Speaker 3: I need to help on here?

2523
02:17:00,040 --> 02:17:00,840
Speaker 2: What's what's over?

2524
02:17:00,920 --> 02:17:05,200
Speaker 1: There's fine, that's that's good. Yeah, the camera see I

2525
02:17:05,320 --> 02:17:07,600
Speaker 1: don't know. He started playing handsOn and you just what

2526
02:17:07,720 --> 02:17:07,920
Speaker 1: you went.

2527
02:17:08,320 --> 02:17:09,840
Speaker 6: I'm supposed to be on camera when I'm in here.

2528
02:17:10,840 --> 02:17:16,119
Speaker 6: So there's is that been crossover? Are crossing over?

2529
02:17:16,280 --> 02:17:16,440
Speaker 2: Well?

2530
02:17:16,600 --> 02:17:19,440
Speaker 1: I intentionally went along with Verde ram so I could

2531
02:17:19,440 --> 02:17:23,040
Speaker 1: have a limited time with you. This is pretty close. Yeah,

2532
02:17:23,080 --> 02:17:25,000
Speaker 1: you'll think you're pretty close. You thank you by my

2533
02:17:25,480 --> 02:17:32,000
Speaker 1: my cologne. Okay, okay, that was uncomfortable. What's lined up

2534
02:17:32,040 --> 02:17:32,720
Speaker 1: for the big show here?

2535
02:17:33,600 --> 02:17:36,560
Speaker 6: We're excited about it. KB is gonna joins we uh,

2536
02:17:36,959 --> 02:17:39,360
Speaker 6: me and my dog. Kevin bow is going to join

2537
02:17:39,400 --> 02:17:42,920
Speaker 6: four o'clock. We'll talk about his little uh. Isn't it

2538
02:17:43,000 --> 02:17:44,600
Speaker 6: cute that him and Rank through that little trip up

2539
02:17:44,600 --> 02:17:46,280
Speaker 6: to South End every year. I just think it's fun,

2540
02:17:46,400 --> 02:17:48,360
Speaker 6: just two guys being dudes, right, hopping the car together,

2541
02:17:48,440 --> 02:17:52,120
Speaker 6: see some basketball. We'll talk I you predue Colts all

2542
02:17:52,160 --> 02:17:54,760
Speaker 6: that stuff with Kevin galen Clavey. I'm excited about to

2543
02:17:54,879 --> 02:17:58,200
Speaker 6: Crimson cast. Ty Bow and I used football season talk

2544
02:17:58,240 --> 02:17:59,920
Speaker 6: about their big win over Perdue last night. And then

2545
02:18:00,000 --> 02:18:02,720
Speaker 6: Patrick Talty, president Indiana Sports Court, is going to join

2546
02:18:02,800 --> 02:18:05,560
Speaker 6: us about recording the NFL Draft at the Combine. And

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Speaker 6: they got the men's basketball final fours in town, and

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Speaker 6: they always got stuff cooking at sports Core.

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Speaker 1: Man always all right, Derek's up next, by the way, Eddie,

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Speaker 1: Just so you know, Heather and Connie. That puts us

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Speaker 1: up to thirty eight. Two female listeners chiming in in

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Speaker 1: the last twenty minutes. Heather and Connie, I believe, putting

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Speaker 1: us now to thirty eight. So thank you again to

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Speaker 1: Matt Verderram, thanks to Mike Chappell, thanks to Jeff rab John's.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to all of you for listening, and we will

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Speaker 1: be back with you at noon tomorrow. As always, I

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Speaker 1: thank you for listening to a Quarum Company.