1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: Christen Aarry joining me now on the Java House Peel 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: and poor guest line. Java house dot com is the website. 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: Jake twenty five or twenty five percent off. Chris, of course, 4 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,239 Speaker 1: the television voice of the Pacers. Chris PACER's playing a 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: little bit better obviously. I mean, you know, they've put 6 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: together three wins in a row. Here, Rick Carlisle gets 7 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: is now over one thousand career wins. The most simplistic 8 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: question would be this, what are they doing differently now 9 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: that they were not doing before that has kind of 10 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: put them on this little heater streak relatively speaking? 11 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: Well, I think it really is pretty simple, Jake. They're 12 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 2: making shots. I mean that's one of the things. If 13 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 2: you look at the month of January, in these six 14 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 2: games and the last three wins, they're the top three 15 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,520 Speaker 2: point shooting team at forty three percent, They're the number 16 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 2: four field goal shooting team at forty nine percent, and 17 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: they're averaging about one hundred and fifteen points, which is 18 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: number eight in the NBA. 19 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 3: And if you look at. 20 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: Those three categories prior to January, they were dead last 21 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: and scoring dead last and field goal shooting and dead 22 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: last and three point shooting, So they've really done a 23 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: much better job, I think getting healthier, getting guys like 24 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: Aaron Nesmith and Ben Shephard back. Those are two really 25 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: key guys to the way that this team wants to play, 26 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 2: especially offensively, the way they move, and so I just 27 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: think having a little bit more continuity, especially from an 28 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: offensive end, has really helped them. 29 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 4: When you look Chris, we'll start with Ben Shephard. 30 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: You know, I think sometimes we forget if a guy 31 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: is not at one hundred percent how it can impact him. 32 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: And Shepherd is a unique one because I think his 33 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: primary role is his ability to defend and then also 34 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: to hit shots when in rotation he's open. But I 35 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: don't know that they're necessarily designing for him to get 36 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: those shots. Seem to me like he was struggling for 37 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: a bit. There is that because of the non familiarity 38 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: of some of the people he was on the floor with, 39 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: or was it a health thing or was he not 40 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: struggling at all? 41 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 4: And I'm out of my mind. 42 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: No, he was definitely struggling. I mean, on the year, 43 00:01:58,680 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: he's still. 44 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 5: Only shooting thirty two from three. 45 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: But if you look at his last seven, I'm looking 46 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: at the numbers here, he's eleven to twenty two. He's 47 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 2: shooting fifty percent, and if you go a little bit 48 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: deeper than that, he's been even better. I think early 49 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: in the year, you know, some of that was maybe 50 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 2: some unfamiliarity with teammates. He was also guiding the ball. 51 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 2: He just didn't look very confident shooting the basketball. And 52 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 2: so I just think he's he like Nie Smith and 53 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 2: them Hard and Jared s Walker, who is shooting the ball. 54 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 5: Pretty well right now, they've. 55 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: Gotten more into a rhythm, into a groove, and when 56 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 2: that happens, this is a team that can win games. 57 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 3: There's no question about that. 58 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at the success that they've 59 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 2: had under Rick Carlisle the last couple of years, shooting 60 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: was never a problem. 61 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 3: Offense wasn't a problem. 62 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 2: Two years ago when they went to the Eastern Conference 63 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 2: Finals for the first time, they averaged one hundred and 64 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: twenty three points per game and they had one of 65 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 2: the all time great offenses. Now, of course, they had 66 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: Tyrese Haliburton leading the way, but this has been a 67 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: team that has been able to make shots, and that 68 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: was really a huge part of the problem early in 69 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: the season. 70 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: Chris Stinari is my guest Java House Peel and Port 71 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: guest line television voice of the Indiana Pacers. Chris, I'm 72 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: looking around the league and I'm seeing, you know, players 73 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: that want out or players that are unhappy, and you 74 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: know divas here and there. And it's not to say 75 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: that Indiana has been immune to that. There have been 76 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: players that have caused their fair share of you know, 77 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: oil in the water here over the years, but this 78 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: particular group does not seem to have that. Jay Huff 79 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: has a reverse dunk and the entire bench is going crazy, 80 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: and Johnny Furfey hits a shot and everybody's acting like 81 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: he's the little brother they're proud of, and et cetera. 82 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: And cohesiveness in chemistry is so important to the success 83 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: I think of this installment of the Pacers. So my 84 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: question is this, do you believe that the bigger challenge 85 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: is being able to scout a player and their character 86 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: before you bring them into your franchise or is it 87 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: harder to be able to assess how success, money and 88 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: wins can change that player once they are actually a 89 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: part of it. 90 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 2: Well, that's a great question, and what's interesting about that 91 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 2: Jake Is. The other night, Monday night, after the game 92 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 2: against Boston, I did a sit down with Ryan Carr, 93 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 2: Ted Wu and Spencer Anderson from our front office, and 94 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: I think, you know, they talked about that, just the 95 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: kind of work that they do, not just looking at numbers, 96 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 2: not just looking at productivity, but how these players relate 97 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 2: as people to the coaching staff, to the organization, to family, 98 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: those types of things. 99 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 3: So I think that's you. 100 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 2: Know, there's always going to be a wild card in 101 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: the mix that you read the way you think somebody 102 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 2: is going to act when things are good or when 103 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 2: things are bad. But I think that's one of the 104 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 2: things that this organization has done a really good job 105 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 2: of doing that. And to your point, what you see 106 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 2: when Jay Huff and Furfey and those guys make those 107 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 2: plays and you see the camaraderie on the bench that's genuine. 108 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: I mean we've seen that over the last few years, 109 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: and especially I'm going to say since Tyrese arrived. I 110 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 2: mean Tyreeth infects and injects that enthusiasm with his teammates, 111 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: and so I think that's something that no question, the 112 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 2: front office looks at when they're trying to build a 113 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 2: roster and each each and every year is different. Is 114 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: how do those pieces fit together? And how can all 115 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 2: these guys relate to each other. 116 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 3: In good times and in bad? 117 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: Right, it's not always it's not always good. 118 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 3: I mean think back to last year. 119 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 2: As great as the season was, if you go back 120 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 2: to December, they were ten and fifteen and I think 121 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: eleventh or twelfth in the East, not like the twenty 122 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: four to twenty five season you know, was always riding high. 123 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 2: So I think that's a great question. I think what 124 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: front offices try to do is make sure you are 125 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 2: finding guys that fit the model that you have built. 126 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: Chris, what is the one area that you think most 127 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: needs improvement? And listen, Jay Huff has impressed me. I mean, 128 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: he has exceeded probably what I thought he was going 129 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: to be as the year has gone on. He is 130 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: one guy that I think has taken advantage of opportunity 131 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: here and diversified maybe what he was able to show 132 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: in the league before he got here. But if there's 133 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: one area of his game that still needs the most 134 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: improvement or solidarity, it would. 135 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: Be what well he you know, he's got great size 136 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 2: from a link perspective, but he you know, he gives 137 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 2: up a lot of bulk inside and so that can 138 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 2: become difficult for the bigger centers. And that's why a 139 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: lot of times you'll see Rick Carlow make a change 140 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 2: and go to Tony Bradley, who may not be as 141 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 2: good offensively, but he's a little bit better rebounder and 142 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 2: a better defensive player. 143 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 3: And so you know, that's the situation. 144 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,559 Speaker 2: That I think the Pacers have gotten some good play 145 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: you're looking at. You know, Micah Potter has only played 146 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: ten games. 147 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 5: They got him on Christmas Day. 148 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 2: He started i think ten games last year in Utah. 149 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: Jay Hoffs started two games in his career before this year. 150 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 2: Isaiah Jackson started you know a handful of games in his. 151 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 3: Career before this year. 152 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: But I think they've gotten some really good play out 153 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 2: of that center position, and I think when you get 154 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: Isaiah Jackson back, it will be interesting to see how 155 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: how does Rick Carlisle utilize that rotation, because Michah Potter 156 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,239 Speaker 2: has done a lot of good things off the bench. 157 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: As you said, Jay Huff had an outstanding game against 158 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 2: Boston the other night, and then Tony Bradley does what 159 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: Tony Bradley. 160 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 3: Does, so. I just think that's going to be that's 161 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 3: going to be a position. 162 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: To watch to see how they utilize those people and 163 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: how they rotate them each and every game. 164 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: Every Body is different, Every journey back from injury is 165 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: different from one person to the next. Isaiah Jackson was 166 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: a very athletic player when he had with great bounce, 167 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: to use a buzzword, but when he had his injury, 168 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: which was the Achilles that is the same injury that 169 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: you know, Tyres Haliburton obviously will come back from. Have 170 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: we seen enough from Isaiah Jackson? I know that he 171 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: has not been able to consistently be on the floor 172 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: this year. Have we seen enough to give some indication 173 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: as to a timeline for Halliburton in terms of step 174 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: or burst. Has Isaiah Jackson shown to you, Chris that 175 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: he is back to or close to what he was 176 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: athletically pre injury? 177 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think so. 178 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, and again, the time that he's 179 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 2: missed here twelve straight games is due to a concussion, 180 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: no relation at all to the Achilles injury that he 181 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 2: had a year ago. 182 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 3: If you think about it, Jake, he. 183 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 2: Was injured in early November and was back as the 184 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 2: season started in October, so he. 185 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 3: Was inside twelve months. 186 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 2: He was what about eleven months when he came back 187 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 2: to the Pacers. So no, I think you've seen a 188 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: lot of burst. I think you know, he's a guy 189 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 2: that I've always said it looks like he's on a 190 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 2: pogo stick the way he can jump around the basket. 191 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 2: So I think, you know, every player is different, but 192 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 2: I think that bodes well. And I've been impressed at 193 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: what I've seen on the road and Tyree's coming out 194 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 2: before games at gamebridge Field. 195 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 3: House and doing a little bit of a workout. 196 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: I think he is right where he needs to be, 197 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 2: right where he is on schedule, and and I don't 198 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 2: anticipate to any problems when he suits it back up 199 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: next year. 200 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:51,359 Speaker 1: You know, Chris, obviously, with Isaiah Jackson, we played positionless 201 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: basketball now for the most part, I get that, but 202 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: he is his athleticism makes him bigger than he is. 203 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: So to speak, talking about Isaiah Jackson, if they get 204 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: into a situation where let's say Huff becomes their backup center, 205 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: they acquire a guy that becomes a starting center. Could 206 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: Isaiah Jackson would he would he be in the center mix? 207 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: Or is he a guy that then slides over and 208 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: gives them depth at the power forward position. 209 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 3: Well, that's a good question. I mean, you know, I 210 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 3: think one of the things Isaiah. 211 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 5: Has worked at, and even though you don't. 212 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: See it in games, is you know, I see him 213 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: in practice working on his three point shot more of 214 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: a perimeter game. 215 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 3: I mean, he's a guy that you know, bounces around 216 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 3: the rim. 217 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 2: I think that's the great thing about this coaching staff 218 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 2: is that they can you know, taking a player and 219 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: you know they don't have to just do what they've 220 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 2: always done. There are other opportunities for you. So I 221 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 2: think that's I think that's to be seen, you know, 222 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 2: as the as the season progresses, you know, each individual 223 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 2: player trying to become a little bit better at what 224 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 2: they do, but also maybe do some things a little 225 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 2: better at what they haven't done before. 226 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 4: Chris, when you were a kid, who was your favorite pacer. 227 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I really like Don Bussy. 228 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 4: I Mean, I don't know why I knew you were 229 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 4: going to say that. 230 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 2: Just you know, just because of the way he handled 231 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 2: the basketball and the way he shared it and the 232 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 2: way he shot it. So I would say, I would say, 233 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 2: you know, Don was somebody that you know, that caught 234 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: my eye. That was someone that you could you know, 235 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 2: look up to and say, hey, I want to pattern 236 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 2: my game after that. 237 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: Now, you played obviously in high school. Did you play 238 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: for your dad right, Yes? And then you went to 239 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: Wabash right and played it You played at Wabash right, yes? 240 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 241 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: Now I saw a video recently when you were at 242 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: the practice facility and there was a ball land around 243 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: and you picked it up and you were putting up 244 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: some shots. And then I was curious, were you because 245 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: you were a coach's kid, does that mean that you 246 00:11:55,880 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: had a floor vision and you were a crafty facilitator 247 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: or were you an absolute trigger gun and you were 248 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: putting it up every time you got the ball? 249 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 3: No, No, not at all. I figured, you know, I 250 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 3: played for my dad. 251 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: And I sort of look back and go, man, I 252 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 2: didn't shoot enough. But you know it's a different game then. 253 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I we did not have the three point 254 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 2: shot when I played. 255 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 3: I mean I think that tells you how old I am. 256 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 3: But no, I. 257 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: Like to you know, get open off a screen and 258 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 2: you know, hit a little fifteen to seventeen footer. I 259 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 2: didn't have there wasn't that need to go out to 260 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. 261 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 5: Feet because it didn't. 262 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 3: You got the same amount of point. 263 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: Right whether you shot it from there or whether you 264 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 2: shot it from twelve feet. 265 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 3: So no, no, I was, I was. 266 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 2: I was not the prototypical gunning coach's son. 267 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: Pacers in action Tonight Raptors seven o'clock tip at Gambridge 268 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: Field House. Lastly, Chris, in terms of this kind of 269 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 1: perk up of late for the Pacers and then into tonight, 270 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: the player or the storyline that you are most curious 271 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: to see in terms of a continuation or that you 272 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: are looking to see positivity about so that you feel 273 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 1: optimistic that this continues would be. 274 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 3: What I'm going to say two things, I could say 275 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 3: three things. 276 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 2: I mean, one's again, but I mean Pascal Siakins had 277 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 2: a tremendous year. Andrew Demhard has put up some just 278 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 2: stellar numbers over the last four nineteen points, ten assists, 279 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 2: nearly fifty percent from the field, fifty percent from three. 280 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: But a guy that I'm really keeping my eye on, 281 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 2: and I think these last two games against Miami and Boston, 282 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: it's not just the scoring, but I think the overall 283 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 2: games that Jerris Walker has played the last two games 284 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 2: have been the type of games that we want to 285 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: see on a consistent basis from Jared. He had eleven 286 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 2: points and seven rebounds against Boston. He had thirteen to nine, 287 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 2: four assists, four steals against Miami. I think he's a 288 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 2: guy that's starting to be a little bit more consistent. 289 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: So that's somebody I really want to keep an eye 290 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 2: on tonight. 291 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 1: All right, Chris, we'll be watching tonight with the Raptors 292 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: at the Fieldhouse. 293 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 4: Appreciate the time as always. 294 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: All right, thanks Christenary joining me, Java House, Peel and 295 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: Poor Guest Line. Perdue in action tonight the Boilers hosting 296 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: what I think might be a little bit tricky, and 297 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: I will explain what I'm talking about with our next 298 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: guest who joins the program on the Java House, Peel 299 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: and Poor Guest Line. He is a member of the 300 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: Purdue Basketball Radio Network, Bobby Riddell joining us and Bobby Iowa. 301 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: I think for any matchup for Purdue, you look towards 302 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: it and you say, okay, advantage Perdue because they are 303 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: loaded and they're fabulous and their experience that they have 304 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: everything you're looking for. But Iowa was coming in on 305 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: a little bit of a skid, yet at the same 306 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: time they are a sneaky, tough opponent to me, agreed 307 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: or disagree. 308 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with that. 309 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 6: And yeah, first off, thanks Jake for having me on 310 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 6: and talking to Boilermaker hoops. Yeah, I think this Iowa 311 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 6: team is definitely a sneaky team because they. 312 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 5: Play a little bit of a slower pace. You know, 313 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 5: they limit the possessions. 314 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 6: When you're a great offensive team like Purdue, you want 315 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 6: as many possessions as possible, typically as far as from 316 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 6: an offensive standpoint, to be able to, you know, let 317 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 6: your great offense flourish. So with the way a team 318 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 6: like Iowa can slow the pace down, granted, Purdue can 319 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 6: also play great half court basketball, and it is fine 320 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 6: playing a slower pace. Just the nature of the beast. 321 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 6: When you have lesser possessions, there's. 322 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 5: You know, less variance I feel like. 323 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 6: And so this Iowa team is definitely a potential problem. 324 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 5: They got a. 325 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 6: Great point guard in their own right, and Bennett Sturt's 326 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 6: the transfer from Drake, who was a phenomenal player last 327 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 6: year at Drake and preseason All American has looked the 328 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 6: part so far this year with Iowa and Purdue's going 329 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 6: to have to be locked in with him, you know. Defensively, 330 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 6: Produce had some ups and downs this year. Both these 331 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 6: teams ranked very similar in defensive efficiency in the nation, 332 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 6: I think nineteenth and twentieth respectively. So both these defenses 333 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 6: are comparable thus far. And I always got a great coach, 334 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 6: Ben McCollum. He's had a lot of success throughout the 335 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 6: course of his career, so you know, he's going to 336 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 6: have his guys prepared and just human nature. Right, They've 337 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 6: lost two games in a row, so they're going to 338 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 6: be a little hungrier, going to be a little bit 339 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 6: more desperate. And if Purdue's not able to kind of 340 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 6: match that desperation, Purdue could be in trouble. 341 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: You know, I'm going off of a maybe a false 342 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: perception here, Bobby, But Ben McCollum and the style of 343 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: play that he typically has done has been kind of lull, 344 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: slow you down, you know, bloody knuckle type basketball, And 345 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: maybe that's totally inaccurate. Is there some truth to that? 346 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: In other words, can Iowa? Is Iowa a team that 347 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: will play a style that, if you're not careful, can 348 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: take you away from what it is that you want 349 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: to do. 350 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 5: No, I think you're spot on. 351 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 6: I think that is a lot of his mo I 352 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 6: think offensively, a lot of what they preach is, you know, 353 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 6: move the basketball, don't take bad shots, work it side 354 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 6: to side, use you know, the shot clock to try 355 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 6: to get a great shot. And the way defenses function 356 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 6: more often than not is the more you make a 357 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 6: defense play, the more you move the ball from side 358 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 6: to side, the more actions you run, the more opportunity 359 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,959 Speaker 6: there is for a defense to have breakdowns. 360 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 5: And then they seem to. 361 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 6: Be that type of offense that really likes to capitalize 362 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 6: and exploit a defensive breakdown, and those are there's a 363 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 6: curve more often than not later in the shot clock 364 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 6: when you make a team defend, and you know, fatigue 365 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 6: and things of that nature start to settle in on 366 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 6: that sort of possession. And he obviously has to have 367 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 6: good players shoot that. But I think he does a 368 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 6: great job coaching his team into you know, be patient, 369 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 6: use the clock, run our stuff, and then eventually the 370 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 6: other team's going to break down if we do what 371 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 6: we're supposed to do throughout the course of a possession, 372 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 6: and once they do, then we capitalize. And yeah, I 373 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 6: think he's, you know, had a lot of success with 374 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 6: this formula, so he's probably somebody that feels very confident 375 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 6: in it. And it's definitely a type. 376 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 5: Of style that you don't see a ton so it 377 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 5: will be interesting to see how Purdue adapts to it. 378 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: And I am Bobby Riddelle is the color analyst for 379 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: Purdue basketball radio broadcast, joining us now on the Java 380 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: House Peel and Poor Guest Line Boilers Iowa Tonight. Bobby, 381 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: one of the things that I have always felt about 382 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: elite teams, and I do think Purdue is an elite team, 383 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: is that the true sign sometimes of a great team 384 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: is that they find ways to win games when they 385 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: don't have great nights and they just you know, they're 386 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: taken out of a rhythm or they're they're kind of sleepwalking, 387 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: and then yet they find a way. Has Purdue had 388 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: those games this year? 389 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they have. And I think you're right. 390 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 6: I think a great team is kind of able to 391 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 6: win in a multitude of ways. Can you know, win 392 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 6: with its offense and the defense isn't quite there, or 393 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 6: if the other team is. 394 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 5: Hitting shots at a high clip. I feel like the 395 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 5: Penn State game was kind of an example of that. 396 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 5: I mean, we. 397 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 6: Definitely had some breakdowns, no question, but I also thought 398 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 6: Penn State had a really impressive shot making type of 399 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 6: game too, and instead of that, you know, being our downfall, 400 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 6: our offense was elite. 401 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 5: That night as well and was able to carry us 402 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 5: to victory. 403 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 6: And I think we've also had some performances this year 404 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 6: where the offense was a little lackluster, the shot making 405 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 6: wasn't going down, but the defense and the rebounding and 406 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 6: things of that nature were able to still allow us 407 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 6: to come home with the victory. And so, yeah, I 408 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 6: think this team can win in. 409 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 3: Lots of ways. 410 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 6: It's much more versatile than it was last season, and 411 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 6: you know, that's the type of team you need to 412 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 6: make a long run in March. Typically is a team 413 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 6: that can whether a bad shooting night or at least 414 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 6: you know, I don't think you can really have a 415 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 6: horrific shooting night and win very often, especially when you 416 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 6: the instantly tournament. 417 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 5: And you're playing other good teams. 418 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 6: But you can hopefully withstand maybe just a subpar shooting 419 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 6: night as long as you do you know, a bunch 420 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 6: of those other things that help you win basketball games. 421 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 6: And I think this predude team is equipped to do that. 422 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 6: So I think that's a great sign for the team. 423 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 6: You know, last year's team, for example, it just kind 424 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 6: of felt like if we didn't play great offensively, we 425 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 6: were going to have a tough time beating you know, 426 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 6: really good teams. And you know, this year's team I 427 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 6: think has the opportunity to, you know, win in different ways. 428 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: With the Iowa State game, which I know now feels 429 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: like ancient history, but I watched Iowa State last night 430 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: and they just wann't you know, you have games like this, Bobby, 431 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: right where you go in I don't know if you 432 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: watched Iowa State against Kansas last night, but just everything's 433 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 1: going the way one team and the other one. 434 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 4: Just kid, they're just every door's locked, right. 435 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: Did Iowa State expose something about Purdue that others have 436 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: tried to now replicate or was it just one of 437 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: those days. 438 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 5: A combination? For sure, I did. 439 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 6: I was able to catch some of that second half 440 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 6: last night between I was staying in Kansas. 441 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 5: I saw that. 442 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 6: Halftime score and I was like, well, I've seen in 443 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 6: Iowa State have some really impressive second halfs this year. 444 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,479 Speaker 6: Of course, one in Macerina against US and then when 445 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,719 Speaker 6: they played their art Tribal Iowa earlier this year, they 446 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,959 Speaker 6: also had a awesome second half comeback and that one. 447 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 6: So I was like, I got to tune into this 448 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 6: and see if they can pull off the comeback at Kansas. 449 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 6: And they made a little run there, but eventually Kansas 450 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 6: held on. And Yeah, I think our game in mackiw 451 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 6: with them was a combination of that where I do 452 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 6: think their style of play. 453 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 5: I mean, obviously they're. 454 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 6: They're a good team, they got talent, they're well coached, 455 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 6: got veterans, but I think their defensive style of play 456 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 6: and you know, was a game plan that night. They 457 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 6: were going to be okay with you know, some some 458 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 6: of Produe's role players getting open shots, and we're going 459 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 6: to live with, uh giving up shots of those guys 460 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 6: that weren't super high percentage shooters. And I thought they 461 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 6: did a good job of executing that. You know, sometimes 462 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 6: easier said than done pulling that off. And unfortunately for 463 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 6: Purdue in that particular night, some of those guys. 464 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 5: That aren't produced go to players. 465 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 6: Did have off nights shooting you know, relatively wide open shots, 466 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 6: and you know, it was kind of a perfect storm 467 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 6: where Purdue missed a lot of wide open shots. Granted 468 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 6: they were a lot of them are threes, and that 469 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 6: was kind of by design by Iowa States defense. They 470 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 6: weren't going to allow Perdue to get a lot of 471 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 6: easy shots in the paint. But Purdue did get a 472 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 6: lot of open shots, they just didn't go down. And 473 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 6: then the Iowa State's credit, they got scorching hot in 474 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 6: the second half, and then it kind of. 475 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 5: Was just a snowball effect. 476 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 6: It felt like where nothing's going our way, everything's going 477 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 6: their way, and and then you know, once you kind 478 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 6: of get down double figures, then it felt like Produce 479 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 6: start to maybe. 480 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 5: Do some uncharacteristic things. 481 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 6: Got it down to ten at one point, and then 482 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 6: Manchilovitch had a really tough fadeaway shot along the baseline 483 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 6: as a shock like expired, and that kind of felt 484 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 6: like it stole our soul there and tempered any sort 485 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 6: of comeback we could pull off. 486 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 5: But so tip cat the Iowa State that evening. 487 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 6: But I do think if we played them again, based 488 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 6: on the quality of shot we got for a majority 489 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 6: of the night, I do think it could definitely be 490 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 6: a different story. 491 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: How would you assess the development and contribution to this 492 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: point versus where you would anticipate where you anticipated it 493 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: being of Daniel Jacobson. 494 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 6: Man, he's been phenomenal. I've been really impressed with him. 495 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 6: I was impressed with him in some of the small 496 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 6: sample sizes I saw last year, so I'm not totally 497 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 6: surprised to see him having the level of success he's having. 498 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 5: Of course, you know, he was making those USA you. 499 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 6: Know, under eighteen under nineteen teams, and you know they 500 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 6: don't just let any Joe Schmoe, you know, make those teams, 501 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 6: of course, so clearly a guy who's got some ability, 502 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 6: and they had caught the eye of those USA guys. 503 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 5: So definitely, you know, when you're seven. 504 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 6: Foot four with his sort of athleticism, he's got one 505 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 6: of the better vertical jumps on the team, so he's 506 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 6: a pretty good athlete. And then when you combine that 507 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,959 Speaker 6: with his size and the length, it's it's definitely a problem. 508 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 6: And I feel like he's got pretty good hands, pretty 509 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 6: good feel around the basket. He's got a nice jump hook. 510 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 6: So yeah, he's been a huge asset for this team, 511 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 6: and you know, it such a luxury to be able 512 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 6: to have him off the bench. You know, you don't 513 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 6: don't require him to take the lion's share of the 514 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 6: minutes in his first real college basketball season. You know, 515 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 6: he's able to kind of pick a spot to come in, 516 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 6: give Oscar Cluff a break here there, impact games with 517 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 6: the shot blocking, with his lob threat on offense, and 518 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 6: you know him and Braiden, their connection continues to grow 519 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 6: on that sort of pick and roll activity with him 520 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 6: dive into the basket. So been really impressed to Daniel. 521 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 6: He's he's you know, he's not perfect. He's got some deficiencies. 522 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 6: He's community stronger, work on that lower body, you know, 523 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 6: his balance, things of that nature when he's dealing with 524 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 6: contact and the paint. But yeah, I think he's a 525 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 6: you know, got phenomenal upside and is obviously a important 526 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 6: piece of what Purdue's doing this year. 527 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: That is the voice of Bobby Riddell. You hear it 528 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: on Purdue Radio broadcast Boilers and iwa tonight, all right, Bobby, 529 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: in the time that you've done radio, in the times 530 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: that you were interviewed as a player, all of the 531 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: times that you have broken down basketball games, I am 532 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: now going to present to you the question that probably 533 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: for the rest of your career you will say I 534 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: was once asked the dumbest question I've. 535 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 4: Ever been asked on the radio? Are you ready? 536 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: I usually want up myself with this stuff on the regular, 537 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: but here it is. Braden Smith is now the all 538 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: time assist leader in Big Ten basketball history, and in 539 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,959 Speaker 1: watching him, oftentimes the passes that he makes, you know, 540 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: he the velocity on the ball, where he can reverse 541 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: the ball, He can do different things, find guys in spots. 542 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: There is obviously a symbiotic nature in which, whether it's 543 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: Fletcher Lawyer or Trey Kaufman Rehn, where he anticipates where 544 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: they're going to be. 545 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 4: You played the guard position. 546 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 1: Which of the following two things is the more impressive 547 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: that makes Braden Smith so unique? Is it the vision 548 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,479 Speaker 1: to see things before they unfold and know where the 549 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: ball needs to be versus where it is? Or is 550 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: it actually the physical nature of the distribution of the 551 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: basketball at the speed in which he can do it 552 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: that makes him unique. 553 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 4: Does that make sense what I'm asking? 554 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's I wish I had both, honestly as a 555 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 6: player of my goodness. 556 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 4: Is it the dumbest question you've been asked. 557 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 6: No, it's not dumb, because I mean, I think it's bold. 558 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 6: I mean, I think you have to say say both 559 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 6: because just you know, I was clearly not even close 560 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 6: to as good as player as Braiden, but I was 561 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 6: able to play guard in the Big Ten, you know, 562 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 6: and got you know some it's here or there, and 563 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 6: just and obviously was able to compete in practice every 564 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 6: day against the likes of Robbie Hummel, and he saw 565 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 6: Moore and Joan Johnson, Chris Kramer, a number of quality 566 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 6: Big Ten players. So it's the vision. It's the ability 567 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 6: to see guys open, like especially like on the far 568 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 6: side of the floor while you're dealing with pressure, while 569 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 6: you're navigating ball screens and you got you know, six 570 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 6: eight to seven foot dudes high hedging you, and. 571 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 5: You know, all the bodies. His ability to see guys. 572 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 6: Open that are not necessarily you know, one pass away, 573 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 6: guys that are multiple passes away oftentimes you know, just 574 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 6: one pass. 575 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 5: If you're able to make a skip pass like you can, 576 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 5: that vision is incredible. 577 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 6: And then just yeah, the moxie and the confidence to 578 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 6: be able to see it and then execute, you know, 579 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 6: want to execute it. 580 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 5: So there's almost a second step. It's seeing it. 581 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 6: It's then secondly having the confidence to pull it off, 582 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 6: and then third being able to physically have the you know, attributes, 583 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 6: the arm strength, the you know, the touch the field 584 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 6: to be able to whip those passes around. 585 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 5: It's all those things. 586 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 6: It's it's unbelievable to me some of the passes he attempts, 587 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 6: and then when he does attempt them. 588 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 5: He just you know, puts it right on the money. 589 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 5: More often than not. He's incredible. 590 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: Has it changed has watching him and in doing games 591 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: broadcasting games he's playing, Has it opened your eyes or 592 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: changed the way that you can see the floor because 593 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: you now better anticipate what he's anticipating. 594 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 5: Oh, no doubt. 595 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 6: I mean it just makes you watching. You know, when 596 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 6: he's got the ball, you start to find yourself kind 597 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 6: of looking at different parts of the floor to see 598 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 6: who may or. 599 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 5: May not be open than you would with a normal player. 600 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 6: And it's that that I'll never forget a pass he 601 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 6: made his freshman year, and that's when I you know, 602 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 6: I knew he was unbelievable already. But we were playing 603 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 6: at Florida State, so this was in the Big Ten 604 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 6: acc challenge. 605 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 5: So would have been still pretty early in the season. 606 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 6: He'd already like orked his magic out in Portland when 607 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 6: we you know, won that tournament against Duke and Gonzagen, 608 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 6: So I already knew he was a leap but he 609 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 6: had a pass. He was on the dribble, dribbling right 610 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 6: in front of produced bench. Caleb First was in the 611 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 6: far corner on the opposite side of the floor, and 612 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 6: Braden's dealing with some pressure from like, you know, a 613 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 6: six four to sixty five athletic guy Garden in full court. 614 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 6: He starts bringing it on the dribble in front of 615 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 6: our bench and all in one motion, just whips it 616 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 6: with his right hand fully across his body, across court 617 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 6: and it's Caleb First right in the shop pocket and 618 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 6: he buries a three. 619 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 5: And I had the perfect vantage points. I was sitting 620 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 5: right next to our bench and just saw the whole 621 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 5: pass unfold, and I was like, how in. 622 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 6: The world did he first off, see Caleb, But then 623 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 6: let alone, you know, have the ability to execute it. 624 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 6: And it's that type of pass that, yeah, he makes 625 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 6: on the regular now, and yeah, he's a special Player's 626 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 6: been a joy to watch him, and yeah, I wish, 627 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 6: I wish I had half of his creative talent. 628 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: And listen, they got to bring you some joy if 629 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: you got to sit next to Rob Blackman for two 630 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: and a half hours, right, I mean there's got to 631 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: be some trade off, right, I mean, let's be right. 632 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 5: I mean that's a huge straight off. 633 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 6: And you're dealing with Rob and he is an Indiana 634 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 6: broadcaster the years, and that his head is just getting 635 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 6: you know. 636 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 4: The size of Eddie. 637 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 6: Yeah, and uh yeah, thankfully I have some quality baths 638 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 6: on the watch while I deal with Rob. 639 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: Well, we appreciate the time as always. We will be 640 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: listening tonight. Purdue in Iowa Wednesday Wednesday. I said that 641 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: today is Wednesday, tonight six thirty. Big ten Network is 642 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: where you can see the game as well, Bobby, appreciate 643 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: the time as always. 644 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 5: Awesome. Yeah, thanks Jake, thanks for having me on. And 645 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 5: you have go Boilers. 646 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 4: Eddie. 647 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: You played the you keep playing the Wednesday hump day deal. 648 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: Now it's stuck in my head. Today is Wednesday. 649 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 4: Yes. 650 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: In fact, I want to tell you, well, I just 651 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: I was sitting here and I'm like, Purdue Iowa Wednesday. Well, yes, 652 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: of course Wednesday. That's tonight. The last time Redd Lewis 653 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: was on, we talked about just the incredulous nature for 654 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: all of us from different angles of absorbing that Indiana 655 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: was at that time two wins away from a national championship. 656 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: They are now a win a and when you look 657 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: at the way that they dominated Oregon, you have to 658 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: feel very good about it. But Miami is no slouch 659 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: and don't fool yourself because they lost twice this year, 660 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: especially the way that. 661 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 4: They're playing now. 662 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: Rhtt joining me back once again on the Java House 663 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: Peel and poor guest line. Of course, Brett Lewis from 664 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: you see him Big ten Network, NFL Network, hear him 665 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: on this radio station as well, and rhet. The more 666 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: that I look at this, I am very confident of 667 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: Indiana and their preparation. You would be a fool to 668 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: dismiss Kurt Signetti's work in that regard. But Miami's pretty 669 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: darn stout and that defensive front four is very impressive 670 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: to me. Your overall assessment now as you look further 671 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: into the Canes. 672 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 7: Yeah, man, it's what's up, Jacob. Thanks for having me 673 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 7: back on. 674 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 3: Man. 675 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 5: Excited to shot with you. Guys. 676 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 7: I agree with you The thing that's different is they're 677 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 7: much simpler in their approach and that's because they've got 678 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 7: absolute dudes up front, right especially containing number four is 679 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 7: of the utmost, utmost importance. Now, I will say that, 680 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 7: you know, Oregon was no slouch either. You know, they 681 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 7: had the best defensive tackle in the draft, like the 682 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 7: number one d tackle in the draft and number fifty 683 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 7: two a Mauri Washington. 684 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 5: But he decided to go back. 685 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 7: To school for another year, which was somewhat inexplicable until 686 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 7: you start watching the tape and you see Bray Lynch 687 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 7: and Pat Coogan and Drew Evans kind of push him 688 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 7: around a little bit in this last game in the 689 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,959 Speaker 7: Beach Bowl. So Indiana's faced high level defensive talent a 690 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 7: bunch this year, and this will be, you know. 691 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 5: The stiffest test yet. I believe. 692 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 7: I think they kind of rush a little bit like 693 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 7: Ohio State did. There's not as much movement up front 694 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 7: with stunts and twists and that sort of thing. So 695 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 7: it's really about, hey, our dudes. They think their dudes 696 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 7: are better than your dudes, and you got to prove 697 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 7: them otherwise. 698 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: When you look at Miami and what they did, you know, 699 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: the game that I keep going back to Rhett is 700 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: Ohio State, and I know that they got a quick 701 00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: score in that game defensively, but once they got to 702 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: that lead against the Buckeyes, they were able to keep 703 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: Ohio State at bay, not just defensively but also through 704 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: kind of a ball control offense. Of keeping the ball 705 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: out of Ohio State's hands is that of concern for Indiana, 706 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: And by that I mean getting the football back and 707 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: not allowing Miami to kind of take you out of 708 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: rhythm and get you off kilter a little bit. 709 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 7: Well, yeah, look, the one thing that Indiana has been 710 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 7: able to do is stop the run. That is like 711 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 7: priority number one for Brian Haynes's defense, and then off 712 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 7: that they get after the passer because they put you 713 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 7: in at in situations that are not advantageous as an offense. 714 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 7: So will obviously be key is finding a way to 715 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 7: slow down that run game. And then you know it's like, 716 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 7: all right, how do we keep the ball out of 717 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 7: Malachi Tony's and not let him just run all over 718 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 7: the field. So open field tackling and obviously stopping the 719 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 7: run are two things that are going to be huge, 720 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 7: and he missed some tax Morgan more so than they 721 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 7: had in the previous couple of games. So I think 722 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 7: that's something to kind of watch in this one. But 723 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 7: I think there's ways they do such a great job 724 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 7: at finding ways to stop the run and putting guys 725 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 7: in position, you know, to make tackles. I mean, you know, 726 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 7: Mikyle Kamara might have played his best game of the 727 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 7: season against Oregon. I look at the work even Daniel 728 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 7: and Duquay, right, we talk about him for the two 729 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 7: sacks and the strip sack and the punt block, but 730 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 7: he had a couple of good run fits that allowed 731 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 7: other guys kind of created some havoc, allowed you know, 732 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 7: other guys to go in and make stops. So I mean, like, well, 733 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 7: that is the strength of Miami. I think it's the 734 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 7: strength of Indiana too. And then let the chips swallow 735 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 7: them many. 736 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: When you look at Indiana defensively, and you know, and Rett, 737 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: if you could kind of elaborate on this for people, 738 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: because even myself, I mean, you know, I realized that 739 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 1: not to be listening is sitting around in a war room, right, 740 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: Indiana doesn't go defensively. And you tell me if this 741 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: is even an inaccurate assessment. Okay, Yeah, Indiana doesn't line 742 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: up of saying oh okay, I'm I've got number ten 743 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: and wherever he goes, I've got to flank him. 744 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:04,399 Speaker 3: Right. 745 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 4: It almost is. 746 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: More of I have an area of the field that 747 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: I'm responsible for, and I have a great trust that 748 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,400 Speaker 1: my teammate, who is responsible for the area next to 749 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: him is locking off his as well. And if we 750 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: both seal off this area, then boom, it's hard to 751 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: move the football against us. Is that a safe explanation 752 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: of it? And what is it that Indiana does that 753 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: makes them so stout in that area of just seemingly 754 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: always knowing where the ball is going. 755 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 7: Well, that's that's the power of the Angelo Ponds because 756 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 7: he is your boundary corner. So if you you know, 757 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 7: you separate the field, if the field you know the 758 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 7: ball is on one hash, the Angel Pons is on 759 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 7: the short side, right, and then you're able to kind 760 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 7: of get creative and send more defenders into the wide 761 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 7: side of the field right the opposite side from Ponds. 762 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 7: And you're able to do that because you feel confident 763 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 7: in Pond's ability to handle what's going on on the 764 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 7: short side of the field. Then you can send. You 765 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,760 Speaker 7: got your Maury Sharp, You've got uh you know, sometimes 766 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 7: you'll have you know, Devin Boyk, It'll be over there. 767 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 7: You might put a defensive lineman back into the short area. 768 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 7: On the wide side of the field, you've got Amari 769 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 7: Ferrell over that's loom more depending on how they've kind 770 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 7: of called it and schemed it up. And so the 771 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,879 Speaker 7: ponds of the ability to handle what's happening on one 772 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 7: side allows you to focus more attention on the other 773 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 7: and to send more more guides to that side of 774 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 7: the field to kind of handle it. And that really 775 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 7: bothers quarterbacks because they have to hang on to the 776 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 7: football for a little bit longer than they'd like to 777 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,399 Speaker 7: wait for guys to get open to see if they're 778 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 7: even going to get open at all. Then they're either 779 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 7: scrambling or they getting sacked and pressure and thrown it away. 780 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 7: So really, like the lynch Pin is the Angelo Pons. 781 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,360 Speaker 1: Truly, when you look at Indiana offensively, Rett Lewis is 782 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,280 Speaker 1: our guest Java House Peel and poor guest line Bernana Mendoza. 783 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,879 Speaker 1: Obviously it goes without saying. I mean, his his ball 784 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 1: placement is incredible. He puts the football often times where 785 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: only the receiver can get it. But rhet how much 786 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,359 Speaker 1: of that is facilitated by Charlie Becker, Elijah Surrett and 787 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 1: Omar Cooper Junior notably those three get those three guys 788 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 1: never single dropping a pass. I mean, how hard for 789 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: a guy that has only been here for a year, 790 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: How hard is it to develop that sort of a 791 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: chemistry and timing. 792 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,760 Speaker 7: Look, it's it's it's time on task. As with anything, 793 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 7: you know, I fear not the man who has ten 794 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 7: thousand kicks, but the man who has practiced one kick 795 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 7: ten thousand times. And they have repped this stuff over 796 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 7: and over and over and over again with Fernando, going 797 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 7: back to the moment he signed, and I think you 798 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 7: could see that chemistry on the back shoulders, with Surat 799 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 7: on the deep balls, with Becker on some of the 800 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 7: anticipatory throws we've seen with bil Mar Cooper, especially on 801 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 7: that out, that kind of two man combo he ran 802 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 7: in the outroute for the first offensive touchdown for Indiana. 803 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 7: Like that ball was out of Fernando's hands before Omar 804 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 7: even made the move to the outside. 805 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 5: He knew. You know, there's a trust that's built there. 806 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 7: It's not just like, Okay, I understand where you're going 807 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 7: to be, but I trust where you're going to be. 808 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 7: And they've proven that, and Fernando's got his trust and 809 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 7: confidence in these dudes is absolutely sky high right now. 810 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 7: It's really incredible to watch, you know, on that touchdown 811 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 7: to Becker, the long one, he's lined up against the 812 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 7: best corner on the field there in Brandon Finnie, and 813 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 7: he wins with his release. And once he wins with 814 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 7: his release, Fernando's like, oh boom, we got this and 815 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,720 Speaker 7: the ball's out and it's over the top and Becker 816 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 7: goes up and makes a great catch. So there's a 817 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 7: lot that goes into it. You gotta have some pretty 818 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 7: good protection too, and I thought Indiana did a terrific 819 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 7: job protecting Fernando on the whole. And then when they 820 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 7: when protection broke down, he made those big scrambles right, 821 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 7: scramble for twenty and find a way to get crucial 822 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 7: first bounds in those types of situations. 823 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: Also, the strength of Indiana that will be the hardest 824 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: for Miami to offset would be. 825 00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:00,399 Speaker 7: What say that one more time, The. 826 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 1: Strength of Indiana that Miami will have the biggest challenge 827 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: trying to offset would be what. 828 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,320 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it is the receivers, because you're talking 829 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 7: about a group that is four deep. Now, I mean EJ. 830 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 7: Williams's route, his double move in stick and shake on that. 831 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 7: That last touchdown that Fernando threw, I mean, I think 832 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 7: it was forty two. Maybe I lost track of just 833 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 7: how many touchdowns it was at that point, but they don't. 834 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 7: I don't, especially because one of their top corners is 835 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 7: out for the first half of the targeting. So I 836 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 7: wouldn't be shocked if Indiana really tries them through the air, 837 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 7: especially in the first half, knowing they're down a corner 838 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 7: and they got to deal with four like really talented 839 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 7: athletic receivers who go up and get the ball, you know, 840 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 7: in any situation. So that's that's something that I think, 841 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 7: at least, you know, particularly in the first half, that 842 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 7: they'll have a little bit of difficulty dealing with. 843 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 1: Okay, the vulnerability area for Indiana that Miami will try 844 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: to exploit. 845 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, look, I think I think you look 846 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 7: at the right offensive line. I had some trouble there, 847 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 7: but I thought Khalil Benson at right tackle played one 848 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,760 Speaker 7: of his best games uh this this past week against Oregon, 849 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 7: but pass pro. You know, they're trying to collapse the 850 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 7: pocket uh and make Fernando uncomfortable. I think on the 851 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 7: left side with Carter Smith, feel really good about that. 852 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,399 Speaker 7: Pat Coogan Drew Evans that they've done a really nice 853 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,919 Speaker 7: job if the right side holds up, because it broke 854 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 7: down a little bit against Ohio State in that Big 855 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,959 Speaker 7: Ten Championship game and they had to move some guys 856 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 7: around in there. But I think that's that's something that 857 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 7: I would I would kind of be watching for Okay quickly. 858 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,840 Speaker 1: Then other way, Miami's strength that Indiana could have concern 859 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 1: about or will try to offset would be what. 860 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's it's open field tackling. It's getting 861 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 7: getting the ball, you know, to the athletes in space 862 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 7: where they can utilize some of that elite talent that 863 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,840 Speaker 7: that we talk about with Miami's team. And obviously Tony's 864 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 7: the you know, the big one there man. He is electric, right, 865 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,760 Speaker 7: and they get blockers out in front of him, allow 866 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 7: him to kind of work behind some of those guys 867 00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 7: and find scenes. 868 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 5: That's the know. 869 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 7: Elijah Hardy and Isaiah Jones and Amari Ferrell and Lou Moore. 870 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 7: They got to have one of their best tackling games, 871 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,399 Speaker 7: you know, in the middle of that, you know, kind 872 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 7: of you know from let's say the numbers of the 873 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 7: numbers where where Tony can cut back and and go 874 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 7: for you know, explosive plays. They got to have one 875 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 7: of their best games in that department. So I think 876 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 7: open field tackling is certainly one of them. And then look, 877 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 7: you've got to be able to show if you're able 878 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 7: to shut down the not shut down, but limit the 879 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,280 Speaker 7: run game, you're going to force Carson Beck into some mistakes. 880 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 7: And so now if Miami is ripping off four or 881 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 7: five six yard runs at a pop, they can protect 882 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 7: Carson Beck. And he's been playing pretty well in this 883 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 7: college football playoffs. So and look, I think Tony and 884 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,799 Speaker 7: what I was when I started off this answer talking 885 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,359 Speaker 7: about is kind of part of that too, because they 886 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,439 Speaker 7: can mimic the run game there, you know, with what they. 887 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:51,760 Speaker 5: Do with some of those quick throws. 888 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 7: So the ability to tackle and keep them off schedule 889 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 7: will force some of the turnovers and things that that 890 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 7: we've seen Carson Beck do and some of the losses 891 00:41:59,040 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 7: that Miami has had. 892 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,319 Speaker 1: This which I think probably right answers the final question, 893 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 1: which is the vulnerability from Miami has been ball security, 894 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 1: has it not? 895 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:07,799 Speaker 4: And just making sure that you. 896 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 1: Because Indiana is not going to typically Indiana is not 897 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 1: going to make mistakes and so you cannot afford to 898 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 1: make one against Indiana. That to me would be the 899 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,800 Speaker 1: area that Indiana tries to exploit that is vulnerable for Miami. 900 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 4: You agree with that, I do agree. 901 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:23,400 Speaker 5: I do agree with that. 902 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 7: You know this, I think there's there's a lot of 903 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 7: different ways that this game can go, though, Jake, I 904 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 7: really do, And you know, they're gonna they're gonna explore 905 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,600 Speaker 7: all avenues. They're going to try to figure this thing 906 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,239 Speaker 7: out in a lot of different ways. And the one 907 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 7: thing that I've been kind of excited about is that 908 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 7: I use found some wrinkles here and there in each 909 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 7: of the last three games, right the biggest games of 910 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 7: the season, and they put stuff out there that we 911 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 7: haven't necessarily seen all year. And I would imagine a 912 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,279 Speaker 7: little bit of that. I think we might see a 913 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,400 Speaker 7: little bit more deangelble Ponds on offense, because that was 914 00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,080 Speaker 7: really you know, I mean, that was that was not 915 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 7: just a gadget play. Like that was a really well 916 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 7: done play out there. Uh down in the red zone, 917 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,239 Speaker 7: you know where he was able to come up with 918 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 7: the uh with that, with that conversion. So I'm just 919 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 7: I'm the coaching chess match is. 920 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 5: Pretty cool here. 921 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 7: The connections are obviously obvious with with Corey having coached 922 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 7: for Kurt Signetti Deep its coordinator from Miami. Now there's 923 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 7: a lot that you want with this one, for sure, Ratt. 924 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,440 Speaker 1: We appreciate the time is always going to be a 925 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 1: ton of fun, a lot of things to break down, 926 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 1: and perhaps we'll be talking to you afterwards celebrating an 927 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,399 Speaker 1: Indiana championship, but we shall see. 928 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 3: Right, let's do it. 929 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:37,880 Speaker 4: Thanks, brother, appreciate it. 930 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 1: Red lewis joining us on the Java House Peel and 931 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:40,680 Speaker 1: board guests. 932 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:40,839 Speaker 5: I'm