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Speaker 1: Bo Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 3: Welcome afternoon, and welcome to the Gun Guy Show here

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Speaker 3: on ninety three WYBC with thrilled you with us beautiful, beautiful,

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Speaker 3: beautiful Saturday afternoon. I'll tell you what. I had every

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Speaker 3: intention of going out and busting some clays. I'm shooting

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Speaker 3: in a fundraiser for Salvation Army. I've talked about it

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Speaker 3: you just google clays for a cause, Salvation Army, September eleventh.

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Speaker 3: I believe there are still just a few spots that's

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Speaker 3: It's kind of my home club where I learned how

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Speaker 3: But if you like to come out, you don't have

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Speaker 3: to have any experience, I mean none. My first tournament

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Speaker 3: money for at risk and underprivileged kids to attend a

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Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WIBC. So, as I mentioned in

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Speaker 3: Mike has called in, and Mike, welcome to the Gun

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Speaker 5: Uh? Well, I've been hearing uh prom talking about the

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Speaker 5: transgender band for weapons, and I just don't think that's

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Speaker 5: gonna fly. And uh, I was thinking more on the

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Speaker 5: uh lines of uh you know, people that have to

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Speaker 5: take antidepressants, you know, so long off and those lines

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Speaker 5: of uh medications because all of them talk about serial

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Speaker 5: final tendencies and violent reactions, and you know, would that

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Speaker 5: be more of a way to maybe cure some of

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Speaker 5: this violence and shootings, much like the you know, the

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Speaker 5: marijuana laws. If you have a medical ID or a

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Speaker 5: medical uh you know medical marijuana card that uh, you

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Speaker 5: can't have a gun license because you're admitting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't. You can't buy a gun. You can't

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Speaker 3: possess a gun, even in a state where it's been legal.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And even if you have a medical marijuana card or

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Speaker 3: your state allows the purchase of recreational marijuana to your point,

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Speaker 3: because it's still illegal at the federal level. And and listen, Mike,

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Speaker 3: you raise an interesting point, which is we start talking

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Speaker 3: about these psychotropic drugs, and that's the term I hear

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Speaker 3: a lot, And to be honest with you, you know,

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Speaker 3: not being a pharmacologist, pharmacist, whatever term you want to use,

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Speaker 3: and listen, a lot of people are are on you know,

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Speaker 3: mild antidepressants that that are just fine, that get along great,

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Speaker 3: that function wonderfully in society. I mean Prozac I think probably, uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, developed right here by your own beloved Deli

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Speaker 3: lily In in Indie and has made that company in

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Speaker 3: an awful lot of money over an awful lot of years.

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Speaker 3: But are you know, are you a danger to society

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Speaker 3: simply because a doctor has seen fit to prescribe prozac

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Speaker 3: to you? I'm one hundred percent sure that you're not

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Speaker 3: by definition, just because you've been prescribed and take that medication,

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Speaker 3: because millions and millions and millions of people have taken

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Speaker 3: an awful lot of prozac for an awful long time

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Speaker 3: and or never remotely violent and in fact get along

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Speaker 3: in society a lot better. Now, you do hear about

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Speaker 3: a lot of these shooters and a lot of these

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Speaker 3: are being adolescents who turned into school shooters or other

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Speaker 3: mass shooters, and they're and you mentioned zoloft, and listen,

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Speaker 3: I don't know enough about that particular drug to comment

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Speaker 3: But you do hear, I do hear about an awful

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Speaker 3: lot of the Denver shooter, you know, who shot up

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Speaker 3: the theater, uh during a viewing of A Dark Knight,

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Speaker 3: the Batman movie, and killed so many people in that

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Speaker 3: theater you talked about. And that guy was just a

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Speaker 3: zombie when they showed him, uh, you know, in the

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Speaker 3: courtroom where they showed him after being arrested. He just

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Speaker 3: wasn't there. He was on another planet. And and whether

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Speaker 3: that's purely mental illness because of the medications he was

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Speaker 3: on or some combination thereof, I do not know. And

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Speaker 3: a lot of these, a lot of these drugs. In fact,

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Speaker 3: I saw a great Tucker Carlson on this, a fabulous one.

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Speaker 3: My wife directed me to this, and we sat and

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Speaker 3: watched the whole thing, and I commended to your viewing.

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Speaker 3: Is there was just a great Tucker Carlson really talked

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Speaker 3: about known side effects of some of these psychotropic drugs

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Speaker 3: including violence, and and and and and and is there

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Speaker 3: something there? I would never just reject that and say no.

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Speaker 3: So I think I think Mike is onto something potentially smart.

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Speaker 3: And it's not because someone's just transgender, which is not

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Speaker 3: what Mike was suggesting at all. It's if you're on

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Speaker 3: particular drugs, should you at least be someone some under

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Speaker 3: some additional scrutiny or go through some additional testing to

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Speaker 3: determine if those drugs are really appropriate for you, Not

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Speaker 3: purely as a condition of possessing a gun. I don't

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Speaker 3: want to put those kind of restrictions on a Second

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Speaker 3: Amendment right, but to the extent there's some determination that

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Speaker 3: you are, in fact now a credible threat. Okay, now

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Speaker 3: you're you're getting clothes to wear. Some restriction on constitutional freedoms,

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Speaker 3: maybe legal and constitutional based on the Rahimi decision from

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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court, but this broad categorization that we're talking about,

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Speaker 3: at least that the Justice Department talked about, we're considering

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Speaker 3: if you're transgender, you can't possess a gun. We'll put

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Speaker 3: you in prison if you do. Hell no, And again

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Speaker 3: I'm not suggesting Mike was saying anything different than what

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Speaker 3: I am. And some of these drugs. Are they overprescribed? Yes?

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Speaker 3: Do they cause effects that could make people violent? Yes?

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Speaker 3: Have some of our worst mass shooters been on those

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Speaker 3: precise drugs? Yes? There are something we should be looking

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Speaker 3: at there. Oh hell yes. But that's not just because

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Speaker 3: someone decides a lot of times based on peer pressure,

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Speaker 3: based on not being accepted, you know, living the lifestyle

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Speaker 3: that they're currently living. And they see people celebrated on

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Speaker 3: magazine covers and winning awards and showing up on talk

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Speaker 3: shows and everybody's patting them on the back because they're

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Speaker 3: so brave because they've decided that they're in fact the

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Speaker 3: opposite sex, and all these people support them and prop

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Speaker 3: them up and then celebrate them. And can some kids

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Speaker 3: look at that and say, oh gosh, I want a

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Speaker 3: part of that. I want to go from being shunned

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Speaker 3: and ignored by my classmates or my peers and just

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Speaker 3: suddenly being hoisted up and praised and acknowledged and called

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Speaker 3: brave and a pioneer and all those things we see

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Speaker 3: associated with transgenderism. I can see kids want to do

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Speaker 3: that for purely the kinds of reasons that drive adolescent

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Speaker 3: behavior to begin with no, Why do I want to

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Speaker 3: suddenly label that personal? Oh there you go, You got

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Speaker 3: a mental illness that deprives you of your constitutional freedoms?

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Speaker 3: Oh hell no, absolutely not. And that's what we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: Let's wrap up that discussion. We're going to have a

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Speaker 3: very short segment. When we come back, we'll get into

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Speaker 3: our number two shift gears. Is Indiana really to blame

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Speaker 3: for Chicago crime?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 3: With President Trump talking about sending National Guard into Chicago

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Speaker 3: like he has done in DC to stem crime, a

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Speaker 3: lot of people are saying, well, we don't need the

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Speaker 3: National Guard. We just need Indiana to stiffen up its

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Speaker 3: gun laws. Hey, and then that would just do away

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Speaker 3: with crime in Chicago. The gangs won't shoow each other anymore.

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Speaker 3: They're just all that evil. Indiana would fix its gun laws.

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Speaker 3: Any credence to that, to the numbers support that we'll

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Speaker 3: get into. We come back, certainly into our number two,

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Speaker 3: says Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show. Give us

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Speaker 3: a call, join the discussion. Three one seven two three

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Speaker 3: nine ninety three ninety three three one seven ninety three

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Speaker 3: ninety three, says Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show.

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Speaker 3: On ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 1: Your rights, your responsibilities, your guns. This is the Gun

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Speaker 1: Guy with Guy Relford on ninety three WYDC.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back, as Uh as I indicate it. We've

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Speaker 3: got a very short segment. We got about a minute.

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Speaker 3: But well, Linda I think has called in and uh

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Speaker 3: has a comment. We'll welcome to the Gun Guy Show.

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Speaker 6: Hello, I am transgender. Won't this talk about Bannon guns?

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Speaker 6: It's just making me a little nervous for us people

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Speaker 6: like that who are really transgender. I'm not just I'm

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Speaker 6: living my life as a woman, and I thought, as

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Speaker 6: long as I could not to live do this. But

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Speaker 6: I'm about to kill myself before I did this, and

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Speaker 6: now I'm doing much better.

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Speaker 3: Well, do you say you're doing much better? Do you

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Speaker 3: think if you had access to a gun you'd be

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Speaker 3: more likely to commit suicide based on what you've gone through?

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Speaker 6: No, I'm saying a psychiatrist and psychologists and doing what

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Speaker 6: I need to do to take care of myself.

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Speaker 3: All right. Do you think there's something about being transgender

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Speaker 3: that naturally makes you more of a risk to hurt

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Speaker 6: No? No, But if those people that are doing who

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Speaker 6: are out there shooting people up. I want to actually

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Speaker 6: on hormones and trying to live their wife his life

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Speaker 6: as the right.

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Speaker 3: And Melinda, I hate to cut you off and thanks

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Speaker 3: so much for calling and good luck to you. But

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Speaker 3: right now we're top of the hour. Gotta take a break.

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Speaker 3: This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on

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Speaker 3: ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 1: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of

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Speaker 1: a free state, the right of the people to keep

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Speaker 1: in their arms shall not be infringed. This is the

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Speaker 1: Second Amendment, and this is the Gun Guy a.

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Speaker 1: Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back for hour number two The Gun Guys

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Speaker 3: Show here on ninety three WIBC. Shout out to the

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Speaker 3: good folks on the YouTube feed, especially those that are

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Speaker 3: I have to admit, and watching the show on video

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Speaker 3: But the chat feature I think is something that people

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Speaker 3: It's hard to keep up with during live radio, but

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Speaker 3: up on my email. I'm sure not quite sure how

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Speaker 3: memories for September sixth in years past, fairly recently and

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Speaker 3: this is one of the first time that we did

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Speaker 3: heard of that, it's where and we've done three, I think,

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Speaker 3: whole premise behind that podcast, and he and Ryan Hendrick

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Speaker 3: and he always gets a huge applause. Anyway, I don't

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Speaker 3: If I hear about one, I will throw it out

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Speaker 3: there because it's just so much fun. It's fun for me.

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Speaker 3: E though I've had my show now for ten years,

646
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 3: doesn't seem like it. I still kind of feel like

647
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 3: a rookie around here, since I just do the weekend

648
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 3: show and occasionally fill in on Hammer Nigel and then

649
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 3: of course do Monday Gun Day on Hammer Nigel. But

650
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 3: at any rate, it's a lot of fun to meet

651
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 3: listeners and have an evening where we can have some

652
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 3: cocktails and interact a little bit. And then the other

653
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: memory that came up, also from September sixth, from twenty

654
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 3: twenty two, was I was just wrapping up a defensive

655
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 3: car being course out at gunsight out in Paulton, Arizona,

656
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 3: and listen, my former sheriff I live in Boone County.

657
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 3: I live in Sionsville, so that's in Boone County obviously,

658
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 3: and my sheriff for several years was Ken Campbell, and

659
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 3: Ken Campbell just a wonderful, wonderful county sheriff. It is

660
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 3: also it was also at the time a guest instructor

661
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: and has been a wonderful firearms instructor for decades. But

662
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 3: he became a guest instructor out of Gun Site, which

663
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 3: is primarily based out in Paulden. They teach other places,

664
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 3: and after leaving law enforcement, he ended up being out

665
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 3: there first. He was the chief operating officer now the

666
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 3: chief executive officer at gun Site in Pauldon, Arizona. And

667
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, there is just no better place

668
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 3: to go train. I've been in a lot of places

669
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 3: around the country, and I've taken a lot of courses

670
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 3: around the country, and Gun Site is it, man, It's

671
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 3: definitely the top of the list. I think it's the

672
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 3: finest civilian firearms training facility on Earth. And listen, that's

673
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 3: not because they pay me to promote him or anything

674
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 3: like that. I just love to go out there and train.

675
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 3: But I had a great group picture that came up

676
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 3: in my memories, and I to tell you that course

677
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 3: completely whipped my ass. That course was rough. It was

678
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 3: a car being course. So I'm taking it with an ar.

679
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 3: Most people are take taking it with ars. There. I

680
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 3: think there was maybe an AK or two, and we

681
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 3: had some bullpups out there as well, but primarily ars.

682
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 3: And I got to tell you, you know, whenever you're

683
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 3: doing a course like this, they always have the so

684
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 3: called alternative shooting positions. Right, so you're gonna shoot from prone, right,

685
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:21,959
Speaker 3: we're flat out on the ground, and you're gonna shoot

686
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 3: from kneeling, squatting, sitting, and then there's a whole bunch

687
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 3: of transitioning between the different positions. It's like, okay, you're

688
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 3: gonna prop down prone and fire so many shots and

689
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 3: then come up to kneeling and then squatting and then

690
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 3: you know, come up to standing and shoot a number

691
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: of targets. Or there was a more or less an

692
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 3: obstacle course we had to run where we had to

693
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 3: crawl down into one where you had to crawl through

694
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 3: like almost like a dog cage kind of thing, and

695
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: get out the other end of it and shoot from

696
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 3: that position and crawl back out of the thing and

697
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 3: squat down and shoot from behind a stump or tree

698
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 3: branch and a whole bunch of things. And it was

699
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 3: fabulous training. It was absolutely fabulous training. I think I

700
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 3: was the oldest one in this course by a good

701
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 3: fifteen or twenty year. It may have been somebody else

702
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 3: in their forties. I don't know that anybody else there

703
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 3: was in their sixties as I was at the time.

704
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 3: But I gotta tell you, so I ran everything. I

705
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 3: did every drill, and I would tell them I go,

706
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 3: this may not be real fast and it may not

707
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 3: be real pretty, but I'm gonna get it done. And

708
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 3: the beginning of the week I was keeping up pretty

709
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 3: well on the whole physical thing. My big problems knees.

710
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 3: You know, I played football for I don't know what

711
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 3: fourteen years and had a couple of knee surgeries, and

712
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 3: my knees have not done well over the years, and

713
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 3: I won't bemoan that anymore. But if my knees would

714
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 3: have cooperated, I have a hell of a lot better time.

715
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 3: But I still had just a fabulous training experience out there,

716
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 3: as I always do, and it was funny as I

717
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 3: was leaving, and it was funny because I was wearing shorts.

718
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 3: And Ken Campbell, of the CEO, came up. And we've

719
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 3: been friends for a long time, says before he went

720
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 3: out permanently to Arizona. And he came up and I

721
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 3: was I was kind of rubbing one knee and he

722
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 3: looked at it. He goes, He goes, dude, I think

723
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 3: your knees are bigger around than your thighs are right now,

724
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 3: because my piece were all swollen. And I thought, you know,

725
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 3: that doesn't say good things about my knees or my thighs.

726
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 3: My knees were swollen up like balloons, and and but

727
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 3: that none of that detracts from the fabulous experience out there,

728
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 3: and I don't mean it that way. And and Ken

729
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 3: reminded me that at at Gunsight they have now what

730
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 3: they call they're seasoned, not senior, but seasoned, the citizen courses,

731
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 3: and it's it's the same course. They don't do the

732
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 3: same testing at the end. You don't necessarily get the

733
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 3: same designations like expert and that kind of thing. You

734
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: can get out of running their regular courses where you're

735
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 3: doing every drill. The way is designed to be taught

736
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 3: out there, but it's it's without the ups and downs.

737
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 3: It's out without the you know, getting on the ground

738
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 3: getting up from the ground about ten million times, which

739
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 3: we did in my car. Being course at least have

740
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 3: felt that way. So now they have the seasoned citizen

741
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 3: court courses out there they've had for a few years,

742
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 3: where it's all the same training, but without the ups

743
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 3: and downs. And I thought, man, that's a concession I

744
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 3: don't necessarily want to make. I mean, I mean, yeah,

745
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 3: hell yeah, I mean I'm getting ready here. In November,

746
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 3: I'll turn sixty eight years old. I bought two years

747
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 3: from seventy. Yikes, there's no way that's not seasoned, whatever

748
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 3: definition you want to apply to that. But damn, I've

749
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 3: been in denial on the age thing for a long time,

750
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 3: and I hate to admit I still can't go out

751
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 3: there and do everything the younger people can do. So

752
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 3: I think I'm going to take at least one more

753
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 3: of the rifle classes out there where I'm doing every

754
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 3: damn thing. And as soon as I if I ever

755
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 3: have to bow out of a drill or I just

756
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 3: can't physically do it, then all right, I may move

757
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: on and admit the handicap that is old age. But

758
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 3: in the meantime I didn't really even tend to go

759
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: into this, and in the meantime I found myself making

760
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 3: fun of myself a little bit. But what a great memory.

761
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 3: And listen, there's no there's no compensation coming back towards

762
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 3: me for this. I just love training out there, and

763
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 3: the picture brought back a lot of great memories, a

764
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: lot of really good people in my course, and really

765
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 3: great instructors. Our lead instructor are range masters. They called

766
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 3: him out there for this carbing class, gentleman named Walt,

767
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:26,760
Speaker 3: and for the life of me, I can't remember Walt's

768
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 3: last name right now. As I said, I didn't really

769
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 3: it tend to go down this road on the show.

770
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 3: But Walt was like a six time long distance rifle champion,

771
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 3: world world champion in terms of precision shooting, and he

772
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 3: also teaches their precision shooting courses out there as well

773
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 3: as range master for those and my goodness, six time

774
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 3: world champion. This guy is a marksman like nobody's business.

775
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, I think wall is at

776
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 3: least my age. Yeah, he's one way or the other.

777
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 3: He may be older than me, maybe a little younger,

778
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 3: but I bet we were within three or four years

779
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 3: of each other, and what was doing every damn thing.

780
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 3: He was popping on the ground, popping right back up

781
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 3: like a damn gymnast. So so age is not is

782
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 3: not necessarily an excuse for me. But it was just

783
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 3: great experience. So forgive the departure there. I'm reminiscing. I'm

784
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 3: looking at the picture I posted on Facebook. Just think

785
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 3: about what a great experience it was. If you get

786
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 3: an opportunity, please do that. Right now, we're taking a

787
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 3: break at the quarter role. We'll come back. I'll talk

788
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 3: about the allegation that I don't know. I've heard this

789
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 3: all this week. Week and a half, National Guard troops

790
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 3: going to Chicago. Oh heck no, we just need to

791
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 3: change Indiana's gun laws and that'll fix the crime problem

792
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 3: in Chicago. Any credibility behind that, That's what we'll get

793
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 3: into when we come back. This Guy Ralford on The

794
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 3: Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC.

795
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Speaker 1: Now you got a gun guy, Guy Ralford three WYPC.

796
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 3: And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on the Gun I

797
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 3: Show on ninety three WIBC. So there's a common refrain

798
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 3: you heard, You've heard it for a lot of years.

799
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 3: Obama came out. In fact, I screamed at the TV

800
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 3: I was seeing. It was a it was a town

801
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 3: hall type of event where President Obama was speaking, and

802
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 3: he started talking about crime and the need for gun

803
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 3: control and all the same refrains we hear from liberal

804
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 3: politicians over and over. But he made an entirely false claim.

805
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 3: It was absolutely fictitious. He go out and find us

806
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 3: on the internet, so I remember it clear as bell.

807
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 3: It's out there. He made the claim that forty of

808
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 3: guns recovered from Chicago crime scenes came from Indiana. There

809
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 3: were originally purchased in Indiana, and said, there you go,

810
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 3: look at that. And if only Indiana didn't have such

811
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 3: lax gun loss that's the term, y'all always here lacks

812
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 3: gun laws, then we'd have much less crime in Chicago.

813
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 3: So it's not that gun control doesn't work, because you'll

814
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 3: hear a lot of people on the conservative side of

815
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 3: the equation, or the pro Second Amendment side of the equation,

816
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 3: where I am say, well, if gun control work, why

817
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 3: do these Democrat controlled cities and Democrat controlled states where

818
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 3: they have every they have the wish list, they have

819
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 3: the cornucopia of gun control laws California and Maryland, where

820
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 3: Baltimore is California, where in La is Chicago. In Illinois

821
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 3: has passed every conceivable law. If there's a law that

822
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 3: Mom's Demand Action wants to see on the books, they

823
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 3: have it in California, they have it in Illinois, have

824
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 3: it in Maryland, have it in New York, New Jersey, Hawaii, Washington, Oregon,

825
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:58,479
Speaker 3: several others where liberals, because of the large cities within

826
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 3: those states, control the state legislatures. They've got the whole

827
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 3: wish list. So why do you see such out of

828
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 3: control crime? Look at the hell hole that Portland has

829
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 3: become here lately because they've just decided, well, I don't

830
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 3: know if you have purple hair otherwise or liberal Waco,

831
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 3: we just won't enforce any existing laws against you whatsoever.

832
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, law abiding citizens are completely

833
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 3: hamstrung and their ability to defend themselves. And so you

834
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 3: look at all of this, and the point of President

835
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 3: Obama in this town hall was, well, it's not the

836
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 3: fact that gun control doesn't work. Gun control works great.

837
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 3: It's just that there are these lacks gun controls in

838
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 3: adjoining states like Indiana, and people buy guns legally in Indiana,

839
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 3: and then they bring them to Illinois and Chicago specifically,

840
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 3: and they commit all these crimes. And so we just

841
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 3: need to fix Indiana gun laws in order to prevent

842
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 3: all this crime. And you're hearing that all the time

843
00:49:55,440 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 3: right now, whether it's from national politicians Tuck Schumer, et cetera,

844
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 3: or people lashing out against President Trump for even talking

845
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 3: about considering sending the National Guard in Chicago like he's

846
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 3: done in d C. And by the way, on that point,

847
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 3: just initially, it's a basic premise here. We need to

848
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 3: get our heads around, which is sending the National Guard

849
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 3: in to do any form of law enforcement quote unquote

850
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 3: into Chicago is a whole different deal than Washington, d C.

851
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 3: Why Because Washington, d C. Is federal territory, and what

852
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 3: President Trump has the authority to do and what's not

853
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 3: prohibited on federal territory in federal land is completely different

854
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 3: than what he's legally able to do in terms of

855
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 3: law enforcement using federal law enforcement, in this case, military personnel,

856
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 3: that's a whole different deal. We have posse comatatis. It's

857
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 3: actually not part of the Constitution, but it's been a

858
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 3: federal statute for a long long time says military can't

859
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 3: be used domestically certain exceptions, But to send them out

860
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 3: and say, well, now you're going to be the cops

861
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 3: in Chicago, and they're getting around that. They're saying no, no, no,

862
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 3: They're going to be there to protect federal personnel. They're

863
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 3: going to be there to protect federal property like courthouses

864
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 3: or ice offices or atf offices, not going to do

865
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,479
Speaker 3: domestic law enforcement when that's not what we're using them force.

866
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 3: Will we pass muster under what's currently prohibited? I get

867
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 3: all that, but it's a whole different equation what he

868
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 3: can do in Chicago versus what he can do in DC,

869
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 3: what he can do in any other state or any

870
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 3: other city like Baltimore, which he's talked about as well.

871
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 3: But the point I want to make and all of

872
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 3: this is that Indiana starts being put under the spotlight

873
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 3: of the microscope in terms of criticizing our laws and

874
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 3: what are the actual numbers. It's interesting because Breitbart just

875
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 3: published the results from an analysis from the most recently

876
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 3: available numbers, which is twenty twenty three, and they looked

877
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 3: at atf gun recovery and trace data. So what are

878
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 3: we talking about here. When a gun is recovered at

879
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 3: a crime scene, whether it's by CPD Chicago Police Department,

880
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 3: whatever local law enforcement agency, they often call ATF for

881
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 3: a trace. And listen, if you own a gun store,

882
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 3: you work at a gun store, you get this call

883
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 3: all the time, or you get a visit from ATF.

884
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 3: Often it's just a phone call. They'll say, hey, we

885
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 3: need to trace on this gun, and and how does

886
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 3: that all happen? How does that all unfold? Well, here's

887
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 3: exactly how it happens. The gun's recovered at a crime scene.

888
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 3: Police there have the gun and they see it. It's

889
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,479
Speaker 3: a glock. It's a model nineteen as a serial number

890
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 3: on it. Now, sometimes the serial number has been removed,

891
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 3: and there are things that can foil this whole process,

892
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,439
Speaker 3: but typically there's there's the make, there's the model, there's

893
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 3: a serial number. Say call a manufacturer. They contact the

894
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 3: manufacturer and they say, I need a trace on this

895
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 3: glock nineteen with serial number x y Z one two

896
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 3: three and glock runs that and they say, we sold

897
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 3: it to such and such a distributor and such and

898
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 3: such a date. So they called the distributor and then

899
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 3: they get a hold of the distributor and they say,

900
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 3: what did you do with that gun? Well, I sold

901
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 3: that to Guy's gun store in Carmel, Indiana. Okay. That's

902
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 3: when the call to the gun store comes in. Okay, well,

903
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 3: you need to run a trace on this. Gun stores

904
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 3: are required to keep the forty four to seventy three forms.

905
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 3: There's not supposed to be any national database. I say,

906
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 3: they're not supposed to be. A lot of US suspect

907
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 3: the ATS been secretly trying to build this illegally, by

908
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 3: the way, because part of the Gun Owner's Protection Act

909
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 3: of nineteen eighty four prohibits it was eighty six, the

910
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 3: Firearm Owners Protection Act prohibits the federal government would be

911
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 3: keeping any kind of a national database of firearms and

912
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,879
Speaker 3: serial numbers and gun owners outside the NFA National Firearms Act.

913
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 3: But for the typical rifles, pistols, and shotguns, government's not

914
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 3: supposed to keep any kind of database. But they what

915
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 3: is legal, and what's actually legally required is the gun

916
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 3: shops are supposed to keep those forty four to seventy

917
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 3: three forms. And I've heard all kinds of numbers. I

918
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 3: first I heard twenty years, I heard twenty five years

919
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 3: and then I heard until they go out of business,

920
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 3: and they're supposed to keep them in some kind of

921
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 3: a chronological searchable format. And so the gun store says, okay,

922
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 3: about when would we have received this gun in And

923
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 3: the ATF will know that based on what they heard

924
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 3: from the distributor or in the manufacturer. If manufacturers sold

925
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 3: it directly to a gun shop, so, well you got

926
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 3: it in about blank. Wellt usn't tell them when they

927
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 3: sold it, depending on how long it's sat in inventory.

928
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 3: But they'll go in and this has no easy process.

929
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 3: A lot of times these forty four to seventy three

930
00:54:55,600 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 3: forms are are held just in payper form and so

931
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 3: it's literally rifling through a box of these forms looking

932
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 3: for a making model and serial number. Eventually they'll find

933
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 3: it and they'll say aha, and they'll come back on

934
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 3: the phone or they'll call ATF back and say, we

935
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 3: sold this gun to so and so. The name will

936
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 3: be on the forty four to seventy three form with

937
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 3: a date, and then they'll have their identifying information, their name,

938
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 3: their address, etc. But that trace to the gun shop.

939
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 3: If that gun shops in Indiana, then they say aha,

940
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 3: this is based on information from the manufacturer, any distributors,

941
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 3: anybody else in the chain of distribution before it ended

942
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 3: up at that gun shop. So if that gun shops

943
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 3: in Indiana, boom, there's a gun recovered in this case,

944
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 3: given our discussion from a Chicago crime scene, that was

945
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 3: originally sold in Indiana. Now, when might that have happened?

946
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 3: The study of twenty twenty three data that looked at

947
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 3: twenty two thousand, nine hundred and seventy three, so just

948
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Speaker 3: shy of twenty three thousand guns recovered or traced in

949
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 3: Illinois in twenty twenty three, twenty two thousand. They looked

950
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 3: at those and they actually calculated what they called time

951
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 3: to crime. So, in other words, from that date that

952
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:28,280
Speaker 3: gun was sold by the first FFL, the first Federal

953
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 3: Firearms licensee, the first gun shop. And they determined that

954
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 3: by again going back through the manufacturer, anybody else in

955
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,760
Speaker 3: the change of distribution till they got to the gun shop.

956
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 3: In this case, it was six years. What they called

957
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 3: time to crime from the time was received by the

958
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 3: gun store or sold by the gun store. It's the latter,

959
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 3: it's sold by the gun store until it was recovered

960
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 3: at crime. Now, some smart and knowledgeable people on the

961
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 3: chat feature on YouTube are saying the average long term,

962
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 3: given more than just one year of data, which was

963
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 3: the subject of this particular study of twenty twenty three,

964
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 3: says it's more like twelve years on average. What could

965
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 3: be a long damn time. So all they're saying is

966
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 3: this was originally is a gun recovered in a Chicago

967
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,439
Speaker 3: crime scene that was originally sold in Indiana. It may

968
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 3: have been sold in Indiana twenty years ago. The average

969
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 3: for twenty twenty three guns it was six years ago.

970
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 3: How many times has it changed hands in that six

971
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 3: years or twelve years or twenty years on that particular gun,

972
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 3: And is there something that tells you, based on that

973
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 3: timeframe there was something wrong with the gun laws in

974
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 3: the state in which it was originally sold that allowed

975
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 3: to do something that was legal in that state. It

976
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 3: would have been prevented had they not had such quote

977
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 3: unquote lax gun laws. In my view, and I feel

978
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 3: strongly about this, you can't blame violence on so called

979
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 3: lax gun laws if what was done was actually illegal

980
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 3: under the laws of that state or illegal under federal law.

981
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 3: And I'll make this point and then I'll go into

982
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 3: this break we're always late going into breaks on my show.

983
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 3: But for instance, is it legal to sell a handgun

984
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 3: to a citizen of another state, a resident of another state. No,

985
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 3: So somebody from Chicago with an Illinois driver's license drives

986
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 3: to Indiana and buys a handgun. Somebody broke the law

987
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 3: by selling them that gun. That's true, whether a private

988
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 3: purchaser or at a gun store. Is it legal to

989
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 3: be engaged in the commerce of buying and selling firearms

990
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 3: like a lot of these people are. They'll know. They say, oh, well,

991
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 3: they come to gun shows and they fill up a

992
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,959
Speaker 3: van and they drive back to Chicago and sell the guns.

993
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 3: And that's all totally illegal under Indiana law. And that's

994
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 3: why it's the lacks gun laws that allow all those

995
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 3: guns to make it back to Chicago when we wind

996
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 3: up in the hands of gangs or other criminals. Was

997
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 3: that really true? First of all, if you're doing that

998
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 3: and you're taking them back to Chicago and selling them

999
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 3: for a profit, which obviously they are, let's be illegally

1000
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,439
Speaker 3: engaged in the commerce of buying and selling firearms, which

1001
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 3: is already illegal under federal law. So you're breaking a law.

1002
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 3: If that law were enforced, the gun would have never

1003
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 3: gotten made. It would have never made its way back

1004
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 3: to Chicago. If somebody sold a gun, whether it's a

1005
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 3: private citizen or an FFL at a gun shop sells

1006
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 3: a handgun a resident of a different state, they broke

1007
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 3: the law under current law. So how has it lacks

1008
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 3: gun while that it resulted in that as opposed to

1009
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 3: failure to enforce the laws we already have. And invariably,

1010
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 3: if somebody comes to Indiana buys a gun and takes

1011
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 3: it back to Chicago and resells it and it ends

1012
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 3: up in the hands of criminals or gang members who

1013
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 3: then commit crimes because O say they're criminals, then there

1014
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 3: were a whole series of laws broken. In that context,

1015
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 3: how can you blame lax gun laws When laws were

1016
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 3: broken and the person didn't care about breaking those laws,

1017
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 3: if there were one additional or two additional or twenty

1018
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 3: additional laws in place, what makes you think that person

1019
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 3: would suddenly comply with the law, and when what they

1020
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 3: did was already illegal. But how about the numbers? People say, well,

1021
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 3: we wouldn't have any crime or wouldn't have a significant

1022
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 3: crime in Chicago if Indiana didn't have these lax gun

1023
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 3: laws because this mass quantities of guns come from Indiana

1024
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 3: or and keep in mind when we say come from Indiana,

1025
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 3: all it means is they were originally sold by a

1026
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 3: gun store an FFL in Indiana, could have gone through

1027
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 3: changes of hands twenty different times, could have ended up

1028
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 3: in Florida or Mississippi or wherever else and then brought

1029
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 3: to Chicago. So came from Indiana doesn't mean they came

1030
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 3: directly from Indiana into the hands whoever committed that crime

1031
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 3: that caused the trace to occur in the first place.

1032
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 3: It just means it was originally sold, it went through

1033
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 3: untold number of hands beforehand, went to untold a number

1034
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 3: of other states, and eventually wound up wound up in Chicago.

1035
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 3: But are the numbers even accurate. That's what we'll go

1036
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 3: into when we come back. Right now, we're taking a break.

1037
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 3: This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on

1038
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 3: ninety three WIBC.

1039
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: He's a Second Amendment attorney, he's an NRA certified Firearms instructor.

1040
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: He's the Gun Guy Guy Ralford on ninety three WYPC.

1041
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 3: And welcome back. We have a bit of a short

1042
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 3: segment here because I want to reserve some time at

1043
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 3: the end of the show to talk about something a

1044
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 3: little different, but talking about whether Indiana should really be

1045
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 3: blamed for Illinois's crime problem. And again when President Obama

1046
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,479
Speaker 3: at this town hall, and I don't remember, I could

1047
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 3: find it easily with a Google search, but it was

1048
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 3: sometime during his presidency, and I want to say it

1049
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 3: was when he was running for his second term, and

1050
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 3: he was president what from elected in two thousand and

1051
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 3: eight until twenty sixteen, so his term would have actually

1052
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 3: been what January two thousand and nine to January twenty seventeen,

1053
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 3: And I say, I want to say when he was

1054
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 3: running for reelection, But he came out and he made

1055
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 3: this claim and the number was completely off. He said

1056
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 3: forty percent of Chicago quote unquote crime guns that his

1057
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 3: guns were covered from crime scenes were from Indiana. And

1058
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 3: I remember researching it at the time and the number

1059
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 3: was actually eighteen percent. Another ATF study like we just saw,

1060
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 3: looking at twenty twenty three numbers and the actual number

1061
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 3: was eighteen so it was less than half of what

1062
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 3: he claimed. I remember thinking at the time that eighteen

1063
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 3: percent was incredibly low when you think about it, because

1064
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 3: until twenty and ten, possessing a handgun in Chicago was

1065
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 3: completely illegal. I couldn't sell them, and you couldn't own them,

1066
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 3: and you couldn't possess them. Why because Chicago had a

1067
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 3: complete ban on handguns and that wasn't overturned by the

1068
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 3: Supreme Court of the United States until twenty ten in

1069
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Speaker 3: the McDonald versus City of Chicago case, And that was

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Speaker 3: on the heels of the Heller Heller versus d C

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Speaker 3: is actually DC versus Heller. It was in two thousand

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Speaker 3: and eight they said, yes, there's a constitutionally protected right

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Speaker 3: to own a handgun. That was applied to d C

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Speaker 3: a federal territory, and then a McDonald they said, yes,

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Speaker 3: the Second Amendment is quote unquote incorporated through the fourteenth

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Speaker 3: Amendment to apply to the states. So Illinois and the

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Speaker 3: City of Chicago have to comply with the Second Amendment too,

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Speaker 3: And yes, there's a constitutionally protected right to own a handgun.

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Speaker 3: So starting only in twenty ten during Obama's presidency, could

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Speaker 3: you even own a gun in Chicago or Illinois. And

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Speaker 3: they still had incredibly draconian licensing requirements. They were drug

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Speaker 3: kicking and screaming to even issue licenses. So if it's

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Speaker 3: completely illegal for all that time to possess a handgun

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Speaker 3: in Chicago, did Chicago banned them until the constitutional ruling

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Speaker 3: came down? The Supreme Court ruling came down in twenty

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Speaker 3: ten requiring them to allow some ownership of handguns. So

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Speaker 3: you couldn't buy a handgun until twenty ten sometime thereafter.

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Speaker 3: So was it surprising that eighteen percent of quote unquote

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Speaker 3: crime guns originally came from Indiana? Well, you couldn't buy

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Speaker 3: a gun in Illinois, a handgun. It was shocking to me,

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Speaker 3: given the proximity of Hammond and Gary to Chicago, that

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Speaker 3: only eighteen percent came from Indiana. So what's it done

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Speaker 3: since that timeframe? Let's call it twenty thirteen or fourteen.

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Speaker 3: It is my best estimate of when Obama made that

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Speaker 3: claim and I ran it down, it was eighteen percent. Well, again,

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Speaker 3: let's go back to the study we just saw from

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Speaker 3: ATF looking at twenty twenty three, what the percentage was

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Speaker 3: that came from Indiana twelve twelve percent. Do you want

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Speaker 3: to blame Indiana for Chicago's crime problems? Well, you got

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Speaker 3: to account for the other eighty eight percent, And keep

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Speaker 3: in mind that that twelve percent that was just It

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Speaker 3: doesn't mean they they popped out of Indiana the day

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Speaker 3: before a crime occurred, and Indiana directly supplied that gun

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Speaker 3: to a crime scene or to a criminal who perpetated

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Speaker 3: a crime at the crime scene. It just means it

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Speaker 3: was originally sold in Indiana, which could have been on

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Speaker 3: average six years before based on twenty twenty three data,

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Speaker 3: and based on historical data, was about twice that long.

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Speaker 3: So can you draw these conclusions that Indiana is the

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Speaker 3: source of the guns that contribute and in fact cause

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Speaker 3: Illinois's crime problem? Of course not. The numbers don't support it.

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Speaker 3: I guess we're the largest single source in terms of states.

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Speaker 3: What was the largest single source of guns recovered at

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Speaker 3: Chicago crime scenes and traced in twenty twenty three? The

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Speaker 3: largest single source state forty Illinois. Illinois gun shops sold

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Speaker 3: forty percent, almost four x the number of Indiana. How

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Speaker 3: you blame in Indiana? So that's fifty two total? Where

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Speaker 3: did the other forty eight come from? A smattering of

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Speaker 3: other states? Mississippi, Alabama, a whole number of other states.

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Speaker 3: How you blame in Indiana? And if Illinois had these

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Speaker 3: wonderful crime preventing laws. Gun control laws they have in

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Speaker 3: Illinois work so fabulously. Why is the number one contributor

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Speaker 3: of quote unquote crime guns at Chicago Crime scenes? Illinois?

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Speaker 3: Explain that to me, it doesn't hold up, doesn't hold

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Speaker 3: up to logic, it doesn't hold up to facts, and

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Speaker 3: it doesn't hold up to atfs and statistics. With that,

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Speaker 3: we're taking a break. We'll be back and wrap up

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Speaker 3: this edition of the Gun Guy Show when we come back.

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Speaker 3: This is Guy Rayford on The Gun Guy Show on

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Speaker 3: ninety three WYBC.

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Speaker 1: Now you've got a gun guy, Guy Ralford on ninety

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Speaker 1: three WYPC.

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Speaker 3: And a wrapping up this edition of The Gun Guy Show,

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Speaker 3: I want to play a couple of clips, both from

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Speaker 3: chief law enforcement officers in different jurisdictions. The first one

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Speaker 3: is from a police chief in Canada, and as you know,

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Speaker 3: Canada doesn't have a Second Amendment. Canada has largely banned handguns,

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Speaker 3: certainly the quote unquote assault weapons right down the line,

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Speaker 3: and they're really moving toward completely banning or at least

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Speaker 3: dramatically inhibiting civilian gun ownership. Here's what a police chief

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Speaker 3: in Canada says about you potentially experiencing a home invasion.

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Speaker 7: In the unlikely event that you find yourself the victim

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Speaker 7: of a home invasion, we are urging citizens not to

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Speaker 7: take matters into their own hands. While we don't want

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Speaker 7: homeowners to feel powerless, we urge you to call nine

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Speaker 7: to one one and do everything you can to keep

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Speaker 7: yourself and love one safe until police arrive, and be

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Speaker 7: the best witness possible. This could mean locking yourself in

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Speaker 7: a room away from the perpetrators, hiding, fleeing the home,

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Speaker 7: but don't engage unless absolutely necessary. But as it stands,

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Speaker 7: we know the best defense for most people.

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Speaker 5: Is to comply.

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Speaker 7: As you've just heard a number of safety recommendations.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so home invasion, so bad guys have forced their

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Speaker 3: way into your home. And and by the way, there's

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Speaker 3: no it's very perhaps a little bit province to province

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Speaker 3: in Canada, but for the most part, there's no castle

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Speaker 3: doctrine or ability to defend yourself. So you're supposed to

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Speaker 3: either flee the home, lock yourself up somewhere, don't engage,

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Speaker 3: and pray for the best, and called nine on one, Because,

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Speaker 3: of course, the law enforcement is always minutes away. When

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Speaker 3: seconds count. Let's contrast that here, where we have a

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Speaker 3: second Amendment, and in fact have a law enforcement official,

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Speaker 3: my current favorite law enforcement official Sheriff Grady Judd from

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Speaker 3: Polk County, Florida.

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Speaker 4: But we have received information and social media that some

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Speaker 4: of the criminals were going to take their criminal conduct

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Speaker 4: into the neighborhoods. I would tell them, if you value

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Speaker 4: your life, you probably shouldn't do that Polk County because

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Speaker 4: the people of Polk County like guns. They have guns.

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Speaker 4: I encourage them to own guns, and they're going to

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Speaker 4: be in their homes tonight where their guns loaded. And

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Speaker 4: if you try to break into their homes to steal

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Speaker 4: to set fires, I'm highly recommending they blow you back

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Speaker 4: out of the house.

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Speaker 3: With their guns. So if you're a budding you know,

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Speaker 3: aspiring home invader and you live in Canada and you

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Speaker 3: hear that first police chief, go, well, you know what

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Speaker 3: we recommend, you know, just comply, just call me in

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Speaker 3: on one and hope for the best. Or you're that

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Speaker 3: same aspiring home invader in Polk County, Florida. What do

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Speaker 3: you think your reaction is. That's why we have a

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Speaker 3: second Amendment, among many other reasons. That's it for this

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Speaker 3: week's show. Remember always shoot straight, Always be safe.