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Speaker 2: The governor for the Great State of Indiana is Governor

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Speaker 2: Mike Brown. So the million dollar question is special session

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Speaker 2: or not. We're hearing stories this morning, our news partners

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Speaker 3: You're a betting man, what do you think the odds are?

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Speaker 3: That's what I asked.

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Speaker 2: He asked me that earlier, fifty to fifty, because I

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Speaker 3: Is there is there?

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Speaker 1: Like when jd. Vance, the Vice President of the United States,

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Speaker 4: I'd say, there's a thing called let's say extrapolated. You

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Speaker 4: Almost throughout the country, California's got the only number of

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Speaker 4: But our closest counterparts, Massachusetts, they've had little bluer than

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Speaker 1: Did you sit down face to face with the Vice President?

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Speaker 4: I did when he was in here the last time

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you had mentioned on our program before that there's

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Speaker 4: We're still in good shape there and that to get

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Speaker 3: They're going to get persuaded.

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Speaker 4: A place where the grass route voters are interested in it,

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Speaker 5: There's a lot I'm sorry, go ahead.

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Speaker 4: So it would probably end up with nine competitive districts

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Speaker 4: And Democrats across the country are less popular than Republicans,

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Speaker 4: And I think by and large the state economy is

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Speaker 4: Out in Brownsburg one point six million square foot logistics

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Speaker 4: With jobs in Indiana, wages are actually better than where

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Speaker 2: Because a lot of people will say, Okay, adding jobs

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Speaker 5: How are the real wages doing?

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Speaker 4: The wages since we've been in office have gone from

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Speaker 3: That's a big jump.

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Speaker 3: In your office?

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Speaker 4: Lot of times that would have been the dynamic. And

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Speaker 4: And when you look at why they want to do it,

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Speaker 2: Governor, did you get the impression that the White House

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Speaker 4: Well, I think they're making the that this is important

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Speaker 2: How was that event last night down in Bloomington with

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Speaker 4: Well, I had time to revisit with Tucker and we

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Speaker 4: we've not been very voiceful for it. Charlie presented that

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Speaker 5: Last thing here.

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Speaker 2: We want to be respectful of your time, but I

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Speaker 4: So we made that again very open. I think we

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Speaker 3: We will narrow it down.

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Speaker 4: There has to be a Democrat and two Republicans among that.

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Speaker 4: That's a commission that has to be have some balance politically.

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Speaker 4: So we got a lot of good choices to chew.

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Speaker 4: Who's among well, me, throw my ring, my name in

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Speaker 1: All right, never mind forget I asked a question.

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Speaker 4: So this is one issue that I don't think has

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Speaker 4: You've got five monopolies that run most of the electric

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Speaker 4: the r E MC's little difference there, but in general,

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Speaker 4: rate payers across the state have felt what many others

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Speaker 4: have with Biden's inflation and the fact that we've probably

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Speaker 4: for rate payers. And first thing I could do to

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Speaker 4: weigh in on that was Abby Gray for the OUCC

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Speaker 4: customer Consumer counselor, and you know what she recommended on

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Speaker 4: the a EES. You're not getting an increase. We think

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Speaker 4: you ought to decrease rates.

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Speaker 5: And although ES is still trying to raise up rates.

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Speaker 4: But that doesn't happen until the iu r C would

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Speaker 4: agree to it. You've seen when there's been some discussion

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Speaker 4: among city politicians weighing in on it, and I think

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Speaker 4: now there's a courus generally that will reflect that and

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Speaker 4: the iu r C will be the eventual arbiters.

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Speaker 3: Of it have to make the decision.

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Speaker 4: And I hope to get a commission balanced with rate

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Speaker 4: payers getting as much interest.

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Speaker 3: In what happens as what utilities have in the past.

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Speaker 2: Have you had any conversations with anybody at AEES or

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Speaker 2: even maybe black Rock if they are going to finalize

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Speaker 4: Because they know that there's a different dynamic out there,

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Speaker 4: not to mention data centers and all of that. You know,

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Speaker 4: we just had the dust up on one trying to

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Speaker 4: go in on the east side of Indy, so there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of complicated dynamics there. But I think even

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Speaker 4: there you're going to have the people that do do

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Speaker 4: data centers are going to be paying for their electric generation,

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Speaker 4: hopefully adding some to the grid. They're all well healed

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Speaker 4: that want to do it. Rate Payers need relief, and

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Speaker 4: you start there by getting a commission. It's going to

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Speaker 4: be paying attention to their needs.

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Speaker 2: Governor, thank you so much for coming by. We always

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Speaker 2: appreciate your time and we appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: You're very welcome, happy to do it.

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Speaker 5: It's the Hammer and Nigel Show.