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Speaker 1: But of the teams that are in season right now,

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Speaker 1: what I'm about to say. There's going to be plenty

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Speaker 1: to go with it. We will join him or he

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Speaker 1: will join us, I should say, in just a couple

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Speaker 1: of minutes. Also on the program today, pretty cool conversation

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Speaker 1: about thirty minutes from now with a guy that I've

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Speaker 1: known for a while that has a special event going

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Speaker 1: on in Evansville. We will get into that with somebody

434
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Speaker 1: whose story I think you're gonna raise an eyebrown, go wow,

435
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Speaker 1: you know you want to talk about resolve, you want

436
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Speaker 1: to talk about strength. We got that coming up at

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Speaker 1: one o'clock and it is also a Franciscan hell feel good,

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Speaker 1: good for the hard Friday, good story about a young

439
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Speaker 1: girl overcoming some challenges in her own right. That story

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Speaker 1: coming up at two o'clock hour. Kevin Bowen will join

441
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Speaker 1: us then as well. It is a sun splashed, locked

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Speaker 1: and loaded Friday here acquiring company on the fan. Beautiful

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Speaker 1: day indeed a little bit chilly, but it is gorgeous outside,

444
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Speaker 1: no question about it going to be a great weekend

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Speaker 1: in central Indiana again. Colts Titans for twenty five kick

446
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Speaker 1: coming up on Sunday. You can hear that game on

447
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Speaker 1: our sister station ninety seven to one, hank I fam.

448
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: That's because the Pacers game will take to the airwaves

449
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Speaker 1: at six thirty on Sunday on this radio station when

450
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Speaker 1: Indiana takes on the Minnesota Timberwolves. But last night it

451
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Speaker 1: was the Oklahoma City Thunder. And joining us now in

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Speaker 1: the Java House Peel and Port guest line to discuss

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Speaker 1: that is from the Indianapolis Star, Dustin.

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Speaker 3: Doe Pirak.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Eddie, I almost said dope, Irak. It's dope,

456
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Speaker 1: pierrak We know, yes, thank you, he joins us. Now, Dustin,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing well?

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Speaker 4: Good to hear the good to hear the sound coming

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Speaker 4: back where we got to get used to this and

460
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Speaker 4: talking paces again, that's right, well done, guys. Y.

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Speaker 1: You know we actually have one also for your colleague

462
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Speaker 1: that covers Indiana because it's another hurdle of the line. And

463
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Speaker 1: of course I'm talking about your friend and my friend Zach.

464
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Speaker 1: Thank you, yes, but in this situation it is actually

465
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Speaker 1: Kirak who's joining us on the show? All right, Dustin,

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Speaker 1: let's get to this. Takeaways from last night. The first

467
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Speaker 1: is going to be the Pacers at their point guard position.

468
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: Ben Shephard ended up almost by default playing it. Obviously

469
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Speaker 1: at the end of the game he was out. I

470
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Speaker 1: think the rotation they went with was, you know, you

471
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Speaker 1: had foul issues and everything else, but Shepherd's there, topping

472
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Speaker 1: was playing at the center Siakam Jarres Walker was on

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Speaker 1: the floor at that point. I thought Shepherd played okay,

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Speaker 1: But what do you think they'd do? What are we

475
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Speaker 1: hearing on how long nim Hart is out and what

476
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Speaker 1: they may do in this situation? Uh, in terms of that.

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Speaker 4: Depth, Yeah, I don't have any like clarify clarification on

478
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Speaker 4: that this morning. But I think Rick Carlile's tone when

479
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Speaker 4: he said, you know, this could create some challenges suggest

480
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Speaker 4: to me that it's not just a one day thing.

481
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Speaker 4: I mean, obviously they'd be fortunate to find out that

482
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Speaker 4: there's not a lot of structural damage in there and

483
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Speaker 4: that he doesn't have to miss any time. But Rick

484
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Speaker 4: Carlo didn't seem, you know, certainly seemed concerned, and so

485
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Speaker 4: at this point, you don't don't know how long it

486
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 4: could be. Obviously, they're they're already dealing with TJ. McConnell

487
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 4: being out for uh, you know, it was about two

488
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Speaker 4: and a half more weeks. Uh, you know, with his injury.

489
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Speaker 4: I guess it'll be I guess it'll be two weeks.

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Speaker 4: On Saturday. Is sort of when they're saying, you know

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Speaker 4: that we should ask about it again. So you're looking

492
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Speaker 4: at such a situation where you could be out, you know,

493
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Speaker 4: two of the guys that were supposed to handle the

494
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Speaker 4: job with Tyrese Haliburton already out. So I don't know

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Speaker 4: what they're gonna do. Uh. And it certainly seems like

496
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Speaker 4: they're willing to try guys who have had some experience

497
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Speaker 4: with it before but haven't done it on a full

498
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Speaker 4: time basis. Uh. They seem to trust Ben Shepherd in

499
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Speaker 4: that case. They certainly seemed willing to put the ball

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Speaker 4: in tailor in Peter's hands more than you would expect

501
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Speaker 4: a second round pick who played one, you know what,

502
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Speaker 4: really one season of Division one basketball. But he's had

503
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Speaker 4: a really good camp in Taylor and Peter. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I would think they'd at least look around again at

505
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Speaker 4: the possibility of adding another veteran point guard, but they've

506
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Speaker 4: tried it three times and it hasn't worked, So they

507
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Speaker 4: just seemed willing to just move things around. I mean,

508
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Speaker 4: I think with Carlisle Uh certainly proven the willingness to

509
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Speaker 4: be creative. They will get Quintin Jackson back at some

510
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Speaker 4: point in time, and I imagine they'll actually be really

511
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Speaker 4: willing to lean on him because I think he's played

512
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Speaker 4: really well in circumstances where he's been able to play,

513
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Speaker 4: but he's been out for a hamstring with a hamstring

514
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Speaker 4: for a couple of weeks or I gain more than

515
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Speaker 4: a week now, So I think they're going to stick

516
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Speaker 4: with it and just try what they have. But you know,

517
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Speaker 4: they're certainly going to look around. But it's definitely a

518
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Speaker 4: scenario where they're just throwing stuff against the wall and

519
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Speaker 4: having to do a lot of you know, a lot

520
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Speaker 4: of improvation improvisation on the fly. They're pretty good at that,

521
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Speaker 4: but a lot is being asked of the guys that

522
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Speaker 4: they have.

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Speaker 1: Where do they stand? You know, the rookie Cam Jones

524
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Speaker 1: out of Marquette, who I know has been hurt, right,

525
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Speaker 1: and so my apologies for asking for clarification on this

526
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Speaker 1: in terms because normally with a pick like that, you know,

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Speaker 1: you say to yourself, Okay, this isn't a guy that

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Speaker 1: they're going to lean on right away.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: But even though I think they liked his maturity, he's

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Speaker 1: twenty three years old, but this would be an oppertate tunity,

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Speaker 1: one would think in the back court for him to

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Speaker 1: get minutes. But he also has been hurt. Where do

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Speaker 1: we stand there?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they said, they said, ask on TJ. McConnell in

536
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Speaker 4: the same timeline around November ninth. I guess the stress

537
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Speaker 4: reaction in his back. It's apparently been trouble for him.

538
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Speaker 4: And he said I think Ricarlos said that, uh recently

539
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Speaker 4: when asked about that, he said, this is this is going

540
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Speaker 4: to take some time. It's going to take some time

541
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Speaker 4: for this thing to heal, and that's the only thing

542
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Speaker 4: that's going to make it happen. So, you know, he

543
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Speaker 4: put that along the same timeline. We'll see if he's close,

544
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Speaker 4: uh at that point. But you know, I mean, I

545
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Speaker 4: you know, physically he's just not ready yet. And in

546
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Speaker 4: this case, obviously he would be thrust into a serious

547
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Speaker 4: amount of action. I would still think they would lean

548
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Speaker 4: Shepard first, just because Shepard has the experience of having

549
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Speaker 4: played in a lot of big games, and you know,

550
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Speaker 4: he hasn't had a handle the ball a lot, but

551
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Speaker 4: he's have to do a whole lot of other things,

552
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Speaker 4: including defend the position. So I would think Shepherd would

553
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Speaker 4: still be the guy that they would lean on just

554
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Speaker 4: for that reason. But yeah, I mean, if if he

555
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Speaker 4: were healthy at this point, he would be getting an opportunity.

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Speaker 4: And in the future, if you know, if nev Heart's

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Speaker 4: out for longer than McConnell is and McConnell come back

558
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Speaker 4: and has to start, you know, when he's healthy again.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Jones would be one of those guys, you know,

560
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Speaker 4: when he is eventually healthy, they would have.

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Speaker 1: To look at Dustin. Do you believe that the NBA,

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Speaker 1: with yesterday's news is going to Maybe it already did,

563
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Speaker 1: but are we going to continue to see You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm scrolling social media last night and today, okay, and

565
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Speaker 1: now everyone, I mean everyone is pulling up every video

566
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Speaker 1: they have ever thought of of where a guy missed

567
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Speaker 1: a shot late in a game, or a questionable free

568
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Speaker 1: throw or a weird foul or whatever else. Is this

569
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Speaker 1: going to be a thing moving forward? Do you believe

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Speaker 1: that the NBA has to somehow overcome this pr image

571
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Speaker 1: that people have of it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's hard. I mean, I think you know

573
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Speaker 4: the nature of the game. I mean, there's just so

574
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 4: there's just so many things that you can jump on me.

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Speaker 4: And I saw in YouTube comments last night people talking

576
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Speaker 4: about how Miles Turner was throwing you know, like must

577
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Speaker 4: have been throwing games because he didn't play well in

578
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 4: the NBA Finals. That's insane. I mean that that's utterly

579
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 4: completely nuts. But I mean this is already a conspirat

580
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 4: conspiracy conspiracy theory thinking driven league, going back to you know,

581
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Speaker 4: the supposedly frozen envelope of Ratrick Ewing and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jordan left because he was suspended, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: Right, right exactly. I mean this people are driven and

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Speaker 4: and you know there's been just you know, not just enough, uh,

585
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 4: but there have certainly been you know, scandals that that

586
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 4: have stand out. You look at that, Okay, look at this.

587
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 4: It's all fixed, and it's not all fixed, but I

588
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 4: mean it's had enough issues. What's come to gambling. Obviously

589
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 4: you had the issues with officials, uh, you know, having

590
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 4: having connections and will when it to come to gambling,

591
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 4: and so it's it's a hyperd driven, hyper competitive league.

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Speaker 3: You know.

593
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Speaker 4: It was so you know, like you had Michael Jordan,

594
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Speaker 4: you know, going back to you know, he spent a

595
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 4: lot of time casino's playing cards. You know, these guys

596
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 4: play a lot of cards that do a lot of

597
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 4: you know, uh sort of interpersonal uh you know, gambling,

598
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 4: and so there there is a you know that this

599
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 4: actually having people that are involved in it, actually having

600
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Speaker 4: people that are doing it. He says that like everybody

601
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 4: is going to think that everything is fake, and they're

602
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 4: not going to be able to overcome it entirely. I

603
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 4: mean that they're they're never going to get rid of

604
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 4: people thinking that some of this is cheating in some ways.

605
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 4: I mean even when you're not talking about gambling, I

606
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 4: mean people talk about you know, are very quick uh

607
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 4: to jump on any team that starts to lose and

608
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 4: saying what they're taking. You know, they're they're losing games

609
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 4: on purpose. And that's not for gambling reasons, that's for

610
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Speaker 4: draft pick reasons. And so uh, it's going to be

611
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Speaker 4: very hard for them to overcome. I mean, this is

612
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Speaker 4: this is going to be a significant uh you know

613
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Speaker 4: black Eye, you know, for the league, you know. I mean,

614
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Speaker 4: you've got to hope that it doesn't go a lot

615
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 4: further and a lot deeper in terms of other o

616
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Speaker 4: the names coming up. If it's just limited to these

617
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 4: guys that you know, it's Damon Jones, Johnson Phillips and

618
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 4: Terry Rogier and obviously John tay Porter, then they'll come

619
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Speaker 4: out of it okay. But I mean if names keep

620
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 4: coming up, if if there's other connections to this thing,

621
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Speaker 4: then it gets worse. But uh, you know, for a while,

622
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 4: they're absolutely fans are absolutely going to go find every

623
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Speaker 4: bad stretch of play and suggest that it's purposeful and

624
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 4: and there. It is going to be hard for them

625
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 4: to overcome. And you know they're going to have to

626
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 4: be creative and coming up with solutions to at least

627
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 4: try to do it in remedies, uh and and whatnot.

628
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 4: But yeah, no, Mandy, it definitely does not play well

629
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Speaker 4: for it for a leak that already has a lot

630
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Speaker 4: of fans that view it that way.

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Speaker 1: To start with, what did you think of the way

632
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Speaker 1: the game was officiated last night?

633
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Speaker 4: I mean, it wasn't great, but I mean part of

634
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Speaker 4: it is, you know, I don't think I think they made.

635
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Speaker 4: They made, they made two bad calls of the timeouts.

636
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Speaker 4: I would say that, you know, I think it was

637
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Speaker 4: interesting how you know Mark Daniel got the benefit of

638
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 4: the doubt, you know, before the Obi Top and steel

639
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 4: and if you you know, break it down frame by frame. Now,

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's fair to expect the unofficial

641
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Speaker 4: to call it this way, but I mean, I think

642
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Speaker 4: Daniel gets the word time out of his mouth. I

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Speaker 4: think before home run lets the ball go, but he

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Speaker 4: doesn't say out until Obi Topping has it in his hands,

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Speaker 4: and so you know, they end up giving him the

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Speaker 4: benefit of the doubt there. But you clearly see Rick Carlisle,

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Speaker 4: you know, call time out to try to get a

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Speaker 4: review on the play at the end of the half

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Speaker 4: that Aaron Nieman saying, hey, you know, I tipped this

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Speaker 4: ball off of Barnheiser. It's going to be out of bounds,

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Speaker 4: it's going to go to us and you lose a

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Speaker 4: possession there. And so those those are two rough calls

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Speaker 4: that I think at least got partially wrong. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I don't I doubt that it's I haven't looked at this,

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Speaker 4: but I doubt that it's down to this precise detail

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Speaker 4: as far as you know, calling time out. But Daniel

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Speaker 4: just I mean, I don't think he had the word

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Speaker 4: entirely out before uh. You know, the pass is made

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Speaker 4: and so you know that that's a rough deal. As

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Speaker 4: far as all the fouls are concerned. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm certainly not skilled enough to go back and say

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Speaker 4: what all deserves to be and what doesn't it doesn't

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Speaker 4: deserve to be. But chick goes. Alexander just puts pressure

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Speaker 4: on the officials. That's what he does. That's how he plays.

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Speaker 4: He goes and draws contact and dares you not to

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Speaker 4: call it. And you know some of those are fouls,

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Speaker 4: some of them probably aren't. But you're gonna have to

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Speaker 4: go through every one of those, and the the last

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Speaker 4: two minute, you know, uh, report is going to be,

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Speaker 4: you know, very very interesting.

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Speaker 1: I would say, okay, I want to mention a couple

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Speaker 1: of players real quick and give me your quick synopsis

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Speaker 1: of their play. You ready. Jars Walker, Yeah, got better

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Speaker 1: over the courses of the game.

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Speaker 4: It certainly was when he was in a position to

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Speaker 4: have to do stuff. I thought it was really good

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Speaker 4: hit some really big shots. Took him a while to

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Speaker 4: get in there. You know, made some mistakes and he's

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Speaker 4: still in a position where he is making mistakes on

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Speaker 4: both sides before but I saw his ability to create

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Speaker 4: off the bounce and get shots and hit you know,

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Speaker 4: kind of jumpers over guys was really impressive. That it

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Speaker 4: would be really helpful. Is they dig deeper into into

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Speaker 4: their death and ask a lot of guys who haven't

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Speaker 4: had to score much to do.

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Speaker 1: So Isaiah Jackson, that will be great at all.

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Speaker 4: I mean obviously about trouble was a problem. Was it

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Speaker 4: has been a problem, and he's had a year that

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Speaker 4: he hasn't had a chance to work on it. And

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Speaker 4: I think he was getting better in that regard, you know,

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Speaker 4: basically before the injury and I think towards the end

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Speaker 4: of the twenty three twenty four season. But you know,

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Speaker 4: eight and a half minutes for your starting center is

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Speaker 4: not good.

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Speaker 1: Okay in that amount of time, Dustin, are we able?

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Speaker 1: Did you get any glens so or any idea whatsoever

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Speaker 1: whether or not coming off of the injury that and everybody,

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Speaker 1: everybody is different. I get that, but he had the achilles,

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Speaker 1: he's back from it. Did you get enough time to

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Speaker 1: assess in any way, shape or form, whether or not

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Speaker 1: the elevation that made him unique is even close to there,

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Speaker 1: or just the overall quickness.

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Speaker 3: It hasn't.

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Speaker 4: I haven't noticed it yet. I mean, obviously he played

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Speaker 4: preseason as well, so when I've got to see you know,

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Speaker 4: five games plus fan Jam, you know, you haven't seen

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Speaker 4: a lot of his situations where he's been able to

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Speaker 4: really get out and run. I think there was one

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Speaker 4: play I think in Fan Jam where I think he

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Speaker 4: took off from a step inside the free throw line.

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Speaker 4: Like the lack of explosiveness doesn't stand out to me.

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Speaker 4: The other part is he gained a significant amount of

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Speaker 4: weight to make amount of muscle, which I think he

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Speaker 4: had to, and ultimately ends up being pretty good because

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Speaker 4: he admitted getting really heavy and then you know, problematically

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Speaker 4: heavy and then melting it off. So I think he

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Speaker 4: looks good physically. It's not physical issues. It's just barely

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Speaker 4: able to play because he keeps getting called for for

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Speaker 4: moving screens and other fouls.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Jay Huff.

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Speaker 4: A, man, I'm just trying to even remember Ja Huff playing.

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Speaker 4: You know, you still you see some shooting touch there,

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Speaker 4: you know, some ability to get physical. But I mean

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Speaker 4: I feel like I didn't come up with much of

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Speaker 4: impression one way or the other.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think he was physical enough defensively. Offensively, I

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Speaker 1: get it, and maybe that's why you have him, But

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Speaker 1: I thought defensively he struggled.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, nothing stood out as particularly positive for me

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Speaker 4: from Jay huffs there. I don't want to kill him

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Speaker 4: because I don't think I've watched it close enough. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: I just didn't yet. I haven't seen the level of physicality,

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Speaker 4: and that's that's been an issue. He's always been a

734
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Speaker 4: skinny guy and he still, you know, is, even though

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Speaker 4: he's much bigger than he used to be. And yeah,

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Speaker 4: just holding his ground against guys not the best.

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Speaker 1: Of that, Dustin. Appreciate the time as always. Going to

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Speaker 1: be an interesting season, no question about that. We will see,

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned what happens. Just in terms of the

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Speaker 1: report on the officiating late in the game last night,

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Speaker 1: that timeout is certainly one of them that will be discussed.

742
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Speaker 1: Appreciate the time as always.

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Speaker 4: Dustin, absolutely, Thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: A couple of comments from folks on the officiating. I'll

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Speaker 1: get to that next Again, you can always text the

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Speaker 1: show two nine ten seventy. You can text me personally

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Speaker 1: as well at five two three ninety two eighty eight.

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Speaker 1: We will come back. We will get into that thoughts

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Speaker 1: on last night, and then back into the colts as well.

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Speaker 1: So the text line is two three nine ten seventy

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Speaker 1: two three nine one zero seven zero. I was talking

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Speaker 1: earlier about Shake Guilders Alexander, the fouls called last night,

753
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Speaker 1: This from Jr. Shake Guilders Alexander got superstar treatment. Half

754
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: of the fouls were not fouls. Again, I get it,

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Speaker 1: and there is no doubt about the fact that elite

756
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: players in the NBA seemingly get away with more. I

757
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Speaker 1: get it. And then there becomes you know, and perceptions

758
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: can become reality, and the perception becomes gosh, you know,

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Speaker 1: this guy's getting superstar treatment because he's a superstar, and

760
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: we get tired of seeing the same players. I'm going

761
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Speaker 1: to get all of it, and so I think you

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Speaker 1: have a preconceived notion going in again, though, I do

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Speaker 1: think last night that many of the fouls that were called,

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Speaker 1: I mean the majority of fouls called on Shay guilt

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00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: in quick time, in real time. They you say to yourself,

766
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: there's no way that's a foul. Then you look at

767
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: it and you're like, you know what, Yeah, I mean

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00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: there's a lot of body contact, and as I was

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Speaker 1: mentioning earlier, a huge part of that is Gilgess. Alexander

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Speaker 1: uses the mid range game, which is a lost art. Hey, Jake,

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Speaker 1: how can you say that nobody ever shoots a mid

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Speaker 1: range shot? So much of that is foreign and nobody

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Speaker 1: knows how to defend it. Shake Gildess. Alexander is not

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Speaker 1: some unicorn that has created an indefensible shot. He has

775
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Speaker 1: just learned how to create a contact while shooting a

776
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Speaker 1: mid range shot and gets a foul call in every

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Speaker 1: other shot. Plenty of guys still shoot midrange. Saying the

778
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: NBA is just dunks and threes is lazy. You must

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00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: only watch the Pacers. I mean, I do watch every

780
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Speaker 1: other team when they come in here, and I get it.

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Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is, in terms of being effective

782
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Speaker 1: in the mid range and hitting from the mid range,

783
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Speaker 1: his ability to stop and pull up throws people off

784
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Speaker 1: because they are used to guys either driving all the

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Speaker 1: way in. I mean, yeah, sure, people run sets where

786
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Speaker 1: you get somebody an open spot, But in terms of

787
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Speaker 1: the ability to drive and then stop at the pacing

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Speaker 1: in which he does for a mid range pull up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I will stand by the fact that that makes him

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Speaker 1: a unique player.

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Speaker 2: There's a reason why I like Shake hilges Out, Lexander,

792
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Speaker 2: James Hard and Luca Doncins are some of the top

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Speaker 2: players in the NBA every year as of the last

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Speaker 2: five years, and fruit throws attempted just because of their

795
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Speaker 2: ability to understand tempo and use it to their advantage.

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Speaker 2: They get guys in different positions and positions they don't

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Speaker 2: want to be in defensively because of the moves they make,

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Speaker 2: and they've got a counter for everything that you present

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Speaker 2: them defensively, Like Shake gildes As, Alexander led the league

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Speaker 2: in free throws last year because he led the league

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Speaker 2: in drives. Like that's how you get to the foul line.

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Speaker 2: You don't get to the foul line by passing the

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Speaker 2: ball around taking threes. You get to the foul line

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Speaker 2: by attacking the basket. And that's what he does.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Jake, I've been tuned in since twelve ten Pacers Pacers, Pacers.

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Speaker 1: We did mention the colts. I mentioned the fact that

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Speaker 1: Taekwon Lewis did not practice. I mentioned the fact that

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Speaker 1: Samson Ebcom has yet to practice. This week as well,

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Speaker 1: we mentioned the fact that Josh Downs is in the

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Speaker 1: protocol but back from practice. So yes, we have discussed

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Speaker 1: other things as well, and we're going to do so.

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Speaker 1: Coming up to the other side. How about this one, Eddie,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this is your buddy, Alec. The

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Speaker 1: people want more, Eddie Garrison. Oh really that means they

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Speaker 1: want less than me is.

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Speaker 2: Let me see? Is this on the is this on

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Speaker 2: the text line?

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Speaker 1: It is?

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Speaker 2: Okay at two seventy. I mean, let me figure yuh,

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Speaker 2: let me see if mister moms burn I don't know.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm about to check and see if it's

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Speaker 2: my mom my dad? Are my only friend, Alec, although

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Speaker 2: we did learn I do have another friend that's a

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Speaker 2: degenerate earlier this week he do okay, let's ohe it's

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Speaker 2: a first time texter.

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Speaker 1: Now, yesterday I did get a message from my stock

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Speaker 1: control Eddie what not not you Eddie, A different Eddie

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Speaker 1: Eddie White, not that Eddie either, who said and this

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Speaker 1: is the kind of stuff that I get it right,

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Speaker 1: I understand it. People are gonna hate me for it.

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Speaker 1: I get it. But for whatever reason, this is Eddie

832
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Speaker 1: who was constantly going on saying that I and I

833
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Speaker 1: always get a kick out of this that I have

834
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Speaker 1: failed because I hate Indianapolis and I'm always negative about Indianapolis.

835
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Speaker 1: Because I mentioned that I did not like the Colts

836
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Speaker 1: when I was a kid, because the Colts didn't move

837
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Speaker 1: here until I was in sixth grade. I've gone over

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Speaker 1: all that. But Eddie says, gee, has somebody sent Jake

839
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Speaker 1: Danny dimes custom hometown, who's your hero Colts Jersey? Maybe

840
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: they should throw an IMS patch on it for him?

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Speaker 1: And I told I applied to Eddie by simply saying, look,

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Speaker 1: don't hate me, just because all I would have to

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Speaker 1: do is ask for it, and somebody would probably do

844
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Speaker 1: it for me. You know what I mean, Like, don't

845
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Speaker 1: hate me, I mean, don't let your envy lead to

846
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: that kind of obsession. It's ugly. People don't like that.

847
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: We will come back and get you, in fact, back

848
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Speaker 1: into the Colts and what And yes, we talked a

849
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: lot of pacers there for the first hour. But I

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Speaker 1: got news for you. If the Colts had gone to

851
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Speaker 1: the super Bowl and lost the Super Bowl and their

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00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: best player got hurt halfway through the super Bowl, and

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Speaker 1: then they opened up the next year with the season

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Speaker 1: oper against the NFC team, but they lost the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl too. We'd probably talk a fair amount about it

856
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: the next day, but we will get back into the

857
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: Colts and Alex Cord joins us next. Every year in

858
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: college football, you hear the complaints, You hear the rumblings

859
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: for some of the bigger SEC schools because in Kurt

860
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: Signetti had made a point at the beginning of the

861
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: year where he was like, look, we're going to take

862
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: more of the SEC scheduling model because you get enough

863
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: if you're a Big ten team, you get enough challenge

864
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 1: over the course of the Big Ten season that there's

865
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: what's the purpose in scheduling before the Big Ten starts

866
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: and going out and saying like we're gonna go play

867
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 1: Iowa State. Well, yeah, because you want a quality win,

868
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: but you've got a chance to get like you know,

869
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: every game within the conference provides that, right, and so

870
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: the the SEC the way that they do it. It's

871
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: interesting because Alabama every year you hear like, in mid November,

872
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: we're probably a month away.

873
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: From having this happen, especially in the Nick Saban.

874
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: Era, where yeah, Alabama all of a sudden takes a

875
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: break one weekend and you're like, why, how why is

876
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: Alabama playing Fordham? Why is Alabama playing Kennesaw State in

877
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: the middle of the SEC schedule. Yeah, and it does

878
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: feel Eddie and I were just talking about it in

879
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 1: the break. I totally understand that people are like, hey,

880
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 1: you know, it's the the cold season and they're getting

881
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: ready to play on Sunday and it's a Friday. But

882
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: it does feel kind of like this game with Tennessee

883
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: is Is that right, Eddie?

884
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly does. I mean you're favored by two touchdowns,

885
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: like the second biggest spread of any game this season

886
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 2: in the NFL, and like there's just nothing you can

887
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: look at and be like, yeah, I mean, you know,

888
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: the Colt's got to prepare for this, man, Like this

889
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: is an area where you know, Tennessee's really good and

890
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: they could, you know, create troubles for the Colt. Like

891
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like that. You feel like if you

892
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 2: look at the matchup on paper, quarterback, running back, online,

893
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 2: d lane, like the secondary maybe, but like that's the

894
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: You look at the pass catchers for Tennessee, You're like, well,

895
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about any of those guys. Yeah, cults

896
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: have the advantage and.

897
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: From an injury standpoint in monitoring, you know, Taekwon Lewis,

898
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: you know, we're interested to see what happens there. Right Ebiccom,

899
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: We're interested to see what happens there. And Josh Downs.

900
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: Those are the big ones, but you almost feel like

901
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: you could get away with another week without them, if

902
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 1: that makes sense.

903
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 3: Right.

904
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 2: By the way, my mom is listening. She said it

905
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: wasn't me, So it's good to know my mom is

906
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: listening today.

907
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: So people want more, the people, the masses want more

908
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: of Eddie And it wasn't Alec either. Kevin Bone, I'm

909
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: going to join us two o'clock hour. We will get

910
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: much more into the colts. Obviously, yesterday we were talking

911
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 1: and you know, occasionally folks the I'll see something where

912
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: I just say to myself, this is a story I

913
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: think that we need to talk more about. This is

914
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: a story that needs to be shared, especially when we

915
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: can height into sports. And I was talking yesterday. You know,

916
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: we had Ralph Refahm. We were talking about low top

917
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: basketball shoes and a friend of mine who was the

918
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: team podiatrist for the University of Evansville Athletics in the

919
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: mid nineties and is a diehard Purdue fan. Texted me

920
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: and said, look, if you're talking peddietry, you're talking about ankles,

921
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: you need somebody. You're talking about low top basketball shoes,

922
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 1: you need somebody that's worked and college basketball, worked around

923
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: different teams. And you know what, You're right, Alex p.

924
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: Dietary might be the most sophisticated word you've ever used. Jake, Well,

925
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 2: I'm I'm a sophisticated individual. What can I say?

926
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: Since when is that a revelation of night? Every once

927
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: in a while I will use the word serendipitous.

928
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: Wait is it because of your fundsy luggage bog that

929
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 2: you've gone?

930
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: That's right? I am a listen, I am sophistication through

931
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: and through right, and wait till I get my Danny

932
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: Dimes custom ade jersey with the IMS patch apparently, but

933
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: joining us now on the Java house peel and poor

934
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,479
Speaker 1: guest line. As I had mentioned, he is actually back

935
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: in his old stomping grounds. And if you stop too

936
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: hard and you have a foot problem, like athletes might

937
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: have been. The University of Evansville in the mid nineties,

938
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: Alex Corr was the guy that took care of him

939
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: or her or whatever athlete it might be for the ass,

940
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: but he joins us on the show. Now, how are you, Alex?

941
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 5: I'm good, Jake. You know one thing that's no business

942
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 5: like tow business.

943
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: Which just kept you afloat for years. Right now, Alex,

944
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: you've used that line before, be honest, right.

945
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 5: Now, a couple of times here and there over the years.

946
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: Sure, Hey, I want to get into this. First off,

947
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: you know tomorrow, if I'm not mistaken, is your dad's

948
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: one hundredth birthday? Did I am? I correct in that fact.

949
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 5: We are celebrating tomorrow. But as we speak, Jake, today

950
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 5: is one hundred years to the day that my dad

951
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 5: was born in Riga, Latvia, and so we're having a celebration.

952
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 5: I'm speaking in evansal at the Evansville Wartime Museum, but

953
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 5: it actually is today.

954
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: Okay, So happy birthday to Mickey Corre. Correct.

955
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 5: That's a correct statement. Yes, ok I appreciate that. It's

956
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 5: very kind.

957
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: So Alex, here's the thing, and I want to get

958
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: to this. And many may say, Okay, so we're celebrating

959
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: Mickey Corre's one hundredth birthday because of this fact that

960
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: Mickey Corr ends up living in Terre Haute, and in

961
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 1: terre Haute actually at a young age, as a young boy,

962
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: had a gym teacher or a coach or in some capacity,

963
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: crossed paths with John Wooden and then himself became a

964
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: diehard Purdue fan, which is a respet back for the

965
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: basketball program that you carried today in your dad's honor.

966
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,959
Speaker 5: Correct, absolutely correct, Jake, for sure.

967
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: How did your dad end up in Ta Hate, Indiana,

968
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: from where he was born.

969
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 5: He was on a death march outside of Booken Walk

970
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 5: concentration camp, reliberated after a death march running into a

971
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 5: hole by two American gis. The leader of this battalion

972
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 5: was Lieutenant Lieutenant Colonel Andrew Nef from Tarot, Indiana. Long

973
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 5: story short, Jake, My father after the war wrote letters

974
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 5: to mister Neff. Mister Neff was now back in Indiana,

975
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 5: and mister Neff made it very easy for my dad

976
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 5: to go from Germany to Terre Hate. My dad's finished

977
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 5: high school and you know in Riga, everybody was playing

978
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 5: soccer in the forties, my dad, you know, there was

979
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 5: nobody playing soccer in Tarot, Indiana, and so my dad's

980
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 5: freshman year at Indiana State Teachers College, which is now

981
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 5: Indiana State University. He took the gym class and was

982
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 5: very excited because he wanted to learn how to play basketball,

983
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 5: and he heard that the gym teacher was the basketball coach.

984
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 5: And to your point, that gym teacher was none other

985
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 5: than coach John Wooden.

986
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: Okay, so your dad goes on and you know, obviously

987
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: follows the career of John wood and John Wooden had

988
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 1: been a great player at Purdue, and I would imagine

989
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: that that aspect of it was the reason why your

990
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: dad probably started to gravitate towards Purdue. But you I

991
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: know also that Butler basketball, perdue basketball. You've kind of

992
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: been involved, Alex with college basketball, not just in the

993
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: state of Indiana, but different teams around the country over

994
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 1: the years.

995
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 5: Correct, that's correct. Yeah, started with Evansville. But even as

996
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 5: a little boy, I would sit in my dad's lap

997
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 5: watching UCLA and my dad would say, that's my gym teacher.

998
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 5: And then Coach wood started on his letters. Dear Mickey,

999
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 5: I hope you're having a good fall. We're starting our

1000
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 5: basketball season. I have a new player's name is Leuel Senor.

1001
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 5: I hope he gets to be a pretty good player.

1002
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say that worked out right, Yeah.

1003
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 5: Kind of kind of kind of worked out pretty well, Alex.

1004
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: Course, over the years, go ahead.

1005
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 5: Sorry, over the years, the Davidson basketball team went with

1006
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 5: my mom and I to Auschwitz, So I'm as you know,

1007
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 5: you had Matt McKillop on a couple of years ago,

1008
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 5: but the mckillops are close friends. And then Jim Cruz,

1009
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 5: who was the Evansville coach when I was down at Evansville.

1010
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 5: He was the head coach at West Point and one

1011
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 5: of Bob mckillch's former assistants who was an assistant at Butler,

1012
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 5: Kevin Kowick is now the Army head coach. So yeah,

1013
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 5: between Evansville, Butler, Purdue, Davidson, and Army, I have a

1014
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 5: great love of basketball and a great interest in many

1015
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 5: of these teams.

1016
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: And Alex, here's here's why I wanted to have you on,

1017
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: because you know, it's basketball season. I know what bats

1018
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: means to you, and you know to people in this area, right,

1019
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you know the Cults are. It goes

1020
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 1: without saying we're in the middle of Cults season as well,

1021
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: but I think that any season is an important season

1022
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: to reflect on the message that you carry. And your

1023
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: father turns one hundred today. Your mother, Evicor was herself

1024
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: a Holocaust survivor, and you have gone back each and

1025
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: every year to Aschwitz. Your mother Evicor, who there's a

1026
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: mural of her painted in downtown Indianapolis, has her own

1027
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: museum in Terre Haute as well. And the work that

1028
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:40,959
Speaker 1: has been done for years by your parents, notably your mother,

1029
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: in terms of the understanding and the importance of forgiveness

1030
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: and perseverance, and for you now posthumously carrying on the

1031
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: word of your parents. I guess the question I would

1032
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: have is a lot of people would say my parents'

1033
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: work speaks for itself and would not themselves then carry

1034
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: on in speaking it. Why is it so important to you?

1035
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 5: Well, that's very kind of you.

1036
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1037
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 5: In short, my mom died very suddenly during one of

1038
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 5: our trips to Auschwitz. I never had the opportunity to

1039
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 5: ask my mom what my role should be. So I

1040
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 5: always think back to two days before she died in

1041
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 5: our hotel room, I ass I said, Mom, aren't you

1042
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 5: getting a little old? You're eighty five years old. You know,

1043
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 5: maybe you need to slow down a little bit. She

1044
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 5: looked at me and she said, Alex, what are you crazy?

1045
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 5: There's so much hate and bigotry and racism and anti

1046
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 5: anti semitism in the world. How can I stop? That

1047
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 5: was twenty nineteen, and so those thoughts and that memory

1048
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 5: is really what is the driving force for me to

1049
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 5: do what I'm doing now. As you know, along with

1050
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 5: my co author Graham Honiker, we have a book and

1051
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 5: blessing not a burden, and so I hope that I

1052
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 5: can continue to tell my parents' story. My father had

1053
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 5: a slow decline and just real short, you know, I

1054
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 5: told my dad I wanted to write a book about

1055
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 5: his story, and he said, oh, Alex, nobody'll buy the book,

1056
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 5: but you would do that for me. I said yeah,

1057
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 5: he said wow, And so I wanted to keep that promise.

1058
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 5: And you know, over a year ago the book came out.

1059
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 5: And you're very kind to say these nice things, But

1060
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 5: you know, I think the big thing is as a

1061
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 5: friend of mine has an organization on the East Coast,

1062
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 5: her motto is remember the past to protect the future.

1063
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 5: And regardless of your political affiliate affiliation, I think it's

1064
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 5: so important to remember these terrible things that happened so

1065
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 5: maybe we can prevent these things from happening in the future.

1066
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 5: But thank you so much for giving me this opportunity.

1067
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: And Alex, so you're going to be speaking obviously, as

1068
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: we had mentioned, tomorrow at ten thirty. It is a

1069
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: free event at the Evansville Wartime Museum. And I would

1070
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: assume that the message that you'll be speaking tomorrow is

1071
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 1: essentially what we're going over here right now. Correct.

1072
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 5: Absolutely, And I tell my dad's story, and I tell

1073
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 5: the story about mister Neff and but one real quick story,

1074
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 5: but when my dad was a liberal by the two

1075
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 5: American gis, he had lights all over him, his clothes

1076
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 5: were in shambles, and they gave him a Coca Cola.

1077
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 5: My dad always thought Coca Cola was a champagne. So

1078
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 5: I think we'll be toasting a cocer two tomorrow.

1079
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: That's beautiful today, toast one today in honor of your

1080
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: dad's birthday.

1081
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 5: Right, absolutely, Alex.

1082
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: When you go and I see you at you know,

1083
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: Pacer games, I've seen you know, I know that you're

1084
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: an avid Purdue fan. And as I mentioned Butler, you know,

1085
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: we just mentioned your connection to so many different college

1086
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: basketball programs. But when you when you go to a

1087
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: sporting event and you look around and maybe you even

1088
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: think of the passion that your dad had for sports.

1089
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: And I don't know if your mom was a sports fan.

1090
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: But the one thing about sports, and the one thing

1091
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: that I hope example for this show, is that it

1092
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: is one forum that allows people that may have the

1093
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: biggest of differences to find common bond, to find common ground.

1094
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: And I've always said nothing unifies the masses like sports.

1095
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: Two people that may otherwise be full of hatred towards

1096
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: one another can find this euphoria in a big shot

1097
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: that happens for the team they both root for, and

1098
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden they're high fiving one another

1099
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: and they find that there is a common link between them.

1100
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: Do you observe that? Are you aware of it? In

1101
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: knowing your parents' lessons and then going to games and

1102
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: seeing those sorts of things.

1103
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I mean, my parents, you know, had hope, healing, perseverance, forgiveness.

1104
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 5: But when it comes down to we're all part of

1105
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 5: the same race, the human race. And you know, regardless

1106
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 5: of somebody's background, whether they're from you know, the East coast,

1107
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 5: West coast, inner city, from foreign lands, basketball and sports

1108
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 5: in general can really unify people. Just brings to mind

1109
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 5: Josh Shurtz, who's a Jewish basketball coach now Saint Louis.

1110
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 5: He had an assistance several years ago there was a

1111
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 5: Palst Indian heritage, and he wrote a very interesting article

1112
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 5: a year or so ago. But really he didn't even

1113
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 5: know the guy. He was a friend of his. And

1114
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 5: so the common bond of sports and basketball I think

1115
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 5: can overcome so much adversity and so much hatred in

1116
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 5: our life that I think more and more people should

1117
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 5: should go to basketball games, go to sporting events, and

1118
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 5: hopefully these differences will become less and less of an

1119
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 5: issue as we move forward.

1120
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: Alex, what did your mother teach you about forgiveness?

1121
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 5: That's a tough question. She taught me that forgiveness is

1122
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 5: something that you, me, and Eddie everybody on your show

1123
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 5: should practice. You know, when little kids learn reading and writing,

1124
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 5: arithmetic in third and fourth grade, my mom would say

1125
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 5: they need to learn the skill of forgiveness because at

1126
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 5: some point in their life they're going to have to

1127
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 5: forgive a coworker or an old girlfriend, an ex wife.

1128
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 5: And too many people want to get revenge rather than

1129
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 5: forgive and you know, it took my mom fifty years

1130
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 5: to forgive. Didn't happen overnight. And so with what's going

1131
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 5: on in the world now, you know, I think that

1132
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 5: people all to often say, well, why can't you just

1133
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 5: forgive somebody? It's a process, But I think that process

1134
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 5: needs to be taught at a young age so that

1135
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 5: people can develop skills so they know how when they're

1136
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 5: confronted with a terrible situation, how they can hopefully work

1137
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 5: through it. And if forgiveness is an option, perhaps.

1138
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: Consider that Alex core is my guest. He's on the

1139
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: Java House Peel and Poor guest line, the son of

1140
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: Mickey Kore and evacor both of them survivors of the Holocaust.

1141
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: Evacorp of course, became a staple here in Central Indiana

1142
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: and around the world as the face of perseverance. And

1143
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: then most importantly, as we're talking about forgiveness, Alex, it's

1144
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: one thing to forgive your buddy that stiffed you on

1145
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: a bet, or it's one thing to forgive an ex

1146
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: girlfriend that jailted you when you were a kid. But

1147
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: to be somebody who has a child and as a

1148
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: twin went through the Holocaust who saw what took place

1149
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: at Auschwitz and the atrocities arguably the worst in the

1150
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: history of the world. Did your mom ever give indication

1151
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: to you as to how it came to be or

1152
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: the strength from within that allowed her to eventually get

1153
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: to that point after fifty years.

1154
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 5: She was suffering a lot, and she was. You know,

1155
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 5: somebody has told me she's probably the most unforgiving, forgiving person.

1156
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 5: Her twin died in nineteen ninety three, nineteen eighty six.

1157
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 5: She was arrest in the capital rotunda. A lot of

1158
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 5: bad things happened along the way, and I tell people,

1159
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 5: you know, she had to get to the bottom to

1160
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,919
Speaker 5: kind of pull herself off off the mat and kind

1161
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 5: of have new focus, and her path a forgiveness was

1162
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 5: very ironic. There was a after two months after my

1163
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 5: aunt died, my mom gets a strange phone call says, Eva,

1164
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 5: I'm sorry to hear about your sister, but maybe you

1165
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 5: want to start lecturing again. We're having the medical ethics

1166
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 5: meeting in Boston, and my mom said, sure, I loved

1167
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 5: the lecture to doctors. You know, they think they know everything.

1168
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 5: I'd like to put the good doctors in her place.

1169
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 5: And then this person said, even maybe you could bring

1170
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 5: with you one of those Nazi doctors. And my mom said,

1171
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 5: and the guy's name was doctor Mahalchik, who I just

1172
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 5: had lunch with last week in Boston. She said, doctor Mahalchick.

1173
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 5: I'm not sure where I could find one of those guys.

1174
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 5: The last time I looked, they were not advertising in

1175
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 5: the Yellow Pages. Verbet, that's what my mom said. She

1176
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 5: had a sense of humor, and he said, well, you'll

1177
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 5: think of something. And the last project that my mom

1178
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 5: and my aunt worked on was for a German TV

1179
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 5: network and when the final product of the documentary came out,

1180
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 5: there was a Nazi doctor who was cleared of all charges.

1181
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 5: My mom said, well, maybe he'll he would help us,

1182
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 5: and maybe he'll come to the meeting. Well, the response was,

1183
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 5: he's not coming to the meeting, but he'll give you

1184
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 5: a lecture. You got to go to Germany. And to

1185
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 5: make a long story short, Jake, my mom met him

1186
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 5: and thought, you know, he was telling given an account

1187
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 5: of what happened at Auschwitz. And he said, I have

1188
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 5: nightmares too. My mom said, I thought we were the

1189
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 5: ones with the nightmares. Why do you have nightmares? He

1190
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 5: had helped free twenty some Jewish doctors, and he said, well,

1191
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 5: the reason I have nightmares is periodically I had to

1192
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 5: stand outside the gas chamber when the last body stopped moving,

1193
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 5: I signed one death certificate. And my mom said, you know,

1194
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 5: for all the people that say the Holocaust didn't occur,

1195
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 5: and this was nineteen ninety three, would you come with

1196
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 5: us to Auschwitz in nineteen ninety five for the fifties

1197
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 5: Anniversal Liberation of Auschwitz to tell the world where you

1198
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 5: just told me about your experiences. He said yes. My

1199
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 5: mom came back to Indiana and told me she needs

1200
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 5: to think a Nazi doctor. How can you think a

1201
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 5: Nazi doctor? I said, I have no idea, because he

1202
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 5: was going to document history. And my mom literally went

1203
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 5: to the Hallmark card shop at Metal Shopping Center in

1204
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 5: Taro looking for two and a half hours for a

1205
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 5: thank you card. Nothing seemed appropriate, and then, over many

1206
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 5: many months before ninety five, finally figured it out in

1207
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 5: her name only the best way she could thank somebody,

1208
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 5: The best gift she could give was to forgive him

1209
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 5: for being a Nazi. She knew she had given him

1210
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 5: a good and valuable gift. This happened on January twenty seventh,

1211
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety five. She realized over the next several months, Jake,

1212
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 5: that she no longer ran this chip on her shoulder.

1213
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 5: She was no longer afraid of going to Germany. So

1214
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 5: she thought, well, she should forgive her mom, her dad, herself,

1215
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 5: doctor Mangela, and all Nazis and her name only. And

1216
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 5: that last part is always very subject to debate, but

1217
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 5: that's where she started realizing that she had not only

1218
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 5: given doctor Moons a gift, that she had given her

1219
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 5: self gift. So it was a process that Thanks for

1220
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 5: the question.

1221
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: Alex core is my guest. He will be speaking at

1222
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: the University of Evansville, specifically at the Evansville Wartime Museum

1223
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: tomorrow at ten thirty. It is the one hundredth birthday.

1224
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: Everybody should have a coke today, have a co a

1225
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: toast for his father, Mickey cor Last question, Alex, and

1226
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: that is, you were at what age when you know,

1227
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: you're a kid growing up in Tara Hate, you're a

1228
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: sports fan. You're probably captivated by Indiana State and Larry

1229
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: Bird and you know all the things that go with it,

1230
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: and you're playing sports. At what age did you realize

1231
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: or did you truly become aware of what childhood was

1232
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: for your parents and what they had been through.

1233
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 5: Real quick story. I'm seven years old, my sister was five.

1234
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 5: She's next door playing on her neighbors, not a Holocaust survivor,

1235
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 5: and when my mom would do the dishes, we would

1236
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 5: see her Ashwitz number. So after dinner at the neighbor's house,

1237
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 5: my sister is five years old, says missus Baker, how

1238
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 5: come you don't have a number like my mommy does.

1239
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 5: I thought all mommies have numbers. Missus Baker, very smart,

1240
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 5: said well you need to go and ask your mom that.

1241
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 5: So my mom my sister came home next door. Mommy,

1242
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 5: I thought all mothers have a mommyes have numbers. How

1243
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 5: come missus Baker doesn't have one? And my mom? I

1244
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 5: think to most five year old the parent would say, well,

1245
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 5: you're too young. Not my mom, she said, look, Rina,

1246
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 5: your father and I told you and your brother that

1247
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 5: bad people did bad things to us, and one of

1248
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 5: those bad things was they put a number on my arm.

1249
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 5: Oh and missus Baker didn't have those bad things. So

1250
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 5: you know, at a very young age, to answer your question, Jake,

1251
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 5: we were told very age appropriate things quite Frankly, by

1252
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 5: the time I was fourteen fifteen, sixteen, I was more

1253
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 5: concerned about playing basketball and playing tennis. I got bored

1254
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 5: with these stories. I didn't think they were a big

1255
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 5: deal because it was it was all I knew. We'd

1256
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 5: go to Israel in the summer, I'd hear the stories.

1257
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 5: I didn't think it was a big deal. So by

1258
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 5: the time I was a teenager, I knew all these stories.

1259
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: Alex, what's the most important thing somebody can do that

1260
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: plays tennis right now? To make sure that they're not

1261
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: getting planner freesch ITAs.

1262
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 5: Wear shoes that don't bend in the middle, like Crocs

1263
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 5: or the poster child for exactly what not to wear. No,

1264
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 5: nobody's going to wear a Croc when they're FIfF. Shoes matter,

1265
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 5: but the price A better shoe is one that just

1266
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 5: doesn't bend. And I've had people go to, you know,

1267
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 5: inexpensive shoe stores and buy that weren't that expensive, but

1268
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 5: yet they were good shoes. So really, the key is

1269
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 5: to make sure the shoe is not real flexible like

1270
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 5: a croc needs to be stiff. Is best advice?

1271
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 1: Is Purdue, the number one team in the country in

1272
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: college basketball, Jake, I hope.

1273
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 3: So.

1274
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 5: I just texted Matt the other day wish him good luck.

1275
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 5: We'll find out in April, and hopefully, hopefully they cut

1276
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 5: down the nets in downtown to Indianapolis and my dad

1277
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 5: would be cheering from above, because every year now I

1278
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 5: think about my dad, and you know, a few years

1279
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 5: ago when we were in the final four and final

1280
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 5: championship game, I had a lot of a lot of tears,

1281
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 5: a lot of tears.

1282
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, if they do it, you'll probably

1283
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: be there and I won't. But if they at some

1284
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: point it Purdue wins a national title, I'll spray down

1285
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: with a bottle of coke.

1286
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 5: That works, Jake, thanks so much for having me on

1287
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:50,439
Speaker 5: in the pain.

1288
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: Alex, best of luck on your on your speech tomorrow,

1289
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: and happy birthday to Pops.

1290
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,959
Speaker 5: All right, thanks you too, have a great weekend, all.

1291
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:01,959
Speaker 1: Right, Alex Corr joining me on the Java House Peel

1292
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: and poor guest line. I know that that is totally

1293
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: outside the box of what's taking place here within the Colts,

1294
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: But when I saw that Alex was going to be

1295
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: speaking in Evansville, and knowing his mother, Eva Korr, and

1296
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: knowing that story, knowing that it was tomorrow, and knowing

1297
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: that today was his dad's birthday, I wanted to have

1298
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 1: him on. Well, come back, we'll get back into the Colts.

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01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, coming up at two o'clock,

1300
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: Kevin Bowen going to join us. But specifically speaking, are

1301
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 1: there really challenges presented by the Tennessee Titans and if so,

1302
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: what would it be? What's the thing that we need

1303
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: to look for. At four to twenty five on Sunday

1304
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 1: we'll discuss next. Thank you to Alex Corp for his

1305
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: time and for those that have sent me messages that again,

1306
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: I I know that it is our duty and responsibility

1307
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: to you know, stick with x's and o's all the time,

1308
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 1: but there are certain things that I think are really important,

1309
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: and his dad's birthday being the one hundredth birthday today,

1310
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: with what his dad went through to survive the Holocaust,

1311
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: to be liberated from a concentration camp, to be on

1312
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: a death march, and then find your way to Tarahoe,

1313
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 1: Indiana and have not only the marriage to Evacorp, but

1314
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 1: also in giving us Alex, I thought was worth celebrating

1315
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: coltson Titans coming up Sunday for twenty five kick at

1316
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: Lucas Oil Stadium and Eddie, I keep going back to.

1317
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 1: I just don't know. If you were to quiz me

1318
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 1: and say, okay, give me the area of strength for

1319
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans, I don't know what I'd come up with.

1320
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: You know, cam Ward is a dynamic athlete and player.

1321
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 1: He was a great college player, but he has yet

1322
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: for that to translate for the most part. I mean,

1323
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say that he's completing fifty eight percent of

1324
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 1: his passes. He he does have the ability if he

1325
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: gets loose, you know, he can be pretty slippery in

1326
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 1: not chard football an extending plays, but not necessarily in

1327
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: in running the ball. It's not like he's he's you know,

1328
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: he's not Lamar Jackson, right, He's not Steve Young.

1329
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 2: It's like Aaron Yet, like Aaron Rodgers's prime, you know,

1330
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 2: just kind of run around, kind of evade all the pressures.

1331
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: And correct and then find somewhere to go. Right.

1332
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, back coach football. That's how I describe it.

1333
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 1: And Calvin Ridley is a good player, But I just

1334
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 1: don't know outside of that what really jumps out of them.

1335
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:27,640
Speaker 2: We don't even know the status of Calvin Ridley. He

1336
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 2: missed their game last week with a hamstring injury. I

1337
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 2: don't think he's practiced this week, So that means it's

1338
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 2: fellow rookies alec Ayo Manor and Chi Murray d k

1339
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 2: as the primary pass catchers. Of course, you can work

1340
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 2: in chick Asimo Konkuo and TAIJ. Spears, who is back

1341
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 2: for Tennessee. That's the one name offensively that is playing

1342
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 2: now that did not play in the first meeting between

1343
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 2: the Colts and the Titians. He's one of those guys

1344
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 2: who you know, you give six to nine carries a

1345
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 2: game as like of a change of pace back and

1346
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 2: he's more of your pass catching back.

1347
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: And so, yeah, they rank do does Tennessee? They rank

1348
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 1: in the bottom third in defense.

1349
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 2: I'm proud of myself by the way, I didn't mess

1350
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 2: up any of the nunciations.

1351
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 1: All those games. Yeah, that was impressive. I was gonna say,

1352
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 1: can they just can we get a Jim Smith in there?

1353
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: They are dead lamb ward? There you go, there, you

1354
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,759
Speaker 1: can't more. That's right. They are dead last in offense

1355
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: total offense are the Tennessee Titans. They are what like

1356
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 1: twenty eighth in total defense? You know, in terms of

1357
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: if there was an area that you would say, okay, good,

1358
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: you know, special teams. I guess they get plenty of

1359
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 1: opportunity to see what they can do in terms of

1360
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 1: like kickoff coverage. They are in the bottom third as

1361
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 1: well in creating turnovers, and they've already had an undergone

1362
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 1: a coaching change. I just don't know. The bigger focal point,

1363
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:59,719
Speaker 1: I guess is simply on what areas from the Colts

1364
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: do you want to see? What do you want to

1365
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:06,639
Speaker 1: see from the Colts that even needs to be shored

1366
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: up they offensively, the Colts are playing at such a

1367
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 1: high level, you need to just maintain and sustain that.

1368
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: I you know, is it a game where you say, hey,

1369
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: the good news is maybe by the fourth quarter you

1370
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 1: get Riley Leonard out there to see what he has

1371
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, that's that's a real stretch, right And

1372
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:26,640
Speaker 1: I do think that, you know, with Daniel Jones, and

1373
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 1: we've seen precedent of this in this town. When you

1374
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 1: have a quarterback that's playing at the highest of levels,

1375
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: when you have a quarterback that's rolling, when you have

1376
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: a quarterback that is that literally every single button he

1377
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 1: pushes is the right one. Every door handle that he

1378
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 1: grabs is the one that's unlocked. You got to keep

1379
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: just going with that. I'm a big believer in and

1380
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: I realize people think that in game momentum is a myth.

1381
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: You know, there are some people that are like the

1382
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 1: team one team does not have the momentum of an

1383
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: I don't personally viuy lost.

1384
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 2: That's what the kid's calling now, Jake the flow state.

1385
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 2: Remember Aaron Smith educated us on that is that with

1386
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 2: a W or is it just the flo?

1387
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 1: I believe if you have the it's a W.

1388
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,879
Speaker 2: But I thought if there was no O that's referring

1389
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 2: to like the hair he's got flow got you?

1390
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 1: Aeron Ne Smith, by the way, still wearing the same

1391
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 1: shoes from last year? Did you also notice that he's

1392
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 1: grown like a goateee? I did notice that.

1393
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 2: I don't know how I feel.

1394
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 1: I did notice that different look although he had Did

1395
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: he not have a go tea last year?

1396
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

1397
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 1: No. I definitely noticed, but and I also noticed he

1398
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 1: had the little patch on the chin. I think James

1399
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 1: Johnson was there last night. He was sitting with Tyrese's

1400
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 1: lady and his mom, and Tyre's mom not Jans and

1401
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:54,560
Speaker 1: James Johnson was wearing a pair of the Tyrese Haliburton's

1402
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 1: signature shoes now still in the facility from time to time.

1403
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 1: How's that for a leader the enforcer. I So here's

1404
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 1: the thing my viral with that.

1405
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 2: If there's a situation on the court and he goes

1406
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 2: on the court, who handles that?

1407
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 1: NBA security?

1408
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1409
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 2: Does he get he's a fan on the court? As

1410
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 2: I say, is he get banned?

1411
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 1: We have a fan on the court. Is he got

1412
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 1: like to tackle the whole deal?

1413
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 3: Right?

1414
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,759
Speaker 2: Yeah? Imagine trying to tackle James Johnson.

1415
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:29,640
Speaker 1: I the NBA, I didn't realize this. The NBA for

1416
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 1: each game has security detail that then reports back everything

1417
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: that takes place and observations made to the NBA, and

1418
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 1: they have like a list of I mean, I think

1419
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 1: we knew that there are a list of people that

1420
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 1: are not allowed in the arena of their banded whatever,

1421
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 1: But the NBA knows who they are and they have

1422
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 1: a whole protocol they go through.

1423
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 2: That's something I've always been interested in, Like if you

1424
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 2: get banned from an arena, Let's say you get banned

1425
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 2: from I don't know gamebridge fieldous.

1426
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 1: For example, it's taking shake Ad eighty six and Westfield Carwash.

1427
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,759
Speaker 2: And let's say they ban you across all NBA arenas

1428
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 2: and you try to go to you know, Rocky Mortgage

1429
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 2: Arena in Cleveland. How the heck do they know your band?

1430
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 5: Right?

1431
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 1: Well, I did not know this, And the NFL does

1432
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: the same. They have not only their own skull, you know.

1433
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you go to a Colts game, You've got

1434
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 1: you know, Greg Polly and the gang right that are

1435
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 1: there as security, But there is also security that works

1436
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 1: for the National Football League that has to report back

1437
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: to New York and they get reports prior to each

1438
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 1: game of who is banned from that game and who

1439
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:43,440
Speaker 1: is banned from that arena. And I'm would assume photos

1440
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: of the people, and if it's somebody that's been bad,

1441
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 1: I would imagine eventually you just get used to seeing

1442
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 1: the same guy on the sheet or gall on the

1443
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 1: sheet every game because you know that they're banned. But

1444
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 1: I tend to agree with you, I mean, what would

1445
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 1: you have to do to get banned from every arena?

1446
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 2: Oh boy, that's a creakle question.

1447
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 1: I mean, other than like a terrible thing. But I'm saying, like,

1448
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 1: if you're just like some drunken idiot fan in a game.

1449
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 1: What do you have to do to get strip? Is

1450
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 1: that everreaking streaking I would think would behind on the list.

1451
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 1: You don't see that as much anymore. Unfortunately, you don't

1452
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,600
Speaker 1: see it was always exciting when I'm not saying I

1453
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: wanted to see naked, fat guys running around, but it

1454
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: was always exciting when there'd be a streaker with a sign.

1455
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 1: It happened in F one a couple of years ago

1456
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 1: and the guy almost got clipped. Maybe that was the

1457
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 1: reason for the end of that. You don't see MORGANA

1458
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 1: the Kissing Bandit. We need a and I know MORGANA.

1459
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if Morgana's still alive, but we need

1460
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 1: a twenty twenty five MORGANA Kissing Bandit Part two.

1461
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 2: Pretty sure there was a female that went onto the

1462
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 2: field in the Super Bowl in a singlet.

1463
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 1: Now was it the kind of female that you would

1464
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 1: want to see in a singlet? I believe so a

1465
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 1: lot of times. Unfortunately that leads to an unfortunate situation too,

1466
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: where you're like, yeah, come on, but MORGANA. You know,

1467
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: back in the day when MORGANA is like it was

1468
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 1: just known when the Kissing bandit came out and Morgan

1469
01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: and believe me, it was very obvious that it was

1470
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: MORGANA and not an imposter. If you know, you know,

1471
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 1: when MORGANA would come out on the field and like

1472
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 1: Steve Garvey or whoever was standing there, it was like

1473
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 1: a badge. It was a badge of like an honor, right, like, hey,

1474
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: I got kissed by MORGANA. It's quite the deal, quite

1475
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 1: the thing. It was all the rage there for a while,

1476
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 1: and then the thrill is gone and all of a

1477
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 1: sudden one day they take the fun out of it.

1478
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 1: And then and then then you get and this does

1479
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 1: happen from time to time. There's always somebody that hops

1480
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 1: out and they got a sign and they're running or

1481
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:31,560
Speaker 1: now it's like I want to get a selfie with

1482
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 1: a second basement. Then you're rooting basically for a LeVar

1483
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 1: Arrington level security tackle, right. And unfortunately the networks now

1484
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 1: have gotten into it where they don't show, you know,

1485
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 1: they won't zoom in and that kind of thing. Then

1486
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 1: you just have to listen for the crowd reaction. What

1487
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 1: game was I watching recently? I think it was in

1488
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 1: the baseball playoffs where a guy went out onto the field.

1489
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:57,600
Speaker 1: There were two of them. They're working in tandem. It

1490
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 1: was like the two guys when Hank Karon hit his homer.

1491
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 1: Two guys go running out on the field, and the

1492
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 1: whoever was doing the game said, well, we got a

1493
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 1: fan in the field and they have a friend, and

1494
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 1: they didn't show it. So then of course you got

1495
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:10,759
Speaker 1: to go on social media, like you know for fans

1496
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 1: in the stands type thing, giving video of it. But

1497
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: you could hear it all of a sudden in the

1498
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 1: background and she's like, oh, you're like, all right, they

1499
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: got him face plant. And if you're a player, you

1500
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 1: got to be a little nervous over it because in

1501
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: today's day, you have no idea what people are capable of, right,

1502
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 1: oh yeah, absolutely, But usually it's just some idiot that

1503
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 1: wants a selfie, which I again Ted Lasso stole my

1504
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 1: line on this, but I've been saying it forever. If

1505
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 1: it's two people, it's an ussy, not a selfie. Right.

1506
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 1: Speaking of one other thing, real quick wanted to point

1507
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 1: this out yesterday we either okay, well, now that goes

1508
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 1: back to the Streaker. I mentioned that I was banned

1509
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 1: for life from the steak and Shake at eighty six

1510
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:56,600
Speaker 1: and Westfield with my buddies in high school. Uh, misunderstanding,

1511
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,680
Speaker 1: but right there at eighty six and Westfield. Now I

1512
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 1: have a pair of my favorite shoes ever. I go on.

1513
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I've got like seventy five pair of shoes,

1514
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: but one of my favorite pair of shoes are Adida's

1515
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:12,600
Speaker 1: Rod Lavers, okay, which are basically like stan Smith but

1516
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 1: they're kind of like a canvasy plastic key type thing.

1517
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: The most comfortable shoes ever and stylish. But what I

1518
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:21,680
Speaker 1: I like them so much that I at one time

1519
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 1: had bought like two pairs at two pair at once.

1520
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 1: One of them sat in the box for like three years. Well,

1521
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,600
Speaker 1: I didn't realize this was taking place, But Eddie, I

1522
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 1: didn't tell you this. When I went to Denver with

1523
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 1: Shannon two weeks ago, I wore my rod Lavers and

1524
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 1: we were walking through the airport and the glue came

1525
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 1: apart on both not one, both both shoes as I'm walking.

1526
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 1: So now all of a sudden they've turned into flip flops.

1527
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 1: But and so I thought, well, I'm gonna have to

1528
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 1: buy another pair. They don't make the navy blue rod

1529
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 1: labor anymore. That's how old these shoes are that I have.

1530
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:58,640
Speaker 2: By the way, not to distract you, Jake, but have

1531
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:00,599
Speaker 2: you seen there's been some kind of there's stuff that's

1532
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,719
Speaker 2: come out with this investigation from the FBI yesterday.

1533
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 1: There's an involved bad glue on shoes. No okay, no, no, no,

1534
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 1: we'll hold on to that thought. Okay, okay. So anyway,

1535
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 1: I asked around to some people, what's the best place

1536
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 1: to get the shoes repaired? I had no idea of

1537
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 1: this place at eighty six in Westfield. It's called Ron's Shoes.

1538
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: It literally is a guy and his two sons and

1539
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: their two dogs. The whole place is like the size

1540
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 1: of your garage. And you go in and they also

1541
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:31,719
Speaker 1: have a little shelter there for animals in the area.

1542
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 1: But I went in and this is just these are

1543
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:37,639
Speaker 1: the kind of places Mom and pop places you love, man,

1544
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 1: you just love.

1545
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 2: You go in.

1546
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 1: There's shoes everywhere. There, just shoes all over the place,

1547
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 1: and polish all over the place, and literally just three

1548
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 1: guys sitting there working on shoes. And I went in

1549
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 1: and they could not have been nicer. And then I

1550
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 1: started asking people and literally everybody I asked, was like,

1551
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 1: this place is the best, and I just wanted to

1552
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:56,680
Speaker 1: give them a shout out because I like a mom

1553
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 1: and pop business. It's been here since nineteen ninety seven.

1554
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 1: Pop didn't vanish in this case. And take Jerry's shoes

1555
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:06,599
Speaker 1: there they're cobbling like no tomorrow. All right, you said

1556
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 1: you've got the latest on the investigation, Eddie, Just some

1557
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:10,640
Speaker 1: couple of other things that I've come out in the

1558
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 1: last twenty four hours. Okay, we'll do it next. Okay,

1559
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 1: So Eddie, when it comes to yesterday's news of the

1560
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 1: FBI investigation in the NBA, and I think most people

1561
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 1: know this by now, but I'm going to very quickly

1562
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 1: give the clip note versions of yesterday's news, and that

1563
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 1: is that Portland head coach Chauncey Billips was arrested for

1564
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 1: alleged involvement in a poker ring gambling poker ring that

1565
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:52,679
Speaker 1: was facilitated by organized crime. In addition to that, yesterday

1566
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 1: it was announced that Terry Rozier, who has most recently

1567
01:19:56,479 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 1: played for the Miami Heat, but notably was a big

1568
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 1: contract player for the Charlotte Hornets before being traded to

1569
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: Miami in January of twenty four, Terry Rozier, along with

1570
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 1: former NBA journeyman and most recently NBA assistant coach for

1571
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Cavaliers Damon Jones, were also arrested for their

1572
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 1: alleged involvement in serving as tipsters and I'm using that

1573
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:25,640
Speaker 1: term for lack of a better one, for code defendants

1574
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 1: on giving them inside information in NBA gambling and giving

1575
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 1: them tips about players that wouldn't play in games and etc.

1576
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:40,640
Speaker 1: In addition to that, the indictment papers for Rosier indicate

1577
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 1: a quote co defendant number eight, which by all account

1578
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: appears to also be Chauncey Billups, so that intertwines and

1579
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:54,520
Speaker 1: interweaves both of those stories. This all has come about

1580
01:20:54,760 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 1: due to an initial investigation of Toronto raptor John tape Porter,

1581
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: and once they got involved with John tay Porter, then

1582
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:08,639
Speaker 1: investigators uncovered other things that have led to those arrests.

1583
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 1: But this story continues to grow legs Eddie one number

1584
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:13,639
Speaker 1: did Chauncey bill swear? Was he number one?

1585
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 2: When he's with Detroit boy?

1586
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 1: I'd have to look. Zero comes to mind, oddly enough,

1587
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 1: but I don't know that I.

1588
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 2: Was gonna say, wouldn't that be? He was seven with

1589
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 2: Denver seven. Okay, Okay, I couldn't remember. I was gonna say,

1590
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 2: wouldn't that be like ironic slash coincidental if he was

1591
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 2: co defindit like number seven or eight in his jersey number.

1592
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:33,639
Speaker 1: And that's right professional. Well, a lot of those guys

1593
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 1: were jersey numbers different seeming than everywhere they.

1594
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 2: Played, right, Yeah, So first things first, let's start with

1595
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 2: the Terry Rozier part of this. Brian Winhurst of ESPN

1596
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:46,639
Speaker 2: yesterday on It Was on the Whole situation reveals that

1597
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 2: are revealed that the sportsbooks caught the irregular betting on

1598
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 2: Terry Roseier the day that had happened, and Rosier didn't

1599
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,599
Speaker 2: play the rest of the season, so he had to

1600
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 2: fake an injury and the NBA pretty much forced the

1601
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 2: hand of Rosier and the Charlotte Hornets is not playing

1602
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 2: the rest of the season, so they didn't get caught.

1603
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:07,680
Speaker 2: That is what Brian Windhorst is alleging that happened with

1604
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 2: the Rosier in front of this and then number two,

1605
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 2: there have been some other guys that have been looped

1606
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 2: into this. Lebron James was looped into this because of

1607
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 2: Damon Jones of his connection of playing together when they

1608
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 2: were on the Cleveland Cavaliers.

1609
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:22,679
Speaker 1: He was telling people when Lebron was not playing. Correct. Correct.

1610
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a game where Lebron was listed on

1611
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 2: the injury report and nobody knew if he was playing

1612
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 2: or not, and he knew that Lebron wasn't, so he

1613
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 2: informed people and they bet on other players to perform

1614
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 2: well that specific night. Kylie Jenner has now been brought

1615
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 2: into this as her when she was I think she

1616
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 2: was with Travis Scott. I can't remember. She's been brought

1617
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 2: into this because of her New York City pad is

1618
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 2: what they called. It was used as a spot for

1619
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 2: in illegal gambling poker night.

1620
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 1: Allegedly, right, that's from the New York Post. So she

1621
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: was running a gambling.

1622
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 2: Mobsters ran rigged poker games at her luxurious New York

1623
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:08,840
Speaker 2: City pad. According to the New York Post, wall she

1624
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 2: still learned it.

1625
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 1: The thing that is going I don't know this, but

1626
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 1: if this were a reality show, if this were a

1627
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 1: Netflix documentary and a fictional show, and maybe we live

1628
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 1: too much in a world now where everything is we

1629
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 1: tie it back to reality shows. I'm using reality in quotes.

1630
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 1: I can't wait for the documentary on this hinge watching shows. Well,

1631
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 1: that's what I was going to say, is if if

1632
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 1: this were a docuseries, the thing that would become the

1633
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 1: fascinating cliffhanger at the end of a season. You know

1634
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 1: when you watch these shows now and it's for you know, Hey,

1635
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:56,800
Speaker 1: are you watching such and such?

1636
01:23:57,280 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1637
01:23:57,479 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 1: I was, Yeah, I just finished season two. Man, it's awesome.

1638
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 1: Can't wait. When does season three come out? You know what?

1639
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 1: They just got renewed. They're working on it now. When

1640
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 1: that happens one of these seasons, the cliffhanger is going

1641
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 1: to be. And I'm not making light of this at all,

1642
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 1: and I'm curious if I'm the only one that thinks

1643
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 1: of it in these terms, I'm curious. Feel free to

1644
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 1: send me a text or a tweet and let me

1645
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 1: know if you make me feel better about myself that

1646
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm not alone on this island when I hear and

1647
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 1: maybe I think too much and I live too much

1648
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:41,120
Speaker 1: in seventies and eighties movie dramas. But for me, the

1649
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:45,800
Speaker 1: season cliffhanger from one to the next in this ever changing, intertwining,

1650
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:50,640
Speaker 1: ongoing saga as this thing goes further and further, is

1651
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 1: the tie between former and or current NBA players and

1652
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 1: organized crime, because I think it is entirely possible, and

1653
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm not again, I'm probably my mind is probably immediately

1654
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 1: like jumping into some sort of de Niro film, right,

1655
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 1: But in the back of my mind, I'm thinking to

1656
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 1: myself an NBA player or a former NBA player, or

1657
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 1: college athlete, whatever it might be. Oftentimes, and this goes

1658
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 1: back to what I said yesterday when Michael Jordan was

1659
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 1: gambling and everybody and their brother knew it, and people

1660
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 1: are like, who cares if Michael Jordan is wagering fifty

1661
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:39,719
Speaker 1: grand on a sporting event when he makes thirty million

1662
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 1: a year, And my answer was always the same, even

1663
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 1: back then in nineteen ninety five, my answer was always

1664
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:47,720
Speaker 1: the same. You're right, that amount of money is not

1665
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 1: a big deal to Michael Jordan, but it's a huge

1666
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 1: deal to the person he's dealing with. And when you

1667
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 1: start getting into and you start hearing things like mafia,

1668
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: organized crime, that I think, I think it is entirely

1669
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 1: possible that you have athletes that did not, in any way,

1670
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 1: shape or form understand the size and the danger of

1671
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 1: the sharks swimming in the same pool as they And

1672
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 1: that's where it gets real interesting, and that's where it

1673
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 1: gets real terrifying because the second that all of a sudden,

1674
01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 1: now federal investigators are going to be asking people to

1675
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 1: give testimony or people to Hey, it comes down to like,

1676
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 1: either you tell us what you know or this or

1677
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 1: that penalty's happening out there and you're not totally aware

1678
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 1: or you're naive of what the repercussions are going to be.

1679
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 1: If now you're speaking out against certain groups, that gets

1680
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 1: I mean, that is a whole different And again, I'm

1681
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 1: probably living in some prime Netflix, Hulu subreality. I don't know.

1682
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 2: Derek JK and not your best friend Derek Schultz in

1683
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 2: the YouTube chat. The YouTube chat Jake YouTube chat. Okay,

1684
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:01,160
Speaker 2: he's in the YouTube chat. You gotta do your thing.

1685
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:03,559
Speaker 2: There you go, you gotta there you go, you gotta

1686
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 2: post form.

1687
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:05,560
Speaker 1: Have a new watch, by the way, for everybody to

1688
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 1: see in says this is Jake's real life the Wire. Yes,

1689
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, the.

1690
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 2: Part that I don't get in all this is like,

1691
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 2: you work so hard, if you're in the case of

1692
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 2: Terry Roseier to get to the NBA, like you have

1693
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 2: to do so much to train and get ready and

1694
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 2: you know, workouts everything from high school to college to

1695
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 2: get to the pros. And you had already been in

1696
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 2: the league for so long, Like why, Like, is it

1697
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 2: really worth risking everything now in that situation to get

1698
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:34,599
Speaker 2: caught up in something I.

1699
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 1: Think you have. There are two things that come into

1700
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 1: play here. Two things come into play in all of this,

1701
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 1: and they are two human nature emotions that are very

1702
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:52,080
Speaker 1: difficult for some people to turn off. One is the

1703
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 1: thirst for money, no matter how much you have, yeah,

1704
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 1: And the other is, for some people, the quest of competition.

1705
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 1: Those can be a dangerous combo. Kevin Bowen joins US

1706
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 1: Colts Titan's preview.

1707
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:07,719
Speaker 3: Next.

1708
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 1: You know, I think it was yesterday I was driving in,

1709
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 1: or maybe it was two days ago. Peek behind the

1710
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 1: curtain Eddie and I. You know, I can't speak for Eddie,

1711
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:23,599
Speaker 1: he's got to do the pacer games and other such things.

1712
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 1: But I usually get here. What time would you say,

1713
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:29,920
Speaker 1: on average, I arrive here, Eddie, eleven thirty five. It's

1714
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 1: by about right and a.

1715
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 2: Couple of days ago, which means you're probably parking in

1716
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 2: the garage at eleven thirty.

1717
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got stuck in the elevator the other day. Yeah,

1718
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:41,799
Speaker 1: that happened to be last night. Elevator broken again today

1719
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:46,680
Speaker 1: a lot of hoofing and stairs. But I the other day,

1720
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 1: we had to get here a little bit early, and

1721
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:50,760
Speaker 1: I was pulling in just as the morning show was

1722
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 1: wrapping up. Kevin Bowen, Mark dyked in obviously running the

1723
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 1: controls there, and then Jeff Ricker and James Boyd, and

1724
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, I'd forgotten what a glorious thing

1725
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 1: it was back then that like your day's you know,

1726
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 1: you're done at ten, but then you got to get

1727
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 1: up early. So it was some four hours ago that

1728
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 1: you last heard our next guest who joins us now

1729
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 1: on the Java House Peel and Port guest line, Kevin

1730
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 1: Bowen on the radio. And there is plenty to unpack.

1731
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:20,639
Speaker 1: I'm going to begin with this, Kevin Rosie is now

1732
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 1: how old your daughter Rosie is now? How old she is?

1733
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:24,599
Speaker 3: Five?

1734
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:28,879
Speaker 1: Five? Because your son Max, I know that in seeing

1735
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 1: his the videos of him, you know, picking the helmet

1736
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:34,799
Speaker 1: of who's going to win each week for the NFL,

1737
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 1: looks like he might be a little bit ambidextrous. I

1738
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 1: don't know how good his dribbling skills would be Rosie

1739
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 1: being five maybe a little bit better? Can she play

1740
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,679
Speaker 1: point for the pacers?

1741
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 3: Yeah? I tweeted out last night, Jamison Brewer, Darryl Armstrong,

1742
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 3: Jamal Tinsley, my brother said he saw Lance Stevenson in

1743
01:29:57,160 --> 01:30:01,120
Speaker 3: LA Fitness recently. I mean, somebody some way head over

1744
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:03,479
Speaker 3: to save Vitch scunners. Just knock on the door. As

1745
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:05,760
Speaker 3: long as you bring your hippoforms, you should be good

1746
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 3: to go.

1747
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 2: What about Gennaro Pargo or Eddie Gill.

1748
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:10,559
Speaker 1: Eddie Gill's in house, Yeah he's there.

1749
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, those are all great, great options, you know,

1750
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:16,360
Speaker 3: I mean honestly, right now, anybody.

1751
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:18,720
Speaker 1: You know it's last night, late in the game. I

1752
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:23,280
Speaker 1: thought Ben Shephard handled the responsibilities. Well, the question becomes, Kevin,

1753
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 1: the longer you go in a game, the more somebody

1754
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 1: out of position gets And I'll use exposed for lack

1755
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 1: of a better phrase, but same thing happens in the NFL.

1756
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 1: But you can you can piece meal it for patches

1757
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:39,000
Speaker 1: of moments here and there, but you're in trouble when

1758
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:42,240
Speaker 1: you start relying on that, right, Yeah, I think.

1759
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 3: That's a good way to put it. You know, I

1760
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 3: don't know if there's numbers that necessarily explain last night.

1761
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 3: But you know, the Pacers scored just fine. But you know,

1762
01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 3: really they scored with like a one on one ball,

1763
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 3: which is not what we're really used to some NBA teams,

1764
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 3: that's primarily how they play. But the Pacers at nineteen

1765
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 3: assists in regulation last night, I believe that would have

1766
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 3: been the second fewest of any of their eighty two

1767
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 3: games last season. So I think that kind of shows

1768
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 3: you a little bit of just how much it was. Hey,

1769
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:14,160
Speaker 3: Benedic Matherin, Hey Pascal Siakam, here's the ball, please do

1770
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:17,519
Speaker 3: something with it. And especially once s Nemhart went out,

1771
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:20,680
Speaker 3: you know that obviously what's kind of how it was.

1772
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:24,559
Speaker 3: So yeah, it is wild how much they have dealt

1773
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 3: and obviously the fevered dels it as well. And you know,

1774
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:29,519
Speaker 3: Rick Carlott and sound over the optimistic post came about

1775
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 3: Andrew Nemhart's status. So they need somebody.

1776
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:32,519
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1777
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,679
Speaker 3: I don't know the rosters of the NBA and how

1778
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 3: you're able to bring guys and injury hardships and ten

1779
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 3: day this, but like if they can Cameron Payne, he

1780
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 3: needs to be on the plane to Memphis tonight.

1781
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:50,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, and and yeah, I mean Quentin Jackson.

1782
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 1: You got guys that have been around that are on

1783
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:56,160
Speaker 1: the roster or what else, but seemingly every one of

1784
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 1: them has an issue, you know, some sort of an

1785
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:00,720
Speaker 1: injury thing. Let me ask you this, Kevin. Last night

1786
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 1: the season opener for the Pacers, right, and it was

1787
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:08,479
Speaker 1: a game that felt a little bit like and I

1788
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:10,559
Speaker 1: hope this isn't the case, but I remember the first

1789
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:13,600
Speaker 1: game after the brawl when the Pacers played Orlando and

1790
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:16,800
Speaker 1: they were shorthanded, and they hung around and you know,

1791
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 1: Freddie Jones had like thirty six or something, and it

1792
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:24,599
Speaker 1: was truly like this inspiring thing, I thought last night,

1793
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 1: and this is a far more talented team and a

1794
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 1: far more total team, and the losses are you know,

1795
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:32,360
Speaker 1: kind of apples and orange is there to an extent,

1796
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 1: but I had kind of the same feel of like, man,

1797
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:38,640
Speaker 1: what an incredibly inspired effort, but yet they obviously do

1798
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:41,759
Speaker 1: not get to win. Over the course of the show today,

1799
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:44,720
Speaker 1: for you guys in the morning, what percent would you

1800
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 1: say was Pacer talk and Colt's talking there's a reason

1801
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm asking.

1802
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:52,840
Speaker 3: My gosh, by the way I feel like the night

1803
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:54,639
Speaker 3: after the brawl is also one of those like where

1804
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:56,839
Speaker 3: were you? I can picture myself and Andre Hall's birthday

1805
01:32:56,840 --> 01:33:00,280
Speaker 3: party watching Pacers magic, and I think Fred don't have

1806
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:01,800
Speaker 3: a shot for the win at the buzzer if I

1807
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 3: remember correctly, or at least like had to cant send

1808
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 3: the game in overtime. Oh, I'd say we boy, I

1809
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:08,719
Speaker 3: said we talked Pacers more than we did cold.

1810
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:09,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1811
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I say, I don't know, sixty forty something else.

1812
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's we're probably like seventy thirty

1813
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 1: at this point today. The reason I ask it is because, yes,

1814
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:20,800
Speaker 1: it's the season or opener for the Pacers, and that's

1815
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 1: you know, that's the big part of it. But also

1816
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:27,919
Speaker 1: Kevin isn't part of that because of the foe this weekend.

1817
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:31,280
Speaker 1: And I mean that is no disrespect to the NFL

1818
01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 1: in general, because any given Sunday, I get that, But

1819
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 1: this does feel like the Alabama mid November game against Fordham,

1820
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 1: does it not.

1821
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the closest thing I think in the NFL.

1822
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:44,599
Speaker 3: You're gonna get to that. I forget which Colts players

1823
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:47,519
Speaker 3: said it earlier this week, but somebody in the locker

1824
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:50,439
Speaker 3: room said, you know, we know it would mean the

1825
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 3: world to them to beat us. And I'm like, damn,

1826
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:58,639
Speaker 3: what a comment in the month of October to say

1827
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:01,960
Speaker 3: that about another NFL team, Like, yes, the year exactly right,

1828
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:04,680
Speaker 3: it's you know what Alabama says before they play, like

1829
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:08,439
Speaker 3: McNeice on homecoming. It's not what an NFL team says

1830
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:10,559
Speaker 3: about another NFL team, let alone a week eight We're

1831
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 3: not talking about you know, week eighteen here. You know,

1832
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:17,720
Speaker 3: it's still relatively early in the season. I do think

1833
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:20,240
Speaker 3: there is, Yes, I would say a large chunk of it,

1834
01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:22,759
Speaker 3: to your point, has to do with it is the opponent.

1835
01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:26,840
Speaker 3: But I don't know. I just feel like a reinvigorated

1836
01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:30,880
Speaker 3: Pacer fandom around the city. Like I thought yesterday was

1837
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 3: one of those. It wasn't at a playoff game level,

1838
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:35,759
Speaker 3: but like I'm going to pick up my kids at school,

1839
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:39,040
Speaker 3: and like the lady in charge of the pickup line

1840
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 3: as she's like, you know, sitting there, she's got her

1841
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:44,360
Speaker 3: Pacer jacket on, and like I noticed a couple other

1842
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:46,800
Speaker 3: people out in public just like wearing their Pacer gear.

1843
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 3: And you know, I don't know, but if I took

1844
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:52,640
Speaker 3: like roll call in recent years, I don't think the

1845
01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:55,040
Speaker 3: day of the Pacer season opener, you would have had

1846
01:34:55,080 --> 01:34:58,280
Speaker 3: that many people realizing it was even the Pacer season opener.

1847
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:00,760
Speaker 3: So yes, I or do you think has to do

1848
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 3: with who the Colts opponent is? But I also think

1849
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:06,639
Speaker 3: last year's ron and just the college high school feel

1850
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 3: to wanting to root and watch that team. I think

1851
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:11,719
Speaker 3: there's a lot of carry over even to this year squad.

1852
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 1: So if if Shane steike in with this game, Okay,

1853
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:19,200
Speaker 1: Rick Carlisle, for example, you know, I guess we were curious,

1854
01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:20,760
Speaker 1: how are they going to look without Haliburton. You know

1855
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 1: what happens once once nim Hart went out? You know, gosh,

1856
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 1: did you hear nim Hart's down? You know Ben Shepherd's

1857
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:27,639
Speaker 1: running points? So you turn it on to see that. Whatever,

1858
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:30,519
Speaker 1: if you're Shane Stikeen and you're looking at this game

1859
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:34,400
Speaker 1: with Tennessee and you're looking at areas where you can

1860
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:38,880
Speaker 1: give yourself different looks or test yourself differently, give me

1861
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:42,800
Speaker 1: an area that Shane Stikeen is saying to himself, I

1862
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:45,560
Speaker 1: need to get this going for my football team, and

1863
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:48,640
Speaker 1: this Sunday is the opportunity for me to do that.

1864
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 1: The area to work things out. What is the first kink,

1865
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:55,000
Speaker 1: the Colts want to try to get straightened.

1866
01:35:57,640 --> 01:35:59,800
Speaker 3: Well, probably no one get hurt and warm up. Now

1867
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 3: you're back inside of Lucas Oil Stadium. I guess I

1868
01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:07,439
Speaker 3: would start there. Yeah, from I mean from a serious manner,

1869
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:10,000
Speaker 3: I mean nothing offensively. I don't know, maybe if you

1870
01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 3: Adie Mitchell, uh, you know, a meaningful reper to I

1871
01:36:14,040 --> 01:36:16,640
Speaker 3: mean defensively. Yeah, you have some things. I think the

1872
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:18,840
Speaker 3: plan for Camboard though, can be a little bit different

1873
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:22,479
Speaker 3: than maybe for more of a traditional, you know, pocket guy.

1874
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:26,479
Speaker 3: So yeah, I you know, a little bit of that

1875
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 3: k to him Allau, you know the the Roockett Ohio State.

1876
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:31,000
Speaker 3: It looks like he's gonna play a little bit more

1877
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:33,040
Speaker 3: of a bigger role than he has. Certainly early in

1878
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 3: the season you could probably point to him specifically. Jalen

1879
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:38,720
Speaker 3: Jones will not be called up this week, so you're

1880
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:42,479
Speaker 3: still kind of a week away from that. So through them,

1881
01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:45,920
Speaker 3: Allela would would would probably be the one that I

1882
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:50,160
Speaker 3: could go to. But man offensively again, outside of you know,

1883
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:52,719
Speaker 3: trying to give Adie Mitchell a little love, I don't

1884
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:55,679
Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything you know, Michael Badsley making

1885
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:57,800
Speaker 3: a couple of field goals. Obviously don't want to settle

1886
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:00,519
Speaker 3: necessarily for field goals. But you know, any time a

1887
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:03,559
Speaker 3: guy misses an extra point in the previous game, particularly indoors,

1888
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:05,559
Speaker 3: that might be something that you point through.

1889
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:10,519
Speaker 1: You know. I saw an interesting article from some of

1890
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:15,400
Speaker 1: the comments that Adie Mitchell had made Kevin this week

1891
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:20,439
Speaker 1: where for the first time, you don't hear this a

1892
01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 1: lot from athletes, just like a combination of contritionan humility

1893
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:27,680
Speaker 1: and also in the case of Adi Mitchell, and I'm paraphrasing,

1894
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:33,719
Speaker 1: but it sounded almost like Adie Mitchell is like many

1895
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:36,240
Speaker 1: of us in the fact of waiting for Adie Mitchell

1896
01:37:36,280 --> 01:37:38,720
Speaker 1: to get going, and I in hearing it, I thought

1897
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:42,879
Speaker 1: to myself, and I hope I'm wrong here. This sounds

1898
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:46,040
Speaker 1: like a player that is broken and just doesn't know

1899
01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:48,200
Speaker 1: when it's going to take off for him, and that

1900
01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:51,680
Speaker 1: accelerates the sand through the hourglass. Did I misread that?

1901
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:57,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean broken, I think is a big word.

1902
01:37:57,400 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 1: But I don't mean broken physically. I mean like emotion.

1903
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:02,840
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, no, no, no, yeah, I know I

1904
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:05,640
Speaker 3: knew that you meant that. I like, whatever is a

1905
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:09,400
Speaker 3: notch not as not as you know out on the

1906
01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:11,560
Speaker 3: ledge is broken. I mean it, I mean it was

1907
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:15,360
Speaker 3: very candid. I guess I would start there, and you know,

1908
01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:17,479
Speaker 3: I remember seeing James, but I think it was James

1909
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:20,799
Speaker 3: Woo and Nathan Brown, the new Beat writer alongside Julie

1910
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:22,600
Speaker 3: Harrison was sorry. I think they both were kind of

1911
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:24,479
Speaker 3: over there Dad Mitchell and I remember walking over there

1912
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:26,519
Speaker 3: just chat with James about the show the next day

1913
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:27,600
Speaker 3: and he was like, man, I think some of the

1914
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:29,560
Speaker 3: Dad Mitchell stuff's too good not to play. And we

1915
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 3: actually got to it this morning, and yeah, reading the comments,

1916
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 3: I did feel like a dude that I mean that

1917
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:42,080
Speaker 3: this has impacted him significantly and again broken. You know,

1918
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Speaker 3: I think it's a tad maybe unfair to him of like,

1919
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:47,880
Speaker 3: you know, I guess we haven't seen him yet in

1920
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 3: another opportunity. I feel like if all of a sudden,

1921
01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 3: you see him in another opportunity and what continued, screw

1922
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:56,600
Speaker 3: ups continued, lack of reliability continues to happen, been you know,

1923
01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:59,720
Speaker 3: maybe that term can apply, but I mean definitely was

1924
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:03,679
Speaker 3: very you know, whatever shook it up by what happened

1925
01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:06,599
Speaker 3: and now the benching from there, you know, we're talking

1926
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:09,200
Speaker 3: about a dude that was a pretty highly ranked recruit

1927
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:11,840
Speaker 3: and started, you know, scored a touchdown as a true

1928
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:14,760
Speaker 3: freshman at Georgia in the national title, like not many

1929
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:16,800
Speaker 3: guys do that, and then moved over to Texas and

1930
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:19,240
Speaker 3: had you know, great success there on the biggest stage.

1931
01:39:19,320 --> 01:39:23,160
Speaker 3: And albeit he didn't play a ton of meaningful snaps

1932
01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:25,519
Speaker 3: of a rookie, you know, he obviously still had some

1933
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:28,000
Speaker 3: sort of role. And now it's like with the guy's

1934
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:32,040
Speaker 3: healthy again, you know, josh Awens is cleared kincushion protocoled

1935
01:39:32,200 --> 01:39:34,680
Speaker 3: Ashton Dolan looks like he's gonna play. I mean he

1936
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:36,200
Speaker 3: said it to James. I mean there is a real

1937
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:38,479
Speaker 3: question of like I don't know when my snaps are

1938
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:40,759
Speaker 3: gonna come again, and I think he means meaningful snaps.

1939
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:44,519
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's definitely a guy that I'm sure you know,

1940
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:47,080
Speaker 3: Reggy Wayne mentally has probably had a walk of fine

1941
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:49,640
Speaker 3: line with of like he had. There's some punishment, but

1942
01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 3: then there's there kind of a build him back up.

1943
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:54,640
Speaker 3: So uh, you know, fourth quarter on Sunday, if you

1944
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:59,000
Speaker 3: are a couple whatever scores separating you from Tennessee, Uh,

1945
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:01,040
Speaker 3: I think it could be you know, try to get

1946
01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:02,600
Speaker 3: him involved and try to get a little good on

1947
01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:03,240
Speaker 3: tape for him.

1948
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Speaker 1: And furthermore, would we be would we be guilty of

1949
01:40:08,439 --> 01:40:12,439
Speaker 1: over reading it if let's say the Colts are up

1950
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:15,000
Speaker 1: two to three scores in the fourth quarter quarter and

1951
01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:17,759
Speaker 1: Ady Mitchell is still not on the field in getting reps,

1952
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:20,760
Speaker 1: will that tell us a lot or should we still

1953
01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:21,439
Speaker 1: pump the brakes?

1954
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Speaker 3: Well, I guess I would start here. Is he definitely

1955
01:40:24,680 --> 01:40:26,880
Speaker 3: going to be active, you know, because now you are

1956
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:28,240
Speaker 3: back to healthy at Whiteout?

1957
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:31,280
Speaker 1: Correct me? Well, now, what's what's the latest on Downs?

1958
01:40:31,320 --> 01:40:32,960
Speaker 1: My apologies if you already mentioned it. I know that

1959
01:40:33,080 --> 01:40:35,479
Speaker 1: he did practice, but I believe he is still in protocol.

1960
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:37,280
Speaker 1: Correct it down.

1961
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Speaker 3: Clear has clear protoc Okay, so James yeah, said that

1962
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:42,080
Speaker 3: a little bit earlier, So he is clear protocol and

1963
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:44,720
Speaker 3: Ashton Doland should be good to go. So you're back

1964
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 3: to your normal healthy group at wide Out, which again

1965
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:53,599
Speaker 3: you really haven't been that since Mitchell had his whatever snafu,

1966
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:57,400
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it. So I don't I

1967
01:40:57,439 --> 01:40:59,360
Speaker 3: don't get the vibe that like he's definitely going to

1968
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:01,760
Speaker 3: be on the active list. But at the same time,

1969
01:41:02,439 --> 01:41:04,720
Speaker 3: you know, we've we've kind of yet to see this here,

1970
01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:08,280
Speaker 3: so yeah, that's probably something that you know, not even

1971
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:10,400
Speaker 3: it's four kickoff, will be something to keep an eye on.

1972
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:12,880
Speaker 1: Kevin Bowen is our guest. You hear him on The

1973
01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:14,960
Speaker 1: Fan Morning Show of course with jeff Rickerd and James

1974
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:18,439
Speaker 1: Boyd each morning from seven until ten am. Obviously, his

1975
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:20,920
Speaker 1: podcast is well available at one oh seven five the

1976
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:23,880
Speaker 1: fan dot com. Kevin trade deadline, I believe is a

1977
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 1: week from Tuesday, but November fourth is the date specifically,

1978
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:32,799
Speaker 1: if you had if I said to you right now, Kevin,

1979
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:36,120
Speaker 1: I just got my DeLorean one point twenty one Jiggo

1980
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:37,920
Speaker 1: Watts eighty eight miles an hour, I was able to

1981
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,559
Speaker 1: go into the future. The Colts, in fact, are making

1982
01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:43,560
Speaker 1: a trade deadline move. They made one I know for

1983
01:41:43,640 --> 01:41:47,679
Speaker 1: a fact, and it's a defensive player. Would you guess

1984
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:51,360
Speaker 1: that it is a pass rusher or a defensive back?

1985
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:56,760
Speaker 3: Well, it's great question. I know it sounds like a

1986
01:41:56,840 --> 01:41:59,400
Speaker 3: cop out, but I would almost flip a coin. I

1987
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:02,280
Speaker 3: think you could get talked into either. I am probably

1988
01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:07,240
Speaker 3: more team pass rusher, but you know, I think I

1989
01:42:07,280 --> 01:42:09,120
Speaker 3: could hear the Colts to make an argument for you know,

1990
01:42:09,240 --> 01:42:11,200
Speaker 3: corner as well. I kind of look at Corner and

1991
01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:14,640
Speaker 3: think a little bit of okay Ta various wards you know,

1992
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:16,560
Speaker 3: supposed to be back in a couple of weeks, and

1993
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:18,960
Speaker 3: you know Jalen Jones isn't this week, but you know

1994
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:21,439
Speaker 3: he could be back, you know here at the end

1995
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:24,080
Speaker 3: of October start in November. You know, do you look

1996
01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:27,440
Speaker 3: at those as kind of like some trade deadline additions

1997
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:30,200
Speaker 3: for you Again, that's kind of how I view it,

1998
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:33,880
Speaker 3: But I think, you know, in a perfect world they

1999
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:37,519
Speaker 3: would add some some serious juice to that defense. The

2000
01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 3: problem is perfect world and the trade deadline are usually

2001
01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:44,000
Speaker 3: not phrases that coexists, particularly in the NFL. So again,

2002
01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:47,519
Speaker 3: how much do you want to give up? And can

2003
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:49,880
Speaker 3: you find two to tango? All of that can be

2004
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:52,000
Speaker 3: very cool. As much of trade activity as we had

2005
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:54,720
Speaker 3: kind of early October with the deadline, we really just

2006
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:56,800
Speaker 3: had a very quiet week in the NFL from a

2007
01:42:56,840 --> 01:43:00,120
Speaker 3: trade standpoint. And again, it's a week from Tuesday is

2008
01:43:00,160 --> 01:43:03,120
Speaker 3: a trade deadline, so you know, two more games of

2009
01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:05,679
Speaker 3: evaluation for teams all around the league. Are you a buyer?

2010
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:07,519
Speaker 3: Are you a seller? Are you not? Are you trying

2011
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:09,720
Speaker 3: to save your job? You know this and now there's

2012
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:11,880
Speaker 3: so many factors away here, but yes, I do think

2013
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:14,639
Speaker 3: the Colts would have some definite interest on the defensive

2014
01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:18,400
Speaker 3: side of the ball. You could probably talk me or them,

2015
01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:21,519
Speaker 3: frankly into either the end or corner keV.

2016
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Speaker 1: You know, I know if you look at the prolific

2017
01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:29,679
Speaker 1: pass rushers that had to be organically grown within this franchise,

2018
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:31,240
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, you can go out and I'm not

2019
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:34,439
Speaker 1: talking about guys that they have traded for or moves

2020
01:43:34,439 --> 01:43:36,840
Speaker 1: they've made. But you know, Freenie and matth this other two,

2021
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:38,680
Speaker 1: you know they're always going to be the gold standard, right,

2022
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:42,120
Speaker 1: But you know, Freanie took a while. I mean I

2023
01:43:42,200 --> 01:43:44,960
Speaker 1: think that we forget that Dwight Freeny was not just

2024
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, rip off the bubble wrap and boom, he

2025
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:51,360
Speaker 1: was producing sacks. It took a while with Leatu Latu.

2026
01:43:51,479 --> 01:43:53,800
Speaker 1: That's why I keep going back to with Latu, who

2027
01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:57,320
Speaker 1: I do think looks active and gets himself right there

2028
01:43:57,360 --> 01:44:02,479
Speaker 1: where he needs to be. And clearly he has been

2029
01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:04,639
Speaker 1: a part of some big plays so far this year.

2030
01:44:05,160 --> 01:44:07,680
Speaker 1: But do you think that they expected more at this

2031
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:08,720
Speaker 1: rate from him?

2032
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:10,800
Speaker 6: Yeah?

2033
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:13,479
Speaker 3: I think so, because you know, this is a guy

2034
01:44:13,560 --> 01:44:17,280
Speaker 3: that produced at a very high level back when the

2035
01:44:17,320 --> 01:44:19,400
Speaker 3: PAX level is still the PAC twelve, you know, in

2036
01:44:19,479 --> 01:44:22,240
Speaker 3: his final two seasons there at UCLA, and so I

2037
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:25,080
Speaker 3: think the thought was, you know, sometimes you see this

2038
01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:28,000
Speaker 3: there are a couple for Quity Pay honestly, was a

2039
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:30,200
Speaker 3: first down or the first round pass rusher that maybe

2040
01:44:30,200 --> 01:44:32,400
Speaker 3: didn't have the hye popping sacks, you know, the first

2041
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:35,519
Speaker 3: first team All Conference, the first team All American, you know,

2042
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:38,280
Speaker 3: those sorts of things, whereas a lot to you felt

2043
01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:42,000
Speaker 3: like was more of a ready made pass rusher. And yeah,

2044
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:43,760
Speaker 3: I mean he's definitely had some pressures, and you know,

2045
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:45,920
Speaker 3: to your point, he's had some moments, but he had

2046
01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:48,000
Speaker 3: two things. A. I think the Colt seams to finish

2047
01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:51,120
Speaker 3: off their pressure is better, and B they have to

2048
01:44:51,200 --> 01:44:54,080
Speaker 3: get quicker pressure. I think that is something that's hurt

2049
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:56,719
Speaker 3: them of you know, when you see them make plays

2050
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:59,679
Speaker 3: from their defensive front, I think too often it usually

2051
01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:03,360
Speaker 3: is predicated on some sort of stunt action which usually

2052
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:06,160
Speaker 3: takes a while for that to get home, or just

2053
01:45:06,280 --> 01:45:08,599
Speaker 3: kind of a high effort play. You know the Jacobe

2054
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:11,880
Speaker 3: Versett third and goal where for setting, you know, scrambles

2055
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:13,680
Speaker 3: out of the pocket and then that's where all of

2056
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:15,519
Speaker 3: a sudden, Quinny Pay into Forrest Buckner I think in

2057
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:17,000
Speaker 3: mind on it, you know, they had already had their

2058
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:19,639
Speaker 3: initial rush and now it took their second rush, which

2059
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:22,160
Speaker 3: again part of that is playing d line and being

2060
01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:25,559
Speaker 3: a pass rusher. But that obviously means the quarterbacks holding

2061
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:26,920
Speaker 3: onto the ball a little bit longer. And if you

2062
01:45:26,920 --> 01:45:29,759
Speaker 3: look at the last two weeks, versetting It and Herbert

2063
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:31,200
Speaker 3: two guys that actually hold on to it a little

2064
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:33,600
Speaker 3: bit longer than most, they both have held on to

2065
01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:35,920
Speaker 3: it extra longer against the Colts, and I think part

2066
01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:38,040
Speaker 3: of that's because they have had the chance.

2067
01:45:38,280 --> 01:45:38,760
Speaker 4: To do that.

2068
01:45:39,080 --> 01:45:41,000
Speaker 3: So I think those are some areas that you know,

2069
01:45:41,080 --> 01:45:43,840
Speaker 3: definitely need some work as you start to play you

2070
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:47,320
Speaker 3: know better and or more veteran quarterbacks here moving forward.

2071
01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:49,679
Speaker 1: Okay, Kevin, I want you to pretend for a second.

2072
01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:52,559
Speaker 1: I want you to imagine a scenario or a scenario,

2073
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:54,400
Speaker 1: depending on which way you'd like to pronounce the word.

2074
01:45:55,439 --> 01:45:58,799
Speaker 1: So in this hypothetical that I'm presenting to you, Kevin Bowen,

2075
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:02,320
Speaker 1: I need you to imagine for me that you are

2076
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:08,840
Speaker 1: at your favorite florist shop, mom and pop shop, card store,

2077
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:12,280
Speaker 1: whatever it might be, and you are looking for a

2078
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:16,479
Speaker 1: gift for your wife for the next holiday. That is

2079
01:46:16,720 --> 01:46:19,479
Speaker 1: just around the corner, whatever the next holiday might be.

2080
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:23,280
Speaker 1: In this scenario, while you're looking and all of a sudden,

2081
01:46:23,320 --> 01:46:26,920
Speaker 1: your phone buzzes and you look down and it is

2082
01:46:27,080 --> 01:46:31,280
Speaker 1: James Boyd saying, Hey, I just got news the Colts

2083
01:46:31,320 --> 01:46:35,720
Speaker 1: are extending Daniel Jones. He has a contract extension and

2084
01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:39,120
Speaker 1: they've re signed him. You stop right there and you're like, well,

2085
01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:41,160
Speaker 1: I got to get into work and get going. As

2086
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:43,479
Speaker 1: a result of that, that means that you are punting

2087
01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:45,800
Speaker 1: on buying the gift for your wife. That is for

2088
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:46,559
Speaker 1: what holiday?

2089
01:46:50,040 --> 01:46:53,479
Speaker 3: May that is goss Eddie Garrison. Have you ever just

2090
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:56,920
Speaker 3: spliced together peak ja query questions? We used to throw

2091
01:46:57,040 --> 01:46:58,880
Speaker 3: this one in there. I mean, I had no doubt

2092
01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:01,160
Speaker 3: that that took a late turn. I thought I was

2093
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:03,560
Speaker 3: stuck on the present. I was stuck on the you

2094
01:47:03,640 --> 01:47:06,120
Speaker 3: know Etsy, I've been told by my wife, no more

2095
01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:09,559
Speaker 3: Etsy gifts. Too many. You know, I'm sorry. The Google

2096
01:47:09,640 --> 01:47:12,360
Speaker 3: searches just produce more Etsy ideas than they do any others.

2097
01:47:13,080 --> 01:47:18,840
Speaker 3: What holiday, boy, that is a that is a good one.

2098
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:21,240
Speaker 5: Boy.

2099
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:24,200
Speaker 7: My mind's kind of Valentine's Day to Saint Patrick's Day.

2100
01:47:24,240 --> 01:47:27,400
Speaker 7: I'm kind in that window. Yeah, you know, I think

2101
01:47:27,400 --> 01:47:31,400
Speaker 7: there are some complications to doing it in season. You know,

2102
01:47:31,439 --> 01:47:34,160
Speaker 7: I think there are some reservations maybe of you know,

2103
01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:36,320
Speaker 7: if you're Daniel Jones's camp, is there any amount of

2104
01:47:36,360 --> 01:47:38,160
Speaker 7: view that says, hey, let's bet on ourselves.

2105
01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:41,960
Speaker 3: I mean, let's let's oh, you know totally, let's Benedict

2106
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:42,600
Speaker 3: mathering it up.

2107
01:47:42,840 --> 01:47:45,840
Speaker 1: I mean, is he is he Miles Turner right where

2108
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:48,040
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like it's everybody just assumes he's

2109
01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:50,360
Speaker 1: coming back, and it's like, hey, man, you didn't you

2110
01:47:50,439 --> 01:47:52,360
Speaker 1: guys were unaware of it. But at the eleventh hour,

2111
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:53,960
Speaker 1: guess what, the Vikings just came to me with a

2112
01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:55,120
Speaker 1: huge offer, you know what I mean.

2113
01:47:55,400 --> 01:47:57,880
Speaker 3: Right now, again, the Colts could franchise tag it and

2114
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:02,040
Speaker 3: if not mistaken, typically that tag window happens just after

2115
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:06,040
Speaker 3: Valentine's Day, just kind of you know, mid to late February,

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Speaker 3: and then it usually is like the first week of March.

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Speaker 3: And I want to say with Pittman, I think the

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Speaker 3: Colts waited all the way until the final hour of

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Speaker 3: that window. So you know, that's kind of where I'm

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Speaker 3: at from a holiday standpoint there. Cash Now I'm sweating

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Speaker 3: about presence and you know which presents are haven't gotten here,

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Speaker 3: so by now you're making me nervous.

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Speaker 5: Day.

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Speaker 1: It's not Mother's Day, right, No.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't. I mean, I mean he's a free agent,

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Speaker 3: so yeah, I mean it's got to be by you know,

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Speaker 3: whatever the new calendar year is for the NFL coming.

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Speaker 1: Up, so I which would mean I mean you're you're

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Speaker 1: looking late March then, right, right.

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Speaker 3: Mid March typically, yeah, but I mean in season, I

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Speaker 3: get we we we were talking with Steven Holder about this.

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Speaker 3: I believe there are some complications. Is how much you

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Speaker 3: can increase his cap number two within the season, like

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Speaker 3: giving him an extension here in twenty twenty five. And also,

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Speaker 3: you know, if you do make a deadline move, obviously

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Speaker 3: that might hinder a little bit of what you're doing.

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Speaker 3: But you know, it's a great problem to have. But

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Speaker 3: we're not really used to this with the Colts, like

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Speaker 3: you know, and they weren't necessarily planning for this either

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Speaker 3: with Anthony Richardson to be clear, like if Richardson would

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Speaker 3: have had a nice season this year, like if he

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Speaker 3: would have had Daniel Jones the season. He still is

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Speaker 3: under contract for next year on the rookie deal, and

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Speaker 3: he has a fifth year team option after that, So

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Speaker 3: you know, even with Richardson's you know, arc again, just

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Speaker 3: play out a hypothetical. I know it sounds ludicrous, but

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Speaker 3: if he were having a great season, the financial books

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Speaker 3: for the Colts were not accounting for this, whereas now

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Speaker 3: the Daniel Jones season, you've got to pay him. Now,

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Speaker 3: now you can slap the tag on him for one

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Speaker 3: year and whatever it is, forty million.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there's any chance, Kevin, do you think

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Speaker 1: there's any chance that Chris Ballard and Shane Steichen are

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01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:56,160
Speaker 1: saying to themselves this is wonderful, but before we commit

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Speaker 1: multi years at high price tag, we still need to

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01:49:59,360 --> 01:50:01,880
Speaker 1: be proven a little more. Or do you think they

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Speaker 1: have they have the conclusion.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think they're very very comfortable with that.

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Speaker 3: But one thing we know about Ballard, I mean he

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Speaker 3: has always been a big deadlines, deadlines dead you know,

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Speaker 3: deadlines per action, So I don't you know, I think

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01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:20,559
Speaker 3: they are very comfortable with them. But Daniel Jones has

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01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:23,080
Speaker 3: some injury history and you probably just want to see

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01:50:23,120 --> 01:50:25,559
Speaker 3: the entire season play out and not rush to anything.

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Speaker 3: And you know, if you want to look at it,

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Speaker 3: right now, their contract, you guys are playing pretty good football,

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Speaker 3: many of them. Alec Pierce, Nick Cross, Daniel Jones. I

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Speaker 3: think Brandon Smith's playing good football, Yeah for sure, you know,

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Speaker 3: outside of probably Quitty pay and I don't know, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm missing some other ones. You know, I think their contract.

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Speaker 3: You guys are having some pretty good seasons. So again,

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01:50:45,040 --> 01:50:47,160
Speaker 3: making all of that work, putting all the puzzle together,

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Speaker 3: it's probably the most financial questions I've had Pults in

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Speaker 3: regards to quality players with extensions in quite some time.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, Kevin, Alec Pierce becomes interesting. And

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Speaker 1: let me tell you why. Alec Pierce has kind of

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Speaker 1: redefined himself in terms of what kind of receiver he

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Speaker 1: can be, because we know, going into the air, it

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Speaker 1: was like, Alec Pierce is your deep ball threat.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: He is obviously shown now a versatility of where he

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Speaker 1: can make plays getting the ball he doesn't you don't

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Speaker 1: have to wait on him to get you know, twenty

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Speaker 1: yards deep. Right. That may in fact make him appealing

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Speaker 1: to a wider array of NFL teams that could come

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Speaker 1: and make him an offer and thus up his price

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01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:33,960
Speaker 1: tag even more. Right, So he becomes another one that's

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01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:36,639
Speaker 1: kind of slippery in terms of trying to navigate through

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Speaker 1: how the numbers crunch across the board. Is that fair

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Speaker 1: to say?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's going to be highly coveted. I

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Speaker 3: think the contract will surprise some people. And I also

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Speaker 3: think we have to keep in mind Michael Pittman Junior

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Speaker 3: signed an extension two years ago for just three years

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Speaker 3: for a reason. He wanted to hit the open market again.

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Speaker 3: He wanted to Terry McLaurin it. I mean remember back

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Speaker 3: in August when Terry mca lauren, you know, had signed

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Speaker 3: that you know, shorter deal. He wants to You know,

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Speaker 3: it's tough for NFL guys to really cash in on

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01:52:08,320 --> 01:52:11,760
Speaker 3: three deals, your rookie deal, the second contract, and the

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Speaker 3: third one. But that was the game that Pittman wanted

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Speaker 3: to play. And you know, it looks like a very

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01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:19,680
Speaker 3: nice contract right now for the Colts, and it has been.

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Speaker 3: But his thought was, hey, you know, it'll be two

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01:52:22,920 --> 01:52:25,840
Speaker 3: years and then I'll have the opportunity to try and

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01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:28,160
Speaker 3: get a third one. Well that's this off season. So

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01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:31,800
Speaker 3: you know, is there any sort of debate that you know,

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01:52:31,880 --> 01:52:34,080
Speaker 3: again an Ady Mitchell situation where I plays into it

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Speaker 3: two of Hey, it's an either or with Pierce or Pittman.

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Speaker 3: I think these are all sorts of conversations that they

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01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:43,600
Speaker 3: could very well and need to have.

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Speaker 1: You know, Kevin, it goes back to and you and

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Speaker 1: I've talked about it going on the way back. But

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01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:51,479
Speaker 1: when Lance Stevenson became a free agent with the Pacers

2215
01:52:51,560 --> 01:52:54,439
Speaker 1: and he took the deal with Charlotte that was less money,

2216
01:52:54,479 --> 01:52:56,759
Speaker 1: and everybody thought he was an idiot. But the reason

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01:52:56,840 --> 01:52:59,000
Speaker 1: that was is because of the years on it, because

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01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:02,040
Speaker 1: he wanted to go back into free agency in a

2219
01:53:02,120 --> 01:53:04,760
Speaker 1: collective bargaining year where the new TV money came in.

2220
01:53:04,920 --> 01:53:07,799
Speaker 1: He'd gambled on himself and lost there. But yes, players

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01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:10,559
Speaker 1: do think about years on a contract as well as

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01:53:10,720 --> 01:53:13,800
Speaker 1: the numbers on the contract. All right, last question, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: World Series getting underway tonight.

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01:53:15,439 --> 01:53:18,640
Speaker 3: You were rooting for which, Oh you can't root for

2225
01:53:18,720 --> 01:53:21,040
Speaker 3: the Dodgers, right y.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've been a diary Blue Jays fan now

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01:53:24,840 --> 01:53:26,800
Speaker 1: for going on eight weeks. I was a huge fan

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01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:28,519
Speaker 1: of the eighties. I was all on board in the

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01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:30,519
Speaker 1: early nineties in college. I still have the hat for

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01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:33,080
Speaker 1: the ninety three World Series. I'm all in, Kevin, I'm

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01:53:33,120 --> 01:53:33,439
Speaker 1: all in.

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Speaker 3: Was that the hat and that's a compliment. It was

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Speaker 3: that the hat you were wearing earlier this week.

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Speaker 1: I have two. I have the the white paneled, the

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01:53:41,600 --> 01:53:43,439
Speaker 1: literally the ninety three one that has the ninety three

2236
01:53:43,479 --> 01:53:45,200
Speaker 1: World Series, and then I have an all blue one

2237
01:53:45,280 --> 01:53:47,320
Speaker 1: with a blue Blue Jay on it. So I think

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01:53:47,400 --> 01:53:48,800
Speaker 1: the second one is the one that you saw me

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01:53:48,880 --> 01:53:50,200
Speaker 1: wearing if you were looking on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you look, you look good.

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Speaker 2: It might have been the hat that Scott Johnston was

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01:53:55,080 --> 01:53:57,120
Speaker 2: wearing today, keV. I don't know if you saw Scotty

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01:53:57,200 --> 01:53:57,360
Speaker 2: or not.

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01:53:57,560 --> 01:53:59,160
Speaker 1: Scotty never wears the same hat twice.

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01:53:59,800 --> 01:54:03,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, Scotty look great per usually. But yes, fly Blue

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01:54:03,720 --> 01:54:04,920
Speaker 3: Jays fly or whatever.

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01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:05,400
Speaker 1: That that's right.

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01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:07,640
Speaker 2: Should we actually be rooting for the Dodgers because if

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01:54:07,680 --> 01:54:09,200
Speaker 2: they win, they may not feel inclined to go out

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Speaker 2: and spend money to get some of these top free

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Speaker 2: agents because if they lose.

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Speaker 1: You know, here's the thing. The funny thing is the

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01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:16,400
Speaker 1: Blue Jays are the fifth highest payroll in baseball, the

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01:54:16,840 --> 01:54:19,200
Speaker 1: young plucky Blue Jays that have the fifth highest payroll.

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Speaker 1: So it's not like it's but yes, everything is minuscule

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01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:25,000
Speaker 1: compared to the Dodgers payroll, no question, All right, Kevin

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01:54:25,080 --> 01:54:27,720
Speaker 1: enjoy the weekend, all right, have a great weekend, guys.

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01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:29,840
Speaker 1: Kevin Bowen joining us on the program. It's a Friday,

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Speaker 1: it's the bottom of the hour. You know what that means?

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Speaker 1: Got a good one locked up? About Huey Lewis? What's thatwis?

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Speaker 1: H Lewis indeed a heart of rock and roll and

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Speaker 1: a Franciscan health feel good good for the herd Friday next.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned it earlier this week, but Will Carroll and

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Speaker 1: I have a great uh well, I mean a friendship

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01:54:53,120 --> 01:54:56,840
Speaker 1: obviously with Will Carroll, great dude, the injury expert. And

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01:54:57,640 --> 01:55:00,120
Speaker 1: but I appreciated yesterday Will Carroll reaching out to me

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01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:05,240
Speaker 1: and saying, hey, congratulations on your five year anniversary. That

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01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:09,280
Speaker 1: is quite that's a big one for the five year

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01:55:10,040 --> 01:55:13,000
Speaker 1: And you know, I mentioned it obviously in this week

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Speaker 1: was when it was the five year mark of when

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Speaker 1: I'd had my heart attack. But Will, I knew could

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Speaker 1: relate to that because he is at year twelve, about

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Speaker 1: to celebrate thirteen years and celebrates maybe the wrong word

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Speaker 1: but not really since his so you know, and I

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Speaker 1: texted him back and said, yeah, man, I appreciate that

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Speaker 1: because I know you get it. The one year was

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01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:34,200
Speaker 1: really for me, a pretty emotional thing, and then after

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01:55:34,280 --> 01:55:37,080
Speaker 1: that it's just kind of been, you know, almost like, man,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe it's been that long.

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Speaker 5: But the.

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Speaker 1: Stories that I hear and the people that reach out

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01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:48,240
Speaker 1: to me about different things since then are greatly appreciated.

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01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:50,640
Speaker 1: And one of those is people that let me know

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Speaker 1: that they got a heart scan. As a matter of fact,

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01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:54,440
Speaker 1: in talking to my doctor about it on my five

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Speaker 1: year he was like, yeah, man, the heart scans are

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Speaker 1: so important and just forty nine dollars, right, forty nine

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Speaker 1: dollars heart scan from Franciscan Health the affordable heart scan

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Speaker 1: that you can self refer. You can pay out a pocket.

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Speaker 1: You also get a free heart health risk assessment, so

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Speaker 1: a roadmap towards cardiovascular health for you. With the heart scan,

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Speaker 1: it is not invasive, it is super easy. They take

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Speaker 1: like fifteen minutes, so there's no reason to not get one,

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Speaker 1: especially if you are over the age of forty and

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Speaker 1: you are diabetic, or you were a smoker at one time,

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Speaker 1: where you still are, you've had obesity, diabetes, I think

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Speaker 1: I'm into diabetic. Any of that very important and the

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Speaker 1: number one heart program in Indiana for cardiology by health grades.

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Speaker 1: have any questions, simply google Franciscan Health heart scans and

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Speaker 1: you will see it.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: The fact is I have mentioned each and every time

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Speaker 1: I do this admittedly that I feel the need to

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Speaker 1: share the importance of cardiovascular health. What I went through

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01:57:12,320 --> 01:57:15,880
Speaker 1: five years ago is why I do it right. And

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Speaker 1: I saw somebody pointed out to me this week a

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01:57:18,720 --> 01:57:22,440
Speaker 1: story that immediately resonated, and it came full circle for me,

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Speaker 1: especially with it being this week. You know, I grew

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Speaker 1: up on the north side of Indianapolis, and so by

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Speaker 1: growing up on the north side, a lot of my

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Speaker 1: friends live on the north side and now certainly in

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Speaker 1: the Donut counties. So I'm aware of you know, Westfield

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01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:40,160
Speaker 1: and Noblesville and Fishers and Hamilton Southeastern, you know those

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Speaker 1: schools in particular, and the sports that go on, and

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01:57:44,960 --> 01:57:47,720
Speaker 1: so therefore it came to my attention this week. Hey,

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Speaker 1: Jake like, here's a really cool story and I said,

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Speaker 1: what's that? And they said, did you hear about what

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01:57:52,680 --> 01:57:55,800
Speaker 1: happened with Westfield in volleyball? And I do love volleyball

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01:57:55,840 --> 01:57:58,040
Speaker 1: the Indian Night. I loved going to their games last

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01:57:58,120 --> 01:57:59,880
Speaker 1: year with look forward to doing that again this winter.

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Speaker 1: And volleyball is a massively popular sport here in Indiana

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01:58:04,200 --> 01:58:07,960
Speaker 1: and continues to grow in popularity and high school sports

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01:58:08,040 --> 01:58:12,520
Speaker 1: in general, and the IHSAA teach so many important things

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Speaker 1: about what we talk about on the show sometimes, but

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Speaker 1: notably perseverance and just setting a goal and continuing to

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Speaker 1: come back towards a goal. And in the case of Westfield,

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Speaker 1: they were going up into the sectional finals against Hamilton Southeastern.

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Speaker 1: So you've got this north Side Donut County Hamilton County rivalry, right,

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Speaker 1: But it's not really a rivalry because Hamilton Southeastern is

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Speaker 1: in the midst of as they were getting set to

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Speaker 1: play in the sectional finals twenty game win streak against Westfield.

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Speaker 1: So Hamilton Southeastern had won twenty straight against Westfield, including

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Speaker 1: last year in the sectionals. So here is Westfield trying

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Speaker 1: to put together this great season, trying to example for

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Speaker 1: Audrey Bassett, who is their senior outside hitter trying to

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Speaker 1: do what they've not been able to do in the

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Speaker 1: last twenty times that they played the Royals, and that's

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Speaker 1: Goetna win. And Audrey Bassett is the outside hitter, and

2343
01:59:10,040 --> 01:59:14,880
Speaker 1: she's in this match, and she begins to think about

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01:59:15,880 --> 01:59:20,360
Speaker 1: why that's important, above and beyond the perseverance and the

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01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:26,200
Speaker 1: goal of overcoming an obstacle that's been there. And for Audrey,

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01:59:26,880 --> 01:59:30,840
Speaker 1: who had twelve kills, she had a block, she did

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01:59:30,920 --> 01:59:33,880
Speaker 1: not have airs upon receipt of any balls that came

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Speaker 1: her way in the match, in lifting Westfield to the

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Speaker 1: sectional championship and ending the drought against Hamilton Southeastern, in

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01:59:43,480 --> 01:59:48,240
Speaker 1: ending that losing streak. Audrey, as her team is celebrating,

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Speaker 1: and as her younger sisters are watching, and they are

2352
01:59:53,440 --> 01:59:59,280
Speaker 1: enjoying and celebrating this moment, Audrey, like probably many in

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01:59:59,360 --> 02:00:05,760
Speaker 1: the crowd, inevitably gets emotional. And she inevitably gets emotional,

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Speaker 1: one would assume, because it is the goal of any

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Speaker 1: young athlete when your parents in particular are involved and

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Speaker 1: dedicated in teaching you a sport and teaching you a

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Speaker 1: craft and in coaching it, you want to do the

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Speaker 1: best for him. You want to do the best for him,

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Speaker 1: and especially when you're a senior, and especially in a rivalry,

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Speaker 1: and especially in lifting your teammates to a place and

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Speaker 1: playing Belmont now in the regionals for the girls volleyball

2362
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Speaker 1: state tournament that Westfield hasn't been to in your tenure.

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Speaker 1: But she also gets emotional because she thinks about the

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Speaker 1: fact that her father, who coached her and who had

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Speaker 1: worked so hard in teaching volleyball to she and her

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Speaker 1: younger sister Gabby, and you know, all three of the girls,

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Speaker 1: I believe Caroline is the youngest age. I apologize if

2368
02:00:56,520 --> 02:01:02,440
Speaker 1: I got that name wrong. But last year, when Audrey

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02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:05,120
Speaker 1: was a junior and they lost in the sectionals, she

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02:01:05,280 --> 02:01:07,560
Speaker 1: thought to herself, well, you know, we'll get another chance.

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Speaker 1: And her dad had taught her that, Billy Bassett, because

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Speaker 1: that is what he taught as a volleyball coach, and

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Speaker 1: he himself is the one that introduced his daughters to

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Speaker 1: the game. But a week after that disappointment, a year ago,

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Speaker 1: Billy unexpectedly passed away, and so Audrey goes out as

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Speaker 1: a senior and says, I'm going to play not just

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Speaker 1: for myself, not just for my sisters, not just for

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Speaker 1: my teammates, but I'm going to play because it's what

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Speaker 1: my dad would want me to continue to do. And

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Speaker 1: I love this quote and it hit home with me

2381
02:01:47,080 --> 02:01:51,280
Speaker 1: when I went then and watched a video of Audrey

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02:01:51,600 --> 02:01:55,800
Speaker 1: at the Indianapolis Star when she was interviewed after that win,

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Speaker 1: and she was getting emotional in the interview with her teammates,

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02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:03,320
Speaker 1: and she was asked by the Indianapolis Star why the emotion,

2385
02:02:03,480 --> 02:02:06,640
Speaker 1: and she said, that's exactly the answer, and I'm paraphrasing,

2386
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Speaker 1: I'm emotional because of my why. My why is my

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Speaker 1: dad and the dedication to him and the ability to

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02:02:17,240 --> 02:02:20,280
Speaker 1: dig down a little bit deeper. Just when it felt

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02:02:20,360 --> 02:02:22,960
Speaker 1: like we were finally at the ceiling because we were

2390
02:02:23,040 --> 02:02:25,120
Speaker 1: going into a game over a team that we've not

2391
02:02:25,280 --> 02:02:29,480
Speaker 1: beaten in twenty straight games. We're going into uncharted territory here.

2392
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Speaker 1: But what is my why and my why on why

2393
02:02:34,760 --> 02:02:38,800
Speaker 1: I do this is because of the inspiration and the

2394
02:02:38,920 --> 02:02:43,280
Speaker 1: dedication to my dad, and they get the win, and

2395
02:02:43,440 --> 02:02:48,040
Speaker 1: her why becomes the how how she did it and

2396
02:02:48,200 --> 02:02:52,200
Speaker 1: those sorts of things in sport. We talked to Alex

2397
02:02:52,320 --> 02:02:56,280
Speaker 1: Corp earlier today, and I was talking to Alex, whose

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Speaker 1: parents both are Holocaust survivors, and his father today turns

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Speaker 1: one hundred years old, and his mother, Eva Kor talked

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Speaker 1: about the importance of forgiveness and if you really were

2401
02:03:07,240 --> 02:03:09,120
Speaker 1: to think about it and listen to what Alex had

2402
02:03:09,160 --> 02:03:11,200
Speaker 1: to say. When he was talking about his mother and

2403
02:03:11,360 --> 02:03:16,120
Speaker 1: her role in teaching forgiveness and forgiving Nazis for the Holocaust,

2404
02:03:16,600 --> 02:03:19,480
Speaker 1: it was because there was something inside of her that

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02:03:19,720 --> 02:03:22,800
Speaker 1: she was looking for a reason to go on and

2406
02:03:22,920 --> 02:03:26,000
Speaker 1: a why. Why does she need to do these things?

2407
02:03:26,160 --> 02:03:29,120
Speaker 1: And it was to liberate her a little bit from

2408
02:03:29,280 --> 02:03:32,240
Speaker 1: the things that were weighing her down. So all of

2409
02:03:32,360 --> 02:03:35,880
Speaker 1: us have without even thinking about it, what our why is?

2410
02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:41,560
Speaker 1: What is your why? Why are you going about a

2411
02:03:41,720 --> 02:03:46,720
Speaker 1: challenge that other people wouldn't take on? Why are you

2412
02:03:46,840 --> 02:03:50,480
Speaker 1: going the extra mile? What is it that inspires and

2413
02:03:50,560 --> 02:03:53,480
Speaker 1: drives you? And in the case of Audrey and in

2414
02:03:53,560 --> 02:03:57,400
Speaker 1: the case of the Westfield girls volleyball team, I congratulate

2415
02:03:57,480 --> 02:03:59,520
Speaker 1: them on turning the why into how. It's how they

2416
02:03:59,560 --> 02:04:02,080
Speaker 1: got it done, and it's how. Now they go onto

2417
02:04:02,120 --> 02:04:04,520
Speaker 1: the regionals and they take on Belmont and I wish

2418
02:04:04,600 --> 02:04:06,720
Speaker 1: them the best of luck. And in addition to that,

2419
02:04:07,320 --> 02:04:12,240
Speaker 1: Billy Bassett, there is the Billy Bassett Scholarship Fund, which

2420
02:04:12,400 --> 02:04:14,800
Speaker 1: raises money towards other girls that are going to go

2421
02:04:14,880 --> 02:04:17,680
Speaker 1: on to try to learn the game of volleyball and

2422
02:04:17,880 --> 02:04:21,800
Speaker 1: find their own why. And so I congratulate them, I

2423
02:04:21,880 --> 02:04:24,480
Speaker 1: wish them the best of luck, and I thank them

2424
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Speaker 1: for bringing a story that was in fact close to

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Speaker 1: eight zero six eight eight. John is out of Gigi's

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Speaker 1: up on the northeast side, and we will hand it

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Speaker 1: off to him as part of the crossover brought to

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Speaker 1: asks on the text line two three nine ten seventy,

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, has mister Garret Grrison actually declared who he's

2436
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Speaker 1: rooting for in the World Series?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Good question, Yes I have.

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Speaker 1: That would be which.

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Speaker 2: That would be the Toronto Blue Jays. I told you that,

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Speaker 2: and I said, sorry, Mom, because Mom's rooting for the Dodgers.

2442
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Speaker 1: We realize the Dodgers represent what people don't like, but

2443
02:05:17,800 --> 02:05:20,080
Speaker 1: they're pretty likable. I mean, Mookie Betts is a very

2444
02:05:20,120 --> 02:05:24,480
Speaker 1: likable player. Freddie Freeman's a likable guy. He's awesome, you know.

2445
02:05:24,640 --> 02:05:26,200
Speaker 1: Clayton Kershaw has always been a good dude.

2446
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Speaker 2: Otani's another one.

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Speaker 1: Otani's how do you not like him? Those uniforms are

2448
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Speaker 1: classic looking, but I get it. And again I'm rooting

2449
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Speaker 1: for the Blue Jays. But it is the fifth highest

2450
02:05:35,120 --> 02:05:37,640
Speaker 1: payroll in Major League Baseball. This is not exactly like

2451
02:05:37,720 --> 02:05:40,600
Speaker 1: the pauper versus the rich. The one guy can't stand.

2452
02:05:40,480 --> 02:05:41,240
Speaker 2: Is Dave Roberts.

2453
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Speaker 1: I get that, I get it. Yeah, joining us now.

2454
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Speaker 1: He is out at Gig's on the Northeast Side, awesome place.

2455
02:05:48,880 --> 02:05:53,040
Speaker 1: JMV getting set for a preview of the weekend that

2456
02:05:53,200 --> 02:05:56,200
Speaker 1: is and John. The reality is, and I let off

2457
02:05:56,240 --> 02:05:58,280
Speaker 1: the show by talking about this earlier. I mean literally,

2458
02:05:59,280 --> 02:06:01,680
Speaker 1: in the three hour that I'm on the air, more

2459
02:06:01,800 --> 02:06:04,840
Speaker 1: information comes in about this NBA gambling thing. It's like this,

2460
02:06:05,280 --> 02:06:07,280
Speaker 1: It's almost like a tidal wave right of new players

2461
02:06:07,320 --> 02:06:11,320
Speaker 1: that are involved. The reality is, this is just going

2462
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Speaker 1: to lead to a NonStop scrutiny of the purity of

2463
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Speaker 1: injuries and guys missing time, and that's one of the

2464
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Speaker 1: unfortunate byproducts of this.

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Speaker 7: Yeah it is.

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Speaker 6: And then you have a game like last night where

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Speaker 6: you know, I'm going to probably complain about all the

2468
02:06:28,720 --> 02:06:32,560
Speaker 6: whistles that SGA got last night, and yeah, it does

2469
02:06:32,600 --> 02:06:34,320
Speaker 6: it in the grand scheme of things, have a damn

2470
02:06:34,360 --> 02:06:36,760
Speaker 6: thing to do with the storyline you mentioned right here.

2471
02:06:37,000 --> 02:06:39,040
Speaker 6: It just is the fact you had three nerds out

2472
02:06:39,080 --> 02:06:41,320
Speaker 6: there with whistles in their mouth, and those three nerds

2473
02:06:41,360 --> 02:06:44,600
Speaker 6: I can't stand and they kind officiated the way that

2474
02:06:44,680 --> 02:06:47,320
Speaker 6: three nerds would officiate a basketball game last night has

2475
02:06:47,440 --> 02:06:51,160
Speaker 6: nothing to do with yeah, thank you, with what's going

2476
02:06:51,240 --> 02:06:54,120
Speaker 6: on on the outside. But yeah, people are going to

2477
02:06:54,400 --> 02:06:58,280
Speaker 6: certainly mix the two, thank you very much, and we're

2478
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Speaker 6: going to be moving from there.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing, fortunately, listen and I get the fact

2480
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Speaker 1: that shake Gilgess Alexander. It's the way he is the

2481
02:07:07,960 --> 02:07:10,360
Speaker 1: master at putting his body in position with his mid

2482
02:07:10,480 --> 02:07:12,280
Speaker 1: range stop and pull up. And I think, guys, you

2483
02:07:12,320 --> 02:07:15,400
Speaker 1: know Jaris Walker for example, Yeah, falls for it and

2484
02:07:16,400 --> 02:07:21,480
Speaker 1: what and I understand this also he uses his forearm

2485
02:07:21,600 --> 02:07:25,000
Speaker 1: to get that separation initially, and that's probably what should

2486
02:07:25,000 --> 02:07:27,080
Speaker 1: be called, or if you are going to call it

2487
02:07:27,160 --> 02:07:29,720
Speaker 1: the way you did against the Pacers. I do think

2488
02:07:29,760 --> 02:07:33,400
Speaker 1: they were legitimate fouls more often than not, but Oklahoma

2489
02:07:33,480 --> 02:07:36,680
Speaker 1: City and Dort in particular, seemingly gets away with more

2490
02:07:36,720 --> 02:07:38,360
Speaker 1: defensively on the other side, and I think that's what

2491
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Speaker 1: bothers people.

2492
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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 6: The thing I have is, I think once you go

2494
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Speaker 6: there like these three dorks last night, I think Josh

2495
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Speaker 6: Tivens has won.

2496
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Speaker 1: I can't stand him three door.

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Speaker 6: They were making the calls, you get yourself in a

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Speaker 6: position where you end up having to call absolutely everything,

2499
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Speaker 6: right because if you if you start out with a

2500
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Speaker 6: whistle where you're giving him everything, then you're going to

2501
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Speaker 6: have to call everything. I'm not suggesting he doesn't get fault,

2502
02:08:02,240 --> 02:08:04,360
Speaker 6: because he did. You mentioned the Jaris Walker moment and

2503
02:08:04,400 --> 02:08:06,160
Speaker 6: a couple of different times the Pacers got up in

2504
02:08:06,200 --> 02:08:07,520
Speaker 6: the air and they made contact.

2505
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Speaker 1: That's legitimate.

2506
02:08:08,800 --> 02:08:12,680
Speaker 6: But you start yourself out in terms of officiating by

2507
02:08:13,080 --> 02:08:16,000
Speaker 6: calling the stuff that you really shouldn't be calling, and

2508
02:08:16,080 --> 02:08:17,720
Speaker 6: then you're in a position in which you have to

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Speaker 6: blow the whistle.

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Speaker 1: On that the entire It's just like in baseball, right,

2511
02:08:20,800 --> 02:08:23,120
Speaker 1: they screw themselves. You know, it's like in baseball now

2512
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Speaker 1: with the umpcams where you see like one, one guy

2513
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Speaker 1: getting a strikeout looking in the eighth and then you

2514
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Speaker 1: go back and look at it and go But that's

2515
02:08:30,760 --> 02:08:32,640
Speaker 1: the exact same pitch that was called a ball in

2516
02:08:32,720 --> 02:08:35,120
Speaker 1: the fifth. You want consistency right from the get go.

2517
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Speaker 1: You want to know what where you are in terms

2518
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Speaker 1: of what is going to be called and what's not.

2519
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Speaker 1: What's lined up in the big show today.

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Speaker 6: H right, buddy, We've got Bob Lovell high school Football

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Speaker 6: by of the hour, Joey Erickson of the Star, Titans

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Speaker 6: Colts coming up. We got Mike Wells ESPN Radio coming up,

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Speaker 6: Voice of the Hoosiers, Don Fisher's going to be here,

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Speaker 6: Titans Colts tickets and do you know this place? Well,

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Speaker 6: I have the lovely, the talented Anne Richards, oh b

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Speaker 6: one O five point seven here with us too. Look

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Speaker 6: at you all right over here.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome, join up there right just off for benefit.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting her family. I'm getting her family hammered over here. Hopefully,

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Speaker 1: don't mind I'm a bad influence.

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Speaker 6: Jake, All right, fair enough seventy first off, right, yes,

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Speaker 6: you gotta buddy.

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Speaker 1: All right, we will throw it out to John in

2534
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Speaker 1: just a couple of minutes. Our score prediction, Eddie yours

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Speaker 1: for Sunday.

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Speaker 2: I'm going Colts big here. I am going Colts thirty

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Speaker 2: four Titans ten.

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Speaker 1: Oh dude, I was gonna say thirty four nine. I

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Speaker 1: could I literally kid you know, I was gonna say

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Speaker 1: thirty four nine. I gave them a petty touchdown. All right,

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Speaker 1: I'll go thirty two to nine. How's that thirty two

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Speaker 1: to nine. I don't see anyway that. I mean, will

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Speaker 1: it be that big? I don't know, but I don't

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Speaker 1: see how the Colts don't win. But that's why they

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Speaker 1: play the games on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: You know, Vegas has them at thirty and a half

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Speaker 2: talking about the Colts team total, and they have the

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Speaker 2: Titans at I think it was ten and a half.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll be again. Feels like the bye week. This

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Speaker 1: is Alabama against Kannesas State. All right, we'll be back

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Speaker 1: talking about it on Monday. And I thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for listening to a query company