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Speaker 2: Yes, she was saying what the local company, local communities

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Speaker 1: All right, So Susie Javarowski is the energy nice tribe.

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Speaker 1: Broad administration not gonna stop us from talking about it.

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Speaker 1: Susie Javarowski, she is the Energy and Natural Resources Secretary.

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Speaker 3: Secretary of Energy and Natural Resources.

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Speaker 1: By the way, if you'd like to look this up,

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Speaker 1: she makes two hundred and seventy five thousand dollars and

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Speaker 1: eighteen cents eight. My favorite part is the eighteen cents.

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Speaker 1: Right like when they were negotiating with her to be

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Speaker 1: How about we throw in eighteen.

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Speaker 3: We need eighteen more cents piece, So two.

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Speaker 1: Hundred and seventy five thousand dollars and eighteen cents. According

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Speaker 1: point this out because this is the hypocrisy of these people.

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Speaker 4: Are the rediculousness of these people.

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Speaker 1: She is a failed former candidate for public office, so

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Speaker 1: she ran for state house, lost in the primary. And

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Speaker 1: they get rejected by the voters, and then they get

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Speaker 1: these cushy government jobs. Government is the only place where

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Speaker 1: other people after the voters said, thanks for the opportunity

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Speaker 1: She was speaking at the Fiscal Policy Institute. You know

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Speaker 1: We'll have him on later to talk about it, and

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Speaker 1: she basically not. Basically she did started attacking communities in

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Speaker 1: And she just went on direct attack at these companies,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was talking about that they should sue the

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Speaker 1: Now, the audio is a little hard to hear because

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Speaker 1: That's disgraceful. Personally, I think that those companies should start

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Speaker 3: We just had a right level position.

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Speaker 1: We just had Braun coming in here talk about how

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Speaker 5: We have to do something as a state.

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Speaker 1: The arrogance from that woman, just oozing the elitism oozing

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Speaker 1: out of that woman. First of all, let's talk about

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Speaker 1: There are how many data centers where there's like forty

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Speaker 4: Will you grant these incentives? And they say yes or no.

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Speaker 4: The elected body, be they be.

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Speaker 2: At the end, she seemed to allude that you aren't

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Speaker 4: She's gross.

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Speaker 1: She's a failed candidate who had her opportunity to tell

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Speaker 4: And so what she do.

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Speaker 1: She goes to this lunch, She gets this cushy government

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Speaker 1: Think about the Braun cabinet and Orbit right now, and

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Speaker 2: Don't do what we want, will sue you strong arming?

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Speaker 3: That's what you're getting, all right?

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Speaker 1: Uh, from one garbage to the next. We got to

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Speaker 1: talk about Diego Morales when we come back.

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Speaker 3: Is he going to go traveling against Jerdi Diego?

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Speaker 4: Maybe on the move?

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Speaker 3: Baby, it's Kennilly Casey. It's ninety three WIBC. Dirty yay go,

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Speaker 3: Oh dirty d yay go, Oh, dirty yay go.

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Speaker 5: Cry.

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Speaker 4: It's an audience favorite.

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Speaker 3: It's not for us to crap all over the Indiana

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Speaker 3: Secretary of State.

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Speaker 2: Diego morales He was recognizing National Voter Registration Day yesterday,

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Speaker 2: encouraging eligible Hoosiers to register to vote.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, he threw that one guy out. He

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Speaker 3: You gotta plug these things in. Why was it unplugged anyway?

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Speaker 1: So Diego Barrows, Now, look, we we told you this

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Speaker 1: many times. But the reason we have the theme song

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Speaker 1: dirty Diego for Diego Moralese and the inter Secretary of

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Speaker 1: State is because he is a dirty, rotten individual, completely

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Speaker 1: unethical at best, wholly corrupt at worse.

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Speaker 4: And the guy it's just all something with him.

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Speaker 2: And so.

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Speaker 1: One of the our old Paladi reporter at Indie Underscore

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Speaker 1: reporter Underscore on Twitter if you'd like to follow, and

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Speaker 1: found this posted this up. Diego was speaking at what

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Speaker 1: was this some business services event?

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Speaker 3: Is that right? Yeah? It was the Secretary of State

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Speaker 3: Business Services meeting.

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Speaker 3: Well, it looks like they.

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Speaker 3: Is he still under contract?

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Speaker 4: Well, that's a good question.

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Speaker 1: Now, you'd think for eighty grand so Diego's mysterious little

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Speaker 4: Hell that meant?

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Speaker 3: Checks on the business.

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Speaker 1: He checks on the business, And I said, what does

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Speaker 1: He checks on the all hundreds of thousands of businesses

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Speaker 1: So I'm not saying everybody needs to start connecting dots

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Speaker 1: Mass scrutiny over these bizarre international trips which he has

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Speaker 7: I mentioned the National Association of Secretaries of State our

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Speaker 7: The National Association of Secretaries of State has a Foreign

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Speaker 7: I want to ensure that Indiana is not left out

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Speaker 1: So I think, does he mean he's packing a seat,

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Speaker 4: Don't know when he'll be back again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're doing it, so I'm going to do it too.

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Speaker 1: Now, what I don't know is if Rajju just sells

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Speaker 1: I know most of these people in the State House,

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Speaker 4: And you go squish.

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Speaker 1: At some point, how bad do you need the money,

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Speaker 1: Governor Braun? You know we're somewhere between thirty six and

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Speaker 2: Did you see the beginning of the meeting He started

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Speaker 3: Important budget meeting we miss We haven't missed any of

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Speaker 1: He's acting like, so when I was in high school,

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Speaker 4: Like, look at my perfect attendants have paid for India.

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Speaker 4: I paid for India.

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Speaker 1: I won't show you any proof I paid for India. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So Jim Merritt's going to join us next. He's good

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Speaker 1: friends with old Susie Javoroski, the energy secretary who basically said,

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Speaker 3: It's Kennily Casey on ninety three w IBC.

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Speaker 4: Hey, your friends stepped in it, Marret, Oh, my friend Susie.

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Speaker 4: All right, it's kettle a Casey show. I'm Rob Casey's here.

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Speaker 4: Look who it is thirty years in the Indiana said

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Speaker 4: it the great Jim Merritt. Hello, hello, Robert. All right,

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Speaker 4: so you're very good friends with Susie Javoroski. It will

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Speaker 6: And you know, I stand behind my friends.

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Speaker 4: I know like you, how many people just have have

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Speaker 6: There there is a trail.

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Speaker 4: There's a trail.

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Speaker 1: A body language expert would destroy you because your head

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Speaker 4: I stick with my friends. This is the thing I

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Speaker 1: He is the most loyal person I have ever met.

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Speaker 1: And the boy you're gonna need to be with this one.

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Speaker 6: Impactful person the Department of Energy for the Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so she went on, she was at the Fiscal

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Speaker 1: If you have you talked to your dear friend, I.

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Speaker 1: If you could doc to your dear friend, I'm probably

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Speaker 4: What would you I cannot believe. I look, I know

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Speaker 6: Well, I disagree with her, and uh And I think

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Speaker 6: And they made a relationship with our friend Farmer Ryan.

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Speaker 4: And there's more to that.

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Speaker 6: And so the bottom line here is you have to

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Speaker 4: Are talking about the proposed Google data center exactly.

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Speaker 6: And you look at Tennessee, a Tennessee that doesn't have

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Speaker 1: Suzy Javarowski said, quote, these local moratoriums are setting our

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Speaker 6: It's very important for the Brown administration, who in the

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Speaker 6: But it's very very important for them to lay out

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about it, because what she's basically saying, so

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Speaker 4: Not everyone.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, the reason we don't have more

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Speaker 4: So we don't have all the information.

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Speaker 1: The economic development local economic development corporations for incentives whatever.

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Speaker 4: Then they go to the Planning Commission. People have a

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Speaker 4: chance to speak there.

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Speaker 1: And then the final step, final boss, if you will,

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Speaker 1: are the elected people. And naturally the beaver pitch grows

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Speaker 1: throughout this thing, and the people most likely to listen

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Speaker 1: to the constituents are the elected people. That's how the

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Speaker 1: process works. And she comes off so eloop and out

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Speaker 1: of touch on this, basically knocking these elected officials who.

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Speaker 4: Are listening to their constituents.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, and transparency rules the day. With anything in government,

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Speaker 6: it rules today. And what has happened in Marion County

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Speaker 6: with this data center is that there hasn't been enough

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Speaker 6: conversation and the case has not been made that this

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Speaker 6: is a good for employment, This is good for the

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Speaker 6: utility base, This is good for the ratepayer, This is

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Speaker 6: good for the citizens. This will create jobs. This will

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Speaker 6: lift up Franklin Township, which is eighty six percent residential

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Speaker 6: and they don't have the base of retail of industrial

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Speaker 6: that the pay taxes. That will will help the school

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Speaker 6: system in the regards to UH, making Franklin Township flourish.

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Speaker 6: And the case has just not been made to the

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Speaker 6: to the populace, to the citizens read that this is

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Speaker 6: a good project.

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Speaker 3: What do you think about the non disclosure agreement?

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Speaker 6: I think in your in what you're referring to is

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Speaker 6: with the superintendent of schools in Franklin Township.

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Speaker 4: That will all come out in the wash, but it

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Speaker 4: will be late. And and UH, I think.

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Speaker 6: With any any governmental, any government you have to isn't

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Speaker 6: it be wide open with this? And and it makes

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Speaker 6: the case that something untoard is going on when you

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Speaker 6: have a DNA.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, So Jim Merrit's our guests, former

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Speaker 1: state senator. We're talking about, uh, the energy secretary pissing

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Speaker 1: the entire state off.

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Speaker 4: I mean to say that these companies should sue communities?

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Speaker 1: What was she thinking when she said that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's one thing to say, Look, I think we're missing

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Speaker 1: the boat here on this. Look, we've got to come

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Speaker 1: up with a you know, more coherent statewide policy. Look,

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Speaker 1: we got to find a way to you know, get

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Speaker 1: everybody on the same page quicker than all of those

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Speaker 1: things you could say. But to say that these mega

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Speaker 1: corps should be suing communities who are making very hard,

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Speaker 1: oftentimes well thought out decisions about land usage, what in

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Speaker 1: the world was she thinking.

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Speaker 6: I don't know where the origin or what the origin

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Speaker 6: would be for a lawsuit in this regard. I don't

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Speaker 6: know how a corporation is being wronged in regards to

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Speaker 6: a negotiation right now.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 6: Now, if a decision that had already been made and

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Speaker 6: there was something that was illegal in the in that decision,

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Speaker 6: then there might be a basis for lawsuit. But I'm

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Speaker 6: really I don't know where she's coming from in that regard.

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Speaker 1: All right, So let's talk real quick before I let

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Speaker 1: you go about bronze cabinet, the people around him. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he's got to make some changes, right, He's got this

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Speaker 1: woman who's now giving him a bunch of headaches. He's

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Speaker 1: got the Jennifer Ruth Green debacle, which is giving him

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Speaker 1: a bunch of headaches. He's had people like Ken Abernethy

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Speaker 1: over there at the BMV who just or not not

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Speaker 1: be a in dot thank you, who just schedoodled out

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Speaker 1: the door in dot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Ken Abernethy was the head of end DOT after in

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Speaker 4: just a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I mean there's a you know, Jose Evans

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Speaker 1: over at the Civil Rights Commission. Somebody is telling him

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Speaker 1: to pick these people and it ain't going well. And

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Speaker 1: at somebody, if you're brawn, don't you have to start

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Speaker 1: looking at the people who are telling you to pick

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Speaker 1: these people.

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Speaker 6: Well, your administration uh speaks for you. Yeah, you're the

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Speaker 6: performance of your staff, of your cabinet or everything to you.

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Speaker 6: You know, you witness the Trump one. Uh, and when

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Speaker 6: he was elected and now now his his cabinet now

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Speaker 6: is completely different. And and I think his cabinet is

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Speaker 6: working very very well for him. More of his personality

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Speaker 6: meaning Trump and and at the.

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Speaker 4: Bottom line is have you heard about Pam Bondi and

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Speaker 4: cash matel.

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Speaker 5: And Uh.

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Speaker 6: He is a he he he is a rampager and

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Speaker 6: they are in his eye doing what he wants them

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Speaker 6: to do. Now with with Braun, I'd be very concerned

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Speaker 6: about my staff. I'd be very concerned about my cabinet

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Speaker 6: and his comments that Abdulla have been reporting on WOO

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Speaker 6: and radio and Fort Wayne.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 4: He he's trying to about special session.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, special session whatnot?

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 6: The governor is going to have to work on a

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Speaker 6: daily basis with the media. Uh to infemost of how

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Speaker 6: he wants the next three years ago.

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Speaker 2: Seems to me he always likes to comment like, well,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to see what the legislature wants to do

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Speaker 2: and this is up to them.

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Speaker 3: At what point does he become the lead he's the governor.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, it's kind of a sea change because

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Speaker 6: the Governor Holcombe worked through seventy executive orders with COVID

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Speaker 6: and he was kind of he operated as a as

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Speaker 6: a government himself rather than relying in the legislature, which

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Speaker 6: I always say it's one hundred and fifty members of

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Speaker 6: a board in the state of Indiana because they work

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Speaker 6: with the governor, and the governor's going to have to

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Speaker 6: make a decision on a special session regarding if they

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Speaker 6: want a redistrict, and it's going to be his decision,

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Speaker 6: and his decision alone is he we gotta go.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, we got to go. We're running along. Case okay,

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Speaker 4: all right, sorry about that. A Jim Merritt.

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Speaker 1: Find him on Twitter at Jim Underscore, Merrit and Merit

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Speaker 1: in the morning on Facebook.

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Speaker 4: You're the best. Thank you, Robert.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of a casey on ninety three WIBC.

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Speaker 4: Were you impressed? I knew what that was.

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Speaker 3: I was very impressed.

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Speaker 1: Like most people think Rob has no idea what's going

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Speaker 1: on in pop culture, he knows nothing most of the time.

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Speaker 4: That's true.

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Speaker 1: But I was watching a thing and Michael Douglass popped

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Speaker 1: on it and it looked like it was an ad

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Speaker 1: of some sort on the TV, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: I bet that score that they have where they judge

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Speaker 1: how effective celebrities are with Michael Douglas is very high

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Speaker 1: amongst older people. And then and then I would say,

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Speaker 1: you know, what I'm talking about. You kind of give

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Speaker 1: you a deer in the headlight look for a minute.

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Speaker 3: Well, and I said, the Q score.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I tried to explain it to you because I

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Speaker 1: don't know what any of this stuff is, but I

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Speaker 1: just always remember hearing about that and I that's a thing, right,

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Speaker 1: it is.

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Speaker 3: It's a thing.

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Speaker 2: It's a measurement of a celebrity's recognizability and likability among

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Speaker 2: the general public.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you have found the list of the top people,

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Speaker 1: the top Q scorers. Yeah, so next hour, next hour,

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Speaker 1: we're going to play a little game or I'm going

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Speaker 1: to try to guess. We'll tell you how they rank

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Speaker 1: these feel there's an actual formula on who the on

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Speaker 1: on who the top people are.

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Speaker 4: Casey's going to walk us through the.

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Speaker 1: Formula, and then I'm going to try to guess, based

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Speaker 1: on that formula, who the top celebrity endorsers are. That's

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Speaker 1: in terms of effectiveness the score.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The purpose of the Q score it's used in advertising, marketing,

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Speaker 2: and media and they use it to determine how valuable

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Speaker 2: a public figure is for endorsements, TV shows, or brand partnership.

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Speaker 4: All right, so we'll do that next hour.

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Speaker 1: Also coming up next hour, In fact, coming up next segment,

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Speaker 1: Casey and I have a very big announcement coming up

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Speaker 1: for you.

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Speaker 4: I teased it a little bit yesterday on social media.

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Speaker 4: We've spent.

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Speaker 1: Quite a bit of time getting all the i's dotted

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Speaker 1: and teas crossed.

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Speaker 4: And this is related to something that we.

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Speaker 1: Have been mentioning and has been mentioned in the media

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Speaker 1: for quite some time now, and there's a great bit of.

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Speaker 4: Intrigue and interest related to that.

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Speaker 1: And I feel very good now saying that we can

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Speaker 1: make this announcement coming up at ten o'clock. So oh,

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Speaker 1: and then the other thing we got to talk about

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Speaker 1: next hour. Everybody needs to stay around for that. But then,

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Speaker 1: did you like we have long had the debate about the.

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Speaker 3: Lottery right should you take the payout or not?

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Speaker 4: Or take the payout over time?

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Speaker 1: And there's something happening in our country right now that

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Speaker 1: gives me peace and a definitive answer to whether.

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Speaker 3: Take the payoffs, take the payout or not.

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Speaker 4: All right, So big announcement coming up next.

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Speaker 3: It's Kennel and Casey. It's ninety three w ib C