1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: The Hammer and Nigel show man. 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 2: I feel like it's a Friday. My name is Nigel. 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:11,239 Speaker 2: Jason Hammer is here also a special guest live in studio. 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 3: So Matt Bear joins us normally on Fridays. But if 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 3: we're on the road, especially at a bar, Matt tell 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 3: me if you think this is overreacting on my behalf. 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 3: I feel like it's inappropriate to you to come on 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 3: and talk about supporting sobriety. If we're broadcasting from a 9 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 3: bar where we're promoting a drink special. 10 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: I don't want to break everybody down with uh with 11 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: my sobriety talk to her the road show. That's perfectly accurate. Yeah, 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: I think that's great. 13 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 3: But I love your stories. That's why we wanted you 14 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 3: in here today. 15 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, thank you for having me. 16 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 3: And I'm not just blowing smoke up your rear end here. 17 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 3: The word respect, I'm not just blowing vape up your rend. 18 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: The word respect gets thrown around a lot, and in 19 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 3: this industry, in the radio industry, Nige and I have 20 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 3: been doing this since we were eighteen years old in 21 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 3: this city, give or take a few other pit stops, 22 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 3: but for the most part we've been inde since each 23 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 3: of us were eighteen. I'm forty eight today. Very few 24 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 3: people can I say I respect you fall into that 25 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 3: category because you put yourself out there, if it's embarrassing, 26 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 3: if you've had a rock bottom low, you come on 27 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 3: this show and you talk about it because you want 28 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 3: to help other people. 29 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is correct, and thank you for the kind 30 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 1: words everybody. It's a case where you know, you do something, 31 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: you go through something hell to get to heaven, and 32 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 1: by sharing that story you can help others. And that's all. 33 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: It is the shame that I used to have. And 34 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: you know we're talking. I'm recovering now Kyolic an addict, 35 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: and we have a podcast called Supporting Sobriany and with 36 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: that we talked to the caregiver of people like me 37 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: and my partner, right Hedrick, the people we tormented through 38 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: our youth. So you know, if you can reach one person, 39 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: that's what it is, if you can reach one person. 40 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: And thanks to you guys having me on, there are 41 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: actually a couple of people I'm talking to right now 42 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: and helping out. I'm taking a call tonight out when 43 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: I get off work about fifteen. And yeah, it's a 44 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: person that lives in Texas all the way in Texas, 45 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: they listened to the station. They listen to the podcast. 46 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 3: Isn't that wild? It's crazy you have a conversation about 47 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 3: so many people around the country listen to this show, 48 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 3: The Hammer and Nigel Show. We've got people at Tennessee, 49 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 3: in Florida, at California and Texas that tune in because 50 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 3: whether they have ties to Indiana or not, they like 51 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,399 Speaker 3: the way that we present the information. 52 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: It's so badass. It's such a blessing. And this evening, 53 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: this guy will and I will talk a little bit 54 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: about our alcoholism, and after that we're just going to talk, 55 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: because that's what recovery is about, just talking. You know, 56 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: his dudes, we don't We don't like to be vulnerable. 57 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: We don't like to get naked. Maybe not the word 58 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: I want to do. I'm sorry, I love to be naked. 59 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 3: Can I be asked with you? 60 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 2: You said something before that I don't like and I'm 61 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 2: meant to bring up we just didn't have time. The 62 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 2: last time we were talking about alcoholics and addicts in relapsing, 63 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: you said something to the effect of, if I have 64 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 2: a relapse, I'm not coming back from that. I didn't 65 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: like that. And here's why, because you can come back 66 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 2: from that. And this is from my perspective I'm projecting 67 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: if you ever relapsed, and I know, and maybe you 68 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: can expand on what you were talking about when you 69 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: said that. I don't like that thinking because because you 70 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: could get back on the you know, you could get 71 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: right back up and pick yourself up again and start 72 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: all over again. 73 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: I'm very happy you brought that up. 74 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: I'm just I really that stuck with me when you 75 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: said that a couple of weeks ago and we didn't 76 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 2: have time to talk about it. I don't know even 77 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: know if you really remember know what I'm talking about, 78 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: But you said you wouldn't live past that or survive that, 79 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: and I don't like that way of thinking. No, you know, 80 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: you get up, you're shamed, you go back into rehab 81 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: and do the same things. Am I wrong? 82 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: No, you're not wrong at all. And that's what you do. 83 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: That's what recovery is. Coming back from recovery over and 84 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: over again. Is some of the past some of us take, 85 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: and that's unfortunate, but it is true. We do relapse. 86 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: I was speaking for my own experience on that, which 87 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: is all I can do. When we talk about recovery. 88 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: I don't claim to be an expert at anything. I 89 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: know what my experience is with my alcoholism. I remember, guys, 90 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: and I told. 91 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 3: You, well, I mean you're an expert at recovery. 92 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, I trust you. 93 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 3: More than anybody that hasn't gone through it. 94 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that's why I love working with Ryan so much. 95 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: As he compliments my weaknesses on this podcast. Yeah, Ryan 96 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: Hedrick har morning anchor, and we really compliment each other. Well. 97 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: I was thinking, and I still think about this, and 98 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: I talk to people in recovery about this. That day 99 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: that I left work, left here doing traffic WIBC, when 100 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: I was drunk as a monkey. I always used to say, 101 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: through my alcoholism and doing traffic when I'm drunk, the 102 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: words will still come. You're good enough at this, you 103 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: know the roads well enough, you know the map, the 104 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: words will come. Until that day the words didn't come anymore. 105 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: And that's when I picked up my bag and I 106 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: said goodbye. The newsroom was full. John Herrick was there, 107 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: I believe, I think Kurt was there. Madison McGill, Chris Davis, 108 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: Hilott was there, and they were all there. And I 109 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: said goodbye, and then I took my bag with a 110 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 1: half bull of vodka and I went down to my 111 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: car and I got in and I drove home. 112 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: Did it take a realization from yourself or was it 113 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 3: your boss yelling at you? Because Matt, let's be honest. 114 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 3: I remember one of the rock bottom lows that you had. 115 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 3: You were on our air. You were drunk doing a 116 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 3: traffic report, Nige and I kind of knew it. It 117 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,119 Speaker 3: was pretty bad. And then we got a phone call 118 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 3: like into the hotline here off the air, where one 119 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 3: of our bosses was like, you've got to get Matt 120 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 3: off the air. 121 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: Like interesting, I didn't know that, And I'm. 122 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 3: May be telling you this for the first time. If 123 00:05:58,200 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 3: that's the case, that's the case, Let's do it. 124 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: Let's get it. 125 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 3: I think you can understand. Did it take a realization 126 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 3: from yourself or one of your bosses saying until you 127 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 3: get right, you can't do this job again. 128 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: It was a combination. On that day that I left 129 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: and I went right on New York Street going back 130 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: to Mass Avenue to my apartment. It was so surreal 131 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: because how I remember the I wasn't a blackout drunk, 132 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: It's drunk CAUs I was I always. You may have 133 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: to remind me, but I remember everything. I made this 134 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: right onto the one way in New York Street. It 135 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: was so quiet, it was here quiet, and I remember 136 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: thinking to myself, how much money do you have left 137 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: to pay your rent? How much money do you have 138 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,119 Speaker 1: left to buy vodka over the next thirty days. Jeez, 139 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 1: I call that and it's not my expression, and I 140 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: can't say where I got it from, but it's called 141 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: going to the bitter end, and knowing you're going to 142 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: the bitter end. That's what happens when an alcoholic in 143 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: recovery dies in use. It's going to the bitter end. 144 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: And that's what I was thinking of. That's what I 145 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: was planning. Now here's what happened. Somebody here, I have 146 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: a nine who it is, but I can't confirm it 147 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: because I've never asked a fact as it just happened. 148 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,679 Speaker 1: Somebody here called the cops. So when I get home, okay, 149 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: and I cannot remember this was morning, your evening rush. 150 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: I believe it was evening because there was a knock 151 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: at the door and the cops were there, and I 152 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: was just sobliterated. Yeah, before they got there, I was 153 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: just pulling off this bottle like a madman. I had 154 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: to hit my hand, you know. I was drinking straight 155 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: from the bottle like you know, it was just going down. 156 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: There was no It was just I was just dowsing 157 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: myself with alcohol, even more drunk than what I normally was. 158 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: And I invite the comps and we have a conversation 159 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: to the best of my ability, and basically they were saying, no, 160 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: we're not going to leave without you because there was 161 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: a suicide watch here. So they cuffed me and take 162 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: me out of the apartment. Yeah, they cuffed me, take 163 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: me out of the apartment, and take me to a 164 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: hospital where I was in detox. And you know when 165 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: you're on Yeah, yeah, you have to go. 166 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 3: Was it accurate, like, were you in danger of harming yourself? 167 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: I was ready to go to the bitter and again 168 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: with that, in other words, I was ready to drink 169 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: myself to death. That was the plan. At some point 170 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: I would succumb. I gave myself maybe a month and 171 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: a half, two months before I'd be completely gone. I mean, 172 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: my liver was just sticking out of my stomach almost 173 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: it was so protruded, and my whole and you could 174 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: feel in your pancreas and you have sorry about the 175 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: detail hemorrhoids just in these patches of I mean, I 176 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: was getting close to expiration. What a change made? Well, 177 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: thank you and God bless change, because it do look 178 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: like that anymore. Right. 179 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 3: I feel so bad that you are in so much 180 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 3: better shape than I am. Right now, I'm trying to 181 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 3: do everything. I still in bybe Matt, and I hope 182 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 3: that doesn't make you upset. I still have beverages, but man, 183 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 3: I go to the gym like I'm drinking this stupid 184 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 3: big bottle of water that I drink multiple big bottles 185 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 3: every day. I'm trying to do everything right, and damn it, 186 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 3: you still look a hundred times better. 187 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: You guys have lost a ton of weight. You're taking 188 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: care of yourselves. I'm happy for both of you, and 189 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: it's a privilege to be on here doing this today. 190 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: But I bring these stories up, and I tell these 191 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: stories because I remember it wasn't so much that bad 192 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 1: things were going to happen to me. It was more 193 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: of a thing. Nothing happens to you when you were 194 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: in that It's just great. There's no good, there's no bad. 195 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: You're not happy. You're not sad. The only time you 196 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: feel a little bit of happiness is when you're pulling 197 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: off the bottle. 198 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 3: Okay, we've been pretty heavy here. Can we take a 199 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 3: break and come back? And I want your thoughts of 200 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 3: the Colts game this weekend. Okay, and we got a 201 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 3: clip from your podcast too. I want to play. Could 202 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 3: you come back for one more segment? 203 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 1: I'd love to thanks all right, Matt. 204 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 3: Bear the traffic beast joining us here. Man, nobody's more 205 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 3: of an open book than this cat. I got a 206 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 3: couple of things I want to get to you, Matt, 207 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 3: but we got a short time to do it in. 208 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 3: We got two minutes here. The Colts will be celebrating 209 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 3: Shack Leonard aka Darius Leonard this weekend at the game 210 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 3: against the Raiders. He's announced his retirement from the league. 211 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 3: He will retire as a He's banging the anvil your thoughts. 212 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: One of my favorite Colts of all time, and I've 213 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: been a Colts fan forever. Just like everybody else, I 214 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 1: love Shack Leonard. The guy was an absolute missile a playmaker. 215 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: Reminded me of my favorite cold of all time. Well, 216 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: my second favorite Colt of all time. And that's Bob Sanders, 217 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: who was just an absolute just a little missile, Yeah, 218 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: he was an absolute missile. And hope and like this 219 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 1: team now has Nick Cross, who I'm becoming a huge 220 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: fan of, and Michael Pittman Junior, who is just a man. 221 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: It's an absolute man. So I expect him to show 222 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: lack Vegas this weekend. That's what I want. 223 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 3: What SoundBite from your podcast are we about to hear? 224 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: Okay, we talked about the negative stuff before the break, 225 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: but now this is the positive stuff, the beauty of it, 226 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: the fun stuff. That's the joy of recovery. The thing is, 227 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: when you're recovery now alcoholic, you have to put in 228 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: the work. But I and it's sometimes it's a little arger, 229 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: sometimes there's there's a lot to it. One of the 230 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: recovery centers I was at it was a step study. 231 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: It was a step study for troubled children, except we're 232 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: all forty and we go through the NA work book 233 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: for step one complete surrender and step one that your 234 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: alcoholic and add it has to make to begin their 235 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: recovery journey in Arnest and there were sixty nine questions. Yeah, 236 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: I know, it's a lot of questions, and they were saying, yeah, 237 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: if you're write yes or no, you got to go 238 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: back and do the whole thing again. You had to 239 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: write out the answers. It was one of the most 240 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: valuable teachings I've ever had. Recovery. 241 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm sorry, Oh go ahead. We got about ten seconds. 242 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: I'm just saying it was a fantastic experience in the 243 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: world of recovery is a beautiful thing. If you're ready 244 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: to come. 245 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 3: I'm so proud of what you become. Matt, God bless you. 246 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 3: Where can we find this podcast? 247 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 1: You can find it on any major podcast provider. I 248 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: use Spotify and Supporting Sobriety at Sobriety Underscore pod on Instant, 249 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: Instagram and x and my partner's Ryan Hendrick. You can 250 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: find him at Sure to Cover on Twitter. 251 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 3: Anywhere you get your podcast, I hear that all the time. 252 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 3: Right anywhere you get your podcast, you'll find it Supporting 253 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 3: Sobriety Matt Behar, Thank you so much. 254 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: Man, Happy birthday, Hammer. Thanks for having me for that. 255 00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:58,599 Speaker 1: Thank you. 256 00:11:58,679 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 3: I appreciate you. 257 00:11:59,400 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: Brother. 258 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 3: Hey coming up next, Tommy Piggott, he used to work 259 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 3: with the RNC. He used to call it every week 260 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 3: now he works at the State Department. He's got an 261 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 3: update for us next