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Speaker 1: Tony Katz today. Well, welcome back everybody. I am Andrew

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Speaker 1: Langer in for Tony Katz today. By the way, I

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Speaker 1: meant to say this yesterday. Don't even get a chance

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Speaker 1: to if you like what you hear here on Tony

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Speaker 1: Kats today, you know I do my policy work for CEPAC,

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Speaker 1: do some media work there as well. Alluditude in our

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Speaker 1: conversation with Scotty Hughes, both the director of the Center

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Speaker 1: gonna be talking with Tom Schatz a little bit about

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Speaker 1: some of the CHASM work. Also within this hour, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be talking with Lawrence Stewart from AFP and Concerned

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Speaker 1: Veterans of America about healthcare policy. But I also I

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Speaker 1: also do a podcast for an outlet called the Federal Newswire.

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Speaker 1: It's called The Lunch Hour at the Lunch Hour the

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Speaker 1: call it. Brand new episode dropped yesterday. If you're a

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Speaker 1: fan of Little House on the Prairie and I know

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Speaker 1: you are fan of Little House on the Prairie. I

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Speaker 1: sat down this week in a special, very special Christmas

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Speaker 1: episode of the Lunch Hour podcast to talk with Dean Butler,

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Speaker 1: who played Almonzo Wilder on Little House on the Prairie.

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Speaker 1: We talk about the enduring legacy. They've got a new

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Speaker 1: documentary out about Little House and specifically about folks who

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Speaker 1: that out the Lunch Hour podcast that I do at

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Speaker 1: so we had some big news yesterday, and I know

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Speaker 2: As Commander in chief, it is my great honor to

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Speaker 2: to begin the construction of two brand new, very low

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Speaker 4: today and for generations to come. This new class, these

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Speaker 4: for centuries, the American people will look back and thank

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Speaker 1: We can all join each other on this Christmas Eve,

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Speaker 6: You know that there were a lot of working class people.

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Speaker 3: Number one, she calls them tact subsidies, which I think

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Speaker 3: Work is billions of dollars from the United States treasuries

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Speaker 1: Right, what works for.

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Speaker 3: the rules. And right now, in American healthcare, there's about

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Speaker 3: five large insurers that have all of the money in healthcare,

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Speaker 3: and they make the rules we need to do.

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Speaker 1: In most states, it's two insurance companies that have like

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Speaker 1: eighty percent of the.

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Speaker 3: Market right, absolutely, especially blue states where the health insurance

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Speaker 3: market has become super consolidated. I grew up in Massachusetts.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly how it is in there. There's little to

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Speaker 3: no options there, and it's even more dismal than the

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Speaker 3: regular ACA.

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Speaker 1: We're talking with Lauren Stewart. She's the senior legislative affairs

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Speaker 1: liaison for Americans for Prosperity. She also does work for

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Speaker 1: Concerned Veterans of America. I mean, would one of the

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Speaker 1: simplest fixes here would be to allow allow for the

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Speaker 1: use of this money for HSA's health savings accounts, which

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Speaker 1: has pretty much been restricted via the Obamacare the various

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Speaker 1: Obamacare penalties that are out there. I mean, that's a

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Speaker 1: very simple and straightforward fix. How would that impact this marketplace?

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Speaker 3: Well, anything that you use your health savings account for,

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Speaker 3: you can already consider that you're getting it at a

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Speaker 3: fifteen to twenty percent discount. Additionally, when you call somewhere

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Speaker 3: and say you are self pay for something like an

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Speaker 3: authorization from an insurance you're able to get access to

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Speaker 3: care much quicker. So the cost and quality of healthcare

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Speaker 3: instantly goes up, especially you know, for regular focus on

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Speaker 3: private insurance. But if you're someone who's enrolled in the

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Speaker 3: ACA marketplace, which by the way, is not a large

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Speaker 3: portion of the country, and that's what we're swooped up

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Speaker 3: by a lot of the healthcare debate. Really it's employees

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Speaker 3: splaonsored insurance, private insurance, independent contractors, right, that's where most

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Speaker 3: of us live. But if you are in the ACA,

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Speaker 3: an HSA is especially helpful for you because year after

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Speaker 3: year we see those marketplaces and provider networks continue to shrink.

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Speaker 3: So you're told, you know, you have less access to

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Speaker 3: these type of doctors, this specific doctor won't take this

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Speaker 3: same with Medicare Medicaid, right, So it just drastically increases

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Speaker 3: the quality of healthcare a patient or a family is

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Speaker 3: able to get and really puts you in the driver's seat.

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Speaker 3: It's something we're a grassroots organization right where in India,

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Speaker 3: where all over the place. When we talk to voters

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Speaker 3: about HSA's it's something that pold above eighty percent. And

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Speaker 3: any way we ask it, do you think all Americans

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Speaker 3: should have access to one? If they want one? Would

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Speaker 3: you think it'd be beneficial for your family. It is

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Speaker 3: the true eighty twenty issue in healthcare.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I know. I know that when you have

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Speaker 1: health goods, healthcare goods, and healthcare services that you are

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Speaker 1: paying for on the open market, it's those areas in

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Speaker 1: which you get, you know, the marketplace action of getting

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Speaker 1: things to be more innovative and greater competition.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 1: The example I like to use is, for the for

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Speaker 1: the longest time, you couldn't do laser eye surgery with

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Speaker 1: your health insurance. You would have to use some form

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Speaker 1: of a health savings account. Flex benefits account was the

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Speaker 1: one of the one of the versions of this. And

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Speaker 1: what happened is that is that the technology got better,

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Speaker 1: and the cost went down, and the services began to proliferate,

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Speaker 1: so you could find it everywhere less expensive and much

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Speaker 1: more safe. Why can't we have that, you know, apply

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Speaker 1: to other kinds of medical services. Well, part of it

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Speaker 1: is because of this this system that we have created,

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Speaker 1: isn't it.

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Speaker 3: That's absolutely right. I mean, all the benefits that we're

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Speaker 3: talking about with health saving accounts, only about fifteen percent

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Speaker 3: of the entire population in the United States right now

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Speaker 3: has the option to have a health savings account. So again,

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Speaker 3: that is the option to use your own acted managed

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Speaker 3: money to pay for qualified medical expenses. So it is

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Speaker 3: a tremendous benefit that right now is regulated out of

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Speaker 3: the hands of so many Americans because the other side

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Speaker 3: of the issue is really driving towards a single payer.

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Speaker 3: It's not driving towards a personal option. Everybody having their

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Speaker 3: HSA right is the complete opposite of a single payer.

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Speaker 3: It's millions and millions of payers. So that's the other

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Speaker 3: side of the argument, and that's where you know, things

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Speaker 3: have been caught up. But I think the President's messaging

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Speaker 3: on this and HSAS and FSAs becoming more prominent in

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Speaker 3: the marketing, the marketplace is beginning to bring this to

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Speaker 3: the forefront and it's something that's undeniable in terms of

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Speaker 3: the minds of voters.

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Speaker 1: There you go, well, listen, Lauren, how do we find

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Speaker 1: out more about the great work that you're doing for

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Speaker 1: both AFP and Concerned Veterans for America.

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Speaker 3: Yes, both causes super near and dear to my heart.

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Speaker 3: Veterans their family they want a personal option as well.

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Speaker 3: It's the reason that they served and sacrificed so much.

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Speaker 3: You can follow me on Twitter at last, Stuart says,

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Speaker 3: and for our healthcare initiatives. Go to personal option dot com.

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Speaker 1: Personal option dot com, go and check it out. Laurence Stewart,

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Speaker 1: thank your husband for his service. I'm as a as

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Speaker 1: a the spouse of a retired military member. I thank

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Speaker 1: you as well for your your spousorship while he was

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Speaker 1: on active duty. So thank you very much for that well.

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Speaker 3: Did Oh and happy holidays, Happy.

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Speaker 1: Holidays, Mary Christmas. That was Lauren Stewart. She's with Americans

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Speaker 1: for Prosperity as well as Concerned Veterans for America, she said.

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Speaker 1: y s or. If you're following me on Twitter, you'll

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Speaker 1: find her there because I tweeted her out today. When

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Speaker 1: we come back, guys, we're gonna be talking about illegals

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Speaker 1: and Sean Duffy and driver's licenses. We're gonna start going

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Speaker 1: down that road. I'm Andrew Langer. This is Tony Kats today.

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Speaker 1: You know it's it's funny. I said this yesterday. You

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Speaker 1: never knew math on the air. I did some math

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Speaker 1: on the air with one of our guests, and you don't.

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Speaker 1: Here's what else you've done too, So if you haven't

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Speaker 1: seen this. By the way, so DJ released a bunch

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Speaker 1: more Epstein documents today. And I may have said this

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago on the air, certainly when

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Speaker 1: it first came out. I there's a there's a website

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Speaker 1: his his Gmail account, and his Amazon account, than a

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Speaker 1: bunch of other things, and they have mirrored them at

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Speaker 1: this jmail dot world thing. And you can go through,

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Speaker 1: at least from from the Jeffrey Epstein emails that have

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Speaker 1: been released, you can go through them, and it is

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Speaker 1: a standing. So you know, I pulled this up because

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Speaker 1: CBS headline from a little bit ago says new Epstein

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Speaker 1: documents release and they contain thousands of references to Trump.

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Speaker 1: And that may be true. But you know, if there's

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Speaker 1: anything that comes out from these Epstein files, it's that

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein was obsessed with Donald Trump, and everybody in

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's circle was obsessed with Donald Trump. By the way,

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Speaker 1: it also underscores Steve Bennon, man, I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: know why anybody trusts Steve benn And I don't know

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Speaker 1: Steve ben And I may have met him once or twice.

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Speaker 1: I you know, I do know that you have folks

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Speaker 1: who talk about the fact that he essentially my good buddy.

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Speaker 1: Derek Hunter, who I'm in for next week, talks about how,

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Speaker 1: at least in his estimation, Steve Bennon ruined the Breitbart brand,

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Speaker 1: that he stood four square against everything that Andrew Breitbart said,

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Speaker 1: Steve Bannon all through these things, and I don't understand

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Speaker 1: how after, you know, twenty eighteen, Steve Bennon could be

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Speaker 1: anywhere near Donald Trump's inner circle. So when you see

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Speaker 1: the headline, you know, Donald Trump, thousands of Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: references in Epstein files that that of course they're making

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Speaker 1: it seem like, you know, Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: were besties. They were not. You know, you go through

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Speaker 1: and you do a search for Trump. This popped up

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Speaker 1: to me, and I know it's not where I was

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Speaker 1: going to go in all of this. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: Sean Duffy will do that, and you know, after the jump,

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Speaker 1: but you know, there's this, like here's this email. This

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Speaker 1: is from April of twenty eighteen, so Trump's first term.

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Speaker 1: It's from someone named Robert Triver's or Robert Trivers. I

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Speaker 1: don't know who Robert Trivers is. We'll get to that

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Speaker 1: in a second, because I wound up googling him. So

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Speaker 1: this is an email from Robert Trivers, who had Jeffrey

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Speaker 1: Epstein's personal Gmail account. Also sees someone named Gordon Getty,

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Speaker 1: Norman Finkelstein, and David Haig. The the the subject line

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Speaker 1: is Trump set to dine with law professor Alan Dershowitz.

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Speaker 1: So this is presumably one of the references that that

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Speaker 1: the CBS and others are trying to say is somehow

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Speaker 1: emblematic of the relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: And then you get to the meat of the letter.

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Speaker 1: The email. It's one sentence, two lines, My god, that

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Speaker 1: Jewish Nazi is joining our I'm sorry you got to

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Speaker 1: read it because it's words out My god, that Jewish

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Speaker 1: Nazi is joining to join our narcissistic psychopath for dinner.

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Speaker 1: How appropriate. So this guy, Robert S. Triver's, is calling

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Speaker 1: Alan Dershowitz a Jewish Nazi. This is not someone who

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Speaker 1: speaks favorably and who was Robert Srivers, Robert Srivers is

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Speaker 1: an American evolutionary biologist and sociobiologist. Trivers proposed the theories

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Speaker 1: of reciprocal altruism, parental investment, faculty of sex, ratio determination,

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Speaker 1: I would really want to be studying kids and obviously

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Speaker 1: talking with Jeffrey Epstein. Five kids educated at Harvard, works

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Speaker 1: at Rutgers. Wikipedia says though his work has been highly successful,

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Speaker 1: he has been a source of controversy some of Triver's

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Speaker 1: where some of Triver's work was funded by Epstein, and

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Speaker 1: Trivers later defended the convicted pedophile's reputation. In twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 1: he was sacked from Rutgers following a separate dispute forty dollars.

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Speaker 1: He made remarks indicating his support for Epstein even after

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Speaker 1: He was suspended from Rutgers in twenty fifteen with pay

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Speaker 1: as part of an ongoing dispute regarding a class on

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Speaker 1: human aggression. I mean, good lord, I mean this is

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Speaker 1: it just again. You have to suss these things out.

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Speaker 1: They want you to be confused. That's the whole goal here. Now,

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Speaker 1: when we come back, I'm going to go start peeling

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Speaker 1: back the word salad of Tim Waltz as I promised yesterday,

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Speaker 1: And we're going to talk about more that we're learning about.

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Speaker 1: What's going on with the Somali refugees. Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: it is great. Oh and the Wisconsin Democrats they just

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Speaker 1: love those Somali refugees that are there, that are in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: So stay tuned for that. I am Andrew Langer. This

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Speaker 1: is Tony Katz today