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Speaker 1: You're listening to the best of the Fan morning show

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Speaker 1: on ninety three five and one oh seven five the Fan.

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Speaker 1: He goes out of the gun et in his back

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Speaker 1: on the hip, left back in the throw with Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: Colts bring pressure Lawrence out of the pocket upfield at

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Speaker 1: the five beering left and he's gonna scamp in for

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Speaker 1: a touchdown. That's a four yard quarterback scramble into the

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Speaker 1: end zone. Trevor Lawrence finds pey dirt with his legs

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Speaker 1: and Jacksonville is on the board. It's ten to six

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Speaker 1: with five thirty eight to go in the second quarter.

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Speaker 2: Twenty three seventeen, the final yesterday, six straight losses for

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Speaker 2: the Colts. Off to Houston officially one o'clock on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: It'll be Colts and Texans to close out this twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five season. Here as what seven and one is

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Speaker 2: now turned into flip it right one and seven, since

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Speaker 2: the seven to one start has now been one and seven?

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Speaker 3: Is that right? Eight and eight? And I'll say if

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Speaker 3: the math is correct, the maddingdending, Yeah, the math is

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Speaker 3: pretty right.

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Speaker 2: Now if you're over there on West fifty sixth Street,

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Speaker 2: I guess looking back on yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with Philip Rivers.

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Speaker 2: James your overall thoughts on what you saw from him

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Speaker 2: and his third and potentially final start here.

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Speaker 4: He finally looked like he was not really in sync,

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Speaker 4: and I think he said that after the game, Kevin.

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Speaker 4: I thought he kind of made up for perhaps some

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Speaker 4: of the physical deficiencies the last two weeks heading into

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Speaker 4: that game because of his mind and throwing with anticipation, accuracy,

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Speaker 4: things like that. But yesterday I just didn't see a

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Speaker 4: whole lot of that. I know maul A Cox made

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Speaker 4: a great play in the end zone to extend I

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Speaker 4: guess the streak of games of at least having one

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Speaker 4: passing touchdown since he returned to the NFL. But I

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Speaker 4: thought River was just a little bit off yesterday and

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Speaker 4: just couldn't get the ball where he needed to go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was the oldest he's looked so far.

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Speaker 2: I thought he kind of showed his age. And again

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Speaker 2: I have to throw in the caveat every time we

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Speaker 2: talk about Rivers, like, let's remove ourselves from the movie

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Speaker 2: for a second.

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Speaker 3: The movie is incredible.

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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable what he's attempting to do all that stuff,

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Speaker 2: But if you're evaluating him in an NFL game as

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Speaker 2: a quarterback, the offense is back to being a dinosaur.

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Speaker 3: It's I think in the.

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Speaker 2: River starts James Seattle in this one. I believe it's

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Speaker 2: the second and third fewest yards in the Stikeen era.

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Speaker 2: The yards per play number again was just an archaic number.

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Speaker 2: They only had one drive over thirty yards the entire game.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was either Ashton Dooland has a huge

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Speaker 2: kicker return to set you up, or you're not moving

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Speaker 2: it at all there. So you know, he said it

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Speaker 2: after the game, probably his worst start, I would agree

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Speaker 2: on that. I just thought he looked old. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean ran into his offensive lineman for a sack. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I know the pick got tipped a little bit. I

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Speaker 2: didn't think that thing had a prayer even to get there.

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Speaker 2: Even if it wasn't, that was one of those throws

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Speaker 2: felt like there were probably three or four other balls James.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he definitely sprinkled in some good ones.

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Speaker 2: I mean the ball the downs on the Colt sideline

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Speaker 2: that got challenged, I mean, that was a hell of

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Speaker 2: a play, but it just seemed like, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: A coat he wasn't At the same he was playing

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Speaker 3: a little bit more fire than I think we had

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Speaker 3: fitting that Caleb plays a clip there if Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is not obviously breaking news by any means,

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Speaker 2: but with Philip Rivers playing quarterback, it puts so much

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Speaker 2: pressure on your passing offense because that play that Lawrence

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Speaker 3: How many years he even have? Yes, I think it was.

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Speaker 2: The same old, same old, Like twenty carries for seventy

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because you're trying to, at least myself, I'm trying

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Speaker 3: It feels like twenty.

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Speaker 2: One carries seventy yards a long run of ten and

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Speaker 2: if you look at these losses James seven to eight weeks,

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Speaker 2: you won't find a stat that probably correlates more to

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Speaker 2: game in Germany. Yeah, I mean that was historic over

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Speaker 2: seven yards per carry. He obviously hits the home run

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Speaker 2: we all remember there in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 3: All of that.

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Speaker 2: If you look at that's the only win in your

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Speaker 3: And I do think the lack of any.

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Speaker 2: Sort of threat vertically down the field from rivers and

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Speaker 2: of course with his legs is at play here. So hey,

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Speaker 2: I would go with you know, Riley Leonard on So

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Speaker 2: I don't necessarily am saying that from the point of

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Speaker 2: I think Riley Leonard all of a sudden gives you

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Speaker 2: I think I've said it since day one. I'd probably

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Speaker 2: would have gone with Leonard. Would it ultimately have looked

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Speaker 2: the same zero to three Probably probably would have been

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Speaker 2: a little bit more volatile. Honestly, like with Rivers, it's

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Speaker 2: a little bit more methodical bleeding, if you will, And

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Speaker 2: that's how I would view it. But I just think

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Speaker 2: if there is even a hint that you think Riley

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Speaker 2: Leonard might be needed in September of next season, which

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Speaker 2: I know is a long ways away, I think it'd

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Speaker 2: be healthy for him to get his first start on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, because you don't know what you don't know.

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Speaker 4: I know he got thrown in there against Jacksonville week

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Speaker 4: fourteen after Daniel Jones went down, But giving him an

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Speaker 4: entire week to prepare and having that sort of titles

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Speaker 3: I certainly agree with that. Kevin.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was funny if they something to him

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Speaker 4: for the final player yesterday's game, and for a second there, look,

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Speaker 4: he gave him a chance to win the game. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I was a pretty good Hell Mary attempt.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know, and I saw where Pierce was.

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Speaker 2: I thought for a second it was gonna happen.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and especially just because it didn't die before the

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Speaker 4: If it's in his vicinity, I feel like he's gonna

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Speaker 4: dB for picking it because I almost felt like, you know,

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Speaker 4: Staff feel like somebody comes up with it because it

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Speaker 4: was a nice little crowd there. But yeah, I think

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Speaker 4: Mike Chappoll shout to the dean and he's walking out yesterday, Kevin,

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Speaker 4: He's like, uh, it doesn't really matter, but they're gonna

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Speaker 4: start a rookie next week, most likely who had a

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Speaker 4: zero passer rating last week. And I'm like, only you,

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Speaker 4: Chap would think of, you know, the official statistical stat

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Speaker 4: line for the one passes from Rody Leonard this peak peak.

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Speaker 3: Mike, I should Sus Gardner have played yesterday?

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Speaker 4: No, And again I had a lot a lot of

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Speaker 4: fans tell me this is stupid, And while I agree

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Speaker 4: that Friday, Hey, he is going to start. I understand

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Speaker 4: you all are frustrated. It shouldn't be a thing, but

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Speaker 4: this is what is going to happen. That is the expectation.

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Speaker 4: The playoff implications didn't change anything, but the optics of it,

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Speaker 4: Kevin are bad. And I actually had it might have

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Speaker 4: been a listener who kind of really put it all

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying.

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Speaker 4: I agree with all of this, but it is pretty

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Speaker 4: damning when your quarterback tried to play through a broken

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Speaker 4: fibula and he tore his right achilles, and then your

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Speaker 4: star defensive tackle came back, probably prematurely from a neck injury.

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Speaker 4: Now he needs a next surgery. Sauce Gardener in a

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Speaker 4: meaningless game for your franchise, the Sauce Gardener, year of

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Speaker 4: two first round picks four comes back from a left

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Speaker 4: half injury. He's telling us how he wants to fight

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Speaker 4: through it for what, and then he ends up leaving

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Speaker 4: the game early because of a left calf injury, reaggravating it,

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Speaker 3: In this city.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it just didn't seem like the risk was

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Speaker 4: worth that at all. So, I mean one practice in.

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Speaker 3: What two weeks? Three weeks? It was, it was like

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Speaker 3: one practice of a month. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the last time he played or practice was

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Speaker 2: November thirtieth, And yeah, to your point with the Colts

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Speaker 2: we all know the Friday practice is typically one of the.

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Speaker 3: Lighter ones of the week.

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Speaker 2: It was, you know when when you're there watching, you know,

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Speaker 2: and I'm watching Saw and trying to focus him on

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Speaker 2: be something I wanted to write about. He was favoring

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Speaker 2: that thing a lot throughout the game, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever feel this way about

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Speaker 2: covering guys, James, But I'm not fully used to the

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Speaker 2: Sauce Gardner body language just yet. You know, like the

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Speaker 2: more you watch people you cover, the more you're used to.

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Speaker 2: Like Lance Stevenson was the peak of it. Lance would

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Speaker 2: be laboring out there and I'd be like, he's fine,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's like my kid's fake crying.

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Speaker 3: Well, what do they say?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 4: I think stan Van Gundy always says it kb the

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Speaker 4: basketball is healing powers, right, So you.

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Speaker 3: Know, you missed my layup and all my calf kind

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Speaker 3: of heard the day your team gets to steal and

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Speaker 3: it's like, wait a second, I feel good again.

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Speaker 2: Sure that's like, uh, it's the diva whiteout that finally

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Speaker 3: So so with Sauce in all.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't like, you know, I haven't viewed him

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Speaker 2: that much to really watch him. Obviously, I wasn't in

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Speaker 2: Kansas City, I wasn't in Germany for those games, but

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Speaker 2: it looked like he was favoring it, I would say

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Speaker 2: the second drive of the third quarter, I see him

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Speaker 2: the Calf Sauce for what it's worse set after the game,

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Speaker 2: he doesn't feel like he restrained it or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: But still there's probably no need to see you What

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Speaker 2: Again, injuries are the reason for this. I want to

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Speaker 3: Gardner gave the Colts. Now, that is a fact.

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Speaker 2: Injuries are the definition of that. But damn can you

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw this.

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Speaker 4: Late yesterday last night, Kevin Sauce Gardner put out this

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Speaker 3: Wait, wait, say that again. I totally missed that.

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Speaker 4: He put out a tweet, and he ended up leading it.

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Speaker 2: Damn he had some numbers there. Yeah, you know he's

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Speaker 2: No, I believe Sauce Gardner what was a part of

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Speaker 4: I would argue that again, having a cornerback take away

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Speaker 3: To give him a.

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Speaker 2: Little credit, though, I will say, and I don't know

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Speaker 4: He is at again really good player and certainly affects

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Speaker 4: All I'm saying is sure, hey man, we don't want

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Speaker 2: A lone depress send at seven thirty on that one.

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Speaker 3: We'll get a lot.

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Speaker 2: I think into the big picture, certainly as the show

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Speaker 2: when it comes out of Chris Baward, are we evaluating

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Speaker 3: And I as should be nine And I asked that

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Speaker 4: And there's some nuance there, like does Carly view it

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Speaker 3: If you're that regime, this is the one off. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I bring it up though, because Carly did warn us

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Speaker 3: She did not take that bait.

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Speaker 2: She sat there and said, well, you know, there's a

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Speaker 3: Cap hit is about twenty six million dollars next year.

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Speaker 3: I don't think their play has been ascending.

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Speaker 2: And by that I mean the Zion Franklin's, the Kenny

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Speaker 3: For you?

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Speaker 2: How much was it scheme for Kenny? How much of

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Speaker 4: We all know athletes are not the same that first

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Speaker 4: So does that give you confidence that next you'll be better?

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Speaker 4: Can we sit here and say, oh, if everyone just

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Speaker 2: And again, as much as the Colts can sit here

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Speaker 4: No, But I do think it is a very delicate

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Speaker 3: But in certain scenarios it can.

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Speaker 3: So it's possible.

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Speaker 4: But Kevin, I'm not sitting here saying, Okay, if you

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Speaker 4: just because to your point, I get that he has,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would probably agree with a lot of what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's difficult to arrange marriage. It up

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Speaker 2: I was like, wait, why is Chuck I mean lame

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Speaker 2: to say Chris Boward might get a tenth year. When

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Speaker 2: I say that out loud.

441
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Speaker 4: Is it even wilder knowing that the last playoff victory

442
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Speaker 4: was in twenty eighteen.

443
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Speaker 3: I haven't memorized down to.

444
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Speaker 4: Basically a slogan almost because I write this line over

445
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Speaker 4: and over again in my stories. Zero AFC titles, Well, no,

446
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Speaker 4: I always do it like this. It's like, you have

447
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 4: two playoff appearances, is one playoff win? Zero AFC titles

448
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 4: is always in descending order. That's your team. It's it's

449
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Speaker 4: funny one zero.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about this yesterday in the press box,

451
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Speaker 2: actually looked it up. Tomorrow will be the one year

452
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Speaker 2: anniversary where I wrote that Ballard and Gus Bradley should go.

453
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Speaker 2: And I went back and like looked at that article

454
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Speaker 2: and I'm like, all I need to do is just

455
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Speaker 2: like update the record because all of it is still

456
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Speaker 2: the same. Yep, the two, the one in the zero. Yeah,

457
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Speaker 2: some of the numbers that I find just wild. It's

458
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Speaker 2: so if you go to the Vision titles again, Sunday

459
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Speaker 2: will be the eleven year anniversary of your last home

460
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Speaker 2: playoff game. I believe it's twenty five teams have hosted

461
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Speaker 2: a home playoff game since you last have. You go

462
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Speaker 2: to twenty eighteen, that's your last playoff win. I believe

463
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Speaker 2: it's twenty two teams have won a playoff game since

464
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Speaker 2: you last have. And then if you go to playoff

465
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Speaker 2: appearances and this could change. Remember with Carolina if they

466
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Speaker 2: win on Saturday. Twenty nine teams have been in the

467
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Speaker 2: playoffs since you last have like those numbers. I mean,

468
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Speaker 2: if you look at that and think to yourself that

469
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Speaker 2: person might get a tenth year, it's astonishing. I mean

470
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Speaker 2: it is wild. And yet I sit here on this

471
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Speaker 2: Monday morning and think, boy, they might just repurpose the

472
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Speaker 2: same letter that they did last year after the Week

473
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Speaker 2: eighteen game, and I guess just have Carl Ersay Gordon

474
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Speaker 2: sign it and maybe change a few words in there

475
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Speaker 2: and boom, there you go. It's like you want a

476
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Speaker 2: project at Illinois back in the day.

477
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Speaker 4: Hey, I got through baby, graduated with honors. But I

478
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Speaker 4: will say this, it seems like how the cults are

479
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Speaker 4: treating I was gonna say, I think being a gym

480
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 4: a little bit harder than you know, making sure you

481
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Speaker 4: get through a sea's good degrees class.

482
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Speaker 2: Who starts sweet eighteen for the Colts will hit on

483
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Speaker 2: that coming up eight o'clock hour. We'll take some calls

484
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Speaker 2: as well. Three one seven, nine ten seventy for to

485
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Speaker 2: join the conversation. Text line is open as well. Three

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Speaker 2: one seven two three nine, ten seventy.

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Speaker 3: Good Monday morning.

488
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Speaker 2: If you haven't been out there, it is crispy that

489
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Speaker 2: whatever balmy weather we had yesterday is long gone. It's

490
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Speaker 2: windy and it's chilly. But thanks for starting your week

491
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Speaker 2: with us right here. It's a fan morning show.

492
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Speaker 3: I think, you know, credit to them.

493
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Speaker 5: I think they did some good things, but I think overall,

494
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Speaker 5: we just got to keep someonementum going offensively and moving

495
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 5: the football. I'm still that out a few drives there,

496
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 5: so obviously offensively, gotta do some you know better things

497
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Speaker 5: to keep that, you know, the points going.

498
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Speaker 2: It is a two to nine record for Shane Stike

499
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Speaker 2: and football teams against the Texans and the Jags, and

500
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Speaker 2: these three seasons as head coach. I think that maybe

501
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 2: is the biggest reason why enough would be enough for

502
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Speaker 2: three years as head coach for Shane. I don't get

503
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Speaker 2: the impression that he thinks he's on any sort of

504
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 2: hot seat, but that stat, I mean, that is just

505
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 2: ooh boy, is that ugly two and nine against Houston,

506
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: Jacksonville and James. One of those wins the meaningless overtime

507
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Speaker 2: win with Mac Jones at quarterback for the Jags last season.

508
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Speaker 2: That's a season finale, season finale. Boy, Yeah, we put

509
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Speaker 2: it like that. Yeah, not good man.

510
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Speaker 4: I will say this, you're also from a big picture standpoint,

511
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Speaker 4: those are your last two division winners over the last

512
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Speaker 4: what is I think three years, I don't know the

513
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Speaker 4: last time that Tennessee won the division.

514
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Speaker 3: But Houston's won it. I think they're going for the

515
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Speaker 3: trifecta three, one and two. Jackson right now controls it

516
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Speaker 3: if they win exactly.

517
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Speaker 4: But to your point, you would have had a chance

518
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Speaker 4: to win the division had you probably won a few

519
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Speaker 4: of those games. I mean, you had on a platter

520
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Speaker 4: there in your first season. Now, granted that was with

521
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 4: Gardner Minshew and a backup quarterback. I get all that,

522
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Speaker 4: but over this extended period of time, to play that

523
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Speaker 4: poorly against your division rivals, biggest games of the year annually,

524
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Speaker 4: that's pretty damning.

525
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

526
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Speaker 2: And I think being eliminated prior to Week eighteen now

527
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Speaker 2: for two straight years is also making the taste even

528
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Speaker 2: more sour, like you're not getting even to Week eighteen

529
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Speaker 2: with a chance. And that's with you know, as we've

530
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Speaker 2: talked about all morning long, you got seven of the

531
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Speaker 2: sixteen teams in the AFC NFC of course getting in

532
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Speaker 2: I mean that's I mean, that's nearly half the conference

533
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Speaker 2: and you're not even getting to the final week of

534
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Speaker 2: the season with a chance. Obviously did the first year. Yeah,

535
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Speaker 2: it came down to that game with Houston the last year.

536
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Speaker 2: This time last year we were talking about the ugly

537
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Speaker 2: ass kicking in New York to Drew lah good lord,

538
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Speaker 2: and now we're talking about the six game losing streak

539
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Speaker 2: and a historical collapse.

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Speaker 4: We'll have a question for you and Caleb, and this

541
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Speaker 4: is a question that I have stolen from our buddy

542
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Speaker 4: Stephen Holder of ESPN. He was asking the players after

543
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Speaker 4: the game, how would you define this season? Are you

544
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Speaker 4: a good team that was decimated by injuries? Or were

545
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Speaker 4: you not a good team because you couldn't overcome some

546
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Speaker 4: of those obstacles, including injuries.

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Speaker 6: I think there's too many close games that they lost

548
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Speaker 6: to sit here and say that they were a good team. Now,

549
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Speaker 6: I think the talk was through the first eight weeks,

550
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Speaker 6: it was that, hey, good teams blow out the ones

551
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Speaker 6: they're supposed to and they that is a characteristic of

552
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Speaker 6: a good team, and they were doing that. Deserved some

553
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Speaker 6: credit for that, but all the other characteristics were missing.

554
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Speaker 3: Maybe not all, but a lot of them.

555
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Speaker 6: And so at the end of the day, when you

556
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Speaker 6: look at the whole picture, no, they were not good

557
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Speaker 6: enough and there was too many close games even after

558
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Speaker 6: the Daniel Jones injury, where you're just like they didn't

559
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Speaker 6: do enough down the stretch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't call anyone a good team that loses

561
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Speaker 2: sixth straight and seven of eight. No, I mean you

562
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Speaker 2: go around the league, James. I know there's not a

563
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 2: lot of these teams to fall in the category, but

564
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Speaker 2: there are several teams that have gotten deep on the

565
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Speaker 2: quarterback depth chart this year and have won a football game.

566
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Speaker 2: You know, we keep on bringing up Cleveland yesterday and

567
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: their situation. I mean they beat a team that was

568
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Speaker 2: competing for a playoff spot.

569
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Speaker 3: You know when you look.

570
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Speaker 2: At you know team in the Detroit Lions were still

571
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: hanging in there, and Minnesota found a way to beat

572
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Speaker 2: them over the weekend.

573
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Speaker 3: Not the prettiest looking thing.

574
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Speaker 2: But when adversity hits, are you able to find other

575
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 2: ways to scrap? Claw, scratch, fight? How everyone to look

576
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 2: at it for a win? So you know, obviously injuries

577
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: hurt them. I'm not thinking to ignore that or just

578
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: sweep it.

579
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Speaker 3: Under the rug.

580
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Speaker 2: But part of the seventeen week grind is being able

581
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: to at some point overcoming and look, they only needed

582
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 2: to overcome it what once?

583
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 3: Maybe? I mean, if you win.

584
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Speaker 2: The right game, if you would have beaten Houston, for example,

585
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 2: at home whatever a month ago before you know, really

586
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: all the injuries started to impact you. You know, that

587
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: was still what pre achilles for Daniel Jones. We could

588
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: be talking about a different conversation here, So that's where

589
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Speaker 2: I would go again. I don't think you know, when

590
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Speaker 2: we ranked the nine seasons of Chris ballor James, is

591
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Speaker 2: this going to be number one on the egregious scale?

592
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Speaker 3: No?

593
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Speaker 2: I think that's a ludicrous thought to say that. But

594
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: in a bottom line business, the resume is the resume,

595
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Speaker 2: and we've pointed it out now throughout the first ninety

596
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Speaker 2: minutes of show, and we will continue to do so. Sadly, unfortunately,

597
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: it's the definition of ugl y.

598
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Speaker 3: You ain't got no alibi.

599
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Speaker 2: I was hoping some more time, man, Thank you, Caley.

600
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Speaker 2: How common do you think it is for a head

601
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Speaker 2: coach to get a fourth.

602
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Speaker 3: Year with no playoff appearances?

603
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Speaker 4: We talk a lot about ballot. I think I'm actually

604
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,239
Speaker 4: not sure. Is that way I can look this up.

605
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Speaker 4: I mean, I can mainly do it, I would suppose,

606
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Speaker 4: But we.

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Speaker 2: Talk a lot about ballad, I guess, just to start off,

608
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Speaker 2: and I don't know if there's frankly anyone out there

609
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Speaker 2: James that thinks he should get a tenth year. I

610
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: don't know if you feel like Chris bal shouldet a

611
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: tenth year three, one, seven, nine, ten, seventy. But the

612
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: Shane Stikeen fourth year is a little bit more I

613
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Speaker 2: think of a debate.

614
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Speaker 3: Within the fan base.

615
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Speaker 2: So how much do you view twenty five and twenty

616
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Speaker 2: five as a record, the quarterback situation being how it's been,

617
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Speaker 2: the record against Houston and Jacksonville being what it's been,

618
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: and missing the playoffs three straight years.

619
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Speaker 4: And I would even say when we talk about Shane,

620
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Speaker 4: and granted I don't know what all it entails to

621
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Speaker 4: be a head coach, but are you confident that he

622
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Speaker 4: can be a head coach and be a good head coach?

623
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Speaker 4: Because I don't doubt that he is a good offensive mind,

624
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Speaker 4: at least personally. There's been time I will set agree

625
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Speaker 4: with up. There's times where I'm like, all right, brother,

626
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 4: run the ball. You know, I think that happens from

627
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Speaker 4: time to time with him. The clock management might not

628
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Speaker 4: be his best friend and in some instances, but I think.

629
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Speaker 3: Overall rough end of the first half yesterday, yeah it was.

630
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Speaker 4: But you can make an argument that he is a

631
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Speaker 4: good offensive mind and he's kind of made something out

632
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 4: of not nothing but.

633
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Speaker 3: Not good ingredients.

634
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Speaker 4: When it comes to the quarterback position always being banged up,

635
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Speaker 4: some of the offensive injuries he had throughout the last

636
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Speaker 4: couple of years to keep players, I get all that,

637
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Speaker 4: but also from a front facing standpoint, does he meet

638
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Speaker 4: the moment enough?

639
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Speaker 3: And I don't. I'm not I'm not so sure about

640
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 3: that part of it.

641
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is where I get back into like the

642
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Speaker 2: individual grades. Like if I were assessing letter grades, and

643
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Speaker 2: I'm just saying this off the top of my head, James,

644
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: if I're assessing letter grades to you know, Chris Ballard's

645
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: ten yere and Shane Sikein's tenure, the ballot tenure would

646
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: be like a D minus and the stike In tenure

647
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: would be I, I don't know, C minus. Yeah, Like,

648
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's as damning. But also you know,

649
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: it comes back to the old debate of do you

650
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: tie those two at the hip, and how awkward is

651
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: it if you don't tie them.

652
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 3: At the hip?

653
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think offensively, there's a lot to like

654
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 2: about what he brings to the table, but unfortunately the

655
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 2: big picture as the head coach, and I think times

656
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 2: that just gets lost with him and the evaluation. And look,

657
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: you can point to a lot of coaches around the

658
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: league that do both and wear those hats very well.

659
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I think if you looked at the playoff picture, James,

660
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: you look at whenever we get there on Sunday night,

661
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: and you look at the fourteen teams, it's probably split

662
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: around the league.

663
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Speaker 3: Of head coaches.

664
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Speaker 2: How many how many of the playoff head coaches also

665
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: call their team's offensive plays, and how many of them

666
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: are more the CEO?

667
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 3: It's probably split.

668
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, And certainly at the time, giving your quarterback situation,

669
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 2: you know you needed probably more of that offensive head coach.

670
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: And you know what do you typically do? You typically

671
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: kind of go a little bit more. You know, from

672
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: a one to eighty standpoint there, So you know, all

673
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 2: of a sudden, would Carle or say Gordon view it as, Hey,

674
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 2: we need more of a CEO type in here as

675
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: a head coach. You know, if you made me like say, hey,

676
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: what would you do right now? I probably would fire

677
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: the GM, let the new GM evaluate chainsyching, and however

678
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: may er they want to. And that could mean you

679
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: walk in this building and within a week you say, hey,

680
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: head coach is fired. I'm gonna tie together. I'm gonna

681
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 2: start it over, or you sit there and say, you

682
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: know what, I think Shane has had his hand tied

683
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: behind his back a little bit here from a personnel standpoint,

684
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to help him out in that area.

685
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 2: I think there's some potential here as an offensive guy.

686
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: Maybe staff wise, I need to get a few more

687
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,719
Speaker 2: voices in there that can help him out, challenge him

688
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: in some.

689
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 3: Other ways, and we'll see if I can work with him.

690
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: You know, that's kind of my general thought, Like when

691
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: people ask me, what do you think the cult should do, that's.

692
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: Probably where I'm at.

693
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: I don't love the idea of not tying them together,

694
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: and I'm a little skeptical of my own thought, to

695
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: be honest with you, but.

696
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 3: That's probably where I would go. Again.

697
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 4: I can see a lot of different ways for this

698
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 4: team to go. A lot of nuance in that decision,

699
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 4: but I'm probably leaning more to George got side Kevin

700
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 4: just because.

701
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: I mean, and no Vet would be safe. I don't

702
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: know if I need to say that, But nobody on

703
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 2: this roster would be safe. I mean, I look at

704
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 2: this roster, and I mean I'm talking the elite of

705
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: the elites. Nobody on this roster I view is untouchable,

706
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: and the one that people would probably hold in that

707
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 2: regard to be Quentin Nelson. If you told me tomorrow

708
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: I could get two quality day one day two picks

709
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: for Quentin Nelson, I'd probably do in a heartbeat.

710
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 4: Are you saying that if you change GMS or are

711
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 4: you saying that in general?

712
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 3: Well, I'm saying that in general.

713
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: Obviously the likelihood would be a lot different if you

714
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: did change GMS than if you didn't.

715
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: But this core to me.

716
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: I don't think any I guess I'm grouping them all together,

717
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:44,959
Speaker 2: but I don't think anybody's earned the right to be again,

718
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: truly untouchable.

719
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Speaker 3: I mean, what is the group one?

720
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Speaker 4: No, I agree, But my argument, and I'm not saying

721
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 4: this is my personal belief, but the argument is, well,

722
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 4: if you do look at twenty twenty six right now,

723
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 4: from a roster construction standpoint, how do you not run

724
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 4: it back considering what you've invested. And I'm not saying

725
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 4: it's the right decision, but I could see them doing

726
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 4: it just because it's either that or if you blow

727
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 4: up the roster you need to just get rid of everybody.

728
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 2: Then, in my opinion, see, this is where I understand

729
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: where you're coming from. But this is where I push

730
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: back and that trade being greenlighted during the middle of

731
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: the season, because when you made the trade for Sauce Gardner.

732
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 2: To me, you obviously said a lot about your belief

733
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 2: in sauce Gardner as a player, but you said a

734
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: whole lot more in what you thought of Daniel Jones

735
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: and Chris Ballard. That's what I'm saying, And so I

736
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 2: don't necessarily view it like if I'm Ballad. I'm thinking,

737
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 2: wait a minute, if I make this trade, no matter

738
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: what happens, I get to save my job for the.

739
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: Next two three years.

740
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: Well, hell yeah, that sounds great, right, even if we

741
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 2: have a historic collapse from here, even if we go

742
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: seven to one to start in one and seven to finish,

743
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: even if we become I'm the first team since two

744
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 2: thousand to start eight and two, it missed the playoffs.

745
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: Of course you're gonna do that trade if it guarantees

746
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 2: my job security. And that's where the Carly Urse Gordon

747
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 2: element James is a little uneasy for me. And by

748
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 2: that I mean this, when you make that trade and

749
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: if she indeed, as reports indicate, green lighted it, she

750
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 2: is saying to her organization, Daniel Jones, you are an

751
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 2: unquestioned franchise quarterback. Chris Ballard, you are are one thousand

752
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 2: percent GM moving forward, and you're telling me seven weeks

753
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: of football earned the right for Daniel Jones to be that.

754
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: Seven weeks of football earned the right for Chris Ballard

755
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 2: to be that.

756
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 3: That makes no sense to me. It ain't gotta make

757
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: sense to you.

758
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 4: But my point is when you look at all I'm saying,

759
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 4: isn't I agree with you from this standpoint?

760
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 3: But all I'm saying is devil's advocate.

761
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 4: And I hate when I use that because I'm like,

762
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 4: who wants to be the freaking devil? But if you

763
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 4: make those moves, Kevin, you're saying you believe in the

764
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 4: roster that you have and you have a chance to

765
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 4: change your mind. But my only pushback to that is

766
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 4: if you change your mind, then you need to be

767
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 4: all in about doing that. I don't want to see

768
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 4: a bunch of tinkering with the roster if you say

769
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 4: we are not good enough, whether you keep Chris ballad

770
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 4: or not, whether you keep shanging stacking or not, that

771
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 4: you need to be getting rid of everybody, like you said,

772
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 4: offloading players, recouping draft capital, and then you got to

773
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 4: prepare yourself and your fan base for some ugly lean years,

774
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 4: because I think people right now don't realize it. Honestly,

775
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 4: as someone who is not from the state of Indiana

776
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 4: did not grow up.

777
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: As a Colts fan, you have been spoiled.

778
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 4: With the whole terrible bad experience because when you finally

779
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 4: got bad from the pay Manning years, you were gifted

780
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 4: Andrew luck. Now you're going through some bad, middling years.

781
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 4: But it can get a whole lot worse, for a

782
00:37:58,719 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 4: whole lot longer.

783
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: I would argue eleven straight years without a home playoff game,

784
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 2: eight straight years without a playoff win in five straight

785
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: years that a playoff appearance is pretty bad.

786
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 3: Oh, brother, it can get worse. And now I'm saying

787
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that I would argue.

788
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: It's pretty freaking bad right now. And I get that

789
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 2: the grass might look a lot browner, but yeah, pretty

790
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: damn brown to me. It looks like Kevin Bones front

791
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: yard right now.

792
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 4: And that's fine. All I'm saying is, prepare your fan base.

793
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 4: You're going to be the Titans. Prepare for that.

794
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: Three set to find the conversation in the division of

795
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 2: recently the Cals.

796
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 3: I love that argument already.

797
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: Kevin Bowen, James Boyd, Caleb Zoomer, thanks for starting your

798
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: week with us.

799
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 3: Right here, I'm the fan.

800
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: Motion out to the left side, including Downs, Warren and

801
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman.

802
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 3: Jew there they're blitzing Rivers throws that.

803
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: Way intercepted thirty twenty five twenty yard line of being

804
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: stopped right there as Jerry and Jones. He came away

805
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: with his second interception in as many games. The second

806
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: year quarterback in a Florida state comes away with the

807
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: interception and that Jaguars are right back in the bit

808
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: this near the red zone.

809
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 3: Hell of a tackle by Josh Downs.

810
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: That actually was four point saving tackle by Yeah, but boy,

811
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 2: when we're talking about a hell of a tackle by

812
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 2: Josh Downs here on a Monday morning.

813
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 3: Don't say it positive.

814
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 4: Man and Issue also had a crazy catch on the

815
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 4: sideline that got a nice reaction from Uncle Phil Grandpa

816
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 4: Phil going off on the revs. You probably dropped like

817
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 4: seven dead gummets in that discussion.

818
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 3: Let's stink and go.

819
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: That was the phrase we saw quite often in the

820
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 2: micd Up version of the forty nine Ers game. Again,

821
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 2: Good Monday morning to you, Kevin Bowen, James Boyd, and

822
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 2: Caleb Zuver with you here. We have broken down a

823
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 2: lot over the Colts and they're now fifth straight year

824
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 2: missing the playoffs.

825
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 3: Yesterday twenty three seventeen to the Jags.

826
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 2: Just to lay out the week for those that are curious,

827
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: NFL did announce the week eighteen schedule late last night.

828
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: The Colts are back in the what you would expect

829
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: one o'clock Sunday window with a meaningless game with Houston. Technically,

830
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: Houston could still win the AFC South. They would need

831
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: Jacksonville though, to lose to Tennessee. So I would expect

832
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: a normal schedule week for the Colts, you know, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, practice,

833
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera, and then James Typically what happens

834
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: is when you know that final game ends on Sunday

835
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 2: the next day, so that would be one week from today.

836
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 2: That is when you have player locker room clean out,

837
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 2: and that is the day that the NFL references is

838
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: Black Monday from around the league. And last year, correct

839
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong, the Jim Mersey pen letter came

840
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 2: out what just a couple hours after the Week eighteen

841
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: game ended, Colts and Jaggs at Lucas Ol State. I

842
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 2: want to say it was like a seven o'clockish something

843
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 2: wrong along those lines.

844
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe so.

845
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 4: I just remember stepping out into the snow because remember

846
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 4: we had that huge snowstorm, stepping on into the snow

847
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 4: after writing my post season post game story and then

848
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 4: having to go back to the apartment and rewrite it

849
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 4: because ersay put out a statement that.

850
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 3: Could have been put out at four o'clock.

851
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 4: But yes, they did make a statement, made it pretty quickly,

852
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 4: and I wonder if that will be the case this year.

853
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 3: Do you just use the same statement?

854
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: I mean you could if you keep everybody around, Do

855
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 2: you like go back and you change a few words,

856
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: like it's you know.

857
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 4: Is it just courtesy to wait till the black Monday thing.

858
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 4: Could you just do the whole well, you know what.

859
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 3: Like do it today.

860
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 4: No, I don't mean do it today. I mean, well, yeah,

861
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 4: you definitely could do it today. It's a Monday, but

862
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 4: you know the whole season ends. Will wait in the

863
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 4: morning and do everything.

864
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: If I remember correctly, with Ryan Grigson, I want to

865
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 2: say Gregson was fired like several weeks into January.

866
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 3: Wow. Now again that's Jim Mersey's watch. It's a different animal.

867
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: I would assume if you are Carli ors Gordon and

868
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 2: you encountering your first ever if she is, and again

869
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: I'm not hold my breath, I guess to say it

870
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: out loud, but if she is going to make a

871
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 2: change or two, I would assume she would want as

872
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 2: much time as possible.

873
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 6: James wants to laying Kiffin situation. Fire him on a tarmac.

874
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 6: That's what Jessel James wants.

875
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 4: I guess overlook, as somebody who works in the news business,

876
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 4: make it quick. If you're gonna make anything, any type

877
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 4: of decision, get it over with. I don't like waiting

878
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 4: around because you know what happens, Caleb. I get comfortable.

879
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 4: I think, huh, you know what, ain't nothing gonna happen.

880
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 4: I can relax, I can go get this haircut, I

881
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 4: can go to the grocery store, I can go see

882
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 4: my family friends. And then as soon as I do that,

883
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 4: something happens. It without failure, every single time. When JT

884
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 4: got his extension after the whole saga with Jim Irsay,

885
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 4: I was in the chair getting the line and.

886
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 2: Oh, I will never forget when Gregson got fired, I

887
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: was up in Chicago visiting some some buddies. I might

888
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: have had a libation or two at that point. I

889
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: mean this was, like I swear, Caleb, you can look

890
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 2: up the date. Look up the date Ryan Gregson got

891
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: fired from the Colts. I mean it had to have

892
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 2: been two, if not three weeks into January when you

893
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: know he got and I think we occasionally see this

894
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 2: and I, yeah, it was.

895
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 3: January twenty first, So I think I don't know that.

896
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: What's Monday, Monday is gonna be what January fourth, fifth?

897
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that is quite a while.

898
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: And that was what So two weeks into into the

899
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: off season, I haven't really deciphered too much of league

900
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 2: wide and feel free guys to chime in.

901
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: So far. Right now we have what we have enterom coaches.

902
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think where New York Tennessee, Tennessee is

903
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 3: that it. I feel like there's one more, but that

904
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 3: might that might be it. It should be one for

905
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: the writers.

906
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 2: But it doesn't seem like there's to Ben Johnson coordinator pursuit.

907
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 2: There doesn't seem to be I don't know, maybe Marcus

908
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 2: Freeman is this There doesn't seem to necessarily be the

909
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: hot college football coach that is just waiting to join

910
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 2: the NFL. A Lah Harball maybe from a couple of

911
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: years ago. The one big domino that I am curious about,

912
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: because there's always something that is unforeseen on Black Monday,

913
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 2: or at least in the general world around that day

914
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: sometimes involves a playoff team. Frankly, what happens with Steelers

915
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: Ravens Sunday Night football game two seventy two, because I

916
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 2: just feel like we've had some whispers throughout the year

917
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: of and maybe it's just, Hey, I'm tired of waking

918
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: up next to that person, which sounds kind of harsh,

919
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 2: but you know, maybe that is the case with John

920
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: Harball in Baltimore. Maybe that is the case with Mike

921
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 2: Tomlin in Pittsburgh. And so does that lead to anything?

922
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: Does the loser of that game or hell maybe if

923
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: the winner then gets oked in the playoffs? Do we

924
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: see anything domino effect off of that?

925
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 6: I like this the rare both coaches coaching for their

926
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 6: job game.

927
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 3: How many times has that happened?

928
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 2: Which sounds wild because both coaches are like borderline Hall

929
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: of Fame coaches.

930
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 3: I don't even think they are though. That's the thing.

931
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 4: Well, I definitely don't think Tomlin is man. And I know,

932
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 4: I know everyone's gonna be.

933
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 3: Like man, Yeah, James, I don't. I mean, they trust.

934
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 4: Me when I tell you this man is not coaching

935
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 4: for his job with Pittsburg.

936
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 3: He's just not.

937
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: I get the Pittsburgh usually doesn't do these things. But

938
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: when's the last time they won a playoff game?

939
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 6: Oh?

940
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 3: I agree with you that fans are so fed up

941
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: with him.

942
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 2: But don't we usually always have one story in the

943
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: coaching world of the black Monday that's a little bit

944
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: not crystal clear, that's not Tennessee or not New York.

945
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: Where is that going to be? I mean right now

946
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: from a national landscape. James, correct me if I'm wrong,

947
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: But I don't think we've had any sort of schefter

948
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: rapaport any of those guys bringing up Shane Steiken's name

949
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: in India.

950
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 3: No, that is true unless I've missed it.

951
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 2: I don't think there's been true any of the national convo.

952
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 4: Which is why you should stick with local journalism like

953
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 4: us here on the thing.

954
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: But again, it's not like we're sitting here expecting to

955
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 2: change Nah.

956
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 3: Not necessarily, not from the coaching.

957
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 4: I do think again, if you're looking at the scales,

958
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 4: the high alert one is definitely the more weightier one.

959
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 4: Has to be valid before I go to Stichen.

960
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: Now agatting some of those I think has to do

961
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: is just carli Ers Gordon in general, and like there's

962
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: no past precedent with her. So that's a good point.

963
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: League wide, I think that is at play here. Whereas

964
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: you know, maybe Jim Rsay certainly Chris Mortenson, you know,

965
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 2: had a very close relationship from a national media standpoint

966
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: with some of those guys. Mike Silver comes to mind,

967
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 2: so maybe you know that is at play here. But yeah,

968
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: we'll see if.

969
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 3: You know.

970
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: As I've tried to read tea leaves throughout this, and

971
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 2: again it's difficult because carli Ers Gordon is different, But

972
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: does the embarrassment You know, I would call this collapse

973
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 2: embarrassing to a degree. You know, I get there's some context,

974
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 2: but James, and we throw out the stat since two thousand,

975
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: you've had ninety six teams start eight and two and

976
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,919
Speaker 2: you're the only one not to make the playoffs. Hell,

977
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: you didn't even make it to eighteen week eighteen with

978
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: a chance. And we've extended the playoff format. If you

979
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 2: look at that stat since two thousand, for what the

980
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: first twenty years of that stat, only six teams made

981
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 2: the playoffs in each conference.

982
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 3: Now there's seven.

983
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: I mean, that is a very historic, embarrassing collapse. Are

984
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: we simply just chalking up to, hey man, people got hurt, right,

985
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 2: I'm back.

986
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 4: And do that.

987
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 3: I can't do that.

988
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 4: It's to me, it's definitely the biggest reason for the

989
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 4: collapse the injuries.

990
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: But Carlier say mentioned that back in the spring, she

991
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 2: brought up the injury.

992
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: Those are her words.

993
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 3: We don't have many of her words to go off of. James,

994
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 3: he brought that up. That's a very good point.

995
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,479
Speaker 4: And again it just goes back to how I think

996
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 4: what we're trying to do right now and it's kind

997
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 4: of a cop out response from me, But we're trying

998
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 4: to theorize what could happen without having a good chance

999
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 4: or a good precedent of what has happened with respect

1000
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 4: to Carliers Gordon. With Jim irsay, in the past, we

1001
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 4: could say, well, if I look here at this year,

1002
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 4: in the similar situations, some moost circumstances, he did this,

1003
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 4: and honestly, with Jim irsay, some of that stuff never

1004
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 4: made sense whether you had past president or not, I e.

1005
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 3: Jeff Saturday being hired.

1006
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 4: However, this is why this offseason I think is so

1007
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 4: pivotal from an organization organizational standpoint, because whatever Carly ERSA.

1008
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 4: Gordon does moving forward this offseason is what we will

1009
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 4: judge her and the franchise by and the next off

1010
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 4: seasons to come. And boy, she steps into such a

1011
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 4: unique situation.

1012
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 6: I have to say this to those interview if jobs

1013
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 6: do open up here, those interviews are gonna have to

1014
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 6: be like sixteen hours long. Do you understand how much

1015
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 6: is at risk here? And what's on the table? First

1016
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 6: round picks? What are you gonna do with the quarterback?

1017
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 6: What are you gonna do with the head coach? There

1018
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 6: is you have to get a full idea, especially for

1019
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 6: the general manager, what their plan is gonna be and

1020
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 6: what their philosophy is. There is so much to figure

1021
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 6: out here.

1022
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 4: Well, I'll say this, you don't have to worry about

1023
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 4: that because when they went through this process with Shane

1024
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 4: it was you know, days long interviews and stuff like that,

1025
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 4: So that won't be an issue. But certainly I can

1026
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 4: say this, I do know this about Carly. She is

1027
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 4: not I want to cut corners. So she will be

1028
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 4: very thorough. You talk to any players, any coaches about

1029
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 4: just her being around the team, not only this year

1030
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 4: but in years past, very very detailed. And one of

1031
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 4: the players who I think speaks to that the most

1032
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 4: publicly is no longer here, and that's Stefan Gilmore. This

1033
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 4: is the guy who's probably the future Hall of Famer,

1034
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 4: former decent defensive player of the Year, and he was

1035
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 4: early in saying, dude, she is built for this, and

1036
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 4: she is prepared for this, and she doesn't cut corners.

1037
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah I could. Again, I'm not going to pretend to

1038
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 2: know Carl Risi Gordon, well, but the little.

1039
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 4: Shops at the same you know locations and same Carl,

1040
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 4: the car dealership.

1041
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 3: I somewhat park close to her in the in the

1042
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 3: parking lot.

1043
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 2: Slightly different cars, I must say, But you know, the

1044
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 2: little I do know of her, I could definitely see her.

1045
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 2: First off, I think she will be much more black

1046
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 2: and white than her dad. Ultimately when it comes to

1047
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: decision making from an emotional standpoint, yeah, I think she

1048
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: is going to look at hardcore numbers and look, the

1049
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 2: hardcore numbers are ugly, and she's going to sit here

1050
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 2: and be like, wait, what why why are we twenty eighth?

1051
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 2: Why are we twenty fourth? Well, you know, however, you

1052
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 2: want to slice and dice it. And I could see

1053
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 2: here wanting to make a very quick imprint on this

1054
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 2: is I'm running the show right now. Me and my

1055
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 2: sisters are run the show right now. I mean they

1056
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: made some organizational moves in the immediate aftermath of her

1057
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 2: dad's passing that you know some people that have been

1058
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,479
Speaker 2: in that organization for a long long time, and no, no, no,

1059
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 2: we are now moving forward and we don't necessarily feel

1060
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 2: like you whatever you fit there, you fit there. You know,

1061
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: dollars and cents, however you want to slice and dice it.

1062
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 2: So there is that part of me that believes that

1063
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: aspect to it. But I continue to come back to

1064
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 2: that trade and that trade just it just threw a

1065
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 2: wrench into all of it. To me, it was when

1066
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 2: you make that move, and if she indeed green lighted it,

1067
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: then that would be quite the one to eighty two

1068
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 2: months later. But I'll always say this, when you are

1069
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 2: people in positions of authority, particularly in professional sports, admitting

1070
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 2: you're wrong, I think it's one of the hardest things

1071
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 2: to do, but it can also be a massive deciding

1072
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 2: factor in you maintaining your job. Like Kevin Pritchard with

1073
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: the Demanta Sabonis Miles Turner thing, he felt like that

1074
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 2: was the right move, committed to that, and then all

1075
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: of a sudden realized, oh, believe this isn't gonna work.

1076
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 3: Can you pivot or are you too stubborn to not?

1077
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 4: And then got rid of Demantas Sabonis after a shoot

1078
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 4: around in Atlanta where I have to, you know, stay

1079
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 4: awake and write that I agree. But can I say

1080
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 4: this too, to your point about having to pivot and

1081
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 4: make decisions where at first you thought one thing and

1082
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,479
Speaker 4: then you think another. You have to do it also

1083
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 4: at the expense of somebody else's job tenure potentially, and

1084
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,720
Speaker 4: that's the nuanced that's there.

1085
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 3: But also that's what you get paid the big bucks for.

1086
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 3: That's why they're the owner.

1087
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 4: Like you can say I greenlighted the sauce gardener trade

1088
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 4: and didn't work. But you can also say, well, you

1089
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 4: know what, you might not be the right person to

1090
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 4: help me fix this.

1091
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure that you know this conversation will

1092
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 2: probably have a lot throughout the week, and you know,

1093
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 2: the whole gardener trade. To me, it was less about

1094
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: do you think sauce Gardner is a great player? You know,

1095
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 2: that remains to be seen if he's going to be

1096
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: that in occult uniform. Obviously this year injuries have played

1097
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:45,959
Speaker 2: a massive factor in that. But when you make that move,

1098
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 2: you said Daniel Jones is your franchise quarterback unquestionably, and

1099
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 2: you said Chris Ballard is your GM of the future.

1100
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 2: And those two thoughts, to me are super premature. And

1101
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: I don't think at Tynesight twenty twenty, all of a

1102
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 2: sudden you've been in for me and I get that

1103
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 2: the sauce gardener is available, It's not something that's available

1104
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 2: three hundred and sixty five days out of the year.

1105
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: The trade deadline was what November three? November fourth? Like,

1106
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 2: you can't just execute that trade, ye in a snap

1107
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 2: of a finger. Here, that's how in season trades oftentimes work.

1108
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 2: But sometimes you're not allowed to shop down those aisles.

1109
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 4: And I, well, you just you just brought back so

1110
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 4: many memories I can hit my grandmother.

1111
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 3: Now put that down right right when we get in here.

1112
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 3: You don't touch nothing.

1113
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 2: No, I'm lucky if you know the candy bar at

1114
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 2: the checkout, if I can slide that under a few

1115
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 2: other groceries before we go through the checkout line.

1116
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 3: We got McDonald's at home. Hey, for real? Oh my,

1117
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 3: the story verse at home, the stories. I can tell the.

1118
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 4: Story now, now I get the flexus. I got McDonald's money.

1119
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 4: Now what's up only for me?

1120
00:54:51,000 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 2: Though, Let's hit a morning check down. How about the

1121
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 2: game yesterday twenty three seventeen. It was the Jags over

1122
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 2: the Colts. Colts built a ten to nothing lead. I

1123
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 2: thought a Jonathan Taylor ran it with some early success.

1124
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 2: Ashton Dooland sparked things and that Colt's pass rush was

1125
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 2: reaching back into the archives with some moments that I

1126
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 2: hadn't seen but James, from then on you just felt

1127
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 2: like Jacksonville. Eventually they would stop playing with their food

1128
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 2: and assert their dominance on the game.

1129
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,280
Speaker 3: Certainly from a yardage standpoint.

1130
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 2: They did, and then scoreboard wise made the plays and

1131
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: they needed to twenty three to seventeen.

1132
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 3: The difference for you in the game was what Philip

1133
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 3: Rivers final looked old man.

1134
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 4: I just thought that they weren't able to put the

1135
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 4: ball on the field very often. And although it's not

1136
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 4: all his fault, his turnover did lead to the go

1137
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 4: ahead field goal that ultimately proved to be the lead

1138
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 4: they couldn't come back from.

1139
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought he looked his age for the most part.

1140
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 2: You know, definitely sprinkled in some good But the dinosaur

1141
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 2: offense was back again for the Colts. Yes, Jonathan Taylor,

1142
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 2: Ultimately you couldn't keep him as an efficient runner. Defensively, again,

1143
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 2: the big pass rush early on did not last. We

1144
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 2: did see sauce Gardner leave early tightness in his calf,

1145
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,879
Speaker 2: so assuming he is shut down, that would be three

1146
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 2: and a half games for sauce Gardner here in a

1147
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 2: Colt's uniform. He left early third quarter. Technically, I guess

1148
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 2: wasn't ruled out, but he did not look like a

1149
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 2: guy that was returning to play anytime soon. So it'll

1150
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 2: be Colton Texans coming up Sunday, Week eighteen, the season finale.

1151
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,800
Speaker 3: A ten point underdog in this one.

1152
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 2: Moving to the other parts of the NFL Week eighteen,

1153
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 2: the schedule is set well.

1154
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 3: First off, we got Rams Falcons tonight Monday Night football.

1155
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 3: They're looking ahead to Week eighteen.

1156
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 2: There's really not a lot to play for from a

1157
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 2: playoff berth standpoint. The NFC South is yet to be decided,

1158
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 2: so that'll be our Saturday game at four point thirty

1159
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 2: Panthers Bucks winners the four seed. The number one seed

1160
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 2: in the NFC is also left up in the air.

1161
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 2: That could be either forty nine Ers or Seahawks. That

1162
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 2: will be the night game coming up on Saturday. Winner

1163
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 2: of that is the one seed.

1164
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 3: Loser.

1165
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 2: I believe loser of that goes to the winner of

1166
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 2: the NFC South, right, So it's kind of wild.

1167
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 3: Those two games.

1168
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 2: Are back and forth there, so forty nine Ers, if

1169
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: they win, they're the one seed. If they lose, then

1170
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 2: they're traveling to Carolina or Tampa in Round one and

1171
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 2: then Game two seventy two the last game of the

1172
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 2: season Sunday Night Football Ravens and Steelers. The winner there

1173
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 2: is your AFC North champ and your loser is out

1174
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: of the postseason.

1175
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 3: And according to Kevin Bowen, the loser their coaches fired too.

1176
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 3: Who else is fired? So they just trade coaches.

1177
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll's fired or no, Kevin Stefanski.

1178
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 4: In all seriously, Pete Carroll probably needs to go. So

1179
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 4: that's one year and us, Yes, it is that bad.

1180
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 3: I don't.

1181
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:56,439
Speaker 4: I can't look at the Raiders and look at anything

1182
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 4: that they've done and say.

1183
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 3: This is good. Zach Taylor in Cincinnati, that's another one interesting.

1184
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 3: I mean, that would be a coveted job, but it not.

1185
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,479
Speaker 4: You would think, well, anytime you got a franchise quarterback, yes,

1186
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 4: but that ownership.

1187
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel getting another run in Miami, He's got playoffs

1188
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 2: on his resume. I'm like Shane Stiken, He's also like

1189
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 2: kind of made them like decent.

1190
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 3: Seven to nine.

1191
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 2: The Dolphins winning eight games potentially is not.

1192
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 3: What I had on my Bengo card.

1193
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 6: I feel that way about the Vikings too, just with

1194
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 6: the way things started for them, like all of a sudden,

1195
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 6: they could be the second place team for the third

1196
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 6: place team in the NFC North.

1197
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 2: A couple other all throw out there. Jonathan Gannon in Arizona,

1198
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 2: Raheem Morris in Atlanta, Any of that could be possible here,

1199
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 2: I'd see Morris. Yeah, Black Monday coming up here a

1200
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 2: week from today. All right on the hardwood tonight we

1201
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 2: got a little bit of action here on a Monday,

1202
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 2: Pacers and Rockets. It'll be an eight o'clock tip down

1203
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 2: there in Houston. The Pacers have now lost eight in

1204
00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: a row. Looks like Ben Shephard could return, So James,

1205
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 2: if I have this correct, we could be as early

1206
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 2: as tonight having a McConnell, nem Hard Matheren Shepherd, Nie Smith,

1207
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 2: Aaronie Smith back in the lineup after a month and

1208
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 2: a half out, Pascal Siakam. That's about as close to

1209
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 2: the expected opening night core as you've had in a while.

1210
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 2: So again, it's eight in a row. You right now,

1211
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 2: you have the worst record in the league. If there's

1212
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 2: ever going to be a time, we'll see if it

1213
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 2: happens here in January.

1214
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,479
Speaker 4: It's not for me to start checking the schedule again

1215
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 4: to see when does Darren Peterson play. Aj Debands the

1216
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 4: Cameron boozer. If the basketball guys want to reward us

1217
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 4: for the loss of Tyers Taliburnon's achilles. By the way,

1218
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 4: he's back on the court doing some workouts four games now,

1219
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 4: which is good to see. Give the Pacers that number

1220
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 4: one pick.

1221
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 2: By the way, and I just saw this pop up

1222
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,479
Speaker 2: on my Twitter timeline. I kind of forgot this about

1223
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 2: Liam Cohen, Jack's head coach. Remember how Saga filled it

1224
00:59:58,200 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 2: was crazy that head coaching search was.

1225
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, didn't he like it?

1226
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 4: Didn't he agree to come back to Tampa Bay as

1227
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 4: a coordinator. And then he went to do the interview

1228
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 4: with Jacksonville and ghosted the Buccaneers and then took the

1229
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 4: Jaguars job well, and.

1230
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 3: He got the Jacks GM fired. Remember that Trent.

1231
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 2: Bulk Oh yeah, that was one of his sticking points.

1232
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 2: And they hired the young dude. Yeah, well, I saw

1233
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 2: him on the sidelines before the game. That is the

1234
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 2: young I cannot believe that dude is a GM in

1235
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 2: the NFL. James Gladstone, I believe.

1236
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 6: Is the name.

1237
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 3: Shout out to Rod James. You know, black don't crack.

1238
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 2: He did a nice black jack jacking on yes, flipping

1239
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 2: the ball up.

1240
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 3: All right, keep here. You talk about black Monday. I've

1241
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 3: been black on every Monday of my life.

1242
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 2: By the way, he speaking of black that bus sash

1243
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 2: on shod Cohn. You see that thing in person.

1244
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, luscious. Oh it's an immaculate you know

1245
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 3: what's crazy. I never felt more you have.

1246
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 2: A family in there. That thing is so just look,

1247
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 2: I mean, that thing is awesome.

1248
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 3: No, this is true. To shake his hand.

1249
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 4: I have never felt more broke in my life than

1250
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 4: last year at the owner's meetings down and was it

1251
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 4: Palm Beach or whatever. And we're at this fancy hotel

1252
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 4: and they get out of the like owners meet the

1253
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 4: literal owners meetings, and Seat Khan comes walking down the

1254
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 4: hallway and he's got liked you said, the luscious mustache.

1255
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 4: And then you see all the other owners walking by,

1256
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 4: and I'm like, Okay, that's that's ten billion, that's two billion,

1257
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 4: that's and I still got to pick my car. No

1258
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 4: on the Honda Civic. You know, dude, you and.

1259
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 3: I could agree on this. We could tell stories for days. James.

1260
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 2: There's nothing that will humble you more as a human

1261
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 2: than attending the NFL owner's meetings.

1262
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, true story real quick.

1263
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 2: There was a seeing how you arrive and how you

1264
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 2: where and how you whatever versus Batworld.

1265
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 4: There was a and it was my first time I

1266
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 4: think going to was this is my first time going

1267
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 4: to owner's meetings. I believe so it might have been.

1268
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 4: And there was a child's security guard. He saw me

1269
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 4: the first couple of days and maybe like by like

1270
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 4: the third day or whatever, he stopped me. He said, Uh,

1271
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 4: I was like, I thought I was in trouble or something,

1272
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 4: or I was walking somewhere. I wasn't supposed to be like.

1273
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 4: He's like, nah, no, he's that one. Lets you know,

1274
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 4: the look on your face is onally changed. He said,

1275
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 4: it looks like you're, you know, actually kind of like

1276
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 4: relaxing that you might have belonged here, because he said,

1277
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 4: for about two days there, you was like you didn't

1278
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 4: know what you were doing.

1279
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 3: I was like, I it was that easy to spot

1280
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 3: walking through those hotels.

1281
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 2: I was hands in the pocket, you don't touch one thing,

1282
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 2: you don't look at your head on a swivel, and

1283
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 2: if you run into the wrong person, oh boy.

1284
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 3: You got kids running around because of the holiday and Express Idea.

1285
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 2: Got a couple of calls to get to we'll do

1286
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 2: that coming up after the break. It is the fan

1287
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 2: morning show here on a Monday that I look outside

1288
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 2: and I'm seeing snow floors.