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Speaker 1: Live from the Heartland and the Crossroads of America. It's

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Speaker 1: Tony cats today.

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Speaker 2: When The New York Times writes the story about how

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Speaker 2: Tim Walls has ruined Minnesota, recognizing that the writing over

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Speaker 2: there by the Manhattan Institute at City Journal was accurate

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Speaker 2: and correct, having to give its kudos to people like

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Speaker 2: Christopher Rupo, which must kill the people the New York Times.

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Speaker 2: It is clear by the way it was Christopher Ruffo

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Speaker 2: and Ryan Thorpe writing. It's clear that the story is

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Speaker 2: not only real as we always knew it was, but

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Speaker 2: it is more horrifying than we know. Tony Katz. Tony

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Speaker 2: Katz today, guys, good to be here, Glad you're here.

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Speaker 2: Hope that Thanksgiving was wonderful and joyous. Let us get

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Speaker 2: into it. The fraud in Minnesota is not a bug,

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Speaker 2: but a feature. It is a fraud allowed by progressives

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Speaker 2: who feel the absolute need to never question anything, especially

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Speaker 2: when it comes to their progressive bona fides. And how

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Speaker 2: could anyone question Somali nationals living in Minneapolis. Well, that

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Speaker 2: would just be racist. And if you didn't know it,

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Speaker 2: the Somalis told you it would be. Let's start where

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Speaker 2: the story begins. This initial reporting from RUFO and Thorpe

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Speaker 2: which talks about how these programs in Minnesota, these programs

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Speaker 2: that were designated to help those in need, were built

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Speaker 2: out of millions and millions of dollars, and that money

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Speaker 2: could very well have ended up back in Somalia.

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Speaker 3: Supporting a terrorist group called Al Jabab.

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Speaker 2: The conversation of whether that data did not happen, whether

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Speaker 2: or not the money is there, that is something that

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Speaker 2: is still for some people in a state of flux,

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Speaker 2: still an investigation. What is not an investigation is that

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Speaker 2: Minnesota was paying out more money to these Somali nationals

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Speaker 2: and these organizations that said they were helping people during COVID,

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Speaker 2: more money than it takes the Department of Corrections to

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Speaker 2: run itself in a year, meaning whatever it is the

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Speaker 2: Department Corrections budget is. This was more more than a

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Speaker 2: billion dollars in taxpayer money. The story goes that when

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Speaker 2: COVID came about, well we have to feed people. I

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Speaker 2: don't know what one thing has to do with another,

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Speaker 2: but you go, okay, you have to feed people. Sure well,

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Speaker 2: we have to give money and organizations are going to

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Speaker 2: help us feed people and people who are of a

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Speaker 2: non decent sort and by the way, there are non

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Speaker 3: We'll get to this.

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Speaker 2: They said, Aha, a perfect let's go get some of

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Speaker 2: that loop. And there were groups out of restaurants that

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Speaker 2: hold thirty five people claiming that they were feeding eighteen

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Speaker 2: thousand people a day. Now you say to me, Tony,

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Speaker 2: that's not possible. Anybody could realize that there's no way

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Speaker 2: a restaurant was feeding eighteen thousand people a day.

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Speaker 3: That's just not possible.

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Speaker 2: When you have a liberal government, a progressive government, the waste, fraud,

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Speaker 2: and abuse is not a bug, it is a feature.

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Speaker 2: Bad people are put in positions of power, people who

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Speaker 2: do not know anything, people who do know how to

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Speaker 2: you feel rather than the economic result, because there's always

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Speaker 2: a tax dollar to take or to levy in order

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Speaker 3: On its face, I should.

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Speaker 2: Say a program for the left is not viewed as

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Speaker 3: A fundamental flaw in the thinking.

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Speaker 2: Anybody of a rational metal would know that there's no

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Speaker 2: But the leftist says, oh wow, look how well this

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Speaker 2: These programs off run by Somali nationals meeting people from

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Speaker 2: Somalia who've been allowed into the United States given this

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Speaker 2: glorious opportunity. They're stealing the money. They're buying luxury cars,

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Speaker 2: run your business. They're profiting off of the tax dollars

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Speaker 2: you still have to pay. That's what happened. That is

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Speaker 2: the story of what happened in Minnesota. This started as

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Speaker 2: an investigation going back to twenty twenty two. It's actually

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Speaker 2: And if they're offended by that, I just don't care.

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Speaker 2: Facts are facts. They referred to this in the Biden

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Speaker 2: administration under Merrick Garland as the largest pandemic relief fraud

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Speaker 2: scheme in the country, and they looked at a nonprofit

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Speaker 2: that even mafia guys back in Brooklyn were like, my god, Paulie,

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Speaker 2: did you see that? Do you see what they did that? Paulie?

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Speaker 2: Why do we concrete? Paulie?

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Speaker 3: Come well, we think no show jobs. Another look at

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Speaker 3: these people. Blah ah, bravo. I'm gonna say, a couple

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Speaker 3: a mole. You're gonna learn how to do this right.

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Speaker 3: Good work, good work, people, well done.

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Speaker 2: The difference is those guys, those Italian guys, they feed children.

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Speaker 3: So the state agencies reimbursed the group.

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Speaker 2: And its partners for all these invoices, the claims that

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Speaker 2: they fed ten to thousands of children. The meals were

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Speaker 2: non existent. They invested in real estate projects overseas. Everything.

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Speaker 2: They start going through bank records, they're looking at this,

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Speaker 2: that and the other, and they find more and more

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Speaker 3: That they were at risk for homelessness.

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Speaker 2: There was the conversation of those who claimed that their

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Speaker 2: children had autism and also, they can get some of

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Speaker 2: your money. Now, you could argue Hey, Tony, this was

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Speaker 2: just in Minnesota. It's just Minnesota's money.

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Speaker 3: Is that what we think?

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Speaker 2: It was just Minnesota's money? Do we think this fraud

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Speaker 2: isn't happening everywhere? I didn't say there weren't Americans involved

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Speaker 2: in fraud. There absolutely are. But as I said, I'll

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Speaker 2: get to that. They have this program in Minnesota, which

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Speaker 2: was originally budgeted in twenty twenty for two point six

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Speaker 2: four million dollars. That seventy people used it, that seventy

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Speaker 3: When the word went forth.

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Speaker 2: That there was a problem, Department of Education officials in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty saying they were overwhelmed by the number of

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Speaker 2: out the scams super quick.

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Speaker 3: They started asking about these.

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Speaker 2: Invoices, they said, as rational people would, we asked who

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Speaker 3: They said, Hey, is this right?

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Speaker 2: Feeding our future? The main nonprofit responded with an email saying.

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Speaker 3: Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa? Are you questioning us?

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Speaker 3: Are you questioning us?

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Speaker 2: If you if you question us, well, we're just gonna

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Speaker 2: we're gonna have to say that you're a racist.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have to say that you're a racist.

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Speaker 2: And we're going to have to make accusations of racism,

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Speaker 2: and these accusations would be quote.

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Speaker 3: Sprawled across the news unquote.

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Speaker 2: Why don't you just approve every minority business we send

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Speaker 2: and everything will be okay. Translation, that's a nice cushy

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Speaker 3: It'd be a shame if something happened to it. Paulie.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you these people, these people in Minnihabit, with

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Speaker 3: You, Paulie, Oh, they know how to do it.

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Speaker 2: Paulie, Palie, I'm gonna send you that five day intensive course.

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Speaker 3: All right. You gotta have to bring your own brabagoula.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about that food or nothing, but my gosh,

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Speaker 3: these people. Bravo, bravo, look at that, Paulie. Are you

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Speaker 3: watching this?

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Speaker 2: The Somalis? And I say it that way because that's.

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Speaker 3: What we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: And some people are gonna claim that I'm engaged in racism.

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Speaker 2: And those people can kiss any part of me. They

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Speaker 2: choose accept certain parts because I don't allow that from

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Speaker 3: And if you don't like it, I just don't care.

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Speaker 3: But we care. We're gonna discuss this honestly. The way you're.

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Speaker 2: Trying to stop us from having a conversation because we're

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Speaker 2: talking about Samalis is the way Somalis tried to stop

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Speaker 2: screaming racism, that dog won't hunt.

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Speaker 3: We're past that.

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Speaker 2: At one moment, there was a trial and they tried

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Speaker 2: Defendants in the trial were found to have arranged to

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Speaker 3: To New York Times containing one hundred.

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Speaker 2: And twenty thousand dollars to a jur along with a

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Speaker 2: note that read, why why Why is it always people

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Speaker 2: And somewhere Ibram Kendy takes a bow. Tim Walls wants

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Speaker 2: Tim Walls is the reason this happens, Tony, What about

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Speaker 2: the smalleies.

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Speaker 3: I said I would get to it. Let a guy

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Speaker 3: a little builds up. Come on. Every single issue.

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Speaker 2: In a world run by progressives is not a bug,

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Speaker 2: It is a feature. The fires come in Hawaii, they

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Speaker 2: The fires come in the Palisades and the firefighters are saying, well,

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Speaker 2: what are we supposed to do? I'm sorry, not the firefighters,

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Speaker 2: the leadership, the lesbian deputy chief who wants to say, well,

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Speaker 2: The problem is you're in the wrong place at the

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Speaker 3: That was her response. They didn't know how to deal

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Speaker 2: Everywhere you look when there is an absolute failure. Remember

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Speaker 2: it's like Afghan nationals. We have a national guardship. Deed,

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Speaker 2: I'll get to that. Well, we vetted these people. Clearly

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Speaker 2: you didn't vet these people. Yet you screamed about vetting

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Speaker 2: these people and how much work you did.

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Speaker 3: Oh if you don't believe us. You're just a racist.

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Speaker 2: Same story, different results, except same story, same result. The

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Speaker 2: failure of progressivism is this bad people, incompetent people in

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Speaker 2: the other way on programs to allow the worst people

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Speaker 2: to thrive. And then any question about it is well,

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Speaker 2: you must be a bigot, and they feel all good

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Speaker 2: and righteous about themselves.

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Speaker 3: The disaster is not a bug. It is a feature.

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Speaker 2: And Tim Walls is the poster child for that feature

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Speaker 2: of failure.

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Speaker 3: But what are the Somali nationals? I'm so glad you asked.

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Speaker 2: President Trump is right, take away all temporary protected status

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Speaker 2: and deport anybody who is connected who is not an

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Speaker 2: American citizen lawful status. You're not a citizen. Goodbye temporary

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Speaker 2: you're working your way through the process.

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Speaker 3: You're gone. You're a relative. You're gone.

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Speaker 2: And you say to me, that's not fair, with all

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Speaker 2: due respect, fairness is not the conversation here, because a

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Speaker 2: fairness is the conversation. What was fair to the citizens

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Speaker 2: of Minnesota, or to Americans who just got fleeced for

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Speaker 2: a billion dollars for possible support of terrorist organizations? For

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz, this is Tony kats. In the normal course

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Speaker 2: YouTube, just YouTube dot com Saze Tony Katz, Twitter ex

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Speaker 3: What's going on.

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Speaker 2: It's very groovy Facebook, Tony Cats Radio. I don't think

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Speaker 3: The story from.

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Speaker 2: Miranda Divines about this report is that Cash Rettel wants

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Speaker 3: But tell no. Do I agree, just like Pam.

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Speaker 2: Bondi, that not enough movement has taking place from the FBI,

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Speaker 2: and there have been some bad pressers. Yes, it's an

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Speaker 2: interesting story. I'm Tony Kash when I'm trying to figure

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Speaker 3: I don't know is being set up for war crimes.

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Speaker 2: I always check in with Sonny Hostin at the View

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Speaker 2: That I don't believe you're supposed to take people or

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Speaker 3: Just for the record, that is a lot. That's a

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Speaker 2: There were survivors, they went back and they killed the survivors.

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Speaker 3: Now give me evidence, Now show me. Trump is already

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Speaker 3: I do not know the law about it. I'm finding out,

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Speaker 2: What is the standard when dealing with an enemy that

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Speaker 3: How does one do these things? What is the standard here?

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Speaker 2: Remember if someone told me we were just blowing up

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Speaker 2: In case you're ever wondering exactly how much the political

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Speaker 2: What Mark Kelly was saying was don't listen to the

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Speaker 7: Well, let me start by saying, I've sunk two boats,

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Speaker 7: the Persian Gulf durin the First Gulf War. Never once

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Speaker 7: did I question whether those orders were legal or illegal.

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Speaker 7: People can tell the differ diference, should be able to

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Speaker 7: tell the difference between something.

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Speaker 3: Else whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa.

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Speaker 2: He that was involved in two events didn't question the

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Speaker 2: orders and then makes a statement that puts an end

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Speaker 2: to the concept of the chain of commands.

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Speaker 7: Never once did I question whether those orders were legal

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Speaker 7: or illegal.

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Speaker 8: People can tell the difference.

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Speaker 7: Should be able to tell the difference between something that

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Speaker 7: is unlawful and something that is lawful.

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Speaker 2: If people could tell the difference between something that is

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Speaker 2: lawful and something that is unlawful, we wouldn't need lawyers.

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Speaker 2: There would be no crime. We wouldn't have laws on

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Speaker 2: the books. What the hell are you talking about now,

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Speaker 2: I never wore the uniforms, so my military people are

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Speaker 2: more than welcome to chime in, so is everybody else.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to bet all of the money in my

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Speaker 2: pocket against all the money in your pocket that if

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Speaker 2: we are leaving it to the corporal to decide at

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Speaker 2: the age of twenty and a half what is illegal

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Speaker 2: order and what is an illegal order, the military would

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Speaker 2: fall apart in according to my Fledterman Von Reeste's time

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Speaker 2: here five minutes. No wait, I'm sorry, I read that wrong.

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Speaker 2: Five seconds. If we're relying on the private to determine

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Speaker 2: whether or not he should take the hill because the

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Speaker 2: order might be illegal, the whole system falls apart.

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Speaker 3: It falls apart.

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Speaker 2: The statement here from Senator Mark Kelly is not only

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Speaker 2: a stupid one, but under the most very basic scrutiny,

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Speaker 2: not under the scrutiny of military experts.

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Speaker 3: Not under the scrutiny of historians.

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Speaker 2: Not under the scrutiny of people who attended the War College,

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Speaker 2: not under the scrutiny of anybody who has a deep

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Speaker 2: knowledge base of the dopey radio host. It fell apart

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Speaker 2: in actually less time than military would.

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Speaker 3: Tell me more about how Mark.

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Speaker 2: Kelly is a guy who's a serious contender for the presidency. Now,

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Speaker 2: what a statement to make, and what a fool will

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Speaker 2: believe to listen to him and say he's right. People

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Speaker 2: should know the difference. And he is stating no longer

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Speaker 2: is it what he's really saying. He is stating that

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Speaker 2: we should not have a chain of command, that the

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Speaker 2: chain of command does not have value, that the chain

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Speaker 2: of command is not working. He is stating that witness president,

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Speaker 2: witness administration duly elected by the people, that the chain

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Speaker 2: of command is broken, and that the person on the

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Speaker 2: front line should simply say no, that they know better.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, if it's not treasonous, what's the word?

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Speaker 2: You know? There was this conversation that Hegseth should call

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Speaker 2: him back to service and then try him. I said,

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Speaker 2: all right, that's interesting. What he did was awful. And

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Speaker 2: then some people said, well, you can't really do that. No, no, no,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you can't really do that. If

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Speaker 2: it can happen, it should happen. Because Mark Kelly is

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Speaker 2: a danger. Let the justice system handle it, guys, but

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Speaker 2: let it get handled.

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Speaker 3: I'm Tony Katz. So the story states.

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Speaker 2: That the Black Friday spend was eleven point eight billion

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Speaker 2: dollars and that's online only. Total Black Friday spending eighteen

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Speaker 2: billion dollars. And I'm telling you I cannot make hide

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Speaker 2: nor hair of this economy, know how, Tony Katz, Tony

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Speaker 2: Katz today, great to be with you. You had, Like

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Speaker 2: here's a couple of the headline pieces. The Dow was down,

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Speaker 2: the Nasdaq was down, Bitcoin massively, massively down. Now full disclosure.

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Speaker 2: I do not own enough bitcoin to count. I never have.

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Speaker 2: That's that's that's my fault. If you own crypto, it

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Speaker 2: has not been fun. I didn't bet the house on it.

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Speaker 2: I'll be fine. I just like full disclosure. While that

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Speaker 2: is happening, gold prices continue to go up. They were

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Speaker 2: up over forty two hundred dollars. Silver at fifty eight

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Speaker 2: dollars an ounce. Can't believe it. Can't believe it. By

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Speaker 2: the way, I did have silver. I sold mine at

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Speaker 2: fifty one. That's right, genius. Honestly, I think selling early

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Speaker 2: is okay. I did well, and I moved on and

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Speaker 2: I leave it there.

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Speaker 3: Oh please.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't like I was making some kind of massive transfer.

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Speaker 2: I had a small amount. I sold the small amounts.

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Speaker 2: Everything was okay. People selling it fifty eight did better

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Speaker 2: than I did, depending on how they bought it. The

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Speaker 2: pressure metals up. That's a hedge against inflation. But oil

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Speaker 2: price is still is under sixty dollars a barrel. The

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Speaker 2: tenuere treasury has brought itself down to four percent and

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Speaker 2: last week, at the end of last week, it was

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Speaker 2: actually under four percent. And we see that eighteen billion

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Speaker 2: dollars was spent on Black Friday, and I don't believe

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Speaker 2: that includes what takes place over the weekend or today,

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Speaker 2: which is known as Cyber Monday.

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Speaker 3: What we do know is people bought more luxury.

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Speaker 2: Goods and bought less of them, so they bought higher

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Speaker 2: ticket items and less higher ticket and less items altogether.

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Speaker 2: You tell me what this is supposed to mean. People

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Speaker 2: are spending, People are taking out of things that are

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Speaker 2: in the not to make a pun ether and maybe

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Speaker 2: going for more understood goods like gold, silver and luxury items.

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Speaker 2: The interest rates are not jumping up, which if they

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Speaker 2: stay at this four percent and get under could keep

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Speaker 2: some houses selling.

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Speaker 3: You explain to me what's going on crazy?

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Speaker 2: Also, are we gonna find that everybody did their buying

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Speaker 2: on Black Friday.

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Speaker 3: And now it's done. How much money are people going

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Speaker 3: to spend?

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Speaker 2: By the way, that eleven point eight billion from Black

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Speaker 2: Friday and online sales up nine point one percent from

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Speaker 2: last year. Eleven point eight billion up nine point one percent. Man,

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Speaker 2: some people are making money out there somewhere right.

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Speaker 1: Why From vall Hartbeyer and the Crossroads of America, It's

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Speaker 1: Tony Katz Today.

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Speaker 3: White House press briefing close.

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Speaker 2: To the beginning. Everybody is getting into their seats. I

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Speaker 2: believe they're serving cheesecake. What they don't They don't serve

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Speaker 2: cheesecake at the That's not much of a press briefing.

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Speaker 2: If I was press secretary, I would serve cheesecake. Just

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Speaker 2: the mood for cheesecake. Tony Kats, Tony Kats today, guys,

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Speaker 2: good to be here, Good to be with you find

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Speaker 2: everything over at Tony kats dot com.

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Speaker 3: Waiting on the press briefing to begin.

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Speaker 2: And while we are, let's check in with the good

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Speaker 2: people over there at CNN to see what they have

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Speaker 2: to say about the economy.

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Speaker 7: They's seeing gas prices below three dollars for the first

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Speaker 7: time in years.

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Speaker 3: Let's get to see end as Matt Egan for the

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Speaker 3: good news on this. Yeah, absolutely, it's.

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Speaker 7: Nice to finally be here with some good news on

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Speaker 7: the cost of living front.

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Speaker 8: So for the first time in four and a half years, gas.

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Speaker 2: Prices are averaging three dollars a gallon National in Court

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Speaker 2: in triple A, down by seventh cents in just the

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Speaker 2: past week.

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Speaker 9: Gaspers were low a year ago as well, but they're

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Speaker 9: even cheaper now.

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Speaker 3: Huh. So energy costs are better.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's that is going to hit the Democratic CARTI

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Speaker 2: hardists because I was told that everything is more expensive

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Speaker 2: and we're all going to die.

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Speaker 3: I still don't say that.

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Speaker 2: The White House could go out there and out to

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Speaker 2: economic success and say, man, look how great things are.

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Speaker 3: Oh look how good?

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Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no no no no no, no

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Speaker 2: no no, you cannot do that.

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Speaker 3: But some things are better.

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Speaker 2: And the White House does, as we've said here from

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Speaker 2: the beginning, needs to do a better job of saying it.

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Speaker 2: Scott Bessett needs to do a better job of messaging it,

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Speaker 2: and they have been.

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Speaker 3: Now you can't message what isn't real.

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Speaker 2: So stop messaging us on food prices and oh look

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Speaker 2: how Thanksgiving dinner was less expensive.

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Speaker 3: That was always dumb.

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Speaker 2: That was the Biden administration telling us that a fourth

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Speaker 2: of July picnic or cookout was sixteen cents less this year.

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Speaker 2: What do you stop it? Stop it?

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Speaker 3: That is insulting. Stop insulting us. Now. One of the

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Speaker 3: things that what they want to do.

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Speaker 2: Is let you know that the good times are coming.

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Speaker 2: This is about setting things up for the midterms. Well, right,

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Speaker 2: you need to set things up for the midterms. This

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Speaker 2: was Kevin Hassett discussing this on Face the Nation.

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Speaker 10: Well, first of all, you mentioned quite accurately the one

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Speaker 10: point four percent increase in grocery prices. I think the

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Speaker 10: interesting thing about that is that that's way below the

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Speaker 10: FEDS target of two for everything else, right, and so

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Speaker 10: you'd have to concede that one point four percent is

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Speaker 10: very very low inflation. And so I think that the

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Speaker 10: bottom line is that we've got the big, beautiful bill

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Speaker 10: cutting taxes out, overtime taxes for tips and so on,

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Speaker 10: and all that money is going to start to be

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Speaker 10: in people's pockets. So that's why they're optimistic about next year.

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Speaker 10: Scott Besson said last week that he's looking at first

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Speaker 10: half of next year that could be in the four

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Speaker 10: percent range. And the reason is that we passed the

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Speaker 10: tax cuts in July and so they didn't have time

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Speaker 10: to change all the tax forms at everything, and so

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Speaker 10: people are going to get really really big refunds in

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Speaker 10: the fall as well, and so so we're really optimistic,

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Speaker 10: and we think that the good news around Thanksgiving is

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Speaker 10: the sign of something that's even stronger to come.

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Speaker 3: So sorry to the people in the chat who weren't hearing.

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Speaker 2: That audio right there for a bit in the live stream.

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Speaker 2: You want to tell us that the good times are

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Speaker 2: going to come when the one big beautiful bill goes

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Speaker 2: into full effect.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, then it's got to come.

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Speaker 2: If you want to tout no tax on tips and

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Speaker 2: no tax on this and no tax on that, it

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Speaker 2: has to come now. By the way, I should admit

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Speaker 2: that I opposed the idea of no tax on tips.

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Speaker 2: I want no tax on my labor. I want no

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Speaker 2: income tax at all. I don't see why I don't

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Speaker 2: get a deal that other people get. Why can't I

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Speaker 2: be compensated this way?

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Speaker 3: And then you.

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Speaker 2: Created a system by which I can't be compensated this way.

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Speaker 3: I found the whole thing offensive.

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Speaker 2: I I was prepared, I had, I had a very

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Speaker 2: large negotiation to do for my for my radio deal,

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Speaker 2: which is now all done. And I was watching this

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Speaker 2: very carefully because I absolutely would have set it up

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Speaker 2: so that I get I get paid as a tip.

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Speaker 2: Why Why why would I pay taxes I don't have

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Speaker 2: to pay? Well, that seems that seems nutty. I'm not

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Speaker 2: trying to prove anything here. If I can avoid paying

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Speaker 2: the taxes in a legal way, I do just that,

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Speaker 2: so does everybody else, just like you should. Well, you're

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Speaker 2: cheating the government out of No, I'm not cheating anybody.

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Speaker 2: It's my money, and they don't deserve any part of

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Speaker 2: my labor whatsoever. There are other things they can do

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Speaker 2: and engage taxes on, and you're also not engaged talking

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Speaker 2: about what we do via private charity. But we'll we'll

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Speaker 2: save that, we'll save that adjust for a little bit.

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Speaker 2: My point to the White House is now you must

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Speaker 2: deliver on that. If the one big beautiful bill doesn't

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Speaker 2: kick in until January first, and that's when these things

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Speaker 2: are gonna happen, everyone's gonna get.

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Speaker 3: Big tax returns.

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Speaker 2: Show us, show us the big tax returns.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I do not think that's going to be a part

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Speaker 2: of the conversation here. I don't think. Although there's no

661
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Speaker 2: doubt that if I'm Caroline Levitt discussing that gas prices

662
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Speaker 2: are down, this is down.

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Speaker 3: That's down.

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Speaker 2: That's going to happen, that's going to take place, But

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Speaker 2: I don't if you cannot guarantee it, and which is

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Speaker 2: kind of what you're doing.

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Speaker 3: Hey, wait till this kicks in.

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Speaker 2: Then you'll see it's got a touch of we have

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Speaker 2: to pass the bill. So you know, it's in a

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Speaker 2: kind of ub you never want that vibe, but more importantly,

671
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Speaker 2: you have to be able to deliver on it. Now

672
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Speaker 2: we're getting ready for the press briefing, and more and

673
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Speaker 2: more people are speaking out about this drug boat strike.

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Speaker 3: Where here we are.

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Speaker 2: We've got fifteen thousand troops in the Caribbean, we have

676
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Speaker 2: eleven warships in the Caribbean.

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Speaker 3: We're taking out these drug boats.

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Speaker 2: And did an order come for the US military to

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Speaker 2: go back and kill survivors of one of these attacks

680
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Speaker 2: on a drug boat? Three people survived and we or

681
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Speaker 2: did we not go back and kill them? The members

682
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Speaker 2: of the acclaimed nonsense media seem to believe that they

683
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Speaker 2: have some kind of deep understanding about this and are

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Speaker 2: engaged in well doing what they do.

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Speaker 11: All the Washington Post reporting fabricated inflammatory. He also said

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Speaker 11: this quote, Our current operations in the Caribbean are lawful

687
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Speaker 11: under both US and international law, with all actions in

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Speaker 11: compliance with the law of armed conflict and approved by

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Speaker 11: the best military and civilian lawyers up and down the

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Speaker 11: chain of command.

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Speaker 3: Have they proved that do they.

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Speaker 8: Have to prove that?

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Speaker 4: Well? They have improven it but again, if they're so

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Speaker 4: confident they should welcome public inquiry.

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Speaker 2: What that's a Richard haass, If they're so confident they

696
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Speaker 2: should welcome public inquiry, can I ask what that means?

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Speaker 3: I mean, does he explain what that means?

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Speaker 4: Honest?

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Speaker 8: Peter correctly said.

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Speaker 4: The issue is not simply this alleged second strike against

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Speaker 4: people who aren't posing a threat and couldn't defend themselves.

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Speaker 4: But there's the first strike issue whether this makes sense

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Speaker 4: as a legitimate military mission. And I'd say if there's

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Speaker 4: something before a first order question, it's the larger issue

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Speaker 4: of what we're doing off the coast of Venezuela.

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Speaker 2: Now I've stated this, I think that's a rational question.

707
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's a rational thing to say that

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Speaker 2: first you have any clue as to whether or not

709
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Speaker 2: this happened. This is just a report from the Washington Post.

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Speaker 2: Who knows if they could be believed. I would error

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Speaker 2: to the side of absolutely not. But what publican career

712
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Speaker 2: do you think is not going to happen? What does

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Speaker 2: public inquiry mean that we questioned the military. We questioned

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Speaker 2: the military all the time. We spent twenty years in

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Speaker 2: Afghanistan building a military and they folded in five minutes

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Speaker 2: because the generals that you told me were geniuses and

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Speaker 2: could not be questioned, taught them how to fight in

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Speaker 2: an air support military in they don't know how to

719
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Speaker 2: do that, and you couldn't guarantee the air support. They

720
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Speaker 2: couldn't keep an eye on plance aims. They weren't able

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Speaker 2: to fly any planes. The whole military collapsed, Like cavalry

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Speaker 2: might have made a better idea, or cavalry or light

723
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Speaker 2: imagery might have made a better idea for Afghans. By

724
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Speaker 2: the way, why are we training them? They were able

725
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Speaker 2: to push out the freaking Russians. Maybe they've got a

726
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Speaker 2: hold of these things. They fell to the Taliban in

727
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Speaker 2: less than an hour. When Joe Biden said, none of

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Speaker 2: our intelligence says that that's going.

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Speaker 3: To happen, it happened. It happened.

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Speaker 2: Public inquiry, You mean we're not going to have a

731
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Speaker 2: couple of members of Congress asked questions.

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Speaker 3: There isn't going to be a hearing.

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Speaker 2: We're not going to see hag set in front of

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Speaker 2: a committee. There should be a public inquiry. And now

735
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Speaker 2: people are going to go out there and say, yes,

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Speaker 2: there should be a public inquiry. Sometimes they say words

737
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Speaker 2: because well, they don't know what they're saying. But if

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Speaker 2: they say this thing that sounds important, everyone say my, yes,

739
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Speaker 2: my gosh, yes, this is so very very important. I

740
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Speaker 2: think it's okay for us to ask what is the

741
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Speaker 2: standard here? What is the legality here? What the cable

742
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Speaker 2: news outlets are trying to do is figure out how

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Speaker 2: Pete Hegseth and Donald Trump are guilty, whether or not

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Speaker 2: they are. They want to use this to say, well,

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Speaker 2: I guess Senator Mark Kelly was right, you can't follow

746
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Speaker 2: them in legal orders. They don't know if it's illegal,

747
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 2: and they don't care. They do not care what is.

748
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Speaker 2: They only care what they can get done to damage

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Speaker 2: their political opponents and get power. White House Press briefing

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Speaker 2: coming up. Keep it here on Tony Katz. This is

751
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Speaker 2: Tony Katz today. White House Press Briefings schedule to begin. Meanwhile,

752
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Speaker 2: China is not happy with Japan. I know that most

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Speaker 2: people are paying attention to what's going on in Venezuela.

754
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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that you shouldn't. You absolutely should.

755
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Speaker 2: There's a clear action going on here, and I am

756
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Speaker 2: very surprised, and I'll get into it that Congress has

757
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 2: not demanded more oversight, demanded a declaration of war something

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Speaker 2: Tony Kaks, Tony Kaks today.

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Speaker 3: Good to be here, Good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: I take you to this story over here about Japan,

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Speaker 2: where the new Prime Minister, Sunday Takaichi, has decided to

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Speaker 2: move missiles to an island near Taiwan. China says this

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Speaker 2: is deliberate to create regional tension and provoke military confrontation.

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Speaker 3: I'm not one hundred percent sure.

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Speaker 2: If that's the case, but it's meant to get China's attention,

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Speaker 2: and that works. Why is Japan interested in China's attention?

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Speaker 2: We always should at least note the longstanding hundreds, if

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Speaker 2: not thousands. I would leave that to others. I'll say

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Speaker 2: hundreds of years of hatred between China and Japan. Claiming

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Speaker 2: no expertise, there is no love here. China was not

771
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Speaker 2: always this China. China had to deal with the subjugation

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Speaker 2: of the Japanese Empire. There is no love loss. Today's China,

773
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Speaker 2: this communist hellscape, is desirous of full on hegenomic power.

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Speaker 2: They want to be the dominant power throughout the Pacific

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Speaker 2: room and the conversation of This really gets into the

776
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Speaker 2: idea of whether or not to this idea of China

777
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Speaker 2: is going to take that hemisphere, and we're going to

778
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Speaker 2: keep our hemisphere, and that's how we're going to have

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Speaker 2: a little bit of datan.

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Speaker 3: That's how it's gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: That's why you see eleven warships right now in the

782
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Speaker 2: Caribbean taking a look at Venezuela going hello, by the way,

783
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Speaker 2: that's going to.

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Speaker 3: Become a meme if you see the video of that.

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Speaker 2: I realize while I'm doing it, I may have made

786
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Speaker 2: a dreadful mistake. China wants Taiwan. China wants the Taiwan Straits.

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Speaker 2: It wants the South China Sea, It wants.

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Speaker 3: The Yellow Sea.

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Speaker 2: It wants control of not only the fishing, it wants

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Speaker 2: control of the cargo. It wants control of everything in

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Speaker 2: the area. Japan under Takaichi seems to have no wants

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Speaker 2: for that to happen and seems to be very, very

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Speaker 2: willing to fight China, stating that right wing forces in

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Speaker 2: Japan are leading Japan and the region toward disaster. Beijing

795
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Speaker 2: is determined and capable of safeguarding its national territory.

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Speaker 3: Royal Defense Japan is making a statement that's.

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Speaker 2: What is ours is ours, and we don't think anything

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Speaker 2: should belong to you. We simply have no interest in

799
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Speaker 2: being some type of never mind, vassal state. We have

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Speaker 2: no interest in being isolated from our ability to trade

801
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Speaker 2: and to work and to be living a good and

802
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Speaker 2: safe life. We're going to protect this island, and we're

803
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Speaker 2: going to do so through what what Major Mike Lyons,

804
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Speaker 2: military analysts who retired United States Army who you here

805
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Speaker 2: on this show, referred to as visible leverage. That's what

806
00:51:54,920 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 2: he refers to Trump's doctrine as visible leverage.

807
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Speaker 3: And what we're going to do is show you.

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Speaker 2: Now we all understand that China has far more people

809
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Speaker 2: and more dollars and could do far more damage. I

810
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Speaker 2: want to share a longstanding theory that I've had about China.

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Speaker 2: I believe I think it's Gordon Changho believes this also.

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Speaker 2: I believe that China is a paper tiger. It is

813
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Speaker 2: my strongest feeling that if China were ever really punched

814
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Speaker 2: in the nose, they would not know how to respond.

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Speaker 2: China talks big, China talks smack. China talks tough. It's

816
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Speaker 2: part of their charm, but China has never really been

817
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 2: confronted did and has never gotten punched. No, No, I'd

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Speaker 2: rather none of it happen now. I'm not saying I'm

819
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Speaker 2: looking for it. I'm not saying I want it. I'm

820
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 2: not saying any of us need it. We'd be better

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Speaker 2: off if Xijin Bing wasn't there and they weren't a

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Speaker 2: communist nation. I am not saying that I want the

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Speaker 2: war or a fight or anything else.

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying is.

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Speaker 2: China's never taken a punch, and China reacts very aggressively

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Speaker 2: to simple moves and twice as aggressively the larger scale moves.

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Speaker 2: This will sometimes keep people from making the move at all.

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Speaker 3: Those people are wrong.

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Speaker 2: This is an unbelievable show of strength from Takeichi. Unbelievable

830
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Speaker 2: show of strength. Taipei, of course meaning Taiwan, saying that

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Speaker 2: Japan has the right to take the steps needed to protect.

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Speaker 3: The security of its territory.

833
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 2: Japan's strengthening of its relevant military facilities is basically helpful

834
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Speaker 2: to maintaining security in the Taiwan Straits, so, of course

835
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Speaker 2: this is helpful to our national interests.

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Speaker 3: As Japan has no territorial.

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Speaker 2: Designs or hostility towards Taiwan. Things are gearing up. I'm

838
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Speaker 2: very curious if we see a move from Australia soon.

839
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 2: The Aussees have a lot to lose. Why do you

840
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Speaker 2: think we as a nation are starting to build submarines

841
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 2: in Australian ports. Maybe China does get that hemisphere, but

842
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean the other nations of that hemisphere want

843
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Speaker 2: China to have it.

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Speaker 3: White House press briefing, that's common. This is Tony Kax today.

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Speaker 2: So if I understand it right, Michael Douglas and Catherine

846
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Speaker 2: Zada Jones are upset that their son got embarrassed by

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Speaker 2: Scott Jennings, and people are upset with.

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Speaker 3: Nicky Haley's kid. I gotta get into that, Tony Katz.

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Speaker 2: Tony Katz today, but we've got a White House Press

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Speaker 2: briefing right now. Caroline Levitt speaking, Let's bring it to her.

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Speaker 12: Will host his ninth Cabinet meeting of the year, alongside

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Speaker 12: his incredible cabinet, who continue to deliver for the American

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Speaker 12: people at a record pace. Later in the afternoon tomorrow,

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Speaker 12: the President will make an announcement in the Oval Office

855
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Speaker 12: on his initiative to create Trump accounts to give the

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Speaker 12: next generation of American an announcement in the Oval Office

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Speaker 12: on his initiation to create Trump Accounts to give the

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Speaker 12: next generation of Americans a jump.

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Speaker 8: Start on savings. It will be a very.

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Speaker 12: Exciting announcement, indeed, especially for all of the parents across

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Speaker 12: the country with young children and babies. On Thursday, President

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Speaker 12: Trump will the presidents of the Republic of Rwanda and

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Speaker 12: the Democratic Republic of Congo to sign the historic Peace

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Speaker 12: and Economic Agreement that he broke. Heed On Thursday night,

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Speaker 12: the President and the First Lady will celebrate one of

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Speaker 12: America's greatest traditions, the lighting of the National Christmas Tree

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Speaker 12: on the Ellipse. And on Friday, President Trump will attend

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Speaker 12: the FIFA World Cup Final jaw at the Kennedy Center.

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Speaker 12: You all will be seeing and hearing from the President

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Speaker 12: every day this week.

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Speaker 3: So, okay, what tree thing going on there?

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Speaker 2: Portland had their tree lighting, but they didn't call it

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Speaker 2: a Christmas tree. They just called it a tree lighting.

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Speaker 2: They couldn't call it a Christmas tree. You understand that

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Speaker 2: they not like us. I'm Jewish, I call it a

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Speaker 2: Christmas tree. It's a Christmas tree.

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Speaker 3: Light it up. It looks beautiful. Somebody give me some

878
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 3: coco president, I'll move on my day.

879
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Speaker 2: Well, no, no, no, we can't have Christmas in the

880
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Speaker 2: town square.

881
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Speaker 3: That's a violation. It's not a violation. We get it. Yeah,

882
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 3: hate Western civilization.

883
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Speaker 2: You want to go after Christians any way you can,

884
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 2: And if you can't do it the way they do

885
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Speaker 2: it in Sudan.

886
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 3: Or in Nigeria, you'll do it this way. We got you.

887
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 2: We understand that you're jealous of how Christians are persecuted

888
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 2: in African nations. But no, no, no, no, we'll start with

889
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 2: this work our way up. It's embarrassing already. Back to

890
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Speaker 2: the briefing nobly difficult time.

891
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Speaker 12: Sarah and Andrew represent the very best of America, two

892
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 12: young patriots who were willing to put on the uniform

893
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 12: and risk their lives in defense of their fellow Americans.

894
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 12: Both of them truly embody the profound words spoken by

895
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Speaker 12: Jesus Christ in the Gospel. Greater love has no one

896
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 12: than this, to lay down one's life for one's friends.

897
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 12: Sarah and Andrew are heroes, and we will never forget

898
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 12: their sacrifice. That means ensuring the monster responsible for this

899
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Speaker 12: atrocity is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

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Speaker 8: And faces the most severe punishment.

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Speaker 2: She's talking about the Afghan national who killed a National

902
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Speaker 2: Guard member, Sarah Beksham, and wounded another National Guard member

903
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 2: in DC over the.

904
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Speaker 8: Weekends it was gunned down.

905
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 12: Who gunned down American soldiers blocks away from the White

906
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 12: House and in Anne Bush was an Afghan national who

907
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 12: was flown into our country by Joe Biden's administration in

908
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 12: September twenty twenty one in the chaotic wake of their

909
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 12: botch withdrawal from Afghanistan. One of the most embarrassing moments

910
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 12: in the history of our great country. Joe Biden's historic

911
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 12: failure in Afghanistan continues to haunt this country and.

912
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 8: Our men and women in uniform.

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Speaker 12: Not only did this surrender lead to a suicide bombing

914
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Speaker 12: that killed thirteen American heroes in Kabul, but now National

915
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 12: Guard troops were shot on US soil by.

916
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Speaker 8: The same kind of enemy.

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Speaker 12: We continue to live with the deadly consequences of Joe

918
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 12: Biden's horrific leadership. Nearly one hundred thousand Afghans were recklessly

919
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 12: released into the United States with little to no vetting.

920
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 12: There was no regard for the disorder and violence that

921
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 12: this would unleash on American communities and American culture. Reportedly,

922
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 12: thousands of these strangers and unknown individuals were flagged to

923
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Speaker 12: the Biden administration for national security, public safety, and fraud concerns.

924
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 12: But the terrifying truth is that the Afghanistan debacle is

925
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Speaker 12: just a small part of democrats complete and total betrayal

926
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Speaker 12: of the American people during the Biden years. The tragedy

927
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Speaker 12: that we just witnessed the day before Thanksgiving is a

928
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 12: reminder that untold thousands of terrorists, gang members, and criminals

929
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Speaker 12: were invited into our country and remain here to this

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Speaker 12: very day.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I want to make sure that I'm on the record

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Speaker 2: because when the conversation came up about Afghan nationals coming

934
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Speaker 2: into the United States, I said on this show that

935
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Speaker 2: if there were people helping the US military in Afghanistan,

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Speaker 2: we can't abandon them there to the Taliban.

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Speaker 3: There was a deal made. As far as I saw.

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Speaker 2: It, it never dawned on me that the military wouldn't

939
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Speaker 2: have vetted these people, and would not have dawned on

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Speaker 2: me that.

941
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Speaker 3: We were bringing in other people that were not vetted

942
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Speaker 3: at all. I never said bring in those people.

943
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Speaker 2: As I have said repeatedly, I do not allow single

944
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Speaker 2: able bodied men to enter the country from China, from Honduras,

945
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Speaker 2: from anywhere. But if they were helping the military, I

946
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Speaker 2: believed in absolutely making sure we honored the promise to

947
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 2: Venner that seemed rational. They weren't properly vetted. You have

948
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 2: people screaming about vetting, and anytime you brought up vetting,

949
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 2: the left would say, why you're just such a racist.

950
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 2: In any case, we now have our third, fourth, fifth

951
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 2: example in this with the murder of Sarah Beeksham, that

952
01:00:56,120 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 2: Afghan nationalists have no interest in being connected to the

953
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 2: American way of life. That bring them in clearly a mistake,

954
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 2: and that mistake must get rectified. And that's what I

955
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 2: want to see President Trump do and Somali nationals, which

956
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Speaker 2: I'll get into.

957
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 12: Billion dollars in taxpayer funded benefits. Under Democrat Governor Waltz's leadership,

958
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 12: President Trump is putting an end to this dangerous America

959
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 12: Last approach.

960
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 8: His position is rooted in common sense.

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Speaker 12: In the wake of last week's atrocity, it is more

962
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Speaker 12: important than ever to finish carrying out the President's mass

963
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 12: deportation Operation America cannot allow millions upon millions of unvetted

964
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,919
Speaker 12: illegal aliens to be rewarded with amnesty after they broke

965
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 12: our nation's laws to come here. They must go back

966
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 12: to their home countries. It is also essentially essential to

967
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 12: immediately address the massive fraud and corruption that has been

968
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 12: going on for decades and other aspects of our immigration system,

969
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 12: most notably when it comes to asylum claims. Millions of

970
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 12: people who have come here under false pretenses are told

971
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 12: blatant and told blatant lies, now enjoy temporary legal status.

972
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Speaker 12: President Trump is ending this scam as well, and I

973
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 12: would point out that the Democrats have tried to block

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01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 12: this administration from doing so at every term turn, with

975
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 12: lawsuit after lawsuit. The hard truth is that even when

976
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 12: it comes to our legal immigration system, past presidents have

977
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 12: failed to ensure that all prospective citizens love America, will

978
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 12: add value and contribute to our communities, and will assimilate

979
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 12: into our culture. Leaders have a duty to defend and

980
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 12: advance the interests of their own people, not foreign nationals.

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01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 12: Leaders also have a duty to preserve the integrity and

982
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 12: character of our nation's national identity. That is why President

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01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 12: Trump is more committed than ever to fully restoring American

984
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 12: sovereignty by keeping our borders secure, removing all illegal alien invaders,

985
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 12: and rebuilding a legal immigration system that makes sense and

986
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Speaker 12: benefits our country.

987
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 3: Yep I voted for that. Lots of people did.

988
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 2: This isn't about whether or not we're a kind a nation,

989
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 2: are decent people.

990
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 3: It's about whether or not we hold a standard.

991
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 2: And the standard is you're not allowed to just come

992
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 2: into the country, run rough shout over the country, hate

993
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 2: the country, steal from the country, try and attack the country,

994
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 2: and kill our citizens.

995
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 3: The answer is no, No. Back to the press briefing, invaded.

996
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 13: As a country culturally and logistically when it comes to immigration,

997
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 13: and we know that immigration without assimilation is indeed invasion.

998
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 13: So given the recent remarks from Vice President Vance on

999
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 13: a college campus about dramatically.

1000
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 8: Reducing legal immigration to.

1001
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 13: Address some of this crisis, and President Trump's true social

1002
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 13: post last week about individuals who may be noncompatible with

1003
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 13: Western civilization, are there any conversations happening or plans being

1004
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 13: made behind the scene for the administration to implement at

1005
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 13: least a temporary immigration moratorium, for example, in light of

1006
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 13: what the American.

1007
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 8: People might be calling for so, Isabelle, it's a great question.

1008
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 12: I think I spoke a little bit to the heart

1009
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 12: of your question in my opener there. I would add

1010
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 12: that the Trump administration has done more to limit migration,

1011
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 12: both illegal and legal, than any administration in history. And

1012
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 12: I'll just walk you through some of the actions that

1013
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 12: we have taken thus a lot.

1014
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 2: I'll let her walk through the actions. We'll take the

1015
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 2: quick break. We'll come back to more of the White

1016
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 2: House press briefing coming up.

1017
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Speaker 3: Keep it here. I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Katz today.

1018
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 12: Hence in vital United States interests, the strike was conducted

1019
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 12: in international waters and in accordance with the law of

1020
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 12: armed conflict.

1021
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 13: And then on this part of for the hunter and President,

1022
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 13: does it at all undercut the.

1023
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 14: Administration's messaging while you have these congressional Republicans defending the

1024
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 14: strikes and the narco terrorists and then a party for

1025
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:57,439
Speaker 14: a convicted drug traffick or does that make it more

1026
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 14: difficult for your members to defend your administration's policy.

1027
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 8: I don't think so, Jackie.

1028
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 12: I think the President Trump has been quite clear in

1029
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 12: his defense of the United States homeland to stop these

1030
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 12: illegal narcotics.

1031
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 8: From coming to our old boy.

1032
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 2: Say Caroline Levitt is in the middle of the White

1033
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 2: House press briefing. I'm Tony Katz. The show is Tony

1034
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 2: Katz today talking about this report from the Washington Post

1035
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 2: that there was a second strike on survivors of a

1036
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 2: drug boat that got hit by the US military, that

1037
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 2: they did it and it was lawful and they were

1038
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 2: a threat, and that is going to get ripped apart

1039
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of different ways, a whole bunch of

1040
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 2: different ways, just torn apart, for sure.

1041
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 3: But there is a.

1042
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 2: Real question about some people are getting pardons. One that

1043
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 2: took place, I think it was over the weekend, and

1044
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 2: people are like, anybody can get a pardon. Now, you

1045
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 2: got enough cash, you'll get a pardon. Trump, Biden engage

1046
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 2: all these insane bartins. This one's got people asking questions.

1047
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 2: The pardon power is the power of the president, and

1048
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 2: there's going to be absolutely nothing. I know Rokahana wants it.

1049
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 2: They're not going to get rid of the pardon power.

1050
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 2: They're not going to do it. Tony Katt. I say hello,

1051
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 2: I'm Tony Katz. The press briefing is going on. I

1052
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 2: am still Tony Katz. The show is ton Katz today.

1053
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 2: Let's take it to the press briefing. Caroline Levitt speaking

1054
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 2: to the press.

1055
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Speaker 12: Shin, and we will release it right now. I think

1056
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 12: my team has it teed up for all of you.

1057
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 12: I'll read it for you and then you'll get it.

1058
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 12: Physically as well. As part of President Trump's comprehensive executive

1059
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:41,919
Speaker 12: physical advanced imaging was performed because men in his age

1060
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 12: group benefit from a thorough evaluation of cardiovascular and abdominal health.

1061
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 12: The purpose of this imaging is preventative, to identify any

1062
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 12: issues early, confirm overall health, and ensure the president maintains.

1063
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 8: Long term vitality and function.

1064
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 12: President Trump's cardiovascular imaging was perfectly normal. No evidence of

1065
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 12: arterial narrowing, impairing blood flow, or abnormalities in the heart

1066
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 12: or major vessels. The heart chambers are normal in size,

1067
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 12: the vessel walls appear smooth and healthy, and there are

1068
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 12: no signs of inflammation or clotting. Overall, his cardiovascular system

1069
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 12: shows excellent health. His abdominal imaging is also perfectly normal.

1070
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 12: All major organs appear very healthy and well profused. Everything

1071
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 12: evaluated is functioning within normal limits with no acute or

1072
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 12: chronic concerns. In summary, this level of detailed assessment is

1073
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 12: standard for an executive physical at President Trump's age, and

1074
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 12: confirms that he remains in excellent overall health.

1075
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Speaker 8: Again, we will provide chemocrats.

1076
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 3: You'll be very angry about this.

1077
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 2: He's lying all there, telling the truth, but he's really

1078
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 2: a mental decline. Listen, if he's healthy, he's healthy. Play

1079
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 2: you what do you want from us? But wait, do

1080
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 2: you see the death wish stuff that comes?

1081
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 3: Now? Just nuts? What are they going to discuss? Are

1082
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 3: they hoping to reach a kind of final.

1083
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 8: Decision on that? Out of the effort of transparency.

1084
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 12: I will confirm that the President will be meeting with

1085
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 12: his National Securities team on this subject, on many matters,

1086
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 12: and he meets with his national security team quite often.

1087
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 12: He's the commander in chief. It's part of his responsibility.

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Speaker 3: Rustpreeving will go on. I'll get back to it in

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Speaker 3: a second.

1090
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 2: There, But what I just said, I didn't want it

1091
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:24,640
Speaker 2: to just go by the wayside.

1092
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Speaker 3: It's part of the ugly.

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Speaker 2: I disagree with people, I don't wish them dead.

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Speaker 3: These are two very different things. We understand. We're in

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Speaker 3: the place of wishing dead.

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Speaker 2: We're understand, we're in the place of trying to kill

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Speaker 2: They did try to kill him, They did kill Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 2: And please please don't give me any Candaewns insanity, would you?

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: They're going to hear that Donald Trump is healthy and

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01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 2: they're going to be upset about it.

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Speaker 3: Then they're gonna say that the doctors are lying.

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01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 2: Everybody's always lying because you disagree. Not everything is a plot,

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01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 2: Not everything is. This is this great scheme to.

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01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 3: Some things. Just are.

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01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 2: Donald Trump is in good physical health? Joe Biden not?

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01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 2: Donald Trump mentally aware, Joe Biden not. And that was

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Speaker 2: true before the election. That was true when Biden dropped

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Speaker 2: out of the race. It's also true today. And there'll

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Speaker 2: be people who will tell you today that Joe Biden's

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01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 2: just fine.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what to say to that. I really don't.

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01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 3: But it's the amount.

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Speaker 2: Of loss we are when you see that there are

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01:09:58,040 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 2: people who will gladly wish him dead.

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01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 3: Stunning.

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Speaker 2: There are more questions going on right now about the pardons,

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Speaker 2: and I can appreciate it. If the White House is

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Speaker 2: indeed admitting that they did go back and kill survivors

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Speaker 2: of a first strike on one of these drug boats.

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Speaker 2: That's going to get a lot of people to ask questions,

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01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 2: get a lot of people riled up. I say my

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Speaker 2: two questions. I'll get more into this. Remain what is

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01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 2: legal in this regard, not what some TV pundit nonsense

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Speaker 2: person says, and what is the standard in any situation

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Speaker 2: like this. We need the answers to those questions to

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Speaker 2: be able to assess what possibly took place. But now

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Speaker 2: that she says it, okay, we can now talk about

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Speaker 2: the story more in depth. When the Washington Post says it,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't buy into that at all. It's the Washington

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01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 2: Host believe them, stop it, keep it here.

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Speaker 3: This is Tony Katz Today.

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01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:17,520
Speaker 1: Live from Dall Hartbeiner and the Crossroads of America.

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Speaker 3: It's Tony Katz Today.

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Speaker 2: Well, a lot of people are going to talk about

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01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 2: double tap. I want to talk about two fronts. And

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01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 2: I am not excusing anything. And I am not saying

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01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:31,639
Speaker 2: that media has this right. It's media odds are they

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01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 2: have it very very wrong. Tony Katz, Tony Katz Today, guys.

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Speaker 3: Good to be with you, Good to be here.

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01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 2: You know the story about the Venezuelan drug boats, and

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01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 2: this reporting that you had the US military hit one

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01:11:54,840 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 2: of these Venezuelan drug boats and then realizing that there

1144
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 2: were people still alive from the hit, go back and

1145
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 2: kill those people.

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01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:09,759
Speaker 3: That's the argument.

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01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 2: That's the reporting that is out there that Pete hag Seth,

1148
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 2: the Secretary of War, Secretary of Defensive it's not official yet,

1149
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 2: said kill everybody that the House wants a full accounting

1150
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 2: of the boat strike. This was a Washington Post story. Yes,

1151
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 2: the minute I heard it was a Washington Post story,

1152
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 2: I said, oh, okay, let's take our time here. If

1153
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 2: you think I'm gonna believe the Washington Post off the quick,

1154
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 2: your nuts. Now you'll note the difference between us and them.

1155
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 2: We said, based on their history, we're not going to

1156
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 2: believe it right away on the quick. We're not gonna

1157
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 2: simply take it as gospel. What they say is, oh,

1158
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:00,799
Speaker 2: so you don't believe the news when it's about Trump.

1159
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:06,839
Speaker 2: The Washington Post has proven itself to be liars and frauds.

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01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 2: Would I have trusted social media?

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Speaker 4: Do?

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01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 3: I still absolutely not? After what they did to.

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01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 2: The New York Post and the unwillingness, the purposeful evading

1164
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 2: of covering the Hunter Biden laptop story, everything they did

1165
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:25,639
Speaker 2: about Russia, Russia, Russia, a whole host of subjects. There's

1166
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 2: no reason to believe these people at all. So the

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01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 2: story is is that this double tap.

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Speaker 3: Was there were.

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01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 2: People still survivors clinging to the wreckage. This was a

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01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 2: strike that goes back to September. September second actually was

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01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 2: the strike, and that or the Special Operations commander ordered

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01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 2: a second attack to comply with Hegseth's order. What Trump

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01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 2: is saying is that hegset tells me it didn't happen.

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01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 2: Therefore it didn't happen, so I do not have to

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01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 2: think about it. This was on board Air Force one.

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01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 3: OK.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about the strikes and

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01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 1: the controversy around the Secretary of Defense ke Nig said,

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Speaker 1: I don't know anything about it.

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01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,720
Speaker 15: He said, he said, he did not say that, and

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01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:22,480
Speaker 15: I believe.

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01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 3: That you don't know if there was a second two

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01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,640
Speaker 3: men the second strike to kill the two men after night.

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01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 3: He said, he never said would you be okay with that?

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01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 8: If he did?

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01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 3: He said he didn't do. It's gonna have to make

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01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,599
Speaker 3: that de say, what do you mister? Now?

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01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 2: That is a touch throwing hegseth under the bus. It

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01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 2: is a touch, plausible dynam plausible deniability.

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01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 3: And a touch. He may not have all the data at.

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01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 2: His fingertips, which seems to have a lot of people upset.

1192
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, we have to look into Trump's mental acuity.

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01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 2: He doesn't know this, He doesn't know that. Oh holy hell.

1194
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 2: Maybe he got an early briefing, he didn't get a

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01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 2: later briefing. Maybe he got a later briefing, and yet

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01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 2: there's another briefing. Maybe developments have changed. And before you

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01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 2: say anything to this rabid press core that we have

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01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 2: already determined based on the facts, lies and engages a

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Speaker 2: narrative and not data.

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01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 3: Maybe waiting just a little bit is the right thing

1201
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 3: to do.

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01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:29,639
Speaker 2: The press sets a standard of being horrific. We don't

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01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 2: play into that standard. And then they say, why aren't

1204
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 2: you playing into the standard? You see, that's proof of

1205
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 2: the problem. You gotta love them.

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01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 3: I do not.

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01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:48,799
Speaker 2: Know two things about this. Number one, what is the standard?

1208
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 2: And number two, what is legal? Now you say to me,

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01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 2: how could it be legal to do this? We're talking

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01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 2: about the military here, we might not be talking about

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01:15:56,439 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 2: And I don't believe we are talking about US soutional

1212
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:04,720
Speaker 2: rights do drug runners from Venezuela have? Then there's the

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01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 2: very idea of the standard. So in terms of how

1214
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:09,759
Speaker 2: the military views these things, I don't have an answer.

1215
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:12,759
Speaker 2: I'm searching for it. I've reached out to my people.

1216
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 2: Don't have it yet. I want to make sure I

1217
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 2: understand it. So I want you to know what I'm asking.

1218
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 2: So the legality military, in terms of what the military

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01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 2: does and what their rules are, that's number one. And

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01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:28,240
Speaker 2: then there is the standard, would we, in any other

1221
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 2: situation go back and finish killing the drug runners? The

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01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 2: fact that someone may not like the standard, the fact

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01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 2: that someone may clutch their pearls and find it offensive, that.

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01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 3: Is not what's the word. I'm looking for policy.

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01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 2: That doesn't make them right, and it doesn't make it

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01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:56,640
Speaker 2: the standard. As if somehow they're clutching the pearls is

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01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 2: the standard? No, no, no, no no. What is it

1228
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:01,559
Speaker 2: that we do it? How is it that we do it?

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01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 2: That shouldn't that be the question. Now again, I will

1230
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 2: say to you that I have absolutely zero issue with

1231
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 2: taking out these drug boats, and I do not believe

1232
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 2: they are entitled to any due process at all. If

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01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 2: the intelligence says they are drug running. Then they are

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01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 2: engaged in an attack on the United States.

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Speaker 3: That is my take.

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01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 2: Now the military has another take. Okay, Then we get

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01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 2: into something we talked about. Because we have the capability,

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01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 2: shocking of having two thoughts in our head at the

1239
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 2: same time, we logically broke this down. Now we get

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01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 2: into the idea of whether or not we're at war

1241
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:50,839
Speaker 2: with Maduro, whether or not we are at war with Venezuela.

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01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 2: The story goes that Trump said to Maduro, hey, maybe

1243
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 2: you should leave now and you can get.

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01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:00,160
Speaker 3: Safe pass.

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01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 2: He can, oh, yeah, safe passage for Nicholas Maduro to

1246
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 2: head out of town.

1247
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 3: To leave with his family.

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01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,799
Speaker 2: There are eleven US warships right now in the Caribbean,

1249
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 2: fifteen thousand troops. That kids is taking it ready to go.

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01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 2: That is putting yourself in a place to end this

1251
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 2: before it starts. So Trump gives Venezuela's Maduro the out.

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01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 2: It's an ultimatum, you and your family can leave or

1253
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 2: this is.

1254
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 3: Going to get bad. What we have stated here.

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01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 2: When we say get bad, clearly it's going to be

1256
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 2: some level of war, some level of bombing, some level

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01:18:56,280 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 2: of bring Venezuela very easily to its knees. There was

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01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:03,719
Speaker 2: also a report that Russian and China, which have long

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01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 2: been supportive of Venezuela. Of course the communists regime of

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01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 2: Hugo Shaves and now Nicholas Maduro, and of course the

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01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:13,600
Speaker 2: oil that they can extract from near nothing out of

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01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 2: the ground. Remember, they can't feed their people. They eat pigeons,

1263
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 2: but the Chinese and the Russians are getting super fat

1264
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 2: on oil. They have been nowhere in this nowhere to

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01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 2: be seen in this.

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01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 3: Why is that? Where are they going?

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01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 2: Back to a conversation we had a couple of weeks ago,

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01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:45,560
Speaker 2: it is very possible that there has been a understanding

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01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 2: reached about we're going to take this hemisphere and you

1270
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:50,720
Speaker 2: can do with that hemisphere. Now, we do have a

1271
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 2: couple of friends that we can't abandon, but in the end,

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01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:55,559
Speaker 2: this is the way it works.

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01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 3: We're going to defend ours and you have to leave.

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01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 2: Which is like this idea that they've carved up the world, right,

1275
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:04,679
Speaker 2: the US and China and Russia have carved up the world.

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01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 2: And first of all, if you're India, you're like, excuse us,

1277
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 2: we have something we'd like to say here. Certainly, the

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01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:13,639
Speaker 2: Turks aren't going to be okay with that. And then

1279
01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 2: you say, well, we just sold F thirty five strike

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01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,919
Speaker 2: fighters and Abrams tanks to the Saudis.

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01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did that for us, not the Saudis. More

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01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 3: and more it's looking like that, isn't it.

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01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 2: More and more it is looking Major Miclions I think

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01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 2: had it dead on. It is looking like the sale

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01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 2: of this weaponry to Saudi Arabia is about providing us

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01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:42,839
Speaker 2: a base that is well, the entire country of Saudi

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01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 2: Arabia for when we might need to engage some action

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01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 2: forward the Venezuela conversation. Are we going to now start

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01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 2: dropping bombs on Venezuela? I mean, I got myself a

1290
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 2: little sidetracked. I want to get back to it. You're

1291
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 2: gonna let major and then what happens? Remember he did

1292
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 2: steal the election. We know that they don't have legitimate elections.

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01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 2: We're fully aware of this.

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01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 3: So I'm not sure. But you'll note that not only

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01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 3: have the Chinese and.

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01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 2: The Russians had very little to say Congress, same thing

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01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 2: we mentioned how people like Ranpaul and others had brought

1298
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 2: up what are you doing here? This is an act

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01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:25,560
Speaker 2: of war and we said it because we're able to

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01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 2: keep two thoughts in our head at the same time

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01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 2: that we have no problem with taking out the drug boats.

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01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,439
Speaker 2: But if you're going to engage in a war, in

1303
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:35,560
Speaker 2: a war action, you are going.

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01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 3: To need the authorization of Congress.

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01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 2: That's the way the system works, and the president is

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01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 2: not above it. You'll notice that nobody's asking for that.

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01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 2: There is no large clamoring for that. There is no

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01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 2: claring call for that. Congress, both parties not working together

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01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 2: to say, excuse us, mister president, but we decide these

1310
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 2: things here and Article one of the Constitution is about

1311
01:21:57,160 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 2: to come crashing down on your Article two head right,

1312
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 2: that's not happening. So can we ask the question why not?

1313
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 3: Why not.

1314
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 2: All this talk, all this everything, and now you've got

1315
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 2: eleven warships fifteen thousand troops. You've quite literally changed a

1316
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 2: balance the power in terms of where we project power

1317
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:23,559
Speaker 2: around the globe because you have to move those things

1318
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 2: from one place to another, and Congress.

1319
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 3: Has got nothing to say. It seems to me, as.

1320
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 2: An outsider looking in, if it's you and me having

1321
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 2: a bourbon on the barstool, isn't that a little bit

1322
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 2: of a wink and a nod to Okay, let's see

1323
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 2: what happens. Go ahead, mister president. We know you got this.

1324
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:44,559
Speaker 3: We're good.

1325
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 2: Hey, we understand which way the wind blows, and we're

1326
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 2: fine with this. Explain to me how this is in

1327
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 2: tacit endorsement, which, as a guy who believes in the Constitution,

1328
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 2: I'm still not super cool with about viewing it.

1329
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, okay, if they're not going to act,

1330
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 3: what is the president supposed to do? Well, he's not

1331
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:11,559
Speaker 3: allowed to do this? Not true? Not true.

1332
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 2: The president has an extremely wide birth when it comes

1333
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 2: to foreign policy, when it comes to the defense of

1334
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 2: the nation.

1335
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 3: The Supreme Court has said so repeatedly.

1336
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:27,200
Speaker 2: There is a fantastic I'll find it a fantastic piece

1337
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 2: from Hugh Hewitt, really really good about the rules of

1338
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:47,000
Speaker 2: engagement and specifically this idea that the president has this very,

1339
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 2: very wide birth, and Hewitt posted this long, long post

1340
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 2: about it.

1341
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:58,559
Speaker 3: He Hewett is a lawyer. As a radio host, I

1342
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 3: think he run does he run the Nixon Library?

1343
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 2: Interesting dude, nice dude, And he quotes in this long post.

1344
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 2: He quotes not only a Justice Renquist, but a few

1345
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:21,680
Speaker 2: other justices and it's Rehnquist before he was Chief Justice,

1346
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 2: and he talks about what's known as a never ending tension.

1347
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 2: And the quote here is, as we now turn to

1348
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 2: the factual and legal issues in this case, this case

1349
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 2: that Justice Renquist is referring to. Quote, we freely confess

1350
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:38,680
Speaker 2: that we are obviously deciding only one more episode in

1351
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 2: the never ending tension between the president exercising the executive

1352
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 2: authority in a world that presents each day some new

1353
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 2: challenge with which he must deal and the constitution under

1354
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 2: which we all live and which no one disputes embodies

1355
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 2: some sort of system of checks and balances. Really interesting you,

1356
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 2: So the phrase there, tension. It's this constant back and

1357
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 2: forth that we deal with. But he goes on to

1358
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 2: discuss this idea that comes from a case in nineteen

1359
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 2: thirty six United States versus Curtis Right Export Corporation, and

1360
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:22,879
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court held that a political society cannot endure

1361
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:28,799
Speaker 2: without a Supreme will somewhere, meaning someone making the decision. Quote,

1362
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 2: sovereignty is never held in suspense. That line should cause

1363
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 2: you to take a sip of your bourbon and say,

1364
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 2: oh damn, that's smart, meaning that no matter what the

1365
01:25:44,280 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 2: Congress might think or no matter what debate is taking place, nobody.

1366
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 3: Is going to This is how I took it. No

1367
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 3: one's going to pause.

1368
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 2: The world is not going to stop while you reflect

1369
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 2: and ponder and consider, which is why the powers, I

1370
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 2: would argue you of the presidency are vast in that

1371
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 2: while that's happening, and I do not argue it's happening,

1372
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 2: I actually support it's happening. You must deal with the

1373
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 2: reality in front of you. And the reality, which is

1374
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 2: a political reality based on winning an election, is that Venezuela.

1375
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:17,720
Speaker 2: Certainly the data shows us so, and certainly we know

1376
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 2: so in our anecdotal lives runs drugs in the United States,

1377
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 2: wants to do harms in the United States, is trying

1378
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 2: to kill children or will kill children with the fen

1379
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 2: and all and other things coming in, and they have

1380
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:28,839
Speaker 2: to be stopped.

1381
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:34,879
Speaker 3: I want to know where Congress is to have this debate,

1382
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 3: and they're nowhere.

1383
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 2: They are nowhere to be found. Little grumblings is all

1384
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:44,600
Speaker 2: I've seen. Nothing big now that could all change in

1385
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 2: a moment, but nothing yet which leads me to believe

1386
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 2: that it is tacit endorsement. Now, I said at the beginning,

1387
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 2: this was one of two things to look at. I

1388
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 2: really didn't get to the other thing, and I will,

1389
01:26:56,840 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 2: which is what Japan's doing to thwart China and whether

1390
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 2: or not they've got a friend in US even if

1391
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:06,639
Speaker 2: I am correct, and the decisions have been made that

1392
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 2: this is our hemisphere and other people are gonna have

1393
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 2: to fend for themselves, which might very well be what

1394
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 2: the Japanese are doing. Something to keep an eye on

1395
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 2: this Venezuela build up as well. I'm Tony Katz. This

1396
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 2: is Tony Katz today. I'm not sure I understand the ruling,

1397
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:23,759
Speaker 2: but this was about Helena Habba.

1398
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:25,800
Speaker 3: Alena Habba was Trump's.

1399
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 2: Lawyer during the campaign and all the cases against them,

1400
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 2: the cases of nonsense. Yeah, and she's been serving there

1401
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 2: as the prosecutor in New Jersey. Tony Katz, Tony Katz today,

1402
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 2: Good to be with you. Somehow, the Third Circuit has

1403
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 2: said in a unanimous order that a lower court was

1404
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 2: correct to disqualify Alena Habba from being the US attorney

1405
01:27:57,960 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 2: in New Jersey. The administration could possibly ask for the

1406
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:07,440
Speaker 2: full panel, which would be known as en banc banc

1407
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 2: of the Full Panel of the Third Circuit, to take

1408
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 2: a look at this they could just go to the

1409
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 2: Supreme Court. But what's the argument, right, Why is it

1410
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 2: that somehow she can't be appointed?

1411
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 3: Oh?

1412
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:30,439
Speaker 2: I get it. So she was put in on a

1413
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 2: temporary appointment. And then what happened was was that the

1414
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 2: nonsense I believe judges in New Jersey somehow wouldn't keep

1415
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:45,719
Speaker 2: her on. They were engaged in what politics? And then

1416
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 2: so Trump and the Attorney General Pam Bondi utilized the

1417
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 2: maneuver here and there to get her back in the

1418
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 2: idea is that Trump sidestep the Senate, exploited loopholes in

1419
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 2: federal vacancy to keep his preferred prosecutors in place. Sounds

1420
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 2: like politics, wan on one to me, No, no, no, sounds

1421
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 2: like something Democrats do. And they're like, why is Donald

1422
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:13,840
Speaker 2: Trump keeping justice from taking place? And now it's this,

1423
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:18,599
Speaker 2: But it's another great example of here's Alena Habba. Then

1424
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:22,479
Speaker 2: you've got the Lindsay Halligan story out of Virginia. I

1425
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 2: go back to it again and again and again, what's

1426
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 2: wrong with Pam Bondy? And some people are gonna say,

1427
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 2: how dare you call it? Pam Bondi, She's the best

1428
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 2: Jurity general who ever lived.

1429
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:31,559
Speaker 15: To know.

1430
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:36,800
Speaker 2: I don't think she is. I'm disappointed. I need things

1431
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:40,760
Speaker 2: to run smoother. I don't quite understand what Habba did

1432
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 2: that's wrong here or what the appointment issue is. I

1433
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 2: think that is something that can be fought, at least

1434
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 2: based on a first read.

1435
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 3: But why can't things just go smooth? That's the part

1436
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 3: that's bothering me.

1437
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:59,600
Speaker 2: The idea of losing on the Komy case where he

1438
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 2: nearly lied and clearly leaked it did leak information to

1439
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:08,600
Speaker 2: the press. The idea of losing that on the technicality

1440
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 2: of how Lindsay Halligan was put in the position a prosecutor.

1441
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 3: That's insane.

1442
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 2: That that is embarrassing and shameful stuff. Dot your eyes

1443
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 2: and cross your t's. It's all it takes. Oh comy,

1444
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 2: But this is this is interesting. This is an interesting case.

1445
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:40,559
Speaker 2: I do think it gets appealed. I or do you

1446
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 2: just go back and reappoint her again? Be watching what

1447
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 2: happens here.

1448
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:47,639
Speaker 3: I'm Tony Katz. This is Tony Kats. Today.

1449
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 2: You're gonna hear a lot more about Indiana in this

1450
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:59,120
Speaker 2: redistricting fight because they did hold the special session and

1451
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:02,200
Speaker 2: they started it literally today and they put out what

1452
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 2: could be the new congressional map.

1453
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:10,759
Speaker 3: And oh, good lord, it is something else. Tony Kats,

1454
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 3: Tony Kats today, good to be with you.

1455
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 2: What I don't know is what were people expecting perfectly

1456
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:18,440
Speaker 2: drawn nine squares.

1457
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 3: First of all, Indiana can't.

1458
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 2: Be drawn into nine squares, and because we have nine districts,

1459
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 2: nine squares. And secondly, that's not how any district is

1460
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 2: drawn nowhere in the country, meaning there's always something an

1461
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:34,800
Speaker 2: extra street here, an extra move it over to the river.

1462
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:37,240
Speaker 2: There no, no, no, we want this group over here.

1463
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 2: Districts are not drawn based on fairness. They're drawn based

1464
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 2: on power. You take the census, you draw a district.

1465
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 2: But there is no rule that says you can only

1466
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:52,799
Speaker 2: draw once. State legislatures can draw districts every two years.

1467
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:55,840
Speaker 2: If they choose, well, the courts won't let them. Maybe

1468
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 2: the courts are a little bit activist because the decision

1469
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:02,240
Speaker 2: on districts doesn't belong to the It belongs to the

1470
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:05,720
Speaker 2: state legislatures. And me, I want the state legislatures to

1471
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:08,719
Speaker 2: have power, which is why I want to get rid

1472
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 2: of the direct election of senators.

1473
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:16,840
Speaker 3: Direct go ahead, search it direct election of senators.

1474
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 2: This is the seventeenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.

1475
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:25,040
Speaker 2: The Senator of the United States shall be composed of

1476
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:27,919
Speaker 2: two senators of each state, elected by the people thereof

1477
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 2: for six years, and each Senator shall have one vote. Nonsense.

1478
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 2: Senators prior to this were selected by the state legislatures,

1479
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:41,840
Speaker 2: exactly as they should be, so they are more responsive

1480
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:45,519
Speaker 2: to the state and less responsive to the whims of

1481
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:47,120
Speaker 2: the mob, which is to.

1482
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:49,679
Speaker 3: Say, we the people. That's what we have a House

1483
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 3: of representatives for.

1484
01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:56,040
Speaker 2: You wanted to vote for the members of your state

1485
01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 2: legislature who would then choose a senator to do the

1486
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 2: work for the state. In the US, that's what you want.

1487
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:05,040
Speaker 2: The direct election of centators has made things a hot mess.

1488
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:09,200
Speaker 2: This was nineteen thirteen. We have not been doing good work,

1489
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:13,439
Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen. We did not do well with the

1490
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 2: direct election of senators. It was a mistake, a mistake

1491
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 2: of the highest order. But I want legislatures being the

1492
01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:25,240
Speaker 2: ones who draw the maps, and then the people, if

1493
01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 2: they don't like the map, can vote out members of

1494
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 2: the legislature. Exactly what I said about Texas and their redistricting.

1495
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:34,840
Speaker 2: I absolutely oppose these independent commissions that decide where the

1496
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:38,360
Speaker 2: boundaries are no, no, No. Progressives decide where the boundaries are.

1497
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 2: Then they put in these independent commissions to keep the

1498
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 2: boundaries exactly where they want them. It was all a

1499
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:46,200
Speaker 2: power play. All politics is a power play. And there

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01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:48,000
Speaker 2: are a lot of people talking about Indiana and other

1501
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 2: states saying, well, this is just a power grap Yeah,

1502
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:55,040
Speaker 2: grow up, Yes it is. You vote for a party,

1503
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:59,600
Speaker 2: you vote for a philosophy, that philosophy wins, that philosophy

1504
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:03,120
Speaker 2: gets take hold, and then yes, you utilize the power.

1505
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:07,000
Speaker 2: I don't know what's wrong with people. Well, Tony, it's unseemly.

1506
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:11,639
Speaker 2: Oh okay, well that's about your emotional state. I didn't

1507
01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:14,479
Speaker 2: say you couldn't say it was unseemly. But it's not illegal,

1508
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:20,759
Speaker 2: it's not immoral, it's not wrong. Just isn't Now.

1509
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 3: Will it work well?

1510
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 2: And guarantee that you'll get more electoral victories or or

1511
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:26,759
Speaker 2: legislative not legislative congressional victories.

1512
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:27,639
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1513
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 2: Everything's a crapshoot always, but I have no issue with

1514
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 2: redistricting at all. In any way, it came out with

1515
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:40,160
Speaker 2: this new map. This new map is a bit of everywhere,

1516
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 2: and people are gonna be like, oh, this is ridiculous.

1517
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 3: I didn't know what they thought they were gonna get.

1518
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:47,320
Speaker 2: But people feigning outrages, you know, part of what social

1519
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:50,720
Speaker 2: media is for. But there's been a lot of back

1520
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:54,640
Speaker 2: and forth about this, and it really got national because

1521
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 2: of a representative, I should say, a state's senator, Indian

1522
01:35:01,080 --> 01:35:03,640
Speaker 2: by the name of Mike Bohatchick. Now I do not

1523
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 2: know Senator Bahatchick. What I've learned about Senator Bohatchick is

1524
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:12,600
Speaker 2: that Senator Bohacchick was a Democrat before he became a

1525
01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 2: Republican to run for the state Senate.

1526
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:18,960
Speaker 3: What I do know about Bohatchick.

1527
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:23,120
Speaker 2: Is that his wife works for an organization that went

1528
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 2: to Congressman Frank Ravan Democrat who right now represents the

1529
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 2: first District of Indiana, and received one and a half

1530
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 2: million dollars in federal funding for this organization. I don't

1531
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:34,680
Speaker 2: even question whether or it's a good organization or not.

1532
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 2: But now here's the state senator not in favor of

1533
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:40,599
Speaker 2: redistricting and his district would get cut up in this

1534
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:44,240
Speaker 2: new map, and his wife was the beneficiary, in a

1535
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 2: roundabout way or in toto of one and a half

1536
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:49,960
Speaker 2: million dollars. I'm not saying she got one and a

1537
01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 2: half million, I'm saying the organization that she works at did.

1538
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 2: That's an issue, and that is absolutely worthy conversation. You

1539
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:02,080
Speaker 2: can discuss that, you can question whether or not that

1540
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 2: plays into this, but the real story here is that

1541
01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:11,000
Speaker 2: Bohatchick is a no and there are definitely some no votes.

1542
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:13,719
Speaker 2: And you know, our job is to persuade these people

1543
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:17,559
Speaker 2: to be a yes, not threatened, not cajole, not attack,

1544
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:20,519
Speaker 2: persuade through the argument, which is what I've been trying

1545
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:20,800
Speaker 2: to do.

1546
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:24,080
Speaker 3: It's a very hoosier way to do things.

1547
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:27,080
Speaker 2: And these people, these influencers who have been coming from

1548
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:32,280
Speaker 2: the outside with the screaming and the yelling looking so

1549
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:36,240
Speaker 2: so ridiculous. It doesn't work here. It hasn't moved the

1550
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 2: needle at all. You want a great example of this,

1551
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 2: it's the post is no longer available. It's turning point USA.

1552
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:49,840
Speaker 2: Tyler Boyer bow Yeer put out a post saying we're

1553
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:53,360
Speaker 2: going to rally to move reditioning over the line and

1554
01:36:53,720 --> 01:36:57,200
Speaker 2: Indiana ins we need you now. You might not be

1555
01:36:57,280 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 2: from Indiana, but everybody who is just yelled at their radio,

1556
01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:09,000
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Tony, did you just say Indiana's. Yeah, he

1557
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:12,400
Speaker 2: referred to the people who live in Indiana as Indiana's

1558
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:18,479
Speaker 2: people in Indiana refer to themselves as Hoosier's. Now you

1559
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:22,200
Speaker 2: say to me, yeah, but Tony, it's a simple mistake. No,

1560
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:27,599
Speaker 2: it's not a simple mistake. It is an unforced error

1561
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:32,719
Speaker 2: of magnitudes of stupidity, because no one at Turning Point,

1562
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:36,479
Speaker 2: USA took five minutes to make a phone call.

1563
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:39,599
Speaker 3: Are you telling me I'm such a hard guy to find?

1564
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 2: Are you telling me any of my contemporaries are hard

1565
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:45,760
Speaker 2: people to find? Are you telling me you couldn't have

1566
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:49,160
Speaker 2: done five minutes of research to find out what the

1567
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:50,559
Speaker 2: people of Indiana are called?

1568
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:53,599
Speaker 3: To make sure you don't step all over here? You

1569
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:54,000
Speaker 3: know what?

1570
01:37:56,160 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 2: Embarrassing, pathetic, ridiculous, And if you're to the people here,

1571
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:03,240
Speaker 2: you got to learn how a message to the people here.

1572
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:05,439
Speaker 3: All they're screwing up left and right.

1573
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:10,160
Speaker 2: These influencers are not interested, in my view, in actually

1574
01:38:10,200 --> 01:38:13,920
Speaker 2: getting the redistricting done. They're interested in their fefdom. They're

1575
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:16,640
Speaker 2: interested in the look at me. They're interested in a clique.

1576
01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:21,640
Speaker 2: I find very few influencers to be of anything of influence.

1577
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 3: I do find many of them to be total schmucks.

1578
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 2: But you know, all I could say is I can

1579
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 2: read what they're writing and see for myself, so can you.

1580
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:41,160
Speaker 2: They're damn fools. Unbelievable. I favor redistricting. This brings us

1581
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:48,639
Speaker 2: back to Bohatchick. Bohatchick puts out a post that reads,

1582
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 2: many of you have asked my position on redistricting. I

1583
01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:56,680
Speaker 2: have been an unapologetic advocate for people with intellectual disabilities

1584
01:38:56,960 --> 01:38:59,000
Speaker 2: since the birth of my second daughter.

1585
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:02,639
Speaker 3: Those of you that don't know me or my family

1586
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:05,360
Speaker 3: might not know that my daughter has Down syndrome.

1587
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 2: This is not the first time our president has used

1588
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:12,719
Speaker 2: these insulting and derogatory references, and his choices of words

1589
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 2: have consequences.

1590
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:17,800
Speaker 3: I will be voting no on redissecting. Perhaps he can.

1591
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:20,120
Speaker 2: Use the next ten months to convince voters that his

1592
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:24,040
Speaker 2: policies and behavior deserve a congressional majority.

1593
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:28,280
Speaker 3: What in the world's happened? Well?

1594
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:34,559
Speaker 2: Donald Trump was talking about Governor Tim Walls and used

1595
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:41,160
Speaker 2: the R word to mean that he is mentally incapable

1596
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:47,800
Speaker 2: mentally disabled. Right now, I have no fear of words here,

1597
01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:51,599
Speaker 2: but my stations deal with different rules and regulations, and.

1598
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:53,519
Speaker 3: I try my best to respect them.

1599
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:57,720
Speaker 2: But I will play for you what happened on Air

1600
01:39:57,760 --> 01:40:00,840
Speaker 2: Force one when President Trump was asked about it, where

1601
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:04,200
Speaker 2: the words are used, and I'm going to play it

1602
01:40:04,280 --> 01:40:07,040
Speaker 2: straight so that I'm just I guess I'm letting you know.

1603
01:40:07,880 --> 01:40:08,720
Speaker 3: Walls and you.

1604
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:13,160
Speaker 8: Called him of what many Americans do find an offensive word, retarded.

1605
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:16,200
Speaker 8: Do you stand by that claim of calling some Walls retarded?

1606
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:18,760
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think there's something wrong with him, absolutely sure.

1607
01:40:19,160 --> 01:40:21,800
Speaker 3: You don't need you have a problem with you know what.

1608
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:23,639
Speaker 3: I think there's something wrong with him.

1609
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:26,559
Speaker 15: Anybody that would do what he did, anybody that would

1610
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:29,600
Speaker 15: allow those people into a state and pay billions of

1611
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:34,160
Speaker 15: dollars after Sama, Yet we give billions of dollars to Samalia.

1612
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:36,840
Speaker 15: It's not even a country because it doesn't function like

1613
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:39,400
Speaker 15: a country. It's got a name, but it doesn't function

1614
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:43,120
Speaker 15: like a country. Yeah, there's something wrong with Wolves.

1615
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:46,120
Speaker 2: I agree that there is something wrong with Walls, and

1616
01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:49,120
Speaker 2: I can agree that you may not like the choice

1617
01:40:49,120 --> 01:40:53,320
Speaker 2: of words. You may find it offensive and wrong, which

1618
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:55,920
Speaker 2: is how I responded.

1619
01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:58,320
Speaker 3: To Center Bahatchick.

1620
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:02,880
Speaker 2: If you missed the video, which when a good bit

1621
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:10,400
Speaker 2: of viral, it was this representative no matter how much

1622
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:13,240
Speaker 2: you feel insulted by the words of President Trump, and

1623
01:41:13,280 --> 01:41:13,799
Speaker 2: you're more.

1624
01:41:13,680 --> 01:41:15,320
Speaker 3: Than entitled to your.

1625
01:41:15,160 --> 01:41:19,080
Speaker 2: Position to therefore vote know on redistricting is simply wrong.

1626
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:21,800
Speaker 3: Coming from an emotional place as.

1627
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:23,640
Speaker 2: Opposed to a rational place is not what you were

1628
01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:27,000
Speaker 2: voted in to do. It's not what Hoosiers actually expect

1629
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:29,639
Speaker 2: or want. You can have a response to President Trump.

1630
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:31,599
Speaker 2: You can say he's wrong for the use of his words.

1631
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:34,200
Speaker 2: You could talk about your own personal family life and

1632
01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:37,599
Speaker 2: how much you despise that kind of word and that

1633
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:38,680
Speaker 2: kind of language.

1634
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:40,080
Speaker 3: You're more than welcome to do so.

1635
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 2: But making a decision on redistricting has to do with

1636
01:41:43,320 --> 01:41:46,719
Speaker 2: certainly power, certainly where the Republican Party has the power

1637
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:48,839
Speaker 2: in the state of Indiana, and taking a look.

1638
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:50,439
Speaker 3: At the board, what it is that.

1639
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:54,640
Speaker 2: Hoosier's nevermind Americans are looking at without redistricting. There is

1640
01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:57,439
Speaker 2: a value here, It is important, and we need to

1641
01:41:57,479 --> 01:42:01,000
Speaker 2: engage it rationally. There's an opportunity we should take it

1642
01:42:01,240 --> 01:42:02,880
Speaker 2: to take a look at the whole board, to take

1643
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:05,320
Speaker 2: a look at the retribution of California, Maryland and other

1644
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:06,519
Speaker 2: states and say we.

1645
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:07,920
Speaker 3: In Indiana will not have this.

1646
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:12,360
Speaker 2: Hoosiers will not tolerate this, that you are insulted, should

1647
01:42:12,439 --> 01:42:15,720
Speaker 2: not and cannot play a part in how you go

1648
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:19,200
Speaker 2: about voting. You, sir, are wrong. You're playing a game

1649
01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:22,280
Speaker 2: of emotion, and that's what Democrats do. That isn't why

1650
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:25,639
Speaker 2: you were voted in. This is a mistake. You're making

1651
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:27,920
Speaker 2: a mistake. I'm not saying you have to.

1652
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:30,320
Speaker 3: Do it because you like President Trump or like what

1653
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:31,320
Speaker 3: he had to say.

1654
01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:34,680
Speaker 2: I am saying that redistricting is a value to Hoosiers

1655
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:37,880
Speaker 2: and to America, and you should be a vote in

1656
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:40,400
Speaker 2: favor of it. To say you're not voting for it

1657
01:42:40,439 --> 01:42:44,800
Speaker 2: for something else, President Trump said, that's wrong. That's emotional.

1658
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:48,680
Speaker 2: That's not what we voted for, and that in and

1659
01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:52,000
Speaker 2: of itself should deserve a primary challenge. You should not

1660
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:56,599
Speaker 2: be surprised comes your way. You vote, not with your emotion,

1661
01:42:57,120 --> 01:43:02,800
Speaker 2: You vote rationally, So take the time rethink it. I

1662
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:05,520
Speaker 2: hope he comes to the decision to vote for redistricting.

1663
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:09,479
Speaker 2: I hope he does too. He doesn't have to. I

1664
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:13,599
Speaker 2: can't force him to. But the idea that you're going

1665
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:16,479
Speaker 2: to vote based on something President Trump said about something

1666
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:21,439
Speaker 2: else is indeed emotional, and I want to make sure

1667
01:43:21,479 --> 01:43:23,320
Speaker 2: that we're clear that.

1668
01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:25,600
Speaker 3: That is the part. That's disqualifying.

1669
01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:29,080
Speaker 2: If he simply wanted to say I'm not in favor

1670
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:31,080
Speaker 2: of this, I'm not in favor of this map, he

1671
01:43:31,120 --> 01:43:34,000
Speaker 2: could have voted no, he might not lose his seat.

1672
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:37,559
Speaker 2: But when you say I'm going to vote emotionally and

1673
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:42,880
Speaker 2: that's going to teach Donald Trump a lesson, that's garbage.

1674
01:43:42,920 --> 01:43:45,599
Speaker 2: People want to discuss the idea we shouldn't redistrict because

1675
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:49,840
Speaker 2: we should respect the citizens and the people, and they're

1676
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:57,599
Speaker 2: speaking out for Senator ba Hatcheck. It's not about the citizens,

1677
01:43:57,640 --> 01:44:04,160
Speaker 2: it's not about his constituents. It's about his feelings. Now,

1678
01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:08,639
Speaker 2: I said, and I'll say again, if Sena Bahatchick wants

1679
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:10,800
Speaker 2: to discuss this, I will discuss this. If he wants

1680
01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:14,120
Speaker 2: to get personal, I will get personal. I guarantee I

1681
01:44:14,160 --> 01:44:19,360
Speaker 2: can match him personal for personal. You cannot get me

1682
01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:22,240
Speaker 2: to move emotionally on this subject. And I have my reasons,

1683
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:25,120
Speaker 2: and one day I may very well share them. Some

1684
01:44:25,240 --> 01:44:28,559
Speaker 2: things I don't share, guys, because I believe somehow, in

1685
01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:32,040
Speaker 2: sharing it, I'm actually denigrating the actual argument.

1686
01:44:32,120 --> 01:44:34,240
Speaker 3: And I believe that the argument should in and of

1687
01:44:34,280 --> 01:44:35,240
Speaker 3: itself have value.

1688
01:44:35,439 --> 01:44:38,559
Speaker 2: Meaning, just because something is personal to me doesn't make

1689
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:42,559
Speaker 2: that thing correct doesn't make my argument or my point

1690
01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:44,720
Speaker 2: of view correct. It has to be correct without the

1691
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:45,880
Speaker 2: emotional part of it.

1692
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:49,800
Speaker 3: That's how I work. I hope Indianay districts.

1693
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:52,240
Speaker 2: I hope they utilize the power that was given to

1694
01:44:52,280 --> 01:44:55,120
Speaker 2: them by the people when Republicans won here and have

1695
01:44:55,200 --> 01:44:58,559
Speaker 2: a supermajority. But people who aren't going to vote for

1696
01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:00,800
Speaker 2: something because Trump said something they don't like and they

1697
01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:03,840
Speaker 2: want to act on emotion. I can't support that, and

1698
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:06,200
Speaker 2: I don't think you should either. I'm Tony Katz, and

1699
01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:10,280
Speaker 2: this is Tony Katz today. How afraid is this unity

1700
01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:11,960
Speaker 2: on the Republican side and.

1701
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:13,400
Speaker 3: What's causing it?

1702
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:17,439
Speaker 9: Well, what's causing it is they're scared to death of

1703
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:19,960
Speaker 9: the midterm election. So you cannot run in a mid

1704
01:45:20,040 --> 01:45:22,160
Speaker 9: term election by saying vote for us because we've done

1705
01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:26,200
Speaker 9: a great job, particularly win. People don't feel the consequences

1706
01:45:26,200 --> 01:45:31,120
Speaker 9: of the policies that you've enacted. If the President's big

1707
01:45:31,160 --> 01:45:36,880
Speaker 9: beautiful Bill was as instantaneously positive as he thinks, his

1708
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:39,920
Speaker 9: numbers wouldn't be on approval, numbers on the economy wouldn't

1709
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:42,000
Speaker 9: be in the thirties, and his overall approval wouldn't be

1710
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:45,200
Speaker 9: in the low forties. So Republicans are concerned and they

1711
01:45:45,240 --> 01:45:48,200
Speaker 9: need to have an agenda going into the twenty twenty

1712
01:45:48,240 --> 01:45:49,000
Speaker 9: six midterms.

1713
01:45:49,479 --> 01:45:53,080
Speaker 2: And what they're hoping for is that the tax cuts

1714
01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:56,120
Speaker 2: of the One Big Beautiful Bill will start seeing immediate

1715
01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:58,320
Speaker 2: dividends from people January February March.

1716
01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:00,439
Speaker 3: They'll say, oh, wait, this is excellent.

1717
01:46:00,439 --> 01:46:02,840
Speaker 2: Look what Republicans have done for us, and that that

1718
01:46:02,920 --> 01:46:06,439
Speaker 2: will carry into better economic fortunes and that will be

1719
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:09,360
Speaker 2: the headwinds, or I should say the tailwinds that pushed

1720
01:46:09,400 --> 01:46:12,200
Speaker 2: them along. And well, I don't know do they have

1721
01:46:12,439 --> 01:46:15,599
Speaker 2: wherever the winds come from and pushes them to victory

1722
01:46:15,640 --> 01:46:18,519
Speaker 2: in the midterms. That's Carl Rove being asked the question,

1723
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:22,120
Speaker 2: and we're still asking questions of Karl Rove, Tony Katz,

1724
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:26,400
Speaker 2: Tony Katz today, good to be with you. Oh, if

1725
01:46:26,400 --> 01:46:30,720
Speaker 2: the midterms were held today, Republicans would lose everything. There's

1726
01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:33,040
Speaker 2: a really interesting story about the amount of people weren't

1727
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:39,599
Speaker 2: running anymore because it's not fun. You know, it's all

1728
01:46:39,640 --> 01:46:41,679
Speaker 2: too much pressure, It all gets a little too crazy.

1729
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:45,760
Speaker 2: I can understand why people wouldn't want it. Yes, you

1730
01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:49,599
Speaker 2: need something positive to run on. Republicans do have many

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Speaker 2: things positive to run on. The economy is not there yet.

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Speaker 2: They are banking on the one big beautiful bill going

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Speaker 2: into implementation January first, to be a big part of that.

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Speaker 3: That's clear. Let's see if they're right.

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Speaker 2: Find everything I do over at Tony Katz dot com

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Speaker 2: and I'll catch you tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Everyone, be good, take care,